that because Good afternoon today is Monday April 21st. I hope everyone enjoyed a good closing weekend at snowmass and at Aspen and Maybe it's still winter because it looks like more snow might be coming in But nevertheless we, we are here. Megan, do you wanna go ahead and do the roll call? Roll call April 21st, 402 PM. Council member Fredstein. Here. Council member Gustison. Here. Council member Meroll. Here. Council member Dan Jolo. Here. And Mayor Shank. Here. Thank you. Thank you. First item on the agenda is going to be public comment. So this is comment on any non-agenda item. And I know we have one person maybe that's here to make public comments. So you can come up here. You have to come up to a microphone. Make sure you're speaking into it so that the cameras can pick you up. when you have to say your name and where you live, and then tell us your comment. So you can have a seat. Yeah, come sit. It's on, yes. Press it and make sure the green light button is on. Yeah. Okay. And make sure it gets you, yeah, catches your voice. Go ahead. Hi, my name is Harry Spittler. I live in Snowmass Village and I'm an eighth grader who attends Aspen Middle School. I've been working on a community service project for my school and I am focusing it on Snowmass Village pedestrian road safety. And I was wondering if there are any plans in 2025 specifically to address pedestrian safety. And if so, can you please elaborate on those plans? I'm raising this because me and my friends have had some close calls on crossings in Snowmass Village. Can you specifically tell us what, like an example of which crossings? So I've had some near hits on the Brush Creek Road and Farway Road intersection. I live up on Farway Road and there have been many cars who just blow through the crossing while people are on it. I have seen this. I've experienced this. So that's one of the main concerns that I've seen slash had. Right. Well, we are there are always improvements going on. I think the flashers going in at Meadow and Brush Creek this summer. So one of the flashing crosswalks and Meadow and and then we are talking about the roundabout. We just had at our meeting last week. We got an update on the roundabout so they'll continue to be updates next Monday. We're having a council of coffee where we're going to be talking about the roundabout amongst other things. I know you'll be at school, but they'll be well hopefully you'll be at school. But they'll be opportunity for community to to comment on that so even if you can't come to that you know you and your friends if you have specifics about the round the new round about potentially that might go in at brush creek and owl creek we'd love to hear your feedback. Any else? Yeah if you can't be there you could email us or you know. Because those are online. Yes, Clint. Okay. Yes. The roundabout. Yes. So the roundabout drawings and like what's proposed there are online. What else? Anything else? I'm missing. I would say Harry that thank you. That's so helpful. I fact, just took a walk with a resident today around and identified a number of safety locations that could be improved on. And I think it would be a worthy topic for us to build into the agenda and more than just the roundabout, but to look at the various safety issues throughout our walkways and make sure that bikers and walkers can get across the road safely at any intersection. 100%. All right. Can I ask what the timeline of your project is? Yes. So my project is due on May 2nd, so Friday week. And I have been gathering information from people who have also experienced or seen these close calls such as school bus drivers along with town officials like Brian Olson the police chief and I actually also interviewed Miss Shank about the issues last Friday. We'd also love to see your completed project. Absolutely. It's really interesting. Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah, I, if there's a certain person, I should email it to or we also, if this is helpful, our exhibition for community projects to see all of the projects is on June 3rd. So you can see all of the projects including mine and how like it was developed through the process and it's timeline. Great. Is there anything else we could do to help you with your project? I'd say that overall the town officials, all of them, all of you have been really helpful in my project and I really appreciate all the work you guys have done. Do you feel like the flashing crosswalks are helpful? The flashing crosswalks are very helpful. They definitely help when the crosswalks, especially in winter, are faded by snow on the roads or just by the weather, the weathering of them. And they can also help alert drivers. If, for example, there's a small child on the crosswalk who isn't visible over the hood of the car. No. Yes. No. I mean, really important. Yes, we're always we're always looking for ways to improve the you know crossings and other pedestrians for bikers for people jogging like on Highline Road, those the lineators that go up, they'll wonder those go back up probably soon. After soon. Yeah, So that's always great, But here we'd love to see your project and we are happy to provide you with any other information that you might need and it's great that you took this up. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for coming. Any other public comment on a non agenda item. Okay. We will now move into the consent agenda. And today's consent agenda we have agenda overview. We have ordnance six, which is the 2024 financial year end review. The ordnance seven, which is COP financing and ordnance eight, which is electrical permit fees. The only one that we the first one we're seeing for the first time is the electrical permit fees. In the other two, we did see at our earlier meeting in April. So any comments, questions on any of those? Well, I have something on the agenda. Go ahead. I feel like a broken record, because the last time we met, I asked that we get a meeting on the agenda to talk on next steps through the transit center. I mean, pick the date. Okay. Well, we have nothing on the work session. We either do it May 5th or the work session May 12th. But we have nothing, there is an update for Anderson Ranch on the procession. So when we do it then. Yeah, there was nothing we might cancel the meeting. But so work session May 12th May 12th. Okay., all right be good to have before the EOTC meeting to what's it? It'll be helpful to have that before the EOTC meeting yeah, yeah any other Agenda items that anyone wants to add I would like to and I'm not sure if this needs to fall into one category, but I would love to have a presentation on some of the different mechanisms that we can look at around like short term rentals. looking at like a vacancy tax, like all the different sort of mechanisms that we have to examine affordability in the village and the parts of the village that are zoned for family housing that are sitting empty and just you know what that means for our village and what it means for affordability and what what it means for your own residents being able to live in those neighborhoods. So I apologize for the somewhat vague ask. I think there's a lot of pieces that can be included in that, but I would like to start that conversation just to understand what mechanisms we have available and what the pros and cons of all of them are as well. I'll say the same thing. Pick the date. Tell me. Oh, um, I'm so sorry. I don't know where to look at the count. Oh, going to the just into the agenda overview. Yep. And it has all the dates for the future meeting. About June 9th is a work session with nothing. Great. June 9th work. Yeah, that here. That's great. That's perfect. I will be here. That's the meeting. And it's just, it's just the summarized tools for tools to maintain affordability in market and market housing. Free market housing. And free, and yes, in free market housing. I think that this can bleed into the topic that we were talking about where potentially we can also look at some non traditional ways of acquiring and creating affordable or deed restricted units. But I think this conversation has to be had somewhat separately. that. And I think many of these tools have been utilized by other towns. And so I just think looking at them holistically and maybe what's worked and what's not worked would be helpful. And just to clarify, you had mentioned regulation of short-term rentals. That's probably a whole work session topic in itself of different ways to regulate short-term rentals and tools. And then if that is kind of underneath the larger topic of affordability restrictions for it could get kind of broad. But I mean, I guess I'm just trying to think of, if we want to be more focused or broad. Yeah, I would suggest, in some of us spend about a year and a half on short terminals, it's a big subject, and it's a good one to start to look at again. Maybe we just start with short terminals for that first meeting and see where that goes. Because that is certainly something that's tangible. We've got regulations placed. We always said we're going to sort of see what was going on and they come back and visit it again. So maybe I would recommend starting with the short term rentals. Yeah, maybe we just get an update because I don't remember the last time we had an update on the number of people that have applied for the shirt and rental permits and how it's going and what we're seeing in terms of any violations or things like that. We can certainly give you that. We can certainly talk about the cast effort with vacancy tax and I mean, I'm looking at that. We're aware of 10 other opportunities we can touch on and you ask, We you the 101 and you guys can tell us where do you want to go to 201? Well, it sounds like Tom, what you were asking for is like a bit of a larger session on short terms. And I'm asking for that plot, but I also just want to hear sort of like the problem. With the the broad one. OK, yeah, I mean, start with the broad. Yeah, just what are the 10 different things we could be looking at? The survey class. Yeah, right. Yeah, the survey class. 101. Yeah, exactly. That's what we can talk about next. Pone in on which ones we want to really. Yeah, exactly. and probably roll some out really quickly too. Yeah. And Megan, I will not be here on June 9th, and I'll be in Europe so I can do remotely. Any other agenda items? I like to ask. So Clint, when we are getting ready for the spring repainting of crosswalks and roadway, What time frame does that usually take place within? I don't know. Is it May? No, it's all summer. Oh, it's all summer. Okay, it's ongoing. So I think, you know, to our public comments from Harry and also just a walk I had this morning, I think it would be a nice agenda item to get on here in the spring to look at safety across intersections for walkability and bike ability and, you know, general pedestrian safety. I'd like to put that on as soon as possible in the spring. It perhaps would be like a, I guess I don't understand the topic like, what would it be? You know, just making sure that if there are any cross sections, you know, we identified the meadow road as needing something, something I think that I walked around today and, you know, highlighted a handful of additional locations that maybe could use a little bit of extra safety measures put in place. And if you want to give them to me, there are rules we have to follow when we put things down. So I can do it. Yes, I'm happy to do it in the meeting, tell me what meeting you want. But we don't, we have to follow, I don't want to be all nerdy, but manual for uniform traffic control devices when you put the stuff down and so if you guys have my ideas Let me know and you can start getting that I don't so like to put it on the agenda that way it gives public comment Opportunity to come in and talk on the topics so How do we feel about working it in also on that work session? And but do you feel like that can include the topic of a few places it's pretty low hanging fruit, but, but places in the village that don't have the connectivity that is relatively easy connectivity. It's not like building a new like sidewalk it's more just like a path that's been blocked or a path that maybe needs to be better carved out or whatever. That's the kind of small things I'm talking about. And you know, I thought about should we put it on the May 5th with connecting the nodes? Yeah. I think just probably good. Because we'll have the right people in the room to answer the questions. I think May 5th is better also because May 12th talking about Cessli's topic. or that's June 9th, May the Transit Center. I think it fits better with connecting the notes because a lot of that was- Hopefully it can be fairly concise and will come with a list and open it to public comment if anyone has identified additional locations. Love to hear from them in the meantime. So you could come back then. Even though your project time will be over, you could still come back. We'd love to have you. And it's after school. Yeah. Okay. Any other additional gem items? Okay, any comments on ordinance six? I just had one question, Clint. and had to do with the money for the Highway 82 Coalition Group. Do we, is there sort of a, is there any document or explanation of exactly what the funds are being used for? There's a one paragraph letter, I think. No, the short answer is not really any detail no. Okay because in talking with picking county you know they're asking they're being a little more specific about this coalition and I think they're going to opt to put staff on it versus members of their board but the bigger thing is is they want to ask them for a presentation to understand what the money is going towards. If you guys approve this ordinance tonight and the dollar is available, and if you'd like to get more detailed presentation, we can certainly do that. But this gets the opportunity to cut the check. If you're saying you'd like a more detailed presentation before the check is cut, we can certainly set that up. This gives us the authority to cut a check. We're not trying to cut the check yet. That's right. Yes. And I think if Picking County has then come in and do an explanation, like I'm fine to listen in to what happens there. Like I don't need a specific presentation from them, but that was one of the questions that came up when I was talking with one of the commissioners. So the next sentence after that is a 71,000, expand the commissioners. So. And the next sentence after that is a 71,000 to expand the zero missions plan for non-transit town fleet. Did we discuss that? We've talked about it in generalities. We talked about it here. Yes. Well, in the 2024 budget, 2025 budget, we talked about it in 2024, when it doubts in 2025 budget budget. We've had the grant opportunity to do the transit vehicles all this time. That's been in the budget. When we put the project out the bid, we got a really great number to do it to do the whole fleet. And so when we... I mean, could I say any explanation here for that so the what we've got what the what is budget right now is an opportunity to study exactly how do we transit or transition our transit fleet to electric vehicles. That was approved in 2025 budget during that discussion we said we might we're going to add an odd and add alternate to the bid to say hey if you get a chance to do all the fleet we should look at that as well. We put that out. We got the $71,000 on a number to do that. And we think it's a good idea, good opportunity to take advantage of it now when we have one contractor on it. If what are they going to be doing? They're going to help us understand what level mechanics we need, where the charging stations need to be, what the order of transition would be. It's going to start with transit because that was the original part of the whole thing. But then once we already have, I'll make up a number of four charging stations, how do you transition to snow plows? And if snow plows need to operate 12 hours consistent, does that piece of equipment even exist yet? Or do you need to wait till the battery can do whatever? can help us understand when can we transition to electricity for different kinds of vehicles. Whether it's a snow plow, whether it's a backhoe. battery can do whatever. It's gonna help us understand when can we transition to electricity for different kinds of vehicles, whether it's a snow plow, whether it's a backhoe, whether it's a police vehicle, or just a cruise around town like we use here at Town Hall. But it helps us make that transition happen. So, do you think 71,000 is a good number for that? I don't, we can't do without it. We, I mean, we, we're, our biggest trend, our biggest improvement is this year when we're buying the hybrid vehicles for the cop cars. And we know that we can't do without it. We we're we're our biggest trend our biggest improvement is this year when we're buying the hybrid vehicles for the cop cars and We know that we can do that because we got them in canics in place, but Making that next leap. We spend a million bucks here on vehicles They're about I think $71,000 helping us make sure that transition helps is right. yes. Okay. Okay. Any other questions on that one? Okay. Any questions on ordinate seven, which was the 2025 COP financing? That is the second reading on that one. I just wondered if there was any updates on the funding, the bond market or anything like that. I mean, no, we know we're going to wait. The first is the paperwork. Why did we call it the on documents? There's a better burden documents. We'll be prepared on the first. We'll be planning to go to market on the eighth, seventh, eighth, and then hopefully issue on the 15th. They're about. I know when we were in our last meeting with our underwriters, it was right when Trump did made a statement that put the bond market in a tizzy and there was like a 30 basis point, they couldn't even sell that day. And so they had to reevaluate. So if everything stays steady, they're feeling good about that timeline by being able to have the it funds. You repeat that if statement again. There was there was a state. Yes. Made by our president that put the bond market in a tizzy and and it's a fact. And so here we are. Oh, you said if everything is true, that's right. I was trying to be optimistic. Yeah. But we there is no obligation first to go to market, but it's not to our benefit. Okay. And so we will monitor that, but we hope to have those funds by the middle of May so we can close on the property. The operator also did say they've they have been closing deals since that initial period of uncertainty. That's good to hear. Any other questions on Ordinance Emin? Okay, and then Ordinance was first reading and I know Sarah and Mike are both here. I didn't know if anybody has any questions on that. It's essentially clean up. It seemed pretty self explanatory, but just in case. We'd love to hear from Sarah Mike, but I don't think it's. Okay, and I know we have to take a roll call vote, Megan phrase. Okay.. We need a motion. Right, okay. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? I move the we approve the consent agenda. Can I get a second? I second. Okay. Roll call vote. How's the member for the steam? Aye. Council member Gustasen? Aye. Question. Council member Moralt. Aye. Councilmember Danjola. Aye. And Mayor Schenk. Aye. Thank you. Thank you, guys. All right. Moving right along, we are now going to move to administrative reports. And the first item is going to be the draw site update. And we have all of our friends. We face this back here and welcome back to Connect One. Yes, I have here in the room with me, Molly Soms and Sarah Ty from Connect One and then the whole rest of the team is virtual, Erica would have been here, but she's got some surgery scheduled for tomorrow. So she's gonna be, I don't, looks like her connection isn't great. So Sarah is gonna run the slides for her, but hopefully we'll be able to hear her okay. And she looks good, a little fuzzy there, but so we're back. Again, the last time we spoke was on April 7th, and we received a lot of good feedback at that meeting on the architectural and design and I think we mentioned at that meeting that we would be back with the landscape design at this meeting. So we have a presentation that includes a lot of detail on the landscape design and then a presentation that also includes some adjustments. Some adjustments that have been made to the architectural design and I'm not sure how exactly it's all going to be presented in what order, but I think. I'll just maybe it's best to just turn it over to the experts and let them walk you through it. And before Sarah jumps in, I just wanted to kind of go to the recommendation for just a quick minute and knowing what the recommendation at this point after the presentation, assuming the council is comfortable, is to go ahead and submit this project for preliminary plan approval or consideration. Once if that motion would be made tonight and you were to submit for it, what would happen essentially is this team would put together an application, it takes about a month, then the planning department gets that application, considers a complete, the once that complete, what's called a completeness review, once the completeness review is done, it goes to review agencies for their reviews, that's water and sewer, that's all the town departments, that's the fire district, that's everybody. They, all those comments are gathered together, that generally takes at least six weeks, and then sometime after that, the planning commission that sets its public hearing sessions to go forward from there, the planning commission would have its series of public hearings. I've never seen it happen with less than two, so I would imagine this would be at least three, maybe more public hearings on the project. The planning commission then makes its recommendation to the council. The council's hearings generally start six weeks after that recommendation is made and then the council would have its series of public meetings and it's because it's an ordinance or this wouldn't even be the ordinance, right? But because it's a preliminary, again, I don't, the council's never done it faster than two so I'd assume it would be at least three more public hearings. So if there is some agreement to go forward with this tonight, I'm comfortable saying there would be at least six more public hearings on the project after tonight to get all the feedback and whatnot. Let me if that all passes at some point then, then Betsy and her team at this point then would come back and then put the final documents together and the council within it would get one more chance to review the final documents. That final review is, I don't know, it's, which the word I'm looking for. It's very specific. It's very technical. 99% of that is done upstairs as the community development department and the engineering department. You guys get to look at it for sure, but it's a very specific technical review that it's not really seen by the council, all the detail behind it because it's civil plans and whatnot. But the preliminary plan does give a lot of opportunity for a lot of feedback through the whole thing. And so the point in the staff recommendations, if we start tonight, it's just starting. It's not, it's just getting the ball rolling. All right. So I have a procedural question for it because this awkward situation we're wearing two hats. I'm very pleased where the project is. A few things we'll talk about, but I am very concerned as an owner about the cost, particularly in the construction environment we think we're going to be going into. Another one of these, just if everything's to be stable. What happens if we go, as you say, through planning, preliminary, council preliminary. You're saying it's going to be eight months until we have a cost real hard cost right. Sure. Yes, I think that's fair. Whatever comes back and we're way over budget point where we really can't It's not feasible to go ahead with the project as it is then we don't But then I say we say well, well, well, so this, we'll modify that, we'll save some money here and there. We have to start all over again and sketch, preliminary. I mean, this is the two-hats situation. Usually when your owner comes in, they've done their cost, and they say, this is what we want to build. I think mostly think mostly when developers come in, they have it. They keep it pretty open, and that's why they keep it as general as possible. To add vantage or disadvantage of the council being the owners, you have more detail and you're committing to more detail than the typical developer would. To answer your question, we'll get through preliminary. These guys will start putting construction drawings together. The contractors are already on board. They'll start pricing all the way through. If we run into something, whatever, we're over budget, there is no commitment to go forward and no matter what, we'll have to come back to this council to say this is what it looks like. It'll, it'll, it'll, it'll, it's expected to be financed like a COP, just like the $12 million project next door. And so you'll see it through that. You'll see it through updates. And I'm trying to think of the last big picture, big budget item we've done. You will be updated along the way. And what we've said is roughly speaking, 3 million of the 5 million, the 5 million roughly two-erzin tax, we've committed to this. As long as, in my mind, that's the budget. And then we can play with the rent revenues and you'll see performance and you'll see all that coming back. But if there's some spike of 30%, or we missed a number, or we run into mastodons or whatever it might be, you'll know, and then you'll have to. I'm not worried about that part. So say we get to the point where we say, okay, we got to rethink parts of this, right? And the team does, we will do a great job and get it down to budget. Where do we enter the process again? You're talking about the VEE piece of the more than VEE. This is the legal land use process. Yeah, it's the roughly speaking, and the dollar just speaks to the code. But for those of us that aren't attorneys or planners, if it's within 10%ish and we can say, hey, you know what, the parking is the same, but the heights, the materials difference, the colors the same and some other things, we have flexibility of staff to say can move forward. If it's out of that realm, we can say, no, this is not meeting the preliminary requirements or the final requirements and we have to kick it back. And kick it back to preliminary. To preliminary. To preliminary. Go to preliminary again. Can you also just because some people haven't been through the full process yet? And it is different, I would say different because we're also owners, just really mourned up like what the public hearing process looks like in terms of hearing public comment and then taking that public comment and being able to like make changes. Like that preliminary. No, once it goes in we can't make changes, right? The public can for sure, huh? The public certainly can. I mean, I can think of when it depends on the developer and where the developer. So if the public shows up and says, I'll make up an example. It's too tall. And there's 30 people in here saying it's too tall or it's too dense or it's whatever. And it's something that we can accommodate for. Then we're gonna have that flexibility to say, we can make that change. And we've done that. You see developers do the other time. They come back with a redesign essentially. And so we would be coming back with that redesign. So that's the flexibility. But at that point, you're the owner. We're not. Right. Right. We can no longer talk about month-to-month valves that we can't in a review way. That's right. We can't suggest let's make a for. We can in a review way. That's right. We can't in a review way. That's right. We can't in a review way. That's right. We can't in a review way. That's right. We can't in a review way. That's right. We would with the developers. But if there's 50 people in here, that's what you have a town manager for. It's like, oh, geez, here's the reason. I mean, if you're getting public comment and you find it within the review criteria, this is incompatible with the neighborhood.'s one of the review criteria I can't remember. You could say, hey, I think we should go direct staff to say that this project needs some revision based on the public comment we're receiving because based on that we were thinking it may not be compatible with this review criteria. I don't think I think it's fully, there's still opportunity for input from council as you move forward through the land use process. But we can't discuss it amongst ourselves like we can while we're in public hearing, correct? Would there be any greater benefit to having public sort of feedback before it went to preliminary versus at public hearings during preliminary. Is there any like pro or con benefit either way? There's pros and cons. I mean, I think the pro of submitting it as we recommended is everybody gets to hear every comment and you all hear it together and you can interpret it how you want, but you're all sitting there, someone sitting in the chair over there and you all can hear whether it's too tall or too short or not enough or whatever and you hear it together. And I think that's the best benefit. It's like all our land use process. I mean, every project that's gone through in the village has got that. So that's the biggest benefit of submitting it formally. I think the biggest benefit of kind of that neighborhood meeting is one more meeting. I mean, more inputs never going to be bad, but more input that's less formal is sometimes difficult. And that's why if there's a level of comfort now, we're saying, all right, you've gone through sketch, you're almost ready for preliminary, you've had a vote, you've had, I don don't even know but say six or seven means at the council It's it's ready to get that formal input now because you've gotten I'm assuming you've gotten input the whole last three months You know for since the election or whatever it is or I guess whatever how many months that is and so it's up to you How much input you think is going to how much of that input you want to get informally. And then how much that's going to change where you are. I mean, if for people show up and say, make it taller, add more densities, that can really make a difference. Or for people say, make it shorter, reduce density. It's that informal, that informal feedback gets to be less. I mean, I do, you have to take that all the great assault because it bends upon who came out that day. Yeah, and if four people show up, it could be a lot today because you don't even have four today. But I mean, but it that's exactly my point is when you start making a formal that input everyone's opinion matters the same because they all have the same time and you guys can wait that way. So I think that's the benefit as the formalities and then the letter starts showing up and you can see people consider writing and they know what they're commenting on because the projects might I will say there's a few tweaks that I wanna talk about, but I'm very comfortable with where it is. I mean, it's been a long process. We all know all the issues. And I think we've gotten to something that's a good product. And I also think we're in the preliminary phase and we're getting feedback, we're going to know whether it's something significant that we really are like, oh shoot, we miss that. Exactly. You know, I think about moving it forward and having something formal versus a more informal setting for a conversation. And I am really interested in a temperature gauge now that we have it to something that we're feeling a little bit more comfortable with. I would really appreciate that opportunity to have that public informal public meeting. I think that would help. Because this project in particular is pushing the boundaries of the comp plan in so many ways, I feel like we need to do an initial outreach at this point so that we really are still in owner's review and can mull over the input that we get. I like the idea of the preliminary setting where we're all hearing the same feedback at the same time, but it still gives the opportunity to digest that, talk about it, think it through, and be certain that we're still fully comfortable with this before we've gone to that next stage where now it's kind of out of our hands to make any further recommendations. I would really advocate not to move to preliminary tonight and to open it up for a public in a informal but strategized public engagement session that we could have. I would suggest that we have it as a meeting or a work session so that we're getting public comment coming directly to all five of us as opposed to a open house scenario where we're having different conversations but not hearing the same information. I think this kind of setting for that kind of input at this stage is ideal to keep us from getting to that impasse where yes we've pushed up against the comp plan how's the community feeling. I think it would be extremely appropriate. Feel good gesture for the community. I agree with that part of it. I think a lot of benefit from at least one last chance to hear from the community or at least, you know, introduce it to both things. You know, I think one meeting wouldn't be a problem. So you just so I understand what you're saying. Instead of doing more of like an open house where you have boards, you're saying you wanted to be more like this where a person's coming up and giving public comment. I would appreciate that. Or the opportunity to write in on the agenda topics so that we can... But advertise it so people know to come. And... Really put it out there. This is a big chance. You know, a presentation on the screen and the people comment. maybe they'll be shows up. I like that because I like the buy-in and I think that what I haven't loved is the response from the feeling and that's not to say it wasn't provided but the feeling that people had around the town park and I just would love to be like come like this is I was I was even thinking maybe we put up like a banner on the bridge to like really make sure people know it's happening and really like make it whether people show up or not just like I I want to have ownership and the village about like breaking ground and I like that like buy-and-stap So I'm I'm in I'm in favor of that as long as it's well advertised and and we really encourage people to come Mm-hmm And I like the all of us getting the same feedback as one at once I think that's good and it's a funny time a year, but if we do it in here, people can... It's true. Yeah, it's true. Yeah. A lot of people are gone. A lot of people are traveling, and they're not here right now. So just to follow up on that, if we did something like that, like I know you sort of laid out the timing, but like, I mean, if the idea is to get this ready for like next spring, right? I mean, do we, how much flexibility time do we have if any right now? Well, I mean, if you do this May 5th, I mean, I'm just, which is the next council meeting, I'm looking, there's, I'm sure we could put it in there. I mean, and assuming tonight, let's just say tonight you love everything Sarah and her team saying, Eric and whatever you see in the team saying, and you're saying great, bring it back in the fifth, give us a 20-minute presentation and get a, how much feedback we're going to get. So, and you say great, love it, submit on the fifth, may fifth. Again, roughly speaking, then you know, it's submitted in June, roughly June. It would be, it would probably be in front of the planning commission in July, maybe, maybe August. I have no idea how long they'll take it, but you know, if it's, that's, if they do, they meet every other week and they meet three times, that's a month and a half. So that's September. You guys get it in September. You guys we get an October. Again, I'm extending it. But I imagine it's going to take us that long to review it after because we lived it so long with the Pioneer Commission. I mean, I mean, so you guys see it in two meetings and you're done. So let's just say it's done in October. I mean, just speed it up. boom fast done in, then it's six months for construction drawings. You know, then it's then it's 2020, whatever month I mean, the team would be very construction drawings now, right? If we go say we're ready, once you're at one year through preliminary, once you're I thought you said once we were ready to submit to preliminary, they're going to start with construction document. No, we'll start with our application for preliminary. We wouldn't start construction documents or any other stuff until we know, I think after preliminary approval, once this council says we like this, then we'd be accountable saying, you know, get the foundations, get that stuff, get that whatever it is done, and then we'd have to bring it back to final approval for you guys before, but it's a kind of a parallel track. I have a few comments tonight that I think are going to require going back and looking at it again. I mean, they're minor things, but I think it's we want to see what if people agree. So maybe we we come back and revisit this when we're done with our. I just wanted I just felt I do think it's important that everyone just really fully understands the process and what each step means and where the feedback comes into play and how it is different than just another developer doing a project, even that we are also the owner. You can be the best developer in town. I mean, that's what you guys do. You're the most responsive developer. So, but yes, I do agree and I want you guys to give your presentation. I just want to, I think it's important, you know, that we lay that foundation so everyone understands the whole picture. Now on to you guys. All right. Thanks for having us. We have an update on the landscape architecture today as well as some updates on the architecture. I believe we're going to start with the landscape architecture update. We're super excited to bring this back in front of you guys because it's been a little while since we've been able to show you an updated design and we're really excited with how we're able to work within the configuration of this new building. So with that, I am going to switch to some presentation mode and I'm going to review the landscape goals, which really haven't changed, but I'll mostly reiterate them. And then I'll go over the overall site plan with you guys and And then I'm going to switch it over to Molly, who's going to get into a little bit more detail and show you some conceptual renderings. And then we'll transition it over to Eric's team. So where we are today is an updated concept design responding to the new architecture. The goals of the design are the same as the goals that you've seen before. So we're working on creating high quality, outdoor living, gathering, and play spaces for the people who will live here, for families who will live here. And we want to ensure that the spaces that we're providing are flexible, multi-use spaces so that they can grow and evolve with the needs of the residents over time and we want to make sure that we're providing multimodal access to the new building so that you can walk, bike, or take transit it or drive as needed. So we want to make sure the residents have all the connectivity that they need to the rest of Snowmass. So this is the overall updated site plan. It's pretty zoomed out and what I'm going to primarily focus on is the overall organization of space and connectivity to the surrounding land. So we have our new architecture here connected, as you've seen before, with this road that passes town hall. We have bike access that is shared on the street all the way up to the structure. We have two ways that bicycles can enter the parking area, primarily down here at the lower parking garage entrance. Yeah, you know what? Let me see if I can switch to something better here. Let me do this. And is this the correct architecture plan? Because I don't remember the cutback in the L. Do I met this right here? I can't see your cursor. I know. I'm so sorry. Let me see if I can like. Between the F and the D. Yes. The cutback into the building. I don't think it's part of the architecture anymore. So I met that there. Yeah. That is showing the entrance to the to the ground level floor at. And showing the architectural plans we received today. So yeah, look at that. These are pointer. Thank you. Okay. Oh, she just got one. I'll count. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but while you're looking for a good guy. No, no, that's great. I'll leave there. Oh, these are point, oh my gosh. Okay, so we have bike access to the property with shared bike lanes on the road. And then we have primary bike access. So the bike lanes are on the road. They're not a sidewalk. We have a sidewalk that is for pedestrians. It's not a multi-use trail. OK, if you're biking on the road. You're biking on the road, correct. So we have a community in a dedicated bike lane or just on the road. The road is not of sufficient width currently to have a dedicated bike lane. But they took great take great incandescence? Correct. Yeah. So the primary bike entrance to the garage, we are anticipating at this lower garage entrance level. But there is bike parking provided at the entry plaza level. So bikes can continue to go up to the entry plaza. And there is bike parking provided at the most battery on my laser pointer. You got another one. Do we? Arsenal laser pointers. Oh, there it is. Okay. So there is bike parking provided here and then if the cyclist wish to, they can actually continue all the way up the side of the building and then access the upper plaza up here. So there's bike access at multiple levels of the structure. For pedestrian access to the structure you can see that we have now a sidewalk primarily on the north side or only on the north side of this drive aisle here, passing town hall and that is due to the updated plans for this intersection. It makes the most sense to only have the sidewalk on the town hall side of the access road. And then a crossing will be provided here. And then the sidewalk will continue the south side, east, east, west, west, west, east side of the dry vile here, at which point pedestrians can either choose to take a stair up to the entry plaza. There's also a pedestrian entrance to the garage where there'll be an elevator or you can continue along the sidewalk up to the entry plaza. So we have dedicated sidewalk and then on road cycling connection to the greater Somas Village. Then we have, here as I've been referencing the entry plaza, this is where we'll be having our parking, our primary entrance to the building at this level would be located here. And then we have a second level of programming, which Molo get into more detail on these things. We have a second level of programming in the rear, which is more functioning as community gathering space and amenity space for residents. And then finally, at the uppermost level, we have a roof deck, which is additional community gathering and amenity space for residents. As you've seen before, we do have some programming down here at the lower point site near Town Hall. This is currently proposed as just a small kind of seating overlik area, nothing in terms of really large programming, but just a little bit of additional space either for individuals at town hall or for residents of this structure. And then in the back we have as you've seen before our debris flow basin. This is our access for maintenance for the debris flow basin, and then also potentially additional access to this existing trail, which we are currently working with the OpenSpace team to figure out the alignment of that trail and how it relates to our project. It's the material, the surface of the maintenance road. TBD and in terms of where the material changes. It's the material, the surface of the maintenance road. TBD, and in terms of where the material changes, it's an ongoing conversation of the material that we have here for access, and then the material that we would continue up the hill. So it will just be a dirt road or a gravel or a likely yes and unpaved surface especially once we get past here. It could even be less dirt and gravel and could even go closer to two track because it really is an off-road maintenance road. Yeah. Good. Any questions on this very big overall site diagram? And if not, I can switch it to Molly who can get into more detail about these spaces. Great and I'll thanks for your later pointer Molly. I'll be using these in years. Very fun. Hi everyone I'm Molly Somes. I've been listening in on a lot of these meetings, but my first time so hello. Sitting here. Yeah. So this is a close up of the area. Well, the larger development area. And I just wanted to start down on the lower road here. Like Sarah said, we have a shared road coming up. You can see our attached sidewalk kind of, oh yeah, there we go. Pulls away from the roads that we have a pull-off here. That was the direction of the defiled fire department. They wanted a little extra space down there. And that's a pullover for the fire department. These specifically requested that there. Stan, yeah. And one of the main things we're trying to do in this lower area here is to reduce the scale of the wall creating the plaza and the lower parking area. So it's really a balance of sidewalk pulloff and then green space. We've added in some bolder terracing so that we can fit more plants right in front of the wall to soften it. We've also worked with the fire department to create this hammerhead for emergency vehicles to turn around it and we looked at different angles for it and we found that having it on this angle here, not only does it help to give a little more space in front of it for planting and reducing that visibility from down the road. It also helps us to have more snow storage in this lower area here. So yeah, we've worked to get that alignment best fit in the space. And I'm losing my, there we go. So that was really helpful. And I think we're accomplishing that goal of covering the wall. And then we came up the road here and we decided because there's that lower pedestrian access and the bike access at the lower garage entrance, we wanted to consolidate that effort here and put the stairs adjacent to that door. So the stairs help you to more directly get up to the upper courtyard or to the upper plaza. And like Sarah said, we still have our attached sidewalk. the stair, the stair, as it's start, is the bottom of the stair by the number five and the top of stair by the number seven or the other way around? It's a scissor stair. So the bottom and the... Oh, it's a scissor stair. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's nice about that is that then the top of the stair is aligned to go right towards the front entrance and that really we've shown options with it in a lower by the eight and this way you're really just landing and seeing the structure. That's the critical height of that stair. We heard the end of this packet and that has the preliminary grading. So we can check it out. I cannot remember off the top. Tenish. Tenish. Yeah. Not hideous. What's it? It's not hideous. It's, um, it's about 10-ish feet. We can check some of the preliminary civil drawings which are at the end of this packet. The advantage of starting the stairs above the dry vial in addition to what Molly was saying about how it aligns with the pedestrian entrance to the garage which accesses an elevator is that we're further up the slope so it does shorten the stairs by a good few feet. But if the stairs are too onerous, you can also continue the attached sidewalk up and around to the... The stairs are great, then I'm just trying to understand from the stroin. Yep. In that area too, especially up near the seven, we have a lot of space to add in more bolder terracing if needed so we can break up that height further. Okay, coming into the entry plaza, we have here 17 parking spaces for which are ADA. We also have the front entrance. It's kind of, it's really nice what Eric and the team have done here is you come up the road. The front entrance is really well presented when you hit the top of the road. We, let me just get my notes out so I don't forget anything. So we in the past we've talked about having pedestrians be safe and dominated and indicating pedestrian areas. We have continued to do so by using different paving for all the pedestrian areas. We've also reduced the scale of the paving area by breaking it into different paving patterns. So the main route is most likely in concrete, but then all the parking spaces could be a concrete paving pattern. So the main route is most likely in concrete, but then all the parking spaces could be a concrete paving pattern. So the main route is most likely in concrete, but then all the parking spaces could be a concrete paving pattern. So the main route is most likely in concrete, but then all the parking spaces could be a concrete paving pattern. the project will use pavers to drive and they can't use a snow blow. So be careful about that. Yeah. And that's also a concern. You know, it's all great in the summer when you can see all the patterns, but think about what you've got in the winter when there's fresh coat of snow. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a paver, especially if it becomes a maintenance concern of having to put a special shoe on the on the Cloud like if you have to put a special shoe on the plow to keep from popping a paper off It can also just be patterned concrete alternative colors of concrete You love papers. We'll just keep that in mind. Yep And the issue when they're not gonna put a special shoe on the plow at four o'clock in the day. So I think the main thing is that we want to break up the perceived scale of that space directly in front of the structure by doing alternative paving colors, patterns, types, etc. You know because we're still at kind of a conceptual level here. Is the road asphalt or concrete? TBD asphalt. Once you hit the top of the parking deck, I think that that's where the, because this is, you know, on structure here as soon as we get kind of past the the trash truck area. So that's where the part, material may change, depending on what we wanna put on structure. So that's kinda the area where it would be the TBD material. But what we don't wanna see for sure is a sea of asphalt on the pedestrian level. I mean, if the road was asphalt, the drive, then you could do a nice concrete in the parking range. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So really the main takeaway is we want to break up the perceived scale of that space. Um, we additionally have tried to add as much vegetation on to the deck well because this is a raised, or this is a parking garage, we're on the roof of the parking garage. All of the vegetation you're seeing here is our enraged planters. We have some precedent imagery to show you what some of those might look like in the next pages. we we think we can house a couple of trees and we even put some raised planters along this edge here too. So if we wanted to plant some binding drooping plants that will continue to grow down the side of that wall and continue to soften the wall to be helpful. I should mention also that the front entrance here has the trash and recycling bay, just adjacent to it. And during the times when trash is and getting picked up or psyched up and getting picked up, you can also pull your car over to drop someone else off and then continue turn around and exit the area. Is that where move-ins would occur? I think so. I think that would be a good spot if it's a tall truck that's moving people. Otherwise we have the parking garage below. Well, I'm assuming you'd have a truck. Both are adjacent to elevators. Well, we get to the plan to like to see how the access is, but those are the context you have to worry about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just ask really quickly while we're on this section, where would snow? How would that work? Yeah, they push piles or they're? What is the kind of strategy? Would it push in front of the pathway there off to the side? I'm just curious. Yeah, I think the main the main push would be down to this corner here. So as it comes down the road pushes that way. most likely they'd be pulling the snow out of here and then pushing it that direction. We're also planning to have a little bit of space here as well. And on the top end. And on the top over here. Yeah. Over in this area here. So we're trying to peel out as much space for that as we can. But really this area right here is giving us quite a bit of. What about the section between this building and town hall? That part in here? Yeah. It's pretty narrow, pretty steep. Pretty narrow, pretty steep, but I think the cars parking right here might get snow on the snow on that. And as public works looked at this in terms of. They have. And I mean, we're working to try to squeeze as much snow storage as we can. But that little space that you see right there is already used by them for snow storage. So that's not really available. This is as wide as this gets. This is very narrow. So, you know, we're trying to see if we can squeeze some. This is the most of it, right? And we will do this plowing with our, we won't be using the big town plows for this. This will be either our smaller plows that are on F 350s or even we have a skid and we have a, you know, we have a lot of smaller equipment. And then we still got to push it somewhere. So some of it can go here and we were talking about trying. We're going to work with our civil to try to see if we can kind of push this back. Even if we can get five about five feet into this area, that will be a lot of snow storage. And in here. And in here. That I think is the most troublesome. So I mean, I'm not, I mean, I assume you'll work with public work and figure it out. But, yeah, we, because you can't push it on to the parking lot of the town hall. Right, we can't really push it to the right. We, so we're looking at ways to push it to the left or on the top. I just when we put in landscaping, it's often the afterthought of how much damage this snow removal does to the landscaping. So I'm sure you guys are thinking that I'm thinking after thought at like my house when I put something that I think is pretty and then it's destroyed in the winter. Yes, we're very sensitive to snow storage locations and civic landscapes after all these years. So it's definitely when we get to the point of doing the planting design for this, the actual vegetation landscape design for this, that will be one of the very primary considerations. These are normally things we ask a developer to have resolved when they come in for preliminary. So something you probably need to be addressing sooner or not later. Yes, so all of these things, the materials, etc. will be part of our development of our preliminary plan application. I think let's see where are we. Oh, yes. Sarah had mentioned bike parking in this area. There there is an overhang from the architecture above here and proposing to talk a couple bar. a bike rack in the corner underneath that eve so that it's covered. One of our aims with creating the multimodal landscape is to make the other opportunities for commuting or just getting around the space. what's what I'm looking for? Inviting and easy. Inviting and easy, yeah. Yeah, so for biking, especially up here in the mountains, I've been asked that and it's hard to motivate to jump on your bike even if it is an e-bike with studded tires if it's covered in snow. So one of the ways to make biking easy or we're hoping to cover most, if not all, the bike parking. And then to make it easily accessible close to doors and easily to lock your bike and keep it, make it feel safe, because we love our bikes here, and they're not worth that inexpensive. Right, so moving down the way here, we do have our hammerhead turn around for our emergency act as vehicles here. And I assume for any vehicle. Well, yeah, for any vehicle is true, especially if you're just dropping someone off. We have a little corner here that that ended up giving us that we can place a picnic table. will give us anyone sitting there, a great view down the valley there. And then this is the entrance to the upper parking garage here. Coming around here, we wanted to maintain that access, coming around the side of the building as we had before. And then we are up in the upper courtyard. We're still calling it a courtyard because the hill comes down this way and then you have, you basically have walls or building or hillside. Not even inside. The rotating wall gives the hill on the left. So these are meant to be like bolder retaining nothing super high. We're just trying to create pockets for vegetation to grow. And then this hillside right here, we wanted to try to make it as gentle as we can so that if in the wintertime, kids can build little jumps and ski jumps and play that hillside. And yeah, so we're trying to carve that out and work with a civil to get the right grading recipe in that area for recreation. This, like I said, it's a little bit, you know, it's hidden in the back here, which is nice because we can kind of create this, a way, this in a way. And when we're thinking, when we were designing this area, we really wanted to create a space that was inviting to families or larger groups to really have this like active play area. One of our goals in the very beginning of this was to have play features that were appealing to all age groups, especially because this is a limited site. The more we can entice a large group of people, the better and give everyone an opportunity to play here. So we have, I'm just going to follow the road up here, coming up here. We have this patio here, which I'm calling affectionately the beach patio. This is adjacent to the turf, to the grass. We where people can, you know, have a yoga, a course or what have you on here. And what I've done is we've raised that whole area up 18 inches. of course, or what have you on here. What I've done is we've raised that whole area up 18 inches so that it creates a little one, it will help with the grading, but also creates a fun space, separate from the rest of it. So you're creating more interest in the landscape instead of just having it all flat across the whole thing. This road, sorry, I'm shaking a lot. This road coming through here is that grade and it has little pathways connecting to each of the patios so everyone that's at the floor units can access their patios in and out. We've actually maintained quite a bit of vegetation in front of their patios because because we don't want them to feel like they're in the courtyard, want them to have some privacy. And vice versa, if you're in the courtyard, you don't want to feel like you're in someone's living room. We still maintain there isn't an access store. It sounds like the architecture is a little bit different now here, but the point is that we still maintain the access into the building there. This room right here is proposed to be a community room so we have a nice large patio outside the community room for flexible programming whether it to be seating or a space to exercise in or we'll have you. And then the lastly, we have our little play area here where we are introducing the idea of these play sculptures or play features that are interesting to all ages, as we said. And so yeah, we'll have like an 18 inch seat wall along that edge and along the tree edge here. Yeah, it's really, I think, starting to become a fun community space. So lastly, we have our upper rooftop patio. When we're designing this patio, we were thinking, all right, downstairs is where the fun, the public, like the gathering is happening, the kids are playing, they're building jumps on the hillside. Up here, this could be the more quiet, passive hangout zone. We have, we have space for two grill stations on either side and lots of seating in the center. We're introducing some shading and also some rooftop planters and rooftop gardens to really give it a garden feel. Also when you are at the bottom looking up at the structure we're hoping that some of that greenery kind of spills up and over the edge. Yeah, anything to add, Sarah? No. Any, we have some precedent imagery and some renderings, but any other questions on the plan view before we... would show those. Well, Molly dive back in. Okay, great. Yeah, so some of these images you've seen before, we're starting to hone in a little bit more on materiality and style. You'll see Erica, Erica will present some of the materials they've landed on currently, and I think these fold in well with it. When it comes to furniture and raised planters, we're going for more core ten and wood beams and just sort of trying to make it a little more alpine-esque. Papers, you know, we're gonna keep it warm, we're gonna keep it, you know, less commercial and more homey. Also with the stairway, we're hoping to do it on pillars so that we can really plant right up to them and get things to grow and they almost feel like they're hovering over the landscape instead of interacting into the landscape. Bike parking, as I said, we're going to try to get some covered bike parking, whether it be in the garage or underneath an Eve. We're also looking for a space for a bike wash station that goes into our goals for keeping it easy and you know, easy to choose to ride your bike. It's clean. It's easy to clean. It's covered. It's all the things. And Boulder walls are, we really want to use those to create landscape pockets to help soften the grading. And then when we have more intentional, like the raised turf and beach patio, we can use these Corten steel walls to mirror the architecture. Up top we have our grill stations. This is a little example of what we're thinking of. Something simple, ADX-seqsable and easy to clean and nothing too complicated. And then also we're looking at shade structures up there. Over here we have ideas for play areas. We have our lawn on program lawn, but then we also have these features that, I mean, I don't know about you, but I love a good miracle round. He's an even as an adult. So something, you know, that's fun like that. When you look at shade structures, just I've had all the covers on my deck blowing off the last couple of weeks. There's a lot of wind here up high. So really, I think seriously about that. Absolutely. Yeah, I was going to ask about this too if there's something that's going to be permanent. Are we going to have to replace them every year or two? Because we put immediate structures that other locations are in here and they just have an expiration date they don't last. They do have an expiration date but they're not particularly expensive. They can they'll be a maintenance item that will be taken down in the winter. That's the nice thing about it is you can take it down when you know at different times of the year and they'll be stored and then they probably have about a five-year life or so I would say I have them at my house and they're great but yeah they do they do have a you know they're like curtains or like other sorts of things they're they're movable like curtains with a lot of structural coordination involved and we we have a rendering of the rooftop patio and there is a, we actually have a mix of shade sales and a pergola in the center. A diversity of shade could be a nice thing. Okay, so yeah, here's a rendering of the upper courtyard. You can see our grass area, our hillside, our play features. You are also starting to see some of the architecture that Erica will be talking about so far. I think it's looking pretty good. Okay. You know, it isn't a massive space, but we're just trying to invite people into that whole area and trying to be sensitive to certain things, like not having a massive grass area to maintain, just something big enough to throw a frisbee or a tennis ball or whatever, you know, whatever you wish. I am, I happen to have a human in my life who has a hard time with this type of drop because I have an 18 month old. So, but I do like how you've also broken up the texture, but I just wanted to make sure that those types of spaces aren't like hard falls. Maybe where those, I don't know how many toddlers will be living in the building, but especially if the park is accessed from that kind of space that's nice to not have places where the kids have a bigger hardfall. And for the sake of accessibility for this area, and you can I borrow the laser pointer? Thanks. So for the sake of accessibility, in particular, for the designated play features, because we do have one area that we are designating as a play area, it will have a safety surface in this design. We can talk about it. That is at the same grade as the exit of the structure and the exit of the community room. So that you really got to go forward. You got to want it with this laser pointer. I don't want it enough there it is. So this, this would all be flat surface. And so I'm sorry, I thought that was a drop right there too. Yeah, so that it's a confusing in plan view, which by the renderings help a little bit. So we have an exit from the structure here, and then that is the same plane as the designated play area. Okay. And then we have a step up of 18 inches to our lawn. Okay. And then we have a sloping area of concrete that, oring area of pavement that takes you up to that space. So this is a no drop from here to here zone. This would be kind of a seat wall at the rear of this. So you as a parent, for example, could sit right here and watch the children or if the children were just careening headlong, they would fall under a safety surface. So yeah, you mentioned is the what's the surface? I mean, the paved surface, is that concrete or is that granted? We would love to see this be a unit paper. This is an area that we're not going to be material with that be? I mean, if we're going to be realistic with costs, it'll probably be a concrete unit paper. A concrete paper. More than likely if we could get away with something like brick or something, that would be great as well. But if we want to be super realistic about cost, we're probably looking at a concrete unit paper. You do need to be real. What's beautiful? Yeah, would it look like would it look like this, but then be made out of concrete? Yes. And so we you can get concrete unit pavers in, in a number of configurations, long, linear, rectangular like this, square, more brick-sized, cobalt. I mean, the, within the realm of shipability, the world's your oyster, in terms of concrete unit paving. But then there's a cost consideration. You know, the more uniquely sized unit pavers get more expensive versus a 2x2 square. So, can I ask also, do you have a, is there a way to see where the patio privacy barrier, like how does that work? Because it still feels when I zoom it in, which is on my screen, like that kind of stepping right out into the area where we so this is a little confusing, not confusing, but in this, and I'm actually gonna go back to the plan view here for a second. So you can see that we have two zones of circulation. We have zone one here, which is narrower and is primarily an access pathway, so that you can move through the space without having to move through kind of the sitting lounging beachfront area. And then we have this sitting lounging beachfront area, which is separated from this pathway, as well as from the landscape that keeps us separated from the patios by planters, because this,, again, a little tough to tell in 2D, but this is 18 inches higher here than this right here. So this is our 18 inch step down kind of contained within those raised. I just see that now that you point that out. Yeah. So then in here, what you're not seeing is that on the other side of this planting right here is a step down and then another walkway, if that makes sense. It does, thank you. And then maybe I'm saying, I'm not like in the subway. Yes, sorry. So you see the row of trees are just in front of the row of trees, kind of behind these benches in front of the trees, is the step down. And then this gray in the background is that four-foot wide walking path. And then this gray in the background is that four-foot wide walking path. And then this gardens that you're seeing, those are the gardens that are wrapped around the patios. And because the patios aren't an angle, the distance varies. But it's easier to see here if you want to say you can almost like the little dark on the green. Yeah. But those gardens are around like eight to 10 feet from the patio. Okay, just pretty generous. Right. And do Aspen trees do well with partial sun? Because this is just west sun, right? Yeah, this will get evening afternoon. And Tom not guaranteeing that these are Aspen trees regardless, regardless, I mean aspentries are all the pain in the ashtries. We may pick a different tree regardless, shown in the rendering as an aspentry, but definitely not the final tree selection. Okay. And I know you guys are very familiar with working in this environment. All the plants will be native, right? Um, what are we bringing in? Well, I, we did not have all the plants as being native as one of our planting criteria. We did have all the plants as being adapted appropriately. Um, but if we, if we want to go all native, that's fun. And I love it. So if we want to kind of throw that in in the ring for the planting design, just let us know. I mean, every ecosystem does better when it's native plants and nothing else introduced. So I would recommend that. Yeah, I think we can certainly do that. There are a lot of plants that are water efficient that that are not native, but they're very popular, and we know they're tried and true. I do think the water efficiency is key, though. I think so too. What's interesting about this is we don't have, aside from the gardens that align the patios and the few that you can see here, there are the raised planters on the rooftop and a couple at the front entrance. So the gardens are, we have some, they're not very extensive. The rest of what we will be planting will be native because it will be to help with the vegetation-vegetation of the grating-graded areas. So I will say, and this is something that we can talk about, we don't have to do it here because we're a little bit, you know, we're a little bit higher level than specific planting design right now, but we will get there. So this is maybe a good time to bring it up, but in terms of goals for the landscape in the cultivated areas, right, in the areas that aren't re-vegetation, our goals are to have it be low maintenance, water efficient, and then a four-season aesthetic, if we want to add additional goals on top of that, all native, 80% native, whatever you guys wanna do, but just so our baseline goals were low maintenance, four seasons and water efficient. Yeah, that's reasonable. I think we can add a goal to just try to get as much of it to be, you know, whatever percentage that feels appropriate, but work on those native plants. All right. So this is the roof top deck. And you can see our grill stations on either side with their sort, they're dedicated dining area. We're using these raised planters to delineate space so that you can actually have several parties up here at the same time if needed, wanted. We have the shade sales here and then we have a pergola against the back wall here to. Is there any things in the roof of the pergola? Well, it's not shown for visual clarity. Okay, all right. Yes, I understand. Yeah, we, okay. Totally, yep. Yeah. I think shade is the goal with that guy. And the other goal, we pushed it to the back wall here because it will be year round. We didn't want to There's a lot of effort to help With visual height of the building and this really helps you know So yeah lots of lots of opportunity here and in the front row you see the rooftop gardens that are over the the basically where the patio, the doors that come out to the patio is above there. So you will hopefully, well, the goal is to see that vegetation from down below. It also uniforms this line where the railing will be. So the railing isn't up against the top edge of the building either. So that's also helping with our height as well. That's our last conceptual rendering. We can talk more about this. Erica does have a packet. Yeah, should we jump in Erica's? All right. And now take it away, Ericka. Can you guys hear me? OK. Yes. And OK, I'm going to keep my video off just so hopefully it'll help with the internet speed. All right. So obviously, you know, Sarah and Molly haven't gotten to update you guys in a while. So we wanted to make sure they you know a good part of the presentation today so I think we will try to go through this pretty quickly on our updates but we're happy to dive in you know wherever you guys would like to spend a little more time discussing. So this is just a cover page that I created to I think it was created this after we submitted our packet to you guys but it's you know, for our own memorializing of what we heard from you guys at the last meeting. You know, we heard that essentially, you know, you were appreciative that we were listening and, you know, trying to incorporate requests for more Alpine character and Alpine materials. We heard that you would prefer to kind of maintain the unit density that we had as presented in our six C option at the last meeting, but that there was still some interest in, you know, sort of out of the box ways to reduce height, but not reduce density of the units. And so let's see, we also heard a request to study the massing in the roof line at the lobby and entry area. We heard that there was kind of a split decision on a like for the sunshades and the purlings that were structuring the sunshades. We also heard that there was still a desire to emphasize more of the horizontality and less of the vertical elements. And then there also was a strong preference to really more closely to the materials that are represented in town hall. And so we have done that. I think we have addressed all of these in our packet. So I'll have Molly or Sarah clicked to our next view and we'll start to talk about how we've incorporated what we heard from you at the last meeting. Try in Erica. Thank you. Yeah, it's sometimes a little slow for Cher. Okay, I'm just going to go like that. There you go. Thank you. Okay. So, you know, as I think you guys have asked and we've talked about we've had a number of meetings with the fire department with Betsy's maintenance crew with public works with transit. and we really have started to really push the civil coordination on making sure that we have space allocated in the site plan for all of the needed Services to come up to this building and so we've been going back and forth. We do have updated civil plans That we can look at if needed But they were sort of in this back and forth stage where I think you noted that there was the sort of jog in at the courtyard Where you access the storage is a little different on the on the landscape plan and architectural and that's literally because we have work in the middle of coordinating between landscape architecture and civil right now, but they are really closely aligned, but we are sort of in that stage where we're live incorporating all of our different department needs. But all of the meetings went really well last week. The Fire Department, you know, public works and all of the different departments are very, you know, I guess, complimentary, the revisions to the design and, you know, while they have, you know, expressed different wants and needs, all of those seem very achievable at this point. So that's kind of our site plan update, but this really has not dramatically changed. Our parking, we have not pushed that too much further because we have been concentrating on the architectural character for this meeting. And but we have our parking plans included here. We have made some refinements in the trash area, which has allowed us to adjust the massing of that entry. So when we get to the renderings, we can talk about that, but we've been able to sort of deemphasize the trash doors, which are necessary to have in that location, but we've been able to have a landscape, little island to buffer that, and then also push that part of the architecture back a little bit. So it's not protruding as much ahead of the lobby area. If I can interrupt you just while you're on this drawing. Sure. Can you explain how people move their furniture in and out if they're not coming from the garage? Absolutely. So Betsy has expressed that a lot of people will move in and out of her housing, you know, just with pickup trucks. And so we're hoping to have a designated spot in the lower garage where people could park right next to the elevator and then load furniture into our into our freight elevator. And then if somebody did have a moving van, the idea would be that they could come up in temporarily park in that trash area to unload. And the number of times per week that the trash is coming, we certainly would have to make sure with her onsite staff that there wasn't a conflict. But our understanding is that most of the residents would come more with a pickup truck-sized vehicle to move into these apartments and not with a moving van. So I think that's where we can have harmony. Okay, I don't know how to get the goods. How do you get the stuff furniture from the truck to the elevator? Do you show me how you do that? Well, I think we're still looking at the exact door locations, but we certainly could have an additional door if we think that the moving van is really going to be a primary access. We're really thinking that the majority of people are pulling into the garage and parking right near the elevator in the garage level. Also for the initial move in when we'll have 63 people moving in at once, they can certainly park in any of the parking lots and come across, you know, we'll they'll have dollies or whatever and bring it in through the main entrance and the elevators right there. So you'll be bringing in through the lobby. Yeah, I mean given the number of turnovers we have, which is about in any given place, about one every four months, or something, there's not a lot of move-in, move-out traffic. We have almost no turnover. So it's that initial move-in will be intense, but that can be a combination of the garage and the front, and we would put up blankets and so forth to kind of protect the finishes. So I think yeah, I think that's it's a it's definitely something that we have flexibility to accommodate you know if we do think it's more of a moving band scenario but but we really are thinking the majority of the people will pull into the lower parking and then just park right near the elevator as they load into the elevator. So yeah. If it's possible to circulate through the trash area. That might be possible. Yeah, I think that could be a possibility as well. If that was a desire, from Betsy's team to have somebody back in there and then kind of open up bigger doors and transfer through there. For sure. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a great thing. Betsy for your team too to give us more feedback in the coming months as they are seeing people move in and out of your existing housing. Just really, is anybody showing up with a moving van? But there certainly are accommodations if somebody does. But I guess what we were hearing is it's mostly a pickup truck. That's about maybe 20% would bring a van if it's a big unit. OK. Good to know. Would you mind going to our next slide? Okay, so we have not updated all of the four plans for this presentation because they haven't really changed, you know, much in terms of how all the building is laying out. We really have concentrated on the architectural character but our largest adjustment to the massing is removing the bedroom and bathroom that's highlighted in orange on this slide. And the reason for that is that is our most visible corner as seen from town hall below, really down from the round about area, and then also from juice across the way and from the gondola. And so the request that we had or had a few requests to continue to look at ways to have more variety in the roof line. And this was an opportunity that we found that could still retain all of our stacking of plumbing. So we're simply making this two-bedroom unit on the uppermost level, a one-bedroom unit. And that allows us to really maintain a lot of our efficiencies with the systems of the building, but to remove that one-bedroom and bathroom and create more variety in the most focal corner of the building. So you can go down here. I have one comment on this plan. In the top apartment on the yellow, on the left, above the stair. That's an interior bedroom you have with no windows, correct? I know, I think. No, not there. No, right above the stair to the right of the stair. No, I think there's an issue with our group there. That's my apologies. It should be exactly what you see on the the mirrored unit across. Yeah, and then updated. Okay. That has been up to here. Okay. Okay, yeah,, that's that's. So the plan. We're going to go to the top. And the master would come down to the bottom. Yes, exactly. Yes. All right. Yeah, we we absolutely would not have no, no, no, no egress windows in a bedroom. It was just an issue with issue with our group. So yeah. And then on the next page. All right, so we have continued to include both our previous version 6c and 6d. And so Sarah or Molly, if you're able to, you know, kind of toggle back and forth, this is 6c and 6d and so Sarah or Molly if you're able to you know kind of toggle back and forth this is 6c and then you can see that removal of the bedroom and bathroom on that south corner of the building so you can maybe go back and forth one more time for me and you can kind of see how how that's bringing down the height at that corner. And then, let's see if you go to the next slide. And we can stop on any of these if anybody would like to. So this was our previous. Erica, could I just interrupt? Sorry. I don't want to go through the whole process and then come back and ask. But when you are looking at each rendering, could you point out kind of perhaps what would be an effort to bring in some Alpine feature and I appreciate what you just said about how that helps with the massing. So kind of as you're walking us through these, if you could do those two things that would help you. Yeah, I'm planning to. This one is just so zoomed out that it's kind of hard to talk about more of the character changes, but this is that one is really just showing you the impact of removing that bedroom from the corner from the upper corner, but then as we get into these renderings, it's a lot easier to talk about about. Thank you. So this this was our previous option 6c as you could see we were utilizing some shed roof forms and post and beam structure down at the entry lobby and we had incorporated in the last meeting stone that was relating to the town hall stone. And then this is where on the right side, you can see that the trash doors were quite prominent. And so we've been looking at ways to really deemphasize that. We have incorporated a sort of a bronze colored dark material as an accent. And we have migrated that now that we're at, so now we're on the 6D slide. We've really changed that to be more of a rusted metal because we we heard from you guys last time we presented that you were really interested in relating to town hall, and there are instances of corrated rusted metal and kind of rusted metal fascia on town hall. And so we felt that that might be a more appropriate material than the bronze color that we had for the elevator cores and some of our lower roofs. And so this is a great example of, I think a couple of you had mentioned one of our other projects which is a school district housing project in Basalt which is Basalt Vista and what we utilize there is kind of this split gable architecture where we have the ability to you know utilize sheds to properly move water away from the entry lobby but really have more of an alpine slash mountain style character so we've really worked to absorb the trash into that entry stone mass and really simplify our post and beam structure. We have not gone back to structural yet because we're still at a conceptual stage, but we're really trying to simplify that and have you see less perlins or beamens and really just have very simple beam, post and beam structure in this revised design. So this is one of our stronger areas where we were trying to relate in the human scaled approach to the building more to an alpine character, as well as having the shed roofs, which are essentially half of that split gable up on all of our two and three bedroom units. As you move around the building, there's that consistency to kind of create an undulating roof line with both flat parapet roofs and also some areas of shed roof. If you guys want to go, are there any questions about this view or, or should I go on to the next? Let's stay on this. And you know, aesthetics are always a question of taste and everybody stays different. So I say what I'm gonna say, but I mean everybody can have a different opinion. I'm still a little bothered by the stone above the lobby on that upper level. Just, I mean, I like it on the lower level, but it just seems sort of arbitrary on that upper part up there, you know? And I'm still, I have a real issue with the sun shades and the reduced sun shades around the building. There's 18 of them I counted. That's a lot. I mean, it's gonna be a lot of money and it really it's gonna affect your waterproofing and your insulation issues. I'm guessing each one's probably $25,000 and if you've got 18 of them, that's like about half a million dollars. I mean, I just, we're gonna have to get really serious. So this building is going to be even today in today's price is this is a very expensive building. Everything about it is deluxe and then we see what's going to be even today, in today's price, this is a very expensive building. Everything about it is deluxe. And when we see what's going to happen in the construction market, we really got to get serious about really, really spend our dollars. I like what you did with the surface of the walls with the horizontal vertical lines and the texture. You know, the beige colored walls, you know, I think that's nice, that's a nice character. But I think these, these little sunshade dudas are sort of gratuitous and I don't like them, but that's personal, but I think they're going to be expensive and that's an owner speaking. So is there, is there a benefit to sunshade just from a like energy efficiency? No. Most of the windows on the building have absolutely no sunshade and that's fine because modern glass reflects solar gain with an invisible coating. So you really, yeah, I don't like cut cut a little glare, but you have shades for that. But, you know, most of the windows don't have a sunshade. Most of the living room windows don't have a sunshade as you look at it and bedroom windows. So, you know, not really, they're not really gonna do anything. You know, they'll collect snow and then ice will drop off and I mean, just you guys got to really love it to do it because it's gonna be an issue. I don't love it, but that's just personal. I'll just pipe in with my two cents. You know, I think like for For me, this building is just big, right? So these are all little ways to help with the visual scale because if we're not going to make it smaller, then we have to figure out ways to make it appear smaller. And these may not be the perfect solution, but I think this is the right kind of direction to getting there. And you know, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, those that are not using the building, but those that are just observing it on a daily basis. So I mean, I would advocate for some kind of combination or at the very least to see an option without them and with them, and really be able to look at those and say, is this really worth the cost? Because if it truly does kind of break that feeling of aggressive scale, then it may be worth the investment, but it may not if it doesn't. I think when you see the next slide, which I'm not saying we've moved to it, but when you show the other end where they've been taken off completely, you can have a sense of what of how that will present. But before you go just again, you know, just from a safety point of view, snow will collect on those, the window bowl, the snow off, you know, there might be ice. I mean, yeah, and I mean, and if there's another treatment that wouldn't cause that, but could still, you know, if I wouldn't even venture to try to design it, but another way that doesn't require something that's tapped on, but maybe it's a painting structure, or a boarding stripper. Yeah, I think they did a nice job with, you know, the expression of those lines and the facade. Like that. Pretty nice. nice. I like to see without the horizontal, the more boxed lines, the horizontal ones. I don't know of a pointer, but the ones at every four level. That's what he's referring to. That's what I'm talking about. And there's those guys. Yeah, those, yeah. And those timbers kind of add like an alpine feature. Breaks up the scale. and I know you're not a huge fan of the stone coming up, but I also think that that gives it visual differentiation so that we're looking at so that it's not so easy to count patterns because when we see patterns, that's when we're aware of how tall something is. So any opportunity to break down the patterning, I think is helpful too. Let's go to the next one. So you can kind of click through, you know, this was, that was the previous option, 6C and then 6D is where we removed the upper bedroom and bathroom. And then you can start to see more of the shed roof that tips away from you and kind of is on that courtyard corner of the building. And so that's, you see that in some of the more the renderings around the backside. But we were really, you know, just excited about simplifying some of the shade structures. And I think, you know, in our mind, you know, as we would move into preliminary approval, shadow studies are part of the preliminary approval requirement. And so we would like to look critically at, you know, where they are giving the most, most shade versus, you know, so that we could look critically at where they're, where they're needed and not needed. For right now, you know, we were using them in the same way at these bedroom masses where we have that lighter wood material. But we're very open to, you know, looking at we do not want to add unnecessary cost. We do feel that the subtractive decks do have, you know, glass areas that are shaded. And so even if you had to draw your blinds in your living room on some of the windows, we like that the decks are providing some shade so that you could have some windows, you know, without the shades drawn, you know, during those more glary times of the day. And so I think that was part of our our thought was to make sure that we're evaluating that as we move forward into preliminary. And we've we've looked at the shadow studies on a high level, but that would be something that we would get more critical in the next phase of approvals and share those with you guys and be able to have that discussion about, you know, yeah, should they just be on the southern most corner of the building? You know, are they helpful, you know, more, they're not obviously as effective for the east and west facing windows and so we would love to get into get into that in a little more detail and also work with the contractor on what the true cost would be of those. But yeah, we're not married to those in any way. And we're open think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. in previous in previous iterations. And we're open to having the contractor look at this before, you guys were speaking earlier about when the contractor would look at, we would hope that in the next few months that we'll have an updated set of drawings that Hazelden can absolutely look at and give us feedback that we would share with you guys. We know that there have been some evolutions, you know, in materiality and we would like to have, you know, real feedback from them on those material changes. Yep. All right. So, do you, is there any more comments on this side of the building? Just go back, I just want to show the go back one. Let's click back and forth just for a second to show the planner boxes. You can see and the and the bringing of the stone across the whole front as opposed to this. See. Just wanted to point that out. Thank you. Thanks, Betty. And we're really excited about the rusted material. And as we move on to this next slide that's down at the garage entry, this is an area where we are coordinating with the landscape team and the civil team and the idea of that stairway that can allow planting underneath it as Molly was describing. We've talked about locating a wee cycle down here and obviously that ease of getting your bike out of covered storage and connecting down to the rest of snowmass. We're really excited about this area but obviously are very sensitive to the materials and the height of the retaining walls for the plaza. And so we have started showing some type of arrested material that really does relate to our planters, you know, that Molly's been showing and staring throughout. And we think that that earthen material, which was something that you guys had talked about in our last town council meeting, would be nice versus a more concrete, you know, there will be some concrete in the project, but you know, if we can have all of our vertical walls really have that, have that relation to our planters and that relation to town hall, we were excited about bringing in that material to present to you guys today. I couldn't quite hear you're saying you're talking about using rustine steel for the retaining walls surface, is that correct? Or just a little bit? It would be, it could be any of those things. We think it could be a corrugated metal in some areas. It could just be metal panels that are pre-treated to be arrested color. It could, I think that we can form all that. I just can't imagine it. There's beautiful things about that. Yeah. Well, we were told that there wasn't a lot of, I guess, openness to having exposed concrete. And so we've been trying to come up with a different material that might be more earth toned. And so I think that that would be something that we would work with the contracting team. Perhaps there's a way to do integral color concrete on just in a couple of locations that would be more of that kind of brown tone, but that would be something again, we'd love to dive back in with them and figure out how we can work. I think that would be more practical. Yeah. Well, we will work to keep costs, as reasonable as possible. We're also trying to bring in a lot of disparate comments. So there's, I understand. You're seeing that. Designed by can't. Well, it's a apologize for that. And then, as we move around to the backside of the building, we realize we haven't been showing this side as much as we were kind of concentrating on the outward facing part of the building. But this side, we're really excited about. We feel like this is where we're trying our angled decks. really trying to give everybody even on the backside of the building, but this side, we're really excited about. We feel like this is where we're trying our angled decks, are really trying to give everybody, even on the backside of the building, a view out to Ridge lines, some privacy on their decks, and just incorporating the same language that we have on the front with sort of these bedroom masses as a lighter wood material, and our two and three bedrooms have our shed roof forms and then really bringing that rusted metal up our stair and elevator shafts and so that was you know just really giving you guys a sense of how it would feel from the hillside above that debris flow access road and then a peak you know we have the underings that Molly and Sarah presented that are more down at eye level, but this is a little bit more zoomed out, you know, potentially from that bike, the community bike trail connection. I really appreciate we have done with the massing, you know, I think it looks good in the colors and all. I think it really done good. None of that's cheap, you know, every time you turn a corner to cost money, but I think it's good in the colors and all. I think it's really done good. None of that's cheap. Every time you turn a corner across money, but I think it's, we're getting value for it. But on the front corner that we're looking in this rendering, that some shade is facing northwest. I mean, you can see what the shadows don't even affect the windows. So, I don't think you need it. I think the mass scene and the colors are so successful. I don't think you need these little tackons. I was really struck by this image. It's very nice looking from this point of view. I think this really accomplishes more of what I had hoped to see on the front side. In fact, this feels like a front and the other side feels like a back of a building to some non-architectural-brained people. But I'm in front of just like this and add more room. Turn it, you mean? Just add more. Just make another 8. Oh, you know, give it another Z, make it more of a Z shape. Yeah. I mean, no, not, I'm not against exploring this looks so much more. I don't know, it just doesn't, it feels like a cluster as opposed to a wall. And when I looked at this, I thought, wow, this is a really gorgeous backside. It's too bad it's the back and not the front. So just putting that out there. And I think to Tom's point, you know, where things are not really the public facing elements, if we can shave costs, I think that's important. I don't know that it's going to have a dramatic of an impact on people using the trails behind it. And looking, I don't know how many's going to have a dramatic of an impact on people using the trails behind it. And looking, I don't know how many people will be looking at it from this perspective other than users and architectural nerds like me. So these slides are kind of an update, you know, to our juice Photoshop rendering, where we're replacing our rendering in in a photo from juice. So we have our previous sexy option and then we've been working on you know how the materials are rendered and really thinking about the tones of the materials. And I think we're dialing it in to be a little bit more aligned with the hillside itself. And so I think what we're trying to do is really pick browns and blonde colored wood-like materials that really pick more on, this is obviously a winter image with some snow on the ground, but you really are seeing a lot of the natural vegetation of the site. And so we were struck by that and we're really just trying to find ways to adjust the tone of the materials to blend more closely with the site. So while we're relating the town hall with incorporating the rusted metal and the stone, we think actually that the brown tones on town hall maybe are a little bit too saturated. And so potentially we could de-saturate those a little bit and have a little bit more of a matte coloring on the browns that we think would blend better with the natural materials. So that was what we were working on in this view. And then as you go forward. So again, kind of same concept, but we felt like one of the reasons why the 6C version and the last presentation was a little bit, it's just really saturated in terms of the browns. And so what we're looking at here is ways to incorporate a little bit more muted brown colors in the 60 option option and to start to blend it back into the natural tones. And again, this is more of a, obviously a winter image. And so as, you know, as the different seasons kind of play through, obviously the colors and the amount of contrast of our building will change significantly. And so we're looking to get some other views potentially the summer up from the gondola as well and be able to kind of obviously we'll have some time to to hone in on the exact materials that would really blend the building in during the most seasons. And so that was something that we're starting to look at here. And then as you go forward, this was a view. I think we had talked about a while ago. I believe that's the next slide is the far away road. And it's a little hard to see just because we're trying to get it to match and it is quite far away. But there's a ridge line between the snowmass center and our site that you can see if you were to, if you're able to zoom in on this a little bit, Sarah or Molly whoever's driving. But the the ridge line that's there, the kind of aligns with the Kerns Road as it comes up to our site, it actually blocks quite a bit of our building. And so I thought that was really a positive in that it really tucks it behind that ridge line. And you can kind of barely see the top of town hall there. And then our building is really tucked quite significantly behind that. But again, this is another, this is a view that was, I think this is actually a view from Google Earth. And so this is more of a fall view, obviously, with the colors that you're seeing. And so, you do see more of those rusted colors that are more prevalent in the fall. And so that was another kind of an exciting thing that we noticed when we started to incorporate the rested metal. Where's this view taken? That's the end of our presentation, I believe. I'm probably below the ceiling. We're way more. We rode down the stone. I'm sorry. When I asked for that perspective, I was actually thinking of higher on far away where you would be up above base village, can we get up at this this gives me I mean gives me the feedback I was hoping for in that space so. Okay. I drove up a ways and I wasn't sure exactly where I would see it from, but if there is another location we'd happy to look at that at that. Unless others are in the same place. And then I guess yet the last slides are just so. The last one is our update in terms of the revisions for our material palette. And so this was our previous succeed. And then the next version is incorporating the rusted metal and really and just adding in a photo of town hall just to show what the material colors that we are referencing are. And I think what's really kind of nice about it is we're pulling quite a few of the materials over but we're not actually utilizing the red color. And I think the civic nature of town hall having a more prominent red makes a lot of sense and that we're really trying not to draw as much attention and so I think pulling from the more earth-tone colors of town hall but then not bringing over the more bright or civic colors I think is quite appropriate for the housing but yeah this was and update to our material palette. I think it's Ridge Road where you can see it more just off of far away. But far away is- It is Ridge. We're the vast majority of Loop. Yes, your current- And dear, and dear Ridge, I think it is. I just looked on the map. But that being said, traffic is the highest on far away. So a lot more people are going to be seeing it from that angle. Yeah. Well, and I think of that as also your perspective, if you're up on the mountain, the mountain too, from over there. All right. Well, I think that's the majority of our presentation. That's, was there anything else that you wanted to add? No, I don't, I think you pretty much touched on everything. There was a, a drawing of our concept for the point site, which was in that initial site plan, landscape site plan. And it's really seen as a pretty, I don't know, have the architectural terms, but as a not very programmed area, but a more of a laid back, passive recreational spot with maybe some seating and some landscaping and looks like some boulders there to kind of frame out the area, but that it's an inviting place that anyone can use really. So that's the only thing we didn't really touch on. That's the only other thing I might add would just be that when we were looking back at all of our notes and combining all of our meeting notes and listening again to the last town council presentation, what we really tried to do amongst our team was find commonalities in the comments that we received. And we understand, I think maybe Tom had referenced, it is hard because there are kind of subjective aesthetic preferences, but our thought process was to try to find comments that were repeated amongst multiple town council members and then work to incorporate them into the design knowing that we obviously couldn't take every preference, but we felt really good about really listing through common comments and then working to thoughtfully incorporate them. But we completely hear the concern of cost, and that is absolutely something we'd like to get back into with our contractor once we our contractor, once we have, you know, drawings that are more progressed. So that's all ahead. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Erica. It was, it's a hard task. I mean, and I feel like you really, you listened, you were able to do what you could do based on the feedback and the commonalities than what we were saying. And so thank you. We really appreciate it. Feedback on in addition to what we talked about. I want to dominate monopolize, but and I think I heard Britta agree with this thought, which is I mean, I just like to see the renderings with and without those sunshade dudas. And so we could really evaluate if it's worth all the issues. I mean, because I think you've done so much. You've really succeeded with the massing and the colors and the texture. I'm not sure they're really necessary. And I know the comments my colleagues have said, but I think the best way to evaluate it is showed to us both ways and see what we think. Anything else? Any other comments? Susan? No, I mean, it's fun to get to see everything with more detail and landscaping and how people might use the space. And so that's been, I think that's really fun to see. And that makes me excited for the whole project. But, that's not really any other. No. But, uh, should you have a minute? Well, I just a couple of landscape that since we kind of jumped straight into the design. I appreciate that we've gone back and forth for a while and how the bike path situation is going to work. I'm still concerned and now that we've talked through where the snow would be plowed to, you know, one thought I had is kind of off the table. But it's having the pedestrian or bikers on that you part of the road where, you know, the grade isn't great and it's going to be slippery. It's going to be shady. And I'm nervous about, you know, I'd really love to encourage as much bike riding as possible. This is such a prime location to bike to work from, but it makes me nervous. The roadway and the bike interaction there. And if there were another bike path that could perhaps meet up on the, you know, what we're looking at would be the bottom here where they'd come up and around. It's really steep. They really steep by the loop. I totally understand. So yeah, if you're on an e-bike. It might be a bit pretty steep. I would be curious, yeah. Yeah. And without seeing it, what the grade would be like there, it's just a shot in the dark that maybe something like that could work. There was a version a while back with multiple buildings that had us having a bike path that came down around that edge and I just thought that was a meaningful contribution to this space in that it would provide a walking path for kids or any other people that just want to not be interacting with cars as they go to and from. So just that one thought there. I also just really wanted to praise your efforts to make that playground. Not feel like it's just for little kids because I think that's really meaningful. We don't know who the residents will be, but it's wonderful to have a play area believe me. I love playgrounds, but sometimes they're almost like they feel off limits. Once you don't have kids have a certain age and just I really appreciate what you're working on there so thank you for continuing that. Oh and then the underster under the stairs how you'd mention having the stairs raised up just bears like to live under stairs just put that out there for like when we're creating spaces that would be the perfect hibernating location for a bear might want to keep that in mind. I never thought. And just on that we're talking about the core 10 planters on the on the main deck which I think are great but I know if you see the ones down there, whole foods but they're all they get hit by cars and they're all falling apart. So just keep that in mind. Yeah. Oh, and then on the main design, I also just wanted to say thank you, Erica, for a much more dignified entry. I think it's wonderful how it's hiding the garage and it really has an arrival experience that does touch to the Alpine flavor and feels a lot more interesting just dignified like I said. So thank you. Great. I'm just wondering if we might be able to reach a consensus on the sunshades tonight rather than coming back with another, if we looked up the drawing, I'm thinking the drawing from the, in the front, there's, so there's that one with the sunshade and then move along and then that one without a sunshade. That doesn't have a sunshade, really. It's a left. Go back. I mean, it's an applied thing. It's like a. It's an applied thing. You can't walk on. I mean, it sticks out past the building on the left. No, the other side. Yeah. So that area is the most south facing. And we were, so we were trying to cut it back significantly where it's facing east and then only extended to the south and so I would say you know along the lines with what Betsy's asking me we're very open to you know continuing to refine you know where these are most effective you know if they're on the building at all and you. And I guess they are, there's something that we would be happy to continue to refine, but they are, they don't affect the mass singer, and the density, or the ability to really allow us to move forward with the other coordination on the design with the rest of our team. So I think that would be the question is, would that be appropriate for us to submit options for the sentiates in the future, but allow us to move forward towards the preliminary submission. Because we do have to go back to all of our consultants at a kind of a schematic pool and have them upstate. Yeah hang on one sec. Go ahead. I think it's an important decision. I just think that people should see it with and without. This is my fancy math. There's one person that kind of likes it. One person is kind of against it. Three kind of neutrals. If we can ask the design team to come back on that May 5th meeting with what they think the best combo is with some ads, some subtract, let them do their math, understanding the costs, and then on the 5th you'll have public input, you'll have your input, and then you'll know whether you want to submit it, and then you'll have a number of opportunities. Okay, I hear you. Let me just ask my colleagues, if just a matter of tweaking or rendering, wouldn't you like to see without any at all, and if that would be okay, or maybe there's something in between, and then there's this, but I just think, you know, any one of them adds costs to the building. I'm also confused about the utility of these ones. What's that? What's the utility of these ones? Which one? The one on the left side of the drawing? Yes. Nothing. The paradigm. Nothing. It's, we are trying, the feedback we've gotten back for two and a half months. It needs to be broken up with a different. So this is, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but when we do shade studies, those will further add to the breaking up of the masses in my right, because they will create shadowing effects that will those basically face the one on the left, we go around the corner, go to the next rendering when you go around the corner. I guess that one's northeast. Now, keep going. I mean, this one, I mean, the one on the front corner that's facing us, that does nothing. You can see the sun, the sun is just raising it. I mean, yeah, I mean, I would argue. Okay, so. So the letters take, I mean, we heard the feedback. Let us come back to you on the fifth and make it, I just, I don't know if we lost Eric or we lost everybody here. Yeah, I, I could see it being a little naked box looking, but it'd be good to see it. I think you should just see it. And then you can sign. Okay. But also do keep in mind the snow that's going to pile up. There's snow and ice and blow off. I mean, it's an aesthetic choice. It's for aesthetics. And so I think that's the decision. And I was, I guess I was hoping that we could use the May 5th to get the community feedback rather than come back yet again. And then, well, I don't. The next meeting and show us what the next meeting is May 5th. Right. The next. So that's what it's all right. Good by May 5th. Great. But that's what I hope to do. I'm there. I'm not going to look at them, so make the third aggregates at me. The fifth we will come back with what we hope to have the application for and so I mean we you can I don't think we just lost you're you we lost that was okay I'm here she can hear us yeah can you hear us I think the question though Clint is is that the meeting that also getting the feedback? I hope so. Oh, I would argue that we won't have enough time to get the word out for the very very next meeting. I think it's made sense. Yeah. I think this requires a little bit more outreach. If two weeks, right? And I'd really like to see the world on the same page before we present it to the public. I think the May 12th would be a much more realistic. May 12th is a work session. We could change it to a regular meeting, which would then allow us to vote to move it to Paloena, right Jeff? So I think if this is the case, if everyone, if the majority feels strongly that May 5th, we should see it again before, and we need more time to get people here by May 12th, then I think we should make May 12th a regular meeting. Because I think we need to make it, we need to make a decision. Yep. So it does the majority want to see it on May 5th and then make May 12th the regular meeting. I'd be comfortable with May 5th, but either way. I may be virtual on May 12th. So I'm fine with that, but I'll maybe on online. Okay. You too. I mean, the question is how much time do they need to do their work? Well, I mean, it's really a question for Erica because this is really just turning it on and turning it off, sort of giving you those two examples. I'm not sure she's with us. Is she Erica? Are you on there? I'm here. Can you hear me? Yes. The feed wouldn't be coming through the room. She's talking. I can turn on the... Yeah. So I think it's down to my computer. I hate her on your sound. And maybe at least the room here. I'm getting your ears. I'm not sure what's going on. Can you put your mic close to your... Yes, I'm not sure what's going on. Can you put your mic close to your? Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you just need to know if you want to go on the fifth of the twelfth. Okay, so I had two people that want to say one thing. Yeah, I just sound serious. I think after years of conversation and how impactful this major development that we are doing is going to be I'd prefer to have all five of us in attendance for that. So if that means giving it to the 19th, then I would advocate for that. Well, it should be here on the portion of it. I mean, I'm I am fine on the fifth. I feel like people here, if you give them a lot of notice, it doesn't make a difference. Like, I think that's good. Right. Yeah. I mean, in our week, but we won't have had a chance to look at it ourselves again until that we will have the view with it, the view without it. So my biggest, like, the thing that I think it's, it's nice to have like the details dialed, but I think the thing that I really want to buy in from is the view from the gondola. Because that was for me, I was like, oh, that's big. And it's not that I can't digest it and be like, okay, it's big. I'm going to accept that it's going to be big. But I want everyone that's going to show up to see that and just make sure that they feel comfortable with that. And that's like, those are the most impactful. I think the little like tiny details, like I'm okay with that not being done for the meter. that and that's like those are the most impactful. I think the little like tiny details like I'm okay with that not being done for the media. Well, but this will be the last we'll have a chance to act as owners. Boom. Then it's done. But all those little details, I mean, I wish they may love them, they may hate them. You're going to get a lot of you're going to get lots of feedback on. If we do the community feedback on May 5th, can we get some outreach out there like right away to get like I love the idea of a banner? Those are over each. Yeah. Yeah. Can we do a banner on the bridge? Yeah. And because I mean two weeks is two weeks but we still got to get the information out there and that may not happen immediately. But I also think all five of us sitting here have a lot of contacts within this community and it's incumbent upon us to spread the word, via an act which led to capture anybody that we don't know too. And can the outreach information also just for people that can't show up in person, just be like have clear right us also at you know just so we can get the written feedback too yeah. And I would like to have I would like to see as owner every floor plan you know all the all the elevations and renderings you know there's one side of the building we've never seen. I kept that was it that the north east north east side. Yeah, we've never seen that. So, but I just like to see all the plans and everything. I like to see a little more of the landscaping drawing. So we've got the whole package, not just the snippets. Right? And you want that for the fifth. So then, right? Yeah, whatever. So we're supposed to say, okay, let's send it to preliminary. I want to see everything. I don't want to see these snippets doing yet. So do we have time? Because the packet goes out a week from today, or no, a week from one Thursday. Do we have time to get all of that? So we should go to... I'm asking Erica actually specifically, like, do we, can we make that? And I want to throw one more thing out there on that. You're asking Erica. It's an Erica question too, just so she can answer both, because she's not online. Can we also get renderings that have, instead of the green background, something that's a little bit more in tune with what we're actually having with the shale and the sage coloring. It doesn't have to be perfect. But just so that the building looks like it's not sitting in a green meadow, which it will never be in. So that would be helpful. I think for the public. I can differentiate that. Yeah. That's it. Sorry. Did you ever hear that? Can you guys hear me or no? I don't know. Yes. We can hear you. You can. Okay. Okay. So first question, you know, we have been working to get all of our plans and elevations set up. Obviously, we've been concentrating on the renderings, just because of that's how most people will perceive the building. I would say that we're getting pretty close on all of our plans and I would want to check in with my team because I'm having knee surgery tomorrow, so I don't want to speak for them, but I guess is it possible for us to get back to, you know, Clint and Betsy, you know, in the next couple of days, and you know, I'm not sure if Janet's still on the call or not, but, you know, just to talk about the show here, I thought, if they could we should move it to whatever that next meeting was, the work said. Especially will not be. I'm going to be virtual that evening. Well, most of all the information's online. I know you won't be your face in the public. So it's up to you. I don't mind either way. I'm I mean, Janet, you started to say something. You think we can get it for the fifth. So I was just asking Sans Frutti here about changing the renderings and that is a timely task. It takes quite a while to get that dialed in. So if we change it to the sage. Background that will be a little bit of work. We definitely could get the plans together. By next week. It's getting on the ring. The ring rings will take a little more time. It will be on the 19th then. Okay. Air bill beer the 19th. Yep. Okay. And then let's just have everything, everything, you know, ready. Okay. That's great. Okay. Thanks. Okay, anything else we need to do? But I do want to say to the team, I think you guys done a great job. You know, it's hard to deal with the committee. That's how you design a camel, right? Camels are horse designed by committee. But you've listened to us and we're not the easiest, but I think it's coming along. It's going to be good. But then be careful. You know, we'll get a roomful of people and they're going to say, oh, it's too big. Well, we just got, you know, we spent two years working, you know, dealing with this, we understand all the complexities and the issues. We have to understand to take everything with a green saw. Yeah. They did actually vote on a bigger one. In November. It was bigger in November. So that was about the money, not about the design. Yeah. Be clear. Let's not play games. Okay. Are we? Okay. We are good. Thank you all. Really. Thank you. Appreciate it. Bye, Erica. Thank you guys. Thank you. Hope you're sure to do. Okay, Erica. Thank you. Um, Okay. We're a restaurant break. Yes, we're going to take just take a quick break, give you guys time to come up and get put up and then I will take a five minute break. you We're just going to use quickly on this. Let's try. We're just going to use quickly on the system. Let's try it. Can I even imagine? I'm going to start with the first one. I'll click on the right of the button. I'm almost done with it. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm overstepping. I'm almost. 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That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. That's what you're doing. Oh, I did. I've been looking at the representations began ending in glass. It's like I can't see how we are. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, A few better than museum, art museum. It's really to be on the board of the kids. It's all art from all to it is part of our like announcements. Yeah. Um. I think it's been elementary practice. They did a some country day that schools all the way to like ego then. Um, maybe right all to make it really cool. It's and my kids loved it. I mean, my daughter really didn't get that she couldn't just take a living part. But there was, there was plenty that she could interact with. And then my son, you know, just like brought a little character in this character. And these are all the art installations that we were able to like come down and I feel pretty cool. all. All of the stuff off of, I know, because a lot of it was like toys. But um, yeah, but then she got into Nelly, like his character, but he got on it because of them churns. Then it was like, they, um, it's on it's like, it's tried. I think I'll be there. Maybe I'll see some tried. I did. But it's only a month. It's like, you're the old. She's happy. You're seeing through life. Oh, he's 20. There's something. And if you did just. And like, they just turned it. That was a lot of that I got into and it's like, that's like you're and then they started doing like all the kids get to decorate the stickers and the a lot of. And then somebody gets like, you know, space and make their own things and stuff. That's kind of features. Yeah, I was, I was very impressed. But that's the same. Do anything so far. Probably just, just, yeah, I think I mean, the art is going through a spring. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah. What's up on? Thanks. Are you? Really? Having having an issue. Yeah, but I. I just think it's really quick. The team is going to be up to today. And I'm sure the. The. The artist is on the very bottom floor. Yeah. You can figure out how to get it back together. Okay. The downstairs is like a very when you said called like the um. So it is more way more dull. But it was also. It was like the kids. Oh, yeah, he showed when they stepped. I feel like I'm like seeing like double. Yeah, I almost feel like I don't have one of my contacts in. It's fine. And he would not go to the noise on right now. But and then he did like a disco ball. Like wall. So it again, it's kind of like a sea like the airport. Like you see the sky. Okay, I was like, do I need glasses? So they've they've created a wall to take the money or just like, you know, some lab. I need to go on all day. I felt like it was like, to have a recap of what he's doing. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's just that it's like, get a fight to start with. It's very important. It's already anything. I feel like that program is, I know. I know. I think that like that like, that like, I've solved the, how many of the nations from both around the fan club and come out of the news. Um, I voiced my concerns about downtown. You know, I took my sound and I was doing the research of the two record people. Landline is originally and then that's a really close service. I didn't always have to think that but it was because they did do a very well he did and for kids it was a lot of like images that were getting like okay the van de Jong's and on the objects and the yeah the images of him and that space which was really cool yeah so i think it's like the most fun stuff that is like everyone had like plans like to be like successful and and exactly and in like different generations find it like we'll get something very very Jeffie out of it. Um, yeah, that's a good question. But yeah, I do, I do like get when it's like malls out there. There's, there's just like a element that is checking it in. Even if it's not necessarily a whips it in topic, like sitting so and playing it. Yeah, yeah, and I always feel that way about it. It's like the matter is because like we can go out there and know so much of that outdoor art. The things that it got. Which yeah, they're like, I did another. But during that week, we went to all those different places and like interact with interacted with different people in my family and in those like space cells. I'm sure another one. What's the problem? It's a nice, new mural. Yes. He does what they want. He's only going to go out of the house. He's only going to go out of the house. He's not going to go out of the house. He's not going to go out of the house. He's not going to go out of the house. It's all for me to show that all time. It's still with me. And life's. That's our point of each other. 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I have to make it right. OK. Yeah. Maybe that's your coming back in an eye. Where they're performing in Madison. It's like their spring streets at school. That's right. Yeah. I mean, all in the down side. It is. That's your coming back in an eye. Where they're performing in Madison. It's like their spring stress case at school. I mean, all in down. No, they literally had like a rip off the other night. They called it battle of the box. Just like Jason is perfect. Oh my god, she was like literally. She's like, this is going to be so much. I would love to see you guys. I wish you had a really good time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. Are you coming back here to them to fly it out or are you? Thank you for coming. Well, I'm so complicated because the last flight out of here, CNN, Eagle, is a- I mean, I feel like I think it would be, I'm a book to you yet. I was trying to make sure I'll go with the dogs that are in the aminefliet at Denver. I guess everybody, but then those like, well, movies ran a car, like, imply the aminefliet at Denver, I guess everybody, but then those like, well, maybe you run a car like I'm flying down which and then back in the bus and with us. I'm sure they are. I'm just trying to figure it out. And it's like there has done a better job. We could carpool and then maybe I could take you to Denver. Yeah, I was thinking about going on and being really. Yeah, no, but this wouldn't make sense. It's the end of the day. They fly over. Yeah. Already on the other. My kids on. Would you be over there? I'm not going to be really. Yeah, no, but this wouldn't make sense. It's being as they fly over. Yeah. Already on my kids on. Would you be over there? Honestly. Wednesday night, Eli has a performance that's in call. So I can't really lead to optics. Like, it's really, I think it felt like that. It's like, I don't mean I just, I hope that would be going from. I'm about to help you. 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I'm really nice. Yeah I mean let me know if it works. I can make me work. But you could leave right at 3 and go to bed. Yeah. My flight set like 6. It's only an hour and 15 minutes from there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right when it's done. Bubble. Yeah. Yeah. Just shut down the line. Where's the blue? It was like, whoa. Oh, wait a minute. What product to shoot? It just was like, I don't want him if I try to catch the plane as well but I miss it. I can't even. And ever since you don't know if it's like watch category or or It just was like I don't want him if I try to catch the plane. Well, but I miss it. You're doing it never since you don't know if it's like watch category or or you need to sit in. Yeah, to be there for a good. Okay, first you worked on. I would actually teach that. I talk about that. Yeah, like they all are. Yeah. Okay, guys, we're going to cut our losses with trying to do the feed that we're doing. We've got a backup and we'll do some editing after the fact, but we can restart the meeting when you're ready. Ready, Mayor. We just don't have the feed going directly to our website right now. And so tomorrow when I do some switching out of videos will have as much of a continuity of the meeting as I can muster. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. It is 641. We are back on with our amazing tourism group. Welcome to the meeting. Well, you have to say. Thank you. And we're here tonight really just to give you an update. We did send the 2024 annual report and I put a hard copy in front of you if you'd like it. The other report is a flipbook. We've also sent that out to our we presented it and sent it to our tourism board members and our tourism stakeholders last week. So today we're just going to talk a little bit about kind of bringing the key highlights out of that book and sort of each teams initiatives key initiatives from last year. Just a quick outlook, just kind of how we're doing so far this year. The latest numbers are from March 31st. Winter is pacing down a little bit, 4% down in occupancy. We are buoyed up a little bit by the revenue, the average daily rate is up 2.2%. So the total revenue or revenue per available room is just 2.2%. So the total revenue or revenue per available room is just down 1.8%. At the same date March 31st, the future six months, which would be made through September, excuse me, also looks down in total paid occupancy of a negative 6.5%. Again, the rates holding up the total revenue average daily rate is up 2.8%. Revenue is down 3.7%. At this point. A little number of space when it's down is based on. It's based on year over year. So what we're seeing this summer. That period period time last year forecasted at this time of year. Yes. Okay. Yeah. But what you'll probably see in the coming months is that these numbers tend to fill in as we go through April, May, June. You know, we expect that the summer will fill into some extent. But we have also seen a little bit of this trend of a little bit lower occupancy higher rate. And I'll speak a little bit more to that as well. In your book, you'll see, we've done, like historical look at both winter and summer occupancy. And as you'll see, the growth rate from 2017 to this past year isn't really that significant. The winter occupancy is actually slightly negative and the overall growth over those years for summer occupancy is under 6%. I've also called out the highest occupancies we see in winter and summer and the years that we saw those just as a reference point. What has grown really significantly and I don't think this is the surprise to this group is the total revenue that we were seeing based on our average daily rate and you'll see those really large increases in our revenue per available room of 73% over 73% in winter, and 241% in summer. We've come a long way in terms of our revenue. And on the following graphs, you'll see the corresponding sales tax and lodging tax that has been collected from those increased rates. Again, pretty significant increases in total revenue collected there. I also did a little bit of a dig in and just looking at daily occupancy and I wanted to include this chart to show we pulled out August and September and the daily occupancy. And when we have presented the destination management plan and talking about growth in the business in the season of, you know, in certain seasons, this graph really highlights how events like Labor Day weekend and balloon festival and perhaps leaf peeping really are driving our weekend business. You'll see those really high peaks. And then you'll see these valleys that go fairly low. And one thing that we are looking at to really support local businesses, and we had a pretty robust conversation with our tours and board about this. When we're talking about bringing in more business, we're talking about filling in some of these peaks. Our tours and businesses really rely on this occupancy outlook to see how they're going to staff their business, how they're going to order food for their restaurants, and really how they're going to sustain their business. And these peaks and valleys don't really illustrate a super sustainable tourism economy for us. So we're not talking about, you know, raising the numbers of people here on Labor Day or Fourth of July or Balloon Festival. We're looking at some of these midweek times where our businesses have much lower occupancy and there's less people spending money in local businesses. And we'll talk a little bit about the initiatives for that. Drew's gonna talk a little bit about group sales. Obviously it's a decline when people go back to school. The kids go back to school and people go back to their kind of daily lives. So it would require different initiatives to really fill that in. And I think that after Labor Day, the school has a big impact, right? It's huge, yeah. And so your weekends might be good, but during the week, no matter what you do, you're not gonna draw a lot of people. Well, that's why're going to talk about some group sales initiatives and some marketing initiatives that would drive different types of business models so that our local businesses have a more sustainable business during this time. There's similar, a similar outlook if we pulled like December, you'll see like early December, you know, there's not much going on here and then then the holidays are really busy. And that's where group sales comes in very strongly as bringing in that midweek business. And Drew's gonna jump on in a few minutes and talk about how we attract ski groups in different business that would fill that in. That seemed to be very strongly supported at our tourism board level in terms of like really kind of providing a more consistent business model for them in these times where we're seeing these really big peaks and valleys. So I just wanted to illustrate that it's not necessarily more people when we're busy. It's really just having more sustainable business. Looking ahead a little bit, I wanted to mention that we do have some negative factors, which I'm sure you're pretty aware of impacting overall US travel. We are a destination that relies quite heavily on international travel, particularly in the winter season. We don't spend a lot of our money on international, that's really the Aspen skiing company, but we do some international public relations in the UK and Mexico. Travel sentiment for international travel into the US right now is very low. There are a lot of countries, several countries are having travel warnings and advisories against travel into the US right now is very low. There are a lot of countries, several countries, are having travel warnings and advisories against travel into the US. And of course, there's economic volatility and exchanging rates in our key markets. What it was. I'll just sound some exchange rates might be in our favor right now. Sorry, I heard a question. I'll show you that in a minute. I was just curious what the the percentage in the winter time like what are the percentages from international travel. Yeah domestic we don't have those exact numbers that'd be something that the skiing company probably has but I will say that it's significant is my understanding and that there's also concern for this coming winter from our tourism stakeholders that are already seeing the impact of bookings for next winter. And we do know the impact on January with Brazilians and Australia. So overall numbers, we might not have exact, but we know that they fill the gap when we're slow otherwise. And so the timing of them showing up is almost as important as the quantity of them showing up because they show up in January. January and totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they stay longer and they tend to spend money because they're staying longer and really investing in a longer stay given the time of travel. Was there some indication that there was something like a 20% lower booking from Brazil, Mexico and Australia at this time than usually? Was that correct? But booking or January of next year? I don't have actual bookings into the resorts. That's something that probably has been skiing company as in terms of like visitation. But that would be they wouldn't know that forecast yet. But they are seeing the hotels are seeing a decline in international bookings already for next winters. What I heard at the tourism board. Is that something we can ask ECOP for, like a historic percentage of, but they'd be open to sharing it or typically not. Okay. No. We typically don't get those numbers to report on. I think they could give us some perspective on it, but I know that they should. In some of our group sales are also like Australian international. Our group sales are focused on the domestic market. But okay, I thought occasionally we got. We do some public relations in the UK and Mexico, but we're not actually selling and that we really rely on the skiing company to do that internationally. We'll sometimes partner with them on some initiatives, but we're not really investing heavily in international because that's what their work really investing in. Under so, so if we have like an international group like I'd friends come with the dental association of Australia, that sales is being done through SkiCo. Most likely, yeah. Okay. I don't think I don't know of any in my past year where we have any international visitation through group other than like maybe MTS that we hosted last week or certain groups that might have like an international office but our group sales are focused on domestic companies. Okay, understood. This graph will show you, I pulled this from January through March, some data on international travel into the 10 busiest airports in the United States. And you'll see the top line, which is purple, is the US citizens are still pretty happy to travel abroad. That spike is likely spring break travel into Mexico and Europe and other places. The bottom graph shows international arrivals into the United States. And for that period, it's over 18% down. I pulled some data from tourism economics that forecasts tourism impacts. And the latest thing I pulled was their forecasting a 12% decline in visitation to the US in 2025 in bound travel over on a national scale could fall by again 12% which would amount to a $22 billion annual loss for the US travel industry. Probably no surprise Canada is expected to have the steepest decline. And as I mentioned earlier, the value of currencies against the US dollar, I did pull this last week. So these are just rough guidelines, but it's becoming more difficult for our key markets, like Australia, Mexico and Brazil to travel to the United States, while our visitors might not be super price conscious, that these are pretty significant, you know, double-digit declines in their value of their currency against ours. And I think Australia and Brazil are two markets that were already in recovery since the pandemic in terms of their travel into the United States. Australia has deferred most of their travel to Japan. And so I think that it just shows that we need to be competitive and people are shopping around for other markets that are looking for value, not necessarily price conscious, but looking for value. So that's just a quick outlook. As I mentioned, I think filling in some of these need periods that we're talking about really building business and supporting local businesses really relies on our group sales efforts. That's a really key part of, I mean, they all kind of work together, but groups is really where we can pull business into midweek and times that aren't necessarily very sellable like early December is a hard sell because people are waiting for their, you know, holiday period, September can be a hard sell because people are on the school schedule and that's where really groups can be strategic and really work to drive those need periods. And I'll let you are you available to jump in on the sort of wrap up. I certainly am and I can give you a little bit of rundown if everybody can hear me correct. I apologize for not being up there this evening. Yeah, you sound good. Perfect. So I'll add a little bit to what Julia was just rolling out there. I also will not put myself on video as taking a cue from the draw site conversation and trying to keep bandwidth on the internet available unless choppy. But I'll give you initially a rundown of what we looked like in 2024, what we looked like so far in 2025, and then some of those strategies that we're putting in place to try to fill some of those gaps, not only this year, but for future years down the road. One of the things we do try to keep in mind is what we're gonna look like two try to fill some of those gaps, not only this year, but for future years down the road. One of the things we do try to keep in mind is what we're gonna look like two, three, four years from now. Group business tends to fill in those gaps early, and they were able to yield up from there in rate, and also just kind of spread that love around town. So everybody's full, everybody's happy. So just quick recap on 2024, really promising year for us. And this really gave us that indication that we're truly back as a destination coming back out of COVID. We saw the highest second highest year of production on record. And we really just started tracking these numbers in 2017. The busiest year that we saw on bookings, which is not business in town, but it's business being booked for either this year or future years. So 2024 and beyond. That was the second highest number we've seen. It was just over 33,000 room nights booked for 24 and future years. That's more than 11,000 that we did in 2023. So we saw massive gains in what we were doing and the strategies that we were seeing take effect. A lot of that did come from multi-year programs. So if we're catching something, We're not only catching it for one year, but we're saying, hey, if you're coming back on rotation, let's get you back in 2027 and make a deal. It makes sense to get those numbers on. did come from multi-year programs. So if we're catching something, we're not only catching it for one year, but we're saying, hey, if you're coming back on rotation, let's get you back in 2027 and make a deal that makes sense to get those numbers on the books early. So then we can focus on other things to fill in additional gaps between now and then rather than doing a lot of last minute attempts at booking. Those results also showed future year promise where we were at 9300 plus roommates on the books for 26 and 6,400 on the books, almost 6,500 on the books for 20, 27. Both of these are indicating that we're well ahead of pace for future year production, whereas we were a little bit behind doing that coming out of the pandemic. This gives us that better basic business to then again, book into moving forward. So really promising signs that we saw last year, not only on the production side, we're slightly behind in actualization, so the roommates that did stay in snowmass and actually come to fruition, they were slightly behind by about a thousand over 2023. That's indicated by the crossover number that we saw a little bit behind as well. That number has gone back up in 2024, going into 2025. So we do feel like that number of actualizations is probably going to be a little bit ahead of average between 25 and 27,000 actualized room nights in town. On 25, really similar to how we started off 2024, we had a very similar Q1 with the exception of the actualized room nights. So again, those ones that are coming to fruition in town, we were quite, quite far ahead. So we this year were just behind last year's production as last year was the record year that we had in Q1. Just under 8,000 and what last year was just over 8,000 so relatively flat, but a little bit behind if you're looking at the granular stuff. And then the actuals are the things that actualized in town were up 4,000 room nights year over year. So huge gains that we saw we had about 8,000 actualized last year were up to 12,000 this year. And that's not even including things like DAV and MTS, which fall just outside of Q1. So still really strong potential for what we're going to see in Q2. Really strong lead volume as well to start off the first half of Q1. But that's going to kind of be reflected in the ski segments that we saw there. And we saw a massive fall off when we got into March. We started seeing a little bit more of that inconsistenciesency, some of those question marks in the economy. We started seeing that fall off a little bit, and that is one of our main concerns is that the volume isn't necessarily going to be there, especially in certain markets moving forward. So what do we do is we try to get ahead of all those things and make the best guesses based on what we're hearing in the marketplace, what we're seeing, different places have a strength, where others have weakness. government business for example was one that we had potentially targeted to try to fill some of those summer months, some of those fall months. Federal government business is just not something that's going to be an option for us anytime soon until that settles a little bit. And we get our feedback under us in that segment. Corporate business has also shown to back off their decision making a little bit because of just uncertainty on finances and what spending is going to look like for the rest of the year. We do see that kind of trickling through. Still, it's not dead, but it is backing off. The hope on that is we'll see a massive influx once things stabilize a little bit. Those will be short-term bookings that will actualize within, I don't know, somewhere between a 60 and 90 day period once they do book. So that does give us a little bit of hope for the rest of 2025 and maybe some short term opportunity there. Good news is with some of those downsides is we do have targets that are pretty bulletproof right now One is being the association segment Big target for us you saw those gaps in September you see those gaps in December you see them in the summer months as well Association business is a little bit lower rated. They're not gonna quite bring the strength of ADR that corporate's bring. Good thing is if you look around any city in the US tends to be September and October one of two of the busiest months of the year. Those are our need months of the year, especially September, knowing that we don't operate quite as much in October, but that's where association digs in. And if they're now finding availability in the cities, bylaws with associations tend to make them meet multiple times a year, smaller board meetings, etc. That's a place where we can capitalize and really fill those midweek gaps. It has less to do with kids going back to school. It's people that are going to be required to go to these meetings. That's both associations statewide and nationally. So that I think that's one of our good opportunities. One of the things that Julie mentioned is we have some opportunity to be better targeted with these opportunities. being that we're bringing on a system called Noland that we just signed up for for the next year. Noland gives us a much more targeted approach to the business that we're going after. And unfortunately, I don't have an example that I can show you in real time just yet, but that is coming. And what it'll look like is I can take anywhere from June to September specifically, run a search for organizations, let's say associations specifically that have all touch ski resort destinations. We can actually filter that out by where they've been. We know if somebody's been to Park City multiple times. Maybe they're looking for a change that somebody we can go after puts no mass on the radar and really try to drive them into those need periods that we're looking for. So there has been a lot of good signs, there are a lot of potential red flags out there, but with then the strategies that we have in place. And some... and really try to drive them into those need periods that we're looking for. So there has been a lot of good signs. There are a lot of potential red flags out there, but with then the strategies that we have in place and some of the tools that are coming, I do feel pretty good that we can really make a focus on driving and getting ahead of any of that downturn that we may see for the rest of the year. So a little bit of good, a little bit of bad what we're seeing right now, but everything is pretty good so far. Coming out of Q1, we just need to be ahead of where the potential downfall might be in the rest of the year. Thank you, Drew. And I ask a group sales question. That's absolutely. Of course. Thank you, Drew, quick question. So when you're booking group sales, do you book during peak times of the season or do you really try to focus on the lower capacity times of year? I mean, I'm just curious if group sales are coming in right over the holidays and some of our peak times here as well, just to that. The answer is kind of both. Group sales always tend to exist regardless of whether we're talking about peak versus non-peak season. Peaks season tends to be more of the incentive market and then the fillers where we're getting more at midweek trying to keep them off the weekends are going to be continuing medical education, doctors, dentists, lawyers, etc. They're coming in for their credits and education conferences. The other piece of that is our ski clubs which fill the condos or at least least the base business of the condos during peak season. We don't do it during holidays, typically that's pretty rare that we see anything in there or that the hotels and lodges would be willing to take something like that at that time. Mainly because they're premium times. We want to make the most money as possible during those times of the year. So the answer Yes, it tends to be more high-end, high-dollar groups, corporate incentive, etc. Whereas in the summertime, we're kind of wide open. We're building whenever we can into those time periods, which is why things like government previously, not so much anymore, but government association, let's say weddings, you know, smurf type things, social type things. That's when those would fill in on a little bit lower if a dollar. Thank you. Thanks, any other questions for Drew? Group sales before we move to marketing? Thanks, Drew. Very welcome. Okay, onto Virginia. Okay. So quick look, we thought we would share with you our summer marketing goals. These really have been tried and true for many years, but just as a reminder of what we're really trying to accomplish. In terms of our national campaign, that is our big advertising, that is to drive awareness and consideration. So people know what snowmass is if they haven't heard of it. And then to bring them into choosing snowmasses as their vacation destination. So it's to bring them to the snowmass community. We want to ultimately increase occupancy. We want to definitely lift those trops and make sure that we have people here during those key summer months. And as we've talked about before, it is part of what we've been planning that it's really when we want the village to be on and activated and not really not outside those times but creating that consistency across the board is important for us. The local promotions, there's a lot that goes into this but it's making sure that we're generating interest inside the valley so whether that's visitors to Aspen or residents of the valley to come here and be part of what we do, whether it's snowmass events, activities, I call it spend a day, spend a dollar. So it's just an opportunity to spend time here and add to the vibrancy of the village. And then of course supporting stakeholders. So we do a lot to promote local businesses, provide marketing support to them, and really boost community morale. And the more that everybody knows about the great things happening in the village, the higher morale is and the more we feel proud of our community and destination that we're sharing with visitors. So the quick look at our summer campaign has actually already launched. We have highly targeted audiences. These are the Geos that we target. And these are the people who are the most likely to travel here based on the nonstop flights that we might have or the types of visitors that they, of people that live there that are visiting snowmass. So that typically ramps up in April. It ramps down through the end of September, our fall campaign, all of the visuals on that are so appealing that we tend to get really strong engagement with it. And we're also doing event-specific marketing to promote our concerts, rodeo, Americana Weekend, Ball balloon festival, and October Fest. It gives people a more specific call to action, like a sense of urgency to get here now, or plan for this particular event. So we tended to keep those event promotions more in the valley or in Colorado, and we're actually sending those out to our national audiences as well to make sure that we are giving people a reason to get really excited to come to Snowmass. So a quick look for you on the summer media mix. This is all of the different places that you will find Snowmass. And so there are airport video boards. Those are in the terminals that offer the non-stop flights to Aspen Airport in Dallas, Houston, and Austin. And then everything else here is such a top performer for us. We have optimized these channels over and over again. And you'll see outside 5,280 Texas monthly, those are all magazines that we used to run print ads with. And we really have pulled the print dollars and we've put them into digital partnerships with those publications. And the idea is we can still get in front of their audiences without spending so much on one single page. Give people more of an opportunity to engage with us. So no more print just just digital now? Correct. Yes, I mean, there's out of home Spotify is audio. We have connected TV, so those are video spots, lots of video on YouTube and all of the meta channels, but definitely not print magazines. Why don't you do airport video boards in Chicago? Why don't we? Mostly because of the cost of them. And in Texas, we can be more targeted and we really can, we like to play on how hot it is in Texas. Yeah, I was thinking that I saw there all. And how cool it is here. And so it is a very easy sell there. We also know that we have such a high level of visitors from Texas, from those three markets. And we also wanted to support, in particular, the Austin market, because that flight, the airlines airlines are gonna invest in markets that have a ton of opportunity for us and that Austin market really needed the support and so we wanted to make sure that we were demonstrating. Lies in Austin. American dust. The American team. Just on that topic too of the question about Chicago, I think it's something to just kind of keep in our minds when we're working through the destination management plan to. If we want those grateful guests, I think we've got kind of a very niche group that we're always targeting, maybe looking at Montana Midwest, you know, just branching out a little bit and give that an exploration in some of these spaces at some point. I realize that you have an algorithm that gets you to why we are advertising where and it makes sense. But as we're trying to diversify and expand and bring in people with different interests and perhaps an appreciation for the mountains that others share in a different way. Yes. It could be fun to explore those other locations. We definitely do a lot to within Colorado and the drive markets and actually during COVID, we expanded how we defined a drive market as 12 hours because we're like people are willing to drive. However far now, a lot of these, you write about the algorithms because what we're looking at is what do they have in terms of air lift and you know is it easy for them to get here? Do they have the types of people who want to be playing in the mountains? And the other thing, especially in the winter, this is less the case in the summer, is that our rate is so high that it can be really challenging. I mean that's what we keep seeing is rate keeps growing. And so the summary that I think you're right, we have a greater opportunity to expand those audiences. And one of the ways we do that, although it's not called out here, is through our outside buy. We actually do placements on pink bike and a lot of mountain bike specific sites so that we're reaching people who are really interested in that. And if it is specific to that one interest area that it's not, you don't have to be in Dallas to see that. That's national. Yes. Great. Is there any any coordination and targeting like the further markets like New York? Just because they have the nonstop, but it's such a limited period of time to EGLE. But presumably that serves us too. Is that correct? Definitely. And so we do target New York, but we don't target the city, the metro area specifically, because the ad rates are so incredibly high, that we will, it's not that we don't speak to them at all, but we typically will not do the out of home buys with them connected TV is incredibly expensive in the New York metro area. So we actually reach to New York State. You'll see if you want to go back to the list of markets. Miami is one of them. It's really strong for us that that's not a direct fly. San Diego same thing. We don't have. Is it Miami direction? The winter time to have eagle? I think it is. The eagle, yes. Yes. Yes. I'm not curious because those non-stops with an hour and a half drive are definitely serving our market too. Yes. They should be in theory. Most definitely. And, really, they just have New York, but it is it is cost prohibitive. It's like we'd have to wipe everything else just to be able to hit New York City specifically. And there's such a natural alignment with New York City that I think we get a lot of really strong word of mouth and we also have like ski co that goes into those markets as well. So Atlanta for example is now direct and then in the winter we will introduce Charlotte and that will also open up a whole new area for us as well. And so we were looking at that today actually in our strategic planning session with the airport about what some of the opportunities are if and when we do have an extended closure. And also starting to build up those markets that fly into Eagle so that we can start to build up those markets that fly into Eagle so that we can start to build them now and get people used to that versus, you know, asking them to come here. I'm always really surprised at how limited the service in the Eagle is. Yeah. And just like hearing this, I'm like, oh, that's how you generate more interest from the airlines. because I think that this market would use it. I know my family would use it a lot more if there was anything additionally offered there. At Eagle Airport? Yeah, and I think if people, you know, Eagles, a bigger airport, it's more dependable. So, Taurus also knowing that they can fly in there and have an easy service to get to Snowmass is just it's an interesting, it's an interesting target and you write that airport closure will provide us an opportunity to like see how much more we can maybe get out of that. Definitely. Yes, it's not far for a lot of people, especially when you compare it to driving from Denver. And we've actually seen in the increase in the airport numbers that I think more people are flying directly into Aspen rather than flying to Denver and driving than used to just because the rental car rates have gone up. The air airfare has gone down and so there's a better balance to get people straight into Aspen. Yeah, and so there's a better balance to get people straight into Aspen. Yeah. And I70, if the canyon's okay, is more dependable between Eagle and Here versus I'm sure people are less wanting to get on to drive all the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Was just sharing here a few new summer ad versions that we have a bounty of ad versions that talks specifically about mountain biking that talks specifically about hiking and our events, but in this case, we just put some new ad versions together that we shot last summer to be able to really speak to the families and speak to the views and the peace. And one of the things like in the bottom right corner that biking ad, for example, we have so many that are incredibly advanced mountain biking and people flying off of features in the bike park. And so showing biking in a way that is really approachable and enjoyable. the word no. So yes, it is important to us. And I'll note as well that, you know, to your point earlier, Tom, about September and, you know, all the families are going back to school. We certainly know that. Notice that. And we see in the data that we tend to fall off in terms of visitation midweek then. But there's a lot of ways to solve for that. And so one, of course, drew in groups. The other is Shane and making events happen. And then also really appealing to the mountain bikers, the younger travelers, younger professionals without kids. There are so many people out there. And although we absolutely crush it with families, there's so much more here than just family activities and we certainly see a great opportunity to build September with those travelers. I just wanted to give you a quick look at this is a storyboard. So sorry these are different frames but a storyboard for what will be in the Texas airports on the video boards and so we're just again appealing to the families it you know it looks cool and beautiful here and we're showing how easy it is and so these this is the kind of messaging that you're going to be seeing in those airports. Oh, no worries. Okay, so to do something fine and new, we are working with a new piece of technology. It is an AI chatbot that helps you plan your trip to Snowmass. And you know, we say often that we are looking to, we don't sell anything, we don't transact on our website. So we have two products and their inspiration and information and this tool will allow us to speak to both of those. And so this is this actually installs on our website on our social channels so on Facebook and Instagram and then also on WhatsApp it's called guide geek and if anyone's used it anywhere else or if you haven't, you should. Don't use it for snowmass yet. We haven't talked about yet. So, but when we do, I think it will be a great travel planner for people so that you could type in, I want to come to snowmass with my family in July. When should we come? What should we do? What are free activities? What are fun hikes to do? And it can help you get through to the information that will serve you best. So we get, once we begin to install it, we get to teach it where to find the right answers to questions of what kinds of things we want it to promote and to talk about. And then we are able to capture all of the data and all of the questions that everyone's putting into the tool. And then as we look for a year or more from now as we're building out a new website or trying to optimize our website and our marketing messages, then we know what people are looking for. What don't they know about Snowmass? What are the things that are most commonly being asked? So it's a great opportunity for us and really fun to integrate some new technology. When you're teaching a bot, do is it accidentally learn things wrong? Like, oh, I'm sending everyone to Aspen for this particular restaurant or is there ways to un-teach it? Something if it's giving out information that doesn't really guide us where we want to go? Yes, and that's why rather than going to chat GPT to ask it things, and chat GPT is typically not great for travel because it tends to be data that's six months old or older. And so this is something where we can teach it where to pull from. So it doesn't get confused between the Cripshack and Aspen and the Cripshack and Snowmass. So it's not trying to send you somewhere, you know, or it's not trying to tell you to come here on October 15th, right, when we don't have the gauntlet running. So yes, we do get the to teach it. We haven't begun the process yet, but we've done the initial overview and we feel pretty confident that we can get it to to give correct, you know, accurate results, but also ones that are preferable for us. And end up to date too. Yes. Like pretty up to date. Yes. I've always like wanted to, and this is more oriented towards locals, but I always want to see like a selection of places that are open this time of year, or if anyone's doing a deal or like, I want to go out and give my business to places that might be open, even if it's a week after the mountain closes, but it can be hard to find. It is hard to find. Google is often inaccurate. Yeah. Yes, and I tell you what, we work on this all the time with our stakeholders and I I really appreciate that so many people own the business, run the business and handle the website and and and. But updating Google business listings, I mean, that's a reminder that we send out to our stakeholders all the time. They're tired of hearing it from us, but it is really easy to forget to change your hours on Google and really upset whether it's locals or visitors. Yeah, I mean the Nell and Jerome yesterday both were showing open and they were not both. Yeah, there you go. Yes. Okay, so just a little bit of data to share with you. We used this tool called Placer that allowed us to look at how people come into and out of the village. We really appreciated about it that it could look back five years and we could see how things have changed over time about how people have come into the village. So a couple of things that I'll share with you, these are not going to knock your socks off, but what it's going to tell us is that our gut understanding of how people visit snowmass is right on. And so sometimes the validation of the data behind a lot of the anecdotal and experiential information that we have is really helpful. So this is looking 2020 to 2024 just summer seasonality. What's happening between June 1st? and experiential information that we have is really helpful. So this is looking 2020 to 2024, just summer seasonality, what's happening between June 1st and September 30th? Unsurprisingly, start slower in June. It ramps up in July. We see that drop off in August. We get a big spike for Labor Day. And then we kind of get these highs and lows during September. And at the end there is a balloon festival. You tell me where is the information coming from from place or AI. Oh, sorry, we're tracking everyone's cell phones. Everyone who comes into the village and really anyone who's going anywhere ever, your location is tracking somehow through one of the apps that you have on your phone. And so this aggregates all of cell phone, everyone's cell phone data. And so when actually you see here I put summer 2024 visitors, 77% were from out of town and 23% were local. So what that means is that they're home location, meaning where your cell phone bills to is 30 miles or more away from here. So that's out of town versus local. So yes, it's big brother and he's watching all the time and there's nothing we can do about it. Yeah winter seasonality, again, not surprising, but just nice to see it visually. Is that starting November 20th? You know, of course, it's slow to start. We get a big, big peak in December. It comes back down in January. We continue to have some consistency. We get a boost for presidents, for spring break, and then it dies down. And so in the winter, 89% of the visitors, that means people spending more than a few hours at a time in the village were from out of town. Again, not surprising, but just nice to see. It helps me trust the data to see that they have this right. So when we move into some other pieces, we thought we would look at event attendance. We wanted to understand things like how many people that are coming to the concerts, how many are locals? Well, now we have the answer. So looking at last year at our concerts overall, we're looking at unique attendees, not if I went to the concert 10 times, I'm one, I'm not 10. So looking at the concerts, 64% of all unique event attendees were from the Roaringport Valley, so Aspen to Glenwood. 2% were regional, which is about a two-hour drive, 6% were other major Colorado markets, Denver, Boulder for Collins, and then 28% of concert attendees were from outside of Colorado. I like to see that 19% of all attendees are from Snowmass Village itself. That makes me feel really good. 12% are from Aspen, so obviously a huge community event, a great chance to come together. I'm also happy to see that there is that balance of people coming from outside of Colorado. West, Jen, those of us have a cell phone from our past with a different extent. I mind New York City. Will that track your home? Well, wherever it builds to, it doesn't matter what your area code is. It matters. Okay. Okay. I just wondered if you're tracking me as a visitor. No way. We got you. And I thought it was nice to see that we've had 80% growth in concert attendance since 2018. That's pretty cool. And it's going to get even better this year, because Shane's lineup is amazing. For the rodeo. So last year's rodeos had 35% more in Port Valley attendees, 5% regional, which I think is influenced by the competitors, 3% from elsewhere in Colorado, 54% from outside of Colorado. And so I think that shows us a lot of visitors are coming to the rodeo. They're really drawn to it. And it's a great way to get people here, especially from Aspen if they're visiting there. 15% of our attendings are snowmass village residents. And we've seen 47% growth in attendance since 2021. Do you have the totals up? I do. I thought it was interesting to that the radio has a higher number of attendance unique visitors than our concerts. So it's funny. I pulled those off. I have them in the notes just because it's a little misleading because it is unique attendees and not the number of people who went. So again, I'm only one not 10. So if I look at that at the concerts, it was just under 12,000 attendees and the rodeo was just over 18,000 attendees. I just thought that was interesting. Just remember on that, that fact that a lot of the participants of the concerts come to multiple concerts. Even though they came to 10 concerts and only counts as one person. Now people go to multiple rodeo rodeos, go to one of summer. Yeah, I mean, I don't imagine there's people attending 10 rodeos for the most. Unlikely. But unless you're the competitors. So, okay, looking at that balloon festival. So in 2024, 50, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, 70, okay, looking at Balloon Festival. So, in 2024, 57% were from the Rohingt pork valley, 11% are Stomach Village residents. 14% are regional, which shows a strong drive market for this, which I think is fantastic. 13% from elsewhere in Colorado, 15% from outside of Colorado. And that's a number that we think that we can boost. We think we do have room for more occupancy at that time to bring people in peak fall foliage, amazing experience, definitely an opportunity for us there. And then we just looked at a New Year's Eve because it's just a specific date that lots of people come to Snowmass and they're all concentrated in the village because we're creating geographic boundaries of where people physically are. So in that case, 16% are from the Rohingya Pork Valley, 78% are from outside of Colorado. Again, not surprising. I'm so sorry. What do you mean by near-seef? Near-seef. So people coming to the village and spending multiple hours in the village on near-seef. So meaning like base village? Yes. Okay. Got a base village. So does it count as subordinate or a hall? Do you have to come to the hall? Correct have to come into the into the base base village, the mall and Fanny Hill is the polygon. We drew. Sorry, and that one. Did you have a total for the festival? Data away from there. So curious what kind of attendance balloon is the most misleading. So we had 5,400 attendees. But lots of people come multiple days and so so that's not, it doesn't really align with what we saw for number of people on the field at any given time. Yeah, we figure about 3500, 4500, 4000 people attend balloon fest each day, Saturday and Sundays a little bit later. So we're probably not a half the amount of people. Yes. Like you said, we do repeat businesses. That's also a hard one to track, because you can see it from so many places, right? Yes, and so we did, we did very carefully draw the boundaries of what that would look like. And so we were trying not to capture the rec center. We were trying not to capture people on the golf course. So you can draw the lines pretty clearly. I don't think those would skew the numbers too heavily, but it is very specifically drawn for people are. I think that's super helpful for understanding parking and other logistics or at any event of that magnitude. Yeah, most definitely. Okay. Thanks, any other questions on marketing? Otherwise, we'll move to the event program for the summer. I do have one question. So the poll flags that are out on the various polls, how frequently do you update those? It looks like you've got some beautiful new photography. And I'm curious if those are somewhere on the horizon. They are few. Yes. So we redid them in 2022 when we refreshed our logo and our campaign. And so starting this summer, we're going to go into a creative concepting campaign to begin to shoot for winter and then next summer so that we can launch a new campaign about a year and a half from now. So August of 26 is when our new winter campaign would launch. If the look and feel is quite different, then we certainly could to better align with campaign. But it's a fairly pricey, there's so many of those banners that have to go up that it's a fairly big investment. So we replace them as they come down. But if they get worn out or faded, so earliest would be about a year and a half from now for you to replace them. And then the blue effect is because they look better at night in the light. Is that the reason why they're blue? It's based on our campaign on our branding. The brand look and feel and the style guide that we created and the stripe that we use to separate the blue tones is meant to it's meant to really align with the stripe on daily. But a lot of people ask me if that was a misprint or the ink didn't work out properly because it looks blue. And I just, I thought it was a, an intentional effect. Yes. When the light is shining on it, it actually amplifies the image when I have to win a street lamp is shining on. Yep. That will ask clover. love all the night. If you drive out at night. Yeah. Love the theories. All right, so events. So last year we had summer opera that we tried. And we activated a lot of spaces, programmed a lot of activations just to get some R&D and get some intel, see how the entire village really, really, really moved and how people congregated to these activations. And what we found out is one of the hardships that we had last year is between 12 and six o'clock-ish. It's pretty hot. And that sun is a pretty brutal. So to get people to come out and do the smaller activations, we didn't have a whole lot of success. But what we did find as a type of activations that we did last summer were well received by the community and we saw enough success to kind of reconfigure some of those. So with a returning events, of course, we had the Snowmass concert series which we do have the new stage coming this year. I've also upgraded a lineup this year. We have some slightly bigger names. What we saw last year is we did one experiment where we had two different acts, Spasmatics, was on the fourth of July show. And then we had American authors, which is a large act that we booked during the millia this summer And that doubled the crowd almost and what we saw then is that stakeholders and all the businesses had their biggest day to see them So Thursdays having 11 concerts is a great opportunity to really provide our stakeholders with some great business And it's not quite the the weekend yet. It is a Thursday. So we stay away from that Friday and Saturday. We have built in there. So going a little bit bigger this year, we're going to up those crowds and hopefully up that business for everybody. Snowmass rodeo coming back, of course. The arena was great last year. Still dialing a few small things, but really successful. And I think we have that that child didn't really well for this season. Music on the Mall is returning with music school students. We extended that programming just to have a little bit more vitality up in the mall. So during the middle of the day, er... and I think we have that dialed in really well for this season. Music on the Mall is returning with music school students. We extended that programming just to have a little bit more vitality up in the mall. So during the middle of the day, or I should say the end of the afternoon, when people are going up there and looking around before dinner, that we had a little something going on. So we got some R&D from stakeholders that let us know that that timing would work out best for everybody. So we did shift there. The Ice Rage Explorators was great success for families last summer, so we're continuing that. Our gift services team really promotes that and does a great job with it. And the Collective Weekly. So we did shift there. The Ice Rage Explorators was great success for families last summer, so we're continuing that. Our gift services team really promotes that and does a great job with it. And the Collective Weekly Programming, with Sarah Sanders and her team down there, is I'm proud to say we have a little extra programming, money that we're giving them for programming this year. And she's come up with over 300 activations that come out of the collective over the course of the calendar year. Most of those are free to the community, so it's really great to work with Sarah and provide all these great little activations and different parts of art and culture that are coming up. the collective over the course of the calendar year. Most of those are free to the community, so it's really great to work with Sarah and provide all these great little activations and different parts of art and culture that are coming out of that facility there. Then community activations, which these are some of the new things we tried last year that we are bringing back. We're just moving them around a little bit and figuring out a way to make them successful. So Dog Washing Day, which is a really low-hanging fruit easy one. We threw some poses out there, we threw some shampoo, we brought in Guapo Dog store from up them all, and we had a great day with... So dog washing day, which is a really low-hanging, fruit-easy one. We threw some poses out there. We threw some shampoo. We brought in Guapo dog store from up them all. And we had a great day with probably a hundred dogs or so that showed up and had a Greek community, you know, kind of social event where people just saw their neighbors, said, I hung out with their dogs for a little while on the events lawn, went out and had lunch afterwards. those are really good feel and those type of activations that's the point is we get people to remind them what's here and get them maybe have lunch, have dinner, go buy a drink, go eat that soda, just hang out in the events and then the long for a little bit. That was probably more locals, right? All locals, yeah. And we did have some for us too, they were staying in the condos, how their dogs that thought it was great they had somewhere else and met other dog owners and felt like they were part of the community. So that type of social interaction is what we're really looking for these type of activations. The community picnic was another one that we had down at town park four different times we ran the community, I mean, ice cream social, sorry. And what we saw at the ice cream social was we had 250 people every time that we served ice cream too. So surprising numbers with how many people came down and checked it out, but we were able to provide them with QR codes, with the events calendar, with signing up on Instagram so they can get some alerts and get to know what's happening in the village. And we saw, or the course of summer, almost 500 ads just with locals that are adding to Instagram with our new locals channel that we started. So it was really a great way again to have this kind of just casual social thing. Where parents were picking up their kids in the rec center seeing their neighbors talking about what they're going to do that weekend. And then also we were able to present to them the events calendar and all the happenings that were going on. And what we saw is that a lot of people knew the mean things. They knew the rodeo was happening. They knew Thursday night concerts, but they didn't know the smaller things. They didn't realize that heritage fire was the next weekend and some of those other big ones that we have. So it's a great way to spread the word and to bring a social element to everything. The Fourth of July concert celebration, I think most of you were here. Were there last year, weren't you? I'm sorry, but that was about asocials of cats and it was really amazing seeing the entire community come out and hang out in that field together. And this spasmatics are a lot of fun and it was just all the fields for that one. So hopefully repeat that again this year all the fields for that one. So hopefully we repeat that again this year. Should you do that one again, yeah. Yeah. Done. New York. Which is really great that for the July end, I've on a Friday to have this repeat performance. So we have the Spasmatics coming back for their performance again this year. the Emmerer Connum Music Series, which that rock or an area up of the mall at the top of the Skittles, if you're trying to activate that and do some things with that area, because it is pretty large. And the EmeryConnum Music Series, which that rock are an area up of the mall at the top of the Skittles, we've been trying to activate that and do some things with that area, because it is a pretty large amount of space that you can fit some people in. And then you have the restaurants that are right there, bathrooms and amenities. So we're going to have a couple of EmeryConnum Music Series concerts up there again, as well as we'll have a concert with rendezvous or tasting event in the beginning of the season. So I'll activate that courtyard up there. And then we're talking to Wendy and event in the beginning of the season. So I'll activate that courtyard up there. And then we're talking to Wendy and Vanga and some of the other owners up there to figure out if there's other types of series that we can do up there. If DJs can play, the restaurants can kind of work together and start forming some little activations up there, which they're starting to do, which is really great. Oh, sorry, did I go backwards? Yeah, I think I did. Sorry. I think I need to put my glasses on. That's right. I'm going to put my glasses on. Oh, my good. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now think I did. Sorry, I think I need to put my glasses on. That's right, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. Oh, my good. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, now we're good. So some new events that we came up with this year that are in the mind of activations and community is the summer community kickoff. The gun opens on the 21st, which is a Saturday, doesn't always open on a Saturday. So we thought it'd be a great opportunity with everybody coming to the village for the first time, usually around there with bikes and a lot of the families. Is that June 21? June 21, yep. And. on a Saturday so we thought it'd be a great opportunity with everybody coming to the village for the first time, usually around there with bikes and a lot of the families. Is that June 21? June 21, yep. And what we decided to do is bring in all the town's departments. So the fire department, the police department, transportation, parks and trails, and we're gonna have booths set up with all the different departments that way we can bring that to the community and let them register bikes, register their dogs. Get that little badges to the kid, the fake cop badges to the kids. Let them see a fire truck. Just those town elements, just a kick off the summer, more importantly, let them register bikes, register their dogs, give that little badges to the kid, the fake cop badges to the kids, let them see a fire truck. Just those town elements, just to kick off the summer, more importantly, to give out that information, or if I know what's going on for the summer, to share those calendars, to share all the events, to share those QR codes, to sign up on Instagram, those different things, learn about what's happening. The mall block party is exactly what it's said. We were throwing a block party on the mall this year. It's a way to have basically a sidewalk sale, promote all the businesses up there to... The mall block party is exactly what it's at. We were throwing a block party on the mall this year. It's a way to have basically a sidewalk sale, promote all the businesses up there to advertise it a little bit, to remind everybody that who is up there. There's been a lot of change over the last couple of years from new businesses. That'd be a fun one. We're going to activate that with everything from kids, games, and entertainers, and the face painting. We're actually going to have drinks to go and be setting up remote bars outside the restaurants with signature cocktails and lunch specials and sidewalks sales and all types of things. So almost every business has said that they love the idea and they're on board with it. So we have this part of the date. Yes. On our main calendar, I'll show that one, but that is the 28th of June. So it's though, we can after the opening. And then, uh, just... On our main calendar, I'll show that one, but that is the 28th of June. So it's though weekend after the opening. And then Jazz Supper Club at the collective. So we tried this on the events long last summer. There's an amazing amount of people that want something like this. It's just having the right place in the right time. It was a little bit early. Some was a little bit hot. We had some good ones when it was overcast. some sparse ones when it was really, really bright and really sunny and hot. So what we did this winner is we moved it into the collective and did it more like a supper club and had Maweeta's actually served food and drinks into there. We got some great press. We had some great marketing on that one and it really picked up into the season. We really saw a great, great following and started to build up with that. So we're going to continue that in the summer in the collective and continue the same concept to see if we can build this one out. And it is free for the community. I mean, the venue itself can hold 50 to 60 people and then in the summer time we open the doors. Everybody else has the all outside, you know, to hang around to you. So really hoping to happen this kind of a little venue like this with some music and some culture really, really does take off the summer. October Fest is our big one. This is something that I heard from all the stakeholders from my first start of this job. It seems to come back from the community at large that an October Fest, no mass seems to be a great place to hold this type of event, especially the time of year that it is. So two parts to produce is Ronevoo and was producing deja vu tasting events for us. We decided to turn deja vu into October fest and push it towards the end of the month when it traditionally is held and to really build a book end the season with these two tasting events. events. The October fest is a two day event. It is a 12 to 8 o'clock on Saturday and a 12 to 5 o'clock on Sunday. So it's first time we're running a two day event like that. It will activate the entire village. So it will be all the way from the collective and it will go all the way through the events law and all the way from the collective and it will go all the way through the vents lawn all the way up through the mall. And we'll have stations set up on the entire place. So everyone's part of this. It's not just one section or one area. We'll ever main staging will be on the events lawn, but the entire village is part of the venue. So we're really excited about that one. It's one of the biggest undertakings that we've taken definitely compared to like balloon fest. So we're really excited about that one. It's one of the biggest undertakings that we've taken, absolutely, compared to like balloon fest. So we're really excited about that one. And I like Virginia was saying the fact that we could have this other event that we pull in there that we can put into our more national marketing and make this more, more than a drive event, but also a fly event. If people do want the leaf beeping, it will be a great weekend to come out and do that. Views and brews has been one of the tag lines that's being thrown around with there too, which I think is very fitting. And then the added programming at the collective, which I said is very fitting. And then the added programming at the collective, which I said Sarah Sanders, over 300 activations she will have in the collective or over the course of the calendar year, which is pretty impressive that small team could pull off that much. This is our calendar, so I don't need to go to the whole thing and we can wrap this up. If any questions, please let me know. But a couple of things to point out is that Randeavu is on the 14th of second weekend. Just felt. So I don't need to go into the whole thing and we can wrap this up. If any questions, please let me know. But a couple of things to point out is that rendezvous is on the 14th of second weekend. Just felt like Ragnar weekend, the first weekend, June, everything still isn't quite open. So to push one of our bigger events into a weekend where all our amenities are full, you know, full bore, seeing them make more sense. having that community kick off, you know, it's great, especially with food and wine going on. It gives people an R and part of that and alternative to come check us out and hang out. We can go to the next slide. Having that community kick off, you know, it's great, especially with food and wine going on. It gives people an R and part of that and alternative to come check us out and hang out. We can go to the next slide, please. And I think everything here you guys know of. I'm going to go to the next slide too. So Heritage Fire on this one is one point I'd also usually is the last weekend, the last Saturday of July, but we moved it to the first Saturday of August. Just for the fact, there are mountain operations that are going on. The upper lifts and L-camp will be closed. So we've had a move a couple of races and move a couple of things on the calendar. So we just wanted to make sure that August wasn't a really late month. We wanted to make sure that was well-rounded. So moving heritage fire into here with Plan Air, Plan Air Arts Festival, the trio and Sider Mass gives us three great weekends to finish out the season before we go into that jazz labor day experience. And this one, I'm really proud of the slide. And I think the one thing I want to point out is October usually didn't have anything on it. I mean, September, sorry. And now that we're building this out, we're really starting to see that those weekends are very strongly are getting a lot of people. October usually didn't have anything on it. September. I mean, September, sorry. And now that we're building this out, we're really starting to see that those weekends are very strong. We are getting a lot of people trying to keep it going and build out those weeks with group sales and with Drew and his team is really making September a really robust month. And now with having Festival Del Rancho starting it off, which is the Latin Festival down at Anderson Ranch, which at the weather is great, it's wildly attended. So that's in your really great weekend. And the main event, which is the Latin festival down at Anderson Ranch, which at the weather's great, it's wildly attended. So that's a really great weekend. And the main event, which we had our first one last year, which is a nod to all the ranching community, that's a little bit bigger this year and we're bringing that one back and that was really successful. So having something every weekend to finish off September rooms, really something really proud of. And then the community picnic finishes off the season and that is events for the summer. Right. Wow. Any questions? Sounds good. Sounds fun. No. Wonderful. Slay the event. Can I ask a quick question just about just sort of furthering community involvement and I know that historically they're like for Marty Grah, there was like the kids were selling beads even though it wasn't really a fundraiser. I don't think the money was, but are there any sort of ideas like that where we could be raising money for harvest for hunger or just things that like bring a little bit more relevancy for the local community that can really get locals. I don't know, and more invested in the events. I know that the wine festival is for rotary, is that right? Yeah. But anyways, just like I think sometimes people one, it gets that community that we're raising for more involved and it can involve more community members in feeling like there's a purpose behind various events. You have to have a little liquor license. We pair with nonprofit. So like the school for the deaf takes a big cut from the summer concerts. But we don't charge tickets to anything that we produce. Yep. Yep. So those opportunities become a little bit limited. Giving it free to the community is kind of that lore, like balloon fast or something like that. Then we work with companies like two parts. We try to work with them to keep the ticket prices down as much as we can to make it more attractive to our locals. So there's a super over price, so we try to compensate with that too. But yeah, we're always looking for those opportunities and partnerships that bring people in and bring in from the Aspen Music School and have parts and pieces be part of the event, if we do. I find that way that there's some buy-in from the local community. Yeah. Well, I think that's a really good point about Marty Grah. That's a great example of how the event, it's own thing, but the bead sales, was done. I understand. The Little Red Squas used to be a nonprofit. I think. Yeah. It's not that long ago, because my daughter was still in school then, but anyways, we used to be a nonprofit the Little Red School House. So the board would purchase beads, really nice mardi gras beads and then sell them all around. And that way, you know, not only did they make some money for their nonprofit, but it also just got people thinking about Mardi Gras getting excited and I think it created a lot of the interest in attending that day. So I mean I'm not suggesting you do that but that was a good example of a way that a nonprofit was able to you know hitch on to an event that you were doing find their own revenue source do their own work but also like how this collective you know, and event that everybody attended because it was so optically available seeing these kids running around selling beads. It's like the Ducky Derby in a lot of ways. But yeah, we have talked about. We highlight other nonprofits at our events like giving them exposure. And I suppose if there was a revenue source that they could come up with because we don't really take it on revenue on our events We could incorporate them in that way so we could brainstorm that yeah concerts this year one thing that we're doing with a concept is that we actually have booth set up that more Different organizations from the community aspen out and they'll be coming to concerts periodically throughout the summer Kind of promote some of those businesses too That's also with some of those things like block party and stuff like that, is where we're trying to incorporate some of those other entities within that. That's what I was wondering. Block party came to mind and just getting some of the snowmast nonprofits or whatever involved. So that's a good idea. Have lots of opportunities to give them exposure. Like if they want to be able to see everybody from the community and talk about what they do. And I suppose, you know, if they want to do a fundraiser within that, it is up to them. But yeah, the block party, the community summer kickoff, the concerts as well. Lots of, lots of opportunities where everyone's coming together if they want to get that exposure. I thought this was a really interesting comment during the tourism board meeting. Someone suggested maybe some of this data helps you identify how much Aspen is really a market. And I thought that was just worth keeping note of, again, we should be marketing an Aspen. And I know you do. You know, you certainly do. But like even more like, you know, the go to the farmers market booth and pass out like, what's next on your to-do list today? Go to Snowmass and have a picnic with all this great food that you just bought or whatever the thing is. But there's some way to bring people there at their thing there and bring them over here. I think we do the concerts this year as we partnered with Belly Up for Be Our Booking Agency. Nice. Yeah. And having that association as well kind of taps into the Aspen and also taps into the youth market a little bit more too. So it's definitely thinking the the same way. Yeah, yeah. We do, we push quite a bit to ask been with event marketing. We to do. Yeah, yeah. We do, we push quite a bit to Aspen with event marketing. We run, you know, this week in Snowmass in the newspapers, multiple times a week. We certainly, you know, promote the events in those newspaper ads as well. But we reach out to all the Aspen concierge, we make sure that they have our weekly events buyers and they know what's going on as well. We do a lot on social, actually. We do paid social to targeted to Aspen and in that case, it doesn't have to be if they're registered in Aspen, but to anyone who's geographically in Aspen at that given time. That's a good way. And we also buy spots on We cycle stations in Aspen and that to me is like the satisfying placement. And I love walking up to Ruby Park or walking through the Gondola Plaza and seeing a big snowmass board with all the events going on. That's my favorite. That's really great. Yeah. And then one last question. This was also brought up. I thought it might help us. And I don't know if this is data that you can extract, but while you're all here, one question was raised, can you use some of this data to identify like if construction causes dips in overall attendance of, you know, coming up to snowmass when the brush creek culvert was being replaced. Can you provide us with what you're able to glean from your collective mass, like more paid occupancy? So I mean, we can look at it over certain time periods, but I don't know if it's going to tell us that because people book are booking ahead, right? It's not going to really tell us if there was a dip in occupancy because of construction because it wouldn't deter somebody from planning a trip. So our data is all really focused on people who are, I mean, I don't know about Placer, but that's what I was curious about. Placer in particular, if that would show people just diverting from not coming up from downvalid at the concerts if they're ahead. Yeah. I mean, have a couple notes about that. One is it would be so granular. How do we, how we would have to get into that data? Like at what time of day was it slowing down and was it by a significant enough amount that word would get out or if it was really slow on one Thursday did it to tear people from coming the next Thursday like the concert might be an interesting thing to look at. Yeah. See if people stopped wanting to come up because there was a detour. Yeah. The bigger shift that we saw actually was that fewer people year over year come from basalt because they have such a strong concert series. Yeah. I don't think so. Yeah. the one thing that we could kind of tell from the data. I think the construction pieces we can't we can't really like geo fence that in such a way that would tell us enough. But I did find that one piece interesting. Is this this feels kind of like climate change creep, but has there ever been consideration of adding a few more weeks to the concert series? Well, we have because of jazz asking other things, we're kind of a set calendar on that. We can operate. You want to see it down in the news, or is it all that? So we have to take the stage down at that time of the year. Okay. Got it. Well, there's all kinds of ideas that we can. Well, and I was just like, it could. There's a kinds of ideas that we can make. I wish it was like, it could be a theory. It's hard to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I wish it was just like just because it has like so many of the elements that we want. It produces like the biggest days. It's midweek, so it kind of follows some of those troughs that you guys were talking about. It draws from Aspen. It brings out all of Snowmass. I was like, I could see them being sort of a different vibe, but really well attended in the first couple weeks of September. And now that the weather's so warm, I don't know what the like, I was thinking about like the time that the sun goes down, if that becomes an issue, but it just came to mind that like not that this would be something to do next year, but like a few years down the road, it could be a consideration of a way to. It just checks so many of the boxes. But I'm you see a whole lot of people can think of it. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Have you ever considered a winter Thursday night concert? It has been. With this mobile stage, we definitely have some opportunities to put on some concerts ourselves without outside. You know, companies in the coming. Yeah. We just set it up. I'm sure you heard about the tariffs and you've been by the sound system. Right. There's only thing that worked out of the sound company that they bought it. And they were able to get the deal and rent it back to us at a fair price. And now we have. Oh, nice. We basically have an infrastructure set up for concerts that, you know, we have the maintenance crew now. It actually worked out the best way for us. Because we have another company that stores everything on maintenance. So we have access to everything that we need to put on a top-match concert. The same thing that Belly up is doing at buttermilk or any. Right. It's a nice. They're going on too. Just a matter of budget wise. Yep. Good evening for that. need to put on a top-match concert the same thing that that belly up is doing it but are milk or any. Right. Nice. They're going on too. Just a matter of, you know, budget wise. Yep. Getting for that and finding the times and how we want to do it. But to the winter concerts, we actually had to walk through a couple of weeks ago to figure out a way of doing a winter concert down there on the soccer field by the gazebo. And then that into a winter music venue, it is possible, pretty expensive. So the ROI on that one, kind of still going through that to see what the potential is, what happens sometimes. And then that into a winter music venue, it is possible, pretty expensive. So the ROI on that one, kind of still going through that to see what the potential is, what happens sometimes when you do things down there, it doesn't bring business up to the village. Is that consideration of what they've gone through the time in the concert? Yeah, because it's going to be close at the end of it. Does that bring in any business? Right. So there's a lot of thoughts that are going into that right now. So which I'm sure we're talking to you guys better than the next year or so. Great. Well, it's an opportunity. Thank you guys. Thank you. It's really wonderful. So, thank you. Thanks for staying late. Thank you for staying late. It happens all the time. But thank you guys. We're very excited. Okay. Town Council reports and actions. Buddha. Yeah, I think it's clear that I had the opportunity to attend the tourism board meeting and get the same kind of overhaul of the tourism departments. 2024 and 2025 perspective. L plans. Great conversations came out of that. I think I kind of brought a handful of them up through the course of this. So no regret. Great. I'm going to go back over this. And then the other sister cities news is that they will be having their first ever fundraiser connecting it with the Fourth of July. They'll be walking flags in the parade and then trying to put together a community potluck centered around food options from their various sister cities. We're still venue TBD and other details to come so great I'm working. I realize we got pretty detailed letter from the EAB and when we're talking about agendas, I forgot we should get them on the agenda to come in and talk to us. So I will reach out to them and look at some of the dates that we have there sort of blank and just see when what works for them. Great. Susan, anything? Sessley and I were at the Board of Health meeting last week and discussed a few things. they're kind of waiting to see how it all shakes out. But I think in the interim, pick and county has, has said they would cover whatever might be lost there. And we got an update on the measles outbreak and there were some exposure incidents at Wolf Creek Ski area, which is kind of interesting. And there have only really been three cases in Colorado, but just encouraging people to make sure that they get the vaccine, because that's really effective. I got an email from my doctor that said, you should, you should check if you're my it's old time. Yeah. If you have, you know, the antibodies in your blood and if not, you should get the vaccine. Well, and generally they made it sound like if you had have gotten a vaccine before, it should be good. But there was a time period. Yeah. It seemed like in the 60s that those they weren't actually active vaccines or something. So anyway, it's worth checking into. Yeah. Anything else you're in the health department? We talked about emergency response quite a bit as far as it relates to public health. and just gave us an interesting overview, but I don't there was much to report from that. And it's it was mostly, you know, just which pieces public health would be kind of in charge of, but I mean, just the general consensus says everyone should get the pick an alert, you know, on their phone or emails or however they want to get it just because that's where all the information is going to flow. And they kept reiterating not to depend on pick an alert or anyone coming to your house in any situation. Like they were saying basically, basically sure had basically like, don't depend on anyone. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes people wait and think, oh, they're just going to come get me. And that might not be the case. Yeah. Okay. Sessley, anything? The only other like just fun update in the valley is I went to the kids from schools between here I believe rifle, eagle and all throughout the valley have done an art installation at the art museum and it's really cool it's the two top floors and then there's a very whimsical fun one different exhibition on the bottom floor and I highly recommend it for adults, it's for kids, it's for everyone. So I recommend going. Yeah, great. That's really cool. Okay, a couple of updates. Raffta, I'm sure some of you still on the paper that they can get about, or are thinking about doing a free fair free pilot program this fall and You know there's pros including increased ridership decrease in emissions because you have less cars on and the buses that you do have are more full The cons are it's going to be contingent on financial partners. It's about $550,000 loss in revenues. So they just have to figure out how to make that gap work. And then it could be, you know, cause standing room only on the buses and joy-riders situations. So, you know, there's details to work out. I am not gonna 100% say it's gonna happen this fall, but they're trying the only fair that it wouldn't apply to is the moon bells fair. Alyssa, has there ever been discussion about also just not making what I call the fairs being regressive? Meaning that if you're going they are distance appropriate, but they're not necessarily. I always found it really hard to see the people going to places where they probably were traveling really far to their job, paying like double what I was paying to get go to basalt. and I just was wondering if that has ever been a discussion because to me it was a tax on probably who was making less money and yeah, traveling further. Um, not the time that I've been unwrapped up. Yeah. I mean, I haven't heard them say that, but I mean, it's an interesting thing to bring up and I can certainly, yeah, and go, I'm a huge proponent of free buses for the whole valley. So I'm really excited if you guys do that. Yeah, I mean, it took me like five years of asking about making the kids free or reduced fare of a dollar which we finally got so yeah but it's yeah it's kind of slow moving but we'll see what happens um and then also they the strategic planning summit for like the goals and all the things is coming up May. Are you going to be here? You're going to be gone out of town. May. Oh when is that? It's a Thursday. May. of what's the date? Athe. I am going to miss that. It usually is in June, but this year we're moving it earlier because so many people are like traveling around in June. Anyways, it's it's always a good opportunity. I'll be back. Okay. Well, you should it's one of those things that you kind of have to go in person. And then I went to solve the other day and we talked about scholarships. They selected their scholarship recipient, which I won't say who that is, but they selected it. Murels for the tunnel, they will be coming back to us. There's some, I think, really amazing options that they got from their request. And also they're honing in on sculpture that's sort of a collaboration with Anderson Ranch that would be slated for the main roundabout at Bush Creek and Highline. So that was that was interesting and then I also got to welcome the students from Barilo Charagentina and give them a talk on town government. And I had 45 minutes to talk with them. So there was, you know, there was a lot to share. But it was fun. And I also got to participate in a little bit of the mountain travel symposium, which was really, really neat and just meeting all of the different travel people. And you know, people in that field, it was really interesting. I met a lot of really cool people. So it was amazing that we had it here. It had been a while since it had been like, I think, 10 years since I had been here before. So that was really awesome. And that, I think, is it. So I would take a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Also come. All in favor. All right. Let's get out of here. All right. I thought this mean is going to be over at like 630. I really underestimated it. I'm pretty good about it. I was at. Thank you. you you you you you