I'm going to try. I was telling him it's been a long time. Yeah, we'll probably fumble around a little bit. Well, you and me both. Two newbies. I've done it. This has been a while. at that senior's will try to take a minute to announce. We got the double-deaf. We ready? This has been a while. Matt, faculty members, we'll check in the minute. Who knows? We got it. We'll do. All right. We ready? At 6 o'clock, come to order. This is the regularly scheduled planning commission for Montrose County February 27, 2025. If you able to rise, please join us in the pledge of allegiance. Okay. So, what's going on? What's going on? If you are able to rise, please join us in the pledge of allegiance. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Just a reminder, if you've got electronic gadgets that make noise, turn them off, turn them down, silence them please. Everything we do tonight, that any decision we make is advisory to the Board of County Commissioners, we do not make any decisions. Okay, see what I can do here. Any decision we make will be forwarded to the County Commissioners as an advisory recommendation. So they make the final decision. They still can't hear them. I still can't? I got my back. I got my back. Swallowed my back. Really? That's it. Okay. I'll try my best here. I'll see if I can talk louder. Anyway, just want everybody to know that. We do not make final decisions here. So the 11 o'clock rule will be in force, which means we will not take any new agenda items if we run that leak. We typically don't go that late, but you never know what can happen. I just want you to know that is our rule. We do have a quorum present tonight for voting members and Buck, do you want to do? and you bet. All right, so we have Buck Andrews as a voting member. Do you got in your packet, a copy of the January minutes. There were a couple of changes to that from what we got in the mail. Is everybody had a chance to review those? Okay. Any changes or questions or concerns? I thought they looked good. If not all, accept the motion. Okay, we have a motion to accept the minutes by the judge and second by David Seymour any further discussion on the motion? I will abstain. Do the absence. Okay. Thank you. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor raise your right hand. Passes unanimously. So we got the minutes approved. Call the public. We have a set little bit of time here. If anybody has something on their mind that's not on the agenda, you can come up and speak to us about it. We will not rule on anything tonight because it has to be public notice. But if you've got an issue outside of the agenda item. Come on up. Okay. Okay, easy. Okay. Jim, am I missing a public hearing state? Or? I'll get that. Okay. I'll come with that. Do you first order of business is a public hearing, a Ranger Ranshaft, especially use, and I'll let that stand review it. Oh, I can't read it. I can't read it. Last to read it for you? Huh? We can read it for you. I can go ahead if you want to read it. Okay, this commission is appointed and served as an advisory board to the board of commissioners. Applications listed on the agenda will be heard in the order that are listed. For each application on the agenda, we'll open. The chair will open a public hearing, then state the applicant's name and the purpose of the application. Next, the staff report will be given. After the staff report, all persons will be given and opportunity for their students. We'll hear from the applicant first, and then we'll hear comments from the public. Commission members may ask questions during any of the presentations. After all public comments have been heard, I would, the chair will close the public hearing portion of the meeting, and the discussion period will follow during which the commission members may make further answer ask questions. Please identify yourself for the record by stating your name and address and interest in the application. Statements should be brief and non-repetitious and the exhibits photographs are examples presented at this meeting shall be retained by the staff as part of the file record unless specifically exempted by the chair. Thank you, Townman. You're gonna spoil us by doing it. It's my job. Anyway, I guess this Townman was gonna present this. Okay, it's ready for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The first item on the agenda is the Ranger and Shets Special Use Perman. The proposal is to allow construction of hangers and or hanger homes as well as continued access to and use of the existing historic here strip. The subject property is there are four parcels. The Ranger Ranchettes minor subdivision, which is these four lots, these three lots, excuse me. And then this lock, which is a lot more than the 2020 doing it on the adjustment board. The end, it's at the end of $1,600 for those that are from the reference. So the special use from it proposes to expand an existing airport. The expansion will not alter or expand the runway, but is proposed to add four hangers. One hanger or hanger home on each of those four lots. Special use permit areas for approximately 34 acres in size, it's zone-general agricultural and airports are allowed as a special use in the general agricultural zone of the street. The applicant indicates that the subject properties have access to the airport. However, building hangars is considered an expansion of the airport. the airport. The airport exists now as a legal non-conforming use. It's commonly referred to as a grand flood reduce, which means it's allowed to continue, but expansion alteration of the use would require the proper permits. And expansion of use includes, since the definition of an airport is the area including all runways, taxis, hangers and related facilities designed for takeoff landing storage for food. So even adding hangers is included in expansion of the airport. The airport is historic and has existed since 1985. It was determined by the department in 2018 that the use of the airport was a legal nonconforming publication of the post-use of serenity by low-density residential uses and agriculture uses. The criteria that U.S. Commission will be considering approval, approval of conditions or denial of the proposal is out on interstaff report. If you have any questions related to that, please let me know. I won't bore you by reading through that. At the time that report was given, the county had received a couple comments. Those comments are in your packet. Since then we've received additional comments from the public, which are in front of you. May, and on the past, if it's a small amount of comments, you've elected to take a recess to review. If you feel it's too large for that you may elect to continue. Certainly would be either of those certainly reasonable options. The next page I included some conditions that if the Planning Commission is to approve, may consider approving with conditions. Another item that may be considered, if you are willing to decide to approve, that was brought up by the member of the public in our office, so that it was considering a condition to the narrative doesn't speak to the sizing of the hangers. So I know I consider some expressed, well if they're allowed to build one hanger on this on the larger property, it could be fairly substantial in sizing. So they recommended the planning commission to consider limiting that size of those hangers. Anyway, if you have any questions about anything else, I think the main thing is that the special experiment shall adhere to all requirements and permit requirements of any county, state, or federal agencies. air travel, Pontius County really has no say over regulating, regulating that. However, there is a federal entity that would have say, and would have been able to force if there's any safety issues that go against their regulations. I believe that's all I have and I have to answer any questions. When would they be briefed on this, like the FAA, and they already looked at this proposal order? I don't know if they would be briefed on it. I believe it would be on a case by case basis that the FAA knows about the Zereporch work Right, this private bear's trip. And then if there's any complaints, I guess that's when they would be briefed on. Okay. I just have one more question on these lots. I see three over here. You said there is the fourth one on the other side of the runway. Yes, it is. And this one. On the west. And then this is a three-fourth line. Okay. So how do they access that? There is a drive that comes around the north and then down the side of the room. Okay. But it's from 6300 rows. Okay. I've been up to the coldest egg, not directly here. Okay. That's all I had. It has done some extreme, the driveway is here to get into and then follows their Okay. So Okay. So, Townbridge, I have some concerns. Has this proposal been looked at by the fire department or ambulance operator? Yes. Safety? Yes, they had no concerns. Because in this narrative, there specifically talks about some blind corners up there and traffic concerned around the blind corner. And I'm wondering, is that a concern to safety personnel? Are you asking about the blind corner at 6300 road? So there's a corner up towards where I believe this corner. This corner here I think is what? Is that correct, Mr. C. Moore? I believe this is the one we're talking about. As you go up the hill, there's kind of a corner here. A couple of years ago, they widened that out a little bit. I think there's been concerns that it's kind of, it hasn't stabilized as much as they wanted it to. That's been brought up to the Public Works Department and I know it's on their maintenance schedule, but from Public Works and from the fire district and the research of that call. Okay. Tell me, talk along those lines in the area that talks about a six inch water main that serves this project and You said the party apartment has given an okay they would have sufficient water to Deal with Aviation gas Crash planes there there would be sufficient delivery in case of an emergency. Yeah, they didn't, they're letter, they're response to the proposal didn't go into that sort of depth, but I would assume when they, when they respond to the proposal saying we have no concerns, I would assume that means they have enough fire suppression. The other comment I wanted to make was just for the record. I know that our packet says the location is one parcel, but as you stated earlier it's really four. So I just thought for the record we should include all four separate parcel numbers. And then my other comment at this time is in condition number six, it talks about each property owner's responsibility. When I did my free work, I noticed that we have one advocate, but there are multiple owners, and that does not constitute any problems for issuing a special use permit. Not to my knowledge, each of the owners, I believe they're only two owners. Mr. Panasa and the Anderson's and both have agreed to be a part of this. And especially use permit runs with the land right is that what our overriding role would be there correct. Okay thank you. Anybody else. I have one more question. Lighting that's I bring that up time. I realize the runway. I don't think it has the lights now, but exclusive of that. Could we on the hangars and any accessory buildings bill require down the directed lighting? I believe you could as a condition. I guess, and I might have to think about that. I guess I specifically thought of you as I was thinking of conditions because I know the lighting one does come up and it is important. The reason I did not include it is because any other detatch garage in the area, I should't say other because the detatch garage restored cars or some sort of equipment that's completely different than hanger which serves fuel or aircraft. But those aren't required to have down-directed lighting or certain lighting standards but I don't see the reason why you couldn't have that condition on there. On the hand to confer with my lead to make sure I think it can correct me. Probably wouldn't want up directed if they're landing. I mean, it couldn't be a hazard, but I think I think where we can we should require that especially use permits. So would recommend adding that lighting Our lighting requirements to the hangers as a condition Okay anybody else have any questions the staff if not is the applicant here Yes, you want to come up answer any questions we might have of you. We need your name and address please. Dan, the NASA, and we're met 1-8275-6300-Rode. Okay. 814-03. Okay. Anybody have any questions in the applicant? I know that your narrative and the county records all indicate that the runway for the airport has been there since 1985. You are not the original owner of the runway. Is that correct? No. Can you give us just a bit of history? I can. In fact, I have a little narrative that I've written if you'd like to hear it. It might take four minutes or so. Go ahead. Thank you. That'll give you a little bit of the history on now. I have no memorized this, I'm just going to read it. In the early 1980s, two local pilots, Bernie Lewis and Bill Hopkins, envisioned an air park near Montrose. Given their experience flying both commercially and privately, they're loved for this part of Colorado and they're desired to build a low-density air park that they and others could use to enjoy their passion for flight. They began their search for just the right property. They were well aware of an area southwest of town, ask the farm ground and adjacent to the LN land that would serve their purpose well. In fact, it was well known that a quaint air strip already existed there, created by, I don't know his first name, but Mr. Zahnheiser, a local sheep rancher, farmer, and a part-time pilot who as the story is told, flew up to his flocks on horse fly mesa on a regular basis. It wasn't on the same alignment that the airstrip is now, but it was a little different alignment. But he flew out of there and he owned that property a long time. The partners, Bernie and Bill, knew the property would be an ideal for them. Given the local, the locale, the level terrain, favorable prevailing winds, and the open expanse of the area, it was easy to see why Mr. Zonheiser had utilized this area himself. Their process began by acquiring patches of ground from the zon hisers as well as the biteeans and possibly others. Given the location of the property above the west canal, barren, and without irrigation water, it was likely that they didn't have much trouble convincing other property owners to sell. They reconfigured the properties into 535 acre parcels laid out and drew a runway taxi way and access easements and eventually in August of 1991 they platted and recorded the property as happy candy and arrow ranch. During the same time, they submitted an application and diligently worked with the FAA, providing the Denver office with all the necessary information that would allow them to determine that had their plans were acceptable. The airspace was available with no conflict to the typical flight patterns of the growing Montrose Regional Airport. A determination letter dated July 8, 1983, addressed to Mr. Lawrence L. Lewis, Bernie Lewis, from Mr. Nance Early FAA State Engineer, confirmed the fruits of their labor with a copy sent to the Montrose County Airport Manager. Once again that was in July 8th, 1983 in the FAA basically the approval for that airspace. The dirt air strip was soon roughed in and 6300 road was improved to a point using gravel source from the gravel spoils from the construction of the bordering west canal. grown up just down the, I was aware of the property and was eventually after moving away for a brief time after high school and returning. I noticed the net in the Montreux-Valey press that said pilots, property for sale, were Bernie's number I contacted him and eventually, in 1991, I was able to purchase one of the 35 acre tracks from Bernie in 2007. Excuse me, in 1991. I purchased the lot in 93. I built a modest home. In 2007 I was able to purchase another tractor, Jason to mine. In or around 2010 I dedicated a right-of-way to Montrose County that allowed them to secure land for any future extension of 6,300 road all the way to the BLM ground. The right-of-way dedication split these two parcels by default and created a 9 acre parcel which I eventually subdivided into what is now Ranger Ranchettes, minor subdivision. An additional 25 acre parcel was eventually acquired. That's the 2020 many boundary line adjustment. And together, these four parcels make up the entirety of my SUP request. To this day, this project area still provides the same ideal locale and conditions for flight activities as recognized by the long deceased Mr. Zonheiser and the partners Mr. Blue S and Mr. Hopkins. It is my hope that the Metro's County will approve my application and allow this endeavor to be built out to its modest completion. A piece of local history can live on. And a few hobbyists in flight enthusiasts can have an opportunity to do that. In this day and age, it would be merely impossible to recreate. Thank you. Thank you. You heard us talking about the lighting requirement. Yeah. If we put a condition in this permit to lit, I don't know if you've seen the specs in our zoning regulations, but we have down-directed lighting that's got to be shielded. You still have lighting. It's just not going up. Yeah, yeah. Would that be a problem for you? I wouldn't think so. I'm all about dark skies. Okay. I believe that the people that will be out there and without so fear, I say, anyway. As we all should have that move. I agree. Very good. Yeah, OK. You do know we have a condition in here that you wrote a narrative that explains what you want to do. I don't disagree with what you want to do, but I want you to know that there's a condition that references that And you would have to follow that and early speaking about the dark sky. No, no, you're narrative Oh, yeah, the thing little little stuff you wrote about what you want to do keep it kind of a hobby Yeah, I think yes, but there are comes commercial that wouldn't fly That's not going to help on either of the some of the see a lying thing? Yes. The there comes commercial that wouldn't fly. That's not going to help. I know that some of the complaints were talking about flight training and commercial use and whatnot. Not going to end up going to get that. I didn't. It's not the idea. It never was the idea. Okay. And Dan, along those lines, you're narrowing the use of flying too. give identifies your words were smaller craft for those of us who are not aviation experts. Could you maybe just expand on that definition? Or maybe that's the case. Yeah, I'm not a plain expert because I'm not a pilot myself, but I guess the simple answer would be single engine, moderate horsepower, planes either bush-type planes or up to I believe a Sesson 172 would be kind of a standard small plane for passenger. I can press it after. One at a time because we have to record this. Okay. Small planes, private planes up to, I'm guessing, before the six passengers probably. That's your vision. All right. We just always want to make sure that the applicant's vision and our vision that we're all on the same page. Yeah. Yeah. Small and private and light is where we're headed with this. What about life? I think you were in front of us a few years back for something. I can't remember what it was. I think Steve White was shocked that you were landing in the dark or somebody was and I thought that was kind of interesting. You don't have any lights on there? No, no there are not but I don't think it's that uncommon. A lot of the planes I think that you would see out there would be back country planes they're accustomed to that they'll land by moonlight if necessary and they do have some lighting. Right below that. Straight since I got rid of them. So yes I think they handle themselves. Okay but there's no plans for lighting. Anybody have any questions? How is air traffic control achieved in a small airport like this? In other words, if you've got multiple planes, maybe three or four, but at the same time, there's possibility that two planes would want to come in at the same time? How is every traffic control achieved? Yeah. I'll give this a shot. I could refer to my experts here, but I'll give it a shot. It's basically visual flight rules. Everyone is kind of on their own, and they have established traffic patterns where you enter the traffic pattern, you land, you take off, it all works in consistent traffic patterns, it's predetermined by the group of people that are using that. And so it's kind of just experiencing, and people just they know the patterns. I don't anticipate honestly enough. Most of the people that will be out there are obvious, although they may be awesome pilots with a lot of hours and whatnot. They also have day jobs. It's a kind of a weekend thing. I don't see a lot of heavy traffic going in and out of there, so I don't believe that there will be complications in most numerous planes. They basically just work off visual flight rules. So you mentioned something about an established pattern for entry and landing at this airport. Are those established patterns do they go all the time or is the wind a factor? Does the wind come up enough to alter established patterns? That's a good question. I don't actually know that one, but I would refer it to... Definitely would. I would think so. Yes. I know there's a men's sock out there and when the action is definitely a concern I hadn't considered that as far as the traffic pattern goes and so I can't address that personally but I certainly John or Scott could address that further if you'd like. So is fuel going to be available in this airport or is fuel kind of a... Well, I know that that's a topic of conversation with people and the insurance is the fueling. The short answer would be that most pilots fuel at the airport and they only keep the fuel that's in their plane is really the only fuel that they keep on sight to my knowledge, not to say that people couldn't store their own fuel, but according to my friend, John, who is a pilot, he typically fuels desks rounds and then he doesn't keep any extra fuel on board. I don't know, I guess my suggestion to anyone building out there that would like to keep fuel around would be a separate fireproof container just to contain those fuels. But I don't see a large amounts of fuel being out there. Certainly no more than you would have with agriculture or anything that you would use by 500,000 gallon tanks. So is there a stipulation somewhere in your application that says fuel will not be stored on site or is it kind of open into the person can store fuel to feel on it? No, there's nothing in my comments or the rules that would be against storing fuel on site as far as anyone selling fuel or providing fuel for other people that would be a no, for sure. And that could be a condition if you'd hike in a special use. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it's pretty much every person putting a cell sink for it by their own fuel. To my knowledge that you are the airport, and there's not a lot of fuel storage inside. So, one day, in the last month or so, there's been quite a bit of talk about airplane safety. I'm one accident I'm not familiar with, but I think about it, there's two airplanes, two private planes, have a mere collision down in Arizona, I believe. What is to prevent that and what? Safety precautions or what safety parameters do you have in an airport like this in case something does happen? Yeah, that's a good question. My comment on that would be I did a little bit of work myself as as you know small plane crashes I was looking particularly at Colorado where they basically recorded 70 fatalities and or not excuse me 70 Small aircraft crashes in the last ten years that's's since 2014. So compared to the 720 traffic deaths that I see on the side of town in the last year, the automobile, it appears to be a very safe recreation. Of course there is concerns and my thought would be that when you see the two small planes that crashed in Arizona, my guess would be that they are part and they probably more congested and possibly larger air park. This is relatively small. In fact, I think most air parks, you know, to make it worth their while for the developer and for people to get interested in it that I think they're typically larger than this over an eerie and over on the front range there's some air parts but they're siz sizable ventures with homes and hangers and I don't know the exact specs on those air parts but I think that's where you get into. I'm guessing that's what happened in Arizona it was probably in a park that was very congested maybe pilots that weren't and as up to date is they could be new pilots maybe. I don't honestly know. So more far as safety goes then it's all for excuse me David. The fire department you know is determined that the water's not great out there. There are a couple fire hydrants but I would have to say that the area around the report that runway itself is, as you probably, when you can find a tail from there and certainly on the site plan, is fairly clear. There are no trees, there's some sagebrush to the east side down into lower north end there, but that could be crowded back some. In general, it's pretty safe for the chance for a fire to spread. I think it's minimal. It is my intention to keep a 4000 gallon water truck, 4000 gallon tanker there available. Pat my shop, which is right there, ready to go with 4000 gallons on it at any time which I think you know that would be as much as the fire truck would bring anyway probably maybe more and I guess I don't see if there were to be a crash I think it would be an isolated incident and one airplane and with possible fatality, and that emergency would be probably more medical than fire related, just because I think the area is pretty safe. But we would certainly be willing to be ready to address That's the best we can with 4,000 gallons. He said 4,000 gallons is not available here round. When or time I assume you're talking about them? Yes. I would say so. Yes. You have a heated chump. Yes, I have a shop there that could be heated. Yes. It's a good point and I am considering that. There are several options there. There are some, there are there will be some larger hangers that I think would have a space to store that in the window. It might take into the temperature from the potential clients that I have that I think that's a possibility it could be indoors obviously frozen water track. So is a facility like this is it open or abatable to say flight for life from and grant Jackson, as far as considering being able to land and being able to access an injured person? I would certainly think so. Yes, I've seen, I don't know exactly what size planes they fly, but I have personally seen it between engine eight passenger land out there and I don't know if it was half Obviously, you ought to probably... So what you're talking now a little bit larger plane than what we were talking about. What is their size limit as to what can land at this airport? That's a good question. It was a one-time demonstration from a flight instructor that landed out there and that wasn't part of the airport. He was just demonstrating that it could be done. I don't anticipate that size of plane. Is there a limit to what size plane can access a circle? I would have to say no, as long as they feel comfortable using that air strip, the 3200 feet. I believe in general we'll be talking smaller planes because the people that I've talked to that are potential buyers out there. That's what they're using in push planes, smaller planes. So that's the trend I'm seeing but I suppose if somebody wanted to bring in a twin that an eight passenger twin or some and were comfortable landing on the the air strip. It's not written that we would be hiding. I don't honestly see that happening but it is not written. Okay. It's a private air strip and I'm using your own wrist. Okay. All right. What's it come to? You're done. And by it. Okay. Thank you. We reserve the right thing all you've got. How you doing? A question maybe for Tom. I know that we are. I noticed just tonight when I got this, it's stated that in the site land shows four hangers, right, three in the Ranger Ranchettes, one as complete on the Numen exemption, but if you'll notice I'm lazy. I also have the two future lots there on the 25 acre parcel, future lots two and three, which I have not ruled out in the long term to do a minor subdivision on that and I'm just wondering how that would be affected and how this would apply assuming that we ungranted especially use permit. How would that potentially be addressed down the road? It's a big venture for me because with the new regulation, with the new road and bridge standards, with road construction and lot-front-age and stuff, big undertaking, so I'm in no hurry to do that. But potentially, it would be something that I would consider and just kind of- You're talking about adding two additional hangers if it's split if that one lines up. Yeah, on lots of doing so, as I would interpret the specialties, their matters proposed, is that four fingers are allowed and if you were to come back after subdivision, or before subdivision and want to add a 15th, that would have to be an amendment to the specialties currently have to follow the same specialties from the permanent grant. But not out of the question, that could be really. It wouldn't be a whole new permit just an amendment to this one. Okay thank you much. When I open it up for folks that may want to speak, I only have... I got Philip Lanky here. Guys? Yeah, right here. It's hard for folks to hear here, so please keep it down except for the person speaking. It's just a big hurry for it to it. It's easier a key refer to it. It's easier in class. It's cool for somebody to pass you that. Sir, do you have a copy of the staff good hand? Oh, sure. Thank you. So, my name is Stoke Walking. My wife and I own a lot in the Scarborough overlook subdivision and then my parents, Rusty and Carolyn, a man-gold only in Jason Law. I can point it out. I went to their address in 634-34 Ranger room. I don't it out. I went to their address in 63434 Ranger Road. I don't have one yet because I don't have a house there yet. Okay, but it is. These two locks right here. The house is this here in this little. The southernmost on the southernmost. So I think the biggest thing is just some of the concerns we understand, I understand that some of this can happen right now if somebody bought the lot built a house and a hanger, that's something that would happen. And I think our biggest concerns shown here as it states here is the intent of the SUP is personal hangers without homes currently. And I think my good town will quite do one of the proposals which was to define personal hangers and what that means is that that limits it to the owner of that lot only because I think so let me go over the concerns. What is higher traffic on a runway, you know, that's meant for a private runway. More traffic means possible more conflicts. The neighborhood as you see on the second, the image there shows that our Escarpah Overlook is right on the north end of the runway completely. So if there's a north takeoff or a north landing oftentimes it will come over those houses. Dust is a big concern that we've seen out there. On the back page there's a little bit of picture. It's the best ones we have for dust when some of the planes take off. And then technology got me, it says don't want on that four-plane of concerns. Basically, we don't want a commercial application out here. We'd like to not have a hanger built that has five bays and it's rent out to different people. So that you have more traffic than what was anticipated, which was one per line or if I own two planes, that's fine, but as long as it's tied together. I think that's one of the biggest concerns. So the proposals, we have, was to find personal hangers so that it gets clear whether that's the size of the company parking spaces and the ownership of the law, the folks that own the law as well. One recommendation just for the going away, being farther away from the neighborhood is to limit the location of the hangers closer to the runway around the middle of the lots that would just be a recommendation. And then limit the number of hangers parking spaces that kind of goes into that first one. What is a is a personal hinder? So I think I think reality is that we understand things can be built out here currently and we took one to increase the intensity of that use if it all possible. It's just hopefully this S U P will just allow a hanger for some homeowner. It doesn't want to home there but once you put their hair on there. So that's essentially my picture. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Oh, I've got a Tony Hogue that wants to speak. Did you want to speak on this or the other one? No. On the on the renewable regs. On the renewable regulation. Okay, you signed the wrong sheet. Two to merits. Okay, hold on a sec. Okay, I need to just make a note of this so I can and I can't multitask very good at high age. Okay. You're up and then you're not, hold on a second, one at a time. Okay, come on up. You're on. So come on, you gotta come up here, name and address. We're recording. We're doing Charles Galli. Who? Carl Galli. and I'm a 63752 ranger road. Okay and I apparently just met one of my neighbors here because my lots are right down below is if you look at the the flight path you get lots of here. My properties here. My neighbor, my friend and neighbor, is owns this property here. And so we're surrounded by the flight path and everything. I didn't have as much to say when I came into the United as I do now just with the questions. with the mountains and plains that are out there now, it's fun to see them come over sometimes But they get to the point where they're obnoxious. It seems like they're like buzzing our houses and George, I know he wrote a letter to you guys. You probably have it there if not. I can read it to you in part of my comments. But they, they, not only are, not just, but they're, when we ask them about it, they get combative. And so it'd be cool. It'd be great to see if there's some sort of regulations that go along with how they take off and touch and go. you know everything else. I took a bunch of videos Saturday or as like 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. or they're just doing touching, it was all day long and half of them were going right over my roof. And I'm libertarian most part, I don't really care what people do with their own property, but it just seemed like they were getting a little off notions. And I'd like to preface everything with Mr. Pascis, but a great anger. He's a good guy. I don't have anything about to say about him. It's more about the regulations that go along with dark skies, light light pollution how many planes are they going to have in their hangers when you say hangers is it going to be like all the property is a hanger and then is it only owners that can fly from there or is it anybody that brings a plane there can everybody land a plane can everybody just house their plane there? Can they do like a airplane resort, so to speak? Is there gonna be any covenants? Do they have to respect their neighbors? Do they have to pay attention to where they go? Pay attention to the complaints that they have. And personally, I love the planes. I mean, when they take off, you can hear them. It's like a street rod. You know, you can hear their engine start up. You can hear them warm up. You can hear them hit the throttle. But then when it flies over your house all the time, you can say, wow, right in the middle of a NASCAR race all day long. You know, that gets a little old. And then, you know, my neighbor, George, he's got some sensory things to do on it. And so it's been torture for him. And so don't downplay his complaints, because he's a good guy, but they had to move away because of the noise. And then, as I was listening to the comments, I have questions about the flight patterns. Are there input flight patterns? Do they have safety regulations? The prevailing winds come off of the mesa and blow right to my house. So they say that The fire, the fire danger is low. And that's a sagebrush flat out there. I mean if a plane hits up there it's going in my house. Quick and so is a 24-7, do they have enough water to be there right away? The quality of life is a big thing that goes back to the swoop and over the houses all the time. And then the initial buyers, Mr. Penaça, Saints and these, you know, high hopes for what it's going to be, Is it written? Is it recorded that they're they're not gonna have bigger planes That they're not gonna have all this stuff going on because the initial buyers don't guarantee what future buyers are gonna want We like to limit the time outside of the applicant to three minutes so I hear that's all I didn't even mean to say that much But as I listen sir to that Sir, sir, sir, and we got the question sir, Mr. Calis. Yeah, question for you. You mentioned earlier in your presentation that you took some videos with a lot of Saturday or something like that. Can you tell me or explain to me how many how much aircraft was using that particular site that day? Well, that day is only two. There's two different planes and every time they take off they go... when they leave they leave one or two directions. They go after right to east or west and they'll live around and do touch and go. So it depends on the aircraft but there was two different planes and they were just going to. And I think I've seen flyers where they're doing flight lessons. And so I'd imagine they're doing flight lessons and they're teaching people how to take off and how to land. It's OK. I mean, except for Mr. Pnazza's saying it said that they weren't going to do that. They weren't going to be in flight lessons. They weren't going to do commercial type things. And so, I don't know. There just needs to be some sort of regulation on what they can do and when they can do it. Because they are flying over a lot of our houses. I mean, if you drive up there where their where their runway takes off, I mean, it's not just my house and George's property, there's probably 30, 40 houses that they're flying over all the time. And it's kind of a cool novelty for a while until they until days like they're not and then when George went up there and I'll read his message if he has life. I know you can play in it for 30 minutes but he had to leave one time because they got so bad. He went up and confronted him and then they got compatible and I know there's no rules. So it's like the wild west out there. So when your residence there, was your residence, did you move in to your residence with the knowledge that there was an airport? Now, we moved in, we built our house in 2014 and the air strip got revived in 2018, I think, yes. It's been the FAA approved since... It's been on the map, yeah. Okay, so you built your house with the knowledge of his airport there? Absolutely. Yep. Okay. And in his narrative, he says it's private use only and he will have to live with that because that will become part of the permit. And so does private use only mean that they can't do the flight training out there? if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're's why I asked him about that. Thank you. So yeah, do anything else for me? Thank you. Thank you. All right. You you. You're a good head. These folks, you've got a couple to go. You'll probably be closer to the hands. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Joe Kussard. Can you wish they are? I live at 63 and 150. Percheron Court, and I am the president of our H.A.A. that has 19 members. There's a lot of things that we don't envision, but I don't think any of you envision how the matrims airport would be as a hub for tell you right. Both commercial planes and private jets and private planes. If you decide to move ahead with this permit, we strongly feel that there needs to be a number of conditions that are in writing, not just well I don't see that happening now. That doesn't mean it's not going to happen in five years from now. It should be limited to single engine planes. This should be in writing in the permit. And no turbine engines. That it is specifically says that it's zero commercial. We don't want crop dusters in there during a certain time of the year. They're notorious for not following the requirements by the EPA with their chemicals and wash out basins and those things. And to have them come in there during that season and then leave would be very disruptive and it would be very noisy. The student pilot training is another thing that's been mentioned. Again, that's commercial, but no student pilot training. They would be doing touch-and-goes for many hours. So as the application is written now, it's very benign. But we don't know what's going to happen, and this may not be as attention today, but those things need to be in the program. Very, very important. Being, you know, recreational, occasional sounds very nice today, but it may not stay that way. Thank you. Thank you., him, and then you. If I can keep track of all. My name is Meg Jacobson. At 6309, Ridge Overlook Court. My husband and I have lived there since 2020. We've owned a lot since 20, I apologize. We've lived there since 2020. We've owned a lot since 20 or 2005. And my husband did submit some paperwork to you. This is our lot. Right here at the end of the runway. So I would like to echo several things that have already been said tonight. Yes, Saturday was really obnoxious. It went on all day long, touching those over the house. I have concerns about many of the comments that were made. If you allow this, it sounds like they have no guidelines, no rules, and we want to see this in writing and restricted as to what they can do in terms of things that have already been mentioned. No commercial, a limit on the size of the hangers, a limit on the number of planes that can fly in and out. It's our homes, we live in an area and yes, that their strip was there before that subdivision was created. But our quality of life is definitely impacted by this. And if we allow more airplanes up there, it's gonna be an even greater impact. And I'm sure none of you would like to have people flying right over your home on a regular basis. It isn't just a weekend thing, it does go on throughout the day, many times during the day, summer is worse. So it does have an impact on us. If you look at the runway, where the runway ends, right across the canal from the runway are houses start. And you got videos from the homeowner that's right across the canal. The people that use that runway currently come off of that runway right at our houses. And they don't even have the courtesy to fly between the houses which they could. The houses are spaced far enough that they could do that. They fly right over the top of your house. They are very low, it is noisy, and it is a safety concern. And I don't care if traffic deaths are far greater than airplane crashes, it does still happen, and mid-air collisions are impossibility. It certainly is something that is a concern of several of the people that live in the neighborhood. If that runway is so long and they could only use half of it for any passenger airplane, is what you said? Then why do they wait until they are right at the canal to get airborne? Because that puts them very low over our homes. They could easily use the back half of the runway and gain a significant amount of elevation before they fly over these houses and reduce, you know, some of the noise at least and possibly some of the concerns. I would like to request, when a husband would like to request that you deny the use permit, it has a serious impact on the quality of life with people who live in that area. There are already several people that use that strip and we like to see it limited to what is currently using that strip and that you we request that you denied us. Okay? Thank you. I'm going to be in John Ferguson, 183-060-300-1-0. You are the opinion of a little kid, who walks just on the opposite side of the road. Certainly, our smart dream situation now is back in true strip. We're able to be one of the friends on else's dream, but definitely to help out it by can and answer some of the questions. There's a bunch of them. The flight training comments, there's absolutely zero commercial flight training going on there. No. All right. By who? No. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. No. No. Comrade knowledge, there's no commercial flight training in the workplace. There are pilots that perform proficiency flights. They're doing pattern work. They're honing their skills. They're staying proficient in current. And that's to be expected. The manner in which those flights take place could be subject to some comments with the FAA. If some of the flights are deviating from what I would consider a standard flight, standard flights for me on the origin tan, assess and the highway. I take off either north or south. I either turn out in a 45 after the extended center line climbing. I rarely go to the east and if I do a pattern it's always to the east. I do that for a number of reasons. There's a rising terrain to the left, to the west. I try to clear the houses as much elevation as possible. I respect I'm going to do, and I do my pattern work to the right and over the canal and away from other people there. Generally very respectful. My aircraft is not a high-performance aircraft. It can get off in about midfield, but the way you're trained to fly, you stay center of light until the end of the runway and, you know, and then you make your turns. You don't do a lot of short pattern work. That happens at that runway and that's a discussion. I'm not familiar with like if you contact the FAA, would they frown on that, would they advise you? I'm not sure. There's not a regulation for that. Sorry, the nervous speaker. The blind corner coming up the hill, it doesn't matter if we build hangers or regular houses that level of traffic is not dependent on area traffic at all. So that's a different conversation. Dan talked about the fire mitigation. In addition to having a water type available, it is a sparse little veg area. We have roads around us, we have ag canals. I am there. My wife works at home. I work at home unless I am on a work trip which is rare. If any, they have it. I am going to respond. Plane sizes. Yeah. That's really dependent on pilot proficiency and aircraft capability. You're not going to see a lot of big planes, certainly not any jets, or even smaller aircraft that are really fast. They've got little tires, it's a dirt runway, they're going to dig in, they don't want to go there. It's usually the slower, the sessnet, the smalls, you know, like, hyper cubs, things like that. But it's really not limited to anything other than pilot and aircraft capability. Now that being said, you're not going to see, you know, big 12,500 bound aircraft in there, you're going to see 34,000 aircraft for maybe six passenger twins and singles. Turbo props, nobody really can afford a turbo prop up there. That's a really good $3 million plane. Could it happen? Sure, but not this guy. Fuel storage, that's a very much stored fuel. Everybody's getting their fuel or mantra of the airport. If they have any extra fuel, it's in the quantities that you would have for your garden tractor, or maybe a side by side or something like that. And in the same flammability range, it's not any more dangerous than gas. Let's see, you guys talked about the way the airport is controlled. There's the standard traffic patterns that I mentioned mentioned and that's all trained in. If they, if a pilot DBA is from that, then you might take issue with the FAA, ask them, and they can make a comment to these people. I don't know what that is like, but again, you should stay in the pattern, you should be, you know, shorting the pattern, you shouldn't disrespect your neighbors by flying over them lower than you need to, maybe because it's a hot day. You don't have a lot of aircraft performance. I'm climbing out to the North as best I can. I'm trying to avoid houses. When I'm coming into land, I'm pretty much zero-proud. So that's quite, you don't even know I'm there. So I can understand the tank obviously, the main issue. Somebody asked about the crash in Arizona. That was not an airport. That was a regular airport. The issue with that was a harbinger, a low-winger, craft, I see it. The low-winged, much faster aircraft, coming in, I believe on top of the training aircraft, which is a high-wing. So there's a visibility conflict there, plus they were much faster than the training aircraft, and so they came up right behind and they clipped them. And the person that perpetrated that was the fatality that will have got hit the cell and they were behind. The commercialers when I'm doing commercial stuff up there I don't know that anybody's gonna build a hanger up there without having a home attached to it or adjacent to it See did you have any questions? I think you had asked the board questions. I was wondering if that is the end of the day. Did you have a question earlier that didn't get answered or satisfied? I mean, I'm trying to help and I'm going to help the neighbors as well. Doing all you wouldn't let them go by? Sure. I have access to the data. Guys, let's not start. Let's not start. This by-product. I think my phone number available to the public is like, I'm eager to help. I can't question Kuwait. I'll call the public. Oh, sorry. Any offer? All right. What was there any other questions? No, you're good. You're good. Thank you for your time, I appreciate it. There was one other... Oh, okay. You're first. You're after him. Thank you for your time, I appreciate it. There was one other... Your first, your after him. My name's John Short. I am a 6-3-3-6-3 Ranger Road. I'm at the departure end of the North South Runway, going north. I've actually had aircraft do barrel rolls over my house. I've seen some of the most unsafe flying I've ever seen. I've got several thousand hours of aircraft and I've never seen people doing some of the stunts that I've seen them do. It's dangerous. It's very loud which has been brought up a number of times. I'm going to ignore the first page on my complaints. We moved into our property in 2004. There was no airstrip there in 2004. It's a place I used to walk my dogs, watch the deer, chase quail. I mean it was just a beautiful scrub area. I think it was 2015, the FAA recertified that airstrip, and I have my dates wrong. But I was never notified that that was even an issue by the FAA or the county. It just happened. That doesn't look right. I live in a, well, what is, what is, let is, see paragraph three of the special use application refers that the adjacent properties across and north of the canal are sparse residences and minor subdivisions. We have 13 watts in our place. Every one of them was built on except for one. They're all 800,000 to 1.5 million dollar homes. They're not sparse residences. There are things that people put a lot of time, effort, and money into. And the property values have plunged as a result of the air traffic that goes right over my house. I was always taught when you took off, on a takeoff, you followed the extended center line out. The extended center line doesn't go over my house. The extended center line goes between my house and Dr. Lee's house. The huge area you could go. A hundred feet is not unusual for aircraft to fly over my house. It is noisy. Even on landings I can look at my window. I know when somebody's coming in for a landing. When doing touching goes it's real obvious because they just go over and around and around and around. The dirt runway itself, there is no aircraft control. There is no radio control except for maybe within the aircraft. There's also traffic patterns for vehicles that are going to be crossing those railways, to get to some of these places they want to build. Well that's not safe. There's no rules associated with that. When I lived in Hawaii there was a military airfield and they had gates that came down, the lights that flashed if you were going to cross the runway. You just didn't do that. Well, obviously it's okay here. The dirt itself is a significant issue. One of my neighbors, a couple days ago, the wind was blowing fairly hard. You could hardly see his house. There was so much dirt blowing off of the runway onto his house. That's another issue. Are they going to water that thing down? Are they going to allow just a water truck to run up and down it and make it a mud strip instead of a dirt strip? Low flying aircraft, my neighbor to my north, has livestock. It's not a fun to watch that run when an aircraft flies low. It's not just so much noise that it scares the her livestock. That's not fair to her or to her animals. Fair graph 2 on page 2 of the stuff describes the expected usage as occasional. However, any increase in usage is going to change it and make it even more More flights going in and out of there. I'll give you another 30 seconds. Oh. Okay. It even more, more life's going in and out of there. I'll give you another 30 seconds. Oh, that's why when you're reading. You're over 30. You're over 30, but I'm kidding. But there are so many reasons that this should not be there. I'm not anti-Aviation, but I'm anti-tiless, that don't know what they're doing. Somebody's getting crashed and kill themselves. And it's going to be in my field or into my house or into my woods. And I don't want that to happen. Thank you. Good evening. Scott Anderson. I own a lot, two, one for a major airline. So safety is priority. That's the top of my list when I'm flying. And being respectful to my air, which I think would put a lot of good concerns. But I work for an airline. I'm not going to be running any schools out there. There's not going to be any commercial activity. I just need a hanger that's going to house my plank and keep it out of the elements. It's somewhere I can work on it. Keep it safe. So I can fly safe. I might have talked to the other potential buyer from a lot next to us. He works at the hospital. He has one plank, which is not a commercial instructor. She's not going to be any multi-family houses, no huge uptick and traffic. She's just me and my wife, two kids, and then other guys, a single guy. So that's it. Can I answer any questions for you guys? How much mechanical activity would you envision taking place in your hanger? Well, as a pilot, that's not a certified mechanic. I'm very limited to what I can do. So I can change tires, oil changes, things like that. But to have major components, I have to take it to an actual mechanic somewhere else. So down to the Munchmouth Airport. And I do like your idea about the lights. Okay. I'm gonna stick there on that. Mr. Andersen, I do that as much as you mentioned that you are a professional pilot. Yes. I went down and just sit and watch this last weekend at our commercial airport, just to have a better feel for the air traffic and how it moves and we sit there watching for about two hours on a, I think it was a Saturday afternoon. Very interesting. And watching all those ski flights come in and out, and in and out and and in and out, and throw in about a handful or some of private personal airplanes. It dawned on me that we don't have a tower here. No, no, no. So my question to you, can you share with us what is the communication method for an untoward error? question to you. Can you share with us what is the communication method for an untoward air space? So at Montrose Airport it's Class E so it is controlled by ATC down to a certain point. So the jets, private jets, the commercial jets are coming in. They are talking to ATC and they can see aircraft to a certain point. And then once you get close to not throwing a loan up, you switch to the local communication channel and you talk to everybody else. And so even the small guy working on his license will be on that channel and so everybody's coordinating that way. So it is basically a pilot visual? For the most part, a bunch of us also have a unicorn frequency that is run by the Black Canyon FBO. It's not called Black Canyon. What's Co? Atlantic. The ads Atlantic now. And so they give information to their rate. They're keeping track of who, who's there, where they are. And they feed that back to the other aircraft. It just felt like there was a lot of looking around that goes on trying to make sure that everybody stays out of one another's white. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's a big part of it. Well, they've got a friend on 6400 road to Fruit Park and he gets one every five minutes coming right over his house, his southwest. So there's got to be a path or well with you. Yeah, there's approaches. The approach everybody follows. Yeah, so no matter what airline or private jet, if you're coming in and the wind is a certain way, you will be assigned a certain approach into the road. So is some organization to that. Yes, very much so. And it's highly organized. It's just the frequency that we are talking to you changes once you get lower. Thank you. So you're a commercial pilot, a professional pilot. Do you feel comfortable with the access and taking off at this airport? Do you feel comfortable with the wind directions and that type of thing that are possible? Is it a user friendly airport? It is. I've only flown in to a once a couple of years ago, but as John was saying, most of the planes that fly in here are like mine. They're little two or four seater airplanes that have more than an off capability to land and take off in the distance that the runway has. Did that answer your question? I have a question for you. With it being an FAA approved air strip. Can anybody fly in and land on that airstrip? It is technically private. So you're supposed to get some sort of permission from the con. Or any of the owners, I guess. So anybody, anybody who's out training themselves or with the flight instructor from somewhere else, they'd have data, they would have to have permission to drop down and land or do a touch and go. Yes, correct. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Thank you. All right. Let me just see if there's anybody else in the public that we get everybody. All right. Well, I might go and just quickly address it up on those issues. Okay. We do have a homeless association with restrictive governments. There is no commercial anything allowed out there so I can assure you that any training that's going on it's for family use only. It's specified that there is no commercial operations. Okay, we're keeping around that. As far as the... What would you say the questionable fight maneuvers some people as of late? Well, it's not the first time that's happened, but I can tell you that it's the same people that continue to do that. And I will diligently work with that. that I can tell you that I probably shouldn't even say that. But he's on parole. And if that's if I need to go down that road, because as far as I'm concerned, what he's doing out there, one, it's totally inconsiderate, obviously. But I believe that would be beyond the scope of his parole. So if that's necessary, I can make contact with him and see what we can work out because it's really in call for their, there's no need for it. And it doesn't need to happen that way. He's a narcissist, so it might be a little bit of a work, but that's what's necessary. Okay. I've got a question. Do the covenants of your inch away set maximum size in the hanger? No, they don't. They typically go up. They're in the 5,000 foot range, but I don't think that's that uncommon for hanger people want to put their plane in there. And they also may want to put them over home in there or whatever. So do the covenants, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, the the covenants don't specify. But it's looking like got 5,000 is a pretty good number. It gets this job done for most people. I don't see that was it in your proposal for 5,000? You're just, no, I'm just saying that tends to be the trend at this point. OK. It's not included in the covenants either. other finalized and filed? Mm-hmm. Okay. Do the covenants, the covenants restrict the size of the plate. No. No. Twin engine, single engine. No. You know, lured yet. I can't say that. I can't say that. Two quick covenants. One, people with those large rear planes, they're not going to be out there. It's a dirt air strip. Nobody wants to put their two million dollar planes down a dirt air strip. It's their smaller planes. It's been, I suppose, not tires don't rock well. The other would be addressing the crossing of the runway. That's all the specified intervals and regulations of the common area and in the covenants themselves. There's been no crossing of the runway. We have an access. The only there's access around both ends of the runway. Legal access and that's what people are using. I'm not aware of any one crossing the runway and we're certainly don in time to start that. Okay. So if the bridge comes to shove and we're looking for someone who is in control of the airport, you are the person that is in control of that airport. At this point unless it gets delegated to someone maybe more qualified than me, but yes. Working with the opinions and the people that I have available, yes. So have you been elected to this position or is this a position you've ever assumed? I've assumed it because I'm a Jack Claremont, along with Canyon Newman. and we're getting the overall scope of the subdivision and all the development that's been out there. I'm a Jacklerant, so that in itself qualifies me as puts me in this position, whether I like it or not. But yes, I'm certainly willing to take it on and do everything that I can to make things really smooth and equitably and I feel like I'm out there. Okay. And Dan, do your covenants all address the commercial piece? Does it specify that there are to be no commercial operations in that minor subdivision? Are in any of this minor subdivisions there. Yes, the Covenant's specified that and I would say that it's a flight paid flight training with obviously the commercial operation. Of course it's basically open to their family members and there's going to be a certain amount of training if you want to teach a kids how to fly and there's going to be some touching those. It's a some flight training involved that it's specified that there is to be no commercial operation. Okay. Okay. I'm not on the list. I got it. I'll let you speak. Come on, Robert. I'm Jill Barton. 6365. I'm not on the list. That's all right. We'll let you speak. Come on up. I'm Jill Barton. 6365. I'm not on the list. That's all right. We'll let you speak. Come on up. Jill Barton, 63365, Ridge Eberluck. I'm the corner lot. Two areas away from the Jacobsons by this man's testimony. We've had two young boys growing up in every Saturday. We could go to yard work, but we would wait till 8 a.m. to be respectful of our neighbors. And we have planes starting at 715. There's a yellow white plane that would take off around 7 a.m. every Saturday morning and was not responsible as a pilot. Even so much so that we asked our kids if we wanted to go to the air show and they said, no, we've got this pilot who's doing crazy stuff above us. We did not feel safe and it wasn't appropriate. And my concern is if you are overseeing this pilot. You're speaking to us, not him. Excuse me, I don't know his name and I wanted wanted to be respectful. OK. Well, he can't answer you, because you've got the podium right. Yes, sir. This individual, if he's overseeing these pilots and the airport, that there is dual responsibility making sure that the area is safe for all of us. And so by his own admission, he does not have control over this narcissistic individual. and who's to say he's going to have control over those who move in that may be narcissistic in their approach to being respectful and safe with that air space. And so that is a future concern that if you are going to put this in covenants, that there are strict guidelines that if there is evidence of video footage or violation of anything that the error strip shuts down because there's got to be accountability for irresponsible driving, flying just like if I have a driver's license and I'm going 90 and a 30, I'm going to have, I'm going to have repercussions. So for me as a homeowner, where I've invested in this property and I live this dream just like this pilot is, I want to make sure that we're safe. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Did we get everybody? We got it. It's a growing crowd here. We can get new hands every day. Okay. Okay. My name is Robert Rasmussen. I'm a six, three, four, five, eight, Rachel Ruppet Court, which is across the street from Megan Paul Jacobson. Today I submitted videos to tellmage concerning a orpite on Dr. Lee's house, which is on Watt 2, of Ranger Road, and it shows many, well, there are 12 videos all of them flying over the top of Jason's 2-Head's And it's less than definitely less than 100 feet. So I encourage you to make sure that you can a chance to take a look at the videos there. And as well as another set of videos who were provided relative to the progression of the airport. In the history of video, it showed what the Landsat provided back to 1985 and 1993, then transitioned to a new satellite, which made it really legible. And you could compare the Apache green blobs on Landsat to what they had run away runway actually looked like at that time. From 1993 on through gel 2019 was the last one that showed that there had been work on the runway, well that's because the FAA had approved in mid-20th-2015, at least it was time period to love runway and tell selling the op on it. So in 2019 it shows a complete runway from the BLA land all the way to the West Canal. Prior to that point in time it showed a dirt patch with lines that no activity, disrepair, disuse. I encourage you to look at the videos. Take a look and get a sense of what we live with every day in terms of overflights, noise, and what we've expected not to have, and that's an extra that's continuing to fly over and over. Make this. Gentlemen gets his way. There'll be more flights because there'll be more aircraft, more congestive. You can only expect to see more complaints. Thank you. Thank you. Do I see one? Okay. Right over there in the street. I'm Russell Madgold, I'm in 63434 Ranger Road. Just adjacent to the west canal, I can get the the Ranger Road, it's color of sand. And I've noticed most of them, everything what everybody has said, previous to me, which I grew up right along with. One thing I would like for the homeowners association, and the area of work to do, is to make it a necessary thing that they improved the dust situation coming off of the airport especially in March when the winds are blowing 40 miles an hour up there and they take the roof off your house It looks like you can't see the runways, but they're just, you have to fly in. And this does happen whenever they're touching gold. Which, you know, it can't be prevented, but the runways are just dirt runways. So they need to do some improvement of putting a topic on them. Or I don't know if I can do our roads. Something to prevent the reoccurrence of death. That's all I have to say. Okay, thank you. All right, where are we at? Anybody else before I bring it back to the commission? OK. Mr. Murphy, I may interrupt. I just need to make a record. I'm only a newman. I'm an assistant county attorney, and I do represent the county. I do happen to live in a neighborhood nearby, in fact, one of my H.O.A. presidents spoke earlier. I would like to make it part of the record that I was not aware of this proposal until today and that I would be covering this meeting and I was not aware of my H.O.A. taking any position as to this proposal. I've not participated in any vote regarding whether the H.O.A. would take a position. So I just wanted to be clear that my professional standing has not overlapped with any statement you might have heard today. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Is there any further discussion amongst the board? What do you want to do with this? My summary on it is we've got, I can see a few additional conditions to address some of the concerns, but my bigger issue is that we have quite a bit of public comment that we have not had a chance to look at yet. I think my personal opinion is we need time to do that. The question is do you want to take a recess and do it here or do you want to, if we propose to, do you want to come back up to the podium, Mr. Penhance, a real quick? Something we could do, which I think would be fair to everybody, or more fair to everybody, would be to continue this to the next month. And it would be the first thing on the agenda to give us time to take a look at it. I guess some of the comments better what we have and just come up with a better package on this. But we'd like your concurrence to to do that if we so decide I haven't made the choice yet. That's an option. I think that's your priority. I have a mission. Okay. Yeah. I want it. I want to be thorough. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. So that is an option with the applicants concurred. So, okay, thank you. All right, so that is an option with the applicants So Dennis I got I got a question This strip is over Gov. By the This this strip is gov. By the FAA. right? That said with the other comments here, have there been any complaints lies from the FAA were they involved in any commentary back and forth about this project? Not that I know of. I haven't been in touch with the FAA. I spoke with Boyle, who leaves the director of the Monteries Regional Air Force. He isn't a representative of the FAA at all. But he recommended that any concerns with breaking any FAA regulations or that those individuals that see that or have evidence of that approach and have to contact that FAA with that So no, I have them here in the touch room. Okay, thanks. Thank you. All right. Tell me, maybe just a refresher, being as we do have an audience here tonight, when we grant, especially use permit, I know when I read the documents, it always says, you know, the county commissioners always have the right to withdraw that special use permit for violation. Could you talk just a little bit briefly about how a violation on a special use permit would be handled? Sure, under the administration, we are complaint driven department. So, again, in your scenario, this specialise permit has been approved. Theoretically, the specialise permit is approved. It's subject to the conditions of approval that the Board County Commissioners approve it by. And those for the public, those are outlined on the staff report. There's eight right now. Mr. Chair, you offered up a ninth. And then based on public comment, I could certainly see a reasonable three or four added on to that. So, I made notes. and one of those, I guess I'll read that one. Probably the most important and the one that actually adds teeth to the special needs permit. States approval of this permit does not limit the Board of County commissioners' power to terminate this permit if there is a finding of noncompliance with provisions of this permit zoning regulations conditions or other laws of the county state or federal government. So, again, for the public, it's in the applicant slash owner of these properties best interest to adhere to all conditions because I will assume they're seeking permanent approval they would be lasting and want to do is if they could spruve haven't been re-bought. So yes there certainly is teeth but I think this is following it could exactly what special needs to earn its own design for is the public expressed their concerns the planning commission and the board kind of commission's recognize those concerns and refine the conditions add conditions to to mitigate those Where possible and where and if there is a certain concern that cannot beicated, that's one difficult, the board will deny it. So if there's unsafe activity going out there that's, if you notice to the FAA, if it's against FAA regulations and there is a violation of FAA regulation, the new federal regulation, the rule. Well, also if they think it shut down the strip, I don't know what a bill is they have, I would imagine that some silhouettes. Okay, thanks. Okay, I close, I'm not gonna start calling. No, we've had one round, we're not gonna go back and go out of the office. Floor is closed. I'm not going to start calling. We've had one around. We're not going to go back and forth. Floor is closed. Where do we want to go with this? I think. Okay, and I agree with you. I think the addition of some additional conditions, talk about it a little more, make sure the narrative and the town in Chaz all meet together. So I would be in favor of letting us read the additional information that we've received, fine-tuning conditions, and bringing it back next month. Okay. That was a wee problem. We need to probably let's do this. Let's do this. We were talking conditions a second ago. I think some of us have taken some notes on that. The conditions I had was size of hanger damage. I think 5,000 feet was what the applicant proposed. The lighting on the hangers. The fuel on site. I think a small amount is okay, but no, what could you say, commercial amounts are. We can work some kind of, the 4,000 gallons of fire flow water, and something I liked at least discuss is if there could be a contact person available at the airport or that public could contact or something like that contact person with issues. The last thing would be if it's possible to put a magcloor on that every year. That's a gas mitigation. Yeah, that's a gas. For gas. That's everything I got. I killed the bomb. That's amazing. We're usually. Yeah. Okay. And Mr. Chair, if you were or whoever from the commission is. Sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. If the commission does choose to continue, I'd recommend clarifying or adding a clarification in the motion whether the public comment is open to a certain date closed. Regardless of if it's closed today or open, there will be an opportunity for public comment at the Board of County Commission's meeting. But it's obviously your prerogative if you want to keep it open to the next meeting. Right. The one thing I want to avoid is to get another stack at the next meeting Newlands because that's why we're continuing tonight because we haven't had a chance to look at these so So I would recommend that we do not have additional public comment in the next meeting. And unless there's new information, as well, that there's no information. One of the better internet time. In writing? Yeah. In writing. You could submit it in writing, but it's going to have to be in the... So, Mr. Chair, what's happened in the past in the next meeting, again, if you choose to continue. The next meeting is March 27th. We prepared those packets on the 19th. So if you were to choose a date to leave the public comment area open, we'd probably look at this 18th probably. Give you enough time. I'm not gonna go before it. I'm sorry, there's hands popping up all over and if I start that, it's gonna go great. Nice work, it's there enough work. Anyway, okay, so what will all of it do I was gonna make the motion craft that? That's March 15th for written comments Yeah, you want to go for it Mr. Chair I move to continue the Ranger Ranchette special use permit to the March 2025 meeting um In light of that in tonight's input. I would move to close oral public comment, but we will accept written public comment prior to the preparation of the packets and it must be received by planning and development by March 18th. And further include the instruction to staff to craft additional conditions regarding the size of hangers, contact person information at the airfield, lighting requirements, address stored fuel, and lastly, desk control. Okay, we have a motion and a second. on a Kin Kinsey made the motion. Clifford died second and did. Any further discussion on the motion? All right, all in favor of the motion. Raise your hand. Hold the pose. Okay, pass it unanimously. So just to be sure if I made the, I just want to apologize to that meeting is March 27th here and it'll be a start at six feet. Yep. Yep. Same time. Okay. Thank you all for coming. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank while. Right. Right. Right. You guys want to break before we... I'm good, you're all right. Whatever you want to do, you're the look like when you're just clearing the room first. Well, I think we were going to do a straight check. I'm not anxious. There you go, go. Take your van. Take your van. Yeah. Take your van. Yeah the van. You never thought you'd take it. You like it. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. No. No. Just be careful. Just be careful. I think so. I think we're the same. I think so. I I'm sorry. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. We're going to go to the girls' land. Yes. I'm so excited. Oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you. Great. and just like there is. So I think it's a good question. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Goodbye. Bye. I'm going to have to ask the staff to come and get the car and the gear. So I think it's going to be a good time for them to come and get the car. We just heard that you wanted to meet up with a few of the students. So I don't think we need to talk to each other. We still have to talk to do that, but thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. We'll be back tomorrow. Okay, it's okay. Thank you. I was trying to be a child. I was trying to be a child. I was trying to be a child. I was trying to be a child. Well, I think that would be a lot. There are at least a lot of people. There are at least a lot of people. It's better if you want a little story. Yeah, I don't. Well, yeah, I can assume did. Well, yeah, I guess you did. I guess you did. I guess you did. I guess you did. I guess you did. Folks, you got it. we're gonna we got other items to do here. We're not done yet. We're done with you guys. How can I get? Yeah. I just talked to the television. There's, we have come after this renewal. We can shuffle the menu and drop that down to the last item. So if somebody wants to make a motion to it. I'm fighting. Okay. Actually, I want to do that again. I'm sorry. I just felt the cheering. Okay. Done with this. I. Done with this. Okay. Done with this. Okay. Done with this. Okay. Done with this. Okay. Done with this. Okay. Done to resume. We have a modification that we want to make to the agenda. We have three more items and one could take a substantial amount of time and the other two don't appear to be quite so time demanding. So we're gonna propose to move the renewable energy regs to the bottom of the later, shouldn't take too long, but we have two subdivisions we'd like to do before that. So if somebody wants to make a decision. Mr. Chairman, I would move to a mandate agenda for the evening and move items number three and number four a head of item number two. Okay. Second and buck seconds it. I'll second. Buck already got it. All right. We have a motion we have a second to modify the agenda. Many further discussion. All in favor raise your hand. Looks like we have unanimous. Okay. So that will be number three would be the two-steevon subdivision preliminary plan. Tell me. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The two students subdivision preliminary plan is a proposal for a re-subdivision to divide a 13 acre lot into two lots. The property is highlighted on the screen as on 64.95 road. and then you have to propose a divide to clear the tiniest relapse. Two logs, one not mean three and a half acres and size and one of the nine and three coldies of maximum. So typically two logs are done in a minor subdivision. In this case, it's a major since it's a resubdivision that was already divided. The difference in this case, from typical major subdivisions are the internal road, the road that was built to service a subdivision is already there. So that road can count towards the road frontage for these two lots. I don't know how to pull So if you're flat here, where's the problem is flat? I don't know. I don it up. So here is the log 2, which is currently vacant. Access will be up here to the north side of the south side of the north section of the property. And then log 1 currently already has a home on the property. Obviously both roads here have direct access onto 6495 road. I guess it's also worth noting that if the original subdivision was proposed to include this lot, it could have been done back then. If the original subdivision for the entirety of the subdivision, including this one, was proposed today. It could also be done and be subdivision regulations. The required, there was obviously no road construction, but the required drawings and plans and reports were reviewed by utility companies in our Public Works Department, and it was identified that no utilities, no infrastructure was required to supply one additional amount to the sub-nation. Steph, I believe we had one question from the public, but no comments submitted and those questions were related to how this would play into HOA. So unrelated to subdivisions or your decision. So staff would recommend approval of the facts that it does mean subdivisions and legal board health regulations. So tell me it's on the map I have, I don't see 6490 or 6495 road delineated is this subject is in the only occupancy south of the M&D Canal at this point, or there are mean the rest of the subdivision has residents there. Okay, so do they, it says there's a ditch road here. Are people using the ditch road to access their property? No. The applicant can speak to that, I think, but the access is directly off 6495 onto the subject property. So they're not using any easement to get. And that's a county road. 6495 is a county road. Well, I'm still confused. Where is 6495 road end? So 6495 road ends up as cold as I can. You know the bend and range of road that comes around here? Oh yeah, it comes over the canal. And then bends right up the hill to right. Right, right. If you remember that. Right on that curve is the entrance to 6495 and then the subject property is blue it's right there on the corner and then it wraps around all the way to the end at the cul-de-sac. This is the end of 6490. Okay. Okay. I had to see. So, I have clearance things up a little bit. I remember this area from a slightly years ago, a couple years back because I remember about having to construct that new road and I know the commissioners went out and looked at it and it went along the story. I do remember this. My question is at what point does not two? Where is its access of 6495? At what point does not two? Where is its access of 6495? It's up there in the corner. It's on that tip. You can see a drive right there. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so the man we have at one point. Yeah, it's right here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It would be. It would go all the way around. We heard it. We had 64, 95 road on the map. Right. Well. Yeah, that maps in a bit the bed I mean it's hard to see but yeah okay so I'm doing that um okay tell me I'm your analysis in number three last sentence says there's a number of building sites on lot two are viable. Does that mean we may see more subdivision of lot two? I don't know of any clients to further subdued by a lot too. The road frontage would be tricky to further subdued by, but that's not on the table today. Okay. And if it were to be... But if it potentially is, is that correct? Could happen to it, not tonight. Not tonight, no. But haven't had to leave. Okay. All right. Any more questions for staff? If not applicant, you want to come up and clear up any missed perceptions we have of it? Gary Stevens, 1-8-8-7-664. And that would be fine. Okay. Okay. 814-03. and I'll may I answer Lanna's question right off the top? According to President County regulations, lot two could not be further subdivided because of frontage. So that's a non-starter. Thank you. I was hoping for clarification on me. And you can see, I'll try to do a little bit of the driveway that you zoomed in a few minutes ago and showed that driveway has been in existence for four years or more and has already been approved for three residences to be served off that driveway. Infrastructure, Chepita water is the water provider. Infrastructure was already put in to provide water to this house up here. So there is a flushing valve and a six inch by four inch HDB July connected to the bay maintain that all the way to the flushing. Which is probably everything else in terms of infrastructure, the NEA underground is already in existence. Good. All right. Any questions for Mr. Stevens? Good. Good. You're over there. You look like you're working hard. All right. Thank you. Is there anyone from the public that would have a question or comment? Yes, sir. Uh-oh. Talk about it. You have a mop or something? My name is Lynette Gilbert. I live in 1868, 6495 road. Our lot borders, both those two new lots. So Mr. Richmond has already answered my questions, the first one about the HOA. So lot number one is part of all, we have four houses up there and lot number one is in the same HOA as us. And my question was, is not too part of this HOA which Mr. Richmond did not think it would be. My question is, if that was seen as a one lot, Mr. Steven Sout, is part of our HOA, and he's dividing it now. Isn't it the same HOA then if he was that part that he had not part of the HOA? We don't typically deal in HOA matters. That's outside of our purview. We don't deal with that. So, Talmad, are you listening? So, I'm Janitor Newton. So, I'm going to follow that. She has a question about, I guess, the lot. One of the lot number two was it that you have- Yes. So, initially it was the four lots, and this, Mr. Steven should quiet, quiet all the other property around us. And so now he's dividing it. And we were just wondering is that, us that live up there is a part of our lives. And what would be the restrictions of the new Lord be? Can they subdivide? Does it sound like they'll have to come back before the committee. There's a frontage requirement to subdivide and it sounds like those lots would not have sufficient frontage if they divided them further. You need 200 foot of county road frontage to have a viable lot. And it sounds like he wouldn't be able to do that. So it can't be done further. Well, there are two lots that is for sale up there. Or maybe you can light out on that? No. What are those two lots? OK. Wait a minute. I don't want to. I'm not. OK. So I'm just now that you know I understand all this, that we are the art neighbors, and we are concerned about what is happening around us. Right. I'm not very familiar with Mount Doris County. Oh, okay. Well, we deal with the subdivision regulations if we don't get into the homeowner's thing. So, yeah. The other thing Mr. Richmond did say is that if it is subdivided, they would have to have a new road. Well, most of the road at the moment, to lot number one is on our property. Parking on here, and then on our property. So we didn't know. Also, if that easement is going to change, if they do subdivide the rest of the lots. That's not on the docket tonight. If that happens, let us know. OK. OK. Coming attractions. OK. Does anybody else want to speak in this regard? This is the one where my year comes 1 8 8 5 B 64 95 road. I just had more questions than comments. And it's sent from today that they can't subdivide the second piece. And that was one of my concerns. My God is the one that is in the back. The one that is in 29, 16. My concern was if they are going to build a bunch of houses there, are they going to hover part of the view or something like that? But it's still like it's already answered. And the second question that I have is if it is divided into log 1 and 2, are they going to be part of our subdivision or is this a new subdivision? It does not clear to me. I'm thinking this. So that depends how the H-O-A is written, how the covenants are written, how the H-O-A is described. But my understanding for the owner is that a lot one would remain where the house is would remain in my joy and then lot two would be separate. But that's out of our hands at the bridge. It depends on the private thing. So it could be an insufficient or the same subject. Well, if Mr. Stevens can't answer that, he can probably get the straight answer of Mr. Stevens. Do you want to tackle that? Can you add any light to that question? Whether it's lighter or not, we don't know. Okay. Accuracy, how's that? Lot one would return or remain at part of secluded valley H., which is eight locks. On this level may send for adjacent ones. The larger lot would not be a part of the subdivision. There was no provisions when we created that H away to include additional anchorage into that eight lot sub-missile. Okay, so a lot of one on your plat would be in and a lot of two would not be. Yeah. This is law one. Right. And this would be law two. Yep. Okay. All right. Good. Okay. One more question. Okay. Also, one would, the lot to, what would be it's be zoned as? Can there be different structures? Can be is instructed as one? Because now he was saying there's two, there's one, there's actually structures only but not holds at the moment. And so what would it be zoned as? Well, it's probably zoned right now as general lag. I would guess. Yeah, it's not proposed to change it to general lag. Yeah, so it's general laggy culture. And what does that mean? Restriction wise, voting and... Well, it's not proposed to change the general agriculture. Yeah, so it's general agriculture. And what does that mean? Restriction wise voting and... Well, it's all over the place. Yeah, 95% of the candidates general agriculture. Okay. So, it's all over the place. Okay? Anybody else? All right. Come on. back. Mr. Stevens, you're getting your ex-your size. You want me to come? Yes, please. Permission to approach? Mr. Stevens, I just want to clarify. Seems like we're interchanging HOA in subdivision. Sorry. You're saying? They were asking HOA questions. Is it a part of the service business? So lot one is staying part of secluded valley. It's secluded valley, subdivision. A lot two is out there on its own. It is not part of the subdivision. It is not part of the HOA. Is that correct? But it's liable to all of the Montrose County regulations regarding density, lung law, zoning, et cetera. OK. Yeah. Yeah. And Tommage and Kim know, because they've met our son. I have a blind autistic son that and that actually used to be a speech therapist for him. So part of our long-term plan with our Antigat son is trying to plan for his care post-us and our son and daughter-in-law who live here in on Thursday teaches it color of the mesa. Our number one in our estate planning for taking care of him and our intention is to give them or convey somehow plot two to them for their ability to care for our handicapped son while we're gone. Okay. dogs. Okay. Yeah. All right. Anybody else? We're down to a small crowd. So okay. Back to us. Any further discussion amongst us? All right. I'll entertain motion. Mr. Chair, I move to approve the two Stephen subdivision to the lemonary plan based on findings of fact listed in paragraph five of this report. All right. We have a motion by Lana. I heard David first. Okay. So we have a motion by Lana, seconded by David to approve. All in favor, raise your hand. Okay, passes unanimously. Okay, the next is the J-bar J-Miner subdivision. Okay. The next is the J-bar J-mire subdivision. Looks like Kim. Hope I didn't catch you off guard here. Thank you. All right. All right, so we have the J-RJ Rainer subdivision. It's a proposal to divide 10.88 acres into three lots. The subject property is located on J-Gro. And each lot will access J-Gro. be provided by tri-caring and waste water by septic and importantly each lot is vacant. You'll notice that the adjoining parcel is owned residential made in the factured home park. And that overlap is due to a previous boundary line adjustment that was approved back in May of 24. This current zoning doesn't affect the proposal to subdivide and staff doesn't anticipate any negative impacts from this development. The proposal meets all county regulations, all county board of health regulations, encourage our new regulations, and I'm happy to answer any questions I can have. Can I ask you about the site characteristics and analysis? Is there, I just wanted to see if there's anything in there regarding the flood potential on this parcel? Because there's... I can pull the flood map if you'd like. Well, not the flood map, because it won't be on... This is not on a FEMA map, but it's a flash flood prone watershed. Okay. Wetlands? Well, not wetlands. And well, there's a couple of ponds in there, but it's a 70 acre water shed that drains right through this. And I just wanted to fill houses with that channel there like that of those ponds ever breach or you get a high intensity summer storm on that water shed. It's going to... You've got got a big covert crossing the highway right there and everything else and I just wanted to see what to say here well this won't be all female artificial wouldn't be artificial There's a lot of other things that's right here. The reason we flood our term in the deposit. It's actually four pawns of string. There's one big one and four little ones and I don't know if they're sanctioned by the state engineer. They're supposed to inspect those if they have stability problems and you get a storm with some runoff. That's all a mancus shell in there which is a very fine textured soil and it rains on that when it's wet. It could be, you can have some water coming down through there and it's right in the middle of this subdivision. It's right where the edge has edge of gravel lying there. It's right in that vicinity somewhere. Because I remember walking that and we did the mobile home park thing and it's and there's a culvert you can see if you have that you could put the plight back up it drains it to the other side of jig road so I I'm just wondering if it was Del-del months not here tonight okay hold on a second I'm not sure where to take that. I just have it. Okay, hold on a second. I'm not sure where to take that. I just have a concern about that. Maybe We'll let the applicant come up and maybe he can educate us a little bit on what's going on if that's okay Okay Jack, after 7540 million all the work in this way, Colorado. So the dotted line, I'll put the check, the dotted line here is the flow line from the crease. I believe there's five pounds above us. Yeah, there's a, I thought it was five, but maybe this one. This is a flow line of a creek that used to flow down here. We moved this, this cover here, and we brought it up here because it's safer. Between the right-hand side of this line and the left-hand side of it, there's a five foot to part of the change. So this water flows through here and has historic, but we planted a bill on the uphill side of the creek, and we also planted bill in a couple of ponds, a couple more ponds. Both the deer and the can here. And we've already talked to the, well, what is your apartment about with that? So, we're going to do an engineer, water engineer, do you ever water the stage? Two up. Have you heard what's his name? Bob Herford. Bob Herford. Yep. Bob Herford, and he's already proved us to do two or three ponds there. And there's a significant, the plant doesn't show the topography. But there's in places five and six feet changed between the lowland of the right side of that and up inside of it. And we had all the those septic down and just plenty of up and dealing with it. And we're going to be moving a lot of dirt for building the ponds and plenty of the elderly and some of those building sites. So we're not at all concerned about the flooding issues. Okay. So we're just selling it to you. Introduce yourself here. Oh, I thought he did. He did. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I thought he'd be. I'd be the third time we looked at doing a mobile home park down here and we had some significant neighbors resistance and we worked with those neighbors. I believe we have some neighborhood, neighborhood comments and favor of this to do tonight. And at least the neighbor said they were going to, I haven't seen it, but they said they would. So we've worked with neighbors and significantly changed. We went from a mobile park to a major subdivision to this minor. So I think we have tried to adjust the neighbors' concerns and the all's input on this. And we've been working on this now for maybe three years. So I felt this minor was the way to handle it. Has Delmar done the surveying out here? Oh, yeah. And they're fine with where the channel is versus the house. Mm-hmm. Okay. Just as long as that's all been done. So this map is not exactly topographical map. That's right. On the eastern edge, does this proposal run up on the hillside or is it stayed in the bottom? The Eastern property line on this is not quite at the toe of the hill, but at the bottom of the hill. It kind of goes up maybe five or six feet of elevation. Maybe, well, maybe let me stretch my memory. I'd say here it's, that's why we did this line one straight and we moved this line to keep it toe over here. OK. That's why that zone, you know. And the channel would be the left of that. This is all channel right? OK. And this is the difference elevation between here and here is north of five feet. So we okay. We have no place to build in that channel. Is there sufficient buildable area and each of these lots, a lot number two is pretty small, is it? 2.2 and a half acres, I mean, is that small? 2.2 and a half acres. So, of the 2.18 acres, how much of it is buildable? I don't know, maybe half, maybe a third. I don't know. All this area right here is buildable for sure. This used to be round and round right here. And it was a pin for this one. This one's in the top. This is all this here sits above that county road. This slopes to the so there's five to change so is there anything bill on the west side of that road so is that road that used to be a county road? Is that been abandoned? And it's... I believe I own it. I don't know how I got it. I believe I own it. But it is your road. I believe I own it. I don't know how I got it. I believe I own it. There was an easement or anything on the deed or... It happened a long time, why is it say it's old? It's old. It happened a long time ago. And the way before Jig Road used to be. Yeah. The old Jig Road. They've happened a long time, why is it say it's old? They've happened a long time ago. And the way before Jig Road used to be. Yeah, the field. Yeah. And that cover that failed was a counter-cofford. I don't know what the tractor almost killed myself. Yeah. So we replaced it and that crosses Jig Road. That crosses the old Jig Road. Oh, OK. The new Jig Road has a big one, big cement colder. I don't know if it's cement or aqua, but it's a big, it's new, but the one that failed was 50 or more years old. You know, so. So, Jack, just for you, you had your hands, and I'm going to go on our lap. It talks about a 30 foot waterline easement. Yeah. it talks just a little bit about what's going on. Is that pipes still live? Yeah, it was. So, I call this, we call this the Heathmobile Hallmark of the Heath Property Mystery. It all is. So, this up here is a mobile hallmark that we're operating with recently. That's all that from the hill, though. This is probably 50 foot elevation. This is all heat problem. This is all dead means around. It's all heat at one time. Mr. Heath came in with a 15 or 16 lot subdivision here. Maybe 30 years ago or 40 years ago. try county ran this waterline for his pulmonary plight and they built the waterline and they never find the waterline. So the waterline was there and that was the only condition we had from staff on our report and they had no idea where that waterline was. We spent, we've five meetings in Delmont's office, four meetings on site, back hose, water witchers, but we finally found it and we gave them the easement that they never had. So this waterline, it's pretty old school of entrances. This one line is all the way down here to 67. There's no waste but here either. And it's made of twerks. And the service is all these houses out there. So we're giving him this weird old easement here because it's fast forward. But they don't have it here. So Jack, before you step away, you move to the west side of the property and talk to us just a little bit about that Gas line It's a high pressure gas line goes all the way through here goes to the station right here and Ketsch through the Hormor or the side of Lot 3 there is that right? Yeah There's quite a bit of I'll put a building on right here. It's quite a bit of land right there. That's a trans-collar out of line. Trans-collar out of pipeline. It's a big, high-pressure. I don't help with the diaries, but they've got a pump station right here at this intersection. There's 50 or 50 of them here. And we're little bit more common. And it's got ballwords all around it. And then another one comes across here. This is the old Dunlop property. There's a level line that comes up through here and then gink here. So there's lots of gas. Okay. And it's all high pressure. So with lot of tree being four and a half acres, even with that gas line and the other easement or the water line, you still got a little space? Yeah, I think I'm going to build on that myself. I'm going to keep that for myself. So I like it. Well, I think I'm going to go house right here so that I can see a pup pond here or a pond here or maybe a pond here. So that's what we want. Or you're making the right move. I'm gonna play it. Maybe there is that going to meet your access to Jig Road? I've watched two and three will have a new build access. Intersecting in Jingro, the old, I'll be back here. Are you crossing? Are you crossing the wetlands then? I'm sorry. That lots of cat tails and drainage, you're gonna cross that for access? Yes, sir. Yes sir. And then this axis will remain the same or if they decide it will apply for the same. And that's for a lot of time? Yes. That's an axis we're proposing. So when you build that access then you will take into accommodation the idea that there's drainage through there and there is flash flood potential. Yeah well yeah we measured it today there's a 36.5 right here and one point of bringing 36.5 right here. Actually measured that today. And that pipe's been there 50 years. I don't know. I've seen stuff where heat was working down there 40 years ago. So there's a lot of history here. This mobile farm that was here used to be, I think we all know that. of that permits, the suffix that you guys wanted to see for total 36 or 37 years ago. And all these permits were permitted through the county. I thank you for your support. OK. All right. There's more questions. Anybody else want to comment on this? No? We're wearing out? Yeah. I have a question for staff. I want to thank you all for moving the agenda. Okay. There's mobile home parks manufactured, mobile home parks. appointed what a point at which they have to be on community sewer or or or community septic. I guess the manufacturer community sewer is best where I can explain it. At what point is that break between having to be on community sewer and being able to be on waste water. Saptic? In other words, across the river over here, Matt Miles built this and he had to be on the community sewer. These are allowed to be on waste water. Saptic. This is not going to be mobile. This is not a mobile home park. What point is there a break where we can order some mobile home parks can be on. Sceptic and some mobile home parks have to be on community sewer. The regulation for the Board of Health is that if you're anywhere near 400 feet of a sewer line, you need to hook to a sewer line. And that's, you see that a lot with West Mantra sanitation. However, if you're 400 feet within the city, they have the right to approve that or not. So those are the breaks for a sewer line near the city or West Mantra sanitation and this one's not 400 feet within a sewer line of West Mantra's Sanitation, so it would be a septic on each lot Okay, this is not mobile home These are not mobile home The proposals for subdividing the Parsel zone general act when you show you there. The mobile home park is up on top. OK. We've already dealt with those things. That was a community. We came to you all to fill the mobile home. You said he didn't want us to do that, so we do. Yeah, before you step away, I do have one more question kind of on this line. Where do you have to be using septic out there? And we know that you're in a drainage and you've got the ponds and right across the road is dead bands, complete alkali field. I know that our packet tells us that OWTS has been looked at, it's approved. I know this isn't your first rodeo. Are you? I just have visions and I know what the people out at Madelgate here east of town have dealt with. They had similar soils, situation 70, they had to get accepted into the city because of failing, septics. I'm very familiar with that area out there. So I have just a slight bit of skepticism as far as getting those septics to work well. You know, we've had a dumb uns checked them. Dumb months had had a black can in engineering look at it. So we've already analyzed that before we came to you all. I mean, they're going to be expensive. Sceptics. But we don't have to go. Exactly. We don't think we'll have to go about it. You don't think we're going to important travel and changes perk. I mean, those sept We're going to have to import gravel and change this perk. I mean, those septics are going to be, they're going to shoot a large hole in the 30,000 hour bill. I'm so expensive. You're a liar. No, we checked that. Okay. I mean, that worked. There's plenty of real estate to do with it. It's grumbo. It doesn't perk well so we're going to have to change all that perk. And so it will be 3VD. state to do it, it's grumbo, I mean it doesn't perk well so we're gonna have to change all that part and so it's there'll be 3vd with all new imported gravel. Okay, we checked it before we came to you all. We should expect you to ask. Okay, any more questions? of the applicant, nobody from the public wants to speak. Any more questions? All right. I'll entertain a motion. Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the J. Bar, J. Minor Subdivision based on the findings of fact listed in paragraph four of this report. Okay, we have a motion to approve the J-Bar J minor subdivision based on the findings of fact listed in paragraph four of this report. Okay, we have a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Okay. Lift odd seconds it. Any further discussion on the motion? If not raise your hand for approval. Okay, looks like unanimous. All right. And you're on through patient, is that? Okay, last item on the agenda. Toning regulations amendment, which like, like to to you took this with on. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The last but not least, the main event. I'm going to do a public hearing for a proposed zoning regulations amendment. This is a new application, but it kind of been in the works for two and a half years, three years. So, so it's excellent on that. I kind of question as an actor in the moratorium all the time he goes and makes his extended a couple of times in the part generation facilities. The current moratorium ends June 18th, 2025. So there is some comment in front of you. We didn't give the public a ton of times review. Essentially, give them a week to review. We got it into the packet, as when it was published to the, it was obviously published two weeks ago, but the regulations were available to the public a week ago. So there's not a lot of time, that was intentional, it was to get this in front of you through the planning commission, with plenty of time before the Marchions expires, so that you can get the board of county commissioners plenty of time for them to consider. So a couple things this is mainly geared toward power generation facilities. There's been some general assembly state stuff that's going on that's encouraged us to add two additional items to the storage. The main things are in sections two which are the use tables and section three which is the use standards. So everything in your attachment there for the draft, this is now just going to go into the regulations. There's a talisman that explains where it's going to go on the regulations and kind of what it does. So if you don't mind, I don't know how long I want to stay, but I have planned to go through this document, what's up on the screen, without still be appropriate for you all. Yeah, I'll take 9 shares. Yes, it's good. Okay. So. So, would that still be appropriate for you all? Yeah, I'll take no answers. Yes, it's good. Okay. So, should we open this as a public hearing? It is a public hearing. We need to read. We read the statement before. You don't need to read it again. You might just need to bend me down and say public hearing is open. Okay, public hearing is. So currently, powertgenier's and facilities, and we'll get into how that's divvyed up. But they're allowed by special use in the general ag district and by right in the general district. What's proposed and what was recommended at a work session by the board of commissioners, and a lot of this is coming from the Board of Commissioners. So it's a little backwards but it's it's good direction so you guys don't you have a good direction of how to refine a team. So what they're proposing is that our generation facilities would be allowed by special use in both ag and industrial. Currently, battery energy storage systems are not designated in the zoning regulations. They're not distinguished in the zoning regulations. So, staff's interpretation has been, it's a public utility facility, which is allowed by right in the General Act District. What's proposed here is to change that to allow them by special use in both Ag and Industrial. That is another request I came from the Board of County Commissioners. So that is an addition not a change, is that correct? That is an addition, correct. Yep. And since how it's laid out is if there's not a use listed in the regs, staff has to interpret what it most closely fits to. So my interpretation is public to look. So now that it's going to be added in no interpretation necessarily. And I guess the only thing to clarify there that is related to stand alone better in your sources. Typically, best are accessory to a solar facility. This is a stand alone thing that's typically next to a substation where they can hold a lot of energy when there's not as much need for it and then pump it onto the grid. Right, if there's been rest of it. The next paragraph there, I'm sorry, I'm not scrolling with you guys. The next change here is differentiation between large scale renewable energy facilities and small scale. Now, most of the regs for power generation is geared towards renewable energy facilities, because that's what's on the horizon. That's on the priority. But I'll get to it. There is a section that kind of catches all the rest. So this isn't no intention to treat renewables differently, or at a higher standard than others. It's actually we're trying to create a baseline. So again, differentiation between large scale solvers and small scale. This section of stating large scale solvers, not just large scale, but a new large of facilities would be allowed by special use in the general act district and the general industrial district. So same as other power generation facilities. And then small scale solar energy facilities. Not renewable energy facilities, just solar are allowed by right in the general act district, general residential district, general commercial district, and general industrial district. Okay. A lot there, did that make sense? Or maybe I'll define them first. I can do the definition. Do you want comments as you roll through this or should we come back? Sure. If you'd like comments. If you have questions, let's talk about that. I have a question about what you just said. In other words, all renewable energy other than small scale solar has to have a special use permit. Yes. Regardless of what it is, whether it's hydro or whatever, but a small solar unit is used by right. Right. And my comment on that, I would object to that, because when I have been doing research and trying to study and understand, based on your explanation of what a small scale solar facility is, it's not so small. It's in terms of power, it's 1 to 5 megawatts, which the size or area totally depends, but typically it's 5 to 25 meters. which I'm learning just as an example, which is the materials I've been reading. One may go up, will power a small hospital. I think just for the whole commission, I would remind the commissioners to recall the training we had from Joe. Yes, yes. So, and this is kind of a weird one where you don't have an applicant. But it is similar in terms of what needs to be submitted to the record, needs to be from staff or from the public. If the Planning Commission asks questions, you're definitely able to ask those. but I think maybe my I can speak to a little better, but we kind of get into some sketchy areas. Okay. If your missioners are providing the... Okay. So I'll retract and I'll just say, knowing what I think that I understand with my knowledge. I don't think they use it by right, it is a good idea because I feel like small scale is actually kind of big. So just, I don't know. No, I'm jealous. Thank you. No, thank you. Any other comments or questions for you? I just like to just like to remind everybody that 5 to 25 is not that it's big depending on Hagger looking at it, but it's not a permanent thing. I mean, 20 or 30 years, solar is going to probably evolve to something else. And this solar is not a permanent fixture on the Aglan. I think as as we go through here, you're going to see that Agrivoltaics is being recommended at its prime farm land, which is good, because it keeps the Ag part of it in there. So just keep that in mind, I guess. Another thing to keep in mind, and it's a little later on, but the difference in special use and use by right is not that they do or don't have to adhere to these standards. It's the process that they follow. So they would still have to adhere to all these standards. They would just be subject to administrative or e-staff review as opposed to a special public. I'm sick yet that the small steel cylinder go away. Ah, but bad. staff review as opposed to especially other people. I'm sick yet that the small scale soldier by the right. That came from a solar development community and then the commissioners recommended that we move forward with that. I don't have any problems. Which commissioners? I had a a pro solver. All three of them encourage me to the current ones of the just previous board. So this is about a month ago that we got this direction. So I'm commissioning down that with us. Yeah. This work session happened with commissioning down that commission with J.R.C. commissioners. Okay, the next section is going to be section 3A13. So it's going to be added in as you standard on section 3. Most of this is fairly similar to what you saw two years ago. We did have it at a definition for Agrival Tax. That was pretty standard definition. We added that in because there is some regulation in related to Agrival Tax. Let's get in the popular. We added a definition of battery energy storage systems. We differentiate, again, large scale solar. No, large scale renewable and small scale solar. So the town? Sorry. How are you doing? I'm moving back up the letter I, the agrival takes. And it says both solar panels and agri culture. My question there is, are we differentiating between plant agriculture hay or some other low crop or are we talking animals? The definition of agriculture includes both. Okay. Plants that we know. Right. Land of the one plan. Large scale salt, I'm just keeping messing this up. We're going to have to look like a hard-earned skin. Renewable. I'm just kidding. A large scale renewable energy facility is a renewable energy facility designed for power to the grid for sale or a facility that can produce an excess of 5 megawatts. So even if they're saying, even if hypothetically they're running an on-site Bitcoin mining place and it's going to produce the panels that they're proposing or the facility they're proposing is supposed to be used on site, even if it has the capacity to produce in x is a 5 megawatts, it still be a large scale to require a special use for healthy, would be a large scale. Yep, exactly, that would be a special unit. Exactly. A small scale solar facility, as we discussed, is a facility designed for to produce energy for the public, as well as one that has the capacity to produce between one and five megawatts. Next, we clarified some power purchase agreement stuff under a click of the under section C applicability. That was after request of PASA. They have been helpful in us understanding how these processes go and when to be more flexible, when to not be more flexible. And they request we add this, this Reg in, that the PPA or a similar agreement be secured within two years of proven approval. Is that standard? That seems like a long time. I think in the solar world that could almost be considered a short amount of time. But yes, that's fairly standard from the other regulations I've seen. The, uh, and again, that none of this is regulatory of alternate on-site energy generation. Right. So the rooftop solar panel in your yard, on anything under one megawatt, that does not apply to it. We added in under regulations, design and operation under the location section. There are some setbacks there. We added in at the request of CASA, or agreed with the setback requirement, maybe granted if a negotiated agreement is reached with the adjacent property on it. So that has a flexibility in there to reduce the setback of 50 feet for propelines and 250 feet for residential structures. And then the, let's see. Oh, that was a little. Are you saying is this not Casa like the kids court of sorry special else is a call thinking why is Carlton Mason telling you this time yeah okay color at all so it's storage that's it all right I see it thank you so before you proceed I have a big note on there that says no my I thought on that sentence that you just read that there could be a reduced setback requirement granted. I'm thinking to me that just, you know, that lends to shady deals on a lot of money and changing hands and doesn't end up giving us the protections that we need. I guess the devil's admige in me would say who are we protecting if the adjacent properties is a group? A adjacent property owner's quality of life. What do they want it? So just so you know, I don't know how we're going to deal with this, but I've got like 40 comments throughout the document. So do you want me to be quiet now? This is the planning commission's meeting, that's not a question. But do you want to try to get through the document? Let's try to get through the document and we will get to the public before we quit tonight. This is not going to be finalized tonight. We're not going to be, okay, I'll be quiet. I'll let you get through it. So I have a comment about the adjacent landowner. So you make an agreement of an alternative energy proposal makes an agreement with an adjacent landowner. Next year the adjacent landowner sells out and the new landowner comes in and is wondering where is the setback that's talked about here. You know the adjacent land, the previous landowner agreed to a unique setback but that's a new line owner comes in is going to expect to the, no, the regular setback, not the one that's been negotiated. Well, the buyer beware. Exactly, that's what I exactly as I said, there's a certain due diligence that any property owner needs to do with any house, whether it's close to a solar facility or not. You got to know what's going on around you. This would be subject, in this hypothetical situation, would be subject to an approved special use permit. A Jason to their property. I think if you're making that large an investment to own property, you're going to do that. I don't know that that's something the county can protect against. I think that's between the seller and the buyer. How they do it. A B. in the buyer and how they do it. A B C and D are fairly similar to how you get the all refined it. Now we get them to buffering and landscaping, I know this has been of concern to the solar community and CASA as voice concern with the, obviously they like objective, with the nature of it being a special use permit. There's some subject to the naturally to that, but this one as well, any combination of sub-experms, fancy landscape and arrangement uses on the site to effectively insulate a jason properties for man or special. So it's ultimately gonna be up to the Board of County Commission's what effectively insulate means for special use permits. And then up to staff, myself or whoever's after me to determine what effectively it so they means. I did not hear concerns from the board to rearrange that. We adjusted the glare, the FAA requirements to make it more official. I discuss that with Lloyd Arnold, the director Arnold, from the airport to make sure we had the proper FAA forms done to mitigate those impacts for any solar facades within three miles. And your noble facades within three miles. And then that item B, I believe, is new since you saw it. And the operating room of the city shall continue to employ practices detailed in the dust mitigation plan. So what we had before was the dust mitigation plans required. This is giving standards to the dust mitigation plan. At least minimum standards to what they need to do and that they have to adhere to those. Power lines, the DMEA was helpful in this and reorganizing this. This is fairly standard language for many other jurisdictions, but DMEA helped organize to make it flow a little better for utilities, from utility perspective. But the content of this very similar to what you saw a couple years ago. And then we added the science read in that similar to what we talked about at the airport action. There's a sign of the contact information at all. Access points for any emergencies or any maintenance needed. Standards and limitations is fairly similar to how you had it a couple years ago. The under Section 2, 3 and 4, those were added in, again to clarify. The next section's application requires the Avalese requirements. 3 and 4 is the teeth that says, hey you submitted this deconitioning plan, you submitted these plans, you have to stick to it pretty much. Application requirements are fairly similar. These are explained that the requirements not necessarily the regulations to it. So these are fairly similar to what you saw in the past or what you submitted to the board. Any questions on those? As I'm scrolling. The only under narrative number three that says financing or performance fund. Should that be an end? Or is that really either or, or does he see, where is it under the narrative? For 3D. Do you have a discussion on the financing? 3D. For performance fund, for financing or performance fund. Yeah, I think it's worth it that way because there's different types of financing and that the next part. It's probably better to say the financing are security. I can work so. Okay. It's quite funny. I don't know much about that. We added, sorry, one of the things we did at the rate below that, in impact analysis, We added a requirement that the applicant consult with the color of Parks and Wildlife and show record of that consultation. I like it. Securities, this one is very similar to what you all recommended to your students. I don't know that I have much to add to that one. And then abandonment, really the only change we made to it was as opposed to setting timelines on how the abandonment happens or when it happens, we just require that they adhere to the decommissioning plan. That was approved at the Specialist's Commerce Site, which I think makes most sense. to the plant. Yeah, that's how it should be done. I'm sorry I skipped over everything. It's been a long day. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I apologize. I'm a little... Okay, here we go. Way back up to the top. Under number one location. I apologize. We added under wind energy facilities, whether D says the land that's previously been disturbed by reclaimed mining operations or other similar disturbances may be encouraged for use of renewable energy facilities. Where this is not possible in the facilities proposed on prime farm land as defined by the MSCS Actual Takes shall be encouraged. Where AgriVotec operations are implemented, reduced buffering and landscaping requirements may be taken second. So the direction I received from the board was to add some sort of incentives, not monetary incentives, but add some sort of incentive to landowners and developers to incorporate agrival takes, obviously to protect and encourage the agricultural heritage of this house becoming. So the idea behind it is if you're implementing agrival takes, there's a possibility we can reduce buffering, reduce landscape records, reduce the cost, or augment the size of the facility on a certain property based on that, based on using equitable tax. I like that. That's something I'd like the planning commission to talk about. I thought you had like 39 of your 40 notes were going to be on that one. I like that. I think it's a good idea. I go. I call it that. That's why we have a board. So that's what a lot of the discussion I hope is geared towards this one. This one being probably pretty rough and this is the first time that we're reviewing this language. It's probably going to take some time to workshop. Yeah, let's just go through this tonight and we'll hear from these guys and we'll continue this. Yeah, we'll deal with that later. Now, the next items are two more items to add to the new state. It's once for natural medicine business, natural medicine business, and I'll skip down the definition. A natural medicine business is any of the findings that is listed in the statute of Natural medicine healing center, natural medicine cultivation facility, natural medicine products, and the individual. Natural medicine testing facility or other licensed entry created by the state licensing board. So the warhead has concerns with this. This is referring to psychedelics, mushrooms, things that help. It's been studied that it can help. Metal. Yeah, PTSD, things like that. It's lots and new things coming out all the time about this stuff. The board is concerned about it. And what we're proposing is to add it as used by right only in the general industrial district. So this would not this would be like a this wouldn't be like a walk-in place it'd be like a facility that makes it. It could be either. This is a confusing one too though because they're prohibited federally allowed by the state. Well marijuana marijuana. So they're similar to marijuana. Similar to marijuana, but when the state did that statue, they allowed counties to opt out and not allow marijuana use. That's what you can. This one you can't opt out. It has to be allowed, simply. So what we're doing, what we're proposing at the request of the board is to allow it in the general industrial district and one of the standards and then the U standards they know none of these businesses shall be located within a quarter mile public or private school church public or private daycare center so kind of a way for kids families and those types of things. And then the other one is the third addition to the use standards is massage therapy business. So the state, again, General Assembly came up with some differentiations basically to allow massage massage therapy legitimate massage therapy businesses while prohibiting illicit or sketching if you know what I mean. Yeah, businesses are like really massaging. Right. Yeah. Massage would have to be ending too much massage. So what is F, F deal or Raj? There are some of those words in there. Say that again. F the Lerage. F the Lerage. A lot of that language was taken straight from statute. It's essentially what we're trying to do is prohibit those because we can prohibit a per statute. We're prohibiting the illicit ones while still allowing legitimate typical massage therapy. I think that's it. So the legitimate ones. Yeah, so the legitimate ones are allowed by right in commercial and industrial. And then, yeah, obviously it to protect people from human trafficking and different things as an animal statue and I won't read that whole thing to the same time. So we don't have much leeway on these two I mean that's their dick kid by certain- The terms of between you and the board, or what do you mean? Well, their state statue is directing either of the state. Yeah, the first one we don't have, Lee Way to prohibit, medical prohibit, that is just as we don't, we can't prohibit. We can allow them in certain places that still protect the public. We only allow them one district far away from things. Okay. Okay. But the second one, what we're really doing here is differentiating so we can prohibit the illicit ones. Okay. Still legitimate, allowed, legitimate. Okay. I do have one specific question on the massage stuff. in the use tables? Where does that business fall? It falls under General Commercial District by right. And general taxes. I mean the little boxes where they say that we can do. It would probably be that similar professional services service centers. It would be in that room. Not over in the adult sexual. No, no, no. It doesn't even look there. It's not a part of what this is. I know. The definition. That's what I'm asking. Which box are we putting this in? There is what this is doing. Is this the same? This is like legitimate, professional. This legitimate professional this is saying massage therapy business is legitimate that's allowed commercial industrial anything else is not allowed I and I get I get so it's not a little group I'm asking for the more specific box so it's going to go under professional services. It's going under professional services. If we added it under adult, whatever, then that would be saying it's allowed somewhere. But because it's prohibited, we're not adding that one anywhere. Correct. Yeah. If it's not in the table, it's not allowed. It's pretty. Yeah. Exactly. My question. But there's still going to be some. Anyway. I think that's pretty much all I have. The only other change is section eight definitions. We're adding these bunch of definitions in there. I think you went over OEG balance and then balance slightly changing. Do we discuss that with you guys two years ago? Alternate on-site energy generation. That definition is proposed to change. So what we're proposing to add in generation, it's obviously generation for onsite, just for personal use. proposing to add in, or for property adjacent under same ownership. So the reason we're proposing that is for the village out of the bypass. No, the façade. The Casa. Yes, they have a property just to the north of them that's in the county. And a property of the south, that's obviously the village and the city. They, for the longest, no. It was owned industrial so they could make it work. But because it was technically supplying, or powering an off-site property, it didn't fit into this category. So now what we're doing is saying it fits a Jason, and it's the same ownership, you can consider it alternate. I'll say. Good. So which makes sense to me too. Yeah, it makes sense to me too. We went over battery best, we went over size and entries, so those are the definitions. Okay, I think that's my speaking. All right, I would suggest it's getting laid. Now I'm going to open the floor for the. Tony, I've got you on the list. Does that you other folks want to speak? OK. Well, Tony, since you're on the side, you come on up and we'll get you guys what you guys say, what you want to say. And then we'll go from there. Twenty-hog, 17908, Old Fair Doctor Road. The work of the Represent Assistance Climate Lobby, nonprofit, 501-C3, working to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in that county. I'm here to hope you consider looking at this gun stock, which is extensive, good job. And you guys have done a lot of work for it. There's almost a finished line that seems to me, if you want concerns, I'm sure. As you said, but hopefully we can keep working at it together and come up with what is best in the Montal's County. Underneath from this document, and just give some overall narrative to the whole situation instead of going point by point, I have reviewed the whole document about additional language for it, and I'll submit that to you through Tom Edge before your consideration. Okay. Power generation is a complex business. Ranging in size from small rooftop solar array to 80 megawatts solar field at 385 acres, Garna Basin Delta County. Small to big. In addition we have to consider natural gas power generation, coal fire power generation and small scale nuclear power generation. That's all part of power generation. We're not touching it now, but I'm just saying it. Power generation is very complex. There's a lot going on. A lot to think about. And it's not a simple, easy thing to make a decision on. There's a lot of money needed to invest in the design, permitting, building, and operating systems. I'm going to use my wife's hand because I'm really close to the reader. Okay. Who's your eye doctor? Yeah, it's my wife's. There's a lot of money needed to invest in the design, permitting, building, and operating systems that produce power, usually in the form of electricity, along with the time and effort put forth by the homeowner and project developer. There are times considerable. We can't lose sight of the reason for power generation and the upfront cost associated with each proposed power generation system. This goes to your two-year limitation of power purchase agreement. Garnet Mesa has been in year four and they're just starting to build. So I've put it to your limitation on power purchase agreement, and me and I can get there. So then,, cost of said two years is fine. It also said previously, not a year to be extended through the approval by the Montrose County Commissioners. It may not be enough. These projects take a long time. I take a lot of work and a lot of money. On the back side is the taxing revenue that the county can't receive from these type of projects. It is estimated that the government makes a project that will return $13 million to the county tax receipts, which is significant. So it's not, it's power generation, it's complex. There's costs up front for the developers all the way through the process and these need to be taken into account. But there's benefits to the county also that long-term benefits. layered on top of the economic aspect of the project design and power generation tax receipts is the bottom line private property lines that need to be respected in the development of these regulations. Of course, there's already federal and state laws that describe off facilities need to be built to be saved and to not harm the public or the environment around the power generation site. Montrose County's work card, you as the planning commission that worked hard, the planning department, Montrose County. generation site. Molintros County's work card, you as the planning commission that worked card, the planning department, Molintros County, his work card, I'm drafted these regulations and command you have us here a year ago and talk to you about this. When we're doing a month, a master plan. So yeah, we've been in this together, so you guys have really worked on it. Thank you so much. I commend all that I'm participating in working towards this. I'm an echoed oval, a fair set of our regulations that will keep Montrose County State. I must point out that the regulations stay clear then, and Tomas came up with it, and talked about this earlier, that renewal energy development will be not treated any different than any type of other developer. As the regulations have developed over the last year, my viewpoint alone, renewable energy is being treated more fairly as new languages adopted in new directorate regulations. To me, as someone in the public, and not fully conversant in the county laws and how this is all laid out, trying to understand exactly what it's written here, it appears to me that the wording related to the decommissioning and error of that, error of a bookable, wide requirements of two places where renewable energy has been singled out for more scrutiny and subject to increased economic burdens. The other roles as I've not heard about subdivisions that were proposed tonight. No irrevocable bonds, no decommissioning plans. Yes, many of your subdivisions go through and get built and get lived in. We've got a standing medical facility that is half built, it's not. What would you do if that were to hear, going to acquire a decommission plan for that? Well, I don't see that. I think that needs to be considered more decommissioning and irrevocable bond for projects. In other development laws, draft also requires renewable energy project coalesce, and climate and climate and climate change submit. As much background information as project would require a special use permit. We're talking about site development, applications versus special use permits, and they're requiring the same amount of information for both of them. These smaller projects are designed as used by Wright. I'm going to talk about earlier, or a prior only site, get all the notification. In my mind, the only difference in the two right now is the approval process. The site specific in this language, the site specific one, you guys get to make recommendations. And then it goes to the county commissioners, for the review. Especially if it goes to the county commissioners for the review. Especially his equipment goes to the county commissioners. It would seem to me that small projects in the site development application would not need to be subject to the heavy duty review of the site proposed, especially the decommissioned plan and the air vocal line. The project was proposed to put a microgrid in Monticello's county to protect the away from the police department and downtown O'Lake that was built in the county. The whole project may not even be considered because of the air lawn. The economic burden and the process that you can make small projects go through maybe two honors for the amount of these projects to be considered. There's a need for an energy project, a large scale, to have a thorough review. Yes, that's absolutely right. Small scale solar projects are used by way, and are not the landscape threat that large projects are. Unless they even only have sight review with far less background and sight specific data, much less the decommissioning and boundary requirements. This can be taken. This document can be remedied by one sentence, where you say the whole list of the application process. I think I said this to you before I previous thing. We just subjugated. You say, everything, all projects are subject to these regulations. And it down to the bottom. The next set, only large-utailers in scale projects are subject to these, the information and both the bombs. There's a place where you can just divide the small scale and large-scale projects. Tony, we like to try to keep the comments per person to like three minutes and you're approaching about 15. Almost done. Okay. And the rest of you folks. Two and a half more paragraphs. The use of one's end. Okay, I just have that. All projects are subject to these applications. I said, oh, you're large projects. Okay. Are you going to submit this in writing? I can. That would be an absolute idea. Absolutely. That's a lot to take in as all this was. I've taken the time to repeat the draft for regulations. It's a plan draft, draft for language. I mean, treat renewable energy projects for more and more economic development in the county, to private properties appropriately, and in the end has the citizens in the county you saved the newable energy development projects in the county. Thank you so much for your time. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chair, so I won't respond to Tony's comments, but I did. He did remind me of something that's on your screen there that's a crucial change from last time he's here. This whole section is Power Generation Facilities. There's an A that's renewable energy facilities, and then we added a B that's other types of Power Generation Facilities to kind of, again, catch all, or we haven't studied those, so I can't speak to standards for those types of things but it at least catches it to say other types of power generation shall adhere to similar standards to the processes depending on what they are. All right thanks Jim Hennigan, 6279 5550 Rotolata. My background is in developing power generation facilities, including solar, or the DMEA for 16 years, and now consultant to the industry. I guess I'll try and keep this brief by saying I largely concur with everything Tony. It's said and I'll try to not be redundant. Do you have a bit of a question that Thomas Trayden clarified for me? The battery energy storage systems, as I've read through this, as proposed, would all require a special use permit. Is that correct? The standalone. Okay, so how is it distinguished between if there's a battery storage system that goes with, let me say, solar, which has come? Is it one special use permit? Yeah, that's the accessory to the renewable. That would be a part a part of the renault budget. So it would be one renault budget facility, especially the experiment for the entirety of the solar facility. Okay, and then if it's a small facility, is there any distinction about it doesn't read, it would or would not require a special you experiment, I didn't see that it was in here. see that it was in here. Sorry, Mr. Chair. Are you OK? That I'm OK with? Yeah. Yeah, if it's a... about it doesn't really, it would or would not require especially the sperm and I didn't see that it was in here. Sorry Mr. Chair, are you okay that I'm personally to be honest with you? Yeah, if it's a small scale facility, the BES is associated with it, would it be accessory to the small scale? So it'd be a part of that. Okay, so then- It's a good not because they're standalone if it's a part of that. is part of that. But if it's standalone, there's no such thing as a small facility. Right. Okay. So my recommendation would be that that could be included into the changes that are being made to the ordinance. So that in the same way you have used by right for small scale solar, I think you could include use by right for stand alone battery. Especially since you'll see a smaller footprint. And you could do it by size. So capacity is a battery. And then the other thing that I find, I guess I'm not sure why it's done this way, but it was put was put into the definitions that a Best is a renewable energy facility And I'm struggling with that so if they're stand alone Is there can you give me an explanation for why I got defined as a renewable energy facility? It's That is it probably could be clarified a little better. So, renewable energy facility often includes a battery energy storage facility. So it includes solar energy facilities. We get to add into that definition accessory best. Our thoughts were that including renewable energy facility makes associates the two to make one accessory the best accessory to the renewable energy facility. But then best has a separate standalone definition for if it's not accessory. And, if in fact you adopted a size at which you could consider it a small best and if, conditionally, it was a use by right would you, with the fact that in a renewable energy facility system where you say it's battery energy storage systems that meet that definition that wouldn't apply we're still okay right you can still be the same as small scale we have to there's a separate definition for small scale you would do that could be considered a renewable energy facility, but because small scale is differentiated at a different part to the use table, that's what it would want. Okay, so if I'm not a player, I guess what I'm suggesting would be helpful. Well, I think maybe I can sum it up this way. You're suggesting to keep battery and use storage system that use and then create a small scale better in your storage system as I was by right with certain locations. You've got it? I think I'm sure. OK, very good. And then you later in this section, eight definitions that you showed, you included another definition of battery energy storage systems. I believe it's copied and pasted, just to be in a definition section of the whole code. Okay. And then on the alternate monsite energy generation, I heard you say, and may have heard incorrectly, that that was, that pertained to stuff that was under one megawatt, so it didn't qualify. And I would suggest that if that's the case, it wasn't clear to me that it's got a size limit to it. When I read it, it seemed like you could put 500 megawatts. But am I correct, it is. You're correct. Okay. All right. And then the last thing, so I want to just reiterate, even though it is the very redundant, the securities and decommissioning part for small scale solar, I think it's so generous that you would eliminate the possibility of small scale solar. So I would say, at the very least I think there should be some stuff removed from that or perhaps eliminated. And then on the decommissioning specifically I'm pretty sure Kosa spoke to this but the requirement to go three feet underground to remove everything I think that's pretty severe. I would say six inches to a foot would be more reasonable. There's all kinds of infrastructure that remains after some much decommissioned, if it's buried, and it can be appropriate to leave it there. So I think that comment was, Cosa's may have been from three feet to two feet. I would suggest even shallower in terms of the decommissioning part. Yeah, and then I think for my last comment, and probably my longer already, because I've got feedbacks or a publisher said, it's not a big deal, but for the battery energy storage systems, where you say that it's associated with electric equipment, design, receive, store, and provide with battery charger's controls, power conditioning systems, There's a whole category of battery energy systems that aren't the chemical batteries that work for the night. And I think we need to expand the definition to include the gravity batteries, why were the batteries? There's even thermal batteries now that will actually generate electricity. So I think I would suggest that should probably be an expanded definition. Can you submit your these comments on writing? That would help. Does this get late? Let's try to. I can. Yeah, I can. I can sum. I have them as notes now. I could summarize them in email and to. That'd be good. OK. So we can have them because we're going to, We still have a lot of work to do on this. Actually I'm glad to hear that you don't, you know, make any decisions tonight. It doesn't sound like it. So, would like to continue the involved in the process. Okay. We still have a lot of work to do on this actually I'm glad to hear that you don't you know many decisions tonight It doesn't sound like it so Would like to continue the process. Okay, any questions? Anybody else Are they redundant to what I think the question was asking is did you read the written comments? So you have a couple written comments. We have a written comments. We have, no, we've been busy since six. OK, all right, OK. Is that what you are going to come up? I submitted it today. No, it's one of the ones. Oh, we've got it. You got it. Which letter are you? I'm Jennifer Jones. Thank you. So one on the letter. Okay, we got it. Okay, all right. Everything is in there. Okay, good. Thank you. Okay. What do we want to do time wise on this? Can I make your ammunition, Mr. Chair? I've been my timeline that I have set up if you can make a recommendation to board by March 27th meeting. That'll leave the board about two and a half months, which I think is sufficient for them. So if you think this needs a special meeting, we might want to get that two weeks out. We were talking about that. Something early mid-Marchish before the 27th meeting. Right, so the week of the 10th maybe? So I had to bring my boat in. That sounds, I'm gone the week of the 14th, weekend of the 14th, but other than that, you know, with the 11th work, I think so. March 11th? March 11th here at 6th. That works for us if that works for the planning commission. Okay. Well, if you get home and you find out it doesn't get the email email Township real quick and that'll be public notice No, it won't be because it's continued throughout public notice meeting to a time date certain. I'd probably send on a curse email I got to go to tell the people I sent to. So from the standpoint of public hearing, should we close the public hearing? You don't have to close the public. We can just leave it open because they're going to submit comments anyway. Okay. Okay. So we probably need a motion to continue with to February 27th. So moved. Okay. So it makes a motion. So anyone want to second that? What specific? February 27th. So moved. Okay. Just makes a motion. So anyone want to second that? What specific reason are we using to... There's a lot of comments and questions that we need to go through yet. Okay. The needs be stated in motion. I'm going to put it in the comments and other issues. So, the fact finding continues to be a little bit of a time set on the other side. Okay. That's good point. Yeah. Okay. So, have a motion. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. So, Cliff, make the motion and David seconded any further discussion on that All in favor raise your hand all those Did you vote? abstaining Did you vote it? Okay, so we had four Four yeses and one abstain May I have a state? You got the March 11th. Everybody's got the March 11th and it's 6 o'clock, Dave. Okay. Where's my agenda? I get lost here. I gotta give that to Kim. I guess we're down to not much left. So there are any further things for discussion? Or... Oh, I haven't been a shout out to you all in a shout out to Molly for sticking with us on the first meeting. So all night, after a long day's work? Yeah, you guys have been working left at 7. Alright, we're adjourned. I'm tired. Yeah, it's all spun. Are they still assigned things that are really very good at hand? Yeah, I think that's more kind of what to expect. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, you may allow me to go. Yeah, so, I'm going to do this here. All of the merchandise tonight. Thanks for being here, okay. I'll pick you up some of my stuff. Are you turning it jewel wall? I is going to educate me. Are you turning it into a wall? It might be a wall. It's a wall.