6.21 p.m. I'd like to call the work session to order. We've already had the pledge of allegiance in a moment of silence. Roll call please. Miss Lawrence. Mr. Haas. Here. Mr. Krishanowski. Here. Mr. Lewis Gavage. Here. Mr. Victor. Here. Mr. Perry. Here. Mr. Savitino. Here. Mr. Smith. Mr. Statham. Here Mr. Thornton. Mr. Willovich. Here Mr. Willovich. Here. Ten of eleven. All right thank you. Mr. Thornton. Here. Mr. Willovich. Here. Mr. Lovardo. Here. T head of 11. All right. Thank you. Any additions or deletions from the work session agenda? It's a motion to adopt. So we'll second. All in favor? Hi. All right. Opposed? The agenda is adopted. We'll start with division reports. I wanted to remind council that we would be the decision report stage if they have any questions. Please let me know. I just want to mention one thing very briefly. Sort of related to the division reports. I attended the Bureau of Elections, Logic and Accuracy testing today. There weren't many members of the public there. Actually there were no members of the public there, but I did attend it along with several other election board members. And I thought that Ms. Cook and Mr. Hahn did a very good job of explaining the process. There were some new things to learn that I definitely learned when I was there. I asked a few questions and as always they do a great job. So if you have an opportunity and you have questions about Election Day, about mail-in voting, about the process of proofing the balance, please feel free to attend one of those seminars. They're very, very informational. So like I said, I have a good experience at it today as I always do, but I just wanted to make mention of that. Mr. Host, I mean, I have a question, Mr. Chair, actually. So the run back machines, the Bureau of one select, I don't know if we could get over the process. Sometimes it's have to be right now, but I made Ms. Goat once to explain that sometime. Or I don't know if that's your point. Are you referring to the Dropbox? Yeah. OK. Well, we didn't have a public demonstration. And I thought that was a good turn out. That came the company that reached out to us. And if we use them, we have to pay $12,000. We use that machine if we don't recent back in, there's no charge to that. So if you want to account for the housing, if you want to make a complete building, we'll show you how it works. It seems to have another level of security. Of course, the board has determined that a drop box will be used and they will be working on whether the particular model will be used. It's a very small slot that the ballot is quickly balloted. They take a picture of the back and front of the ballot. Not the ballot itself, but the ballot law. There is a camera that photographs the individual beneath the ballot on the low into the machine. And it will give a message that the ballot was accepted. The Bureau staff will then go downstairs, open up the back of the machine, it has a container like we use in the other drop boxes, take those envelopes, those valid envelopes, and then they can't them upstairs. So we will have our regular video cameras that are already in place at hand place. The new machine, if it is used, will's placed right across from the Sheriff's Station. So it's really, it's a decision I'm supposed to for, but other than what you did that about it. Is that next meeting of the was a little comment on? And nobody's going on it. But we wanted to demonstrate it. Certainly we're not going to make that decision of using that particular model. That's something that the board needs to decide on. Very nice question. Mr. Schausgamm, is there any way they can demonstrate that you're at a regular meeting in the work session? Only because. We have to move the machine. It's big. And we can have an evening time before it can be possibly demonstrated. Yes. I'll check to see if we can move it here. If the company's here, I don't want to damage the machine. Yeah. It's like a general. It's like a general. Yeah. It's not like a general. It's not like a general box. Yeah. I mean, but we can set something up that if you want to go to that place, we'll show, we'll show you the council member. That would be good. I mean, a thing, evening hours? Yes, we'll come out. We can do that. We can do that. As I said, at the demonstration of people anger your second community, they know what we're about to just show me and talk about it. But we'll say something up, we'll get times and absolutely, you can see them straight in. There are some challenges with it. I didn't actually try to use it, I tried to use it, Councilman 17 of DIN. Yeah, it was a little difficult getting the guy out in the half line, a tiny gap that if you're going in for a long game, go get some confidence for the gap. So like it took me three or four tries to get it in, but I mean, once you know to go straight across with it, if machine, the opening is just about the size of the envelope. So you wouldn't be able to fit more than one in at a time. And then it does go to like the scans, but the outer angle, the outside of the palette, like emblem, the first one, not the super palette of emblem on the outside. And then I kind of, happen to come back downstairs, when they have the machine fully open, and I watch them do level of without like, with the box open. So it's pretty, it's pretty secure. I mean, I thought it'd be interesting that like, all of us was a little tiny gap maybe about a quarter of an inch of that sort of is getting caught on. But other than that, it worked really well. Does that default cool built-in of similar similar water camera? Well we would know because we could review that. It, no matter fact, the controller would in the fact that sheet that we we distributed and it won't be counted as a valid envelope so there are these mechanisms to do that. And we do have the video cameras surrounding. I don't want to say where they are exactly on the first floor and in place. But we'll have those as well. What's your? Yeah, I know. Like the firm just reached out to us. Yeah. Just to try this one. Did it reach out to other counties? Like, what how do we get about that? I think it's in Sacramento, and in Cook County, I don't know about any other, there are the counties, the areas that directed Cook that indicated to me. I don't know, they reached out to any other counties. Okay. I'm sure it's interesting. It is, and really the board has to decide whether they want to use it or not. Okay. And I actually happen to be, I happen to be there when they were sending off the machine, not today of the demonstration, but they did sort of demonstrate the capabilities they explained to me. I was there when some of the individuals from the run back were actually there. And I asked quite a few questions. I was, you know, I'm opinion about drop boxes myself, but I definitely felt that there were some security measures in there that I think are worth seriously considering if drop boxes are going to continue being a part of our election ceremony, losing our county for the time being. So. Well, good. You know what, I guess. Yes, anybody else? Any questions? Any questions on anything not related to? Yes, yes, not related. I don't know if I missed this, but I was just looking at the GIS and mapping, and it says that a senior analysis or began student shadow or in the study project with Wilkes University. So you have a student here working in GIS that's actively getting hands-on experience. That is awesome. I thought that was really great and I wanted to acknowledge that. Okay, is anybody else for division reports? I think this is from one side. It's a very brief agenda thing, but how are we looking for the spring schedule for Roman Bridge? We have anything like it. Where's the starting line for the season? I'm so thankful to John and Kid. I don't have a list in front of me, but I can tell you that there are going to be several projects that are starting Mr. Volga-Bita. They just need so I can certainly get that for you and get it for the next meeting. We can email that to you either the time, but I don't have anything to give you right now, but there will be. Mr. Volker comes, they just meet so I can certainly get that for you and get it for the next meeting. You know, we can email that to you at a time, but I don't have anything to give you right now, but there will be, like, these projects in your way. Alright, we're ready to phone call about the bottles. This is the season, right? I got a good idea. It's a good idea. You know, it's been more and no trouble again. I know we had a question about the snow cloud still being on one of those. Today, but they did have some snow flurry, but they do typically take the snow cloud off the second week and they also have a snow cloud. If anything, I think in our state of town report that we have $20 million of road repairs and construction that will be on on this year, is that something like that? Yeah, that's about the figure and I believe it's the most projects that we're doing probably 10 years, maybe longer. It's great to hear. All right, beggar, but yeah. Okay, moving on. Number two, discussion regarding the resolution, operational and county manager to execute a contract with Pennsylvania Cognculate for preparation of a strategic plan and five year financial plan. Oh, is the mic on? Sorry about that. Thank you. A couple of months ago, we were here to ask your position to submit an application to the Department of Community and Economic Development funding to do the fine your plans for the county. So we went through a large heat process before we came to you. So we know what the past we were talking about. We have selected PEL. We have finally gotten our fully executed contract from the Department of Community and Economic Development. So tonight we're asking you to approve that contract with the Pennsylvania economy leave. I have been here from PEL if you have any questions for him anything related to this project. Mr. Horn, thank you Mr. Chairman. Donna just curious I don't remember in the past I guess, just coming up so I'm kind of naive in the area. So we hire me for I take it to prepare and put together a strategic plan and a five year financial plan. Correct. Correct. So the last one was done. Oh my god. I think Mary was about ten years old. It's the last five year plan outdated? So financial, I'm just trying to think, I guess I don't know enough about budget finance. I mean, I believe me. I can spend money, but I'm out of it. I'm wondering how to mock with the strategy. The last time I was done, I used to be so satisfied. But I mean, they would be with all the departments, you look at the budgets, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. OK. This is a part of the project that we're going to review or assets and do a space study. And my understanding is that Pennsylvania currently will reach out to each department and they'll do an assessment of their needs. This is the first phase of that grant. A report will be generated and then there's a second phase of the grant that we would have to apply for which is putting the suggestions in action and actually doing the suggestions. But yeah, thank you. So there's three problems to this day of projects. The first is looking at finances. We will take a look at the sorts, those expenses and revenue, and map out what has happened over the last five years. And then we take all of that and create projections based on our assumptions, your assumptions of where the county is going to be going. That is coupled with looking at best practices and doing interviews with department heads and the folks that work for the government essentially, you all are assuming you all also, to get an understanding of what's going on, government wise, where can improvements be made, what kinds of concerns issues you all see happen to make in the improvement, and the third problem is review of collect party ignorance and light or whatever labor lawyer that comes in with the review everything. We take it all together to provide a final report to you all. It's a very collaborative process. We won't surprise Council with anything. We want to make sure that our recommendations are in mind and the recommendations that you all have. It's really just one mechanism one avenue to get a better handle on efficiency and effectiveness in government and our of them in the report. And the report is public. No, for public. Yeah. Mr. Stark, thank you. I would hope that part of the plan would include consideration of what I, being the white elephant in the county and that would be very much outdated prison, the structure of our prisons, very, very old and lends itself to a lot of trouble spots in prison, physical blind spots whatnot and we've had out of others and inspectors come in and point that out to us many times over. So I had brought this up a couple years ago with the previous county manager several times in public beings. I sort of just got the brush off, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll look at it. But you know what? We had unfortunately some debts that occurred to counties in there. One was a correctional guard himself, a number of years ago, not in the mid-670 years ago. And the young man and partially had a way to treat that to the age of the prison. And in fact, today they don't bring the bill of prison vertically up in the air for obvious reasons. And we have this old prison that presents many, many many challenges so I would hope there's some thought and consideration about that. I don't care if it's four years down the road, five years down the road. It can't keep kicking the can down the road and something needs to be addressed with that. Yeah, may not have all the answers to talk about but something needs to be said about it. Yeah, I have to speak with my teams and see what and what role the prison is going to play in the project. It is certainly something that we will keep in our mind and our inspiration for. Like Millicero, big chunk of this is the next phases from stamp and those can also fund additional studies and additional understanding of specific areas. So the prison may be one of those areas that should have an entire study to put into it to get better understanding of the physical infrastructure, any potential cost. We're not on our potential firms so I can't provide information on the list. I understand you can't go into that, create a detail on it, but I'll be looking for that in short. That's for some people's adrenaline with that. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? Nope. Any other comments? I know that they'll be reaching out to all of you, but I've already started coming to finally a list of areas that I can fight and concentrate on. So if you want to send me, the prison is already on that list, or at least a strategic plan of how we're going to, raise funds to pay for the prison, maybe not the exact plans. So, plans. So if there's anything that you want us to include, please send it to me and I'll have that. Our first step is a kickoff meeting and we will be capturing all that information also. So if there are specific things, we are always open to getting a better understanding I'm stuck so from department agencies, big issues, and the private information path. Mr. Dermott. Just a question on how the Pennsylvania community was, when you had those? We had an RFP process in the United Community Center. There was an RFP that was done back in February 2024. There were five respondents, the committee recommended that we interviewed three of those, which we did. And this was, you know, it was ranked, you know. And we went with PEL. And that price was based on, or PEL, price was what we based our application on. So we got half from DCED to pay for PEL and the county had agreed to match the other half Questions All right, thank you very much Number three discussion regarding resolution committing a local match for state operating assistance for a public transit public transit. Chef Tango. Hi. I actually have something to talk about for a quarter of a miss. I have a pretty good interaction with one of the commissioners from Harvard County who's open to starting to contribute their share of the match for this. And we're more than I have spoken in and we're going to start the meeting to go and talk and work with you. Keep a mic to phase it in no over time. Right. So that was a positive thing about this. Right. We have a meeting set up with actually a meeting set up with one of the Carpenter County commissioners to discuss a various issues, just as one of them. And another county, Carpenter County commission reached out to me because we share a bridge with Carpenter County. So we'll be meeting with him, but I think we're going to to get some movement from the parking county and I don't believe Ralph Sharpen is here today. I will take responsibility for that because I did not advise him to be here. I've been called in to be here. So I apologize for that. Probably tired of being beat up. Probably tired of being beat up. So we'll invite him next session. Any other questions? Comments? All right. Thank you very much. And before a discussion regarding permission, the hot coyote on Cone Hill properly. Okay, do you need Caledina? I think we've got a couple of things for you. For everyone tonight, number one, we got on the left. It is actually the land of the data center where Hazel got his new people from. So we can't get permission to hunt down the land. But I did have a conversation with somebody from the game permission who asked us not to get involved with this Like not to give permission of this danger And he gave me a pretty good rundown of the history of the population in Pennsylvania and at this point According to the game commission the calorie population is on the decline So he asked that we not give permission to have higher reason on television. I found that out before I come down to the unknown land. So, okay, we don't know that one. It's a people to insist that the audience chunk of it that goes around that the warehouses and then the rest of it is the work people are noticing. Attorney's scheme, I have just a quick question about that. So, was this a double check through the Office of Law or through GIS or anything before we ended up adding this on the agenda? The person wanting to do the I was told by DEP that it was our property. So that's why they contacted us. Okay. But it may have been a confusion that it was actually Hazel's property not our property. Okay, understood. Okay. All right, well, any other, I guess there's no more discussion on that. Okay. All right, thank you. Number five, discussion regarding resolution, ending resolution, R20104, which provided a tax exemption for new construction. All right. Just gonna hit the button on the side. Okay, I'm gonna give it to you if the law, the law firm about the job in Pepper Lock, and that we represent Heasleton Creek Commerce Center, Holdings, LLC, with the Ministry of the 24th, the key corporation, which is the best work of the eighth degree Commerce Center. The key corporation is a natural industrial retail plant for base in Charlotte, North Carolina. And recently became the developer of the project, as well as an affiliate key corporation is the managing member of the LLC. Before our involvement in the matter, the project received a Alberta approval from the county's full district and the township for a 10-year exemption from the improvements at the typical for a resolution. And we were reading through a resolution, we noted that if there's a kind of a cost default for if the owner does not pay the land taxes that the lower the exemption could be removed from the entire project. because it appears now that the project is going to be sub-defined into six plots with five buildings, I think it's going to be kind of unfair to be kind of across default for. If one owner fails to pay the plan taxes, that the other owners would be penalized by losing their lord exemptions. So upon that realization I send email to Attorney Skim asking if we can modify the language slightly at repair day draft resolution or to amend the existing resolution or to achieve that goal. Mr. Barnes? Yeah, I'm just thinking there are probably a legal question. I understand what you're questioning there. I probably in favor of that. I'm just thinking down the road if one such property owner after was subdivided, did their land tax on it, then developed it, as it was originally scheduled, and refused to just didn't walk away from it, didn't pay the land tax for two or three years. It was in her ears, normally the county takes steps to oxygen off that property or something like that. I would imagine the adjacent surviving owners of the other lots might want to purchase that. And if they did, would they automatically assume the benefits of the original learner on that singular plot, or would a new learner have to be considered since the only one walked away from it. I don't know how that would work. So right now with the learner the way it was approved, it was not approved, the concept of subdividing it to six portions. That's a new concept since you approved it, since the council that was in it that time proved it. So what they're discussing is the LERDA right now, since it was only contemplated to be one piece of property, if that owner failed to pay, they would lose their LERDA. So before losing the property, earning like that, they'd lose the benefit of alert. So now what they're asking for is if it's subdivided, we're basically giving six learners, and if one of those six learners doesn't pay, only that probably won't lose their and not everybody. Whatever we do in addition to that is not what they're discussing. That would be a different remedy for us outside of the learn of remedy. That would be your answer for? You've disrupted accurately and you're absolutely correct that as far as a tax sale situation goes, if it's an tax paid for extended period of time, certainly accounting would have to sell the tax sale, whether one of the other property owners wanted to jump in there and how it would affect the learning exemption thereafter, really is not at issue with this resolution. This one, Dartmouth, this one, try to get the microphone with her. This doesn't have to do with you, but more on our end for the county going further, should we have this kind of language in there saying that the property is sold or subdivided. So it's up to counsel. It's not done. we were were not told this is going to be something much. So the language is correct. For a regular alerta, that's the language that we always use. We don't prepare them. The developer provides them to us. But they use the same state language as state act. So right now the issue is. Is the alerta going to follow in sub division? right now the issue is That is the learning going to follow in subdivision But right now they I guess they could subdivide it, but they would have the problem that they're trying to remedy so it would be one It would be a simple one on which is what we approved We could the council ever since session time that that one Group if it stopped paying the losing sir. It's learned So now what would happen is if they subdivided it and that went through if one Group whoever bought one of those properties stopped paying everybody would lose their learn This will scan some of the insurance If I'm correctly, back then they approved one learner, and now you're looking for six separate to be converted. Yes. Yes. That's the way that's going to describe it. Yes, correct. I mean, it's off the same project though. It doesn't matter. What was originally done was done. So then I think what you need to do is come back and ask for a new one and Not changed one that was done in 2020 or whatever was done I understand why I would just be here to men into existing ones. I don't know about the same land did this person pay any taxes so far in all these years? They pay the grants every year. No improvements have happened. No improvements have happened. No, I understand that. Mr. Thornton, and then you have 17. I'm going to go back to my original question. I understand what you will, Mr. Schienz, that's the first half of the equation that we be offering remedies to the surviving five plot overs for the states, whatever you want to call it, of the sixth plot for the property where I walked away from the land. And then I'm just looking at down the road after that. Let's say we grant that remedy here. That helps out the other five property owners immediately. I'm going to attorney Schena. There's a county here under any obligation after that to develop a new learner when that The sixth property is bought again after the landlord who walked away in the county offered it up for tax sale. Are we obligated by the old learner on that six plot or is that canceled automatically and then we consider a new learner? How does that work down the road? That landlord would lose their would lose their learner for not paying taxes and then they would have to reapply. Somebody else would have to reapply to get that learner. A new learner for that plot. Okay. Thanks. Mr. Settown. As I understand this has improved four years ago. So there are already four years into the LOvrda. If we give them new L'Ovrda, we'd stop it on them. Am I wrong in that? Not necessarily. No, we can range that since years. We don't have to have a 10. The other side of the two is, was this L'Ovrda is zero for ten years? Yeah, see, and the ones we've been doing on this crown council, we've never been given that. So I would agree with Councilman Establish where they would have to turn a reapply for Lotus for all of something about the land. Agree. Miss McDowell. Just one more question, because we approved the murder for the Bill's or which is the Hazelton Creek Commerce Central things. So who are all the new owners? You know, we would act if they are. I mean, that's a sick umbrella. There's just an equity change from the L.A.C. Sounds like they're trying to make a move. Thank you. Any other questions from council members, I think? Mr. Hanks, this is Mr. Chairman. Yeah. I'm one of the people that voted against this in 2021, four years ago already. And where is it a different time, a different place? With our economy, with our other things happening? I would really like to see the firms come together, your firm, and your other principles that want to develop this property and we can negotiate the word. I don't know if I got some most appropriate, the most clean way to do this. This part is very controversial as everybody knows, for the past 20 years. I would feel more comfortable taking that with that fair. Any other comments from Council members? All right, thank you very much. Well, let's be on the agenda. I mean, it could be on the agenda as soon as two weeks from now, if you're intending to seek any other type of remedy or amendments or take the suggestions of health members then we obviously can have another work session. We can send this to committee, we can do all kinds of things with it. So, there. Oh, work with the Harry. If I get to Mr. Chair just check on it. And Mr. Choo, if you could take this back to the property owners, if you could develop a better scale for the learner because because as Mr. was said, what this is, this keeps on opportunities on 10 years tax-free tax rate, that's essentially not a learner, that's just a K-O-Z by a different name, and nobody's fooled by that. So I would feel more comfortable not playing this one in this form, Mr. Chair, for the next voting session. If you could negotiate with the management and just get us a better, a better schematic. I got to really appreciate a lot of Councilman Wood to the Councillors. Mr. Dorn? Yeah, just to be fair to you and your partners. If you insist and we would, we could, Mr. Chair, you could put it on the agenda to reach, but I'm just kind of taking a temperature here. Well, I understand. And you might not want to do that. I completely understand. I just want to do that. I just want to make sure I have the right information back. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Centino, you have something ready? I was just going to say we should take our time at the next infrastructure meeting and come up with these schedules. So they have a basis 12 of what we would prefer eventually. Yeah, seven, nine. And I'm much just in Cal's mind. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Number six, the Special Regorance Management, and a barcode of six administrative code and accordance with the home role charter of the Zartani National Security Council. Okay. Number six, the Special Regorance, meeting of Article 6 of Administrator Code, and accordance with the Home Rule Charter of the Reserve County Council. This is for God's sake. We can't re-soul, we can't re-soul, we can't re-soul, we can't re-soul, we can't re-soul, to do a specific overview of what we're trying to see. But this is something that I actually brought up in numerous presentations before Council in the government study commission. We are looking at our apartments and really trying to make them more efficient. And part of that is basically merging some departments. We did that with AMA and 911. We can be training together. They communicate better with one another. And this is something that these two departments, our departments, that really need to be working together and actually unified. So Dan, when have you gone into more of the particulars? Yeah, so thank you, and thank you, Councillor Perlitt, and we're listening to you tonight. Like Reynolds said, we're trying to do some efficienciesiencies here within the accounting set room and two per visit. We've worked very well together hard at the GIS mapping program and the planning zone. Right now, a lot of the work that we do in the GIS program, we do work on it to assist the planning zone program. And as you know, I've been building this area, that is only for four, one down 11 months. And towards... the planning zone apartment and as you know I've been building this the apartment zone for around 11 months and for all of 2024 there was hardly anyone applying for any of the positions in there and some of the ones that did apply when I understand anyone I didn't have a knowledge of requirements when we were in the department. So we had been speaking internally. And even back last May, we'll ask if we wanted to work with the department. I had my hesitance in terms of, but really these are two departments that are really fit. The only caveat is GIS and MAPAs and the industry researches work division planning zones and operations. When the charter was made in 2010, they kind of put GIS and the services because they work so hard to get that period of time. So that's kind of why I fell under the administrative services. But I'm going to just summarize some of the reasons why we're talking about the illnesses. My name is Fred and I'm the next decision making a group planning process to but a plan for the work. It's down from both offices with benefit for integration, as it allowed it to further their knowledge of the other offices and the work processes. So we'd be able to do cross-strain work out with the everyone's own and we had two of the most of the time that I was over there. But one just left. The end end of February, you can't even march, but you can see higher things. And a place where she had been in turn in the past, too. So it wasn't a surprise, but I thought, you know, it's hard to, there's a shortage of planters for you to have. So we can cross train some of the GIS analysts to help out in the thing, who's only and police in the coastal zone that will help alleviate some of the issues and congestion. Another issue, and this has been one that's been five days talking the entire time I've been in as the public. There's the fact that our metropolitan planning organization, RMPO, is staffed by lack of one planning and those are counting. There hasn't been much leadership involved with the MPO in the last eight years, at least as long as I've been here. And prior moving back to the MAPO, I worked for MPOPO I was a transportation chair on many levels and that was a good poster child for MPOs and the plan but there were a lot of things that we were able to bring over to RMP. One of them was we started putting together a new member orientation game, which is, you know, it's the lower-con progress takes time to put together a document like that, when it's to educate NPE award members, elected officials from both counties, and from the general public, just to understand the metropolitan planning process and how we help transportation, help improve the transportation of the church in the region. It's kind of hard, but right now we're updating our 2050 long range transportation plan. You're probably wondering how do you look out 25 years? It's hard, you know, looking at demographics and looking at market shifts. And you know, we have Baker and the National's of health and stuff like that. But that's one thing that's been very important to me, since I've been filling in there. So just one of the things that I'm urging the partners would be able to at least help maintain the integrity of the IPO and at least make it stronger and hopefully a future we'll be able to take a more of the planning passes that we have been putting out to us. And so it's just because we didn't have the institutional knowledge or the understanding of the process in the past. So these are know, these are two planters to use GIS a lot. Not necessarily here, but that's something that we've been working with. The zoning analyst that's there now, he's been very interested in working with the, he has educational background in GIS. We've been working on giving him a license so that he can update the county zoning layer because in the past 20 years there have been some zoning changes that occurred by no council and prior to that the commissioners that were mapped in planning the zoning office but on paper was never done on the GIS system so those things felt through the crash. We didn't know that, so we did not involve the zoning change with that in the past 20 to 20 years. So, you know, it's just. Combined with departments, against the middleman really, we do work hand in hand with the cleanings of the apartment. So we scan all the, some of the digital maps like the one over, they're recorded in the recorded beans office. They're approved by planning and zoning. And if you want to stop shop, just be glad you're planning about approved, recorded, and then scan in all of the office. Well, with the help of the board, it's obvious. So, yeah, if you have any questions, it just seems like this is something that makes no sense for more, it's been going on. Mr. Chairman. Just the question. I know the GIS class downstairs here, did that move yet? No. No, no. You't move over to a pet place or? Potentially. There's some logistic issues. I mean, I've been going back important to the local offices now for a lot of months. Do you think it should be able to come out? I think that's how it's going to go. Part of it doesn't want to make major shifts. And so that's my new economy. their analysis because especially moving something like GIS mapping over employees and a lot of equipment. So that's my new economy. The other thing that's very important, is because especially moving something like GIS, mapping over and place and a lot of equipment, you have to find the space. So I'm apprehensive to do later moves like that and get a recommendation from Pennsylvania, honestly. But this is just for first step to be honest, and absolutely upfront, we need a separate division and to bring in other departments. Because this will make communications easier and more efficient, we'll be able to streamline standing with cross training. And these departments, along with other departments that would go into this division, that I have a vision for really support market infrastructure. Ifructure is not just rural bridges. Infrastructure is developing the plan and zoning. That all goes into infrastructure and that goes all goes into economic development. So this is the first step to work that goal. We can't create a division where the government study is going on. And so we have to wait for whatever happens after the government study commission is finished and a new charter is voted on. but we can do this unification right now and really hit the ball the rope. Stephen? I have a couple of questions after your state manager for the moment. So this sounds amazing. And this sounds like we are, this is going to maximize the efficiency across the board, especially having the IS mapping, planning and zoning, having that loop of communication with impulse structure. It sounds great. I legitimately cannot think of any consequences to the combining of these areas. But when you said new division, can you elaborate on that one more? I think I miss some pieces there. Well, when I made that presentation before the government's study commission, I can't really recall what I called it. It was, I don't think it had anything to do with it. It really wasn't anything but it was innovation planning, zoning, mapping, infrastructure, something like that. All right, welcome on to some good. Yeah, I'll come up with something. But really, there's a number of departments that should be in there. I think the community development was one of them. So we really need to create a division that works all in one place. One division had overseeing all these plans. We have to wait, we have to wait for the government study in commissions to conduct and do something like that. Okay, and then it was one portion being like administration, the other being operations. What does that look like fiscal? And you like as we sort of plan that idea? I can't give you numbers right now, but if we do cross-training, we'll be saving money. And there are positions that we just have not enabled to improve and improve the cross-training. And we streamline this department and the workforce will be able to actually have more competitive salaries where we can get pretty equal in rather than having these kind of sidewalk job descriptions. So that's the plan. Thank you. 17 would I know the new division is far off but would the new division include something like environmental services and community development. Yes. Thank you. Any other questions from council members? So now it's going to be in operations Yes. Yeah, that's right now. If you look at our administrative services in about less time, if you look at all the departments that were thrown in to administrative services, there is no rhyme or reason for and we need to have, we need to have a rhyme and a reason for our division and the department that are in the position. I'm sure. All right. Any questions? Thank you very much. Thank you Mr. Reese. Finally, we have a formal hom housing presentation by Rashida Lovely. Good evening, Council members. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Rashida Lovely and I'm a single business owner and CEO of the nonprofit that's active located in Mcone County. And I represent roughly 15 organizations, small businesses, social service providers, farms who were looking to put together an affordable housing project. And so this project is one that focuses on clean energy. It also focuses on green technology, which includes about change in innovation. So as you know, Missouri County, like my share of Pennsylvania, is experiencing a low-wing housing crisis, rising construction costs, energy expenses, and limited inventory have made it increasingly difficult for working families, seniors, and young professionals to finance this thing before it becomes. We believe that this challenge cannot be solved in a traditional method. So our vision is to see a new model of housing before online, which offers reds and medium household incomes of target cities, net zero energy use, as well as net zero utility bills, and also a decentralized energy monitoring system, which would be powered by blockchain technology. This would ensure transparency, efficiency, and long-term cross-statements for both residents and the local government. So there's a couple of key features. So we're looking for these new homes that will come alive to be built with passive housing design, which would get us some reduced energy use. And we all know that our utility grids are being over-utilized. And so this would be one of the ways we can reduce energy use. We would also like to incorporate energy such as single power, smart grid technologies as well as gemic systems, because we do live in a very cold region and solar alone that can knock through the trip. And we also want to incorporate atmospheric originators. So on the smart monitoring side, we would like to incorporate within each housing unit IoT centers and systems that were developed called called root and it's a block seed ledger for optimized operations and protocol. It will track NGUs and carbon savings and will offer residents insight and control over the utilities as well as feeding an analyzed data into a blockchain ledger. So the economic opportunity. This project will learn local jobs in construction because we will require at least 50% of all new jobs that are created will have to be in the target cities in which these housing units will be born online and so that's the general idea of how the project will work and what we're asking for from visitor and county folks is to help us with guidance, permitting guidance, potential collaboration in infrastructure planning and my final block before any questions that there are any. This project isn't just about building buildings, it's about building resilience, creating opportunity and setting a new standard for how communities can grow sustainably. Lizard County has the chance to be a leader in this phase of everything, and we welcome your partnership, and we'd be happy to present further technical and financial details at your meeting. All right, thank you very much. Health and Resonance questions. Thank you for your presentation. I just had a couple questions. Is this a pilot program or is this a project you've been doing already in other areas or? So this will be a pilot program. How we have it set now, 2025 is meant to be a year for administration, building relationships and partnerships. And 2026 was meant to be a year for the initial pilot. We are doing construction in Macaron County and now we'll see if you have here in Lizardin County. We don't want to to put that in our mind because we want to focus on the technology integration to make sure it works. And then once we get all the kinks out in 2027, we would like to introduce this in a larger scale in the in-bring on developers who could then see a wait for work as far as like financially. Actually, so I think there's nobody would second guest or more of here, everybody around the table once housing affordable to everybody. And I'm just curious, now you say you bring it on your developers who want to participate and develop as that, what you're doing. So we have a regional committee, which is made up of engineers, contractors, we have two sets and from the Carpenters Union and we have community organizations that will all come together and they will make the decision of who comes on board to do the development who we bring in as far as like to excuse me the technology portions and the green energy portions. So they will have the ultimate decision making power. And like I said, it's about roughly 15 different folks that will make an end decision. And across La Cormando, Le Cern, White Plum Day, carbon in Monroe County. And the final question there, Mr. Chair. So, it's just an idea of concept you're floating by. Loser County officials tonight, or is your vision, does your vision include down the road, Loser County adopting some type of formal legislation here, with requirements of the building industry, to ensure that they build a certain coast such as building green construction and certain types of clean energy, as you said. Is that what you're seeking from Council down the road here? Ultimately, we're looking to introduce legislation at the State Wendell. We are talking to the State Grants about that now. And we are looking for support for that, because ultimately, we'd like to see if anyone in any developer's common, maybe they're looking for tax of maintenance or any type of grants, that they would be required to put passive housing design as part of their development so that we can guarantee that the utility bills are either zero or close to or that we can reduce energy costs because ultimately just as far as the rents being afford was not enough, utility bills are out of control and so is food, so we're going to get the cost of everything down and that's one of the ways we do that. Okay, thank you. Miss La Blanche have one or two questions. So you mentioned that in this you're having discussions with multiple counties. Yes. That correct. You said in Black and Wanda you're doing new construction. Yes. That's the intent or is that already happening? So we've started that. We've acquired lands and we are working with the land bank Department of Economic Development and we're starting that process now. We should be working to start building next year. And again, the goal here is not to do new construction. It's very expensive. We're looking to do rehabilitation here. And it's actually a good idea to do different types of models in different counties so that we can get a better idea of how this thing will work in general. Okay, that was part of my other question is that you're planning a new construction at WACO on it. You're wanting to do rehab type construction here in Woodson. You should certainly reach out to our landbanks as well because they have no more properties that can be rehabbed into what you're looking for. I did't have one other question. I know you mentioned before about getting utility costs down to zero or close to zero. How would you balance that with the expense of say, whatever these green energy technologies are, because as we all know, they are fairly expensive, especially in a local, residential housing situation. How do you balance that? So in a pilot, we are not actually looking to do single-family homes. We're looking to do apartment buildings because we can work this year there. And then in 2027, Apple would be to come up with a better plan for single-family, model does not work for single family homes at the time. Okay, thank you very much. That answered all my questions. Anybody else have questions? Ms. Krishnam's, can you have a question? Well, I kind of had me do, I just can't believe you're doing everything. We're in that. It's just so fantastic. I just have to say that I've brought up front and I wish you all the luck in the world and if anything I can do it out by wood. But moving forward, you're trying to do apartments or there and then houses. So is this gonna be like an additional housing? Transitional housing or do permanent homes or like what's the idea behind them? So initially, because as a pilot, I'll go with to create apartments that will help for families. So we're looking for what we call place-based housing. We would like to find properties that are getting institutions. So we have some time at Anchoring, but we have a scrantant that I'd like to give that as an example. In the city of Sranpton, where the media is, we require the man there and the goal is to build three better apartments for families so that the children can just walk across the street and go to school. And this is another way to get the walkability index hired and carpentry admissions loan and so we will be looking to do that type of housing initially. So wherever we were able to secure some properties here, we would have the same type of model. And then after that, once we're able to scale it out, they will be looking for transitional with necessary or whatever is needed with demographics. Any other questions? All right, thank you very much. Thank you. Hi, public comment. Mr. Kerr. Peter, the council. I want to tack on to Mr. Hobbler's concern about the Rundeck machine. I would choose it the demonstration Mr. Sabatino. The question I have is, I think the funding is an issue. The money's come up from the election and the tech regent. That budget was given a council or was not given a council, I don't know. I don't think that $1,000 was allocated in that budget for that. So my question for council is, as the fiduciary responsibility of this county, that we authorize as a council to spend $1,000 from the election integrity by a drop-off that's not legislatively authorized by the general assembly. That's the first question. The second question that I have about the drop-off is, it's so different than the ones we're using currently, except it has a camera. And to Mr. Lee's scavenger's point, I put my hand over the camera. I tested that very issue. And I was told that there's cameras in the lobby. Well, if there's cameras in the lobby, why do we need the machine? It's doing the same thing. And there's no safe guard to stop more people from dropping more than one hour in that box at any given moment. and that's what the Outcry has been for the public. And every meeting for the election board since the boxes were put in in 2021. There's no safeguard if your people drop one in one ballot in that box even the one with the camera. Other than a scanning the ballot which isn't actually nothing if you come in with a post no put it over the camera just nothing to see're going to rely on the camera in a lot of these, doesn't that what we did with the metal box? And the metal box costs us $1,000 or more. We bought four of them. There's two sitting in the warehouse that's not even being used. But I don't think it's the two that we have, so we can offset the cost of the ones that we bought. What's the maintenance agreement on this rendezvous machine? It's a $12,000 machine, but I'm sure there's a maintenance agreement on it. I have a thank, so I try to machine it, get this for maintenance agreement. I just don't see the reason to buy the machine. It's not any different than the metal ones. Really, it's not. Other than they have an electronic gadgetry. The gadgetry, this says, ooh, ah, when you put your ballot in, that's about the only thing I see that's a benefit. So if it's beneficial and it's great and if the ballot papers are in a scan and you can't put more than one in and it's a security issue, I get all of that. But as I demonstrated it, Mr. San Matino was there with other people. I don't see that happening. So I put the questionnaire in the slot instead of the ballot. And the question was, well, you could do that, but it doesn't count. That's not my issue. My issue is who's tampering with the machine. That was my issue. And if we can't make sure that the machine's not being tampered with what's the census spent in $12,000 of taxpayers money from the grant, that we could put using from the grant to fund issues that we need to do with the grant. Like hiring more co-workers or hiring more staff on the Bureau, the staffing levels down, those kind of things are usually issued. So just consider that. I think this council needs to be more proactive in that past legislation, since we won't spend money. Thank you for your drop boxes. Thank you. I don't want to turn this into a political debate because this is a decision that the board needs to make and I'm not running for office. The monies are not from the election of the tech grant that would be used in general for monies. All right. Any other questions? Any audience? I just want to ask a few questions. I think everything. Everybody would agree that Brian Thorne and she give her. Thank you. I second that. Hey, back. That'll be in the executive session next time. All right. We have Mr. Raybo. Your chair of the year makes the bar of Raybo able to speak. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I'd like to thank you, Council, for, you know, and especially Council the National Assembly, the National Assembly, the National Assembly, the National Assembly, the National Assembly, they knew to read and go see a new word of, because as stated in 2021, when the developer came in front of council, he very, he barely answered any questions to that council with regards to the contaminants that were dumped into the Old City landfill To be reclaimed and if there will be any problems with respect to When the ground was when the ground is broken in terms of buildings being developed on that horse on that parcel on that property. So I think the council needs to make it very clear to the public, especially to the people who live in South Aebelton City that their groundwater is not going to be impacted if the ground is broken for the construction. I hope the council will, and Office of Law will find out, and Manager Burkamo will find that out definitively. With respect to the presentation on four housing, Mr. Chairman, this sounds like the pine-stite theory that was given by the Institute in their report to council a few months back with respect to the housing situation. I mean, they also made pine-stite theories. They even said that illegal buildings, illegal conversions of single family homes into rental units was a good thing. I mean, Mr. Chairman, come on. I mean, to have blockchain energy utilized, I mean for energy purposes, for even apartment buildings, if that isn't pine the sky sky, I got a bridge to West Nanaco to sell you for at all. Okay, so if you really believe that, I don't know what to tell you, but I believe fossil fuels right now is the deepest, most efficient way of providing energy to apartment buildings as we speak. I mean, once maybe if Elon Musk could create something that has blockchain energy or any kind of renewable energy, that could sustain apartment buildings, work those in fossil fuels. I'll be rolling here. Thank you, Mr. Raybud. Until then, I think that's time to sky. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Raybud. I do have one email that we received. This is from Carol Rosser from Ross Township. Dear Luzard County Council, I'm a resident of Ross Township and I've recently been informed our county is a possession of monies to improve roads and access to bikes in our township. Value of $76,500 from the multi-bola program and a promise match of $232,960 from Luznet Town. I understand that the current designation for these Moneys has been focused on creating a bike slash walk lane on Broad Road for the Skirt Road to Booth Road for approximately one plus mile. I went in the town for 25 years and traveled this portion of Broadway Road. No worse times I've never seen anyone biking or walking for recreation, this portion of roadways. This area includes a steep curvy hill named Lech Hill and is sparsely populated with no parking benefits for those who would want to start their exercise here. If we are going to utilize this money in the most efficient manner, it would make sense to evaluate the need of such a plan. This area of Broadway Road is not utilized as an area of recreation, so that's not waste, precious resources, all funds on it. Instead, I proposed creating the bike slash walk lane in an area that has been well established, recreation area in Roskowchit for many years. On main road, Sweet Valley, which continues directly to Broadway Road, we have Roskowchit Park It has parking and baseball diamonds and following West from there for approximately a mile. We have the Fish Commission recreation area at Harris Pond. We have a walking trail behind the Church of Christ and we have the Sweet Valley Fire Hall where every year Memorial Day fair happens. People are always walking along the stretches of main road and biking. This would approximate one-plus miles as well. Or if you would start a bike walk lane at the Ross Elementary School folks could park there and bike slash walk back and forth traveling east towards the Byronal Fracturesize. This also created safe space for pedestrians and fairer attendees as our fragrance follows this direction. I walk these paths frequently myself. These suggestions would be a much more appreciated and worthwhile use of these funds. At once, why at the time, Sweet Valley had a small section of sidewalk in these areas. And it would be nice to have such an accommodation now. I feel my proposal will also fit well in timing with the long range, promise reconstruction, repaving of Sweet Valley May Road, in which you are currently putting out bids for at least I sincerely hope you are. As a resident of this small town, by certainly will be happy to see these two projects take shape in the near future. Thank you for securing funds to make it happen. I urge you to consider my input wisely making these decisions to benefit most of the citizens of Ross Township. Any other anything else from the... Mr. Hoss, good morning, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to celebrate one of our own, Allen Stout, from burial. He's been inducted into the Wizard of County Arts and the Navy Hall of Fame. So I think we've been adjourned with that good news tonight. Thank you. That was an amazing job towards the Bureau. Just what he's done with rock in the river, rock in the mountain alone is to be committed. Alright, that good work, Washington, German, it's not so good. My favorite? Hi, I'm a host, he's German. Thank you very much.