This meeting is being recorded. Good morning everybody. We are here on the application B-A-24-007-V, a request for a variance for a screen porch, a variance from the rear setback of the subject property. It is approximately 10 o'clock on the 30th day of September. And I welcome everybody here today. So we have several people with us today. We have Mr. Patel. Say Garmatel, is that correct? Patel? Dogger. Saiger Patel. All right. And then, ma''am your name is? My name is Siddhra Simab. Could you help me spell that please? I-D-R-A-S-E-E-M-A-B. S. I-D-R-A-Cidra. I got that part. C-M-B. C-M-B. S-E-E-M-A-B. All right, great and ma'am your name. My name is Rabia Muhammad. OK, I'm going to need some help with that one too, please. Just spelling it. I'm sorry. Could you spell it, help us? Sure. My name is R-A-B-I-A-H, and my last name is Muhammad, M-O-H-A-M-E-D. OK, super. All right. Who would like to testify first? Me. You would like to testify first? All right, well, I'll tell you what. I am going to do it in a different order because I have some administrative questions that I think Mr. Patel is going to need to answer for me. So Mr. Patel, would you mind answering some administrative questions first? Sure. Okay, great. So I need to swear you in, please, if you raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear and affirm under the penalties of perjury in the matter now pending that you shall tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes. Okay please state your name and address for the record. Saga Patel, 1, 2, 4, 3, 0, Hillcrest, Bolton, Maryland, 207, 5, 9. All, before we go any further, I have some questions for you. And that is what is your relationship to the property you are currently living in? I'm with the engineering firm, so we're doing the plans for the owner at Home Stretch. 9200 Home Stretch. You are a what? I'm an engineer that's working on the... Me and the man, okay. And you just happen to be living at the property? I know, I do not live at home stretch. Oh, I'm sorry. You listed crest blonde, correct? Or Hillcrest is my address. Hillcrest, okay, and the home property is home stretch. OK. Yeah. All right. So on the application, you list a trading as Arnco LLC. Is that correct? Correct. OK. Do you have a certificate of good standing Is that correct? Correct. Yes. Okay. Do you have a certificate of good standing for Arnco LLC? I don't know where we have the moment, but Arnco's are engineering firm. Okay. I looked up Arnco LLC and the charter was forfeited on 10 to 23. So Arnco LLC no longer is a viable LLC. Okay, it's only I can look into. I'll have our principal engineer look at it. Okay. And then... The home stretch, the subject property, is owned by whom? I believe his name is Tari once I am looking up. Yeah, Tari, somebody, he's owner and he lives there currently. T, could you spell that place T? Yeah, T-A-R-I-Q. Last name is somebody, S-A-M-D-A-N-I. I All right who signed the petition That would be me Russian So legible as why ask Yeah, I'm not I think no sorry to reach somebody. Signed it. Okay. So you are an engineer certified in the state of Maryland. No, not me. Our principal is football Patel and he's the one that signed the drawings. Are you employed by architectural engineering consultants? Yeah. But you're not an engineer. No, not licensed yet. But the certification see at the bottom right for license number 23081, that's peripheral but telling user principle. Okay. Entity license P. So do you have anything authorizing you to testify on behalf of Mr. Prayful Patel? Not really, I mean, if you would like to see him on the call, I can get him in. Would you like me to pull them into the call? That would be great. That would solve a variety of problems. Thank you. Just a couple of locations really quick. Yep, no worries. On video would be good. Hello. Mr. Patel? Hi, I'm fine. How are you? I'm good. Thank you, sir. As I've just explained to Sagar Patel. Yes. Am I doing well? He's my employee. He worked with me, actually. You know how to hold. Okay. But you prepared. You've signed. He's not an engineer. And you've signed the site plans, correct? That's correct. You know how to hold. Okay. But you prepared, you've signed, he's not an engineer and you've signed the site plans, correct? That's correct, yeah. Okay. I'm going to swear you in because I'm going to need you to testify because you are the engineer. So I'm going to swear you in, if you raise your right hand, please, sir. Do you sell me swear or affirm under the penalties of perjury in the matter-not-pending that you shall tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? It's a little high-bilted. Thank you. Would you please give us your business address? 1243-0. He'll crest full-ton Maryland. Who was seven-finer? Okay. And what is your relationship to the property owner, Mr. Sam Deening? Oh, he is my client. He's your client. Okay. So let's start at the beginning and tell me how this came about. Okay, I think we had original, we had a permit actually, you know, for the year, on the deck, and then closed, like a screening, closed, you know, and we got to permit, you know, I don't know what happened, I don't know after that, you know, and county come back and say, oh, you know, it's encroaching the setback requirements, you know. So we apply for this variance now, you know, as the county required, you know, because my client wanted to build, you know, it's like a small deck, it's not like a big deck, but you know, although like a lot so there is very small lots, you know, so that's a reason actually the county said that it's encroaching into the the real set of active parliament you know by the way I mean this this lot is a corner lots I think you know and that require like a little more than but like a regular normal like a regular house in the lots you know that's a thing. All right. As I've explained to Mr. Segar Patel, the site plan itself is for a client named Arenco LLC. Arenco LLC is not an LLC in good standing in the state of Maryland. They lost their certification last year. So the first issue is going to be that the cyclans would have to be amended with the correct name of the property owner. And then, all right, let's go on to the requirements for variance. So you need to testify as to the legal requirements for the variance requested. I see from your site plan that you are asking for a, you want to construct the rear porch out up into 14 feet from the rear setback. Is that correct? So you're asking for a variance of 16 feet? Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. That's correct. All right, so let me walk you through the findings that I'm required to make and you have to testify First of all, you're a licensed engineer in the state of Maryland. On 2038, why is it the real license? Okay, in the state of Maryland. Better than me. Okay, and you're testifying here in your professional capacity as an engineer certified in the state of Maryland. Yes, I do. Okay. All right, so the first finding that I have to make and you have to provide testimony on is that there are unique physical conditions, including irregularity, narrowness or shalowness of the lot or shape, exceptional topography or other existing features peculiar to the particular lot. And as a result of such unique physical condition, practical difficulties or unnecessary hardships arise in complying strictly with the bulk provisions of these regulations. Now, this criteria is based solely on the physical characteristics of the property. So why is this property different than its neighboring properties? I think it's, first of all, it's a corner lot, because it has the miscubiting role on the left side. Right side, right side. And then the street on the left side. All right, sir. That's it. And then the street on the front, you know, the hot, hot, you know. And I think the real set, I'm not sure how much everybody has, but you know, after putting a deck also, we in close rounds, you know, we still have 14 feet, you know. And I think the requirement, I think, you know, the quality required, I think the requirement I think you know the quantity of product I think is it all right. I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. So do the other properties not have a 30 foot rear setback. Other rear prop the existing houses are already at 30 feet from the rear property line. So there's no functional way to make the rear side improvement on any of the houses. OK. That's not really helping. Yeah, okay. So all of the properties have a 30-foot rear yard setback. Is there anything unique about their criteria because you have a corner lot and therefore you have two front yards under the statute? Yes, there is two. On the right side also is the street, you know, and it requires more, you know, and then on the front that, you know, it's a pretty fit. So under the statute, a corner lot has two front yards. You are building in the rear yard. Having two front yards does that impact I mean, it does because I mean, if you take a look at the whole house, it's actually no, because of the more setback report on the right side, you know, the house is expanded as much as, you know, going back to the back to front to the back. There is no room right now actually in the setback requirement to put a deck. And he don't want to put a deck on the street side. So there is the thing that the lot, they're stiffing him expanding on the back because of the the side set deck. And even nothing on the back because of the side-side deck. And even on the left side also, he has a like another street going through the back because there are a few houses on the back. So basically he has compressed on the left and right. So he has, I mean the original house is extended all the way through the like whatever you know. If he had like a more set up on the left and right, you know, other list set up on the left and right, then he would have like enough room probably expand the house in the horizontal rather than front to back, you know, and that give him probably enough room to put a leg of a deck or anything. But that's the result of the placement of the house, not due to the fact. Yeah, but the placement of the house is based on the left and right setback, and the rear setback. But because of the more setback on the left and right, he has to stretch the house towards front of the more setback on the left and right, he has to stretch the house towards front of the bank. And there is the maximized history of the capacity right now. If he has a list setback on the left and right, then he would have expanded the house probably left to right. Then maybe you would have a little room on the bank. OK. Is this property flat? Is the topography flat? It's flat, yeah. Except on the right side where the viscibotum, I think there's a little ball actually on the side, I think the county has made probably. I'm only a long viscibotum road. Yes. Is that probably just a drainage whale or is that a natural? No, it's just like a little bomb actually, you know, getting the privacy of your property. But all his and his property. Okay, are your neighboring properties, are they flat into theraphy or do they have? Yeah, they're flat. And the petat means they're pretty misplied in a both-mover and gizp property. All right. The second criteria is that the variance if granted will not alter the essential character of the neighborhood or district in which the lot is located. It will not substantially impair the appropriate user development of the adjacent property and it will not be detrimental to the public welfare. Yeah, I mean, it's not because the oral look up the heart, ocean of front, back, here, it's not not gonna change anything, you know? All he's adding like, you know, the deck in the screen post, you know? That's what. It's just like a regular, you know? It's not like in clothes or like a wall, or anything, you know? It just, it's good pension, I do. It's always good. Yeah, I think he already had like a fence on the side, you know, on the back and the right, you know, so I mean, I'm not going to show up much actually, but the outside. So there is an existing fence, six foot fence along the rear property line. Yeah, there's a six foot fence on the rear right and left sides of the property and the screen porch from the ground to the EADs will be 13 feet. So you'll only see the upper seven feet of the screen porch if you're like look above the fence line. And then there's already trees along Whiskey Bottom Road. So much of the enclosure wouldn't be seen from whiskey bottom road either. All right. Tell me how the proposed expansion will not substantially impair the appropriate use or development of the Jason property. I don't think there be any impairment from the neighboring properties. Again, we have a fence that covers the bottom half of the structure. And then development, the other neighbors still have enough room because the house that is rear of 9200 home stretch is oriented in a different way where the rear of that house faces whiskey bottom road. So if that house were to future developments, they would still have additional room on the rear side of their house, as well as in a one-part time, where it would face towards 9200. And then in design, I would practice the addition that 9220 homes stretched it in terms of looks. They did a white screen porch on the rear side with their pool deck. So in terms of aesthetics, it matches what the neighbors have. And which is that? 92 20 home stretch. All right. So, uh, to the left. As you're facing the subject property, the lot to the left. You have to make it was 16.minute no 92 20 it should be five. Yeah, we're facing the subject property is the house to the left. All right, tell me how this proposed use will not be detrimental to the public welfare. I don't think there be an effect to it because it's within the property owner's limits, I think. And the use of the property is not changing. It's still single family, single family. It's a private dwelling to which the public is not invited. Uh-huh. Yes, no. Yeah, that's right. Okay. All right. The third criteria that I have to find is that the practical difficulty in building a porch of this size has not been created by the owner. And basically what they're asking for is tell me why you need a porch of this size. If you built a smaller porch, you wouldn't have such a great incursion into the rear area. So no, no, I understand that too. But there's no way to build a smaller porch because the way the lot lines are and the house was oriented for the house was developed. The rear of the house is already at the 30-foot yard, rear yard setback and same thing on the left side of the house because it's a corner lot. The house has to be built for the left on the property so there's no way to do to do the screen porch on the left side of the house either. So the question is, you can build a smaller porch, but it which won't hurt so much into the rear yard. No, you could, but tell me why you need a porch of this size. To build any porch on this property, you'd have to go through a variance process. I mean, although I think that you know, in the house itself, he has like a small kitchen, you know, next to that, you know, there's like a small living room, you know, his plan that you know, like you know, summertime and springtime, you know, he still can use as a, like, a, like, a family room on the back of the house, you know, and that is the reason I think he's building because the family room and sitting right now, it's little longer, but it's very narrow, you know. Now believe I think this because of the setback requirement, you know, they cannot go beyond the 30 feet, I think that is the reason probably, you know, behind the garal like a front feet or 10 feet or something, you know, that is like a tiny, you know, room there, you know, a very room. And he think I mean that you know, putting the garal here, a couple of small kids, you know, so it could idea to have a like, you know, a room on the back so that you know, you know, in the summertime kind of things, you know. So if I understand you correctly, what your testimony is, is that you need a port of this size to adequately accommodate the type of family anticipated in living and adwelling of this size. I would say yes. All right. The last criteria is, actually, you just testified to that. Within the intent and purpose of these regulations, the variance of granted is a minimum necessary to afford relief. And you just answered that question. All right. So is your pre-fold Patel? Is there anything further you wish to testify to with regard to this petition? I mean, all I can say is that I may be a requesting unit to grant these variants. So, at least he can build because he's trying to almost like this. He is originally lucky that he didn't build it because originally was a permit and he would have built it. But luckily he was busy and somewhat on the basement of the staff. So he didn't build it. Then Vikat was like the email from the county that he had required to get the set back. It was misch approve or whatever, you know. And he was very upset, but I think we told him that, you know, it's a county, you don't say the English, and we have to follow, you know, and that's what we do, you know. And he agreed with that. And I think he made a lot of, like, to the county, you know, and make sure that, you know, this is what they want it, you know, and he agreed that this file application for the variance, you know So I would request that you know, please ground us, you know variance At least you know, he can build up a debt and that would be mr. Sam Danny The property owner you're discussing the property Yes, yes All right, mr. Segar Patel. Segar Patel. Excuse me. Do you have anything further? You us today we also have misidra-samab. Thank you very much. All right, ma'am, I need to swear you in, please. Do you sell me swear under the penalties of perjury that the testimony you should give in the matter now pending, should be the treat, the whole treat, the nothing but the truth? I do. Yes. Thank you. Could you please state your address for me? 9200 homestretch code, Laura Melend, 20723. OK. All right. OK. Now, what is your relationship to the property? I own this property. Tarik Sondani is my husband. Mr. Sardani is your husband? Yes. I apologize for my mispronunciation. It's fine. I know it's terrible. All right. So this is your moment. Tell me anything you want about this application. Actually, honestly, we buy a house in Jessup and we had a big deck over there. Me and my kids love to have that big place, to spend the family time, do barbecue, and have fun. But over here in Laurel, we did not have that big deck and approach. So it was our first priority to have a big deck, like Mr. Prof. explain that the family room is not that big, it's tiny. So I want me and my kids want to have some big place, we can have fun in summer, we can celebrate their birthdays and have good time with the family. So that's why we want to have big space to enjoy. OK. And the size as being proposed, it's what you need to accommodate your family's needs. Yes, please. All right. What else would you like to tell me about the application? It's been a long size we are requiring for. That's it. Okay, anything further? No. All right. So, Kel, Ken, is Muhammad just testified from her seat there? Okay. You can hold her. It's okay. You're right. She's just writing for a minute. So, do you suddenly swear or affirm under the penalty? Is the perjury in the matter now pending? You should tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes. Thank you. Please take your address. I leave at 99, 900 Washington, Boulevard, apartment 517, Laurel 20723. All right. Thank you. What is your relationship to the application here this morning? She's my best friend. OK, so what would you like to talk about to them? So in their previous apartment, in their previous house, they added that deck. So when they moved here, they were like hoping that they could have the deck, because we do have gets together, the kids comes over over and we have play dates and everything. So the living room is really congested when we have about five, six kids and about. But the deck is like a dream deck for her. And she has did, she beautified her previous deck very nicely with lights, curtains and everything. So this is like something that is not accomplished, that she really wants, you see. And she's been, it's been a pending thing, ongoing thing, this and that and everything. And the best part about both husband and wife is, they built this house. They did not hire contractors, like some people, they just get contractors and build out. They built this house from scratch, both husband and wife. They worked nine to five and they come back. They built one by one, each corner of the house. They both husband and wife did it. So I think it feels like it's a very significant house because they can say that, hey, I built this house by myself. I did not get an external party to build. And I think they deserve to get the deck. As much as they want and it's their dream house. Like you work hard, you get that much money, you work, but then you build it yourself. And it's like, I don't know, I feel so, I really, really hope that you do get the deck because they deserve it. And they are not disturbing anyone else or whatsoever. It's within the line, like what the guy said, is within the parameters and it's get the whole apartment, it's get the whole house is get it. So you don't, nobody from the outside can see inside and whatever they do and it's the best, it's very privacy and it's very nice. And it's beautifully done, very beautifully done house. She did one by one, every corner of the house has a, what do I say has a the house has a memory. It has a stamp on it. V has been a wife did that. Yeah. So you think the proposed porch will fit in with the character of the neighborhood? Definitely. Definitely. It is not going to disturb the outside or the public. It's within the circumference because they have that six foot gate. So it's within that vicinity. They are not disturbing nobody. It's not going to interrupt with the public. It's not going to disturb, it's not going to be a nuisance even to the neighbors. So they are within that circumference and the parameters they are in. All right. Is there anything further you'd like to say? I know, I really hope humbly request that you know, that you approve them to get it, that's it, that's their dream. All right, thank you so much, ma'am. Thank you for coming, thank you for just participating. So anybody, does anybody have anything further they wish to say about this application? No. No. All right, that being said, the hearing in this matter will deem to have been concluded and a decision and order will be with coming shortly. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, you can go now. Yes. No, you did a good job.