you you you you you Good afternoon. Today is Monday, May 5th. Synchro de Mayo. I guess no one brought the margaritas. I'm just kidding. Everyone's just a laugh. Come on. It's Monday May 5th. It is 4 o'clock PM. Sorry we're a few minutes late. We just got back from the Wii cycle inaugural ride of the e-bikes. So you guys should check them out. They're super cool. Megan, do you want to go ahead and do roll call? Roll call May 5th. Council member Fredstein. Here. Council member Goufstison. Here. Council member Rolt. Here. Council member D'Angelo. Here. And Mayor Schenk. Here. Thank you. Thank you so much. Now we're going to ask for public comment on any Non-agenda item so if you haven't been to our meetings before that is nothing that we are covering in the agenda and Jay I see you are geared up and ready to talk you have five minutes or less please. Thank you. All right Try to make it as quick as I can. Obviously, I'm J. Shewmaker. The operative word in this is delight. If a project isn't delightful, we need to keep thinking. This is the future. You'll be here before you know it. Daily Lane is owned by the town and by the mall. I would suggest a partnership later. Imagine just embarking in the mall itself along a row of new storefronts. No elevators, no stairs to climb, no hiking and ski boots down the length of the mall. It's mariner and it's fun. I want to make two points with these slides. One is that if you're planning, you need to think it through and present the plan in ways that people understand it. And number two, point number two is that you may not appreciate the voracious appetite in the private sector for promising ideas, like the value of this real estate above this ramp. Two or three stories above the ramp facing south full of sunshine, luxury housing, facing redeveloped mall. It could be extreme value now. If the developer had a break on the partnership with the town for the ground, he could maybe go half and half on the transit solution as payment for the real estate that's created in the sky above the whole project could be terrific value or we could go back to the past American standard of strip commercial. I just want to point out that there's a 30-foot drop off at the end of the end of this grassy playground on the roof of the grocery store. I've been looking at the site as a hillside town or rust through these because I'm behind already. This is our hillside town. I've been, we have a pretty dramatic view from there. So I was looking upon you in France as a pattern for hillside for our center site. It has a supermarket, it has big houses, little houses, everything in between, it has a public square, it has great restaurants, wonderful, romantic setting. Now why can't we design plans to attract the private sector to create a hillside village for us with workforce housing built in at minimal cost to the town? It's level from the vice-roy to the Clarks. And if we had a bridge we could go back and forth on these all above parking. The Jordan hired an American planner who could talk all afternoon about how beat of his was but Jim Gustafson didn't buy it no way to make the leverage to the retail and there's no connection to the houses above and they're blind intersections to get there. I presented this plan to the planning department years ago based on a public proposed easement on Alpine bank property, which simplifies the intersection to the town hall. And the idea is to excavate all that parking, no more blind intersection to the bank either. And the bank employees could eventually under-, under ground, build a platform, put a new clock's market on the platform over a parking. And then when that's in the retail, and when that's up and running, demolished a small building that we have, and we excavate for parking under the at two, only 12 feet, not 26 feet, like that 30 foot retaining wall on that other. I would like to see the town, the center site developed as one package, one hillside village, similar to the base village, which was extremely popular, extremely valuable. And most of this was built in the last six or seven years. This is the sign I that should never have leaked out of the Architects office, but when the Timberline got a sniff of it, she organized all the HOAs on this side of the street and they opposed it now in six or seven years. What do we have? So the numbered lots are owned by the town. They're easily developed. their level. If you could offer covered parking to the owners on carriageways and incentives to play ball with us, covered parking is more efficient. You could have 60 more cars per lot, 10 lots covered. And then the module is about 135 feet. You would bring the upper half of the down and lower half up to a level. So there's earth as balanced. There's no export. Two market rate houses at each end of a row of seven spaces. And the five spaces in the middle could be one, two, or three units per space. So as many as many as 150 units on the number lots if we want to know. The concept is parking over parking so we would offer covered parking to the neighbors on Carriage Way as an incentive to play ball and then that roof could be designed something like this with an enormous landscape area because of fewer cars. I'm sunny side, supervised from the kitchen windows and private entry patios with sunshine coming through French doors into the middle of the unit and two or three bedrooms. Each unit, each workforce unit is about 14 hours square feet gross. So snow snowmass relics could become delightful. Thanks Jay. I thought we were already delightful but maybe more delightful. Thank you. Thank you for sharing with us. We appreciate it and we're glad to see you're still here. All right anyone else for public comments? Hi, Marilee. Come on up. You got to come introduce yourself to either microphone, either there, there. Just make sure the green light is on. Say it your name. Tell us where you live. We'll come over later. That's the Snowmass. And what else? It'll state your name and where you live. Marilee, up in spats and I live here in Snowmass Village. I would like to propose an annual spring pickup of... You move the microphone closer. Yeah, thank you. I'd like to propose an annual spring cleanup, not in terms of going around and picking up trash from public areas, but if you have a property you could bring it down to the road and it would be picked up. Something like, I guess the end of May would conflict with the holidays so maybe the first week of June when things have thought out and you know we're able to collect leaves or do whatever needs to be done. And it could be by a colon basis during the days that they propose. Yeah, all the villages are doing a town's aspen does a big one for days and the salt is doing something carbon-dale. So. And you're talking about outdoor materials or anything like that. Yes. Yes. for days and assault is doing something carbon-dale. So. And you're talking about outdoor materials or are you talking about mattresses? I mean, no, no. It could be if that's necessary. But I'm talking about the things that it's difficult for people to bring down to dumpsters, especially those properties that don't have pickup. So maybe, I see Aspen prohibits anything beyond eight feet as far as branches and things. So people would need to do some things, but it would be a really helpful opportunity and day for I think many people and by June people would probably be back. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else for public comment on a non agenda item? Okay. I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment time. We're not going to move on to the consent agenda and the items on consent are going to be the agenda overview resolution 17, which is the appointment of the associate municipal judge, ordinance eight, which is the electric permit fees. Starting with agenda overview, does anyone have anything they want to add or notify us that they're not going to be here or anything? Everyone's good, Susan, you good? Okay. Resolution 17, Associate Municipal Judge, anything? All right. And the electric permit fees. No questions? Great. We've seen all this before. Someone want to make a motion to approve. So moved. Second. I'll second. All in favor? Seconded human ordinance. Oh, right. I forgot. Sorry. Forgotta is an ordinance. Go ahead. Thank you. Yes. Okay. We'll call votes, including ordinance number eight. I can't hear Megan but that's because my mic wasn't on thank you sorry but I thought it was thought it was me. But I heard you. So thank you. Councilmember Dan Jalot. Aye. And Mayor Schenk. Aye. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Next up, we have our wonderful sob board here. And if you guys want to come up to the microphones and we're going to be We're going to be talking about request for approval on the mural at the tunnel and the Anderson Ranch sculpture projects. Welcome, you guys. Thank you. Will you be putting the overhead up of the mural? You can just come up and have it. It's getting us. Julie is murals. Great. Great. Thanks. We just, Julia Tyson, tourism director and I'm here with some select members of the Snowmass Arts Advisory Board and we wanted to come to council tonight to give you an update on projects that have been completed in the last year and there are a couple projects the committee will speak to that they're looking for approval on the artist selection. Here is an overview of the projects that they've been working on for the past year that will run through each one. The first one Melanie will speak will speak to is the Murrow Project. My name is Melanie Falca. I was here about a year ago. I know we now have a co-chair, Lois, upper. So go ahead, Mois. OK. I'm going to start with the Murrow Project in Town Park. There originally are some art there from community members. We would like to freshen that up and have a new mural in there, but not lose contact with the fact that we want community participation. So it's going to be approached a little differently. When we did it in the past, a community member went and got the paint, I think, from Bar Peckler. And I was one of them and we just went and painted. This time we'd be like artists and all four of the artists we contacted, understand and agree to this. They're going to put the mural up and then it's sort of like a paint by number thing. We want an event that everybody comes on the first day or two and paints on the mural that the professional muralist has already established for us. This way we can participate towards them said they'd help us with that. Maybe draw in members maybe have a little refresh, Mr. Somervet. And we just thought that would make it a little bit more meaningful and in keeping with what we already have there, but we'd like to continue with something new. So if there aren't any questions on that part. I may have a question, I have a question about that. So what do you expect the public to do on top of the mural? Well, it's just going to be like a framework. And they're going to tell us the blue goes in the wing of something or they're going to the artist. So there won't be a finished mural and then the public paints over it. No. It's going to be a framework, so to speak. Okay. And the public fills it in. And then the professional artists, I'm sure, will come in and clean it up and make sure it looks. And the artists will be there? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. So that's just one approach to it, but we do want to replace the mural if you're agreeable to that. And Melanie's going to talk about, we had four candidates and she's going to introduce you to some of the artists. Right, we had four artists apply for this. We presented their artwork to SOB. And SOB came back and recommended the following two applicants. The first choice is David Schwartz. David Schwartz is a partner of Schwartz brothers, based in Denver, Colorado. The brothers have been drawing and paintings in high school, and they both graduated with a degree in graphic design. They are heavily inspired by the natural world. Their work consists of not only mural paintings, but canvas prints, apparel, and tapestry. David received the most votes for his work when it was presented to Sop. So he's our first choice. We did bring in an alternative in his name as Heldr Borges. He's a visual artist specializing in murals and graffiti. He has been painting since 2003 and freely travels to create art. So far he has created mural art in six U.S US states and he received the second most votes. Heldr is not local Colorado, he lives in Atlanta, Georgia. So we hope to receive approval for the artist today for the tunnel mural project. So David Schwartz is the first choice recommended by SAP Committee and Heldr Borgis is our second choice. And I think everyone, I think you were here. Everyone remembers we here when we saw the last drawings of a visit before you started. So we have seen, they did come to us before with some mural drawings and we felt like we wanted it to be more about the environment, more sort of whimsical because of the playground and the rec center and everything is there. So this was sort of the second go looking at these. So thoughts, questions? These are both fantastic. Thank you for all the work, finding these artists. I was curious with this piece here, is this what he's proposing, or is this an idea that he's still working on, or how does that... This is what he's proposing. That's, excessively, Susan, if you want to chime in at all. I've had the pleasure of sitting ex officio on SOB, so I've seen all these, and you know, I thought you guys had great selections and really, like, did a wonderful job of coming back to us with something that we felt might be more acceptable. So, anyone? No other thoughts? I just, I like the theme and the generally, you know, just the vibe, I guess I would say. And I like that he's local from Colorado. I wondered if there were any other applicants that were more local. I also really like the idea of the community participation. I think that sounds fun. And I think that's a great idea. And this is definitely more in the in line with what I would have have a vision for for just that area. We did receive a proposal from Chris Erickson, who is a Colorado based muralist, and sculptor. His work is inspired by 80s skate culture and graffiti art. He loves working with bold and very colorful imagery, very modern. In the summer of 2023, he was commissioned by the city of Aspen to design and coordinate a 5,000 square foot street mural Which was painted by community members I Didn't know I needed to submit this a week before but I did print out And that I can have I can give you guys and it's more abstract It's more abstract. I think when sob was voting, I did not vote. I just was I was watching what they were doing what they were talking about. And I think people liked sort of the ones that you know had actual objects that were identifiable. I think they felt that was more urban than. Yeah. Can I ask, did he communicate sort of his thought process on like rabbits and big horn sheep and that kind of, like I'm curious what would, where's snowmass in this? So, you know, we really don't have a close with rabbits or they go and sheep in particular, so I'm just that's why I was asking if this was the done Like or if this was conceptual still because I feel like it's maybe not quite snowmass enough I like I like a lot where this is going and you know seeing it in the springtime I was like oh, oh, that's a fun, like, Eastery, springtime feel, but then I started thinking through. The colors are working okay for me, but it's the imagery that I'm questioning. What is the snowmass element here? If that were something that you were open to, kind of explaining to us the thought presses or maybe considering some more native or we actually gave them parameters where we said nature mountains you know things like that and this is what he came back with if you look at the second artists, Helder, Borges. This might be a little bit more in line with... If you look at the second artist, Halder Borges, this might be a little bit more in line with snow mass, with more of, you know, it is nature, it is animals. I haven't, we haven't talked directly to the artists themselves because we, I think most of them are pretty welcome to change or to make some modifications if we needed done. But these were the two most liked murals by the sob by sob. Any other thoughts? Yeah, I want to echo British thoughts. I hadn't thought about it, but I think you're absolutely right. With the other one, this one to me, I mean, these are our animals, but it's a little more aggressive, find. But you know the other one if we could get more local animals because we really don't have a big learn sheep, norm rabbits here. We have deer and fox and coyotes and bears and I don't know I think they did a great deal. We have a lot of inspirational elements here to draw from I I mean, even the gorgeous balloons that happen down there, and I feel like there is inspiration that's very snowmass-centric, perhaps in this same kind of artistic vein, because I think it's really attractive with the way it looks down the corridors there. But I do just, I was struggling with wanting it to be a little more snowmass in its inspirational elements. I don't know how. I mean, and I know it's a difficult thing, but with public art I do feel like there is just a bit more of that like public engagement element. And I would say that our community might be curious why we put these particular animals in such a centric space. So I don't know if there's much collaboration. I mean, I think it's beautiful. I also just think of the elk that spend a lot of time right there in horse ranch or or even the horses. But I agree I really think this is fun. Like I like the feeling of it and I think it's really whimsical and playful and it just doesn't quite tie this snowmouse as much as it maybe could. In the second one. We want you to choose. We're just giving suggestions. Whatever the group wants is the direction more. Definitely go. You also have Chris in front of you as well. And there was the fourth one. Yeah, there was one more. I really like this if you would. I mean, I open to. I I think he would be open to it. If he's open to, I love the idea about the balloons and putting some Elken. I think he would be more than willing to change up, what he has there. What's the time frame? Like when were we hoping to get this project? It's scheduled to be installed in July if we can keep it on schedule because we have some work to do on the tunnel, some repairs on the tunnel, and then we also have to go through legal for a contract, so it takes time. we could ask him to come back with some of the suggestions that you have. And... That'd be great, I think. And again, you know... Are you okay? Probably the earliest we could do it because I really go on in its own takes while lawyers, you know, but Are you okay with this artist and just need to get yeah? I think that's why I'm hearing the consensus. I think it hits the mark of what we were asking for before which is just something that felt more like if there were kids playing and you know that area is very family friendly and it definitely gives that vibe. So I think we just need to come back with a different characters. Different characters. The same theme different characters. Yeah, I mean see if he could introduce more elements of I guess, Snorna. I mean it's really exciting that he's Colorado based. So hopefully that will help. Like maybe how the wheels will start turning about what is a little more than this region and but in general I think it feels right. Like the flavor is good and the use of space and that I like that there's some minimalists in it too. It's not so so busy overwhelming. Yeah. I think it'll be really well received. A little more of a snow mass connection. Councillor, are you wanting to see the final design again? Yes. Okay. So I'd suggest a motion to select the artists with a condition that they revise the design based on your comments. And then we'll bring it back. So I can bring it back once there's a revised design. Would someone like to make that motion? So moved. Second all in favor? Great. I'm what about the portion on that community involvement? Do you like that idea? Yeah I think it's great. I think we should definitely play that out. I'm going to go for it Julia. On that. Yeah. OK. Just we're on that. I mean, is there going to be any, because I wouldn't involve at the time, but is there going to be pushback from the community because of what's there now? And we're painting over it. I mean, well, I'm one of those people. I mean, too. I'm actually one of those people, too. So I think that people will be sad, but I think at the same time, if you go down there, it's been up for a really long time, and it needs to be refreshed. And so, rough, you know. But like, maybe before we paint over it, like, you let people know, and they can come down and take a few last pictures with it If they're sentimental about it, but I do think it's okay. I yeah So I just want to be clear on the direction we've approved the artist So I we need to come back for the next town council meeting to get the content approved Yeah, I mean I would say talk with the artist and see if he's able to maybe switch out some in the animals and what his thoughts are and how long that turnaround would be and then maybe you could still make it by the July date. Make it on the agenda. Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you on that one. Thank you. The next project is one that came to Council last spring, I believe, from Anderson Ranch and I think Lindsey can speak to it and we are coming back with an artist selection on this sculpture project. Thank you. just some pronounced blue guys, the self-career that I was using now, and that's a movement object. So I'll just... Sorry. I'll start by introducing myself. I'm Lindsay Fortier. I'm with Anderson Ranch and also on the subcommittee and I really appreciate your time today. So as a quick refresher, the Council has previously approved the idea and direction of this partnership with town of Snowmass Village and Anderson Ranch to put forth an outdoor sculpture, kind of revolving outdoor sculpture program. So this would be our first year and the idea is that snowmass would support two sculptures. One would be located in the village and one would be located on Anderson Ranch's campus. So today I am proposing that we place a sculpture within town of Snowmass. We've reviewed quite a few different locations and had originally voted to place this sculpture at the lower rodeo roundabout. But we just recently found out that that's not going to be possible. So we're on the hunt for another location. One of them was at the trailhead of the Tom Blake trail where they're kind of next to the parking lot there and the bike path, but I think that we're going to move forward with finding out what the other location options are and we can keep you posted on that. But to continue moving this project forward, we wanted to see if we could get approval for the sculptures so that it's going to be installed this spring. So the first sculpture that I'm showing is the one that was most popular with the SOB Committee. We looked at four or five different artists, and this is the one that we all voted was the most popular and had sort of the best connection with Snowmass Village. So I'm going to tell you a little bit about this one. This is by artist, Lita Wilson, and Lita has actually been a part of the ranch's outdoor sculpture exhibition and she has shown work in our gallery. She's a regular faculty member so she has come back to Snowmass several summers in a row and taught workshops here and she really does have a strong connection to this place. Her work that we are considering placing within the village is called Hawaii California Steel Figure Ground. It is a striking 10-foot tall sculpture that merges photography with industrial materials. It was originally commissioned for the Decorava sculpture park and museum in Massachusetts, and it's a piece that features large-scale photographs of contrasting landscapes. Joshua Tree National Park in California paired with lush jungles of Hawaii are printed directly onto intersecting steel plates. This innovative use of printingsexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the intersexing of the mass and the surrounding environment changes with the seasons, influencing how the photographs are perceived. So that's a little bit about the artist and the work here. You can see this is really a beautiful three-dimensional piece, so we're going to take that into consideration when we choose a location because it can be viewed on all different sides. Are there any questions at all about this piece of the ranch right now? One of her pieces is at the ranch. It's not this piece, it's a different one. It actually sits outside my office so I get to see it every day and it is very striking but it's not, I would say it's not obtrusive in any way. It kind of works really well in harmony with the natural environment around it. So although it uses these more, I don't know that I would say urban, but more, what's the right word? Like intense steel plates for the materials. It is so much softened by the photographs that are printed on them. So it has this really interesting juxtaposition of kind of built in natural forms. Questions about this sculpture anyone? Susan? Good? Okay. I guess for me it's not really about the sculpture looks very interesting. It would be, I'd just particularly curious on the location that you guys land on. See how I feel in that space. So I know that's the challenge that you have facing you. That is yes. And this is kind of a similar situation where maybe we get approval of the artist and the sculpture pending the location selection. So that could be a way to move forward. And how long is it here for? So it could be here for a year or up to two years. I think that we're really leaning on two years because that way we'll get kind of some of the expenses extended. I can speak a little bit about the budget if you'd like next. And unfortunately, Susan, I apologize the slide that's after this one talks about the budget and is a bit outdated. So I handed out some revised budget information to the group here. But in the first year, it would be a total cost of $5,000 that would go to the artist as an honorarium. So since there are two works, one that goes in the village and one that goes on the ranch campus, that would be a total of 10,000. We estimate about $4,000 per work for shipping and installation. installation and then insurance and overhead would be about $1800 per work. So that takes us to a total of $21,600 for the budget in the first year. If you go to the next handout, so we're looking at this one, You can see that in year one, we would have two sculptures total, one in Snowmass Village and one at the ranch. In the second year, we would add, if we like this program, we would have the opportunity to add a second pair of sculptures, one in Snowmass Village and one at the ranch. So there's a lot of flexibility with this program. I think that one of the key strengths is that these artworks can be added to and swapped out through over the course of the years so that we're not kind of stuck with one sculpture for a super long period of time. And we've really seen at the ranch with our revolving outdoor sculpture exhibition, it just brings a lot of life and new interest to the space each year, which has really helped with visitors and return visitors to our campus. So we wanted to bring a similar approach to this program. Great. So I'm not clear why, and the town would be paying for all this, or we splitting with Anderson Ranch. So Anderson Ranch is providing all of the connection with these artists and all of the expertise to navigate bringing these sculptures here, all the shipping, all the agreements and contracts, all of that expertise and connection. And then the town would be paying for those expenses that I just laid out. I mean, is the public gonna really engage with the piece that will be at Anderson Ranch? That's the problem I'm struggling with. You know, it's all great, but it's a little strange taking the public money and putting a piece at a private institution. I mean, I hear you're saying, but I do think that people are walking through by the golf course through the campus all the time. Plus, every week they have those auctions and other things and lots of people take classes there. Their kids take classes there. I mean, I think it's, I don't have an issue with that. I mean, I sat in the sob meeting where I'm blanking on the woman's name from Anderson Ranch, but she did the whole presentation of the different artists and the type of art and what we could get. And that was extensive legwork to sort of get to this point. So that was sort of their contribution. They brought the expertise and the connections. But I don't know. Other thoughts? I would I would I understand the concern, Tom, and I think at least for our family, Anderson Ranch is almost like a public asset that we we are treated by Anderson Ranch to so many public events where we're getting free food, free activities for kids. And I take my kids probably seven times a year to the campus and there's nothing that's asked of us. So it's an interesting space that almost feels like for us, it's like a, it's a third space that we're able to go to that is very welcoming to the public so that's the only that it feels different than just a private institution. Is there a possibility of locating in some place that's both at the ranch but also we can be viewed if you're not at the ranch. You mean like from the golf course? Not sure. Or something. I mean, something where the public could engage with it as well as Anderson ranch could engage with it. I mean, some sort of, I don't know. A location on the campus that's also viewable beyond for people that like from public spaces. Potentially. I mean look like if they put it a piece at a trailhead and you're not a hiker or a biker. I'm not so happy about the trailhead location. So. But maybe you know we've pushed up that mound of earth at the end of the parking lot Maybe if it was on that you then would engage you with it when you're driving by We I want to see it right down the trail head because but also I mean that's a such a congested parking place That if anybody want to go drive up and see it's like the worst place to encourage people to park. When I had walked through, just to, I mean, we can let go of the Tom Blake Trailhead. I'm certainly not advocating for that to be the place if it's not a good fit, but we had talked about having it be, if you're picturing kind of the bike path, it would be on the mountain side of the bike path as the trail where that intersection is with the trail in the bike path so that it's not like right on the edge of the parking lot. I mean I yeah that makes sense. So I think we need a more location like that but I really do like the pieces we have where public engage with it can see it in the normal course of their day. I mean the piece by Loretts School House, you see it, the two pieces over by the rec center, you see the bears and the stones, I mean you see it and engage it. Well that was originally why the round, I mean that was part of the discussion with the round. I mean, I know how difficult it is when some of those conversations finding locations, locations really important. Yeah. I would certainly like to have us bet that Madam Mayor Susan has got to hand it. Oh, Susan, go ahead. I have just sort of feel like that it's more appropriate for us to put these pieces of artwork in areas of more development, like sort of our centers of, you know, at the town park, town, you know, that center, at the, just at some of the town spaces rather than out on trailheads. To me, that seems like kind of disrupting sort of the natural environment out there a little bit. So I would prefer to have it closer to other town buildings, amenities, that sort of thing. Yeah I think that's definitely Sobs preference as well so we're in good alignment there. Okay so I think the question is do we feel comfortable moving forward with this sculpture, this artist, with a location to be determined based on what they find out? Is there a second piece, too? Yes, so the second piece you can see here is by an artist named Kiki Smith. This is the piece that would go on the Anderson Ranch campus. Kiki Smith is considered a premier female artist of our generation. She's a German-born American artist who's known for printmaking, sculpture, and drawing, and she received the Women in the Arts Award from Brooklyn Museum in 2009 and was named one of Time Magazine's 100 people of the year in 2000. Her bronze sculpture Capricornis is a fusion of mythology, astrology, and personal symbolism. The piece features a goat entirely made of bronze representing her zodiac sign Capricorn. This work reflects Smith's exploration in the interconnectedness of nature, mythology, and the human experience, inviting viewers to contemplate the boundaries between the Earthly and the Celestial. We selected this as the pairing for Anderson Ranch's campus because Kiki Smith really has that upper blue chip level artist status that we're excited to bring to the ranch and to bring to this program. And we really feel like this would enhance the campus quite a bit and hopefully provide some press and media interest into the program as well. And that would also point to the Lita Wilson piece too. So that was some of the thinking behind choosing this artist for the ranch campus. And it would follow a similar schedule where this piece would be on campus for two years. And do you have a location picked out at the ranch? We are still kind of juggling all of the sculptures that we're going to be adding. I think we're going to have six or seven new ones on campus this summer. And so we're kind of making sure that everybody is going to be in the best spot for the sculpture and it kind of depends on the final pieces that will be part of the program this year. Some of it may write that some of the sculptures on interested rancher for sale. Yes. Okay. And with this program, it won't be or it still will be. Correct. It will not be for sale. Okay. Got it. And I know they thought that all these conversations are brought up in my mind is depending on, you know, where this piece ends up, that cross-pollination. I love the idea of Anderson Ranch artists being drawn to somewhere in the village. And likewise, somebody seeing this art and being inspired to go down to the ranch. So to Susan's comment, if it were in more of one of our urban settings, it might not only have the nature connection in a place that's missing that as opposed to putting more nature in nature, but also kind of get that movement back and forth between the ranch and our own location that we might want to inspire more movement in. Yeah, hopefully they'll ride the bikes. Exactly. Yeah, I think that was a really great part of this program is that they kind of point at each other and with all the hard work that the committee has been doing to set up the art walks and it would really help integrate them together with all of that existing. And just did these go all these go on the art walk map? Yeah, these could be added as well. Great. OK, so you will then, if we approve it, then you're going to come back and tell us location off. Yeah, I'm so sorry about the location. We just found out like four days ago that that was a change. And so we'll regroup and meet with the poster committee. I think that's the right group and see where we can find. And it's really helpful to hear that you do want this in a more prominent location with some good foot traffic, car traffic, things like that so that it's certainly noticeable. Lindsay, can you have that hand over here? Can you have that hand out emailed to me so I can get that to Susan so that she can and I can also put it as part of the record. It can just be clerk at tuesv.com. Okay. The word clerk. Okay. We'll do. Thank you. Sorry about that, Susan. Do you want us to make a motion? I don't like we did the other one. I would certainly for the Luther Wilson piece and say, you prove the artist's location to be finalized by the council. And then you just want to... like we did the other one? Well, I would certainly for the, the Wilson piece and say, we prove the artist in location to be, you know, be finalized by the council. And then you just, yeah. Oh, no, I think we need to approve both pieces, right? Yeah, I believe so. Just so, no, but we want to see the locations. Yes. Well, that's nice. Just one, one comment to make about, and I don't actually know anything about the history of the one at Little Red, and I love the aesthetics of it. We do have a problem that the kids go and hang on it. So whatever the, like, they, I don't know if you know what it looks like, so it's like, yeah. Yeah. So the older kids can reach it, and then it spends them around. It's very fun for them, but concerning. Yes. And then we have parents running up the hill trying to get them off. So it happens pretty regularly. So just a comment about safety interaction, because I think the interaction's great, but like sharp edges or whatever it is, just making sure that these are well suited for the public spaces. Public spaces. Especially the spaces they're going into if it's by the rec center or whatever if people can really interact with them. We've had those conversations. That's a good note. I was worried about it with that piece too but I've never actually seen it happen. I've got video on that. Okay. And Brian running after Brian running after the game. And that's, yeah. I mean, that's a good point is there's a lot of sculptures at the ranch that encourage interaction physically and then some that have signs that are very clearly like do not touch sculptures. Put up signs as much as you want. But we do want to make sure safety's a very focus. Yeah. And I think when it's in the public domain, there's just you're just going to risk that Yeah, except people may interact with it in some way So in a good and I think that's good I just the one at Little Red has illustrated the creative ways that people Okay, would someone like to make motion to approve the sculptures pending the locate and pending locations when we find a motion to approve the two sculptures presented and we want to see the proposal occasions at a later meeting. Great. Second. Second. Paul in favor. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. All right. Thank you Anything else from Signage oh, yes, just a few projects then that we don't need approval for necessarily just wanted to update you on projects that are ongoing Somebody want to speak to the signage project. Oh, hi. Gilen and the signage project I think actually was approved by was it last year? Yeah, this is just an update. We've been working on the artwork for the last few years and it's been mapped now and these signs we really we've been working with Judy Kohler on them. They're very clear to read. We want to see them at different angles to see what was the most legible because sometimes, you know, so we thought we'd just change all the signs to look similar to give, you know, a consistency to the artwork. And we really love the way these look, the way and the last for a long time. And yeah. Do you have any questions? What is the durability? I mean, I think they look great, but as you go around and you see signs that been out in the public for a while, they start to deteriorate. What is the durability of this? You know, I am not sure exactly about how long they would last, but we were told they would last, these were about as solid as they can be, the aluminium, and then they have been etched and finished with a black, matte finish. So is the finish integral to the aluminum, or is it a paint type finish that's applied? Is it like anodized aluminum? I think it must be a finish on top, because when it's in gray or etched or engraved, it goes down to the aluminum color. I see. Yeah. That's, I think they're supposed to last very long time. Could you speak to that, Julie? I don't know, but I mean, we are working with a professional installer who's done these types of things so we can check with her. But I would imagine they're built for durability in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, I would just check because I hate to see, you know, four, five, six years from now, they all start peeling and look terrible. I really like the font and I like the design they look great yeah they're nice and clean yeah you can check about the materials I think unless there's any other questions on the signage we're gonna I'm just doing update on the scholarship program which is the annual that was discussed last spring as well. Yeah, I'd love to tell you more about the scholarship or so proud of this. First, I want to say a big thank you for supporting it and not only from our board, but Aspen School System, the staff, the counselors, constantly telling us how much they appreciate the only visual arts scholarship that they offer they're overly excited about. Just to update, last year we only had three applicants and we chose one. This year we had eight applicants and we interviewed four of them based on our criteria. and there are fields of the four included sports photography, graphic design, interior design, animation, and someone who wanted to integrate art into their STEM studies. Three out of the four applicants we interviewed are part of the IBR program and one is a golden key award winner. Golden key is an international school award program recognizing excellence in art and literature. The person we chose is going to an accredited and very well-respected college of art and design. All four of these applicants were females but I'll say she is extremely responsible student. She has two jobs besides going to high school and also is devoted to art and spends many hours in the art room. We not only interviewed the students, but we talked with the art department. So we had their sense of who they were, because we only read from a computer screen, and then we interview. I'm not mentioning our name only because there's a song voting, and they like to surprise these students, but we'll get you that name soon. We're a list that will present our award. The three that we didn't choose of the four we interviewed, we were so impressed with them that we decided to write them personal notes. This school has a program called the Red Envelope Day. It's a tradition that I asked in high school. And the family and friends and anybody who wants to just encourage these kids and support them. So we wrote very nice little notes to each and personalized how much we love their work. The other thing, oh, I was just going to say that if possible, we'd like to highlight our applicant or our recipient. At one of our events, we haven't just okayed this with the board yet, but maybe at Plenary or someplace and we emphasize that this is our person. So, unless there's questions, I just want to say a big thank you again, and hope that we can continue the program. What's your guys? It was great. Oh, and this is her art. I'm so sorry. Oh, let me real quickly show you the art again. I'm so sorry. The one that won the award is the last one on the right. It's called Time Table of Eyes. I mean, she wrote little scenarios about each of these, so I'll quickly tell you. The first one, me and my brother sitting at our right table wanted to capture the nostalgia of surrealism, the undefined shapes and blocky colors are lightly inspired by impressionism adding to the ideas that the memory or dream is blurred. That's very sophisticated. The next one, still life, she wanted to have a theme of emanating. The ballet, slipper, boxing glove, and wooden hem represent represent all the hobby someone might have and books represent knowledge and the woodroom can represent growth in life. And then the winner of the award is she likes taking the bus home and just observing her environment around her. The narrow subway car represents what it feels like to zone out. So I mean you could get a sense of who she is from this art and we don't need a meter. Thank you guys. In the second year it seems very successful so thank you. It's wonderful. A couple more quick updates. You know and love the mama bear and the cubs. We do have them installed last fall, but we have still a landscaping project coming up this spring summer to provide some natural grasses and create sort of a border around them so they look more like in their natural environment and there would be some shifting of the mound to kind of even it out and make it more natural. You can kind of see some renderings there of what is being proposed. So just wanted to update you that is still taking place. And then last, I think this is our last project is also completed. You've probably seen some of these for this part of this photography project that's at the bus stops and in the Snowmass Center featuring local artists and cross-promoting different seasons and different parts of Snowmass throughout the village. So that is done and this just represents all the projects we just talked about the budget still remaining which total 73,781 out of the available saw budget of 17178,000. So that leaves a remaining budget of $104,961. Any questions on budget or any of the other projects? You guys have been taking on a lot of projects. And I think it's just really exciting to see. So thank you. And be excited for the summer For the plan air. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for coming Okay We are now going to shift to the connecting the village nodes update. And we have Anne and Mike. Sam, are you coming up to? Yeah, we'd love to have you. Love it. No, we'd love to have you. I mean, I know you're tired. You've been working hard. Oh, he's out there. I'm thinking just an hour ago. Well, on his bike. She was. But I'll say that Sam got a very nice compliment from, I told him, from the We Cycle people that they said that usually when they work with jurisdictions, it's very difficult and not a pleasant experience. And they said it was such a joy to work with Sam and So thank you Evening mayor council This will be a project update on the connecting village nodes project In the 2023 and 2025 goal statement and strategic initiative of the Snowmass Village Council, each year they wanted to improve multimodal connections within the center and increase overall user safety. That was kind of the origination of this project and it is now morphed into a focus on the Snowmass Center and base village connection. And so within the past couple of years we hired DJNA with Bill and Dayin who are online. And we've been working through improvement design in these areas. We started with a existing conditions report that has been reviewed by the council. We moved into an alternatives memo. That was based on some project meetings with stakeholders, including council. That looked at foundational improvements, street level pedestrian vehicle improvements, as well as a grant investment improvement of we talked about a bridge, some of those larger investment opportunities. The project also completed public outreach in fall 2024. And those results were included in that alternative's memo that we went over in the December 2024 meeting with you guys. Since that December 16th meeting, the project team has moved into this design phase which has involved refining the agreed upon improvements in the detailed construction documents. We want to present some of those conceptual designs here tonight, receive some feedback on some of those improvements and those improvements include foundational pedestrian improvements, way finding improvements as well as Sam will talk about some transit improvements. The pedestrian intersection improvements really focus on Kerns Road, upper Kerns Road, and the Wood and Carriage White intersection. I'll let Bill present those in further detail. These are still conceptual. There will be some finalization, and detailing of all these layouts, signage, all of that coordination with the landowner. So that is still to come. We want to get this back in front of you and get some feedback before we run too far. The way finding that date and we'll touch on will, was developed in an effort to minimize signage. It's all connected. 99% of it's connected to existing signage. It is smaller scale to coordinate with the pedestrians and not vehicle traffic. And Dayton will present on that layout, proposed layout. Again, with feedback, we can move that forward. The transit improvements, same we'll touch on. Just how to increase ridership and service to these two, in between these two nodes, as well as the mall. And before we get into these presentations, it is our goal tonight to gain approval, to move forward with these improvements to go in a construction documents to further those designs and get those either implemented this fall or next year, depending on how long it takes on project development and final plans. With that, I'll pass it over to Bell whole go through the foundational improvements proposed. Yep, thanks Mike and the final step. So, I would like to ask you over the bill to go through the foundational improvements proposed. Thanks, Mike. Good evening, mayor and council. Bill Dilo with DJ and a. Happy to be here this evening and provide you with an overview of the work we've been doing to develop these initial concepts for the foundation foundational improvements. As Mike mentioned, these foundational improvements really build on the work we did as part of the Connecting Village Note Study, and I'll walk through those improvements. And then also, as Mike mentioned, we have Dayton Crites from SE Group. It's our sub-consultant on the project, and he's led the development of the WayF way finding plan. We're really excited to share that with you as well. So the proposed foundational improvements really focus on enhancing the primary pedestrian connections between the base village and snowmass center. And that also includes the existing raft of bus stop along brush Creek Road just west of the roundabout. and the intersection there between brush Creek Road and Wood Road. So we're helping people not only travel between base village and the center but also from that transit stop primarily over to the base village. As you have employees and visitors that make that connection over to base village via transit. The proposed wayfinding concept really supplements and enhances these connectivity improvements again focusing on that primary connection between the base village and Stomass Center. So this graphic highlights the two primary project locations that are proposed for advancement and to and construction location one shown in purple includes a series of improvements along upper current enhancing connectivity to snowmass center. and then location three shown in the green really focuses in on the carriageway and wood road intersection Identifying improvements to enhance wayfinding as well as safety for crossing the street for pedestrians in this location. We've also identified a series of potential improvements focused on calming traffic at this intersection, vehicle traffic, kind of directing drivers better in terms of how to negotiate and navigate the roundabout and then to be better aware of pedestrians that may be present within the intersection. The next couple of graphics here will highlight conceptually some of the improvements that we're looking at in each of these locations. Here in location one, we have a series of signing, striping, and flexible baller type improvements that are proposed along the north side of upper currents. These improvements are really focused on creating a defined pedestrian pathway from where the existing sidewalk ends at the entrance to town hall over to the Snowmass center building. We've focused on proposing lower cost, easy to implement and temporary style improvements, recognizing that the center is proposed to redevelopment and so these improvements may not be in for a significantly long period of time. It may only be a few years. So we didn't want to focus too much on constructing improvements that would be potentially removed in the future. But these improvements while temporary and lower cost in nature, we think they can be really effective at one directing people where to walk and then to making drivers aware of where people would be walking and more aware and making that connection safer. The other improvement is a new sidewalk along the east side of uppercurns, connecting from the existing terminus where the other crosswalk is, north of the intersection with brush Creek Road, and extending to the north side of the gas station, making a connection with the trail pathway that exists on the north side of the gas station and then providing additional connectivity up to snowmass center as well. In location three, we have a series of different improvements that are proposed, really focusing in on the three crosswalks that are present here in the existing condition and proposing either improved striping or colored concrete to make these crosswalks stand out better. One, to make these crosswalks more visible to drivers and make them aware of the potential for pedestrians to be present in these locations. And then number two is to make them more visible to pedestrians. One of the key items we noticed at this intersection and developing the planning study and the alternatives is a lot of pedestrians cross in different locations at this intersection. It's not really clear where the crosswalk is, where they should be crossing. And so these improvements are designed to help guide pedestrians to cross in the location that will be the safest for them to cross. Two of these crossings have proposed rectangular rapid flashing beacons or RRFBs. That's the crossing here on the west on carriageway and then the crossing of the North leg of the intersection on the bridge on wood road. these would be similar installations to the RRFB that's in place along Brush Creek Road at the roundabout. Again, enhancing the visibility for pedestrians and really highlighting two drivers when a pedestrian is present within the crosswalk. The other improvements that are shown here include striping and then potential changes to the medians in this location to better channelize vehicle traffic, make it clear to drivers how they are supposed to navigate around and about and help to calm traffic within the intersection so that it is a safer environment for pedestrians. We'll also be looking at the existing yield signage for drivers at the intersection and looking for ways to enhance the visibility of that signage for drivers so that they do recognize when they need to yield at the intersection. There were some additional improvements from the original connected connecting village note study that we did also evaluate for potential inclusion in the design and construction phase. At this stage, these three improvements include striping and signage improvements that would direct people traveling from snowmess center to the wood bridge and using that bridge and separated crossing to cross brush Creek Road. Potential improvements along carriageway near the village Shuttlestop, installing a median refuge and an RRFB in this location for that crossing, and then improving the crosswalk along Wood Road near the Snowmass clinic, potentially with a raised crosswalk. Each of these three locations provide good connectivity, but they're not located along the primary connection between the center and base village. And so they're proposed to be considered as part of a future phase of improvements and not part of this phase one level of improvement for design and construction. I'll now turn the presentation over to Dayton and it'll provide a quick overview on the way-finding concept plan. Thank you, Bill. Hello, Council. My name's Dayton Greitz and I've been pleased to support Bill with this process. What you see in front of us is the concept sign plan here. And I think like Mike introduced, well, I think we have a key philosophy here is that the solution to putting more signs and is not to put more posts in the ground, right? There's enough chatter out there visually that we wanted to keep this really simple, but we wondered how can we do that and still make it effective. And so what you see in front of you is really kind of the suite of proposals that would be installed and we'll get to another slide where we'll show you where. Before we do that, I kind of want to point out that what we propose here is that you're seeing illustrations of what you have in place already. The single post signs on your left, you're adjusting lamp post structures in the center, double post signs that surround a lot of the roundabouts on your right, and then a wall mount system that's not any specific wall, but I think in numerous places, we're looking at bus stops and existing walls to place orientation maps and you are here maps. So yes, these are all new signs, but the only ones that you'll see that are new is we have a single, I think a single post proposed new and I'll talk about that in a moment. The other thing that we thought about this design that we could help sort of communicate on a different level than all the, you know, the thing we found is that a lot of the signage works well and it's very well thought out, but it speaks to vehicles, it speaks to drivers, it doesn't really speak to someone walking between the base and the village. And so we thought the simplest thing to do is stay with your signage design that you have, keep a lot of the fonts and the design similar, but invert them. And so you'll see on those bottom three examples, the pedestrian facing signage is intent to have a pedestrian symbol and invert the color so that the light colored text becomes the background and that dark brown that you know your signs all have becomes the main text. So that's our quick layout. Bill, why don't you jump to the next slide and I'll show folks where it is. So here, here's the layout map of what we're proposing. And to decode all this for you, I'll simply say that like I said, there's a single bright blue one towards the top and that's the one new post we're recommending installing. Let's say we've just taken a bus to Snowmass Center, right? And we get off the transit stop there. At the transit stops, we are proposing, that's where we're proposing these wayfinding maps. So you are here location, a contextual overview map that would probably be very similar to what you're looking at on the screen here, possibly a little bit bigger, and we'll start going to work those details out. But you have a context map there, and that's those square indicators there. Then you'd look west, and you see that new sign pointing you towards the sidewalk on Kerns Road. As you follow that down towards the intersection, that bus stop that's heavily used on brush creek road would also have an orientation map, but looking across towards the base village, you'd see on either side of the road additions to a land post or additions to an existing side post that indicate the pedestrian And you'd follow that down to the roundabout of Woods Road and looking up across the stairs up into the village. That's where you'd see the series of continued pedestrian markers all the way up to a wall mount at the entrance to one snowmass. And then we continue this marking symbology She both to have an orientation map within the base village, posted up to an existing building, and then also to the transit stop off to the west there on carriage way. So that's a really quick overview. Just kind of wanted to narrate that. We also called out in this signage that we don't think it's part of the pedestrian package that there's value in looking at updating Kern's road sign to the same task, no mass billhead standards that exist elsewhere. That's often kind of a misturn as you come into town. But that's the quick highlight. I can pause there Bill. I don't know if you wanted to take in the rest of this presentation, and then we can probably go to questions. Yep, we just have one more slide, which is just to highlight the timeline which Mike had mentioned in his intro and introduction. So we're here in May, presenting these concepts for council review and approval to proceed into the design phase we plan to conduct that and complete that here in the summer of this year. A lot of the way-finding signage likely can be implemented later this year mostly involves fabrication of the signs and then as Dayton has highlighted installing those as part of either on existing sign poles or land posts. So very simple installation and then a target potentially this year or likely in the spring of 2026 probably moving into the implementation construction of the foundational improvements, those pedestrian level improvements that I provided the overview of along upper curbs and a carriageway in Wood Road. And with that, that concludes date and my presentations. I think we'll be turning it over to Sam to talk on the transit side. Do you guys wanna jump into questions on what you've been presented then we can jump over to Sam? Yeah, I think that would be probably helpful. I know I have a bunch of questions, but I want to start on the foundational improvements. Can we put the site plans up? Yeah, but I'll keep it a site plans up please. Sure can. Thank you. Yeah. What can you explain me the need to build a new sidewalk on upper currents where I have the beautiful sidewalk there. I can't people just, it's not that busy. Why can't people cross the street? There aren't that many cars on there. You mean on the gas station side. Yeah. Because people for whatever reason do not go on that they they will walk on the street. I've seen it a million times. It's the fun. What she said. I mean, it's hard to explain. I mean, logic would tell you to go across the street and get on the sidewalk. But I'm telling you, people don't do it. What's that say, what kind of cost? Yeah. 60, 70,000? I think it's around 70,000 dollars. How much? to go across the street and get on the sidewalk, but I'm telling you, people don't do it. What's that sidewalk going to cost? Yeah. 60, 70,000? Yeah, around $70,000. How much? 70,000? I don't know. And this I have to be a remission built with the redevelopment of the center is at a permanent fixture. That one. It'll be permanent. Yeah. all portion at the tie-in would have to be re-graded but minor adjustments. Okay, can we go to the other intersection? First, I mean, the elephant in the room is that little roundabout doesn't work. Very few drivers acknowledge it, and it causes all kinds of problems. I mean, do we still think that's the right traffic solution versus just a yield sign? Because nobody knows what to do there. And then when you're there, you don't know if the other guy's going to do the right thing or the wrong thing. The improvement when that roundabout went in from when it wasn't there is a million percent. Yeah, but before it was a stop sign or was it? It was everything. When it was like level of service like D, right? The only control was coming down carriageway, and you're right, the level of service D, it also required police enforcement to control the intersection. When there is high traffic, it alternates and it works very efficiently. When there is not as high a traffic, is when you don't have as much of the compliance. But this solution that's being proposed here helps get that compliance in all the time. So what's missing is that downhill leg on wood road is you're not seeing that yield, as well as the pavement markings are worn away and it's just all those enhancements that make it more defined. And why isn't it raised? Like why isn't the? Because it's snow melted. So it is raised slightly, but we had to deal with a certain amount of depth of that raising of it and couldn't do a massive amount of raising of it because the wheel tracking over it as well as the thermal needing to be able to snowmelt that area. And having a track sheet is sort of a track set to go over it, right? It does exactly what it's supposed to do. I mean having sat here when we did it, we called it Bob's Roundabout because it was circus that really pushed for this thing. Yes, it was a horrible level of service at that intersection and we were trying to improve it. And I mean, the idea isn't as much about like everyone understanding exactly, it's not like the other roundabout. The idea is that it makes, everyone slow down and it kind of gives people a minute to get out into the intersection and it just keeps the flow. Well, these modifications improve people using the roundabout properly. It'll. That is the goal of the vehicle adjustments. And I think there's a word there about properly. It's meant to be drove over just so everybody understands it. What's it? You're meant to drive over it. You're meant to drive over it. You don't go around it like a regular round. You can go around it. There's that, but it's meant to drive over it as well. But yes, as far as the controls going into the intersection, that is what this is helping enforce. Okay. And as far as like traffic calming goes, is there, I've had a lot of scary encounters at this intersection. Is there potential to put in, like, I don't know, some sort of raised something to get people to slow down, or is that the same problem? If you had a speed bump, would it... So, the problem with the snow melt as well, is snow melt. There's some of the things presented here we've got further refining to do. This concrete colored part part where the crosswalks are we have to talk through that because the fact is that is snow melted. You can see the concrete line where it says wood road right at the end of road it's the changes from a gray to a black that's where you're yep right there thank you. And then on the other side. Oop. Oop. Ha. That's okay. On the bridge side, there's a line there as well. That's the limits of the snowmelt system. And so we have to watch what we can do as far as depth wise of the surface. As far as painting, treatments, the epoxy type of things, you know, we put in those medians a couple of years back, that's a different type of surface, but we were okay with those being raised somewhat because we were okay with snow stacking there, because it, as you know, when you put some of those elements in, it slows people down. So yeah. So crosswalks wise raised crosswalks, I'm going to say it's not going to work because it's adding more service and then it's plowing. We're not meant to plow that, that wears down the service that's not the scope of that area. And we believe that increasing the visual signage for vehicles will slow people down. They will know to yield more so than they do now. You know when you're coming down Wood Road that yield sign is on the other side of the sidewalk. It's eight feet from the edge of the road. No one's looking at it. The geometry of those center medians will be altered to help slow down vehicles entering the intersection as well. So we do believe that these changes will decrease vehicle speeds through the intersection. OK. One of our questions I have about this is more bike access, especially given that we just have are now introducing even more bikes. And I think when I utilize this, I come on the brush creek bike path and then it kind of dumps you just on to the road. And so if you're trying to get to Bees Village to go park your recycle, I don't know where the new recycle station is or the road is straight. It's in the parking lot. Yeah, it's in the time to parking far drive. It's right where that arrow in the pedestrian walking to your left bell right there. Right those parking stalls. Okay, so that's actually better access. Like for me to drop my kids off at a tree house, I'm now in the middle of like carriageway, like trying to navigate carriageway to then get into tree house, it's pretty funky. So that's just a comment that like I think looking at bicycle access to this area in general, it's great that the wee cycle is better thought through, but the bicycle access is pretty funky to base village. So Bill, can you go to the plan that shows the five options or the next phase options? So you'll see there on future improvement number four. That's on carriageway. So when you're talking about is thank you. Yeah, so when you come underneath the bridge You would then do that switch back and you could continue up to Tamrock and come out right there and then continue up the sidewalk Or in the road whatever you're comfortable with okay, and then use that crossing Okay, so there's two spots one to the tree house and or back to where we were looking at the mini. There's that crosswalk there and it is a little bit of a weird angle because of the slopes like how that comes up at the lower roundabout. You know what I'm talking about? Bill can you go back to the image that shows the thank you. So you see right there it says RRFB right below that there's a little bit of concrete section Uh-huh. It is kind of a walkie turn But you we can look at like if we could soften that radius or something, but it's It's Steep there so that was part of the issue is we couldn't cut the corner so much right where that yellow square is Does that make sense sense? It does, but if you're... I'm still not, it sounds like you guys have it thought through for the future, but I'm still not understanding how you get from here there to like tree house. You would continue up the trail here, and that trail continues up to Tamarock. And then you can cross there. Yes. OK, so that just illustrates that I'm confused by it. This is a way finding problem. Yeah. OK, that makes sense. OK. Well, you have that image up. So the crosswalk that goes from the one side to the base village arrival center that nobody ever, I mean, people just like, I don't understand what the deal is. They don't want to go up a little bit to go on that crosswalk so they cross right in front of the roundabout. So I guess my question is, is, are the rapid flashbeekens going to solve that problem? It will not solve human nature of people taking the shortest path, but it gives them the shortest and safest, not shortest, but safest path. And the reason they're set back is roundabout design is to have that one car between the crosswalk and the intersection. And so there's that, you know, they're coming out of it. You don't want the pedestrian crossing right away as you come out of a roundabout. And so it gives them a safe, stopping distance there, as well as as you go into a roundabout. It gives you that gap of someone sitting at the intersection. So, and then that the other, that area over the bridge where you're showing the crosswalk and the other rapid flash begins. I mean, is it really needed right there? On the wood bridge side, I'm just talking sorry. Yeah. On the bridge side. I only say that because it just feels like it like junks it up a lot. I'll tell you the reason why is when you watch the people getting off the bus, the worker bees don't want to go all the way up and back down to get into the transit center, right, to go to their locations. Oh, I know. They're going to get off here at brush Creek Road and they're going to pile across and they're either going to locations. They're going up to the viceroy in those upper sides or they're coming across and going into Soma Center. And so that is why those two are the vital ones. That other one isn't used barely any on the upper side of wood road. OK. I was going to ask, how many of those rapid flushing beacons are we adding now? How many? Well, there's four right there. Yeah. Four, yeah. I just, I call it two because it's a set. Wait, it's a set. But it's four. Yes. How many? Well, there's four right there. Yeah. There's four, yeah. I just, I call it two because it's a set. Wait, it's a set, okay. But it's four plus two. Yes, so here's my concern about that is I feel like they lose their effectiveness when there's too many of them. And it starts to almost just feel like you're in a construction zone. And if you're not a resident or familiar with this area, this isn't something that's built into your daily routines of understanding what these rapid flash begins do. It just almost feels like you are in sort of a constructiony zone and you're not really tuned into that you need to stop. I'm actually concerned that I just, I watched it almost happen the other night where someone just blasted through one and the pedestrian was not looking cautiously because they'd pushed the button, done their due diligence, the lights are flashing, they felt safe, the car didn't stop at all and they almost got run over by a car. So I just, I don't know that they are as effective sometimes when we overload with them. We've got one on each leg of the roundabout and now we're going to add two more here. I question it. I think it's I agree. There's safety concerns, but I'm not sure that we're adding anything that's going to make it all that much safer, particularly because people are still going to cross where they're going to cross, giving them the crosswalk, maybe a raised crosswalk would help, but I don't know. I think these are rapid flashing beacons. They serve purpose in highly like family areas where you're crossing across the road and it's not a slow down kind of navigational space but, I don't know. I have serious concerns that it adds to the danger as opposed to safety. I really do. Study show that the increased vehicle yield compliance by 70%. So I mean, there's a lot of studies that show that these will improve safety. These are the two main pedestrian movements. I think the implementation of especially the one across carriageway, if people are concerned about safety, I mean, you're still going to get the 19 year old, the younger kids who just cross at an angle. If you're with your family, give me the opportunity to force you into that crosswalk to use the rapid flash because that's where the button is. So it will channelize pedestrians more so than it currently does. Any other one on wood road? If somebody's driving down, coming down from above on wood road and they're coming around, they're not going to see that flashing beacon until they're almost on top of it. And then the pedestrian has this false sense of security and that is my biggest concern. Isn't so much the driver behavior it's the pedestrian's false sense of security. I think it makes it more unsafe for the pedestrian than it does for the driver that may or may not notice it. I think I'll make my point that that's not what the science and the studies show. I mean, and we had the same discussions as the same players. It's an observational experience. It's a small town. It's a case of issue. We had the same debate as Sinclair. And again, you guys just call, but if you want to listen to the traffic engineers, the civil engineers and the design professionals, this is the safest way. And there's nothing unsafe about it. If you want to do less, there's nothing unsafe about less. But this is the safest way to make this happen. Putting in speed bumps would be just a technical difficulty with it adds that thickness. It's not just plumbing. It adds a thickness on the snow melted system. And so once you add that depth in there, the snow can't be melted on the snow melted system. Great. Now on Wood Road is the crosswalk delineated with the stripes. Sorry. There's no striped crosswalk on the bridge right now. There is, it's worn away. All of our striping is worn away right now. Well, that I knew there was a lot. All of it is what? It's worn away because the winter was fine. I understand, but there is a crosswalk there now. There is. Yeah, I just have never seen it. So when we, a couple phasing on this thing of when this mini went in, one of the projects we did was we ground out to have ADA ramps on that woodbridge cross walk. So that was put in 2016. In the memo when it talks about those flashing beacons it refers to them as rectangular. Yeah. So they're going to be different than the ones that we're using. It's that bar is a rectangular rapid flash because it's the same. It's the same. It's just a technical name. OK. OK. It's a lot happening at this space. It's not attractive. I hope it's as so much safer that it's worth the chaotic clutter that it creates. Yeah, I mean I'm okay with one carriage away by finding the flesh and lights and wood bridge. A bit excessive and I don't think somebody coming down on wood bridge driver is going to see it until the last moment because you're coming around a curve. And if they flash long enough then that one's still flashing and you get to the next one, the pedestrians are already there. And it's flashing. And I... We're not proposing one coming down on wood road. We're only proposing it on the bridge. No, it's the bridge. But if you're coming down, yeah, there. But if you're coming down the road from wood on wood road.'s where, this is where you're going to look at it. This way is we're making these improvements so that there's more yield compliance there in the sense of changing the median alignment as well as the sign placement. Right now, like Mike mentioned, that yield sign, it's off to the right on the backside of the guardrail. So it's eight feet away from your driver's line of sight. And so we're looking at how we can improve that so that they also see that. And the yield ahead sign is getting approved. But if there's a driver coming down wood road from above and there's no other car coming into that roundabout, they're just gonna keep going at their speed. I mean, they're yielding, but there's nobody yielding. Continue at their speed. Come around the curve and then see a flashing yellow light. Boom. I mean, to me, the beauty of the flashing yellow lights is you see them well in advance and you can adjust. I think it gives the pedestrian a false sense of security. I mean, there is one element we could do is that pedestrian sign ahead with the red dot by the wood road is similar to St. Clair road. We actually put that as an illuminated one because of the crest of the curve. So when you come up, brush creek road as you're coming to St. Clair road, the crosswalk is over that crest of the curve. We signaled that to a pre-warning sign on that. So when you hit that button on that crosswalk there, it lights the pre-warning that you're coming up that curve and there's going to be a pedestrian over the curve. That is something we could implement. I think I'll work better, but again, it's one more fleshy light at the point. Well, and here's the thing. just for I think it just for like the philosophy and snowmass of not putting up traffic lights was because we didn't want to have traffic lights. And now we're putting sparkling lights everywhere. So I'm not sure that we're not trying to solve something to not do something by just adding additional lights. I don't know. I'm just, you know, other council members have a feeling. I know where I stand on them, so I think we're overusing them. So if, you know, one is necessary, I can get it behind it too, I question. And then I'm curious how many more are proposed to be added with this full project today. Okay, so I guess what I'm hearing is that there's... We're not necessarily debating the one on carriageway but the one on the bridge. I'm not comfortable with the one on the bridge. I'm okay with carriageway. Okay. Susan, do you have any comments on that? Yeah, I mean, I guess I think it will be different when the crosswalks are painted and they're visible, but I would say most cars don't don't don't yield or slow down until they get right to the roundabout, to the intersection as they would a normal roundabout. And so that's why that's where pedestrians want to cross is because that's where the car slow down. And so it sort of seems like it's going to take a lot of I mean I think I think the crosswalks, if the cars see the crosswalks, that will help. I also agree that there, I don't know if there's studies about if there's too many rapid flashing beacons, if motorists just start to ignore them, but it does seem like that would be a lot of beacons and just if I mean I certainly want to make this safe, but if it's possible to reduce the number of those flashing beacons, I think it just would certainly look better. And these are what are the yellow those are going to be raised mediums. No. Yeah, those are the mediums that exist today. Yeah, they are replaced with a red product similar product, but similar to what's in the roundabout right now. Yeah but right now of that product in the middle. It's all it's all black, but we paint the center The roundabout. Yeah, cuz it's had different. Yeah Yeah, so those aren't raised medium They are they are currently raised We're proposing to change the color we're proposing to do the shape to get them more interested in it. Jesus, geometry of it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay. So, I mean, I would propose that we wait on the flashing beacons on the wood road. Let's repaint the stripes and see how, then redo the medians and see if if it's such a problem and if we have to put them in, put them in later. But I'm not an agreement put them in now. I'm okay with the carriageway ones, but not the one-off road road. Is everyone else the concern like, and I'm not saying the beacons are the answer to it, But the concern I have is when I'm turning off of carriageway into the roundabout, the number of massive SUVs or big vans driven by the hotels by young guys who were totally not paying attention and probably in rush, that speed through that. I don't, I'm like still feeling like we're not solving that problem, coming off of what? And I'm not saying that Beacons are the right answer on the bridge, but is that really gonna calm that traffic enough? I think what you're missing there is what we talked about was the changing of the median. Yeah, it will help. Okay, so it said deflection as well as the enhancement and redo of the yield sign and the striping. That yield sign is in the, we've talked about extending it out. We got to, we got to finish those final details because it's buried in the trees. So maybe that will help. I mean, we should maybe, maybe if we move that. The combination and all these elements. But is that stuff still relying too much on driver behavior? I guess that's my question. Or is it like, I'm always a fan of things that make you stuff. Yeah. Which is why I keep asking for the, like, just because of the nature of like the size of the car and who's driving them Which are people that Just may not be paying attention and that that's my that's why I like the idea of like a Speed bump a like and I think what you're saying about the median seems good, but like driver behavior always is of concern to me, especially when you're in that big of a car. I think there's a combination of all the elements that help solve the solution. And you said something, it's really important. You said that when it's busy in there, it works better. That goes back to exactly what I said is when it's download of ski time, that thing works like a dream. Is it okay that it's a little bit more fluid when it's the lower times? Yes, and so that's why we're proposing all those elements to have the whole kid apart. And again, I think it's okay if you guys make a decision that's different. I mean, we're giving you our recommendations and go from there. I think on these kind of things, which it's not pure science, but I think you tweak it a little bit. You see how it works. It doesn't work. You tweak a little bit more. I mean, that's the approach I like rather than just throwing in everything and maybe to need everything. So now that I understand what the change configuration and the median's, the median, I understand it will work better than the change signage. I think it'll work better if it doesn't, then we'll come back and do something else. But I would propose that we go ahead, as you've shown, except without the flashing beacons that would vote. Is everyone in agreement with that? For now. I mean, everyone knows how much I love the flashing beacons. I advocated for them hard, but I mean, I cross a lot, but at the crosswalk on carriageway, and I often get, I have to like pause because I'm nervous that the people coming downhill aren't gonna stop and so I literally I get very nervous so I think it's great there I don't see as many people crossing over the bridge because usually there's so much traffic that I just don't see it a lot but you know I'm willing'm willing to see if the movements were going to, yeah, I'm not opposed to that. But I do think it carriageway, it would make me feel more comfortable and I walk that way a lot. Now, just before we leave this, I want to add another beacon. Do you have, do you guys have a plan that shows the intersection to the north of, you know, Wood Road and Brush Creek? Could you put that on? Because I've had a, not as detailed, I just have this the larger map here. What about the one where it showed where the sidewalk was? Yeah, yeah. How about that? Show the sidewalk. No, it doesn't show that. Bill, you pulled up this the signage plan kind of shows that that way. The signage plan. Maybe a little bit better. Yeah, that's a good one. All right. So it's been point out to be by one of our citizens that let me describe that. At the intersection crossing brush creek on the uphill side of the roundabout. Yeah, thank you. There's a flashing beacon only on the north side by the bus stop and there's not one matching across the street There is coming south you mean up there So you're saying there's one there's one on both sides of that crossing Yeah, what's been told to that there isn't, and when this guy comes driving by going uphill, if there's a bus there, he doesn't see the flashing beacon. So that's why there is, but that's why they're double-sided. And so if there is a bus parked in the bus stop, you can still see it on the other side. He said, I asked him, he said it wasn't there, but it is there. Yeah, I pressed it many times. And he also a lot of people don't push the button. Is the button? Yeah. Well, again, you can't make the button. I mean, is it noticeable? I can only do so much. It's when I roll down my window when you're pressing the button. Who wants to all gate so when you press the button it lifts up. Right, exactly. Right, exactly. But no it is. I really do so much. It's when I roll down my window and yell, press the button. It won't stall gates, so when you press the button, it lifts up. Right, exactly. It's OK. But no, it is there. It is there. OK. It is there. I mean, the last time I checked and less somebody stole it. I'm sorry. And I don't want to rewind back to the, But on foundational, when we Tom brought up the sidewalk, I just, I want to really understand that sidewalk just one more time, just not because we think people still walk up the road. But. up the sidewalk. I just I want to really understand that sidewalk just one more time. Just not because we think people still walk up the road, but do we truly believe that that is an essential need just because people are choosing not to use a sidewalk? I mean, I live on a street that has a sidewalk on one side of the road and one side without and people still choose to walk on the road. Is that something we need to address everywhere because people might choose or not to use the sidewalk. I mean do we just put them in because You have the option on one side of the road you need to have it on the other side I I question it if others feel strongly that we should have it I'm not gonna dig my heels in in on it but I just want to pose that question one more time. Well is it so important just because people are making bad choices? I think I see it all the time and I'm like I don't understand why they just don't go walk on the sidewalk but that that's besides point. But I think also remember we're putting, hopefully putting in all that housing. And I think the more people that are there, the more say the more units there and maybe a hundred units there. That would be, I'm just, I'm thinking more future thinking. I'm comfortable with talking to you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because I feel like it's more of the line of sight, like people are just trying to get to the center. And so, you know, they're almost as likely to cross through the conical station and just go along the road back behind there. But if we give them a sidewalk, then there's three ways to get there, I guess. I also think when you, if you're coming from like, tasteers and you're going along, it's also hard to see people when they're walking up on the road until you're like right there. And so when there's a sidewalk, I mean, you know, it sort of delineates, that's where the pedestrians are going. It's a $70,000 sidewalk though, so. Is it? just takes one kid to get hit. I guess. I mean, then you'd have to make the argument that sidewalks should be everywhere but I I don't think that we want to go there in snowmess so well I mean I'm happy to talk about it and hear what others have to say I'm just putting it out there doubles advocate once more I feel feel like it's unnecessary and expensive but Susan you have any thoughts on the sidewalk? I'm a minimalist I guess I think if it's because it will stay there for the new development at the center I feel like that's probably a good investment. So that made me feel better about it. And probably will be necessary if there's housing above and all of that that there's just going to be more people walking on either side of the red. Any other?. Council if I may real briefly. Yeah, I've been in a lot of these conversations about, you know, the cost of sidewalk in, you know, in a rural community. And I just want to point out that the original goal of this project, Connective Village Nodes, was to bring these two places that are really close in an easy walking distance together to reduce traffic. And if you make walking less comfortable and less convenient because in order to do the safe walking route, you have to look both ways across a busy street. You're going to have less people walking. And I think if the goals of the community is to invest in an infrastructure that makes walking an attractive option, dual-sided sidewalks is the same as a dual-sided street for cars, no one's debating whether you're gonna put on two lanes for cars. So I would just say that in the interest of promoting walking as a viable mode, I think this is why we're proposing a dual-sided sidewalk even when one already exists. I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm comfortable with those answers. I just really wanted to explore it deeper. Thank you. I think for entertaining me. Yeah, I think that's fair. And I think that I come not to say that it should be either or but there's a few places in snowmast that are sorely missing sidewalk on either side of the road or a bike path. And there's not a lot of that, but I think adding to here, I'm all about extra pedestrian access and that's a really great point that the easier it is, the more likely people are to walk from point A to point B. I would just encourage us to make sure that all the places that need it have it in snowmass. With the foundational improvements and the alternative is not considered when you were We're talking about the Woodbridge Snowmass connector. Am I in the right? Think this location? Where is your umbrella? A red, red location. But that's the path that comes up. That's the path that you walk on that comes up and dumps you out right on curtains and then you walk walk up. Go jump right. Correct. Correct. Um, well, I just, in the, when was it? I guess like at the end of fall, I walked with Dave. We were walking up, um, you know, we did a whole loop. And that one section right before you get to Kerns has that water that goes through it. And it gets really icy and really dangerous. So and you know I mean there are people that live on that side that walk that all the time and so I'm just wondering like if there's anything that can be done about that because I know it was on this alternative is not considered but I do think that section seems to be dangerous. When we started this project back to what Dayton mentioned is the vision was connected in the nodes, and so that's why that's a future. It is projected to be improved to the summer center. There is groundwater that comes out there, so we can look at it as far as a trail. Like is there any kind of trench drain to put in there? I've been watching as well. And I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. So there is proposed future improvements. It's not that we're saying, no, we don't see something. No, I know. I'm just like, you know, the Stump Mask Center, it could be another what? Five years. five years or so. You feel at all. If at all. And I do think it's really just like the water coming out and affecting the trail which makes it not user friendly if someone's worried about hitting a nice patch and flying. So anyways. We can certainly investigate it as part of this year's melt and ranch obviously will be be in the area. Yeah, if that goes well and we have some budget, we can certainly look at it. Okay, thanks in that area. Okay. Does anyone have any other questions on the foundation improvements before we go to the way fine day? What did you have anything? I have just,, oh I guess mine's about Wayfinder. So, okay. Any other on the Foundationals? Okay. Okay, and Wayfinder, go ahead Susan. I just wanted to make sure that it was really clear that you can go up those stairs to one snowmass and that that's the entrance. I feel like that's where people kind of get lost that that's actually where you need to go to get to base village and I know that there's plan for a sign over the doors which is great but I but I just feel like the stairs would also be a good place for some kind of directional signage. So there will be a sign at both the bottom and the top of the stairs directing pedestrians to utilize those. Yeah, great. Anything else, Susan? I don't think so. No. Okay. Other questions on the way finding. Redd-d-d-do you have anything? Um... I mean, I can ask a couple questions I had. Yeah, go ahead, let's... On those overview maps that you talk about... Are they... like, what's the level of detail? Like, did they get outdated? Are they easy to replace? I'm just kind of curious. It was, are they more general? Which ones the proposed ones? The ones that are like on the wall, like that one on the wall. Oh, so we're still talking about that one and whether it makes sense or not. Okay. And that would be something that yeah, you've seen it before in base village where they're off the date within a ski season. So I would say we're still talking about that one. And we can certainly look at options that it was more of a case and it was just a poster board hung on On attack board something like that that was locked and so only our transportation department had access to it And we could change it easily, you know if that's concerned about that if we decide to move forward with it Okay, so you're still kind of thinking about things. Yeah, okay and then I Like the I mean mean I do think the little white additions, they stand out and it makes sense and you see the little person and you're, you know, you're like, okay, I see the person on the little white thing and I understand where to go. But how does it work on like property we don't own, like base village and snowmass. We talked to them. We would go through because that's why we're me stakeholders on how this all works. Okay, and I know and you know we got this email from Pat Keifer and she was talking about the signage and in around the rival center to the ski mountain snowmass center it's gonna be at the end end of the stairs. But I still think when you go in there, it's confusing to people. And I mean, if you were in there at all this season, you would know that the escalator was out almost the entire season. Literally. And that to me was just, it was so bad because either people are going up and down those stairs with the ski boots and the skis and the skis are banging the walls, the elevator is small and I know this isn't like wide way finding necessarily but just in terms of connecting the nodes and to, it's so problematic. I mean that escalators out and- Who is responsible for that escalator? The metro district. I mean it was out all season. All season. I think it was on at once, like early on. And so, I mean the way finding once you get in there, I think is the thing, but also just figuring out some way, easy way for people to get up there without climbing the stairs and the elevator just doesn't have a lot of capacity. Do you know why it wasn't repaired through the season? I know they're very well aware of it. And I said it was a Metro district. It could have been the master association, but it's one of those two organizations that controls it. And this is the foundational issue that we've been dealing with forever. And so we required the staircase. We required the speed up of the existing elevator. We tried our best when this project got re-approved to get a second elevator or a second escalator in there. That didn't happen for a number of reasons. And so if the next plan is to work with them, could that be an elevator case at some point? Who knows? But we know everybody knows that it's an ongoing issue. And we know that by bringing people into that doorway, this is going to be an ongoing issue. But this is still, we think the best, easiest, most effective way to get people from the center to base fields. Okay. Without the escalators and all those other kind of things we looked at before. Yeah, it's a problem. And then also when people are getting off the raft of us at brush creek, you know, on the town side and then they cross over and all that stuff. And I think Pat and her email was referring to people that got off there, like not knowing that they were supposed to stay on and go somewhere else. And this kind of goes back to like questions I've asked at RAF2, is like, why can't there be better info signage on the buses or an automated thing that says, you know, to get to the children's tree house or ski lessons or whatever, stay on the bus to this location? I mean, I just think that, you know, people get off because they don't know, they think they're there. They see the snowmast, you know, base village sign. And, you know, so they think they think they've arrived when they haven't. And this has to do with wayfinding, but it also has to do with, you know, maybe talking, I mean, I've asked Rafft or before about the automated things because some drivers are really good at it and some just don't even say it worked. Yeah, and I think it's usually a bigger issue in the mornings when there's a lot of workers that get off and folks will think oh this is the place. Right, it's the opposite. So they follow everybody else and you'll see it. I've talked about it, the bunch of workers get off and then there's a family, cold and their skis looking around. I'm wondering why they got off there. the end. I can speak with raft operations about it and see if they're if what they've looked at, what the possibilities are, it does become a bit cluttered with those audiovisual announcements to add a lot of information to them. But they're, I mean, I have a passport. I'm getting this. Yeah. But it it's not yeah, I know what you're saying but even in the routes that just do the ask and snowmass Even if there was some better signage that said you know to get to the children's center get off at this stop And then they they would at least know to like ask the driver like we're asking one on the the bus. It does say when you arrive at the mall, it does say stay seated for base village, so it is possible that there could be something at that stop that could stay seated for some esquire or something along those lines. Just something that they say. I can talk with raft operations about it and see if and what they've looked at or could do. I know, Dave, did you have a, you have to come up to the microphone if you have a comment on that specific thing. Thank you for letting me comment. So, it's not just the wrap of boxes. I'm sorry, sir. Can you state your name I apologize? So that's mountain lane season 4 combo. Many of the visitors and guests have kids to take the tree house. And they took a look at all the base village and not at the tree house, which is much easier for them. Drivers never say anything. So it's not just a wreck, the plus problem, it's also a little show of problem. Just there's no signage about it. Drivers don't say anything to me that is easier. At most drivers, people don't realize that you pull the cord and base village and most drivers that I have experienced will announce base village. Anybody want base village and they'll stop. Line drivers are just going through and people line up from all and not wanting to be there. So it's not just about the one I made sure we're all new to that too. Thank you. Thank you. And to add to this conversation, the egress to the buses is also, how should I say this, if you're going back to the bus stop that you were dropped off at, you probably know where you were dropped off. If you got dropped off at the mall and then you're meeting people at base village and then you're trying to find the bus again, I am berystingly, I mean again, I'm like admitting my own way finding problems in this village. I was trying to help my friends figure out where to get back on the bus to Aspen and I was struggling to find it. So getting navigating beast village to figure out where the bosses are, one wouldn't really know unless you were looking really hard to figure out where you get back on the Raptor to go to Aspen. Well you should be an ambassador in the mountain, it helps with your wayfinding. Because you have to know where every bus stop is. I would be constantly sending people in the wrong direction. No, I agree. It is a common question we got. And honestly, people just want to get here. They don't, they're not thinking about how they got here. And which kind of bus they got on or off. Well, they might want to go to like, happy hour at base village, but they arrived at yeah So it's no reason no reason necessarily to go back to the mall depending on what your plans are Do we have any did anyone else have anything's on way finding? About the buses well, I know we're just I think you've done a great job. I really appreciate the minimalist approach and not adding too many more signs to the signage. The more the more confusing it gets. So I would also advocate for if there's any unnecessary signage that you know just becomes a part of the process that you observe. If we can reduce it to fewer signs, take down some marketing posters maybe, just help make it a little less buttered. The more sophisticated signs get you where you want to go without telling you too much information. So less is more unsignage, but I think you've done a good job. And just a bicycle, as we introduce more and more bicycles, just helping people know where to go on our bike paths. I'm sure that'll be evolving, but it may be something we need to watch out for. So just to give a little history on this, in 2008, is when the Wayfinding Sign Program had a really big revamp and came up with the sign programs that are for the roadway signs and they're meant to be getting you going in the direction of things. So that's why you see that three placards are more of the intersections. As you come in the village, the other signs are more of the intersections themselves to get you going in the direction. We used a firm to do those signage and then also the parks recreation and trails use the same firm to do our bike ped signs at the trail markers. So there's consistency in all of the signs. Any other comments on the way finding. Alright, Sam you want to talk about the transit? Before we leave those two topics and we're going to move forward as proposed except for the rapid flash peeking on the bridge. Yeah. We had a we asked for a motion just so we had. Sure. Just coaching me. Get a motion. So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. OK. Now Sam, you can take it away. Yeah. So I was asked to and took a look at some transit improvements for to connect the village nodes. Transit improvements really looked at bus transit improvements more than, you know, Gondel is notwithstanding looking at what could be done from a transit standpoint. So the first thing that I looked at was frequency. So we have a peak time target frequency of about seven minutes or so and the idea and you'll see that in places like Raffta will do it with Thersky buses at peak times. We'll try to hit at least that time if not if not quite a bit more frequent on the up front coming up from town park and the idea of that is that's about the amount of time that Somebody will be willing to go out and wait for a bus without having to know the schedule if it's showing up more than every seven minutes They'll just go out there and expect that the bus is gonna be there Our current frequency during the the middle of the day, so from about eight until six, is approximately every five minutes, going from buses leaving the mall, going through base village, going to the center. So we're actually doing on average a little bit better than that target for for frequency. That said, they do stack. We have a goal of keeping departure times on zeros and fives because they're easy to remember and they stick in somebody's head as opposed to my bus leaves it to and 17 and it becomes a little bit easier to remember from those major departure points, the mall in particular, being the start and the end. So what we end up with is at some points of the day, there's buses every five minutes, or some points of the hour, every five minutes, and then sometimes there's a 10 minute gap. And at one point in the hour, there can be as much as a 15 minute gap. And then on top of that, during the evening, the frequency drops off after six. And that is a time when some people are going out to grab groceries, and they become more like every 10 minutes on average. So something that we could look at doing, and we have looked at doing before, would be staggering some departure time. So just saying, you know what, we want it to have it every five minutes more than we want those easy to remember times in the past and most of the research that I've seen chose you want those are memorable those memorable times. And so I don't know how ideal that is as a alteration, but it would be possible. If there's a bus every five minutes, it doesn't matter when you get it. Well, that would be true if that bus was dedicated to go to those, to just those places. But these buses are all also going somewhere else. So they're just, these are the departures that are going to Woodbridge or to Crestwood or to Snowmass Club, this is just, these are stops on their way and then on their way back. The other thing we can look at doing is extending peak frequency hours. That may mean, the problem with that is it often means less service during the times that we already need it. So it likely means additional routes, additional drivers. Another thing I looked at was stop locations. So the goals for transit stop locations, a little mistype there, is within a quarter mile of where somebody wants to be. A quarter mile is the accepted distance for pedestrian to walk from a bus stop to their destination, more vice versa. Ideally there's's line of sight to your destination that helps pedestrians out a lot. Wayfinding is what we're talking about just before this. And then ideally, pedestrians like to not have to cross any traffic. So at the snowmass center, we have a few stops. Some of them, they all achieve that quarter within a quarter mile. Some of them achieve line of sight. The lower center stop is not great in that you have to cross traffic. And the line of sight isn't great. That said, so my center with the redevelopment will have a new stop that I think is well located is going to be crossing low traffic volumes. And so I think we're pretty good there. Base village, we've discussed how difficult it can be to get into the base village parking garage. The ideal location, dropping people off where they wanna be, picking them up, where they wanna be would be in front of the tree house at the tree house circle. But it's really an impossibility for buses to get in and out of. for buses to get in and out of. The good stuff that people like to use, especially if the things like the escalator aren't working, is the tree house stop. It's at level with base village. You get across pretty easily. And the hope is that with some pedestrian improvements in the future that becomes a safer spot to stop. If we were at some point to have a, which I'll talk about in a future slide, a dedicated node circulator route, we do have the D-bay in base village which is not used for anything currently so we could consider that a dedicated stop. So routing, there's not a lot of different routes to consider between a base village and the center, or even if you include them all. There's really one way to and from that said, if we were looking for something that really focuses on connecting the nodes. So people didn't have to guess which of the buses are leaving, which of the stops there are, that they should be at. All of those, you know, different variables. They want we wanted one bus. We could consider a node circulator route. Bus that just went from the mall to base village to the center and then back to base village and then back to the mall. Is it possible to like, I mean I read what you put in there about the circulator, but is it possible to pilot it? It is, but it was now going full force. We could, but I think that for it to be effective, we have to hit. That that's kind of why I introduced it that way. We have for it to be effective as its own route, it needs to hit those five minute headways, leaving every five departures, every five minutes. Without that, people are going to continue to search for what other bus they could be using and continuing to add to that confusion about where they should be, what bus they should be on, because really they're trying to get there as quickly as possible. So I would hesitate to put in a pilot like that because I'm worried that it would, there would not be a proof of concept only because we didn't do it to the frequency that we would need. Can we drive through it to that frequency? Right. So that's what I'm saying. Is it a pilot if we go full force and just say, because we need people to realize that it's there, we need them to have it at that frequency. And as I state there, we're looking at an additional two buses additional three to four drivers, which either have to come from somewhere else or be an additional cost. you're saying that's about 50 that roughly 50,000 that's I'd say that's is additional three to four drivers, which either have to come from somewhere else or be an additional cost. You're saying that it's about 50,000, roughly 50,000? That's, I'd say that that's low end. Could you just run it in the winter? We could just run it in the winter. Only because like that seems to be the time where, I mean, not that people don't ride the bus in the summer, but it's not as... We could consider just running it in the winter, but I will say I do think $50,000 is probably on the low end of what it would cost us per year. Two for the building a bridge. Could be cheaper than building a bridge, yeah. Maybe not like all the way down the line, but depends on how often you do it. Anyway, the other thing that I looked at was the raft at a base village direct, instead of them going up to them all first, it's something we've always talked about. I can't not mention it when I'm thinking about transit routing. There's just too many things standing in the way of that happening, the biggest of which is in my mind is the land use challenges of agreements to go to the mall first, but also rafta logistically would have a very hard time with that routing Getting to base village and then going up the snowmelt road. So I'm not sure that that's an ideal solution But it would be it would be quite the hill to climb to do that It does it would eliminate the highest volumes of pedestrians crossing between the center and base village, which is why it always comes up and can't go without mentioning. And then, so finally, as was in the memo, right now we're recommending no changes. We have some big changes coming as it is with expanded summer service for demand response. We have the We cycle expansion and we're going to see what that does to transit ridership and may free up some transit routes in the long run. And then the financial challenges of implementing this. I think what I one thing that we will do is as operation staff with the Village Shuttle take a look at what it would take with our current staffing to maybe smooth out some departure times, maybe extend out some hours to get a little bit later into the evening. Those things may be a possibility by just shifting around and being a little creative and possibly creating some split shifts that people hate, but help us out a lot with those later hours. I really like Alyssa's idea of maybe just... What's the... So many. But the one specifically about the winter, really, I mean, I would like to see us plan for this winter to have a node circulator specific dedicated service and spend the money to do it. That would connect all the nodes on every five minutes. You know, and I think it'd just be interesting to try it. I think there's so much demand for that. We've heard from people. And we may never have to build a bridge. You know, bridges are very expensive. You've got to maintain a bridge too. Right? So, um, I, you know, we got time to plan for it. I mean, I would like to further a conversation to discuss it more. See what it really would mean. What do you think, Sam? I think that it's, I mean, it's possible. Staffing has been a concern for a long time. It would, but it would be, I mean, is it something that you're thinking about trying for a month, something you're thinking about for the whole winner? You know, when we talk pilot, I think of a very short term solution. Well, I mean, I think the winner seems to be the busiest time. Can I ask you a question about the number five? Yes. So the number five just goes from the mall to the top and back. It actually, the five and the six are the same bus. So it goes from, it actually starts at the center, goes to the mall, goes to the top of the village, comes back to the mall, becomes the route six, goes to the ridge, and then comes back. I was just asked things, I thought, oh, if the number five was just going up,, maybe we just changed it and made that the node circuit. I just think, you know, perceptually, if you knew there was a boss that went from the center to the wall to base village to the center to the wall to base village. How easy is it for people that are staying here for the condo people to just be like, oh, you on the the circulator and it runs every five minutes. Right boom and you know if you go to base field you stay on through the mall I mean it just I understand all the difficulties making it happen but it sure seems like a sweet solution. I'm my concern would be cost for added ridership are we are we the money wisely? Well, that's why if we could do it, and to do it right, you got to do it for the season. Yes. And you got to do it at five minutes. End of Mayors, a man of March really, right? Yeah. I'd love to put the money in the budget to try it for a year. What about the smaller vehicles that you're piloting this summer? That'd be too small for the number of riders that would be using them. No, but it's a different type of service because this would be a fixer out service, whereas that's a demand response service really, the idea of being further out those we we're we're moving towards smaller vehicles as it is the our next replacement vehicles will be those those van sized vehicles so it is the direction that we're headed those are just we'll just be working on leases for the summer for vehicles but that was part of the reason for the recommendation is that I we do want to see what happens this summer to service and see if there is already some shifts that are coming that we can make that you know maybe the circulator is either that's a real flows into could we lease if we did this pilot for the whole winter season I don't know that we would need to. I think we have the vehicles for. I just want to help Sam for a second. This is a 50-year problem that his team has been working through. He's recommending on purpose we know it's an issue. We know it can be improved. We know it. This is probably not the right time to be doing that. There is nobody that wants to make that service happen more than Sam. and there's a reason the recommendation is, let's get some more data before we go through this other stroke. that. And so there is nobody that wants to make that service happen more than Sam. And he's a reason the recommendation is let's get some more data before we go through this other circulator in there. We're, I mean, the $20,000 for a route would be the lowest possible number ever if we had enough people writing that. And we would have to probably cut other routes. Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, we've got time to plan. Let's think about it, let's discuss it more. And tell us when you have to have a decision by, but let's research it. I mean, I don't know. I'm not hearing a strong reason why not to do it other than cost. And staff. I mean, it's, we have not that. Is that the limit? We didn't go through it. But we didn't go through, we're not trying that. Is that the one we mean? We didn't go through, we're not trying to argue. We want to have happen. The resistance you're hearing from me is like, we are trying to get this happen, but we're trying to get three other things launched right now. And I know that we've only got so much capacity, we don't have an assistant director right now. And I'm just trying to say, we agree. When I hear the council's council members say, hey, let's get this done by November, which we'd have to have basically planned in July to launch in November, there's a lot of timing to that. And so we agree, that's why it's in here, that's why the research is done, I just don't know that it's gonna happen by this November, which is the start of ski season. And that's why we're recommending, let us tackle these couple of things that we just tackled. We loosely, Sam's team's tackled. We're trying to get these things done. We agree. We want to get it there. We're just not sure that the timing's going to happen. I mean, we would have to have that schedule done in two months to get the timing and everything going forward. And so I'm not resisting. I just, I know, but I'm trying to be realistic. And I think, I mean, just to kind of go with that point, I mean at Raffta, when they have issues with staffing a lot and the first things to go are always like the circulators, like the flyer that's supposed to go from the park and ride to highlands. Like that's always the first off the table. So to the to the to cleanse point and to the limiting factor of staffing, we haven't been fully staffed for the service that we want to provide and have historically provided for four years now. We've continually had to make cuts just to get the service that we have on the road and still are filling in with fill and driver. So I do think it would be a I would say short of monumental but it would be a difficult task for us to staff up for it for sure. But the analysis of changing the five or changing the six. I mean, those are things that we absolutely look at. I mean, you're pressed with six. They're just going to never stop. And that's where I'm saying is. But the analysis of changing the five or changing the six. I mean, those are things that we absolutely look at. I mean, press with six. That is going to be number seven. And that's where I'm saying is that there's, I believe that there are shifts within the system that have been sent here or put here and with the information. We'll have from this expanded summer service that we may be able to do some of these things without having to add a ton of service. I mean, if we can say we have buses leaving every five minutes for the center, we've kind of all the way there without adding anything. Circulator-wise or rail-wise. Right. I have two questions, Sam. One has to do with the raft-a-bust stop at the Stonebridge. It seems to me that many times I've been coming down that road and the raft of bus stop at the Stonebridge. Like it seems to me that many times I've been coming down that road and the raft of bus just is stopped and then everything is backed up and you can't go around because the corner is like blind. And like is it causing slower interval times? Is it creating more congestion? Like is it necessary? Because the bus can't get over far enough and then no one can get by and then sometimes it's stopped there for several minutes. I feel like with the topography of that road, I'd be hesitant to take out any bus stops if we wanted people to ride. I mean, walking up that road from Stonebridge or down it and then back up afterwards is difficult. You could take the shuttle up, but so you're suggesting leave it in there for the shuttle but take it out for forever. I'm just saying, I've noticed it more of this winner than other winners where it's just like all of a sudden there's a huge line and I've seen people try to go around it but it's scary because it's blind corner you can't see who's coming up. I would think the shuttle stop is important. Yeah more just the raft. And those buses are bigger and the shuttle pulls over better. I mean you have a you will lose passengers on transfers it's's about five to 10 percent. Depends on where you're going. Is this more of a question than anything? It's not ideal. I don't think I would recommend raft and not stopping there. I just I understand the concern and it is more of a peak time thing. It's when they're sending out those like three or four buses at the same time that are headed direct to different areas. But it's utilized. It really is. Well, this issue ties into the two level. Right. And then we'd be in that situation anyway. Where we'd be making that transfer. And then that area below the tree house that if you're going down carriageway and it looks like a bus stop. Yes. It's not a bus stop. Correct. On the right. It is for the employee shuttle. What? Like the employee shuttle. It seems like it would be ideal for no. It's not large enough for us to get our vehicles all the way off the road. Got it. In fact, it's very enticing for drivers and we have to encourage them not to stop there because as soon as one of them starts stopping there, then they all, then they end up in a situation. But it's the way it looks. It looks like a bus stop. It does. It's just not quite large enough. OK. Questions for a transit? Or for Sam on transit? Anything else? Just back to the node circulator pilot or the question on that. So what does the app achieve? Can someone just look on their phone and be like, I know I'm going to be able to get on a bus that's going to get me where I want to go within five minutes? Because for me, the technology is more of the ticket to success is knowing that I can figure out where I want, where I need to be within five minutes by looking at my phone, not necessarily a reliable bus route. So I'm wondering if there's a way to work with that. And it may already work. I just haven't used it properly, but... Sure, yeah. I'm not going to love my answer to this, but... The Village Shuttle app is not designed to do that. It's designed for you to know which route you're on or if you're on a demand response area where you're gonna request a ride like you would in Uber. The Transit app is designed to do exactly that. The reason I don't love my answer is because you need two apps to utilize a system the way that you're asking. But that will, you can put in where I am, where I'm going and it will tell you a menu of ways for you to get there. And that's different, different buses. It'll now say, we cycle and estimate how long that'll be. So is there some way to just link those together a little bit better? Because I feel like that would solve this issue of expecting frequency if you can just find it on your phone in one place not get confused. So we've been talking about whether or talking with the our app the Vilt Shuttle app about whether we could do some sort of soft integration with transit where would we would direct you towards a transit app and then if you needed our app it it would say, you know, go ahead, connect to this app. Unfortunately, right now there's no good way to say, yeah, you can just go to one place and get all that information. The transit app is designed for routing all the way from your house to where you're going. And the Village Shuttle app really just designed for the build shuttle. And to put in something like a transit app into the app that we have is a huge lift. And more expensive or challenging than potentially adding more routes to this. Well, the circulation. I wouldn't just say it's a huge lift. It's just, I mean, there were two different developers, app developers between the Transit app and the VoodChuttle app is downtowner and the Transit app is, put back in, it's the Transit app. And the Downtown app works like the Transit app or they are the one and the same because they seem to work pretty well. The Downtowner. The downtowner is the same app as the one that we use VillageShot. We just called the VillageShot. We got the same developer. The Transit and the, where it's referred to as mobility as a service, what you're talking about, it's sort of the elephant in the room of Transit Technology is that nobody has quite developed what you're speaking to yet. Transit app is probably about as close as it comes, but there's our service does not integrate like that. Do we still pay a premium to have the transit app? We do. Maybe we can explain what we're doing with transit that other people aren't doing with Well, currently we do we do pay a premium to the transit app. We do. Yeah. Maybe you can explain what we're doing with transit that other people aren't doing with transit app. Well, currently we do pay a premium to the transit app that will give all of our riders the ability to see all routes and all times as opposed to just the next two arrivals into parches. So we actually have taken that step to give better information to our users as far as where they're going when they can get there and all the different options by providing them that it's called Trans-Abroial for free. That's something that TOSV pays energy offense, ins and MS Village, other people don't get trying to achieve what you've got using that technology solution where we pay for it today. Yes, we do. And honestly, I'm for where we're lucky to be coming into some of these technology solutions later on in our evolution because some of our colleagues are at six, seven, eight different technology solutions. I'm happy that we're just the two for now. But yeah, I mean, the long-term goal is to get that mobility as a service solution. It's just, it's not there. I mean, nice if it was like an Uber, like you can like see when you're a bus will arrive. That's what the build shuttle app does. But just for when you're requesting a bus or if you know what route you're getting on. Yeah, but if you don't know anything in your brand new to the town, that's the part I think. That's where you're going. And that's where we. You know, no circulator every five minutes, someone can just say, but if you could just say, like, here's your, but I know you know what I'm trying to say. And so if you put in your route into the village shuttle app and you say, I'm going, I'm here, I'm going there, it will tell you which route that you need to go on. And you can click on that route and it will tell you when the next time the bus is going. route into the village shuttle app and you say, I'm going, I'm here, I'm going there. It will tell you which route that you need to go on and you can click on that route and it will tell you when the next time the bus is going to come. So if you're going to any of our destinations, Woodbridge, Snowmass Club, top of the village, it does exactly what you're talking about. It's not going to do that if you're just going from the mall to base village. it's just gonna give you one route and tell you the next time that one comes up it doesn't give you the whole list. So it's close and that's why I said from the beginning of base village. That's it's just gonna give you one route and tell you the next time that one comes up it doesn't give you the whole list. So it's close and that's why I said from the beginning I was like I'm not gonna love this answer because it's not quite there but it's about that close. Any other questions for Sam? Any other questions for Anna MaMacon connecting the nodes or fell? Nope. All right. Thank you guys so much. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you guys. Okay. Sticking with the theme. We are now going to talk about opportunities to improve pedestrian connectivity and safety. This is a council request, a topic, so we don't have a whole lot of detail about what exactly we want to talk about, so we are prepared to discuss what's on your mind. Britta, do you want to kick it off? Sure, I have some questions more than suggestions. For example, I had a map to show you, but I don't. Here's a small space. Metal Ranch, you know, it comes with a hairpin. There's a dumpster at the end and some's no way to connect if you're a biker or a stroller driver across there to go down to little red. One of my thoughts about families in their little red circulation is if they don't have to cross over Al Creek Road and then back again, it's safer. So is there a way to help create some kind of path? And that was just one space that I, you know, popped into my mind when I was trying to walk it the other day and think, how could you get from point A to point B without crossing over Al cre and back again. If you live on the same side of the valley as the schoolhouse, for example, is there another small path that we could just add in an easement that we already own like that one, for example? And there's a handful of small places like that that I might suggest but I have no idea what that would require or if it's even worth proposing more than one is one significant impact and could you walk me through what it would take to make something like that happen? To connect from metal ranch to little red on Alcreek is is that? No, through. So there used to be a bike path. Then there was just a dirt path. Now there's nothing. You could go around the hairpin at the end of metal ranch. And then go through to now where Sinclair Meadows is. Take the road down in your at Little Red Schoolhouse, instead of having to criss-cross across Al Creek. We need to take that path. If you take the path that goes across from the fire station, that goes to Meta Ranch, pick that up. You can it, and it connects over. And then you would ride down through that whole... Through gamble. Through gamble anyway. Through gamble anyway. Yeah, I'm trying my computer just died on me, sorry. I think to that point, some of the just connectivity things can, if you're a family, if you're trying to get kids places, like making it so you don't necessarily have to do as much writing around, especially in places where there's easier connectivity and just making it safer too. I can think of a handful of places where the connectivity is just not that safe. And it just could be simplified. But then it seems simple when somebody asks me as a community member, could you put a path in here? And I say, I don't know. I don't know how simple that would be. I don't know what kind of process that would take. And I'm curious if you can walk me through, the steps of what it would require. Well, I know when we were taught, when we looked at Little Red, we did talk, we did inquire about putting in a path on the Little Red side, at least to get people to the bus stop. And I know that was a very costly endeavor, is what they were saying. And in this space I'm talking like a few yards. I don't know if we're all on the same page, but I'm talking. So do you want us to talk on the page? I'm gonna take a look. Thank you. Thank you. If it's the area that we think you're talking about, it's private property. Does it cross through private property? Yeah. And who is the private property owner? Yeah. Let's run those Meadow Ranch homes, right? It's the Meadow Ranch. It's. Yeah. Oh, my. I just lost my disaster too. Oh, it's a show the map. All right. It's where I think it is. Meadow Ranch. Each of our common area and then it's Sinclair Vedos. Each of our common area. Well. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if you zoom into the end of that. I've got a road to the where you've got it. Yep. Yeah, so you're missing the property laws. Oh. But it's a metal ranch in their sand. So it would have to be something where they would want to have it themselves and they would need to request it? So you're doing up and above by the bike path, is where you're talking about it. Not in this specific location. There you go. Yeah, there's a man in our front there. So that parcel in between the Sinclair Meadows and the other one is private property. Owned by one of those HOAs or HOA. Oh, it looks like it would be to go across the Meadow Ranch HOA common area in the Sinclair Meadows. So it would be a matter of acquiring an easement for that purpose in the town from those associations, along with, you know, the improvements that would need to be made there. I don't know what the restrictions are in the use of that. So when you talk about process, it's, you gotta go through land use. You need to look at who owns the land, you gotta look at what the the uses are, like Jeff's talking about and figure out. And then you need to go through and look at topography and you need to look at, you know, this are wetlands, all those kind of things to see if it's doable to do projects. This one's a big one. This one's a private property, it's not hard, we can't just. I'm just, but I'm saying. but thank you for answering my question because there's no point in me suggesting a whole bunch of these little things if I The first thing we always look at is who owns land. And then, and then you dive into deeper questions like topography and access and wetlands and use and land use. What is the status of the connection between basically the bike path up to the gamble gamble way. No, just to the right of that. That yeah. There's a lot of you talking about the connection. Yeah, that one right there. Through the gate on Gambleway. So who owns that property? It's private. It's private. That connection at the end of Gambleway is owned by them. That master association, which is Sinclair Meadows H-O-A, sorry, Sinclair H-O-A. They're all kind of named the same thing, so it's confusing. And what I understand was approved as a fire emergency but not approved to be open. To be used. To be used by pedestrians and cyclists or you can use it as pedestrian access or you can walk through but it's not intended for vehicles except for emergency vehicles. I am very paraphrasing reading legal documents from the one time. Well that makes sense because you'd actually have to drive on bike path. You would. Second. Regardless. The car truck would get through there. I think that's the point. But so we couldn't direct people to use that as a public access route to get to say Little Red School out. It is really indirect. Pedestrian. Yeah, it's not. People are going to block it. Pedestrian, we certainly can. Yeah. Pedestrian, you can. Stroller. I think so. It's not really an injury. I think this might be a similar concern to what Bruno was bringing up and it may be a little bit different. But our family lives up above this. We're unable essentially to use public transit from where we live and we have two very young kids. So getting to public transit from where we are is just really hard. The one thing we can do is we can e-bike from our house. But to e-bike from our house, we're hitting, like if you go from Northridge and you try to get to the public access path, there's a bunch of boulders that are like, so when I try to get my kids in their courage, like on to the public access path from Northridge, like I risked that one of my, that I'm one of the the courage will like knock over and it has and my kid has been like stranded sideways in it. And I think I'm just using an example that I use on a daily basis because I'm getting my kids to little red. But I think it's like how much of that kind of stuff can we like improve just a little bit so that especially families that in some places are just like kind of dangerous. Like when I'm trying to access like going down to the snowmass club area like if you're doing the pedestrian crossing there I mean there's multiple pedestrian crossings on Al Creek and I know you guys have plans to try to fix one of them that are just kind of dangerous. Like the one where you turn on the fairway, like you're turning, you're crossing fairway and you're gonna, as you, you're crossing alkreek, as you try to get on the fairway, you're going straight into oncoming traffic, coming off of fairway into you. So like, the general question I'm trying to get at is can we do small micro improvements all over the village to improve experiences on bikes and e-bikes that we're introducing now ensuring that some of these neighborhoods that are really hard to serve by transit, it's going to be great to see how this pilot program goes this summer. But is there a way to do a holistic improvement program that just helps some of those neighborhoods connect a little bit better when they're one option of not getting in their car, might be an e-bike? Yeah. I might speak to that a bit. We have the Hard Surface Trails Project, Annual Project Capital Improvement Program. Next year we're looking at the rest of Mountain Ranch. You know, a lot of that is resurfacing, regrading existing trails. We need to sit down with the Parks Department and kind of create this multi-year outlook. And I think a lot of these improvements would be part of that project. So once we get a prioritization list of connections resurfacing, we can look at and see what we can combination, you know, work annually in combination to get those implemented. And that my other question was going to be how would we determine because without without you like without having snowmast, ton of snowmast staff like go out and like use all of those different nodes like how would we determine I would use your poster board so I mean there's a couple things that I don't want to sound snarky but I think the things that we've put in place we've gotten some great things done and there's been challenges along the way and I think Alistair can speak to this even getting the improvements that we have out there were a lot of challenge and frustration for staff because we do give recommendations and they don't move forward and but now we're making some progress and now I think what you're asking is let's refine those and I totally agree and I think that's maybe the time that we roll our sleeves up again and engage the parks and trails, Sam, Mike and I, and talking about what those improvements are. And part of as we come through the budget process is we talk through what those improvements can be and do some prior statistician. I'll give you an example. That way, finding thing was from 2008 that came through. We're in 2025. We're doing the last one this year, which is the monument sign it divides. So it takes us, unfortunately, some time to get these things done. But we have made great progress in trying to get improvements of safety and pedestrian in the community. 100%. I mean, when I was going back through and reading the connectivity plan, you know, I was because I haven't read it in a long time. And it made me feel really good because I was like, wow, like we have really done a lot of these things. And we started working on those things before you even got the plan approved because it didn't get approved for many years. And so I do, it is, I mean, it's not a great answer, but it is kind of like what Anne's saying. It's like these things just are really slow. And they're not always perfect. And they're not always perfect. And we try to, I mean, the example of that fairway one. Yeah, I know that the push button is probably not the ideal. And you know, we have to go through the engineering analysis of reach distance and all the stuff. And it's not like perfect, perfect, but it is an intersection that at least is better than it once before right so you know six I mean six years ago or seven is a hell no you can't do it so it's hard for us so I get a little emotional I mean I'm a little defensive in some senses because some of these things you go from hell. No, don't touch it Hurry up and get it out of your mouth. It's hard. Well, and I I guess like To clarify some of these things I would assume people like how would you even know like and that was more my question was like I don't know how many people I know like Three little red families that ride down from off of far away and take bikes through the weird rocks. But like it's not that many people. I don't know where it's. The rocket talking, I was at Northridge and in far away, and go back. I want to know it's between Northridge and Foxrun and it's our access to the public trailer. I know exactly. My guess is that's a Foxrun. I mean, we could pull up the property, go up to the top of Northridge, right? But it's more it's more like I wouldn't even expect like people to know these like weird connectivity issues, but it's more like how what would our process be to try to fix some of that? Thank you. And like would we have a could we have a portal where people were, because I know my neighborhood. And far away, I've got some super funky accessibility problems. It's got transit problems. It's got like ability problems. Like Northridge is actually better off than most of that road. But I guess my question is, can we come up with a process to try to improve the perhaps forgotten or less access points? Because in those places, it's oftentimes like, again, we want to encourage people to use the e-bikes. We want to get people out of their cars and maybe citizens report their issues. I don't know. And we have lists. So again, we keep lists, post-tra keeps lists. And so if there's a suggestion, let us know. And what we do is prioritize it. But that rock that you're talking about, I'm going to guess, is on Fox front, HWA property. It was put there to control the access. I just want to make a point here. I don't want sound selfish, but Fox run is not a public road. It is a private road. It's not open to the public purposely. And that's just a fact of life. I mean, we will let people walk on it, but that is as a guest. It's not public. What isn't the access point to the public? Not only connection to the public. Yeah, I mean, go down. Who's got the map right there? Yeah, zoom out. Make it smaller. That point there. OK. So you see the pond. Above the pond. The connection to the bike path. No, not there. Go to the pond. From there to two creeks road drive has a public easement. But the rest of the road is private, and there is no authorization for anybody other than Fox Run residents and guests to use that road. We allow people to use it as guests. But I'm referring to the bike path. She's talking about this time. That corner right there. Well, that bike path, which, yeah I know that there's a the history to it, but but now I mean that bike path could get connected right here without going through the gate. No, it could be connected. But it isn't now. No, it's not. And that's a good example of these micro requests and you know, could we reroute that bike path? But I think for me, the question tonight was just to give you an example so that you could give me what you have, which is feedback on where the process is to. Is there some kind of prioritization list that I can point people to in the community where they can type in these small little suggestions and maybe that becomes part of these bigger processes that you've already got in place and maybe you've already thought about it. But just to continue this dialogue that I get, you know, when I live on a street and people ask me as a council member, why can't you just do this? But can't you just add a strip in here? It's it'll only take an hour. And I like, well, it might take a year. I don't know, but that's the question I'm here to ask. Because there's no way for you to know unless you hear it. Right. And our phones are open. Our email is open. and you're going to have a poster board online people could just, some of them are going to be worthless, but some of them there will be some good things and they should be worth. And we do, we have meetings once a month on these types of topics and I mean you go to the poster board and I mean I think we can definitely, there's dozens of these ideas. This one in particular is on private property and if we just got meant in the last six months, last year or something. So up until, up until a year ago, we would say it was great. But me, if there's this idea or other ideas, if it's on our property or something we've got access to and it's a couple hours, it's not a big deal. But if it's like the other example, the previous one, it's private property. It's a much bigger deal. So it depends. I mean, I didn't realize what look says he was talking about. But that's something that could be negotiated with the Fox1H08. If Town wanted to have a little spur off of the top of that path. It's called the Fox1 Trail. So it came into your road as road as opposed to Community Fox one that I haven't to get through the gate But right, but we have to we have to find out where the right away is not the right away the easement Just these I mean, it's not hard, but we just have to know First you need to know that somebody's concerned about it. That's something we're looking at And that's the part that I'm trying to understand. So you're saying just give Anna call or can we give you a better email? Send it to me. Could we get him all the time? We get dozens of these things. Then we get the people that are working on it. And I know it's a little gray sometimes. We work on infrastructure trails, but we work closely with parks and trails. We work closely with transit to make sure it's all aligned. You know, anytime we work on a project, we make sure all the departments are talking. And that. But we work closely with parks and trails. We work closely with transit to make sure it's all aligned. You know, anytime we work on a project, we make sure all the departments are talking and that they're involved in that process. So, Clitz. So, I'm going to mean, and we can, I mean, it can be ridiculous the other way too, is we got complaints from people. There's too much gravel on the streets, and you know why can't we have to reduce it? You've been, I mean, I mean, we get it in all sorts of ways and if there's something we can address, we do. And if it's know why can't we have to reduce it you have another I mean you've been I mean I mean we get it all sorts of ways and if there's something we can address we do and if it's something we can't address we try to be very clear this is not something we can address because it's private property or you know some of you guys have been copied on the on the nut issue with the water sand district I mean there's we try to be pretty obvious But if it's something we can address and tackle, we certainly can't. But we. But I would say, I mean, the response by both of you, I think, is really good. I mean, when people have issues, I usually just talk and he'll talk to them. And when I would say some of these are more like almost a collaborative issue of how can one side of snowmass village all get to one location and here a bunch of little linked up ways that you could do it and it sounds like what I'm learning tonight is that those kind of plans are already they exist you're already identifying them and working them through how can someone feel like they are not just like talking into a void you know and they say they make their not necessarily complaint but suggestion or you know and then it feels like it just goes to nowhere and it seems simple it obviously nothing is but if it seems simple and then it goes out and then nothing ever happens, it just feels like it's like a general vibe of frustration. I get this a lot. Why can't we just do this, this, and this? And you know, call email flash, but then nothing happens and it feels like it ends. I mean, I'm not saying that, you know, they're expecting it to be built the next day after they email you so I'm suggesting like is there some kind of networking space that feels like there's some progress maybe it's an online portal like here are you know a number of locations that have been identified please contribute to that as an additional suggestion and work on the connectivity plan we did just that. I can see that, yeah. I mean, we, we, we, it was a concerted effort and we're one tenth of the way through that. And so, again, if you guys said, hey, we want to open that up again. If I remember right, that was called a wiki map. I mean, we, it was new technology. The time is 10 years old. I'm sure there's probably way better technology. But there's all sorts of things. But I mean, the number one thing that came out of that, in my opinion, not the number one, A good idea, was the sidewalk, and I'm using that word purposefully, from upper currents up and around, Donia White curve, to, and obviously to Anne's point, that was a hell-know for years, and then we finally got it on the design and it's two years out from design But the council you know approved the the actual the narrowest part we got that that'll be done in the next month or so So we do work on these things and if you guys as a council say hey, we want to reengage on the connectivity and these micro improvements or whatever where that's where this communication is important. Say, these are, here's 10 ideas we've heard. Let us come together and say, if it's simply moving in Iraq, that's 10 minutes. But if it's getting someone's private property, that's considered to be more. But we don't know these things. And so if someone's feeling frustrated, I hope it's not because they've told us and it's ignored. Hopefully they understand what's private property. So you guys got an email today from somebody that wanted to open up one of the trails that restricted the dogs. And it was restricted that way because that was the political, as I recall it, that was the political compromise. This council might want to change it. But I can't read minds. So if you're here and stuff, tell me please. And we can schedule it and figure out what's going on. Well, and also, you know, the poster board, they're open meetings. I mean, anyone can come to those meetings and make a comment to the poster board and say, hey, would you guys, you know, think about this? And that's also a good way too, because that is a citizen board. And they're going to say that's great, but we've got 10 other ideas that are in front of that. I mean, those are kind of, I mean, and that's also a good way to because that is a citizen board. And they're going to say that's great but we've got 10 other ideas that are in front of that. I mean those are kind of, I mean, discussions that get to have that. That's the hard part. It's almost like seeing some progress, seeing some steps towards it. Right. But we don't realize all the progress. It's just like when I went back and reread the connectivity plan. Well, in this tonight, I mean, this alone was eye opening for me and I was grateful to have the opportunity to look through it and see that so much of this has been identified because I've had community members ask me questions about a lot of the things that you've clearly already identified and are working towards. I think as we you know we've talked about putting together a GIS map of these capital improvement plans and having some more transparency about future planning of what's going on, where, when, how, kind of thing. So as we continue to develop that, and we've worked hard to utilize the asset management software we have for paved roads. And so now we can easily prioritize and model different scenarios. We want to move towards the same thing with hard surface trails, not quite there yet. Then you can tell your constituents, you know, it looks this way and online, you know, like we fit it in, or you know, at least we have an understanding of what we're doing and there's some transparency on selection and why things are being prioritized. And we're moving towards that. It's a long process for the pay roads and we're going to go through. I know it had one feature that though, a soft surface trail is way easier to change than a hard surface trail. And so again, if it's a soft surface rock issue, it's different than engineered hard surface trail. And I would point people towards the online, is it a complaint portal? It's just, it's in an email. It's so much easier for us to get a new chart. Sure. Send an email. Do you have a date for the improvement at Meadow and Brush? We have the Rapid Flash Beacons ordered but it's going to be the summertime sometime. You don't make it. Our priority right now is all the striping, crosswalks, and trying to get all that done before Memorial Day weekend. And it's an undertaking. And then we're starting on some of the crack filling. And then the street strippers come in typically the second week of June. It's early so we can get them here. And then also in the email we got from Pat Keefer, she was talking about the pedestrian safety and loading dock concerns at base village. Did you see that in? I read three-fourths of the email. I must say didn't get that far. I mean, she lives down there. So the loading to... Oh! What's up? Yeah, I didn't receive the email. But I can say is that when there is a down elevator or down escalator, people do end up in that loading dock area to use that elevator there, which is also a public elevator. Maybe what she's talking about, I'm sorry. Or was she talking about the trucks? Well, she was talking about the truck, hold on, I'm just going back to her email. I think she was talking here, let me go. Number three, she was talking about the big trucks, but she said adding a sign and carriageway on the existing pedestrian crossing post about the entrance point to the loading dock, and she said they're also like, reluctant to move and sometimes they're blocking like areas and then people are going around. It just makes it difficult if you're a pedestrian. I don't know. I don't know what. Let me reread it. We'll take a look at it. I would just look at it. Yeah. It would be my suggestion. Any other? Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting to see the kind of activity plan again. Can somebody pull it up? Page 22 was interesting of the plan. Can we pull that up? This isn't goal sex. It was about goal sex. It was on in the package Are you going there? If you just go to chosv.com and go to the you gotta go to the hold on go up the last time yeah less agenda item agenda item this one right here oh it is this you're right you're right. Last one. There you go. I'm doing it, I don't know. Do you want to, Tom, start by the question? All right, now it pays 22 of that. And it's aerial of the Al Creek brush creek roundabout and interim design alternatives. Yeah, that's it. You need to make that bigger at all? Okay. So I think Britta had asked for are there interim things could be done at this intersection to make it safer without having gold full-blown build around about. And I had forgotten that they had done this. Do you guys talk about this and why we couldn't do this in the short term? So when this plan was done, it was concepts on Ariel. But it's not a design. It's not a concept of animals to violence. And that led to like the rapid flash beacon being in that location going across right here. Yeah. So the other thing is when we went through looking at this is this steepness when we finally got into survey is this is too steep like this I'm thinking more about the cars So like this yeah, and the other What do you call those wedges? The islands here or the medians. Yeah, the islands of the medians. Yeah, so part of the issue is that there's difference in geometry out there. Like it didn't take into account what we have out in this scenario as well as like this slip line is the concern we looked at is coming around that corner. It doesn't address, you know, the speed of coming at this intersection. Could we put a speed bump in? Yeah. is coming around that corner. It doesn't address the speed of coming at this intersection. Could we put a speed bump in? You're going to give a speed bump, like speed bump. Why not? Could a speed bump on breast creek? Like right between the triangle and the turn on the out creek. Hey, to what I mean, just slow people down. Okay. Why would you see speed bumps installed? It's people are just simply gonna slow down for that to call it hit it and they're gonna accelerate quickly after. And so if you're installing. I'm around about them. Is that different? Is that like, I mean in both in around about they have to slow down to and then they're going to accelerate. So in both cases the acceleration afterwards is not, is it going to be that different? But it's after the pedestrian crossings. I wouldn't recommend a speed bump for many reasons. It's a amount of traffic on there. It's the, you're going to not have favorable responses. The vehicle is going across it. It just is not the type of road that I would do that. The amount of traffic that's on that road, I would not recommend that. And the speed concerns that have been discussed or mean they exist on Alcrete but they're mainly on brushcrete road. This does nothing to slow down vehicles on brushcrete road. We can talk about the slope existing slope of the road in this area. It doesn't work for buses. The big picture. This is the exact same thing I said a few minutes ago. We got to the roundabout after I can't even tell you how many, a dozen council discussions. That's how we got where we are. If this council wants to change course, then you need to tell us. Well, you were specifically asked to a recent meeting to show us interim measures that could make this safer without going full board. The rest of the last meeting was go forth as I recall and I have to go back and read the minutes is go get a CMGC on board and get a timing and numbers for the roundabout going forward and so we're right now putting together a bid to go out and get a CMGC. But without, but before authorizing, the council has an authorized constructing the roundabout. No, we have it. We asked about timing and we wanted to understand that. We also asked if there was anything that could be done in the interim, you, but we kind of went through that and None of this was presented when I asked that question I asked that question and I was told no Well, then I To discover this and I understand this wasn't as far developed But this is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about just big enough This is addressing addressing a lot of the issues, maybe not all of them, but it's just big enough. And it is an option. So what I look at this is the interim and that we've done the interim improvements, meaning the rapid flash beacon, the pedestrian crossing. The pedestrians, but you have nothing for the slowing down theowing down the cars, I assume you put that median in brush creek and you put the islands, it's going to. Move the bus stop. I mean, this is solving a lot of the questions that we have. Car's down and prove the safety of the intersection. But it's not improving the traffic speeds and then in the calming of the traffic, which is what the intersection improvement we've brought forward deals with all those elements, whether it be the bus stop connection, whether it be the pedestrian crossing, whether it be the traffic flow, all of those elements. And so the other thing is this design here was only dealing with how to deal with pedestrian and rapid flash beacons, and that's what it's talking about, like these two things right here. And it's talking about some minor brush bus stops, but it doesn't take into account the topography and what needs to happen with those bus stops. So we talked about that uphill bus lane. This is too steep for the bus stop to just get installed and put in a sidewalk on the back side of it. They can't get going at this slope going up the hill. We have problems right now that bus sometimes blow by that because in the winter conditions, they can't get going so they just miss that stop. And so same thing with this trail connection, I didn't know you didn't want to dive into that one, but it's the same thing. It's like it didn't get fully baked in the sense it was an option to the connectivity plan was to talk about options. It was not fully rendering. So when you look in the back of that it had cost estimations in the back. There were estimates so that I could help us to start moving forward on what the final improvements are. You look at any of those renderings in the CCP. They're all different from what actually got built. Town Park Station, the pedestrian crossing is in a totally different spot when we put that crossing. I understand all that. I mean I saw there's a boy this seems to solve a lot of the traffic issues. But it doesn't solve the left-hand turn coming of Al-Akriek. It doesn't solve the intersection improvement issues. It doesn't solve the fire station issues. The only thing I don't even know what it is solving other than the rapid flash beacon, the pedestrian crossing. That's what the whole connectivity plan was talking about. It wasn't talking about improvement to the intersection itself. It was talking about pedestrian and connectivity for pedestrian and some bicycles. So I'm sorry to be. No, but it was not, you asked that question. It was not like, there's no switch and bait here. This is exactly what that plan was. And it was, I mean, it was more about getting ideas and asking people for preferences on priorities, on what they wanted to have done, you know, for one to ten. 100 to 10. 100 to 10. Yes. And areas that needed improvement, and that was one of the areas which people didn't feel safe crossing. And that truly at the time was what we were trying to nip in the bud with the connectivity plan was safe pedestrian crossings. Now we're sort of at that next level of that and we're talking about the actual intersection. So I think that's why I don't, you know, as well as if you look in this plan, it talks about the roundabout the next step. So it talked about the interim of pedestrian crossing and the concepts there, yes, the concept of a meeting in the middle to have a refuge spot is what's identified there. It talks about where should that pedestrian cross be so it lines up with bus stops. And that further part of the connectivity plan it shows the roundabout. It shows the concept at that time, what that roundabout is. So at the time, we were talking the same thing of like, what can we do incrementally to do improvements, and that's how that got further baked. Well, I tell you one thing that I feel like I was gonna ask actually that's on here, that does help that I think could be done is just painting a very clear right hand turn off of brush creek onto owl creek because I mean traffic is often at upstand still when you're trying to make a left off of the owl creek across traffic because you're not you're hesitating and you're uncertain if they don't indicate with their turn signal it's not clear until the last minute whether they're going to turn or not. I mean and sometimes people take a risk and pull out assuming that they're not going to and other times they wait too long and the traffic builds up behind them because they're very cautious. You're talking about the down. Just that down. So I wonder this summer it does every year. It gets ground out every winter. Sure. And that's the unfortunate. And how far back could that go? It goes. It actually goes that length that turn lane is pretty long. And it's a white line. So you know, it's a certain eight inch white line. Because I just think that's going to help. It is there. I mean, it might not be that. I've not noticed the white line, but I've noticed the turn turns, the turn arrows. There was a raised median extended up brush creek aways, then people might be very clear. And I think they would help significantly for people to make that. You won't make that risky turn or hesitate for too long and the traffic won't have the chance to back up. The cars committed making the turn. That could be a simple thing that could really improve. It's not, there is many factors to it. It is the location of that intersection being further back. It's hard to see even if there is, if you were to have a designated lane there-hmm. You can't see you've all experienced it you can't see past that car even and You know you ask people to push buttons you ask people they should be using their blinker, too But they don't and so it's that's why we're proposing they're on about it. It's a fully The solves a lot of of the issues and the safety aspects. But I mean, you guys, if I recall correctly again, we're going forth, we're getting the contractor, you asked during that other interim, this wouldn't solve much. We've got the analysis. We can tell you what a stop sign does. We know it. You've seen it. You've seen it, plenty of times, we'll be happy to show you with the engineering analysis shows us to do. I would say that you guys know how big of a fan I am of speed bumps. I'm also a fan of anything that will get a car, especially the massive SUVs that we have to slow down. The problem I'm having fully moving forward with the roundabout is that I'm hearing from so many constituents, what about this, what about this, what about these alternatives? And I think when someone asks me, what if we put in the triangles to create turn lanes, what if we changed the grade of the road? Like are there ways that we could avoid the roundabout? And I'm not, I don't have a great answer to these people. Other than, well, I think that they've looked at it and it didn't work as well. And I, but people, we have a pretty split community on this issue. And I think that's where, if we had two alternatives, we were like, hey, the second one doesn't quite solve all the problems, but it's a little bit less of a construction project and it's not another roundabout. At least there would be something that we could be telling the public right now that's It not just like it's a done deal. The only solution we have just solving these safety problems. And the, which is, it's also a traffic problem, but it's also a safety problem because of the fire department, is to do around about. And I think that's where I keep coming back of like feeling like I don't have an answer for people because I logically again not being very uneducated about these things. I think about it. I'm like maybe the grade change would help. Maybe those turn lanes could help. Maybe moving the bike path that goes across our creek to being in a better position could help. But I don't have a fully baked answer to our constituents who are not liking the round of out. I mean, we can do projects and phases at any time. I mean, but there's going to be redoing that they're only solving certain elements. So, for example, the brush creek or the owl creek bust up. Even to just put in that owl creek bust up, it takes all the retaining walls to go around. So I mean, at some point, I don't know Is that an element or it's you're redoing things? I don't know how to explain it. I think the issue is that there are many of us on council who are not committed to the roundabout. But there are many of us that have been sitting here. I understand. And there are many people at committee are not committed. And I think we've been asking to hear if there are any alternates, any other measures they could, not maybe solve all the issues around about could. And we've not seen a cohesive response from staff. And that's the frustration. The frustration that you hear from me right now is until November, that was not the direction. There's been a shift since November, here it. And I will count votes, two, two, one. And it's still not clear to us. And so the last time we brought it to you, we showed you where we were. and the direction we got was go get pricing, go get direction, go understand the impacts, and all that stuff. And if there's alternatives, great. We can show you that, but to show up at a connectivity plan and say, we're not getting what we want. The last time we met and talked about this in a schedule topic, that's, and please tell me if I got my direction wrong, tell me. But what we got was go forth, get a contract and I'm bored and come up with timing. And if there's something we can look at, let us look at it. Yeah. Well, but the accusations, when you're seeing this type of table right now is there's accusations that we're not getting stuff. That's not fair. That's it's not fair. And so if you guys, if there's a direction, show us less, great. And I'm going to put words and answer mouth. Well, do you want the pedestrian connectivity? Because two weeks ago, it was, hey, find a way from Anderson Ranch and get around the bus stop. That's going to take retainables and sidewalks and all that stuff, which is way more than this plan shows. So if you guys as a council say, and here's the components that are important to us, that would be helpful. We are going to continue forth around about. I will say it again, there is no doubt in any professionals' mind that is the best solution. If you're saying great, we don't want the best, we will take something less because best can be defined differently all day long. That's why you guys are elected. But the accusations are hurtful. So please. Well, there's a miscommunication that's good that we talk about it because I know I've asked to see alternate, I know British asked to see alternate, I believe, Cecil's asked to see alternates. That's three. I think in order to make an informed decision, we need to understand those things. We understand the Roundbot is a final best solution to build someday, but maybe that day isn't today. And we just want to have an understanding of what is second best so we can then make an informed decision. That's all we're asking. I can also say that in the last two weeks I have had so many community members come to me saying like what if we did this and this and this like is there any way and I've also had community members say great I love it let's move forward with the roundabout. But there's enough people asking if there's an alternative that I don't feel like I have an answer for them and that's what's lacking. And you call me on Friday and what I owe you and I will get everybody again is the 12 different papers that we will show you and we can show you what a stop sign can do,, what it yields, I can do, what these intersect with the free right does. And you'll see it. You can see the math. And we can answer probably the majority of those questions. And if you guys say we're fine with the free right, we're fine with the stacking going on the left and whatever, then I guess that's you guys can do that. But the math's there. And again, I got the request on Friday afternoon, and I haven't got it yet, so I mean, it's okay. All right. Yeah, and I'd like to just add to that, you know, things have happened since the last meeting, and we had that open house, and it really did open a lot of conversations up. So, you know, this tonight, just coming up, wasn't, you know, some kind of attempt to make any accusations. It's just new information is now circulating in the community. And it begs for some clarity on having this happen to be in the packet, I think. And for me, it's also, when we say one life saved with the roundabout would be worth it well what about one life saved in the meantime when we're debating a hotly debated location that 50% of the community is in favor of 50% isn't we have potential ways to make it better why wouldn't we at least explore anything that could be done without a construction impact on the community in a summer. And if there were any alternatives that could be done quickly to help alleviate any of the tension at this location, I think that would help. So and that's going into the rest of the connectivity conversations that we had tonight. This is just one of many. If there's something that could be done in a simple, easy way, it would be nice to know that it could be accomplished if there was some senses that we wanted. To be clear, implementing this is not a clear and simple thing. I agree. I'm just saying, like, if there was a symbolist. There's re-grading a brush creek. This is multi-million dollar project. Fair enough. I didn't mean to be reproductive and say, this is a simple thing. I mean, elements in here, like, you know, potentially one raised, you know, if there were small things that could be done, if it was as simple as having a raised corridor and a left hand turn that relieved some of the slide offs that happened in the winter there. You know, that's what I'm asking and interested in getting clarity on because the community is not as committed to the roundabout as, you know, any more committed than the five of us are, you know. Well, and the community was not committed to this roundabout either. I mean, there was, it was a it was not a lot of enthusiasm behind it. So I think just in general, it's hard for people to understand the value and the time and the money and all those things. But this does a lot of things. I mean, what you see here, we've done some things. We've put in in the rapid flashers and things like that. But I think this is kind of the next level. But I'm only one person. All right. Okay, any other questions about connectivity safety? Okay. I had three, but oh, go ahead. Signs. I know that's, it's probably a C dot thing, but if we wanted to get back the little red sign that said we love our children, can please slow down, we love our children. It means a C dot thing. It doesn't follow the manual of uniform traffic control devices, MUTC. What was it? It was a sign that used to say it wasn't that long ago that said, we slow down. Please slow down. We love our children. Because we can't make it a school zone, right? Because that would be much more difficult to create a school zone. There's just no indication that there's a school there. It's a sign. I don't know. It's putting up a sign. It's a school that you probably have to put up flashers. Well, and maybe it's not a school zone. Maybe it's just putting that sign that used to be up to say, please slow down. We love our children and gives you enough of a pause to be like, oh, there's a school there. We have one on the side of the fence. that fence that. Again, this is stuff that's super helpful to get in advance and so we can think about it. I mean, it's kind of gotcha. But I'm not asking you to do it. I'm just asking what does it take to get a sign put up? The answer in a public meeting is that's not a legal sign. If you can give us a little bit of time to say, hey, is there a way to find it? Let me, we can work through. When you pop it, when you ask the public works director, who's a civil engineer and the town engineer, can you break the public works director who's a civil engineer in the town of the engineer can you break the MUTCD? No. I think what Bruce saying is there way to put up some sort of sign to recognize the school. Can you give us some detail outside of a public hearing to say here's what there was and here's I mean that's what we asked for last week and I don't know. Okay. Okay. So just to understand is back in 1940 whenever cars were invented before that but they came up with the we needed federal standards for roadways. It came up with the manual of uniform traffic control devices. MUTCD is what the standards are in the United States for signs. And so there's different criteria through there of the science. We follow them. We need to follow them legally. We need to follow them for loss it wise. We need to follow them for regulation. There's regulation. There's guidance. All those kind of things. That is not a recognized sign in our roadways. But is there, I guess, we're asking if we may be looking to, is there some sign? We can look into it. We can put up officially that we'll give people slow down by the school. We can look into it. I'll ask again. Can we? Let us look into it. If you could give us some details of what you're thinking about. All right. What else do you have, brother? That's it. OK. That's it. I thought you said you had three. That's okay. Are you sure? The answer will be no and here's what I saw. Well, it's okay. We need to know. Well, wait a minute. Hold on. This is not about like trying to to howt because you know, you think you're being treated poorly. I mean, we want to actually make progress on these issues. And so there are things that we can't have an answer to right in the public meeting right away. And so, if we can get these on the agenda beforehand, so our staff can research it, we can read about it, and then we can have a discussion, that's how it's productive. And so if you wanna say the things now, Brad, I'd go ahead, but don't act like somebody's cutting you off. No, I mean, there were simple questions like how much does it take to get crosswalks painted and blotched beacons up and like, what's the timeframe for those kind of things? Again again just things that I thought would be interesting for the public to have. Like crosswalks that aren't clearly painted, Britta? Yeah. Like, just times. Just times. Like, you mean things that can give you the meaningful? Not specific ones. Just how long does it take? I know that you paint them in a timeframe, but if one was to be requested, how long does it take for it to actually get painted if it's chipped away and it's it takes public works four weeks of six people getting the majority of the crosswalks down the community is that it? Get in the mall done. Yeah but if they say we agreed let put one here, you could do that. I mean, on our scheduling, I mean, I don't know how to answer your question for if the Joneses called up and said, can you do ours first? Maybe, but on, it takes six people, four weeks to get the crossroads down the community. Thank you. That was my question. And then the rapid flash beacons, I mean, I just know this because I've been involved with these these They're they're takes forever for the tank things to show up We can order them four months ago and we don't know when they show up And then once the installation shows up once we went to solar Installation got to be twice as fast. Yeah, but before I used to take months because you get water in there and all that stuff So what would they do that still takes months? They're about 10,000 each. Like for a pair. Right? or used to take months. Because you get water in there and all that stuff. And what would they move that still takes months? There about 10,000 each. Like for a pair. And we put them on the wood posts. And it takes time. We router those. We do all the sign productions with inner shot. Not all of them. We order out the signs, but we build the backs and build the posts. And then you get the installation. So it meets all the stuff. But the metal ranch at Rapid Flight was probably where the three months ago, there might be two more months out before they show up. That's not so. and build a post and all that. And then you get the installation. So it meets all this stuff. But the metal ranch at Rapid Flight was probably worth three months ago. It might be two more months out before they show up. It's not something that you don't keep in stock. Do they come from overseas? It depends on materials and timing and all those things. Yeah, that's why I'm worried about that. Yeah. And I mean, I'm not going to be, I'm just going to stop up. But we got a lot of list of priorities. We got drainage. We've got all those things. And staff does a great job and getting stuff done. They got to get going. And so. I'm just going to stop up. We have a lot of list of priorities. We have drainage. We have all those things. Staff does a great job and get stuff done they have to get going. We have to sweep it up winter and then it snows again and we sweep it up again. Okay. Any other questions for anyone? Thank you all very much. Thanks very much. Very helpful to go through all that. Pound Council reports and actions. Susan, do you have anything? I attended the transportation coalition, which the first meeting, which was interesting. And I think people are optimistic about what that coalition could potentially come up with as far as just transit up and down the whole valley. That was kind of one of the the focuses is that we we do want to focus on, you know, from the airport to ask them basically, but also how does that affect traffic all the way and people commuting from all the way up and down the valley. So I think that's an important piece that it's good that we're considering all of those commuters. And then we've included, I think think in our goals some some addressing evacuation issues and so I think that's a good thing. So I think do you want to add anything else in? We just kind of basically went through goals and sort of I was really impressed with the group of people who decided to show up It they really have like pulled from a lot of present and former In particular like mirrors it seemed like a lot of A lot of former But I was really heartened to see how many people felt dedicated to trying to solve this problem. So it's good. And it's nice too because I think that we'll get a chance as members of the EOTC to hopefully see some of the ideas that come out of the coalition and implement them so that that could be good. Great. Anything else for me there, Vio? No. I don't have anything else. No, I wouldn't appropriate. I want to bring up and I missed my window earlier something that I'd love to see on a future agenda. Is that possible to do after this? During that? Yeah, you can do it now. Is that okay? I have had three different families come to me in the last week, really concerned about fire. And I know we've touched on it already, but I think that the snow pack this year plus the warmer days plus like the article that was in the paper 10 days ago saying that the chances of burn over I know it was referring to Aspen but it's basically the same here are not zero have made me think I know that we're addressing the EAB on the beginning of June. Is that right? EAB? Yes. It's the first meeting of June. It feels late and to do much to address anything for the summer. And I just wanted to bring up. Is there, would anyone be open to discussing additional clearing? What would it look like to fund more clearing for the summer? Were we doing it through Ruinfork Fire? Who was who was the group that we funded before? Rather than trying to solve it tonight, why don't we put on the agenda in the near term to talk about? Yes, absolutely. So I was just going to say additional clearing. what's the budget needed and who, if anyone is available to do that for this summer. And then the second thing is like, just a second look at evacuation because the true burnover scenario of evacuation was not when we discussed. And I just want to make sure that that's something that we're talking about. What do you mean? If there was a burnover, I think that Brian said he hoped it didn't happen. I don't know that there was a fall. If a fire swept from behind us here all the way up far away up Woods Road like that that's burn over like something where we really had to evacuate the entire village. Okay. And I just want to make sure we don't. My concern is people stuck in their cars trying to get out of here in the smoke danger. All that. Okay. What rather discuss it tonight? Totally. Let's get on the agenda maybe a gentleman here and we've got that community. Is it June 18th or 15th? Yes, June 18th. It's a lens. We're going to have at least four different organizations there speaking to it in year and it's going to be be the evacuation It's going to be the movie it's going to be the preparedness so all that's happening But you want to talk about your question is financial can we get more clearing done? Can you know, is it too late to do more clearing for the summer? Should we be clearing all summer? Like I think it depends you know Hopefully this isn't the summer that we deal with it. But if it were to be, have we done everything that we possibly could do to protect homes, protect the valley from having burn over, do as much clearing as we really can? I just, I have heard that is, is feeling to families here as being the most existential threat that we face as a village. And so I'm just wanting to address it again. Sure, I mean, we can have John, or someone from the fire district show up. I mean, I'm not, let's have a conversation. I mean they'll say I mean I can just having sat to that presentation. We've done a lot. Can you if you've done everything it's fire it's wild fire. It's it's not going to be a comforting answer but they can walk you through what we've done and why we do it and why we run a five year rotation and why we continue to do what we do. Okay. And if that's okay, start there. Totally. And if there's anything we can do to help them with more of this summer. Could. If that's okay, start there. Totally. And if there's anything we can do to help them with more of this summer. Could we address Sessley's issue about urgency? Can we just add it to next week's work session? I'm gonna can't promise. If you can get John or somebody. Yeah. Okay. Tom, anything? Just P-Trab and they conducted a survey of part time residents. Got about 100 responses, I think. And did you send it out to all of us? Yeah, okay. I was traveling last week. I sort of out of touch. So yeah, that was it. Breta, just we Um, just we have Sister City's Thursday. What's that? We have a Sister City's meeting Thursday. Yeah. And we have a raft or a treat on Thursday. And I will be good. I have EAB tomorrow, right? Yeah. Um, and then Breta and I attended the COG Summit in Silverthorn. Was it good? Um, Yeah, it was really good. And I mean, there's always a want for more information. I mean, but housing, the demographer, child care, so it's always, yeah. Yeah. Torot lot on tourism. It was it was it was interesting and then What was I gonna say oh the cleanup day, you know as Friday May 18th it is really great for council members to show up It's a good community event, but also I'm hoping at that event that we can since that Monday we're going to be talking about the draw site that we can have some information there to entice people to come to the meeting and participate. I knew you were on it. I knew it. He's so good. Okay. And yeah, the Wecycle thing was great Susan. We missed you today at the We Cycle e-bikes I know I'm sorry to miss it. No, but it was great and I'm very excited It's gonna I think it's gonna be really wonderful this summer Okay anything else I would take a motion to adjourn so moved second In favor second. I'll second. All in favor? I. I. I. What? 23rd is the clean up day? No, the 18th. 18th. Oh, is it the 8th at the bottom? Sorry, I'm looking up. Oh, sorry. It's a 16th. I have the wrong day. Okay. Sorry. I meant May 16th. Okay. My brain is and you don't have to to see the whole time but it is nice to just go out and you know pick up some trash It's fun actually and then there's