All right, I'm going to call the meeting to order at 705. Can we please do roll call? Board member Katie Fanton. Here. Board member Julian Sierra. Absent. Board member Larson. Here. Board Member Rubio. Board Member Guzman. Present. Board Member Vickil. Present. What was that? here. That is the point. Let's say that. I didn't actually There we go. And Board Member Smith is absent. And Board Member Montes. Here. And Board Member Montes will be sitting in place of Board Member Smith. Thank you for that. We're going to approve the agenda in a second, but I just wanted to make a comment to my colleagues here on the board. We are going to be receiving a report about the Eucalyd re-stabilization process. And I just want to remind us because we kind of have this happen each time we go through it. We don't have any action items. We just are receiving the report from the board just to say and I've asked before that the city council if they want us to do stuff they probably need to tell us what we can do because we at this point we are only able to hear the update. And I just wanted to mention that because it's always a thing. Thank you. Thank you, Board Chair, for that clarification. I had questions about understanding some of the terms. Will that be allowed? Yeah, we can totally talk about it. I wasn't trying to dismiss questions. I just was like, question. Yeah, yeah. Question. Of course. Yeah, for sure. OK, now back to approving the agenda at 707. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? And we approve the agenda for May 14, 25. I second that. Board Member Fanton. Yes. Board members, or Board Member Larson. Yes. Board Member Rubio. See. Board Member Guzman? Yes. Board Member Vickil? Yes. And Board Member Montess? Yes. Thank you. We will move to public comment. Are there any speakers either present? Forables, do they have present first? Yes, we have one Mr. Robert Fisk. Great. Thank you for coming tonight. Sir, you'll have two minutes. Good evening board members. I just thought I'd make a comment about some of the recent elections and the stability of the run stabilization program say 50 years from now. At least one member of the current board knows that in 2002 we had 5,500 units in the run stabilization program. And as you all know, we now have about 2,500. And if another developer comes into town and decide they want to tear down, rent stabilized rental property, and they do so, they're not obligated to keep the new units under the rent stabilization program that you have the generosity of Sandhill Property Company saying they would with the development, you could development this later on the thing. But what I wanted to point out is there's been several campaigns in the last six years. One was Measure L, which I believe was the gross receipt tax on rental properties. And that's a pile of money in addition to paying the rent stabilization fee, property owners, paying that. What is is it, 250 now or something like that, that that's been what has been financially making the program run, paying for the administrator, the lawyers, the hearing examiners and all of that. And what would happen if those, the remaining some 2500 units go away? How would you still have a hearing examiner? How would you be able to pay for it? Measure L, gross receipt tax, provides a pool of money that the City Council can use at their discretion. And one of them is to run the program when there's no more money coming in, say, from our registered units in the program. So I just wanted to point that out. There's some variation on J.J. sort of said, okay, City Council, you can use 50 percent of that money at your discretion. And the other you have to use for rental assistance and other things that were spelled out that weren't spelled out. Thank you, Mr. Fist. So I just wanted to give you a minute to ask a lot. In the future, as if units are withdrawn from the program, the city can always tap into that fun. So thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Fisk. Thank you. Is there any additional public comments? And I'd ask the public if we could limit the amount of talking during other folks presentations, we'd appreciate it. Thank you. Also, is the translation working tonight? Yes, it is. I have it going in so much. Thank you, staff and high for getting it to work. Is there any is there any other public comment in the audience? I'm not only to speak English. The Red In the The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The I I asked the owners of the Ministers Why not put a high-end And then I put a plastic each year And I I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I'm not going to be talking about this. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. I think that was the right way to do that. Sir, can I and Demacia do, please? the I don't know why there are a lot of innovations. In Plumpe, there is a small, small, full-time, plastic. And I told them that because they put a high-pitched fence, but they know it to the left, to the right. I said that responsibility of the condo. I told you, if I were a dreamer of apartments, I would not be interested if I was responsible for the city or not. I would worry about my equipment that is giving me Neve and put the fence I'm and I'm going to be a big big big big big big big big big big big big big big I'm going to surprise you if you accept that. I'm an Equilino. I hope you can explain here a representative of those apartments. I'm an Equilino for 28 years. I give you the middle term of the cement. But I will supervise you that you do as it should be the other way around. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Is there any additional public comment? Either in person or online? There are no public comments online. Through the chair. I love when people come and get involved with their local city government. Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming. That's who we need in our city. That's that's the passion that we have. I request that staff connect through a translator to the gentleman about his comment that that item is not within our jurisdiction. And I think that he may be referring to CalTran or who send Francisco Crito Creek authorities, and that's very convoluted and complicated. And so if staff could please provide a resource and a person to talk to about that and where that comment could then go. Thank you. Is there any other additional public comments? Sorry, I think you probably told me to but I wasn't paying attention. That's correct. There's no additional public comment online. Okay. Great. Thank you. Can I'd like to move to the consent calendar and ask if we would like to approve it or pull anything off the consent calendar. Through the chair. I would like to pull item 4.2. Okay. I think then we should probably talk about 4.2 and then we can come back and approve the consent and move on. So, Board Member Guzmán, do you have a specific question or would you like, yeah, go for it please. I do. can you give me a couple of seconds to like find it here. I'm sorry. I didn't have time to do the calculations, but just if staff would clarify. On page 10 and those three day notices, and then the percentages next to them, like 96, the percentage, yeah, of all in a month or, yeah, it was just a question like that. Through the chair, we're happy to explain. So we have the month totals of the notices that we received in process during that month. And so what we do for that percentage is we take the number of registered units and we do the percentage of notices against that number of registered units for what them park or for non what them park units. And then we take the total over the year for the three day notice annually of how many we received and do the percentage for those as well. Those are the percentages of the total like there's 2,200 or something like that. So for Woodland Park, Woodland Park had 1,749 registered units for the program year and so we use the program year units. So every year it might fluctuate a little bit depending on if there's a tenant who section eight. So they wouldn't count towards a registered unit for that year or not. And so that's where we use those percentages. percentages. Oh thank you for that. Absolutely. Yeah. Didn't know where the end number. Thank you. Are there comments on this report? Hearing none, I don't want to give another chance consent calendar? Okay, sorry. I wasn't sure if that was the Euclid improvement program was under that or not. That's what I was checking. I'm good. So no, I don't have any more questions on that. Thank you. Awesome. Could someone please make a motion so that we can approve the consent calendar? I move that we approve the consent calendar. I'm second. Board member Fanton. Yes. Board member Larson. Yes. Board member Rubio. Yes. Board member Guzman. Yes. Board member Vakil. I cannot I wasn't here for the minutes for the whole sessions. I can't sorry. Sorry. I mean, sorry, I'm going to abstain because I wasn't here either. I'm saying for the numbers, any numbers yet for wait. Sorry, should I should we do the vote again with that be helpful? We can choose to break them up and vote on each item and break it up that way so we can have a motion to approve the minutes for those that were there and a motion to approve the minutes for or the program and numbers as a separate item so we could do that. I'm going to can we make a motion first to approve the minutes so that folks can who weren't able to review Canem Stain can so make that motion please? I make a motion that we approve the minutes of April 9th 2025. Nice. Board Member Fanton? Yes. Board Member Larson. Yes. Board Member Rubio? Yes. Board Member Guzman? Stay. Board Member Vickill? I cannot vote on that and I abstaining is not appropriate. Thank you. And Board Member Montess. Yes. Okay. Motion carries. Can we get a motion to approve the rent stabilization program and numbers please? I move that we approve the rent stabilization program and numbers item 4.2. I second. Board Member Fenton. Yes. Board member Larson. Yes. Board member Rubio. Yes. Board member Fuzman. Yes. Board member Vickil. My abstained. Board member Montess. Yes. and motion carries. I just want to say I'm very grateful for the members of the public who have come tonight and ask that we limit conversations while the board meeting is happening. If we can, thank you. Can we move on to staff or oral reports, please? Yes. Good evening board members. So we have some staff updates and oral reports this evening on quite a few items that have come up in discussion previously. So currently the rent stabilization annual registration fee is under a part of the master fee study. And so the consultant matrix is doing a assessment of staff time and looking at ensuring there is a cost recovery for the program, making sure that our fee is where it should be, as the fee has not been raised or had a true study done since the 2010 rent stabilization fee was set at $234. And so they will be presenting the results and findings on June 17th at the City Council meeting. The other item is rent stabilization staff have been down to myself as a full-time employee and a part-time staff member that have been helping us. So responses have been delayed. Miss Moreno has been on a leave of absence. Well, and so for the public, it is highly recommended that appointments are scheduled at this time just to ensure we can schedule the time and have dedicated time to meet with them. And if they have any questions, our responses are just a little delayed right now as we are still trying to keep up with the same level of inquiries and averaging throughout the month. The other item is the rent registry staff are still working with Toulamy to get that ready and we are working towards a demonstration to Council of the rent registry and where it's at. So board members are welcome to join whether it's online or in person to see that presentation and we're anticipating that it'll take place in July. Then as a reminder, commissions and board appointments will be heard at the May 20th Council meeting. So if the public wanted to apply for a seat, there are the alternate and one seat on the rent stabilization board that are expiring this year. And so that is coming up. Also the annual general adjustment notices have been mailed out to landlords and to tenants notifying them of the 2.2% AGA for this year. And then those going to affect 7-1 so tenants could potentially receive their 30-day notice of increase starting June 1st for an effective date of July 1st because that's when the AGA goes into effect. I am planning to give a review of the AGA, how it's calculated and what is okay or not for different situations at the June meeting. So in anticipation of that July first effective date so that ten and seven landlords can be aware of and the board of what we'll take place when that goes into effect and then the board had requested that staff look into landlord accountability and compliance and staff are currently researching this so we can come back with what other jurisdictions are potentially doing to ensure compliance with their programs and how they hold landlords accountable for not following the rules and regulations for their programs. And if the board has any questions, we're happy to answer them. Through the chair, thank you for that update. I love that the rent registry is continuing because that is a tool for both landlords and tenants. It's really important that it get completed. Sometimes I've been on the sport for five years, then I was offered two years I'm back on again. I've been on it for about a year now. I've learned a lot in this city. I was baffled that not everyone that gets elected is City Council is supportive of it. I just thought this was a grand city. And so over the years, there's been fluctuations and things like that. So I really encourage the public, tenants, board members, and anybody really that lives in this city that has housing concerns because this is a really historic rent stabilization program. So on that note, would you keep us updated sometimes our busyness? I saw that people don't care or busyness, I think, prevents us. Can you send us an email when that is agentized to city council? I'm going to put it on my but I know these things change, right? These things change. And so that's all I'm going to say about that and I really really appreciate staff. I'm so sorry that you are understaffed. I've been there and done that. So thank you for letting us know about that. And I hope that there's some. Maybe some solution to that to get you some help. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments from other folks on the board. Thank you. Board Member Gooseman. I did have a question. Sorry. Through the chair. Thank you. And again, thank you on Natasha for that report as well. And I hope that Abby's doing. Okay. I did have a question since you stated that it was highly encouraged that if people had questions to make appointments, especially I just want to make it clear that for everybody listening at home and for people that are here that interpretation will be available if needed. For those appointments, just so that everybody is kind of aware, because I know that sometimes things happen, but I just want everybody to know that that is a possibility. Thank you. Through the chair. So yes, especially when there's appointments, we have an even more leeway time to ensure that there is also a staff member available for interpretation if needed. When there's walk-ins usually there's a staff member that we can pull to ask to help, but we always want to make sure that there's a dedicated person there. We have enough time allotted because sometimes what we think might be a 5-10 minute question can result into a 45 minute to an hour long meeting. So we really do want to a lot time and be able to focus specifically on the tenant when they come in or landlord even if they have questions as well. Awesome. Any other comments or input after the report from the staff? Okay. It looks like we can move on to special presentations of which there are none, correct? That is correct. Also, I just wanted to follow up. There was a public comment made about they're not being potentially rent stabilized units. With the Euclid project, however, the 160 units that will be, I want to clarify that the 601 rent stabilized, or the 160 units being demolished apart from the Woodland Park project, will still be under the rent stabilization program when the new building is built. Those are not going away. They will still be limited to the annual AGA's that will take place even though some of the units may come back at a new market rate. Those tenants in those 160 units will still be under the rent stabilization ordinance. Great. Thank you for that clarification. Are there, looks like we can move on to public hearings of which they're none correct? That's correct. Okay. Can we move on to informational reports because there is one one. Yes. Get my papers in order. So one of the biggest updates because we did do an update in January. I'm going to kind of summarize this lovely long staff report instead of reading it word-for-word. Staff received the... Sorry, Natasha just interrupt. It's this is on page 12 of the agenda. If folks wanna read the actual document. Alright, go ahead. Sure. So there's a couple of things that took place with the Revival Development Services, which was the third party consultant that the city hired to assist with the verification of the tenants from the Euclid project. We received their final data and so rent stabilization staff reviewed the data and compared it to our own. We were able to confirm any questions we had about the data that was given to us meeting with with the park and ensuring that each tenant was accounted for with what we had. And so the table that you'll see on page 14 talks about the improvement area decisions for those households that chose the option A, B or C, whether the abandonment of the unit took place or an eviction took place. And then also there is a breakdown of tenant relocations of the tenants that may have participated in the move prior to the relocation that had started and then also the tenants that moved out. number of evictions that took place for those units, how many of those units out of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right of the right longer be contacted for the interest. And then as of April, because the site is now fully vacant, San Hill has began fencing off the properties and have received demolition permits from the city building division. And San Hill began interior demolition in April and will begin full demolition in late May and then the grading and foundation plans have been submitted and its city staff are working through final project conditions of approval. And then staff are available for any questions what the board might have about the table with the data or the what has taken place throughout the timeline. Any questions or input from the board after that update? Yeah, through the chair. An option on option A, the analysis. What does the sentence that reads this option includes a moving benefit? Can you specify what that means or what is it at the bottom? Page 16, that's very top. Oh, yeah, okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll give the board a minute to review this. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, this has been, you know, obviously years in happening, right? Because these numbers actually capture very, very small percentage of the 160 units, what happened to the rest of the folks? So that's the tenant relocation section. So that's the tenants that may have moved prior to the, when the relocation benefits went into effect. So these were the early movers, these were the tenants that had done the, I believe it was called the OTRM, so it was the optional tenant relocation move. So it was earlier than when the one third went into play to where the 58 units that were still there that hadn't moved out yet, that we've been working with with the park over the last like year and a half to get them to make their options of A, B, or C. So these were the tenants that moved within with them park earlier than when the project was entitled. And so the other folks we don't know what happened to them. So what revival gave us was a list of what whether the tenant tenant moved out, prior to entitlement, whether a tenant moved to another unit. Some tenants took place or to part of the optional transfer and then they moved out of the property. So they had quite a bit of a breakdown, but this is kind of what happened with tenants. So tenants either requested to move. We had 32 tenants that have moved out from that total of 100 units. They have just moved out of the properties. We had 38 of those units were corporate units. And so there were no tenants technically in the units or that. a corporate unit is when a company rents out the units and so they might hold it for temporary employees or things like that. Sorry, can I just interrupt because I think maybe it's just because the total isn't there. So in the top the top table, the 58 units and then the tenant relocation there just isn't a total. a total, but if you add up 58 plus the tenant relocation, that's the 160. So they do know where they are I think and we don't know literally where they are But I think that's actually maybe the confusion So maybe next time we see this can we just have a total in that because they're separate right right? Does that help kind of sort of yeah? Remember real yes, yeah, I to. Yes. I have a question. Is okay. If you're I say in Spanish. Make sure you wait for the translator. So thank you. Tenemos a 58 kilo in us. Que se me. No. Es se mudaron bajo el proyecto. Pero antes del proyecto. of the inquilings were changed. Voluntarily. I would like to More, more, more, they will be able to return to this project. I know that the city was going to return 160 units, but I want to know how many inquiries in total will be able to be benefited with returning to these units. Thank you. Through the chair, so I can try and give that without having to go back and gather that data. So as of right now, option A is right of return. So there is at least 28 tenants there that will be returning back. Option B is right of return as well, but that is just a tenant who is currently living outside of the Woodland Park property at this time until the building is built. And then you have tenants, the 27 tenants who requested to move within the Woodland Park property. And then those are the ones that we know for sure have right of return right now. And I'd have to go back and look at my paperwork to whether or not that includes the eight tenants that would the park also reached out to. I may have left that out, but the other tenants who have moved out potentially have lost their right of return. They made the choice to give notice and move out of the property. And so even still, we won't know our final count until tenants along the way, until tenants actually take possession of the new property unit, because tenants can still choose at any point to move out of the property and opt out of right over to her. So just to make sure I understood what I think I heard you say was the 58, sorry, the 28 are moving back. The 24. So it's the 29. So from the improvement area, because it's option A and option B. Yep. And then at least the 27 from the tenant really requested move. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Does that make sense? Remember a little bit. I understand but I remember that before this 58 tenants, few tenants speak with us and they tell, well, few tenants tell me that good land, say, you need to move it soon because we have a short unit, a few units, we sure less units and maybe if you wait more time, you don't found the units. For that, I remember that before that these 58 units, a few too many people they moved before. So that probably would have been the 27 tenants that took place and part of the early move. Because that would have taken place prior to when the relocation of the last 58 tenants or 58 households took place over the past like year, year and a half. Any other comments or questions about the report? Yeah, thank you for that clarification. That's helpful, Natasha. So option A and B and C and 20 and 10 requested move. If you add up those numbers, those are the only people right now that we have on the books that will potentially not be displaced. So option C was the buyout. Oh, buyout. Okay. So it'll be option A, option B, and the 27, um, tenet requested move. And while I believe they are included here, um, the eight households may not be. And so there are the seven households that confirm that they wanted right of return. So I do have to go back and look at those numbers just to verify. And I can give an updated next meeting. Okay. So and also we're not really talking about 160 units, right? Because we have to pull out the 30 that were least by a corporate, right? So it's not 38. Okay. So it's not really 160. I mean, technically they were. It was a 160 units that were at the property, 38 of them being occupied by a corporate unit. So then we'll remove the 38 because those aren't, there's a corporation that was leasing and then those tenants, there's no benefit to give them, right? That's correct. So though, there's a proximity. So you're telling me that we now with a brand new building, it's basically market rate. And that part of the city. So we this city is going to go through that much. Wow, that's crazy. So yeah, so Silicon Valley people that are going to afford market rate brand new apartment will benefit from our rent stabilization program, which was actually contrary to the spirit of the voters. If you have read the red stabilization ordinance and what it was for, I find that intriguing because now they will be protected under our ordinance. I mean, I don't know. For a two brand new two bedroom unit problem. I don't know six. I don't know five thousand. But then they're they're limited on the percentage of the increase after the increase after that because they're engaged in a full of that. I mean, in a way that kind of applies to any rent stabilized unit within the city because landlords are able to bring those units up to market and while they're not brand new, if a tenant moves out. No, I understand. So it happens a long way. No, no, I know that because you know, as soon as a tenant moves out, it's happening throughout the city. Yeah. But this is interesting this I find this a little because most folks that live here even as renters, are not likely to afford those units. Okay, just in time for the pedestrian bridge, and there we, okay, thank you. So did you? Good, I, through the chair, I don't know if you have any question or comments on this, but let me say to follow up on this previous comment that the rent stabilization is rent stabilization. It is, it allows market rate to go up, to go up to market rate and that has always been the case. So these units are not any different and there are many units in the current portfolio where if they would go up to market rate the people that live there right now can also not live there anymore. So I don't think this is a big change in the current situation. It's just these units I knew. That's the only difference. And so that was just my little follow-up. I'm gonna move over here. Thank you, Chair. So what is it that we are interested in or concerned about or want to discuss? What do these numbers signify? Do we want to talk about in detail about the numbers or do we want? I'm wondering if the how were the corporate units rented? Were they rented at the expense of our residents? Were they given first option, second option, were they given the leftover units? In other words, how did our residents suffer because of the corporate units? Is my one first question? Is it possible to answer that? Through the chair staff can try and go back and see who the previous tenants were before the corporate units because as the board is aware we don't get a further update until someone moves out and because these tenants are all moving out, no one knew who is moving in and so that new update of new tenancy would not come to us yet. So staff can go through the archives and look at who were the tenants previous to this and what happened to those tenants or what was listed as their reason for vacating the units. Whether it was evictions, 3 day notices, what, whatever information we can find. I see that the attorney from Wollum Park is here. I'm happy to give her a moment to speak. Cory, correct? Yeah. Is that, can we just do two minutes please? Yeah. Thanks for that question. We perhaps a little bit. Thank you. I'm Cory Calfi from austere law representing withland park and thank you for digging into these data and thank you to Natasha for working through all of these numbers and putting together the summary. And you ask a good question. And the bigger picture answer to that question is that it took a very long time for the between when the pre-application was filed and when the project was approved. And because we knew that we needed to have units available to allow everybody to move into, we wanted to make sure everybody could stay in the neighborhood. Well, then parks stopped when someone moved out when they chose to move out. They gave their 30 days notice for whatever reason. Well, then park didn't not rent out those units afterwards rent out those units afterwards because they didn't, they wanted to make sure they had enough spaces for all the people who are still living in the neighborhood to move to a replacement unit and ultimately come back to a right of return. So because it took a long time, it turned out that in the intervening time there were some vacant, and this corporate housing company came and wanted to rent for a short period of time, housing for people who were going to be in the area for a relatively short period of time. And the calculation was that it would be better to make use of the vacant housing units that were available for a short period of time, then to not make use of them at all. And so that is, so nobody was pushed out in order for the corporate units to be rented, but the corporate units were rented to make use of housing that in this housing constrained time. That's why it happened. So in other words, Ms. Cal if we pretty much left overs were given to the corporate. What they solicited or our tenants were given enough notice and first opportunity to move in. So, Woodland Park had stopped listing the units in these blocks, in these 160 units. So when somebody told Woodland Park that they wanted to move out, maybe they got a new job in a different place. Maybe they wanted to move to a different city. Many reasons people move. Many people move every year, right? There's a lot of turnover. When somebody chose to move out, Woodland Park did not re-rent that unit. They didn't turn it, they didn't get it ready, they didn't list it on the internet to rent. Their leasing team didn't show it to anybody. As a result, there were, I think, I'm sorry, I don't have the numbers, 30-ish units that were empty. Nobody was living in them. Nobody had been pushed out of them, but they hadn't been re-rented. They weren't, it wasn't like the best units or the worst units. It was the chance units that people had chose, had moved on in their lives. They had gone somewhere else of their own choice and they happened to be vacant. And when, I would look, you know, corporate housing companies call and in this instance, if my memory serves, it was from an affordable housing project that was being rehabbed and they needed apartments to house the people while their apartments were being rehabilitated and they needed it for six months at a time, approximately. And so they came and they used these units that were otherwise empty for six months, and then they moved back into their affordable housing units elsewhere. And so it was making use of units that had been vacated, that couldn't be re-rented, because we needed to make sure we had enough relocation, you know, available apartments that nobody would be displaced by this project. Sorry, does that answer your question? I'm sorry, that was a long explanation. Thank you. Okay, you're very much. Yeah, it does. So in other words, none of the tenants suffered, as a result of that. Everyone who wanted to, who was real, who everyone who was displaced because of the new project had the opportunity to come back if they wanted to. That's correct. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. Through the chair, just to thank you, Ms. Calfey, for clarifying that. So this is just an observation. It seems to me that there's a local ordinance that applies. The developer, or in this case, Woodland Park and the Eucalympravement has this idea to present to the city and they have every right to do. But really when you look at this, it seems that our local rent stabilization ordinance was, there was a little bit of a loophole because of the available housing units, it is to the interest of the, you know, you can say those folks were not displaced because they chose out of their own volition to leave. However, our housing stock are rent stabilized units in the city that's passed by local ordinance. Because it's not about not displacing, I remember when Ms. Calvary said that. I do remember coming to meetings and making this point that if the developer had sent them incentive, that was another way to not, you know, they weren't approved to redo that building, right? And so as people started to leave, I do remember there was a lot of vandalism that was going on in that building. And the 38 units basically we lost them because the the property owner was like hoping, right? Hope and it's in their interest. So they didn't rent it. It wasn't listed, right? It did help those persons that needed temporary housing. So I get that and I do remember now that it was below market rate developers that people were, you know, while it's being refurbished or, you know, they had somewhere to go, which is great. But I think that this had a really negative effect on our rent stabilized units. And those folks, those 30-something folks weren't a part of this. Those 30-something units were just carved out, and then great opportunities for the work of the park to then, oh, yeah, if they need temporary, I'm hoping to get approved, so I'm going to do it temporary. So they were basically removed. And then now they get to go to market rate. So yeah, that, that, yeah, I think our ordinance needs to be a little stricter. That's just my opinion. But I know this board has no say so in that. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Just use the microphone so that it can be up to you. Yes. Thank you. Thanks, Ms. Guzman. So then the question is, is there any regulation that says we, a landlord has to advertise that a unit is vacant because if there isn't, there isn't to my knowledge. Right, Ms. Revin? That's correct. It's a landlord's target of whether a unit is on the market or not. So, of course, they have to also get a good return on their investment. So as long as nobody was, as long as everybody who was displaced was allowed to come back, to me, this looks okay. The corporate part. Ms. McKill, I respect your opinion. And we could respectfully disagree. Are there quite? and we could respectfully disagree. Oh, they're quite... No, I don't want this to become an argument, but in that case, you know, we should change regulations, otherwise we can't do anything. Yeah, I think where I was going to go is, actually, let me make sure no many other more feedback about this particular piece before we move on. Okay, because I want to get back to that. Let me make sure we're on the agenda. Hold on a second. Hold me. Things don't. Sorry, the mouse wasn't working. I guess we can, we've finished informational reports, we can move on to policy and action. It doesn't appear to be any correct. Through the chair, if you'd like to allow public comment, we can always allow public comment on the item. And I believe there may be people here that wish to speak on it. Thank you. Yeah. If there's public comment, we'd love to have you make it. Please come up to the microphone. Come on, yeah, come on up. Just would make sure that we're within the two minutes, please. I want to return to the group where I live in the train of the Manhattan apartment 15 and the apartment where I go to live. I think I'll I think I'll go back to the office. I think I'll go back to the office. Thank you very Can, um attention. Can someone repeat back what we just heard, please, so that I can make sure I got it? Excuse me. I can't understand the translators so well. So, good misguisement, please. I think the problem is that the speaker was speaking over the translation, so we just literally couldn't hear it. It wasn't so much I didn't. So does anybody can, sir, can you come, can you come back to the microphone please? I'm just going to help. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm going to give you a few words. Thank you. Thank you. I was born in the 20s, 33rd, in the 15th apartment. When I regret that there is a contract where we are grouped, we are all together. When that is done, I have been controlled. I the, in the key. You're the Pinto gratis because I'm Pinto. No, it's not. No, I'm in pop against the bathroom. You're you're a Pinto, Mr. Big, gratis. So, all of a sudden, the the material, no. I am not a big one. Thank you very much for your attention and for inviting me to rectify it. I don public comment on this item around the Euclid Improvement Project Relocation Plan. Yes, Mr. Robert Fisk. You have two minutes, sir. Good evening again. Let me think of my thoughts here. First of all, I want to praise the developer for entering into agreements with the city that have provided a better package than it has ever been happening in the past, including the RV relocation plan. So that said, I would say that option C, those who opted to take a buyout, there I think there were 28 households listed in the report. And if you do a little calculation, that if it was a household of one, they got $10,000 plus maybe three if they were disabled or whatever. But generally probably there were three adult members in the household. So the settlement probably is not in the report. It suggested that perhaps that information should be available. And that is how much did Sandhill property pay out to these 28 households? My guess is it's anywhere between a quarter of a million dollars and three quarters of a million dollars. Considerable chunk of money. And I think that wouldn't have happened if our city council hadn't tried to get the best deal they could with Sandhill because a lot of this back and forth between Sandhill property company representatives were with the housing committee at the City Council. So a lot of this happened there. So I'm happy that you guys are representing the best interests of the tenants at this property. My frustration when I joined the Planning Commission is that I thought I could be at the tenant voice on the Planning Commission and on developments. And I have failed in that because I'm only one vote. And I voted no for this property development at Euclid twice and it had nothing to do with the quality of the buildings or the surface and all of that, but it had to do with parking and transportation circulation. Two minutes. And I never felt and originally we met Mr. Fisk. I'm so sorry. We really want to hear but we committed to being equitable and so we're going to have to ask you to comment. Thank you. time I really felt it originally, we remember. Mr. Fisk, I'm so sorry, we really want to hear, but we were committed to being equitable, and so we're going to have to ask you to comment. Thank you. Thank you for your time, I really appreciate it. Is there any additional public comments or online or in person? No other in the council chambers and no other online. Great. Thank you. Thank you all for taking the time on this. Through the through the chair. Sorry. Somebody just popped up their hand. Marisa, you have two minutes. Ms. Ramos, you need to unmute yourself so that you can. Hola, buenas tardes. If I look at it, I'm going to be quick. I have two families who are trying to connect for one, but they have had difficulties. Which I asked for their public comment. The first is Maria Pinson. She chose the option to change Gudland Park a a a a a Pinson, the other person is interested in that she is in line. I couldn't connect myself just like the internet problems. She moved into January. The same until this date, she hasn't received her rent deposit nor the money from the change. She moved into her own medium. Another question I have from the 13 buildings that sold Goodland, the chair. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank question about the property sales, but those tenants can always reach out, whether it's my email, scheduling an appointment, meeting with staff by phone call to discuss that further. I'm happy to set up time with with them, park to discuss how that might affect the tenant, who was part of Euglet project if they transferred into one of those units unless miss. Calvvie's happy to answer that question now. Just as a point of order, is it possible for staff to put the phone number of the staff phone number in the chat since we've got folks that are asking questions online? Please and thank you. So I have a very quick answer to the question of what would happen to the if a family lives in one of the three apartment buildings that was recently sold. They continue to have their right of return. In essence, they will just continue to receive the notices regarding the new new buildings, it's basically, it's the same as option B, which is somebody who's moved off site and has the right of return. It's the same thing, they have remained housed, their rent increases will continue to be regulated by the rent stabilization ordinance, and when the new building is ready, they can move into the new building. Through the chair, I think it was in between the translation and me knowing the language and trying to listen to that and then the translator. Disclareification, I guess maybe Natasha can help me. helped me. So the question from the public was that a tenant that is part of the Euclid project moved optionally to another woodland property temporarily until the Euclid is built. And in the meantime, the building has been sold to someone else that is no longer woodland. Correct? Is that what that's how I okay. I just want to say for, that's an excellent question. And I think that our rent stabilization ordinance, everyone should know that when the building is sold, I mean we have a local ordinance. I know people freak out. I have had people call me. It's going to be sold and I think it's great that people are informed and they should contact the RUN STABLE SITION program manager for clarification. But everyone should know that this is an ordinance in our city, right? So if a landlord has every right to sell a building, could sell it off. The law still, our local jurisdiction still exists, and I understand that that could be really confusing because as I've lived there, I was the same way. I was completely like shocked and scared and all those things. And I did call the number. Right? I did call the number and I found out and I sort of how I became involved with the rent stabilization ordinance. But as people are listening to this, I think it's important for me as a resident and as a board member that we are all are empowered and and feel free to call and then even email board members. Of course, we'll send it to the program administrator, but that we that that's how you know this community has always been. So so thank you for that question. But yeah, thank you. Through the chair, just to add a little bit to that. So per the ordinance, new owners of properties are required to register the change of ownership with our office within 30 days of the sale of the property. And so if we find out from a tenant that, hey, this property got sold, we allow that new owner time to get their business license, notify the tenants, and we give them the opportunity to complete the process or reach out to our office if a tenant inquires. And the landlord does not meet that 30-day threshold. They are then noncompliant with the ordinance. Tenants can file petitions against the new owner for failure to comply with the ordinance. There is a process for those situations. If the tenant has a contact, we are happy to reach out to that owner because we want to make sure that they are fully aware that they are purchasing or under a rent stabilization ordinance and that they need to comply that tenants have rights under it. And so I just have received the communication from the new owner. We've been in contact with them. We are going to be scheduling up an appointment to go over the ordinance, have them fully aware of what their requirements are and give them all the resources so that we make sure that it is they're fully informed, fully aware, and that there is no disruption and that they are compliant with the ordinance moving forward. That's great. Thank you. Any other comments on this subject? Are you sure Natasha? It's like... Miss... Miss Ramo says raise your hand again so I don't know if she has a follow-up question or if it's still on the same item but it's through the chair if I can put them on or we can refer them back to the... Oh took down her hand I was gonna say she can always reach out to the rent stabilization office which I've put in the Shared email that I share with Miss Marano when she's available or with our part-time staff that we have right now and also my direct Number as well So that we can answer any other questions that tenants or landlords may have. Great, thank you, I saw that. Okay, can we, there's no policy in action. So we're gonna move on to board member announcements and reports, does anyone on the board have an announcement or report? Through the chair. Yeah, I just wanted to publicly say I would love love love for the House Inhabitability Committee to meet. If we can't I've been trying to meet I sent an email. Didn't get a response didn't get much interest and so I would love to meet in the next two months and I would suggest if we're not going to meet then we disband and not say we have them because I do want to meet. I mean we might as well say that it's you know it's suspended or something because I do want to meet and do things and figure out if we can do things and do education. So that's all. Through the chair, staff is also happy to reach out on behalf of board member Guzman to the other members. Or if board member Guzman wants to have a meeting with staff, and we can start that conversation of items, I'm happy to do so. Great. Thank you. Any other board member announcements or boards? Hearing none Recommendations for future actions and agendized items. I'd like to start this one because it relates to a couple of comments you all have made I I think that I would agree that I would not say our current city council is aligned on the implementation of this ordinance. I don't think And I think it's worth I think we had talked about this towards the end of last year, prior to the election, that maybe getting some conversation with the city council directly about their expectations of us and our application of the ordinance. I would still really like to do that if you all wanted to do that. Because I think we have, I don't know that we've processed in a working way, kind of the implementation of this ordinance and gotten alignment from our city council on it. So I don't know if that's possible to agenda is, I don't know how to do that. I don't know if you wanna do that, but I think it'd be cool. Thoughts from my colleague, you guys are nodding, so I feel like this idea Here at the chair, I can set up a meeting with the different boards or the different commissions side commissions that we have here. The subcommittees, thank you. And see, because obviously we can't have a quorum in an individual meeting outside of a plan meeting. So I can set that up with a few board members at a time to discuss. The other thing is I know that there was discussion of a possible study session or we can talk to see if we can get one council member to join at least to see what their thoughts are. Or, you know, I can try and get additional guidance and then schedule a time to meet with different board members or send out a communication of some items. Because I know there's stuff that we're working on and I know that like the Rules and Regs Committee can potentially assist with working on or things like that. So looking staff are looking into compliance and holding landlords accountable. That is something that the Rules and Regulations Committee can also look into aside from staff and bring back those items that they find. Great, through the chair. So rules and regs, I'm on it and you are. And so we used to meet and a couple of issues came up today that we could discuss. And so if you can help us to set up a time for all of us to for the men rules and red, regs people to meet. How about the staff will send out an email to each of the different subcommittees, scheduled time with staff, and then we can start from there, and then we can talk about next steps for each committee, and whether or not we pull in other city staff to discuss what can be done. Yes, thank you. Great. That works. Any other future actions or agenda items from anyone? I don't know if this is going to require an agenda item. Maybe staff. I mean, I hate to put something else, but just I'm curious. So there's a lot of work being done in this city. And one of the things that happens, I think, because of being tenants, maybe the landlords notified of these things because we're not, you know, we're not at home, it's different. So something that would streamline that because like our landlord has a lot of email addresses, probably of most of their tenants, to forward some of that information as needed basis. It just is a quality of life and it made me think to, right? Sometimes renters are sort of an afterthought in this city. It seemed to me because this was a private, you know, if this was happening to block away in the city of Palo Alto, folks would have been notified. I woke up to like my street being torn up and not being able to get out. And my elderly mother having to like walk a block and things and and it's minor in a way, right? I know there's other things but I just thought of equity and consideration. There has to be a way that is renters. We get that information or we get but something, especially that would affect so many of us and parking is so limited, right? This week has been challenging. So that's, and I don't, and it might be just you, you know, having a conversation with a landlord, you know, some way that you maybe have a list of landlords, then I don't know, is this something that happens? Because I, yeah. Through the chair, so from my experience when I was a property manager, we would do email blasts to tenants of things that were happening in the community, so that the tenants remained informed if things were being repaved, if we were restriping or anything along those lines that may have affected tenants. So if that responsibility as far as things happening on the property would be the responsibility of the landlord or owner to notify the tenants because they should be if it's affecting water usage or anything like that should be notifying the tenants hopefully at least 24 hours in advance but more time the better because then tenants can plan. But as far as I know that there is a city-wide notice that goes out from the city clerk but that applies to things that are like going on in the city. So it's like the city newsletter. So if tenants are curious about things that are happening in the city, like with public works or the parks, those would be something that they could sign up for and get that newsletter. But as far as things that happen on individual properties, that would really be the responsibility of the landlord because that would be if the rent stabilization staff took that on their potential of miscommunication or things changing then that's potentially 2,500 emails that we would have to then become responsible for. And so that's not really our staff's place to be that mouthpiece. We are looking at doing like a quarterly newsletter just for, you know, your rights, updates, in regards to the ordinance and information rules that was recommended by one of the council members. And so we're looking at what we can do there. But as far as each individual property that should be the landlord that is sitting out that communication and they really should have that communication with their tenants to avoid any parking issues or water usage issues or anything like that. Through the chair. I would like to agendaize or at least, okay, pass it more than action item. So there is a concern, of course, that about staffing. And so I would like, I imagine the city is working to solve this issue, but it would be nice if you, if staff could report back next time what the short-term and long-term plans are to, because all the ordinance needs to be, it's a really important part of the actual implementation of the ordinance to actually have a fully operational staff. So that would be nice if we could agenda this for the next time. What the city's plan is to solve this problem. Thank you. So through the chair, I can kind of lean into this right now. So last, last night at City Council's first budget meeting, housing staff and rent stabilization staff proposed adding a limited-erm housing specialist that would be split between housing and rent stabilization. We are also conducting the fee study to look at, the cost potentially would be of the fee if we tried to add a staff member. Is it realistic in the fee or what other types of things that we would have to do? So that's the full study that's happening that we should get a report back on, I believe it's June 17th, I believe I said earlier, from Matrix. So that'll give us more oversight of the program fee that funds our program to allow for additional staffing and things like that. To the chair, I used to follow up. So I think what I was, there she needs to be two full-time people working like the fee issue is a long-term issue right it won't happen any any times I mean it will take a while for that to I can't imagine that City Council just decide in June about that if they can. So I just wanted us to actually get what the plan is to actually get you fully staffed right now, not in the future. Right now you have been staffed using the current funding mechanism, right? So what is the plan to, I don't know, it's an HR issue, right? So I can't go into that, I guess, but you can't go into that. But just to ensure that if it's a short term or long term staffing issue that it is actually sorted, so we don't get two, three months of of just one full time person doing a two person job. Thank you, Yeah, that appreciates that. Yes, so the master, basically the study that's being done by Matrix is part of the master fee schedule. So this incorporates like planning fees, all the other departments fees. And now because rent stabilization hasn't had a fee study done, they're incorporating staff time and all of those items into it as well. So the council is planning to adopt those fees based on what their study is in June, or at the time that the budget is also set so that we're set to go for the next fiscal year. And so staff will report back after we look at that fee, bring it to the board, obviously, in October when we also talk about the next annual registration. But yes, we can definitely discuss the findings of the staff time that is calculated versus what the findings are of what staff reported like items take versus how many staff we actually have for the program. Thank you. Through the chair. I want to go back if you don't mind to announcements and just say that Ms. Raven, thank you for doing all this work and working short staffed and to our chair. Fountain for doing such a great job running the meetings. Thank you. Any other recommendations for actions or energized items? Are we good on that? Okay. Anything else? Natasha that we forgot? None that I'm aware of at this time. Okay, awesome. I'm going to adjourn us then at 8.29. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for members of the public coming. Thank you, Horde.