I'm just going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give you a quick break. I'm going to give finish my dinner too. So I'm. I'll try not to let everybody see me eating here. What feature you at? We're done. A St. George Island. Oh, lovely. Yeah, good friend of mine had a place and they're not legally allowed to rent it right now. So she said it's. I love. Lovely. Very nice. Let's see where I can. All right. Hi, Doug. Hello. Hi, Doug. Hello. Hi, Doug. Welcome. I can see Anne. Oh, there's Carol. Hi, Carol. Hi. Kind of dark. Is that do it? No, no. Hi, Lida. Thank you. We got a lot of folks without their video on. Yeah, I'm kidding. I see Harry and I. Everybody click their videos. There we got Steve. Hello. Hi Steve. I'll be able to hear you but my camera on my computer is screwed up so you won't be able to see me but I'm here and I'm listening. Who is that? That was Jenny. Hey Rocky. Yeah. Does anybody have any idea? I think we did this before, but mega yacht technical services international is in the waiting room. Does anybody know who that is? No, we outed them last time. Unless they want to take us for a ride on the yacht. And we don't know them. So who's Allen over here? Who's Allen? Allen Ballard? It's no longer on the board. But he's not. Oh, I thought he was division chair. So we got someone named Sue. Someone named, oh, there's Alan. Sue Sullivan. Sue, can you start your video just making sure everybody's? Oh, don't. Hey, it's you speaking. And refusing to start my video. You were refusing. Okay. Anyone know there's no one don't want us to see you. Then I'm almost in my pajamas and eating dinner. No, I don't think so. In the waiting room with the user name A from hurts HERZ. They've they've left. So is Alan from hurts. He lives in Emory Grove. He's not a board member. He may have thought that that it's next week meeting. He will definitely be two people into that. This is a board meeting, right? I believe these meetings are open to the public. Yeah, I'm fired by the bylaws. I'm a little surprised that there is surprise that the public's here. I'm in but I don't know if you can hear me. This is Sandra. Thornton. Yeah, we can hear you. Okay. I guess I don't know how to get it. Visible. So I'll just be invisible. Did you have your video? They ever looked down at the bottom. You see to the left. There's the little thing that says starter stop video on the left at the bottom. On the left at the bottom of your screen or well at the bottom of a zoom screen. It's it where it's blacked down at the bottom. First thing you see is mute, and then the next thing you see is a video starter stop. Thank you. Okay. We click that to pause through start. So there you go. There you go. We'll be there, truly. Yeah. I'll sit up straight. Yeah. Or tilt your camera. Oh, that's good. Tilt your camera in. That's it. All right. Hey, Phil. Later. Good to see you. Travis and Harriet are on mute. We have your voice people. We're here. Yes I'm here. Okay. 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18 So as we need to, for quorum purposes, we have pretty two members of the board now. So we certainly have more than a quorum. and I form. Can you hear us? Yes. Jenny. Can you unmute? Can you unmute your. Can you unmute her? I'm trying. I just don't, I'm clicking on it, but it's not letting me. Okay. Oh, there you go. I'm unmuted. Here we go. Jenny, you have something right in front of your camera that fows as you are. Yes, I know. My camera is broken. I can hear all of you. Okay. And we can hear you. You have electricity over here. So. I can hear all of you. I can hear you. We can hear electricity over here. So, sorry. Go with me. My camera is broken. I can see all of you. And I can hear all of you. And we can hear you. That's good. So the only thing for flush toilets next. Okay, kid. I think you're going. Well, so the only thing we have on the agenda is this practice, the appropriation for the CSX bridge and then we have the Lannus Committee in the BOD center was what else was added? That's it. That's it. Well, then it's it'll be real simple. It dug is it okay? I don't want to proceed the Lanyard's Committee or step on Steve's toes, but do you want to go first about the CSX rail line, the bridge, the appropriation? Sure, and I don't want to presume that everybody's had a chance to look at the incredible PowerPoint presentation that I put together. As a result of all the hard work that the team has been doing over the past, I don't know, seven or eight months, but the sort of brief summary is the sort of the group of folks that are focused on, hang on one second, I'm trying to talk in, let Leon in. I think I just did that successfully. Anyway, the bridge, the CSX bridge that crosses Ponce near Artwood as you would go to Fernbank that has the G.Signage on it has been sort of an eye-sour and a group of folks, myself included, have identified that as sort of what we might call the Eastern Gateway to our neighborhood as you're coming from Decatur and that side of town. And the thought was that it really would benefit from a full restoration as the team has seen several bridges and other parts of the country done and that that could coincide with the Homestead 2022 or Homestead 200 celebration that will be sort of kicking off officially in a few years. And so there was sort of a general brief that that was an opportunity for the neighborhood to explore and we have been busy starting by interviewing several companies that specialize in the assessment of work required for historic structures and how to restore them. We have been able to whittle down the estimate, sort of looking at this from two angles, knowing that the cost was fairly significant from the assessment. We both got the price whittle down, and we hacked at it from the other side and we're able to secure funding not only from several private donors to help us initiate the assessment phase, but also we successfully lobbied OPA and we believe we've secured sort of an in-kind donation from OPA as well to sort of help offset the cost of this, what I think is about $4,600 for a true sort of construction historian to take a look at and tell us what's required. We've met with DeCab County and have been assured and indeed the sort of petition has already been submitted to the sp lost funding source for beautification such that whatever this assessment turns out to require, whether that's cleaning the concrete, there are some special tiles on the on the bridge on either side that may require a little more TLC. But our elected officials have assured us that the beautification funds can be pulled from the county and will be used to actually do the work that is required. And so we are hoping that the DHCA can fund a little less than $3,000 that would be combined with the OPA funding and the private donor funds that would really show to Cab County that we are committed and interested in the restoration of this bridge. And we feel confident that in so doing that they will come through on their end and we will indeed have what would become a very nice addition and entrance to our neighborhood from east side of town. Has everybody looked at the presentation? You have an opinion? Very impressive. I don't think I really, I don't think I really can see it on my phone as just the, you know, it's in what might be, is that what you're talking about? Yeah, that's maybe the first slide. Is that Sandra talking? No, Carol. Oh, Carol, yeah. I sent it today again in that email, it's an attachment. Okay. There's no, there's no, uh, kind of a proposal. Yeah. It just, this is just. No, we, so, uh, good question, Carol. We, we have a proposal. We actually started with a proposal from a different vendor. We then switched to Lord Aiken Taylor and had a proposal that was north of $12,000. And we've been able to carve away from that. We eliminated the engineering angle on that on the assumption that CSX must be responsible for their own bridges, sort of structural integrity. We pulled out the assessment. They wanted to charge money to not assess. Sorry, the estimation, they wanted to charge us to tell us how much it might cost to do each various piece. And we've gotten to Cab County to commit to doing that piece of the puzzle. And so we've really pulled it down from the initial proposal for four months ago, five months ago, maybe up about $13,000 to now something that we feel that's much more manageable in the $40, $600 range. Hey, Doug. This is Jenny Richardson. I just wondered. You mentioned that CSX would be overseeing the structural stuff. Are they going to donate some money to the project as well? You know, others may want to weigh in on this, but the truth matter is CSX really isn't all that concerned, although they've been good stewards of removing graffiti when you've had, and others have complained about the graffiti that's been on the bridge, I would say that they are probably not all that keen on doing anything more than sort of the base to ensure that it is structurally sound to support the trains. So short answer is I would bet they are not willing to contribute to that, but I think with the funding we're requesting from the DHCA Board today as well as the private donors and the OPA donation, we really will have all we need for the structural assessment and the gap would pay for, you know, to get the actual work done. So do you need a motion from us? I mean, do you need a motion at this point to allocate the money? Is that what we need to do? Yes. Yes. So I'll make a motion that we'll. Can I ask one quick question first? Doug, as it gone up, it was was I thought it was $4,300 I know it's only $300 for talking about But it was wasn't it 4,300 when we discussed this at executive committee The total yeah So the ass I thought the ass was 2,300 but we're asking 26 now is that correct? I'm sorry. I think I, our motion probably needs to be up to $3,000. And Doug will do the best he can. Okay. That's correct. Okay. Do I have a question? But Jan, if you want to finish your motion, make it up to $3,000. $1,000 for the bridge. Is there a second? I second. I have a question. or up to $3,000 for the bridge. Is there a second? Second. I have a question. I have a question on this. To whom and when would this up to 3000 be given because under the circumstances of the loss in government revenue, federal or local government revenues and business revenue. I think it's hard to be sure that anything much is going to be done. And I wonder if we would be, I don't want us to give up money until everybody's we're sure that everybody is going to be able to contribute. Now the other partners who are going to come up with the rest of the funds. Yeah, Sandra, I'm not, you know, I, I, from what I understand, this is sp lost beautification funding. And I think that legally has to be earmarked for the purposes that it was, you know, sort of voted on in the referendum. Certainly there are budget pressures on DeCab County and say to George, I would think these are protected. Now these monies will have to be spent. So the money that we're requesting here plus the Alpado Nation and private donations will all be spent, I would say in the next three months because we will go and hire Lord Egg and Taylor to actually do the assessment work. Then they will have an output which we would certainly share with this group and we would then take that to the cab and say, the cab, here are the five things they are recommending and we would build a plan for them to cab working with us and CSX to actually do the restoration work itself. You're working in for the planning money. Yes. Just be okay. You're not even if it were postponed a couple of years. The planning would still be good. Yeah. That's what I mean. In the other aspect of it, Sandra is dug as lined up a couple thousand dollars worth of managing money that's in the ship they sent. We have that in hand now that we move on this thing. Okay, that's good. Doug, you've got a six. CSX, have they indicated that What are not they contribute money will they somehow will they allow this work to be done or they object or Anybody tuned with their bridge no? They they actually have an entire public works manual that I've become a little too familiar with It It's 120 pages and they actually have very specific processes for just this kind of thing. So they would be supportive. They do require a public entity, which is why we approach the cab to be the co-signer on the contract. And they even have special project management companies that deal with this kind of stuff. So I've already spoken to that project management company. Arcadius is their name. And once we sort of have this in hand, we will go to the vendor, Lordeek and Taylor and Arcadius and say we're ready to initiate. They will kick off a formal project, and there's no reason to think CSX would have a problem with this. Thank you. Doug, I have a question. When Ulpa agreed to this money, how long did there was that? You that, do you guys want to speak to that? Because I know you were one of the ones that spoke to Sandra and team. Yeah, it was about two weeks ago. We met with Sandra and they were on board with it. Everybody wants the bridge to be beautified, you know, and especially in town for the um said 200. Anybody disagree that the bridge needs to be. So we have a seconded motion. We just need a vote. All right. So all in favor, you want to hold our do we do this? Doug, can we do this via whatever we just hold our hands up? I can try I can try this. We want to try it virtually. That's count hands right now. I'm doing. Well, 14, 15, 17 hands. I can't. I'm not very yet. 18 hands all opposed. Oh, here it's raised. Yeah. All opposed. So nine was that 19 then? I believe so. All right, I'm gonna write down 19 for up to 3000. All right, you're on Steve. Are you giving the goods in the Hobod Center then? Yes, it's a Hobod Center, by the way. Hobod. Hobod. Hob Center by the way. Habad. Habad. Habad. Habad. That's a hard scene. Yes, it is. Yeah, the the the the the Kabad Center, which is 1526 is it? It's not it's not the catered road one building up uphill and to the left of the old garden research center. And it's the building that is there currently is a historic home, very lovely historic home behind which has been for the last year or so in a very large tent and about what kept maybe three or four years ago, we actually assisted the Hubbod Center in getting a rezoning of the property from residential to OIT, transitional office institutional, in order for it to fit with the use, which is a Jewish student center for every students. So along comes Linda Dunlavy, who is one of our favorite lawyers involved in the cab county land use cases. And she files a very detailed application, which I hope you've had a chance to take a look at, that basically leaves the main building alone, adds a deck to the back of the building, and then adds a building which is nearly twice the size of building in front of it. Architecturally, as you can see, very, very different, a very, very different, very, very large, very tall building, which will be their hall, their events hall, the place where they will hold large, large events, which includes restrooms, a small kitchen, and a very large meeting area. The land use committee has talked about this and we're fairly clear about the fact that we oppose it because it is architecturally inconsistent with what's around it in the neighborhood. early twice, a building behind a main building, being early twice the size of the building to which it is appended, it doesn't really fit at all in the guidelines or anything, and look anything like anything in the neighborhood. So if you take a look at the drawings, you'll see there that it's wooden slats and a lot of glass. It doesn't look anything at all like the building to which it is associated as well as to buildings in the neighborhood. Neighbors, I consulted with pretty much all the neighbors and they are all very, very much against it. I can't say that they're against it for the reasons that are pertained to the Historic Preservation Commission and Historic Preservation. It's more the RABI has made the director of the Student Center has made a lot of enemies in the neighborhood due to noise and overflow of parking and other issues, but they're not happy about the fact that this big building would go in there as well. There'll be some very severely impacted neighbors, neighbors on the dead end, the local road, butt up against the back of this building. And this building will also require substantial variances both in terms of setback. And what else is there? There's a transition. There's supposed to be a transition buffer zone that is supposed to exist as well that we'll have to get variances for. And so we are opposed to it and the only reason why well, it's a significant development. So it ought to be brought by the board, but especially we wanted to bring it by the board because this brought back to me echoes of other times when we've opposed developments in the neighborhood, the one that I think of is just out of the hill from this drusal house. And the association caught a lot of health for opposing a home for mothers with AIDS, homeless mothers with AIDS. So, you know, we, I want to be sensitive to the fact that this is both a Jewish Community Center and also a university function that, you know, we could be accused of being nimbis about or being anti-Semitic or being whatever. And it's got nothing to do with why we oppose it. in the NIMBs about or being anti-Semitic or being whatever. And it's got nothing to do with why we oppose it. It's got to do with the fact that it just is so out of, out of any sort of, you know, range of what you see in the neighborhood that we are opposed to it for on that basis. But at the same time, it felt like it was politically sensitive enough sort of the board ought to discuss it. Leon, I know you had a descending opinion on this. You're not opposed, correct, and you live on Oakdale. So I'd like to hear your take on this. We've got an unmute for us to hear you. We can't hear you. There you go. I don't understand why we would oppose a structure when right next door. There's a commercial building that is much more obvious from the street. This building wouldn't be seen from the street from what I can see. It would be blocked by the house in front, but there is a office building next door that doesn't conform to anything historic in the neighborhood. And then you got CBS next to that. So it's already a commercial area. I don't see what the big objection is because they're not in any way changing the front building which does have historic status but I do not know about the complaints from the neighbors behind. Two things I would say Leon, number one is that we think of it as an expansion of that commercial flavor you know one house up and into the neighborhood. That's what's happening here. And the second thing is that it would be very visible to buildings essentially downhill toward the village from it. That that side, the east side of that building is about 30 feet tall. And so it's not you're not going to miss this building that's going to be there. Granted, it is right next to the Darden Research Center. My argument would be that let's put the commercial architectural type of a building and the size of the buildings at the Darden Center not taking further up the street. Siva and this is Jenny. I would just comment that the Darden building and the CBS building were built long before the historic district came in. So there were no rules or regulations governing those two buildings, but the house where the center is proposed is a historic house. It has nothing to do with it. So that's my two sets. It's a really nice house, by the way. So it's the rabbi's house, the director of the students and it's very nice and very well kept. Even had the bid direct discussions with the. About the project. No, not not so far. We wanted to come to an opinion first about it and it got delayed with coronavirus issues, but I will be talking to their council window about it. The rabbi has has met with us. These are really nice guys. Yeah, obviously wants to do this and he's got he must have the money to do it and he's going to be disappointed, but I think that we need to go ahead and take a stand and I will freely communicate that with them. Can I ask you questions? Sure. Yes. David, who long property? Who technically owns property? I believe it is, is it a Kabad emery or it is, it is, I believe, a corporation of which the rabbi is the principal. So. So, consider, I mean, could they accomplish what they need to accomplish with a smaller building in the back? I suspect that they would say no, no, but I don't know that. The thing that we were willing to discuss with them is a you know substantial expansion to the back of the store building, but I'm not even sure that's a good idea. It seems to me this is the kind of use and I hate to be I hate to sound like a disgruntled neighbor and a university neighborhood, but it's the kind of use that really needs to be somewhere in the university within the university and not out on the fringes of the university. Sandra, were you trying to speak? Yeah, please. How visible is this going to be very visible from Oakdale and Emory behind it? It's going to be very visible from the dead end of Oakdale. And it will be visible from a couple of different places at Emory Village, but primarily the Old Darden research building parking lot, and then down to the parking lot at the CDS. And from Oxford Road 2 on the other side of the creek, you know, if you're a devil. Yeah, yeah, that, that, that, again, a lot of the panel of the time of the year and that sort of thing, but you will be able to see it from a lot of the area on, you know, just to the north of the found north of the intersection, the intersection of the traffic circle at every village. And is this going to be used for residential purposes at all? The rabbi, the rabbi's family is there. And what the rabbi was seeking to attain was a place where he and his family to live and then have kids come in for events and kids come in to just sort of, you know, hang out there and use primarily the new building to do that. He would be able to take the house for his family now. Is the family? They're in the building. They're in 1526. In the historic house. Yes. All right, and they want to move from the historic house to this new building? No, no. The new building is just a meeting space. Okay, plus residential for some students. No, it's just purely a meeting space. Okay. Plus, plus residential for some students. No, it's just purely, purely in meeting space. Imagine they're packing a conference center onto the back of the residence. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But unattached. It's a, well, it's attached with a deck, I believe there's a large. Yeah. So there's a very, very substantial deck that will be there and that raises some issues with the neighbors because they're worried about the fact that that will be party central. That'll be a generator of a lot of noise. They're getting a lot of noise right now with a tent, which is up there, which results in, there's all sorts of functions going on there. They create a lot of noise in the neighborhood and a lot of enmity in the neighborhood. This is Annie and I just want to, I want to comment that, you know, I live near the Cater Wolford Center and they have created very bad will with the light clarinet neighborhood because of the noise, but they have accomplished some things by having only acoustic instruments and not electronic instruments, but that is an issue of having a party place in a neighborhood. Yeah. Well keep in mind too with this. This is a 3,700 square foot addition. It's nearly twice as large as the original structure. And they need variances even under OIT, which is more permissive than the old zoning. And even with that, the rear of the new structure, which is 30 feet high, will be within 15 feet of the rear property line backing up to residences along Oakdale. So it'll be very close and very personal. I don't like the optics of being in opposition to a Jewish community center anymore than I would the decap school board. I know Alan Ballard and Bruce McGregor are not of this opinion but I don't see anything wrong with us letting them know that if you bring us an application that conforms to existing OIT standards and conforms to HBC guidelines then we're willing to talk. But this is a very very large addition that's that's all out of proportion to anything that the existing guidelines allow and to what's allowed under OIT zoning. Well, David, call us on a certain way of poses and I don't think he would take it to that level we met with him about the OIT son it was quite civil actually so I don't think anybody thinking of how going there to be honest Sorry, can I just go ahead and say, sorry. Sorry. That's all right. I leave. Go ahead. I was just going to point out that the one benefit of this layout, although I understand all the opposition and, and so on, but just from a noise standpoint, the way that it's laid out, it sort of pushes the outside noise closer to the existing house, as opposed to where the tent is now, which I'm guessing is in the middle of that space. If whatever they built, if it was a little more scaled down, if they built it with noise in mind, it might actually keep protect those neighbors on Oakdale from noise if it was done correctly. Oh, I think I think it definitely would protect neighbors from noise compared comparator with ever right now because the 10,000 doesn't contain the noise very well. So they're getting really bad noise problems right now. The building would help we not regard with the building. Again, we're looking at this in terms of historic preservation and this building is about as far out as anything I've seen applied in the the campus historic district in the wild. And the neighbors are opposed to them? Yeah, the neighbors are opposed to a really... Yeah. Well they think it would be worse than the current circumstances. Yes, yes. And otherwise, yeah. Yeah. Is this the only Jewish center at Emory that Emory University would have. No, I was thinking that there was one up on Clifton Road. No, they have a hell of a- I'm sorry Leon, you were saying? They have that there is the Hale Hill House which is on the other side of the Emory campus off of House did Mill and I don't think there's any complaints about that. That's what I've been familiar with at other colleges and universities. LL House. Yeah, I won't get into all the politics of what Kabad is trying to do as far as taking over the functions of Hila, they are competing with them and where their money comes from, God only knows. We don't want to get in the middle of that. So I have a couple of questions. It's a leader. Yes, Lord. Is that okay? But before I ask them, I just want to say I thought the committee statements, Steven, was very good and especially citing all those sections of the guidelines. And I learned something from looking them up. Also include proportion. I've been so beaten down in the city that it's mass scale proportion and materials that matter to me. But what exactly does that, oh, whatever zoning allow? And what about parking? It must include some parking regulations. I'm not clear on that. You may remember this better, but as I recall, it just as less stringent than a straight hole in I, it allows for a transition. On all, and I use that transit that is adjacent to residences. Yeah, I think it's supposed to protect residences, but at the same time, not be a stringent. Alita, there are only variances for their parking under OIT. According to the plan that they submitted, they'll need variances for parking. Now, that's what I understand it. What kind of variance? I mean, the kids walk there? I'm not sure, well, they actually have parking underneath the structure. Isn't that correct Steve? I think they have about eight or nine spaces or something like that. On the east side of the building, they'll be parking underneath. I understand it's a sense of fish and given the scale and the structure and these they're supposed to have more parking believe. I think they're all miscounting on continuing to have spill over parking at the Darden Research Building at the owner, Matthew Stoddard has complained to us about. So, I don't have the part of the lighting storage footage for the footprint that they're planning on building. That's my understanding. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I? No, no, no, no doubt. Yeah. I doubt it. I don't know much about any of this. All right. Who is that? Has has Emory has the university weighed in in their favor on this? Do they does the university have any? Owners you've interest in anything about this or against it? on this. Do they, does the university have any ownership interest? I said anything about this before against it. No, I don't think they take on a position either way. Do they intend to? Do you suppose? Do not. No. I'm not sure. I'm going to be surprised if they just stay away from us. I would. Yeah. So Stephen Alita, again, another question, sort of following up on something Leon brought up, that is a Jimmy John that went where my Chevron station used to be. Correct. That certainly went through the Emory Village guidelines process, right? And in terms of mass scale proportion and so on, that had to comply. Correct. That's the only new structure really recently. Wasn't that within the existing structure of the gas station. I thought it was within the origin. It didn't change the structure at all. Yeah, I think they just gutted the building and put a new facade on it, but I think it's the same building. Okay, so they didn't want to increase it or anything. They kept the scale and so forth. Correct. Right. But this is outside of the emery the village overlay. This is outside of that church. Oh, it is? Yes. Yes. It's outside. Just outside of the EVA has already said that they're not going to have an opinion on the matter. It's outside the jurisdiction. So what is it in division seven then? Where is it? I think so, but it's within the decap historic district. Yeah, right. Okay. So really it's not the emery village guidelines. Okay. No, not the emery village. Not the overlying. So I think all we need to do is the board needs to vote. Whether we want our land use committee to oppose this certificate of appropriateness. That's correct. We're just coming up before the HPC in early June. Yes, correct. Well, I'd like to make sure my motion, Steve. Okay. Who's gonna do the motion? In the motion is. Steve's walking on. Right. Sandra, are you with it? No, I wanted to ask Steve to form a motion that he would like. Okay. Yeah. If I'm allowed to, I would just simply say authorized. We're going to authorize land use to be in the position before the application before the HPC for the reason stated in the position paper which we provided to you. Second. Okay, all in favor. Raise your hand. One two three four five six. Okay, 16. Okay. I'll hand up 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. I don't see Harriet or Sue of Roost voting. Can you see me? No. I may be on my son's page. Yes, but we can't see your face. So just tell, are you voting for the opposition? Correct. Okay, that's 17. Harriet, are you voting? Sue? Sue, are you voting? That's sufficient though. That's 17 votes. All right, that's 17. That's fine. Not voting. All of you voting from not a post. Okay, all right, it carries 17 votes, okay. I'm sorry. We'll meet in there too. Okay, all right. We talked to my son before he left. Oh, that was Carol, okay, so 18. And Jenny, I guess we couldn't see you were you voting to a post? I'm voting with the motion. Yes. To oppose. All right. 19. Okay. Okay. Is that it? Can I ask the question about the. From the Land Use Committee. the land use committee caught an email from a disgruntled resident about some clear cutting in the front yard, rear yard and side yard. I'm taking care of Jenny. I was in touch with the cab county yesterday, Carlson. The arborist was called out there. Officer Schaeff was out there. Spot work order was issued yesterday in four citations. So are the trees gone? Are they clear? It was completely gone. I drove out there as soon as I got the email notifying me of that and it was gone. The whole property even clear. They got out there on a weekend, which is indicative of intent to evade channels. But at the by come Monday, they hadn't cleared. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. They had to be on the way. that when officer Shaft came by, there was plenty of smoking guns to go around. One of the neighbors claimed that there was a little miniature tributary to Peabind or something that runs through the back of the property and they cleared both banks of it. And there was some concerns about dirt, mud and whatnot being dumped into it. All I know is there's four citations now to stop word water. Do we know why the citizens decided to do this? 12-7 Oakdale. Somebody I can't remember who told somebody said that the guy just wanted a blank slate to work with in terms of landscape he wanted to redevelop the property. Just start from scratch on his landscaping. I couldn't believe it when I dropped by there the other day. I couldn't either. It's just shocking that anybody in drill so to that. What I mean is it's been completely clear. If anybody has a scene, it's 1207 Oakdale, but completely cleared at property line to property line front. Right. Nothing standing. Not even a blade of grass. No grass, no shrubs, nothing. I've never seen anything quite like a blade of grass. No grass, no shrubs, nothing. I've never seen anything quite like it, to be honest. So this particular homeowner did not know about the regulations. I made it possible. This is a new homeowner. February of 19, they bought that house. But why anyone in a neighborhood would think that they could do something so massive without any permits is beyond me. And why any landscaping company of any, you know, size would think they could go out and do that without any permits on that property. Well, I don't know the landscaper, the truck that I saw front with a skit steer on the trailer was called the engineered solutions. And I don't know if they're the general contractor and subbed out the landscaping work or what exactly was going on. That's the only company name that I saw. But the fact that they pulled the trigger on the work Saturday morning and worked all weekend, leads me to believe that they probably knew a little something about the regulations and we're trying to evade them because that's the MO of folks trying to evade oversight or evade the county. I've seen a lot of tree demolitions and what not to take place over the weekend that tend to be a little squirrely and unpermitted. So I don't know that for a fact. But in Decap County you can cut up to five trees from the residential property per year, isn't that right? Or is that change? That is true, but you can't clear cut the whole property in the manner that we get it and then get into what may be a stream buffer. All sorts of things beyond just clearing, cutting down the pines. They cut down trees, specimen pines, and a bunch of other trees as well. Beyond whatever you're allowed, there's other issues to what they could beyond just So there was no tree cutting company involved If they're probably I'm sure there was one I just didn't see it by the time I got out there all I saw was the Yeah, engineered solutions truck. I didn't see the trees been cut You know who lives next door is Brian Bowen, lives next door. Right. Right. He communicated with us today. And I, he had gone and talked to the homeowner on Saturday and when it started and said, you know, what are you doing? And he said, the homeowner told him that he wanted to landscape and he wanted to put clean slate and he wanted to start from scratch and Ryan mistakenly just left it at that and assumed that the guy had permits. So. All right. Yeah, so there's that. Oh, and so if we're talking announcements, I finally got an estimate back from Georgia Power for the street lighting on the north end of the neighborhood. No, $275,000 or $5,000 of a fixture. So they they highballed me pretty bad. But at least I have an estimate. Probably gonna reconvene Leon if you're still interested reconvene the committee. They're gonna have to work on that quote. Maybe I could get some help from DeKed County on that. It's too high. But at least they got it to me four years later, I have my estimate. What location exactly does that include? The whole north end of the neighborhood, North Dakota, Oakdale, Springdale, Cornell, Emory, Harvard. That's really not that bad. Yeah, for that. Well, you know, I've just got to go talk to some folks about how they could do the assessment. You know, I talked with Ann about this and again, some upfront is not going to be a starter. Maybe if it was amortized over five years or something like that, people might be willing to do it. Mark, were you in when you all did the lighting up there on your part? Did the skirt department allow you to build? Will they build you like, say say bill each resident $200 a year or something for five years or something like that to make it a physical? We the cost for us, part of it was paid up front which was our fundraising effort. The other part was an attachment of $100 a year to property taxes for all the residents on the affected streets. So we didn't have to raise all the money up front. We did have to raise, I think it was 30 or $40,000, which we did get, but then everybody has $100 a year on their property taxes. Whether you voted initially for it or not, ultimately if you had a threshold number of people wanting it, then the plan went through and everybody had the $100 assessment. It was built through taxes, though, rather than, but it went to dark power. Yes. Yes. The $100 covers also covers the maintenance on the light pulse. So replacement of the bulbs, any of them get damaged, Georgia power. The other pays for the replacement of the fixture. There's a certain amount of electricity cost. I believe the 100 points more than. Regarding the replacement of the lights. Georgia power does not help us on pots. I'm said linear park lights. They don't do anything for us. They may change the bulbs. I don't know. When they're hit by a car and they're damaged, they do anything for us. They may change the bulbs. I don't know, but when they're hit by a car and they're damaged, they do not replace them. Ooh, rocking. You've had that issue several times on hot to replace those bulbs down there by lions' gate. So the city of Atlanta does it if it's in the city, public works, does it? Public works is replacing the bolts. Yes. Yeah, Bill, Bill Gribotky was part of the negotiation with Georgia Power in the County when we did Oakdale. How many how many total lights have been stolen? I don't know if the other you recall. Is it 19 or less than that? That's, yeah, it's, that's a pretty close number, I think. Okay, but as I recall, the upfront cost was something more on the order of you know, like $2,000 a unit rather than $5,000. So like it was a lot more reasonable. You said you had to raise $30,000 a box front and then a hundred dollar a year, a month or a year, a year assessment, right, for property owner. A year, a year. Yeah, but you only had 20 lights, was that right? Right. Well, like I've got 55. I was 55. I've got 55 at 5,000 in the unit. It's 275 for 55 lights. So they've, you know, I've gotten blown out of the water a little bit on, but you did yours eight or nine years ago, seven or eight years ago, didn't you? Like right, right around. Correct. Last class. Yeah. Correct. It might be 10 years. Yeah. In the bowl. Do you know how many houses all together are within the area that we're talking about? There's like a couple of hundred. I don't have the exact number in front of me, but I can get it to you. I think part of the problem too is the streets curve heavily in the area and the boring is going to be a lot more difficult, a lot more technical to run the power. Oakdale runs a lot straighter, and the boring is a lot of the cost of overwhelming bulk of it, in fact, is in the boring and the running of the power. So I think that's part of the reason that my quote has come in so high. You can imagine the difficulties of boring where every street is curving that manner. It's gonna be very cool. Anyway, so there you are. If you're reasonable, although if you're talking about 200 homes. I think it's reasonable. Well, I just I just would prefer to have a number that's the easily the most easily sellable number that I have for the general public. It's totally worth it to me. But I'd like to follow up with Mark and Leon. I think I've talked to y'all and then convene that the posse Bill Lake and the other guy that we finally got a quote, maybe brainstormed about how to make this app. Yeah, let's do that, because I would love to see that happen. I think it'd be great. I'd like to see the Colborough lights on Oxford replaced with nice ones as part of that. So I would like to do anything I can help. Yeah, those Colborough lights look like war of the world on Oxford, you know, it's terrible. I love this. There's more lights to be way better. But yeah, we'll talk exactly how that we actually have an estimate we can actually get the ball rolling. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so just to remind her everybody, um, talk to your neighbors, make sure everybody knows that the meeting next week is the presentation from the consultant. It's at 730, the link and the announcement is on our website. If they didn't get an announcement via email or if you don't have it, the sent to them. But be sure that that message is out there. So nobody says, oh, I didn't know. I didn't know. It is next Wednesday, 730 and the link is on our website. Okay. Okay. This is Jenny. Could you give an update on the incident with the standoff and all that just so that people are aware of it? At Ponds and Plichten. Yes, we had a SWAT team and Rocky's home was invaded. Yeah, the I attended a bond hearing for the gentleman last Monday and it was denied. And so I think he's going to be in jail for a while. They will let me know before there's another hearing. I will add that the public defender assigned to the individual said that he was so severely mentally disabled that she couldn't have a coherent conversation with him. That explains that. Somehow he was attached to your area there on cell phone. A little more concerned about why mentally unstable people get such easy access to guns because they had a couple. Yeah, probably took them out of one of our cars. That's not funny in. It's true. That true. True. Um, and this is Carol. Am I to report on the NP Biola changes tonight? I don't think there'll be time next. Oh, yeah, you can. Yes, we don't think there'll be time next week. Oh, yeah, you can do that. Yes, we won't have any other regular business next week. So go ahead. Okay, so basically what the bylaws changes are for the NPU, it's to really provide for Zoom meetings. That's all it really does. So they have to change the bylaws to say how you how you certify attendance and who gets to speak, et cetera. So it's really not, it's just that they're only changing them so that they can work from a new format if necessary. And so we just need to say that the Red Hills is fine with that. Right, but supposedly, whole neighborhood is supposed to be able to vote on this. Oh, you don't want to neighborhood. So I'm just going to wait to hear from anybody who's opposed to this. I think Fran was just a division one. Right. Fran was going to put that in the email to anybody opposed to this to contact me. So I could do that vote. But otherwise I could say that I guess only division one votes on this right? Yes. Okay, so division one. Hey Sharon, could you could you send out? Oh dear, can you make some type of notice for a friend to post on our website. Sure. And let as many people as you have email addresses for no, but if we posted on our website. I think I asked for you that. I asked friends that I would see an email. I would have seen that to you. Okay, great. One other thing. Randall Fox wants to change his Spring Festival to August 9th and 10. So it does not have to come before us to do this, but it does have to go before the NPU, but we put in our two cents worth. So I know how much you all love Randall Fox. So is that the festival on Ponds? Yeah. And I don't know what's happening to the usually as a fall festival too, right? Right. Maybe we'll all be one festival. Maybe anyway that's just the information that there's of the happening in August. Well Carol do we have any reason change our opinion of that situation. Randall Fox. Right. No. I guess this is also sitting in Atlanta. Vote, right? Randall Fox. About his organization and the We're not. So, do we need to vote on that? Are you just expressed that we're not tremendously impressed? Okay, the NPU are supposed against it anyway. Okay. Whether we will have a sore there on this meeting from the city. Four, five. Here are a Travis. You I. Jan. Hi. Hi, Sharon. One, two, three, four of you. Is Travis still there? Yes. Oh, yeah, I'm still here. Three, four, three, four. One, two, three, four. Next, I have six of us. The city. Oh, yeah, Rock,. In the city. Oh yeah, rock, these are the ones. Yes. Can you, Sharon, Alita, Jan and I? Well, if y'all have a comment, let Carol know. Okay, I got that. Okay, I echo Travis. I'm with Carol. Yeah. Don't mind how to do that chat. We all have to learn what chat. Is everybody else know chat? For next week, right? Yeah. Yeah. If I have. I think that's it. Okay. Well then are we adjourned? We are adjourned. We're all for coming. Yeah. The big meeting. Let's all be there. Okay. Okay. Yep. Capitition. Again, we didn't approve the past minutes. That's procedural matter. Oh, gee. That's right. Oh, you mean the minutes from the February meeting? We have never we met last. Yeah. We have and they're posted. November and January are posted. Yeah, we did not need to be worried. When we get them, we can push and approve the minutes. Yeah, well, I haven't read them. Is anybody read them? No, we have approved everything that was sent out. The last time we met was we had Zoom, so we did half minutes. Yeah okay but the February the February meeting didn't we didn't have a February meeting okay all right we met on Sydney. No then we're good. We're good. Thank you. Are we adjourned? We are adjourned. You guys can come in the next day. Thank you all for being here. Thanks. Bye.