Okay. Only five. Aloha. Welcome to the Policy Committee on Health, Safety and Wellbeing. Today we have in our Healow Chambers, Council Members, Ynaba, Glimba, Viegas, Kimble, and I am the chair of this committee, Jen Kagiwata. Today is October 1st, and the time is 328. We have one item on our agenda, Mr. Clerk. We have testimony, I think we do. Thank you so much, Madam Chair. We do have a number of testifiers here in the Heelow Chamber. A couple of years, Zoom and one in Kona, I believe. So what we'll do is we'll start with two testifiers here in the Hilo Chamber. A couple of via Zoom and one in Kona, I believe. So what we'll do is we'll start with two testifiers here in Hilo, transition to Zoom, then to Kona, and then come back to finish up with our Hilo folks. So our first testifiers, Madam Chair, are Jim Albertini, to be followed by Corey Hardin. Jim, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Aloha, Councilmembers. I brought this as a part of the testimony. This was painted 43 years ago by Setzu Okubo, Tsuo Kubo, a teacher who originally taught in Curtis Town, and then taught for decades at Nawa Hu. Her brother lived in our farm. I think I put in my written testimony to you. Hugo O'Kubo, 442 vet injured in Europe and holding a sign, never-who-wife-rever. But I thought this is a treasured painting that we hang in our kitchen. I wanted to bring it to share it. And I hope that it can be reaffirmed by your actions today. First of all, I want to thank Cherk Jen and Olega for taking this action. It's very important. of the Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, Czech Republic, I want to highlight just Kuala Kaka that I first met in 1970 or 71 Kalama Valley on Oahu when I was teaching school in Kaniohe and I've known Wani then for decades but she was the driving force behind this law, the nuclear free ordinance. The first municipality in the entire United States. That's a lot of being nuclear-free. Well, hello, Moani. Now, each week on Tuesday is my day to write the weekly peace leaflet to be handed out the Hilo post office. We're going in our 24th year of every Friday a new peace leaflet. That's what I was working on this morning. And the basic theme is back from the brink. You know, I lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was a junior in high school. And I think we're at a more dangerous time today than ever in history before. Just the bombs are flying in Israel today from Iran. There's an increasing tension in Ukraine with Russia and also with China and the Pacific. All of these could result in a nuclear war by accident or design. And the world needs to move in the direction of this resolution or this bill to move away from the nuclear, but through negotiations and everything, not going forward. So I think it's very timely that the county takes this action. 30 seconds please. One of the things our farm has been helping people with in food for 43 years. I've delivered a food box in emergency family today. I'm away here and I highlight the basic point that was in the leaflet a few weeks ago. Food not bombs. Picture of a javelin missile being fired at Pwakalaw. One javelin, $250,000 each, when 40% of the families on this island are food insecure, 33% statewide. We need to move away from military. Thank you for your work. Thank you so much for your testimony, Jim. Chair, your next testifier is Corey Hardin and then we'll transition to Zoom for Kilihei Inaba. Corey, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Okay, good afternoon council members. Corey Hardin and support of Bill 206 prohibiting military nuclear use. The military does not have the interest or ability to care for the land and the people that they are supposedly protecting. Local military personnel get orders from higher ups far away who are ignorant about Hawaii and about the full impacts of their decisions. Local personnel rotate in and out every few years, so we always have newbies in charge. That led to the horrific contamination of Oahu's drinking water at Kapu Kaki, Red Hill, and the irresponsible military reaction, pumping millions of gallons out of an already at-risk aquifer, doing inadequate testing for ongoing contamination, resisting involvement by the public and more. As an example of how the Army and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, NRC, deal with radiation, consider the DU at Pohakaloa. After it was found, I studied a number of Army reports on the issue participated in conference calls with the Army and NRC and did a hearing with the NRC. Over 2000 DU spotting rounds were probably fired at Pohakaloa based on old training manuals and then were firing pistons found and an archived search report. But only a few rounds and fragments were ever located. Close surveys were only done on about 1,000 out of the 51,000 acres of the impact area. Structures were hampered by unexploded ordnance, UXO, and difficult lava terrain. They looked for weapon components on the ground, but did not consider that spotting rounds could be fired from trucks, which then drove off and left a little behind. They also did not consider that forgotten spotting rounds could be pulverized and scattered far and wide by decades of military vehicles, lifefire and bombs. They put detectors on a helicopter and they flew over the base, but the downmarsh could have blown away any uranium oxide dust. Illustrating the attitude during the spotting round era around across an old letter, I think, from a contractor cleaning up UXO, it said if UXO was found on the property but cleaned up as much as possible, one could be discreet, meaning no future property owner would ever be told there had been UXO. 30 seconds. 30 seconds. future property owner would ever be told there had been UXO. I served on an Army's Pohakaloa Community Advisory Group a few years after the DU revelations, but they didn't want to talk about DU and they refused to have meetings open to the public so I showed them written regulations that required this. With the military it appears their military mission is paramount and everything else is secondary. They will not take care of the land and people unless they are made to do so. Thank you. Thank you. Let the record reflect that Councilmember Connelly, Klein Builder, is joining us. Chair, your next testifier is via Zoom. Kiliheia in Abbot. Kiliheia, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. I don't have customers. Are you able to hear me? Yes, ma'am. OK, thank you. I'm Tassavai in today in support of Bill 206, which seeks to repeal the military exemption. I'm having a very counties historic nuclear-free law, Mahalo to Councilmember Inabrofer, introducing this bill. I would like to think that most people have a basic or more likely maybe even a limited understanding of the military's role in the contamination of the lands and waters of Hawaii, not just limited to Hawaii island but this entire state. On Hawaii Island we continue to face the effects of the training exercises that are being done at Parkulua, which this has been mentioned before and not to go off, but it's all interrelated as we know. From the visible damage to the Ohio landscape, to the inability of Konorca, and people Hawaii to even access this region, along with the hundreds of wildfires that have started since its inception not to mention the unseen damage being done to our water sources downstream of this area on Oahu. Residents are still dealing with the consequence so the Red Hill still still hasn't been mitigated still hasn't been acknowledged and to take a long time to be fixed. The point being that the military is not mindful or careful guests of Hawaii or anywhere in the Pacific for that matter. They should not be allowed to be exempt from our colony's nuclear free law. And therefore, I'm asking that you support the revocation of the military's free pass in our counties, nuclear free law. We have Kekia and if you think about not just us today, but the generations ahead, they won't have clean water. We're already feeling the effects of our runoff here in Kona, our water is not clean as it used to be 30 years ago. And all of this as a result of the government. And the lack of care involved with truly caring for our people of Hawaii Island and this state. So Mahalo, thank you for your time. And that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Let the record reflect that councilmember Evans has rejoined us as well. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier will go out to Kona before coming back to Hilo to a net Dale and Danny Lee. So Scott, at this time, if you could introduce your Kona testifier. Thank you, Relle. Yeah, today we have Doug Fox in support of Bill 206. Doug, go ahead and state your name for the record and proceed. You'll have three minutes. Thank you. I need to turn on your microphone, miss sir. Sorry, Doc Fox from South Kona. Alo, Kakko, the Kalamai out for reading text. I don't know any of you, but have testified in the past on your resolutions in 2008 that reinforce the Army's own PAM regulations holding all life fire at PTA, which of course was ignored by the military. They are in the position of occupying lands and leases acquired after 1893, although we residents, officers, and subjects are all in one way or another trustees. So we're all working on this issue before you, in my case, pro bono and actually quite a loss so far. I can only tell my own story. I became aware of you and Hawaii as an issue in 2006, following the FOIA disclosure on a Wahoo by Kyle Kajahiro. In January 2007, I wrote an op-ed about possible DU at PTA that West Hawaii today published. Then J Sharp told me to contact Jim Albertini to learn about PTA. J has a legislative staff member eventually managed our early 2007 bill in state legislature to test Hawaii military bases for DU, which was sponsored by Josh Green. A lot of early legislative work was done by Linnefec Roll, RN, but we eventually found Dr. Lauren Pang, who curiously worked for state, although he was independent regarding to you. I met Joe Marlbergini and hosted Lauren Moray and Dr. Pan in my home in early 2007. When learned another activist, we did a background radiation monitoring survey all around the island from downwind of geothermal to Cape Kumakahi to up on not a law. My good my background has a certification and the Manhattan Project, whose expertise is in nuclear fallout contaminations. It was at my, when I were the Honolulu Nightmean News clip by Dick Algaier or Lauren was videotaped and big eye on weekly, they later interviewed me with my Geiger Scout detector at my farm where I said my goal was to permanently decommission Polakalala. You have 30 seconds. There's a whole lot more to tell about that whole story in 2007 but spice to say the Army hired a contractor. They used questionable methodology and they admitted that they had to do there. So the only thing I can say is I was there in May 2007 in that dust level and I just got over a matter of static cancer and I'm beating CLL now and I'm not making a connection with that dust double and 2007 but I'm just saying you guys are doing the right thing right here today you're taking the right steps and I'm hallowed for that. Thank you Doug for your test. Thank you so much. Chair your next testifiers here in Hilo or Annette Dale to be followed by Danny Lee. Either if you can decide to begin, but if you for whoever decides to start, there you go Danny. If you'd like to start, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Aloha. My name is Danny Lee. I live in Puna. Yeah, actually, today I didn't realize I'm seeking support Bill 206. I didn't realize Jim was going to bring this nice poster. And I just want you to really look at it one more time. It really says the whole issue right there. It's in your hand, literally. It's not only a beautiful picture, but the message is perfect. And again, when the original nuclear-free law was passed in 1981, I wasn't living on the big island. I was in the Han River. So I wasn't initially involved. I really suggest I read Jim's letter and has a lot of not only good details, please, ask everybody read it, but not only a detail, but it's actually inspirational that folks then all work together to pass, and it's supposed to be the first one in the whole nation. That's absolutely inspirational. And it should make everybody proud. And that's what we need to do. And this example is ridiculous. Why do you even pass anything? You're going to get an example that the major contributor to the problem. So, and I guess the main thing is this too, is that we all know in our country today, the whole system but particularly at the top level the whole system is dysfunctional we know that they can't pass anything okay we know that you could see that every day okay in fact my other friend actually has even a better term for it the system certainly at the national level is constipated. So think about that. So in fact, in fact, in the whole world, we need to take local action. You know, everything starts small. And local people, everywhere it starts to do it. And then actually there's evidence that people all are doing things. So it's important to act locally but thinking globally. So please seriously, this is a serious issue. Yeah, it's only symbolic of course, but it has to start somewhere, right? I'm very proud of the fact that other people have already, you know, prepared and he is true. Be proud that it was the first one to pass that nuclear-free law. Hello. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Annette Dale to be followed by Kiku, Eglene, John, and Sten, Kitasawa. Annette, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Oh, you can hit the button at the base of that mic. Yeah, go ahead. Hi. There's a lot better uses for that land. Excuse me. Can you just reintroduce yourself first? Oh, I'm a net dael, I think. Also known as Rose Everly. That's a long story. So, let's see. That land could perhaps be used to alleviate the problem of not enough housing available to, like all we got is Camp Caja, and there's a big, long waiting list. And on the other hand, there's a big chunk of land up there that although it would be polluted and everything, there would probably be motivation to really clean it up if people could actually use it for something useful instead of something detrimental to the whole world. So I don't know what to do with the rest of my three minutes. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony. And chair, your next testifier is Kiku Eklin-Johnston-Kita-Zawa to be followed by Stephen Palmier. Go ahead, sir. I'll go see you. Good to see you as well. I'll take that offer. My name is Stephen Pomeyay. I live here in Heelow and I was witnessed to the NRC hearing the military make their effort to get a license to have the DU that they swore they didn't have. And I was witness to that. And I testified that to give them a license would be like giving a drunk driver a license when he told you he was going to drink and drive again. And that's what I believe to be true about our military command that is in operation at PTA. We have gone through terrible, terrible crises in Oahu over the Red Hill spill, as mentioned before. We have as much pollution as that and more up there now. This I'm speaking here in favor of 206. I want to thank everyone who's been a part of bringing that bill to our council. And as has been said before, I think it's a wonderful example. It's inspirational. It will be held for everyone in the world to see that our brand, Hawaii's brand, Aloha, is being propagated in our laws by saying that no one is exempt from exposing people to nuclear problems. We are embracing our brand of law. And I ask that we, that everyone support this effort. And thank you very much for making this effort to take the exemption away from the military, which to protect us should behave appropriately and obey our laws. Thank you. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your next testifier is Kiko, to be followed by Jennifer Ho. Kiko, when you begin, you'll have three minutes if you could just reintroduce yourself. Aloha. I am Kiko, Aklin, Johnston, Kitasawa. I live in Honoa, Po, Kau. My mother is from Pihonua, and my father is from Kapa Hulu and Kaimuki on Oahu. I'm here in at least three capacities, myself, as a former captain of the Golden Rule nuclear disarmament peace education sailing vessel as a Hawaiian. And unusually, I'll say as a US citizen in relation to the US military and its actions here in Hawaii. So first of all, thank you. And thank you to your predecessors who put together this nuclear freeze-off. It's quite inspiring. Having a military exemption to a nuclear freeze-off is like having a drug freeze-off around a school with an exemption for a math lab and a drug dealer's house. It doesn't make sense. So I hope you are successful in removing that exemption. When we are sailing the Golden Rule around the Great Loop, which is the whole Eastern U.S. and Canada with side trips to Cuba and Toronto. We've carried a string of flags of more than 100 countries that ratified the ban on nuclear weapons. Our Kauai Hawaii isn't in there. We should be, but we're not because we're under the United States occupation and administration, and that's a nuclear power. Those are many small countries. Some of them have poor reputations for human rights or poverty, but I say that they're the great nations because they realize the danger to humanity posed by nuclear weapons and signed the treaty to eliminate them. The so-called great powers might well ask themselves, what's so great about keeping nuclear weapons? The nine countries that have them have not signed that treaty, so we still have some persuading to do. The United States military in Hawaii claims to be defense department but when you look at the history from way back it's about not defending the United States or Hawaii but projecting power in the Pacific. 30 seconds please. Okay and you have phrases like Guam being an unsinkable aircraft carrier. You don't put civilians on your warships. So we also I'd like to address our my our Marshallese friends here. Atomic refugees and exiles we are one mistake or miscalculation or accident away from being nuclear refugees ourselves. I wish you great success in fixing this exemption. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, your last testifier is Jennifer Ho. Jennifer, when you begin, if you could just reintroduce yourself, you'll have three minutes. Aloha, Kakou. My name is Jennifer Ho, and I am, as everyone has said, so grateful to you all for supporting this resolution 206 exemption stopping for the military. My address is really toward the military itself, and the decades have wronged to the American people, and the destroying our faith in our government, because American citizens and military personnel, and the friendly and trusting my Grenation Islanders have been deemed expendable. People worldwide continue to die from exposure to radiation and knowing the results our government has assured us that fallout and storage of these deadly forever chemicals and contaminants are safe or can be dealt with safely, but they bio-cumulate and cause genetic mutation for offspring as well as sickness to those exposed. There is no safe way to clean up or store these waste and accountability has been fought. Allowing our military or government to continue to harm people worldwide at the behest of the military and industrial complex is something to be ashamed of. And I want to thank you as leaders who are heroic and standing up against this abuse of life, but it's time our military also is heroic and stands up against this abuse of life. Just doing their job isn't an excuse when you know the truth. Be brave and upstanding and join us in saying no. Mahano. Thank you so much for your testimony. Chair, those are all the testifiers you have. Thank you, Mr. Clark, and thank you for all the testifiers. Mr. Clark, would you please read in Bill 206? Bill 206, repeals ordinance number 8439 and men's chapter 14 article eight section 14 that's 44 of Hawaii County Code 1983 2016 edition as a men are relating to nuclear energy. repeals ordinance number 8439 and acted in 1984 to specify the United States military operations are exempt from and not to be impeded by prohibitions on the transportation or storage of radioactive material. Introduce Mr. Inaba. Motion to forward bill 206 to council with a favorable recommendation. Second. Motion from council member Inaba to forward bill 206 to council with a payroll recommendation and a second by council member Villegas. Mr. Inaba. Thank you, Chair. First and foremost, I want to take this opportunity to Mahalo, Mr. Jim Albertini. We all get emails from him with updates and the continued efforts to bring awareness to, I would say, focus on peace efforts, not just in Hawaii, but around the world. And on one day we received an email regarding the potential repeal of this ordinance that was passed in 1984. As we know, some things and most things regarding the military are above what we do here, but that was an action taken by the Council back in 1984 to create this exemption. As we know in 1981, when the bill was first introduced and became an ordinance and was introduced into the code, there was no exemption. And as to the effects of this bill before us today, there may not be change, but it is a statement that removes that exemption from our county code that should not have ever been, in my opinion, introduced. And it was passed under emergency circumstances back in 1984. I wasn't even born yet far from it actually. And providing this opportunity for the council to make a statement and this morning we had our sister city folks from Hatsukaiichi, Hido Shimagya Pan and again three of us got to travel there in April. And it's a reminder and I just want to thank everybody for being here of our duty to ensure safe, not just for our community but efforts around the world to remove and not support further development or continuation of nuclear activities. So with that, just want to mahal of the testifiers who came out today and asked for my colleague's support on this bill. Thank you. Thank you, Council Membering of Council Member Evans. Yeah, I have a question for Corporation Council. There's been some statements about it being symbolic. And so I wanted to know kind of the take on code versus state law when it comes to this. Just to see because we're making a statement in code, is that something then that the people could file a lawsuit because we do know that the nuclear, whatever commission gave a license to keep the depleted uranium that they've identified at PTA on our island. They've given them a license to do that. So does the code have any this change in it? Does it create a situation where people could say our code says that you can't do that? Thank you, Elizabeth's Trans Corporation Council. So in the hierarchy of laws, state law would prevailempt this bill, then those laws would take precedence. But I think with the purpose of the bill is to not add something in that wasn't there before. And so, you know, if there were a state or federal law that said that these activities could take place, if there's a local law that says that you can, without this amendment, that permission would be there. And so, you know, as with all county laws, they would not preempt anything that is said at the federal and state level. But I would just like it consistent with the sentiments of this body. I don't know if it's widely known, but that our state constitution contains a provision that there will be no nuclear-fission power plant constructed or radioactive material disposed of in the state without prior approval of two thirds of each health of the state legislature and so at least at the state level in our state Constitution there is preference and support for the actions being taken. Okay, great. Thank you. I think it was important to have that clarity so that people really know that yet it is probably more symbolic in a way, given that there's other jurisdictions with more authority. I suspect on this topic, but I do think that the thing about nuclear is that it's so lasting. It can destroy your soil. And we've seen it in the Marshallese Islands where people's land has been ruined and their health is, you know, continually to be damaged because it doesn't go away. So I think that the action you want to take today, I'm in full support. I just want to make sure that the audience and everybody knows that this is what we're saying at our local level that we understand the harm. And that's not okay with us. And so I think that's a strong message. So I'm in support. Thank you. How you? You council member Kimble. Before you go, Judge Strants, the language actually that is being proposed to be eliminated is inhibiting or prohibiting the military from carrying out their duties and responsibilities. Following up on Council Member Evans's question, what authority do we have as the county to restrict the activities of a higher level of government. I mean, does it, if the military determined that it was a requirement of their responsibilities and duties to violate this provision, would we have any recourse? Heat to answer hypothetical questions, but the military as a branch of the federal government, if it is acting on federal law or regulations based upon federal law, that would give federal government the right to carry out activities on county owned property, for example, then that would prevail if it's silent or the law applies just to literally that really owned or these lands, then it might be something different. So I don't want to say in every case there's nothing that county could do because you know these statements are imported but I think we have to. The best thing is for me to rephrase my question which is to say in the absence of federal law or state law that supersedes this does it have standing on its own as the law or is there sort of an automatic regardless of any federal state law provision that allows the military to act and it's perceived best interest regardless of whether or not a county law will exist. If there is no state or federal law that speaks on the subject than the county law would prevail. Great. Thank you for the clarification. My only question to the maker is in the event that there is nuclear material found and we would like to remove it. There is no section in this section of chapter 14 that allows for the transportation with the intention of removing or disposing of materials. So I'm wondering, I'm not sure if that's going to be appropriate, but I think it could be given the title. It might be something we want to consider adding. And then I just want to, what is, sorry, Lee, what are the things that caught my attention in the general plan as a mention of micro-nuclear as an option for energy. I would suggest for planning department. If any of you are listening out there, you review this part of the chapter before you propose that in the general plan. Thank you. Thank you, Council member. Council member Connie and Lee Klein, further. Thank you. Yeah. All of the testifiers who came in today, appreciate you lending your support to the Bill which carries more weight than a resolution one And to mr. novel for bringing this forward and For touching on why this is so important to him and I'll be supporting this today. Thank you Thank you Councilmember Vegas. Yeah, thank you to all the testifiers who have tracked this issue with fervent determination for decades. it could be almost a non-issue without the participation and legacy and leadership of folks such as yourself that recognize the dangers and to Council Member Inaba, whose family does hail from Japan and just really honor and I'm grateful for your authentic and passionate words about this. I'll be supporting this 1,000 percent. And yes, please, planning department. Remove that from our general plan. We have plenty of other options, plenty of other options living here on an island of sources of energy to keep our this place safe and healthy and secure for future generations. So thank you for being here today and for your decades of dedicated service and standing up, stepping up and speaking up. Hello. Anyone else? Councilmember Goen up. A hollow. Anyone else? Council member Glemba. Thank you. Well, sometimes I like to be the contrarian, but I am generally in support of this. I perhaps am not necessarily the contrarian on the, well, I am on the micro- micro nuclear part to me that there's potential. There is some potential I think still in advanced forms of nuclear energy. I think we have to keep an open mind on that. I definitely am not for military use of nuclear energy, bombs, any sort, or weapons. So I am in support of this, but I just wanted to sort of bring that up, that there are new forms of nuclear reactors that are much less polluting. And I'm fine with us continuing to be a nuclear-free zone but just wanted to bring that up. I think we need to keep it open-minded on our future because having not having the energy that we are used to is going to be a very shocking thing for many, many people, so in support. But just wanted to bring that up. Thank you, Council Member. All right. Just a few comments. One, 1984, I was live. And, you know, that time period, if for those of us that remember it, very heightened sense of concern. And I think that's probably what drove some people to want to enact the changes and the exemptions here. But I think we have a little bit more history behind us now and we know some of the issues and we're, we know that, you know, just, you know, I guess I could compare it to, you know, people, all right, we did some legislation here where we weren't necessarily going to change things because at the state or federal level, there were other laws in place. But actually, we've had or we've tried to have some input on pushing the state and the higher levels on issues such as, you know, we did vote on tobacco trying to not have flavored tobacco sold in our county, even though it's allowable at the state level preamps that change. But what we're hoping, I think, is that, you know, if and when we can persuade the state to make that change, we're already, our laws here at the county level are already set up to do the right thing. And I think this is another case like that, where we might not make big changes on how things are done right now, but we are setting up. We're making a statement and hopefully other people will follow and then our law will have standing. So thank you everybody. I will be supporting as well with that and no further lights on. All those in favor? What is the picture? Okay. Okay. Sorry. We did have one for the amendment. I think nothing material to the bill. But motion to amend bill 206 with the contents of communication 1049.1. Okay, we have a motion to amend bill 206 with the contents of communication 1049.1 by Council Member Inaba, a second by Council Member Gullimba. Any discussion on this amendment? I just want to point out that it adds section 4, which just says that the material to be repealed is bracketed and stricken. It was an oversight that we missed when drafting the bill and Yeah, it's just standard language So I'm but and yes, thank you as we are support. Thank you any other discussion on the amendment Seeing none all those in favor of amending Bill 206 with the contents of communication one oh four nine point one. Please say aye any opposed Mr. Clerk you have 1 0 4 9.1, please say aye. Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, you have 6 7 I's with Council members, Liloie and Kirkowitz excused. Back to the main motion. Seeing no further discussion on the main motion, all those in favor of passing Bill 206 to Council with a favorable recommendation. All those in favor? Any opposed? Mr. Clerk, we have seven eyes with Council Members Leloy and Kirkwoods excused. Seeing no further, business on our agenda, this committee is adjourned at 412 p.m. We'll start up our next meeting in just a couple minutes.