Okay 641 I'd like to call up this work session to order we already have Done the pledge allegiance to the moment silence Mr. Hottie this Christianowski here Mr. List Gavitch here This McDermott here Mr. Perry here Mr. Savitino here miss Smith here Miss Stevenson here Mr. Thor here Mr. Love is here Mr. L Smith. Here. Mr. Davidson. Here. Mr. Thorke. Here. Mr. Lombardo. Here. All present. All right. Thank you. Any additions and deletions from the work section? Jennifer. There are motions to approve the agenda. Summable it. Second. All right. Motion in second. All in favor. I. All right. Opposed? All right. The agenda is adopted. No, we have receiving discussed the division report. Prefeated on your rate of 2020-24. Good evening, Council. I want to start out by saying that we had our first town hall meeting. And I want to thank all the council members that attended. It was a nannickope and I want to thank the city of of Nanocoque for hosting our first ten hall meeting. The next ten hall meeting will be in Hazleton, on May 6th at the Hazleton Interpretation Project, and I hope everyone attends. Just to highlight, some of the things that are going on with your staff, our IT department not only works on putting in these new microphones into this room, but they are an integral part of the new world integration project. The H&N they set up all the computers and software that's necessary for our offices in Hazelton. They are also giving all the software and the data networking for our 44 air reserve building. And they are also working on the ARC funded network infrastructure all at once and I want to thank them for all the work that they do. I want to thank the Married Thunder next meeting for her budget and finance report, but we're still working on getting the highest interest rates available. And as a February interest income earned, was $479,929.31. Of that, $300,541.98, was our ARPA interest. I also want to give kudos to our sheriff's department. During the last month, they received and served 123 PFA petitions. They did 279 total prisoner transport. They did 203 warrants or issue, 231 warrants were cleared. They processed 559 gun permits. They received and served 477 civil documents. They closed 383 civil cases and the person's through designated security checkpoints were 22,940. They do the and I might thank them as well. This is, must be one night, I just want to note that we have 50 people time telecommunication telecommunications with nine vacancies and today we receive that R911 was chosen to be featured in a training video that will be shown to educators across Pennsylvania. So kudos to them as well. And of course, are there any questions about this report or anything else? Please reach out to me, reach out to our vision heads, and we'll get you the information. And I'd like to thank Council Member Centino and Stevenson. They did chore of 911. And I encourage everyone. If you have an opportunity to get over to 911, it's really impressive. And occasionally they have really the food up there. So thank you. Any questions? All right, thank you. And your welcome. Number two, discussion regarding the resolution providing for taxes and exemption for construction and deteriorating areas under the local economic and vitalization tax assistance act for his clean logistics. Thank you Mr. Chair, we're receiving your remarks from the Mr. Chair, we're receiving Council of Kevin Lee, with the folks in other welfare and Medicaid in the city. Here in tonight, we have a flint of amendments and their project specifically and you for this development, which is Hazelton and just big 7-0-C. First of all, thank you all for having us with the Board to get in front of you all for some time now and are here to check the box if you will of having the closing of our encounter or view board. I have the opportunity to look at this and discuss the project and answer any questions you may have. I apologize in advance as I'm going to jump around a little bit only in the PowerPoint here. I'm going to believe you all have a copy as it did. It looks like what we do have extras if anyone needs those. So moving forward, I'll start on slide seven. I believe you're correct, yeah. Flint is a real estate development firm based on a case city, a fairly young company that was formed in early 2020, right in the midst of COVID. I'll be it by two founding partners with substantial experience 50-plus years combined between the two working for a number of levels that are going to be excited to get together and start points and really just based on the thesis of capitalizing on the head of the market command in the second industrial space. So since that time, we've really run fast and hard across the country. We're in 17 markets now with, believe, just under 12 million square feet completed. Another approximately, 4 million feet under construction. In total, estimated value is made of what's under construction and in the pipeline, just more of a $ a half billion dollars. They have, as courtless efforts identified in this site, which is approximately 65 acres of former Mind Start land, in Higley Township right up around 924, out the northwest corner of 924 in Chesa Hill Drive, and it started, that was back in, that would be in late 2021, and started to be diligence and it's out of the process back then, kind of been working diligently on all of that for some time, and close on the site, Q2 of 2022. Flint also has experience in the student Fridays of the Wolfpack familyorspace but really specialized. So this is a vicinity map of the project site, as I was mentioned, around 65, 56 acres up around 924. The project that we're looking at is approximately 800,000 square feet of class A industrial and that's between two different buildings. One just under 600,000 square feet in the other north of 200,000. Truly class A, what you think of when you hear that point really takes a lot of pride in what the product looks like. And these are one of their competitive advantages. And you know what happened is seeking tenants to occupy these. So being as it is with proceeding with speculative development and meeting where construction occurs before, leases are in place with tenants, that's important. Equally important is the bottom line of what the tenants really looking at, probably the single biggest factor is going to take us into that as this taxes. that structure, tenants pay 100% in taxes and thus realize 100% of any savings or exemption that's that's great. So it's really about being competitive and making sure that we have a successful project with the other competitive developments in this area of region. I believe that the requested version of the federal schedule is the same schedule that was recently considered approved by the scouts on two other projects, one by the point one by JBI. So it's a 90% exemption for the first seven years and then to sitting scale at the rate of 10% per year thereafter. So there's with that 10% for that first seven year period, there's a significant increase projected to all taxing jurisdictions and included county So this is a summary sheet here Based on those projections so we went and pulled cops for comparable projects around the area and came up with what we think. These are likely to go into tax rolls at, at completion, and that's our right. These numbers, so the pre-apposition, pre-development, taxes to all jurisdictions were in the side of 20,000, of which the county share was around 6,000. We project that that goes up to more like 30 or 40,000 even the first year of the alert exemption and then we'll we'll remit inflation thereafter and really start kicking off real dollars as that schedule starts to go down with 340,000 projected after the alert term expires and ultimately coming up with right at 4 million of tax revenue to the county over a 20 year period after the learned. As I said today, so as I was mentioning, we had been working on this project for quite some time and are now at the point where we've completely diligence security entitlements and broke grab recently and are out there going away. And so we have the Township and School District Laura Provels, the latter, it is tied to the outcome of the county's action. And so we really do this as the final piece of the puzzle to really continue to bolster the head, more key efforts, construction efforts, construction efforts combined and have a really successful project. So with that, I should mention, and for you to have also Jim Trigg, one of the directors of the development for the point here with me, and I'm happy to say a very good question, Jim. Guns, what's the action? So my question is, as anybody looked at the approaches for RUD81 currently, so when this opens, because I travel at quarter every day, at six o'clock in the morning, I ran just back out on 81 now. What's going to happen when that space opens the provisions to accommodate more traffic? So we did complete traffic studies, part of the approval process, and then we completed some improvements to connect to that. Our project and how that any medical impacts to anyone that are in the turbulence there, they're more local and in and around our site, but we did not have any significant concerns of the raises for that traffic study for impacts from all project and project traffic. I got to say that's hard to believe because that's hard to believe because seeing that every day, there are probably on 81, I know for a fact, they seem every day, and they're probably half a mile on the LA. So they can even get up the ramp probably for a good 10 minutes at that red light. Shooting about the condition of the road as opposed to the level of traffic or both. So it's a short ramp. Come up to that red light to make a left or go to your property or the bridge. And traffic's already backing out on to your property over the bridge. And traffic is already backing out on A1 in the morning. So with this, I'd have to believe there's going to be some kind of improvements to happening. And I'm in favor of this just so you know, but I see that every morning, we'd have traffic that's pushed out into the highway that far. It's a valid point and what I would say is that we did study it and so based on the traffic impact, we're doing improvements that were recommended to these states that there are significant issues and we are contributing to that. I think we're always going to come to table and work with the authorities to figure that out, but at this time we're not anticipating huge impact from our project. And we have that traffic study that we can make available for everybody to look at. That's what I was just going to ask you before. But I think we'll see that. Yeah, that's not wrong. Mr. Taurin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. I have several questions and then just off the top I'd like to say I'm generally in favor of these learners because I've a big picture down the road and to put nothing on this site would produce hardly any taxes for the county golf forward. So to put something there, year one we still greatly improve or increase tax revenue in counties day and then the school district in the book in this time. So generally in favor of these especially ten years down the road where it evolves into millions of dollars of taxes for the county. So but having said that you know we the last couple of years this council has issued several learners to different developers as you mentioned plus there was some other numerical operation locally. The big one, he's actually the largest tax payer to Lutheran County in the county. The same questions keep coming up from the public. So I'm going to take the liberty to ask them now. We have to the public. One is, I'm sure you probably consider these and maybe I already have clearances. Any environmental concerns on that land? No, no, sorry. So DEP already cleared everything and permits them in the secure from DEP? Yes. Okay. What types of jobs and tenants would you people be looking for? Like, low grade warehouse jobs, lower pay, where are you looking for to type a tenant stat, produce technical jobs, like we have one big large warehouse, one of the developments is all medical technical jobs, the hundred, seven of them in one building. know, what type of ten you're looking for, what type of jobs. So I'll let Jim give a little more context. Given that it is back, we don't know exactly who the end users will ultimately be. We designed the building with what's the building and my, so the combination of wide range of that. Generally what we see is that all average it appears wildly obviously by jurisdiction of project but that if we end up with a job count somewhere in the range of it will come one for 20,800 square feet for example and so our initial projections were around 350 jobs full-time employees and I'll be sitting at the temporary construction jobs from that as well. Yeah, I'm looking at coding the 10-and-side. So yeah, I mean, typically it is going to be, we'll be approached by brokers with 10-and-stitch onto us and see there are RPs and press vocals. Typically, it can be some sort of, we're housing type work. Yeah, so you guys have a building right next to us, which is Niagara's bottom facility. We are working with them with one of our facilities currently. It will be a storage type facility that will accommodate our current facility. That's for the larger building. It will currently work in through that with. But yes, I mean, it will really depend on what's provided to us with what that might not mean. But you've seen some of our, I believe we showed in our packet, there are several of our tenants that currently have purchased or released building because I'm in there, there's such, I'm a motor, Niagara is listed in there, I believe. Is it on? I saw this in the morning. Sorry, it's out of tune. It's about point. Okay, all right. So obviously, you didn't build the structure yet, correct? We are under construction on the first building. OK, so the design is already made completely correct. Yes, sir. So you know how many, I'm wondering how many truck base there will be, is there 20, 15, 100? That would be an indication to me of what kind of truck traffic is expected, because I'm in a ductile, Mr. Los Gagges concerns, which are always concerns of the local people who have to live in the area there. Yet, and I did the plans that you've had designed on the truck base that will be. I don't have the exact numbers off the top of my head, but I do know that the Niagara building that we're currently working on, it has 20 active positions. It does have other docs equipped. Or that the smaller structure. No, that's actually the larger. The larger, six other, the output's quick. Yeah, okay. And we'll get you that answer. Yeah, we can get you the exact. Yeah, we can get you the exact. Yeah, we can get you the exact. Yeah, we can get you the exact. Yeah, we can get of the council. And the last thing, I think the original one had a hundred and twenty originally. That's probably the original one. We can get exactly the same. Okay, thank you. The last person I have is we at the county here continuously run into the same issues and many years before I came here, I'm just body. For somehow, the county ends up having to take care of all of the roads in these developments, in these corporate parts. And because of the heavy truck traffic, the roads don't last very long at all. And in some of the developments, we have a notice amount of littering from the truckers a lot of the roadways. And it costs this county here, notice amount of money to maintain a heavy duty road for heavy duty trucks. Is there any plans now with your group to maintain the roads or is that something the county is just going to have to take care of for years to come? So I couldn't quote the exact requirements on my head that we do have a recorded research of covenant essentially or in some declarations I'm document with the township as well as with Can do, we have direct agreements in place and so I think I would say it's a hybrid it's not the latter that it's entirely into county, it's not the latter, but it's entirely under county. When it's also not entirely under the bill, or I think it will be a coin to that, or ask those roads where down, obviously it's an R-interest and our users interest that the site you maintain, and the infrastructure around you maintain. If you could forward any confidence you have in place, I'm ready, I'm going to see you. You should have me great. Because it's always a very costly venture for the county. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Heather. We have to have the engine roads in that area. Okay. Thank you. And I would like to see the countertops. Yeah. Thank you. Good. Hi. Vice Chair asked you some questions. And the second question question you didn't really seem to get at the heart of. He asked you what kind of employers and what kind of jobs you generally bring in. What kind of quality you didn't ask for a number, you gave a number. Can you speak to the quality of jobs that you bring in? Are they just general warehouse jobs? Are they medical professional jobs generally? We know you're not a wizard. But if you could at least give us an idea. Sure. So it's, I mean, it's just difficult to say when it's back, you know, no yet. I would say it's not, you know, our typical product is not going to be entirely that will technical users would lose or maintain that but if it's any wine or wine, what's that? That's just one example. Right. There will be warehouse employees, I would imagine, for most stores and distribution type users. What we find is that between your kind of standard warehouse workers and supervisors, we typically see around about a thousand annual average wage combined across these facilities nationwide. And then again, that varies greatly by location and specific user project, but as a general more bomb that's kind of what we're looking to in terms of, is that responsive to your question in terms of wages or, yeah, I mean it hits and I would have to send another exploit just for the hard to say until we know. So it's going to be the larger facility we can speak to that will be a truly warehouse work. Since it is Niagara and it has an facility next door. The other one to Kevin's point, we won't know who that is until we're approached by some such a fire. Mr. Hoss, hey, gentlemen, welcome to the Northeast, welcome to Wohl's Fair here. I've been to Kansas before, it's like the land of Sunflowers, and there's been lots of Sunflowers trying to out there. We are the land of warehouses out here in the Northeast. And I look at these projects, and I have a couple issues here, because obviously we're all about development. We just want to come with tip here to the laws of economic supply and demand. And what we have here, we have a lot of these KOs, these programs, these October zone, these learned programs, and they give away a lot of tax revenue. And it's just like John said, you know, about the wizardry. You know, it's the gun, nothing's for sure. That being said, you know, I'm looking at the Google Earth here and the Humboldt is now the site, it's bigger than the footwear screen of my Hazelton City. It's a giant massive development there. My colleague talked about the traffic that we see coming out there in the morning. I think we're proto-dome. We want to make sure we're developing smartly and there's need for it. You said there is a heavy market demand up here. Your firm is going to invest $75 million into the county. And I'm just going to scratch my helmet here because there's such a giant demand. Why do we need to give a tax rate for this? And I'm asking this to the physicians. I know why. It's for the clients coming in and taking this property and putting it on the ground. I get that. The thing is, when we look back and you reference this, this is the same sketch that you see at Council. It's on page after all, having page after all. It's on page three. First year is 90% for the first seven years, 90% and then if it slightly scales down to a six percent year pen. I was here when North Point agreed to this. And for those kinds of men who weren't here, to remember North Bay wanted to have a alerta, but it was only in the eight in the last three years. They wanted no agreement for the first seven. And I said, can you meet us a little bit half way here? And they said, OK. And they came up with this schedule. And some people may not remember this. It was North Point, that's where this came from. I'm hopefully not asking you, if you really want to partner with this, can you please adjust the scale for our next week? How I would recommend, I just suggest, I hope the council could entertain this, could you help more of a true incremental program than this? Because this is very lopsided. And just because council's cast and reason the past doesn't make it right or doesn't make it fair And this is we're at the heart of trade here in the Northeast This is the gateway to the wing one. It's the gateway to all points out on 81 or two hours from failing to ours from New York This is the place to be I really will be waiting anywhere to what's so because If you remember the old movie build it they will come they're here and you can see it on the ground so If you remember the old movie, they will come, they're here. And you can see it on the ground. So I don't mean to be theatrical here, but could you offer us anything that could make this a little more palatable for us? So my response would be that to your point, because this was approved for the North Point Adozers, if we vary from the schedule at all, we're putting ourselves in a direct competitive disadvantage against those projects and tracking users. And so as part of our underwriting, we actually, rightfully or rompfully initially as part of our underwriting, we're planning on hoping for a slightly improved schedule from this. So we have to go back to open under this, because the honest answer, but just, my god, is that that's a really, really tough call for us to make, given that we know that these other projects just got approved for. And that's so great being working. We're having these discussions with potential users and they're looking at the bottom line idea that they know we know. But pay a less taxes here and I can pay you your side. You go on the one where I pay the last round. No, I understand. And so to your argument, Mark, I'm just the exact same argument with the previous schedule. And it's just nature of an negotiation. I don't think I'm support this at all like this, just because the demand, the market demand is there. And people out there in the public are struggling. I have a person from their saying, where's my learned? Where's my criminal increase? Where I get taxed, decreased. And when I'm really having them out, I get the long term provisions. That makes total sense. But again, the supply demand is there. And we're tipping the scales a little bit extra supply that is necessary. So Council that would be considered that. It may be still there I think that you know it's not raining but the best most desirable users that you guys won't be more in time to share points. The demand has from the time we initially put this presentation together and submitted it the demand has gone down a little bit initially put this presentation together and submitted it, the demand has gone down a little bit. It's a tougher market up there for a number of reasons that we've all seen and experienced our everyday lives. I think totally get your point and agree with it that there's absolutely constant struggle and downing of a public perception of what incentives are, and they can try to be in-spoin that. And I think that the important part here is the sort of the long term that you mentioned. If it was a 10-year 100% of exemptions, that's obviously a different story. You're really investing. All the tax revenue for the next 10 years for a long long term benefit with this request because of that tier that starts at 90. There's substantial benefit day one, the whole tax number of decisions to, you know, 2345 tax. And so I think that with the request as this, I think there's still substantial benefit to be realized here. And so we would ask you to reconsider. I'm going to, of course, to be interested in making that other more. I put to Mr. Chair to set the council, especially new members, that the different taxing bodies, we don't have to have a uniform one being where we've done that before as well, that the school district and the openness valley have all sidebarium levels of that, so we've seen that many times as well. Just to encourage those to all. Thank you. Any other questions? Any comments? All right. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. All right. We'll open the public comment. Mr. Rainbow. How do you all first person are grateful people? First of all, to the gentleman's point about the order that is listed on history and Mr. O'Skabitch, who don't see you for bringing up the traffic. I drive that everyday as well. Let me tell you something, that traffic, especially with the six warehouses coming. As I said, when St. Mary Collins here with the Lurban, that traffic is, they're going to need to expand one lane in each direction. They have to. There's no other way. Also, what about the turns? You know, the turns, just for a scale, so I was going to talk about, you know, the truck turns, the wide turns, you're going to have to widen those, you know, on the left lane and the right lane, because you're going to have problems, especially on those, you know, those four-way intersections, just like they do with the, the main humble track, you know is just like they do with the main humble track. On the candy expressway, it's your 17th party, and those are talking about Mr. Perry. And it's your scavenge. So I think that needs to be addressed. Also, one point that hasn't been brought up, the housing. What's going to happen with the housing? Because as my good friend over there was to Perry, there's the Hites Terrace. Now as we speak, the Hazelton Council is voting on rezoning the terrorist section and accommodating mixed use properties to be developed, cow homes and affordable homes there. So my question would be, and your question should be to all these developers, how's this going to happen if you don't have the housing to accommodate for these commercial warehouses that are being developed? If there's not enough, you realize what's gonna happen? You're gonna have the same situation that would have high counties now. They're chasing behind the equal and they're desperate. Why do you think they reconstituted their county redevelopment authority? Which by the way, thank you Madam Manager for your answer to the question and Maddoca Tom Hall being about the Blake Committee. Mr. Thornton, though, needs to understand something. The land bank is only for tax-delinquent properties. The Blighted Committee takes care of all other blighted issues. Mr. Voss can attest to that. Madam Manager can attest to that. We were working on this for a year and a half for the Blighted Committee. So, I'm sure Mr. Chair, you can ask the bits and there. If he hadn't given up one or the other, I'm sure he would tell you he wouldn't give up any of those because they're both needed. Thank you very much.