I'm going to go ahead and call the order. This workshop of the South Mimic City Commission. My self and commissioner Rodriguez are here. I believe commissioner Coyote is on the way. Mr. Manager, how should we start? Mr. Mayor, we have plus everybody and members of the team, a place-making team that are here and it'll be kicked off by one way at it. So when you're at the floor is yours, when you're ready. This is exciting. This is the fastest time for our rotation. Can we play the slides? Please. So as this is being loaded, thank you for having us. This is a long time coming. We've been working on this for over a year. As you know, we have, we were tasked to look at the place making branding and urban design of your downtown hometown district. There's a variety of names that people use. And we were tasked to begin to look at this holistically and eventually look at how the downtown and your streets would evolve into. Do I have, oh I can, yes. So what you've seen throughout the time that we've been working with you are a number of ideas. We've gone through a process, I'll show you exactly where we've been so that you understand how we've arrived here and then I'll pass it on to our designers who will give you more detail. But needless to say, everything that we're going to show you today, there is background for and there is a goal for, again, a holistic approach for your entire downtown. And the intent is to bring back energy and reinvestment into your downtown. So our presentation is going to look at sunset drive design and its process. We'll keep that short. The project timeline, again, it's been a year, and we've gone through a number of iterations. Then the actual design for East and West. And hopefully, from now on, we'll just call it sunset. There's not going to be an East and West because we're going to look at a holistic design, a design that moves from Red Road all the way to 62nd. And then we will open it up to discussion and hopefully give or get your direction to move forward into further design, refinement and construction documents. So the design process is born from a stakeholder, stakeholder input. We've met with with with you commissioners mayor with the manager many many times And we could probably meet for many many more times because I know how passionate everybody is about this Just as much as we are after one year. This is this is something that we feel very strongly about We had a lot of input both in person and online. You'll see some graphs there There's also a website where you can see the history of the project. And so we are happy to be now at a point where we can move or cross or go over a key moment in the project where we can tie down the concept and then move into a more robust, more technical part of the project that will lead us into construction documents and then eventually build out of the project. And so with that, I don't want to take much more of your time. I know that you're all itching to see. The actual work product and not listen to me, so I'll call up Jenny from Curtis and Rogers, our landscape. We always love hearing from you Juan. Thank you. We just stay in touch some more. Thank you very much. I figure out how to use this. Hi, I'm Jenny Rogers from Curtis and Rogers. So we're going to take a look first at the East side. Like Juan said, hopefully we'll at them together at some point, but it's still easier to look at them as different entities. What we had looked at for this one, we had different opinions on the removal of parking. That was one of the issues that came up a lot. So the public had voted for the no parking option. That was what we got the most results on. Was to just have only ballet and drop off zones. But we got a lot of pushback from the business owners. Did not want to do that. So we have a compromise now. We've got rid of some of the parking, kept some of the parking. And we have areas that could be turned into ballet or drop off zones in the future if that's desired. So they can be parking spaces now. they could be turned into valet or drop-off zones in the future if that's desired. So they can be parking spaces now, they could be turned into valet at a later time. We are also looking at 57th and 58th courts. We had originally talked about turning them both into one way. Since then we've sort of determined that 57th court could probably stay two way and 58th court we're still going to look into whether or not it would be feasible to do it one way or not. And this has to do with improving the circulation as well as widening sidewalks and getting a better walkability to other areas within the district. So this was originally what we had seen before. So most of you have seen this. Our original drawings that the orange is showing you what has been added in terms of sidewalk to these areas. The key points, I'm going to go to the next one and talk about the key points. So here's our more refined rendering of the east side. The red boxes are highlighting the areas where there are sort of more significant differences. Generally speaking, along the corridor, as we said, reduced some parking spaces to allow the sidewalks to be wider for us to get trees that can be further from the building so that they can get bigger. We have at 68th Avenue, we're proposing a raised intersection with papers. So this sort of just raises up to the same elevation as the sidewalk and we'd have bothered sort of at the corners. And it would be favored with half-papers so that it kind of marks it as a more special point, right? We see this sort of as a center of this side of sunset. We're proposing to get rid of the left turn onto 57th court and add a new medium there. That's what you see on the right. And then the courts are also highlighted there, which is what I was talking about a minute ago. So this is what we have art before, and this is sort of our little after. And I'm gonna show you some details. They're rendering, so our design, the sort of the design of the sidewalks, revolves around sort of what's called clear path, was sort of the design choice that went we went with. So it sort of has these intersecting diagonal lines and it has this one stripe that kind of goes up through the sidewalk all along the corridor. The stripe, the idea for the stripe is to for it to be a concrete with an embedded glass aggregate in it. What you see here is blue. It could be blue. It could be blue and green. If we wanted to go a little south Miami-ish with the colors. So we have a little choice in that case. But you can see here that we have more space for the trees and more space for people to walk. This is 68th Avenue, so this is looking at that raised intersection. So you can get kind of an idea of what that might look like. So we have the collards of the corn and the rain. And Jenny, just to be clear, is this the actual combination of proposed materials that we're looking at? Yes. Okay. Yep. This is what we've looked talked about that the materials and there's another slide that talks about the materials a little more in a minute. Just basically the sidewalk design, like what we have now and versus what we're trying to achieve is to give you like a clear walking path. That's one of the the biggest complaints we've heard about the sidewalks along Sunset is that there are trees right in the middle of the sidewalk and it's very hard to to move around. So our design here has a walking zone and an amenity zone. So we're basically the amenity zone is where any trees, benches, trash cans, things like light poles, things like that would happen in the amenity zone, leaving the area of the walking zone clear for pedestrians. We're also proposing to use an underground system for the trees. This is just what you see in the little circle there. That's the use of silver cells and there's sort of these little underground crates that hold soil that gives you greater soil volume for the trees, which kind of helps you avoid what you see here in this picture of the tree with the roots going up like this and to the pavement and knocking the pavement up. The roots will stay down better. There's a little bit more about the materials. So we are looking at, for the majority of this sidewalk is concrete, simple grays, concrete like a standard gray concrete and then a darker gray bands crossing it. And then as I discussed, the aggregate band up through the center and you can see a picture of one there that was you know an actual one. And in the amenity zone we have great we have pavers so it's better to have pavers for the trees so in that area we'll have the pavers. It also gives you kind of a little bit more of a homey feel to those little areas where we will have seeding and things like that so they become sort of like little rooms that people can sit in. The furnishings, and we haven't nailed anything down here, but this is sort of the direction we've been going in. For the seating, a combination of concrete benches, like the one you see on the left, and chairs. So chairs that would be attached to be attached to they're not just you know pick them up and move them around chairs but they would be sort of arranged in little seating elements that happen along there. We're thinking of wood. We'd like to add a little we like the wood it adds a little bit more warmth back into the street. It gives a little bit of a taste of old world without being too old fashioned. And so we can look at it as trying to be still hometown feel, but be a little bit more modern. The same with the trash receptacles. And we're looking at the lighting and the ballards. Something again, a little bit more modern. With the wood, are you also looking into the durability of it? Yeah, the wood is very durable. What it does is it patinas, right? So it graze out, but it's very long lasting. It doesn't stay all like, you know, bright and shiny looking now. So, and again, these are conversations we can discuss this. If you guys don't like that idea, we can. So this is sort of the first time we've kind of talked about furnishings and stuff like that. So. And this is something that we want to keep cohesive throughout. We're looking to do cohesive throughout the entire SOMI district. That's up to you guys. I guess. I do know that we talked about it trying to have some kind of consistency at least in the downtown area. Yeah, yeah. That's the so we district. Yeah. Yeah. So at least having two different types to also gives you some flexibility there too because there may be areas where the chairs are not appropriate or where the concrete benches are not appropriate depending on where you are downtown. I think they give you two different fields as well. It's a nice kind of mix to have both options. Okay, thank you. Just plantings just generally, you know, I mean you guys seeing these I think but what we're talking're talking about for the trees, which is always the most important, right, is that we're trying to get as many shade trees as we can, as many native trees as we can. We're looking for some accents, like flowering trees. The flowering trees are not native, at least the Shoey ones, so that's will be not native. But we will have enough room in some places, maybe to get some oak trees in and to have them with enough soil volume that they'll actually develop into oak trees unlike the ones that are out here now. But in other places, it's a little bit too tight so we would recommend something smaller like green button woods or silver button woods or stoppers. So there's a variety of different trees that we might try depending on the space. We also like the bridal veil tree as another tree which is not native, but it's a very nice tree. They've used it a lot in coral gables, and it just gives you a really nice umbrella shape and a light not, it can get large but not too large. So and it's kind of allows you to see things through it a little bit more. It's not quite as dense. So using some of those in some places may also be an option, especially where we have tight. There are some parts of the street where we don't have as much space because of the parking and or the The arcades that happen in some locations So then we're gonna look at the west side before we do that to any if I can ask Can we go back a couple slides just to let chemistry guy get caught up? I can figure out how to do that. OK. I don't know how to do that. OK. I'm going to go back to. I think yeah, there we go. Just start here. And if you want to quickly go through the present condition. Yeah. For those. I went to the downtown advisory board. OK. So you saw this before. OK, I'm sorry. Thanks. So you saw this before. Okay, I'm sorry. Thanks, Mayor. You haven't seen all the renderings though. They weren't done yet. This is a rendering. I'll be more than happy to watch that. Yeah, so this is the east side and the rendering of what that condition might look like as well as a 60 second avenue we were talking about. This is where we proposed the raised intersection. So that the pavers come up to the same grade. So it comes more like a plaza in the center. You said 60 second Avenue? I'm sorry, 68, that in here. 58, 58, 58. It's OK. Oh yeah, you're right, 58. My number's all over the place today. You threw me off on 60 seconds. Sorry. And we were talking about the materials, right? And furnishings, so that was our last, I think you came in on furnishings. I did. Yeah, okay. Thank you. And did you guys see the, like all the different iterations were, how they got here? No. Okay. Well, I guess most of the feedback that we received is kind of like what you're seeing on the renderings. Feedback from the home town advisory board. Feedback from the different settings that we've seen. Like the different iterations is where it's pretty much landed. According to what I've heard and listened from our art, is a combination of what the public voted on from the public meetings that started, we've started with the three options, right? So that's the geometry, correct? Of the actual street? Yes, so. Not only the geometry, the design, the design. There wasn't design also, so there were like different design options for the sidewalks. So we went with the one that was voted on. No Understand, but in terms of the actual Combinations of materials and colors, is there kind of depicted the renderings? Yeah, they're a little different than what we have. Okay, cuz I yeah, cuz that looks My recollection is very different than what I had seen before. What did you see before? Not not not the aggregate glass and some of the other combination of materials. You like the glass? Well, I just want to get through the presentation. I don't give my comments. I'm trying But yes, it is a combination of listening to the advisory board into each of the commissioners So it's you know, we've gone a lot of different ways trying to find a compromise No, the other way up The other way. There you go. Okay, sorry. Westside. Okay. Um, originally it's a, we, we had a proposed getting rid of some of the travel lanes on the westside and making an arrow to get the street, the sidewalk spliter. We had a lot of resistance to that. So we went back to it being two lanes in both directions. People really wanted the cycle track. They wanted some cycling here. But without getting rid of a lane, we really had a hard time fitting it. So what we have done is is to propose doing a taking some of the public right away doing an easement along south. we'll talk about that in a minute but we're going to get some cycle ability in there. Key comments that we got don't remember the travel lanes, swap the cycle track, we're a shared use path and relocate the palm trees in the medium so because I used guys spent a lot of money on your palm trees. I just want to throw them out so we're going to find room for them. So this is sort of, again, the diagram of what we had, what it ended up being. You can see that pink line that runs through is the easement that we were talking about. All this easement means is that in that part of their setback, back that not build anything, they would keep a clean side, clear sidewalk for walking, which allows us to use the public part of the sidewalk more as a multi-use path. So here are the changes that you see. The biggest change is in that one block that you see between, I can't read the numbers there, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, 60, little bit wider in front of in front of that block. And to do that we remove the median in that area and made the sidewalk wider on the north side. So that's the biggest change here and then the east meant along the southern edge where the new development will go. And there's your before and your after and a rendering. So again, we have this space. I think the next slide shows a little better. Well, this is the arcade condition that we were talking about and how difficult it is to walk along that area. It's very tight there. And sort of in this one you can get it, it's a diagram of the multi-use path that you can see how much space. So we'll still have, even, I think it's about 10 feet, of multi-use path, and then another five feet of walking space. So that's the easement, the five-feetable. And then the multi-use path path people can walk there, but it could also be for bicycles. So it's a shared use path. So the bicycle, the idea there, this was, you know, we talked about the bike lanes and connectivity to the loved one trail, as well as connecting then down to the underlying and going south to 73rd, we want to try to put bike facility along 73rd because the east side of sunset is just too tight to fit more bicycles in there along with the pedestrians. So that's the idea of the route that that we would going. Okay, I'm just going to talk now. Thanks, thank you Jenny. Good evening. So, like Juan was saying at the beginning of the presentation, we've really gotten to our crossroads in this process. And for our team to carry on to the next phase of work, which includes developing cities and so forth, there's design direction that we want you guys to provide so that we can kind of ink certain steps that is all based on what's been shared, but we wanna open up also some areas for discussion. And so that we could go kind of, boom, boom, boom, punch through the punch list and get resolution on any of the things that you may be kind of wandering about. So with that, you know, let's, we can get started on the east side for the sunset drive concept. And based on everything that Jenny covered, we just wanna kind of gauge if there's a general agreement in the direction that we have and is moving forward as presented okay. Any, any. Calling scott, it starts. I'm good the way this, according to make sure that it's lush and green. The choice of trees obviously haven't been determined, but I think the overall canopy field may be a little bit more widespread use of the trees. I see on the right hand side and the rendering. There's a big spot without trees, but we just got to figure out how to find the trees. I think it's a good way to find the trees. the overall canopy field, maybe a little bit more widespread use of the trees. I see on the right hand side in the rendering there's a big spot without trees, but we just got to figure out how to make sure it's a lot more canopy. I think canopy for us in the city is a big deal for us, especially along sunset drive. I think what we want is walkability, especially with these heat nowadays, we definitely want canopy there. for the design structure with the the the the pavers with the glass structure with the concrete and the mix. I think the mix the mix of materials makes it look different. It looks you know special. You know it's not my forte to dictate what type of materials to be used. I think that the job of the commission is to make sure the job of the commission is to make sure that we have a good budget, that the design features follow as a process. And then hopefully we push the project forward. Right? So that's in my opinion what the commission should do. I'm not a designer. I'm an engineer. So I want to make sure it's structurally correct, and that we do all the infrastructure underneath it, but from aesthetically, I think it looks great. Yeah, I will say that where you see the blank spot of no trees there is because of the parking. So in order to keep in there are some places that in order to keep parking, you can't fit both. They try, and when you go out there now, in order to keep, in there are some places that in order to keep parking, you can't fit both. They try, and when you go out there now, you see what happens when you try to fit both, and you can't walk there. So, there will be some gaps in the canopy, not a lot, but there are some. And that's fair. And the thing with the aggregate, one of the reasons we chose it was because of its longevity, that the glass does not fade the way color, concrete, or papers do. It stays the same color, which is really nice. I mean, that, you know, five years from now, it's still gonna be blue or green or whatever color it is. Whereas the papers and the concrete is all gonna start to fade out after a while. If you look at what's out there now, there was a pattern in it. It's you can barely tell where the pattern was anymore. And we like the aggregate for that reason too. It gives it a little bit of a special. It's kind of like a little bit of old world because it's a little terazoli kind of, but it's not quite. So that's, I mean, aesthetic, I think from a geometry perspective, I've had my comments, they, you know, they said they made sense, they were reflected. Estetically, I don't think this works for me. And it just feels like it's disjointed. It seems like we're kind of blending motifs. The color palette seems a bit inconsistent, a little well. I don't know if we decided to treat the intersection papers a different color because we're trying to make the geometry of that elevation, something that's noticeable drivers, opposed to keeping the regular pattern. But it's just the brown with a light gray and then we've got this kind of blue, chorizo element down the sidewalks. It seems like we're building, we're kind of meshing styles. I'd rather just kind of just pick a more traditional, wanting to go, like, when I see this glass aggregate, I think Art Deco. But the rest of the aesthetic doesn't reflect Arteko. It's kind of this very modern modern motif in terms of the street furniture and the lighting and the ballersman selected. So it just seems disconnected to me that way and frankly had we not had the the glass it probably wouldn't have been as obvious, but it just seems like it kind of feels a little frankenessed stylish to me. That's what I try to be offensive. Polarizing to you. No, it feels like it was done. It feels like it was the work of a compromise, right? As opposed to something you kind of give a designer, to your point, the freedom to say, what's the right aesthetic, right? This feels like it's been a negotiated aesthetic. And I think it's the last, some personalities are result. Sorry, Mary, in retrospect to the glass, you said art deco, but I think Med Century, right? So. Med Century moderns, but the rest of the, but if you look at the ballers and the lighting fixtures, they're, they're, they're don't reflect that, that, you know, that aesthetic. It's a very different, a very different aesthetic than what you would, what the glass harkens back to. So I would say let's pick one lane or the other and stick with it as opposed to try to speak to both worlds because I think we kind of hurt the overall aesthetic. That's my personal opinion, but I'm, you know, again. And I guess I would put that out there then do you see it going more towards the modern or more towards the tradition? Well, I guess the thing is I don't, I don't, again, I'm not a designer to Steve's point. I'm, you know, a lawyer, worst of all combinations here, right? So, I think I would like to, I would like to see with respect to this one subset of issues, what the package would look like that would speak to one aesthetic versus the other. Then with that, let's say, is there a more modern aesthetic that's reflective, I would say more of the light fixtures and how we would finish the sidewalk that way. But if we want to go in the direction of the aggregate, which I think is a nice touch, but? But how would we build on that in terms of the actual physical infrastructure that would speak to that theme, right? And from there, I could probably give you a better answer as to what would be, to me, the better approach. I, you know, I like mid-century modern persons in the static. I like it's, there's not a lot of places like that. the other more modern elements you're seeing a lot more urban development. So it kind of almost becomes like almost at anywhere USA kind of treatment. So I'd be fine going with a more retro aesthetic on the street. But I think the combination of both of them for me just doesn't work. So um. Definitely is a combination. I'm just gonna say because that was intentional combination. and And I and that it's some people might everyone might like that. For me, it's not my it's not my favorite outcome, but again, I'm just one voice. So I mean, I see what you're I think what throws it off the most is if anything, it's the brown pravers because you got I mean, your sidewalks are somewhat modern. You have the theraso, terrasos used everywhere, as far as in modern design now, with new restaurants, new things going up. You have the LED lights and the ballers. I would say probably if you change the pavers, maybe I don't know, but that'll probably change it. It's the brown, maybe that throws you out from the gray. No, I think it's to be clear. I think it's the whole aesthetics seems like it's been, like we've tried to compromise to kind of address different comments. So I mean, I think it's not just the color of the payers. I mean, that to me was the most obvious contrast because it's the most jarring contrast. But I think also the street furniture that was selected, right? With a half wood, half metal. Again, it just, it doesn't seem to me to kind of just neatly all come together. Like I think we've blended aesthetics in all the elements, not just in the color of the papers. Mary, if I can. The glass, a torosal glass look, is it textured? Is it slippery? Is it a liability issue for us? I got some comments on that earlier. It is not slippery. Okay. And it is a little textured. It is a little textured. So because it's actually the glass is broadcast onto it and then pressed down into it. So there's a little bit of texture just in the making of that that makes it not slippery. We've done this actually at a school and it's been there for like eight years now and like nobody's ever slipped on it. So the kids can handle it. Yeah. You know, Mayor, I think that one of the things that when we started this collective process is how do we keep our old hometown feel while keeping up with the modern of what's coming down the pipeline, right? I think that we all agree that we don't like super urban modern designs and under the real fixtures, our buildings don't, I mean, classically, we kept a lot of that stuff on Sanford Drive to make sure it gives our history that type of feedback. The mid century look is something that I like for our city. I think this this current building even though I'm not a big fan of it, but it's mid century and it's a classic. So trying to touch back on that and that mix and feel something that I would appreciate. The other thing that we're not really thinking about here is and I see I see you guys here is The new buildings that are coming down the pipeline whether it's you know in the plans with the current With currently with the current what are you calling the second building where deli land is? I I'm sorry I'm looking at you guys real quick number two there we go so number one and number two so number one and number two like the looking feel of it moving forward are they gonna match are they not the city hall the city hall environment that we have coming down the pipeline what is that gonna look and feel like so I you know I know it's not your job necessarily to kind of foresee or forecast what's going to happen from a design perspective. But, you know, I want to make sure there's some type of synergies throughout. It just makes the look a lot better. It's just pointing some things here to make sure we all understand what's coming down the pipeline. Especially on that corridor. I mean, we have three major buildings coming. It may be possibly four right across the street. At least everything we've seen so far, it has been very modern for the new development. So, commissioner, yeah. Our current city hall won't be here. The new city hall is all windows, all glazing, very modern, which I think these light features, the ballers, I personally like the glass. It makes the sidewalk pop. It's a different feature. So I think if you put everything into perspective, we're actually more down the modern side with the new development of the new buildings coming up because of the glazing. Look at sunset place. If you see the renderings, that's all going to be modern European style. It's not going to be, you know, older, what was the mid-century. So I think going with a more modern feel is going to, I think, reflect more of our buildings. On another note, we kept sunset drive the way it is, but we kept it in height. Because if these owners decide that they want to do something new, which hopefully the bank building is, and it will be more modern, it's probably going to be more modern. It's not going to be what it currently looks like. It looks like that. Well, it's not going to look like that. Hopefully not. That's always the money. So, from my perspective, again, my humble opinion is I like going with more of the modern the LED light poles. I like the glass. And we're moving towards a more modern feel to our hometown or our Somi district especially with City Hall the way that we've seen in the rendries if we hold true to that you know our City Hall is gonna be all glass. that we have the old soul. Yeah. We have the old soul. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of personally and all the lives out of this. So we'll see. Well, I think too that the materials and the types of benches is all stuck to that we can pin down when we get into the CDs as well because this is still schematic, this is a rendering, it's a concept. Yeah, I mean that the idea that the papers would be a different color than the street is the idea what color is, you know, is debatable, right? So in terms of moving the concept forward, I mean, from a geometry perspective, gentlemen, are we, are we good? How the street is laid out? You're okay. As far as layout and geometry. I mean, the geometry parking, where we want to see landscaping happen, we are all fine with what they've proposed. I mean, I have no comment on that. So we want to see some alternatives on how they combine the aesthetic look. Either one direction to the direction, different materials, what do you want to see? Why you were I was just saying that we're moving towards more. Well, now you said about city hub, but if you look at the renderings, yeah, no, they're supposed to. They were supposed to go so far. So we're moving the sunset place, or whatever the new design district that they're gonna put there, whatever it's called, whatever you call it, is a more modern feel. So we're moving away from this old classical sunset drive to a more modern feel. So for me, it's more of, let's keep it that way, or move towards that way with how we pick it. So that's my only comment is if we try to keep more classical things, our city is going to develop in my mind. I don't know what you do. I would ask you, what do you mean by classic? And I'm not. Like traditional, like how it is mind. I don't know what you do. So I would ask you, what do you mean by classic? And I'm not, I'm not. Like traditional, like how it is now, I don't think we're gonna get that. I don't, I don't know that I wanna retain the existing aesthetic, correct, personally. So what you're moving to a more more. I think what I'm saying here is I think either of the, I see two kind of design themes embedded in this design. And all I'm saying is I'd rather break them apart, say one or the other. That's my kind of design themes embedded in this design. And all I'm saying is I rather break them apart and say one or the other. That's my kind of initial reaction. So, you know, if we ended up with one, either of the two, I mean, this combination of the two is what I'm kind of reacting to at least two. We're hearing aesthetic cohesiveness. Correct, yes. And my perspective, I'm more towards the modern. Okay. I just amizant you guys could let me know Well, we do have a time that we're trying to move forward. So if we said we are fine with marrying ourselves to the We call the geometry of the street Could we proceed with at least beginning design document and construction document development and we can deal with the materiality and continue conversation. So gentlemen, without any objections, is that how we want to proceed? Okay, on the east of West Side, we're good. Okay. Good, we're good. Do we want to open up the floor for any public comment? Okay, so- I may warn things, please. So one of the things, I think we discussed this when we first met. And this is more for the design but more Implementing and this is a perfect example of those hydraulic ballards where we can you know This is a corridor of area where we have festivals and you know The art festival the Porsche you know bringing those ballards up and down and you on 73rd or dorn, having that, you know, to close off the streets if it's something that you can look into and possibly implement into the project. CDs. Yeah, into the CDs. We will look into it. I'm just gonna say that we did not have any luck getting that permitted with the county for Flagler Street because Flagler definitely wanted to do that as well and the county would not allow it. And Flagler is not a county. Yes, and through or here. Yeah, so we can look into it, but I don't know if they'll allow it or not. Okay. Well, see, or 73rd and Dorn or, you know. Yeah, some of the side streets maybe, maybe harder to like actually do it on sunset. On sunset? Yeah. You know the county. Not okay. Okay, so let's let's let's open up the floor just if we can for some public comment. There's any regarding the proposed geometry for or drive both these and us and any of the materiality. So if there's anyone like to address the commission that's here on the first topic of discussion, I'd invite you up this time to add any thoughts. Is there any audience who'd like to come up and say a few words on those two items? And anyone on Zoom please raise your approach your hand. Okay, so we're seeing no one in the chamber and no one online. We will, or would you like to say something? Please come forward. Good evening. Good evening, how are you doing? I guess I have questions if we go back to the slide that you were on. I guess questions. Which slide would you like to see? The one that we were talking about. Okay, yeah. Just a couple of things really quickly. On the north side is a side that gets the most sun. Sun, yeah. All the time. I'm sorry to see that there's a lot more cars there because it's really so sunny that I find myself walking on the south side of the street all the time. So when looking at trees, of course, I'm sure you're very aware you're going to have to keep those. The canopy cattle low, or else if it's too high, then the sun's going to underneath it, and you're feeding the purpose. So that's an obvious observation. The other thing too is, is there any designation for worse tables and chairs will go for restaurants? Because I see where trees and public seats are. Yes, excellent question. So. But where is this seating designation? So question on that point. It would go in the amenity area. Ideally. So. So basically, yeah. So if we can go back to the maybe the diagram of the street itself. I will say that there are some places where the sidewalk is much wider and somewhere it's narrower so where it's very wide you may be able to have some against the building and some out here as long as you're leaving and a lot of of that is regulation for the city as well as to what they would like. I will say that on other streets we've, you know, where we've done amenity zones, the restaurants tend to not stay in the amenity zones. They tend to, they like to have them right against the building, you know, so they're closer. So, well, the reason I bring that up is when you put in that aisle in the middle of the terrace or look and whatever, which is interesting. To me, it says walk here. Correct, yes. That's the idea. You walk to the right because that's for public seating. Don't walk to the left, typically, because that might be seating for restaurants. But that's something that I just wanted to... I didn't see it clearly designated so that was a question. Do you have anything to do if you go back to that corner where the baller's are or where they're the lighting at the other slide? The one no. Keep going forward? I've been talking about the most. No the other way the other. No it's going the right way. It's that intersection of 58. There you go. Right there. Yeah. Okay so my comments are yeah the The brick favors look a little bland in comparison to, I think, with the vivaciousness that we're trying to bring back to the city and moving forward modern appearance, whether it's post, you know, whether it's mid-century modern, but that color seems a little, so whatever you do, I would like for it to be, of course, a huge contrast to anybody. So people see it as higher. But that's not the color that I think is appealing. The other two that I wanted to bring up is- I'm sorry, just to your comment was respect to the pavers of the intersection. The pavers, the color of the intersection are on the sidewalk. Are both. The intersection. like it's not, I don't think that's the color you intended, but it's coming across very bland and you know these are just aesthetic things but one of the things I did want to mention in terms of safety, some of you might remember that someone was killed on that intersection not too long ago. And that corner is very tight, very delicate, and there's a lot of people crosswalking, not always. Sorry, can I talk about this intersection, the one to to ourselves. This one this one right there but just like I'm 73rd right in 15th. I'm sorry I'm just asking the manager. Yeah it was there it was a truck going westbound made a left to go southbound. I'm sorry here on sunset? Yes correct. Okay I'm sorry. I did this intersection. So anyway what I would suggest is that you look at perhaps doing lighting that performs as ballers. Which is what I was with the first thing that I thought is what you did but then when I heard that there might be a thing with the city that you may not be able to get the ballers. No, these are these are pneumatic ballers that would open down and block the intersection. If these could perform as ballers and you're killing two birds. They are. They think that seems great. So the other question is the bike lane. I don't see how bike lane is going to be on 73rd street. I saw that kind of zigzag 73rd street up US one and then back on 72nd. How does that work? It's very tight to begin with just for cars much less bikes.. So at a concept level, we plan for a connection. We haven't died too much in detail into the drawing for 73rd. So I guess that's yet to be resolved. It's an excellent question. It's one that I had with a design team. My initial thinking was, let's push everyone to the underline. Off of 57th, using underline as a connection point. North and West. It by personal opinion, we should remove the connections. East and West on 73rd, on the East side and on Sunson on the West side. Just because of geometry, it gets very constrained. I couldn't follow that description. So if we go back, if we go back to the drawing, has the underlying, we can go back there for a second. Just a, the bike lane one? The bike lane one, yeah. Right there. If you go back to, okay. So rather than have these two east west connections, going from 57th to US one, and then US one to 62nd on sunset. Basically push people up 57th to the underline and have the museum underlines the connecting point to points north, south and east and west. Yeah, I'm still not following but under the metro rail. Under the metro rail. 57th up to. But what I'm saying is what about the part that goes on Sunset? The part that goes census is on the east side is not possible because of the width of the roadway. On the portion west of US one, it's possible. I think the question you may raise is it really practical given how it's configured here. Are people going to really use it? And I had the same question. Yeah, OK, so that's the other thing. The other thing too is we didn't talk about the intersection of US1 and sunset drive. And we had talked about left turns and no left turns. And how that's been addressed. The left turn has been preserved. And this. So is there any change to the traffic flow in US1 and US27 to Avenue? Well, that's changed quite a bit from our last meeting. We listen to people. I don't know about that. Sometimes. Did you have a particular concern there? Because we had to know how that had developed. Yeah, there had been a lot of feedback because my recollection of people who thought that that was a mistake to remove that left-hand movement onto sunset. So that was retained for that reason. The two movements that are still open are the configuration of 50 eighth court and 57th court as to whether they're going to be one way or two way. And the trade off there is a one way conversion allows us to reclaim more space to expand the sidewalks. If you walk those two segments, you know, they're not exactly very pleasant walking conditions today with the sidewalk was. So which one are you trying to make one way? 58th court? Yeah. And 58th. And 57th court. And put bigger sidewalks. 57th court is being proposed if you retain two way. So it is where kitchenth is. Correct. Yes. And yes, and it's free pizza. So that's considered as one living in one way. We determined that the lanes are wider there so that we can actually narrow the travel lanes and widen the sidewalks and keep it two way. And then, so 57th cord would be two way. Two way. Which one would be one way? Possibly a 58th. Yeah. Which is. Bougainville is it. No, that's 58th. No, it's the, it's a side with, it has a garage entrance. Oh, yeah. Paradex press. Paradex press. Yeah. And that would be one way going south. Going south. Yes. with an additional, we had talked, there were concerns about loading there and to food deliveries and stuff, so there would be a designated like loading area along that street as well. Okay, so then if I may, let me clarify something. So, 58 because of the current narrow nature of sidewalks and how people would park ideally in the parking garage and then access sunset, we find a need to expand that sidewalk. We find that need and yet the next phase of this will actually look at the traffic and make sure that that is feasible. feasible. So it's not a given just yet. So it's not that we're trying to do it, is that we are getting either positive or negative feedback now so that we can move forward with an actual study. I will tell us whether or not it's actually feasible. Which is the other thing that my last point was, how is all this traffic and how the traffic may change or may not change affect the street south on the 274thth Street. I remember last time we talked about expanding the scope of your work to read not just on 72nd and 73rd, but one street south to 74th Street because everything that you do that change goes there. So has that been addressed at all? No, so the Jason streets have, as it's still under concept, and we haven't done, right now it's just sunset drive, and 73rd and 74th, and the Jason streets are more. Right, 74th is what I'm talking about. Yeah, but it's more concept right now that we haven't worked on it. Yeah, so we really don't know whether or not this is feasible. So if it is feasible, then we will extend to see how that affects 74th. But there's no reason right now to look into that unless it's a less that one way that that conversion into one way is actually feasible. Right. Okay, it's not something that needs to be looked at because it's becoming a highway. 74th street has become a highway. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it's a highway. My live right on it, I see it every day. Traffic is a big deal. It's going quite quickly. People run stop sign on 58th Avenue and 74th Street all the time. And it's gonna be more so now with the the battle on bay opening and with the other things that are happening so that you can't just stop the study at seventy thirty. I am and for on you to look at seventy four street realistically with all of us to make sure that it doesn't become more than it already is. I think that maybe what you'll see is that with the amount of density that we have no specific areas that you have more walkability and cars will need to slow down. And we also have the ability in moving forward to see how we can do some more enforcement. There will be parks. There's a lot of things that might be coming down the pipeline that we just don't know how it's going to shake out there on 74 street. There's so many things happening. Right, but I just don't want you to lose sight of that street, which is going to be the most impacted by all these changes and you get to consider things that are very inexpensive traffic calming devices even an extra stop sign raise an intersection here in there that might deter people from speeding through there so you may not have to spend a tremendous amount of money but you get a tremendous amount of bang for your buck if you look at it now instead of later you know to that, with our SOMI Connect app, you know, one of the things that we've been trying to do is make sure we get feedback from the community. If we have issues with speed, we can put, you know, I forgot what the measures to measure, you know, what we're doing, what's happening, I forgot what it's called. But we can start studying and see if it's a real issue. We can do more enforcement there. So if you told the community to use it the way we get more data, it helps out a lot too. All right, great. Thank you so much. Thank you for your very thoughtful comments. Thank you. Hopefully. That's good. Thank you. Mr. Smith, good evening. Good evening, John Edwards. Smith, I like the comments that the lady mentioned regarding the color of those pavers on 58th. I think they are a little too brass. I do like the idea of the glass in the sidewalks. I would remind us that the city colors are not blue and white, but green and yellow. So that's something green and and yellow. Green and yellow. OK. I did not. Yeah. Well, it's because one of the former managers was monochromatic and he liked blue. And everything went blue. But that wasn't how I didn't know the setup. With respect to the bike lanes, and I I have, you know, particular concern about this. And I mentioned it or noted it in my comments to the commission, my written comments to the commission. 73rd, the intersection is comes into US 1 on a 45 degree angle. It would be very difficult to engineer a connection biking without the city taking some of the corner properties. I'm trying to let it go. That way, where Einstein isn't things like that, you can't make a 90 degree turn into a 45 degree angle. I mean, it just doesn't make sense. And also, I don't think 73rd Street is wide enough to have dedicated bike lanes. And I think what we need to do really is to have a dedicated bike lane, both north and south on all of ours, on our main streets. And I would address the need or the desire to continue this out to the Vodlam Trail so that we have bike lanes on both sides of Sunset Drive coming into our hometown district and connecting with the Budlem Trail. But I like the geometries of the streetscape. I think they look good. I think they're attractive. I think taking out some of the parking and moving the trees into a way from the buildings, I think is a good idea. I'm concerned about, and it was mentioned about the Canary date palms that are out in front of Sunset Drive and in front of City Hall. They run about $15,000 a piece. So we're looking at almost a quarter of a million dollars or more. So I hope we look to perceive the, preserve those. Interesting point and I know the mayor has spoken about the original bakery center and all of the royal palms that were in the parking lot of the bakery center. Well, they're sitting out here in the front of City Hall on the median, but in that whole section on the sidewalks. They were harvested by the city. City manager Eddie Cox got them to come in and we put them in there. I can't say that those are also the same palms that are on sunset drive where the old First National Bank of South Miami is. That I call the Somi sidewalk column because of the way they're positioned and the skateboarders and everybody else. It's a slalom course. So I'm glad they're going to be gone. But other than that, I think some of our majestic palms need to be preserved and utilized. I'm not talking about the, I'm not talking about the royal palms, but I'm talking about the Canary Date palms. And we use that as a landscape branding. We had them here in front of City Hall. We were fortunate enough to, it took eight years to get them put in in front of Sunset Place, where we had a median strip or a turn lane rather on Sunset Drive, going into the Sunset Place. That turn lane was never used because the through street was never incorporated. And we had delivery trucks parking on our main street during the day to make deliveries and was very successful. Or it took eight years to get the the mature palms in there and then subsequently successful with the county and having those signature palms put in on the median strip on Red Road, south of sunset. And I know there are plans to duplicate those same palms on the north side of Red Road of sunset. And when dealing with Red Road, and I realize this project deals with sunset drive. But when you turn the corner at lanes at sunset in 57, there's four little singular palm trees. We could probably turn the corner and put some shade trees in there. When Sunset Drive was first done in 1996 or whatever it was, it stopped at Red Road. I mean, literally stopped. The design was an angle going across Sunset Drive and Red Road. And the businesses on Red Road always feel disenfranchised when we're doing things on sunset drive and sunset drive alone. And they don't feel like they're part of South Miami. In my estimation, the heart of South Miami is red in sunset. That's where we I don't describe US one as the heart of South Miami is red in sunset. That's where we are. I don't describe US one as the heart of South Miami. US one rips the heart of South Miami. And to hear it referred to as the heart of South Miami, as I've heard in a couple of these presentations, is a lack of understanding of the dynamic and the synergy of what we have. Thank you. And I was able to pen my essay, I hope you're able to get a chance to read it of bike lanes, palm trees, and dromedaries. We're hoping for more horses, sir. We're hoping for more horses and not camels. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Anyone else? OK, so we'll close up. Public comment? And oh, do we have one more? No? No. OK, well, let's move on. Great. We can move on on our punch list on item number two. And this is related to the West side. And based in concept on the elements that were discussed, again, we want to make sure that there's general agreement in terms of moving forward. I think same comment on this on the East side. John, which Yeah, I'm a tree side. Layout's fine. More comment, more discussion on materials. Great. I think that we've already touched a bit on these. Our next point is about design patterns and design elements. And I think that we've discussed the blue strip and furnishings and cohesiveness of materials. So I think that we've already covered this specific, however, there is a recommendation that it's a bit more technical here. And it's about the extension and how to handle this. And so the new The new sidewalk will provide a smooth transition with the existing sidewalk, so because of the extension, and to create a single level water surface. And then it has less maintenance requirements. So this is option one of the two options that are at the table in terms of extending the sidewalk. The cons of using option two, which you can see here on the graphic, it's that there's a slope transition, there's a differential that may be a tripping hazard, and it will require a bit more of maintenance. The team has recommended option one, but we want it nevertheless to bring both options that are on the table and that the design team could consider in the design phase to move forward. So we wanted to You put one again, please. Yes. So it's my colleagues who are a contractor and engineers. Yes. Effectively, I'm going to defer to you guys on this particular. Yeah, like no number two you're gonna have to put some sort of drainage there So it's just that's gonna be an added cost wear and I'm going to defer to you guys on this particular lecture. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. the second one, they're gonna have to relocate the drainage because the drainage is currently further in, like with the existing curves, so they'll have to relocate it out. Whereas the second one, you'd have to install some kind of trench drain in the middle. Correct. And I can say that everywhere I've seen this happen, they end up removing it because they are not happy. No, and then there, now you get, so what? The grill for the trench drain, and then you have the blue and then you have now you start adding and then the mayor's not gonna like any of that. Right. Give me your guy you agreeing with Commissioner Rodriguez? Okay so I think option one so based on the two tactical experts up here. Thank you. Well, we've already also discussed the materials for sidewalks and crosswalks. I think it's been already... I will say this when I look at it with the overhead shop for some reason that looks more cohesive. I don't know what that is. But maybe just the rendering. But anyhow, it looks different. The paper's due to the design. Yeah. Next item, it's the five foot easement along the Civic Center side on the west side. And is there a general agreement to move forward with this approach, meaning the five foot easement, it's a legal mechanism so that there is a designation for that easement and that the city attorney will have to move forward with the paperwork. So the five foot easement that you have there you had said that that was for bike? So in completion the five foot easement adds to the total width of the expanded sidewalk which allows for the multi-use path. And you're going to do that on sides, on both the city hall side. It's just the city hall side. Just on the southern side. Just the city hall on the south side. Okay, so that was my question. Do we get all the way to the corner? Do we know with the proposed project that Mr. Dorsey is brought forward whether they're gonna be dedicating five feet? I mean, that's the, so I think, to me, that's the critical issue, which is, are we going to get? No, no, no, no, no. So, currently, there's a setback. And so, the easement would be chewing into the currently established setback. But establishing the easement ensures that this setback will remain public use. And so it's just a way of, I guess, legalizing that it won't be obstructed. Of course, there's maintenance in the agreement. There's a maintenance agreement. The city, you know, becomes responsible for the maintenance of that five-foot. easement as opposed to the property owner. So... reason for asking that was because now that easement can be used for the out, for future building as outdoor dining area. So the, the easement that it's right next to the sidewalk. Yeah. Um, it's a very right. It depends how, how wide your outdoor dining rules apply. So it's relative. So I'm confused. So I'll just say that. I don't know if anyone else is. So we're talking about, there's the concepts of the base building lines. We're talking area beyond the base building line. Yes. So we're between the building line. We're right away. So part of the, we're talking about part of the zone right away. That would be the first five feet of the property law. Of private property. Yeah. Private property. Okay. That's a five foot easement. Okay, so you're saying it would be dedicated. Well, no, it would be dedicated to us. saying there would be a set, it would be basically a setback that could not be built and could not be built within essentially. Yeah, honestly, it's very simple. And I think you can see it on the image here. In the interest of ensuring that there is a clear path for pedestrians and for the multi-modal path dedicated within the right of or not within the right of way. Within the public realm, we recommend that the five foot setback, where the building sets back within its property, be dedicated, or in other words, create an easement to ensure that there is no impediments or future obstacles when the property gets developed. What that does, it ensures that clear path can remain that way and they can't put any furniture or any other, within those first five feet, it's not what the way in combing an incredible amount of room. And that area cannot be built anyways because it's part of the existing zoning to be set back to. So that's the question I have. So I don't know. I think the building that was proposed to the corner of our development services director can confirm for us or look it up or we're talking about it. Has a canopy that's actually or a colony that goes to the property line? I forget what they have do you know if, I forget what they have in the building is the local project that came in on the corner. So, the code used to allow you to go to the back of sidewalk with a colony. We removed that in the code. We're not talking back of sidewalk here. We're talking about. No, private property. I'm saying that before you used to be able to go to the very back of sidewalk There was no setback at all. Okay, so we changed it in the revisions that we worked on with Coridino that you're required to have a setback and that that would be dedicated to the city It is but I don't have to check the application date on that because it would trigger depending on what the application The day they applied so that's so that's that's the question I have. I think for a future condition, I think this would work well. But by my end, if we can't capture that corner, it's almost not worth doing it on the balance of the block face because it'll be interrupted. I don't know if you all, as design professionals, have a difference with opinion. I'm not thinking that personally, looking at this project holistically, I'd rather have it as much as we can, and then either narrow the path when we have to in these limited situations, which are projects that are already approved. But just because of a project being approved, I wouldn't give up on the rest of the multimodal path. Again, if anything, I mean, it's not the end of the world when it happens all the time, when you have existing cities that you have to meander a little bit and just call exact thoughts. I'm good with that. Yeah, I got to say that. That's already written into our code. We did that in the last modification. and it was as a reaction to what happened on the corner of 62nd and sunset with Baptist Hospital. That. I mean, that's already written into our code. We did that in the last modification, and it was as a reaction to what happened on the corner of 62nd and sunset with the Baptist hospital, that they're right up against the back of sidewalk. So it's very difficult. Yeah, but this, I'm sorry, we're using terms here and I'm not sure they're the same. This is not back of sidewalk. The sidewalk is actually all the way over. We're talking about back. Yeah. Property line. Yeah, back side. That was a property line in those areas. Yeah. No, the back side walk is not usually the property line. The back of the property line is usually the property line or the base building line. Right. The side walk is the back of side. Okay. My mind is the edge of the right of way closes the street. The drive all in. Okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's why I'm confused. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just, yeah, no, no, no, I'm feeling like I'm, yeah. Yeah, so we were talking the same thing to me back as I walk or, you know, the way I walk. Okay, so you could build a colony to the property line. So what you're saying before you before you could know you cannot. Okay. Okay. Okay. I generally have zero objections to this condition. I just want to make sure if we're going to implement it. If we're not capturing the corner, I'm not sure if it's going to be that big of a... So I'm going to see Vic's center in this segment on the west side. It's over 80% of what we're talking about. So to one's point, if we maintain the multi-use path at least for that, if it can't happen in the corner, it'll narrow down to the sidewalk with, but at least 80% of the segment will be able to enjoy of the multi-use path and the benefits of that. I'm good. No. The only is we wait. This is for this. This would be reflected in the design document. Correct. Correct. So I mean that's that's the issue. Do we want to do we want to include it? Yeah. For for. Their use is different than the use I would use it for. I would use it for because I'm so the left side, you would have the building, whatever this complex is gonna look like, if you have commercial spaces there, that easement can be used for outdoor dining. Yeah. And it's already in there, and it doesn't go into the sidewalk, and it doesn't go into the amenities area, or they can. It's just added space for them for outdoor seating. So let's include it. Okay. Okay. Let's include it. Great. The next item is 57 and 58th Court, which we already also discussed. And basically here it's just to agree that there's additional study that it's necessary to move forward and that we agree that that'll be Decided in the next phase of work once the traffic studies completed Questions I guess ultimately you have to do the study before any decisions made so right now it and at this point 48th cord, it being looked at to one way for gaining sidewalk and Loading and so that's as long as it's too late I think on 57th Court I think we should have two lanes there If they're good with it I'm I'm from Northgate. I'm fine with 57, I I think what I show with the 58 is what's the right circulation patterns, since that is the sign on which the garage is located. And the only difficulty I have with this is it's great for capturing inbound trips to the garage from point to north, but it limits, I mean, you're forcing people to come back if they're coming from the east of the south, you're forcing them back onto the center of the drive and the intersection on U.S.1 to get back into the garage. And so I recognize this is a horrible sidewalk condition. It's like my least favorite part of South Miami to walk. But in terms of preserving the functionality of the garage and not creating more redundancy and trips, it might be a condition we just have to frankly live with. So I applaud what you're trying to accomplish. I just don't know that it's necessarily going to result in people you it may hurt utilization of the garage is my concern. I don't know if you'll have an opinion on that. I mean ultimately I guess your study will tell us that. What would this I guess so what what so you would engage a traffic engineer to help with that if we can so clarify for more we want to study is what I'm trying to understand. Yeah so Koradino would begin working on sunset with everything that's been approved and intent them. They would be looking at the vehicular pattern with a two-way or with a one-way on 58. And see how that affects the traffic pattern. Because remember that you're not just driving to the garage, then you park your car and then you're walking. Where are you walking? sunset then're walking to sunset, then you have a foot and a half of walking clearance. If you're in a wheelchair, you better cross this of the road. Yeah, but here's the one I'm concerned about is the following, right? When we have a special event and we close on to drive, right? There's no movement now to get into that garage. Exactly. Off-70-30, you can't make a move. So we have a large activation events, whether it's the car show or the arts festival, typically that intersection at sunset in 58th court is closed. And so we'd have to set up a one way movement in and out of that garage, you know, you know, there's no, there's no contraflow. You have to man the garage. And so I think you're just gonna have, this is a receptor garage. And unfortunately when they built it, they built it, they put the entrance on the wrong side of the garage, you'd be on the east side, where there's a signalized intersection. But again, our part at the time was trying to drive or maximize revenue for the retail. But he was capital-har. Any, if we get the green light to, I hate to use those terms, an engineering project. But if we can get that go ahead to make that study or to conduct that study as part of this project, then we can come back to you with more information and with more educator recommendation for that one street. We believe, but we don't know. So that's what I'm saying. No, I understand. I just look, I think traffic sometimes is really intuitive. It's just not really, you know, you can study to death. But it feels to me that this garage works best when it's got an approach from either direction on a 58th court. I don't know that it's my personal opinion colleagues. Again, I applaud what you're trying to do because the geometry of that street is abhorrent from a pedestrian standpoint, but this is the one place we may have to sacrifice pedestrian primacy to preserve the functionality of the garage, that we've decided to acquire three and a half years ago for whatever reason and now own, operate, and have invested nearly a million dollars into it. So I don't personally don't think it's worth studying because I think the result's going to be, you know, you have to keep the existing condition to keep your option, keep the optionality open, but if that's the preference of the board, that's the examinant. Just one second, I am why we took it over to your group. We could also look into the time restrictions for the two-way versus the one-way, and that's something that we could look into. No, but I think I don't know that I don't disagree with that recommendation other than it doesn't help with the geometry of the roadway. If the goal here is to widen sidewalks, you have to lose the traveling. That street is pre-marrow. No, it's what my point is, it's too narrow. Right, and we've put the entrance of a receptor garage with 450 spaces on the smallest street that's not controlled by a signalized intersection. It's about as stupid as stupid gets. But that's the condition we're living. If the goal here is trading between trying to enhance the pedestrian aesthetic or preserve the functionality of the garage, I still think there's a thing to study personally. I think it's one of the things that we say, Cuban say, Guy de la Mata, it's just so obvious that it's just what it is. I hate the condition when I walk out of the garage, it's my least favorite place to stop Miami. It's a very narrow sidewalk with palm trees that shouldn't be there. We should just remove the trees to be very,, you know, limit the landscaping, so we preserve as much space for pedestrians, but I don't know that we're gonna learn a whole lot from a study there, it's might with two cents, sorry to beat the dinner horse. I see his point. If you also look at the perspective of Dorin is only a right hand turn, then the street right after will only be a right hand turn. So, if you're going to be able to make a left, in the current design, you won't be able to make a left hand turn on 73rd to get into the parking garage. I think it's just going to frustrate patrons more than the right hand turn. So, I think it's I tend to agree with that. Look, I think the study might even show if we close the access from sunset drive completely on 78th court completely. Only have the in and out on the 73rd Street side. Have that as a corridor, as a patio or a corridor, or something central, like Dorn, but just closed street. That's something we can investigate as well. All entries come in from 73rd Street. We close off the entrance completely to Sunside Drive., why would they make it one way going from it? So 70 and extend the sidewalks. Again, the goal, I mean... Why? Because we do hold on. I'll explain that. So we have sidewalk. We have a portion that we can actually focus on. All right? And then we drive all traffic through 73rd street instead of sunset drive. That keeps walkability much better on sunset drive. It drives traffic directly through the 1 or 73rd street in and out on 58th court only through 73rd street. I'm not saying that's a solution. I'm saying that we can look into it, right? So there's a lot of different possible things that you can do there. Okay, again, if you wanna study this in the cost of any time, then we can do that. I don't, to me, this is designed to be a receptor garage. And we can make a big focus. The point of a receptor garage is to make it easy for people to access so they come in, they park, and they get off of their walk. And I think if you close it at sunset, you make it harder for people to access the garage. You need to circumnavigate the block. And so they're going to spend more time in their cars driving through more intersections to get to the same place, which has the effect of making the whole district less walkable. I think it's a learned effect. I mean, something that can be taught. But anyways, we can invest. Do we want to study? What's our problem? I would say yes. Quick question. in your study, would you actually speak to like the businesses that are there and see you how that would affect them or? It would inform the impact. So whether it goes in the direction of Commissioner Kaye or this direction that it's on the screen, it would, it would kind of show the impacts on what's happening at the other streets around it. So you could test what are the outcomes of either or alternative. And I mean, I guess it's warm wind on the decided. Yes. Do you want to do the study? I don't think my personal opinion, there's nothing to study. It's a terrible condition. We should just enhance the streetscape and remove the trees that have no really just don't fit within the geometry of their existing right away and preserve the functionality of the garage. Two directions, one north, one south, so people can get in and out and they terminate their trip inbound as soon as possible get other car and walk around the district which is really what I want to see happen that's how I think about it but it's in my opinion so my my my two questions would be a is this an added cost to us and no and b timeline well how how what's the timeline to get that? It is? Then I'll say no. You may ask how much it is, okay? I'm just saving, saving, quick question on 70s, 57th, sorry. Those trees, is that the sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm they're in the middle. All right, I agree with you on that. So we'll move forward on the cities without the study with the existing conditions and improving the... Since we are going back to the study and there was one thing that it wasn't mentioned, the elimination collector in line from Sunset dry to 57 court would also require the study. That would be an out of cost. What what what do you elimination of what? Elimination of the left turn lane the Westbound left turn left from Sunset dry to 57 court. Why why there? That's what the you won't be able to do left hand. It would be right out only, basically. Yeah, that has been. It's here, it's like the idea of doing the media. I don't know, so people online can hear. But the elimination of the media, of the turn lane there is to elimination of the the elimination of the the elimination of the the elimination of the elimination of the elimination turn. And then we would eliminate that and eliminate the other street. I'm sorry. Is the left hand turn going westbound or heading north? Westbound on sunset going southbound on 57. So it's just okay. So it's a southbound turn off of sunset onto the westbound left. Okay. So It's this movement here. Commissioner Rodriguez. Okay. Not this movement here. And so we'll be blocking. And we're keeping the right turn lane there. Well, it's a bus lane right now. Bus only lane, but that is going to be eliminated and it's going to be a right turn lane into the sunset, new sunset place property as well. Well, we the the the Yes. Yeah. So essentially the meeting replaces the footprint of the turn. The day is early. It's like limiting the number of terms that are happening. Basically back up as well. Like, you know, because the turn lane is not very large and only holds like three cars or something like that. is not very large and only holds like three parts or something like that. Yeah. I think that's your first study, because you need to on a line of signal, line of signal as intersection to the west. You used to make sure you can handle that additional capacity of vehicles. So that left there. So I think to summarize, there's going to be a study. The question is, what's the scope, if we keep this condition? We haven't approved the study yet. Well, so if we want to keep this condition with the median, there's going to be a study. The question is, what's the scope of the study? Which I'm sure will also affect the cost, right? Whether studying one intersection or two. So I have no problem with the first one. The second one, again, my concern is not so much about the... I've always been okay with the seventh. I just operation concerned about the viability garage with a one-way directional north or south. So yeah, go. I was just gonna ask for the study since we're saying that we wanna do the study on 57 to do the study on 58th That you said is that encompassing since we're already doing one is that included in both or is that an extra fee? How does that work? So we are ready to develop his co and it included the one way on each direction 57 and 58 We also included that on the lecture. No, so sorry, clear. It's already developed. It just hasn't been approved or completed. We haven't taken any counts. We haven't done anything at this point. I understand. The space goes with the scope. You can correct the original scope. So if you don't want to go with the 58th court, then we reduce the scope of work to only focus on the future. I would say included, but that's just my opinion. And you guys have already given us a, given the manager of proposal for this? I believe so, but has it. This way. This first sense. This is the traffic study for some time. Yeah, traffic. So it has. It's in there. Study. Because it almost included the illumination of the right term, the signalized intersection of sunset and 60 seconds. But now it's not because they see that it hasn't. So the alternative has modified quite a few times. So last time we provided this code, it included that illumination of the right turn lane on the west side. Now I see that it's to stay, so that will be coming off. So what we're seeing now is what you've recommended from a professional experience, what we should be doing one way versus another. Is that what I'm understanding? Like this is what you're guys are recommending. That would be part of the study. Without really looking at the counts, which we're going into technical analysis, I can't really recommend anything. We need to go out there, we need to look at traffic, we need to get the counts, not just regular counts, but we need to get pedestrian counts, bicycle counts. And we need to put it into our analysis and then run different models. Well, there's one way, two ways. If that's a run, you guys want to go or whether we let me know it left on the 50, was since I'm 57 or not. I was just under the impression since we're already doing a lot of different sidewalks and a lot of changes that the traffic study was already incorporated. So we've had a better feeling of what and how everything will work cohesively. That would have been my idea for a study, but you're saying it's not. No, we've looked at the capacity of the lanes, of removing lanes. We looked at the overall level of service of the quarter, not into the individual on signalized and signalized intersections at that matter. I think that's really important. Okay, colleagues, what do you want to do? Do we want to keep the study scope as proposed or do we want to reduce it and eliminate one or both intersections? Personally, I would keep the 57th, the design that they have. I would keep the left turn there of sunset. That's just my opinion. I think we're hindering patrons from not turning here and not turning there. It's like going down ponds and every other street. So you have to go to three blocks down to go all the way around. I don't know, I'm just making it more difficult for people to drive around our cities not what I see, but again, it's whatever the majority picks and I will keep 58th as is and not do the study. That's just my opinion. I'd like to address 57th court. And again, 58th court is not a priority for me just because I think we've got a I'd say let's do the study because I do want, I think it enhances the aesthetic of the corridor to have the median there, as opposed to the left turn lane, and I think to give Mr. Kiesbeth point before, there's gonna be a period of learned behavior, the learned how to get around the district when we configure the streets somewhat. And I think operation there, it's not critical to any sort of other civic infrastructure in terms of learning access. But so I would say let's do the study but remove 50th court. Just just before I know I'm already all voted that's fine but I just want to make sure you guys understand that one of the things that we wanted to incorporate with this whole structure is valet the ability to drop off I think that the walkability that we have on Sunset's really important that we don't want that many cars on-site drive. We can try to limit that as much as we can. That's where these studies really pay effect and really do something special for this area, whether it's closing off a street, whether it's directing it, which we haven't done. So that's the only, if you guys still want to focus on 73rd, that's fine. I mean, on 57th, that's fine, but that was just my thought process there. I mean, we're going to do one study, I was for no study and leave it by if we're going to do one, I mean, do both. Okay, so let's go forward with the study. I think we got two folks who want to see both intersections address. Okay. Oh, sir, but you're just something that we've discussed and it kind of raised with just a real issue today and it will continue which is two dynamics. One is you know the since COVID how much of our business rely on delivery and those drivers stopping and they stop in the middle of the street put their flashes on their blocking traffic including over by the garage, which is the dynamic that we've discussed to have potentially some spaces and deliveries. The trucks that are servicing pervaders, same thing. They have nowhere to pull off the side, stopping in the middle of the street, and it just becomes problematic. So we've had a discussion about that and how we may be able to accommodate that in some areas that they can pull over, if you will. Maybe they're designated, but it's really impacting traffic today. And so I mean, I think the solution for that is not to change the geometry of 58th Court. I mean, if anything, we can, we've got the ground level parking under the garage. We should probably just sacrifice the revenue on that and make that parking for short-term delivery. So off the alley pretty close to the corner where people are parking anyways, let them use that. We have to enforce some of this stuff until people come into compliance. But I would say we, I would say if we're going to dedicate a space, probably to dedicate those spaces and try to get them off the right way that way. But I mean, that's just my first gut thought. But I mean, I was assuming you mentioned that Mr. Manjurk, because one of the ideas of the alternative one way was to provide the loading on street, correct? Potentially some cut outs that there could be so dedicated, you know know and any of this footprint that we're looking to be mindful of this and the delivery trucks I mean obviously those are take take quite some time when they're unloading unloading and just blocking streets so we've talked about it and figure out if there's a way to accommodate these from a long-term it'll prove the flow of traffic. I applied the idea and again in a world where we had a garage with multiple access points I would agree but I just think we're in terms of the functionality garage long-term we're going to have a significant impact to accommodate that, try to solve for that problem, that particular street segment. Again, if everyone disagrees, we're studying. No, no, no, no. We'll learn. I said, we're gonna do one. We're learning, we'll learn as we go along with this study, but we'll get the information. To the manager. So this plus or minus 100,000, do we have the money for this? Or is this because we're also approved the 300,000 for the CDs. So we're looking now at additional 400 that wasn't budgeted before. No, it's coming out of that 1.9 that you had put away, right? So this will just come out of that as well? Yes, sir. Okay. Great. So last but not least, or commission salaries, I mean, I do. What's the way you get an eagle to find more money than that, sir? Respectfully. But go find me. We might pay for half the cost collectively. Last but not least, it's about the FDOT lab project. We know that you're all aware of these going on for the sunset drive on the east side. Lab projects utilize federal dollars to advance this work. And there are several challenges that we wanted to discuss today so that there's a resolution on how to move forward, one way or the other. Going forward with the lab project, would likely require to unbundle the project into two separate projects that East and the West. There is a huge administrative burden in moving forward with the lab project. The city is required to comply with the federal requirements related to procurement contracting, reporting project documentation, and it adds a lot of staff time and resources to manage the project. Additionally, the compliance with FHWA requires title you know, title six requirements, such as CEI services and so forth, which adds cost. What is CEI services? I'm sorry. Construction and inspection. Okay. You're in inspection. I guess they take longer to implement because they require additional FDOT review. Approvals, there's multiple phases of that review and so it ends up extending the timeline, the overall timeline for the project, rather than taking a standard approach. Limited flexibility because of the requirements and compliance with with federal regulations. If going with non-standard choices or treatments may delay the process or may force also changes in the design. And then, of course, any potential changes on scope or budget will actually extend even more the timeline. There's a lab certification requirement for the agency and staff also to move forward with this. So there is this money at the table. There are these challenges and moving forward with the next face of work will require to take this into account. And it's really a very important crossroads that we are in order to, to, to on bundle the project into, into separate things, you know, one track that goes through the lap, which will require those additional phases of review from FDLT, or do we move it forward as one project and we don't go through the additional required loops that this is forcing on us. Thank you, Moshikaya. Yeah, thank you. The way you stated that whole thing is you don't want us to do it again. What more importantly, you only stated the cons. Can you state what the positives are? So how much money's allocated? Is it for implementation? Is it for designs? Is it all the above? Can you give us a little bit more what the money means? So, Chip, I guess details on the lap. There's $700,000 that are at the table. Out of those $700,000, again, because of the requirement for CEI, not all of it goes specifically for the project. They, on, for construction, some of that will go towards that CEI. And it goes towards the construction. It's all construction or the inspection of construction. Yeah, see that. Yeah, through the construction. What's the compliance timeline for actually able to access money? Yeah, we had received an extension because there was still more than a five year work program. Trying to remember the date of radio? We're working smooth, get the money on the live first of 0.26, state fiscal year's budget. So what we tried to do was balance out. So we were about a year and three months out. Oh, and it's an under-reversement. So the city gets the money after it's expensive. This, sorry. So what we were trying to do was balance both, right? Take this long enough to see if we could comply with F-dutra requirements and it wouldn't impact the project and still leverage the money. And so, you know, but at this point of where we are, they are some of these issues that would impact the project in different ways, right? And you saw some of the cons. So we're still in there. What I always wanted to do was commit to FDOT and District Six that if we were not gonna take advantage of the money that we would notify them in a time of the basis, so they wouldn't end the five year work program and now have nobody I can use the money, right? So we're a little bit at that stage right now. We're, to notify them in a timely basis. So they wouldn't end the firework program, and now have nobody that can use the money, right? So we're a little bit at that stage right now where we're still in the program, but there are challenges to fulfill that requirement to leverage the $756,000 that would go to elements that are meet the requirements of the LAT program, safety enhancements, if you will. So trying to leverage and stay within the program, notwithstanding some of the challenges to leverage a 756, so it just realized that it may be something that we're not gonna be able to make work. And therefore, go that in the interest of, not having a project that has those restrictions and move freely on it. So the whole goal was, hey, can we say that if we will, but at some point we may have to jump off the train and that's the conversation we're having at this point. So how do these requirements affect the next portion of the scope of work, which is the actual development of the construction documents? Having other are there. It's after. It's the review process. So as someone who's worked and pulled permits with FDOT and done work for FDOT, they're already hard enough to deal with. If this is going to make it much more difficult, not only are we looking at, I think, the worst part about this is going to be time. We're going to get the money before we even get started on this because their review process takes, I mean, we're talking about years, especially if it's two separate projects, right? My understanding that the lab it only applies on the east side. Yeah, so now we're talking about two separate projects rather than one solid project. I would, my opinion is we keep it one project, go in and try to get this past as fast as possible because if not, this is gonna take years. And it'll be 2026 and we'll be getting that money and we won't even be close to starting construction in my opinion. But again, I just appreciate that perspective. I know that's never easy to work with a government agency. But does it change the design in any way, materially? It doesn't unless there are non-standard material choices, which we are choosing non-standard material choices are not doing concrete sidewalks. So, okay. The application of a lot of design materials and standards are non-standard to F dot, which again will trigger review and some changes potentially. Okay, but other than the material selection choices, it's pretty much. you period? It's pretty much the same process. Sorry. As far as the time it will will take little longer to do the two at the same time, just because we're constrained on the west side because of the five-foot easement. So we could say a wake from the five-foot easement negotiations and we could just begin on the east side, which is the one that has the lap, and that's the one that we're going to do.. Well, the five-footed easement negotiations with ourselves is what I'm understanding. So there's nothing to negotiate. We're just going to impose the easement on ourselves. And I mean, we have to quarry with the county whether, there's a portion that they own. I use that term loosely since we have the revert on it, but they do own. So it's basically two over the line of these that are saying we're going to impose that. So I don't know that that's is that is that really an operational concern from a design perspective? Oh, just because people have to focus in two corridors. Okay. So basically, the basically, not release a project for advertisement unless all the right away has been acquired. Okay. So that's where we could just stumble a little bit regarding schedule. Okay. Okay, so going back to the five footies, we could, I mean, we could choose to respect that setback and impose it, but it's a change the, so changes the permit is designed the permit as segment? As far as the easement goes, as far as the, as far as the release of the advertisement. The advertisement for award of the construction, award of construction? Yes, they won't be able to release a pre-construction until the easement is acquired. All those, everything on the got to be inside. And this is a workshop, so that's why we're all talking. We can leave that five foot out of the right of way and just work on the Eastman and make sure that that Eastman remains. But from a construction purposes, we can leave it out of the right of way and just pay it according to the design afterwards. Or require or require the party that's doing the the private improvement, it's actually pay if it consistent with them with the selective materials. At that point, couldn't we leave that out of the right of way? Correct. And that way we don't have to. So as far as we know from at the same standpoint that right away it's where it is today. Yes, yes, okay. Okay. Yes. The unknown is anything during review that maybe a curve that we can't anticipate at this point that then we're still me asking stupid question Are they not going to review this in middle anyways because it connects to a state highway system? So if we if we up if there's no lap grant available, are they still not reviewing the construction documents for permitting? Because it intersects with US one, they will still review. Now they may not review the full segment, but they're going to review a substantial portion of it, correct? Yeah. Because of the approach. But it may have different conditions given that the lap is a specified program and they're giving this money for it. Yeah, I mean look I my concern is can we meet can we meet that I mean so we have we have to draw down the money by the end of fiscal year 27 correct. So we have to June 30th of 2027 to complete our draw requests for the improvements on the side side? What are the conditions of the grandsters are using the money? What are the main conditions that you have to show the world in your haircut? Thank you. Oh, look at that. Then the way our very hands are styled, there's some CFO here with that. Yeah. One of the main conditions is that we have to have 60% of the plans, construction document plans by June. June of one of 2026. June of 2026. June of 2026. OK. The money is allocated to the city beginning on fiscal year, state fiscal year, 27, which is July 1 of 26. Yeah. Okay. As far as completion, I can't remember exactly what's the timeline. I know we have to have it in progress that fiscal year, fiscal year 27. Date of completion, I can't recall right now because I don't know the documents in front of me. But I know that that is one of the main things and we have to be lab certified, requires the project manager wherever there maybe How do you use to be lab certified procurement our proc chief procurement officer is lab certified already? Okay, that in itself that process is very time consuming Meaning what there's classes. It's not it's just multiple classes multiple certifications multiple just to get lab lab certified. We cannot begin to find. Can we, can we, can we, so can we, can we hire a third party contractor to serve as, as city's construction manager that is lab certified? From my understanding, no, it has to be somebody within our own agency. Okay. And, and merely having our procurement director certified is not Correct. We need the project manager, which could be Alex or director of public works or the new CIP manager. Okay. Which I believe that's one of the questions when they're interviewing is, are you lab certified? If they're already lab certified, it makes it a lot easier. Mr. Mayor, we have been communicating with FDOT and sharing project schedules and when we, the team made adjustments that has been shared. So we've been tied to them in sharing where we are more or less. And you know, up to right now, it's really an internal decision on our side whether it's something that we want to still continue moving forward or not. Colleagues, any further questions? Bushes? I mean, I have one other question. In terms of the actual. When we are procuring a contractor, are we required to. Pay Davis-Bacon wages. For this contract by words of the fact that it's federal money we're using or. What other cost impacts are there are there cost impacts that. Associated with the using this $750,000 impact at total cost to the project's execution. I will have to verify specifically on the Davis bacon. It is, oh, you said federal and lap, but I have to double check on that. Okay, so I'd like to get some of these questions answered and figure out whether we can actually get, since he's like the biggest buried entry, he's just getting staff certified. Honestly, if I want to be hearing. And then for me understanding, if there are any residual cost escalators, because we're going to procure this one time for at least half the segment and $750,000, we all know is not going to be enough to do that one half of the segment. So if it escalates our total cost by 20%, and it's only 15% of the money, I know if it's worth using the grant or not, but understanding those impacts a bit more concretely is important. Maybe we can defer any action on this particular item. If it does not affect us from a design perspective, I'd say let's go forward and release the design. We'll figure out if we can actually plug into this money when you get us those answers. Golder. Okay. Great. Okay. So in terms of next steps, we're finalizing the task for deliverables and I guess as we move forward to task five, our next steps are the survey. Of course, the traffic study, which will advance as it's been agreed and then the beginning of the cities. Hopefully on the lab situation, let's say before September, those answers could be, I guess, resolved before then. It would make the execution of the cities that process goes. Sorry. What date did you give us? Because I zone down for a second. So September, September, those answers that you were asking for before September, then that this year? So the survey takes, there's been some quotes presented, they have a timeline I think there's four months in terms of finalizing that survey so that was my thinking and thinking four months. And the traffic study's done at the same time. It will happen within that time. Yeah within that. So four months we're looking and then CDs could start. Before CDs. And I know you had it there and CDs should take colon. What are you guys projecting? The current, I think we were looking for a year. So by the summer of next year. So if we were with the lap and I think that's 6% requirement that it was referred, we would be there. Are you with approvals already? No, I'm fine. No, no, I'm not. I think it's worth mentioning again, because we mentioned it to your colleagues, that it's not that the CD's take that long is that there's a review process, and there's a waiting period for those agencies to review our work. And so while we could probably do this in a few months, we have, you know, there is a process that we need to follow in order for the reviewers to make sure that we're going in the right direction. The reviewers, which reviewers, if you don't mind me asking, sorry. My immediate downing, your TIA. Yeah, like the percentage, the 30% 60%. So, okay. Myel stones. Yeah, so you're okay,, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a year and then we start applying for reviews. So it's in the process. Okay. All right. Okay. For the comments. Well, thank you for your presentation and your assistance and with that we send a adjourn. The concept of the verse going all the way to CDs.