Thank you, everyone. Welcome to the inaugural Inspector General Advisory Board meeting. Thank you all for being here tonight. And thank you all who joined us for the welcome reception that joined that took place beforehand. Tonight's meeting is a hybrid meeting which is held in person in VIA WebEx teleconference. It's also available to the the video stream online on the county council website, where the board's awareness means a recorded stream and posted online just at disclaimer in case you have never been in a commission setting before. My name is Nick Reinhardt. I work as a legislative analyst for the county council that I'm joined by Mr. Isaiah Anderson. That will be your main points of contact going forward. Primary staff support and the like for this and future Inspector General Advisory Board meetings. Also, just want to recognize Councilwoman Debbie Young here in the audience with us. Deb and say hello. And we will now begin tonight's agenda first by allowing you all the opportunities to say hello and introduce yourselves and just a little bit about your background and why you felt compelled to serve on this advisory board. So Mr. Roshka, if you want to start with you. Yes. My name is Dennis Rashka. I've lived in the county since 1979 and raised three daughters here and have been well served by the county. I've always been committed to giving back to my community. currently the secretary on our homeowners organization, and looking for something else I could possibly contribute to. My background is the 40 years with the HUD Inspector General worked out in Kansas City doing audits and investigations out there, moved to DC and worked one way up the ranks, became the Assistant Spector General for Management and Policy. So I have a good strong business background for the IG's office. Hope I can bring that to bear. Thank you. So much, Mr. Klissenberry Steve Quizenberry I'm happy to be here. I've been in the counties since the mid 90s I'm originally from Delaware, but Howard County's been my home for a long time now my kids were born and raised here I have five children the youngest is currently playing lacrosse. I'm getting text updates from my wife My background. I'm the deputy inspector general from Baltimore County government I've been with that office almost since it was created. I was the first person hired by inspector general Kelly Madigan. So I think I have a unique perspective in the sense that I've seen an office created and I've seen a grow over the last five years and some of the pitfalls that we've encountered and some of the important traits I would look for in an inspector general to get through some of those pitfalls. Before that I was an FBI agent for 24 years I specialized in political corruption cases and fraud against government cases and before that I was an auditor with a big accounting firm that for about three years at college so I'm a CPA. That's my background I'm happy to give back to the county that's been so good to me in my family. Thank you. Stalves. Kathleen Downs, lived in Howard County since summer of 1992. My background started in economics went to financial management, including accounting, head of accounting at ATF. and a lot of financial management, including accounting at the head of the county at ATF, and a lot of financial management policy at places like IRS and as well as government life. And I just want to contribute what I've learned and what I know to this effort. I believe strongly in good governance and an IG is a big part of that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Stammer. Thank you. My name is Mitchell Stam. I go by Mitch generally. I am a Married's Full resident. I grew up in Married's Full. I live there now. So a long term hard county individual here. I am a CPA. I work in public accounting, primarily doing audits, reviews, and assurance work for both nonprofits, privately held corporations, and also quasi governmental entities. And I think I can bring a little bit different of a perspective than maybe some of the other board members just being in public accounting in that practice and looking forward to helping out with this process. Thanks. Thank you. Mr. Salem. Thank you. So my name is David Salem and I've been resident of Howard County since I think 1983. I've raised the sun here and I've spent over 34 years as a federal prosecutor helped to open the Green Belt Courthouse back in 1994, I think it was. And the spent over 34 years as a federal prosecutor helped to open the Green Belt Courthouse back in 1994 I think it was and the last maybe 15 years of my career I focused mostly on white collar cases a lot of fraud and I've given to the community as the state at large a lot of my time and effort and I'm hoping to give a little bit now to my home county. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Thank you. And Ms. Sydney. Hi, my name is Kathleen Sydney but I also go by Katie and I think that's especially important now so there's not two Kathleen's on our small board. I currently am the Assistant IG for audit at the Department of the Interior OIG. So that's national parks, a efficient wildlife, your reclamation, all the natural resources. I've been there for about three and a half years. Prior to that, I was the deputy AIG for audit, a Social Security Administration OIG. It's been a few years there. And then I spent about 10 years at a of State, OIG, so US Department of State. And then in the first few years, probably seven or eight years of my career, I was in the private sector working at a big, big accounting firms. I switched over about 2010 or 11 because I just had the strong desire to give back to our government and fight broad waste and abuse. So that's why I'm so excited to do that at the county level now. I have tried to give back to the community and I am on the board. I've girls on the run of Central Maryland and my tenure there is ending in June. So I was looking for what's next for public service and I found this and thought it would be a perfect fit so I'm really excited to be on this board. Thank you all for the introductions and we're really happy to have you all here and serving on the board and your wealth of expertise. So we're going forward to working with you all. Next we're going to move into some opening remarks. I'd like to welcome the chair of the Howard County Council. Council, Walsh, say a few words if she's ready. I'm sorry I'm late and missed the reception, but I'm so glad that I got here in time. To welcome you all, I hope that you can tell from the beaming faces behind you that we are all ecstatic about this mission that you have very graciously accepted from the county. I would say right now, you're the most important people in county government. What you're gonna do and the person you're gonna appoint, I think is gonna go so far in creating and preserving real confidence and trust in local government, not to cast a spursion on what's there now or what's to come. But I think in this day and age, it's really important, especially at the local level that people know that they can hold on to someone in government that is there for them and that they trust. And until that inspector general is appointed, again, I think you are the most important people in county government right now. And I hope that you take that charge as seriously as we do and know that you have our full support and are very best to help you get there. But I don't want to take up too much time. I'm just ecstatic. This is everyone behind us and everyone I represent on the council who's not here besides Deb with me could not be more ecstatic that we've reached this point and that you are in a position to really take action on behalf of our county citizens. So thank you so much and good luck. And maybe we never talk again, maybe. But do good. Thank you. And maybe we never talk again, maybe. But do good. Thank you. Thank you, Chair Walsh. Next. I'd like to welcome this Brandy Gans. She's the chief administrative officer for Howard County to say a few statements on behalf of the County Executive Miss Gans. Thank you. I am in speaking on myself and behalf of the county executive and we wanted to welcome each and every one of you and we want to know that we realize what an important mission you guys have and we are here to fully support and work with you on anything that you may have. I have a couple of people here from my team that I want to make sure that I introduce as well. So from IT, I have TJ Mayot. And then from procurement, I also have Dean Hoff. We realize that you guys may have some questions and some things that you want answered from us. Our HR administrator, she was not able to be here with us today. But if you guys have questions on any of those items, do you want us to take questions now? We're gonna do that later on the agenda. Okay, perfect. So yes, I just wanted to, we just wanna welcome you and say thank you and we're so happy that you are part of this board. Great, all right, thank you, Ms. Gans. Moving right along I just want to give a quick overview of the mandate that you all have as the Inspector General Advisory Board. So, as you all know, CB61-2024 was approved by the County Council, creating the Office of the Inspector General and also establishing the IG Advisory Board. And you all were charged with the following duties. First and foremost, selecting a candidate to serve as the inspector general for the four-hour county. As Ms. Gans mentioned, you'll be receiving assistance from the Human Resources Department in that task. And this is just a quote directly from the approval legislation. The advisory board shall select a candidate from a list of candidates in developing the list. The advisory board shall conduct an open search using professional search firms to solicit candidates and then that will then be to interviewing those candidates and you all making a final selection by affirmative vote of the current numbers that being a majority vote of you all as the board. Other duties, just real quick, reviewing policies and procedures of the Office of the Inspector General, make recommendations to their OIG budget, advising the County Council and the County Executive on the board's review, and investigations and other related activities and work by the OIG, and then you all would submit an annual report of your activities. That's really kind of an enough show what you all are tasked to do. I wanted to open it up to you all if you had any questions about any of that or anything else that was presented earlier. Okay. Seeing none. Next, I'll introduce what we already we already had the introduction by Miss Kanz of her staff, but we have several representatives from the administration as she mentions who are here to support the board and each will provide you with a brief description of how they will be able to assist. I'd like to welcome back Miss Kanz to give an overview of the administration unless you already kind of did that. If you have more to say, sorry. So it's not quite defined. It's really, yeah, I mean, it hasn't been defined. It's not defined in the approved legislation. But obviously, as you can tell, for some people, they feel the sooner the better. So yeah. Sorry, if you could turn on your mic. Yeah. Thank you. What is the very first step in that process for the IG selection? Like, is there a solicitation or like somebody put something out nationwide that Eric can is looking for an insurface in here? So great question. So what we will do is you will work with HR. We'll write up a job description, and then that job description will get hosted, and then we'll start to receive applications, once we get the applications, and we'll make sure that you receive all applications and the board meets and then buy the majority of the vote you guys determined who would be selected. What are the normal search engines that she's for candidates? Where do you post the jobs? So there's multiple places that we could post the job. I mean, so we do a lot through NeoGov. I know there's certain IG websites that we could post on. We also have like bladders. We also have glass door. We also have LinkedIn. Multiple places where we can post the jobs. Okay, so there are a lot of places you're used to posting jobs. Well, is anything else that we come up with? Yes, ma'am. Okay, thank you. Any other questions from Ms. Gans? Okay. Back to you to give a administration a review. Sure. Absolutely. So as I was referencing before, TJ is here from a technology standpoint. So TJ will be your greatest resource in helping with website and making sure that you have everything that you need from a technology standpoint in order to make sure that everything is functioning the way that it needs to be functioning. And then from a procurement standpoint, Dean would assist with anything you need for purchasing or if you have any questions about, you know, anything and anything to do with purchasing, he would be your resource. On you, Bennett, who is not here with us today, she's our HR administrator and she would be responsible for anything directly related to HR and that's mostly like the hiring and looking at all of the job descriptions and helping you with those pieces. So does the board have its own budget then? We're looking at mentioned purchases and stuff. We have a own budget. No, not necessarily. No, it was more of, if there's, if there's any questions for the IG with purchasing or things like that. I see. So for the first year and to, during the remainder of fiscal year 2025, the council will be supporting your budgetary need. So we don't have anything broken out specifically, but if you need supplies or miscellaneous expenses, you would work with Nick and Isaiah to get those purchases done. Any other questions for Miss Gans or Miss Herrad or Council administrator? One question. Yes sir. Just from the administrative point of view, how are we going to operate? Who would be meeting in public for all of our sessions? Or will we be getting like email accounts that we can talk with each other? How is that all work? Right, so you would use your personal email first of all for that. And as far as meeting, yes, all meetings will be open to the public. The approved legislation calls for you all to meet at least twice a year. I was telling some of you beforehand during the reception that at the beginning, you may want to meet with more frequency as the first task is to interview and select an inspector general. So those means maybe more frequent but after the IG is selected you all can then decide going forward if you want to stick to just at least twice a year or me more frequently than that. It's really up to you all. And later in this a little bit later in the session we'll have either Mr. Cook or Miss My Hill from the Office of Law that will give a quick overview of Open Meetings Act. So there are some meetings that are required to be streamed and recorded. When you are doing certain deliberations on decisions for hiring, some of those meetings would be a closed session, but we still would start an open session and then do the close session. And again, they'll give a overview of the Open Meetings Act and give more information about that. Nick and Isaiah will guide us through that process as well and getting the resources for determining when we're in open session or closed session. When we do meet somebody will obviously have to take notes and who will be responsible for that. It would likely be Mr. Anderson. I'm sorry, Nate, time you speak. You do need to have your microphone. But okay, thank you. I'm assuming we also want to do web. Yeah, thank you. I'm assuming we'd also want to do web, you know, that all our meetings would be either in person or web or all web or something just so that everybody's not. We can support that. Thank you. We certainly can support that and the board would determine, I don't think it's in the legislation, is it, is it, whether they meet in person? It doesn't specify. So we do allow hybrid meetings. And so we would still, if people are here in person, and the meetings are open to the public, so we would have a room available, which is my slightly this room, where the public could come in and view. And then whoever's here is at the table and then on the screen would be those that are joined into WebEx. Oh, we could all be WebEx and just have a move here where people could come in if they want to. Correct. Because the streaming service is controlled here in the building. So, some of us. Any other questions? Okay. Thank you, Ms. Herod and Ms. Gans. I'd like to ask if Mr. Hoff or Mr. Mayout has anything to add in regarding purchasing or technology, respectively. You want to head and go ahead and come up. Hey, good evening again. Again, my name is TJ Mann, the Chief Information Officer here at Howard County. I will just give a couple notes because we were asking some questions about the technology support that we provide. I will say your council staff is Cracker Jack and handles most of the issues that we don't have to worry about it But also with me here today is Patrick Chung who is our lead for all matters AV and behind these two folks is Patrick making sure everything's set up properly The ten out technology support is mainly on two areas one is the streaming at web x service So we support many boards across the county public gardens flag commission police Commission, Police Convally, a minimum of 12 meetings a month besides the hundreds of employee meetings that we're having. So something we're very familiar with doing. You will tell us if it's a hybrid meeting, if it's in person or how you want it set up, and we'll get a meeting set up well prior to the event and it will be launched and streamed by your council staff. We do provide one-on-one web ex tutorials or training if you feel like you need it. If you do just reach out to your staff and they'll arrange something with Patrick to make sure that you're comfortable with the platform. And for the public, I will say we've been on the web ex platform since the pandemic and our residents are very familiar with it and should you have open meetings they will be able to interact with you via the web X platform as well. Any questions on a be support before I go on. Cool. The other thing that we do for you is website support so you will have a board website where. That's a tech issue, I suppose. That happens to be all the time. Curst, website, you will have a website page. We'll handle all that for you in your meeting minutes and agendas and the schedule will be posted there as well. Again, your council staff is very familiar with our setup and they'll take care of that for you. But should there be any questions you can reach out to me directly or your council staff, and we'll make sure that it's set up. Any questions on technology support? I will say it's only that it's chosen to come work for the local government. It's great to hear you guys say that you want to support the local government and we appreciate it. All right, I'm here if you need me. DJ before you go, will you give us a list of, you know, everybody who we need to be in contact with from time to time. so we have email addresses. Yeah, we can certainly give you all after this meeting, a list of your primary Contact's administration folks that were here and you know if you have issues with XYZ who you would need to contact Thank you Thank you, Mr. Mayor Next I'd like to welcome Amanda my hill from the office of law who who's here, along with the back there, Gary Cook, who's our county solicitor. And Miss Myhill is going to give you a brief overview of the support that the Office of Law will provide to the board. This is also a brief overview of the Open Meetings Act. You'll get a more in-depth training at a later date. But now, right now, as my health is going to give us a brief presentation on the Meetings Act Public Information Act and how it pertains to this body. And you all have copies of her presentation right in front of you to follow along. And we'll also be sharing on the screen. So, as my health hell whenever you're ready. All right, well some of this was already covered, but and I thought it was going to be the quickest presentation of the meeting, but Y'all went really fast. So I'm going to talk to you a little bit about the Public Information Act as well as the Open Meetings Act. I know y'all are a little short for time so I'll try to be as quick as I can. So the open meetings act applies to a public body. This board meets the definition of public body in the state law, so you all are subject to the Open Meetings Act. So in general, the Open Meetings Act applies when a quorum, which is a majority of a board, meets to consider or transact public business. It's a very important phrase to keep in mind. The board has a membership of seven, so a quorum is four. And when meeting, the general public is entitled to attend. Therefore, this is like the most important part. A quorum of the board should never gather together to discuss board business, except at a schedule board meeting that has been properly noticed. A form of board members should not discuss board business by any other method outside of a schedule meeting such as email phone call test messages, also chat features in virtual meetings. You should just refrain from using those methods. There are items in the state law called administrative functions and when you are performing an administrative function, the Open Means Act doesn't actually apply. But an administrative function is very narrowly defined. It is the administration of a state law, a county law, or of a board's rule regulation or by law. Very importantly, it is not the consideration of future laws rules regulations or other policy matters. If you have a question about something that you were doing and whether or not it meets the definition, you can contact Nick and Isaiah and we'll work with them to determine whether or not you can actually do anything in an administrative function meeting or if it needs to be an open session. The act does allow for closed sessions, but only in specific circumstances. I think there's 15 circumstances, exceptions in the state law, and those are construed very narrowly. Some that are maybe relevant to you is to consider personnel matters, such as hiring, disciplining, demoting, terminating. Those can be considered personnel, and so those could be closed. The consult with Council to obtain legal advice or to consult with staff, consultants, or other individuals about pending or potential litigation. There are other exceptions in the act, probably not gonna be too relevant to this board, but just if you have questions or again, whatever you think you need to do in closed session, just let Nick and Isaiah know and we'll work it out and tell you whether or not you can meet in closed session. If you do have a closed session, there are very specific processes that must be followed before, during and after a closed session. For instance, you have to, as Michelle alluded to, meet an open session to vote to go into closed session. You have to make a written statement that has specified information on it. And then after the session, there are other procedures that have to be followed. And again, if you think you need to go into a closed session, just let us know and we will determine whether or not you can. Importantly, the Requirements of the Open Meetings Act don't apply to chance encounters or social gatherings of board members as long as those gatherings aren't intended to circumvent the act, and as long as you don't discuss board business. A social gathering can turn into a meeting if a quorum, a majority of your president and public business is discussed. So, for instance, you all can leave this building right now and go have dinner together, and that is fine. but if you start talking about what you're charged with, what business you have, that has become a meeting and that violates the act. So just be sure that when a majority of you are together, you're not discussing board business. When an open meeting is required, a board has to give reasonable advance notice of the time date and place of the meeting. There's a variety of methods that you can give that notice. A copy of that notice must be kept for at least three years after the date of the meeting. And Nick and Isaiah will help you to comply with this notice requirements. Before meeting boards must make available an agenda to the public. And it must contain known items of business or topics to be discussed at that meeting and indicate whether you expect any portion of the meeting to be closed. The agenda has to be made available at the same time that you provide notice to the meeting if the agenda has been determined. If it hasn't been determined at that time, then the agenda has to be made available as soon as practicable after the agenda's been determined. And again, there's a variety of ways that you can make that agenda available, but staff will help you with that. The state law requires agendas to be provided no later than 24 hours before a meeting, but by the legislation that establishes this body, the agenda has to be made available seven days before the meeting and an electronic medium available to the public. Minutes, I was already talked about at this meeting, boards have to keep written minutes of their meetings, they have to reflect each item that was considered, the action taken and how each member voted. They must generally be open to public inspection during ordinary business hours. And again, the state law requires minutes to be prepared as soon as practicable after a meeting. But the law that establishes your body requires them to be made available within two weeks and in an electronic medium. You have to keep copies of those minutes for at least five years and post them online to the extent practicable. And then I'm not going to go into all these just for a sake of time, but even if a meeting is closed, you still have to keep closed session minutes and open session minutes of that closed meeting. Each board has to designate at least one individual who is an employee officer or member of the board to receive training on the Open meetings act and you cannot meet in closed session unless the board has designated that individual. That individual has to do it within 90 days. At least one designated individual must be president at each open meeting of the board or the board has to complete a compliance checklist and nobody likes to do extra paperwork. So we recommend considering at least two people, but if not everybody. Take the training so that you know the person who has taken the training can be a specific meeting. Then you have to this. And so we recommend at least two people have that training. Violations of the Act, if the compliance board issues an opinion finding that the board violated the Open Meetings Act at the board's next meeting, a member of the board, not staff, must announce the violation and early summarize the compliance board's opinion. And then a majority has to sign a copy of the opinion and return that copy to the compliance board. There are provisions for judicial enforcement and you have them in front of you, but I won't go into them because I know y'all will be good. I've put some links and y'all can send the PowerPoint presentation out. The Attorney General has a really great Open Meanings Act website. It's got a manual that I still reference myself. And the online training I have the link here for you, I've forgotten how long it's taken. I've taken it several times. But I don't think it takes more than an hour. But it's very helpful and it's informative. And the Public Information Act, the policy behind the MPIA is that all persons are entitled to have access to the information about the affairs of government and the official acts of public officials and employees. And public records are presumptively open to inspection and copying by any member of the public for any reason. Public records must be disclosed to a requester unless an exception would allow the record to be withheld. This is very important. If you get a PIA request, records should not be destroyed after receipt of that PIA request. A public record includes all records generated by or received by a board and connection with the board's transaction of public business. It can be in any form, it can be computerized records, emails, voice mails, recordings, videos, it's anything. They include email and texts and importantly a public record can be in a private email account or on a personal phone. It's really the content of what is in that record, not where it's located, it determines whether it's a public record. For some boards, well a lot of boards, I would suggest setting up a specific email account that you can use for this board's business so that if you get a PI request it's really easy to search for them up to you but there are a limited number of exceptions that permit denial of a inspection of a record. Some of those exceptions applied to specific information within a record that can then be inspected if the information is removed and some exceptions apply to the entire record as a whole. Also important, a good rule of thumb and this is the too long didn't read version is that assume that whatever is written type door texted may be disclosed to remember the public. If board members or staff want to redact information or withhold documents, you should consult the Office of Law to determine which exception would apply in any specific case. Responding to records or requests when a request to an Inspector Record is submitted to a board, there are strict timetables in the state law that are triggered to respond to that request. And the footwork of assembling the responsive records and reviewing them before responding will be done by staff. But staff needs to be notified immediately if you receive directly a record's request. And if a staff member requests that a board member search for responsive records, please do so promptly. And again, here's another link to the AG's website on the public information again, act again if they're very helpful websites. And I know we're short of time, I try to be fast. I can take some questions now, or if you have questions, you can get them to Nick and I can answer them. So, Amanda, this formality of the public meeting is, you know, that my apologies Mr. Salem, is your microphone on? Yes. Okay, it's perfect. We got a few complaints from some people who were on virtually. If you all could just move the mic a little bit closer. Kind of about how I have mine right here. So the public meetings have some formality to them. A lot of what we'll do up front is, I mean, I would use the word administrative. We have to decide how many times we're going to meet and where and, you know, and ultimately, we get our, you know, solicitations from and all that. So just if I can ask that now, are those considered administrative meetings or those public meetings, or do we have to like, you know, put questions to you each time you wanna do something? So generally you'll get a feel for what is an administrative function and what is not. Anytime you don't want to, you're not anticipating holding an open session, I would suggest you contact us so we can make sure that you're complying with the act. The administrative function test is, it's very narrowly construed and there's also a very thin line between what is administrative and what becomes policymaking. And like one example I'll give you is if you're deciding we're meeting on Tuesday, June, whatever, that decision might be an administrative function. However, what you're going to talk about at that meeting probably is not an administrative function. So they're really what you're talking about and when you're meeting is really intertwined. And so most of the boards that I have been involved with just at the end of their meeting decide when their next meeting is going to be or they decide we're going to meet, you know, the second Wednesday of the month or what have you. So it doesn't tend to take up too much of a board's time. I hear what you're saying that, of the housekeeping matters can take up time but usually once the board has like a flow for things it doesn't usually, I mean usually everyone pulls up the calendar and decides when they can meet in the open session. Okay. Thank you. The training you're talking about is the strictly the online training is listed here. Yes. I mean, technically there's three ways in the Act to comply with the training requirement. I will be totally honest with you that if you want to know the other two, I'll have to go look them up because this is the link that I send everybody and as the training I've done myself several times. So that link will take you directly to the Approved Training online training. What kind of documentation is kept within that system that says such and such person has taken the training so that basically we're covered. So sure, we have proof that somebody in the board is taking the training. Sure. So it's been a couple of years since I've taken it, but at least as of the last time I took it at the very end, you got a nice certificate that you could print out. And then I would suggest sending that to Nick and I as they as they can keep the records for you. Thank you. You want? But really, like my Nick and they can hand out my phone number. Feel free to email call if you have any questions. All right. Thank you, Ms. Myhill. Appreciate it. Our final topic is the agenda for the next meeting and future meetings. So we've kind of talked to it a bit about this, but our final topic would involve setting a date. I think we internally decided an ideal next meeting date could be at least two weeks from now. And like I did say initially as well that there will probably be more meetings up front required for the process of selecting the inspector general. But after that, the board would only be required to meet at least twice a year. So in addition to meeting schedule, meeting timing, meeting type, I did hear earlier that hybrid meetings seems ideal, meaning like the option of being in person and in virtual. And then another option is the time, you know, we could stagger alternate between having morning and evening meetings or we could have just all evening meetings if that works for a majority of the board. Some things we wanted to discuss at next meeting, nominating and improving a chair of the board, and nominating and improving a vice chair. Some other requirements such as that, recruiting the IG and hopefully we'll, we could have Miss Bennett come to the next meeting to talk to you all more about that. And then we're intending on setting up a website to, it's like kind of a clearinghouse for all the, you know, agenda minutes, etc. for this advisory board. So we can provide more details about that. So I'd welcome any thoughts now. Any suggestions or if anyone is interested in throwing their name in for. Being chair. If not, we can hold that till the next meeting. So yeah, anything, anyone else, anyone would like to add? Okay. I get feeling there are timeline billings to be pretty short to get the IG. So I'd say a minimum would be two weeks would be my comment. Yeah, I just can't imagine being able to push it out and get any to be able to stay on track, I guess is what it's like. Okay, that's perfectly fine. And then would the board prefer evening meeting, morning meeting, I'm not sure what everyone's schedule was like. I frankly prefer something in the morning, but that's okay. We want to do the evening like we've been doing that works for me. But I'm retired. Yeah, I was going to say, I think it really breaks down to who's retired and who isn't in, who might have a day here and You know wants to spend their 549 their extra day doing this. Yeah, that's where what it Comes down to sure to me I think to um can you based on your experience give us an estimate on how long you think a standard meeting will typically take Of a board like this. I would say my experience, I think initially probably maybe between, depending on the type of the amount of topics we're discussing, I would say anywhere between one to two hours, two hours will be the most, maybe hour and a half at the most. I know, Ms. Heritith, that's, do you think that'd be accurate. I would agree. One thing I wanted to mention is just as a reminder, Ms. Myhill mentioned in her presentation that the board has to notice their meetings seven days in advance. So if we have Nick or Isaiah send out like a polling system for dates in the next couple of days if we send out a polling for Available dates because we can only have so many meanings at one given time Then you could respond on on dates that you have available in that window of us Noticing seven days in advance and making sure we have the agenda. Does that work where we send out a whole mechanism? Okay, great. Maybe I should have asked this by whole about this, but I can envision the next session. We'd want to sort of do a working session on the content of the job description, which may entail us bringing in all former copies of prior job descriptions and then cutting pasting. Can we do that at an open session or? Yes, no, that's it. You can absolutely define a job description in an open session. And we could have Ms. Bennett pull some examples as well of Inspector General job descriptions that she might have access to. But certainly bring all your resources. That's why each individual was selected based on their wealth of knowledge. But with, you know, it would be very difficult to digest all that one meat. When we get those materials out to each other prior to the meeting, and so that we're ready to discuss them once we do this. Yeah, certainly. We have our technology team has certainly set up some features for us, because Dropbox is not as secure as it has been in the past. So they've established an external share drive that we can set up for the inspector general board. Then that's through SharePoint where we would set that up and then get everybody access and then you can add and Delete doc or add and view documents that have been placed in there and we'll set timelines for when documents are due. This might help as well. I follow comment for that. Just super quick to follow up on what Michelle said, whatever you send, please send to Nick and Isaiah and then they can send it to the group because it runs the risk of the nasty reply all. And so it can accidentally get into a discussion of policy, which would then violate open meetings act. So whatever you want to send, if you just send to the staff, they can send it out to the group. I can leave this, Michael. Can we utilize the share point? Like if they're dropping stuff into share point, then that's OK, correct? Or is that not OK? Do you know what I'm asking? As long as they're not like. They're not just dropping documents. And I don't know how that works with these things. We just don't want to violate. We'll talk and get back to you, but I don't think it violates. I've been meeting talk. No, I just don't know if they have people. Yeah, we're good. We don't email one another. That's a great. All right, so if that all sounds like a plan, we'll get stuff out to you in the next few days on how we're gonna set that up and send the pull out for times that work for you all for the next meeting. And be sure to add. out to you the next few days on how we're going to set that up and send the poll out for times that work for you all for the next meeting. And we should add the idea of who needs to go to the or as an agenda item the open meetings reform. Okay, so I would suggest that anybody who can take the training should take the training. I agree with that. Yeah, it's very quick. It's like 45 minutes. It's very quick and easy. We can take your first official act. Right second that. I don't know if I need to call a vote now. So okay great. So that we'll do all that. Last thing, just another reminder, you all received financial disclosure forms to fill out from the folks on the ethics commission. It's required you do so, so if you have not done it already, please do so as I believe your deadline was the end of this month, April 30th. So thank you all in advance. Can I ask one quick, does anybody have experience chairing aboard recognition? being a vice chair of a board of commission. If you could, I'm sorry if you could turn him like son. Many years ago, Mr. Quissenberry, have you had experience chairing? I've never been on a boarder. That's why I'm asking. I don't know the Roberts rules. I would not share how all that works. Is there a specific description of what the chair and vice chair duties are as it relates to this board? The board the chairs basically facilitate the meetings and ensure there's you know decorum maintained and that everyone's allowed to speak and get appropriate time to speak. And that's really kind of their facilitator. They really are facilitator. But anybody wanna add Mr. Cook or Ms. Mayha, would you wanna add anything else? That's very brief. I think that would be helpful for some of us who've never done that before. How long are we saying? Are we saying for the entire tenure or is that a year? Typically the chair and vice chair are rotated every year. So basically, who wants to step up for doing what I'd say the hardest part of it is, which is getting the whole thing going. Does that have to somebody's in there they should be able to? Sounds like a good job for somebody who's retired. I'm happy with you. I'm saying saying. I'll be honest with you, I'm happy to throw my name in the hat for either the position just be caused but you know I just want to hear a nomination for Mr. David. I nominate David Selman to be chair. So we have a second. I second. Okay. All right so I all in favor say aye. Aye. Great. Anyone opposed? All right, all right. So I all in favor say aye I Anyone opposed All right, so mr. Salem you're the chair. Congratulations. I Nominate Kathleen Downs to be the vice chair Right, is there a second I second? Okay, so we have a nomination for miss Kathleen Downs to be the vice chair of the Inspector General Advisory Board and all in favor say hi Any opposed All right just down through the vice chair great got that out of the way. Thank you all for that Yeah, so that that eliminates one exactly yeah All right, so that being said I believe that's all I had. If unless anyone else has anything on it, I'd like to add. All right, thank you all again for attending the inaugural Inspector General Advisory Board meeting. We are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.