you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Councillor Wartz. Council workshop. Thank you Mayor Moby. Good evening everyone. Council workshop. The mayor and Bob Lee. We'll start with the agenda from Monday night. First item is going to be a vote. This is the second reading of an ordinance that's set 8,700 to date square feet of real property. It's the fire station to you. Now, this is the attorney's 10th St. I have an Indian Mayor and Council. There's no information to report again. This is a little great eight seven years for the adjacent car station too. This will be the second reading on the order to accept this property. I'm glad we walked back through the presentation or answering questions that you may have. Thank you. Thanks Tim. Next we have a few out of a few business first to be a resolution around the selection of architect to firms. On record for the beauty of the quadrat, we will be 25 and construction of beauty nestled time is silky and in hand salt, transglotery. Good evening. On Monday we'll be bringing the resolution to you. This is to accept the architectural firm. This firm was chosen through a transparent process, as was required by federal law. There were three submissions. They were all the same costs that we felt that the architect was chosen by color. Architects was the best qualified. So we'll be bringing that before you, there's also a letter from Halcyon Home, this is a day that accepted this bid and reward. We're working on a very constricted timeline. We just met with the architect on Monday, they've already got us some plans in an estimated budget, so they're very familiar with the project, and we feel a little bit of a very good job. Any questions about that? I mean, noanny fan, man, no, we're not. The city's not coming out of pocket for this process, but we're approving an architect. What is our under involvement as a project in the schoolroom? Kind of guiding it. We will be watching the financials and stuff like that. We don't have any fiscal responsibility, but the city is responsible for all the documentation and anything like that. And we do have another item that we may be bringing up at the end to see about approving for Monday. But it's the same CDG process, the same requirements as everything else. There's no fiscal responsibility for us. It's basically going to be CDMG, the program providing up to $2 million is what we're going to ask for. And then any other cost over that is the responsibility of House of the House. So the memorandum of agreement, memorandum of understanding, the letters from the board, everything like that is outlined in those responsibilities. So there's no fiscal responsibility. It's just kind of keeping an eye on everything, making sure it's being used to a program. Here's how my curiosity is, is your admin time built into the grant at all? It is not. The Regional Commission will be doing the bulk of the administration once it kicks off, and they'll get paid for that. So where does the check go to? Who? That's the city GB. The grant funds will go towards the construction of the... No, no, no. Who will it be? Who? Where does money come from? The money we have to... City has to. It comes to us and we have to pay it. It has to come through the city. The House of Illinois could not apply because of nonprofit. that government agency is the only one that's eligible. So I will say there's been some recent findings in the... I see how I'm going to say the House of Young, I'm going to put it down a fly because I'm a nonprofit. And government energy is the only one that's eligible. So I will say there's been some recent findings in the last 24 hours on this. And we got some things to work out with the state DCA in Tom Xcany. And if we don't have those work outs by Monday, we'll pull this from the agenda. OK. So there will be more papers for me to sign. So I'll sit up and I'll get more emails for papers for me to sign. We'll turn not to email you, but you guys have a nice stack. We're trying to bring everything before council. This is ratified because again, we just got finished Monday choosing and getting this done. And I wanted to make sure House Islands Board approved it before I brought it to this council. So yeah, you're gonna have a nice stack of documents to sign. If the move forward, we have to have multi one Monday. So you don't have to come back. So we approved up to now, I have completed, because I keep getting emails from this reddit. You can ignore those for now unless you have a question about on your You've been copied on everything for awareness. And Ashwas keep forwarding to you. Yeah, that's fine. She should copy me on everything. I should have everything. If you get anything that I'm not copying on, please send it to me. You shouldn't have to deal with any of that. Because like I said, we're still, there's still a lot to work out. Even if nothing changes, we're going to be very tight on the timeline. Let's do it before. that because like I said we're still there's still a lot to work out. Even if nothing changes we're going to be very tight on the timeline. It's due April 4th. But we're trying to provide as much information as possible as soon as possible. Any other questions? Thank you. Thanks, ma'am. Next we have a resolution award at bid for the 2024 wastewater phase one all of the creek project and all the ride in the minutes of the next time that contract is still going to be here. Good evening Mayor and Council. So if you recall this project here we received about $1.2 million and grant funding from the Congressional Director of Spinning. Well we were finally able to get through some get through some of the paperwork we BD and solar erosion, so we're following him ready to award this project. So, we did a bid process, we ran for 30 days back in December, however, we had to do some adjustments on the actual poses. Now, the total base bid price was $1.6 $6 million and and it took about 120 days from those perceived complete work. We only had two bid and we only had two companies out of the inch that we had an RPI underground corporate and grains back up in the corporate. We did run this on the GPR and we did reach out to other companies. No one was interested in the job and we believe because the location of the area is a Wet area that's gonna be a difficult job, and so these pricing here is we're Not surprised where they're at we were expecting to be much higher However, we were still going to do a reduction of scope to get that price down However, we were worried about losing the 1.2 million. And so we were glad to get the project started sooner than later. And we're going to get that project reduced down as much as possible close that we want to currently. We believe we can get down to $1.36 million. And what we'll do is cover that difference in that cost is going to reallocate funds from some proactive projects we do annually to cover this. This is a big project here. It's going to reduce a lot of eye on our system and additionally it's going to get a long age and infrastructure out. So the section is going to be between Metcath and Tuxedo. It runs along a creek in line as well. And so the reason we want to fix all of this is so when it rains heavily that line takes on a ton of water Goes down to let's say she's six let's say six pumps into four or four pumps of three and it goes all over the city And that's what was creating all of our flooding issues Now we're going to reduce the scope of this is so you see that top line up there at Metcamp Avenue and that very vulnerable And down at Tuxedo we are going to reduce that that from there, we're going to keep doing the pulling items until we get it closer to our number. Now, it is requested that the City Council worth contract for the 2014 Voicewater Phase 1 off-create project. For $1.6 million to RPI and the when incorporated as being qualified of form services at lowest price proposal and authorized mayor or mayor pro-10 to sign all required paperwork to execute contract work with refund, utilize and grant and capital funds. Are there any questions? You said this tough on congressional's. Yes sir, the 1.2 million is from the FY 2023 budget. so what we had to do is go through the EPD process because the funds got sent to them so we had to re-apply to get the funds that we were already allocated and so once they approved it we had to go through solar erosion that our plans approved and then they wanted a buffer stream variance which took another 60 days and that's why I kept pushing the project back. Neither, another organization would take all paperwork one time, they wanted to wait until one was done and that take all their paperwork then we had to go through the entire process we struck out. The extra cost was not budgeted but we're pulling it out of just regular maintenance funds. No, so every year wastewater does a proactive project. A lot of water-placing mains. And so we'll pull those funds from there. And so a little work's been increased heavily. And so we can pull those funds from there, out into this project. And we'll still call them out overarching. Go all those proactive projects that we're reducing our eye eye. So if you don't get it down to 1.3, you still have the money to do it. Yes, but we'll get it down to 1.3. You will get it down. Yes, but we'll order in a cost analysis and we can get it down that well. It should sit in order to get the project moving forward. We're requesting the 1.6. However, once we've ordered, we're in some other issue of change order to the company and the reduction of scope down 1.36. It's an awesome short work. Those top two lines of the mains and then additionally also street work to repair. So it will reduce the cost down 1.36. Let's just make sure if we're going to do it, let's do it right. That's a good idea. If we reduce it down and then it's going to cost us another me and the fix, so if we're going to do it, let's make sure we do it right the first time. So good news, this should cost another $1 million because we're going to put a material I'm there that be long gone by the time it comes up probably yet. So the live show is about 100 years. Any questions? Thanks, Eric. Thank you. Next we have a resolution to approve fiscal year 2020 full budget of in it. If I may, it's a lot for extra cases. Good evening, Mayor and Council. So as you know, each year we are required to get your approval to amend the budget for any funds or departments with expenditures that exceeded the budget. In prior years, we would wait until the end of the year is over, finalize all of those amounts and then continue to get one time so that we can be able to budget all that once. So here is a copy of our budget book that lists all of the funds by funds type. And this is just the operating budget. It does not include the capital in the transfers. You should be familiar with these categories. I can go over them with you if you like. Would you like that? No. Okay. Here is the capital budget. Again, this is straight from the 2024 budget. These are the original amounts about the money type. This slide shows both of those items together, but it also includes the transfers. So the transfers are between the different funds, but these are the total balance. It's the original 224 amounts. Actually, go back to the very first one that you showed on this. Yes. Okay, so that's the fun type, right? Yes. So then you came back to the fun types again? Mm-hmm. So one slide is for operating budget, and the second slide was capital So we have two separate types of types of budgets. So there's different money in each one of them Yes, okay, there's an operating budget and a capital okay, and then you come back to the Okay, go back to that one Okay So that's all of it all together. Okay. So now we're going to look at how they compare the original budget to the amended budget, which is what I'm proposing we amend it to. So starting with the general fund, it was at 21.8. We need that to be 22.3. Most of the difference here between budget and what we actually spent was due to salaries in our public safety. I don't know if you remember, but we budgeted to have about 15 vacancies for this year, for 2024. We actually ended the year with about five. So those salaries had to be updated in the budget. So that's the reason for the overage there. This is the special revenue. This includes the hotel motel tax, the ARPA, monies here, the increases due to the hotel motel tax. So we collected more, so we transferred more. So this is a good thing. Here's the capital projects. There's no increase here. We didn't spend it for about 43% of what we budgeted, so we don't need an increase or an amendment. I do want to make a note that some of the departments or firms that didn't go over, they're not getting reduced bail. We're just keeping it the way it was. Here's the improsse funds. They have the biggest adjustments. I'm going to go through that through the rest of the presentation separately. The internal service violence, the majority of that was insurance, so some of the claims that we experienced last year was more than what we expected or budgeted, but we did have the premiums to cover it, so there was a net income in that phone. here's the authority at the time this does include tourism and DDA and PDA. The difference here, there was a smaller amount from land bank and then there was amounts for the interest in the DDA mine. So we had to pay more interest than the originally intended for budget. So I will say for the amended budget, this just looks at expenses. Revenues we were received about 7 million more than what we budgeted. So even though we spent more, we also received more in as however I was to cover these extra expenses. So looking at enterprise funds, these are the ones in particular that we need to do a minimum for. Again, the other funds, they did not spend over their budget, they actually did much, much lower, so we won't touch those, but again, this is just the expenses. So we look at one by one, electric, you should be familiar with this, this supply cost increase greatly this year, and so we implemented that PCA, so there was revenues the offset is caused. Natural gas we were well under budgets however we did transfer to the reserves and so that does have to be accounted for as a transfer in the budget. Even though the money goes to us we still have to account for it as a transfer. Same thing with Solid Waste, we did a transfer to the reserves here of 850,000 that was not budgeted. If you recall, remove positions for customer service into the broadband department so that we can cover the transition for the CNS-Next building transition. So we just move positions and salaries from one department to another and we do have to account for that in this department. Then lastly, golf course, they showed an increase just to salaries and inventory. So there's a lot of activity at the golf course, so the more we sailed, the more we have to purchase. Also, we did budget a bank and see in this department, but that was field, and so that exceeded salaries. So again, we want to, I mean the budget, from the original to the amended. Again, the expenses exceeded original budget, but the revenues exceeded the budget as well. So we do have the revenues to offset those costs. And that's what that says. So on Monday, I request that you consider a resolution to amend the 2024 budgets for all programs with revenues and expenses that exceed the budget and to include any necessary audit adjustments once we go through our audit. We are having new questions. So we had $7.3 million in extra revenues. Yes. And we was over budget, how much? It was, I believe five million is what we're amending, but that does include all of the savings from the other departments. It's actually, we spent less than one budget. So that seven point, what three million does not include the ones that you save from the other departments, a designated, it doesn't, it isn't, it's all of the collectively. So how would get extra revenue, what were we getting it from? Different places. Like the general fund, we receive more local options sales tax. We receive more rent speed money. We receive more revenues and electric from PCA adjustment. So it was just a lot of different aerials, but it's a good thing. So. The Wage, the Land to a couple of different fields. Okay. Bay buddy. Any other questions, Bradson? Any other questions, Bradson? No, that's it. That's a lot. It's a bit of a tough. Thanks, Absent. We do have one item to add to the draft agenda in relation to the CBG application. Pam will come back in here. So Pam can introduce this. Again, there's a contingency here. If we get everything worked out between Monday, if we don't, then this one will be cool as well. And we'll come together here. We just got the budget provision today. So if approved, I'm going to be asking for a resolution for the match. Again, understanding that everything's in place, that it will transfer to House Yon-Hon. The total budget is 6.4 million, with a grant of 2 million. Most of those costs are for the construction, about 4.4 million is what is cash. How sent home will be closing right at or about the time that the grant application is in so they will already put in most a lot of the cashmatch other than for the construction. So you'll have a resolution to accept this in amount of $4 billion, $4 billion or $000, which includes some in-kind dollars as well. So cashmatch would be the 4.42 million. And so we'll be asking for the resolution that we provide that. Again, there's all the documentation will be included, letters, resolutions from the House of the Oremilv that, that's their responsibility. Any questions about that? Thanks, Pam. And that is it for the agenda. For Monday, we do have a couple staff reports. First, we'll be the executive director of the House of authority, just in my house. We'll be going through the presentation for you all. I'll tell just in my house. I'm going to grace the next kind of presentation for you all. I told you to keep it over an hour and a half. You just go make a vomit. I get a five minute. I get a five minute. I get a five minute. So everybody on my house was easy. But it's also under the director of the Plville High School Authority, Thunder Hood, the federal amendment. On this slide, this gives you the five complexes that we have in Thomasville. One of them is Conor's Terraces, where it offices. other Cher Apartments on Ridge Street, the other one is Faircloth Homes, Dorst Street inside, Flipper Homes, Robtside, Clifford Roots, Normal Park, is that on Leicester Street. So there's 254 units, various from three barons, two barons, one barons. There's only four, two four barons apartments we have, and that's at Faircloth Homes. We are 100% full. We are taking applications once every third Thursday, but we still have a good application tool. Next slide is how rent is based. Rent is a term of 30% of families income. There are an adoption for children, for an eight dollar adoption of children, that will weigh 400 dollar adoption. And also if the tenant has a job and has daycare, they can bring the daycare paper and it shows how much they can and will do a deduction for standards from it. And that gives you your monthly rent. And so I put down as of March 1st, 25. I meant to put in if you have it. So we have 254 units. If you average, everybody, if you add everybody to rent total for the house authority and divide it about 254, the average right now is $340 a month. The reason why I put that in there is a lot of people don't that do not know public housing. A lot of people think that the rent's 30 to 40 $50. People live that you know, the state of what our mind is not true. Right now if Adam O'Leal, I can say there's averages $340 a month. See. Alright, next slide. I showed the utilities. So this is per bedroom size, electricity, one bedrooms, I say, car wash terrace, one bedrooms, tenant receded 158 units, killer wipes, and then 24 gas. So what we do is we put that in, when we move in, better and size of it or adjusted. So each month we read the meters because every tenet has a meter, every complex has a master meter which is a house authority pays five complex five master meters. So whatever tenet uses over their allowance they pay the house authority didn't. The next month what they use over when they pay the rent That makes sense Okay, so a lot of the older tenants there See they walk they'll stay under their allowance So they'll try to run their every listener and they won't get you to the deal So the use generation they're gonna run that AC and they get a surprise thing. So that's how the utilities move out. So whenever a tenant moves out, we go in, make all repairs needed. We go in and paint the whole unit with one color. We make it harder repairs. We clean the whole unit, everything in it, and then we strip the floors, wipe the floors. So when it's in it moves in, it's like brand new, quickly wind it outside inside. So when you're removing it, it's like brand new, even though they're built in our 250, they still look real good when everything's done and move in. So the next slide is, so this is the flat rent and we have this adjusted every year so right now one of their own's fair market rent is $1,034. 8% which is hours, the housing go is $827 a month. Two bedrooms, housing go for housing. $916, three bedrooms, 1180, and then, like I said, there's only two four bedrooms and their rent would be $1,214. And that's based on third-seller income. And believe it or not, three bedrooms would probably have 20 people at pay $1,180. For public housing, which to us ever flex us to main skies, everything, or runs, that tennis wants to stay there. Called, first of all, we do repairs right when they're called in and we try to get to them within two hours also safe to stay I have cameras at each site on that note you can have to police department, they use them for Friday with the incident that happened. So... on that note that you can have the police department they use them for Friday with the incident that happened. So that's it. Does anybody have any questions on how we build it? And so do you do have people who pay less than that right? Just want to show them a lot of people right? So if you have a job, you lose that job and bring in separation notice, we put that in, and they have to have some kind of forum of how to how can they pay to rent, even if it's a mother, father, anybody. So they rent, we're going to get $50 in the next month. So if they pay a little bit of dollars, they lose their job. The KP11, if I have to move out, it's not that case. So once they get a job, they get 10 days reported. They bring it in and we make adjustments and rent not the next month and month after. So two months, they get rid of the money going and then they bring it in and they're free. We'll go to their second month. Well, they have to pay back pay. Must they get a job? No, no, no. OK, great. That's what it's designed for. You know how to single pair, single mother, single mothers. That's why it's what. What's the answer to that? No no no no. I thought the rent was three to two hundred a month over there. Even fifty. Even $50. Okay. Now I do want to commend you on that gray that you put on those apartments, those housing over there. You're welcome. That was just, that's beautiful to me. Well, you know, we're trying to get away from the project. Look, yes. Even though we had to go out, when I see a money which they put gives us money every year and right now it's last three years and it's seven hundred thousand each year to make mock you know like rules follow by anything up keep it but I went out with him and came to to the um complexes. Yeah it was. And it's really love it because it gives it that it looks like a proper complex. Yes, it does. Also, I'm committed to, I think, I'll do a great job maintaining them. Personally, I never hear bad things about how those are run. And I mean, that's a lot of effort behind the scenes that makes sense. And how clean it is, because I've been through there many times, and it's just clean and nice and everything, and it's been there for a hundred years. Thank you. Yes. I've been a great job with that. I mean it's always been like that. You know what I was always told to ride it like you're on it. Yes. I like my illiterate tenants mostly. I make you safe and clean and in way with tell you we work good with police department. My camera showed something that happened last Friday, right beside Harp School, and my camera showed you, and they called me out. That's what it is. Thank you for what you do over there. Yes. You keep it looking good, and we don't hear any complaints, or anything, or anything happening over there, you do outstanding job, you and your crew, your maintenance crew. Yeah, it takes everybody in. I have maintenance guys to average. They have six maintenance guys with included maintenance right there. And the average, the employees, they have 20 years. So you know what I mean? They know what to do. What to do. Go in and clean them up. Get them ready to be rented. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Do you have one more staff report and that's going to be from Darlene Taylor from the Center for the Arts? And if you're called back in August, you gave me a bit of presentation or a crosswalk mural to connect to the boys and girls club. Now I'll bring the anatomy into the amphitheater's park. You want to come around? Yeah, you'll be a human as well. I'm sure, year. So I'm sure I'm sure. So I have a packet for five packets. Can I use it? Yeah. So as promised, when we started this journey in August, I said that I would come back after everything was approved and we had final design so that we could update records for everyone and the files. So if you'll find in your packet, there's a copy of the application that actually was submitted in January after a lot of work for that. The feedback that we received from Curtis Crawford. I don't really want to get it. Oh, no one has actually been in the lab for a month. Okay. My phone is at home. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Okay. We can hear you the way people watch. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So the first thing is the application that we submitted in January, but we started this in June and August. Feedback from Curtis Crocker for what was accepted, what the guidelines were, his suggestions. I have submitted also the road closing by idea of what would be the best for road closing during the time so that none of the businesses would be hurt by that. And approved color palette using the insulates paint, which is the high traffic paint that the city uses. And the next document is the final design, using all of those colors, all those guidelines in place. And then finally, a set of the approval dots with the right-away format. So that's what your packet has. And I'm also bringing to you something I did the first time I was here, but the Bloomberg Blandthropies, their asphalt art safety study, which really gives you all of the percentages of people. I mean, the decreases in crashes and that sort of thing, the rate of crashes leading to injuries, the total crash rate, pedestrian crossings, just a lot of things that happen from cross walls. So, leave that. Just keep that. And I didn't want to, just in case, there's any question. This project started out as a project to and partnership with the schools, and of course the city, but it was really focusing on the schools and the crosswalks at each school and how they introduced they are. And I've had the schools reached out to me and I brought it to my attention and I think that would be interested in working with them on that. And then once we got into it, of course we intend to sit this permission, but we realized that the amphitheater with so much traffic every month, and having the boys and girls club there which is an after school program, we just felt like that the amphitheater of 3,000 sometimes people are not or war. It just makes sense to do it in that one location. I would never want to do it anywhere else downtown. I'm going to be honest with you in historic district. I'm not a mural person, I'm not a permanent mural person. I think that there's a time and place for it. I'm certainly on I am putting all history to be the best important thing. Everything I do includes history. I work with history center everyday but I do believe there's a there's room for art and history history in our downtown, especially in the creative district. So that being said, I'm just reporting as we've talked about, and is there anything else on these? It just be clear, this is the final. Right. And it is part of me. There's a lot in the packet. Yes. Based on all of them. This is guidelines. Does this tie into other, I mean, you work with the schools, but this isn't about school kids walking. This is more for... Well, it's after school. After school, that is the reason that we chose to do that one. But the rest, anything else that we do would be completely connected to the school. Like Ed scholars in Washington, why did that intersection? This particular intersection is considered, I was told it was one of the most dangerous intersections in downtown. And with the Boys and Girls Club after school being there, that was, you know. In the summer, they come to me in that park every day. Their full summer camp is most, I mean they spend so much time in the amphibian or I would summer, they're back and forth at the corner. I think the jerk kids was there this past week and they're going again this week to have there. It's great that they're there. I mean, we wanted to be pleasing and we wanted to be, you know, we wanted people to walk in our town and crosswalk murals, encourage walkability and so I'm just, again again, I don't want it to be something that we do. I'm just not of that. I'm trying to do them all over at all. I want them to be subtle. I want them to be only when they're really, they'll be helpful. I hope they'll be helpful. And who knows? And, you know, we don't know if the paint will be three years to five years. It depends on whether they have traffic. It depends on a lot of things. And it's technically ours is paying for it. You know, this particular one. And we are, you know, we have, you know, we have, you know, an agreement that we have signed that says that if it becomes an And I saw it anyway, then the city can paint over it and then just go back to a cross line. The ideas were hopefully in that time period that we're able to get people used to slowing down around the curve and just being conscious, and there were encouragement people to walk. So how long will it take to do them all? Well, it's about a week, you know, you don't know about the weather, so we block a week and pray that it won't rain, you know, and you should have all received your papers, or the invitation for the ribbon cutting Friday the the 4th, but they'll start painting on March 31st. We don't know until we get in. I mean, it has to do with asphalt and how rough it is. There's so many things to think about. I'm the one for the school at scholars. I would have seen, and we're trying to hold onto the completed finish with construction, And also until we never the city will pay that rate because it looks like there might be, it might be on the list and so of course we want to pay it first but they're really concerned about that corner at Glenn, William, Washington say. That's how this all started really. So just to be clear, this is not an installation per se. This is a more of a permanent asphalt wall. That's going in. So this is not coordinated with the un-vacant lot or anything that's happening to do so. This is a standalone project. It's an initiative, the Art of Safety initiative, that is just trying to do something that will slow down and make the street safer for crossing for our youth and for the pedestrians because there has been, you've been amazed how many pedestrian accidents have been caused while it's in Thompson, Georgia. I can't remember the number of it out. When I came in August, I believe that it's something like eight people. There have been fatalities for eight. That's too many. You know, I mean, once too many. You said, I'm hoping that it just is, really, it's doing it in our full way. Okay, questions? Good. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you, darling. It's all I have, Mayor. All right. Next on the agenda, citizens, we heard, remember citizens, you have three minutes, Mr. Sanders will. Keep the time. First we have, Mr. Ian Quentin, I think there's 125 North Steven Street. That's correct. Mayor Council member, stop. Before my three-minute start, I just have to question whether or not the report was just given by a stock report. Realistically, till I found something different different I don't believe the diamonds on the staff at the city so I like a little means with three minutes. You got three minutes. My concern Todd Mr. Molling is that to start with this project that Dominic was talking about is in the downtown district. In my knowledge, nobody has made a presentation at the HPC on this project at all. It was a background about 12 years ago, a mural came to the HPC and it was decided at that point to defer to the city and set up a independent a independent arts commission to review art taking place downtown and in around town itself. That has not been done. Here's my big concern. My concern is not across the world on Remington. But if you approve and put your name on this project, you're about to put the city in position without authority at the HPC, which by the way says that refer required change in appearance after the designation by ordinance of a historic property or historic district, no material change in the exterior appearance of such historic property or structure, site, object or work of art within such a district should be made or permitted without made by the owner or occupant, therefore, until a certificate of appropriateness has been granted by the commission. Somehow, everybody jumped that step in here. And if you allow this to happen, then anybody who has a project that probably should have gone through a certificate of appropriateness now has a basis to say say, well you can just skip the HPC? The HPC has authority on this stuff in the historic district. Not city manager, not the city engineer, and certainly not this board until it's gone through HPC. And this, and I have to tell you, the people that said for their eyes, including Miss Taylor, was part of that conversation 12 years ago, and 10 years ago, and 5 years ago. The City Council was ready to react about 4 years ago, 5 years ago, and Liam's and Moon Spin started painting murals without authority. And you're about to be conversations in painting a mural. I have to tell tell you this is a real problem. It's not the crosswalk. It's the fact that there is a process and you guys have not gone through the process. And you basically told everybody who participates in the HPC and the writing of those recommendations at HPC is a difficult appropriate, that their voice should not be heard. And that's just flat out wrong. So and also as a property under it be nice to be told and some is about paying something in front of your building. Time. Mr. Sanders, will you check on that for us please? Yes. And Mr. Quint, we did. It was on the agenda in August. Yeah, last time it was August. Sorry, it was on the agenda in the agenda's public notice. So it was on the agenda about this and the location. So it was out for the public. Next, Mr. Alfred, is it Gomez? Gomez? Gomez. 403 East Washington Street. We. 4-0-3 East Washington Street. Over to Comas, 4-2-3 East Washington Street. Hello. I just want to count on the second, what the prior gentleman had to say. I have my member over at HPC. I'm not representing the Commission, but that's a city neighborhood. I would like to express that. I think this should go through HPC. That's the purpose of the commission is to look at cases like this. So I just wanted to voice that out. Thank you. Like I said, we have Mr Sanders checked and make sure that that's what it's supposed to do. Thank you. All right. Anybody else? Thank you all for coming. Thank you, Mr. Quentin. Mr. Comass for coming today to voice your opinion. We stand adjourned. I'm going to get out of here. you you you Thank you.