Okay, I've got 135. We will reconvene in open session, picking up with item number 18 on our agenda for today, which is a workshop. We were very, very fortunate to have Alexis. I always forget last night. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechanic. Mechan we don't have this really a formal presentation but I would ask Alexis to kind of go through the draft hit some of the high points and then I think there's maybe some questions you might have the court on kind of which directions we need to we need to focus on in getting our plan put together. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Alexis and man, this is, it's other than some more bees that we found. It's just in the easel. It's really amazing. Thank you all for having me today and for taking this workshop to go over some of these tedious things. I've brought some components of the master plan that are related to the future use of the courthouse. Jennifer Miller has had me look at a short term approach and the long term approach is how we're thinking of it. And how to utilize the courthouse, so the short term approach is to think about the courts remaining basically the same departments that are in there currently keeping the 440th and county court law and everyone over there and what improvements can be made in the space planning that's there. And the long term approach would be to consider moving the courts out of the courthouse and going to an approach that that the THC prefers, which is to have Commissioner Court and the county judge. the courthouse and going to an approach that the THC prefers, which is to have Commissioner Court and the County Judge office in the courthouse. Those are the two approaches that we'll get to you. So I've got stacks of things in here. What I'll start with is with the big image on here. So this is a part of the assessment where we came and looked at the building in November. I put an executive here on the second page with some bullet point items. What I generally want to say is that the courthouse is in excellent condition. There are minor, well, there's one structural concern. And of course, it needs new HVAC, needs to be fire sprinkled. That's what things that you're aware of, right? But we didn't see any other emergencies that were happening over there besides needing the things that I'm sure you were aware of. So this list that's here it identifies the fire safety concern, which would be fire sprinkling. That would be a part of the approach for the courthouse to meet building come. There's an accessibility concern, which is only there because accessibility codes have changed since those modifications were done, and while it met ADA in 87, it no longer meets ADA. The third item is a basement, rising dam and at fluorescence. This is the biggest impact that we saw. In the basement, you've probably seen the dusting that's on the floor continuously. What we identify is that the cause of that is a Moisture constant moisture's present underneath the building. There's a, was it a well that's in the basement that we know of that's got a some pump in it. So we know that there's a water source that exists. So it likely keeps the ground voice underneath it. The foundation walls are sitting on a stone, a wider stone slab under each of those walls. The stone is just letting the moisture soak up through the wall. So the rising damp is moisture soaking up into the wall. Usually it goes to three or four feet of the wall. And as it evaporates on the wall, it will leave salts on the wall. So a couple, if you have attached the structural assessment that goes over some of this, so they call it antleressence. They put a picture of the brick chimney in here with the white salt deposits. That's what that is. It's the moisture evaporating out of that brick, leaving the salt deposit. With the rising damp, what ends up happening is that the mortar, which for that building, should be a lime-based mortar, which is softer than our modern mortar, which has a higher Portland content. So in that wall, the mortar is softer than the rock, the limestone. So the mortar will deteriorate first. And so the dusting we're seeing is the mortar deteriorating and possibly some of the salts. Some of the repointing that has happened over there and you see it in the hallway of the basement when they were they repointed with a darker mortar that had a heavy sand content, you'll notice it. Now that I pointed it out But that was you've done with a higher Portland content. That is harder than the limestone. And so where that is present, the limestone will deteriorate. It's just whatever is the weakest material is going to deteriorate with the moisture. So that moisture is hitting the the Portland, and it's sitting with a lime stone, and then the lime stone deteriorates. So regardless of the materials that we have in there right now, the natural materials, the original materials, they're going to deteriorate because of the water that is infiltrating from below ground. We can't turn the water off. It's not, we don't think it's due to leave, right? Because of that well being present in the basement, it appears to be natural, a natural source, spring probably. And this is very common. I was showing to Miller a link to Lee County where they were addressing this issue and the underpinning of the foundation walls. That courthouse is 1898, same exact issue. So how you fix it and this happens a lot in New York City, other buildings that have solid masonry perimeter walls is that you replace that stone footing with the concrete footing and then it stops the moisture. So they call that underpinning and so what they will do is they'll dig down and they'll do three foot sections at a time, all along the wall, to put in that footing of concrete and take out the stone. That would be all walls, exterior perimeter and interior, any lone bearing wall is masonry. And that would stop the moisture from rising up the wall. That's a very extreme solution, but it'll solve the problem forever. There's other ways to address it. I mean, so that's over here on extreme. Another way that is addressed is viewed as a maintenance item to be addressed continuously. And first we would want to remove all of that high Portland border. And we want to put in a line base mortar so that the mortar is softer than the limestone. So we're not deteriorating the stone. So we fix that issue. And then we'd put together a cycle of, and work with the structural engineer have frequently we want to do it. But you'd have to replace that mortar because the mortar would continue to be great. So I don't know if that's three, five years, whatever, you'd have to budget for a re-pointing exercise. So that's the worst, that's the worst item. But you have some options to think about, right? Would I have to fear it? I think Dindley County didn't appear when they put all those concrete. Did they appear those two or? I didn't see a period. I saw a website from the structural concrete stuff. I did the work. And they said they were finding voids under the building as well. So I know that they definitely had to address. So I'm spending those periods with probably about the avoidance that they found. The structural engineer in the assessment, they also offer sort of the middle approach, which maybe doing the underpinning to the wall that the public interacts with the most. So maybe you do the public corridor walls in the basement and then you do the maintenance recoining on back-to-count walls. There may be a way to not have to go whole hog and do the underpinnings for all of them because it will be a pricey. And as a part of the master plan, we will price for a a percent underpinning and we'll also look at a repointed. So you have an idea of what that would be. Not to start off with the worst thing in this, but that was the worst thing that we came up with. Other items that are in the assessment will be roof leaks. I think you all are probably aware of it. It seems like the mechanical connections of the sheet metal have failed. And so right now the sheet metal is dependent on the liquid of ripping. And you can visually see where that liquid applied ripping has failures on the domes and such, right? So ultimately the sheet metal joints need to be repaired. That's going to be the long-term solution. And the link would apply and it's just gonna get you another, the lifespan on that. And it's a difficult surface even for anyway. The another thing to just be aware of is the concrete slabs in the building. So this is all Laura slabs, not in the basement because that was poured later, but the first, second and third, it's cinder concrete. And you can see in the basement on the underside when you're looking up that it's a dark black color. So it has a higher cinder content in it, which made it lightweight, which is why they were using it. The concern on that is that cinder concrete is highly susceptible to moisture. You just want to be aware that if any leak is discovered, you want to fix it immediately, that there's a concern on its structural integrity when it's exposed to moisture over a long term. Luckily, you guys don't have any roots. I've had seen it where it's on the roof and then it becomes a real nightmare. There was a concern about the bell attachment and that the connection has become partially detached. That's something that I've added to this list and then site handrail replacement. I think this is a long accessible routes and maybe from the south. It doesn't have the 12 inch extensions that code currently requires that that's all the the comment that involves it's just the long the busiest entrance is to the courthouse to upgrade those handrails to meet those encodes. But that was good. Those were the assessment concerns. The list following is just using it in the THC's language, so they ask for a list of endangerment items. I don't want this to sound like it's all negative, but this is how the THC categorizes things, and it's not this bad. I thought he wants you to know that we're just putting it in the way that the THC uses it. So going to the following pages, I just included the structural engineer and the assessment teams. So we'll continue to fill these out for the architectural ones, which the four houses integrity for architecture is great, it's amazing that so much of it is original. It's going to be tacky. The next staple item, as I've included a building analysis for the current courthouse, and then anticipating a fee for restoration. So some of the things, what this shows you is where it struggles with current building compliance. It also gives you some like total roast-square seats. On the back page it has the list of non-compliant items requiring covered and fiscal approval and variance. So you guys want to tell me who your code official will be. Sometimes it's the county judge. Sometimes it's the city building code official. Who matter that is? We can go so that the existing building code allows for historic buildings to have a compliance report with the local building official and come to an agreement on the approach. So Alexis is trying to dung it down into my terms. An interlocal agreement between the city of Gatesville and the county as to who would be that person so that we're kind of, so they've got some coverage on their side and then the county is also covered in with with respect to those variances. Is that kind of yeah? I guess it's if you if you if you if the county would have the Fire Marshall review if we want to submit a report to the fire Marshall compliance or Some counties we don't do any of that. Because they don't have to comply with the city yet. You all can tell me how you want to approach that. What I will develop is a letter for perv existing building code that has here the concerns, clients concerns and here's our approach that we would suggest. And of course none of this will mean anything until there's actually a construction project. But I think it's good to have a plan approach for that. So the building of the main fire e-rust stair is open. And there's one primary fire e-rust stair. And that's typical for county courthouses in Texas. And usually when being renovated, we add a fire sprinkler system. We say that the safety of the courthouse is being improved from how it's been for the past 110 years. They were improving the safety of the building. And so then we should be able to continue to occupy as it has been. So on this back page, I've got the non-compliant items if you're following the strictest letter of the code, but existing building code allows for this compromised item. so we've got a vertical opening so two-year exit stairways are not closed Existair requirements. So the The cast iron stair the main stair there are portions of it where it goes down to 30-seconds clear Code requires for you But we've got two of those so overall we have more than 32 inches of clearance, right, but just not in together. We're using these spiral stairs. Our second means of egress. That's a common courthouse concern. In a lot of times it's not a problem because that's spend the second means of egress forever as well. And then we've got a three-story open atrium that's open to the egress stair. But I think adding the fire sprinkler system is what makes this a viable approach. So that's what would be recommended for that. That's the code analysis. You'll see in the programming plans, what we look at is that as the restrooms get renovated to meet ADA, the count gets reduced for the number of toilets. Because you can't fit the clearances that you need in those restrooms. And so I've got a layout to add additional restrooms in the courthouse. But I'd like you all to consider, or tell me you're not interested. The last small item I've got is the programming, which is really just us interviewing the departments to see how many people they have and how much storage they have and what room it's in. And so we interviewed everyone in the courthouse, and then we interviewed here the treasurer and the auditor and the county judge as well. So what I would ask is if there's any other departments that I need to interview as we look at the plans that may potentially fit into the forecast. With these programming lists, so it's asked for their existing space usage, and then it's asked for any expected growth over the next five to ten years. If you see anything incorrect, let me know too. And I'll get it correct. And then the last item that I'll buzz through real quickly is I've included a set of existing plans that we developed with that Matterport scan. So this is that first larger set of drawings to the site plan and then we've started to do the talent as well. They're working progress, right? We're always finding something to fix on them. We've got that Matterport scan out on the internet that I probably need to reshare a link to, but you all can use that to walk around it. It's been really helpful for us not being local that we can just hop on there and check a room out. We get those plans finally corrected, and then in this master plan, we'll share these in to learn format, CAD files, whatever, whatever you guys would like. And then when you're ready, we'll move on to the last two larger sets, which are the short term and the long term drawings. The short term drawing should be the first one is the current departments that are over there. They would remain in addresses making the restrooms and the basement accessible. So it reduces it to one toilet. We try to get two in there as much as we could, it wasn't possible. In this basement level, we added a break room, a common break room. I don't know if that's really needed. Everyone's got their own refrigerator in their office and a coffee maker. Sometimes you can eliminate that in the office and add a second occupant to it and have a common break room. But this would be a good location for a break room if we wanted to show a common one. It removes the former Commissioner Court room that was over there and opens it up for the County Court for additional storage. On the first floor. There's really not much to the change in the bottom right-hand corner. I've got the county judge having a small office there at the exterior and having pre-trial services into that other half of it. On the second floor, there's no change, and on the third floor, there's almost no change. I didn't change the restroom one with the third floor either. It's no way to get additional restroom in here. On the short term, the only real change that may be possible, you all can tell me if this even makes sense. It seems like the one department that may not be as closely tied to the courts is probation and that they seem to be in conflict maybe with the courts. They needed a waiting area for the families that are there. They have a noise conflict with the district courtroom. The only you know major change for the short term that we could see would be moving probation elsewhere. We want to count the long term real quick and then you'll get all the info and then we can discuss. So next set long term, this would be if the court functions were removed from the courthouse, I know a lot of these courthouses, the concern is security, and having the court functions in the courthouse creates that security concern. And so being able to remove them can help eliminate that concern for the building. That's what we have looked at for this long term. The long term, the basement restrooms are the same. We're down to one unit with the stall, so you can have somebody waiting in there. On the first floor, we've got the courtroom on the first floor reoriented to the historic arrangement. I'm showing the front of bar area like it was historically, but I don't know that that's what's right. The other approach would be that it would have a desk at the judges' commission, and then we'd put two historic tables next to it and set it up for Commissioner's Court. We'd have the rail where it's shown and then we'd set up a commissioner court with the reconstruct the judges bench and two historic table. I think that would be the alternative for it. If what she's talking and I don't know if you've been inside. Bell County's historical courthouse. There, commissioners court is set up very similar to what she's talking about. It used to be the old county court and they now have a diocese where the commissioners sit, but there's some tables that are down in front of it. that are down in front of it, kind of where you would see the one table with the two chairs in that kind of railed-off area. I think that's kind of what you're alluding to to kind of make that more of a functional courtroom for a commissioners court. Yeah, and there's so many of the historic tables over at the courthouse. I think it would be great if we could use them as a part of the court set up for commissioners court. And we can build the dius as well, but incorporate as many of those into the court set up. As long as they're refinished and have a nice top right I think that would work So with the commissioner courtroom. I've got an executive session room there to the left The kind of executive assistant with the county judge on the left hand side I have The conference room 104 so that's a conference room slash historical commission and meeting room with the vault in that room. Jumping across the South entry, I've got two commissioner offices there. And then jumping across the East corridor, I've got the clerk offices, which I don't have an occupant for in this layout. And so that's a question mark for me. And you'll see the on-off-depot in area is the clerk, which is quite a bit in this first floor and the basement in the layout. So I'm just kind of spitballing at this point. Room 117, I don't believe was originally connected to 118. Okay. I believe that's a cut in that wall. Would you agree, Ms. Newton? So looking at, you know, kind of future use, what we're kind of planning things out at. I think it might be worth considering 117 as a commissioners room. So now we've allocated three of the four. It's about 125, there's two options there. Well, I think I'm not sure that that's an original wall separating those two. I don't, I'm seeing that off the top of my head. I don't know whether that is or is not an original wall. But if, and much like if you see the one where pretrial services is, if you look on the other plans, you'll see that that corner is cut. That's not an original wall. That diagonal right there. Only the existing plan, we've got them kind of color coded. So it leaves that there's a color to it or a hatch. It'll show that it's not original. And I think we emailed those to all of you. So you've got those access to those. And if you've got any insight on who, what departments were originally in parts of the building, let me know or if you disagree with something on it, let me know because some of this is like a doing a puzzle blindfolded. Well, let me jump to the second floor and see and see if anything else jumps out. So the district courtroom, we're showing us a ceremonial courtroom and we do have those drawings for the floor plan for the court layout. I do think that the desk that's in 209, I think that is a judges bench desk. I don't know if it was from County Court or from District Court, but it could go in either location. So we're showing that as the judges bench here, one of the roll top desk was used for the court position in front of the judges desk and then it had this rail built around it. I think I know where there's a roll top desk. It's a couple of them over there. Yeah. So we're showing that there in front of the judge. And any piece of where you see the age, that means the historic and it's currently over there. Going to the left, Going to the left, we've got a two office suite for a visiting judge. And then 203 using that as a conference room, similar how it's used now. And then on the west side would be the treasure offices. And I've got HR that maybe that'll be its own department, but right now it's under the treasure's department. So we've got each of the labeled treasure office would then have access to that vault with stairs. And then on the third floor, on the west side, I've got two commissioner offices, but if we get one downstairs, that solves one problem. So we'll find the other, the best place for it downstairs. The restroom and then moving to the east, we've got the auditor with this layout. The auditor would have to go down to share the vault with the treasure or I would need to fit the auditor into the county clerk's space so they could use the vault there. So then the last two pages, we're thinking that what starts to happen, the building becomes light on restrooms and accessible restrooms. They're kind of awkwardly spaced as it is. of the best locations locations for restroom just so it's proximity to existing plumbing chases would be to locate it there in that right now it's that conference room because the plumbing chase is happening in that vault 207. So we wanted to see what it could look like to have an accessible restroom on the first and second floor in addition to the basement. So this was a potential layout. So you're at least getting one sex on each floor with an accessible restroom. Does this eliminate the women's restroom that's kind of an employee restroom on the first floor? Right now because you just have an X right there. It's that. Well, yeah, so I'm not, don't have confirmation from MVP. I'm concerned That we may need that position for conducting Okay, usually we'll need a chase in each quadrant. They haven't told me it had to go away So it I'm trying to show you a worst case scenario And I hope to make it come back in this plan. No that that's fine I was just I mean that's kind of you just stood out at because there wasn't a something there. Yeah. Now I hope that it will remain and I'm afraid that they'll they'll want that for a chase. But I wanted to show you guys the other plan and not scare you with the restrooms plan but this would be a way to get a public restroom on that first and second floor. That's successful. Well, I think my questions for today are if I if you want to show the THC a short term in a long term plan, I think it's a good product to give you direction for how to remain with the courts in the building and show the THD that and it tells the THC that you're maybe working towards a future of different departments in the courthouse and we don't know how far out in the future that is. And then we've got some unoccupied space in this long term plan. And if there is a department that you think could be fit for that. And if I is a department that you think could be a fit for that, and if I should interview them. Or that archive. So, you're talking about having an archive over there or a record archive. So, I plan on that. I don't want to put words in. I shouldn't say that way. I would defer to Ms Newton with records archives in the basement. I believe that there are numerous people that go down there that they like the feel of doing research down there. There's, you know, just the historic records blended with the historic courthouse, I think is a good fit. But that ultimately means that you're one of your successors down the line is effectively operating in possibly a new building and the courthouse. So I'd welcome your input as a how you thought about that and that does I think make an effective use of the space It also keeps activity in and out of the building and and It's my belief that we don't want to turn it into a museum And the more areas that we can get Regular sustainable traffic in and out of there. I think think is a good use of the space and then would reduce a space and a storage need in a new facility. So. That's all I would do. I think I'm going to. And we can start. Everyone's going to want to. That. Like, then, you don't want to. I'm not. That's the best way to make this. What I may do is have you or talk with you about how much of a book print that may be. I'm going to go to the next slide. 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And, you know, I've just made a guess, right? This is the plan for Cori El Croni and you know I've just made a guess right? Yeah. I fully anticipate I didn't guess right 100%. Please let me know. I mean, I can't say that I've ever sat down and reviewed a detailed set of plans this way. So it's almost one of those, at least from my standpoint, I don't know what I don't know. You did touch on kind of what the historical rooms are. And I've never seen a document. So everything that I know is anecdotally. It might be worth our while to. Call in Judge Jones. She's a former. JP her husband. Bo is Bo still. Yeah. But then we need to call Bo and to say, what does he know? Because he would, he would have been an employee. Prior to and after the 87 renovation. Judge Ziegler, I think we've mentioned a little bit, he's told me some anecdotal. So you know his background. Judge Ziegler was the 52nd District Judge. His father Floyd was the county judge in the 40s. So from again, an anecdotal standpoint of direct lineage, he's identified some of the offices that I didn't know. Like, first floor where Judge Lee currently is in his bailiffs, he expressed to me that that was the county attorney's office. Let me share one thing and I don't have this written down in the pocket and this is what I was sharing with Joseph Miller before. This is what I was sharing with Joseph Miller before. This is just an napkin ballpark number, but cost lines for a full restoration. Say the Coriel applied for a grant and had a restoration set together, right? The THC increased their funding to 10 million this past year, and so that's what they've been giving, right? So Corial received 10 million. It's 27,083 gross square feet. And we're seeing a range between $500 square foot and $700 square foot. 500 for the larger courthouses and 700 for the smaller ones, basically. So that puts you in a, for the 500, which I think is probably closer to Coriel and we'll have an estimate in the part of this process, but the napkin estimate would be 12.8 million to 18 million. And then the 10 million THC contribution. The Commissioner of Action, you're tasked to fundraise for $2.8, anywhere from $2.8 to $ from 2.8 to 8 million. And I'll, I'm going to go ahead and schedule that update on our next commission's court meeting. If you just let's know where we stand on that. That, that, let's be going. Well, we'll narrow it down as this process goes along on get Phoenix 1 restoration, a contractor that we work with a lot to do the estimate for us. So that will get us to the correct ballpark for the winter. And there's I think maybe less work than with other core houses, so I think we'll be closer to the 500. I think we're put number 77. You need to shoot for about four stars. She knows she's afraid. We got something left over. We'll just be feeling better. initially to shoot for about four stars. No, she's afraid. We got something left over. We just can't even feel it. There's a lot of strength in me. Right. I don't think I should have down her. Well, that's it. First, probably don't be in the big. It's a great priority that we can definitely. Great. The way that don't redo the eagle if you ain't got the beads out. You better say that eagle. I tell you what, I'll redo the eagle if you'll go get the beads out. You know what? I said, I'll redo the eagle if you go get the beads out. You get the eagle. Parsley. You get the eagle. That one. You can say, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you get the, you but no, no, no, no. I should have let it from your younger brother, from your dad's. Not to the, not to the nesbots or the hens. No, they were, they were good friends shot up or whatever. But when they did the 87, there's a local sculpture that he was commissioned to do that. And, matter of fact, if you're ever at the Texas Ranger Hall of Fame over in Lake O, he did the sculpture of the cowboy Texas Ranger on the horse outside of it. He's got some larger sculptures up in the DFW area. I mean, he's pretty talented, talented individual. And his family had the auction barn that is now Now, a chorale community church up on the hill. So anyway, that's kind of a side one. Could you touch on just a little bit because I want, I'd like for them to hear it because it was news to me that apparently two of the statues that are up there are not originally and I'll let you kind of talk with that piece if you would. Yeah, I think the museum has a great display in the photo, but we've been talking about how strange it is that the liberties statues, they're diagonal on each other. There's one on the southwest and one on the northeast and they were both removed and I don't have to date in my head of when that happened but they appeared to be damaged during storms but just the the justices the liberties are original and remained. So a lot of the photos over at the museum, you'll see the justices, you know, with the scales. But for some reason, the other ladies are gone. Pretty early in the photos, they're both gone. something about the the shape of them or something because we're seeing a lot of evidence of storms probably coming from the west that there's more aggressiveness and like the north and the west on the building and I know that you would got the window in the district courtroom that pops out or the sashes pop out because of heavy winds. So that's definitely taking the storm run over there. So that makes sense for the one on the southwest, but I don't understand one of the northeast is gone. But so what would, who, the ladies that are out there now are from 87 and we do have a shop drawing for them but I don't have the the material mix on them and they're also the two ladies that are having the worst coating failure on them. So I suspect that the coating is not reacting well with the base metal that they're made out. It's notwithstanding as well as it is on the original goddesses. And I thought that was important beyond it because I know I get. I get lots of comments about, you know, the aesthetics and, you know, when are we going to get those repainted? And there's a lot of times I don't have answers to. Well, we have a vote for the California Biggs. That was four hundred and ninety thousand dollars. Well, we're gonna... That's what we thought was four hundred and eighty thousand dollars. That's the other. What are they? Out of that field. Well, I'll defer to architects and kind of what they might steer towards. Absolutely. I'm going to be jumping off top here. But when we get this employees, in my opinion, and there are certain things that I think we need to address. So I'm going to invite her. Can we do that? I suppose it's a spammy complaining place. Can we go out for two? So maybe the dogs, broken, are mine. We'll borrow damage to this. Heartening core house. Heartening core house. You know, bringing more damage to it with the grains. Is there like stuff like that, or not the more issue you're talking about? Can we, can we, not be focusing that, might we go actors, you kind of fund them? Yes. You won't get it from the THC basically, right? That they will fund them part of a full restoration. But they will fund it as part of a full restoration. But they will fund it as an emergency grant and then that's a 5050 match. Oh. It in. So one thing to think about, so Corel will do really well when it does go for funding because of the age of the building and it being adopts in Corel House, right? But it's one in six left. It will be very competitive when it does that, right? I don't want to say that you'll win, but you'll probably win, right? Just because of that alone and how great the integrity is. The way that the grant funding works is that you would have signed, you could have filed for what they call a fanning, which gives you money to fund the restoration design documents so that you have a restoration drawing and the spec package. And then with that at the end, you would apply for a construction grant. So each one of those is a two year cycle. So now you're four years out. And then you would be ready for construction. If it's possible, you can jump. You can save two years in that process. And fund drawings for the restoration. And then have it be a part of the construction grant grant because it's money spent on the courthouse, right? But you would have to be able to fund those drawings and then be reimbursed when it gets funded for construction. Just thinking in long-term planning, right? And then the other thing that's out there is, if the, when, if in when the courthouse gets restored, you have to have some place for everybody to go up the temporary. Which often ends up being a county annex. And maybe you have space or maybe you don't find but that's something that you may need to plan for. So scenario one would be that, and I think this was kind of in our original discussions is that our master plan would be, would be ready to submit to the THC this summer, which then potentially puts us, depending on how quickly they would act on it, potentially puts us in a position to be able to apply for the planning grant for 2025 as well. Hey, I got to get my my legislative years. They just announced in 24, so it'd be 26. Okay, so they'll get their funding package in this legislative year to reward in July of 26. Okay. So we submit our master plan this summer. It would get approved, and you'd be ready to apply. And that usually happens in March, April of 26. 26. and We would see that funding, potentially receive that funding, which would then put us in a position to apply for the construction restoration grant in 2028. Yes. And those are usually two years of construction nowadays. So it would be realistic. So again, trying to look at the timelines. And we've got the construction drawing or we've got the drawings that would be part of our RFQ that we would submit to qualified individuals up there to base their cost analysis on. So is it realistic to them think that first part of either late 2028 or first part of 2029, we could then, I mean, that project would begin. Yeah, so THC will give you, I think standard thing if you've six months to be under contract, but I've been projects where the granted extensions, right? It's available. You know, up to a year to get that contract signed with the contractor. Yeah. okay. And then with option B is that we have our plan submitted 2025. And. Yeah. Well, we really can't don't they've done with this one. Yeah, we want we can't get the drawings done before the grant cycle of 2026 comes around. No, no, so this tells us that we, it's the court decides it would be best to pursue a cleaning grant in 2006. Okay. Well, I'm just gonna go play the lottery and make a tax deductible. It'll be so plain and grand, it'll be so much smaller, rest hold and then you tax of Dr. Boone. It's a planning grant. It's a much smaller threshold. And then you'll have drawings in your hands. You could pick scope out of that and accomplish scope as needed from that drawing set. I think it puts you in a good position to do whatever you want with those drawings, whatever you need, right? Whatever the building you. I was saying that, so we're just as we talk here, so So, 2020-A is the first time that we would potentially have a large amount of money coming in. So between now and 2028, I think you'd mention within the master plan, there would be, especially but I'm dressing more of the more degradation within the basement and that maintenance plan in there that maybe doesn't quite go to the degree of underpinning, but what can we do reasonably on our own until we get to a larger scale project under some grant funds or something like that. So we would have that as a tool to be able to address some of our maintenance issues as they are today. Yeah, and that re-pointing work we can assist with the recommendation on the mortar mix and re-pointing work, you know, it's going to be plenty of local trade men that would be qualified to do that. Okay. Questions or other things from the court? thing. Okay. Lex, I don't want to keep here unnecessarily. I mean, that's wonderful. I mean, I'm excited. I'm encouraged. Obviously, they're, you know, in the first summary piece, there are some things that we certainly need to address, you know, I mean, but just to kind of see the drawings. I mean, that's just impressive in itself. So, thank you. Yes, I think come together and it seems like we haven't been doing too much. I didn't mention if I should have a product yet, but it's going to start to come together. But I think on the programming, the short term and the long term, that's what I would appreciate your input on in what you want, because we will see you to see. So, why don't we try to make any any, uh, you know, snap decisions, but based off of, uh, what she's presented, is there anything, you know, in short term that you, you see is out of line that you're just not comfortable with at all. I haven't seen anybody. short term that you see is out of line that you're just not comfortable with it off. I have to say I just think a lot of time to go on Nobody here recorded a stand on the floor. He's not your drug choice and not the meaning of that. We've not just run for early, we've been left in the lead battle. Journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Yeah, I don't think we're going to talk that more. It was a good idea. I mean, I think we're going to go right after the one. I'm sure that was right. My name is Dr. Longford. I don't know. That's a four-doughnut, done-doughnut, now. It's done with the right one, but I eat it. I do. Anyway. I think there's good news and that there's options on it. All right. You can do the maintenance approach or you can just go whole hog and fix it in either way. That's the extra evasion and what does the changing coming out and saying that's a vlog. It's been in that basement, I mean, 16 grand in that rock and say, oh, that's good. Well, and one thing all before how you have it, you put lead into pink over it. it. I mean, we have trapped in moisture, behind that laden text, it's best to do, we've been doing a lot of the mineral coatings, we've allowed it to breathe. That's what you'll see in down there is the laden text, trapping the moisture behind it and then it's just bubble. Cool. Yeah, that's why brush will never get started. Like it gets more maintain batch, you know, wax on wax off. It's to me. I mean, I think the good news out of it though is, you know, potentially this summer, you know, when we get the line based, you know, recipe for, you know, the mortar and we can, you know, we can address areas, the worst areas, you know, as we go. Oh, that's incredibly. Yes. And being, you know, as if you look at as a progressive thing, then we look at, you know, where can we start removing paint down there and then putting those coatings. So now I'm decreasing the amount of moisture that's trapped in there. And if one of us does win the lottery, then ultimately we look at the underpinning of it because that's what I understand. It's going. Your preparation of the bill. You're fixing the problem. So, I mean, because even if we went in right now, let's just say, how to take the win in, somebody wrote us a check and we went in, we, we underpinned it. Well, underpinning does not replace the more that's missing. And it doesn't remove the, you know, higher content Portland. you know so there's still those things that we're going to have to address at some point. Even if the underpinning is done. So to take the things that we can do from a reasonable budgeting standpoint, and work that in as we're addressing addressing the other things that are gonna have to be done. And I think that would reflect well if we're talking about being set up for 2028. And we submit our application to the THC for the big grant money to say, hey, look, we didn't wait on you. We got the master plan done and then we took the steps that we could reasonably take based off of executing the master plan following it. And so now we want you to give us extra money for hours, like 14 million, because I mean, because why not? Like just I know. Yeah. You know, that's great. I mean, they increased the number to 10, but it's passed a time you never did. But so, they don't know many times not to allow us. Okay. Do you know how many of the original but off the, I was actually think of the quarter of the Civil Wars? The, the, the, the, And I think this is the last one to be restored. Really. So I think that's another reason why it will be really well scoring wise. That's. The other big ones are Ditten, didn't, and uh, abandoned, abandoned, was done recently, but it was refaced in, in modern, you know, 1920, so we had to reface it again. Those are the two recent ones for the family. Didn't you say, uh, Hood County, Grandbury? Isn't that a? Yeah, that's a Dodson. Yeah. Not one was stored pretty early in the courthouse program early 2000s for that. So that's and then ours that's that's four of the six that are remaining. So there's two floating out there that I don't have them all written down. But there's one in particular. It's really important right now. Well, again, Alexis Nike. I mean, it's just that I'm just totally impressed. I mean, really, and I know y'all've done a lot of work behind the scenes to get to this point. And I appreciate that as well. But I'll give one more opportunity, anyone from the court? Party words. Sometimes it's only the back of the end, sometimes it's summer when this is. No, I think in the next 30, 45 days we'll have, is that a little too aggressive to say that we're... Oh towards submitting our first draft to the THC. One thing that's slowing me down a little bit is, I don't know if you remember the interview where I was here with a Walmart. He passed away in a go-ah accident with her chrissins. So he was doing the history. So I'm bringing in somebody that I've worked with, but honestly, that slowed down my draft a little bit. So I may be a little bit delayed in getting that TAC draft together, but that's where we're working towards next. So the next product I'll have for you is that first draft for the THC. But that draft will include these programming floor plans. That's why today was critical to that. And what I'd ask is if there is something that really stands out to you with the and I think it's more on the short term and the long-term diagrams to do our part to help in the process we've got to get that information to we've got to come to some agreements on what those changes might look like so that we don't we don't slow down you know this process. I think the goal for me is to get that draft to the T.H. even at the end of the month and that will include some of the history and section of the commissioner court the minutes have been great so we'll have that together. I'll have the full assessment for the interior. Then what we talked about today, the only assessment together. Then it'll start with the master plan, which is really just how you play and use the courthouse in the future. So it's really the short and long term. That makes it asked like over the same information, just 20 different ways. Okay, well, again, Alexis, thank you for your time and the efforts that you've put into this. If there's any feedback from the court, we'll have it with you within the next seven to 10 days so that we're not holding you up. And we look forward to the feedback from THC saying, hey, this is the best one we've ever seen. Just go with it. Okay. That concludes the business of the court for today. We'll stand adjourned. Thank you.