The agenda is election of new officers. So do I hear a... I think you've done a fine job. One of the motions? It is. It is. It is. Motion. I got a third. I got a third. I'm limit or something. Oh no. What's the by-law's? I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna work on more of my golf game this year. It's got bamboozled. I'm putting it in the morning so you don't have to worry about that. Okay. Is our second willing to be second again this year? why? The second race moment. Move nominations we close. All in favor? Hi. Yeah, I knew it. Okay, moving on. Minutes from... I remember everybody remembers a minute from April 2 but are there any changes or updates or spelling anything anything with the agenda. Move the crew. Second. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay. Moving on. Ninth Street. All right. Ninth Street and Central Avenue. We receive a request by an individual who is living east of Ninth Street, who is walking their child to Miller school or school. I wasn't aware that there were people who lived east of Ninth Street that went to Miller. Okay. Okay. So this was an individual who was who had a need that trying to get across ninth street in the mornings when it's school time is tough. And we had also when we put in the bike lanes at talk to the neighborhood and they had a concern about pedestrian crossings because between Kassuth Street and Teel Road, there is no controlled crossing for pedestrians. So this particular request was ninth and central. What I had previously kind of been thinking is ninth and Cherokee made sense because I wasn't thinking of people walking from the east familiar. I was thinking of people in the Highland Park neighborhood that are heading for Jeff and to Kumpsa. That would capture everybody funneling from the neighborhood to the south and cross the Cherokee. So we being myself, Nick, in traffic, we started looking at these locations and it may make more sense to put something, something I'll talk about in a second, at 9th and central because of the people who are trying to get across the street to head toward Miller. Also there's a bus bus stop located, actually, it looks like there's a bus stop at both of those locations, city bus. And it's also more central to the neighborhoods as well. That's why it's called Central Avenue. So, we already did some scouting of the Central Avenue intersection. I can actually pull up a street view here. This gives you an idea that this would be the northwest corner. This is the northeast corner. Southeast, you can see somebody standing there waiting on City bus at the time of this picture. And then Southwest corner. What we're thinking is like the, we call them RRFBs. You push the button and they kind of sprub yellow. They don't necessarily stop traffic, but they really catch the tension. That's the idea is that they would really, if you're at a distance, it almost looks like there's some construction vehicle or something up there when they go off. So we looked at this location and feel like we can make it work. work. These would be solar powered. And so there are some large trees in the area. So we would have to figure that out or figure out a way to hard wire some of these in. But we felt like we could make this location work on the south side of the unit. And we'd been talking about it for a while with the neighborhood from the time we put the bike lanes in. So we think it's a good time to do something here. So I guess what I'm asking is that everybody would agree that we need to put in a pedestrian push buttons system across ninth street. We would continue to, well, we need to acquire the push buttons, the signs, and everything. But also, my next point that I want to make is that I feel like this is a lower priority than 18th street and we'll talk about 18th street further down in the agenda. So, but I just it'd be nice if we had maybe this body's agreement that we put in a pedestrian push button system and our RFB at 9th and central. Jeremy, quick question. With the RFB, have like the audible information for ADA purposes for like visually impaired pedestrians? Yes. Is there a, if they're flashing yellow and there's a pedestrian in the street, is there legal obligation for a car to stop? It would make it no different than any other pedestrian crossing and that's yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk. So if the pedestrian is already in the crosswalk, the state law is that you are to yield to those pedestrians. So it doesn't really change that. It just makes it far more conspicuous of a crossing. But it would be a fineable issue for please officer if somebody does those. Well, if somebody is in the crosswalk and they go through and somebody drives through and they're hit, then yes, that would be. Yes. So would it be paint on cross here as well and indicating like yeah okay. Yeah. Also you're gonna define the cross. Yeah okay. Yeah these there's I don't know if I can quickly bring up. Just like the one at South Street in Park Avenue. Yes very similar to that one. Yes. Yeah, so if you're familiar with that one on the street near the old hospital, it's it's it's would be very similar to that. So here's one. It still it has the typical. Let me. There would be a picture. They've got a whole page on it, but no picture. I'll just do this. So you have the sign and then you have the arrow down typical of any pedestrian crossing that we sign, but then in between is this light bar and that's what flashes. And then here's the pedestrian push button down here on the pole. And we would also we would also mark the crossing. But it's just need to be made in a form of emotion for austerities to say so we just I would. We you would like? Yes, that's what I'm requesting. Then I will be the, the person to make that motion. Second. Home favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. V.C. Lane and raising cane, this is interesting. It's a mess out there. Yeah, so it's a mess for raising cane. So I had an anonymous... No, no, no. I know him. No, no. Yeah. A person who raises some concerns about the Raising Cain's entrance, especially the fact that it's a full ax, let me go back to the... If I could... Here we go. I mean, you noticed the new signs that were put up out there in the middle of that little corner spot. You notice they're all mashed. I got knocked down today, yeah. We're back up already, but it was knocked down. Oh, they were. They were after again. Yeah, these guys are on it. Hey, really are. And okay, so here we are, this is this is Chick-fil-A and lows on the left side of the screen. And then this is this is where raising canes is now. This is the driveway that's in question or concern. There is full access allowed at this particular drive. The one across the street is right in, right out, which is somewhat effective as far as limiting left turns. But this over here, one of the concerns is if you've got the dual left for South Street right here, and then you have two yellow lines, but they're not wide enough for like a full left turn lane there into raising canes if you're coming southbound on Creecy. So really you're doing you're making that movement out of the the left lane of the dual left turn lane into there. Yeah and then if you're And then if you're pulling out you're crossing a couple lanes and then you're in a dual left turn lane when you pull out. So that's some of the concerns and then right now raising canes is open but in the future right next door to that is going to be a new car wash. And then we already have Panda Express located here. So we've this is redeveloping at a higher This is redeveloping at a higher the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the area of the to be extended over further that Roman drive over to the. That's a good question. So at one point when this was still Chick-fil-A, it's now Popeyes. Chick-fil-A was proposing an extension of its grace lane here and they were proposing an extension of that over to Roman Drive that would connect, that would allow people to get over to the traffic signal to South Street. So that is a viable option in the future, but there's also, we're talking to developers now, and it's super preliminary at this point, but they are proposing this Eastland drive, which grace lane teases into their proposing to extend that north and then turn and come over to Creci. And at that point, we'd be looking at a potential new traffic signal at the north entrance to Lowe's, which would help check the lay traffic. Lowe's, which would help check the lay traffic, Lowe's traffic, the new traffic that would come on this parcel here. And then we would encourage a connection or two to this, yeah, to Roman Drive. So then all of this traffic could then get to that, get to either signal, one on South Street, one on Creasy Lane. What's the timing of that? That's, we don't even have timing on the, that open field right there, it is just beginning to be discussion. In fact, we had one got to get a drainage process. Okay. Working with the neighbor, but they're very vocal about what happens in that space. So I think Bob lives in there for the record. Yeah. he talked to the anonymous. Yes. So what do you propose that we do? I'm not really proposing anything today. I just wanted to bring it up as this is a this is something that's being discussed right now It is it is something that's on our radar will be watching this for crashes for Near you know near crashes things like that and and assessing it from there. I've got it. So, near route across the top signal there, you can burn greasy and armen on the right side. They're basically just like loads. Yeah. Just let them pull in and only let them then go out at the north. Oh, that's great. Yeah, we have a raised median that ends right here. That could be extended to the north of the drive. And that becomes the right end right there, at that point. Because I'm there all the, I get a DNR all the time and I get my nails done over there. So that'll be crazy with all the next traffic with another gas station. I was going right there. I need that other intersection really before I think you could probably do that. Yep. I always say that or at least an extension of the boat. No, it's a person who will turn left out of there. That's what I'm always like. Yeah, being alright, I usually go. I'll think we'll have to be in the heart. Right, I think so. You can cross the port lines for that. Yeah, if you're right there, it's okay, but you're right if you're up. I I live back that way. I slept right. Dave, did you have anything else you wanted to add to that? A lot of businesses there. I don't know how that was. I'm high post. We revisit that with Hawthide, they would have interest, or even the group of businesses there. I don't know how that worked. It was, I will say that it was driven on the Chick-fil-A side because they really wanted access to South Street. And even though they did not get that because it looked at access there, it was really, but that's a point, because Chick-fil-A is a signage and access and knowing that you've got to turn before getting to it. So that was what Chick-fil-A was trying to resolve, and it's quite possible to talk allies who had the same issue and could participate if that issue still exists or was actually created in still exists. But great slides of public programs, so really the contribution from Popeyes would be, would be is that they control the Eastland that was created for chickfalling and moved out. Right, so that's letting you know kind of what we're thinking for that location, not really wanting a vote or anything today. He just jurewinn from Bob's house over here. Yeah. We're going to leave soon. Yeah. This one over here. I'm pretty sure there's a zoning violation we could probably look at. I've got a accessory dwelling unit in your backyard. Okay, anything else? I'm kind of moving on. Moving yard. Oh. OK, anything else? I'm kind of moving on. Moving on. Cardi Lane and IU hospital entrance. Yes. I'm on the right. So the Cardi Lane entrance is the one that we're talking about. They do have two entrances that are both non-signalized and not and they're their one-way stop control. One on veterans, a more real parkway. The other one on Mkarty Lane There's been requests for us to consider doing something here because there's been a couple serious crashes there. And the speeds are relatively high. I'm Cardi Lane. We did pull while we asked for crash reports. We didn't get real. We didn't, there weren't very many. And I think that that may be not because there's not a lot of crashes here, but because sometimes those crashes get attributed to the nearby intersection, which would be Veterans Memorial Parkway and McCarty Lane, which I'm sure does have more crashes than this particular driveway. So some of those crashes we may not have seen because they may be attributed to that intersection. They may also be attributed to the private property since it goes right into the parking lot. I'm assuming you got it from us at APC. No, we asked the police directly for those. Is that two lane or is it four it? It's for it. It's for it. And that's another thing. We were looking at it from the standpoint of what if we did do a temporary always stop here just how would we handle the different movements and the left turn lane. This is right in the the taper from the 5-lane second to add the left turn lane, this is right in the taper from the five lane section to add the left turn to get to go southbound on Veterans Memorial Parkway. But the taper, it's tapering away right here in this drive. So this right here, this yellow gourd area, is not wide enough for a full turn lane. So what that means is we would have we would still have two lanes and that inside lane would be a through lane or a left turn into the hospital. Any idea what the cause of the accident or because I don't recall there being any type of an happening visual might about there when you pull out there. Any idea? Is it because of the four lanes? People get confused? Rua. I think that's part of it. I think some of it may be the state of mind that people are in leaving the hospital. Whether they were patients Yeah, we had no room. I don't see anything. Yeah, this is what you see when you're in. And the speeds are relatively high on the Cardi lane there. The exit ramp is 65 still in discussion. It is down the road from there. Yes, we're actively working on that right now with that. I think we bring more traffic into there. It would, but it also would bring an opportunity to do something with this particular driveway as part of that project. So when that's built and when the ramps are built, something permanent could happen here. What is the speed going through there right now? The 45? Yeah, it's post-45. I mean you. That's exactly right, though. If it's post-45, it probably. I read like that. But if you go further east at county road 550 East, there is an always stop there, which makes me think that we're not introducing a lot of additional traffic between here and this particular drive. So it makes me think that if we were to make this and always stop, that an always stop would be able to handle the level of traffic that we currently have there. It sounds like that will be a temporary fix until they get the interchange figured out. Right. So I'm really open to feedback, but my inclination is to try and always stop at this location. Of course, we would work with the hospital before doing something like that. And I believe that the original request that we had may not have been directly from the hospital, but they were from people affiliated with the hospital. We're looking for a motion or put it out there for the discussion or. Whatever I mean you think that's the best route to go. Right now I do. I'd rather not try to put speed bumps or anything like that on McCarty Lane right there. So that that would obviously slow the traffic but there's a there's enough traffic on that drive that people wouldn't blow through the stop sign because there's nobody there. There's enough traffic there that they're regularly see people on the driver's approach. Looking at flashing stop light then, you get attention or we would put red flashers on top of the stop sign. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. What does the street lighting look like out there? Is it there possible to add that too? It is sparse. Yeah. If I let me... the the We have some there's there's there's there's some lighting on the drive itself but it's more it's it's more focused on the drive It's not focused on the intersection and then And that is a good question could we get into the place Illuminar on one of their polls or something out there I know it's gonna walk I was going back to the intersection because of your question. I remember. Yeah, no. It does get dark out here. And what we are doing on new traffic signals, we're putting luminaires on every single pole. So we would have, if this was a new signal, we'd have four luminaires out there. And like, if you go by minards in the Y, that new traffic signal, you can kind of see what we do for new traffic signals. And I'm not saying we couldn't retrofit like these this style the span catenary and tether not not the massed arms these are easier to retrofit with luminaires after the fact. So I guess your recommendation is we give you a motion to take that into a three-way style. Right. Home. Home favorite. I. You pose. Okay. the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22nd streets. You just be having kids, you know. That's a good thing. And I'm here to talk about 18th and I've asked Dave to talk about his observances over on 22nd street. I'll talk about 18th street first. On 18th street we still have several issues related to the obviously the pickup and especially drop off in the morning times. And the drop off and pickup area on 18th street is there someone at the school that we could talk to a little more? Well, yeah, I'm with the members. I'm kind of in charge of that, but I do remember the crossing guards with people that are out there, we don't, that's the police department, we don't have them. Sure. So you're actually closer? Sure. Yeah, no, So, but yeah, I can different. Let me get you. Let me get you who's doing it. One of our assistant principals usually takes those dismissal and you know reception duties on. I don't would but I'll find out. Get it to you. Okay, because there's a couple of things like one. Last year, nobody parked in front of the school on 18th Street this year. There's been a couple of cars every single day. Parked out there all day long. And so that really hinders the drop off along there, but that I don't know if somebody had a reasoning for that. The placement of the cars is kind of close to where you have that loop drive at Jeff High School, where people are exiting. The cars is kind of close to there, and I wonder if it is to keep the view shut open maybe. So if that's what it is, we could do some yellow paint and some no parking right there at the end and take care of that situation but also help with some of the traffic flow there. Also I think we talked about this before. between Cassusri and I at Drive, there is no pedestrian crossing where you have a push button or anything. And to me, that's a higher priority than the night street situation that we were talking about because in the morning, I've seen kids just dash across in front of cars, sometimes they're on bikes, sometimes they're running. I mean, it's just sometimes I've driven by them, dropped my daughters off and then driven back by and they're still standing on the side of the road trying to get across. They're not willing to walk down to high it, which is a long way out of your way if you're coming back to Jeff. So we I feel like that there's a situation along there that we need to deal with. And we have Nick and I have talked quite a bit about what could be done. And it typically centers around Logan Avenue, Logan Avenue is just north of the school there and it's a heavily used collector road between ninth and 18th Street. And we were thinking maybe something like an RRFB or a full-sick traffic signal at that particular location. Either one would allow, well the RFB would bring attention. The signal would stop traffic and allow students that are on the west side of the road to make it the east side of the road and not have to go down to high-at-drive and crossover and come back. So that's kind of what we're thinking about 18th Street. I don't know that I need a motion right now for that. Didn't we say we pull the interest that you're your spot? Yeah sorry. That would would that would run him across basically on that sidewalk. Round. Yes. OK. Well, what am I doing? I can find my way around when I know where North is. Right? You don't I would. I'd have it all the way. So here's Jeff and to Comsa. And then here's the old Hithian home site. And then here's Logan Avenue. Right. minutes, into the next step that Northwest corner of the fifth year. There's a good sidewalk there, great sidewalks. Yeah. If you put a traffic signal up there, would there be backup for when the kids or everybody's leaving the school and be lined up that distance there. Because I know 18th Street at school time is crazy. It's definitely a concern. The last two mornings, or whatever reason, we come across Stanford, which is right here, only because I've tried Logan and sometimes you can be sitting at our deep on Logan. wait there for a off. So it's it is the concern. We'll go to the full light. That's far enough in each direction for the first time. So we'll be here on stand for then. Usually but traffic has been backed up from the school past stand for the last two mornings. For drop off. So it's it is the concern. If we went with a full light, that's far enough in each direction. For the suits and the teeth, it really would mess with things. Would it be a long one? No, we might have to do like a temporary timing plan during school drop off. It's a mess all the to help, but. I guess the honest touch will get time all. Yeah, I like. I really was there wasn't a way to cross that will come, you know, I mean, yeah, it's I mean, it's I it's here. I never mean, that would be the best way to guarantee safety for the children. Absolutely. We're being... Yeah, I'd be in favor of that too. I'd be grateful like it's right there. It's your fur enough away from either the others. Like I said, get a pedestrian interval signal. Yeah, and if he could do the temporary, or the time, I mean, to... Yeah, the issue. You guys are inbound. We're. We've got it time to certain way and outbound. We've got it time to a different way. Yeah. It's more efficient for outbound traffic so that we're not. So that we're not causing the issues that Cindy was talking about. Yeah. So again, I'm not looking for emotion on this one quite yet because we're still scoping out like how that would work and thought that we had some, we had identified some signal parts that we maybe can make this work. Old puses and parts from the 9th Street Street's gave from Ferry and Maine. We'll be saving those and have signal pulls and mast arms. That would work at 18th and Logan. So we have to verify that those would indeed work at this location and things like that. So I just wanted to talk about this. And then Dave happens to have a daughter that's going to Cumpsa and he's over here on 22nd Street. Jeff, how are you sorry, I knew this. He is a freshman. Yes, and I see it every morning because I write at the city bus and that's my bus stop. And when the new school times are actually school times, I'm for Jeff and Jeff and Jeff, I think they open their doors at 7.30 which is about right when I'm getting on the bus. So I'm sitting here to observe 15 minutes of absolute chaos. Oh, no. We're young. That's sorry. I hate people. No, we can go out tonight. Yeah. 15 minutes of absolute chaos. I don't know where to start. So it's going to start. So it's become a drop off. And it's also the main, but there are the only bus centers. When you say drop off, you mean parents will stay on 22nd drop off right there and continue on 22nd. Yeah, okay. So in the morning they put the barricade here and the school I believe has two people there making sure buses get in and out. So the they're making sure that only buses are going in and cars are dropping off. So cars are coming from the north and killing an electric turn lane to go through here, loop around, come back in so they're coming out here as well. I have seen the left turn link you all went back to too. I don't know how far it cues going to the north on 22nd. But it gets so bad now that people are now using this through movement, say, no. So it will have cars backed up in the private parking lot to take advantage of the through light. You got the left strands primarily trying to cross at this. My daughter is coming from the south so they are what she is wanting to cross here. You've got the left turn and people waiting in the left turn, you've come. Long periods of time, so they're running red lights. I'm the left turn. She's almost been hit at these ones. And that's, you know, you're sitting here. Now I know it's hard to start with you but you know, when she has the SOT, when she's got a walk signal, and the car just does SOT, because they're wanting to get in and out, to get their kid out. That's kind of the breaking point for me, because it's really gonna happen since the first of the year or when the school year started, when we had, you know, when I've seen all these issues. But to stand here today,'m parking on. Great read. And turn it there. Yeah. I'm wondering if we enforced a different pattern through there for the vehicular traffic. Yeah, that's true. Part of this discussion. I mean, that's something we can do pretty much by this year. I don't think we can do it this spring but One thing that we also talk about too is at one point there was we thought there was gonna be a sidewalk along from here to here Because one thing that Has worked are the times when they're able to, the kids are able to talk to the folks getting the buses in and out. For a lot of them come back here. The one lady will help resolve issues there, but I don't know that that's necessarily her goal. We don't have a crossing card there. Yeah, I mean, the crossing card there had been issues at 18 conti, we're from the crossing there because we've been in Dodd. I get a little bit later, but we've had issues there. So, yeah, 18th and teal. Our 22nd teal, there's a crossing guard. There's a chapter two at 18th and teal. And two at 18th and teal. There could be one here. Hermione, there's definitely a need for one here. The kids like to go to the VB before school, and then they walk down this parking lot, and then they pass by across here. I think you do have some maybe that are coming from the north, that cross the north flight. But that's really a lot of the conflict occurs. There's kids who have the crosswalk. They get it after the lot of turn goes red, but then you have people that still want to turn luck and get through there. And then the other conflict is when kids are walking this way, you got the cars sitting through and then want to make that right turn and they just start. It's cool. That's when the lady actually gets out of the car. When you can. The tricky, I don't know about the afternoon because my drop off in the afternoon is actually well after school. It just happens in the morning to go inside of time-wise. And it's only, I mean, if you're there at some 15, you don't see anything. If you're there at some 45, it's like, there's no no crack. So it's a very small window, but it's very intense. So there's probably some good things we can talk about with school folks. But I don't know what to do. Yeah, I know that there's cross-strands that are normalized. They follow the police and we have a contract with a company across safe and they're a real response that they got to provide their social spend. Really good to have some of the problems. Let me bring the issue up with our physical plant guy. I mean, honestly, to be, you know, I fully agree with you on this. I almost think we ought to just cut off that little jog right there and just totally isolate the bus entrance versus automobiles and just prohibit cars from coming in and force them to go in and out on Gregory. And that that would isolate the two different kinds of traffic. And, you know, I don't think this is a school issue at all. I've worked in that shopping center for 25 years. Can I say it? And it's the same problem that's in schools. It's the parents. Parents, there are over 100 parents that will park in those lots and drop their kids off. And whether those kids go to the BP, whether they go to school, where they go anywhere, I really don't know if they care or not. But the problem is, is all the people that are parking over there, and it's not the police department, it's not the school. It's mom and dad trying to get their kid from point A to point B without a hassle. And it's like, yeah, like, I'm going to go and I have a part of the reading. Yeah, and that's the thing, it's not, you know, there's no guidance. There's no guidance for these young people to say, okay, I'm dropping you off. Go to school. Yeah, and I didn't think we were gonna solve anything on 22nd Street today. That's and there used to be a lot of air. I know that there's too much. Years ago, wasn't there a light? There before they redid everything? The light works. Okay. It's just that we got so many people. Oh, I see. I don't know if there was a light there. Okay, I if there was a good light. It's after I was installed in 94 after one of my classmates died dead in a section. Yeah. Or 93. Which one is that? That intersection we're talking about is the parking lot. OK, all set. Just traffic lights. I guess my best friend, I hope He used to hang out at Gregory in 20 second all the time. She lived on the corner. Amy, originally. Remember when they loved everything. Bill. Yeah, controlling the traffic and limiting the bus's entrance to that and that alone would, I think, I would be a step in the right direction. I do too. Looks, you know, just hearing the discussion is not the shot under here. If we could isolate automotive traffic and bus traffic to two different spots, I think that would add to the general safety. Let me report back to your path. Bob, is this. He was a snake of 26. I'll sit for that. All right. Thank you. Hey. Next item is the requested top sign of wallvation home street. Hey, let me. I think there was a church involved too. Wasn't there a lot of sign-ins? Yeah, it was a church that was the requesting that. No, it's not. Right here. This is the church building. Right here. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, the one that had a hair cap fish painted on it. the there for an always stop. We looked at Speedzone, W wall bash avenue. They are high. They're running about 40 and the posted speed limit is 25. So we said we would look at some ideas here and come back to the group. And my initial thought was what if we did some bump outs in this vicinity, but then we've got to worry about drainage. And right here we have inlets right at the corner, both corners. So the bump outs would have to allow for water to flow through them basically to get to the inlets if we were to even if we were to put them upstream. So that's one thing we noticed. We also looked at the width of the road. The road is only 32 feet wide. parking is currently allowed on both sides of the street. So if you do any kind of math with this, that doesn't really work. Because if you do a typical parking lane is 8 feet wide. So two times 8, 16, you're only left with 16 feet. So that's two 8 foot travel lanes. That's not wide enough. And then even if you went to seven foot parking lanes which are narrow, you're only left with two nine foot travel lanes which is we don't have, we don't have that anywhere else in the city. The most narrow ones are probably ten feet and they're downtown. So... And with the rain truck there, it's a one away street. Yes. They've backed up all the way down. I go to St. Anne's and my brother lives on the south end, so a lot of times I'll take that from the north, you know, out there. And I hate you right, it's like when they're parked on both sides, even a car, I mean, it's like, you feel like you're going to hit like this. My initial thinking was like something like we've done on other streets like State Street where we striped the outside lane line to make it feel like it's a narrower lane. But if you do that, you're right in the parking lane. You're not at the edge of the parking lane. You're almost centered or a quarter of the way into the parking area. So that and Nick told me that that would be nearly impossible without telling people a no parking on a certain day to be able to come back and respite. So and I'm not trying to change the parking right now. That's, I would go to parking commission for that anyway, but my, so my proposal after talking with Nick is that we do try to do some sort of bump outs, but we use the linear posts to do that. So those are just those like you can get them in yellow or other colors too with some reflective tape on them. And you wouldn't use a full car, a car with and we would basically make the lanes 10 and a half foot on either side of the center line and then we would just come out with a bump out so that we've got, we're leaving 21 feet because if there's no cars parked along there you've got 16 foot wide lanes and that's why people are blasting through there so if we're able to neck it down in a location close to this particular crosswalk then we feel like we're gonna slow cars down. Why are you against them always back there? It's the traffic driving. Yeah, there's I think we had what three vehicles an hour or something. It was saying we love very, very low volume. And people do speed down to their right. Right. And what happens? It's easy to do. What happens when you do that if you don't have very much traffic on the side street is people realize there's almost never a car there. They do the, I've heard it at what a California rolling stop they just kind of roll through it. It's a bomb downy stop. That's what we call it round the box. Bomb downing. Stuck. Stuck. Sorry Bob. We started on you. We're going to end on you, Bob. I'm just saying. Stick shift stop. Yeah. Yeah. Understanding the need for this or the request for the stop sign there. I guess I don't quite understand. Yeah. Because they are parking on the other side of people are going to start a street walk back. Or they go into the park down the road. What's the reasoning for that? were that you know well they said that they that well there's a bus stop here or one and they also that they, well, there's a bus stop here, or one. And they also, when they have services, they have kids running around in the parking lot and stuff, or maybe out on the sidewalk, and their concern is that people are driving so fast through there that there's going to be an incident sometime in the future. And so by trying to slow the traffic on wall bash, I think that maybe doesn't 100% answer what they're wanting, but it does help with the concerns that they have if we could slow traffic on wall bash. And we also did not necessarily want to put any kind of speed humps or anything here. This is a snow emergency route. And you've got all the trucks that use it. So it doesn't. Or what? Yeah. Would the excuse my vernacular, I was paying attention to our RFB, would that be an apagol place to use that? Or is that not helping slow traffic down? That's more for just crossing and forgive me for bringing that up. I don't look it again. I mean, it's always applicable. I add a pedestrian crossing. Well, I say always, add it to lane pedestrian crossing. RRFB makes sense. If you get more than, if you say get four lanes, sometimes you'll get people yielding in one lane, but the people in the other lane don't see them. So then we don't use our RFBs in those situations. But this situation, it could potentially be a solution. But what I just heard from you is that they're concerned about the kids playing out front, round on that netness here across. So would that be make sense to put something like that up with the little amount of that. That's a good point that they're not they this particular concern was not crossing traffic. It was more. on site and the fast they're moving. Yes. I don't know if it played a well cop car. We get what I like. Can we get some of those? No, we don't have squad cars. We do do that at E-quick. Yeah, part one right there. No use that'm going to use that. That's why I was speaking. I mean, he did. There is a bus stop there. There is and so there could be crossing traffic. That wasn't part of the initial request, but there could be. So what about the sign that always annoys me and measures my speed and flashes and tells me to slow down and shadelin? Would that be acceptable? And I don't know cost. I'm just spitballing things out there. So what are those run for a couple of those? I'm not pretty salty. About $8,000. It's about $8,000 for two of those. I know it gets my attention. It causes me to slow down every time I run through shape. So it's the flashing light, and you're speeding and it's slow down, record your speed. I do feel like those are making a difference on greasy lane actually. How do I count the most about those? I've noticed, I drive through there, not all the time but pretty often and I watch to see how people react. I'll even watch in my rear view mirror to see what people are doing in the opposite direction and it'll start out red and then they'll slow it down and they'll and it'll be green so you can I do think those are changing people's behavior. I want to sit on Brady. I watched it quite a bit and it is working, but there's basically that time thing, you know, right after work or something, you might, but most of the time it works. I might get that. I guess my only thought was if there's, like you said, this isn't what was brought why this we're talking about this because that's not why the conversation started but if there's a bus stop to there that needs you know I'm not trying to discount their concerns with the kids right in the parking lot but that's a pretty established neighborhood. I don't know how much that best stops use. I guess either I would have to ask, but if it is, then I feel like. So that's something that we could go to city bus and we could ask the question. Yeah, I mean, then maybe we should go ahead and put the cross. They know who's using what bus stops. Maybe the RFB would be a better, you know? I mean, I don't, I'm just throwing it. I'm just not going down. So we'll continue to, we'll go find out from City bus if that's a heavily used stop or it's our I don't know. I'm thinking it's a heavier use stop just because they don't typically put in a shelter. Oh yeah. That's good. Unless it is a heavier. Unless somebody said we going to pay for it then they'll do it. So yeah, that's what we'll do is that's how we'll move forward on this one is we'll find out how many people are using the bus stop and if it's not very many then we'll look get something that is more toward slowing the traffic. That's good. Okay. Okay. We want to your report with third and fourth street changing them one way. Yeah. I just wanted to report that we had, you know, there's people who like it and people who don't like it. I get that. I know there was some talk amongst ourselves before the meeting even started. But we had major concerns about how traffic would handle it on opening day and we had I think what six different police officers out there we had signage everywhere and as we converted it over it just worked I mean it was smooth that we had no incidents whatsoever that that's my understanding. We can't cancel the that's your role. The office. Nice. We did have. We did put an always stop on horse street at. Cincinnati because if you're northbound on third street and need to get a continue northbound, that's where you will that's your last opportunity to turn and go over to Forest Street and get and be northbound. So we put an always stop there and we did have people not noticing that, even though we had flasters on it. And we put a stop ahead sign, we added that later. And we did have officers sitting there giving people warnings. The day of the poll, they come where the polls in front of the stops. Yeah. Yeah. This is the day of the change they set out. They pulled people over and said, hey, we're always stopped. Yeah. You need to have to stop. Yeah. We had a friend that was driving through there and she got pulled over and warned. I've almost blown through it myself, so I get it. But I think people are getting used to it and it seems to be working nicely. So. The biggest complaint of it is, it really kept down the opportunity for good drag racing and you can't find a good place anymore. Well, that wasn't right there. That's kind of what we were trying. And what you can do, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah. And, pardon me. So, on horse tree. You know, I know I hate to say this takes the parking out. But if you created a right-hand line there, and I also know that it'd be carving back that all brand new bump out there, but I'll tell you what, you come across through the truck trailer and it's very difficult to make that turn. I've seen tractor trailers run totally up over that thing, trying to negotiate that turn. The other one I would say is turning left from north on fourth onto Columbia to go west toward campus in heavy traffic in the morning, that backs up through the light and kind of dominoes back further south on the forest street there. And maybe if you lost the parking over on the one side, kind of spread those lanes that made the left turn lane a little longer, that might be a useful thing to continue to study. You know in there I said that the traffic headed you know over campus I think personally has been impeded. Is that because of the construction that's there right now because it's very narrow they're already talking about about right there in front of them. No, I'm talking about red div on four, between Colombians and South. Oh, four, four. Okay, gotcha. No, I just think we can maybe still do that a little bit better. All right. Like I said, I'd like to take a little deeper look at that. I said, I realized that some of that would be swiping parking to fix. But we made this big change. I mean, let's make it right. That's something we can continue to look into. OK. You heard any complaints about that stretch of Alabama in one way. You know how to turn the blade. So there's traffic in both directions. Correct. So what you're making is certain movements to get on. On. done about to I'm going to. You're saying. Something that there's something there is one. That. Unless you're talking about if you're heading eastbound on Alabama towards four street and you have the designated right turn to just flow out on the four street. No, we haven't. I haven't gotten any complaints about that. But that is something Jeremy and I have talked luckily there was nobody coming. I had this work over. Over. It's. Part of it is just a big. Use that. Yeah, this right turn by fast. Yeah, so that's the upside currently correct or no, is that a yield? That's a yield. That's still OK. Yeah. And before all you had to do is just kind of look around. And if there was no traffic sitting here and nobody coming here, well, not you didn't even have to worry about the northbound. So it was really if somebody was sitting here or not, if they weren't, then this was just pretty much a free flow before. Now you do have to make sure to look for southbound traffic. It was one way northbound. I'll tell you that. On the other hand, I would tell you that I always looked for that traffic. Yes. There were people that, you know, would come in and get confused and, you know, come, they'd see the traffic going south of Block Later and think that they could just turn and do it there. I almost got clipped there once but somebody going the wrong way down the 53. And we've had a number of wrong way people driving southbound and getting to south street and you before you didn't have a signal hide there. So they've just come through and not see the traffic on South Street and end up almost into the region's bank there on the corner a couple times. Major, I mean injury crashes, major ones. Well the South East Department of Southwest corner one is the one I'm talking about there. Works really well. of a lock back going on the third street. You got that right hand lane there. Yes, but on south in between that block right, that's all parking. You got that bump out. So you're making people either go straight ahead or turn. And again, that's that's restricted. Yeah. And you said you've seen trucks trying to make that turn? Yep. Ouch. Yeah. Yeah, it would be better if they would say on third, on third, yeah. They could easily negotiate that. I agree. There's no telling what human beings are going to do. Right. Like I said, I've seen trucks, you know, with the trailer overrun that. And I've tried to make that term with just my douche neck trailer pickup truck. It's, uh, I use all, all the planes without jumping. For. Yeah, I think that's why I think we pulled that stop bar back some Double yellow to the That was if you had a third lane in there, it was the right lane, only. I think that would be beneficial. Just repeat what you did, the block for. That's something we can take a look at. All right. Hey, Veterans, Markway. Veterans Memorial Parkway, US 52 to State Route 38. I just wanted to report that we are open to four lanes now. We are awaiting traffic signal at County Road 460, which is where the West Side Tractor is and Milestone contractors. There's going to be a traffic signal there that should be coming in March, April timeframe. And then also we will be putting street lighting similar to what we did west of Sagamore Parkway along Veterans Memorial Parkway. Those lights are to come in even later in the summer. So if you drive through there, you'll see the foundations are already there, the wires are already pulled, they're just waiting for the poles to come in. That's my update there. And then, Archeese, Volivar, I just wanted to the continues. They're going to work on sewers, water, storm sewers through the winter. And then you'll start seeing road construction and trail construction next year on Park East Boulevard between McCarty Lane and Agriety Lane. Construction is continuing. And then Sagamore Parkway Trail is now open. We held the ribbon cutting, point ribbon cutting with City of West Lafayette because they had just recently opened their side. They're a Sagamore Parkway trail that comes down alongside Sagamore Parkway and then goes underneath of the two Sagamore Parkway bridges and loops up to the eastbound bridge and then when in-dot reconstructed that bridge, they placed a ten-foot wide trail portion that we connected. West Lafayette connected to with their project. And then we picked up on the other side of the bridge and continued over to ninth street. And that's a really nice trail piece now. So just make everybody aware. There are still some punch list items we're working on, minor ones. Like they didn't have enough favors to put in the trail nodes and so they put some gravel in one of those just waiting on the favors to get here, that kind of thing, but it is open. And then the 10th Street traffic calming circles. On the surface. I just wanted to make everybody aware. Now that we're done, we've finished the second one this year. See if I can quickly get over there. Well, there we go. There's one. Okay, so these are miniature roundabouts. Is the comming circle up? Yeah, so the intention is not really to change the control at all at the intersection. It's really for those people that were blasting through there, now they kind of have to avoid something on their path. So if you're headed northbound here, you can kind of see the tracks of the vehicles kind of have to veer out to miss the circle. So we didn't change stop signs. Basically the control stayed the same. We just flopped the circle down in the in the center of the road there. I don't know if it's in the street view or not. Yeah, there it is. We put the street name signs in it on a decorative pole. And then we have the one-way circulation signs and then also some banners for the neighborhood. and none of coal. And then we have the, you know, the one way circulation signs and then also some banners for the neighborhood. And none of that's been hit by vehicles or cars. Yes. It has. Um, how long? Not the banner. I was with them like the first month. Okay. How long we had that? Now, how long is this comming circle been in play a couple years or Two years I believe this one and then we just added one at The Elizabeth intersection me here And that one yeah within the first Mon yeah, somebody hit it as well but we don't have the and we did have a poll up in the first month. Yeah, somebody hit it as well. But we don't have the and we did have a pull up in the center, but we didn't have the banner arms on it. So it's not white is inspicuous. So those are that's going to be added. Well, it is that. Pardon? Well, lit is that. We have one around. They had to do put a street light. Okay. I think there was already one and we put a second one in there. Up around street. I don't remember how many there are at Elizabeth. So just, you know, another tool just slowed down traffic. My daughter's principal. tool to slow down traffic. My daughter's principal open high school. She really appreciates someone who does but she said it's actually slow traffic on this. Good. Nice. That's good to hear. All right. That's not aware of anybody here for public comments. So, meeting requests for being to adjourn. Move, move, die. I can lie. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. We're supposed to do this. Hold up, so. I'll have a skin a little bit. Enjoy your light reading tonight. Have a good evening, reports.