It allows us to sustain current levels of service and provide seed money that will be strategically to prepare for the city's future. We expect it will generate $2.3 million per year. Now we don't plan on spending $2.3 million a year, but we need to rebuild our reserves. We need to establish some priorities so we can replace equipment when it's necessary. And to make sure that we use it correctly, we're going to fund our public safety. We want to preserve recreation, library services, improve the city infrastructure. That'd be streets, curbs, gutters, some signage, perhaps, not perhaps, but some signage to help people get around in downtown and rebuild our general fund reserves. We set an expiration date for 15 years. Now I can tell you, the sales tax in and of itself is not the fantasy that's gonna fix everything. We need to have some smart growth to go with it. We need to build some houses. We need to generate some new businesses. Sales tax in and of itself is not the panacea that's going to fix everything. We need to have some smart growth to go with it. We need to build some houses. We need to generate some new businesses. We need to build some commercial properties that will enhance the revenue that we see. When you're having a hard time tying your shoes, it's really hard to go out and try to develop a viable method to recruit new businesses and encourage growth in our city. We hope that this will allow us to do some of that. What we plan to do is make sure you know what we're doing with your money. We'll produce two reports per year and host a town meeting like this. For anybody who wants to know what our money went to the past and future expenditure of those monies. So if you spend it if you approve the one and a half percent sales tax on a ten-dollar purchase it's a dollar that's a 1.5 cents or it's 15 cents excuse me. A hundred dollars it's $15. No, $1.5. So it's not anything that's really going to hurt us on a real growth process. Doesn't not include, doesn't go against your food, doesn't go against your prescriptions, doesn't go against the services that you hire for you to get what you need done. Next slide please. Marty's gonna jump in on this wherever I can't seem to answer the right question. And if I can get this out, I hate to stand behind a credenza. 48% of the sales tax will be collected from people going up and down I-5 or visiting Thunder Hill Raceway Park. So half of what we plan to get almost one point or $750,000 will be from our transient through the city on I-5. As opposed to if we went with the partial tax everybody that owns property and willows would end up having to pay it. So we didn't even discuss the partial tax. The 2.3 million dollars generated will remain entirely with the city of willows, and not a single penny would be shared with any other government. And we receive only 1% of the 7 and 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1% comes back to us. If you look at what the current sales tax rates are in other communities that have oiled at 7.75, they passed a half-sent sales tax back in 2016. I'd like to think that if we in willows had done the same thing, we would be looking at the increase that we're looking at today. That half-sent helped them get through and were able to grow and develop their business, their city, but it's not enough, so they're actually asking for another half-sit in this November election. City Williams is 8.25, City of Colusa is 875, Corning is 7.75, and you can see what they are up there. If you go to Chico, you're spending 8 and a quarter percent. So, it doesn't matter where you shop, you're still paying an increased sales tax. We hope that you'll spend that money here and that money can come back to provide the services that we all want and need. There are 482 incorporated cities in the state of California and 119 of them have some sort of sales tax measure on their ballot. 25% of our cities. So we're not alone in this process. We are all suffering from the lack of revenue because our sales tax, our property tax, and our transient occupancy tax amount to about 70% of our general fund. And it generates about 2% increase per year. But we all know what has happened with inflation and how costs have gone up. So soon City has a measure on there for raising the sales tax to 1.75%. That'll be 9%. Next slide. The 2023-24 budget, we received $6 million. We spent $6.8 and we was $757 of our $758,000 of our general reserves. In the 2425 budget that we approved, we estimate $5.8 million in revenue, which is a $250,000 decrease, but we also cut expenses in our budget by 400,000. So we're trying to do the best we can with the money that we have and save us, but we still had to use nearly $600,000 of our General Fund Reserve, which will be depleted in 2526. One of the biggest things that we're looking at is when we had our shares contract renew, we were paying $1.6 million to the sheriff to provide police services. That price is $2 million this year and ultimately it goes to $2.33 million the following year. So that's a $900,000 increase, or $700,000 increase, in just one cost. You want to add anything, Marty, to the use of our reserves? Oh, I can add to this. If you look at our reserves or our expenses in 2021, 2021 and 2021-22, the Senate received 1.3 in $1.4 million in American Rescue Plan dollars, the COVID money that the federal government distributed, that enabled us to continue through those two years, but they were suffering from over, let me put it this way, under revenue to our required expenses. So that got us through a couple of years, but that's why we are where we are today. But just also add that we didn't, the reason you see a couple of years in the previous slide of high years with high reserve is because we didn't spend the ARPA funds immediately. We just held on to them for a year or two and that kept the reserve kind of high. We had that 1.4 million and then so you can see in like 21, 22, 22, 23. I think we got our first round of ARPA funds actually in 2021 and that's where you see a real big jump. The $2 million we received two payments of $700,000 each for to make the total $1.4 million over two fiscal years for the ARPA funds. Next slide. And then the other contributing factors just to finish out the thought. Please, please, you're more familiar with the nine. The sale of city assets will be the city sold some assets for $420,000 again that was one time money, a one time sale and then there were some 320,000 that was not posted to the correct fiscal year when Andy came on board and I started in 2021. All of those monies together are what made it appear that we had a lot of money, those couple of years, to the, in the previous slide, from 2020 to 23, and then we started spending it on deferred maintenance and apparatus and equipment, and a little bit also on staffing, and so that's partly how we got here. Would you explain what the 420,000 sale of assets will? Because it'll be a question. So it's a little bit complicated, but we don't have this anymore. But PG&E and with the government had a program where you could accumulate a certain amount of credits towards undergrounding your utilities over time. And every year you would, depending on the size of the city You'd get all of these credits towards that effort. We had credits that were enough to sell because we really didn't see And this is prior to my starting with the city, but the my predecessor didn't see a a time when the council agreed when there would be enough money to underground utility lines. And so those credits were sold to another city in the state of California for $420,000. That program has now been discontinued anyways. Thank you. Next slide. As I said, 70% of the general fund comes from our sales tax, property tax, and transient occupancy tax. That's the hotel user tax. That is entirely paid by those who use the hotel, which would not be our local citizens, property tax. And the rest of the revenue comes from franchise fees. We get a franchise fee from waste management, cowl water, cable service, concast, and some other ways we can raise revenue and through permits and fees. Permits and fees, right? So most of the city's services are provided by the general fund. We can't use any other fund that's not the general fund because they are specific to what they're used. So we have to pay fire, law enforcement, park streets, recreation, library, finance, and administrative services from the general fund. That's what we're trying to bolster with sales tax revenue increase. Can we make more cuts to the city budget? We have 18 authorized employees that lose four in our fire department, six in our public works, two in finance, two in library, two in administration and our community development services too. So in one of on vacation or sick sick we have one in that department. Public works is operating with one short of an authorized employee. They're filling that in and doing an excellent job trying to keep everything mode. One thing that they have to do on a regular basis is they check the sewer list stations. They check the sewer lines and a lot of these things happen routinely that we as citizens don't even know that it's done. So for those services we actually collect some money from the sewer fund for their hourly wages and then when our attorney engages to deal with legal contracts and other items that the city has for the sewer fund. We were able to build those costs directly to the sewer fund, but we only use sewer funds money for specifically sewer fund related items. And with fewer employees, it would be very difficult to sustain a viable service that we all need and want. Next slide. Oh, somebody's fast. We don't have a police department. We are working to develop an individual to give us an assessment and determine what it would cost to reestablish a police department. Initial reports is an estimated $10 million. assessment determined what it would cost to reestablish a police department. Initial reports is an estimated $10 million. Now where that money comes from, we don't know. But we want to find out if it's even viable and what that might cost. Our city fire engine number two and our ladder truck. Our Anita replacement, one of them is 25 years old and one of them is 21 years old. I think I remember 22. They're expected life, I think are 20 years. 15 years. 15 years in full service and then 15 years in reserve. So our fire department is busy repairing and keeping the fire engine to running. And the latter truck is starting to experience some issues. The unfortunate part is if we were to order that today, they don't deliver them for three years. There's that big of a backlog. I've talked about the sheriff contract. I've talked about the usage of the sewer fund. And the state of California and the federal government's don't assist us with meeting those obligations that are required for our city. So we have to raise the money ourselves to do that. Next slide. Unfortunately, our 2% increase a year over year for revenues has not kept pace with the expenses. The minimum hourly wage in Calvary and you went from $9 in 2014 to $16. It's a 78% increase. Gallant a fuel, $4.47 is the average at 23% increase. And I don't need to go through all of those specifically, but all of those things have packed what we can do and what we have to have in order to meet the obligations. The sweet street sweeper was typically last five years. It's 11 years old. I can't believe the $300,000. That's where I get frustrated with cost of things these days. The dump truck. And these are things that are used on a regular basis that we need to be able to find a way to fund. So we're hoping that with this passage of the sales tax, the resources to start building some sort of reserve for those replacements. Next slide. So if it passes, we're going to be able to sustain high quality fire protection emergency and law enforcement services. We'll be able to increase our economic development efforts and growth. Planned to improve some city streets, maintain our parks, trees and our sidewalks, preserve library services, expand recreation. And right now our recreation is pretty weak. We have a contract individual that's making sure that we have lifeguards during the summer putting together soccer and softball and things like that so we're able to do some of that but a full-time or a hired individual to run our Recreational services would all provide better opportunities for our youth and even our adult citizens. And we'll continue with grant applications because we have some individuals in our organization that are extremely good at writing grants. Some of the things we were able to do, like with the $4 million grant we received to main upgrade Sycamore Park, thanks to Chief Monk and others that worked with him on getting that done and so that's the way we can actually get some other things done. Tuesday night at our council meeting we're talking about applying for a CDBG grant that would be used, three million dollars to be used to improve some sidewalks but we don't have that money in our general fund to do so we're applying for grants that don't require us to match. So some of these grants, you can go get $400,000, but you're going to come with $200,000. We don't have the $200,000 to match. If the measure fails, we're going to have to just cut, cut, and try to maintain. I don't like the concept of that. I don't know where anybody would be able to find a 25% cut to your household budget. In my title business, when market went in the tank in in 2008 it took me two years to be able to Reduce my overhead and I went from 13 employees to four In the city we can't do that. We still have to be able to put out fires We still have to show up on the police are there. We still have to street Sweet the streets more the wants issue permits deal with building permits and that kind of stuff. So we don't have the options to reduce staff like we would in a private sector. And our ability to repair and replace all those things that we've put on deferred maintenance, which we all know if you defer maintenance long enough, you have to replace it and that increases the costs substantially. So with that, we have a dedicated city website that has more information that's available for you to look at. It provides status of the general fund, facts that I may have not have covered, past city budgets, past city audits, and some press releases. What I hope to be able to do now is I'm going to ask my fellow council members if they'd like to speak for two, three minutes, offer their thoughts on the subject, and then we'll open this up to questions and hear everything you have to say, and hopefully we can provide sufficient answers for you. Mr. Vaden, would you like to start? Thank you, Mr. Thomas. We ran together. It's been a fun trip, hasn't it? We'll talk about a learning curve. I've written more than once in the local paper about how we approach the task with the greatest hopes, visions, naivetay, and how we learned. We learned by studying, we learned by looking, we learned by reading, we learned by asking, and we learned by looking at cities around us. And some of the things that we saw and felt at the time that we started didn't turn out to be quite right. So we acted where the data supported action. And we didn't where the data and information received from experts and specialists did not support action. So I'm happy to be here. I would say to each and every one of you and anyone who might hear and listen to this, this is a time to invest in willows. It's not a fix, it's not a band-aid, it's not a disaster, it's an opportunity. We have the chance, all of you here, to say to yourselves, yes, we don't like taxes. Sure, we don't like sales taxes, even though it has accurately pointed out, the tourists who come to Willow's and get off of the freeway and go to Wal-Mart and go into our town, and especially I guess those that go to Thunder Hill because there's over 100,000 of those people, they are the investors, they pay these bills to a very large extent, and there are communities around us that base their income streams on tourism. We actually are at Tourism City because there are a lot of people that come here to do things here and Matt Busby knows that and we know that and it's going to continue to be that way and grow. So I'm asking you to get past the little stuff. Get past the minor complaints and the worries and the concerns and what happened yesterday and last year and two years ago and look forward, look forward to a willows that you can be proud of and I hope you are anyway right now but I want you to be really proud of what you did between now and however long it takes and we can do it. I was a big proponent of the pool. I thought it was critical mass that we show you that we can do it. I was a big proponent of the pool. I thought it was critical mass that we show you that we can do something for you and your children and your seniors, anybody. That was tangible, real, and something fun and enjoyable. I'm a big believer in recreation, and we're gonna continue to support all forms of recreation. I'm a big believer in multiple, different revenue streams. If you haven't heard this yet, our problem is revenue. And if you look at the cities that are successful, that have good financial basis, and money in the bank and do things, because they can, it's based on multiple revenue streams. So I would creatively look and think about how can we do that? And I'm not a fan of fees, and I'm not a fan of taxes. But I am a fan of growing a business. And this, believe me, ladies and gentlemen, is our town. It's a business. So let's grow it. Let's get behind it. Let's get past any objections to a sales tax and move on and look forward five, ten, twenty years from now so that our kids will stay in town so that we can be talked about all over the place, about willows this, Willows that, what's unique, what's special, what look what they did and be proud of that. So I encourage you, not only to support the sales tax individually, but to go out from today and tonight and tell others, others who might have a story about why and why not. Tell them, encourage encourage them just ask them to do it. Mr. Thomas, thank you so much. Thank you. Evan, do you have anything to say? Mr. Vodin's obviously a tough one to follow. He's always a good public speaker for the- You know that don't know me. My name is Evan Hudson. I'm the current vice mayor. I own a business here in town. I live here in town. I'm raising three boys business here in town. I live here in town. I'm raising three boys here in this town. With this measure what we proposed to be was a reason for my kids to stay in Willow's to raise their families here. At our current rate there will not be the recreation. There will not be the development here for them to have a town to come back to or a place where they want to raise their kids. The goal here is to bring back our rec department to provide those essential services to have a fire department that I know is going to respond when one of them is hurt, to have those if they call 911, who's going to be there, right? Make sure we have those services. This was our fix to that. I didn't bring it with me, but I do. I have a hat and it says, unvaxed and overtaxed on it, and I wear it around proudly, okay? I am not a tax person. Why did I vote for this to be put on the ballot? A, it gives you as a people the choice to choose your future, to choose a future for my kids, for your kids, your grandkids, and that's where I'm looking at. And that's why I got on this council was to hopefully work our way that direction. With that being said, with this tax, it is local. It is staying here within our town. It's being spent here within our town. It's being spent here within our town. We do hear a lot of say of, well, the City Council is and the City Council that. Me personally, I'm not that City Council. I'm not that same City Council that has bruised the banana and made everyone not want to look at it and leave that one sitting there at the grocery store. Okay, I want to make willows the place that everyone wants to come to. I want it to grow. I want it to be better. I want it to be a place like I said where my kids want to come back to. And where you guys are proud to say, I'm from Willows and people actually recognize that town. As, oh, that's where Thunder Hills at. I heard that's a great place to go visit. Or, oh, yes, they have great hunting services there and they have wonderful hotels because we're the city of hotels really is what we are, right? We've got more hotels than anything else around here. And that's because people like to come visit here. Okay, that we're a place where people come to visit. There's other, the local towns around us, they don't have the hotels, they don't have people coming to visit. And I'd love to see that grow. The idea with the tax measure is that it is there to get us to that next stage, to get us into that economic development, to get us to hit our goals and priorities that we have set as a new city council, that we have set for the city to try and work towards. And that's our baseline, that's what we're running towards. So I just hope that everyone can hopefully get on board, make the choice that they see is gonna help the city the best and really learn to trust and come to our city council meetings and speak your piece. If you don't like something that we're doing, we're there to listen and that's what tonight's about. There's an opportunity for us to be open with you and have you give your feedback so that we can hopefully make sure we're all moving in the right direction and the best direction. So thank you guys for coming. Mayor Hansen. Thank you Rick. I agree with absolutely everything that my esteemed colleagues have said this evening everything. And when I first, when I called the meeting in order to remember, I said that Rick was going to be presenting the factual information referenced in the city's finances. What you just saw, this is the factual information. This is the absolute bottom line, honest, true, audited information, regardless of what you may or may not have heard out there in the rumor mill. Be careful, as we all know, be careful the rumor mill and social media. These are the facts. Like Evan, I was born here, born right here at Glen General Hospital. I am at least fourth generation, I think I'm fifth generation, but my kids for sure, my kids for sure are fifth generation here. Farming, egg family, I'm not going anywhere. I love this community, this county, this town. It's a great place as Evan said. We have recreational opportunities abound here, Thunder Hill hunting, you know, all my passions, right? It's a great place to live. That's why we stay here. Sure gets a little warm here, right? In the summertime, especially this past July, right? But anyway, I voted to place the sales tax measure on the ballot for very simple reasons. That is to continue and to improve delivering the core city services to the citizens of Willows that you deserve. That's adequate law enforcement, protection, fire protection, public works, services, public works, infrastructure, and recreation and library services. If this, if measure I does not pass, will those will no longer be a full service city, guaranteed, guaranteed. It's not a threat. That's a promise. It's just, the questions are going to be, where do we make the cuts? But guaranteed, there will be cuts but guaranteed there will be cuts and there will be massive cuts. We're behind the eight ball just because we're all fiscally conservative. Okay I've been on the council I was first elected to the council in 2008. No council that I've ever served on every council that I've served with including this council my colleagues my three colleagues, including this council, my colleagues. My three colleagues are here this evening. We're all all fiscally conservative. We don't like taxes, we don't like paying taxes, but unfortunately, taxes are in necessity because the services delivered at the local government level, that's why I like about local government because that's where the rubber meets the road. The core essential services, public safety, public works, infrastructure, and other services as library and recreation are all delivered locally. As Marty and Rick mentioned, there are only 18 employees in the city of Willows delivering all of those services. And we have a solid outstanding team of very dedicated professionals here working here in Willows. And they're here because they want to be here. They could they could very easily go elsewhere without even moving and make a whole lot more money, but they're here. They're dedicated and I just want to thank them for all the outstanding work that they do. And we're very we're very blessed with a solid team. But if measure I doesn't pass, there will be reduced services guaranteed. I don't want to see that. I'm sure that most of the citizens in this community don't want to see that, right? Those services like to say public safety, public infrastructure, you know, the public works infrastructure, right? I want to say public works infrastructure, what do I mean? That means that means the drainage, that means the streets, the sidewalks, the whole gamut, the whole gamut. Our streets are in terrible shape here. This measure will help improve our street condition. That's nothing new to just Willows, right? You know, roads and streets are in terrible condition all over the state of California, and Northern California because it's expensive to maintain. But that's why I voted for the measure and I'm supporting the measure. And the old adage I started to say this earlier, the old adage about that we had heard years ago when I was first on the council, because we knew we needed a sales tax measure on the ballot. But being fiscally conservative, we didn't get to that mark, right? Because we don't like taxes. Well, we're now behind the eight ball because we didn't do that. Because that's why we now have to ask for a 1.5% sales tax measure. All of the other communities in this region, as Rick pointed out, have a sales tax measure. All of the other communities in this region, as Rick pointed out, have a sales tax measure with exception of a rating who has an electric utility company. It's very successful. In Yuba City, which is one of the fastest growing cities in the state of California, okay? Every other municipality city around us in our region has a sales tax measure. As Marty I believe mentioned earlier, Orland has a half, one half cent sales tax measure dedicated for public safety public works now. They're asking their voters on this November ballot for another one half percent to bring it up to one percent. But you county right now has a one percent sales tax measure on their ballot. We all have the same issues. The one percent sales tax out of the 7.25% sales tax total that we all pay, only 1% as you know and as been outlined tonight comes back to the city of Willow's to spend that's all we have control over 1%. It's just not enough money with the rising inflation. And that's why we're asking for the vote. It's just as simple as that. Hopefully it passes so we can continue delivering services, the efficient effective core city services that you as citizens of the city will as deserve and need. So thank you very much, thank you for the time. I'm not gonna babble on any longer, but Rick, good job So thank you very much. Thank you for the time. I'm not going to babble on any longer, but to brick good job. Thank you very much. Thank you. Questions? What might you need to know? What do you not understand? Mr. Williams. I'm going to stand back here in case I may throw his rocks. I told these folks it's not my fault. First off, congratulations on your engagement. Thank you. Good for you. You know Rick one of the things you know and I would say I would vote for a sales tax in Willow's if I believe that you was spending my money or our money efficiently. You know when you was on council or when you know when I was on council with you I believe you made a statement in an open public meeting that a friend of yours told you a story that says if you watch your pennies, can you hear me at all? Okay, I can't hear it. So that's different than our system at the city council. But anyhow, if you watch your pennies, you don't have to worry about the dollars they'll follow. Watch the nickels and the dime spinners will take care of themselves. Absolutely. I said that. Yes. Okay. Well, and I'm just going to point out a few things. I know it's going to seem minor. But I didn't do my job properly as a council member because issues that I had that concern me, I think I wound up using too much decorum. I was trying to be too respectful. I probably should have been a little bit more of a bulldog and maybe things would have gotten moot. When I was on city council the very first time from 2014 to 2018, my very first council meeting was to ask for the check register to be placed on the agenda so the public could see it. The city of Orland did that. I believe that there was transparent. The first term that I was on the council, I recommended that we sell the property that sits right here. It was decided by the council at that time to sell, I recommended selling the entire portion because for you that don't aren't aware of it, this used to, the parking lots were owned by the city of Willows. We pay for the lighting and we pay for the water services and we paid for the maintenance and the liability. So that was one of the reasons I recommend selling that. We decided at that time to sell half of it. I think that we should have sold the other half. I think that has been mentioned at the pardon me. Let me get glasses on now. Seems I did remember to bring them. At one of the meetings I believe is January 24th and 2023 and I believe is check number 52805 and it was two Verizon wireless service. Me and Rick set on the finance committee. So we reviewed the envoices that you guys see the check register but you don't actually see the information that goes with the bills. So I'm going through the bills diligently and Marty can tell you, you know, I ask a lot of questions, you know, because I, when I worked in state government, my job was to order parts, account for parts. Every time I purchased an item, I had to make a notation of what it was. And every 90 days I had a sergeant that came in and did an audit. Every year I had, they had individuals come through. We don't have that same process or maybe they do now since I've been gone from the council. That was one of my biggest complaints because I would have to ask questions, what's this for? Well, on that check, the 52805, it was for like $2,200 to Verizon. So I brought it up, I pulled the item for discussion and unfortunately that was a night that we had a malfunction with our recording device. So unfortunately I can't direct you to that meeting so you can listen to yourself about what we decided. But anyhow, looking at the invoice, I found that there was a charge on there for, I believe it was $1,700 for data. We had switched from flip phones to smartphones and No one you know and I'm not and I said at the meeting. I'm not blaming staff for the error But I says you know what it was is we got charged $1,100 for like $365 megabytes of data because somebody took a picture and sent it to somebody else to show them something not a big deal, but no one even bothered to call Verizon and said, hey, could you reverse this charge? It's 300 megabytes. It should be 30 bucks. That's just one of the items that I had on there that during that meeting, it was a long meeting, you wanted to cut it short. After I said my piece, you said, are we done with this issue? And I said, yeah, fine, we're done. It's pretty obvious. That's going back to watch your pennies, and you don't have to worry about their dollars. Another issue that I found, and Marty, to her credit, gave me credit for it, is I was going through the PG&E builds and I noticed that this one build was extremely high, but I don't have solar and I'm ignorant about how the solar project works and so I asked why is this so high? Well come to find out the solar panels weren't producing anything at the wastewater treatment plant. The reason why and I know that you say this is separate, but somehow they decided or I believe that $100,000 was pulled from the wastewater treatment plant or the sewer enterprise fund and was placed into the general fund here recently. I'm the last person or we're the last people to see that invoice before it gets filed. My belief is is that we need to be more diligent on asking questions about where our money's being spent. Let's see here. Another thing is the concern me was the amount of travel costs that we had. And I asked for explanations. and I got a real brief Explanation I was told as a council member that I would get the answers like it was a public records request I don't think that that's right. I was elected to do a job. I'm not the public asking for public record information If I'm not mistaken also Initially this came out and it was supposed to be a 1% sales tax. And correct me if I'm wrong, anybody. And then all of a sudden, there was a vote, I believe it was for a spray voted no on the sales tax put on the November ballot. Next thing I know, we find out that you had to have a unanimous to have it on November, then it went up to 1.5 cents. What would have happened if we would have put it on November ballot? That wouldn't have been enough. So we've been back the next year doing this. I think we just need to have better accounting of where our money is and how it's being spent and things of that nature before you ask one and a half cents. We have the highest water rates, we have the highest sewer rates, almost the highest. I think the city of Williams is a little higher than ours because they had a screw up. But and the other issue that I wanted to point out, and it's not wrong you're saying it's right. The only thing is is that when we was trying to get measure H past and let me see here, I have notes talking about sales tax. If you buy a car, a pickup, a boat, any type of ATV, anything that goes through DMV, you're going to pay that sales tax. So this quickly, on a $40,000 car at the 1.5 sales tax, it's $600 extra on an $80,000 pick-up. It's $1200 and boats and things like that. I would vote for a sales tax, but you're going to have to prove to me that you're spending my money efficiently. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. As far as the Verizon bill you spoke about, specifically I do remember staff did call on that bill and did attempt to and spent a couple of hours of their time trying to pursue that. You were unhappy with that they stopped that process. What I recognized was dollars spent of staff time to chase dollars can be somewhat difficult. But that issue was addressed. I offer to make up for myself. I understood. The Tyler system that we just installed when you were still on the council, you agreed to purchase. The Tyler system now generates more detailed reports of finances, gives you a detail of the invoices that are paid and ultimately in the very near future. Those will be on the, in a matter of fact I think the last agenda had one on there that will give a better detail of what those accountings are. As a member of the Finance Committee, I still look at those invoices, or I still look at the expenditures. And when we have questions, we clarify that through through our Finance Director, Joanne. And we get the interest. So we make sure that we understand what those bills are for. Our 1% vote needed a unanimous vote in order to put it on the June ballot. Not the November ballot. So that's why it was not on the June ballot because we needed a unanimous vote. Mr. Sprague voted no. Does that answer your questions. Well, after we did, in your flame, how we went from the one-stand, and all of a sudden, we decided we're going to go to one and a half. With an opportunity to better understand where we are, and at the time, we did not have our contract with the sheriff. And the sheriff's contract was $1.6 million. We did not have that ironed out what that was going to be. In June, we learned that it was going to be, he asked originally $2.5 million. We negotiated it to $2 million and got it through the June of 25, 24. And it goes one more year at $2 million and it goes to $2.3 million. So it was the June recognition and settling of the sheriff's contract that jumped that much is why it went to 1.5. The rector is in June 524. June of 23. So, it was 24. It was 24 because what happened is in June of 23, we were able to get a six-month extension at 1.25, 1.28, 1 million, $280,000 through December of 23. And then we were able to, in December of 23, negotiate a further longer contract to the end of 26. And that's when we were able to get it reduced to $2 million a year, to $2 million a year, and then $2.3 million the following year. Mr. Cobb is a good guy. Mr. Williams questioned it by a burden correctly was he's concerned. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Williams question as I understand was primarily about he would support the sales tax or his concern about the sales tax was The ability for the citizens through the council and the staff to clearly and transparently understand how the money is being spent and or will be spent. So this would be a really good opportunity to know that and to share with the people, we recognize that concern. He's not the only one that's expressed it and that we, through the council and the staff, have a procedure in place to specifically address how the sales tax buddy will be spent. I give it to you. That's correct. So we will have two meetings a year that would specifically address how we spent that particular money. And it'll show up on our quarterly, I think we're talking about the finance committee is having We're writing a policy that will address the new way to review stuff specifically because Tyler accounting system gives us a much better accounting system and information about where the money is spent and how it's spent and the details of the invoices. That information will then push forward. So we have, we're adjusting and we're working on a new and Joanne Marty and I are working on a new account process for the finance committee to make sure that we're on top of the dollars and cents to make sure that we're doing it correctly And so what we specifically want to make sure that people have trust and respect for the sales tax endeavor This also includes extremely more detailed information every meeting about the accounts payable, accounts receivable, we get a report that has the vendor name, the check number, the amount of the money spent, and generally what it's for. So when we started, we didn't have that. We now have it thanks to staff and you and others. Hi, Gina Taylor. Sort of a two-part question. Number one, if assuming the sales tax passed, how quickly would we see the benefit of those funds? It would go into effect January 1st. It would be collected for the first quarter. It would go into effect January 1st. It would be collected for the first quarter. We probably would see the money May of 25. April, April of 25. And then secondly, how have there been any discussion about how those funds will be allocated amongst all the different needs within the city? And will that include labor or is this just for services, that we have to be able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are able to make sure that we are that the individual left and we did not fill that position. And we don't have a full time, or we don't have a direct director at this point in time. We'd like to bring back a direct director. We'd like to fill that additional public works position. Can you talk about how you're going to have a appeal to that applicant playing? Yeah, you can discuss this. Can I make a quick comment on that? Yeah, so there's a $1.4 million structural deficit that the city will be facing starting in the next fiscal year. So the amount of revenue that's expected from the sales tax is $2.3 million. So right out of the gate, we would be carrying our ongoing deficit of $1.4 million, which will then leave about $900,000 for General Fund Reserve, which will be like an ongoing. So would the money will start coming in and we will have to. The council will be discussing this very soon about selling some additional one-time assets and looking at a line of credit to bridge that time frame when we get a full years worth of. Because there is going to be a time when we're running on fumes. That would be correct. So, thank you. Is that all right? Sorry I was just going to add to that as far as the staffing goes we are currently closed on Fridays right now at the City Hall and we have also shut our city clerk position down to just part time so that would be part of increasing those staff levels to full time so that the city can provide those services be open on those days so we're not having to close because of short staffing. Currently right now in this in city hall if one or two employees have vacation time that they want to use which is their right. If I want to go on vacation I get to go on vacation right I shouldn't be telling somebody else if they can. So the idea is to make sure that we're at full staffing so that there is somebody there to meet the public's needs and things like that so that we're not seeing their short-changed inside the city hall or having to close it and not be able to provide those services to you guys. But as it was stated we do have a catch-up to do right if the tax passes we have catch-up to do okay right? If the tax passes, we have catch up to do. Okay, we can't make those plans, we can pretend to make those plans, but we can't make those plans and set that goal until it's tangible, right? We can plan ahead and have a five year plan, but in my short time that I've been on the city council, I've seen those five year plans, okay? They're not something that's workable. So that's where we have our goals and our priorities that we have set that are currently on the city site. And those are where we're aiming for with those monies. And that's where we're hoping to go with that. Is going based off of those goals and priorities that we have set, come together as a city council and sat there. We all have different points of view. And for us it was there too. And, you know, if you've ever watched our City Council meetings, we all definitely have our own points of view. But we all came together with our different points of view and had a direction that we all wanted to take the city. And so that's where we're planning on using if we get the sales tax to pass. Those monies is to hopefully push the city in the directions of those goals and those priorities that we've set for it. So sorry, thank you. I'm gonna sit down now. Thank you. You know, Evan, you mentioned something that made me, I want to point out a clarity. We make, our office may be closed on Friday. It does not mean that everybody's got the holiday. There are people that are working in the office trying to get things done. The difference is we don't necessarily want our leadership, the community services director, our fans director reaching to the counter because we have maybe only one person in the office during lunch. And so we may be closed during the day but we are not necessarily everybody has a holiday. We're not cutting- Most of us don't actually. Many folks are still working on Friday. We just have such a short staff. We don't have people in the office to hit the counter and address the counter. And that's why it says on the city's website as well as the front door. We will have meetings with people on Fridays by appointment so that we can make time because we are there working. You're correct. So we still have folks working on Friday. We just don't have the capacity to have the doors open and having somebody come in and interrupt. They get much more done when the office is, they're not answering the phone and reaching to the counter. More questions? Yes, see. Thank you. Yossi Lam, I live here in Willows. First of all, thank you for the opportunity to gather us together and learn more about this measure. There is a sunset date scheduled for this. How did that come about? Y-15, Y-05, Y-20. And we're just curious if the other communities, if they have, if there's a sunset clause on their sales tax increase. My theory on the sales tax sunset, I don't believe Orland has a sunset on there. Five years is not sufficient for us to rebuild our reserve, especially with the slow collection and recovery. And we have a bunch of other things to get corrected and deferred maintenance. By going to 15 years it allows us to rebuild some assets and use that money for smart growth, maybe some commercial and community development. But it also, then, sunsets because we are fiscal conservatives and we don't want to continue. If where we are 50 years from now we don't need it. We don't have to do it. Maybe we can roll it back. If we get some good housing development, it's a new commercial development, create some jobs. We may not need 1.5 percent. But this gives us an extension to 15 to help us bridge this whole gap and then it can be rolled back or stopped or voted on by you folks to continue. That's why we put a sunset clause on it because we recognize I don't like taxes anymore and the rest of us but if we can roll it back because something we have done some good things and developed more jobs, more houses, and we have more property tax and we can meet those services and we don't need the sales tax to that. Maybe we can roll back to half or three quarters. That's the goal. That's my goal. Answer the other part of your question. Most cities, a lot of cities do a tenure and then most of the time they have to go back out and when they go back out it's often for an evergreen sales tax. So with no expiration date. Is there a statutory requirement on the minimum reserve? Yes. Fund. Should be at least 25% of our annual budget. And that's statutory? Or is that your own city code? Maybe that's just, or is that your own opinion? I think it's the government finance office recommendation that you have 25%. Okay. I think as a community member and a taxpayer I think it's really would be beneficial for the City Council to have a plan for, you know, the best case scenario, the sales tax passes and how long it's going to take you showing the community a two to three year plan. This is an example of what we would we plan to do with these monies. I think that would help people be able to visualize the benefit of voting yes on it. Thank you. Doug Ross in the back. Doug you have a question. Thank you for coming over. Can you hear me? Yes. Doug Ross half the valley mirror and half a resident of Will, but I sometimes don't know which have. When? But my question more to the point is, will the financial sustainability committee continue to be sustained? It seems like an oversight entity that would be beneficial on top of the other ongoing disclosures. So the short question is, will the financial sustainability be disbanded after the outcome of the sales tax measure? The short answer is that that will be council discretion. And council hasn't taken that discussion up. Lori. with the technology and with the technology and thinking about Jeff Williams's comments, is there a way for that system to flag expenditures that might be contrary to what they have historically been? So for example the PG&E bill that was abnormally high or that Verizon charge that was out of the ordinary. To me, if there was a way that it's a very sophisticated system, it sounds like. But if it could just flag that as another catch for the human error potential, that would be kind of cool. I think that ultimately will be, but we have to start get through a few years in order for that data to be available. One of the nice things about it, and I'm looking for it, because I saw it in the Lafko meetings, they have a budget for the year, and it also quarterly shows us where they are, what they've spent during that year, because budgets and government, you might collect all the money at the end of the year but you spend all the money at the front of the year. It creates cash flow problems. But then others, you pay monthly and some you pay it all up front and you get, you know, so we're looking forward to having that kind of information on the budget in the reports that we get on a quarterly basis. So I'm excited to see what the Tyler technology is. It's been a labor of, I don't want to say love, because it's not. Any time you implement a new software system, it is very difficult to get all that information available, all the account set up. So I know that they've been working on that for, well, since they bought it. And it was approved to be purchased. The meeting of when I just got elected to the council, so it's been year and a half. To answer your question, there is not technology that could ever do that. It is a, it is, yeah, it is like a, it would be great to do that. However, there are things that are in place. So when we do upload the budget, when I'm posting documents like when I get closer to the end of the fiscal year, I do have alerts that pop up, you're close, you're close, you're over, you're over budget. So there are those things in place. However, throughout the year, what I'm implementing or going to be implementing with this fiscal year is getting directors involved with monthly reports. They will review everything, they will review all their expenditures, get back to me, we'll see if anything got misposted or incorrectly posted. This is also a way to keep everything in check and in line with, you know, peaks and valleys of things. I also review things. We've caught things and teases, caught things on water bills. So we are looking at everything. We are deep diving into everything. It's not just, I don't just have a robot sitting there processing paperwork. We've called, we've saved money on, you know, the cow water, everything else. Any sort of expenses that happen that are a little bit out of character or, yeah, any anomalies like we investigate everything. So, you know, I just want everybody to understand that we are, you know, we are looking at everything and also getting, again, like I said, the director is involved with monthly reports and quarterly reports with City Council, which means everybody back to check registers having detailed information. I found a report, so I'm able to run that again, more transparency, but your way would be the best way. If the system just did it for me, but unfortunately, we have to do that. That's Joanne, more our finance director, by the way. And real quick, I'm going to as well when we did have that finance, yours is louder than that one. Just let you know. This one's louder than that microphone. Yeah, you can over talk to people if you wanted to. Just on that point though, with the finance committee, when we did meet and discuss this, we did talk about some checks and balances that could be included in that. One of the city has already implemented is it's not the same person that's receiving the money that's signed the check and depositing the money. So they're different and Joe and can probably speak better to how this is internal controls, yes. So there are some internal controls in place and we're discussing more of those internal controls to help alleviate some of the risk or the concern of mismanagement of monies. Like I said, we're different people up here. I'm new. I am running for another four years because I believe in this city and I believe that it wants to better itself as much as I want to better it. So I don't plan on money being mismanaged. I plan on checking to make sure that our teas are crossed and our eyes are dotted in the right way. So, but just wanted to share that there are some internal controls as far as that goes. And the new Tyler system does help a lot with that. I'm LeBon. My question is, is there going to be a on your website or anything that shows the bills that you pay each month? Is that already something that happens or it's not? I know in some states that those bills that the city pays every month are published in papers. But I don't see that here, but I don't know if that's something that the city pays every month are published in papers. But I don't see that here, but I don't know if that's something that could be done or if it's posted on your website. Because the big concern is how are you going to spend your money? Everybody wants to know what you're spending it for. So if you could put out something monthly of the bills that are paid, that people could actually find. Currently the check registers are included in the monthly or the Chamber or the Council of Agenda. So if the check register shows up as an attachment to the Council of Agenda and we approve that as part of the consent calendar, and if we have questions, we can pull the consent calendar item and we can discuss what those expenses are in the check register. So yes they are on the website right now. They're in the body of an attachment to the current, the agenda for that particular week. So there's typically one in every agenda package. My name is Karen Johnson and I'm on the committees. It's kind of overlooking this thing and I started it very reluctantly. You know I didn't want to do this. I thought you know but here's the thing. I can't bitch about shit if I don't get involved right so I would hope that everybody who has something to complain about is attending our city council meetings. Is attending our, what is the one that meets on Wednesdays? Planning commission. Planning commission. Get involved, right? I got involved. I don't necessarily want to be there. I go in with an attitude. I must not, right? I can attest to that. I do. It is. But I just say, if you want to get involved, get involved. Pay attention. Look at the check registers. I'm a fraud investigator. I've got somebody right now coming $10 million of fraud, and I found it in their public agenda package. So you have the same thing we all do and I'm asking you to get involved. To have that oversight and to have the passion and that's all. Thank you, Karen. Anybody else? Yes. Hi, my name is Jan Smith and I've been in Willow since 3rd grade, 1964, a lot of people. My dad was always involved in Dick Bond. When I want to stay home, I know he's gone now, but he's saying, get over there and find out what's going on. One of my biggest beefs and one of the reasons I've been involved lately, even though I've served for 45 years in Rainbow Girls and Fire Department and this and that, is that you can't bitch if you don't know what's going on, just like you said. And I'm really weary of all of the social media negativity. And I'm looking forward, I came tonight thinking, oh, do I want to do this? And I came tonight hoping that we're moving forward. You know, the economy is half of the problem, half of our problem. It's not us. It's the economy and things are so much more expensive. But we have to make good decisions. We have to be involved. We can't sit in our butts at home and complain. And I first came a year or so ago and I think some of you remember I came to the council that day to say, what's going on? I want to know because I'm tired of negative comments at home, you know, out and about. And people saying things that aren't true. So I came to find out what is going on so that when someone says something I can say, that's not true. And if you came to find out what is going on so that when someone says something I can say that's not true and if you bother to find out what the facts are you're gonna find out that's wrong. So again I'm happy to see all of this because I'm not an accountant and I thought it was very clear and concise. I think that the 17 people running our city are doing the best that they can and they all need our help with all of our community services like the VFW and the Vibs and the Rotary. All of those clubs that used to be here had many more members and that is something that we don't have anymore. We don't have the volunteers. So we all need to be cheerleaders for our town because we are a good town. We are a good city. And I think we all wanna be better. But all this back biting and negativity has got to stop. Positive mental attitude, my great Uncle always said. So thank you for those who get on the City Council and they ask me if I wanted to be an employee. Thank you for your service and thank you for all of the employees doing the best that they can with the minutes that they have. And we all need to be behind them and helpful and go out and be cheerleaders for our city and have a better lamb derby and have a better car show which was great and put up flags on wood street and do all those things that make our community great so anyway that's my soap box. Here here. Thank you thank you hi most of you know me I'm Shirley Denning Field and I was an employee for the City of Willows for 30 years I went through three city managers three police chiefs three finance directors three public works directors I went through three city managers, three police chiefs, three finance directors, three public works directors. I went through all of them, but I do want to say that one of my main jobs was doing accounts payable and the payroll and business licenses. There was not one invoice that I ever processed without making sure that the department had signed off on it, not ever in all years that I did that. The department had, if it wasn't signed, I took it to them and made sure that they signed off on it and put the correct account numbers on there and all of that. So there was in insight, Ms. Brown, or what was your name? I'm sorry. Karen, Ms. Karen. There was insight on every single bill that came through my hands to be paid. So we had the mom system back then. I don't know what the Tyler system is like because I retired in 2012. But the mom system, it could be as detailed as we wanted it to be. But there was only so much room on that little 8 1-1-1-1 piece of paper to put descriptions of everything you were doing. I did the best I could with the mom system. I mean, it was a dots-based. Most people that came after me, I'm old. But the younger folks that came after me, they were horrified. Because they had to deal with dots. I mean, I had to train a few of them on how to use that dinosaur, which to me, I could use it with my eyes closed. It was easy to me, but it was not easy to the younger generation. So I'm happy to hear that you finally were able to get a new system. And I hope it works out great for you. But I just want to assure all of you that all the things that I had to do, there were only two of us, you know, for most of my entire career in the finance department. And we had a lot of work to do, you know, but I did a lot of different things. I didn't do the budget. I mean, in early years I did type the budget, but the finance director did all of that. So, if things were, they were as open and transparent as I could make them as far as paying all the bills and making sure they were approved by the department heads. It's all I wanted to say. Thank you, Shirley. Anyone else? Well, then what we will do is adjourn the meeting. Anyone else? Well then what we will do is adjourn the meeting. Go forth and share your thoughts on what we want to see happen in our city. Make sure those folks know that this matter is extremely important that they need to do some research and they need to make an informed decision. And you have final comments? I just wanted to say that we've brought a lot of information here tonight out at the table. We have, as we mentioned before, a website that's fully dedicated to just focusing on our finances in particular the last three years of budgets, the last three years of audits, and a lot of other financial information in recent press releases so that you don't have to go down into our regular website for the city and run through every department to try to find the documents that are the most important and salient to our current situation. And I've also got my business card out there and I would really encourage anybody who has any questions either now or after you've looked at things and information to please feel free to email me or call me either way I'd be more than happy to talk to you about our city finances and any questions you might have about Measure I. So. Mr. Vodden. Yes, thank you. We want to ask you all. you're here tonight because you care. I believe that 90% of you care and the positive and 10% of you might be those who are influenced by social media or somebody you know who has a particular act to grind. But I want you to do something more. I want you to become ambassadors for this city. And right now, I want you to become an ambassador for the passing of the major eye. Don't just go out and sit on your hands. Go out and tell people. And if you hear a story that doesn't ring true, ask them to find the facts. So you're all hired. Raise your right hand. You solemnly swear to go out and tell everybody good things about I major I, the city of Willows and the future that we're all going to build. You're hired. Yes. In my 9-5, I'm required to make data-driven decisions. And I think if the City Council can communicate that this is a data-driven decision to put this on the ballot and the numbers don't lie, people will be more likely to understand and support this measure. I think hopes and feelings don't only get you so far if we can focus on this being a data-driven decision, anyone that works in business can relate to that and I hope people with their, you know, with their home, their budgets are our own household budgets. The data doesn't lie. We know what kind of economy we are in and the need for this sales tax measure to pass to keep our city of float And I would just encourage you as a city council to do Focus on the data don't get involved with the feeling hopes and feelings and opinions because we all have one but I would just really encourage you to do so. It's the data that brought me to the decision to support this particular mission. So with that, thank you for coming. You have something else. And I just want to say, I think we talk about the sales tax and only 1% of the 7 and a quarter currently comes to the city. We'll just keep in mind on our property tax also. Only a very small amount of the property tax that gets collected currently comes to the city. Well, just keep in mind on our property tax also. Only a very small amount of the property taxes gets collected comes back to the city. So sometimes people think we have a lot of money coming in and it's much less than people think. And another thing that I stumbled across and it ties into the economy and where we are today is some of our newer apartment buildings in town have exemptions from this data California and they don't pay any property taxes. So we're providing services and we're getting no money to help offset those. And so this is just the environment that's the city, the local governments having to work in. So I think you know the grace and understanding some of those things and I think as Gina talks about data driven, that's part of the data. You know we get new buildings, we get more housing, but that housing is accommodating seniors and some of our lower income people which is awesome, but they can apply for exemptions at the state level. We then get no property tax. We're providing fire calls, you know calls for assistance and we're not getting compensated for that. So that's part of the story. Any other questions? Any other questions or comments before we adjourn? Anybody? I miss Shirley. I have one more question. Okay, I usually drive down certain roads in this town, so I really don't realize how terrible what bad shape they're all in. But my question is, I know the gas tax funds were one of the top four sources of revenue when I worked for the city. Why aren't we getting enough gas tax money? Are we just not getting enough and prices have gone up so much that we don't have enough to repair the roads? Is it prices? Is it labor? Is it? I keep telling Chuck Staley we're going to annex his gas station into the city. I think a large part of what's purchased and gas is not actually purchased in the city. I'm willing to take a quick stab at that. Wow, that was really loud. So the gas tax money, I think most people are aware, you're probably aware that it's a set allocation from the state, we don't get to negotiate it. You get a set amount, a percentage. It's a very small percentage that the city of Willows gets based on its population. We probably get between 100 and 200,000 a year. You just can't pay that much with that. I mean, that's just not very much money to pay roads with like a, I mean, you know, costs. Lassen street, let's see, Lassen street, I think we just did what, four blocks of that and that was about a three or four million dollar project. You know, a block is, can be a million dollars depending on whether you're doing curb gutter and sidewalk. So if you're just getting 150 to $200,000 a year of gas tax money, you end up doing things like slurry seal, which some of our roads need much more than just that. So it's not, it's helpful. I'm not going to give it back to the state, but it really doesn't cover enough to do the things that we need to interest in CalTrans. Sorry. Okay. Yeah. Why? Since it's a state highway. Yeah. As a member the Green County Transportation Commission along with Jim Motor CalTrans is going to be completely reconstructing the remainder of Wood Street within the city limits from the Western city limits to Kenaron and in I'm Tamistry is going to be completely reconstructed in 2026. And those engineering is going to begin soon. It's been, we've been making a lot of noise from the Transportation Commission, right Jim? A lot of noise, a lot of complaints. I've been complaining every month to Cal Transit. They're listening, they're listening and they bumped it up a couple of years actually. You know, they did some initial repairs a couple of years ago, $300,000 on the worst part you see repaved on Wood Street because it was like a ditch bank. But we're making a lot of noise including that mess at the intersection of Tehama and Wood Street. That's not city. That's not that damn city. She's my friend. It's the state. It's cal trends. They won't fix that intersection with those holes in it for some reason not until 2026 although all the noise we've been making on it but the good news is Wood Street Stuart 162 within the city limits which has not been reconstructed the east side was from a team of street to the you know just in the area the cemetery was reconstructed well all the way out to go in as you know know, a couple of years ago, did a fine job. That's going to be done within the sea limits in 2026, guaranteed, and that's great news. Any of the questions, comments before we adjourn? Anybody? Now is your time? Well, there is a signage, there's a signage study, which I met a lot of noise about and is underway now and a lighting study that's underway now. Right, exactly. Right, yeah. Yeah, they're exploring all options. And like I say, we've been making a lot of noise from the Transportation Commission. So. Right. Pedestrian safety, the signage safety, you know there are, you know it's 25 miles an hour in the school zone right. Well, Walden's a school, you notice there's no, the Cal Transit doesn't have any 25 mile on our speed limits here. Unfortunately that's as a state highway that's Cal Transit responsibility. So we're making, we have made the... It's about to play the CHP all gun to Paul CalTrans. Yeah, CalTrans, District 3 Murray's will, they'd love to hear from us. I want to see... No, it's not CHP, you know, they're just out there enforcing the laws, you're probably safety, but anyway, that is good news. So any other questions? Marty. We just give our Christians that are around the bottom of the table. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you, Jason, and your team at our Christian Center. Thank you very much. Great facility. I'm trying to be very good at this. Levant made peanut butter cookies. I didn't get one. Are there any left? Any left? Oh, thank you. Thank you, Levant. No. Hey, thanks. Thanks, everybody, for attending. And Marty and the team have little postcards. And they've got that scan me a little feature on it. It's a picture right to the website. It's a good website. It's got all the information that you saw plus more Okay, so please grab grab one of those cards scanner with your phone works great It'll take you right right to our website with all the information on there. Thank you for your interest Thank you for your comments. Thank you for your questions. Thank you for support and Let's make willows greater meeting adjourned. It's 733. Thank you. Thank you.