Good evening and welcome to the City of Rockfield Historic Commission meeting number 0 4 dash 2025. Today is Thursday May 15th 2025. I am HDC chair Anita Neopau. I am joined by my fellow commissioners, Seth Dembo, Peter Falseman, Mercy Shingay, and Michael Gohfinger. We're also joined by the City staff. Sheila Pazieri, Preservation Planner, Cynthia Walters, Deputy City Attorney, and Katie Gerbys Comprehensive Planning Manager. The HDC are conducting hybrid meetings, applicants, and the public may join the meeting virtually by WebEx or in person in the Marin Council, Chambers at Rockfield City Hall, 111, Maryland Avenue. The public is invited to participate in person or virtually by WebEx. The virtual meetings can be viewed on Rockfield 11, Channel 11 on on County Cable, and live stream at www.rockrealmd.gov slash Rockville 11. Each meeting is also available for viewing soon after the meeting is hailed at www.rockrealmd.gov slash video on demand. The first item on the agenda is committee and organization reports starting with peerless Rockville. Is there anyone here from peerless Rockville staff to give a report? Yes, I thank you commissioner Neil Powell and Nancy Picard executive director for peerless Rockville. And just a short report, but I want to update you guys on some of the things we've been doing. We have had events for both archaeology, month, and April and preservation month this month, so happy preservation month to all of you. I know we just celebrated with a proclamation earlier this week. We did do just to talk as part of our Glenview series on preservation in Rockville and some of the things that Carlos Rockville has been just really helped take a part in over our 50 year history. And in April, we had a talk on the archeology of Hungerford Tavern, which existed right here in the center of town, all the way back to the beginning of the county in 1776. In addition to that, we have been working hard on sharing some of our online files through new online sharing. And we are very excited to announce the launch of our exhibit called Changing the Map, the Mid-City Project, which gives visitors an opportunity to understand why the Rockville government chose to demolish most of their downtown in an urban renewal project and rebuild. That is now accessible through our website. And we also had an opening of volunteer lead project that looked at Rockville before Open Renewal. And we actually have picture display is recreating those streets. And have invited people in to come and look and remember and see what the town was like before it was drastically changed. That will be available at a minimum through the summer. And just a little bit more about the mid-city project, beginning in the late 1950s and in continuing until at least 1972, Rockfeld sought to change itself from a small community county seat to what they believe was going to be thriving county seat of a giant Montgomery County, which today is true, but wasn't quite there in 1972. The path along this growth was not always smooth, and the project did not go nearly as quickly as planned. Some of the amenities did not last long, but the impact and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and the city's and way you can explore things like the architectural plans, maps, view buildings that were lost, things that were built, and see how Rockville actually went about changing the map. So thank you. Thanks. Any questions? Thank you. The next report is by the Lincoln Park Historical Foundation. I am the president of the Lincoln Park Historical Foundation. The foundation will be hosting the annual Lincoln Park 134th anniversary on Saturday, June 21, starting with a historical parade at 930 and ending with a celebration at 6 o'clock PM. The event will be held at the Malcowry Baptist Church, 608 North Horners Lane in Rockville. Please save the date of June 21 from 9.30 to 6 p.m. This concludes my report. We will now move on to item C. Public Comics Open Forum. This time is set aside for members of the public who want to comment on any non agenda item. Is there anyone here from the public wanting to speak on any non agenda item? I will close the public comment open for an important of this meeting. Thank you. We will now move on to item D, HDC and staff comments. Are there any announcement or comments from the Commissioner? Commissioner Gofinger. Yeah I was going to sort of bring this up after we discussed the one item on on the agenda seeking designation. But my concern is the effects of this on city's historic infrastructure. And I know before any building is demolished, the owner has to come before the commission for a determination. My concern is that owners of historic properties that I was talking earlier with in need will allow their properties to become run down to the point where they're not salvageable. And then we lose a potential historic resource in the city. And I'm not saying we need an ordinance or a law for this. I'm throwing this out for the benefit of my fellow commissioners to consider these things when we talk about demolition and designation. And on the other hand, infilling, tearing down old buildings and infilling with bigger, more elaborate structures is kind of the normal progression of cities and it shows a healthy economy where incomes are rising, people want to remain in the city and they have the resources to put up these big structures, but what's the effect on the overall history of the city? To what extent are we destroying historic neighborhoods and a lot of them date back to, not that far, but back to mid-century? And I'm just, again, throwing this out for consideration when we talk about these things and looking at the bigger picture of historic preservation within the city. I probably have more to say, but I can't think of it right now. So I will. Thank you, Madam Chair. And you're welcome. Have any other comments? Thank you, Madam Chair. And Commissioner Gohtinger, thank you for making us comments. And I think it was the appropriate time to do that on the agenda so that making the comment wasn't effective of the applicant this evening that will be before us because I agree with what you're saying. And I think we do need to take a look at inventory and with the rules and regulations. Maybe I don't know if that's something we need to talk to code enforcement about, but we can work with staff on that. But I appreciate you bringing it up. Two quick things. Would it be possible? Instead, we love Steve, but we're staying at Steve. I have a big letters here. It would be possible to have the agenda up on the screen. That might be a little bit more helpful. We will look into that for future meetings. So you're seeing Steve. It has to do with the fact that this is a hybrid meeting and showing what other people are seeing versus what you're seeing. If at the top of your screen you should see something that says mayor and council chambers. Yes. You can pin that so that will be like the highlighted one and you'll see that the entire time. If that's what you're interested in seeing, it's not the agenda. But in the future we can work to make sure there's a agenda there that you can toggle between the tabs. And then the second quick thing is, could we have water at the meetings, please? We can arrange for that. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Any other comments? No. Okay. So since our last meeting, I tended to marry council meeting to be a part of the commission to receive the process of the meeting. meeting, I attended the Mary Council meeting to be a part of the commission to receive the Proclamation declaring May 2025 as National Preservation Month in Rockville, Maryland. As part of the National Historic Preservation Month, I attended the Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month webinar, spotlighting digital projects from six African American Pacific Islander Public History Organization on how they preserve their history beyond physical structures and within the theme of honoring the power of place. Also had a chance to attend the National Alliance of Preservation Commission webinar series through the Paying Part 2, managing window replacement, lessons from local preservation program. I'm looking forward to the future of King Phong Phong State Park from a historical perspective and when and if HDC would be involved with any approval regarding the project. This concludes my announcement. Are there any announcements or comments from the staff? Nothing from staff. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is number two to consent agenda. Consent agenda item may be approved per the staff report without discussion. However, any person may request that the chair remove an item from the consent agenda for discussion and public comments before the vote. We have one item on the consent agenda in this A approval of minutes of April 17, 2025. Have all commissioners had a chance to review the minutes of April 17, 2025. Okay. Is their motion to approve the minutes for April 17, 2025. I move to approve the minutes. Okay. Commissioner Shingay. I move to approve the minutes. Is Is there a second? A second. Commissioner Goffinger. Are there any comments or questions on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor of the motion to approve the minutes for April 17, 2025. Please raise your hand and say aye. All opposed say nay. Any extension the motion passes five to zero. The next item on the agenda is number three evaluation of significance. HDC 2025-01189. The applicant is Sheman Day, address 809 West Moore Avenue. It's a request for evaluation of significance for the purpose of demolition. Mr. Chair, is there a staff report? Yes, sir. This is HTC 2025-0189 for 809 Westmore Avenue. This is for an evaluation of significance for the purpose of demolition. This is the house at 809 Westmore Avenue. And as you can see here, it's actually located in a site in Lincoln Park that was undeveloped as far as when the area was being developed. This was an area that was sitting back and it was a kinship lots. So family members own these lots and so they're not developed the same way that these streets and in Lincoln Park are developed. So this is the house you can see back here under the red dot here. So it sits way back on the property. So this is an evaluation of significance. This is the front of the property. The west side of the property as you can see, they had already started with the process of doing the demolition, but they didn't know that they needed to come to the HTC first so that that's why you see the fencing around the netting around there. They were getting ready to take up utilities and things like that, but they were informed and so they immediately put in their application to come see us. The neighborhood itself actually is in flux. As you can see behind it, you have the condos, the townhouses, and next door you have a house that may be original, but it's just the whole neighborhood there is in flux, so there's nothing that's exactly the same within the community right there within that area. This is the rear of the house itself. It's got a big lot, and I think that's one of the factors about the property itself. The house has been sitting empty for a very long time, but the lot is very, very big. So the picture you're looking at off to the right, this is in 2006. And I believe that it was purchased in 2010. But as you can see, it's a one and a half story, just vernacular style house, meaning that it was not an architect builder, builder builder. It was probably family members that built the house itself. It's got a gable roof. It's got vinyl one over one windows throughout the house. The front here, you can see there's a set of double hung windows in the peak and then double hung windows on, a set a pair of double hung windows on either side of the entrance there. Just a low, low steps up into the house. Wood door, no screen door here on the front. Just very, very simple. It's a stucco, a pebble dash stucco. And as you can see back in 2006, it was still in kind of bad shape. It's not as bad as it is now. As you can see from the dormant's up here at the top. This is a rear elevation. This is an addition that's on the rear here that leads into the back here with a double sliding glass door. The original house with a back door and a single window aluminum screen door. And you can see again this picture on the right is from 2006 and this shows the rear and the east elevation. So it wasn't as bad as shape. You can see the dormer here on the right. And then now you can see what the dormers look like over the years. So the building is pretty much collapsing upon itself and it's in super poor condition. You can see the stucco down here at the bottom that's breaking up and this is just the I'm sorry, I'm back up here. This is the south side elevation on the north side elevation. It's the dormers and a little bit better shape, but it is still pretty much coming apart. So basically this is it. We did receive a lot of letters. Well not a lot, but we see more than we usually receive of people saying that they really would like to see it come down. There's been a raccoon infestation that's created a raccoon infestation with the neighbors. And so it's been as we've been receiving note saying that we really would like to see this come down. Another thing is we did receive information about the previous owner and it was information that I did not have for my report. I received it right after I completed my report, but apparently the owner was a minister and very prominent within the neighborhood. And I attached it actually to your report so you can see the information in there, along with your emails that I received from the public, the information about the particular owner that was there as far as the kinship family goes. That information is in there as well. But even in that email that gave me the information, there was a request to see that it come down this even though it's important to the community, they feel like it's a hazard to the community as well. So finding that the building proposed for demolition at 809 Westmore Avenue does not meet any of the historic district commissions HCC adopted criteria for historic significance or architectural design and landscape significance staff recommends against historic designation. So do you have any questions for me? committee. Now I'll now the perpetrator maker comment. Thank you. So I noticed backing up in the pictures on the original picture that you showed. There is a pretty large tree. And for someone that I study landscape design and also did tree preservation when I was a wee thing for the city of Gathersburg. I seen their tree protection around that. It looks like it's probably a city tree which is even more of a concern. And also that they've started digging without root pruning. It's pretty easy to tell if you don't root prune a tree that size you will kill it eventually. The roots of a tree go out to the drip line and you can see the drip line about tree is almost over the brachialis to the left so they have already damaged some of the roots of a tree go out to the drip line and you can see the the drip line about tree is almost over the brick house to the left. So they have already damaged some of the roots of the tree. So I would just note that they need to put up some kind of tree protection and probably root prune in the area that they're going to be working because otherwise the city will lose that tree. Thank you. Are there any other questions for staff? Okay. Commissioner. Commissioner. Okay. So, Mr. Bashir, you mentioned that. The way they get them without telling anyone. Well, no, without telling anyone, they had already put in their applications. And they were in the system. But the one was missing was the HDC review. So, apparently when they started putting their applications that was not, they were not informed that they needed to come to the HDC first so they stopped that process and they stopped to come here. But they weren't doing it, you know, illegal or behind the back, they just didn't know. Okay, so those are city educated people on like the steps to take? In case of the relationship. That is the goal. Okay. Yes. Are there any other questions? I'm going to start. Okay. Is the applicant owner representative present? Thank you for being with us tonight. Do you have a presentation or any comments? No, okay. Commissioner, are there any questions for the applicant or owner? No, okay. Is anyone from the public waiting to comment on this agenda item? Is anybody online? We're supposed to decide. We have one resident who has joined the WebEx call. That resident, Tarsha, you are a panelist. So if you have anything to say, you can unmute yourself. If you have nothing to say, you do not need to. Thank you. No, I do not have anything to add. I just wanted to be part of you to discussion. So thank you. Hey thank you. So, Ms. Picherry. Whether any written comments, receive those, the ones that you spoke of earlier, are those written comments that you received? Those are all attached to your agenda. So they will be read into the record correct? No, they don't have to be read in because they're already on the agenda. There's already part of the record. Okay. If the new further questions for staff or the applicant, I will close the public hearing and open the floor for commission discussion. Are there any other comments of the commission? No. I have a, Commissioner on go for you. Just a quick, notwithstanding my comments from before before I do think that this house Should come down so I know what you the owner to take that the wrong way I'm sorry. I do have some questions of the Property owner Could you please come forward? Thank you Thank you. Thank you. Could you please come forward? Thank you. Could you please identify yourself for the record? Yes, sorry. I'm Shemende, owner of 809 Westmore Avenue. So what condition was the house in when you purchased it? it as a foreclosure. So it was already in not great condition. And then because of that, I couldn't move in automatically. And I had to save up some money so that I could fix it so I could move in. But then life happened and I just didn't have enough money to fix it so that I could move in and stuff. And that's where it happened. One thing after the other. So what are your plans for this house if it is approved for demolition? So, truthfully, because of the current economy, I cannot build right after demolition. I will have to demolish first because as everyone says, it's a safety issue. I totally agree with that. And then I have looked into architects, and I've looked into builders, and both of those are currently outside of my price range, but it is definitely a line item in my budget to fund this project. Okay. I need to reopen because I closed. So now I'm gonna close again. We'll come and thank you very much for your responses. Anything else? Thank you. Thank you. So, are there any comments whatsoever from the commission in terms of our discussion? Okay. Well, before we make a motion, and we do have a motion over here, I want to read for the record the following information. Okay. As we focus on harvesting the power of place, which is a theme for this year's national historical preservation month. And I criteria for demolition under historic significance, in particular B and C, B site of an important event in Rockfield's history. Reverend Henry Davis lived at this address and served as past of Calgary Baptist Church from 1956 to 1963 in seven years. Henry Dave's son lived and held rehearsal as director for the Cal Recruisators and other artists and meetings in preparation of gospel programs and event schedule performances. Item C, identify with a personal group of people who influence the city's history. Dr. Henry M. Davis, son of Reverend Davis, is the first assistant pastor and minister of music at Pinnacle Praise Community Church in Jones Town, Pennsylvania. Is originally from Lincoln Park Community, Rockville, Maryland. He is an internationally acclaimed award-winning pianist, composer, and recording artist. He received his music education from Montgomery College in Rockville, the Cleveland Music Institute in Cleveland, Ohio, and Howard University in Washington, D.C. In addition to this, almost all members of the Calvert Crusaders were from Lincoln Park, a gospel group in which he was the director. Two albums on Salvo Art, Lavers, along with other albums, have been under the direction of Henry Davis. And in the gospel group since 1970 was indeed a well-known group. Along with having served as an international crusade pianist for the advantage of his Billy Graham, Pastor Davis has been a feature performer as venues throughout the United States and around the world, including the Kennedy Center, Constitution Hall, Fort Theator, Carcena G. Har, the Royal Albert Hall and London, England, the Maraca Stadium in Rio de Janeiro, Ezio and Calcala, India, where he was honored to have a personal audience with Nobel Peace Prize recipient, Mother Teresa. The Smithsonian Institution commissioned Henry Davis to arrange and record the classic him, Peace in the Valley, Atomic Stories before Inclusion, and the Peabody Award-winning radio, anthology, entitled, Weight in the Water, History of Afro-American Sacred Music. Later, this prestigious organization, again, select the Davis to represent the gospel segment of his year-long celebration of the history and development of the piano. In 2013, he received the honorary degree of Doctor of Ministry from the National Bible, College, and Seminary, and Fort Washington, Maryland. Throughout his prolific music career, spanning more than five decades, Dr. Davis has released several popular albums. His newest release, healing touch is a magnificent, magnificent collection of piano music that displays an extraordinary musical talent. It is available now by contact in the pinnacle offices. I want to have this be a part of it. It was in addition to what I had provided you earlier, just to show that when we talk about the theme, you know, it's not just about place, it's also about ways in which we can preserve our history. So I wanted that to be a part of this application. So we can now go to the any question. Thank you for doing that. That's why your chair actually. So yes, thank you. That was excellent. Thank you. You're welcome. OK, if there's no further, persons with staff or the applicant and we will Azure Motion to approve HTC 20250 1189 evaluation of significance for the purpose of demolition. Commissioner Senior is there a second? You're going to read them. You have to read the motion. My name. Find that the building proposed for the coalition at 8.0.9 West Moore Avenue. Does not meet any of the historic district commissions adopted criteria for historic significance, architectural design and landscape significance. I moved that the HDC recommend against historic designation. I'll second. In a second. Any discussion on the motion? Commissioner. Is it thank you, Madam Chair. Is it appropriate to attach a condition? I think that would very much depend on what that condition is and then we'll have Cindy Walters. Okay. You know, speaking. The preservation of that street tree and the appropriate tactics to make sure that it's saved. You can't guarantee that it's saved. So I'm going to ask Cindy if you can speak to that. Thank you. My concern is that if that's not directly affiliated with this body's purview, if we can do that or not, but I'll ask Cindy to unmute herself and speak to that. So can you hear me? Yes, we can. I have the same concern that you do that that is probably beyond the purview of the HDC's authority. I think that they could perhaps suggest that they take whatever provisions that are necessary to try to save the tree, but I don't think it can be an actual condition. Thank you. One thing that we certainly can do is Sheila and I can chat with forestry staff tomorrow, make sure that they're aware of it. And to the extent that it's appropriate for them to intervene, we can ask them to do so. I have one more question. I'm not familiar with the city's tree preservation slash replacement program, but when a tree, a tree dies or if the tree dies as a result of construction, does the city of a policy about replacement such as Gathusburg does, which is, I believe it's, I'm going going to'm gonna sound like a nerd now, but diameter, so at breast height is 4.5 feet, and then it's the diameter of the tree, and it's multiplied by a certain number. So if it's a 30 inch tree, then you need to plant 10, three inch trees somewhere within the city of Davisburg, if not on the property. Now in this case, this is the homeowner and you can't blame the homeowner if the tree doesn't make it, but I'm curious if the tree does end up dying as there are way, I mean, what happens is the tree tree to sit there, you know, with a stump or, you know, is it replaced? So I'm not the city forster. So I will give you the answer noting that I am not the city we do have our tree preservation code in Ornance is chapter 10.5 of the city code, which does talk about some of those things. I don't know specifically if it's removed because of construction, like all of the if-thens, but I know we do have protocols for trees are taken down that could otherwise be saved or taken out without permission. There is a replacement protocol for the size and location and all of those things. Thank you. I appreciate the time. Okay. Commissioner Golefinger. Oh, two, two, uh, Pete's comment. Um, the city does replace trees. My street several have died over the years and, um, they come back, uh, and plant another tree, where the old one was. So. Can I get another condition? Oh sure, definitely. In addition, the report that Chairman Powell gave struck me as being very significant. And although I wouldn't put this on the property owner, but perhaps the city over time, because we've talked about these sort of things before, can put this on the list of perhaps commemorative plaques that might be installed nearby to make note of the historic significance of the people who lived at that property. I think that would be in keeping with our mission. So I'm passing that over to to see what you know put that on the list of two do's for when we talk about historical plaques going up around the city. I think this should be warned. Okay thank you. Any other questions or comments? You're out in the motion. Okay of the motion, raise your hand and say aye. Aye. All of, oh, say nay. Motion passes 4 to zero. Thank you. Can I confirm something real quick? Were you abstaining Anita or a nay? It's a nay. A nay, Okay, so it passed four to one, not four to zero. Got it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you and good luck with your project. The next item on the agenda is number four discussion, all business, the status of the May Preservation Month event from staff and commissioners, Vice Chair Falseman and Goldstein Goldfinger. Sorry. Would you like to start or would you like staff to start? I just want to, well first of all, I thank, Michael and staff for sort of joining forces and making this happen and thank you to the other commissioners for participating. I think the staff has done an amazing job of pulling this together. We had a few bumps with the Grey Courthouse and I think those have been smoothed out and I'm looking forward to being there at 9 o'clock on Saturday. Likewise, thank you to staff for all the Hercules and work that you've done to pull this together It's truly appreciated. I think we we have a Super event coming up in two days and again. Thank you very very much. One quick thing, I don't wanna misslead the, we're coming early to help set up, but the event actually starts at 10 o'clock for the record, sorry. Yeah, so for the record, our event is officially 10 to noon. That's in the historic courtroom of the Great Courthouse Building. That's located at 27 Courthouse Square, just a few blocks from where we are are right here in Council Chambers. If anyone at home is listening or watching this, we would love to have you join us. We have a pretty robust program that's come together quite nicely. As we've discussed in these meetings in the past, we have a representative from Montgomery Planning who's coming to speak about their sustainability guidelines for historic buildings. We are originally going to have the kind of director of that department come and speak. She's no longer available, so she is sending us with the person who actually drafted those guidelines, which I think I don't wanna compare an upgrade or a downgrade, but it is an apt substitution that we'll be able to speak firsthand with the person who led that effort and drafted those guidelines. We also have a total of three property owners who are going to come and do kind of like a fireside chat type of panel discussion. We'll also have Sheila sitting in on that to represent a fourth property owner who could not physically be with us but has already answered the question. So Sheila kind of knows what their thoughts are and then we have Vice Chair. see her snorning over here, but she will do a great job. And we have Vice Chair Fossilman who's going to moderate that event for us. And then towards the end kind of wrapping up our program, we have Ms. Takard from Pailess Rockville who is going to share a deck about the Great Courthouse and talk about the history of that building and how it's ebbed and flowed and changed over its almost 100 years of being a presence in Rockville. So I think we're in really, really good shape. As alluded to earlier, we would love for commissioners to get there early if you're able. We cannot get into the building before 9. So don't show up before 9. But we will take you as early between the 9 and 10 o'clock hour as you are available. We'll have some kind of tasks for everyone to make sure folks are greeted. Welcome to the building. Scorted upstairs. You're not familiar with the courthouse. You might not know exactly where you need to go. So we'll make sure that that's all good to go. We will have coffee and pastries. I know that was a concern of at least one of you to make sure that we have coffee and pastries. So those will be there and staff is looking forward to a great event this weekend. Commissioner Gofinger. One question Katie or Sheila. Oh, they did. Sorry. One question. Any restrictions on weekend parking behind the courthouse? I don't believe so because we are on the weekend outside of business hours you should be fine. Yeah so there's a small parking lot behind the courthouse building there's also street parking available on two of the four streets that kind of encompass on courthouse square and then on is that Maryland? Maryland? Yeah, Maryland. Yeah. Is this entrance on Courthouse Park? Yes, we will be entering off of Courthouse Square. So make sure if you park in the rear, I believe there is a little path that will walk you from the rear of the building up to the front, but yes, we will be entering off Courthouse Square. And that will be somebody's job on Saturday to stand there. I make sure people know that is how you should enter this building. There's also a public parking nearby, in case you can. Plenty of public parking in the vicinity. And I was going to say that people can either go up the stairs or they can go down the side. There's a little side entrance there and go there to use the elevator to go up because those are a lot of stairs. And what we will do for Saturday, probably after this meeting, I will send all of you an email with contact information for me and Sheila for our cell phones. So if we are already in the building and for whatever reason you can't find us or anything like that, you have a way to get a hold of us on the day. We should be easy to find. We're going to be the only people in that building. But you know, there might be some access issues, you know, early in the morning. So that way you have a way of getting a hold of us. Any other questions or comments? I too would like to thank the staff and the commissioners for putting together our second preservation program. We really appreciate it and I look forward to the third. So we're excited about that and learning about our new topic and trying to be up with with other folks and it should be caring is what I wanted to say. So thank you so much for doing that. Sure. Okay. Same here. Thank you so much. You're welcome. So the next item on the agenda is new business and we have no new business. You look at me. And it's going to be eye contact. Okay. Okay. Number five, the next item is their emotion to adjourn the meeting. Commissioner Changyang. So I have a question about the preservation plan. What is the status of this? The historic preservation work plan. Yeah. Yeah. So it's still a thing. Actually, was that today or yesterday? Yes, today. That was today. She'll end up meeting on that. And so once a month internally, we kind of go through. We look at the timelines that are associated to the actions, see what needs to be shifted, updated. The biggest thing staff are working on right now is updating some of our preservation code. So we've talked about this on this body before, but there are many elements of our code that are frankly not best practices, and that need to be updated. They haven't been touched for a long time. One of the things, Commissioner, or Goldfinger, you mentioned earlier is demolished and by neglect. Right now, our code says absolutely nothing about that, and that's something that we think needs to change to prevent designated resources from being lost due to neglect. So staff are currently working through that. Our intention is to fold that into the zoning ordinance rewrite process because the preservation is folded into our zoning ordinance. There have been several drafts of that that are going around internally. I suspect later this summertime, we will be ready to share with this body as well as with the public. Here are some of the things that we're considering and get some feedback. In total, we are looking at probably almost exactly a year before the zoning ordinance would be updated. So we have some time, but staff's goal is to make sure that we have a draft that we feel comfortable with, that the public feels comfortable with, that you feel comfortable with, going into the authorization process, which would likely be in November or December of 2025. So what's the status of the grant? Do we? Which specific grant? We have a couple floating around.. What does tell about the couple that you have? So we received in, I think it was FY 23, a grant from the Maryland Heritage Area Authority. That's administered through the Maryland Historical Trust. That was a work to do some ground penetrating radar at the Avery Road Cemetery behind the Nature Center. We are still actively in that grant project. That grant, we have up until this summer time to finish using those funds and submit our project for reports, et cetera. We did submit another grant application for FY26 funds to that same program for additional dollars to finish that work. We think there's still quite a bit of work left to do. Money doesn't go as far as it used to go, right? So we have applied for that. I believe in July is when they will make an announcement as to if that would be funded or not. Staff also applied to the Maryland Historical Trust for some continuing education and professional development grants. Those are a non-competitive grant however they are based on funding. We have not yet heard the status of that grant request. Thank you very much for the update. So, do we get a motion to adjourn the meeting? I'll move to adjourn madam chair Vice chair falseman is there a second Commissioner go finger all in favor please raise your hand is a aye All opposed motion passes five to zero. Thank you.