All tonight's meeting to order for 31 on April the first. Chair Lindsey. Present. Vice Chair Kamra. Oh. I know I'm trying to. Yeah, it's on. It says to have it close. Yeah, it's on. No, it was on when it was red. I said it was red. Yeah, it's on now. OK, thanks. Thanks for the meeting. What? The short pitch board was the great result of the last semester. Present. All right, member middleman. Present. Member Taft. Present. All right, member middleman. Present. Member taft. Present. Thank you. Are there any changes to the agenda? There are no changes to the agenda. Okay. Are there any one from the public? We'd like to address the board on any items I'm not currently on tonight's agenda. We do not have any attendees online and if someone wants to speak on something not on the agenda, now's your time. Seeing them. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. I'm not sure if you're going to get the right answer. And am I correct in assuming there is no consent agenda? That's correct. We just have the one public hearing item. Okay. All right. Let's go to that item. Is there a staff presentation? Yes. Thank you. This presentation for Sevede Valley Court is a continuation from the March 4th, 2024 ASRB meeting. On that meeting date, the ASRB continued the item with direction for the applicant to provide additional information and items and return to the ASRB for further review. The additional items include physical samples of the proposed materials and colors for the proposed pool patio and walls, as well as digital renderings of the proposed project from different angles and sides. For this formal design review, the applicant is proposing to relocate and redesign this women pool from a previously approved location to another location within the project site upslope from the main residence. The project, as approved, includes demolition of an existing single family residence and the construction of a single family residence guest house and pull house. So to recap from the last meeting this is the existing aerial photograph for the project site. This is the existing project site. This is the existing project site. This is the site plan. This is the enlarged site plan. And the next few slides are the elevations, starting with the proposed south elevation. This is for the proposed east elevation. This is for the proposed west elevation. And this is the cross section, this is for the pool. This is the proposed long section for the pool. And this is the grading plan for the project site. And so here are the swimming pool renderings that were requested by the ASRB. So the applicant provided renderings, including eye-level perspectives and the bird's eye perspective for the pool patio and surrounding area. The renderings reveal the color and digital renderings of the provost materials, as well as the visibility and reflectiveness of the materials as depicted on a sunny day. So these next few slides are the renderings. So this is the bull rendering looking west. This is the rendering looking east. This is looking west at eye level. This is the rendering looking north. This is the rendering from the patio. This is another view from the patio. Here's the scanned copy of the materials board. The materials board is also, you can also hear it on the side here of the table. The applicant provided a materials board that contains physical samples of project materials, including the flooring, stairs, pool walls, base and side walls, and the vetating wall. The materials range from various shades of beige for walls and flooring to blue and turquoise glass materials for the swimming pool. This next slide is the Applicants Response to Attachment C, which is the desk item that was brought by 45-valid court at the March 4th, 2024 ASRB meeting. The highlighted portions, points of concern included the use of the existing barn as a business, the installation of unpermitted lighting and the construction of an unpermitted greenhouse. The code preservation office and building inspector for the town were notified of these items. And in inspection at the project site occurred on March 19th, 2024, the applicant has been notified that the barn cannot be used as a commercial office or a home office, and that it needs to be restored to a barn use. The applicant was directed to remove the greenhouse as it likely exceeds the maximum size allowed without approval of a conditional use permit which is 250 square feet and likely exceeds the plate and or overall height for accessory structures. And the applicant was directed to ensure that all materials are stored in the area on the approved staging plan, which is located close to the main residence. If the applicant needs additional storage area while finalizing construction, the applicant will need to submit an updated staging plan for review by the town. So the town, which includes the code preservation and the planning department, will continue to follow up with the owner to address all unvermitted items. So that concludes my presentation. Staff is happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you. Does anyone on the board have questions? I'm not quite sure of what it means. I did see what appeared to be in old greenhouse, probably preceding all that construction. I'm not sure if it's going to be a good idea. I'm not sure if it's going to be a good idea. I'm not sure if it's going to be a good idea. I'm not sure if it's going to be a node greenhouse, probably preceding all that construction. So I don't think that was mentioned. It says we did not build it, but it seems to be kind of in nodes stuff from what had been previous owner. Can we quantify if it's in the case? This is something that was recently installed by the current owners. It was not the site prior to the start of the construction project. And so there's different options. It's possible that it exceeds the height limit so that could be reason enough to take it down. The vegetable beds themselves are not an issue. If you just kept those, it wouldn't need a permit. If they decided to build a fence around it instead of the kind of covering, then we couldn't work with them on that and look at the fence regulations, or they can remove it. So we're just trying to one-getter the information. If it can be permitted, they can follow that process. But if there's modifications that would need to be made, they can either remove it or make those modifications. So it is a temporary structure or. At this point, it's a code enforcement action and that for the applicant, we'll need to address that with town staff. Thank you. And actually, I'm noticing, considering that this is a. Afterton adjacent property. With the afterton neighbors also get the same kind of notice that it would sign with that we get for an airs for being in it. Yes, it's just based on attacks roles. So all property owners, regardless of jurisdiction are notified. Any additional questions? I have one perhaps two. I noticed on the elevation there are appear to be lights and the risers of the stairs leading up to the pool. Is there a specification for those required at this at this stage? Yes, I believe we received those names a lot. I believe we received those they may have had them at the last meeting. There's small like louver lights if I recall correctly. Yeah, so it's kind of typical of what we see, whether they're embedded into retaining walls or on stair riders. Yeah. Thank you. Are there any guidelines around landscape lighting relative to the number of likes? So it's always the interesting thing with lights. You know, when you first look at a lighting plan, you see a lot of dots. And sometimes it looks like it's a lot of lighting. It really depends on the fixtures. So there's no requirement on the number of lights. But I think, well, the ASRB can look at the overall lighting for the project itself. So it's kind of this cumulative effect of lights. And so the more lighting, definitely it's pretty common to have lighting around areas for safe passage, but to what extent and looking at the fixtures are also important? I have on that one, I'm KJ3.5. I was wondering if we know what the output of that one is because there are 44 of those fixtures on this area. Thanks. Say the alpha. Well, thank you. So it's 12 watts. So we'd have to do a calculation to see if that's like the Christmas tree or not. I think, yes, if you understand lighting, you can you can look at that as different Calvin levels and types of lights. I will say that what we see on this plan is not something out of the ordinary for what we see on a lot of other projects of this size. Another question. So as it pertains to the ordinance staff satisfied with the response of the received in the applicant? With regarding the other issues for code enforcement. I think at this point it's just still a working together process. So the applicant has an indicated in any way that they're not willing to work with staff. So we're kind of driving this on a parallel track with this proposed pool. They're not 100% directly related. All of the overall construction activities. I'm cleaning the site up, you know, we'll ensure that takes place. And then where things cannot be permitted, they'll need to restore those. Such as using the bar and for a business, whether it's a home business or commercial business, it's just not a use, that's allowed in the barn. Okay, but just on the way here, I've talked by the site and apparently workers, construction workers are working at an active site. It's not, it seems to be which are the items brought to the attention of applicant to be resolved. It's not really within the purview of the ASRB to occur. It's not a direct relation to the project that you're reviewing today. But it's not beyond our purview to ask about progress and state of it. Definitely. Okay. Any additional questions? Nope. Okay. So at this stage, I'd like to invite the applicant if appropriate, make a presentation if you wish. Nope. Okay. I guess we can. Can ask questions of the applicant if anyone on the board has a question. And sorry, we'll just, um, their designer is online. Alex, do you want to say anything? Or, uh, yeah, I'm online, uh, virtually joining us, meeting thanks for presenting, uh, Pego and Sage. Um, I, I spoke to my clients and, uh, she's taking very seriously to address all those comments and items, violation related from last meeting. And, and unfortunately, I won't have the bandwidth to handle all those violations for her, but there is a more qualified architect that she had just contracted with that will handle any legalization or permitting issue with the rest of the items to be addressed. So yeah, so she's working towards making everything compliance. Yeah, that's that's only common that I like to make. Now, you know, anyone had any questions? I'm happy to address. Okay. So let's move to questions. Anyone on the board have questions of the applicants? Okay. Just have one quick question for Alex. Alex, are you no longer the architect on the pool or you that's just separate? Are there is there another architect that you refer to? Oh, oh, I'm sorry. This allowed me to clarify. Is there another architect that you read? Oh, oh, I'm sorry. This alarm. If I I am still the architect for the pool relocation. I'd be handling this project. The, you know, ASRB approval and subsequently to that the building permit application. Just that I won't have the bandwidth to handle. Rest of other items, you know, legalization of the, youization of the barn and change use, etc. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Any other comments? Yes. I was attending as a member of public who are concerns from the neighbors that the construction side doesn't look older than so. It's not really part of the architecture or review. People who applied the public did. Right. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, observation was that there was nothing unusual other than containers are more visible to the street and if there's any way to make them less visible it may be a good PR with the neighbors if that was part of their component other than that there was nothing unusual that I have noticed. Okay. Here. Any question? Yeah. David. I failed to note, but Alex, keep with the sightlines from below the house. Is it possible to see the pool from the front of the house, meaning from down here. We don't have the view for that, but we don't believe it will be visible. It will be visible from, say, the gate, you know, the entry gate, or along the value court. Thanks. Yeah, it's mostly blocked by the main house. You can tell from the previous slide. Ah. That's a very small thank you. Alex, I had one question regarding materials. This is your material board that we see here in the room. Yeah. Yeah. The front facade of the pool. Is that intended to be this sort of dark blue glass. Yeah, the upper right hand corner that we see on the screen now. Yep. I just wanted to make sure that's what I interpreted the rendering to look like. It was a blue glass. Okay. Yeah, and I think that with the water, the infantry edge, the waterfall, a fact it will look, you know, a little, I suppose, lighter color, I suppose, with the water, in front. That's something that we need to see in person, but it will be changed slightly. I have a question for any other member of the board questions. So at this stage, I'll open it to the public to make a comment if they wish or ask questions. Yes. I Could you say please come to the mic. You're back over recording. Yeah, you can press the red handle and you will adjust. Hey, great. Yes, I'm Alan Meredith. You met with me on March 4th. forth and I want to first say that this is a user friendly effort on on behalf of the community and in all of us working together to make this functional. Right off the top of the head I must thank the residents, the group for fixing the curb that had been damaged on our common road which they didn't even, I didn't even know they, they were going to do that and it was done without any acknowledgement. So thank you for that. Second, we were very pleased that right the day after we had our meeting, the businesses that had been taking place there stopped. And there hasn't been any businesses there in terms of the traffic, the 10 cars per day that had been occurring before. And that has been fantastic. And the community is delighted that people were walking up and down the street. So it's all really good. The third thing, of course, is just a concern about the lighting and My wife was very pleased that the someone had gone to the trouble of taking the bright light that was shining Into our home from their property and they took care of that too without any Any prompting other than the meeting here What we would like to make sure we do is just ask as a user friendly effort what is the we are not in a position to comment or have an opinion about the pool but informally it looks good to me. So that there's not that's not even an issue here on for this particular case. So what we'd like to do is just try to be neighbors, good neighbors and work, work with them as they have with us and with all of you. And we're going to also be talking to the mayor about some other conceptual ideas as you probably are aware There are five homes that are in this dead-end area that live that services to Walsh Road and to Valley Road and it's a one-way in one way at only and There are there's a an actual Atherton connection that goes under the freeway. And so we are going to begin a very long process with the support of all the resonances there to consider the possibility of this being. I'm not sure what the word would annexed or consider it being contributed to become part of Atherton, but that will require a great deal of political efforts and so forth. But we think that that may be a solution because as you well know, the fire department is servicing it from us from Atherton the police from Atherton The liability when I had met with the mayor a few years ago also highlighted the fact they liability for Woodside was not of interest to them and then there's a possibility that maybe from a tax perspective This taxes could be split 50 5050 for some duration of time between Atherton and Woodside in order to address the consequences. I'm finished. Any questions or anything I can answer? I was like a challenging topic you want to take up with the town. Yes, and that will be an according on April 3rd there is a there is a possibility. So thank you for that. GPS actually shows it as aftertherment and when you choose a wood side it still takes you to 70 valley court after. If you insist it's effort. And all of our mail is effort and just this the common sense, one way in, one way out. It does really make a lot of sense for the reasons I just described. It's a road of public efforts in road or fiber roads. It's horse trails. It's a horse trail correct but it also is it's it has a big afferton sign on it which you can you try by you you can see it so it's just it's a concept but we have to get all the residents is to agree that the concept and we have to agree to mayors would have to agree we probably have to move in EIR There's nobody online. Yep. Good. Thank you. All right. Close the public hearing with regards to this item and move on to board discussion. Anyone would like to start? Well, I just want to commend Alex for getting us a period of time and I find them very interesting. The nice soft colors will go with the other fields, not right now, but pretty soon. And I just commend all of you guys for working together and coming up with some solutions and quick solutions. So that was really good news to hear that. Yeah, I would have as a repech of those comments, I'm glad to hear that neighbors are happy when working together and not what's that, what the previous meeting told me, whatever I threw it, kneeled it. See. So I think that the material selection will go well with what's existing at the house, and it will look good. It's a field as well. And I'm not worried about it being too visible from the neighbors, especially as one is here, telling me that they're fine. The one thing I encourage you to do is make sure that as you plant the landscaping around the pool that you check in with your back garden neighbors, make sure that they're new as it bought. And the engineer in me worries about a pool above a house. And so I just encourage you to think of a way to make sure that that fails gracefully. So you don't have to have a pool in the house. It looks like a wonderful spot for the pool. Thank you. I would imagine that the interests of the owners are aligned with those of the neighbors who came up with more private area. or certain ones your privacy and people walking on the road, which is kind of transparent to highway 280. They are not supposed to really see when your family is around the pool. Is that correct? So everything's perfect. I think you did a wonderful job as well. Having soft scape up there, it looked so hard initially. This really helped and it was wonderful to see the rendering. So money well spent. Thank you. Yeah, I'll echo the comments of Vice Chair Kamara with commanding the applicant on responding to the items brought forward by the neighbor in the first session. We're encouraged to see prompt response and actions. So thank you for that. The renderings of the material palette are hugely helpful in terms of getting a better understanding of how this structure relates to the landscape and also the house itself. And I think the palette selection is actually quite thoughtful. But yeah, generally I'm appreciative of the response that came back with regards to two items, the ASRB had requested and I'm supportive of this. So this is essentially it's a formal designer view. It's revision to an already approved project. So from what I've heard from Board Today, it looks like the items that were addressed and there's no further comments, I'll relate to the pool. So the ASRB member may make a motion with a second, and you can just make a motion to approve the project as submitted with the conditions outlined in the staff report. Yep, is there a motion? Okay. Can you summarize the, can you paraphrase the stages? It's always the challenge. Oh, the recommendations are approved as president. And we commend the owners for their alignment with the neighborhood and wish them good luck. Is there a second? Second, Ed. All right. Chair Lindsey. Yes. Vice-chair Comra. Second. All right. Chair Lindsey. Yes. Vice Chair Conner. Yes. I'm going to bring it over you. Yes. The remittlement. Yes. Number TAF. Yes. The motion moves. Okay. Thank you. That concludes the one agenda item we had this evening or that only public agenda item we had this evening. Thank you. So there's a director report. Yeah, just we just have a director's report for January and February. You know, looking of the things we can kind of highlight and tend to look at is kind of fiscal year to date and kind of looking at that line at the bottom there. So you know, just in terms of, you know, the valuations and number of permits from last year to this year, you know, almost, as probably as close as you get. So one other thing I'll note that came out of our reporting to the state for annual housing reporting is the number of units that would side issue permits for in 2023. So the town issued 22 permits for new ADUs in 2023 and 11 permits for new single-family dwellings in 2023. So is that 22 a significant uptake? It is, it is. So the average four years prior to the start of the house and element process on the town average 15 units a year. And in 2022 we hit 15 units. But now 2023 we saw 22 units. And so I think it's part of just, you know, the word has gotten out more about ADUs, possibly RAD workshops helped a bit. And so I think people are understanding that there's a lot of different kind of possibilities and flexibility allowed for ADUs. So that might be part of what we're seeing. And even just checking for the first quarter of this year, we issued five permits. So kind of on track for 20 this year. So maybe we'll have a little more. Hopefully not less. But it's good to see that we're at a minimum hitting our targeted goal of 15 year. And exceeding that. So that will be helpful for the tone. I have a. How much question. I'll be no other answer to. You surprised. Is there. What's the split to all the questions. You surprised. Is there, what's the split of those permits between populism and on septic versus on steward? It's a good question. I don't know that often. It is a good question. It's something that wouldn't be too hard to figure out because we have all the addresses. So yeah, if you want to stream an email, I'd be happy to. We just did the list with all the addresses that we sent to the States. We could check that. Yeah, I remember some of the conversation on the housing element was it, or it's septic environment instead of, and there's some of that. Right. And it definitely does still for people. To end to these questions, for the ADO approval. Does the town require prior approvals from the county for the Cheptics or the condition? No, so it has to be approved with the permit. So as the permit application gets routed to the various departments, then including other agencies such as the fire district and the county for septic. And so all agencies departments have to sign off in order to permit the project, especially for something like septic, we need to make sure ensure that they have a place where they start spending money and time on construction, that they can properly meet the county regulations. So there's no condition of approval? That's correct. There are certain items like the fire district might defer like fire sprinkler plans, but almost everything needs to be approved with the permit. Thank you. Is there any action the board needs to take with regards to the director? No, it's just a report, so that's it. So if there's no other questions, we can't adjourn the meeting. OK. We'll do that adjourning the meeting. That's great.