Okay, welcome everyone to the April 28th, 2025 meeting of the passing city council. The council did meet in close section and did not take up item two but did take up item I'm sorry no no no no That did not take up item two take up item. Yeah, took up item three We did take up item three oh Apologies that we're running behind and we'll start with the calling of the role Mayor and chair the there is a quorum of the finance committee, but let's take a role for the council. Council Member Cole. Present. Council Member Hampton is here, but he's in the back. Council Member Jones. Here. Council Member Lion. Here. Council Member Madison. Here. Great. Council Member Moussouda. Here. Vice Mayor Revis. Here. Mayor G Gordo here. There's a quorum of the council president Yeah, why don't we start with the pledge of allegiance mr. Moussouda will you? Right hand over your heart ready begin and pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We have a number of requests for a German memory and I'll start with a request for the council to adjourn in memory of Peggy Sissen passing his long time child care coordinator and champion for early education. Peggy was more than a dedicated public servant. She was the heart of early childhood advocacy and passing. For decades, she served our city with grace, wisdom, and relentless determination. As passing as long time child care coordinator, she understood something profoundly important that investing in our youngest residents is investing in our future. And she thought every day to make sure children and families had the support they needed to thrive. She wasn't just an advocate. She was a connector between program schools, families, and community partners. She also served on the city's commission on the status of women and the human services commission. She had a gift for bringing people together, finding common ground, and making things happen always with a smile on her face. And it was because of her that our city established the Office of the Young Child and adopted its first ever early child development policy. Personally, I will miss and have a hard time even calling her Peggy because Mississus was my little league team mom who who ensure and a neighbor who ensured that I made it to little league practices and other activities that I may not otherwise have been able to make because both my parents work two jobs and so I'm eternally grateful to Missississin in her contributions to our city and to me personally. And so I would ask that we adjourn in memory of Peggy Sisson. Mr. Lien. Thank you, Mayor. I'd also like to ask that we adjourn in memory of Robert Denham. Bob Denham was a constituent in my neighborhood, and really a philanthropic soul. He was a lawyer at Munger Tolls from the 1970s to the 1990s. And then the CEO of Solomon Brothers during the rough patch where he brought him out of the rough patch in the 1990s. He was on the board of the New York Times and Oak Tree Capital and the chairman of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation and the vice chairman of Good Sam Downtown. Those are just a few of his long resume of philanthropic endeavors and a great neighbor. He and his son the lip side by side in Madison Heights for many years and Bob died of cancer on March 15th. The... his son, Liv's side by side, in Madison Heights for many years and Bob died of cancer on March 15th. Definitely someone we want to recognize for his achievements and accomplishments. Thank you, Mayor. The honor of knowing Bob and a good person and a very accomplished individual. Mr. Madison, you had a request? Yes, Mayor, thank you very much. And I certainly join you and Mr. Lian in adjourning an honor of Peggy Sessen and Bob Down on those were two just wonderful people. I actually have three requests tonight, Mayor. So thank you for indulging me. The first is my now late friend and constituent Edwin, Jed Gould, but known to pretty much the whole world as Jed the fish, the DJ on K-Rock, who was there for decades after graduating from SC. There's a wonderful obituary about Jed in the New York Times. He passed away recently and just a very gifted, wonderful person and would hold court in his Victorian home in my district regularly with his incredible studio of records and music collection. And don't think for a minute that because he was a K-Rock DJ that all he knew was sort of heavy metal or a particular kind of rock, he was fluent in every kind of music. And of course, you know, the arts and richer lives in Jed, very much did that. Second, Rich Martha was a long time member and board member of the Brookside Golf Club and a huge supporter of the first Tia Pasadena and the Pasadena Humane Society. He passed away at the far two young age of 74. Recently, he lived in the city and as I mentioned was just very strongly dedicated to those two organizations and many others. And then finally, the first lady of UCLA football, Andrea Donahue passed away. And Mayor, I know you'll remember from 2023 when you presided over the dedication of, I think it was our third statue at that time. Yeah. of Terry Donahue, who was just an incredibly successful winning coach at UCLA with many Rose Bulls and many Rose Bull victories. And I provided the city clerk, I don't know technologically it's possible that. We have it up on the screen, sir. Some photos about wonderful occasion. When we dedicated that statue in Andrea was just so proud and pleased. But she was obviously a regular Denizen of our stadium for all those years that coach Donahue was at the home for UCLA. And she now joins Terry in having and I think it's fitting and appropriate because of their contributions to our great city that we also honor her tonight in a jury. Thank you mayor. I agree Mr. Madison on all three I mean I had the honor of knowing all three and the The fact that they were all so involved in the Rose Bowl first tea and in our community in general has certainly made us a better city. And so we will adjourn in memory of Peggy Sissen, Robert Denham, Richard, Martha, and Andra Domehue. Cool, please Mayor. Thank you. Edwinould, Jed the Fish. Thank you. By the way, it was alternative rock that came up. Oh, okay. Thank you. Okay. With that, we'll move on to public comment. Did you want to do the opening for the budget and then we can- Okay, why don't we do that? Do the opening for the capital improvement budget then we'll take public comment. Thank you, Matt Hawksworth, Director of Finance and Acting Assistant City Manager sitting in for Miguel Marquez this evening. As we open the discussions on the fiscal year 2026, 2026, 2030, recommended capital improvement program. And this is the budget workshop. As you can see, we have a full audience. They're here to present on their various proposed budget items. And we will kick it off after public comment. Okay. So for public comment on the CIP, we have Sean D.V. or DeVay. Then Greg Apidaca. Then Karen French. And then Cynthia Kennedy. In two minutes, go ahead. Mr. Devi, or is it DeVay? It's DeVay. DeVay, DeVay. DeVay, DeVay. Thanks. Yeah, I'm Sean Devi. I'm a grad student over at Caltech. I just wanted to say the resolution 99-77 two years ago, recognized that we're in a climate emergency. And I think that only became more clear in January with the Eden fires. And I would like to express that I think our budget could be a little more focused on achieving the goals that are set out in 99, 77, specifically getting to 100% carbon free electricity by 2030. And also, I wanted to say, I'm really excited to see a lot of things in there about bike infrastructure and making it easier to get around Pasadena without a car. I bike commute and it can be sometimes challenging to navigate around all the cars that are in the way. And I'm sure the same is true for cars navigating around me. And I think we had our own spots that might be nice. And thank you all for your hard work on this and I believe that we can have a great moral opportunity and a moral, you know, imperative, right? And a great opportunity to lead as a city and I think that we can do that if we continue to work together. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Apidaca. Followed by Karen French, followed by Cynthia Ciannady. Mr. Apidaca, are you, is that you? Yeah. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thanks very much for the opportunity to talk for a few minutes here. I recognize most of you folks. I'm here to talk about the future, but here to talk about the recent past too. On January 7th, the climate emergency got very real for me as my home burned to the ground. As did tens of thousands of others here and the eat and area and the palisades. It is a surreal experience to have lost everything that my wife and I have built up over about five decades and you know we've been up there to see our property about five times now. I guess I'm used to it now, but it doesn't get easier. And we see our neighbors up there. And inevitably, somebody starts to get choked up. And it's hard to not do that. So it's a real experience in a negative way, but also in a positive way. Our neighbors meet 27 homeowners every Monday night on Zoom, sharing ideas, sharing grief, and ideas about contractors and architects, and all the things that we need to go through now to rebuild our lives. But there's a silver lining here in that we have a kind of a clean sheet from which to rebuild. An opportunity to rethink everything. I was just writing some notes to him. He had a number when Rick was mayor a while back and we were starting leadership past the end and Rick had a not going ceremony for our his mayorship that was called to imagine a greater city. I don't know if you remember that or not, right? We have an opportunity here in the past year to rethink things from a clean sheet. I hope that you'll take advantage of that and let that show in your budget priorities. We can rebuild million-dollar homes or multi-million-dollar homes where people don't know their neighbors or we can rebuild sharing communities where people share systems and veggie gardens and fruit orchards and electrical grids and batteries and and the way things should be right I didn't talk to all those 27 neighbors before but I know them pretty well now and I'm hoping that we can continue that process to build pretty please let that show in your budget if you think that's a good idea. Thank you Greg and we're at worst on behalf of the council we're sorry for the loss of your home and those of your neighbors. Karen French. Thank you. And then Cynthia Canady. Ms. French welcome. Good evening. I didn't know this was going to happen so quickly. I was thought we would hear about the capital stuff. And then I would have better chance of what I wanted to say. But I do, I'm here to listen to this process, because I know very little about how City Government works. And I've been involved over the years on and off and I'm part of a neighborhood association from Jefferson Park. And we are, it seems like the only time I usually come here is because of the park. I think in general, the city takes reasonable care of their park facilities. But I've also learned over the years and other people in our neighborhood have stated that it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil that gets the attention. So I feel that some things up happen that get in particular for our park some situation arose early on. It was admitted that a bad decision had been made by the city to do what they did and then I then we expected a little more follow up and it didn't happen and now we're following up again finally. Rick Cole is met with us this morning and so we I decided I'm going to come here and just start learning a little bit more about how the priorities are made Thanks. Thank you Thank you Cynthia Kennedy. It's cavity welcome In a time of climate crisis you have before you a business as usual budget. I'm on the technical advisory panel, so I've been spending the last year and before that the stakeholder technical advisory group studying the possible portfolios. And we are so happy to see that E3 has actually produced with PWPs collaboration's collaboration and help a pathway forward. One of the characteristics of that pathway, as many of you know, is a major increase in local solar. This is very important as a resource. It's important because we have the good rich bottleneck and we literally cannot import enough electricity for peak times, but it's important for our climate action. I was very concerned to see that this budget does not have anything in it about rooftop solar. No community solar, no solar on city buildings. There is fortunately PWP has put in a provisioned budgetary line item for batteries. So that's good. But we have a pathway for success before us. We need to seize it. One person told me today, you're just ahead of us. We're going to get to this, it'll come later. Well, we have to do this. We have to, we can't wait anymore. You know, I realize that we have to, there are budgetary constraints, but that's why we have to start. We need to get aligned, and it's not just PWP, it's every part of the city that needs to work, to make this work. We owe this to the citizens of Pasadena. We can't spend $1.3 million on consultants and then pass a budget that doesn't say anything about what they're recommending. So let's do this. Let's do this. This is a time of climate crisis. I know you all know that that's why you passed the climate emergency resolution. Why is the budget so rudderless? Why is it so unfocused? Please reprioritize. Thank you, Ms. Kennedy. That completes public comment. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember Jones. Mr. Jones. We're going to have a presentation first. Yes. Oh, I'll stay in the queue. I believe a public works director Greg DeVink is going to start us off. Mr. DeVink, welcome. Hello Mayor. Hello, Mayor Gordo, Vice Mayor Revis, and members of the City Council, and the entire viewing audience. My name is Greg DeVinc. I'm the Public Works Director for the City of Pasadena. And today I get the privilege of presenting the new updated capital improvement program budget proposed for fiscal year 26 through 30. There's a lot of slides. I'm going to try and go through fairly quickly, but if you have questions along the way that's fine and I do have a lot of members of staff here with specialized knowledge to better answer your questions. So the 26 capital budget presents new and proposed or existing projects and they are covered by a lot of different CIP sections. There are lists below, Department of Public Works oversees municipal buildings of facilities, streets and streetscape, street lighting, sewer storm drains, parks and landscape and the Royal Projects. The Department of Transportation looks after transportation and parking projects. Pasadena Water and Power has water systems, electrical systems, and electric undergrounding. Do it, which is our IT department, over these technology projects. And the Pasadena Center has their own improvements, and the Rose Bowl has their own improvements. The CIP budget is a five year strategic planning document. It outlines long term investment needs required to expand and enhance and preserve the city's ongoing infrastructure. It serves as a roadmap for identifying, sorry prioritizing and funding capital projects and all of the projects in the plan are consistent with the city's general plan. This is a calendar of taking our updated project to the various commissions. And all four commissions gave unanimous support for our current proposed budget. And a specific note on the bottom is the Transportation Advisory Commission. They did recommend an increase of paving appropriation from $11 million to $15 million. $11 million has been roughly what it's been for the last two years, but typically it's closer to $6 as our normal funding. The budget has 218 projects with an estimated cost of $2.4 billion five years. 446 million are recommended in this current fiscal year. That covers 119 projects recommended for funding. Those are continuing and new projects. For the 14 new projects, seven of them are recommended for funding with 10.6 million. There's been 880 million appropriated to date through this current fiscal year and an unfunded balance of 1.1 million. There's an additional 48 future unfunded projects with an estimated cost of 430 million. This slide is appropriations by fund and if you look at the top, what we've done on generally on the pie chart slides is we've backed the library out. Our library is such a massive project on its own and it kind of dominates the pie chart. So we pulled it out. The remaining balance is 250 million. And if you look at that, the biggest ones are power followed by water, followed by grants. The city staff has successfully procured 37 million in grants, and Roseball has a good chunk. These funding sources are restricted. They can't just be used and moved around very easily. The only unrestricted fund is the $1 million in the right in a box. And that's a multi-year commitment that the council has made to put a million general fund every year into sidewalk repairs. And we're continuing forward with that in this proposed budget. Funding by distribution, again, the library is backed out. You can see water and power has the lion's share at 73%. The operating companies is 13% and all other city CIP is 15% of the budget. That covers building streets, street lighting, transportation and many other projects. We open the public hearing on April 14 and we'll continue through May 5, which is our anticipated adoption of the CIP budget. And now we'll go through presentations per department. Department of Public Works is going to go first. And what Public Works is responsible for, we oversee 6, so the 14 sections of the budget, municipal buildings and facilities, streets and streetscape, street lighting, sewers and storm drains, parks and landscaping and a royal projects. Public Works also provides design and oversight for projects in four other categories, transportation parking, electric undergrounding and some rose bull. Our accomplishments for 2025 include the Upper O'Royal Trail Lower Oroil Trail Loop, where we did slope stabilization, cleaned up the hiking trails, repaired stairs, and we had a ribbing cutting December 2nd, which was a Saturday morning. I'll remember that because I had started work here that week. So it was pretty interesting. Public Works oversees a lot of projects that just aren't glamorous by nature, but they're incredibly important. And this slide kind of demonstrates that we did ADA improvements for the parking lot at Villa Park. We also improved and made ADA accessible, or made the existing bathrooms ADA accessible for the Villa Park Community Center. So not glamorous, but really very important that we do it. We did construct three pickle ball courts at Vina Viejo Park. We also added 14 parking spaces and put in sight amenities like benches and trash cans and that had a ribbon cutting August 1524. We did construct a very large shade structure at Washington Park. We do have in a future slide funding proposed to do two more parks at McDonald and Victory, more shade structures. We completed the roundabout at Avenue 64 for improved traffic flow and pedestrian safety. This slide is the meet and potatoes of public works. It's really our annual programs, including street resurfacing, ADA ramp, sidewalk repairs and sewer lining. You can see that we replace 65,000 square feet of sidewalks at 500 different locations. We resurfaced 17 miles of streets that does include new asphalt as well as more affordable processes like micro-surfacing. On the bottom left we installed 75 new ADA ramps. In the middle we lined 100 manholes. Not only does that restore structural integrity to the manhole but it stops storm water infiltration which is a big problem in sewer systems. You don't want to treat storm water it's already clean and towards the right we lined 25,000 feet of sewer which is close to 5 miles. Our CIP overview is 59 projects with a total of 538 million. 230 million is recommended appropriations over 29 projects. Five of them are new. 109 million have already been appropriated through the current fiscal year and 199 million remain unfunded. Here's another pie chart and we did back out the library. So million is the total public works Funded request, but only 34 million remains after you take the library out of this grants is quite significant. It's our largest single source and Don't have a lot to specifically say, but we generally do our capital projects pretty much by grants and other sources, not including the general fund. That's only $1 million. Municipal buildings, so go through by category now. We have 16 projects for a total cost of $259 million. Again, the library dominates. We have 1.5 million recommended for two new projects and 197 for four continuing projects. 26.8 has already been appropriated. In the new projects, we are requesting 500,000 for five years in a row to update HVAC systems at various locations. Our systems are old. They're not fully reliable. They're certainly not efficient anymore. And it's just kind of an area of our city facilities that's kind of been long neglected and we're requesting some attention be put into those. Very similar goes for roofs. We're requesting 1 million for two years in a row to do a lot of roofing projects in recent rains. Just in the category of libraries, we had five libraries with water intrusion. I know we have water intrusion in many other buildings. If we don't address it as soon as we're aware of it, it leads to wood rot, it leads to mold, it leads to property damage or contents in the building, uninhabitability, all kinds of much more costly problems. So we are recommending we put some money towards this. For the ongoing projects, we have the library, which is actually advertised right now. We're looking for construction managers at risk already today. The building maintenance fund is requesting a million dollars. Those are just small miscellaneous projects for city facilities. We have the Hill Library Replacement, 4.8 million total cost. We're requesting 500,000 to continue that project. And the Public Health Building total cost of $2.25. We're requesting $2.25 million. We're requesting $200 million to complete that to make their restrooms 80 accessible. I would just comment it's $200,000. $200,000. You're right. I'm talking on the library talk now. Nice bathroom. Yeah. Welcome. For the category of streets and streetscapes, we have 12 projects with a total estimated cost of 120 million. No new projects, 17 million recommended to appropriate to eight continuing projects. 27.9 million has been appropriated through the current year. This slide may seem a little out of place, but I wanted to quickly run through this to kind of give a stronger visualization of our investment into street funding. This is a slide that was made by a consultant of ours in 2024. And what that blue line tells you is where is going to be our projected pavement condition index based on different amounts of funding over five years. So you can kind of see at the time, 2024, the PCI was 57, you can see it in the below left. It's just like school, that's a failing grade, it's not very good, not something to be proud of, we want to get that up. Council has elevated our budget close to $11 million for last two years. And if we continue that on for three years, it projects out to around $63.64. So we can go up about six or seven points if we continue that trend. And if you want to fund anything less than that, you can kind of see the resulting score. You can actually see if we fund at our current rate, which we're requesting right now, 5.9 million today, the PCI will be pretty stagnant, it'll stay bad, it actually will drop one point over five years from 24. Moving on, so here is the first one, street resurfacing. We do have 5.9 million identified from gas tax, RMRA funds, and the sewer fund. The sewer is in there because we include stormwater and sewer together, and we do use that funds to reconstruct damage, carbon gutter, which is an element of controlling storm flow. We have 300,000 requested from gas tax and sewer fund for ADA ramps. We have another 1.5 million for ADA ramps of general fund, which is the only general fund that I showed earlier and an additional 500,000 in CDBG funding to an earlier point, Mr. Cole brought up. The CDBG funding has a qualifying area. Those funds have to be spent in a specific locations in the city. On top of that, the general fund we feel should be evenly distributed to include qualifying areas and non-qualifying areas so that the intent of the CDBG funding benefits the areas of the qualifying locations. We also have 200,000 which is private capital that's development fees that go into the fund and we repair more sidewalk locations. Continuing more streets. So we have the Holly Street Bridge. We're requesting $8 million. Be appropriated. It's funded by the Highway Bridge Program Grant. Santa R.I. Fail Bridge. We're requesting $995,000. Also also funded by the same grant and then there's a guardrail program gas tax 100,000 and bridge repair program 100,000 gas tax. Street lighting we have six projects with a total cost of 42 million dollars. We don't have new projects proposed. We're recommending $350,000 for two continuing projects. A total of $6.6 million has already been appropriated. Those two new lighting projects are $300,000 for street lighting and $50,000 for LED safety lighting. If you look at the picture on the bottom left, safety lighting refers to the tall lights that are at traffic intersections. The other street lighting is typically mid-block lighting, or it's sometimes non-signalized intersections. Both of these, for the most part, are going to replace old technology lighting with new energy-efficient LEDs that put out more foot candles to the ground at a lower wattage and saving energy and they're more reliable too. So it was in storm drains. We have nine projects total cost of 94 million, 250 thousand is recommended for one new project and 12.4 million recommended for five continuing projects, 37 million has been appropriated through the current year. This is the new project. It's 250,000 for Jefferson Park Stormwater Capture. This project is going to divert stormwater from a nearby storm drain, channel it into new infiltration chambers in the park. And the goal here is to take stormwater that will be just diverted out to the flood channels and eventually to the ocean, put it into the ground, our soil is a natural filter by the time it gets to our aquifer, the water is considered quite clean. So the goal is it removes contaminants and it recharges our water aquifer, it's also funded by Measure W. Other projects in sewer and storm drains is the annual sewer system improvements, 3.5 million. That's funded by a sewer facility charge of 2 million, 1.5 million sewer fund. Annual storm drain repair and improvements, 1 million by the sewer fund, San Rafael treatment and wetlands storm water capture. That's a safe well-measured W 4.5 million and modernization of Bush Garden and Rosemont sewer pump stations 2.3 million by the sewer fund and the East Side Storm drain improvements project 1 million by the sewer fund. Parks and landscape is two subsections one is Parks 1's landscape. have nine projects a total of 12 million dollars and Zero Recommended or funds identified for one new project and 12.4 million recommended for four continuing projects 3.6 million has been appropriated already the new project where we have an identified funding is the Street Tree Master Plan and Tree Inventory. We plugged in 400,000 as the cost estimate. The vast majority of that cost, I'd say probably over 300,000, is the inventory portion. Our inventory is old, it's outdated, we'd like to get that updated for better planning. the master plan itself where we've begun efforts already to put forth an in-house effort. We already have five arborists on staff. They have decades of landscape and tree care experience specific to Pasadena. I feel they're quite qualified and we're starting to make progress on that inside to save money but we we still will need to eventually do a master plan and the inventory update. The current master plan we have is almost roughly 30 years old. And while trees haven't changed, tree science has evolved a lot, and public concern where 30 years ago, tree flammability was not a concern in the tree plan. Today it is. Native species drought tolerant climate change. A lot of new information should go into an updated master plan. We also will be incorporating eight specific plans that the planning department has been already working on a long time. Five of those have already been adopted by Council. The Parks projects is the citywide shade structures at McDonald and Victory and Brenner Park playground improvements for $265,000 requested. The other projects is citywide park improvements. Those are a whole bunch of small projects for $102,000. And the Villa Park Pool and Pool Area Upgrades. It's a concept study for $50,000 to look into options to expanding the aquatic capacity of that park. This is, I guess an explanation slide. The The pickleball courts we built, we did put out a contract to put three courts out. That was done. The courts are completed. We closed the contract. And somehow communication that we've closed the contract actually closed the entire thing in the CIP, where the original CIP had 12 pickleball courts. We put out a contract for three and closed it. We didn't intend to close the project that hopes to have 12 pickle ball courts eventually. So this slide is just recommending that this project be put back into the CIP bookpresently closed project. We have projects in the Eroio. We have seven projects, with a cost of 8.9 million. Zero is recommended for one new project. 120,000 is recommended for three continuing projects. 6.8 million has been appropriated through the current fiscal year. The project that doesn't have funding is the Brookside Park upgrade of athletic field lighting. It's estimated at 916,000. We will proceed with the project when funds are identified. The other ongoing projects, 40,000 each, all for measure W. We have two in Ha Ha Manga, the first and third. It's the Ha Ha Manga Master Plan Oak Grove Area Improvements. The last one's Ha Ha Manga Watershed Park, Berkshire Creek Area Improvements. In the middle one's the Lower Royal Seco Habitat Restoration. All funded with Measure W. And that concludes Public Works. Do you want to ask questions of me or continue on to Public Works? First, transportation How would the council like to, should we finish all the presentations and then come back? We have all the departments to go through. How about if we do questions with each of the sections and then discussion on the whole thing? Does that make sense? Sure. So if there are clarifying questions or information requests, we can ask those now and then at the end of all the presentations, we can make more general comments. So questions. And this is the opening of the of the capital improvement. Okay. So questions on public works. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Well, consider yourself qualified. Thanks, Mayor. And thanks, Greg, for the presentation. Appreciate the work you're doing and the work that your team is doing. And I just, to start off this question, be for you and for Mr. Reyes. I know MSC has been working with PWP and public works a little bit on the OSP and local solar and storage are an important part of our city's energy goals. And so it's been brought up by public comment. I've received a lot of emails over the weekend regarding it. I don't see many solar projects in the CIP and so I'm just hoping that you and Mr. Reyes could address that. Thank you David Reyes interim site for the last two years. We've been on the same site for the last two years. We've been on the same site for the last two years. We've been on the same site for the last two years. We've been on the same site for the last two years. We've been on the same site for the last two years. We've been on the same site for the last two years. The optimized strategic plan is really meant to implement the goals and policies set forth in resolution 99-77. And we happen to be here in front of you today with the budget that you're correct. It doesn't include a whole lot of solar. There is. in resolution 9977. And we happen to be here in front of you today with the budget that you're correct. It doesn't include a whole lot of solar. There's one item that sits in there, but I wanted to say that we acknowledge that the current OSP as it's being drafted does identify the need for local battery and storage. It hasn't been adopted by the City Council. We need to have some direction from City, and then the process would be, if we get that direction, we need to work through MSC to really have some policy goals about how much local solar we're going to have because that's gonna take time and money, and that money is going to then be reflected in a rate study and we'll have an impact on our rate payers. And so it doesn't make sense that we would come forward now through the CIP process without having any policy direction to identify a solar project. We know that we need solar. We know that the CIP is a living, breathing document that gets amended multiple times a year, and every year it gets adopted a new. So this is not the only shot at that. I also want to remind the City Council that we have spent over 1 billion with a B, 1 billion dollars in the last two years on green energy, carbon free energy as directed by the City Council and approved by the City Council through contracts. We also are in the process of working on our operating budget and that operating budget includes over $3 million for income-qualified solar and storage projects. I know that's not before us tonight, but we are aware of the issue. We are serious about the issue, and we are coming forward. It's just not ripe at this point in time to bring forward a project that hasn't been vetted through policy discussions. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that response, and Greg, how about on public works and in public facilities? Okay, yes buildings would fall under public works, solar on our city-owned buildings would likely be a public works issue. We don't have a request for funding in there. To me, I think it largely ties kind of nicely with the roofing request. We have a lot of failing roofs. I would not want to put out solar until the roof is really addressed, replaced or repaired. Because then the solar is just in the way and it costs more. I would suggest that if council wants to appropriate funding for solar, I would recommend we come back possibly mid-year with an adjustment. I don't think that delays implementation of panels because we will need some substantial time to get through roofing repairs. As we repair roofings we can determine they're now appropriate for solar. It'll take many months to get to that point so I don't see a delay if that were the game plan but it's really up to council's discretion Okay, I appreciate that response and I had a few more questions So you're proposing 5.9 million dollars for streets But your slides. I don't if you can go back to the PCI slide Yeah, so it it showing that we would need to allocate or appropriate 10.7 9 million per year just to get our PCI up to 63. So where would the additional funding come from? Would that come from the general fund? Because you're proposing what 5.9 we have identified 5.9 we're good to go with that Council has the past two years appropriated additional 5 million general funds to roughly double our program and get us up to this projected. These projected numbers include that additional funding for five consecutive years. We're in year three. We didn't put it in there. That's a council's discretion to bump it up. So I would chime in. Madhawksworth. So yes, so the city manager, myself as the director of finance, we are certainly working to identify additional general fund dollars that we could propose that the council allocate towards this project As we were developing the funding and the proposed budget that wasn't ready to go yet. Okay, but I expect that when we get into the Operating budget kickoff we will talk about the opportunity that the council may have for any ongoing general fund or one time general fund dollars that could be allocated and then additional funding towards repaving will certainly be on the list. Yeah, yeah, because even what we're proposing according to your slide, that's not even enough to keep us at 57 because you're saying that we'd have to have 6.76 million a year. And so I definitely would be in favor of allocating additional funds towards getting us to the PCI of 63, because there's a lot of several streets. And you know, the mayor and I were at a community meeting over the weekend just talking specifically about a few streets and how it needs to be resurfaced and repaid. And there's a lot of potholes in there. So I definitely would be supportive of that. And then moving on to street lights, is $350,000 enough for street lighting? Because there's a lack of pedestrian street lights and specifically in the district that I represent. There's several dark stretches. There's, you know, a lot of residents outside of streets, outside of sidewalks, they call about their streetlights and saying, you know, they don't feel safe. They want more lighting. Is this 350 enough to really, I guess, accomplish what we set out to to the chief here And also how are we determining the locations for the street lights? Cause I, you know, Lisa and I, we work closely with Rich, who does a great job of responding to the residents when they're requesting street lights or wanting a street light enhancements. And I'm just curious that are we doing like holistic inspections at night to identify some of these dark patches or are we, is it really residential driven and you know the emails that are we received and we eventually pass on to your team? All right. I do believe it is the vast majority is complaint-driven. 300,000, forgetting the safety lights, that's just that traffic intersections will do that. It's not complaint-driven, we do that anyway. The 300,000 goes remarkably far because what we do with that is we just buy the fixtures and our own and how staff installs them. So it's quite a cost effective program. And the cost for LED lighting keeps going down and keeps getting better. So it's on an improving trend. 300,000 will not get you new lights on poles with foundations and condo it and everything like that. That's not in here. So those dark spots are staying dark with this budget. This is just to enhance the lighting to put up more foot candles to the ground to have more efficient lights to repair ones that burn out. It's definitely well spent. It's a substantial improvement you're getting for these funds but it's not new polls. Oh my understanding how articulated to me was that part of that 300,000 was Going towards like Claremont and going towards Morton and a lot of the like your reference a lot of the dark spots on the streets They could be lights added to Addison poles. I don't know. Here goes the expert. Great good answer. Better. Sure. Specific questions. I mean, right now the 300,000 is really, it's almost like operating budget. We go in and upgrade existing older technology and replace the luminaires with LED technology and allows us to get a better spread of light on the ground. What Greg was alluding to, like if you were to put a new system, completely new system, each pulls about $15,000 in place versus luminaires, just illuminare itself is like 250. So we can buy many hundreds of luminaires and replace existing high-pressure sodium and induction lights with LED. It's a lot more efficient, a lot better lighting. We're just, you know, there is there is an existing CIP of which we're getting 300,000 in it. In that CIP, it's identified, I don't know the number exactly, but it's something like 6 million. And that would go towards systems. Yeah, that would be toward systems. But you know, as it is right now, we're just getting pretty much maintenance dollars to be able to support the field crews and utilize field crews in keeping the existing system running. That's really, and then systematic upgrades on a request basis. And Rich, if I could remind you or any other staff that come up to speak, if you could make sure to introduce yourselves for the audience. Sure. Yes. Richard D. Principal Engineer. And yeah, I guess I bring that up because it seems like for the past few years, we've recommended or you've recommended 300,000. However, we've appropriated like 700,000 at the end of the year. So should we be recommending more or what's the, why are we appropriating 700,000 at the end of this year, however, each year we keep recommending 300,000. I'm only taking a guess at this answer. This is appropriated through the current year. That 700,000 might be several years of accumulated funds. I'm not sure. That's right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The appropriated through is the total that's been appropriated to date on a project Not necessarily how much been appropriated in the current here Okay, I'll go back to that because I pretty sure each year it's shown that we've spent the 700,000 there's been budget amendments that I've seen in in Council agendas that's went above the 300,000. And then the last one is, and I don't know if this meets the 75,000 threshold, but there are a lot of street signs within the district I represent that they're hard to see due to sun damage and you know they're awaiting replacement. Is there any program or projects we can do or we're replacing some of the street signs and also refreshing and again I don't know if this meets the 75,000 refreshing some of the red curb paint? Debating who should answer this? Well, signs do have reflectivity index when they're brand new. You can see them from really far away and over time when it's gone, you can't see the signs at all, even when your headlights are on them, they're almost gone. We do assess periodically signs for reflectivity as well as complaints. Sometimes they're overgrown by tree branches and other things. We do have a signed budget. The way it generally works is we get requests through DOT and then we order the signs and we install them. You had another question. Oh, the red curb. Red curb. Yeah. My staff does do red curb. We evaluate by request. We also do periodic inspections. It's just our inspectors drive around. Keep an eye. They're looking at so many things. I'm sure they miss it quite frequently, but we do red curb in-house. I wonder, could it be driven outside of complaints? Like, is there any, I know you say that. But it should be because fades terribly. It starts to turn pink or even gets erased over time. Right. Yep. Okay. Thank you. complaints like is there any I know you said that should be because yeah fades terribly it starts starts to turn pink or even gets erased over time right yep okay thank you okay um mr. Cole followed by mr. missuda than mr. lion I know and I'll remind the council that we have a number of departments to yeah I just have two questions. So much of our budget is constrained by formulas and restrictions. And one area where we have no ability to move it outside of that arena, but a significant amount of flexibility within that arena is gas tax money. It would be helpful for our next discussion or between now and our next discussion to know how you've allocated the gas tax money, right? Because you could allocate it to street repair, you could allocate it to public transit improvements, you can allocate it to a number of other things. So that's one area where we've parceled it out and we sort of are on automatic pilot on how we divide up gas tax. So it would be helpful to have that understanding of how we allocate gas tax and we may want to re-examine how we allocate our gas tax dollars. Understood gas tax is one of the most flexible funds we do receive. It does have restrictions, but it's quite flexible. Yeah, we can't spend it on solar collectors, except maybe for streetlights. But we do have some flexibility. And I'd like to see that so we can understand where the money is being allocated the same question could you will go back to the street tree master plan slide? So I know we have a ton of staff here and I apologize that you all have to sit through each other's discussions, but I Bring to this dius a skepticism of our propensity to hire consultants I understand having been in your chairs for 20 years that sometimes we do need consultants for their expertise and sometimes we need them just as extra pairs of hands because we already have enough work on our plate to keep our people busy. But is this $400,000 of estimated cost? Is that for the inventory? Is that for consultants to tell us what kind of trees we should plant? Because if we have to wait until we get $400,000 we'll be waiting another 30 years. The 400,000 is a cost estimate staff came up with to hire a consultant to redo the tree master plan as well as redo the inventory of our 60,000 trees in the parkway. After hearing that, I directed staff and kind of encouraged them. Let's try to do this ourselves. We have five arborists. What a consultant is going to do is grab their last report from their last city that paid them, tweak it to Pasadena and say what do you want? I think we can do that ourselves. I'm encouraging them to do that. We're hoping to take guidelines to you fact at the next meeting. And that would be the smaller piece of it for the inventory. The way I'd like to handle that ultimately is the way I did it in San Gabriel where we go out for grid printing contracts. We make that an element of the grid pruning. They're already visiting every tree. We won't get it all at once We'll get the update as they create prune various sections of the city But I think that's probably the most cost effective way to get this done I know this falls under the city manager who's not here But but I recommend we we give 10% of this money as a bonus to mr. DeVinc for saving the city 300 and And 60,000 dollars publicly, I do not want that. Noted Mr. DeVinc. But obviously, I appreciate that sentiment. And I also would not underestimate the extraordinary talent within our citizens. Our Urban advisory commission, our environmental advisory commission, other people in our city who understand trees, understand climate change, understand the fact that we don't want to plant trees that are going to break up the sidewalk. Right There are a lot of pieces that go into this, but I really deeply hope that we not only draw upon the five experts you have on your staff, but also the resources that we have in our community. I think we can do a better job than a consultant could do. And I have a lot of confidence in you and your team. And if you with the community I think we can get this done after three decades of delay and the sooner the better. Thank you. By the way we spent a fair amount of money on consultants for the tree recommendations that are in the various specific plans right so that work has already been done we've already spent that money and we shouldn't duplicate that work. We don't want to duplicate it. We're trying to come up with a plan that really works better for us. Not so much a block by block gets this tree but much more situational because it doesn't consider power lines, proximity to utilities or a driveway with or the parkway, other trees nearby. We want something more systematic than just right now the old plan just has a table on this tree to get this tree. We're also looking to put in some maybe some community choice. Where if it's in front of your house there might be two or three appropriate choices. It helps canopy diversity, which will fight disease spread and other problems. So I think tree science has come a long way. I think our in-house staff is very familiar with it. I'm not a tree person. I do have to trust them, but I do. And we'll get something good out of this. It will go to other groups after you fact is okay with it. And I would just note the city manager is actually listening online. He's in the Zoom meeting along with Councilmember Madison. So he's listening. Do you mind it? Okay. I just wanted to ask for clarification on the question. Okay. So Mr. DeVink, you mentioned that you're not a tree person, but you didn't mean that in a way of you're not a tree person. You're just not a arborist. I don't have tree knowledge expertise. Thank you, you're not a arborist. I love trees. I want to see if anybody's watching there. Like, oh my gosh, this guy's not a tree person. So cut all the trees down to Pasadena. Thank you. I look for the article tomorrow. No, I'm a big tree proponent. I want to get as many healthy trees as I can while I'm here, hopefully the most appropriate trees for where they are. I just wanted to clarify how was it? Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So questions from Mr. Masuda. Thank you so much for your report. And just have a few questions. As you know we just had the eat and fire and I was told many years ago that we can't do undergrounding of utilities in upper hastings. Does that still hold true today? That is a water and power question. Why don't we reserve that question when water and power does its presentation? Okay. We have a million dollars for roof replacements. Correct. About how many buildings will that take care of because I think it will run out of money. Any answer I gave you would be wrong. So I'm not comfortable saying that. I know we have a lot of buildings. I mean, it's easy to spend that much money. We have several, when it rains, we have a dozen buildings that are complaining about leaks. It's really important that we deal with it before they become huge problems. I don't know how many, because it depends on the solution that type of roof, the age, the problem. I don't have an answer for you that I'm comfortable with. Thank you. Just like councilmember Jones, he was talking about lighting. I hear a lot about lighting in my district, LED. I just want to not put you on a spot, but that's something that I hope you think a lot about. Street paving is what I hear a lot about, and I'm sure you do as well. In fact, when I first came on, I put you aside and I start talking to you about street paving. Is that seem to be a big concern in Pasadena overall? And what is your plan? All right. Street paving is certainly a big concern. It's probably in the top three, I would say, of all concerns. It's the most obvious infrastructure we have. It affects everybody with a car, or even a bicycle, even more so. And our streets are bad, they're obviously bad. It's a huge capital investment that has been underfunded probably for decades. We just had a community meeting with Council Member Jones this Saturday and they were discussing streets. And I did point out that our current council is aware that this problem is very real. It's been underfunded. They're committing they've been committing more money recently. It's unfortunate. The only way to solve it is to come up with more money. But also on Mayan to be strategic about it to come up with the most coughs and effective ways to get our index up to make the medium streets last longer before they degrade to much more expensive full-removing replace. That's the worst scenario. We do have a huge variety of streets, but really if you live on a bad street or near a bad street, you know it, it sticks out, you're reminded every time you go on it. So I'd say the priority is extremely high. It's very important to me to pay attention to this, to put an intelligent effort into how those dollars are spent. It's a bit of a trick with six, sorry, seven council districts, where we kind of have to share this project all over and at the same time the most a cost effective way to pave is not to send the contractor loading up his equipment and driving all over the city. When I did paving in Santa Monica and that's a much smaller city it's eight square miles. We would batch pave even there we'd concentrate an area and focus in an area rather than spread them all over. But at the time, there weren't districts. All the council members were just general, not any specific district. So there's tricks to doing this. And it's a puzzle. And it's my job to solve it and to us as high an index as I can within the means of what I'm provided. But it's very important. Thank you. Last question. Pickleball. We all hear a lot about it. You mentioned a three new pickleball courts. When or what's the plan to put in the other nine? I got a deferred staff on that one. A lot of confused faces. Good evening, Mayor, members of Council, Cocoa Plan Ostea, Director of Parks, Recreation, Community Services. Councilmember Milosbers, that's a question that relates to the funding availability. We're now, when we look at the park projects, looking at which park projects based on conversation the community, the demand that we can move forward at this time, seeing that we finish the three at Vignavia and we have courts right now over at Brookside Park in the plans, in the initial plans as part of the water project that through measure W, that was approved last year by Council. So as we evaluate and we see available funding, we will be incorporating those back into the project mix for future funding. And once those funding are identified, we'll be proceeding with those projects as well. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Mr. Lion, questions? Thank you, Mayor. I will be quick. If we could go to this, the PCI slide again. So we did a lot of government acronyms, OSP and MSC and PCI. PCI is pavement condition index, right? Correct. What's our current index number? Two years ago was 57 by this chart I would just pro-rated around 5960. So and 57 is right on the on the margin between poor and fair, right? At the bottom end of fair? Yes, but but we know it's some good streets. It's some awful streets, you know, it's a mix. As a city average. It does fall at the bottom of fair, but we all kind of universally know if 57 is a failing grade. Right. And 63 percent where 63 is a goal is still in the low aspiration right so it's certainly not the streets of a world-class city correct that's correct we do have 350 miles of streets so it's just a incredibly expensive thing to to do I had success in San Gabriel and if I just pro-rated I had some budget surges there council prove more I had multi years of grants all piled up but fortunate circumstances. But if I pro-rate what happened there to here to get us into the mid 80s I'd need at least $75 million this year which isn't going to happen. Right. That's just a parade. We need to get there this year. But we probably should be aiming for it. We should aim for it. But you got to consider over time streets are always naturally degrading. Right. 75 million this year is maybe 80 million spread over two or three years or 100 million over five years, because they're always going down. It's a never ending problem. Right. Once they're up in the 80s, the preservation treatments are very affordable. The cost to keep them there is very low. We just... because they're always going down. It's a never-ending problem. Once they're up in the 80s, the preservation treatments are very affordable. The cost to keep them there is very low. We just put on slurry seals or microsurfacing, cheap processes to keep them looking fresh and to stop cracks from degrading the subbase and causing bigger problems. And conversely, when they're in bad shape, those kind of band-aid fixes end up being particularly not cost effective, right? Because we fill in a pothole and then the next time it rains, it's gone again. I can take you to three corners in my district where you've filled, since you've been here, we've filled it twice, I think. I do have a pothole story if you have a second. Out of go. The way we've historically filled potholes for, I think, decades now is our crews go out to the batch plant with a stake bed truck. And they get a load dumped on the truck. They drive it back to Pasadena. They shovel it out in the morning and compact it down. By lunchtime, it's already cooled off so much that it's not settling. It's not compacting right. And by the afternoon, whatever's left in the truck, we have to pay to dispose because it's too hard and hot or soft. Most cities, I'm surprised when I got here, have a hot patch truck. It's a truck that keeps it warm. Even what you don't use, you can keep warm till the next morning. So I am requesting one of those, but it's not part of this. Okay. Okay. To aim for improved quality of potterge. Actually good streets. We should be looking at 15, 16 million a year. Right? At least. I mean this has a. Well, it depends on how. 15 million a year, we're still only at 60, seven, right? Correct, but this keeps going. Okay. And as we get higher, we're dealing with the worst streets, it becomes more affordable over time. Right. Important point, actually, thank you for that. So you said this is one of the top three concerns. I would agree with you. I think it's one of the maybe top two concerns in the city. And it's the budget as a statement of values is not putting that kind of priority on it. And the fact is we have decades of mismanagement in this area. We have we have deferred and deferred and deferred on this on this particular expenditure and that's coming home to roost. And so we it may mean that we can't spend money in other places But now I turn to Mr. Hawksworth. I have How much have we dipped into our 5% reserve this year? Does this budget plan to dip into it at all? No, we haven't proposed the use of any of our 100% general fund reserve. I I think this is a place where the reserve is there for, it's the people's money and it's there for critical needs. And we have a critical need here. And so I think for me, the 5.9 is not satisfactory. And and we should 11 was already too low. Quick question about the Colorado Street Bridge. So we spent $3 million on design. There's no more money in for anything else. Is there ongoing, is there still some of that 3 million left that's in work toward some kind of permanent fix. There's 1.5 million still remaining in that fund. And is it being spent? Is it appropriated? Yeah, it's appropriated. Is it actually being spent? We have, I believe, two mock-ups being fabricated right now. We'll install them on the bridge. Have staff come out and test them. See if they're appropriate or not. I think we've gone, it's before I got here, but I think we've done this before. It is something that's gone on too long, but we're getting closer to a possible solution. Okay, so we're still moving forward there in some fashion. Okay, that's good to know. On the, I really appreciated the discussion about the Street Tree Master Plan. And I so wanna encourage and second your approach of doing it in-house with our current staff. I do wanna, this is the only comment I'm gonna make. I'm unwilling to wait to talk about trees for the street tree master plan anymore. I'm putting a stake in the ground now for MSC. We have done that for decades. And so when we're like, well, I want to really think about these trees, we, well, we will as soon as we get to the street treatment. Can't do it now. That is not going to happen anymore. So when we need to talk about fire resistant trees and trees that are fire vulnerable We're not gonna wait for this plan. So to the extent you can move forward With current staff with a citywide thought that'd be great, but but it has held up the conversation for decades, I think so We need to move on from that. And that's it for me. Okay. Next, Mr. Madison. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Greg, Mr. DeVanc for the summary. I also won't take much time. I want to echo Council Member Lyon that I do think we need to look at our tri-inventory, look at our projected tree ordinance, and actually just moving beyond even that one point, we need to have an overlay if you will, this budget cycle about public safety and the wake of the fires. And I think our friends from Pasoena 100 are chiming in at just the right time to tell us that this is also strongly related to climate. So I heard some things that I observed in your report would definitely qualify. Under grounding of utilities, you touched on that. I know that's water and power. To some extent, the safety and, you know, drivability of our roadways also relates to safety. I suppose some of the Eroio projects under the capital budget are also at least in part enhancing safe access. I think everything we do from January 7th forward we have to be, you know, almost imagining a box on the form that we're handling. Have we thoroughly considered and analyzed the impacts on the safety of the community based on what we learned in January, on January 7. I'll just put a pen on it for now, but I very much want to talk about the trees. I want to talk about accelerating the undergrounding somehow because that seems to be the sort of common cause of many fires. It is the, you know, the wires, even when it isn't, and palis is, for example, I'm told, they were telephone lines that were down, but because public safety personnel wisely are trained to not cross wires if they're across the roadway, that that may have impacted their ability to save some homes or not in that case. So I think we need to, and I really support my colleagues who urged us to not be formulaic or sort of, you know, routine this year, but rather really look at this budget as though we were building it from scratch. So I look forward to it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, that completes our first department. Oh, Mr. Hampton's. I had a couple questions. I would tell you on be brief, but I can't tell you that. So I had a couple questions about the streets. Everybody's brought this up. So I know that we receive funds from the gas tax. And the gas tax pays for a portion of our roadways. 1.2 million is proposed for this coming fiscal year. So the question I, I mean, I understand that this is, you know, we live in California right now. Is the gas tax? I don't, I haven't looked it up on the state. Has it steadily started to decrease? Because I know at some point there's gonna be a road charge. So anyone who's driving, you'll have to pay for the miles that you drive on the road. I believe the gas tax revenue we receive is on a declining trend. As cars are going electric. Okay, and at 2035 is it correct that the road charge comes into place? Don't know. No, we don't know when it goes to the road charge. It's a proposal. It has had or not. No, it's helpful. Not even a final. But at some point, it's going to have to. I mean, otherwise. Right, so the traditional gas tax is based. It was a flat rate based on consumption So for decades consumption went up the gas tax went up as consumption started to decline It's gone down that was the reason why I believe it was Senate bill one SB one Created sort of gas tax part two Which was the idea was to boost gas tax revenue back up, but it's still based on selling gas, right? So at some point there has to be a new methodology, but we don't know what that will be yet. Miles traveled is certainly one of the things up for discussion, but I don't think anything's been finally yet. Okay, so since it's steadily going down and we're not getting the same allocation that we have been, I understand that we're putting more in to probably try to offset some of that. I long story short, I guess we should be really trying to hone in and making sure that we don't have this D because it's not even a D. It's actually a weird way to F. On a courting to the index, to the PCI 57, 57 points, is it points or is it percent? 57 out of 100. 50, I don't know, okay, we'll call the points. We'll call the percent. That's not a passing grade, at least not in college either. Curator? I guess the demilitar division of the streets. So I would advocate for putting more funds into our roads and the reason I'm bringing this up is there are some projects you know that have been mentioned in this budget that maybe were hopes of a previous council 20 years ago and it's like there's some funds still there and we're just kind of holding on to finally get through to do this project. I just hope that our teams or city manager looks at all these projects and say you know what are these projects still projects that we need to move forward with? I bring this point to us because we're gonna be talking about water and power here in a while, and we have a underground tax. 15 years from now, I mean, I don't know the last time anybody's seen a telephone with a wire on it. Technology changes. The way we receive power in 15 years maybe you can completely different and we'll and we're spending that money on or charging our residents for maybe something that we need to look at see is there a way that we could use some of those funds for solar installs on residential homes. It's not undergrounding but you no longer will potentially need a wire going to your home anymore. So I don't know if that fits into the. But at some point we're not going to have, we're not going to get energy the way we're getting it now. The last question is, oh, actually two more lighting. The lighting LEDs in that program is a 50,000 that was going towards lights 50 to safety lights 300 to mid block lights like the globes Okay, so My question about that is with the increase in price I have are we sure that this number that was brought up today is a feasible number Tomorrow given that some of these light fixtures and lights that we receive are not made in America. It's a hard one to predict. I can call Richie back up here. I mean have we heard of any increases because of tariffs. Sure, Richard G. Principal Engineer. We have. key back up here. I mean, have we heard of any increases because of tariffs? Sure, a rich or G, principal engineer. We haven't seen any immediate changes in cost of, we've done a number of procurements over the last couple of months. It seems like LED luminaires are actually coming down in price as the technology gets better. You get more lumens per watt. In other words, the amount of energy you put in, you actually get more light so they can kind of produce them a little more cheaply. A lot of our fixtures are actually made in America. Okay. So the fixtures, but the light bulbs themselves are made in America. Yeah, so it's a whole the lumen air is a whole kit. It's the whole thing. We used to replace light bulbs, kind of like going to home depot and just get a screw in a light bulb. But now you got to buy the whole fixture, but that whole fixture lasts 20 years. Okay. Well, I just hope that we're tracking that to see if there is any increase in cost. And maybe it might be a good opportunity to try to purchase more for stock now before those increases come. Because it increases. and maybe it might be a good opportunity to try to purchase more for stock now before those increases come because increases are inevitable and they will probably be coming. The last question I have is the hot patch truck. That was a great idea because I actually had that ridden now. But I was wondering why don't we use cold patch? is cold patch just not reliable or It's it's inferior when you apply it cold it doesn't Conform as well it doesn't compress as well the bond of aggregate to aggregate is weaker It just doesn't last it doesn't okay cold patch is what you use maybe on a sidewalk to not as a temporary thing But it's not really strong enough to hold up under traffic for a long time. It's a quick fix. Right. So our patch is throughout the city, even like Washington and Royal. I know that Royal is probably, I mean, it's not probably is going to begin and repaid. So that's a great thing. But even those areas where we do the hot patch, a week to weeks later later if we get a decent rain that that hole is right back again. So Are there other mechanisms? I may have I've seen stuff online of course and And these are like those cold patch bags that you take you put them in the hole and then cars drive over and it starts to harden after a while. Have we looked at potentially using something like that or any new technology that you know as far as paving goes? I bought small quantities of that in San Gabriel to try it out. It does work. It's many times the price and with the quantity of potholes we have it's just not really effective. And like was mentioned earlier, we can do a pothole on a street that is crumbling. The potholes stay and its neighbor will pop. So it's just, I've tried it, it does what they say, but it's not cost effective and certainly not in any large quantity. Okay, so maybe it's, you know, and cost is everything, right? I mean but time as well for residence is key because all these residents talk about this pothole and we're waiting for you know to get some hot patch to go out and pot the past maybe it's's best for us to try to have some sort of, of a rod of applications for our crews to be able to go out and make these repairs as quickly as possible. Just food for thought, I understand that we have a budget and you only have so much in this budget, but if there is a way to think about having, if it works, as you mentioned, and maybe those prices have gone down since your time in San Gabriel. I'm pretty sure they have not gone down. I'd like to point out that since COVID till about now, paving streets have gone up at least 50% in material and labor. So what we're asking for $5.9 million, we could do the same quantity with $4 million five years ago. Right. Okay. Well those are my questions and comments about the budget from both so far. Thank you. Well that's one department. Remind the council if this is the opening of the CIP and at this pace we'll be here till well over 2 a.m. No offense to the rest of the departments but this is like one of them is important to the departments. No, I'm just reminding them. No, I mean I'm just saying because if people's trash don't get picked up if they got pottenbles in the streets. I agree with you. I just wouldn't say it all. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, full council session with all the departments? It's a joint meeting. We can always have a special meeting. But we have, I believe it will be on the regular agenda for the council meeting next. Unmade things. I made it. To close it out. For adoption. Right, or if we're gonna tweak it. This is our time, right? Or for the discussion we can. You do. Yeah. Right, but yeah, I mean, if the council and you certainly have provided input about suggestions or your wants, so we're certainly taking all that in. And I think some of the suggestions that have been made can apply to all of the departments, you know, looking for new technology for potholes applies. We're certainly taking all that in. And I think some of the suggestions that have been made can apply to all of the departments, you know, looking for new technology for potholes applies to every department that's doing work for us. Okay, so I am just cautioning the council that I don't think anybody wants to be here till 2 a.m. Okay, thank you. This is not nearly as important to spend half a billion dollars as it is to do a CUP appeal. That's right. Well, next up we're going to invite Mr. Joaquin CK's Director of Transportation. And sorry Joaquin, they don't appear to like buses and transit as much. Actually, let's go with the transportation that I'm going to take a moment of privilege and call our operating companies who have resident volunteers who are present. Go ahead of walking. Thank you Mayor of Ice Mayor and City Council. My favorite department the Transportation Department. So we have two sections in the CIP budget, the Transportation section which has three subsections, active transportation complete streets, traffic operations, traffic signals and intelligent transportation systems and transit, and then we have the parking section. Starting off with just some of the projects that have been completed in 2025, So these are projects that are being removed from this year's CIP. We have five projects. Four of them are in the Active Transportation and Complete Streets section. The first is Avenue 64, which included the roundabout that you see on the bottom. Left image there at Avenue 64 in Burley, as well as other improvements along that corridor. There's the North Hill Avenue project, which is the image on the right, which is that many around about at Hill and Topeka, South Lake pedestrian and access improvements to the A-line station, which included two new traffic signals, number of sidewalk and intersection enhancements for pedestrians, and the installation of leading pedestrian interval and accessible pedestrian signals at signalized intersections and that was about 70 intersections throughout the city. And those five projects totaled about 13.6 million dollars. I'm sorry, these four projects were part of that 13.6. The next project which is part of that is actually in our traffic, traffic signals, and intelligent transportation section, and it's the California Boulevard Safety and Access Enhancement Project. This project included the addition of another right turn lane at California at Pasina Avenue in order to facilitate that movement, but also included some really important pedestrian enhancements, including separating the pets from the motorist on that approach, and also adding an additional crosswalk there on the west leg of Pasina Avenue and California Boulevard. Moving on to our 2026 Transportation Project funding. Wanted to point out that a big part of what's funded in transportation is through grants. We show here that 91% of our total 278 million dollars that's allocated comes from grants. And those grants are restricted funds. There's funds specific to projects and our team is very aggressive and pursuing grants because it really helps pay for a lot of the projects that you see in the capital improvement program. There's again four sections, if you will, of the CIP. The transportation section has the three subsections and that first one of active transportation complete streets has $163 million of total project costs and of that $118 million is funded. The traffic signal operations and traffic signals and intelligent transportation system subsection has about $33 million funded and the transit subsection has about $127 million funded. The separate section of the CAP that we have is the parking section which has about $5 million funded of the $12.1 million total project costs. Wanted to take a little bit of time to really go into our breaking up these projects by project category. Almost if, if not all of our projects, really focus on safety and have a safety aspect to them, a number of these are really aimed at traffic calming. Traffic calming is what we refer to trying to slow down traffic on the streets, trying to enhance the pedestrian environment and doing other things to help all modes of traffic and increased safety through bicycle infrastructure and multimodal improvements. You'll see here that, late 12, 19 of our 47 projects are specific to traffic calming. And the other projects that we have in traffic signals, transit and parking, at least the first two also have some multim multimodal components to them, but these are projects that are really specific to traffic calming. And what that relates to is about 40% of our budget by project type. So the big chunk of our capital projects, it falls under transit. It has in the past and continues to do so and a lot of that that is to move to the zero emission vehicle fleet to create a sustainable transportation infrastructure for our vehicles and a new transit operations and maintenance facility. It's a big chunk of that. But you'll see that pedestrian safety, bicycle infrastructure and our multimodal projects really make up 40% of our project budget, actually our funding for projects within the 2026 CIP. In addition to the projects that we have funded in the amounts that we have in the CIP, there's a number of grants that we received this year that have been awarded, but they haven't been appropriated yet. So we wanted to list those because I believe when you look at RCIP and you see that there's only 130,000 that were appropriating a new funds, it doesn't account for all of these grants that have been awarded, but we're still working on funding agreements so that we can appropriate them throughout the years. And you'll see here a little over $13 million in grant funds to be appropriated to the CIP for a number of projects. And I won't go into detail just for the sake of time. As we talk about our work plan for 2026, there's a number of things that we're doing that are really going to keep us busy this year. The first is the conceptual design and outreach for what we call the measure our mobility improvement program near-term projects. That's Passy and Avian St. John improvements, Columbia Street multimodal improvements, greenways and implementation, including the Quick Build Component and the Passy and Light Rail Transit tracking and network monitoring system. So that's about $103 million of work total, inclusive of construction and as far as this year's work plan, we're looking at between $5 and $10 million of actual staff time and design time that goes into those projects. Then there's the local roadway safety action plan, which is being completed a lot about reach happening now and that's critical because it's through that plan that we can go after local roadway safety implementation funding. So pursuing additional grant funds to identify to build some of the projects that were identified through the local roadway safety action plan and really that helps us prioritize projects based on safety and need. And then lastly, within the multimodal aspect is initiating the Active Transportation Action Plan. So we had to come back last year to City Council with our pedestrian safety plan. We had our, I'm sorry, pedestrian transportation action plan Action Plan, we have our Bicycle Transportation Action Plan, which is already 10 years old, and we're gonna be combining those into an Active Transportation Action Plan that really looks at the entire multimodal network bikes, pedestrians, vehicles, but really the Active Transportation, and how to move forward on some of these projects. As we look into traffic operations from the traffic signal standpoint, we have two new traffic signals that will be in construction this year, Dumar and Michigan and Orange Grove and Craig. And then lastly, really a big component of our work plan is the program activities to support the zero emission bus transition. So it's everything from the transit operations of maintenance facility where we'll be charging vehicles to a hydrogen fueling station to just the vehicles themselves, which rolling stock is included in our capital improvement program. Our 26 budget overview, the transportation section, has 47 projects, a total estimated cost of $458 million. We have one new project with $0 recommended appropriation and we have two projects for total of 130,000 recommended appropriations. And I'll go into those in a few seconds as well as the total of $278 million appropriated through FY25, which leaves us with $180 million still unfunded. But again, that $30 million in grants will be adding to this funded pot. The two projects in the Active Transportation and Complete Street section, the first one is the Passing a Bicycle Program, which helps us implement spot treatments to the bicycle network, including gap closures, So racks for parking, and this gets an annual appropriation of 100,000 and we're recommending that appropriation again through TDA article 3 funding. The second project is the Elmo Lino Avenue Quick Build Greenway Demonstration Project. So as you know, we have four North South Greenways that are in the CAPN funded. This project funding was specific to the Elmo Lino Avenue Quick Build, Elmo Lino Avenue corridor in order to build temporary paint and plastic quick build components so that we can test them as part of a quick build project and see how they would could be used as final design for concrete type construction along all four corridors. This is $1.95 million that's identified in a grant that we have been awarded. It is a federal grant so we're not sure whether it's going to move forward or not. But we right now show it as zero dollars recommended appropriation, but we wanted to split the project from the rest of the project because of the federal funds. So this is just the quick build component of the Greenways project. And then in traffic operations, traffic signals and intelligent transportation systems, we We have the old Pasadena traffic improvements. It's an annual appropriation of 30,000 that comes from the parking meter revenue from the Pasadena Management District and goes into enhancements of signs, striping, and operations in opacity. Last couple slides are regarding our parking program. I'm sorry, a parking section of the CIP, has one project. It is a total estimated cost of $12.1 million, recommending this year again to appropriate $1 million of funds in FY26 and no new projects. And this project is the Off-Street Parking Facility and Maintenance, parking facility maintenance and repair project. And this is the maintenance, the deferred maintenance items that were identified in the WGE Garage Assessment Study. Currently includes the elevator upgrades that are currently happening, and we're in the middle of that process as well as upgrading our carbon monoxide sensors and other enhancements to garages to to to keep them standing And that concludes the presentation. Thank you Mr. Jones followed by Mr. Cole questions. Yeah, thanks mayor. Appreciate it. Thanks, Joaquin, appreciate your presentation and your team as well. I think Nader and John and Donson and the rest of the team, they're always very responsive to the District 3 office, so we really appreciate their help. I just had one quick question in regards to the transit operations and maintenance facility. So I'm looking at the allocations here and so my understanding is that this project was going to be built and complete in 2028 and then we already have all the funding for it but looking at the allocation here it looks like, it's saying that the design will continue for this upcoming year. And then two, there's a proposed for 2030 and beyond, for 31 and a half million dollars. My understanding is that the vehicles that will eventually be charging there are the ones that are going to exit off of Hammond on the city facility, right? And so the residents have been promised that it's a temporary use that you'll exit Hammond and that's only going to be for two years. But looking at this document, I think they would have concern that that's not going to be the case. So yes, the Transit Operations and Maintenance Facility was fully funded for the design that we had initiated through the concept design phase. As we went through the design process, and as we were going through identifying, well, we had originally 35 foot buses that were identified for this facility, but the manufacturers of those buses no longer exist. The hydrogen 35 foot buses. So we are required to go with 45 buses, which required us to change the layout of the facility and provide an additional floor of parking. That additional floor of parking would have gone underground. So that increased the cost of significantly, but in this design phase and we're currently at that 30% design level, we're looking at ways to reduce that cost back down closer to that initial cost of 65 by removing that subterranean parking and looking for other parking opportunities nearby. So we've put that high end of the estimate in the CIP in case we need to go to that level, but we don't anticipate that we'll need that full amount of 100 million. To the response of your question of timing, we're still committed to getting this commissioned and have buses running by 2028. So one of the advantages of the construction management at risk contract is the ability to pivot quickly when we have design issues that require us to refine the design and value engineer things out and then move forward with that process. So we're still on track for 2028 essentially. Yes, we are. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mr. Cole? So, this is not meant to be a rhetorical question. You made some really valid points about the amount of work that we have stored up and have funded through really aggressive and I think creative pursuit of grant funding from state and federal sources. And so kudos that we are well endowed to continue to make some progress this year. But when I add up the projects just that are on the board, it's $180 million. And we're putting $130,000 toward $180 million need this year. And I'm guessing, and this is the part of the question that's not rhetorical, I'm guessing that the money that we are anticipating 7 million next year or 24 million two years from now, $11 million in the third year. And certainly the 136 million that's completely unfunded at this point. I'm guessing that a fair amount of that would have been federal grants. Am I right? It could be. Most of the time we go after state funding or local county funding when we're pursuing different grants. So, the amount that's unfunded in the CIP now are future projects that could be federal state or local funding. What happens with grants is that we're really trying to adhere to certain grant conditions and many of our grants in the past have been really focused on equity on making sure that we're serving disadvantaged communities. So you'll see a lot of the work that we're receiving grant funding for are projects that were in disadvantaged communities. So we're really pushing those projects. That may change with this administration, so there'll be different sets of rules for grants. May change. And as part of that, we will be redefining kind of how we package our grant applications to be still trying to get to the same end of improving pedestrian safety, improving bicycle connections and safety, improving safety for all of our road users, getting people to use the bus and really being an active transportation system, but just kind of redefining how that funding comes in. I understand and respecting that we're asking questions at this point. I do think we'll have to ask the broader question of how are we going to pay for $180 million without a better source of funding than relying on state and federal grants in the next five years. Thank you, Mr. Cole. Okay. Mr. Seges, thank you. Again, now we'll call RBOC in deference to our volunteers, the resident, board members. Mr. Hadterline. Good evening. Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council, senior staff, Steve Hadterline, president of the Rose Bowl Operating Company. tonight to introduce the Rose Bowl operating companies Fiscal Year 26 Capital Budget. Fiscal Year 26 Budget is comprised of $28.5 million in projects. Their investments into the stadium and into the golf course. These projects are funded by the operations of the RBOC and the efforts of legacy, the foundation legacy. The goal is to improve fan experience, maintain the stadium at a high level, and maintain the golf course as a high quality golf experience. I should note that most of the funds that are raised by legacy are dedicated to specific projects. These projects have been thoroughly vetted by the RBOC staff, then through the operations committee, the RBOC, the Board of Directors of the RBOC, and are here tonight for your consideration. I want to thank the RBOC team under the leadership of Jen's Whiten for working to identify these projects, as well as securing the funding for these projects. General Manager Derek Dulittle, legacy president Deden Brazino, Mosulama, chief financial officer, all leaders in this effort to bring this capital projects list forward. This time, I'll turn it over to Derek Dulittle, General Manager of the Rose Bowl operating company, who will provide a more thorough presentation. Mr. Doolittle. Good evening Mayor Gordo, Vice Mayor, Council Members. My name is Derek Doolittle, General Manager with the Rose Bowl Operating Company. And I am proud to present on behalf of the RBOC, our proposed fiscal year, 2026, Capital Improvement Program, a plan that continues to invest in Pasadena's world-renowned stadium and community assets. Before presenting our upcoming priorities, I'd like to highlight some key FY25 accomplishments that have preserved, modernized, and enhanced the Rose Bowl campus. Ensuring it remains a source of civic pride, economic vitality, and community engagement. Over the course of the fiscal year 2025, we've made significant strides in preserving and enhancing the Rose Bowl campus. This past August, we unveiled the venue's fifth statue, honoring Archie Griffin, the only two-time Heisman Trophy winner, and a player who appeared in four Rose Bowl games. Griffin now stands proudly alongside Pasadena Legend, Jackie Robinson, along with Terry Donahue, Keith Jackson, in the 1999 US Women's World Cup team. In celebration of its 75th birthday, the iconic Rose Bowl marquee was carefully refurbished, preserving its historic character while enhancing its appearance as one of the most beloved and photographed landmarks in our area. We also made important upgrades to our stadium seating. During the summer, we replenished attic stock for future repairs and introduced safe standing seating. If flexible state-of-the-art seating type that UCLA has already used to create an exciting new student section. On the technology front we replaced our stadium's original 1990s era loudspeakers with a modern sound system dramatically improving sound quality and guest experience. We also substantially expanded operational Wi-Fi coverage throughout the stadium concourse. Over at Brookside, we refurbished the heavily traffic to restrooms at the Brookside Clubhouse, a critical improvement for both golfers and recreational loop users alike. We also introduced a new meeting space inside the Clubhouse Pro Shop, the terrific amenity for breakfast and lunch meetings adjacent to our restaurant. Other projects currently underway include major assessments and design work toward stadium plumbing infrastructure improvements, campus beautification enhancements along Rosemont, Avenue, improvements of our food and beverage operation, and new graphic installations inside the Brookside Clubhouse. Moving on and sorry looks like that top line is not mine but looking ahead the Roseville operating companies proposed FY 2026 capital improvement program totals 28.5 million dollars supporting critical infrastructure, sustainability, and guest experience initiatives throughout the Roseville campus. Turning first to the Brookside Golf Course where we are proposing $2 million capital investment for FY 26. First, we plan to enhance our restaurant food and beverage offerings, upgrading the clubhouse restaurant, and continuing to explore opportunities for new initiatives throughout the property. Our goal is to better meet the modern dining trends, improve the guest experience, and increase revenue potential. Second, we will conduct a comprehensive irrigation assessment and concept plan. This initiative will evaluate the performance of our irrigation infrastructure and prove water use efficiency and ensure continued compliance with environmental best practices. Third, we will launch a turf reduction in water conservation project by replacing water intensive turf with drought tolerant landscaping. We will reduce water consumption, create attractive and sustainable green spaces, and further our commitment to responsible resource management. This $2 million investment is fully funded through restricted use revenues generated on site, which include food and beverage sales and green fees. Also a $1 million contribution from our golf course management partner Trune and anticipated turf replacement rebates. An important note through recent conversations and in partnership with Pasadena Water and Power, we understand that we may be eligible for further funding for our turf reduction and water conservation project. As those conversations continue, we will come back to council for further budget requests as necessary. now to the Rose Bowl Stadium where we are proposing a $26.5 million investment for FY 26, please note that $26.5 million is inclusive of those components of which I'm going to discuss now. The important initiative for us will include the pursuit of a comprehensive upgrade of our CCTV system. We will assess and redesign the system to feature high-definition cameras and expanded coverage zones, improving event security and public safety. We also modernize our concession buildings and food and beverage equipment to optimize service, speed, expand offerings, and meet the evolving expectations of today's. We are moving forward with critical concrete maintenance and repair projects, focusing on areas that need reinforcement to extend the structural life of the stadium. We will upgrade our digital display infrastructure, replacing aging components to maintain high quality fan engagement and protect important sponsorship revenue streams. We plan to replace our outdated lighting state-owned lighting control system with a more efficient and sustainable platform which will lower operating costs and enhance event lighting flexibility. Bassenger elevator modernization is another priority. Replace engaging equipment and integrating modern control systems to ensure better reliability and service. We will also invest in the modernization of concourse restrooms, upgrading these heavily used areas to improve functionality, aesthetics, and maintenance efficiencies. Also recognizing the importance of staying technologically forward looking. We will launch an assessment and planning initiative for all stadium technology systems. This strategic effort will guide short, mid and long-term infrastructure upgrades across security, operations, and fan engagement technologies. We also replace the ticket operations facility outside of Gate B with a new modern prefabricated structure dressing the aging and outdated condition of the current building. From a historic standpoint we are excited to install the 1902 East West Game Statue paying homage to the first ever bull game defining moment in Pasadena's history. And finally one of our most exciting initiatives is the development of the south End Zone premium seating area, this component of the FY 2026 budget, intense to leverage existing seating on the south end of the Rose Bowl Stadium, and existing hospitality spaces at the field level on the south end, by bringing together to create an indoor outdoor club lounge space with accompanying premium style seating in order to provide a versatile upscale environment for existing user stadium users including football, soccer and concert attendees. This specific component of the FY20's X budget is a key component of the last thing Legacy campaign. Our stadium capital program is fully funded through restricted use capital cash and a small operational capital set aside. In closing, we recognize that sustaining and enhancing the Rose Bowl stadium and Brookside Golf Course requires vision, diligence and partnership. We are particularly grateful for the continued efforts of the Rose Bowl Legacy Foundation whose philanthropic successes have made many of these projects possible. The generosity of supporters from Pasadena and Beyond reaffirms the vital role these venues play on a local, national and international stage. As stewards of one of Pasadena's greatest public treasures, we remain deeply committed to preserving, improving and celebrating the Rose Bowl for future generations. Thank you for your partnership and trust as we continue to build a legacy that lasts another 100 years and beyond. And I'll take any questions. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Doolittle, and I would join you and say thank you to the legacy partners and all the donors who have made these projects and others possible. Thank you. Council. Council Member. Mr. Cole, followed by Mr. Madness. I have two questions. The first question is on the 34,500,000 that's been appropriated or is recommended to be appropriated for the impressive list of projects that you've just articulated. Is that 8 million in hand and is the 26 and a half million to be allocated this year? In hand, is that pledges? Is that what what what's the status of that? Sure. Total 34 million. Yeah, so the total and just to clarify, it's $28.5 million. So I apologize, I'm not sure where the $34 million is coming from. On the golf course side, there's portions of it that come from different revenue streams, such as capital from food and beverage, of which is $123,000. We also have a $5 green fee per green fee that goes to capital at the golf course, which is $427,000. $1 million over at the golf course is restricted capital cash given to us by our third-party management team in Trune, as part of a management deal they signed last year. Yeah, you went through that. I get that. I'm asking is all of the 26.5 million that we're appropriating this year. Okay. Yeah, you went through that. I get that. I'm asking is is all of the 26 and a half million that we're appropriating this year? Okay, it's the status of that. Yeah, understood. Of that, about $4.5 million is coming to us through Capital Cash available, which will be going into the FY 26 and other $22 million is based upon pledges or already in hand cash relative to the lasting legacy campaign through the Rose Bowl legacy foundation. Eight million dollars of that is a capital give to us from our third party multimedia right it's partner JMI sports. Okay. Appreciate that. My second question is for your CEO if Mr. Whiden doesn't mind Join us Mr. Widen publicly you've described the needed improvements and deferred maintenance to our 100 year old stadium on the order of about if if I'm accurately quoting you $200 million, is the legacy campaign part of that is so if we raise $75 million with the legacy campaign, does that leave $125 left? And what is the nature of that $200 million? How much of it is what you might call improvements? How to stay state of the art? How much of this is just a 100 year old stadium that is naturally falling apart? Very good question. So what I would say is that one, the legacy, the lasting legacy campaign is inclusive of that little over $200 million in capital needs over the next 20 years. The RBOC is very proud to say we don't have any deferred maintenance per se. We have preventative maintenance that we budget for every year to the tune of around $2 million. And then we have a plan over the next 20 years to try and fund those challenges. That look out 20 years, as was mentioned by Council Member Hampton, is a look, right? Things change and needs of attendees change and we also may run into things that we didn't know were out there that need to come up. Our team has done very detailed analysis and also brought in third parties that have done analysis where we've said, hey, show us what we need to work on over the next 20 years. So this is not 100% internal. But what I can say is the $80 million lasting legacy campaign are a list of projects that legacy chose that they thought they could best be successful in fundraising for. So those projects are not all fan amenities included in that are gas and water lines, but they know that they've had some success in Sacramento and DC on infrastructure items. So that item was chosen to be part of that lasting legacy campaign has actually funded some other components of the lasting legacy campaign Legacy campaign that will likely happen after the Olympics are a seat reduction on the east and the west a new video board to get a little bit closer to our competition will not be so by stadium but we do need a board that's big enough for people to see so that list was chosen by them for their campaign that they're in the middle of right now and they'd like to fund through that the remainder of those items as as we work through this with our both legacy but also through our operations are gonna be items that we're gonna have to go after every year. So to answer your question, we do not have $200 million and we're just choosing this first 28 million to go spend there. I personally believe that every year we'll be very similar to this year and you asked a great question of what is in hand, what are we to spend so what we do is we like with our event budget we go out and we we have a plan on where we're going to get but we don't not plan to spend those dollars because they're not necessarily in hand so we have some donor pledges as an example that are tied to that South field club that are contingent upon certain milestones of that actually happening shoveling the ground there's, there's a payment made. The next step in the process of payment is made. But I do know that when we come here at the end of May, at the beginning of June with our operating agreement, we're actually going to present all of Council with a long-term 20-year capital assessment that is over $200 million. We're very quick to say that's not deferred maintenance. That's not a matter of the building has $200 million in problems that we need to fix. This is us asking the doctor the questions, what do I need to do over the next 20 years to stay healthy? And that is what we're excited to present that. It's actually required in our operating agreement that we do present that and we will be presenting that long-term capital look when we come to show you our operating budget for FY26. And this is a little bit of an unfair question, so I'll preface it with this, but how much do that do you need in the next five to ten years versus would love to have? Yeah, I may let Derek jump in on what we're anticipating over the next five years, just in order of magnitude, to talk about, because really what we've done is we've assessed all of our different assets and our assets are weighted in different levels. There's some that are critical, infrastructure safety, those things are critical. Well, it's the, that's really what I was driving in. Yeah, so I'll let Derek jump in. Yeah, to Dr. Deloff, what Jen's was discussing, we created a consequence of failure and a likelihood of failure exercise on all the critical stadium assets. And through that, over the next five years, which is what's most reasonable for me to project right now from a need versus a want, we're probably looking in the range of three to six million dollars in any given year of needs that we need to fill. That's really helpful. Can we as we entertain this plan and vet as a council, can this be incorporated into our capital plan? It seems to me that to have zeros for the next four years when we're being told that we have critical needs of three to six million dollars. That's unrealistic and I think it may be unrealistic to pay for 200 million over the next 20 years, but it's unrealistic to budget zero. And if I could jump in, I believe that was a, that's due to a form, how a form fills. So we do at the RBOC and RBOC board has seen this 20 year plan and we do have specific numbers for those years. So when council member Madison brought that to my attention, I did mean to bring that up, is we are not planning on zero at the RBOC and we do have a plan, but I do know that I believe at a prior meeting you were provided a report that did show zeros for the RBOC. I jokingly, preemptively went to my board and said, I promise that is not something that we are condoning because our board is pretty dead set on capital investment on our building is the most important thing for the future of this building. We're very lucky that we're as busy as we've ever been. The reason that we are as busy as we've ever been is because we've invested in preventative maintenance in capital projects to keep this building. still a building that people want to go to. So you have our commitment that when we come here with our opera agreement and annually we will show that and then we'll also make sure that rolls into that report so it doesn't look like our plan is to put zero dollars in in the coming years. Okay. Mr. Madison. Thank you Mayor. I know I'm honored to serve as the council's representative on the RBOC. And I did also want to express gratitude to, obviously Steve Hadterline's done a phenomenal job leading a really top notch board of directors, Jens and his staff, again, top flight. You know, there was an article about Steph Curry that I read today about what makes him such a great champion. And it's empowering those around him. It's not all about him. And I'm probably embarrassing him, but I would say Jens and Deaned and Enderick and the entire team down there, having cultivated that exact same mentality. And I'm glad that Jen's had an opportunity to correct the misimpressure and that sadly even some on this council have portrayed that we have deferred maintenance at the Rose Bowl. What we're trying to do is remain current and competitive with our neighbors who are dedicated to try and take away any event that they can from us. And the other point that I just wanted to make real quickly is that as we consider these budgets, that I think now we've seen in a whole new light how the Roseball is not just sports in entertainment venue. It is a huge asset for the city of Pasadena and I for one want to start a conversation in this budget cycle about how we can incorporate more public safety services on an ongoing basis at the Roseball. We have some needs as the council well knows and the staff, you know, around fire headquarters, around a training center. I know that the police department has some needs in that regard as well. And, you know, we saw first hand what an asset the Rose Bowl was during the aftermath of January 7th. So I want to keep that conversation going and I can assure all my colleagues that all these projects are vetted very thoroughly. I'll spare you the great details of the ones that you're not seeing, the ones that get left on the cutting room floor, but what the RBOC will bring to the council in these budgets will be carefully vetted and very carefully calibrated to meet the needs of the market. So look forward to the discussion, Mayor. Thank you. Thank you. The public safety role that the roles will play to is very, very important. And I think looking at the infrastructure and capital needs indeed, hopefully, we don't need it, but in the event that we do would be an important issue to look at. I agree. Mr. Hampton? Yeah, I just wanted to, you know, agree that, you know, the roles well is doing an amazing job in your team and your leadership. You guys have been, you know, based on the concerns I hear from the neighbors on a regular about it is, it has gone down significantly since my start of being on the city council. So you guys are just steadily chipping away at being even a better neighbors And you guys have always been great neighbors, but always being proactive about you know things that are neighborhood concerns and I just want to Give my thanks and gratitude to the whole team and as well as The what are the council members and call to the fantastic board? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, board? No, no, no, no, you wasn't use top notch board, you know, I was on the board for a minute But no one ever dispatched it as top notch when I was But I Councilman ever happened so you're included in that. Oh, I appreciate you, though But as far as the public safety piece of it goes around the Rose Bowl not just the Rose Bowl, but I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited to be here. especially after COVID. I mean mean COVID, it's really changed the way people think about going outside. And there, I believe, since I've lived here in Pasadena, my whole entire life, that there are more rec creators around the Rose Bowl than there were prior to me when I was in high school. And so I'm seeing more. And I lived there too. So having... I was going to say you have a pretty nice view of it. I know it's on the royal. I don't know about all that. Hold on. Strike. Just a basic guy. You know what I'm just saying? So yeah, I just want to say that enhancing our public safety around the roles bowl in that area is definitely important. So thank you. And as well as I want to also give a big thanks to the Transportation Department with the new upgrades to the SACO Rosemont Crosswalk, enhancing public in well-sipedestrian crossings in that area. It's been something that the neighbors have been asking for for extremely long time. So be good to us to the transportation department for seeing that and as well as to the Rose Bowl probably for supporting that effort as well. So thank you. That was those are my comments. Thank you, Mr. Jones. Thanks, Marin. I just want to echo the comments of my colleagues. You've been very supportive in neighborhood protection. You've met with the residents, the vocal residents, the quieter residents, and you've ensured that their streets are protected just as any other neighborhood around the Rose Bowl. So I really appreciate that, and I know they've expressed to me that they appreciate the work that you guys have done. So thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you both. Thank you all. And thank you to the RBOC board members, past and present. Next, PCOC, sticking, sorry Mr. Reyes, as we're sticking with the volunteers of Whom this is not one Mayor members of the council I'm Michael Ross with the Pasadena Center operating company. It's a pleasure to be here today. The accomplishments in 2025 where in the middle of those is the first phase of the waterproofing and painting of the exterior of the facade at the civic auditorium, including the replacement of the stairs. Again, that's been completed the first phase of this. The project was approved by the City of Pasadena, Design and Historic Preservation Division, and we received a $2.5 million loan from the city for this project. We also have been doing all of our general and emergency repairs as needed. In 2026, we actually have two active projects, but only one that we're asking funding for. It's $3 million for one project. And that project is to continue the major amount of money of the 3 million is to continue the work plan for the civic auditorium. The civic auditorium, we now need to move to the outside, where the outside plaza, on the east side leaks pretty, it leaks a lot into the downstairs, all of the meeting rooms and chorus rooms, and again, so that's the next phase, and then also Halsey, we're doing some work there, which Halsey, you know, is the attached to the civic auditorium, It's a room in the back where we'll have the mayor's prayer breakfast. We're also going to update our ballroom with LED lighting. It's a retrofit, it's a complete retrofit from anything from the electrical control panel to the fixtures and again all the electrical wiring. Our parking structure, our parking structure, just as the cities, we went through the same consultant to take a look at our parking structure along with the city's parking structures. And again, we have a lot of repairs that are needed. A lot of gutter work, a lot of repairs at the expansion joints. And again, it's just an ongoing fix for our parking structure. And of course, we have general and emergency repairs as needed. The pretty easy, pretty simple here. We have $18 million, $18.8 million is the total cost, $3 million today. We've spent almost $9 million to date. The funding will come from $200,000 from our Facility Restoration Fund, and $2.8 million from our reserve funds. We have a second project that has not been funded for years. And it's a replacement of an HVAC system at the Civic Auditorium. The idea is to tie in the Civic Auditorium to our main facility that was put in in 2009. 2009. Anyway, do you have any questions? No, thank you, Mr. Ross. Again, like the RBOC, the PCOC did a phenomenal job. We're reminded of the asset that, the public safety asset that it is in the middle of fires and during COVID it served a very important role in our public safety ecosystem so thank you to you and your staff and to your board as well. The city staff did an excellent job too. Those first five days we were on our own with the city staff and they did awesome Thank you Mr. Hampton followed by Mr. Moussouda Yeah, I just wanted as of the board representative for the city council. I want to say comes that our PCOC Team that the whole team over there does an amazing job on a day to day. And I have to give these kudos because I go to pretty much, I don't say all the events, but I do like to go buy and check out the events and see what the hospitality is, right? Now, our customers that are coming to Pasadena visitors that are coming to Pasadena, how they're being treated. And the Pasadena, the Convention Center staff, as well as the Visited Pasadena staff, does a phenomenal job at making sure that everyone who comes into the Convention Center feels as if they are residents of the city of Pasadena or they're actually family. And maybe a lot of that has to do with the amount of actual residents that are hired by the PCOC, but I wanna just say that starts at the top and the PCOC staff does an amazing job. And so, Michael, wanna thank you for your leadership over at the PCOC. And for these aging facilities that we have, there's potentials of us talking about, expanding our convention offerings. I mean, we have a book calendar. I mean, lots of all of our patrons that come enjoy the convention center space as well as our business center. And the Civic Auditorium also gets used by PUSD and the likes of everyone in our community. So it's a beautiful facility. If you're thinking about having a convention and everybody's watching this, just think about that. Think about passing it first. So thank you Mike and thank you to the whole team. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Madison. Thank you, Mayor. Although you did mention Mr. Masudez. He had a meeting. No, no. No problem. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you for mentioning that to both you and Mr. Hemp, for mentioning the PCOC's role in the fires as well. That was remarkable. Mike, turning our convention center into an emergency evacuation shelter in 90 minutes time was phenomenal and also not surprising for those of us who have worked with you for so many years. So thank you to you and your staff. The only thing I wanted to put a pin in in this discussion is the future of the ice rink in Pasadena and at your campus. And really no need to even respond right now, but I would like you in this budget cycle to talk about what are our long-term plans. I know when we cited that rank some years ago it was viewed as being sort of semi-permanent or semi-temporary depending which side you looked at it and you know we must be approaching some decisions about that and so just want to put a opinion on that and thank you again. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Ross. Thank you. Yes. Ross, actually, while you're still up there, maybe you can answer the question about what Councilman Madison just brought up. I know that we just recently, not recently, but two, is it been two years now? That the tent was re--ed vinyl? Yeah, we put the new vinyl on the outside of the ice rink. And the vinyl has another 15-year-plus lifespan. But the facility, we turned the compressor design in 2011 and outside of COVID, they've never been turned off. And it's 27, 24, 7. So it's, you know, eventually we're going to have to do some major renovations. And we just did a major repair of one of the condensers. Yeah. During COVID. Yeah. Yes. When we were down, it was the first time we actually did some major repairs. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you and now Mr. Reyes, passing the water and power. Thank you Mayor. You know that Greg already got a bonus and he's the most important department but um I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that I'm going to say that and he's the most important department, but thanks for saving the best for last year. I'm going to say they're most important. So I'll jump inside Mayor and I'm going to introduce our AGM, Lynn Chamowicz, to give the presentation. But I wanted to address just a couple of questions because this is going to be an ongoing conversation regarding undergrounding. On May 13th We are going to MSC the municipal services committee with the wildfire mitigation plan as required each year and we'll be discussing more of that But I did want the council to know that all of the tier three areas Which are the extreme fire risks those are all going to have their high voltage lines, and as well as some of the tier two areas as well. So we'll be talking more about that at the May 13th meeting. And then we do have some additional information regarding the Don Benito and some of our other reservoirs in the area. We're going to underground those lines, so make sure that they're going to be more resilient in case of a fire and we're not going to rely on generators. But with that, I'd like to introduce Lynn Chamowicz, our AGM for Finance and Administration. Oh, when I just lost Tony. Thank you. Good evening, Council. Today for the Water and Power Department there's basically three guiding principles for the investments that we're going to make that are presented in the capital improvement program. The first theme is really technology transformation. There's two key projects under technology transformation for both the water and power sections and systems. The first is enterprise asset management. That doesn't sound very exciting, but what it is is really a transformation of the way that we fundamentally do business at water and power. It's digitizing the whole system and making sure that all of the future investments that we have have the data, the work orders and all of that for making sure that we're prioritizing the right future investments in our infrastructure. Advanced metering infrastructure is also extremely important. This is something that's been in the plan for quite a while and what it does is also very exciting because it enables us to have that two-way communication with our customer and they have valuable information. And we can also implement a lot of different programs such as demand reduction programs that we're not able to do right now because we don't have that fundamental capability with our meters. The next section is electrical reinvestment and growth. So resolution 997-7 has been a guiding principle for an investment. So that... is electrical reinvestment and growth. So, Resolution 9977 has been a guiding principle for an investment, so that includes the installation of carbon-free infrastructure, working on making sure that our sub-transmission systems are capable of the energy sector of the future, and also making sure that we're prepared for climate change events such as the fire by making sure that our distribution system is hardening to mitigate future risks. And on the water side, we also have the Sunset Reservoir, which is a sort of generational project that we're investing in in the future that is phased and designed for future growth. Mainline replacements, much like paving. Once you get behind, it's really difficult and expensive to catch up. So we have some of those fundamental activities that are ongoing and programmed into the future, as well as water supply diversification and enhancements. These are all investments that we're making in the system for the future. We also keep in mind our ratepayers for every single action that we do and every investment that we make. We want to make sure that we're making in the system for the future. We also keep in mind our rate payers for every single action that we do and every investment that we make. We want to make sure that we're making smart investments. And I want to emphasize keeping rates affordable. Our rates are extremely affordable now, and I don't want to see that change into the future. So we have a couple strategies that we're using throughout all of these programs to balance the impact to our rate payers. So one is controlling costs. We've talked about supply chain issues, tariffs. We use sort of strategic supply chain management to make sure we're making the purchases. We have contracts going when we need to and we have our warehouse infrastructure that's able to store materials and avoid sort of costly procurements into the future. We also use debt financing, a lot of the different segments of the city don't use debt financing. So we also have rate payers that we're accountable to are not rate payers. We have investors that we're accountable to and lenders. But that's another component that makes us able to spread out the cost of some of these costly infrastructure over many years. And then we also have grant funding or any other funding source that we can use to offset the right-payer dollars. And so this is all integrated into the strategies that we bring to you for future policy development, using technology, looking at the long-term return on investment for all these activities, and then asset management planning. So with that, I'll dive into some of the details for the water system. Some of the key accomplishments for fiscal year 2025. The park well at Villa Park is a really good example of water and powers collaboration with parks and rec. We took the need for a new well at Villa Park and we collaborated with parks and rec to install a new basketball court. The ribbon cutting is coming soon. But as we work on things that are underground and unseen, we also make sure that we reinvest in the infrastructure on the top that people do see with that basketball course. A great example of that. The Ross Booster station improvements, explore well below great improvements. We've also completed five water main replacements as well as customer development projects, purchasing of new laboratory equipment for our drinking water lab, And then we've also completed some design efforts such as the Arroyo Seco project infiltration basin and then other booster station upgrades. All of our drivers for water investments are driven by some sort of plan. So we want to make sure that we have a resilient delivery system. So in that orange is the new projects that the only new CIP for the water system, which is associated with the Eaton wind storm and fire recovery. But we also know that having a healthy sunset reservoir is important as well as mainline replacements. We want a reliable water supply. So that includes infiltration projects such as a Royal Seco and the Explorer well, and then also the other pinnacle of that is the or spoke is the technology modernization. Again, those are driving what future investments we make into the future. This is an overview of the 2026 budget plan. So total funding of $64.2 million of the 2026 budget plan. So total funding of $64.2 million. Of that debt is planned for about 42% of that through the WIFIA program that we'll be applying to. 21.6 million is from rate payer funds. Re-embursement other includes the NASA reimbursement for the Explorer well. We also grants and system development charges, which are those customer connection fees that are paid to the water system. There's 27 estimated projects with a total estimated cost of $425 million. The appropriation recommended for this year's $53.8 million. Again, with the work plan being $64.2 million. Our total work plan we're not going to go over every single detail project in there, but they're bucketed into these different categories. So for the distribution, I think water mains, for storage, it's our reservoir projects, for supply, it's our wells, and other infotation projects, technology, and then facilities and services. So this is the one new project, the Eaton Windstorm and Fire Recovery, full disclosure. Some of these costs are ever evolving. So these are just the planned appropriations for the next year that we had at the time of the development of this project. But it is important replacing really critical infrastructure that was damaged and replacing it in a better condition than we found it with more resilient infrastructure planned in. So one is the Don Benito reservoir, the Elm reservoir, and other replacements. So the total estimated cost at this point was $14.9 million with 11.2 for reimbursement from FEMA and then 37 or 3.7 million from the water fund. In 26 design and construction will be designed will be implemented for all the affected infrastructure. Again, I did want to note this is likely to evolve and change over time as we better understand the full extent of the damage. This is a highlight of our continuing project. So the Sunset Complex Project of the $83.4 million project, the Work Plan for 2026 is $9.3 million, so that's really to start getting going so we can have shovels in the ground. Distribution mains is keeping up with the replacement of the distribution mains, a Royo-Secco Canyon project, and then the Monk Hill Groundwater Treatment Improvements. Those are also significant projects, and then those are bracketed by our other technology projects, which is advanced metering infrastructure and enterprise asset management, which are both found in both funds, because we have a shared system for all of the technology projects. So this is sort of what we have spent historically on the water system and this is what we're planning on spending. So as you can see it's more than doubling the level of effort being put into our infrastructure over the next five years is extremely significant. So using all the measures that we have to keep rates affordable is really important going into the future and we're going to use every tool we can to make sure that that is consistent into the future. With that, I'm going to move on to our electric system. Mayor could given this, most of this money is electric and water, could we have the questions for each? Wouldn't be better just complete the. Yeah, half of this budget is these two departments. Aren't there enough divisions. So, um, hmm, we want to split it. That's what I'm suggesting. What's the will of the council? Okay. Let's, uh, I'm getting, I'm getting a back to you. You've got the power. It's your call. I'm here or so whenever. You've power so to speak I'm here all night Mr. Rissuda Mr. Rias, I still have that same question in Regarding undergrounding Upper Hastings I was told many years ago that you you're not able to do under grounding because the electric lines are behind the homes. So is that still the problem? Should we address that when? Okay, why don't you just answer it now? I'm going to start and turn over to Rue Genevue in our AGM. So the complete undergrounding does typically require both high voltage level to turn down the communications. So there is sometimes the lots that are back to back and then you have down the middle. It's difficult to get to, but the real fire hazard is with the high voltage and those typically are not in the back and those go to the front. So it's not really a matter of can it be done? It's really a matter of prioritization and so with respect to again the wildfire mitigation plan that we're bringing forward, we do want to share with the community that all of the areas that are in tier 3 or tier 2 which are the severe and the high. We are planning to underground all of the high voltage areas within the city in those areas. I don't believe that lower hastings or upper hastings excuse me is within the tier two area. I believe it's tier one. But again, to answer the question, we could underground. We could underground. It does present challenges to do both, but the high voltage certainly could be done easier than the back. I don't know if that's helpful to answer the questions. It's the residents that are paying for undergrounding. Yes. And to hear that it's impossible to underground in upper hastings was not something that they wanted to hear. of members, so a version of ADN, Assistant General Manager for Prior to the Library. I believe, Council Member Moussouda, you're referring to the underground district program, which we had categories, category one for higher priorities, category two for the next category or the next level, and we had infeasible, so it's not impossible. So those were areas where the lines were in the back property lines and those were basically, if you look at the 400 years that was presented before, they were like, they were not even included in that. So it's not impossible, it's infeasible. But there are areas where we have power lines in the back, property lines that we are planning to on the ground. Those are in the high fire areas that Mr. Reyes already mentioned. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Lion. Thank you, Mayor. Very quick questions. We can go back, maybe one slide, I'll do it, I think. So what's what's this is a very basic question but what's the differential between the recommended appropriation and the work plan? Yeah so if there's a slight timing delay and we've already appropriated dollars in the prior year it's it's to deal with the multi-year aspect of some of these projects that we've already appropriated in a prior year budget so we don't need that for the work plan. Perfect. Thank you. And then, is there, you made the apt comparison between our maintaining or replacing water mains and street paving? Is there a similar grade? Do we have a sense of where we are, citywide, on our kind of where our mains are we have what percentage for example are over 60 years old yeah we do have that in our water system sort of master plan that we do the worser so we do have that and it has targets as well as investment areas and mains and things of that nature so we do have it and we're trying to keep up with that plan. Are we behind the eight ball on this tour? Are we doing a pretty good job of maintaining and replacing? Because I don't want to get behind. Yeah, yeah, we are. We're definitely keeping up with that plan. And as there's an opportunity where the location may be a better fit, we'll take advantage of the opportunity as well as work with public works and other departments so that if we're opening up the street we'll sort of take advantage of that to make sure overall system wide we're keeping up. Thank you and I wanted to say to that point I have really noticed in the last year an effort to decylo water and power into work with public works on projects together which is was always a sort of annoyance in neighborhoods, so thank you for that work. That's it for me. Good point. Mr. Cole, followed by Mr. Hampton. Two different questions on the water system. The first, keys off of my colleagues, point about silos, stormwater projects are in public works. But clearly we need to replenish our groundwater for all kinds of reasons. Why don't we put water dollars toward stormwater projects? Why are we 100% reliant on measure W County funds? Does it not make sense to recapture stormwater instead of hoping that we'll put a tunnel at $18 billion or $118 billion or $118 trillion, whatever the peripheral canal ends up costing? Doesn't make sense for us in the face of climate change and the threats to pumping water in for us to be investing as a water system in stormwater recapture. So we are investing in infiltration like the arroyo-seco infiltration. Whenever we can restore the levels, that is funded through the water system. If it's designated for storm water to take it or manage flood risk, that take it somewhere else, then that would not be flooded. Or that would not be funded by the water system, because there's no benefit to our drinking water customers who are paying their bill. So that's typically the segregation is what would pay and what benefit there would be to our rate pairs for the water side. So if they're not gonna be able to pump that water back out for groundwater use in a future year, then that would not be an appropriate funding source for our water system. That makes sense. So what are the infiltration projects to use that will cabin during? It's the Aeroceco Canyon project is one of the bigger ones that's on the capital plan right now. So it's the third one down. So it's a $32 million investment to maintain groundwater levels where they are. So we use the wells when when we need to use them to balance it with our imported water but that is one of the more significant ones on the list right now. That's my second question. I know that water quality and water supply are interrelated when it comes to local water. How many wells do we have? I will find that out. 14 operating. 14 operating. 14 operating. How many wells do we have that are not operating? So my Quake Mouth of 19 minus 14 five. All right. I did my whole life for that quiz. You have a clarifying question, Mr. Cole? So I did not hear the 19. Sorry. I don't mean to me. So a quarter of our wells are not operational. Yeah, and mainly due to groundwater levels. Yeah. And so how are we dealing with that? Is the problem with water quality growing? Is the plume of contamination expanding? Are we making progress? Are the next, are those five wells ever going to come back into operation? I'm just curious about that universe of yeah, so our assistant general manager Stacy Takaguchi What sits on the Raymond basin management board? And so they manage that from a system-wide groundwater basin level to make sure where the the groundwater levels are. It's appropriate. I think you're probably, it sounds like you're referring to like the explorer well, so the parts where JPL, there's the contamination. And that is specifically funded by JPL and NASA. And so that's actually the explorer well. They're working to make sure that we have wells that are free from contamination. But, do you see if you want to expand? Hi, Stacey Tuckichicchi, Chief Assistant General Manager of Water and Power. Just to expand on your question or clarify, many of these wells are inactive just due to age. It is old. It's like the Garfield well now replaced by the park well that you just saw pictures of is over 100 years old. So it's just inactive because of its age. So we do have a plan of replacing wells, including the park well that you saw, which is in the same area, and explore well in the Monk Hill basin. So part of that is that that's the whole strategy with the water systems resources plan as well. And in the last five to ten years have we been drawing down on our groundwater or have we been replenishing our groundwater basin in the Raymond Basin? It's a cycle, you know, drought and wet years. So in the and it depends on the sub basin. The muckele sub basin is a smaller basin so you can see that fluctuation a lot more year to year, the passing of subbasin is larger. So imagine a bigger bathtub, so you see it less. But overall, we've been able to steady the trend, particularly in the monkial subbasin, and stabilize that trend by self-reduction of water pumping and water rights. We reduced ourselves without lawsuits, 24% of our pumping in the Montque-Losso Basin. So we were able to stabilize that basin. It was on a downward trend. And we were actively putting forth programs and building programs to replenish it, including with the Royceca Canyon Project, which includes a pump back project, potentially too, the water that's pulled behind the dam back up to our spreading grounds alongside projects with metropolitan water district. So then when we voluntarily reduce our take from in order to stabilize the groundwater presumably we then are forced to substitute imported water or am I missing something? It's a variation. Other things too is we're moving more programs to capture more water, like the Royce Saco Canyon project. So it's going to be a give and take. And overall, I look at it more like a balance. It's not all or nothing. When there's a lot of water available for imported, maybe we reduce our groundwater pumping to allow that to stabilize and to grow. And when there's less water, when there were in a statewide drought, for example, or call it a river drought, then we can pump more. So we're allowing systems and infrastructure to be useful during the various hydrologic cycles. Appreciate your answers. Thank you, Stacy. Thank you. I think that's one of the issues that the capture and replenishment is a major regional issue that we have to encourage MWD and other cities to invest in, particularly the other cities. Mr. Hampton, followed by Mr. Lyaine. I'm sorry, Mr. Jones. Perfect, thank you. I guess this is a, it's a power slash water question. So the question is about underground. And not necessarily about undergrounding my house because I know it will never get underground, even though I'm paying a tax. You're in your 300. Yes, it was like four 10 or something like that I forget, I'm hoping to be alive then. So the question I have is in Al Tadina we have reservoirs. Correct? Correct. How many reservoirs we have in Al Tadina? Those three. It's two, only two. Only two in Al Tadina proper, but we have some outside of Al Tadeena and unincorporated Outside of the city are you like asking outside of the city proper? Yes outside of the city proper I thought it was total. It's only it's still only two. Okay My question is those reservoirs failed recently because of the fire and the they were just compromised. Have we looked at, and I know that they were running on generators, if we talked to Edison about getting those underground it so that we have reliable reservoirervoirs for any other natural disaster So we have a backup plan. I just I know that we had generators up there But what is our other backup plan? Yeah, thank you. So there's multiple So one of the major reservoirs that was damaged was Dominino reservoir and that's within the city of Pasadena. And that's fed by one of our booster stations, Thomas Booster Station, which we're luckily able to restore power quickly because of our in-house services. There is plans to underground to Thomas Booster and Dominino itself. So those areas that were most damaged, fortunately, we have our own water and power utility that can quickly do that work. So Rajjans team, et cetera, undergrounding for Dom Vanito and for Thomas. Now for Alan Reservoir, another Reservoir, that's up in Althena, that was damaged. We are looking at the booster station that feeds into that, and that would be looking at generators that is fed by Edison, so that we would look at generators. But I know Edison is also looking at undergrounding a lot of their systems. So that's a partnership with Edison that we can look further into. And in the past, did we have to rent those generators from Edison or did we have...? That was supplied by Edison for this particular fire. We had two different types of generators. One, that was supplied, or a pump, a temporary pump supplied by metropolitan at first. Unfortunately, that wasn't large enough. And so we ended up through Edison connection, getting a bigger generator to have that work. And do we have a backup plan for ourselves just in case there is something you know earthquake something catastrophic that happens and Edison is not able to supply us with that generator. Do we have generated backups that we could. So that's that's one of the projects in the new project category for from the Eaton fire is a stationary generator at one of our generating stations that are in the booster. So a stationary generator there and we also have throughout our system, one of the CIPs we have is it's got tap boxes to allow to quick hookups for portable generators to our booster stations across the city. Okay, and then my other question is as we were talking about water supply every once in a while, you know comes to us And I talk about how water is gold. It's the same comments every time So I'll just keep them going if if We can the the reservoirs Domino reservoir, right? There was a temporary reservoir put in place, or there was a plan to put a temporary reservoir in place while it was being repaired so that we could get those residents back to having clean drinking water. How temporary are these reservoirs? Are there other locations where we can install temporary reservoirs as met has extra water? And always say oh everybody you know just water all you want because we have extra water you know we're how do we collect that water so that we could have the water for a so that we could have a water for a potential natural natural disaster or disaster of any type. Yeah, so a couple of things there. We did look at various solutions during the fire, including maybe a temporary tank. It's unfortunately not a big tank. There's not a lot of space in a lot of those areas. Fortunately, our previous planning with emergency interconnections with other agencies not only help save those agencies during the fire. We had an interconnection going to them to help save them during the fire, but also since Dominito was damaged, now we have a relationship with the Kinolo irrigation district using the interconnection there. So we're actually floating off of their Vossperic reservoir. So that that kind of partnership is our backup as well with other agencies nearby. So we can we we have this relationship that so we're utilizing that in a relationship that connection while we replaced Dom Bonito. So we know on our knee that temporary one which was actually frankly too small and not the right elevation. For capture, the biggest storage we have and the best storage we have is our groundwater storage. And so reservoirs, et cetera, are frankly small, especially if it's going to be a temporary reservoir, so it'll last like a day. So what we want is more multi-year type storage, and that would be through our groundwater. So we are investing in replenishing our groundwater basins. Perfect. That was going to be my next question about going to replenishing our groundwater basins. So thank you, Fran. I need for me to elaborate on that. During Lynn's presentation, you had mentioned that we like to leave things better than we have before. And I have to say that Water and Power Department has done an amazing job around our reservoirs in updating them and putting, what do they call it, a learning garden around the Sheldon reservoir so that people know about native plants. And these are benefits as well as the basketball court that you talked about at Villa Park. So, there's one thing that comes up every time, right? And it's the roads. You guys will open up a trench in the road to do some of these projects. And it's a water and power project, right? And then water and power says, oh, we're just going to repair it back to a workable condition. As we just mentioned, our PCI in the previous communication, and I know that you guys are doing a much better job now communicating with all of the departments to make sure that we are leaving things better. When we're doing these trenching instead of replacing just the trench area and smoothing it out why aren't we repaying the whole street or at least half of the street and then asking public works to pave the other half. Yeah, I think that's a great question too. And like Council Member, line mentioned, we do have a more integrated approach with public works, including our planning over a capital investment program and streets and kind of tying the two together and with their power undergrounding as well. And fiber, so all of it all together, looking at where we're going to be doing work in the streets. Frankly, it's not the best use of water funds to be paving the entire street. That's not part of what the water funds can be used for necessarily. But areas that we can partner, where they're going to be doing street resurfacing anyways, for example, when we do, we kind of try to time that together to save money for both public works and water and power on street repairs and street repayment. So we are going through that process. We have a map of all of our CIPs that we're trying to make sure that we're planning together on. We have monthly meetings with public works. No, and I agree and I I want to say I'm very supportive of that, and I want to say that I think you guys are doing an amazing job at the work that is scheduled. Now there is work that is not scheduled to sometimes. And sometimes it happens in my district where, man, we had a water main break, but the street was in really bad condition already. And this happens not just, but this happens everywhere. Then why not work with public works to say, you know what? Or have public works come out and look at the street and say, you know, is this a indecent condition? Should we partner together since we're already going to have a paving contract out here to try to figure out where those extra funds may come from to repay the section or the street section. And it's in time. Well, maybe not the street and entirety because it's not always the whole on our street, but a section of that street. So then the following year public works can come in and say, you know, we're going to add this street. the rest of the half to next year's budget because we were able to pay the other half of it because we got it, you know, there's some sort of like synergies there. Yeah, that's a great point and we do strive to do that. There's been I think a recall an example that we did just that. It wasn't in their current CIP for public works, but they added it into their next year's CIP. So we are trying to do exactly that. Thank you. Perfect. Well, thank you. Thank you for the presentation. And back to the whole entire departments. This is a very important department. If it wasn't for water and power, we wouldn't have lights on in here. So I'm going to thank you guys for being very important department or water to drink because I'm drinking Pasadena's finest right now. And I did want to add on one more thing that the water team does do is whenever we're able to take advantages of better pricing from met on the imported water when they have a surplus of water we try to import it and infiltrate it into our groundwater when we can. And so that's really just a cost savings for water that we're going to pump out of the groundwater, other groundwater basin in the future. So that's another strategy that water uses to make sure that we have the sufficient groundwater supply. Thank you. Mr. Jones. Thanks, Marin. Just real quick for the distribution means, how many miles does that cover a per year? Three. Three. Yeah. Yeah. So typically, we aim for between 2.5 and 5 miles. But for large projects, and this is what we have coming up, or large projects even last year included. So we're looking at one and a half miles. One and a half miles. And how does that compare what Mr. Lion was asking to the WSRP? Yeah, so the WSRP does have an accelerated time frame, including 10 miles. But we cannot feasibly rip up 10 miles of street in the city without disrupting the city. So we look at between two and a half and five miles and except for with on average right but with large projects and last year you had Glen arm you have Faroaks etc. For large streets large projects it takes more so it so it's going to be a smaller amount. So this upcoming fiscal year, we're looking at one and a half miles, but taking on big projects. Perfect. And then sunset or reservoir, is that a good location where we could have solar? That I think it could be, yes. And so that is something that we are looking into and trying to integrate. and in mind when we go through construction with any project we try to have things solar ready for example it may not make it the first phase but we design our reservoirs to be able to withstand putting on solar panels should that be available in in the next phase for example or in the current phase so we're looking at all. Okay, thank you. Thanks, thanks, you guys appreciate it. And then one quick comment to the city manager or assistant city manager, here you go. Yet, maybe one day, right? We talked about the PCI and Mr. Hampton brought it up and so did Mr. Ryan. I think it'd be good to have some options of when you return back to us of showing We're at you're recommending 5 million right now for it for streets and then maybe you're you're thinking to Recommend another 5 million from the general fun, but also just giving us options above that. Like, looking at a lot of these projects and the CIP and perhaps we don't need to continue to allocate money towards those projects and the CIP and we could use some of that funds towards streets. Just giving us options, not necessarily saying that that's the approach we're going to take. I know Mr. Lion brought up dipping into the reserves. I'm not sure if I if I'm willing to go that far just yet, but I think just providing options for us. We can certainly have those conversations. Yeah. Those conversations probably no surprise, but they're bigger than just a conversation, because they would really dive into large policy or program decisions about things we do in the community, because everything we do, we have to keep investing, right? So if we said to your point, if we say yes to this, we say no to that. And so there was the conversation earlier about gas tax and how much gas tax do we get and what do we spend? There are other revenue sources that you can use on streets and street repaving, but we traditionally have not used that money. And so there's money planned in the CIP budget to buy zero mission buses. Some of that money could also legally be used for street resurfacing but historically we've used that money to support our fixed or our transit system. Those are really big priority conversations and if the council wants to have it, absolutely we can have those conversations but But I share that to say it's not as simple as like, hey, would you rather buy a bus or pay the street because it's not about just not buying one bus, right? It's really about how that impacts the whole transit system and then what you do. And so those are really big policy conversations that we can have, but we'll have to be strategic about how we talk about those things and approach them because it's not something we can casually, to your point, have as part of the broader budget conversation. Right. In terms of voting yes on a Monday night to approve the budget. Yeah, I agree. And I think we should have that conversation because streets, it comes up all the time and lights and just the bare basics of what public works and water and power does, just maintenance of our infrastructure that comes up all the time from residents. And I think it serves us right to have that conversation. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, in terms of taking money from the reserve, and I know the intent is a good intent, but reserve dollars are one-time dollars, therefore an emergency and I've seen recessions, housing crisis, you name it, COVID, and fires, where wind storms, where those reserves have come in very handy. And so I'd be reluctant to spend one time reserved dollars, paying down our reserve and risking not being prepared to answer and emergency. Again, the intent is a good one, but I'd be very hesitant about that for that reason. Mr. Lyne? To that, I would say it's not a step we should take lightly. It's not a step I'm willing to foreclose at the front end of a conversation because we haven't had the back end of the conversation and we do need to have that discussion about so we need you to come with some suggestions about here's a cut you can make, and here's what that looks like. Here's another cut you can make, here's what that looks like. But we also intentionally have the reserve divided into two sets. We have the 15% true emergency fund, and then we have the 5% that is more flexible. And while we transition to a higher consistent budget for road repaving, it may make sense to dip into that and to restore it again in the next couple of years. I didn't vote for it yet, but I'm also not willing to cut off that conversation until we look at what we need to do to get to where we need to be with streets, which is really just the most basic municipal function. Thank you. In terms of the infrastructure in Al-Tadena, it might be an interesting conversation or a fruitful conversation to say to Edison because they've got their hands full. Maybe our crews, given the importance of our infrastructure, both on a day-to-day basis but in any emergency as well. maybe we the city can, utility can do the work and then Bill Edison for any work that's needed on our infrastructure. And I just dropped that as an idea. Maybe staffs already contemplated it, but I would certainly encourage it. So Mayor Gordo, again, version of ADN Assistant General, I just for powerivery. If you're referring to electric assets outside of Pasadena, we don't have much. No, I'm referring to the discussion, the issue that Mr. Hampton raised involving the reservoirs. Oh. And the need to, the need to, we technically cannot work on Edison's assets and there is no mechanism for us to work on their assets and build them that typically doesn't happen. No, I understand that and utilities are very careful about that. Yeah, but if it's, you know, something they're willing to, I realize it would take their, their agreement. So if they're willing to do it, we've got it, we've got the workforce to do it quicker than they would. It might be something to consider. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Think. Ready for the electric system? Electric system. Okay. So the fiscal year 25, 2025 accomplishments for the electric system. So at the Glenarm site, we executed an energy storage agreement for 25 megawatts of a battery energy storage system on site. And that's coupled with the capital improvement plan to actually develop the site in order to connect that to our system. We also replaced or installed 25 distributions, which is 158 distribution transformers, 254 power poles, 32.5 miles of conductor, as well as 37 underground vaults, pole boxes, and structure covers. We also upgraded the sub-transmission circuit between Santa Anita and Chester substations, as well as multiple customer-funded new or upgraded projects, including 350 new solar meters. So all of the power investments are driven by the principles of a resilient and reliable system that includes the integrated resources plan and the optimized strategic plan to have 100% carbon free electricity by 2030. And that's also the energy storage systems are really important components of what we know we need to do for the resolution 9977. Again, the technology modernization is a really critical component for the power investments to make sure that we can use the systems into the future. And then the power delivery is all based on the framework that was developed in the power delivery master plan. That gives us a long term 20 year outlook into what we need to do to maintain the power delivery systems throughout the years. And that includes among distribution systems and it also includes electrification, which is our EV charging stations as well. So if we have an overview of the 2026 funding, so the CIP work plan has $154.4 million in it. Of that, 104.8 are coming from rate payer funds, and 32.4 are coming from bond proceeds of revenue bonds that have been already been issued. We have $10.9 million in state grant for the battery energy storage system. And then we also have system development charges and then a small fraction from the underground surtax. So there are 66 active projects with a total estimated cost of $899.1 million dollars and this year we're recommending for appropriation $121.2 million dollars and that includes three new projects and 63 continuing new projects. So I'm not going to talk about all of them in detail tonight. We have them bucketed into these different categories into distribution systems, which is the power delivery infrastructure that powers everything, the generation and supply projects, the technology projects, and then the final category is facilities and services. So with that we'll go into the new CIP projects that were proposed for this fiscal year. The first project is a substrange missing cable upgrade. The sub transmission system is really critical for power delivery within the city and to and from generation resources. And so the total estimated appropriations in the work plan is $22.5 million. There's also a project for customer solar and storage system interconnections and related distribution system upgrades. This is for the consistent development of having the distribution system to be reliable as folks start to install solar systems. There is an impact to the distribution system. So it's 300, about approximately 300,000 for the fiscal year 26 work plan. And then for the power generation side, the new project is for emerging technology development and testing. There's a lot of emerging technology that is out there. And so this is for funding for pilot programs to make sure that we're on the leading edge of development of some of these technologies and get it to utility scale where possible within Pasadena. So the continuing projects. The energy storage system is one of the bigger investments in the capital improvement plan. The 2026 work plan has $16.3 million. There's also a sub station upgrades for Faroq and Brookside, $800,000. The big one is Subtransmission Path 2 Upgrade. So there's a little map on the right side. It's the middle picture. It shows the Path 2 Upgrade. It's really critical to make sure that power can get from the west side of the city to the east side and safely to deliver power throughout many different conditions. For the advance metering infrastructure, there's no recommended appropriations, but in the 26th work plan it's $13.9 million to get that project started in earnest. There's also $4.5 million for the 4 KV to 17KV distribution system. And that's really making sure that we have some of the circuits that are need to be upsized or upsized from 4KV to 17KV throughout the distribution system. And then we have the electric vehicle charging infrastructure for $4.1 million. then rounding out the final highlight is our enterprise asset management plan for $3.6 million for fiscal year 26 work plan. So this graph looks very similar to the water system graph as well. So we've had significant investments in the past, but that's really going to multiply in the next few years. So we're going from an average investment of $37 million a year to an average investment of $123 million a year into the future. So with that, do you want me to pause before we go to electrical under grounding? No, just keep power in through. All right. Good pun. Okay. So for the 2026 electrical under grounding, there's three active projects with a total estimated cost of $38.4 million. $13.6 million has been appropriated to date, and $6.6 million is recommended for appropriations. There are no new projects. All of these projects have already been in past CIPs, and then the work plan for next year is $6.6 million. So with this, the major project in the work plan is the Raymond Avenue Underground project. This is expected to go out for bid again in mid May. So this is a project that the community has been briefed on multiple times. So. Thank you. That's okay. Oops. Mr. Lion, are you in the queue or was it in? I was in. Yeah. And it'll be short, Mayor. So I wanted to, this is in the nature of comment, but to say that we really heard the public comment about solar. And also I wanted to reiterate the thing that General Manager Reyes said, which is that we, it's a, there is a weird timing issue here where we just got the optimized strategic plan recommendation to go all in on solar, which we thought was going to have. And that just moved out of MSC, but hasn't yet come to the whole council. And we haven't then done the next step of work which is figuring out what it means to go all in. And I am finding we have a lot of different ideas about what that means. So where we're gonna make the investment to make solar work is still TBD. But I wanna really take you at your word that this has gotta be a work in progress during the year as we figure out where solar fits into all of this. But to reiterate that we heard the public comments. Thank you, Mr. Lien. Mr. Jones. Mr. Colff followed by Mr. Jones. Oh. So I'm going to, if you want to go. Okay, thank you. I'm going to frame the question with a comment, I apologize. But I have a slightly different perspective from my colleague. I agree with him that we've heard loud and clear. And this may be also a question for the general manager. And please understand these are questions that that I think are systemic. They are not in any way critical of any of our staff or our staff collectively. You've inherited a hundred-year-old system and we're making a major change. But Resolution 99-77 was passed two years ago as a climate emergency. Mr. Reyes has said we have already invested a billion dollars in solar contract procurement over the long term. It does not seem to me that we have any, this is any mystery that local solar was always going to be part of this and particularly now. And so my concern is, are we, is feeding the narrative that the system is dragging its feet instead of moving forward aggressively to meet the climate emergency that was declared by the council. But here's my question. The book that we have from a couple of weeks ago says we have a 121 million appropriated for this year and it shows nothing this year for local storage. And your says that there's gonna be 13 million appropriated this year for storage. Am I missing? Yeah, energy storage, recommended appropriations, fiscal 26, I'm trying to find that 13 and a half million in the book that we have. So, I have it on here. Okay. It's line six. It's line six, isn't it? It's project 14.6 in my book. Okay, all right. So, okay. So then out of 121 million, that's my, that was my question, is so out of 121 million we have 13.5 million for storage this year and we have 467 for upgrades that will facilitate future storage. Is that is that so the way that we're executing the battery energy storage system for this first phase for the 25 megawatts so part of it are upgrades that we need to do to the site to connect the system to the Kaiso grid and things of that nature. So it's an actual construction project. The rest of it is executed through an energy storage agreement, which operates much like a power purchase agreement. And so that's us essentially buying back the energy resource as it comes. And so that is an operating budget and I know that's a very confusing way, but it's essentially like we're leasing the use of the storage back throughout a period of years because it was more cost effective to do that than to purchase the equipment outright and augment it as the battery life starts to deteriorate over time. So that particular project, it's split in between capital investment as well as operating budget. Okay, appreciate that. And again, that was my question. I'll hold my comments for our discussion. Thank you, Mr. Cole. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my brilliant idea. It's my really dismayed. After the discussion? Well, earlier we agreed we would just ask questions, and then we would have a discussion. Not everyone framed their questions in the form of questions. But if you want to discuss it now, I... Well, let's turn to Mr. Jones for questions or discussion questions taking questions or comments or questions. So for the Raymond Underground project, the residents, you know, when you came out and spoke with them and I hear from them often regarding this project, they want to ensure that there's coordination between PWP and public works, right? Because you're going to tear up the street, put it underground, but they want to make sure that they've been long overdue to have their street resurfaced or repaved. And so I just wanted to make sure that there is that coordination between the two. Yes, absolutely. I think that's what makes some of the underground projects so difficult and time consuming is that there is an extensive amount of coordination among many utilities as well as public works. Perfect. And in my understanding for the solar discussion is that we did pass the resolution, and then part of the discussion at MSC after that resolution was passed and after the IRP was that we wanted a optimized strategic plan on how we were going to achieve our goal. And so the staff or PWP went to hire a consultant and developed this plan. And my understanding is that you don't want to get ahead of the City Council in making some of those policy decisions. And that's why you just came back to MSC a month ago or a few weeks ago. And we gave our recommendations for the scenarios that we should pursue. And then you'll come back to the City Council, I believe, next week week and then you get authorization to move forward with different certain scenarios and then move forward with that so that you're lock-in step with the City Council. That would be my understanding and I think that's the approach that we've all agreed to dating back to the IRP and the OSP as well. Yeah, we want to make sure that our capital improvement plan aligns with Council directive. Absolutely. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Hampton. Thank you. And I'm just going to speak briefly on a wife's head to things that would like to say. Speak briefly on the Raymond Avenue.. Just wanted to make sure that we're clarifying because Councilmember Jones brought it up again, part of the stretch of Raymond is in District 1. That whole and our concrete street is going to be removed and repaved in asphalt, correct? Excuse me. Why don't you want me to? Yeah, this is a CIP. Right, right, right. But I recused myself on the Raymond Avenue project. So I'll just step out while you guys. Oh, OK. OK. Yes, ma'am. Either that or when you bring it back, he would recuse at the beginning, and you would address whatever your questions are. Someone can just go like this. That's totally fine. Assault? All right, thank you. We're still evaluating it because it is a concrete street. It's the most expensive scenario to restore a concrete street. What I'm hoping to do kind of is evaluate can we get into detail edge-crined down to inches at the gutter and out seven feet and possibly cap the whole street with a rubberized asphalt. I'm also considering adding five Down to inches at the gutter and out seven feet and possibly cap the whole street with a with a rubberized asphalt I'm also considering adding Fiber to the mix to give it tensile strength and more flexibility Because we've all seen streets where they pay over a concrete street and it pops up and it's worse than before you started So we're evaluating that. That's what I'm hoping to achieve so but I don't have a hundred percent answer yet Okay, so in my community meeting the hundred percent answer was That the asphalt was going to be removed Concrete and I'm sorry the concrete was gonna be removed and be brought the their street was gonna be paved in asphalt so It's possible and there's been a lot of community meetings about this as well in my district, probably just as well as in Councilmember Jones. If that was going to be a change, I think there should have been something that went out in correspondence to all the residents, including myself. This is new news to me that there is a contemplating on I guess value engineering in this project. Everybody's paying this underground tax. I'm also paying into it as mentioned before. The presentations if we're presenting to residents a something and it's been the same. I mean we've had community means on this for five years. There's not been one community communication that said you know what this is going to be way too expensive and we're going to backtrack on the idea of removing the asphalt. So yeah I'm not saying we're trying to backtrack. If there's sufficient funding to remove all the asphalt, put new base, put a new asphalt street. We can do that, but it's going to be my nature to try and value engineer it anyway. That's fine. But it's going to be repaved. That's the period to say. I think there's a community expectation of a new looking street out here. This is an asphalt. I'd always wanted to be rubber because it's smoother It's quieter glass longer Well, that's good. Okay, so I just want to make sure that hasn't changed the street will be repaved Yes regardless of it asphalt about and then Rubber on the top I the mayor could come back just wanted to. I'm sure he heard all that. And then my actual question. No, no, because I that was just brought up. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is no. This is the director director. Race had mentioned that mentioned that, and it's not a present in this presentation as a CIP, but I consider it a part of our capital improvement, even if we're incentivizing solar on residential roofs. If we're actually incentivizing residential roofs, it should be part of our CIP and not an initiative Saying that we're gonna put three thousand three sorry just three million three million three million Set aside for income qualifying residents That three million I understand it and it's probably a bigger discussion for MSC meeting. I know that we will be having this discussion MSC is some of the residents that are income qualifying. Their roof wouldn't even qualify for solar panels to be installed on. So we're going to incentivize solar being installed and battery storage to be installed. incentive should be for anyone with a qualified roof to install this on. That is mentioned in depth in our operating budget. I think the reason that it's not in our capital improvement plan is because there's sort of a definition of what goes in our capital improvement plan. And that is a homeowner or a resident making an investment in their home and The incentive is to essentially pay them back over time for that investment and that's why it's not considered in our CIP but it is Considered in the overall portfolio that is in the OSP and further decisions that we're going to be asking council and direction that we're going to be asking of council into the future. We're sort of starting with the things that we know that we can do and have always been in the plan to get us to carbon-free by 2030, which are things such as the battery energy storage system. But those are definitely conversations that we look forward to council direction on. So I appreciate your answer, and not to, what to push back, I'm actually going to push back, sorry. I do consider it a part of our CIP because our consultant who we paid, the nice penny to, stated, you talked about this in the CNBC, that solar may be our path to get to our ultimate goal. And if solar is our path to get to ultimate goal, that means that community benefit projects by giving CIP dollars to residents regardless of it helps them right in turn helps us so I consider them CIP projects and once again I know that this will come to MSC that I hope that we're looking at something that's more holistic and not just saying if your income qualifying if we're trying to get to our goal goal, if I'm not income qualifying and I could get a benefit of 500,000, 2000, whatever that number may be, right? It would incentivize me to say, oh, maybe I should put solar on my house. I mean, I could get, am I supposed to get this money while the availability is there, even on a large project. I consider that part of our capital improvement based on our council objectives. So I appreciate your presentation. I once again, I'm thankful for all of the water and power does for our community in our city, especially recently during the wind storm and fire. You guys, amazing job. And so I just want to, you know, also give you guys kudos on that as well. But I think that solar and moving forward should be part of our CIP and not just a secondary program that we're putting to the side to say, we're going to do this one day more. We're going to hope that we get income qualified residents to apply for this. So, yeah, those are my comments, but thank you. I won't have any discussion or after. Well, it's the figure out where to pick the money from. Yeah. Mr. Lion? Yeah, I wanted to bounce off of that and off of Councilmember Cole's comments to say, I don't think you're dragging your feet. I don't think it looks like you're dragging your feet, but I do want to make sure you're ahead of the conversation and not waiting for direction. I am mindful that on the solar plan there is a protocol. We haven't come to the council. whole hasn't approved it. Only four of us have said we're for that, but I think that's where we're going. And so even if incentives are on the operations budget, certainly installing solar on city facilities would be in the capital improvement budget. So we got five and a half years, which is time, but not a lot of time. And we've said it's an emergency. So we have to keep moving like it's an emergency. And no tonight is not the night to put a number on it because we don't know what we're doing yet. But we need to so. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Lien. Okay, that completes, yes. That completes DWP. Thank you. Well, good evening, Council. I'm just me left and I'll make it very brief. Very brief. All right. It's done. It's magic. It's all IT. Phil Eklare, head of a, do it, chief information officer. Let's see, here we go. All right. So moving into the technology portion of the CIP, just to preface it, that you've already heard some technology discussions already at different parts of the book by different departments. So I'm only getting focused on the things you haven't heard yet as a part of the technology section. First is just a couple of accomplishments as well. Do it is really part of the CIP for technology. A lot of what we do is replacing and maintaining and making sure all the infrastructure that supports all the technology that we run on as a city is replaced, upgraded, improved to help ensure that we're providing the best services to our community. One of the examples that had happened just over the holidays was replacement of the technology in this room. It's not super sexy, but it provides a very important purpose. There's also been lots of replacements for data, networks, security, Wi-Fi, all kinds of different products as a part of our equipment lifecycle replacement. We've also had a number of enterprise building security management functions, some security access controls at Hast our strategic broadband plan update that was completed earlier this year and some more information. information. Hopefully we'll be coming soon to counsel about those results. We're expanding some fiber optics along Dillistreet, as well as some connections of fiber optics into Mirador Reservoir. And we have a number of new and existing commercial custom requests. But moving into the budget for next year, or at least in the project of the CIP, there's 10 projects with a total estimated cost of $27.1 million. There are five active projects that also have a total estimated cost of $20 million, and there's 500 projects for which are new to the CIP with a total estimated cost of $7.1. So for the technology portion of the CIP, the recommended appropriations is 1.5 million, teeny number compared to everything else we've heard tonight. And that's across four different funding sources. And that 1.5 million is to only to two active projects. So I mentioned the $1.5 million comes from four different sources. First is being the Computing and Communications Fund, which is what the Department of IT manages and a lot of all of our services come from. We have PEG funds, which is Public Education Government funds. Telecommunications funds, which are mainly revenue from lease and wireless and cell phone towers and other things that we run in for the city as well as a small portion of underground utilities which helps support expansion of our fiber optic network in the city. So the two projects that have funding recommendations, the first is the Do It Equipment Lifecycle Replacement Project. This is a five-year project that has an estimated cost for the annual replacement of data, network security, infrastructure, telecommunications, wireless, all the infrastructure that I mentioned before. The recommendation for this year is $1.2 million. This is the same amount that's applied every year for this five year project. And coming up in 26, we have a replacement of our entire legacy telephone system that's already in progress now. We have a disaster recovery and business continuity plan update that's coming and that will spin off probably some new projects and initiatives taking advantage of a lot of new technology that's out there to ensure our resiliency in the face of a disaster. We also have our regular annual lifecycle replacement of hardware, equipment, different software and different parts of our operation. The second project with appropriations is the City Fiber Network expansion. This is another five year project, which is an estimation of seed money that helps us expand the fiber optic network to support connecting into other city facilities, other interest areas, particularly around transportation, our utility, getting infrastructure into our parks, and other goals as well. And so that's recommendation is $280,000, and that would be funded by underground utilities, telecommunications fund, and also the PEG funds I mentioned before. We're continuing to work on public Wi-Fi expansion projects, utilizing these funds, as well as we have some things coming up with the strategic broadband plan, and also we're working on the expansion of fiber optics along a villistry right now and into next year. So I'll pause there. There are four other projects which are new to the CIP, but there are no funding requests at this time. But given the late hour, I can answer questions on the two projects that have appropriation requests, but I could also go into the other four projects which are unfunded right at this point. Right. Do you want to just quickly list them out? Sure. But we appreciate the justice. Yes. They get you more money. Although quick. So there are four projects that are being recommended as new projects into the CIP, but there are no funding requests at this time. These are placeholders for things that are being contemplated for the future. The first is in our police department, the Active Intelligence Center. This particular project is really around centralizing a lot of different technology into our police department to leverage things that are in real time, whether that's cameras or in-car video, the different video feeds from security cameras, other data and information and analytics. The second project is the Mobile Data Computer Replacement Project. So every one of our patrol vehicles has computers in the vehicle which is used for the officers to communicate back to dispatch for information. Those computers have reached or closely reaching their end of life and they need to be replaced. So this project is estimated at 2.1 million. The third project is the Police Dispatch Radio Console Replacement. So this is in our 911 center. There are 12 911 Dispatch Radio consoles that do go out of support later in 2026. And so we're putting that out there as a replacement to this very important infrastructure in our 911 center at $1.5 million. And then the last is our mobile audio video replacement. Again, in our vehicles, the police vehicles, there are an in-car video and audio system that's recording within the vehicle as well as outside the vehicle. And these are also reaching end of support. And so new equipment needs to be replaced with an estimated cost of $250,000. And those are the new projects. And none of those new projects have any requests for funding at this time. OK. Particularly the 911 system, I think, are very important to consider coming back to us with. Okay, questions? Let's see Mr. Hampton's first, followed by Mr. Jones and Mr. Cole. Perfect, thank you so much for the presentation and the great work you guys do. I had questions about, let's start with fiber optics. You had mentioned fiber and I think last year, I probably mentioned this as well. Are we connecting with PUSD as they're doing some fiber upgrades as well? Or are they already completed all of their fiber upgrades? They completed a fiber optic infrastructure investment to all of their facilities a number of years ago. And at the time when they were putting all that infrastructure investment in, we were discussing with them the possibility of utilizing city infrastructure and they chose to use other vendors. Okay. So we did offer. All right. So thanks. And we're moving forward with our fiber connectivity. So that's good to know. I'll just check that off. You might have answered that question the same way last year as well. I'll probably ask. Wi-'re getting to. Is that the update for the area that we're getting to? The update for the area is that all services to provide Wi-Fi in the park? Some of these parks have already, well the goal is to expand the fiber optic network to reach all these parks. And so we are, some are closer, some have some closer connections and others. And I believe that there's one or two that may not get fiber optics. It would be done through either cellular or some type of point-to-point connection that's wireless. That's part of the design that will go out to bid when we bring in a contractor to work with us. Perfect. And would that also entail the Royal from maybe that's where the point-to-point connection. Thank you for that terminology by the way, the point-to-point connection. There was questions before I think in maybe's meeting, which talked, I think around like the Ha-Ha Manga area, and how we would provide services over there. And so I don't have the plan in front of me, but I know that it has been spec'd out on what's possible. And so, there are certain areas which will be very difficult for terrain to probably get Wi-Fi ubiquitously everywhere. And so it'll be best effort to get to whether there's a structure there or some type of access point that's utilized. That was the goal to try to stretch the dollar out as much as we could. So the reason I bring the Wi-Fi up, and I think since you've probably been here as long as I have, so I bring it up because the idea of a community Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi for all, Internet for everyone in the city, I think by starting with our parks is a great way to be able to push that out into the community. I wish it was the whole community,, the whole city as a whole, but I understand you only got 1.5 million in you budget, so it's not that we could do it all. So I did a last question is about security cameras in parks. Are we close to having security cameras in all of our parks? There's an incremental plan. I know it's been talked about as we've specced out where some of the priorities are in our parks and recreation department where they would like to have additional cameras. And so I think it's been prioritized based on need. And so where we are right now is Washington Park. What would be next would be a decision from the city manager recommendation from the parks and rec and input from council. Okay and then my last question is emergency polls. I notice in other communities and on college campuses there are emergency polls for rec creators thators that are out, especially around the Rose White. I think of that as an area because sometimes we go till 12 o'clock at night and I'm driving home and I drive through the Rose Bowl and there are people recreating. And I think you should recreate whenever you like to recreate. But there are some really dark spaces. And a lot of it is, you know, we talked about lighting. We just can't add lighting in a natural preserve. So having emergency poles for runners, recreators, or anyone in our parks, you know, to, if an emergency arises and you don't have your cell phone and you can just press a button you just never know I just I just would like for your department as well as with the police department to look at having installing emergency poles in some of our parks because I don't I don't think are there any parts that have emergency balls? The only parts that I do know of that have like a call button to go right to dispatch number one there are three or four of them and they're in the lower row. Okay and so that should be expanded into the Brookside as well as I guess maybe the Brookside is considered maybe part of the lawyer right now. It's kind of like borderline. Yeah. The Brookside and around the, around the bowl. We've talked to, as I'm in recent but we have talked to police and fire department when we were looking at, there used to be a greater amount of those call boxes at one point in time. And at the time, it was determined that those weren't as effective any longer, that people did have cell phones, that places where there was better lighting and so forth. It would be sufficient. But I know that there's a lot of City Manager's Office, and I'm hearing about this now, and so we can bring it up with our public safety partners about what they would recommend as a discussion point in terms of potential pull boxes and other things that could help ensure that our community felt safe. Perfect. I want to elaborate on that, but as a runner, it's kind of hard to get to your phone. If there's a button close, I can press it. I don't press the button. So that's that. But I thank you for looking into that and hopefully we get a report back to that from you in public safety as it relates to the safety of our our greater community. Thank you again. Thank you. Mr. Jones, followed by. Mr. Thank you. Mr. Jones, followed by Mr. Holt. Thanks, Marin. Thanks, Philip, for your presentation. Your department is critical in keeping our data encrypted and safe. And so along those lines, it's not in this CIP. But is there any future projects that you're thinking of to any type of projects that would be quantum safe technologies to be able to ensure that our data and our customers, our residents data is safe from like, you know, quantum computing that can essentially unlock the algorithms or encrypted data? Well, for sure following that topic, there's been a number of articles about what's coming. I'd say we follow articles about not only quantum, but also just the latest AI, different kinds of attack vectors for breaching either data or any of our systems. And so, yeah, buried within the, do a life cycle replacement are some sub projects within that that are investing in whatever the latest technology is that would ensure that we're protecting ourselves and being as safe as possible. So there are projects on the horizon. Every year, we have investments that we're doing to ensure and protect with the latest technologies that we have available. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Cole, followed by Mr. Madison. Very simple question. The funding for the replacement is a fund that's collected from all departments. Is that correct? That's correct. So a significant portion of that would be collected from General Fund Departments. That's correct. As well as our non-general fund operations. So in effect, that is one source of funding that comes from the General Fund, but you just wouldn't know it from the label on it because it commingles non-general fund dollars in there. That's correct. Okay. The service charge with the department, the service charge. Mr. Madison? Thanks, Mayor. And thank you for the report, Philip. I just had one question and I don't know if this is on your desk yet or not, but there has been some preliminary discussion about technology that can identify hot spots as in the nature of spot fires or wildfires. Is that something you're working on yet? This is not something I'm working on, but it is one of the technologies that I've heard about. I've been following. And there's a lot of new and emerging technologies, particularly what we call like their smart city or even Internet of Things IoT. And so as those kind of initiatives grow, we for sure can take a look at it, you know, working with fire department and utilities as well on what we could potentially test out and drive. Terrific. I would obviously you report to the city manager not directly to us so subject to his oversight and approval. I would sure appreciate it if you did connect with the fire department and any other department that you deemed fit to be able to brief us on that technology. Great. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mayor. Thank you. Yeah, any technology improvements that need to be made involving particularly public safety. The 911 center for example that you touched on. I would say we should prioritize. We don't want to have a system that we can't rely upon. And I would say to you we want to have a state of-art system when it comes to 911 and public safety. I echo that as well. There's been a lot of amazing investments in leadership from our police department and making the right investments at the right time. So there are a lot of initiatives that were involved in that are not on the CIP in working with public safety departments all the time. These ones happen to be, eventually we'll need to be funded. It's just we have some more time to work and decide what point makes most sense to bring it back to council for consideration. So if there is any equipment that is at a critical juncture, I would say bring it back sooner rather than later because there's a lead-up time to replacement. And I would say this to all of the departments. Water and power also, if there are critical needs in any of the departments, particularly critical needs that involve public safety. I think with this council, certainly the finance committee want to hear about it. Before we get to the point where we're at some sort of crisis. So I leave that with you and everyone else, but technology is such an important component of it. So when I hear that 9-1-1 operation center needs investment. It certainly gets my attention. So you achieve the goal of getting more money for your department, I guess. For the police department. For our public safety. So I'm glad you present those projects. Thank you. Okay. Now I'm going to follow up this question because I think this is part of technology. At least maybe this was the question that I need to ask transportation or water and power. But the point of sales at our EV stations, who is in charge of that? Oh, our water powered. Is it the technology that I actually has nothing to to do with you. We have a role to play in the technology but not the actual credit card transaction in that vendor. It is run out of water power as a third party. Okay. Okay. Okay. So can I ask water and power that question? So our point of sales, well number one, I guess to follow back up on the EV chargers in general. Right now they're being repaired throughout the city. So are we close to having them almost fully repaired? I mean because at one point in time up into like four weeks ago, none of the EV chargers in our city that that were not Tesla, I mean, maybe not none, but 80% of them were not working. That's correct, Councilor Miranda, again, version of ADN, Assistant General Manager for Prior Delivery, out of the 49 DC fast chargers or level three chargers that we had, a few weeks weeks ago about 32 of them did not work So I'm sorry 30 yes 32 of them did not work so Right now we are about halfway done about we fixed about 15 of them I don't have the current stats right now about about 15% of them have been repaired and we are there some of them that are easier to do, like easier fix some of them, we have to order parts and we have to wait for them. So that's where we are right now. Okay and then have we thought about, I know that we used there's there was one company in the company went out of business or went bankrupt in another organization picked it up and now we're able to get the parts. Because of this, and I know that that was one of the largest, from my understanding, there was one of the largest, I guess manufacturers of charging stations or, they call it charging stations? Correct. I should know this. I'm a charge driver, but I just call them plugs. So, the charging stations, and I know that there're one of the largest, we thought about saying we're going to diversify this because, you know, if something happens to this company again, we should have some of this a little bit more reliable. Absolutely. Yeah, out of the 49 charges that I mentioned, 48 of them were one manufacturer. And like you mentioned, they went out of business and part of the reason most of our charges did not work a few weeks ago, as a few weeks ago, it was because of that. Okay. And so are we looking at some of those instead of replacing, once the parts are need to be replaced instead of replacing the parts, we're going to replace the whole unit. Replacing the unit is a little bit more complicated because it needs to fit the foundation. So for absolutely for new installations, we are looking at different models, different manufacturers, to basically diversify a portfolio. But for existing charges that we need to replace, again, needs to fit the foundation. But if at the end of the day, if we have to replace the whole thing and we have to replace the foundation, so at the end of the day if we have to replace the whole thing and we have to replace the foundation so be it we will do that. And if there's a place where like for example the Marine L'Gourage or the park right there may be another extra parking space or two since we have the power there I'm not sure that we have the appropriate amount of power and you guys have the experts at that. Maybe we can install two or three of the newer, a different model in those locations so that we have, so when they all go out, they're not all out at the same time. Yeah, right. Absolutely, yep. Especially where, you know, 2035, you're not gonna be able to buy, and a, you know, a gas car in the state of California. So we should be doing all we can to help our residents be able to charge their cars. So that leads me to the point of sales question. The point of sales is so complicated. I got a download app. I mean, I go to charge in America, whatever it's called I forget you electrify America chargers Yep, and They're not the greatest, but all I do is tap my phone and it just works Are we getting to a point of sales where you just tap your phone and it just works without having to download it happen Go through all that because for a EV user I've been an EV user for almost 12 years. 15, I'm going to say 15 years now. That is the reason why I have a charger at home because just like the point of sales is ridiculous. So are we looking at cleaning up our point of sales? Correct. We just addressed that. used to to have a contract with Chail Recharge. And they gave us a notice that they're not going to provide service. As I said, first we were able to extend that. And right now we are a stop cap situation where we contracted with PowerFlex to provide that service for us. But we have an RFP going out to hire basically back off the service. We call back-off the service or point of sell to help us with that. But that's one of the goals that we want. I'm not sure if there are any vendors who provide that, like Tesla, for example, you're going to plug in your car, you don't need to do anything. It charges. We want to get there, but I don't know if there are any manufacturers or any vendors back up for service when there's that provide that service that just tap your phone and we're a credit card and go. I mean that's the purpose of the the point of sales on the unit itself So that credit card. Yes, the credit card is not so our our units actually have this capability. It just doesn't work The credit go reader you mean? Yeah, the credit card reader will tap. You can use a tap card. Your actual visa card would not Apple pay. You could tap it, but it just doesn't work unless you have the app. And that's why I'm trying to ask is when shale is gone, will you no longer need the app, you could just tap and charge. I don't know the answer to that again. depending on what manufacturer, what vendor we end up with, or we select. Okay, well hopefully you guys take these comments as an EV driver that it is super complicated to use any of our chargers here in Pasadena. In other cities, Gluendale, you name it. I could go to a charger and just tap my car and I don't have to download an app and they don't I don't even know where I'm at. But it is what it is. Please, no, just think about that point of show. Absolutely. It's very complicated. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hampton. Mr. Cole. Mr. Cole. So we spent four hours on this. And I think it's time well spent $446 million allocated this year nearly half a billion dollars that we're going to be expected to vote on next week. I tried to limit my contributions earlier to questions I have some comments but I don't want to to try the of my colleagues. So let me just try to boil it down to, again, I think this is among the most important decisions we make and it's a third of the budget. And in fact, it's more than the general fund budget. So it's a lot of dough. First of all, Mayor, I want to acknowledge what you made the point on in our last discussion, which is that the city has a remarkable record of investing in its infrastructure, the fact that we're able to invest 1,5 billion dollars this year in our infrastructure, is a tribute both to our staff and to the council leadership in the past. So I don't want my comments to be in any way interpreted as criticism of our record. I think it's an exemplary record, but when I look forward and ahead, I see some strong clouds that I think we need to acknowledge. And it starts with a reality check which is 85% of the money we're allocating here is rate-payer money from our water, power, and sewer funds and the library bond. Everything else is just 15% of the dollars. So our parks, our streets, our public realm, our technology, that's a very small portion of the investment we're making here. And the discretionary dollars from the general fund are 22-100s of the amount of money we're spending. Not even 1-quarter of 1% is actually discretionary. Now within the water fund, we can make different decisions. decisions. Within the water fund we can make different decisions. Within the electric fund we can make different decisions. But in terms of just our money that we have no strings attached to, it's a rounding error in our budget. And when you look at our unfunded desires, needs, whatever you want to call them, in this plan is a billion and a half of unfunded needs. But that does not include the $200 million that we heard isn't a plan at the Rose Bowl but isn't part of this plan. It doesn't include anything but doing studies of what we need to implement our specific plans that we've adopted. Unfunded $300,000 to do a study to figure out how much we're going to spend, right? So the billion and a half doesn't include that. It also doesn't include the $75 million. Our public works director told us he needs today to bring our streets up to the level which we would like to keep them at and which would be cheaper. It, unlike those who've spoken before me, our streets are not my top priority. But saving money is my top priority. And when we fix our streets, we save money. Because not fixing our streets costs us much more money down the road. So it is my number one priority to fix our streets, not because I think our streets are more important than our parks or anything else. It's simply that it makes no sense not to fix our streets. And as our public work's director told us, if he had $75 million today, of course he couldn't tear up half of our city with $75 million. But if he had $75 million today, he would be saving us millions of dollars that's spreading it out over four or five years would cost us a hundred million or out in five million. So these are big numbers that I think is a reality check on our discussions over the next week. And so yes, next week we're going to approve this budget and probably an animus vote. Maybe Councilmember will offer a small adjustment here or there. But basically we're going to be on automatic pilot with $446 million worth of investment and not a plan for the $130 million that's in the book for fire safety to replace our fire stations over the next several years. No money in this year for traffic safety except $100,000 for more planning. Clearly we're waiting to hear on the operating budget but as we know all around the table we've talked about we need more money this year for for street repair. And so I think it's not enough for us to say okay job well done we've spent four hours talking about this the next week we vote on it I think we have to take into consideration that over the next five to ten years we have to come up with either major savings within the general fund to reallocate to capital or new sources of revenue. And here is where I think the most important piece that's missing from this, based upon my experience in this city over the last 30 years. This city for depending on how you count 15 or 20 years invested in Old Pasadena. When it began Old Pasadena was our Skid Row. Old Pasadena was a porn theater, a porn shop, a, a, a, bar, a used clothing stores, thrift stores. And today it's one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in Southern California. because for 15 or 20 years we devoted staff time and real dollars to investing in Old Pasadena. I was the only one to vote against the three parking structures in Old Pasadena. I think it was 37. Probably the most important investment. Yes, and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why, Mr. Mayor. You can laugh, but I'll tell you why. Because when we invested $37 million, which would be like $200 million today, when we took that vote, imagine us taking a vote, that's the same magnitude as the library. We were assuming that people would pay to parking those parking structures. And it turned out they didn't. And so we were losing $1 million a year in debt service that came out of our police budget, our fire budget, our park budget, our library budget. And I predicted that people would not pay. And so I, as mayor, did the deal with the merchants to put in parking meters. And I used to say my three greatest accomplishments as mayor were the general plan, which is still a blueprint for development in our city. That was number one. Number three was putting parking meters in O'Pastina. Number two was not getting recalled for putting parking meters in Opaestina because it was that controversial. But we had to find a way to pay for a million dollars that we were bleeding every year because we put this investment in Opaestina. And what we, the deal we made was that we put all of the parking meter revenue into increased cleanliness, increased security, and beautification of Old Pasadena. We invested millions of dollars in Old Pasadena and the result was we tripled the sales tax. I'm sorry we tripled the property tax and we quadrupled the sales tax and we made it into a money machine for Pasadena. So when we face a $2 billion shortfall of capital, we not only have to think about what our taxpayers gonna pay for or what our ratepayers gonna pay for, why aren't we using the success of Old Pasadina as the template to invest in Lincoln Avenue, to invest in North Ferrokes, to invest in East Colorado, to invest in North Lake. Not all at once, not with $200 million for each of them, but significant catalytic investments in areas of the city where because of the decline of of retail sales, we have empty businesses and empty lots. We should be investing in the place making in order to triple our sales tax and quadruple our property tax and increase local employment and give local businesses an opportunity to start businesses and live the American dream. How much money is in here for investment in those places? Zero. And yet we've literally spent millions of dollars on plans. Millions of dollars to create these wonderful grand plans that sound like North Lake will be the Champ de Lise, of the San Gabriel Valley. That were That north fair oaks and Lincoln Avenue, which have suffered from decades of disinvestment, are going to get these wonderful trees and sidewalks and beautification and parklets, et cetera. I think we need to be realistic and commit that over the next 10 to 20 years, we need to invest in our future as previous generations did. As we did in Old Pasadena, as previous generations did in South Lake, we need to be investing in the rest of our city in order to generate the revenue from new businesses and new employment and new tax revenue. That's the way, along with asking our residents to pay for some of this, and continuing the success we've had in chasing state and federal grants if there are any federal grants in our future. So I really think it's not enough to simply say, well, we've done a good job in the past and we're, you know, we're doing what we've always done in the present. I think we need to have a very serious conversation about how we're going to pay for two billion dollars worth of needs in this community. And one of the ways we're going to do it is by investing. We did it in old pastina. It was an enormous success and we could do the same thing on East Colorado We could do the same thing on North Lake, etc So that's the the larger framework. It's not gonna affect our vote next week But I think as a as a council and as a leadership We need to have a plan for how we're going to pay for $2 billion. Not all of it has to be done next week, next month, next year, or even in the next five years. But if Pasadena is to be competitive and to have a high quality of life for our children and our grandchildren, we can't just continue with business as usual. Thank you, Mr. Cole. Let me just say that a lot has happened in this city since all the past of the day. business as usual. Thank you Mr. Cole. Let me just say that you know a lot is happening in this city since Old Pasadena and you know the council this council or previous councils have not been on automatic pilot since Old Pasadena for example the playhouse district has become a tremendous improvement. Link and Avenue I'll share with you, has seen tremendous investment and improvement. All parts of the city have received tremendous investment and opportunity. And the garages were the linchpin for old Pasadena. I remember those discussions well and what the property owners told us at the time was we can't sell old Pasadena and what I mean by sell is to customers who are, you know, we want to draw to old Pasadena or to investment, private investment, without parking. And so the parking garages were invested in for that reason. And I think people would say that those who argued for the parking garages, I was not on the council at the time, but we're on the right side of history because that was the linchpin that then caused probably billions of dollars of private investment that made the difference in old Pasadena. Now your point that we need to invest in place making, no question here that we need to invest in place making. But we also have other needs, needs that we've addressed over the years. Every single one of our playgrounds, and I would argue with you, most of our parks have been capital improvement projects that were very important to place making throughout the city. And you know, we could have easily said, well, let's not invest in our parks, let's not invest in place making in people's neighborhoods or place making in the oil. But we made a very conscious, not an automatic pilot, but a very conscious decision since Old Pasadena to invest throughout the city. Because people came here and demanded it. People came here and said, you know, you've made great investment in Old Pasadena, but that's not the only part of the city. We need place making in our neighborhoods. We need place making along Lincoln, the Orange Grove corridor throughout the city. And that's what past councils have done. And that's what I've seen this council do. Again, doing it in a thoughtful manner that has improved our city tremendously and I would say to you, you know at one point Pasadena was known for one place and that was old Pasadena that I agree with you thanks to those garages But now Pasadena is known as a great city because of the wealth of Places that have been created not just in old Pasadena, but throughout the city including in some of our neighborhoods Because we've improved them so it's a balance. It's an balance, but to say that anyone's been on automatic pilot, I, before I joined this council, I would say to you, that was not the case. After I joined this council, I think I've laid out some, just a couple of examples of why that's not the case. This city is no longer known for old Pasadena. The playhouse district is a wonderful place. East Pasadena, Lincoln, Farrokes. Now is there more to do? Absolutely. But a lot has happened since Old Pasadena. Mr. Suda? Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Madison. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, wow. I mean, I'd like to try to get back to the Capitol budget, but your comments are so apropos. And I feel impelled also to respond to that filibuster or whatever it was. It couldn't be more wrong. And you've touched on a number of the reasons why mayor, we did engage in place making in the last 20 years. We rebuilt the building that you all are sitting at. So it'll be there for the next 100 years. We rebuilt the civic auditorium and the convention center. So it'll attract commerce and the arts. We rehabilitated and rebuilt and are continuing to do so the Rose Bowl. So it will continue to be known as our identity on January 1 and beyond. We fought tirelessly and ultimately killed a misguided freeway project and now we own those 50 acres and we're going to make incredible places there. And just the notion that voting no against old Pasadena was the right move and that now we should be paralyzed because we have capital budgets. I want our staff and this council to have aspirational budgets out in front of us that we can go yet. Once we figure out the right thing, the right project, the right way to go about it. You know, I always laugh when people talk about, you know, you got so many unfunded mandates like many of us around the dias I'm a parent and can you imagine if when here your child was born somebody came and handed you all the unfunded mandates that you now had as a parent you'd almost be ready to give the whole darn thing up but you don't because you know that you're going gonna continue to work hard and invest and make good decisions. And that's exactly what we've done. So I don't think it was appropriate. Tonight to have this debate, I think frankly it's probably about three years too early, but enough said, I look forward to maybe talking about how we do these kinds of things at the retreat mayor once we've got that confirm Because I think tonight would be a really good example of some fruitful grounds for discussion. Thank you What's this? Mr. Misuda. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you for the discussion. And I sitting here when I was hearing Council Member Cole talking about the garages, what I started to think about, and I think you and Council Member Madison will appreciate the one we had redevelopment money. That's where those garages started from. I really appreciate the Council members that really worked on that to actually have old Pasadena become what it is today. I remember I used to take my wife to Ernie Juniors, remember that place and now it used to be kind of scary to walk to your car. But now it's such a beautiful place and I agree with you that it's the highlight of our, it's really a place in Pasadena that's so beautiful, but people forget the councils that members that worked on with redevelopment money and when it was taken away from us, how difficult it became. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Ms. Rebus. Thank you, Mayor. Very briefly and thank you to everyone for the conversation. I think Councillor Recol me have inflamed some tensions with on amongst other council members. And so I don't want to jump into that. But I think the kernel of what you're saying, at least what I'm hearing, especially when it comes to the specific plans that we invest so much time and energy and money. But we don't see a through line to our capital improvement budget. And I think that's something we all can agree on that we invest so much time and energy and money, but we don't see a through line to our capital improvement budget. And I think that's something we all can agree on that we should work on to have a more direct through line. So all that work we're putting into, all the staff time that goes into that. So we do see those more direct improvements. Over time, of course, along North Lake and Faroaks and all our other specific plans. So I thank you for raising that point and understand the other council members' perspectives as well. But thank you, Mayor. Yeah, no question. There's more work to do. And if we want to move money from the general fund, parks, for example, or other departments, We can make that decision, but it has to be a well thought out decision. All I'm saying is, you know, the investments that I pointed out, Mr. Madison pointed out, were costly and important infrastructure. I mean, if we hadn't done the Convention Center, for example, imagine that. Imagine that missed opportunity and the number of people that are drawn to the Convention Center for Events. But it was something that's occurred since Old Pasadena that the Council invested in thoughtfully at the time, Rose Bowl, same thing. Imagine not having invested in the Rose Bowl. That's part of our infrastructure. And I would say not just place making, but city and region making. And so, you know, we need to redouble our efforts individually, but also understand that, you know, there are priorities. If we had all the resources, we would certainly pay for everything up front. But I would suggest to you, unlike other cities in the region, Pasadena has led the way in terms of investing in its infrastructure, in its city's past, its present and in its future. And so for that, I think we should be grateful to the staff for putting in the time and the reason we should never have a third of projects because that would tell me that the staff's not thinking through the needs of this city. I'm sure the staff would be the first to say, we wish you, we would just show up and you'd just fund all of this and get it done, but that's not possible. So they're constantly together with the council, thinking through the needs of this city and we create projects. And we wish we could fund them right away, but you know we it's It's tough to do If not impossible without going to the taxpayers and saying you know open up not just your wallets, but your bank accounts Take out a second on your home and so I applaud the staff for bringing us projects, creating projects in some ways. I'm sorry that we can't fund what you see as the needs of our city right now. I wish we could, but I encourage you to keep thinking through the present and future needs of this city. Always keep it in mind our historic past. So with that, unless there are other comments, Mr. Cole. Yeah, Mr. Cole, we'll give you the closing. Yeah. Mr. Cole, in. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Look, you and Councillor Marumaticin have made good points and I did not mean to diminish 20 years of record. I thought I had acknowledged that at the outset but if I was insufficiently detailed about all of the achievements over the last 20 years, certainly you have made more like 40, 50 years. Right. Certainly you have appropriately and accurately stated the accomplishments of the last whatever number of years we want to count. And again, to be clear, I supported strongly building those barking structures. I voted against it reluctantly because we didn't have a plan to pay for it. We had to make a plan to pay for it and we did. And I took responsibility for that. But here's my point and you can agree with it or disagree with it. I think the magnitude of the world is changing at such a rapid pace. Online sales and corporations are eviscerating the, it's very difficult for local businesses to survive. Restaurants, retail stores, we're losing them. It's not our fault. It's the fault of a much bigger set of challenges. Mr. Masuda is right. We no longer have redevelopment funds to turn to since 2011. We last year raised sewer rates, water rates, trash rates. I say, we, I wasn't here, but as a city, we did that. And that's allowing us to actually catch up on water mains and things like that that we're that we need to do. So I'm not saying we haven't done a good job. What I'm saying is the magnitude of the job ahead of us means that we need to do more than just say, well, you know, this is the amount of money we have and let's allocate it. I think we need to be thinking ahead five and ten years and figuring out how we're going to pay for that. That's really my point. If I, if I, if I, by whatever I said or failed to say, I didn't accurately convey that, that is my point. My point is not to point the finger at previous administrations. I celebrate and acknowledge your successes. What I'm saying is we have ahead of us $2 billion and we can say, well, we've always had $2 billion and somehow we muddle through. That's not my view. My view is that we have to have a long-term plan that takes into account. We probably aren't going to have federal dollars. We certainly aren't going to have redevelopment dollars. So how are we going to figure this out? And I think that's the point about automatic pilot is not that we are somehow, that's not the point is that we need something different and new beyond what we've done in the past, not because what the past was inadequate, but because we have these challenges ahead, that's my point. And I hope that we will utilize this opportunity to work with our staff and our community to take up that challenge, because I think it will pay off for all of us as the previous investments have paid off for For previous generations as you and mr. Madison have delineated Yeah, you remind me the the Garage's were the product of read development dollars and we lost that tool and you know it's been a a tremendous impact to the city since and hopefully we can get some form of redevelopment back but you know I certainly and it's not 20 years it's you know 20 to 50 years probably that past councils past staff members have thought ahead and you and the playhouse district, and this is the example that didn't just happen, and it happened without redevelopment dollars for the most part. And so I think we should continue to work together and encourage our staff to bring us projects that improve the entirety of the city. It's a long tradition in Pasadena that we respect the thoughts and visions of past councils and staff members who put these projects, past staff members that are put these projects on the books. And we sometimes have to make decisions about priorities and we'll continue to do that with an eye to improving the entirety of the city. With that, there's anything else? I do, actually, of, no, seriously. You've just been a motion to adjourn, but I just, well, just because I didn't want any more statements being made, this is going long. But you're gonna make a statement now. I'm gonna make a statement now. No, just the two items I wanted to bring up, which was one that I've received lots of emails about our ecosystem, monarch butterflies, better be bubble bees. What are we doing about, you know, planting milkweed in some of our parks and things like that? So I've been receiving lots of correspondence and every time I see someone at one of my favorite areas, they mentioned it, like what's going on? What are butterflies now that our community north of us has been decimated by the fire? The other thing is that has been brought up to me a lot and I don't, maybe just because the United States Department of Health is looking at fluoride in our water. And so I think this may be something to bring up to MSC or I don't know if this is MSC or health, but to have a report back from staffs thinking on the use of fluoride in our water, we added in or do we get it from met with already fluoride already in it. Okay. So those are two items that you just want to bring up. Thank you. Motion to adjourn before. So we will accept that motion without a second. And I would ask that the council stand in a journey in of Peggy Sisson, Robert Denham, Edwin Gould, also known as Jed the Fish, Richard Marth, and Andrea Donahue, all great participants in our civic process and great contributors to the city that we now all call home and enjoy.