Welcome to the March 10th, 2025 planning and zoning board meeting of the City of Oakland Park. Leah, could we have a roll call please? Member gross. Here. Member King. Here. Member Peterson. Here. Vice Chair Revelli. Here. Chair Dory. Yeah, here. Could we have a stand please for a pledge to the flag and walls which are like to lead us. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, and nation under the invisible liberty and justice for all. I see we've got our sign back. Oh, we did. Thank you, everyone. I have notes here here presentations. Are there any presentations? I guess not. Okay. Oh my sheet is different from yours. So the Broward next update. So I guess the city's making presentation. Yes. Good evening, Mr. Chair and members of the board and Mr. City Attorney, Rick Buckeye, planning supervisor. Yes, on tonight's agenda, we have a presentation from Barbara Blake Boye, who is the executive director of the Broward County Planning Council, which is the overarching governing planning body for the entire county with their future land use element and the future land use map, as well as the Broward County traffic ways plan. So she's here tonight to give us a presentation concerning the county's land use plan, which is also known as Broward Next. So she's going to give us an overview of all the elements and all the future endeavors that we're taking upon the new new new new Lake Boy and the Executive Director of the Barred County Planning Council and it's a pleasure to be here this evening. Thank you to the City staff for extending the invitation. I'm going to give you an overview of what we're calling Barred Nax. It's the update of the Barred County Lannus Plan and when Sierra and I were talking prior to when I was preparing the presentation, I'm going to go a little bit more into detail about the relationship between the Barred County Lannutes Plan and the City of Oakland Park Lannutes Plan. And what that kind of, what that entails. Because I think it's very important to have a perspective on what the differences and similarities of those two plans are. So first, I'm talking about the Barrard County Charter. Since the 1970s, Barrard County has had a county-wide role in land use planning. And that was affected with the 1974 vote and then the adoption of the 1975 charter, which said that Barrard County will have county-wide land use authority. And when we think about what the county was like in the 1970s, really starting to grow. Lower density, really auto-oriented design, suburban and nature. So any of the updates to the county plan, we start shifting that relationship to where we are today. Higher densities, more focus on transit, and bicycle access and the transportation network. Suburb and still in nature, but more city centers coming into play like where we're sitting here in Oakland Park. This is your kind of designated downtown or city center where you're anticipating higher densities for your city development, and redevelopment opportunities. So we touched on the 1974 charter. The Barred County Planning Council is the local planning agency to the Barred County Commission. So as you sit as the Planning and Zoning Board for the city of Oakland Park, the planning council sits in that role for the County Commission when they review and take actions on countywide land use plan amendments that come through the cities. The county land use plan was first adopted in 1977. So the charter established the Planning Council and the countywide authority, there was the first plan in 1977. Along comes the 1985 growth management legislation, and then we have a 1989 plan because it has to be updated to reflect all of the changes that are required now by that new legislation. From 1989 to 2017, the county plan was amended scores of times through the years pending city applications to the map, text amendments to keep up with legislation or just to reflect more modern planning principles. So in 2014, the County Commission, the Planning Council decided we need to have a holistic look at the plan because that hasn't been done since 1989, 40 years ago. So we took off on the Sendevar to really strike through the entire plan and its roles and reformulate the entire plan to move away from this kind of suburban trend and style that we're talking about from the 1970s. And then the relationship to the municipal plans is as I was saying, so every local government and every municipality has to be at least as restrictive as the county plan. So the county plan sets the max and then the city plans can be at least as restrictive and then there's flexibility built into those city plans for them to be able to really of, sorry, direct growth to areas that they want to direct growth in through the use of some local tools. But the local plans can always be more restrictive. They just always have to be at least as restrictive as the county plan, except for these flexible rules and discretion that they have. The next slide is I just wanna show you, this is a breakout of the county plan on the lower right and the city plan on the upper left. When you look at the legends, they're very similar, but there are properties that are lower density than permitted on the county plan. The city plan, you see more red on the county plan and that's because one of the things that the last-barbered next did was combine the industrial, commercial, employment center and office part categories into a single category. And what that did was it allows the local governments to either keep those individual categories and maybe expand their uses so that a county land use plan isn't required every time a non residential use is changing. So that was one of the big things. In the blue area on the county plan where we're sitting today is your initial activity center and we know that you expanded the boundaries as you can see kind of see on the city plan in the hatched area, expanded the boundaries, and we probably don't have to go into too much detail of the delay from the school board educational mitigation agreement, but that will be recognized on the county plan once that is resolved. So that's why the blue area is limited on the county plan, but we are prepared to expand it. The amendments already been processed at the county. So every city has their own boundaries, and they have to be at least as restrictive as the land uses on the county plan. This is just taking us through the adoption process for land use plan amendments. And I know it's hard to read, so this will be available to you, but it's just a quick full chart starting with a municipal process. And the municipal process essentially mirrors the county process. An application is filed and your staff brings it to you as the local planning agency. You make a recommendation as the advisory board to the city commission on whether or not that land use plan amendment should be approved and then it goes to the city commission and they have to if it requires a county land use plan amendment that's where they begin this process on this flow chart planning council that once the application is filed with us planning council holds its public hearing and makes a recommendation to the county commission and if's a small scale, that goes directly for an adoption consideration. And if it's greater than 50 acres, then it has to go through the chapter 163 statutory process. So it goes through a 30 day review period at the state before it comes back for consideration for adoption. Small scale shortens that cycle as I previously mentioned. So many amendments to the city's plan also require a county-lenuous plan amendment. So with that I just want to give you the foundation of the city and county plan and how they work together. I will take you through kind of where we are growing as a continued grows barred county. But again, look at the history. Here's Barred County in the 1400s. And kind of like see some blobs. It's the start of Fort Lauderdale kind of there in the center. You see Digny Beach and Hollywood starting to the south. But what we do see also is the waterway system. Already kind of established. So that was the first transportation system, I think, for talking about Breard County. So fast forward to 1915 when the county's incorporated. Just under 5,000 residents, and you can see Fort Lauderdale really starting to grow to the west. 1980s important because that's when the county population hits 1 million residents, and you can see there's still much vacant land um this is for many of you I'm assuming many of you have lived in Barrick County most are all of your lives um and some of you were around in the 1990s after Hurricane um Andrew hit and that's really when the explosion started in the southwest area of the county um kind of up that western Pembroke-Kines Miramar area. Here we are 2024. We're just under two million residents and basically there's not a whole lot of vacant land left. Population projections through 2050 are estimating anywhere between 215 and 315 to 15 on the conservative side. We have 294 on the slide. So what does that tell us? We still have to plan for future growth of the county. As I mentioned, the county is almost built out. So many, much of this land that's here, very small parcels in fill development throughout the county. Future land use designations. The one land use designation that's not on this map. So this is the whole county. Future land use west of the development boundary is all conservation. So the western two thirds of the county is undeveloped conservation water supply lands. So just because this is a cutout, I don't have that on there. But I think people often forget that kind of lose sight that we do have 2 thirds of the county that will remain undeveloped. This is just a map for low residential and high residential. Just to kind of that much of the county It's about 65% has an underlying residential land use the yellow is this lower density primarily single-family homes So this is a good tool. I think just to get a a picture of what the challenges and redevelopment and development are going to be there's so little so little vacant land left. Much of the county is low density residential. And even when there's higher residential, a lot of that's developed. So we're going to mostly be seeing a redevelopment product. And what kind of tools can we look forward? And we're also dealing with resiliency planning, planning, climate change, and all those different factors. So I'm gonna take you through a quick run through of what happened for the 2017 adoption, and then take you through what we're planning and proposing that to take what the next-broward next update will be. So as I mentioned, the entire plan was struck through for the 2017 adoption. So we refocus the plan. What are the really important regional issues from the county's perspective when considering countywide and county land use plan amendments? So climate change resilience, climate action plan, utilization of priority planning area maps, and that's a map that that identifies areas that could be subject to sea level rise a 3.3 feet by 2070. So. planning area maps. And that's a map that identifies areas that could be subject to sea level rise, a 3.3 feet by 2070. So that's adopted in the plan. And that's primarily east of the term pike where that map, it doesn't mean that other areas aren't subject to that, but that's what the focus of that map is. And I'll get a little bit into what we of, we can anticipate for an update for that with the next update. The identification and adoption of adaptation action areas, which is in this case right now is only the Sandby pass project at Port Everglades, but the tool is available on the plan to identify these areas that need a higher level of resiliency planning. Targeted redevelopment was a focus of the 2017 update and that did things like, I mean, it just hit some of the highlights. What I was talking about, streamlining the commercial industrial employment center and office categories, retaining golf course conversion review requirements, such as anything for open space, and then retaining compatibility review requirements for the ensuring that any new development would not negatively infect basically single family, residential or established development patterns, but recognizing that redevelopment could introduce a new development pattern into the area. Multimodal really focused the plan on complete streets, policies, retaining port and every aviation. the trafficways plan that Rick mentioned when when he was introducing me is really it's been such a valuable tool for the county Established in the late 1950s and it was really the foresight to establish a right-of-way preservation plan Ford-Barrard County was basically based on the section township range lines But the county county and the cities have benefited through that, you know, for almost 70 years to be able to have access to right of way in most cases without having to purchase it. So it's been a really valuable tool. And I think as we move into this as we move into and we've been in this redevelopment phase, it's important to note that traffic ways don't have to be used for vehicle lanes only, they can be used for any mode of transportation, but it does set the right-of-way preservation. Natural resource protection and enhancement, the county's always had a very robust natural resource program. A lot of that's found in the county code of ordinances. The counties maintain the three acres per thousand permanent residents. So every city as they come in for land use plan amendments has having to demonstrate that they will have sufficient open space to serve their residents. Opposition to fracking, some compatible urban agriculture. For affordable housing, when the Pocounty Plan was updated in 2017, it really showed up the Affordable Housing Density Program for any committed affordable housing. And then that was even updated, subsequent to that, to really try to make incentivize affordable housing through that. So those formulas were also updated. The ability for local governments to count efficiency in smaller units as a half unit instead of a whole unit when they're looking at development and redevelopment opportunities. And then also any alternative construction techniques that would meet the Florida building code supported by the plan. Then under renewed intergovernmental partnership, these are just many of the things that we were talking about earlier about flexibility rules. It authorized a new transfer of development rights program that did not previously exist in Barrett County. And the incentive for that is that density can be transferred, but then the remaining property needs to either be open space, something for historical purposes, an environmentally sensitive land or whatever it may be. And then also revising the plotting requirements, increasing the threshold to eliminate some of the pletting requirements. So what we really saw was a shift to more regional policy issues. And I think we've seen success because we have seen a reduced number of Howard County land use plan amendments since the adoption of this plan. Significantly fewer, but still active enough that it's a tool, but we I think we've seen success with the policies. So since the adoption of the plan as I mentioned the county plan continues to be updated. So since 2017 some of the highlights of things that have happened since then a seawall ordinance throughout the county always updating the priority planning area map which is the map by reference 3.3 feet of sea level rise by 2070. Bonus density formulas were updated residential by right and commerce and activity centers with an affordable housing component or a buyout. Those are the same formulas that are used in the previous bonus density formula. Expanded resiliency review into the regional climate action plan, so always recognizing climate action plans whether it's regional or the local and including that in the review of land use plan amendments, and established residential by right in the community land use as long as there is an affordable housing requirement, And then also in the residential by right and commerce and activity centers, expanding that policy even to include within a half a mile of passenger rail stations. So the reason I'm here tonight besides that historical perspective is to let you know we're working again on an update of the county plan. And this update, so it's been seven years since the last, we have a policy saying every seven years, we're going to do a thorough review and update the plan. We will not be striking through the entire plan this time. Instead, we've really focused on what we need to do to keep this plan modern, relevant, and as an incentive tool for the local governments. So that's been our focus as we've been working on this and reaching out to interested parties. So there's some new ideas, not new for planning, but new ideas for the area to memorialize single occupancy residential that kind of ties into that half unit that I was talking about for smaller units. Additional costifications for bonus density to be available in. So really the theme here in the slide is expanding opportunities for both affordable housing, density and density, giving those ideas to the local government for them to enforce and to input as they feel would be valid for their local government. The last bullet is related to dashed line areas which are a tool really from the 1970s that was really meant for golf courses or planned unit development. And one of the ideas that we're looking at in the framework is how we modernize that tool for it to be available for redevelopment opportunities because we know many golf courses have been going away, but how do we treat that as a modern tool from the 1970s and how can we keep it effective today. Also considering, fewer, sorry, additional plotting exemptions. One of the ones that we're really looking at right now is how do we exempt affordable housing opportunities from plotting requirements. So we're reviewing that. That first bullet is the consideration of mixed use residential for lands 25 units and an acre and over because right now they can have commercial or office by right if it's in the restructure but we're trying to create an opportunity where it could be horizontal integration also. And that would be a tool that could allow the cities not to use some of their flexibility rules or not to have to think about doing a county amendment. So those are two of the things and then the third thing on this slide is related to when you're going through a county land use plan amendment and you're proposing more than 100 units, you are subject to a higher review. And right now, if you don't meet the strategies, if you don't meet the study requirement, you can buy out or make a commitment for affordable housing. So if you make a commitment for affordable housing, it's set at 15% right now. And if you buy out, it's $1 per square foot per dwelling unit. And when that formula went into place about 10 years ago, you know, that was kind of what could be agreed upon by local governments. But what we're seeing is the 214 policy that I touched on, which is residential by right and commerce, requires an over $10,000 per unit buyout of if you don't want to have an affordable housing component. And that generally goes into a pool to either cause the construction of or the preservation of affordable housing through gap financing, tax credits, whatever it may be. So there's a consideration of mimicking that same buy-out rate for county-launched pun amendments and then that those monies could be split between the city and county for these gap financing and tax credit opportunities. Other strategies that are being considered elimination and some of these go beyond the planning council and our other agencies. So consideration of the elimination of the the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to put it in the platform. I'm going to some people in this room who are very familiar with the Platinum Amendment process and how onerous it may or may not be. So I think we're on a positive path to start the revision of that. Consideration of parking reductions to promote affordable housing, redevelopment opportunities that would fall in the local governments that's related to zoning and site plan But this is some of the input that we've gotten for the planning council continued examination of additional residential by right and other permitted uses and I think we're coming down on probably not expanding the permitted uses but expanding the opportunities where residential is already permitted Is where we've been looking at staff. There is a consideration of increase to residential density cap for affordable housing. That's a great idea. Right now, unless you're in an activity center or on a commercial piece of land, commerce piece of land, you're limited to 50 dwelling units per acre. If you have direct access to an arterial you're likely able to support a higher density than that by building bulk form and height. The school impact fee reductions and exemptions also there's many people in this room that can probably tell you about that process and the county plan will certainly support the school board granting an actual exemption for fees for affordable housing because they have a very limited formula right now and for the statute permits them to have an unlimited formula. So I think there's going to be a continued push for that. Mixed mixing requirements for county plans were definitely pursuing that expansion of accessory dwelling units. Right now, Florida Statute requires that you have an affordable housing affidavit. If you are proposing an accessory dwelling unit, there's been suggestion to eliminate that affordable housing requirement from the county, so we'll be reviewing that also. And then just general expansion of redevelopment rights and that kind of all of these things about it fall into that. For resiliency planning, this is I think a really strong side for you to read later, but really like as I was saying, how do all of these things work together? Resiliency planning, affordable housing, redevelopment, so ensuring that the county plan is laying out the protections for residents and visitors to Barrett County. Resilience again, many, many bullets here, but kind of the same thing. And really when we get to something like discouraging large surface parking lots, we're seeing a lot of redevelopment opportunities occur where there's these surface parking lots and where developers are willing to put a parking garage in to really try to maximize the use of the lands. And then complete streets, standard, that's important because if we can't move throughout the county, we're not going to be able to get to work, get to school, get where you're going. Transportation, continuing to support complete streets, but really shifting the focus back towards pedestrian bicycle, it says vehicle because you still have to account for vehicles because cars aren't going away, but shifting the focus, prioritizing people over automobiles. Focused on transit pedestrian and bicycle, support the municipal consideration of alternative parking technologies, cool materials, perhaps granting density bonuses or intensity bonuses if those know those kinds of materials are being used. These are just some of the ideas. And with that I would wrap it up. We have everything posted on our website. Any presentations, we went through a series of subject matter expert presentations where we had people from the government side and the private side talking about affordable housing over a couple of days talking about resiliency planning where we had professors people in the industry government Dr. Hrado from Barred County, you know giving presentations and kind of ideas on what to pursue in the county plan So you can find that on our website public or interested party comments that have been published today are also posted there and then we'll be having our next meeting with the steering committee of the planning council on March 27th and they'll see a first draft of policy considerations that we're drafting and they'll see the second piece at their April meeting and And I'm sure after the April meeting, we'll be sending it out to all the local governments and interested parties for additional comment for that prior to it going to a public hearing at the planning council. And so, like I said, my name's Barbara Blakeboy. I'm always available if you have any questions. I forgot to put the slide on there with my contact information, but my phone number, my drug line is 954-357-6982, and I'd be happy to speak to any of you anytime or if you have a homeowner's association that you'd like us to come to, we're available for that also. Oh yeah, that's okay. You can text me, but that's my work line, so I won't get it. Oh yeah that's okay well you can text me but that's my work line so I won't get it but yeah but yeah I'm happy to come to any any events that you have. Oh thank you so much. Thank you. And we had you to speak with us. This is a very informative. Does the board have any questions? Please. Just a quick question. And you touched on a little bit, but with regards to the increased densities and all that, and you touched on traffic, how does Broward next, how much are they working in conjunction with the traffic patterns, the abysmal lack of public transportation, the even worse traffic signaling because of anybody who has to commute any more than a mile through anywhere in Broward County knows it's next to impossible? So every time I see something like this which is fantastic and thank you so much for the presentation. It was very educational. But how does Broward next, how are they working with, you know, the transportation issues that we have here, not just public, but, you know, the average person who has to commute? And I know that, you know, some roads are cities, some are counties, some are states. So there's a whole bunch of bureaucracy that has the, but, you know, I think it's really, I think it's a layered approach. So it's one thing if you're coming in for a county land use plan amendment, there's a whole bunch of bureaucracy that has to. Yeah. Well, I think it's really, I think it's a layered approach. So it's one thing if you're coming in for a county land use plan amendment, there's an analysis that's done. It's a review. You may or may not trigger a model run from the Metropolitan Planning Organization so we can see what your estimated impact to the regional transportation network. So from a land use perspective, that's our kind of our first step. How many trips is it projected to what's the net effect? And sometimes that's disappointing to the residents because it may be a non-residential property that still has development, right? Even if it's been vacant the whole time that you've ever driven past it, right? It's been vacant. There's still rights that are assigned to that. So at the land use process it's really, it's a mix of things. If you have this land use plant amendment trigger and we need a model run, you know, then that's kind of like our starting place. Once it moves past land use, so if there is not an adverse impact, then you're moving into zoning and site plan. And that's where you're going to get the more specific studies than the land use. Because land use is just an authorization of the variety of uses that you may have. So there are policies in the county plan, like I was saying, really shift to focus on bicycle pedestrian and transit. How can we incorporate these longer range transit plans into their house? really shift to the focus on bicycle pedestrian and transit. How can we incorporate these longer range transit plans into there? How can we make sure that the public's going to have access to it? It's supported by policy. So it's definitely a challenge, and there's no magic answer. But it's all of the things coming together, traffic engineering, transit, and I feel like just as a resident, not necessarily as a planner, it feels like a lot of days there's a disconnect between all of those. So from a planning perspective on policy, I think we do our best policy wise. Many of these issues do fall on the local government because even if they're not going through the county, they're supposed to be a sufficiency test for public facilities and services, which transportation certainly falls into that. So that's my non-answer for your question. But I think it's certainly recognized. It doesn't go without recognition of it's a challenge. And you know, you cure the discussion of, if we can just get people out of your cars, well, I know I'm never going on my car, right? I know how far from work I live and how long it's gonna take me and where I would have to walk to take transit. So I'm getting a hive from saying that out loud. It's kinda, but I mean, it really is. And it's certainly a challenge. Thank you. Just one quick question. So the revisions in the updates you're looking at, when would we actually see those come to fruition? When might we see those? I would say so we haven't started the public hearing process yet so I'm it looks like June would be the first planning council hearing so they would be the planning council would make a recommendation the county commission and then the county commission would likely see it after their summer break because they don't have planning council meets after the last meeting for a county commission. We're anticipating an end date and adoption date March, April, next year for the policy revisions to come to fruition. And there'll be copious opportunities to participate in public hearings and you know to submit comments. Great, thank you. Thank you very much. this point, as reminded by our Vice Chair, Scott Revelli, thank you, Scott. I want to welcome our new Assistant City Manager and congratulate him on his promotion, Andrew time's, so welcome, Andrew, congratulations. And I'll say congratulations to Riff Buckai for being made. Is it senior supervisor, senior planner? What is the new title? Planning supervisor. Planning supervisor, congratulations. Thank you very much. Sure. Thank you. Next is approval of the minutes for February 10th 2025. Are there any additions or corrections? It's their motion to approve make a motion to approve I'll second can we have a real colleague, please member cross. Yes Yes. Member King? Yes. Member Peterson? Yes. Vice to Rivelli? Yes. Chair Dorn? Yes. And thank you again, Leah, for your great minutes. Next is public comments. This is regarding general city business. There will be an opportunity our next agenda. the public hearing correct so any comments that anyone wants to make for the next agenda item there will be an opportunity to do so at that time this is specifically for general city related business anyone who'd like to speak please step forward and you have up to four minutes to speak. Seeing no one, now close the public comments and move on to the next agenda items and over to our city attorney. Public hearing to consider an application by Cypress Creek leaseholder LLC, requesting a consideration in the master development plan approval in the plan commerce center district with plan business center sub-district for the development of 25,000 square feet. Commercial use per section 2455 and the granting of 286 flexibility housing units pursuant to section 2472 for the subject property located at the southwest corner of East Cypress Creek Road and Interstate 95 identified with parcel identification numbers 494210460020 and 494210460021 and the consideration of the following city commission waivers to approve the increase in maximum building height from four stories or 50 feet to eight stories or 88 feet six inches. Waver to approve pursuant to section 2455E1 to reduce the required 10 gross acres of continuous land to 8.497 gross acres of continuous land. Weaver to approve a waiver pursuant to section 2455G1 for the reduction in the minimum front setback on the north side of the property. Weaver to approve a waiver pursuant to section 2455G1 for the reduction in the minimum setback on the west side for the residential mix use building from the required 15 feet to 11.1 feet to accommodate an architectural overhang. Waiver to approve the increase of number of free standing monument signs from 1 to 2 per frontage pursuant to section 24148, table 2A, and the landscape waiver adjustment to reduce to 25 foot landscape area along any trafficway street or major thoroughfare Per section 2455 F2 of the code 25 foot area has been reduced to 11.1 feet along East Cyprus road Thank you. That was one of the longest ones I remember yes There's a city have a presentation. Yes, we do Mr. Chair. We have our senior planner Diego, Penazzola He's here to give a presentation. Yes we do Mr. Chair we have our senior planner Diego Panazzola he's here to give a presentation on behalf of staff. Great. Hi good evening more members how you guys doing today. We're here to discuss the final master plan development for Cypress Creek. As previously stated the property is located on the southwest corner of a Cypress Creek Road in I-95, as shown on the slide. The property has a net acre to 6.95, gross of 8.4. The existing use is the FDOT Park and Rice Site. The applicant is proposing to develop the site as a 286-mix-useice multifamily building along with a total of 25,000 square feet of commercial retail area. Previously the item was the current zoning for the property is a PCC2 which is not proposed to be changed as it was that you remain the same and it's pending consideration from the planning and zoning board to City Commission approval for final master plan development. In terms of the future land use, the future land use is commercial surrounded by the transportation designation as shown on the slide. The existing zoning which is not proposed to be changed is PCC2. Same theme for the transportation around it is the adjacent zoning districts are transportation areas. So as previously stated, the request is to consider Cypress Cross and Master Development plan. The applicant will have another neighborhood participation meeting tomorrow with the surrounding communities prior to final provade city commission and also we have a development review committee that will evaluate the final site plan which we're very close to getting that all the issues resolved pending City Commission approval. This is a general layout of the proposed development that is being proposed at the DRC level. Along the north portion of the site, we have two 7500 square foot retail buildings with 76 parking spaces, which are surface parking spaces, two loading areas, recycling areas. We also have pedestrian connectivity along with a trellis along Cypress Creek Road. And along the southern portion of the site we'll have the makes use component which will be a mid-rise building along with a parking garage. It will consist of 56 studios, 142 one bedrooms, 86 two bedrooms, and two three bedroom units. The building footprint will be 51,000 square feet of mixed-use building area, including in residential lobby. We also has the retail component, which is about 5,726. Co-working. building area, including residential lobby. We also has the retail component, which is about 5,726. Co-working area of 2,748, which will be designated for residents only, it will not be list out. It will have other amenities within the mixed-use buildings, such as poor area, lounge seating areas, fire tables, within the residential component of the mixed use building. At this time, we're looking at getting consideration from the planning zone and board for the master development plan approval to the city commission. If you guys don't have any questions, at this point, I conclude my presentation. Thank you. Thank you, Diego. Does the applicant have a presentation that they like to make? Yes, we do. Good evening, Nectarria Chakis with the firm Lockery and Chakis. On behalf of the applicant, this is probably, I guess, the third hearing or so that we've had on this project. And just other aspects have come in front of you, like the plat, and then there was also a code amendment that you all may remember. This is the, as staff said, the site plan and the flexibility units. We've been in process for quite some time, so I wanna thank staff for all of their support and really helping us through the process. So long awaited, I know previous hearings you've been very eagerly waiting to see the actual site plan and the pretty pictures as I like to say as to what's going to happen on this property or what's proposed on this property. So I'm happy to run through these the project components and discuss the site plan as well as some of the waivers that you heard of Diego mentioned. This isn't a proving body, so once we are through the process here at the Planning and Zoning Board, the application proceeds to the City Commission with whatever recommendation you all are proposing. So this is the subject property. It is a 6.95 acre net acre property and has about eight and a half acres, gross acres. And when we talk about gross acres, that means you count to the center line of the adjacent road. So that's why there's a little bit of a difference when we talk about net acres and stuff with the person actually owns. The owner of the property is of course FDOT. It's been used as a park and ride lot for as long as as I can remember. FDOT entered into a long-term lease with my clients to redevelop the site into a transit oriented type development. Currently, as you all know, it is a park ride. So you park there and you can carpool, you can walk over to the tri-rail, and then there's also a transit station here for the Broward County Transit buses. And so what the development is intended to do, and this is a complex development because it splits municipal boundary lines. You have the red part that's in Oakland Park, and then immediately to the left, you have the portion that's in the city of Fort Lauderdale. So the site plan and the master plan for this site, which includes the Fort Lauderdale side and the Oakland Park side, really tried to bring some synergy to the site. So there are some things that we're not providing on the Oakland Park site that we are providing on the Fort Lauderdale site and vice versa. So what I'll do is I'll go through a little bit of the Fort Lauderdale side so you can see how everything sort of blends together because looking at it in isolation with just the Oakland Park side may not give you the full picture and I know there were some questions about that as well at one of our previous meetings. So the site as staff said is a PCC two zoning district. It's a mixed use zoning district. There aren't very many properties in the city of Oakland Park that have this designation. But it is a mixed-use zoning district. PCC2 is what it's called. How do I go forward? Can I go forward with this? There we go. Okay. So this is the entire master plan. So you see that red line, that dividing line that splits down the driveway, the main driveway. That is the dividing line between the city of Fort Lauderdale and the city of Oakland Park. The city of Oakland Park is on the right hand side of this graphic. Oakland Park is on the left hand side of the graphic. The left hand side, which is the Fort Lauderdale side, is proposing 345 units and has about 4,500 square feet of commercial that's located up along Cyprus Creek and in part of that orange. It's denoted with the orange coloring up on the corner and then you have three hundred and forty five units in the main building with amenities in in the courtyard areas of those of that building. He then have a very large parking garage with about 700 parking spaces and then in to that, it may be difficult to see on this particular graphic, but there's a bus, the bus depot is located within the parking garage. So cars will come in, I'm sorry, buses will come in off of North Andrew's Avenue, they'll come in and then they will automatically, sorry, they'll pull into the bus depot area, the bus transit area, and then pull out, and then go up to Cypress Creek via one of the driveways or if they need to, they can just actually take the ramp, which is located inside of the property to get on I-95 directly from the property. So that is one of the features about this property that it's kind of a little bit of a hidden secret if you've ever been to the property, you see that you can get on and off from i95 and come directly onto this property. That's not changing. That's actually still a component of this project. We're reconfiguring everything to make it a lot more streamlined. For instance, the'm going to probably have to walk up to the graphic so I don't know if the pointer on this is working. Okay. So if you do want to walk up to, you can remove the mic. It comes off. Okay. So this area on the top right hand side of the graphic is the main access point. It's a fully signalized intersection. So you have a signal there. You can make left in, right in, left out, right out. It's a fully integrated or fully signalized intersection. You then have, if you're heading north, northbound on I-95, when you get off the Oakland Park Boulevard exit, there's a little ramp that takes you off the exit, and you can kind of do like a little leap underneath the bridge that takes you directly into what is now the parking lot. That is that ramp. So it'll end right here, and then you'll be able, if you made a mistake, let's say, and you want to get back on I-95 and head south, you would stop here and then make a left and then proceed all the way down here so that you can get back on to I-95. So that's what I was saying is that right now when you pull in here, it's just a massive parking lot and you have to kind of go through the parking lot in order to get back on to I-95. What we've done is created a real, almost like a new ramp, if you will, it's direct and you can, the exit is right here and then you can get right back on to I-95 here. Similarly, if you're located anywhere in the development and you want to get on to I-95, you can heading south. You could then just travel from these driveways onto I-95. It's off this graphic, but you would just travel down here and get onto the ramp onto I-95. So this has, the development still has very, very good connectivity with I-95. The other access opening that we have is along Cypress Creek. This is a right in and right out and left in access opening. So it's not a fully signalized intersection, so it's partial. The fully signalized intersection is right here and then there's another one located over here on the Fort Lauderdale side. So this is the Andrews Avenue, and some people call this Andrews Way, some people, but it's known as Northwest 60th Street. And then immediately to the south of this is where that office building is. There's an 11 story office building, and then a small restaurant that you can see from I-95, probably the only place you can really see it, unless you're driving along Andrewsway or Northwest 60th Street. You can actually dead end into that little restaurant. I think it's on Occupied right now, but it is still there. The buses would come in through Andrew's Avenue and then they would enter this entrance right here and then these are the areas where the buses can park. And then when they're when they want to leave they just come in through here and they can make a right or they can come up through this, this is two way, and then proceed up to the fully signalyzed intersection up at Cyprus Creek on the top right hand side of this graphic. So that's how the traffic circulation works. The access to the parking garage facilities are located here. So this is the Cyprus, I'm sorry, the Oakland Park side has 286 units, eight stories with two commercial out parcels. Each of those buildings has 7,500 square feet. About half of each of those buildings is going to be in restaurants. There's going to be some outdoor dining. We've reserved some space in front of those buildings for some outdoor dining, just a couple of tables, which is what's allowed under your code. So we have those two out parcel buildings, surface parking for those particular buildings so that people can just pull in. They don't have to come in park in the garage. They can just go straight into the surface parking lot. And then there's also 13 parallel parking spaces along the perimeter of our site. So you have 76 parking spaces located in the surface lot. You have 13 parking spaces located along the perimeter. And then you have 509 parking spaces in this garage. That'll mostly be for the residential component of this project. So it was 286 units with 509 parking spaces. And again, this, the, where are the parking ride folks going to park? That's another, because we had to replace some of the parking that was, that is now being used for the parking ride. That's one of the things that FDOT required as part of the ground lease. So this parking garage is oversized. It has the parking not only for the residential here and the commercial, but it also has the parking ride. So the parking garage, all of this is anticipated to be developed first. So the four-launched outside is going to have to be developed most likely first because we have to replace that parking for the parking ride. This side, the Oakland Park side, will be developed most likely in three phases is what we're anticipating. So we have the first phase, which will be the roadway network. And then we'll have the second phase, which will be the commercial. And then the third phase, which will be the mixed use building. All right, I think that's all I have to point out. It's kind of hard to do from far away. All right, let's see the next slide. The next slide is a little bit more of a close-up so you can see some of the components of the Oakland Park side. Yeah. So just a more of a close-up of what you will have on the Oakland Park side. So you have the main building, which is the one that's connected to the parking garage. You'll have the park, the recreational deck, which is at ground level. I have some renderings of that later in my presentation. You have the two commercial out-parts buildings with 7,500 square feet in each of those, with half of, about half of those are on our plan to be restaurant space with each building having some outdoor dining area up along Cypress Creek. And then obviously the entire street scape will be completely changed. We'll have new sidewalks, new landscaping, nice trellis feature, and both the Oakland Parkside and the Fort Lauderdale side will have a nice continuous street scape along Cypress Creek to add some consistency in that urban form. All right. Next slide. And then this is some renderings, 3D photo realistic renderings that show you the you could see the main building the mixed use building and then the building that's white it out it's just a massing building that's the Fort Lauderdale side but we had it white it out because we wanted you to focus on the Oakland Park side of course. It's an eight story building with the parking garage you can see there and then the two out parcel buildings. And the next slide. This is again another perspective. The main building being the eight story 286 units and then the two out parcel buildings up along Oakland Park Boulevard and then the Fort Lauderdale side on the right hand side of that graphic. Next slide. And then this is a rendering of the northwest corner of the building. So as you're coming in, one of the entrances off of Cypress Creek, this is the mixed use building that you'll see in the bottom of this particular graphic on the bottom floor is where the commercial component of this building is located. The building itself has a mixture of studios, one bedroom, two bedrooms, and three bedroom units. So you have 56 studios, 142 one bedroom units, two, 86 two bedroom units, and two three bedroom units. And the average size of those, the studio is an average size of 450 square feet. The one bedroom has an average of 680 square feet. The two bedrooms have an average of 1,100 square feet and the three bedroom has an average of 1350 square feet. Next slide. This is the northeast corner of the mixed-use building and the cars that you see up front in this particular graphic would be the ones that are parked in the surface lot where the commercial buildings are located. Next slide. And then some additional renderings. The top right is the interior recreational deck and then some additional renderings of the building from different perspectives. Okay, so the next, and then this is the view of the commercial building. They mirror each other, so this is a view of one of them. So as far as the waivers that are being requested, we are requesting a minimum acreage waiver. There is a provision in the PCC2 that requires that properties that are re-zoned to PCC2 have a minimum of 10 gross acres. We're under that, but we're already zoned PCC2. So this is kind of a cleanup. We're not quite sure where that requirement came from. The property has been zoned for as long as we have been involved in this project, which is probably 20 years or more. It's just something that I think staff had asked us to go ahead and include it so it's nice and clean and anyone looking at the seas that there was a waiver granted. But just for clarification, it's already zoned PCC2. It just for whatever reason was less than the 10 acre minimum. Next slide. The second waiver is the height waiver. Under the PCC2 regs, you can request an increase in the height. And that's what we are requesting. This is a compact building form and again we're trying to make this a very urban style mixed use project and we believe in this case we're keeping it at a mid rise which is a very reasonable height up to eight stories. Our neighbor is at 11 stories so we're definitely within the incompatible with the other developments in the area. So we are requesting that height waiver and then the next slide deals with the setback waivers and you can see there's waivers requested at the front and again trying to keep that urban form and keep some consistency with the Fort Lauderdale side. There's the along Cypress Creek you you'll see three little circles. Those are the areas where the waivers are requested or required to provide 25 feet from the property line to the building. The property line kind of is a little irregular in this area because we're required to dedicate a not required to dedicate. There's already a right hand turn lane there that comes into the property. So the property line comes in a little bit farther isn't really consistent alongside Bruce Creek. So we are requesting some relief there. Actually if you go back one more, the other setback waiver is down on the bottom left hand side. There's a little little circle yellow circle where the additional setback waiver is requested it's simply because the boundary between Fort Lauderdale and Oakland Park is a little irregular down there the building itself didn't change and when you you look at it if I did if we didn't have that red line there you would you wouldn't think that there would need to be a setback waiver there but because the boundary is a little odd there it got a little close to the building and it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it, the covered arcade where people walk under. That's what the setback waiver is for. Okay. So next slide is the landscape buffer waiver. There is a requirement in the PCC2 that we have a 25 foot landscape strip with a 3 foot berm. What we're providing is an 11.1 foot landscape buffer with no berm. So the reason again for that is that we're trying to create an urban form and berms tend to provide obstacles between pedestrians as you're walking down the sidewalk and the development. So we've included and the required buffer is actually from the property line to the buildings. But in this case we're providing a pretty substantial buffer between the buildings and the actual curb. So when you look at that we're actually probably around 25 feet or so. So what we are proposing is to reduce or eliminate the berm requirement and reduce the width of that landscape buffer to provide again that continuity with the Fort Lauderdale side and have that nice urban form. And the next slide. Then the other waiver that we're requesting is to provide two monument signs where only one would be allowed. We're allowed to have one per street frontage. We have, if you call I-95, a little bit of a street frontage, that's another street frontage, but no one would ever see the sign. So what we're proposing to do is have two signs on Cypress Creek, one at the main entrance, which is the signalized entrance at the top right hand of this graphic. And then the other one would be at the top left hand corner of the graphic. Both of them would be identical monument signs, and they would advertise the businesses that are in there. And then next slide, I think that is it. Yep, that concludes our presentation. And we're happy to answer any questions. I have all of our team members here. So if I can't answer something, I know I have someone here that can. Thank you so much. This has been advertised. I will have a public comments first, and then we'll turn it over to the board. This has been advertised as a public hearing. So anyone in the audience who would like to speak on This topic in this topic only please step forward and you have up to four minutes to speak and please start out with your name and address Would anyone like to speak Seeing no one how close the public hearing and I'll turn it over to our general questions because I know my colleagues to my left for the real detailed ones. But you know, my question is like, you know, we see a lot of projects that come before us and some of them never make it to the ground. to the ground. I was kind of disappointed to hear that the Fort Lauderdale side is going to be built out first, which makes sense business sense, but on a personal side it's kind of like it's open park. But in the current environment we're in, I mean we're now seeing more people leaving Florida for the first time in a decade than before. I mean, have you made any adjustments to your business plan? And is there, are you anticipating that and have any mechanisms together to make sure that you can get the shovel to the ground with all the approvals? So we think that this market is very strong and we think it's only going to be. The City of Fort Lauderdale just invested quite a bit in the up what is called the uptown area. The Fort Lauderdale side of this property underwent a major land use plan amendment. And it wasn't just that property. It was the whole area in Fort Lauderdale. So I think we're gonna see a a nice investment not only by the City of Fort Lauderdale because this is, I realize we're in Oakland Park but this is kind of a little bit of an outlier in the sense that we're not surrounded by any other Oakland Park property. We're really to the north, it's the City of Fort Lauderdale, to the south, it's a City for it later to our west is a city of Fort Lauderdale. And so this property we think is very, is situated in a very good way. We're gonna, we're already seeing quite a bit going on in the city of Fort Lauderdale's uptown area. And I think this is just gonna feed off of that. So as much as I say, oh, you know, the Fort Lauderdale. The crystal ball. Yeah, we don't have crystal balls, but I want to do what we do want to address. You made a comment about you wish that we were starting this side first. Yeah, no, no. So some people do not want Oakland Park to have the park and ride garage. It's a big garage. And so I think what the city of Oakland Park is getting is actually a little bit better. You're getting 20,000 square feet of commercial and you're getting 286 residential units. Whereas the Fort Lauderdale side has the burden of having the transit. They have an oversized parking garage. They have the residential component and they have very little commercial. So I think what the city of Oakland Park is getting, some may argue is actually better than what the city of Fort Lauderdale is getting. Yeah, and I don't disagree with that. My comment more was on the selfish side of like, I wanna see all our buildings filled first before the Fort Lauderdale sites fall. So it's just the selfish kind of, I'm marketing thing. Unfortunately the cars have to car out of the way. I'm not going to be able to get the car out of the way. I'm not going to be able to get the car out of the way. I'm not going to be able to get the car out of the way. I'm not going to be able to get the car out of the way. I'm not going to be able to get the car out of the way. I'm not going to be able to right now they're about the same. The site plan is approved at a staff level and they're ready to sign off on it as soon as the property is re-zoned. That re-zoning is going to happen sometime next month. Okay and if if if there's a delay on either side that obviously is going to make delays across the board because I believe I believe I saw somewhere in the material. You're anticipating 2026 as a. Yeah, I think that's that was aggressive. That was probably an aggressive timeline, but we did assume a 2026 build out. Okay. Thank you. I think you addressed all my other questions in your presentation. So that's all I have. Thank you. We'd like to speak next. Don't fight. Thank you for the presentation. You answered almost all my questions and he got two of my others. As far as I seem to remember at the DRC way back there was some discussion back and forth about the wall of the garage facing 95 and trying to beautify it or make it a living wall or something so that it's not just ugly bear concrete. And I couldn't quite tell from the renderings is that being incorporated something like that being incorporated? What are we going to see as we drive by Oakland Park on 95 when we go by this property? It's not a living wall, but the screening is shown on one of these graphics. Let's see. Let's see. Page. There's a little bit of it shown on one of these describe it too. There's going to be some things. You can see a little bit of it in this one. It's probably not the... It should be in one of your backup renderings. I know it is. It's on the one that number nine. So when the applicant is mentioning screening that she's going out, I get you. It's very similar to like the screening that you see on the sky building. It's a metal work that is attached to the construction. I just didn't know that was. I'm sorry. The construction is also like for a guest to see a little piece of it. And it compliments the four-log file size. So there is a little bit. It's cohesive like one thing. OK, great. Thank you. As far as that reduction in the the landscape waiver and the reduction of the berm, I assume this will be covered, but will that affect drainage at all? I mean, I know that green space and plantings have a lot to do with permeability and I'm just wondering, well, I'm sure there are studies that will, but I am concerned about that impact. Do we know for sure that that won't have an impact then now that there's so much less of it it's less than half along that stretch? So it does not impact the drainage. We've accounted for the drainage elsewhere on site. Okay and so things will be great. It's all lot of happen. Are we making up any more greenery of any sort anywhere to make up kind of that difference? There's a green area. You could see the green area on the right middle, to the middle right hand side of this particular graphic. So there's greenery over there, and then there is, there's also greenery on the south end of the site which is where the drainage area is And so there is there are other areas where drainage is captured. Okay What regarding the on and off I think I got this right but get so The getting on and off the ingress and ingress on 95 this will be for the this will be the new configuration for public access on and off 95. Correct. So you said that the the drive way that exits sort of in between our two properties that exits out on disciples Creek that's signalized but not fully left right. So the fully signalized intersect is on the right correct is right here right okay But the one on the other side of our property is not this is not a signalized intersection But you can make a right in sure a right out and a left in so people would be disincentivized to cut through the area to just get off a 95 and try to get yeah I know. Yeah. But it's not going to be signalized. So it'd be better off. got through the area to just get off a 95 and try to get. Yeah, I know. Yeah. But it's not going to be signalized. So there's be better off just going ahead and going to the light anyway if you're just. I think so. That's what I do. But yeah. I take the path of least resistance, and I don't like having to fight cars. I'd like my light. And when it turns green, I'm able to go. Oh yeah, especially on that road. So, okay, so they're disincentivized from doing that sneaky kind of thing. As far as the parking spaces, I know it's as we're reducing from 572 to 522, which is a little less than one per unit, which is probably okay with the number of studios. But I know you just said there were 76 surface spaces, 13 perimeter spaces and 509 in the garage. I assume that 509 in the garage in the 13 perimeter is where we get the 522 spaces for the residents. So there's actually 375, I'm sorry, 572 spaces being provided for the residential. Our parking study revealed that we were only required to have 375 spaces for the residential, but when you evaluate what we're actually providing in garage, just look at the garage parking for now, 509 spaces. That's actually 1.78 spaces per unit. Okay. Yeah. So it's a healthy amount. Okay. And our parking study only required us to have 1.3 spaces per unit. Okay yeah I'm just I'm just looking in our in our materials under traffic and parking and it says a parking waiver to allow for the reduction of required residential spaces from 572 per section 24.80 to 522 for the alternative residential parking rate. But that isn't the number then. No, it's actually, it can be very confusing. I think the numbers that were used during a parking study, the site plan changed a little bit. Okay. So since that time. But basically the parking study showed that instead of requiring 572 spaces that we were only required to have 375 per the parking study. Okay. We're actually providing more way more than that. Okay. Okay. We're providing a total of, see, in the garage alone, 509 parking spaces. All of that parking is really just for the residential. That equates to 1.7 in spaces per unit. So our parking study said you need this, but we're still providing way more over 100 spaces more than we're required to have. Okay, and so those are those 509 spaces in the garage will they be exclusively for residents or if or can anybody park there if they want to go to a restaurant and it's overflowing is that are they ex or they like you know sticker on you you have to be a resident to be in there do we know that yet? So we have to have 375 per our parking study that we have. Okay. For the residential component, but the garage is not going to be marked, you know, it's not typical to have parking spaces that are marked like this is unit 101. This is unit two. You know, that's not how the parking garage is going to lay out. Can people from the commercial that are visiting the commercial coming park in the garage. Yes, and so and residents could use those perimeter or those surface spaces to rather than the garage Okay, I think it'd be inconvenient for them. Yeah, but if for whatever it was full or whatever they have an option. Okay We may have discussed this before and this may not be part of this But are these are these rental units or these for purchase? They're definitely going to be rentals. They're slated to be rentals. OK. OK. Is there a possibility that might change? Or is it the problem? Anything's possible. OK. There are quite a few developments that were originally planned to be rentals that are coming out as condo. I don't know if that's the case with this. right now I can just say it's later to be rental. You're tears the layer of the one, so. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And there's a ground list. So there's only some. case with us right now I can just say it is later to be rental. And there's a ground least so there's only so much. There's so yeah. And this is market rate. To all of them are market rate. Correct. Yeah. Okay. I think I think I think that's it for now. I think I got them all. I think you answered most of them. I know I think I think I got them all. Okay. There will be additional opportunities. I think I'm good. I think I'm good. Patrick? I know I have to say something. Sure. Thank you for the presentation. I don't have the benefit of, you know, the history of this project has only been on the board less than a year. And then this is more of just a curiosity. The two retail buildings, in some of the, in my experience in the field, there's been sort of a trend it seems towards having everything against the street because retail owners want that street frontage. Instead we have a split. I'm just kind of curious, it's late in the game, it's more of a just a curiosity for me why that was done in the corners as opposed to along the, you know, the entire Cypress Creek street front. So we did actually have one building proposed. It had a drive through though. It was slated to be have a restaurant component in it and it was changed because this was determined to be a little bit more of a feasible site plan. We wanted to have, you know, the parking visible is when you're driving down Cypress Creek, one of the things that the retailers depend on is people seeing that there's some parking. And so splitting those two buildings I think was a good idea to allow for that parking to be visible from Cypress Creek so people could see okay, there's parking there pull in they know where to go and then they have the two buildings This two split buildings Right, I was just like when you see trader Joe's and Fort Lauderdale. It's kind of the idea that I was thinking Mm-hmm Simple questions. Can you just point out for me where the loading zones are at the retail buildings? I can't, unless I'm missing them, which is entirely possible. So they're located, there's a loading zone here. And then there's two loading zones here. But there's none for the two buildings on the north side. There's two loading zones here. Oh, around the dumpster enclosure. Correct. And how high is dumpster enclosure walls? Can I have to talk about dumpster enclosure? I'm sorry, I just heard you. You're right. You think that's the only way. That's very to good answer. Good answer, yeah. Eight feet. Eight feet. Okay, perfect. Another question. I don't see on any. Where is all the mechanical equipment? I'm sitting on the roof. I assume. Yeah. Okay, and how is it shielded? Parapets. Parapets. Okay. Because it's not really reflected on the and I know all too well artist conception. I know to two very important words. Yeah, there's mechanical on the roof. The parapets of the Building are high enough to camouflage that mechanical. Yeah, forget what the distance and angle is offhand. What? The FPL vault and the level and the metal. Yeah, the FPL vaults on the ground. Right, well. I think you're talking about the air condition. Yeah, saying I'm mechanical. Yeah, FPL is a whole different animal altogether, which I won't get on my soapbox about them. The other question I have, the North intersection, the Northeast intersection, does it have a signal there currently? It does. And there's no right dedicated right turn lane before that. There's a right turn lane? Yeah, at the middle. There's going to be one here. Mm-hmm. And then there's another one right there. It's a dedicated right turn lane. Oh, OK. Is it? Because it's not. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it is. I don't know. OK. It sounds so qualified. OK. And I guess because, you know, and it also depends on this getting on my soapbox from before the light signal right there during heavy, you know, people are definitely going to go through the middle of that, of that, you know, of the whole project. And do you know, and you may not know the answer to this, but is there going to be on the entrance ramp? I noticed, I've laid putting those signals to allow certain amount of cars onto and I haven't decided traveling 95 every day whether or not it's a good idea. Do you know if there's going to be one there? I'm going to have our traffic engineer and John McQuill. Do you want to introduce John McQuill? Yes, so so as a part of the Express Lane project that they're working on, the ramp metering goes hand in hand with that. Obviously, the idea is that instead of having all the on-ramp traffic flood the main line of 95 at one time and then slow down that outer lane, you're metering them so that they go in early fashion. Studies have shown that that's actually better for both the main line and for the merging traffic so that's why you're seeing them. They're already in Dave County on the express lanes and they're just pulling them up. Okay so there's gonna be one okay so that's my question. I think that's it for the moment as well. Thank you Patrick. So thank you so much. You have? Okay. Surprisingly enough, I have several points. I don't see a DRC report. Was this reviewed by the DRC? work? So there's about one or two comments that are pending, but we've been working with Kristen and we should be able to get them resolved. The application will be approved after City Commission through the DRC, but the DRC did board it towards recommendation of the site plan approval. So there was a meeting considering this agenda, and Is there a reason not in our backup material? Well, no, the DRC doesn't have a staff report. The DRC is just the overview and agencies looking at the site plan. So the DRC is a noticeable approval. In the past, there's been DRC reports. Sometimes they've been missing and I've raised that issue. In the past, there's been, I don't know if it's called notes. The comments. The review? The comments, yes. I just find this very helpful to see what the DRC, how they're viewing the various issues in reviewing the agenda items. So I suggest that maybe that that be included as much as possible in the future. And I would like to apologize. I grabbed the project in the middle of the project. So I believe the last submittal was back in August, but for next time, for sure. Thank you, I appreciate it. The under traffic and parking in that section, the second paragraph, it says, note that a portion of the park and ride law is proposed to be eliminated. However, to provide a conservative analysis, no credit was taken for the existing facility for the purposes of the trip generation analysis. Can someone explain what that means? I could explain it, but he's going to do a better job. So obviously, because of the way the project, the two projects are being designed, the parking ride lot is shrinking, right? The amount of surface parking that's out there today, we're not going to provide as much because it's really being utilized as much. So the parking ride spaces will be placed, they'll be in the Fort Lauderdale side of the project in the garage. And I was simply stating that we could have taken credit, we could have actually collected data to determine how much traffic the parking ride lot creates. We all know that's extremely nominal so we didn't do it Just to make sure you know no one questioned the data. We just didn't take credit for we would have then we would have said Okay, well the parking ride lot generated 10 vehicles during the P-Gar we could subtract that from the Social Development but instead we looked at the full developments potential perfect. Thank you very much So there's going to be a signal or there already is a signal in my correct at the north, the entrance and exit at the northeast corner of the property on Cyprus Creek Boulevard and that's part presently there. Yes, it's there. Okay, and there is not one at the exit further to the west on Cypress Creek. Correct? There's no signal there. No. There's no signal. Is there any backup or might there be a greater backup? Let's say someone is going east on Cypress Creek Boulevard, crossing over Andrews, and then approaching that signal on the northeast corner of the property, and let's say that's a red light. So they stop, and then could there be potentially a backup of that traffic onto and overflowing onto Andrews. Is my question clear? What was that? I was just happy with my phone. We all know this area is a bit congested. So that situation exists. The traffic study revealed that when you overlay this project's traffic on the existing network that we don't really create a significant increase in delay or worsening of the traffic. Now, part of that assumes that the county over time will continue to adjust traffic signal timing. So we're all kind of beholden to the town. That's what my next point was going to do. Yeah, I'm happy. Yeah. Could they coordinate the timing of signal? Absolutely could. And you know, I'm just going to bite my tongue a little bit as traffic engineer working in this area for 20 years there could there could be yeah synchronization improvements I think we all realize that so again the county controls all the timing at the traffic lights and and honestly even if I were to lobby them on behalf of this project and say hey can you try to fine tune these they won't really consider fine tuning the lights until the project is built and up and running because they want the traffic to be out there so they can understand the real conditions. They want to see the print. They don't really want to be out of the question. Yeah, my projections really kind of all flat when I try to talk about signal timing. And am I correct this project is anticipate to increase the amount of traffic only about 1%. Well, I think you're referring to certain, there's certain movements where we see some failures. And what we're saying is that our project really only contributes to less than 1% or approximately 1% of the impact to that segment. So we're not denying that any project that generates more traffic will increase delay. That's just that's logical. We're just saying that the increase in delay or the amount of additional volumes we place on those movements is nominal. Following up on this, did I hear correctly because I didn't notice this in the back of material. So maybe I just didn't notice it or maybe that misheard that people going west on site push, weak pull of our ad. Could go beyond that signal that we're talking about on northeast corner and go to the next entrance and make a left turn. Actually I do want to, yeah. a big full of art could go beyond that signal that we're talking about on northeast corner and go to the next entrance and make a left turn. Actually, I do want to, yeah, I wanted to correct to that driveway that's kind of right on the edge of the exit. I thought that's the only right. It's a right in, right out. Yeah, so you wouldn't be able to make a left turn in that driveway. Okay, thank you. I thought I heard it in consistency. Thank you. I thought I heard it in consistency. Thank you. My next several questions deal with the narrative that was prepared, which was very, by the way, I think this is a phenomenal project. It's, I think the area really warrants it it. It's a very up-and-coming area. Lots of businesses have been moving into there. The design, I think, is very well thought out. You are incredibly knowledgeable about every detail we've been asking. So that's very impressive. And I think the aesthetic design, I won't get too far into that. It's very cool. I will have another question about that later on. But anyway, in the narrative page four, we have two line two. I'll quote it. Co-working space will not, you have a co-working space in the residential areas. Co-working space will not be released to outside tenants. And therefore, is not demand additional parking and quote if i'm a resident could i hold let's say there's someone i want to meet with business associate uh... could i meet with them in this one of these co-working spaces and would that then require additional parking spaces? So I guess if I had a guest coming to visit me, I guess that could happen, but that's all accommodated in the parking garage. Those co-working spaces are not really, they don't have conference rooms and then usually they're just made for the the Residents where they have you know a cubicle or somewhere where they can set up their Their death like a laptop and work so I don't I haven't seen any co-working spaces where they have you know Conference room areas and things like that. That is common for Oakland actually has that. Oakland does. They have a conference room. We're outside people. Several small conference rooms with a round table and a couple chairs. It hasn't been programmed but I have not seen that. Okay. I just didn't know that. My great, more great lead tax. I can't imagine it would be significant but I just wonder if it would have tax parking. Yeah, I can't imagine either but we're're over parked, so that's the good news. We're significantly over parked. Great. So if that were to occur, there would be enough parking. Thank you. And this isn't on the narrative. This is a small detail. Page six under Intensity Slash Floor Area Ratio, the last line. quote, the repose uses total 1.0 FAR which is within the limit and quote and does it matter that it's actually 0.99 as opposed to 1.0 or am I being incredibly picky on air? We could certainly change it I think you know they were rounding up to be conservative. to be consistent in the future. You might want to make the consistent. Then. you know they were rounding up to be conservative. Just to be consistent in the future, you might want to make the consistent. Then again, the narrative page 6 under density slash flexible, flexibility units. Quotas city of Oakland Park is proposing to amend section 24-55 of the land development Goldman Cold Code, parentheses PCC, Planned Commerce Center. Upon approval section 24-55 of the land development code parentheses PCC Planned Commerce Center. Upon approval section 24-55B2B which is applicable to this PCC2 zoning will state, quote, residential uses are limited to 35 units per gross acre. So is this project then contingent on Oakland Parks Commission, Oakland Park Commission's approval of this amendment? So that code amendment has already occurred. So this was submitted before that code amendment was I think finalized and so the code amendments already occurred. It's occurred. So in other words, it's been approved. That's correct. Okay. The commission already adopted that code amendment. Perfect. Thank you. Again, under narrative page seven, legitimate activity and support. Quote, security cameras will be incorporated into the development. However, at this time, on site security staff have not been fully programmed. These methods will be determined and implemented into the site for safety crime prevention purposes. This was, I just wonder if there have been any updates in the consideration of security staff in determining methods since the most recent submittal of the narrative on September 20th, 2024. No, there, there, and that's something that wouldn't occur until the management team is brought on. I wouldn't anticipate that they would have it on site security staff, but they would have security cameras. And that's, well, do the residential buildings have a lobby attendance? Is there any all? Well, there's a leasing office which will be staffed obviously during the day. As far as anything beyond that, I think, is more operational that happens later down the road. Not be a little concerned about not having anyone in the, I mean, just security in general, you might want to consider addressing security concerns. However, that might be implemented. Okay. We'll make a note of that, but again, those are usually items that aren't addressing to the management company is brought on the building is occupied on-site security staff 24-7 is that what you're referring to like having a security guard there? Not necessarily could even be just a lobby attendant. You know some kind of staff member there ideally 24-7. Yeah, I can't really speak to that at this point, but I will bring it up with. Okay. I don't know whether to suggest this as part of an approval motion, but we can address that. If I may, it will be operational. Oh, yes. We wouldn't be able to make that a contingency. Okay. I'm vetoed. Yes. I like to know the reality. So thank you. Thank you, Sean. Then the narrative page seven art installations are murals. A little inconsistency here. On page seven it says, the applicant is interested in including a mural or public art and is considering potential locations on site. At this time however, no art installations or murals are proposed in the plan, but on page 12 of the narrative it states under amenities and a amenity deck is located on the the ground floor of the mixed-use residential building of the Skippahead to say in addition to the pool area there are several lounge seating areas, comma, sculptures, and art comma and it goes on. So it seems to say that there are going to be sculptures and art are going to be provided where it's earlier it said no and art installations or murals are proposed on this plan. So I think the difference is that anything that's an amenity in that recreational area is internal to the site and is an open to the public whereas the the paragraph on page seven that talks about art installations and whether that hasn't been decided yet, they're referring to public art. That's what I see. So the different public and internal. Correct. Thank you. Then under narrative page 11 recreation, oh, well I think that's been answered. Let me see. Ah, yes. The applicant indicates 2.15 acres of recreation as being required for the number of residents in this development. But I don't see anywhere where it's indicated how much the applicant is providing unless I'm missing something. It just says what's required, but it doesn't say what's being provided. That's in page 11 of the narrative under recreation. Under recreation? Yes. So that's the level of service that's in your comprehensive plan. So it's not something that's required to be on site. It just means that this project with the anticipated residents has to meet the level of service that the city has and its comprehensive plan and that equates to 2.15 acres. When you look at 2.15 acres, a city has enough parkland to accommodate that additional demand. So it's not so the city's providing parkland outside of the project. Correct. It's the you look at the city's open open space in park area that it has throughout the city. It required to have every number one side is into requirement for the project. I mean, it's within its boundaries. Not within the boundary of the project. OK. That's good. Yes. OK. So this is like a school or something. You have to have this many spaces. Great. OK. Thank you very much. In the architecture, in the attachment, it's labeled architecture dash mixed use elevations. I see some of the elevations that were presented, including the ones that you showed on the slide, have'm not sure if you're interested in the slide. I'm not sure if you're interested in the slide. I'm not sure if you're interested in the slide. I'm not sure if you're interested in the slide. I'm not sure if you're the site. Yes. That's internal so if you're in the courtyard. Can you do, do we need to identify that further so you could find it? It's a picture. Are there two of the architecture mixes? Yes, yes, that's. And that's different from this. This is just a massing study. Oh, what study? A massing study. What does that mean? It's showing a 3D dimension of the project. It's, I can say, it's probably not always completely accurate with the detail of the project. It's, I can say it's probably not always completely accurate with the detail of the building, but I do see what you're saying. So all I need to know is, is that how it's planned? What's up with the screen now? It's planned as shown on the renderings. In other words, that is perfect, because that's much nicer. I see what you're saying. The corners look like they're a little, they're not as round. Exactly. The balconies, these are rounded balconies. The civil plans don't show it that way. I have no architecturally I have an agreement with Jack 100 percent but the the civil plan don't show it that way. They show chamfered corners at 45s. If you want Kristen to speak then you should and if you could identify yourself, Kristen, please do. We're just looking, if you look closer on the civil plan, the overhang is shown and that is rounded. So what you're seeing as balcony or like the arcade that we were talking about in the beginning on the ground level, those are rounded. Yes, it's hard to see with the little dots and then it's rounded. Okay, oh, that's just the ground floor. That the ground floor isn't rounded above, but two and up is, that makes sense. The overhang is chamfered as well. Correct. No, it's... The only reason I'm... This is... You can see a very faint line here. It's rounded. That means a building above. Right. I understand what it means, but I'm looking at the civil plans right in front of me. I'm Kim Lee Horne, and I clearly just show that. Well, it doesn't one side, but not on the other. Yeah, they're... They're different. Are they different? This one is, but that one isn't. Oh, I see. Oh, OK. Well, it doesn't one side but not on the other. Yeah, they're different. Are they different? This one is, but that one isn't. Oh, I see. Okay. We'll fix that. I don't need to be arguing. No, it's not. We'll fix that. I think it's rounded on the one. We'll fix that. Great. Thank you so much. And now to the waiver request. What I have is the first one to the parking adjustment. I have no problem with that. I was going to be questioning the rationale for reducing the 25-foot landscape area along Suppess Creek. You can explain that, and I'm fine with that. The berm, I agree with that. The waiver to increase the maximum building height from four to eight stories and, respect a number of feet of each. What happened to our, I forgot the term, the amenities incentive program. Why is this being done as a request of a waiver request, where to then providing additional amenities to get additional floors? Absolutely. So the bonus provision program that you're referencing is in our local activity center, our OP3D, where we're right here. This is the CC property. Thank you. Absolutely. That explains it. The, am I correct the request for the waiver for reduction in the minimum side set back on the west side of the residential mix use building? That was described as an awning in the back of material and you described it as an arcade. So it's probably the same thing. But will there be seating there? I assume it won't be a restaurant because the restaurant's going to be in the commercial buildings, correct? By the way, the design of those commercial buildings is awesome. It's very cool. Thank you. Colors and very contemporary in those columns. So I slipped that in. The waiver for reduction in the minimum front setback and the north side of the commercial building from 25 feet to 2.8 feet for the trellises and then also another amount for building columns, another amount for building columns. Are there any renderings of those structures? I do not have a rendering of the trellis. I only have the renderings that I showed you of the commercial buildings have a rendering of that particular area. I do have it in plan format. So if you want to see the I don't have a rendering of that particular area. I do have it in plan format. So if you scroll back to... And my correct is something like, oh, perfect. In the landscape plan, so you see the location for context, that's the trellis there, the per se. Oh. Along that front. So it's quite extensive then. And there are columns somewhere too. Yes. And there are... And can you go to this one? We can see it. I'm so slightly. Sir, do you have L21? I think we found something where you'll be able to see it. Okay. In this particular graphic, you can see the trellis runs along the parking area. Actually, I've got that low up here for you. Yeah. You got there too. So, it's to do. Oh, that's very nice. Okay. So it's very quite extensive. If we're going to give away for at least that's to a whole, it's a long the entire parking area. Yeah. Long the entire parking area. Correct. Pretty much. That's right right. It's two donate feet to the trellis. Is actually a spot in the US one that has something in the middle of the city. I was just going to say. Yes. It's the fresh market. Right. Right. The fresh market and also the Paradise Bank has a trellis. And also, it's a bit beautiful. It looks nice. It looks nice. Oakland Farfowl of Ireland and sunrise on the east side. There's a traitor Joe's. Yes. And also it looks nice between Oakland Far from Lovard and Sunrise on the East side There's a Trader Joe's Yes, and quite lovely. Okay, great. Thank you. I just want to know for gonna prove a waiver. What we're approving of And the last one Oh the Thever for the required ten gross acres, that makes total sense that you're really looking at the whole project as a whole. So that makes total sense. And that's all I have. I just want to commend you for the design of the project to create what seems like a quite an upscale, very lovely, well thought out of plan. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Patrick. I asked him to send it. I got a quick, I mean real quick since Park and Ride came up. During construction, what are you going to do at the Park and Ride folks? So we're not using the whole site. So we're going to use the mixed use building on our site as staging. There is a plan for it, that's all. Yeah, there's going to gonna need and there will be some disruption yeah like the bus service is gonna be relook we've worked all that out already with Broward County transits yeah they've reviewed this plan DOT is obviously reviewed it as well and I think everybody understands there's gonna be some disruption but the objective is to get the parking for the parking ride down. I've done this on the first. Yeah. Perfect very good. That's all I have. And I also want to commend Jim Lee Horan, the traffic study is very specific and very comprehensive. Patrick please. There's a couple more things. Speaking of the traffic report. Was it just I'm just curious was it done in conjunction with the Fort Lauderdale site or separately? The Fort Lauderdale is traffic from the Fort Lauderdale side is it taken into account with this? Yeah, it's it's what we call the background or committed projects It was taken into account when they were doing their trip. I figured it was 283 pages so and if we could I think this might be a loudest question. Can we just talk trash for a quick minute. The trash rooms, how is a trash being on the on the I see them on either side of the parking garage on the plan on civil plan. Yeah. And how does the how does the car are they done in dumpsters? I would assume so, but how are they brought out to the truck? I'm trying to figure it out, especially on the Northeast one. So they're not actually dumpsters. They're. They'll have staff. Yeah. That roll it out to the truck. Yeah, that roll amount. And the okay, thank you. you said the, the parking garage is also public. And it is unlikely, but is there a possibility that, you know, a resident could come in there and there's no parking? It's probably never going to happen, but you never know. Yeah. Um, I think that would probably, because it's a big parking garage with quite a bit of parking in it. Um, I mean, there's no, like levels 2, 3 and 4 are not for residents only type of thing. You know that would be common to have because there are 375 spaces that are parking space, that are parking study reveals that we need for the residential. The parking garage has over 500 spaces. So it is not unusual to have some of the spaces, you know, when you go up into the garage that you have a gate or something that is managed so that, you know, those spaces that are used for residents are for the residents and no one is, you know, interfering with that. I don't think that they've gotten that far into the plan yet as far as operational, but that wouldn't be uncommon. I don't think we've planned for that at this time. Okay, thank you, perfect. Is the, what materials the trellis gonna be made out of? It's aluminum. Luminum, good answer. Good answer. That's all I have. I'm in favor of all the waivers as well. They make total sense to me. And I actually like the internal courtyard concept. And I have no problem. I'd be interested to see the metal screening against 95, which is certainly better than what we're looking at now when you drive by 95. So that's all I got. Thank you. One last thing. I want to commend you for and the developer For having such small micro units of I think you said about 450 square feet for the studios. I think that's the direction that The demand is going that especially younger people Want just their own place, but not place to entertain just a place to. But am I correct that the city has an ordinance that requires at least 600 square feet? That is also in our local activity center. Ah, okay. Saved by the geography. I'm sorry. Outside of the LAC. Our studio's average at 450 square feet. Right. And I think that's the direction things are going. I have nothing else. Is that it for the board? And if so, I will ask our motion. I will make a motion that we approve a recommendation to the City Commission in support of the proposed mixed use massive development plan approval and allocation of 286 flexibility housing units for city commission approval and accordance with section 24-55 planned commerce center district within the planned business center, sub-district of the City of Oakland Park land development code. And all required waivers? And all required waivers. Second. Is there a second? Second. Second. Thank you. Can we have a roll, Colleah? Member Gross? Yes. Member King. Yes. Member Peterson. Yes. My sir Rovelli. Yes. Sure, Doran. Yes. Ms. Chalkers. Thank you so much. Thank you. And next we have other business. I actually have a couple of things. Please. One is a question that came up tonight and I just, I, I fear you guys not for them. So this uses up all our flex units, right? And so I think we talked about last time and we just turned in the Broward next. There's these these redevelopment units then. So what, if this uses up all the flex units we have, then what's our next step? Do we try to get some redevelopment units? How do we apply for those? What's the next step after that? If that is the case, this wipes out the flex units we have. Absolutely. So thank you. We do have 286 flex units left on the books. This would essentially utilize the rest of those units. Now once you drop below 250 flex units, obviously this will be much below. You have the ability through Broward next to Broward County to apply for the redevelopment units. So that would just be a process. We cannot start that process until we are actually below 250. So if this is approved then the city would start to work through that process. Now I do want to reiterate that that does not mean that Redevelopment will not happen within the city. We just won't have the flexibility units to go above and beyond What we already have program for density for those properties that we have in the city until we get those Revealed me So let's say this gets approved it goes goes commission gets approved is would the city then could the city then start applying for a redevelopment units or is it once it's built and done? No, as soon as it is approved and we are under the 250 mark or to the zero mark, we would immediately start that process. I can tell you a neighboring city will manage just went through their redevelopment process. I believe for 750 units it looks like it took about nine months-ish by the time it went to their city commission and then actually got approved. So you're probably looking at about a year timeline. Okay, so we're planning to do that though. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. That's it. You did a presentation to one of our last meetings. Yeah, we talked and those. So yeah, so I just want to make sure that's on the deck. I had another question too when Chair Doran brought up the DRC notes. Could you just review with us like what? So it goes to the DRC. I was thinking it's DRC. DRC goes through all the different processes there gets approved then once all that's done then it comes to us when it's all done with DRC and then it comes to us and then we talk about it and we then say what we think and we then we send it on to the commission and then they is that but it sounds like they're going back to the DRC after the commission approval or did I hear that wrong? I'm confused. I could absolutely provide clarity. So in any case, when we have an item, we'll use the item that was just before you. They did go through DRC, their multiple iterations to satisfy the development review committee. The development review committee cannot issue a notice of approval or NOA until it's technically compliant. So one of the outstanding comments would be the assignment of the flexibility units, the approval of their plat, and then also the approval of their site plan. So until that action is taken, the development review or the planning and zoning division on behalf of the development review committee cannot issue legally their notice of approval because we can't approve a project that doesn't have the flex units or doesn't have the approved site plan. So they don't technically go back before the committee themselves but it does return back to our level to approve now that those requirements have been quote unquote satisfied because that action had been taken to make them compliant. Gotcha. So they have to go back. So it's got to go to the commission to get that approval before you guys can so that we can resolve that. I got exactly. I got you. Can I pick it back on my question? So what goes to DRC and doesn't go any further? What goes to DRC and then to us? Is there anything that comes to us? Not DRC? What what goes to whom? I'll let Mr. Buck I take that one for you. for scenarios as to what goes before the DRC what what goes to whom I'll let mr. Buck I take that one for you different scenarios as to what goes before the DRC and what does not go before the DRC well to start out you know a planned commerce center or a planned unit development which is what we have to like PCC and then there's PUD those are required to have site development plans or master plans, which is the set of drawings that you see as well as a development plan, which is a text document, a master development plan. And usually the site plans are an exhibit to that master development plan in both the dose control zoning districts. There's also there's a conditional use, which also requires a site development plan to be part of the conditional use. The DRC only items are ones that could be new construction, developments that are permitted by right, more than three or more dwelling units in a complex or anything that's considered a major development would be going before the DRC may not need that special approval like a conditional use special exception and so there's quite a few of those that you know could be a small town home development could be a small retail center that just goes to DRC does it come before the playing zoning board or city councilor? So it's the scope of the request of the development. It is. It's really the scope of the work. This, you know, a lot of times a plat will come in, set a site plans will go along with it. Only the plat is really what's being considered by the playing zoning board is in the city commission. The site plan is more or less a complimentary, a compliment, I should say, to the plat, given an idea of what. Because an example of something that's come before us is where there's like someone wants to build three townhouses. That could have been a backhouse situation where you have flexibility units or could have been in the downtown district. So I can kind of jump in there too. To add to the confusion. I think that it's the context of the actual application, but also the location. So it's some things that were brought up here tonight. As you request, you asked, well, I thought there was a minimum of 600 square feet per unit. Well, that's in our downtown. So depending on where you are in the city with your zoning district could determine if it needs to move forward to get like a PCC would need to come before planning a zoning board and then to city commission just because of that zoning district that it's in. So it's a little bit of the application. We have some general rules but really what that underlying zoning is and where it's located in the city also could be more restrictive and require us to bring it forward in other areas. Maybe it's something that can be done by right and we handled through the Development Review Committee. So it's a little complicated to answer that. I'm just trying to sort of mind. So something in the downtown area or in the LAC, like there were three townhouses a little while back. One was kind of more secluded. It was a gated community, not secluded, but recessed. That came before us. So is it LAC? A downtown is more likely to come before us? And who decides this? It's in our Land of Elma Code. It's specifically stated in our site plan review section 24 with 63. Actually, it makes a distinction. What is stated there? What goes to the DRC and what? Oh, yeah. Also, there's a difference between what we call minor and major. And most minor types of development permits Or could be fences and driveways and a building addition or addition to your home Then also it calls out single family and two family Uh is not considered major so that's when I indicate earlier that you know a tri a triplex, a quadplex, or a multi-family type of development, that's going to go to DRC if it's new construction. So the criteria are all in writing somewhere? Yes, and then also on our development permit application on what page it is, we do list the types of things that do go to DRC. Now some things are considered what we call a change of use. A change of use could be a retail center that is now going to become a faith-based organization. Well, that's a change of use, not only zoning, but a change of use building code. They call it a change of group of occupancy because it now becomes a retail center. It becomes a place of public assembly. Parking increases dramatically. It's like three times as much more parking. Those are the kinds of things that need to go to commission eventually, or I mean, DRC. Also, I'm thinking of conditional use that expands. Conditioners like a new car agency now wants to acquire five, six acres to expand their car agency like Lipton Toyota for example they were to do that they would need to go through the DRC as well as back to the commission on an amended conditional use so there's lots of different scenarios so on a case by case basis we're looking at those specifically to what path they need to to follow down to get to the the ultimate area of getting building permits. So, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, so it could be. like could it in amended conditional use go to DRC and then just directly to the commission it wouldn't come through P and C or before the planning so it would cut that's what I thought okay yeah it could be many different you know in the conditional use they have minor and major as well and minor could go just to DRC you know minor types of amendments major types of of amendments could be something more architecturally told new redesign, could be, all kinds of things done to the exterior of the property, or it could be the use itself that they wanna add another component to whatever was approved as. Now, in the controlled Zoni districts, which I call PCC and PUD. There's different levels of revisions there, minor, intermediate and major. And so major revisions in a plant development, Oakland Forest or Lake Emerald, you know, those go all the way through DRC, PNZ and city commission, intermediate as defined could be just something that goes through DRC and it doesn't go before the planning board goes right to commission. Minor a revision with a plan development or PCC would go for this DRC review then to city manager approval, plan approval. That's all stated in that. That's all in El Macau, under those zoning districts, you'll see that there. And actually we can propose that one of the maybe the next or one of the upcoming planning and zoning board meeting staff can give a presentation on what goes to DRC and how that process works. We won't hit all won't hit all the scenarios, but at least to give a better breakdown on where that's located. Yeah, right. You just go over that land amendment code in those details there. That would be great. Are we going to get the slides from the Broward next presentation? Yes, we'll have Leah email those out. We just needed to get the finalized version from Barbara. Great, great, absolutely. And I have one more thing if you guys can go go go go. Well, I'm moving on to another thing. Okay. This is kind of take the tail. Piggy backing. Biggy tail backing. Does the city of Ocampark? I heard the term come up today and I just had this experience in the city of sunrise. Small scale site plan approval. Do we have that here? Well, we have small scale land use plan.. Because I thought I heard small scale site plan come up somewhere and minor, maybe it's called minor. It's minor development or major development. And the minor development, you know, because see the term development permit also includes building permits, zoning approvals, plant approvals, those are all under the umbrella of a development permit. So specifically, development permit when it talks about building permits, it's talking about fences and driveways and swimming pools. Those are minor and then even a single family home or a two family home, or what these to call duplex are considered minor. Anything over and above that is considered major. You know, even if you were to build a brand, I'm sorry to cut you off, but if you were to build a brand new little four, five thousand square foot retail center, that's major, that's new construction needs to go to DRC. The reason I was asking, I'm working on a restaurant out in sunrise and a nine months too late. Institute did something called small scale site plan, which is basically we were redoing the building, but we weren't really touching the site. So we were able to actually bypass planning and zoning and it was supposed to speed up the DRC process. But that's a different story. So I didn't know if we had, because I thought I heard the term small scale here. So I just didn't know if we had to consider what we call commercial remodel type of permit. Commercial, then there's residential remodel permit. Like renovating an order of condo building or complex, you know, that's a residential remodel permit. Like you're renovating an older condo building or complex, that's a residential remodel. May not affect the parking. May not affect the landscaping and driveways and things like that are on the exterior. So, but anytime you increase density or intensity, then we're looking at the know that that have to be considered for Going through DRC. Yeah And our code just our code does define the difference between a minor and a major amendment I won't read it to you because it's kind of long But conditional use minor and major amendment correct So we do have we can absolutely bring that information to the kind of defines those different minor major amendments. We can include that in the presentation if that would be helpful. Or Rick and I can read it to you. I mean Rick mostly not me. And whilst before you go on may interject one thing, I should have done this in the beginning of the meeting. I wanted to acknowledge Pat Crowley, our alternate here, and say welcome, Pat. Thanks for being here, Pat. Okay, please. Okay, and I had one more thing. And I think it doesn't matter so much for small things that come through us, or even things like the last time where it was just the pretty basic thing we had to approve last time, but for something like this where there was a good hour of comments and questions and nuance. And I know we've talked about this before. I would like to make sure that the commission gets not just a summary but the full, is there a way for them to get the full minutes or a detailed summary of like every, basically the minutes, like everything rather than just a summary of, and I know that that might delay a little bit, but I'm thinking, and I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I would be willing, I know there's sometimes there's muscle, we don't have anything coming to us, and so we just don't have a meeting, but I mean, I would be willing to, I plan on that first Monday of every month, and so I'd be willing to be here, even if it was just to approve the minutes, maybe that would be a good time to get the presentation of, you know, land development code or something. So that then, so that maybe, for example, this tonight, and they wouldn't make it onto the first meeting of the commission in April, but they would make it then by the second meeting if we approve the minutes or whatever April night or whatever that first Monday is. And then that would still give the commissioners a chance to really review the details of the discussion we have so that they're ready to ask their questions. So it would really only delay an applicant maybe by a couple of weeks and then I feel like all of the nuances we brought out rather than just a summary would be heard. What do you guys think? Would you like to address that? He's been talking about that for as long as I've known. I'll second that motion. I don't know. What do you guys think? Joe, would you like to address that? He's been talking about that for as long as I've known him. Okay. I'll second that motion. Okay. Coming from the opposite side of the, of the death sometimes, I would, you got to be careful when you say to it, well, we're going to delay you a couple of weeks. Because let me tell you, having been where my clients are delayed a couple of weeks, it, might as well have cut their throats. I'm just saying it's something to consider doing something like that. But to your where my clients are delayed a couple of weeks, it might as well have cut their throats. I'm just saying it's something to consider doing something like that. But to your point, the discussion that we have, sometimes we are limited, for example, I don't mind telling you I tempered myself. I probably could have gone for another half an hour on stuff. So are you talking about just our thoughts or just the sort of what was in our purview? Well, maybe like what might concern about security? It's not in the motion, but maybe just to alert staff that there was an expression of concern about that. Or even just I feel like to answer questions like I feel like we bring out questions that they may have as well that now those are already answered or at least have they can they can read through them decide if they want to dig into this questions further or not and if those details aren't there for them ahead of time maybe some of that gets missed and so I know I think we talked about maybe calling it a summary even though it's not an approved minutes. If that's something they could get that's not just a really, you know, one or two line summary, but a really fully fleshed out something. I want to say one thing first, but then I want to acknowledge Sean's. I guess you're going to put on this. But I see Erwin and I have been struggling with this, trying to come up and I just want to commend and acknowledge Sierra a year concerned about this and struggling to find a solution. So I think we're all on the same page trying to find a solution. So I throw it open, I don't know. I'd like to be there be something that's more than just what our vote was. And I understand there are legal issues, and there are timing issues and concerns about delays that cost money to developers. I understand all that. So I don't know what the answer is, but if we could struggle to find something that assuming that the commissioners, I'll even say this, you know, read what's presented to them. But at least they could give them the option to see, I mean, I don't want this to just be a trustee or so, to pro forma oh they approved the 5 to 0 what does that tell them you know we're an advisory board so I'd like us to be able to advise more fully so I I agree with you in that and Sean I don't know if you have any comments or you want to say You can do it with summary, obviously you can't until you guys are through the minutes. You can't pass on. Yeah, you can't give them the official minutes. I mean, there's do a summary, obviously you can't until you guys approve the minutes. You can't pass on the, yeah, you can't give them the official minutes. I mean, there's, you know, the details that you can provide that happen at the meeting. But obviously, there are time constraints whenever you have an approval, it has to be approved or denied, but then a certain time and comments have to be provided. So I wouldn't want to delay the process another month in order to get those minutes. If I may, because I have always thought since we are all appointed by individual commissioners, that maybe we should take the opportunity to meet with the commissioner who appointed us and give them of own summary of what happened during the meeting. Well, with all due respect, there are some limitations with that. I think that should happen, but I don't think that adequately addresses the issue. Only one commission is hearing from each individual, two, they're hearing it from that individual's perspective. Leah does phenomenal minutes and it just conveys so much of the dynamics that happen. She doesn't, if I could talk to you about you in the third person for a moment, Leah doesn't give up, you know, so and so said, quote, blah, blah, blah, blah. There aren't of quotes, quotes. She's really brilliant at summarizing the essence of what each person says and the points that they're making. So that's the kind of thing that I'd like to see conveyed. And conveyed by an objective person, not one of us, who's going to have a bias and convey to all the commissioners and not just by one. You can read it. I translate. Oh gosh. Oh boy. The person did, devil's happy. Doesn't that bit fly in the face of a discussion we had a couple of months ago about what's we are to discuss here that's within our premium just using it's not it's not supposed to be the first thing that can come up but you were talking about security is that or you know some other subject matter to the project that may not be directly the right on what we're what we're voting on you know I mean we today we were voted on site plan, Master Site Plan. I asked a question and I'm over some funds. So you're saying we sometimes bring up extraneous things. Good work. So how do we balance that out with what we're supposed to be in order that we get these questions that we have? You had a question of a very terrific question about the security. I asked about this. You asked about that. Let me cut to the bottom line here. I'm wondering if I think it was you, Leah, who graciously agreed to ideally do the minutes relatively quickly. So they would be done quickly. Could, well, not tomorrow. But enough time before that it could be included in the back of material to the commission before the agenda items considered. Could that labeled as summary unapproved by? I wouldn't even get into the matter. Yeah. I think you just have. Okay. This is what the board members discussed. Yeah. Summary or whatever you want. But could it be the same? Unofficial minutes that aren't up for that. Okay. That's that's fine. Could it be what Lea does and just labeled summary? So if I could chime in there just for a second. So I want to address real quick the delaying anything when it comes to waiting for the minutes to be adopted. So as you know, this is the first Monday after the first city commission meeting. So that makes it a little problematic when it comes to timing. We've been working internally to try and lay out our entire process of how many times can someone go to DRC before they have to go to the next point, the next point, the next point, because we do have the Florida Statutes does regulate the amount of time from the time that they put in an application to processing them. And they have to make it all the way through that, if it goes to city commission, 180 days is all we get. And if they do not make it through that process, we either have to withdraw their application, which is very problematic, or they could automatically get their approvals, which we don't want either. So we don't want to create any more delay. So it might seem like it's only two weeks, three weeks. It does become very problematic because right now we're very pressed for time, even in how many DRC reviews we can get through before we go, okay, well, I don't know if you're gonna make it all the way through to city commission. So it is a balancing act. That is something that we have to comply with and if it doesn't go to commission we only have 120 days to process that application. So that isn't really a feasible possibility to just say that we would delay the project. For example, the project that was before you tonight, that's actually already scheduled for our April 2nd City Commission meeting because we have to do proper notifications you know there's a whole lot of because it's a public hearing that we have to do beforehand so one kind of rules right into the other. So I know at one point we had talked about it looked at maybe having that as an option and if we can stagger that out that could be an option in the future. We looked at the option of having another planning and zoning board meeting just to approve the minutes. That's a code amendment because the code does dictate when we have these meetings and we don't want to have a meeting just for the sake of having a meeting because then you have another set of minutes that you have to do the next time. Which leads me to Leah's quick processing of the minutes. It seems very quick, but it is, you know, Leah also handles the minutes for our DRC meetings, planning and zoning board board of adjustment, any kind of follow-up. So she is kind of a... All of the above. Any board we're responsible for. So to put that kind of requirement without it being reviewed by the board onto the city commission could get us into some dangerous territory and I'll give you an example because if we did say and I'm speaking hypothetically let's say that you were not legally supposed to ask the question about security tonight because of the type of amendment it is and that ends up getting denied by commission something completely unrelated but if that was taken into account your your discussion on security was taken into account on commissions approval or denial I'm sorry denial of the item we could in turn set the city up for a lawsuit because they can turn around and say well you only denied it because I didn't your security concerns. So that's why we don't want to put anything that is not vetted onto the meeting when it comes to those kind of items. So with all of that being said, and I'll defer this to Sean when I ask this question, I don't know if there's a possibility that there's aern that's raised by the board that perhaps they could Maybe say that they recommend for approval with comment and then they clearly define what the concern is that they would like to have Convade to the city commission and that way it could be verified that it is in compliance with What they are allowed to take into consideration and that's Yeah. Sorry, but I think the best way to accomplish this is to have staff address. Like, I know you want them to review all the details of everything that was discussed, but it's probably better to address the bigger issues that you're concerned about and have staff address it either in the presentation, maybe not necessarily speak in detail about it, but maybe have a slide that says, these were the bigger items that the board has. We have them that past. Yeah. So staff has presented discussions that have taken place in planning and zoning board at the commission as part of the presentation and not necessarily put it in physical writing as part of what the city commission is reviewing before they get to the meeting so we can. Can that put to city in less potential jeopardy if it's done verbally rather than? Like Sarah said you want to make sure that everything that's going to be in that back up provided to the City Commission is is pertinent to whatever the approval is. So if we're providing that, so the details, it's too inclusive. It's represents extraneous stuff that could be legally jeopardizing. Yes, if it goes into the factor of approval versus denial, then they can bring that up. You have them to know because you serve at different cities. How do other cities, are you aware of how other cities deal with this? I think they just use the minutes, but you know, they have the opportunity. I mean, I think the videos, how, how, how, Sean, can you please speak into your microphone. Leah is not going to get this on the record. Yeah. How late after this meeting do the videos of this? And I know it's tough to watch the entire thing, but. This is the only audio. Just audio. OK, audio. How, how many days after the meeting? Is it the next day? Yes, so they do have the opportunity. I mean, forget it. No, I. I am. Did that go really? Did that go really? Did that go really? That's exactly how I am, man. I mean, you're right. But if it was an issue that is of big concern to always address it at the City Commission, meaning as part of the public comments. All right? We have a lot of that. Chris Fisher, did that come from the minister? I mean, if it's something, you know, but we can find it. And I would just ask that Sean, if they're ways in, if they were to address any comments or concerns that they have, could speak on behalf of the board or they have to speak on as a resident. You can't speak on behalf of the planning and zoning. You can't say I'm speaking on behalf. You could but you can always speak to the resident. We have to say the opposite actually. Yeah, you can speak on speaking just as a resident. I know that so while does that. Yeah, you clear. So maybe this is a solution is just when you guys are presenting it, the salient points that have sort of come up that are likely to be commissioned questions they can get addressed in that presentation rather than just a two-line summary if it's like an hour discussion like this pick up those things like some of the architectural questions or the ingress. Egress questions for cut-through track back from 95 are those kinds of things that they're likely to have questions about. Could maybe just get highlighted before their discussion even gets going. Staff can absolutely, as you know, I am staff who gives the presentation. Staff would be happy to speak in a summary during the presentation and just talk about the items that were discussed, the discussion that took place. I would say moving forward for any other potential projects that are applications that you may have. More shunga concerns that necessarily isn't a recommendation, but maybe a point of topic that we would just say, you know, approved with comment and then define that comment for the city attorney and then we could include that. Yeah, that way we can do that before to make sure that it's pertinent to approval that we've given. Okay. Okay. So is that kind of where we are then that we would then make at the meeting suggest to you, Sierra, our Diego, whoever, you know, what if we want a specific concern, if you want the commission to prize a concern that one of us has, we would let you know what the meeting is, kind of what we're saying. Well, it was my understanding, and let me just repeat it back. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. So for the staff presentation, it sounds like I would just be doing a kind of recap of the general high points, I guess, or discussion topics that came up at the planning and zoning board, assuming that it does not get me into any legal information. That is, obviously. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. It's a summary. It just not a written summary that's in the minutes and it emits anything that might be yeah and we were have we resolved it are we good yeah well why don't we try that it we'll we'll try it this way for the the cypress because that'll be the next one that comes up. And Sean will just tell me, let me if I'm not supposed to say something. And I won't be offended that security won't be included. Security will not be on there. Yeah. I guess I'm still cheering this meeting. So anything else under new business? First do it during? Oh, before we adjourn. It's not approved. I know I came down kind of harsh about the DRC report or the comments. It comes out of my frustration that I've raised this a few times and they go, I know you're new. So this is the first time. And I shouldn't have come down quite so hard. It just was frustrating. And I don't usually review the material until the weekend before. One, so it's fresh, and two, I have a way of putting things off. So I can't then contact you and say, could you send that to me because I don't know what's missing? Because I can look at the material yet. So I didn't mean to come down quite so hard at that point. And just a couple things to that point. And thank you. I actually, what we're trying to do, and this is a little bit on me, mostly on me, all on me. what we're trying to do and this is a little bit on on me mostly on me all on me. What we're trying to do is find different streamline ways to make the information more accurate and available to not just you but the city commission also. And so in trying to streamline sometimes we back some things out that we're finding are more beneficial DRC comments. This is the second time this came up. So I understand that that's something that's very useful to the planning and zoning board. Those are the experts, so I rely on what their concerns are. Absolutely. No, absolutely. I do want to reiterate though that even if for some reason they are, and we will make that we're attaching those comments it's really the the DRC comments to these agenda items absolutely moving forward this was one that we kind of pulled back on we didn't think that it was as important we're going to add that back in but if we do not add them in for some reason in the future accidentally or whatever it's the weekend you can always go on to our DRC's website and then go to the whatever agenda that it said that it was on and go to that next meeting. And those minutes are already there for the approval. So if it went to the April 2nd meeting and you want to see it, you go to the next DRC meeting that minute is on on that link. So you can see. You said go to the DRC website, so I don't know what that means and where that would be. So I can, yeah, it's the agenda center. I can send you the link to the information. I think we looked at it when you were looking at another agenda item that we were trying to pull up where we were able to click all of the links. You can go to any of those past. It's every, the history of all of DRC since I think 2013 should be on there. You go to the any of those past. It's every, the history of all of DRC since I think 2013 should be on there. You go to the agenda that those meeting minutes were approved on and all of those will be there or you can go to the date that it was actually heard by DRC and click that submittal package and it will have any comments or what they were used that day or anything. So that's all available publicly in case it is not attached to the meeting to the agenda. And I'll provide that link at a separate email. Now is there a motion to adjourn? I already made the motion. Make a second. Okay. We are adjourned. Thank you all.