All right. Well, I turn over to you. Great mayor. Good evening, everyone. Good evening to everyone out there, staff and public. Glad to see everyone. So just to remind you of where we are in the budget process, we're starting much earlier this year. So the board wants to make sure we're getting ahead of it. You are getting ahead of it when it comes to property we're about and one of things the board has prioritized is focus on kind of financial planning, making sure we're not just looking at one year, but also in multi years in advance. And giving a lot of time and effort, I appreciate the Board for putting in committing itself to more time to work through the budget. So as you all know now, with this part of the budget process, we're in the conceptual phase. We don't have all the numbers, probably not even close in some ways, but we're trying to kind of come up and finalize our five year financial projections so that you all can kind of start your after-head around kind of where the town is and kind of where we're going. So as an important minor, you'll probably say that several times. We're still in the conceptual forecasting phase. So don't get stuck on the succinct or number, just focus on the trends and the picture. Does that make sense? Okay. So tonight we've given you all the draft financial forecast. We've gotten the strategic priorities from the board. And now we're pertinent on our budget calendar. We're trying to find to the financial projections and just update the impact of all the various scenarios of a consideration. The board is going to little down those conceptual scenarios and from there probably around the march give the manager the kind of scenario that you would like for me to create a budget with. That would not mean that that is the scenario that the board is selecting. You've got to pick a scenario to develop an in-depth budget and that's going to be the one that give me so I'll do that in April we sent April 17th but with your permission we'd like to push that back a bit. Do we think we're not going to have some numbers back essentially from the county, potentially from insurance on some insurance times back then. So is anybody close? We that back a couple of weeks? Okay. Appreciate your flexibility. And then really April, beginning of May, we really have a good idea of what you want to do, what the board wants to do as far as services, as far as tax rate, that kind of thing. For really really now we're at the forecasting stage, conceptual planning, we're on heavily-owned assumptions. So with that being said, how do we get here? You know, we've been looking at this for two, three years now. In COVID-19, we had a lot of inflation. Inflation increased the cost. Excuse me. Everything just about whether it's from buying a pen. No pads, office supplies, to asphalt. It increased the cost of everything. Obviously we saw that nationwide, worldwide. And that led to higher inflation. We were no exception to that. It especially increased our costs for labor costs, especially with police. Our fixed cost with labor, especially with police, is very high. There's not a lot we can do with that. So it's relatively fixed. From there, there There are also things that counsel heard that you wanted to address when you talk to residents, making sure we're doing a good job in increasing the amount of street maintenance, making sure our trash contract is good and meeting the needs of our residents, as well as doing things like adding an SRR officer, police officer at the school full time. So, cost went up, the board chose not to raise the tax rate at the time instead, used arpeggiles, which are federal funds that were received through the state. The board just felt like it only needed this money to keep the tax rate as low as possible for the residents. And now we're in a situation where ARPA funds are ending and we need to figure out a way how do we fill that budget gap that comes to revenues. Now that the ARPA money is away and do want to do anything with revenues or do want to cut services. The service cuts, as you know, wouldn't be benign cuts. They would be likely deeply unpopular, deeply uncomfortable service cuts, things like adding pure police officers on a ship, sewing response times, cutting the street maintenance budget, reducing trash pick-up from every week to every other week, closing down parks, things like that. So that's kind of a big picture budget discussion and ultimately the big decision that we'll be faced with as we move through the process. So at that being said, we looked and said, hey, if we continue on with the budget as is, if we funded all the board's priorities, we would... What would the budget look like? What would it expect? Thank you. And just hear some things left, kind of the draft conceptual budget has in there. So, go through the budget summary here. So, I'm not going to withdraw all these police things like funding continuing the provide police services 24-7. We've been growing the town as a matter of officers in a while and we recently had a staffing analysis done. We talked about it with the board and that's called the six new additional police officers. However, we kicked the can on that last year and we talked about all right. Worked with Chief Frank since I all right. do two a year until we get to where we need to do to keep up the code. We have a vehicle replacement plan because there's a fine line between you don't want to keep a vehicle too long to where the repairs start outpacing the value of the vehicle but you also want to get your money to work out of the vehicle. There's been a desire to have enhanced public security, camera locations, and certain intersections, and additional community outreach programs, sanitation and public works. We continue to provide solid ways to pick up recycling and yard waste, pick up biweekly, and then the boat quarterly collection. That's something that you all heard from the residents. They value shredding services for the residents where we have a shredding event or if anybody has that, you come up here. We need to replace the fire suppression system for town hall, but excuse me, remain within code. A package plan at sewer study that was born on the board's priorities. We talked about the county has a sewer capacity issue and the board is going to continue to have the developers come and talk to you and advocate for allowing sewage package plants with package sewer plants. And so this would be an analysis to just look at that With parks and rack we operate three parks and greenways 50th anniversary celebration and that's something you all heard from the community that we wanted to do The number of parks events in the town center The conference of land used land when it calls for or we had a lot of community meetings. One of the things that came up was to have the kind of central gatherings, but trying to figure out a way to have some sort of town centers, something that the word is prioritized. Obviously having more park security cameras, there have been several nonviolent crimes that have happened in the park every year years and vandalism to the tennis slash pickle ball courts for example. And so that would be a pickfully helpful with that. The splash pad needs to be redesigned and relatively near future. Some of the, for example, the spheres that are getting the point where in the near future we're going to start worrying about them breaking. And also, my understanding is this flash drive was designed to be a fountain. It was only retroactively designed to allow for people to actually get into it. And so a lot of the processes and the treatment of chemicals is a little bit different there so that we need to be addressed eventually. One of the things that Board want to do is have sewer capacities not there. What can we do without sewer capacity? One of the things that was listed on there was potentially doing a new site plan in terms of the program eligible to try to turn left and right into a for the north part of town. The way that this park is for the middle and the southern part, and kind of the southern section, that's something that you all heard of that the people in the middle in the northern parts of town like you see. The tennis and pickleball court fence replacement, that's something that needs to be done. It was fully funded, the $1.3 million in street maintenance plan, that's a combination of funding that by local tax dollars and power bill. This is the year that's coming up for a PCI evaluation, so we go through and rate all the roads in town by specific engineering framework. And then from there we use our software to determine how do we take our dollar and stretch it along this when it comes to street maintenance. So some of those approaches are a bit counterintuitive, but it's also putting a lot of money into proactive aspects of that. It's a vehicle for more stormwater repairs, additional stormwater staff to increase contracting costs. We believe we can do that. In segmenting, not need to increase any stormwater fees to our residents and property owners because we're working to get more efficient and do more things in house because we've discovered it's more, much more expensive to contract in Zal. And then also continue street sweeping. Within that administration, hopefully get some financial software for reporting and functionality. One of the things we've learned and knew all of the things we've seen as we've done staffing surveys is that our staffing levels within the finance department for a place our size are much lower than other comparable places. And we know new positions don't grow in trees, so financial software might be a way to gain some more efficiency. There, obviously, is doing some preliminary engineering on town center streetscape, implementing the pay study. We have to pay for the election coming November. I'm in planning and planning and firm meeting services to the public, co-inforcement-ducing and sub-aimment, and co-inforcement-littersweet and updated the BELPRFB schedule. That was something we heard as we needed to make sure that the developers are paying their fair share, not just the residents obviously. So I said I wasn't going to read all those, but I think I read every single one and I apologize for that. And with that being said, this one is what you might have used at this in third graders today. We had the privilege of going and visiting local third graders. I think honestly, they just want me to come so they could get to chief and have income. I said there was one question we heard throughout every third grade class and it was, is that done real? So again, thank you Chief Chief is awesome when it comes to public speaking with the kids. So that being said, Ms. Williams, do you mind maybe walking us through then five-year forecast police and that you've seen and Kurt, Mr. Walton, obviously, is our facilitator. He's going to help pop in and provide guidance. Now let's get to where the board once again. I'm just trying to show it on on screen. I guess I'll just say that like that. That would be easier to see. You are all receiving papers., but this is also something that was emailed to you all last Friday, I believe. So as Alex was saying, I did our five-year forecast, let me say this, I did our five-year forecast a little differently than we've done it in the past. I put some prior history on here for you as well. And it broke things down a little more than we have in the past. Just so that maybe we can see the trends a little better. So that's what you see here. You've got two years' worth of actuals. Here's our current year adopted. In the box in the middle, those are the three scenarios that we were instructed to work on. And, and Jesse, if I may, I want to remind the board and everyone here, these are all hypothetical, heavily-assumptioned, built scenarios. Okay? It's important that we don't get caught up on the specific numbers because the only thing that we can guarantee with these numbers is that they're going to change. There we haven't gotten our tax based numbers back from from Union County yet even though the individual numbers have gone up they they're telling us it's going to take closer to the month to get the stalling numbers. So these numbers are going to change quite a bit. So don't worry about the individual number. Don't get stuck on the numbers. Just worry about the big Thanks, son. Yep. Thank you, Beth. That's good work, Ralph. What I was about to say first, because yes, even though we are showing you the scenarios that you asked for with the revenue neutral plus the revenue, in addition to the revenue neutral plus three cents, without those tax-based numbers from the county, we truly can't calculate those numbers. So this is all hypothetical best guess at the money. And so then again, because these numbers are hypothetical, these are as well. We are using historical trend data to come up with some of these or to come up with these numbers but again we don't have exact amounts yet. The big picture, yeah I'm happy to answer any questions but the big picture here is what Alex was saying and I mean we have been using the ARPA money for the last few years to almost artificially balance our budget for lack of a better term at the moment. You know, because we have been using that money to pay the police personnel costs, which has been, you know, over $2 million a year. I think last year in 24 it's $2.64 million that we used in ARPA funds that the town and essentially the taxes are having to pick up that additional funding. So we are now in a position where our expenses truly do exceed our revenues. And so that is really the bottom line of where we are. Do you want me to go into any of these numbers now, or would you like me to pull up the graphs? Because that might be a better visual presentation. No, thanks, Jesse. Can you go over to CIP numbers? Sure. I was looking through the chart that we've had in any kind of phone all the numbers. Ah, I'm going to start with the main camp on all the nothing. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. I'm going to start. Okay, so all the CIP numbers that you see in those future years, you can see when you look at the percentages, it's a wide range. And that is because those numbers truly have been plugged in from that document that is going around to you now. And as you see, in fiscal year 30, because that is so far out, we don't have all those numbers yet, because needs change as time goes on. So my question on the five year forecast, can you go down the, I'm looking at the big picture, get down the foot by the right now, rather than going through going through 20 later. What are all these numbers? Enhanced the FB net with operational CFP. Can you just go down there's second third box of only on CFP? Yes, our so the document that you have in front of you the fourth column over There's a type and it's either operational or enhancement. Operational is like replacing the police cars. It's replacing the things that we already have that's just routine annual maintenance type stuff. The enhancement is, those are additional things like adding to the camera. You know, increasing those camera systems, potentially replacing our finance software. You know, that's more of an enhancement. We do have software, but it could help us. Make things easier, make us more efficient, give us better reporting capabilities, but it's not that we don't currently have software. So that's the difference between those. So for 26, I have hotness, sir. Okay, so there is a negative number there in that operational CIP. So that's essentially saying, let me just look at that. So which number are you looking at the negative 227605? No, in the 11185. Okay, so all the items that are not labeled as enhanced on that spreadsheet that you have are in the numbers above. So without the enhanced items and the current tax rate, the budget that we have right now hypothetically has a deficit of $11,185. When we add all those enhanced CIP items, the software, add an additional camera is doing an office remodel to make better use of the space down in the police department. When you add all those items in, we now have a deficit of $7,605 dollars with the current tax rate. Right. I got you. And this remainder, this was, but it perfectly, but if you look at the capital improvement plan in the sales that are highlighting green, those are the items that are considered in hands. Right. See, I. So I understand in first column, one to column one of them as well as the maintenance nine and 35k. Okay. So that is my huge length in here. So it's basically the exact same thing that I just explained, but the revenue side is different. The revenue side is using our hypothetical revenue neutral calculation plus three cents. And so it's the same thing with our estimated, because again we do not have real numbers at this point With our estimated revenue-nutual tax rate and the just operational CIP items, the budget has a deficit of $935,985 per next year. When we add those green enhanced CIP items for 26, we then have a deficit of $1,152,405. So what rate do you use for revenue neutral? My calculation right now, again it is hypothetical, it is open and sits on over here, but it was around like point 1.4. Yeah, was it? Yeah, I think it was like point 1. That's a type of medical, that is we don't know what it's going to be. Right. Yeah, that's just for understanding this. Yeah, so it's called 15, 14 or something. So, right, it's called 15. So I had three things for your thing. At 18 cents, hypothetically, we would be short. One more thing for me if we funded all of our share. Correct. Yes, sir. Thank you. And so then, you know, the third column is essentially the same thing, but now we're using that estimated, you know, 15 cents. We'll go with that. The point 14 on estimated revenue-neutral tax rate. Then without the enhanced CIP items, we have a budget deficit of $2,5,920,585. And with the enhanced CIP items, it's that $2.2 million number that you see. I know these are big numbers, you know, to see the deficit, but again, you have to remember that we've been using an ARPA money that was one time, and essentially we've been paying for our police officers salaries out of our savings account. Essentially what has been going on for the last couple years and now that savings account of our money is gone. You know, it ran out in October. So we're now having to fund those personnel calls with the money that we are regularly bring it in. So how did we get the 9.30, about 10? I understand the enhanced parts between the green and the red. So all those? So if you add all the revenues, that comes to the $11,053,066, and the total expenditures without the enhanced is the 11, 989, 951, we're in the middle scenario, Reb now. And so the net of those two numbers is a negative 935, 985. All right, so everything in white? It revenues minus expenditures up at the top. That's all I guess. Yeah, it's stuff in white. So, this one. It's listed under in the capital. The CIP is listed under fiscal year 2526. It's like, operationally. Exactly, that's what we have to say. You know, council, that's what we have to say. A lot of stuff up top. Things we can't catch. Solid waste. The police department, you know, not to touch that. A lot of services when I can touch will not be that they will nail a little bit. The operation will see a fee, and now they're about 1000. So that's something we need to record that. Especially when we get a room, we're in a point. What we say can CIP? It's this? Okay, CIP. It's this. Okay, but that's a negative number that's been added somewhere. Where is that added? Okay. Okay, but CIP is here, right? The CIP is here. And capital is finished. Yeah, no. OK. Yeah. So it's not an after-existing one. Yeah, that's it. Thanks. Yeah, the non-periodob is truly just an after-evane, it's an all-rebonated, it's all expenditures, not just capital. Yeah, I think. Yeah. So I mean, essentially, you could cut out all just capital. Yeah, I think. Yeah. So I mean essentially you could cut out all the capital and we still wouldn't balance that. And this CIP does include what the three to four police cars that we do in junior grade. This one's three police cars, three replacements and we've also got one new place car in here as well in these expenditures. So that's four to the one? Yes. So I mean, four police cars, including a civilian, they're like 70 grand piece to how fit them. What about? Probably not 20 that much but the car itself is and she plays great me if I'm wrong. About 65. I'm 65. It doesn't put me up great 65. I'm about. Okay, so I mean I can go to these charts because I think it does kind of a better visual of showing you the situation that we're in. You do have four pages there essentially. It's two of the exact same charts. Some of us like this chart better and some of us saw the donut charts better so that told us that different people say things in a different way. So we provided you with both options. And you can look at whichever one you see best. But essentially on the revenue chart, oh no, this has my boxes. It distorted them. OK, well, I'm not sure why I would have I've been this in this version. It has my boxes. It just stored it then. Okay, well I'm not sure why I want to open this in this version. It has my boxes made, but in your paper copies they should be in the right place and in this one the first one should be around this adbalore in the taxes and this one should be over here around this fund balance and transfer from ARPA. This is our revenues and it includes the two years of history, the current year budget along with those future forecasted scenarios for 26 just for ease of things. We opted with the the middle scenario, the estimated revenue neutral plus three cents. So the big takeaway from this chart is, prior to current year, we were relying on the taxes to fund less than 40% of our budget. Because again, we were using all the ARPA money to find the pay-be-savories. Now that the ARPA money is gone, so this year, 25, we had some left, so it shot up to, we were expecting over 50%, the taxes to find a little over 50% of the budget, now that the ARPA money is completely gone we're relying on the taxes to find over 60% of our budget and then when you look at the expenditure chart the personnel calls the personnel calls solid ways and street maintenance alone make up about 70% of the budget. So we're now in a position that our tax money cannot find, the current tax money cannot find our whole budget. So as personnel calls continue to go up, and while this doesn't show a huge change, like an increase, the dollar amount is actually going up. I mean, we have new locations come on every month. So actually that solid waste invoice goes up on a monthly basis due to additional locations. So what you're saying, let me translate that. So if we basically today said we're going to cut everything except for police, trash and road maintenance. We would just barely be able to fund it with a current tax rate. Not quite. Not quite. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yes, well, not police, but personnel. All town personnel. All town personnel. All town personnel. So yes, in these scenarios, what you're seeing is that, yes, we cannot find personnel calls solid waste and streets with the current these estimated tax forecasts. Council member, are you correct? Are the bulk of our personnel calls? Correct me if I'm wrong, this will end with police. Oh, that's natural. That's natural to have that in local government. Police is such a manpower and a sense of department by its nature. And half, at least half, it's not slightly more of the table's staff is in the police work. So with that being said, the other thing that you're seeing is the funding remaining for the operating expenditures, our landscape and contract, well, I'm just not wanting it, but all of the the other ordinary things that we need to do to keep the town running, we have less and less money to do those things because the call stuff, the other things is going up and because we have less money coming in. So that's pretty much the bottom line of everything. Now that's very brief, but that really is the big picture of it. All right, are you finished? Yes, sir. Okay, so let me go down through some of the CIP. Sure. And since we have staff here, I'm going to picker's question, there's on 800,000 streets of Presuppressing, it says additional $1,000, $1,000, $1,000,000, not original, is that? I know the council has every year has put more money out of the a dental fund. And you can't have streams for the debt. And my curriculum, that's not the power of money. You are correct. The $500,000, the $450,000 that you see right above that, plus the $50,000 that you see right below that. That is the power of the... That $800,000 is the extra that's coming out of tax. Right, that's it. And again, I mean, you know, these numbers, as far as the budget and the deficit, it's all still high-pid net. So, you know, it's all still hype the thing, so we don't have an exact amount to give you to know what we're really trying to cut if you were going to go through this or anything at this point. And then, she's killing me even in public works with here. They're $50,000 for the additional 50 truck. What's our fleet look like right now as far as public works as? Yeah, all we have right now is we have one large utility truck and we have a call in kind of a a van almost that really is just hauling smaller equipment and smaller materials. I believe it was really used by parks and rack several years ago and transferred over to public works. So it's really just a tool carrier at this point for smaller tools. Who would use that one? I said, yeah, we have one truck. Yes. Okay. Through this truck that I want to do. Yes. And we're hoping that we can't currently do with the capacity that we have. The goal is new truck would allow to have a dump bed so we can haul larger materials off and perform larger asphalt repairs as well. We just dumped it with contract and we bought a number of items recently to try to kind of invest the capacity of public works, projects, and be able to do this in-house because we found cheaper to do it ourselves, right? And to do it in-house, can you talk a little bit about the skids to you? Is that paid for itself? I was like that. We've done this fiscal year, our public works department, and not just even considering the day-to-day stuff that they've been handling. Just kind of projects that we were originally contracting out to what we've taken on a house with our new equipment. We've done 24, 25 maybe, larger scale projects in house that has already saved us about 90-ish thousand just from doing all of that in-house and being able to, that's getting steer as pretty much maker itself in six months. So our public sports department is doing a great job. I know Guinness is not here but it's got $30,000 for a replacement UTV. Oh, there you go. So yeah, the UTV, that would be replacing our gator that we have over the last two years, since I started seeing it, two years. We've just had a lot of maintenance. That's had to happen with that gator or just fear him that it's nearing its end of life. So really for something to replace it, put it on galbados. You were writing this on? Yeah, yeah. You know, it gets on before it. Yeah. Okay. That's not one. We were in, I wanted to get my $50,000. We can't even buy it. That's half one. You're putting, I wanted to get my $50,000. You can't even buy it. That's half the cost. The other half is in storm water. Ah, okay. There's a flip-finding map. Oh, it's like, we probably don't want to bring this up because somebody's still in the day and truck somewhere. Oh, yeah're all here. Yes. All right. Any questions for Jesse? I'm dominating here, but I'm just looking at somebody big to get out of here. I'm just talking about before. You know what? Okay, the last time we did the PCI evaluation, that was FY21. Yes. Well, we're been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been in the air. We've been right now is we have our alarm system and it's over town hall only and it's just incredibly hot day. It's operated by jobs and controls and what what minutes realize that it's completely outdated is we just switched from a with strength of direct connection to a cellular connection because we're having several issues with with wind stream reliability to provide that alarm service and monitoring service. And essentially when they came out to do that modification they said the alarm panel is completely outdated. If we get hit by a storm if our building is struck by lightning And I think goes out then the whole thing just needs to be replaced because there's no parts for it to replace it And so that's ultimately what that is is to be replacing the fire on our table It is yeah Is that 2004? Yeah, it was about 100 years ago. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Kevin. Yeah. All right. I told a question about him. I asked him if anybody had any questions for him. Yes he is. Rushing's dead. What else could we want to accomplish in that to have? Well, that hurt. Mayor Counsel, I think we'll do whatever is best utilized in your time. At your last budget session, you chose three scenarios for Alex and staff to develop a revenue neutral, leading the tax rate as it is, and somewhere in between, and the term in the amount in between. And so those three scenarios are on the table. If there are any year-or-ranging to eliminate, then that helps the staff. If you're not ready to do that, then as Alex said, the beginning is early to process. We're getting towards the middle, but probably not quite there yet, particularly without the number's definitive numbers from the county. And so it's, however, would best serve your time. If you have more questions about the numbers or if you want to talk philosophically about how you want to approach this, or if you're, if you have what you need for right now and want to wait to the next session to get into things, those are all your choices. I would want to eliminate any of the three of them that brand and brand and the portion. But when you say we are early in the process, we use a lot of such a service. So I think we can do all that. Staff and y'all are going to break down the team and up for the payment and picture. And we're going to break the head. But the security is if we had money in the saving account to cover expenses. That's my thought, Castle. I agree in the rated plus and maybe options out. And those are just options that do two extremes and then somewhere in the middle just to set us up. And what about two? Not a final number at all. It's just in the middle is to set this up. What amount do you have? Not a final number, it's just a middle. So then, when I look at that neutral, I'm thinking there's no way we can go. This, but I got you. I hear you. The one that feels current, factory? I don't know. Look, the one that puts us. Two million in the hall for this. Oh, it has to make revenue neutral. Yeah. No, they have one at 15%. That's what I get with. I think they hurt. They hurt. For numbers, we'll be allowed to use your understand when we have actual real numbers for me. And when we know that our actual real tax-based is in songs right now. I don't know, a big guessing game. I think guessing games. What? I know last year we did take in answering a lot of questions from the public over the weekend. I got a lot of questions after the tax bills went out, or the tax, or if they all get out. I mean, I know that we cut approximately 2.7% out of the budget last year. And last year when we talked, it was pretty, I mean, pretty mean budget. Is there any fact in this budget at all? Are any areas that you know out that you think out that we'll see some areas that might be cutable? Sure. It's difficult to say right now because the budget is so conceptual. Yeah. I think with me, my manager, as a manager, my duties make sure we've got a lean, efficient budget. I need to do that. We're just so early in the process. Is that the point? We don't know a matter of my duties, make sure we've got a lean, efficient budget. The aim to do that, we're just so early in the process at this point. We don't know a lot of our insurance costs. It's difficult to say. There may be a point where I could come to y'all and say, we could cut this a lot more. But the impact of those cuts will be kind of some service impacts and Happy to do that. Just want us to all go in eyes wide open I guess when I'm asking that question maybe I hate to ask you quite Okay, so let's say we have to not five hundred thousand out of this budget When you hear that number what does that mean mean? When it comes to service cuts. And I mean, yeah, I think what that means is first looking at the capital, seeing what we can push off. That would be necessarily a long-term call savings, but that's just short-term strategy. I think it would mean looking at the staffing increases that we had planned to do and seeing what's impacted that is, and we're adding some police positions, we'd have to look at that, and just kind of going through every line item and making sure it's tight and efficient and ready to go. And with that last one we would do that. Okay. I know from being, when I look at this I feel like we got a lot of ground cover of the case top of these preliminary numbers. So hopefully we're, the real numbers are going to look better in our favor. Absolutely. So yeah. Well, I don't know if you heard about the federal government issue when doing line-on budget. We got a next year. Where else? We What was it? They haven't been in class. And we'll see how much. Very good. I think Brad didn't show up because he didn't want to see the crime. I'm talking about the world on K-V. So, you know what? You're doing a full of children's? That's how I looked at it with 900 points. Over 1000 points. Oh. Oh, what breadth? 100 because it just seems to be 3 points. Oh. 8 and 9. Yeah. Ooh. No, it's over. All right. All right. Thanks. I just wanted to... I'm in the curve. Yes, sir., sir That's it sir. I just as we're closing since we got a few minutes. I'm doing a recognize our finance officer Miss Williams she's been working on weekends over time and Really been working hard for the town and I just want to recognize her because I feel like sometimes I'm being an heir of the one when you see that and thank you Jesse for all your work on the work. And you always get the deliver bad. I have a major surprise. But yeah. If we won't have the county's figures, we will be more of a weeks. What they've told us is, the end of the month, they have to have to us by the end of the month. So we may very well not have them for our next March 24th meeting and we may still be working off hypotheticals at the same time. So, everybody, everybody, we'll move on. Yeah, there's also an option of, you know, I just asked Yalph, who if he moved the back. Later in April, we even have another meeting in the early April potential. So is there, like, why don't we start seeing kind of the line I was for beach department for those coming? That would be when I give you all the draft, but... So that would be roughly... I think April? Yeah, it's late April. I mean, you can obviously see anything working on that, but I would feel that if I would give it to you, it would be so confusing just because there's so many placeholders. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean. I think what I'm trying to do is ask the questions I think I'm going to get asked. Yeah, absolutely. So I get that. We want to be kind of transparent. I know one of the things that you'll see on the priority action plan at the meeting and another board wanted to try to kind of communicate out to the residents and there's several things like having the public hearing. We've got that scheduled in June, I believe, right now. And then also we'll publish the budget schedule online so folks can kind of see that anybody that wants to come. Appreciate the members of the public being here today. Thank you. And anybody wants to come be a part of this process and offer it. But then also I know the board will have kind of a joint meeting and talk about the budget once we get out of hypothetical virility and concept goes and then to a draft proposed budget. And so we've got that I think on the calendar for May night. I believe to meet with all the committee members and just kind of go over that. So we want to kind of come and do transparent care. I think one of the things that came up this weekend is kind of conversing is that sometimes that public hearing me, it happens pretty late in the process. And sometimes I mean, if we would only have like, in some cases, two or three weeks before we have to submit a budget. And so, you just something to think about there, is there any way we can kind of present that as early as possible, so people can. And then, I think there's some confusion on just how the public interacts with these budget meetings. And since we don't have a public time to speak or ask questions, then how do they, how are they able to participate in the discussion? Right, that's a big one. Because I didn't have a question, I didn't have the answer. I've been from the public center for five years that I've been there. And really, this, you know, bringingal as far as the meeting goes. It's up to the awkward whether you want to have public input immediately. And I think you could do that, you could add, but then if your budget meetings the time for public input, right, once y'all kind of get through all the information you need to. So, you know, the residents that are here often want to be most interesting. Sometimes not, no works have to be in that, but that could be an option. So, they've been lucky, and it's given an opportunity for residents asking questions, and providing feedback. Okay. Okay. I have a question about this. you gave us, Alice, so who is working with cabbage plant sewer studies? Is somebody in particular working on that? It would be something... Yeah, great question. So I'm putting the card a little bit before the horse, but only a couple hours before the horse. What I mean by that is you'll see in the priority action plan, one of the things that the board is a priority, wants to explore sewer capacity alternatives. One of the things that came up in staff hurt, y'all say at the retreat, was we're going to be getting all this information from developers. And they're saying the package plan is to be these needs. We, this is such a niche technology. We don't have expertise. We've been me and the board the staff to understand the cutting edge of sewer treatment technology So we'll go out and find a third party to first provide us a study with What's out there? Right because the technology that was in the 50 years ago we see some of the problems with it technologies come along What's out there, right? Because the technology that was 50 years ago, we see some of the problems with it. The technologies come along with it. What's out there to say if there's going to cause odor issues for our residents. Like we see with Aqua by country Louise or with the new technology. So providing with the board with an objective third party analysis that you can trust you're getting the best information. And then what I would suggest too, if you had, once you do that and decide you would adopt a position on package plans, just kind of generally, hey we like them with nuance or no we don't like them with nuance or something nuance nuance in the between right and then if you get any individual development proposals that haven't taken place you would have an engineering group coming in and evaluate what exactly that proposal you put that particular area because technology the quality of the technology can very greatly obviously just something in a piece of technology technology. So that way, y'all would have a better understanding of the objective way is this package plan, a good idea, we're hearing it objectively from a third party who's independent, and then also you're looking at the specific, specific technology that's being proposed if that happens with a specific development. So is that overkill? Maybe you can already do that, but it gives you a double check because once you approve something like this, you don't get any takebacks, right? So that was kind of the thinking. I welcome it if you back or that does it sound right. But that's what that's going to work. I'm kind of asked, you know, that one because it's highlighted in gold. The priorities or whatever, yeah, the terms of priorities are in goal. I'm just just being kind of in general like planning is not supposed to be studying something unique updated development, developer fee schedule so that we can have that in our That's something we what we have? Absolutely. Now that's something we've, you know, Mr. Shaman, I've talked about. That's something we're going to look at. We heard you, Gourmet, or Treat, that's something we want to walk to. When we're bringing the fees gave to the budget, that's something you want to kind of have some updates for y'all. So is that something that we would have to approve before the budget or would just be probably a part of the budget, or we would bring it to you before the budget is also an approved. We wouldn't bring you a budget that day, right? Or even before the... Here it is Lord Honor, I need to digest this and understand that there would be an opportunity to, after the budget, the formal budget is proposed for the board to take it and say, ask questions, including on the piece. The 15th anniversary celebrations is set. Then we part of the new budget started in July, so we'll have to put money in that. That's right, it's a good question. It's really split because the nature of we're reducing the whole year, 2025, to celebrate the 50th anniversary. And so just because of the calendar and the fiscal year part they split each other. It will be split but there would be some there's some of this current year and there'll be some of My last two-biter work of knowledge that everybody got their tax rate estimated by your tax day at their house. So I compared it to about 30 homes in my neighborhood to my home and some of them went up 17% and some of them went up 17% like that. So I'll'm not sure you had about that And you should keep yours up that nice I know, I know, I know So I was looking at comparable sizes I was right around where I lived So it's not like I was looking at another neighborhood So I was recommending everybody do the same thing Because I'm a field process And I, starting March 5th, I've already sent my hand and never response back to the reunion. And then, not to be all in the hole. After that, all of it announced, we still went on Zilla. And it was on their sheet, they wanted to know what did you think they were. So I put it in number down there. I don't know, Zillow was $2,000 off the mine estimate. So, Zillow's in that business. I don't know who the guys are. I say they're certified. Who did all this analysis. I'm sure they are. Zillow's a multi-beying dollar company. They're making sure they get the right. I was ready to get everybody doing that. You know, looking at your evaluators, the homes were similar size, didn't feel the same time. And I'm prepared. Well, sorry to move. I'll add to that when the guy was here. I don't think he were here at the time, but the guy was here. He specifically said that they were taking the average, over a certain period of time, and the average the time they chose was during the COVID time period. Everything went up and so I mean I've seen them. I don't think that there is no way I could sell my house for what they have raised before. Because that value is higher than any house in my entire neighborhood as ever so. The floor just goes up to 77%. 77% of the channel where it figures right. Where was that? People put people around me to some different activities. But like I said, it was 77% of my channel. I'm going to do some different action. Just like I said, it was seven. My name is Champ R. So, what's the... All right. I'll see you all in two. Thank you. Listen up for coming. Listen to Jay. So, we'll sign it up. Show him the bears. All that. Time to have it.