Thank you. Thank you. All right. In the city about a real estate children, where the commission is regular. It's March 26 to 25. It is 530. I would like to call the meeting to order. We have and in the jail of a forest do have a motion to adopt some of that was Lisa do all second. Second. We were choice. All right, can we show comments? We shall start with commissioner. Yep. I'm wearing these glasses because my regular ones broke. I'm not. It's kind, really thing. It's just, yeah. But I think said that, I think what's making me happy this week is the fact that someday I want to meet somebody to exchange something out and talk with those and the person had never been to Avendale but he said, my wife have that on our list, we keep needing to get down there and they live in Buckhead and I was just really impressed that you know we're on their list and also if you get a chance It's Ronald heaven, Toco Hills, Tase Gray, the Fox Brothers. Up there. Yeah. Thank you. I'm sure Smith. Yeah. Commissioner short tell and I had a commissioner chat last Monday. I'm sure police has got some great notes on that. No. No. It's one to thank everybody for coming out. There was a lot of great ideas exchanged. You know, I learned a lot of the citizens learned a lot as well. So I just encourage everybody to continue engaging with us as much as possible. Come to these commissioner chats. They're advertised on the city news. It really gives you an opportunity to spend. I mean, we were there for two hours, just talking about issues of the day. So a lot better format to kind of let us know what's on your mind, let us know what's important to you, because rather than, you know, these work meetings for usually dealing with the agenda items. So, Commissioner Chats are a great opportunity for everybody to kind of get to know your commissioners and just let your voice be heard. So I encourage everybody to attend as many as possible. Thank you. Commissioner Raid. I'm gonna follow Commissioner Lerot's lead and just mention something that made me happy about our city this about two weeks ago. My daughter had the chance to meet the mayor of Atlanta, Andre Dickens, and some land of conversation, road diets came up, and so she, he asked, if anyone doing a road diet was, she raised her hand and said, oh, I knew we were doing one in my city and said, oh, where do you go out and she said, I have a day of stay, and said, oh, about that. And so even though we're moving through the road guide, it's already reaping some benefits, hopefully, for everybody's learning abundance. That's all we have. But thank you all for coming out tonight. If I may interject, too, just something that is pretty neat about Aventail as well. I didn't think about it until you guys spoke briefly, but I don't know if you guys know of Lefty Lees over in all of them pine, great little eatery there, but really neat, they had Guy Fieri down there last week filming his diners, drive-ins and dives. So look for Vivian and Lefty Lees in a future episode. Hopefully, don't know. I guess if they filmed they're definitely going to be on TV at some point. But please don't forget about all of them. I'm there's a lot of great businesses there and check out Lefty Lee's if you have the opportunity. Absolutely. Mayor Brote? Yeah. Well, I'm going to jump on Lionel's comments as well. I mean, my husband works sometimes in Buckhead and stuff. And people there know about Avandale States. And they're like, oh, yeah, we like to come over to Oman Pami. We like to come over to Oman. So yes, we're on the map. I think that is pretty cool when you meet someone who's heard about Avandelle states and you're like, why would you have heard about Avandelle states? Somebody's doing something right. So speaking of that, I would like to give a shout out to our communications folks. For the incredible newsletter, I had multiple residents tell me how great they thought the news was and how great they thought the most you know our newsletters have become so I just wanted to give a shout out on that and also on the great sustainability presentation. that is available on YouTube at Avender TV. Avender States TV, if you wanna watch it and you can learn all about what the city, I know some folks were here for the presentation at the last meeting, but there's even more information on this presentation and you can learn all about what the city is doing to improve our sustainability. I also just wanted to mention there's lots of events coming up at this time of the year. Don't forget about weekend line down concerts on the town green and there's a bunch of other stuff. Just you can you can find out what what events are happening on the website. Thank you. And thanks to like and Lisa for doing the commission chat. Appreciate you doing that. That's always good. And just thanks to everybody for being so patient with our projects. You're on schedule, they're moving around. They will be moving around. So just thanks again for your patience because I know it's a bit of a slow and coarse out there sometimes. but that's it for me, Mr. Manager. Yes, the fact that it's getting the 18 month period is over by the end of the year. So we've continued to stay on schedule. That Sunday is the end of 24th. Right. Yes. And the public analysis. Yo, guys, the town of Green is back next Tuesday. Presented by a variety of studio from six to seven and sponsored by the homegrown team. So please grab your maps and head to the town green for some fun. Yo, an instruction. And then next Sunday, April six, Mr. Johnson's music is doing their extravaganza spelled e-g-g. At the town of Green from three to four 30, the event includes a free baby music class, Easter Bunny photo ops and more. Couple of other housekeeping items that I wanted to bring to your attention. It did me one and second. Today began the construction project at Fletcher Park. We have scheduled striping crews to come back and do the re-striping of new traffic calming measures as agreed by the board on April 21st. We'll have more clear plans for that striping. That we can communicate to you by the time you have your first April meeting so that we can all be prepared for what's going to happen. We also are likely to begin construction on the Dumbler Drive project, either the V-Able 7 or 4 of the 14. So we will have two new capital projects in Dumbler, Dundee, and Fletcher Park, a resumption of the traffic calming project and of course, 27. We also provided TVG with their demolition permit. You may have noticed some environmental contractors out at the site today getting the site ready for demolition. So that's happening soon. So a lot of things going on in the city, the spring, and we hope that all of it is subject staying on schedule and we don't have any unnecessary delays for the discovery of any additional infrastructure underneath these projects that need to be addressed. Other than that, that's all I mean. That's enough, thank you. Yes. Appreciate it. All right, I'll go to here. Okay. All right, I'm going to say we'll have some meeting minutes here. So we have the meeting minutes of the March 12, 2025, railing and the March 12, 2025 war session. Do I have a motion to engross them in its limit? That was right. Do I have a second? Second. That was my all of them say, I, I, okay. I, the first and only real, I love consideration. Run second. No. Okay. Um, there are no motions to consider use of facility. Facilities use agreement with the cab count and word of education and elections for a premium pre-suit. You saw that. Uh, that was grand. Do I have a second? Second, I was Mike. Manager, could you expand on this move? So every so often we are required to enter into an agreement for the use of City Hall as a precinct for the cap county run elections. So with this agreement essentially it's spelled out the dates of those potential elections which require you to submit the facility for use on those dates and then stimulates a $250 fee that will be owed to the city for each of those dates that are utilized for. Okay. Well, let's go to somewhat previous things. So, um, any comments, questions up here? Any comments, questions out there? That's great. Any other one? Okay, seeing that, I'd like to bring it back for a vote I'll say aye. That's five. I'll come in. Jan. Yeah, I hope you're 89, Berkeley. Just made a remind folks when this day in the city address. Oh, you're going to have a. April. April said there was two. Oh, we. Today. Oh, Wednesday. Yes, it's next Wednesday at 6 p.m. at the A-Bon Theater, formerly known as the Town Sinomot. The A-Bon Theater is actually the original name of the facility. So bestivities will include an update of DDA activities from Chairman Deeters, the state of the city address from mayor Elwar and a performance by Commissioner Mike Smith's phone secret band to include. So we are also having street tacos provided by Santa. So please come and listen to all of the information that we will divide you and the sweet sounds of Seagrard. Thank you, Jan. What's running? Bill, yes. Bill Hobering and I'm working road. I noticed today driving in town that curbing is visible, completed on the edge of the road diet. And some of the sidewalk, multi use path area is being graded down. And it looks really nice. It looks like at all in the last it actually looks like there is some visible, tangible visible progress on that on the complete screen project and I'm looking forward to seeing more up in there. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, there was quite a bit of underground stuff that had to be done, which is, you know, not very exciting, but it takes time and has to be done. So yeah, thank you. Any else? Anybody here? Okay. All right. Seeing none, I'd like to bring the backup here. Do I have a motion to enjoy? Okay. All right. Seeing none, I'd like to bring the bike up here. Do I have a motion to adjourn? That was the last little off second. Second. I was Laurel. I'm going to say aye. I'm all good. I'm all good. Okay. So, work session. This is a city. We have a safe studio. Work session, this is March 26, 225. What time is it? 543. I would like to call the meeting to order. We have an agenda for us to have a motion to adopt. That was Lisa, do I have a second? Man. Oh, sorry. Before we do that, strike that. We're going to remove the bulk waste discussion, right? The city manager is indicated to me that we really don't have all the information we need to have a meaningful discussion about that. Next meeting. Next meeting. Right, so apologize for that, just weren't quite ready and didn't want to discuss that without all the information we need. So do I have a motion to remove item number five, continued raise discussion from the agenda? Somebody. Do I have a second? That was Graham, second, right? Any questions, concerns up here? I mean, questions, concerns out there? Okay. They have a motion to remove that from the agenda. So I mean, do I have, I'm saying I should have a hand. Hi. So, do I have a motion to adopt the agenda as amended? That was at least a zero second second. That was a lot of autoprom sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. As you all know, we have had an item included in our capital program for several years now to develop a city by brand for the purposes of which will be explained essentially by the firm that we have chosen to recommend for this project. And so I don't wanna step on those those because they'll do much better. It makes jobs explaining, branding than either. However, just a bit of background context. That's how we arrived at this moment. A couple of months ago released a request for proposals for this initiative and received 22 response. So it took us more time than we ever imagined to hash through those proposals to narrow that field down to those we would like to interview to find out, we believe would be the best fit for this project moving forward. We have completed that process and are now cited to recommend Sun and Suns a local Atlanta firm to you or the purposes of producing the city's breaking. We are very excited to work with Sun and Suns on this initiative. It is once we kick off it's about a 14 week process. And they will explain to you what that process looks like in their presentation, but needless to say. We are very much aligned with Sun and suns in terms of the vision for the process. It's going to be inclusive of community input. We want to do our best to ensure that, you know, we have widespread buy-in of the brand so that everybody can feel confident in the brand and how it is utilized moving forward and, you know, have that since the pride associated with, you know, the identity of the city. So without further ado, I'm going to hand this over to Wade so that he can take you through their presentation to let you know exactly what what raining is, why we do it, and how we're going to go down. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Sean. Hey, I'm Wade Thompson. I've got, okay, you can see this. Right. Happy New Year, before we start. Happy New Year. and I want to turn my back on everyone once. I hope the situation. Let me talk to you. We got some pictures to help me stay focused. Let's go to the next one. This is our team. We're sending signs. We are about 16 year of London fan started in but moved back down to Atlanta about 13 years ago and we're very tight group that about all of us and we work on programs that you recognize and we're within a local brand that people really care about so let's see I was born and out in there and got to work around the world with companies like Coca-Cola and folks like that, but I totally got from 23 years old to 72 years old with folks that were raised in London and New Lake and get down and and have a day. So, we with good bands, if you recognize like these, and then we're with a lot of small bands, or that's it. So we're red in places that matter in places that are central to our lives, whether it's a city, a town, a district, or you know, place Land or a history center. So these are all projects that we've read the banding for, all this stuff. This is what we do. We provide ribbons for those who lose them in multiple places. So we're out of the kind of bone core that. We're all great. We're in the founders startups with the ideas, we're good fit. And also for places that are really important to people that people have a lot of opinions about whether to university, a place of worship and real good hood, things that I really care about. We have to go in there and really codify. We have a mix of special and how we really ate that. All right, so let me do our designers. Our designers are practice of optimism. We don't start out mess up. We finally make something out of this. So, how do we celebrate? We have this amazing and really special. And then how do we put it in practice? so that we can all be part of that? That's what we study, that's what we do. It's a band, right? Do you write one? Quick answer for us. And just reputation. Let's go to the next slide. I don't know, You can go out of books, but when you get stand to it, how you learn what your character, that's what banned this. The next thing is what is branding, then it's how he manages that reputation with leadership and care. So that's what we're all here to do. It's not built in communications department, it's not built in the original neighborhood business hours, it's built all the time. And there's more kind of brand strategy and approach, helps us do a purposefully, really, really, any way that creates value. I'm not sure if it's about the remains, but it's not. I think we're not going to have to fill in to a corporate mode or do every city does. It's about how you do more at Avondale and how you do that in a way that differentiates you from your neighbors and other districts and the potential targets for investment. We want to be more of us and more different, so we track the right investments. The right businesses, the tenants that need those folks that need to continue to make that and that, and that. So, I don't know, I think it's easy to think of. And it's a very well. We, yes, that's part of it. But it's also a really kind of view. It's a really confident with you about who we are as an owner and how we do things and how we move forward, practically, except for a myth that allows us to communicate very efficiently. And it's comprehensive and coherent system where everybody's kind of soon after the same home sheet. So it makes it easy to do the right thing quickly, but then he's communicating on that for the city. And third world becomes this internal response. And we do it right. These three, there's that branch strategy part, which is about kind of pushing the bring in and defining that, um, set a lot of research and intel can work with residents and business centers, uh, real estate, uh, investors or real estate labs. Um, then we'll look at, uh. What do we need to set? Who do we need to set it to? If, you know, I don't know if I'm cartel, I'm sitting on a bench at the end, how do we get, wouldn't it be active here? Well, invest here. Well, if I'm James Towne and I decide you have doing something big, what is it we need to do if it's new city or whoever that is? but how in fact the right developers, the right investors, and what are the key goals? So we'll find them to put it this. A lot of people know about us from what they're up to, you know, all over the region. So really, that's what I want to add is, understanding the segments, there's all the segments. the time it was the end of the day's where I'm at. I'm just having the segments. There's all the segments. And upon the resident, they're all in the mail. If I'm in my business here, if I just move my business here, I'm working on these. I really want to ask her to detail, like type of a few in color systems and things like that and all that. That make it easy and efficient, the design stuff to create communications because the current design system is created before Instagram and Facebook and internet, those like that. So we have that tools that I had us to move fast to respond with some speed and beauty. So we can move with kind of vibrant, we're living in part of the city. And let's see what else. Okay, what are you sending us to this? This is where the community can have a civic vibe that comes out of this process. It can really help to amplify the experience and enrich the experience throughout our parks. So when we do the brand right in Bromatois, let's say you and a viewer as an ambassador at a headale, what would you say if you agree someone at the lake? Well, the brand can do that if you're not there. Let's do that. It helps us communicate with those that feel welcoming and with people forever, they will run in the field throughout the city. And so, even one of them, that found attracting investment and development, but also getting residents and tourists and more people coming from the cab to come here. We keep preventing the secret, but not out of the secret. So, and then, this is plenty of, you know, Shik. Who are you? What's your name? That's how we live. And we live in that area, not just as a place, but who lives in the place? You won't share that. I'm going to tell you you're serving, right? And other people that you're calling are really bad people that keep working in the rest. So how do we keep getting the best time time? How do we be a great place of employment? And how do we continue to attract those great books? So let's look at some examples, how does that happen? So the way we look at the places that are much different than in Dale's case this is like town, so that community have completely different goals than you do. But we're looking at them on the, the communications, how they'll position themselves. We can just look at what that kind of stuff starts to look at. Where's the town center? It's near Kymisau. So Kymisau State's part of part of it. So just build up. But how we can start to humanize that space? A lot. Like, work, work, dinner sections, kind of build with the community to where. Then we realize that they look for everybody. But if you're, you know, you don't find that kids are really in the spirit, or you're starting a business on right industrial side or something like that, it's a great place for you. But we're kind of And then we'll be fishing for there. So time to exile for the right group. Let's keep going. Motown has been really obvious as well. First got us into the post-Moking Branden. It was so very red so you can special about Motown and then we got a similar gravity for the city. but you can see something. So we just set a new flash for the midtown brand as well. We're looking at the others whole website and other communications that come through this. But just understanding the needs of the city or any district and all the stuff you have to need to communicate and be fresh. You've got to quickly and be rolling. So that's where a lot of them at town refresh helps us to do there. We can keep going through that. How do we talk about it on the streets? How do you do applications? Keep on going. Yeah, and this is how we start to engage people at the pedestrian's, right? Our first round of running was about how we show who we are, where we are, what we're about. I talked to the government and do the boomerang attract the attention to 100 tens. And we want to learn good projects and look further at the funding. But that's a result. and do the boomerang attract the rich and 500 tenants, and we want to win big projects and with federal funding. But also, as a, what happened at HALS? We need to bring those top two, uh, up to regular folks. And we, we need, you know, they would love for Communion to be in return, right? But I'm really, I'm really, I'm being from a little attraction really have similar parts and they're really special. And part of this is helping the town attract that level of that's been part two. Yeah. Chad Huchie here, this near Sandy, where South of the city. It's a really city and this grows to create small filmlets and dense new wilderness projects versus traditional sprawl. Their whole city roads are totally different from yours and their brand and communications and who they're trying to attract is completely different as well. So this is some of the chat here is bandwidth. And we have recently we've been able to launch a little next week that the new open visitors there and the open-out window. This is just kind of a sneak peek of some of that. So this is where we were in the real genuine way. They're giving us permission to do yourselves and really authentic ways and to be different, not to be the same, but to do that that's scale in a coordinated way. That helps us do the things we're not, we get to our own future. So that's gonna highly think about this stuff and how you've worked on it, how can it enter it anymore. And specific questions left here. Oh, and the questions are just happy to see what's happening. I mean, you know, I think cities and great extensions of people, right, in rural different. Everybody, even if you have a twin brother, he's got a different set of things he's interested in. But we've all got our thing and it's just, what's your thing? How do you amplify that? How do you make that special and make people want to come and check it out? So I think we've got a lot here. And in addition to our history, I mean, I think it's a key place to live, you know? And I joke that when people move from here, it's like you move out of town or you move down the street. That's it. It's like, I mean, seriously, it's like how many people do, you know, that like they just move like two bigger house or a smaller house literally up on the street, you know? You can say they don't want to leave. So, no, I'm just happy to see that sort of like you said being codified or, you know, made more obvious. Yeah, and I like, I mean, I'm really glad there'll be plenty of community input because I do think as you mention in one of your slides the whole idea of pride and getting pride and let's start thinking about, you know, who are we? And because we're changing what? And I think it's just a great way for the community to come together to create something. And I think that's a really cool thing to do. Speaking of changing, I like the way that some of your work examples kind of integrated social media into the branding and kind of helps bridge that gap because I read all of city newsletters and city emails and all that stuff but I have my daughters and wife they don't look at them unless I've pointed to Sifri out to them, but they do read their social media and all that kind of stuff. And I don't, I kind of don't use Instagram really at all. And I just embarrassed to say that I recently found our Explorer Avondale Instagram. And I worked back through all these posts. I'm like, oh, I wish I had known about this. There's so many cool things that I didn't see. And so I like the idea of kind of bridging that gap and making our regular communications kind of integrate that social media and so people like me that don't get up and would click on something and say, oh, it goes to this and it leads me to something else. Yes, I saw it really have a question, but I like the idea of us getting deeper into that. So yeah, very cool. Thank you. That's how we communicate. I mean, if the garbage prep that was delayed, you can have a social post that, I mean, that's not a lot of people have been to find it, but it's not too, I see my else. Very cool. I mean, I think anything we can do to, like I you've touched on pride in the city. I mean, input from the citizens would be really important. and get people excited to not just live here, but support here. Yeah. Get out there, enjoy the downtown, enjoy our businesses. As well as attract the people from around as well. So I'm excited to see if we can, have in your, in your plans to not only track the outside, but bring the inside to support the city more. It was as again, get the residents, you know, just more excited about living, living in Avonale and supporting all the people and businesses within the city. Yeah, I'm excited. So if I could just add something, You know know, the D.D. rail has talked about this a lot too. And you're signage is something that constantly saying, we need, we need signage, we need signage. And we've kind of been waiting around to do really a third job of something like that because we didn't have the planning, we didn't want to invest in a bunch of new signs and new parking and new, you know, until we have a great brand, but I think it's something that in addition to, you know, the 278 redesign and and having that brandy translate into some physical things like signage is also just going to be really a really neat thing to see. Absolutely. Yeah. Cohesive. Make things feel more cohesive. Yeah. And I guess I didn't realize too. When I think of branding, I think of it as a logo or a sticker or whatever. What you're saying is it's really more like a whole package of things. So when we do want to make a sign, we're not fumbling around figuring out what font to use or how to necessarily what kind of picture we want to have. We'll have some things like one thing struck me that says you can quickly create things that fit automatically. So it's like a package of... of that there's get a direction based on, you know, we have clients who have a thousand designers on staff, you don't have that. I'm sorry. It's an interesting, we've got a package for, we're using this based on the needs of your communications team. So we have no problem, we're going to go think. So it's made like, with this stamp next to this stamp and that makes it versus I'm gonna start from scratch. So it's made, I'm cooking with Trader Joe's ingredients like, hey, these, these, these, these, exactly, you know, that just there on me and then I had this. And so we build design systems that work for a different clients. And so it's getting that, but it is a set of guidelines where the penspills and the rules are clear. You want to design loads, but to the people that actually implement it. And then we build those assets in a way. So it's, you know, they're easy to grab and use them together. But that's a big part because it can make a really pretty system that if it doesn't fly, if it can't be executed, it doesn't go any way. That's great. Yeah, so if you don't mind ways for the board, let me talk to you a little and more practical, like, deliverables. So, when they develop a design job, right? That will include logo time. It will include fonts. It will include color pattern. And then there will be rules to how we use those and integrate those. So that we will develop our own looking field of all the material we produce so that you know that that material is coming from us. It'll be easily recognizable whether that is online material, social media material, print material, signage, banner, publications that we haven't even bought about yet. So essentially we'll have a singular graphic identity that we are pushing all of our communication. Right. So, thank you. Working showed us looks impressive and actually Patrick just answered. One of the three questions that I had for you. So that's good with the deliverofa Bursa design guidelines. All of that is terrific. The second question that I had was, is the scope just the downtown world of residential areas as well? Or is it the city? Yes. OK, so it's the entire real estate-wise, the entire city. All right cool and live just I'm sorry to interject but just so you know because we had this conversation in the DDA the DDA will maintain their logo The time being they have it they have a design Until you fall in love with what I'm sure So that's kind kind of the DBA downtown. This one is all inclusive. Okay. And the second question is really for the city manager, not for the source, but you know, thank you for, and I think the work that you showed us impressive. So yeah, thank you for that. And I'm not sure the question that I have is because we're only seeing this presentation from one of 22 that answered the RFP. What would you say is the thing about this organization that stood out and said this is the the right organization for Avandale. Paul. So, several things. One is their proximity to the community. Not only is Sun and Sun's an Atlanta firm, but it's an Atlanta firm that has also performed work in Avandale, waits from Avandale, he understands, the history and the culture and the attitudes of the community. So it is important for us to work with somebody who already has that level of understanding rather than somebody coming in from scratch who has to do, you know, a level of research just to get up to the baseline that already exists with sons of two, we felt like from a graphic design aspect that Their firm was much stronger than other firms from which we were to see proposals. They're I mean kind of like any other product that we we eat like any other good or service that we may end up proposing for the city. There are firms who use kind of a repeat pattern and then there are firms who make it unique and special in intimate. And we felt like, you know, Avonela states for a brand, for the creation of a brand needed somebody who would provide that level of intimacy rather than what you might consider to be a cookie cutter experience. We didn't want the situation where the firm coming in was unable to capture the real identity of the community and ended up with a, you know, recommend and graphic standards that look and feel a lot like other cities. Because we appreciate the uniqueness of our city and we want to project that uniqueness out into, you know, the ether. So that's the reason. Very exciting. Yeah. And, and there anybody. So that's all that good. That sounds like Meg the right choice. So thank you. Well, I really liked the logo you guys created. I guess that was the one you saw with the DDA circle. Yeah, I like you. Chad Hills logo. That's very clever. We were for the DDA market first. I mean, there were really, there's a very clear goal, which is how do we build an identity? So DDA could start to communicate because there had no communication rules. Nothing to hold it together. And the current identity was just the kind of the tutor building, which at the time I think was owned by a reate from California or something, it was not actively managed like it is now by Okers. And so we didn't want to center everything on that. And so how do you build this identity that feels right for Avandale and all, but it was a quick thing and that was a to the city, or to the DDA and there may be some parts of that that are we want to look at and investigate, knowledge and it's there but don't want to say confirm that that's it that's right. We wanted Patrick, you know, they've worked really really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, question Patrick. Yeah. What's the really accepts? What's the process that we refer currently in the process of working out a contract that Stephen will review and make commentary on. We know the price of the proposal. are going to be also looking for ways and for sources to defray some of the costs and especially implementation costs once we actually begin launching the brand after produced materials that are inclusive of a brand. So we intend that that first meeting enabled to bring back the item for consideration, which will be a hundred thousand dollars. And we will begin immediately as essentially the project timeline exists in the second and third quarters of this year. So we anticipate rolling, beginning to roll the brand out third quarter of 2020 to give you an idea as to how we think we can make this out. That's very exciting. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Anything further? Body? All good? Okay. Discussion of 2022 five stream or fees? Must banjo? Yes. Your favorite topic. The most fun thing we did every time. Branding was so much fun. Very exciting. Now ever talk about. So, Brandon, we want to say so much about this. Very exciting now. So, you know, I'm here. You guys decided to keep the storm water feet flat. As we have since it was initially raised several years ago. With the thought in mind that we revisit that fee or the upcoming billing cycle, which has to be set in June and then is billed in any and due in September. Right now, our stormwater fee is $180 per unit. Residential homes are... Right now, our store water fee is $180 per unit. Residential homes are considered APNAs, so residential homes have a fee that is levy on their property tax bill of $180. The virtual properties are handled differently. The larger the development, the more units that development is considered to be, and therefore their stormwater fees are higher than your residential properties. The theory behind that is because there's more impermeable area and those properties generate excess water runoff. So they're contributing more to the system and therefore need needing to pay more to rehabilitate the system in order for it to catch your all of that water and not flood properties or cause it for further impact. That's the thing. So with the $180 per unit fee, now, we are collecting about $430,000 a year in stormwater fees. We have operating costs on an annual basis that we satisfy using those V collections and then the remainder of fees left over from those annual operating costs are then used to support storm water and our capital projects. We have a current program, the stormwater infrastructure repairs and replacements that was recommended to us from Brown and Calwell in what we call our stormwater priority plan. As I mentioned earlier this meeting, we are really forward with construction on the second of five of those projects. And as we've discussed before, once we complete those five projects, there will always be five additional projects to tackle. And once we complete those five more, it's an ongoing need that needs to be addressed. Currently, all of our store, water and priority plan projects are funded. Actually, there are a couple of projects in the next trench, tranche of projects that are already funded, right? Using either stormwater fund resources for splosk resources or capital resources. However, we do not currently have any resources available for projects outside of those that are already funded in our capital program, kind of much like our other infrastructure. So, you know, essentially right now, if we keep the B at the level that it is currently assessed, we'll be able to probably put a quarter million dollars back for stormwater capital infrastructure repairs on an annual basis. Stormwater projects that we've already tackled have ranged between a a million dollars and slightly over a million dollars. So that should give you an idea as to what we'd be able to fund if we continue to let you the sendencing. Now, all that being said, you know, other things to consider are the fact that we routinely seek and have been awarded grants for stormwater infrastructure repair. We're going to continue to do that. We also plan to continue to propose to our voters that squast revenues from future splos. issuance is also used for stormwater earth. So we, you know So we're not giving an inch on the current plant. But that being said, we haven't adjusted the fee for inflation. And the one issue that we could see ourselves, you know, or one situation we can see ourselves in further down the line is something that can do what the Cap County watershed is going through right now where they defer adjusting fees to inflation for a number of years and now all of a sudden they're behind the April and they have to do a very large increase in makeup for the lost revenues over the previous decade. So, our recommendation to you is to at least start adjusting that fee to tag to to inflation every year so that we aren't losing buying power. In addition to potentially considering a slightly larger increase just to improve the stream itself coming in. But at the very least, I think we really need to consider hanging that feed to inflation so that we don't find ourselves in the camp wire sheets. Now, no decisions that could be made tonight, right? No decisions have to be made until we establish the fee for building purposes. Same time we've sent the millich. We are required to provide the county with a list of of properties subject to storm water every year, but by mid-April, and if we could attach the feet to them at that time, they would be appreciative. But if you want to take longer to think about this, that's great. I just wanted to go ahead and get the discussion started so that we can figure out what the best course of action is, mentally. Yeah. So thank you, Patrick. But the question that we're talking about here, what rate of inflation, what were the rate of inflation? What's the rate? We're considering paying it to be and what were that translate? I mean, we're just three years. So, so, you know, the decision needs to kind of, I think involve the calculus of, well, do we want to address those three years of inflationary concerns? Do we just want to address those three years of inflationary concerns? Do we just want to address inflation moving forward? Do we want to establish a new base and then package to inflation moving forward? Or do you all want to leave it alone? And feel comfortable with the amount of money that we're generating now. I think, again, that the need to repair stormwater infrastructure will never go away. So I do think it prudent and responsible for us to ensure that there are monies available to address those infrastructure needs. Now, how much, y'all believe that needs to be made available is definitely your choice. But my recommendation would be to, you know, some sort of fixed in, you'll determine a fixed increase from the past three years of inflationary activity. And then moving forward, establish some sort of measure to pay any increase to CPI so that, so that the purchasing power of our dollars for that infrastructure at least remains the same. And we're never losing, you know, losing our ability to pay for these types of stocks. So, so to the board, I would like to request that we ask Patrick to figure out what the cost would be if we did it with three years and the three-year chunk, what would that be? That would tell, increase, what would the increase be? And then also what would it be if we left it as a base this year and started, whatever this, whatever this year's inflationary rate is, the up at that much. I don't know if anybody wants to know anything. I'm saying, I'm asking everybody to be ketchup. Yep. Then, or, and ketchup, if we start from where we are now, and just start with this being we're one of heading. And I would just like to know what more about the actual increase on the fee in terms of money. So for example, this is just like a 10% increase for V18. Okay, thank you. That's the kind of information. So the union policy goes from 180 to 198. And that would generate $43,000 a process. That additional $18 per unit would generate an additional 43,000 for the fund. I would love to see just that an email or something that sets that out so we know what we're talking about and we're not aware of anyone else. I'm just wondering. Inflation per year was what about last three years, what was the average rate of inflation? It changed. It's very pretty wide. And again, it's not necessarily just general inflation that we want to pectiv. It's, you know, Stomach, construction work. Yeah. And so, that is. Well, so there's two components to that too, right? Here's your call calls to labor, inflationary activity, and then you're calls to material inflationary activity. And then some material has an inflationary impact higher than other. For example, concrete right after the poverty is flowed, the calls to concrete is flowed. And a lot of store water infrastructure is concrete. So store water infrastructure rose at a rate higher than stick built infrastructure. And so I'll have to pay, I mean, I'll have to do some pretty heavy analysis of all of that to give you all accurate information. But generally speaking, the rate of construction inflation is higher than just the rate of consumer inflation. So I have a kind of questions unless you guys have. So I guess what I'm not understanding is the timeline because what you're talking about Texan to consideration time. We're not going to do all of the projects all at once. We're not going to pay for all of the projects. All at once, once they do start, right? So my question is, I'm not saying the relevance of inflation to this, just because whenever you start a project, you have a cash flow, you know, let's just say keep it simple, let's say a project costs a million dollars. You're not going to provide a provider a million dollars upfront. You're going to pay them, you know, there's some type of cash flow that you're going to take into account, whether every month you're going to pay them a certain amount of money or, you know, whatever the arrangement is. So I'm not seeing if there are benefit of pegging stormwater fees to inflation. That's fine. But I'm not saying that I'm correct. Maybe there's something I'm missing. You know? If I give you an explanation, I'll finish my thought and then I'll take the explanation. The second thing is that everything I've read about the CAHPS situation, and I've been following that closely because I think the increase in fees, it's extraordinary, 10% per year compounded for 10 years. That's a lot of money. So, you know, everything I've read says it's because they didn't do the work period. Not that, you know, the raising, you know, the fees because of inflation. So I'm trying to understand that better here. Yeah, okay. So they didn't do the work because they didn't have money because the fee that they were collecting didn't generate enough revenue for them to take on those problems. So that's the answer to the second question. They answer to the first question that's this. So let's say your million dollar project calls the million dollars to do now, right? In the year 2026, that same project is now going to cost $1.1 million. So the thought is you're creating a stream of cash that comes into your paulpers to make available for the ever increasing cost of those projects. So for example, if you have, if the fee you're collecting in the year 2025 allows you to put forward $250,000 into capital work. Right? But that's saying $250,000 project that you put that you're using it for now, almost 270 next year. You want that next year to generate the 270 so you cover the work of the project. Let's hold on to that one second. I understand about the cab stormwater is that they didn't prioritize that. They really raised the funds to do. What would that be? Absolutely. I'm just saying that, you know, I get, I get, I get, yeah, or, for that 10%, yeah. You know, everything I've read about it is, they just didn't prioritize that. But, you know they're hearing with their uh true yeah you're we're saying the same thing okay well I don't want to talk about the cabal I'll bring the conversation back to what we're talking about here I don't know I don't have a problem, I put it on the side for stormwater, I think we have to do it. The part that I'm not, that's not really diving with me, is the pegging it to inflation. And it's simple because of the fact that, you know, we're don't do projects, boom, you know, all at once and you don't pay for them all at once upfront. So my question, I'm trying to, I guess, justify pegging it to, I'm trying to figure out the justification for takinggging it to inflation. Less prices rise, they rise, you know, for whatever it is you're going to do. But, you know, it's pegging it to pegging the increase and the increase to inflation, the right thing to do. I don't have a problem increasing storm water fees periodically. I don't know that I guess in simple terms. I'm not convinced that increasing it every year was the right way to go given the way that projects are well-vout are done. That's my thing. And again, if you give me information that says, you know, this is what makes sense, I'm going to go along with it, absolutely. I'm okay, tie-in inflation, I think increasing the amount we take in, you know, small every year to keep up them. That makes sense to me. I have a question kind of out of a rough field there, and if you don't have an answer for me, that's fine. And I feel like I heard this argument somewhere in the past. But this has always been charged as a flat fee or unit too, but has it ever been explored to try to tie it to the size of the lot or the size of the home on the lot? And then it be, I'm gonna math, I'd have to have somebody else do for me. But somehow tie it to, because my lot is probably bigger than Commissioner LaRotte's lot. And then my house might be smaller than two houses down for me, whereas my impermeable property is, say, 50% of my lot, whereas somebody else is at my, I'd be 20%. That's mad. That would be some difficult math. And I wonder if cities, do you guys know of any other city that does it differently than us? And so, I mean, if we're exploring ways to increase it or, or, or, or, or, in four ways to change it. Talk about that. I heard that. We're talking about a few years ago. Right. I think before you and Mike were on the board, we could talk about that. It would be wonderful at some point if we could get there. Right. I think if I'm not mistaken, Did, that Decatur does something like that. Mike, maybe you know more about that since he lived there. But I think the problem for us is just trying to gather all that information and figure and then spend time also determining. That was the most. I know we talked about it before, but maybe other people have more to contribute to that. Just a question. I don't need them. I want to answer tonight. Yeah, maybe. They want a really easy short answer. Sure. Sure. Yes. Other cities have different form. Okay. The difference in the stormwater run all generated by different size residential properties in our neighborhood is pretty negative. Okay, I think that you don't have like huge five acre lots, and you don't have to. A lot of the lots are very similarly sized. Okay. They're not exact, of course. But, um, and we do do that for commercial property. Okay. And that's the, the unit thing. So the larger that commercial property, the more appropriate a service, because we'll multi, they have lots for parking, more sidewalks, ramps, all that kind of stuff that is impervious and creates rungles. So that's the reason why we do it the way we do it. Okay. From a theoretical standpoint, from a practical standpoint too, it would cost some money for us to determine. Right. The various sizing of all these lots and the impacts that they have on stormwater runoff. So we would be spending the substantial amount of money to get that information in order to make that assessment. Yeah. And it would take a lot of time. Okay. So that that's why we have the system. Okay. So, I'll just ask quickly and for the short. It was a, you know, any role that we can and tie these, the increases, and, you know, whether it's through inflation or whatever it means, there's anywhere we can tie the increases to projects, to outcomes. That's, no. Yeah. Well, I don't have a problem with incrementally increasing it every year, but because I think if you don't do that, you end up where the cab is where you have this sort of 10% every year, you know, it's another have to do it. I understand, but I'm more into the incremental thing, right? So that every year and perhaps it's time inflation. What I'd kind of like to see is where it's trending. Like what have we collected for the last five years? What have we done? What's coming down the pipe that we know is okay, you're going to spend a hundred thousand this year or you're going to spend a million next year because it's getting bad quick. You know, maybe some narrative on concrete blue up, you know, the price of concrete increased. Or, we foresee labor shortages this year, which could drive up costs, you know, where's it going? You know, that's what I'm like to see is just a little more background of like, is this thing about to train this way? Is it going to flat? You know, but it's a lot of our best to provide that analysis. Some of those things we won't be able to answer. Because I just, I don't know that, I mean, sitting with flat feet for a while is great. It seems to be good and nice or whatever, but it's just, I think we have to be flexible flexible because things change every year. And rarely do things go down, but sometimes they do flat log for a bit and not just continue. Well, for example, our property tax collection for basically inflationary. So as property values increase, right, we get more revenue from that source. We've also said we would do the same thing for our sanitation service, right? So each year that contract would increase by, you know, CPI not to exceed a maximum and that would dictate the fee. So this is just a similar approach. So that again, we don't find ourselves in a hole in the future not having enough money to repair infrastructure that needs to be repaired. I mean, I just think it's a year by year thing because of course the economy could take. We could have another, it is, hopefully not you could have a draw. I don't know. I just think it's a year by year thing, and I frankly don't want to get into it right now, but I think we're gonna have to start doing that with the military as well, is it seems nice to set it and keep it. And just I don't think we have to be a little more droid. So just not two cents worth. Well, just for the record, I feel am in favor of adjusting incrementally. So I think just. Patrick, you said that the city used to do that. And then it's been on hold for three years, you said? No. Or was it always a copy? We didn't have a great word. We're talking about our navindel states as that. It used to be a county function. Okay. And in the early 2000s, the county said, we don't have enough money to address this. We're going to give all the infrastructure to the municipality. And now, so all the money we have in our coffers for those municipalities, we're going to give that to them too. And now their family. But they didn't give us that money. Unfortunately, we didn't get any money. And then we as a city didn't address any stormwater infrastructure for about 15 years after we received the infrastructure. So we put ourselves behind the A-Ball. And as a result of the board several years ago, we're crippled with the feet. And so essentially, the discussion that we're recommending today is one, so the board does not find itself in that same predicament in the future. Where it has to do a massive increase of the stormwater feed that made up for, you know, inattention. Thanks for the recap. Yeah. So, you know, I just would like to see a little bit of background. Like, where is it trending? Just like cost of projects or where we thought it was 250 and it ended up being 300, you know, a little bit of background or that. Is that okay? Yeah. And then are we gonna pick this up next time or maybe in a month? Yeah, we'll just keep popping about it. Okay. I just wanted to have a conversation. Okay. Yeah. So this would be a legitimate next time. Okay. All right. I'll get up here. Okay. All right. Well, let's say for this evening, more of a place discussion off of the agenda. So public comment. Happy. Happy things for it. Eight months that is's drapery Welcome back Sun and Suns. Do you have a community outreach or something? Is there a program set for the next 14 weeks so that the residents have some input the residents of the business of what this new branding is going to look like and where can we find that calendar? So if the board worked to enter into a contract, that is the same will be in the contract. If they approved that contract, then we as a city will communicate the project timeline and all of the action items that will go along with it. So I'm asking the board to please consider putting in community input into the contract if it's not already there. I believe that we already talked about that today that there will be community input. He didn't say you didn't have a timeline, who didn't present any sort of what kind of community input, those are the kinds of questions I'm asking. Before we sign the contract, we could please have that information so the community can contribute and make comments on. They think that's not enough. They can work enough. Yeah. Before you sign the contract, it would be nice. Or have to be discussed. There will be a calendar. Yeah, I just want to make sure that there was a lot of the voice about the last time we came up with a branding program. And it was done by the DDA. We really didn't have any input on it. There was a lot of noise. Yeah, there was a lot of noise. Didn't hear anything. Okay. So I just want to make sure that the community is off, especially since the citywide this time, not just the downtown. Okay. Bill? Damn. I get a real fucking. I don't know. I'm kind of scared of that. I'm not getting the bill that Bill Ho, Ray DeYan, Brookley, wrote two comments. One on the branding. I would hope that major launching of the branding would be at a time when there isn't a lot of construction of people associated with the road diet happening only in large part because I could see a perception of the branding trying to hide all the bad things that are happening with the perception of bad things that are happening because of all the structural problems.. So it's kind of a I mean I'm from a branding. I just have concerns about when the major launching of it occurs so that it doesn't seem as though we're half open. That makes sense. or time more like with the completion of all the projects. So it's kind of it's kind of following on the success story or demonstrating rather than being oh don't look at don't look at what's going on look at the branding the branding is a success story rather than what's happening into city being a success story. And I'm guessing that based on the timeline that's been presented third quarter of this year that we're probably going to be there, but kind of just the maybe a the morning. The celebration, and hesitating in case something actually happens it the ways significant lays the completion of that major I think project that's going to be the front door of our city. Regarding the stormwater fees, I know I'm going to have to pay him. I also recognize that projects are always going to be in a pipeline. And we're not always going to be able to find other sources to pay for it. So, I think that making an increase to kind of get caught up. And, and then, and then providing a regular increase that's discussed and approved as part of the budget making process where citizens have an opportunity to weigh in would be appropriate. And maybe also as part of that that overall process is, if it's possible, to provide a sense of just how big our stormwater problem is in that, you know, So we've got, I don't know, as a, you know, maybe a baseline that in, in, uh, I don't, 2025, there's a, you know, a $20 million infrastructure, you know, stormwater infrastructure need. And we've got this much money to put towards it. And at this rate, we will get to, I don't know, a cycle of complete replacement or whatever it is in 50 years or something like that to put it into some story on that line that I think the present to the public that this money is going to improve the city. It's necessary and this is how big the challenge is. And if we don't put money towards it, it's going to keep falling further and further behind. And we're never going to, I mean, we're never going to think to begin with, but we're going to be a lot closer to the end if we do this rather than you know. And this kind of way to stay in is, you know, how's the chase going so far? You know, what are we collecting? What have we spent on what have the increase has been? What's the list out there? You know, and if it's if if currently that line is going up 12% a year, well, do the math, you know, and it may, you know, anyway, that's I just kind of going to get a better idea of where it's trending. I say nice world. Right. So I appreciate that. Thank you, Jim. Well, I agree with all that. However, I think it was. I think it would be good to start now. Not go back three years because I think people might feel it was a slap in the face. To have had it steady last year, but okay, okay, steady. And then all of a sudden you have this huge jump because your comments for years. So for me, make more sense to start it now. Yeah, appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, I think the cab county thing is a shocker better. But it's a shock to the system. It's not a shock that it happened. It's just like, oh my god, wow. But that's, you know, we don't want to be in that situation. And, you know, we're like a thousand of that in, you know, magnitude, but still it's, you know, for me, we got to keep up. It's also just perception, because $18 is not that much money or a year, but it's the perception people will have. No, I'm concerned about. Because it'll be 10%. You know, it's like, well, that's $18. But it was 10%. Okay, now I get it. Thank you. All right. Any more on what? All right. Going once, which one? All right. We'll back up here. All right. So, it's a manager thing to add. It's the end. All right. So that's all we got to see. Do I have a motion to adjourn? That was Lisa. Do I have a second? Second. That was little. I'll never say I. Thank you. Thank you all for being here. Thank you, Ray. Thank you. Good company. Senator? Yeah, thanks. Thank you. That's very exciting. Thank you, Ray. So that's a very, very exciting question.