you you you All right. We're going to call to order the Monday, April 28th meeting of the airport advisory board, the regular meeting of the board. I would ask everybody if they haven't already to sign up your phones and we'll go ahead and get started with meeting. Tell me do you want to call the order? Is there a role? Yes, and I just want to let you guys know that member DS is no longer a part of the airport advisory board meeting. So we will be looking for a new member if you guys know anybody looking please have them apply with the city clerk's office and then Tim Codell will be absent today. Okay. So Chair Dempsey here vice chair Starley here member Codell member Lester here member here. Thank you. Do we have any presentations on the agenda today? No. No. No presentations. Okay. Item number three is public input. This is an opportunity for citizens to come and address the board. It is a monologue, not a dialogue. We give three minutes for anyone that wants to come to the podium and talk to us about anything related to the airport. This is your opportunity to raise your hand and come forward now. No one? Okay. Consent agenda. The only item is considering the approval of the board meeting minutes from January 27th. I have read those and went through them and I actually didn't make a single change to it. It was good. Good. Good skills. Let's take a picture of it. That's it. A picture of it. All right. So do you want to? Do we have a motion? We need a motion to approve. I so move. Second. Okay. All right. Chair Dempsey. Approved. Vice Chair Starley. Yes. Member Leicester. Yes. Member Maib. Yes. All right. We're just rocking right along here. Item number five is our regular meeting update on airport noise abatement. And are you going to do that or is? All right. Thank you, Chair Demsie. And thank you to everyone for being here today. As for the noise abatement efforts here at the airport, our work goes on. We've been meeting for with Epic. And the airport have been meeting now for about two years. Monthly, our noise abatement officer, Epic noise abatement officer, Alexis, is here today. He's doing a good job with education, and the number seen to reflect that. That's not an easy job, you know, with the new students coming in, on board continuously, but the team there recognizes how important it is, and so their efforts continue to pay off. So here's some reports that we have. This shows the number of flyovers over inlet shores. We track this by using our Vertower program, which can allow us to see how many flights actually flew over. One of the things that we reviewed today, or this month with Epic, was the amount of flyovers has been as increased. But all of the flyovers by Epic actually were approved by the tower or requested by the tower. So, and a lot of that is because of the current construction on Taxiway Bravo runway 725 with the runway closure of 1129, that's required those flyovers at some point just because of the request by ATC. Going on to the next page here, just reflecting this is a the percentage of operations, total operations compared to the the inlet short flyovers.. So when you look at that number of .9%, that's a reflection of say, 121 out of, you know, 13,000 or whatever operations for the month. Again, we talked about there was an increase in flyovers. However, a review of those flyovers, every single one was authorized or requested by ATC. So none of them were as a result of somebody accidentally flying over. And then this graph just shows how many touching goes are conducted outside of the VNAP, meaning after hours or before hours, as per the voluntary noise abatement program. So for example, in March, there were two, that pilot was counseled by Epic, and see there was only two, so that's a pretty low number, and it just goes back to that continual education efforts that they have. One of the, if you look at the, if you look at the 23 and 24 numbers, those, these are definitely gone down pretty dramatically for 2025. So one of the things that we have decided, and one of the challenges to our noise-bate program is having enough resources, mainly time, to review the data. Now, while there's a lot of effort being, as you can see, from epic side, our side of the house being, you know, only the three of us in the office with a lot of things to review, it is time consuming for us. We have the tools to look at the noise abatement program software, but it has to be reviewed. You have to look at it, and then you also have to listen to the air traffic control tapes to kind of verify what happened. So through the former member, Chelly Diaz, who actually resigned today, through her I was able, I made contact with Allison Austin, who is the executive director for Emery Roodleles Professional Development Center. We discussed the potential for an internship here at the airport. This is not, this is something that we're, this is new to us. We have not previously had an intern, although maybe many years back, but in my sense, I've been with the airport we have not. So I'm excited to announce we've actually narrowed the candidates down to two. We have made an offer to one of the candidates. We have not confirmed a start date, but the focus of that internship would be to review all of the flights that are occurring at the airport other than Epic. So Epic accounts for 80% of the traffic, ish roughly. So the remaining of those flights sometimes get reviewed, don't get reviewed as frequently as we would like. So we need a little help. So we thought, well, what if we get an internship? What if we partner with Emory Riddle? This allows us to not only get a little bit more another set of eyes on this particular issue, as well as bring somebody on board who might have a fresh perspective on other issues that are facing the airport. So it's a win-win for both the student who may be you know one of our students as a graduate student or one of the applicants as a graduate student both of them are either in their masters or you know graduate programs so they're looking to Further their knowledge about airports and how they work and so we're excited about that so More to come next time, but I think that was probably the big Bigger update this month as far as what's changed Continuing to find new ways to Address this issue and pay attention to it. I would also give you a small update on the efforts we have last year to make some updates to our voluntary noise and maintenance program. As you know we put some your recommendations in front of the City Commission back in November. The item was pulled and we are at the moment reviewing a date where we can put those back on the agenda. So I expect that that will be going on in the next month or so, back in front of them for approval. There was a lot of things that happened towards the end of the year, and they began any of the year, and it took some time to get this issue back in front of them. So, any questions on the noise report for this month? I have a question. Do you see any impact from the construction, the current construction, on the decrease that we're seeing in these events? The touching goes outside of the VNAP and the flyovers? Have we seen, I think it's the first part of the question, I'm sorry. Do you see, is the construction that's currently underway, is that driving these numbers a little bit? Yes, it is, well it is driving the numbers of the flyovers for sure over in the shores. Because of the runway not being available, one, one, two, nine, not being available,. runway 2-2-0 has been used a lot, typically a lot more than it would be this time of year. So that's something that has contributed, yes. Okay. Has not necessarily resulted in any additional complaints, though. We've received basically the same amount. It's about average for this time of year. Well, be in a resident of inlet shores. It's obvious to me that every once in a while, we'll get the odd event where an aircraft will turn and comes right down the driveway, literally. Okay. And I'm assuming that's ATC directed. It has been for our review this past month, yes. Okay. Do we have a start date for the intern? No, we're working that out as we speak. I've set a letter of an offer and it has, we have not confirmed the details. Okay. All right. Anything else on noise abatement? I don't have anything else. I will say this, we had our spring picnic at Inlet Shores, this past Saturday, and we had a really good crowd there. I got maybe two, three comments. Most of it was about the construction and what's going on, but no real pushback on noise at all. So that's good. That's very good. All right. So that takes care of item number five. No business, no new business. And that brings us to airport manager crown that's. I'll take down start that off while we were. Just want to remind everybody just in the interest of time we're going to try to get through through this as Quick as we can and not get too much down and then maybe save your comments till the end and then we can review everything and total I think that works So just a reminder that our mission to serve our community as The Arnonpo Gateway providing users with safe first-class aviation facilities by while promoting economic development. So we try to keep that in the forefront of everything we do to keep that our focus and to keep ourselves on task. We're going to talk about several things today starting off with the RVA contract just to give you an update on the Hurricane Milton repairs. We had a recent land lease RFP and also talk a little bit about other development opportunities. Talk a little bit about the recent survey we did on our approaches, wildlife mitigation, capital improvement projects. Talk a little bit about Jack Bol and our current airport trends. So I did ask our new tower manager to attend today, but he had a conflict. The Saturday afternoon he was actually working a position. I know that this is a subject that we brought up at the last AAB and I know there was concerns about the staffing levels and specifically how the new staffing levels might affect service or safety. I wanna kind of point out and start this by saying, Scott, you know, in our time together, as we've been working, he's been working, you know, nonstop. And I think he's been doing a great job and I wanna express my appreciation for handling, you know, staffing challenges. He's had some retiring controllers, he's got the airport construction. We had a major aircraft incident and he handled all that and I think the end result even though we still have some concerns I do want to point out and just acknowledge his efforts that we're not saying this is all just gone away and that we're all happy and everything's fine. But I want to point out that his hard work has made it seem seamless to the users I haven't had complaints, we haven't had service issues. And so that does speak to how hard he is working. I want to express that appreciation. So a couple of the points that he wanted me to share with you, and I think he apologizes and would like to be here today, but he wanted me to share with you that adequate staffing and watch coverage continues to be one of the major challenges he's faced since assuming the position. Both as a result of RVA's decision to cut the authorized staffing number back in January 2025, and from normal attrition due to anticipated retirements. There's two retirements since the beginning of April, and there's a third coming up in August. The positive action on the staffing front is that he's welcoming a new air traffic control specialist to the team on Monday, that's today, and then a second air traffic control specialist was hired on Friday to begin some time in July. So both come to RVA after retiring from careers in the FAA and both resign to Daytona Beach at one time. So they bring some familiarity with the operation here in New Summary Beach. And that's kind of the nice thing about a lot of the controllers is that they have a retire in Daytona and then they've come here in New Summary. Can I interrupt you just for a second? Can I ask the board members if you would? If we're going to go all the way to the end before we ask questions and make notes. Make a list of questions on each item so that we get to the end and that's all the way I can do it. I don't mind doing it this way to make the meeting speed along but I also want to make sure that everyone on this board has opportunity to make a note of their questions so that we should get you at the end. Okay. So, the training process takes about 30 days to get facility certification. So in the interim, his staffing levels, they're challenged until he can get these other folks certified. But he wants to be clear and express that in no way service or safety are to be compromised. So, and he's going to be transparent from the standpoint of the operation and to our customers, to the airport, and to the users. Another one of the big updates has to do with equipment upgrades. Their standard terminal approach radar system, stars, as they call it, it's going undergoing an upgrade. So the benefits are mostly to the hub facility in Daytona, but the upgrades will also benefit the operation here. So things that include a larger radar display in the tower, which is gonna help them facilitate improvements in displaying weather, added information to aircraft out of blocks and enhanced system performance, coordination, capability, safety. All that software portion of the upgrade is slated to begin in June, 2025, with the hardware integration scheduled to begin in July of 2026. So kind of over the next year or so. So again, I know that we wanna come back to this. I know we wanna talk a little bit more about that. If you all would prefer, since this is kind of a big issue, if you feel necessary, we could break now so we don't have, because we are going to completely change gears and talk about capital improvements. So you would prefer? So you want to change gears and get their comments on RVA? Well, if you'd prefer, because what your comments just now was I thought maybe it would be best if there's going to be a lot. Well, I have some concerns here. First thing, if they're not going to be here till the end of July, and we've got all of May and June to go through, that will give the users of the airport tenants and commercial users some time to get some experience with this with RVA and the tower now. Okay. Should we consider some type of survey to the users, both commercial and and citizen tenants that on their feedback about how the time I just don't want RVA to come in here and give us a presentation on what their Financials are and how many people they have I want them to go in here and talk specifically about our Airport so is does it would it make any sense for us to get some feedback before they come that we can, you know, see how the users think they're doing versus what they tell us how they think they're doing. Just want to. Okay. Another one is we should kind of give them some guidance on coming in here and doing a presentation to us, because again, I don't want to hear their financials and total number of employees and stuff like that. I don't want to hear real deal stuff about what they're doing for our airport. So just a couple of thoughts from my perspective of having them come in. What would you see as the best way to approach that? You guys agree with that? I'm not sure I do in this respect. What I just heard is that we've got three retirement's coming up. We've got people that are going to be, you're going training and at the same time, RBA, prior to all of this occurring, has made a determination that they're going to reduce the staffing levels from what was approved. That in and of itself gives me concern because we've got the volume of traffic going up. It makes no conceptual sense and if one looks at the history of these sorts of things having been done in the industry, when you reduce staff, when you've got volume going up, that's a hazard. We have inherent hazards at this airport. This is complicated aerospace. It's, you've got a class C cap above us. We've got multiple runways. We've got multiple taxiways, crossing multiple runways. All of this, we've got considerable traffic. We've got a mix of traffic. We've got jet traffic coming in, mixed with GA traffic, mixed with your generally the ancient traffic, mixed with helicopter traffic. We've got a good volume of V of our traffic going up and down the coast. I have experience flying into some of the most busy airports in the world and I find this one of you challenge myself. So I don't think it's reasonable to wait for these people to come in and explain what their safety management program looks like. whether or not in making their staffing determinations, they have done an adequate risk analysis of formal CET risk analysis. And really what sort of forethought has gone into them, actually deciding to cut their staffing back while the volume wire port is going up. And then adding all these complications factors that we've just heard about. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that we ask for a special meeting to be conducted within the next 30 days and have these people come in and give us a presentation on the safety and risk assessment that they've done and making the decision that they've made. If you guys want to move forward with that, we won't need a motion. I'll just need consensus from you guys. Go on a motion on that. First of all, I'd like to check with you guys and see is that in your experience with RBA, is that a reasonable request? The time frame. That I can't speak to. I know that when I invited him to this meeting, it was right after our last meeting, and they were unable to attend this one. But there is no... We can certainly make the request. Yeah, right. And if it's 35 days or whatever, it's the earliest, maybe it's your earliest convenience kind of a thing, I don't know, just to say how urgent we feel this matter is. Well that's kind of where I was going with what I was saying. We want them to come in specifically and address specific things. I'm concerned the fact that they were invited and they say, oh, we can't come in July as an indication to me that this hasn't been given the level of scrutiny that it needs to be given by over management. And when, with all of the things that I've mentioned, they're all risk-backers. And I'm concerned that proper risk mitigation has not occurred. And I'd really like to hear from the people that are running an organization, something that gives me confidence that I've misjudged the situation. That they have taken those risks into account when they made these decisions. I want to make sure I'm clear. And January we were effectively down one controller because they did not replace the retirement correct so the new manager has to now be a working controller and then we're gonna have three more leave and only two to replace Is that correct? Yeah, so So his so this is the way that I understand it first of all we, we have Jim left. Jim was, and Scott was working a shift. He was working a position. So when Jim left and they promoted Scott, they did not allow him to, they promoting him up and gave him six weeks or so to come off his position without allowing him to backfill his own position. So that was a shortage initially. And then, let's see, January's when he started, and then so since then, there's been two retirements since the beginning of April. So we've had two, so that's three, and then there's another one coming in August. So he's hired one, and then he's hired a second one. So yeah, we're still behind the curve. So we're behind two, we're behind two, effectively right now. And I mean, no one's already even trained yet. Plus the fact that they have to train new people in the course of all of this, right? And that's what I heard. And the other thing I heard, could you reiterate the reason why the tower manager isn't here? He said he was scheduled, he said he was not available. Well, he's working in shift, is that what I heard? The Saturday afternoon he was working in shift, whether he is working right now, I don't know. So he was. He was. He was. He looked. working in shift and what I heard. The s afternoon he was working in shift. Whether he is working right now, I don't know. So he's working the back, so that didn't work. He will cover occasionally here and there. He's playing a little gymnastics to make sure that they're not actually short, but being creative with it, if we will. How long that will last? It's important to note that some of these other positions are part-time, so like some people have only been working maybe one day a month. So it's not, you say lose a part-time position is not great, but it's not the full-time position. So the full-time position is the one that we're down, the one the part-time, you know, their schedule is very. So he's been able to work it where there's still been fully staffed for, you know, most of the time, you know, apart from Sundays because of the voluntary noise being kind of a lousy for less traffic. So he can make it work. He's a more flexibility on Sunday. so to some extent that's been helpful. So it would be just good to note that it's not that we're going to be down two or three full-time positions. It would be just the one still, which is not great by any means. But Scott has been doing like Arvin said, some gymnastics to make this work. And so hopefully we do get some kind of resolution or some information from RVA. and maybe we can make our case hopefully get back up to that but That's just good thing to note. Yeah, it's a good point. There are actually are there's only one full-time position So everybody else's job share they call a job share, but effectively they're part time so 20 hours or less Okay, I think that it's important that we go back to RVA based on Jim had some wonderful comments there and I think they very well thought out. But I think we need to go back to RVA with specific concerns exactly what Jim just raised and let them know that we appreciate that you guys had some conflicts but we have very specific concerns about operational safety at our airport because the staffing of the tower. And is it possible for you to help these guys a little bit put a communication together to go to RVA and list some of those specific concerns, specifically what kind of safety analysis if you done. Given where we are with the airport today versus where it was in the past, those kinds of things. And then put that back to them and see how soon they can come back to us. And if we need to conven for a meeting special meeting to do that we can do that. Would that be acceptable to you? Yes, sir. Okay. So the guidance to the airport staff is to put this communication together based on the comments that Jim just made and you've got those recorded I think. We know what those are. You had some really good points there. Let's do that and let them know that we've met as a board. We understand the tower manager couldn't come. They're telling us they can't come for two more months. That's unacceptable. Okay. We want you guys to get back to us on how quickly. You can come and meet with us, and we want you to be prepared to address these specific concerns. Does that make sense? Yes. You guys are good. We'll understand. Okay. And we don't need a motion. We don't need a motion. We just need a consensus. And we definitely have that. Yeah, okay great Anything else on this topic before we Know I'm good that I had a couple of questions here for our head. That's all of them. So we're good. Okay. Thank you. All right. So moving on to we're going to go over some updates for Hurricane Milton and for that I'm going to turn them over to Jacob. So most of the concerns in the past that had come up from Hurricane Milton have been addressed. We just have a few large few remaining items. and that's040-nited drive, which is one of the hangers at American Arrow, one of their four hangers that they have. It's the one that has their workshop and various other activities for their support, their business. So that building was hit pretty hard, and it's taken some time between the engineers and the insurance company to sort out the best path forward. It's going to take not only insurance but some additional funding from the airport itself to get that building back to where it needs to be. It had some issues before and so we're getting to correct those issues as well as the repairs from the hurricane. So now, the currently we're waiting on the engineer to finish his design for the upgrades to the building that will give it a good life for in terms of revenue generation. And so that would really, what we're looking at doing is upgrading the doors from the sliding to a without getting two into the details. But we're just going to be upgrading the doors to a hydraulic versus sliding, putting a new roof on some siding. You know, it's going to be kind of a pseudo rehab in conjunction with the repair from the hurricane. So presently, we're expecting the design to be done in the next couple of weeks, get the drawings over to the contractor and the contractor, you know, kind of let him loose and their staff let them loose on getting that repair done. And, you know, very rough time frame. I'd say best case scenario, this is done September, worst case scenario, obviously after that. So that's kind of where that building is. And we're pushing that along as quickly as we possibly can. And so that's our goal is to get that, I'd be ideal to get it done before the hurricane season, but at this time frame, I don't see that happening. So we're just working to get that completed. The next is T-hanger E, which affects 16 of our tenants, so actually 14 because two of the units we haven't filled yet just didn't want to put people into a building that was being worked on. So we've got a couple of open hangers in there that will hopefully fill in the coming months. But that building, it had some wind damage as well that did a lot of different things to the building. So we are going to be replacing a lot of, well, currently I think almost almost halfway done. The north side of the building, they're putting on the steel, galvanized steel, pieces that were damaged. And once that's completed, which we're thinking that should be the middle of May, I worked with the insurance company, the contractor to try and get them to compress their timeline as much as possible, because I know that's an inconvenience to the tenants. And obviously we've got a waiting list that we want to fill those hangers with people. So I'm looking at middle of May for that north side and then after that we probably be six to eight weeks on the south side to do the demolition of What's damaged and then the installation of what needs to be going in? You know again I'm trying to to bring that up as quickly as possible But that does have movement we are working on that we did add some staff to try and compress that timeline. But I do send out emails to the tenants. And I hope that if they have any other questions, they certainly can call some do. Some will reach out. So I try to keep them as informed as possible so that they kind of know what's happening. I understand I've been in those hangers. I've been in that of those hangers for years. and know how frustrating that can be if you're inconvenienced. So I appreciate their patients on that. But that's the two main items from that. Everything else has been addressed from that storm. And I just pray that the upcoming season is nice to us as it can be. How many units can I smushed from there? Okay. How many? What do we lose? We have not displaced any tenants because of damage to the building. It was more so there was some doors pushed in and stuff that was fixed pretty quickly. You know, none of the tenants have been displaced from their hangers and that was kind of my main goal is to not displace anybody other than the fact we're not able to fill to units which is unfortunate. But at the moment we've not had to prevent anybody from getting to the airplane. Okay. Well since you interrupted I'm going to. The Hurricane Milton was October of 24. Early October 24, October 10th or 11 something like that. So we're just we've experienced a number of them you guys have experienced is that is what we're seeing with trying to recover a arrow services and hangry is that kind of consistent with our past experience with recovering from hurricane damage or was this really bad? So for this... Well... In months... with our past experience with recovering from hurricane damage or was this really bad? So for this, well, in my end of the year. In my end of the year. In the three years that I've been there. And we won't be done before next hurricane season is what I'm getting at here. This storm was more damaging than Ian, you know as hard as it is to believe it. I think it was for me. I think Milton was definitely more damaged for us. There was a lot of little things with this. I mean, Milton was certainly more work and has been more work. Ian, we were able to get back, because it really didn't do a lot of damage to the larger buildings that was structural things or things that had to involve structural upgrades. So I can't say that there was a baseline established because this is just entirely different of an animal. However, I would say that in my experience with working with contractors and organizing not only with government agencies, insurance and then obviously with their tenants, this has been a much quicker process than I think I anticipated. So I want to take that as a positive. I would, you it would be great if this stuff could happen overnight. But that's the challenge too, and also FEMA's involved with this. And that storm had enough damage across the state. That's just bogged a lot of things down. I think I would say that we are fortunate because of the contractors we have, because of the insurance company we have, it says a much faster repair than probably otherwise could have happened. So, you know, I would think that we're probably part of what we need to be. Yes, it has been some time since October and we did get a temporary wall up for Gary and his business. so that way their items are still secure. And fortunately for that building, the work that they do in that building doesn't require constant in and out. So they've not really been necessarily, they've not been able to move some things in and out as easily. But we've done some things to try and mitigate their inconvenience as much as possible, same with the T-hanger tenants. So we are pressing that timeline. We're trying to compress as quickly as possible, but I do think for this, I think it has been better than I anticipated. Just to have to ask a question. Sure. When I look at the timeline there, okay. Continue. All right, so, a couple of things on airport development. So, yeah, about a couple of months ago, we had at least an RFP request for proposal and the intent was to award a qualified and experienced developer to finance, design and construct, potentially even manage some aviation facilities and also non-aeronautical aviation facilities. So on this map, you see here, there's four locations. This isn't from an airport layout plan. So there's four locations that were identified in this RFP. Three had aviation access, one did not. So the one all the way to the south or the bottom, that large rectangle that was a non-aeronautical use site. So that'd be for industrial use. And then the other three, including the one all the way to the right in the middle, that's the one off US one, and then there was two over by American Arrow. So we did receive two potential business, two potential business applicants responded. They provided general information as the proposal required. Both proposals had very interesting business ideas and both could be considered in the future as a tenant for office space, but neither one had qualifications or demonstrated financial capability to actually construct or develop the locations themselves. Both were relatively new startup businesses and so we were excited to receive them but unfortunately it didn't match with what we were looking for. However I still think this was step-in-the-right direction as we you know this is we had an RP in the past that was released twice and got no responses so we're definitely I think getting a a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a if you all remember that He subsequently reached out to the city manager and had a meeting with him and the mayor and discussed this project in a little bit more detail he indicated kind of what his goals were and I think where he's at now is he has to look at this and determine if they're what environmental roadblocks might be there because of where he's looking to develop and for those people who are in the room or listening who may not be aware of what a through the fence is so that is what the FAA refers to in an operator owns property that's adjacent to an airport that once access to the airport, but does not actually have own airport land themselves. So there is some land in the industrial area, which is on the south kind of middle of the airport that is not owned by the city, that is owned by private land owners, but none of them have, well except for one, there's one that does have a current through the fence agreement. But none of the other ones actually have access to the airport. So what this operator wants to do is or this landowner wants to develop and build hangers and then pay the airport a fee, enter into the agreement, a through the fence agreement which is required by the FAA in order for this to be approved. So there's a lot of roadblocks to that, but the, just kind of wanted to provide an update as to where that stands right now. It's nowhere near, you know, coming to pass, but it is something right now that developers looking at to see what actual roadblocks would be there in terms of the environmental impacts. Is he still in contact with you? That's just saying, God, that came a couple of times ago. It's the same owner. So the owner is not the one that came here. I think that was a representative of his. The owner is, yes, I have not talked to him since our meeting. I think at this point, they're doing their due diligence on the environmental and historical, so the archaeological impact. So there is a historical canal that runs through his property that was dug by the Mendoorkans and there's some protections to that. So in fact that's one of the things that affects the airport. So it affects our development is that, and we have to study that, and so that a roadblock to even the airport doing the development ourselves in some areas of the airport especially on that southern tip. So also related to development we the airport is in this what's known as the CRA which is the Community Redevelopment Act that's money that the county and the city put in together and we actually have some funding that just became available. It's another bucket of money that we're able to put towards airport beautification, airport infrastructure. So we're looking at several projects including updating perimeter fencing, updating landscape and signage around and it found the entrance to the airport not only at the main, but also at the back entrance in the industrial area. And running some replacing septic tank systems with sewer systems, fiber, and also probably one of the biggest ones is actually looking at a site or two, getting it ready with infrastructure, pad ready sites, so they're just ready to build a hangar on. And so this money will allow us to do that. So really exciting stuff coming very quickly in the next few months as we start looking for ways to continue to develop here at the airport and present opportunities for developers. As you know, we recently did an instrument. This is a member Tim, Tim member Cadel. Recently asked that we put out a survey to see what users think of our current instrument approaches and also the approaches that they would like to see as Jacob is a commercial pilot. commercial pilot. I'm gonna let him kind of talk about this a little bit more intelligently than I can, but just kind of go over the survey and a little bit what we found and also what's available. Okay, so yeah, some of the, this is summary again of the larger report, but the main themes that came from the 19 responses was they would, pilots would like to have an LPB for all available approaches, which is understandable. Obviously, you can get some lower minimums from that. And it's got the performance of a precision approach. And so that allows for other things. We had one of the DPE's from Epic Stop-I and you know mentioned specifically why like an LPV on 7 would be great. And if you look in that bottom left hand corner there, you have what available, current available approaches we have, the yellow indicates what does have an LPV in the red is indicating that that runway is not lit. But, yeah, so seven presently does not have an LVV approach. And so where that comes into an issue is on days, many days, where there's an easterly wind. And they're trying to complete an instrument checkride. they can't try and do a precision performance based approach when that happens at New Sumernas. They have to go to like a Daytona or somewhere to do that. And if you've flown in the area enough, you know that getting the Daytona's airspace is, some days can be a task. So that would be convenient for them, but also for the sake of, you know, having that. So, the path to go down that, well, I'll get to that in a minute, but the summaries are an addition of approaches for only one-one. And, you know, presently, there is not one, you know, obviously, visual, but there's not an instrument approach into one-one, so that's something that would like to be added and then addition for night approaches for 2-2-0 and you know well that room is not lit so that's kind of you got to put the something that would like to be added. And then addition for night approaches for 2-2-0. And, you know, well, that room is not lit. So that's kind of, you got to put the horse before the cart and that situation. And so, you know, that's a whole other thing. So basically for us, we're trying to put into a priority list while what could we, how could we piece some of these things, you know, faster rather than just trying to get bogged down. So for us, I think the easiest low hanging fruit may be the LPV for runway seven. And we've got a contact with flight standards to try and figure that out. So we're going to send some information or the questions to him. He's been helpful in the past when we ask some questions. So hopefully we can maybe get some direction and how to request that specifically and what verbiage is the best way to kind of get that ball rolling. All that also to say is that, you know, with the cuts happening at the federal level, you know, currently that's slowing down a lot of responses from the FAA. So I would just want to manage expectations by saying that, you know, this isn't something that would happen overnight. I think we all probably all have to realize that, but I think it's good to say. And so, yes, we'll put the request in and see what kind of possibilities are for that. Not only the LPV for the approaches, but the runway 11 approach. You know, that's got some other challenges with it because of some obstructions that, You know, we don't, some of the land that has trees going into that, some obstructions that may be caused. So again, there's steps to this. It's much like anything, especially when you're evolving various government agencies that can get really fun really quick. And then for the addition of night approaches for 2-2-0, that call all goes to the well. Now we need to get that runway either funded by us or potentially maybe the FAA if we can get that to work. And then adding lights and then we can probably get to that point. So many steps to this. And so for us, again, we'll try to hit that low hanging fruit with the LPV for seven and hope maybe the ones that just make just make sure that we have you know LPV and then we can address and make sure any of the approaches Other other approaches that we have maybe there's a way to get those mental homes lower than any way shape or form that would be great You know, so that's kind of in summary, you know trying to take the responses the main things that people are asking about and seeing Okay, now that we have those how can we prioritize those, how can we work with the FAA to make that a reality. So that's kind of a goal for us and it's a good goal because I think that's a nice technical goal to have that's would be helpful and not just something to do with random infrastructure at the airport. This is something that pilots would see in immediate kind of thing for. Obviously, another one was, while having night approaches back on 7 and 2.5, I think we've already somewhat addressed that because the work that's happening on taxa, we bravo and the runway ends. Once that's done, all that's kind of in place. The whole goal with that is to hopefully, when that project is complete, to kind of turn the switch back on get those night approaches back for 7 and 2, 5. You know, they've done the AGS on that and they're reviewing all that. So again, the whole point of that is so that the timeline works once the project is done. Great. Here your night approaches back. And so that was one I didn't put it on here because that one we already kind of addressed, but that will be happening, you know, this project wraps up that we have. Getting an easterly approach would be obviously at least one easterly approach would be great. Are there other particular problems with one one whether it's obstructions or Daytona airspace or anything or is seven just your preferred choice. So you know, we do have, I think it's an LNAV, that's for seven. One, one, yeah, I mean, that's a good point too. With Daytona's airspace, and you've got Spruce Creek that would probably go right over Spruce Creek, I don't know, that might be just thinking through that at the moment, if that does go right over Spruce Creek, that's probably a tough shot. But again, if you don't ask the answer,, so what can we do to try and resolve this if we can? And then at least we'll have answers to give not only you, but the tenets that ask those questions, and so better to know than to not know. Great. Can you elaborate a little bit on the potential for lighting and to and to zero? Yeah, so that's that one's a that one's a long long shot and a time long time away potentially. So there is right now no justification for needing a runway 2, 2, 0. We still have it. You know, it's the original pavement from 1945 whenever they last paved it, which is pretty incredible when you think about it. You know, and if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, if you have, we still have it. You know, it's the original pavement from 1945, whenever they last paved it, which is pretty incredible when you think about it. You know, and if you have, I mean, you guys have taken off on that runway. It is not the most smooth ride by any means. I know that for me, it kind of, it just get thrown around. So with that being said, it is, it does still pass FDOT state inspections when they come out. And we monitor it to make sure it does generate some fod. We'll work on that to try and keep it as clean as we can. But in the long term, yeah, no, it's not FAA funded at the moment. The FDOT would help us fund it at an 80% level, which is incredible, but these projects can range depending on the size of the runway. If it gets shortened less wide, all these different things, it can range millions of dollars. I'll tell you that. I don't have an exact figure, but it can be millions of dollars. So 20% of millions of dollars is lots of money, and just at 20%. So if we get the FAA to fund it, and at that point, would need a capacity study. So these are some things that we're trying to put in, we're trying to get that, we're trying to get a master plan done next year so we can do a capacity study on runway 2-0. So that for that runway, we maybe could justify it based on these most recent numbers we've had as in last year just having shy of 190,000 operations. you know the goal there is yeah that's a beautiful thing to have those operations because at that point maybe we could justify, hey, we've got this capacity, we meet these FAA needs, you know, or that show that we need that runway. And so especially during the winter time when we have very northerly winds that require a lot of usage on that runway. So with all that, maybe if we get a fund by the FAA and then if we can push for lighting, that would be lot of usage on that runway. So with all that, maybe if we get it funded by the FAA and then if we can push for lighting, that would be kind of the ideal situation. Not to say that that's entirely probable, but it's possible. So that's our goal. That's the kind of thing that we're stressing to the FAA. And then if we can't, if we the FAA won't affund it, okay. At that point, oh, okay, well this is at the FDOT's level. Now what we can then we do as New Sumerna to try and afford that, you know, I don't know if that's car washers out on the street or what, but we'll have to do something to try and afford that if it's indeed a need that the tenants want and it's something that we We can justify not only from the FDOT's perspective, but from our perspective. How is it useful for us? Is that going to it useful for us? Is that going to be useful for us, the city, the airport, to maintain that runway? Because all the infrastructure that goes to that runway taxaways, all that cost money as well. So I mean, it's just going into all the cost analysis of that and all these needs. I mean, yeah, we'd love to keep as many runways as we can. So that's what we want to do, but all that to say that, yeah, that lighting is kind of at the very end of that. But that's something we want to do, but all that to say that, yeah, that lighting is kind of at the very end of that. But that's something we'd like to. Can I ask one thing before we leave approaches? What can we do now or in the near future to accelerate the re-approval of night approaches to 725. Well, what we're doing. I mean, we've got this, we're running hard with all this construction right now, and we have a point that we can see we're gonna be able to meet the FAA's requirements for that runway as far as safety area and everything else. Is there anything that we could or should be doing now so that when we're done with all of that construction, shortening each end, taxiways, etc. so that we get the approval for night approaches back as quickly as we can. We are doing that in fact. So that's what we've given direction to our consulting firm to do, is to make sure that we are as close to as possible. Whether, and they're gonna have to, you know, do fly, they have to fly it, they have to do, you know, surveys, et cetera, et cetera. So that we can as closely as possible. But again, we're at the mercy, even once we submit all that, then it's the FAA has to look at it and prove it. But we are absolutely. You're all top of it. We are. We're on top of it. Get it. see it even once we submit all that then it's the FAA has to look at it and prove it so but we absolutely we are you're all top we are we're on top of it get it get it that's what we want okay was that anything else on instrument approaches okay anybody up here all right move on to wildlife mitigation so we'll talk too much about this But one of the things that we've done is as we've met with our police department, as you know, we have a wildlife hazard mitigation program that does allow for the request of Florida Wild, sorry, FWC, Depertation Permit, which allow us to take wildlife if we have to harass, et cetera. We have not done that only because of just the, so we felt it was in the best interest in discussing it with the city, felt it is in the best interest to contract some of that work out. So currently we have on the upcoming city commission agenda is an item for an approval of an agreement with the US Department of Agriculture and the airport to handle that for us outsource that. So if we have say a coyote issue, they come in and help us with that. If we have a bird issue, they come in and help us with that. And they're the experts, so we work hand in hand with them. And if it gets to the point where we see, hey, this is requiring more than that, then we would of course revisit that and see what we need to do. But our efforts locally will be focused on harassment. So whether those are banger, screamers, you know, pyrotechnics, that type of thing. And we've had last year, we had nine bird strikes. All of them were pretty minor except for the one when we did have a turtle. Sorry, it was nine wildlife strikes, not just birds. There was a turtle that was struck by an aircraft. And we had, I think, a, was it a hawk? Sorry, it was a turkey vulture or something like that. There was one large. And I think that was on a downwind. We've had a couple so far this year, pretty small, but those have been reported, but it takes a while for that data to come back to us. So I was gonna put a link out, there is a link if you Google, if you're interested, you can look at any airport bird strike information by going to the FAA database. And they have all the bird strikes that you can look at any airport. You can see how many there are in state of Florida, et cetera. So there's all those statistics out there. So that's coming. Just wanted to give you an update on that. So we've got some capital improvement projects to go over really quickly. to hear is a screenshot and providing this update on the fuel farm. I also wanted to just kind of acknowledge the work that Jacob has done with our local fire departments over the course of several days. We had two different departments, both Newsom Urna Beach Fire Department and Edgewater Fire Department brought their firefighter crews out and they got a comprehensive tour of the airport. These first responders came out and Jacob went through the air traffic control tower. He went through the fuel farm. He took them on the runways. They became familiar with our airport layout and kind of the response procedures when there is an alert. I think it's important to note that these folks actually come out on a fairly regular basis when we have an alert. This isn't things that make the news, it's not an actual crash, but it's when we have a gear indication issue or whatever it may be, an aircraft has some kind of an issue and we go, hey, we might need you just in case. So they're there time and time and time again and we're just really fortunate to have them and appreciate our first responders. Of course we did have an issue in the last few months where there was an actual aircraft that departed the runway and these guys were here within, you know, just minutes. So just want to acknowledge them. So getting back to the fuel farm itself, we are close to having the tank itself. It's starting to build it or very close to starting to build it, so we're still a few months out from it actually arriving and being on site. Once that happens, we will not have self-serve fuel, we'll have only full service fuel for a couple months. But this is a project that we've been talking about for a very long time. And just know that it is short by the summer. We should have this rolling. Taxiway Bravo. We touched on that just a little bit ago. Here's a picture of Jacob and our contracting services on site supervisor looking at this project. So we're about 60 days into a 200 out calendar day project. The current area of work is on Taxiway Bravo between runway seven and west of Taxiway Alpha. The work has slowed in the past week or so while the contractor addressed some issues with grading and those issues have been addressed and worked as expected to pick back up today and tomorrow as they use a newer piece of equipment to provide a little bit greater detail, the detail that they needed. They're reworking some of the Lyme Rock base and they're reporting some concrete drainage with potential paving starting next week in that area. And so the way this project works is you'll have a phase where a whole section is closed down. They have to completely get it. It's not where you can just close like one lane of traffic. I mean, there's doing a whole section at a time so that we only impact like one runway at a time. So once this project phase is complete, we'll be going on to the next phase, which will be 7-2, I believe we're closing 7-2-5 if I remember correctly. But I appreciate all the user's patience as we work through this. Here's a little aerial that we were able to capture in coordination with the tower and got a drone shot of the area you can see where they had put some of the sealant down. They actually have to go back. This is while work was paused last week while they were kind of reconfiguring what they were going to do. But you can see drainage work is done. Once the paving is complete next week, the electricians are going to come back in and they're going to install the taxaway run edge lights and lighting arresters. Once that's done, there'll be some striping. You have to make sure that Runways 1-1-2-9 is good to go with the after-reve-------------- the numbers are. And so that'll be done before we open that up. Before we move on to the next phase, we have to get this completely done. So last Tuesday, the City Commission approved second grant amendment to accept another $1.25 million from F DOT, totaling a $2.5 million grant for funding of the Admin building. We're getting very close to getting this project out to bid, hopefully even the next couple months with a start date of later this year. Here's a four plan if we haven't seen it before. The bottom of the page shows the front entrance that be the land side entrance where you actually come into the lobby and then to the left or all the administration, the administration side with the public side more on the right side with restrooms, the waiting area, a training office or a conference room, a break room potentially even a little office public to Another project that we have that's currently in design is the Pappy project. Just an update on that that we are in discussion with our airport district office in adding a little part, a little segment to this, which is adding something that came out of our last runway safety action team meeting. This was something that our former air traffic control manager and our current air traffic control manager recommends that we take a look at runway guard lights at our hotspots so that we can just get a little bit more indication. If you probably, I don't know who's familiar, they call them wing wag lights, you know, the official term is runway guard lights, but they alternate kind of flash and get your attention before you go onto an active runway. And that's something that, just considering the level, I think Jim, Starly, you mentioned this, members Starly, you mentioned this, just about how complex the airport is. And with so many intersecting runways and taxiways, the kind of odd angles, Just thought just thought it was another way the ARSAT working group thought this is another way to get pilots attention is there, especially the ones that aren't familiar with our airport and even those who may just kind of, you know, even ones that are. But this project specifically, the original intent was to replace the generator which you see the picture on the the left, that generator powers the entire airfield, as well as the air traffic control tower. So it is 20 years old. It is, it can't provide more than 72 hours of endurance with the full fuel. So a newer upgraded larger tank, a more modern generator. We're hoping to get that as well as indication lights in the tower, the current generator it can kick on and it does a great job but the air traffic control tower, the folks in the tower have no idea that they're on commercial or generator power. So sometimes that just it's good for them to know so that they understand if they're on backup power or not. So the new system in our design efforts, that's what we're going to be doing. The Pappies, there's a little kind of design there drawing. For those of you, most everybody in the room is a pilot or has understanding of what Pappies are, but there's kind of a little graphic of how they work. These Pappies, our current Pappies, have Indic copies have indicators in in can desert bulbs. So they're not replaceable. You can't replace them anymore. They require an upgrade. So we're going with LEDs, longer life, less power. A lot of our airfield lighting is that way. So this design is about the 60% mark, but we've decided to push funding request to actually construct until next year so we can try to get those runway guard lights in. This is a very cool thing and Jacob's put a lot of this efforts into updating the historic side of our website. But as you know, our airports named after, or not named, but has been named after Jack Bolfield. So or named after Jack Bol, Jack Bol, for those of you who don't know, check out our website. There's a whole very, very well done right up about him and his impacts to aviation and also to the community here as a resident and an attorney here in New Summer and Abich. He's being nominated to the Naval Aviation Hall of Fame in next month. So this is a big deal. His son reached out to us and asked, is there any way that you can honor my dad by putting his name and getting his name on charts? We actually went in to the airport master record and requested that the official name of the airport be changed to New Summary to Beach Municipal Jack Bolt Field. And I'm excited to say that that has happened. And if you can see on all aviation charts and it is starting to pop up everywhere from sectionals, approach plates everywhere, it'll say New Summary to each municipal jackball field. So really cool and kind of a cool thing to honor and recognize that John who's. I love that. That's great. Just really quickly, our aviation gallons. I know we talked a little bit about this last time, but this is our just year to date. So fiscal year, October through March. So these are our gallons. So I divided up between Epic Flight Academy, retail, which is the fuel that we sell at this farm, and airgate, and then our total on the right-hand side. So if you'll see you have 23, 2023, 2024, and 2025, that's comparing the same time periods year over year. So October, through March, each year, those are gallons. How much fuel? We sold, abgas, and jet fuel. Notice that those numbers are down a little bit for epic. I know that, speaking to their staff, that they have experienced some cancellations just due to the fact that the weather isn in a green with what airports or what one right runways are available because of the construction. And so that's really unfortunate that you know we have these growing pains. We're trying to get through it as quickly as we can and hopefully it doesn't have a long term impact but it's necessary for us to come back in a compliance with our approaches and to ensure the long-term stability of the airport. Retail gallons as well are a little bit down. Airgate gallons are about the same. They actually up from last year. And so total gallons we're seeing just about 14,000 gallons down, but interesting there seems to be a little bit of a trend there in our total gallons as you can see. Now to compare that to what we're actually our profitability. Now fuel has never been a tremendous source of revenue for the airport. The majority of revenue from the airport is through land and lease, land leases and rent. But we did do an increase back in October. And so while our gallons are down, notice that our profitability is up just a little bit. And this is our gross margin. So it's not necessarily what we're actually taking in growth. But it is actually what we're actually making there. So a little bit more across the board, except for our retail, which has suffered, but still our gallons are down. Profitability is up. When I look at these numbers, and I look at the 2023 and 24 numbers, are those for at the same time during the year or the year? Same exact time frame. I compare apples to apples. So October through March, just to get a little snapshot of where rad it's not the entire year. It's just one make sure I was reading it right. Okay airport operations did the same thing October through March and again you can kind of see January and February definitely a little decrease in our operations there from last year and again since it's stands the reason that you know epic being the majority of operations here, they're down, the airport's gonna be down. So not a significant drop, but a little drop there, the last couple months. A big kind of announcement here, very proud to announce that Jacob has won, was nominated and won the award for Volucia League of Cities employee of the year in public works and development and public works and I'm sorry public works and utilities. Really big honor this is a Volucia County recognition so a countywide recognition and so very proud of them very proud to go see him accept this award on the May 22nd at the League of Cities awards banquet. So really cool. I know you all join me in being proud and recognizing all the hard work that he puts in year round all the different things that he does to contribute to the airport. and just want to thank him for his efforts and say congratulations a little bit early but You're around all the different things that he does to contribute to the airport and just want to thank him for his efforts and Say congratulations a little bit early, but And with that I Know we think we covered a lot of it already, but And now that we've had time to digest the entire Tire session and everything we threw through it you They don't have any questions or comments no questions I just curious how the Facebook page is doing in terms of number of Yeah, so we've got I think we're up to 187 followers So it's it's slow. It's gradual. try to do posts. Should pull it up, but I could definitely send you, I don't know who all, if any of you follow it, but we've got some cool stuff out there. Trying to get regular updates about every, at least every week or so, including advertising this new time. And the city will share some of our posts. One of the cool things that I wish I should have brought, but I didn't think to do it, was actually we made a video showing our taxiway Alpha project. If you guys are on Facebook, check that out. It shows the before and after. That was a drone. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? Hey, I can't wait to go to the party. To celebrate you. Why do you have you? All right, get your pencil out. I just said, you said you were already in work We're already in work on getting the night approaches back so that we can have them as soon as we possibly can for two-five. Okay just want to make sure how important that is. That's one of the things I hear more probably than anything even noise. Okay. Safety. We had the event not too long ago with the airplane that hung the fence and flipped upside down there on Sunset, Turnbull. Turnbull. Turnbull with both. And we don't have an agenda item for safety events like that. But if somebody crashes through the fence or we have an event like that, I'm just asking if it makes sense to add an item to this agenda that's just safety. And if there's none, there's none. But if we have an event, then there could have been people that weren't here or when that happened, that don't know that happened. Even though we've got our set, we typically as a group don't get to go to our set. Okay. I've been a couple of times, but my schedule has not allowed me to go do, do, do, do anybody else agree that we should have an agenda item that is safety items and whatever has happened within that last quarter that at least so we know. It's your brum idea. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, that's, a good point. Yeah, I think that's a huge thing for us. I mean, it's to the extent that we've spent time, we're looking at various SMS programs for the airport. And we've had all of our staff appropriately trained and we're doing continued training for first aid. Not that we're necessarily firefighters or police able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to blood loss. I think that's great, but if we have an event that we should know that, if there was some significant training of our airport personnel, and you kind of covered it with the Fire Department visit in this one, but I'd like to see a specific agenda item for training, for safety. Here's my ideas. I want to see if you bird strikes. Yes. Okay. Maybe feeling, I don't know how deep you want to go through. So one of the things that we'll be looking at is any incident, whether it could be through our SMS program. So we have a program called Arrow Symbol. There is a portion of it that's SMS, and that actually has to do with people of being able to report incidents. but we're Look still looking at that, but so we have like let's say Somebody fuels in a hanger. Okay, so we had that recently. That's obviously got the fire marshal involved That's exactly that was a ten of that I would like to see Safety a section on our agenda and and just we've just politicized it. Yep. And so I mean, I think that that being great. Now that's also be a little accountability as well because there's, we had a tenant that we found out hadn't trained their, one of their fuel technicians. So there's little things like that that probably should be on the record. Okay, sorry. So we'll do that. Starting with the next meeting, we'll have a section in the agenda for safety item, safety, safety, whatever you want to call it, concerns or whatever. But it's a safety update, okay. And if there are any operational events, if there are, and most of the stuff you listed falls into that, whether it's fueling or a approach or departure of whatever but I'd like to see a safety section in this. Yeah we have like on the runway guard lights I'd like to I'd like Jim had a lot of energy about that okay before he. And I think that that's something that should be one of the next things that we're pursuing is making that happen. Okay, that's, we're big enough airport there. Jim did an excellent job talking about the concerns and complexity. And I think that that's kind of moved itself now up higher on our radar screen. I'm not sure from what I heard from you guys today exactly where that stands. Is it funded? Is it got a schedule? I'd like to see some more detail on the runway guard lights. Okay. I can give you an update. Okay. Next time it'll be fine. Okay. But I want to see some specifics that's got maybe a timeline with it so that that's the way I like to do things That's we we put it We we bring it up onto the screen. We keep our focus on it and we'll get there with it eventually. Okay On Jack Bolts event that's gonna take place in Pensac, is that something that civilians can attend or is that a military only activity? I'll have to get back to you on that. I don't remember exactly. He made it seem like it was open to the public, but I'll have to get back to you. Okay. Because there's a lot of people in New Smirno that even if it's just a few people who drive up in a car to, you know, to attend that. He's got a lot of good friends that are still here. Okay, that, I'd like to know if it's possible for a civilians to attend, and if we can get it any information on that, okay? And from comments standpoint, congratulations to you guys for everything you're doing with the construction. You guys have a major effort going on out there and have for year to now, okay. You guys with the building of the hangars and the taxiways and everything that's going on, you guys are doing an awesome job managing that. And my congratulations to you, young man. Thank you, Jim. I don't know who was at the Memorial Day ceremony last year at the Brandon Center, but Jacob had an opportunity to speak and talk about his experience as a veteran from Marine Corps. And he did a very impressive job with that. so I'm not surprised that you got the Accolade there. Congratulations. Well, the only comment I have is you I think you gentlemen are doing and ladies are doing a wonderful job running this airport. It's fun to watch and It's easy to be a tenant in an airport that's run that way and keep up the good work and let us know what we can do to help you. Thank you. Thanks, Jim. Okay. Anything else? No sir. All right. I'm going to close this meeting at 617. 17.