Ladies and gentlemen, I think we're about ready to proceed. Everybody is ready. If you would join me with the pleasure of our leave. I would like to thank you to the United States of America and to the Republic for which you say one nation, under God, individual liberty and justice for all. Is there any one of the audience who would like to offer an opening prayer, a need of that right up here rally? If anybody can offer an opening prayer, it's a need of will you. Thank you, God. Let us a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. in this meeting, let your will be done because your will is the only great and perfect will. We pray God in the name of Jesus that you will be done, because your will is the only great and perfect will. We pray God in the name of Jesus, that you will bless all under the sound of my weak voice, and may everything be handed decently and in order. In Jesus name we pray, amen. Amen. Very welcome. Madam Clerk. Mayor Green. Here. Vice Mayor Edenske. Here. Councilman Lehman. Here. Councilwoman Hintrar. Here. Councilman Dunn. Here. Sean McLean Finance Officer. Here. Michelle Ward Assistant Clerk. Here. I was looking at you. Michelle, Michelle, Michelle Leonard assistant clerk. Here. Captain Bray. Here. City Attorney Andrew Hand. I'm here. The agenda for this meeting was posted on the city's website. City Hall Bulletin Board on Thursday March 13, 2025. Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to make an opening statement? I wish to make it clear that anyone who wishes to provide public comment will be able to do so by participating in the special City Council meeting in person. So as we move forward, if anyone would like to make a statement at this particular time, this does not preclude you from being able to make a statement later on if you so choose. So if anyone, I see anyone want to make an opening statement. All right, well then we'll move on then. We'll move on to the regular agenda. Agreement. Agreement AGR 2025, National 9 for law enforcement services. And who wants to start this discussion? Go ahead. Oh. Valerie? I'm kind of like the hear from a statement. I personally would. Yes. Andrew, you have the floor. I'm going to ask Andrew to make a statement. I personally would. Yes. And I don't that? Is that okay for me, Mr. Mayor? Andrew, you have the floor. Thank you, Mayor. You have in front of you the latest draft, the contract. I hope that most of you had the chance to review some of the latest additions. They're rather minor. There's some language in there specifically speaking to enforcement of dened ordinances. There is a section within denellen's code that directs or provides authority for agencies other than the denellened police department to enforce ordinances, usually through mutual aid agreement, agreement, south design for, for ordinances that are penal in nature. So that language, or at least a reference to the ordinance remains in there and in addition there's some language that states the sheriff be responsible for enforcing ordinances customarily enforced by the Nell and Law Enforcement. So in other words anything that police department has been enforcing the sheriff's grief to continue enforcing that or at least per this draft that That's covered within the agreement, anything going forward, you know, when the city adopts in an ordinance and so forth, you can discuss that for the sheriff and add some of that language into the ordinance that it is penal and nature if that is indeed the case. And that would be some of the least of discussion when the ordinance is drafted and adopted. As to other edits, there are just some edits regarding the City Council's ultimate authority to really administer its agreement. In other words, you remain in control, or retain control over the services provided simply by being able to exit the contract, which is important for the law. Other than that, there have not been substantial changes from the last version that you received prior to this one. I know one of the things to discuss may be river patrol and what the duties would be regarding marine activities and what the first term would be. Would that be till the end of the fiscal? How would that run right now? I believe the agreement is set up upon execution. However, as I understand it, May 13th is sort of the deadline or a start date that the city may be looking at given that's when the current agreement with the sheriff ends. And other than that, I am available for questions. I've been working with sheriff's council on that and they've been excellent to work with. And I would imagine we have a sheriff's council here. Would you like to address the council at this point? I think that would connect well with the Andrew statement. And welcome. I think sir, thank you for having me. And I think Mr. Henry pretty much summed everything up. If you guys have any questions, I'm more than happy to address them. Okay. Um. I'm sorry. Oh gosh, yes. Well, I didn't think you don't have to stay up. So this is kind of big, this is more kind of for us, whoever. And I apologize. I have this copy of Andrew's red copy. So I don't have like notes on this brand new one. So sorry guys. But and this is just a valid thing. It's regarding the chief of police. And it says that the chief of police will serve as a community resource officer and liaison on the screen. The no, and the share. That is fine. I'm OK with that except I would like to add the word chief of police will serve additionally as. And I don't, and I've talked to Andrew about it, I know it's kind of somatics, but I don't know. It just seems to me like a community resource officer is someone who, in my mind, is someone who goes to the schools and protects our children which cannot have a higher job in my opinion of protecting our kids. Please don't get me wrong. But I just think the word, I don't know. For some reason, I just think the word, additionally, his job is to keep a place and community resource officers. Does that make sense? Or is it just in Valerie's mind? Be nice, Natalie. Well, they're different. You have school resource officers, and then you have community resource officers. So I'm going to. Community resource officers in line with what other agencies use for this position. Okay. But as far as adding to Andrew or any of that, I sure I don't have any disagreement. I mean, it's just, it's kind of we're in two hats. Like, is how I look at it. And I guess that's where I'm coming from. It's just, that's just the very thing. And Councilwoman, what I would say is, you know, ultimately, whatever is inserted there, of course, in discussion with the council, would, somewhat depend on what these specific duties, the chief police, would retain if there is maritime patrol or something, you know, that would be in addition to those duties, you know, really beyond what a community resource officer would do. And in fact, you know, that may just be an addition of the specific maritime duty or a description of that. And hence the discussion this evening. Those, that job description was sent out to everybody. Was it? Yes, yes. Yeah, now I know we'll also be doing. And I guess I'm getting kind of confused is what the difference of a community officer and a chief of police is because he'll still be directing like our volunteers and those types of things as a chief of police to go out and schedule the police you know or the maritime patrol. And you know we're gonna still want him to be the face of our police department going to our Chamber and to our businesses. And so I think if you came to me and said, Oh, hi, this is our community resource officer. I would not think of him as my chief of police. Is that So please introduce him as your chief of police. That's a nice thing. Okay. I guess I'm saying he's wearing two clothes. I'm going to go to the office. I just applied, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. His duties will be in line with the positions. Okay. And I don't see with the Marine Patrol and the liaison between the city and our Sheriff's Department, it'll be a hand-in-hand situation. And that's what we're trying to achieve. And I think that's going to work out, Valerie. Okay. No, I know he's going to be better than I guess. That's fine. OK. Did you have something out to see? No, I'll let everybody else kind of go through it. And if I think of something else. Oh, I know I did have a question. Will our chief of police still be able to arrest people if they be? Yeah, yes. I'm saying yes. No, well, we said, we said he would delegate his authority, so I'm just making sure he's not delegating it to me when you say delegate your authority. I'm giving you my authority to do my do something. So that's I'm just making sure I want to understand. Oh good yeah. Got the people here to answer questions. Yeah so that's good. Okay. One thing we can add, Councilwoman, maybe to alleviate some of the concerns is just make it clear that and it's necessitated by the police chief title but it would be a sworn position as opposed to an on sworn. I believe in Florida community resource officers are generally typically not sworn. So we make that very clear. I think you should add in some of those specific details if it whatever discussion comes tonight regarding maritime. And again, it's not just for us who are sitting here tonight, but in five years from now or seven years, I want them to make sure that they're not confused on what a chief is and what a community resource officer is. Thank you. Well, my guess is that I think something else I'll raise my hand. Okay. All right, Rex. Well, in response to yours, my guess is that we're only going to be dealing with him as the chief position until the refer until it's officially put on the ballot to change the charge. Is that correct? No, sir. No, sir. The only thing to put the referendum out when it goes on a referendum and to say it passes to remove the chief position. that will just give us options in the future without having to wait two years to do a referendum. But there is no intent right now to remove that position. It is just the discussions that I have had. It is just, let's move forward with the referendum. If this council agrees, okay, so it has to come to that first. But the basis behind having a referendum in two years is just to remove it from the charter so that this gives council options Without waiting two years to do a referendum. But once if we do decide to remove us as keeping a chief That in that position will no longer no no no no that position will stay Okay, unless the council votes to remove that position at some future time So So that will be a permanent position. He will be the permanent liaison between us and regardless of the referendum. If we even do a referendum. Okay. No, exactly. We have a vote on it. Yeah, right. Disgusting. Right. But let's just answer your question, Rex. Say we do go forward with a referendum that does not remove this position. And the intent is to not remove this position right now. Okay. All right, too. That's a workshop for many months away. Right. I do have a couple of questions on that. And I'm looking at the staffing here. It says that there's going to be three officers on duty, pretty much the same thing we've got now of in the morning, an AM shift, a PM shift, and a bridge shift. And that's six people. So I'm assuming that your structure is what, a 40-hour work week or 36? I'll pass it on to a two week schedule, so it's an 80 hour or two weeks, so it does not work that way. One week. Okay. So my question is, is it the two petons is three times six is 18 positions you have to fill, but you've got Sunday. So, is that going to incur over time that? No, it's, it's, like I said, it's based on a two week period. So I could show you better. I guess if I had a schedule, but I don't, it's okay. So an absolute work Friday, Saturday, Sunday, then there would be off Monday, Tuesday, then they would work Wednesday, Thursday, then be off Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Okay, I see now. 12 R. Okay, I understand now how it's done. The other thing I asked about is, and I see in here is that if there is a contract with the, if you go back to the bargaining table and they're given a raise that Mary County is going to absorb the raise and we're not going to have to deal with the raise and just written in there. It's based on your CPI. Yes sir. No, see it. If you've never received the CPI for the, it would never have received the consumer price index increase. I know, but my question is, is it suppose your bargaining unit next year has a raise, and you give them a 5% across the board of raise. And if you're only going to raise it by the CPU, which is separate from what you agreed to in the bargaining unit, then that means that Marion County is going to be paying the extra 5%. So my question is, is how long is it going to be before those raises catch up with this before the cost of the contract increases exponentially? Do you follow what I'm saying? We have to say what we're saying. I get it clearly that we're saying. But that's why it's built in the contract. So it doesn't happen that we come back next year and say, we gave a 5% raise. Now we're going to raise our contract rate 5%. Plus the CPU. That's why it's in the contract saying just the CPU. But it also says in there that we don't make up the over the over for the contract. Correct. Right. But do you understand what I'm getting at is that if they take a 5% hit, how many times are they going to think the 5% hit or the 3% hit or the 2% hit, before it's such a great source causing them money. And at some point, instead of an automatic renewal, then that would be prior to the automatic renewal in whatever fiscal year, before September 30th, they can come back and negotiate that. Well, one thing know, is regardless of who would be maintaining this salary basis for the service, we would be under the same obligation to provide the raise for the employees in our negotiations also. Right. So it's like all votes get lifted at the same time. If the tide comes in and the tide rises, well then we would have had to pay it anyway. The words, it's all... I'm just for you to farther down the road in a couple of years, and then adds up that it could suddenly jump from a reasonable number to an unreasonable number to it to make it up. Because if a rate of 8% raise over three years, we're actually going to end up paying the 8%. So that'll be a substantial cost. So, okay, this is a question I wanted to do. The other question I want to ask is that I see in here it says that if we, I believe when you look at it, we were saying that say, maybe 15th, we go into this procedure, we have to start paying. So out of that $768,000, rather than be paying six months of it this year, right? Because the agreement's only going to be enforced from May until September. Yes, we have the the mountain contract. What? You have a period of the month. Okay. Okay. And the only other thing, a couple of other things. I see in here and I understand that you can reassign officers, but one of the things that you do say in here is that share of self-sign to basic level of staffing based on calls for service and the workload within Dunne Allen. Does that mean that you can determine, so say if you say, you know what, we really can't justify six officers that then you can then reassign another officer and say, we're gonna use them over here because you guys are paying for six officers to work to see what we're gonna provide you. I'm not familiar with that specific section, so maybe I'm gonna be able to speak on that, but. Yes, sir. There is a minimum base level of staffing that we've provided for in the contract and that minimum base level is six opposite. Okay, so we are gonna get the suit, okay. Yes sir. There is a minimum base level of staffing that we provide for in the contract and that minimum base level is six officers. Okay, so we are going to get the suit. Okay. Yes sir. The only time that he wouldn't is in the case of an absolute emergency elsewhere in the country. Yeah, I understand. Other than that base level of six, we can always assign more if need be. And that will work both ways. The reciprocal works both ways if we have an emergency in Dun Allen. They've always come in and assisted so we would be in a continued alley. I know this so for as long as I've been here, if you guys have a homicide we come work at. No, I have a criminal part of the city of Dun Allen or you have a sex crime we come work at or whenever you ask for help we've always been there and did it so. I guess the reason I'm asking is coming from the fire department down in day county hialia side of each related agreement the same kind of like this with day county figuring they were going to if they needed help they were going to get supplemented but what what what happened was the county had so many runs at all their trucks around all day in the county so I that's what I'm trying to ascertain is that we don't get in a position to where we need them over here. And if we're slow, we're the first, ours are the first officer to go. So there won't be just our answer in general, Paul, throughout the county. There are signs here. OK. Uh, the air is one of the air. Okay, and here we go. So I saw the thing about the now employs department and the chief, but I'm assuming that we're going to have to redo the chief of police community resource office serving. Some of the things that they're entitled to do that are listed here is his jobs is going to have to change because he won't be supervising directly Mary County police officers. Is that correct? In further contract this is actually what it states, that's correct. Oh, because it says here that you know it says that plans and direct directs all activities of the police department which I would least apartment. Yeah Donnellan police department, right? He's still gonna have staff. He's still going to have both I was coming in with He'll have reserve officers for the both patrol and But yeah, that is for the Donnellan police department not for the Mary County Sheriff's Office. But Rex, if our cat or our chief has to call the lieutenant or whomever and say, hey, those who were having an issue, I'm seeing an issue over here of, I don't know. Must rats going wild. That's where he can call them and say, hey, we need you extra over here. I'm sure he used the word please, and how that taken care of. So that's where his chief liaison position will come in. If the officers aren't seeing something, and he knows about something, he can call and get that taken care of for us. And the last asking I had it in this holiday I came from. We did the same thing with MetroDate is that they had a cause in the agreement that said that if they had trouble, if the city had trouble with any officer that they could ask him to be reassigned to back to the pool and get another officer would not cause. Would we be able to do that? No, absolutely. Yes, yes. I think that's it. Good questions. Good questions, right? Mr. Mayor. Yes, you're welcome. Can I just piggyback on that one question? Yes, absolutely. And I spoke to Andrew about this just because I want to make sure again, if we're not here and Ron not here and y'all are here, is there going to be a let's say we're having an issue with an officer and I'm sure we will not by the way but let's just say how do we what is there a written procedure that we will have that we can follow how to discuss it with I. I mean, we can certainly set up a procedure, but it all takes the phone call to the disc commander. She's going to be attentive to your needs. Just like not, I'm just not saying the city to know them, but that is her job. They're the sheriff of their district. So they're responsible for everything that happens in that district. And it has happened before that, you know, wrong human, we hire humans, so they're going to make mistakes. But it's happened before where we've had to move a deputy because he's not necessarily going along with the citizens in that area. So I just want to make sure that we were all clear of that. None of us, I mean, I knew we could call her, but I just want I make sure there wasn't another procedure that beside the phone call. Thank you. Sorry. I have one more question. I was talking to somebody who was involved in Mary County, and they said one of the things that you all would not respond to is noise complaints. That's not true. Is it you guys just don't handle? Not we do. Sometimes it gets lost in translation down to the line level. As a matter of fact, I think Mr. Don had a noise complaint in the situation that more than that. I just want to make sure, because I sometimes the line level first know, don't understand what our duties are and we just have to reeducate them and okay move forward but yes we do Well that brings up the point that The officers that are going to be assigned to done Allen are going to be familiar with our city ordinances Yes, and they're going to be working done Allen anyway So they will they will blend into the community and that and those issues will be handled just as they were before. Because the ordinances do not change and unfortunately the ordinance does not change. We already have the options checked. We are providing with an accident training now. We have that set up. So you brought a good point but we will definitely need to add. Or the training to that, you know, the training bar as it would give him before they come here so okay that is a good point. Well I heard it can't which one was good I got some questions yeah go ahead well I'm right down this page number when you get to yours. Okay, I'm looking at it's paragraph number 15. And I think it's been explained looking at this sheet that Mandy just gave us. I had to do with when this contract starts and when it ends. I wrote a note to myself, what about the 60 days that we're waiting with the union? And I think what I'm seeing here is the earliest that y'all would take over would be May 5th, May 13th. That sound right? Conflictually, yes. But if something happens between now and then, then you have the next of this this so people we're going to provide you with. You'll help us out. Okay. But deputies, not just we're answering the calls, we're going to assign deputies here earlier than we've read. Right. Because of what hit me when I read this, this first line, it says, the first term of this agreement will be when the last signature's on this agreement. And my first reaction was, Are we going to be paying officers and y'all, which now this makes sense. And I understand what you're also saying is we have a need, we get down to say two or three officers and we need help that y'all will provide it and will be charged whatever this is and I'm good with that. Okay. I just wanted to make sure because when I read it it real quick, it was like, well, wait a minute. What are we doing here? I got it. Well, can I put in with that one? Yes. The only thing that I have. So it'll be the same item, 15, same page wall I just spoke about. Okay, but my recommendation would be, is that instead of the agreement shelf commence upon signature of all parties, that we add the agreement will take place on 513. It'll line up with everything logistically wise as far as the last day of our officers, the 90-day agreement with the chief, et cetera. And the only reason that I'm asking that we, because the logistics of this is, once we're okay with this agreement, then it has to be worked out. The county attorney has to take a look at it. Then it comes back to everybody. We will have a meeting to approve that version if there's any changes. Then it has to go to the county commissioners for approval. And the reason I'm asking that we put a 513 dated and there is because then that informs the county commissioners of what date that we need to hit so that they can get it on their docket in time to do that. And just as the major said, if we have an exodus, they've told us over and over again that if we need help, they can bring folks in early. And we can kick it off and that would be a totally separate type issue type thing. But I think it would be wise that we give a date for the county commissioners so that they know what they're working with. Does anybody is it an objectionable item? Has anybody have any concerns about that? My only concern with putting a final date on it and maybe stepping a little bit out of bounds by speaking for the County in the past when I work with them. If they perhaps miss that date, they will kick the entire contract back and say we need you to redo it and then it sort of delays the whole entire process. Okay. But if we at least front and front with them and tell them hey, this needs to be done. Okay. Because right, the issue is we're not expecting to have any officers here after the 13th. As I stated, we're not going to let you not have somebody here. Okay. If we have to sign people here before this is all finalized, if we know what's going to happen, we're going to provide you guys with the companies. Okay. Good point. I understand what you're saying. That was sent us backwards for sure. Yeah. Well, I think hopefully that target date, here we are now working our way working our way through March and that's pretty good bit of time for them to, for their staff, you know, to have it placed on the agenda not telling them how to run their agendas, of course. I don't want that problem, but the suggestion is good because it gives us a timeline of basis of when we actually hope this will be consummated. But a good backfire on a straight. There's a potential. That's like the worst case scenario. So I was just leaving like it is. You're not a good author. I promise you that. Okay. That's something that I can address with the county attorney. Okay. As you would their availability is as far as because at the end of the day, it's all agreed to and so forth. I mean, and it's approved. You know, it's easy for the sheriff to withhold the signature until the date that he's become effective easy for the city to withhold the signature. It's really just a matter of, you know, making sure the county's on board. you have all the people in the room subject to speaking to the sheriff, you know, getting on the same terms here. So, you know, I think there's a couple different ways that we can handle that if we need to and if we get over seven weeks it hopefully will. Okay, super. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I'll leave it like it. I'm good. Yeah. I'm sure it lies for a little backwards. We'll stay in Andrew's pocket. Having worked with Billy Woods the last time we had this, he was very amenable to helping when we walked into a situation with no deputies or no policemen and I'm sure he'll help us out and you know help us out. So that doesn't bother me. Okay. On the next paragraph 16, the only question I had, let's see if it makes any sense. Oh it had to do with the day we're gonna pay this every month. Mandy, does that, does that date need to be any specific? It says county will be paid by X day of each month. We want to put a date there. I've just changed it to the first day of the month. I was going to say the first or the fifth day, but you know, either one's fine with me. But I think we need a date there. So everybody knows once this thing goes live, when we're going to pay them, and when they're going to get paid. Well, if we're starting on the 13th, it seems like if we pay them on the 15th, then we're not having to pro-rate back dates. If that makes sense to anybody. No, that's where I was headed. Okay. all this I thought well I was either one and then I thought this but mainly I leave out of you you're going to you guys are going to write checks. I just think we need to nail a date now. Sean what do you think? Yeah as long as it's a set date it would be fine I'll make sure it's in the warrant. Right. Right. Right. So if we start the 13th, do you think maybe we should move it out to the first? I agree with the pro-ration. Yes, I'm pretty ready to do it. I'm good. All right. 15th of first. I don't care. That's right, and I look to Mandy and you guys right in checks. I mean, if it's the 13th, logic tells me the 15 because assume this stage doesn't move. Of course, if it moves at the 26th, I don't, I don't want to do. but I would say I still like first. I mean, honestly, we're just gonna owe you for two weeks. And... The only thing I see problematic about the 15th is if you got September 15th and then you got two weeks in the contract year, you're waiting till the October 15th. Oh yeah, you're right. Okay. Okay. This is time. All right. I'm good. You know what I mean? I just think we need a day. It's a pervade that first payment. Right. And then set it for the first of the month, so that... Okay, I'm good. I just think we need a day. It's per grade that first payment. Right. And then set it for the first of the month. So they. Okay. That's how you go. And that coincides with our budget anyway. Right. Right. Okay. First business day of the month. Work. Right. First business day is supposed to first day of the month. Yes. Yes. Okay. The next question I had was in paragraph 21, and it was more of a question to you, Mandy. It says that Dunnellen has to have adequate coverage. It says here, the agreement in the amount determined by Dunnellen to adequately ensure Dunnellen's legal liability here in, what is that amount that we even know? I mean, what are we insuring that? Well, there's different types of insurance. So there is a specific law enforcement liability that's included in our policy. That we would still carry because we would still have a sworn law enforcement officer employed by the city. Okay. So this is just saying we got to make sure we keep our liability. Yes, we won't change any of the coverages. We won't pay as much based on the number of police officers that we have. That will reduce the cost of premiums. Right now, that cost is based on payroll. Okay. Right now, while that number annually for the full police force that we have is 15,896 annually. Okay. My question really was, what is the dollar amount of that coverage? I mean, we talk about a million dollars or a half million dollars a week. Do you have the policy pulled up? No. Okay, I'm just asking a question. I don't think we need to find out right in a second. But I just want to make sure we are got adequate coverage, and I agree we're going to have one officer. So we've got to make sure that one officer got his down coverage needs to be right. If the coverage is good now, we should be good. Got how I'm going to show our results. No need to do anything. Just adjust it part of one person. Maybe we get a lesser rate because we only have one person that we're liable for. Okay. I think that was all I had because I think the chief right here, the other thing is, I think we're going to discuss later or maybe it's our next meeting. One of the roles and responsibilities of our police chief going to be compared to what they are today. And I know you produced something to him that I think was shared by everybody that we got to see kind of where we're heading with that. So that doesn't really need to be discussed now. And basically, that was just a compilation from Mandy going through the employment manual. Ron also going through the employment manual reaching out to other counties and getting their job descriptions for the CRO position. Lieutenant Bowie will help us out with information also. I just have compiled everything and put it out there for communication. All right, that's all I had. Rest of it, son. And just a minute, because I haven't read 5.0 or whatever point we're on right now, I was still stuck on this one. And I'm having a brain moment. There wasn't anything in the agreement for all enforcement services that I remember. We'll propose that with that. That said that the city of Denon will maintain the river from our city limits on the rivers. Was that in here or did I miss it? Did that need to be in here for that we know the, what? You're going to be in here for that we know what our job is and what your job is? When we have a river troll it will still cover from the top to the bottom of the whole river. I don't know if that will show me. Yeah I just want to make sure y'all didn't want, Y'all didn't know need. I just want to make sure that we have everything covered. Yeah. And you didn't want to know what the city of Denon was also doing in your agreement. What our job was, I guess. Right. They're still going to do what they do, basically. And then there's language in here that allows us to perform our duties also reverent patrol be in one. I just make it yeah again so. I do have another question and section 10 about the interagency coordination. How are we going to handle the if we need extra police officers for boom count or for any of those things? Are we going to be paying for them? So I think I don't know about you specifically, but I can tell you, like Williston PD for Bellevue PD, they have like the Christmas parade or Fourth of July parade. We provide them definitely Definitely we know charge the municipalities so that would be no different than you know. Then here and I don't know if we have done that here and not in the past. I just don't know. No, presently the special event whoever has the solding special event I use a chamber because they're the ones who hold the most here. They pay for the special, for the off-duty detail officers. So if it is, I guess if it's like a smaller event, like specialized that we can continue to do that, but if it's a city event, like, you know, I don't know what your boom tone is. That would be a chain book. That would be a we have is Christmas for you. So if you need additional people for that, we'll provide it just like a bulls' knife in American County. And we send people for the July and the Christmas parade. Awesome. OK. OK. OK. Perfect. So just for quick, because I thought that interagency coordination that I thought that was being taken out but that state. Okay. Sorry. That was an addition. Yeah, that was okay. I thought you would say baby was going away but okay. I must have misunderstood you sorry. Questions? Any other questions? Wally, do you have anything else? I have nothing on the contract. I'm good there. I have a 15 foot care of that. Would like to walk through the logistics. So everybody understands what the next steps are. Kind of an idea when they're going to happen and all that. We kind of got confusing so it works with Mandy to put together. Here's what the next steps are. Is that this sheet? Yes, ma'am. Thanks. Thank you all for answering all of our questions. And I made assumptions with the dates that are no longer based on this meeting here. Councils with Andrew that we can be revisiting those dates. I was on the assumption that we were going to be voting for this agreement tonight, but since it has to go to the county attorney, that's the one, if there's any change to that, that's the one that we need to review and vote on. Those changes there, that'd be the final draft. Can I ask your question? No, I'm absolutely interested about it. I wanted it just a moment Tim. Andrew, when do you think, do you have any idea how long it would take for the county to review this or how do they have it already? County has not reviewed it. I do not have any insight as to how long their review would necessarily take no but but certainly you know the dates that the city Importance ailing at dates can be conveyed to them and You know, I think we've we've got a little bit of time. Okay, so we don't that portion we just just have to set aside and see if we have the better. Right, that's why the 320 dates no longer. Okay, I understand. All right, we're done. So basically we have a special council meeting tonight to review the contract. I think everybody is agreeing that we're good with this draft. I think the very minor changes can be integrated, almost immediately. I'm just trying to understand a little bit more about the river patrol and exactly what you all envisioned, so that, you know, the sheriff's office can articulate that and tell the sheriff. I'm just a little bit unclear as well. My opinion is, River Patrol is captured that we don't need any changes now. I'm not the one that had the concerns. I don't want to speak out of turn for anybody. But there's language in there that they will perform River Patrol as they always have the entire river. There is language in there that we can perform our duties that it was kind of a broad statement. But in that broad statement allows us to perform whatever river patrol that we would like to do within our city limits. Yeah, I didn't have a problem with it. So I don't see anything that negates us from doing our river patrol. Limits what the sheriff's going to do like any means. Yeah, just as long as the sheriff will not be, I mean, we don't have to spell out that the sheriff's lieutenant is not in charge. I mean, it's not in charge of the river patrol from the city of Denellan. Right. Yeah. We have our own... Okay. Well, I think what we're looking at is a continuity of a similar situation we have now. The sheriff's department has jurisdiction everywhere. Of course. Well, what would happen is you'd have a hand-in-hand situation where you would have the Dun Allen auxiliary officers working with our chief of police and assisting and adding additional services available as far as law enforcement within the city. So it's a hand-in-hand operation. It gives us a better presence to visitors and to everybody and to our residents Which is how we do we do have it and we're going to continue it right and that will be hand-in-hand with the Sheriff's Department Yeah, so basically no changes there that that's that's what I'm envisioning right right I know we're envision it, but I guess Andrew we just want to make sure it's clearer on the document. I think it's more of a matter of if that's interpretation of the document, that's absolutely fine. I just want to make sure the parties have a meeting of the minds as to how that would work. And I don't know if that's how the sheriff's office understands it. How the sheriff understands it. You know, that's just a matter of going back and checking. You're making sure that everybody has that, those same expectations. I mean, if there's something you want to add, obviously you can put, you know, like I said before, we cover the river, the entirety of the river. And surely we don't, we wouldn't mind, you know, well, you know, replace chief Ed and whoever you're, you know, having additional support for the city. That would always be a better responsibility. Right. That's cool. Are you good, Andrew? Yes. Okay. We touched base on this at the last meeting. How do we want to pay for this service? I thought we came to a consensus to do it. Just pay for it as we pay for any other service contract. Now is the general fund. Don't go through the MSTU process and all that. We're taking it out of the police department funds of the general fund, right? We'll just make a line. We can still be under 0521. And it will just be a service agreement. Correct. Just like that. Okay, so okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. In this meeting, I thought we were, because we said we were going to, you know, it's not only agenda, we said we're going to go through job description for our chief and CRO. That's why we got to put together, got it out to everybody. Is everybody good with the job description? Can he, uh, think you don't want, you do want to add it? Hang on a second. Oh goodness. Oh goodness. You want me just get through my notes? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. On the first page, do we want, do they need to stay through all this or are they? But on the first, on number one, I just put for approval of City. The plans organized are exolective. It's police permit, for me, I had goals and policies for the department. Does it need to be something about, you know, for approval of City Council, the goals? For the justice. I can't go back to your evaluation process. Right. I just, I mean, because usually we, like, I know you'll come to us with goals or like objectives that you want to get done with the next year, but the city kind of has to agree that the city council has to approve them. See what I'm saying? Well, actually, you give me goals. Right. And then I get evaluated on whether or not I've met those goals. Right. But this is just saying that the police chief will give us goals. Right. And Ron helps out if we, if I'm going to speak, I think what this is is to make sure that for the reserve officers and cap and run himself or chief Ron whatever becomes. That we currently have the contract with the, I don't remember the name of who it is, but they're right there. Getting all of our policies up to speed. And so those would be the ones that Ron would work to, the reserve officers would work to, and it would be the chief's job to make sure that we have to correct policies and that those policies are communicated, the reserve officers have the training to them, etc. That's the way I understood this item. That is correct. If you look at the first one, you'll say four million gold and policies for the department. Ladder in the description, I'm not sure which line it is because I don't have that with me. Obviously, one of the things that the sheep will do is work with City Council to develop a strategic plan, which that will then produce. What the company is going to be for the department from that department goals and will achieve that strategic partner. And that falls under that. OK, that's OK. Does that make it clear, low clear? Yes, sir. Sorry. Now you're fine. You're fine. I'm trying to read on my cute little hand, right? I was good like 10 like the type it. And for the number 10 selects at assesses, assesses, they're all good at it and makes decisions on hiring promotions, termination, other disciplinary actions is needed for all members of the NLMPD. I get that but the only thing I would like to maybe have added in there is that they'll work with the Dennell and Human Resource Department or however we determine that. I just don't want to be where we're hiring people and HR is not reviewing those files first to make sure that they're compliant with all of our- And we have to do that to be compliant with the current policies. Okay, but you understand how that wording just kind of doesn't leave it that has to be with us as well or us the city. I just want to make sure we don't have any issues in the future. Good question.. And Access Cities Community Resource Officer, OK, we've got that one. Not sure. I'm some not a big fan of that wording, but that's OK. Now this is just a silly one. Well, not silly, but on the essential physical skills, it's way that, I just didn't see, and again, I don't know if this is something that I just assumed that it would have someplace in here that you had to be able to use a firearm. Is that not part of a job description or a physical skill that a police officer needs? This will be the essential skills in Mandia. I'll let you because now we get into kind of the third laborers practice. He's supposed to have a description. Obviously you have to be able to demonstrate the use of a fire on truth, change, or certification. Okay, okay, thank you. And then later on, part of the job requirements is maintaining that certification. Okay, so again, with not knowing what all the certifications for no good question. Maybe we should put in there that you need to know how to swim. And I want to see. I need to learn how to swim. Why do you give me a boat? Why are you having a heart? But yes we could have it. And all I'll say, I mean, you never know. I can drive above, not know how to swim. I've seen it happen. So, all right. Very wicked. I think really knowing of FDLE, CJA, IAS requirements and plan for government, is that in regards, is that the same thing as all the reports that you have to follow that we got deemed? That's all the rules and regulations in which we have to comply with with any type of information that criminal or any protective information that we would have access to. Okay. That's one of the things that we had to address early on in the last scenario in order to be compliant with that. That's what I'm just trying to make. That's where I assume it. You're correct. You're right. I'm right. I'm also an earcope. Okay. I think those were really kind of my just little tick-to-t On the front page I remember our 11th works with the City Council to develop a strategic plan for the department annually. So we can develop a strategic plan but it's going to have to be implemented within the overall structure of the Marion County Sheriff's Office. Absolutely not. No Nellon Police Department will, you get to look at it this way. I guess, and I'm not going to be getting into the attorney term, but what the city of the Nellon is currently doing is they're maintaining their police support, but they're contracting for patrol and law enforcement services to the Marion County Sheriff's Department. I guess that's kind of the reader's digest version of my far off. Okay. And we could be hyersics. Why Z-place officer? You know, they're going to be taking that responsibility away from the denouement we used to talk about this. So just like the rigor of control, the rigor of control is basically- So basically- So basically- Nothing changes. Okay, so- department that in essence is going to be you and two or three reserve officers. Correct. Okay, so you will be determining the strategic plan for those people. I'll be determining the strategic plan in conjunction with you to determine what that's going to be for the denial of police. For yourself and the reserve. And then from that, once I get that from confirmed by this council, then we'll go back to the department within itself and then develop the goals to achieve that strategic plan. Okay. But I'm assuming that along the way with this organization, I'm sure that if we do have issues with what's coming on with like what our perception of what Mary and County Sheriff's Office should be doing, we will be able to contact them in terms of how we feel the operations going. as far as for Mary County. Oh absolutely. Just what the maker said you're going to have access to that command staff if you have questions or concerns. Just like if you picked up the phone and called me. You know, I don't think you'll have any problems stating and response or anything like that. Are our reserve officers paid? No, absolutely. OK. Not as it today. But Rex, I think if we have an issue, we can, the chief will be our liaison, in Valarie's vision, he is our first person that we go to. We're not satisfied with how he got it to be here, then we can call Lieutenant because he didn't give me the action that I wanted. And the partnership with the Sheriff's Department will be such, I mean, as it is currently now, I talk to Lieutenant almost daily multiple times a day. And I can't see that changing a lot in the future. So the partnership will still have to remain strong with the Demail Police Department. Obviously, they're picking up a lot more responsibility, but that partnership will still continue, as it has been for years. I think that statement right there is the key to this whole effort, is we want to continue ourality of the best law enforcement we can offer our citizens and our businesses. That's the goal. That's the bottom line. That's where we want to wind up. And I think Captain Rae and Lieutenant Bowinkle have done a good job so far. And I'd like to see this continue, this activity. I think we're on the right track. And I think we're really in a good position to explain this to our citizens. So that they'll understand exactly what we're trying to achieve. Absolutely. I really do. I didn't mean it tended you. No, no service. What this is about. Okay. Well, if everybody's good with number two. Well, do you have anything I'm totally good with. I do have another question. I received an email this week from Kathy Dunn, I believe. She was pointing out how many times people are parking on the grass. Is that going to be your jurisdiction or are you going to be calling Marion County out to enforce that? Well primarily it's going to be the sheriff's department forcing that because they're going to be handling the patrol portion of that. But just like I had done in the past and I will do probably continue to do in the future. If I adopt the vote here and walk up into the parking lot and see the violation, I will have the authority and the ability to be shown a citation. Okay. And you know, everything will be truly a partnership. It will be working as a mayor set hand in hand. So, but yes, the death needs to be assigned here and it will be primarily doing that. Okay. I just don't know. It's a very good question, Max. I just don't want to be at a point where in three months, well, we don't do that or we're not clear. But it's gonna be a big problem, because if you saw, I don't know if you else saw the email of all the pictures, but people were just parking. Yes. Or people coming into the area is. That's how many years. And I'm sure with you that the chairs are working is very well aware of that email in that situation. And they're already developing, okay, the values to kind of get that under control as well. Because it's something we encounter with every year. Does the council, do you have any more terms? Yes, sir. All right, we'll hit. We're going down to number three, special council meeting, devoted on the contract with the Mayor and County Sheriff's Office and select the NLPD chief and a CRO position. I had today's date on there, but as we spoke, that'll move out until after we get any changes back from the counting. The next ones, we're putting together so we can present to the council. We're going to have these one-time costs for transitioning from a rat right now. But good thing we're moving it down because I'm not ready today. Just starting to work that up. Now, resolution, I think is the next item on the agenda, so I'll just skip that one for here. County Commission approval is just one of the steps that has to happen. Just guys and note their meetings are the first and third two Z's of the month. And as I was educated tonight, the step before that needs to be the county attorney. So the county attorney, us review any changes from that, approve that agreement, sign the agreement, and then it goes to the county commissioners. Is that correct, Marissa? Yes, sir. Thank you. Did me catch off guard? I wasn't looking up. Okay, and then we have a list of, so naturally we have our contracts and agreements that we have to terminate that we no longer need. I'll bring that list here in the next meeting is done. So just got to find it here. We presently have 16 agreements in place. And I've gone myself, Ron, and Mandy, between all of us have gone through all the agreements. I won't go through all 16 items and bore you with that. But what my point is, we know what agreements that we have. We have read all the agreements in contracts, so we understand what language is in there for termination clauses. And based on those termination clauses, some of them are a little bit vague. The ones that are vague where Captain Rod is meeting with those folks he's already met with some of them. So we can figure out, so we know exactly what we have to do with the contracts that are going to get terminated or changed. So I'm going to be naturally going to get reduced based on that. So my whole point with all that favel is, just when everybody understands, we understand what contracts we have. It's fluid right now as far as working with a couple of the vendors, and that's all we're down to as a couple of the vendors and we have a hand along through this transition with the contracts that are assigned to the Dunneville Police Department. We're talking about vendors. Ron, on our school enforcement program that we're putting on Cedar Street. That would be one of the contractors that Tim is speaking of now. Yes, that's where it's being. And you have, you've had a chance to discuss this with Lieutenant Vowe-Wekel about this project. So you're, we're on the same page with what we're trying to achieve with the school zone. Right, yeah, if I can put it in the contract. Okay, so there's, there's, it's a mutual understanding that we understand what we're trying to achieve. Okay. All right, I just, I just question. It's a second. You go, sir. Yes, that's fine. So you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. the evidence that we have over there and things like that were presently working on. We have a fairly good handle on some of the records. We have to figure out more, but we're working on those items. And naturally, we're putting the effective date. Okay? For long enforcement services, with the 513, that falls in line with the 60-day notice to our officers. It's almost like, I don't know if I'm man to you, Ron, it's almost like we conspired to do this, but this is just the way the dates worked out. It falls right in line one day before the 90 day agreement with the county for the chief position. And all that's where the 513 date comes in. So the 513 date is basically the goal. And they died in subalbert to get there. Valerie? Any? No, sir. Do you? I'm happy to help any way I can have. I mean, I just have a question. Are you all going to be hiring any of our officers? Oh, I can't necessarily answer that. I can tell you that the two applied already. They did not make it through our process. The two that are applied, but those are the two that are applied so far. So I can't tell you if you will or won't. Oh, okay. I understand. You know, if they do apply and How it works out for them. One thing I want to talk about was you skip. Or you wouldn't work, but I wasn't paying attention. Transfer records. So I'm assuming we're going to take your evidence and put it in our evidence, because you're not going to have a clerk here to watch over that. And then I'm'm going to talk to Sheryl, and it's for discussion, obviously. But I think it would be easier if we had your personnel that still here to achieve and your auxiliary added to our records management. So the reports from now on could just be entered in that system as opposed to having two separate record management systems because it's going to be hard for us, especially if there's any evidence that's turned in to have a chain of custody if that evidence is not in the same system. So- What was that in tail? I'm sorry. It just, in tail, is us giving you guys permission to, I say you guys whoever, you know, whatever officer permission to log on the system and start doing reports and training obviously and how do you use that system. Okay. I mean it's up for discussion obviously but, uh, and, uh, it can probably be the best course of action. When should we start doing that? You know, just not a load of question. If you don't know that, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. think about it be actually until I saw your list today and so I went to RIT and I was about about it. I'm going to be honest with you. I saw your list today. And so I went to our RIT and asked about transferring existing records. So there's still, you know, I'm assuming some of the one of the contractors are talking about the EIS. The EIS. Right. So the company we used to have the AIS. So the company we have now is familiar with transferring those records electronically and if you kept your ass, I guess they'd still use it still having to but EAS. So the company we have now is familiar with transferring those records electronically and if you have EAS, I guess they still use it still having to. But this way, you also have access to our system. We have access to theirs and it's going to be better for evidence because if you turn something in and it's only document any has, which we don't have access to, that would be a little problematic. Okay, good. Does that need to be put in the contract and that we will do that? I probably have, like today is the first day. I even, that was even a thought. So I just have to get with my IT guys researching it right now. But will he be done tomorrow? I don't know. But I do need to just get that finalized. It's not a problem with him adding them onto our system. It's just the current records, not what happens to those. Okay. Or the future, anything that, what get entered into EIS? Any case before it's if you're making a rest. Okay, so if we have it, if like, a camera makes any case reports, he would no longer do it through EIS. He would be followed underneath, do it with, we call it, let's call it smart cop. Okay, all right. So he'd be authorized to use that program simply go through that. So like you said, there's not disconnect between the two different programs. Okay. Awesome. If you guys are okay with that. Yeah. Yeah. We'll surely to maintain the EIS though. If we, I mean, that's up to you guys whether you do or not, but if we, if we transfer the records in EIS now into a SmartCop, which I just need some verification for my IT person hopefully tomorrow. I don't see why you would have to, but that's entirely like you guys. It's an expense that you, I don't necessarily think you would need, but I don't want to get forced. Andrew, would that be something we'd have to research? See if it's an necessity for us to. Yes. Okay. I'm fully in agreement that it should be in one spot and we don't need, you know, of course, as Andrew just acknowledged, to be sure that we're in line. Yep. That's why I saw. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. It's very cool. Does anybody on council have any other? I'll open it now to the floor for the public. Is anyone in the public have a question or a concern if they'd like the voice on this issue? Anyone? Now it's your time. You've got everybody here on all the decision makers are sitting here listening. We, this is the end. Please. Welcome. We, it's 117 now on Boston Street. I'm just trying to understand. So we're maintaining the Dunham and Police Department. We are maintaining what we're just going to be in contract with the Sheriff Department. Yes, ma'am. For additional services. I don't know if I say additional, we're just transferring since we're no longer, we're contracting out, basically we're contracting out officers and the right. So we're going to be a police department of one basically. That would be our chief of police and then whatever reserve officers would work. That would do marine patrol. How many on DPD officers we have now? Six? Six? Six? We do have six officers. Right. Oh, okay. All right. Okay. Well, how are we 41 has become? They turn our international speedway. Right. And Boston Street. I'm so afraid somebody's going to run into my house on the corner. Right. I know for these can be everywhere, but okay. thank you. Oh, absolutely, thank you. Thank you. Anita, I will tell you that in a joint meeting last week with the County Commissioners and the School Board, I referred to, for US 41, as little 200. And it got an enthusiastic reply when I've mentioned it. That's what we're facing here in Dunnell and Allen now so it was expressed in that meeting last week. You correct and we're never going to be that again. And that's one of the reasons that I want to focus on the next 5, 10, and 15 years and beyond. And that's basically what we're looking at right now with this decision. Trying to come up with something that looks to the future. My days have grown up here and having Mr. Dunwoody sitting down there, the old triangle with his arm hanging out outside of the car and you know, and living right down the street from him and all of that, those days are gone. We're not gonna see those anymore. And you know, and you hear people complaining about the service department and police department, but the human beings is like the rest of them. They can't be here in the world. Yeah, they got their work code out for them. Sir. the department and police department, but the human beings is like the rest of them. They got their work code out for them. Certainly do. We support them 100 percent. I can tell you that in their own efforts. Did anybody else in the public have another comment? Anyone else? Is it Council have anything else that they wanted to bring up? We have any staff that want to make a comment? I have a question. And Julie don't take this wrong, OK? You're working for the Marion County Sheriff. What you're designated as our police chief, quote unquote, you getting two pay jack Jack? I hope you are. I meant to say something about that, but because you're going to have a lot to do. And I know you do, because I've talked to you, and I know a lot of people have talked to you, but this transition is going to be difficult. I met him last week. But no, this transition, I'm glad to see it's coming with the right six deputies, I think it will go well. but y'all coordinating this for us is very enlightening. Mr. Mayor. Yes. Will we have an opportunity to meet all of them like a lack of that award in open house or meet and greet or maybe at whenever we decide to vote or the May 13th or whatever it is. It's just nice to put a face in a name and I won't remember their names because I'm Valerie but at least they don't have name badges on so that'll help me. But it will be nice for them to know who we are too. So thank you. That'd be my one request. I have one thing, Mr. Mayor, for your journey. And it's totally off of this subject. Do you go to Tallahassee next week? I'm reading every day a bill getting passed through and getting passed through hard by our representative to take away the further diminished hometown rule and it's a horrible one because basically it takes all the teeth away from our chart from our comp plan and it allows developers to come in here and put future ghettos in. Is that something that you could... of our comp plan and it allows developers to come in here and put future ghettos in. Is that something that you could? It will be, it will be topic one. Thank you, sir. In my conversations with our state senator. He had clarified yesterday, I think it was yesterday in a presentation on the issue. And it, I don't, it satisfied some people and other people were not satisfied. And I agree with your, I agree with that. We need to preserve our home rule. We know that, we run the city and we know that. And there are many, many cities in this state that I'll be meeting with next week. I go up Sunday and I'll be there till Thursday. And it is a very hot topic with our Florida League of Cities and our Florida League of Mayors. And I am participating in every activity up there. And I assure you that I'll do everything I can to sustain our home rule. And I promise you that. And I will talk to our state senator. I've known him many years. Not only is our state senator, he's a personal friend of mine. And I will definitely talk to him about this issue. And express to him the views of our citizens that we want to have home rule. We don't want all knowledge coming out of telehassa. Relicers aren't very happy about it either. I can understand. I can understand the disappointment that it's even coming before the legislature. But I assure you that I'll do everything I can to express that view. Thank you very much. Now just to bring us back to a agenda I pray that I got us off. Well it's a good time to ask me we're all sitting here and I am leaving Sunday. We don't want to skip over number two on the agenda the resolution. We don't have a resolution yet. I did reach out to the clerks in both Embronis and Christopher River because I'm fairly certain that they would have had to pass a similar resolution when they contracted with the Citrus County Sheriff's Office. And I have a gotten a response from maybe one of them, so, Andrew, I don't. It would be a very simple resolution. Okay. And if you have a model that you'd like me to, you know, I can wait. It's something that would be drafted very, very short time, and I would pass that on to legal counsel to the sheriff to have input. And in any case, whatever template I have or drafting it straight away, we'll have it for you by the next workshop to take a look at. And essentially that resolution would be adopted following adoption of the contract. Okay. And if it, the contract is post date per se then we just be setting a date and we would set the resolution to become effective upon the contract becoming effective. Thank you. Is that something I could probably with an inverness do a public record, ask for public records request? Okay. I just thought it'd be easier to get a response yet. Andrew did you have anything dad? I do not have a report this evening. I don't need a gen, but generally we always turn to you with a full and close of meeting. Does anyone else in the audience have any other comments they'd like to make? Okay Valerie There's a motion on the floor to adjourn. Second discussion all those in favor say aye