I'm sorry. I can go out and make even a whole big portion. Just like that. Welcome everybody. And tonight is our city commission meeting Monday, March 17, 2025. And for those of you who did not get a chance to come to Heritage, we can Mr. Aaron sat in the mayor's seat and I thought he was going gonna break my gavels. So he was just hammered on it. Well, you thought he was a rougher. But anyway, that's how it's done. Ha, ha, ha. Okay. We get started this evening. I'd like to invite Reverend Dorian Harris of St. Paul, I.M.E. Church of Blake Alfred up to ask the busing and implication and we'll go to the pledge allegiance from there. That's great. What we're agreeing today, Lord, is the period of growth, life, and hope. And so we thank you for growth, for life, and hope that we have in you. We pray that you bless this meeting and bless our time together today. Allow us to communicate, collaborate, critically, and do this thing together. Help us because we need it. We pray for all those who are dealing with disasters and this atmosphere and this climate blessed from the infants all the way to, I will call them the season saints. Me, with all of us and all of our guests for a different place of thank you for this commission. Thank you for the privilege of seeing Mayor and our commission and how a Hatsy Lord thank you there will only job doing at home or for the city lake out. Thank you for the privilege once again I'm saying you've blessed this meeting. We pray to send your son's name. Amen. quite believe in the existence of a flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands for the Nation and the All right. Good evening. Okay. I'm going to ask City Clerk Linda Boudreau to call the roll. Please. Mayor Fowler, Vice Mayor Daly, Commissioner Eden, Commissioner Dillman, Commissioner Maltzby. Thank you, ma'am. Okay. Now I'd like to ask City manager and the city for his announcements, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The community cleanup day will be held on Saturday, April the 5th. This will be from 10 a.m. to noon. We'll meet up at City Hall. At Brown Tears, we're welcome to attend. The week of April 7 through the 11th, City of Lake Alfred will pick up large bulk items. would include couches, chairs, tables, things of that nature, curbside hazardous materials can be dropped off at the Public Works Fac facility at 515 west end of the board and that will be from 8 a.m. and so 4 p.m. our next Ridge League of Cities dinner will be held in Arcadia on Thursday, April the 10th and this will be at the Turner Aggressive Center beginning at 6 p.mm. please get your RSVP to the City Clerk so we can pass us on to the Ridge League. Our next City Commission meeting will be held on April the 7th at 7 p.m. so we've got our buy week just with the five Monday's this month. We also have a municipal election that will take place on Tuesday, April 1st. That will be proposed, will be open at City Hall from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. So we will not have a meeting again until after the election. And then also wanted to add, I noticed it wasn't on the City Commission announcements, but just to add it to that, the Chamber of Commerce is hosting and meet the candidates for this Friday of the Baptist Church has agreed to host right here in town on East Haynes Boulevard and I believe that will start at 6 p.m. So we can just show that in the Commission Announcements since multiple City Commissioners will likely be in attendance. And that is all that I have, no other announcements. Okay, thank you, sir. Now I'd like to ask our city attorney for his announcements, please. Only that we remain grateful to represent the great city of Lake Alfred, Mayor. Thank you, sir. We appreciate you being here. Okay, we have some employee recognitions to discuss the seed name. Who's going to be coming out of here? We've got a question coming up. Oh, okay. Here we go. That we're going to click the radar. Speak up just a tiny bit please. Yeah, I can go click the radar. Public words directly. I'll see you later. I'll take that. I just want to do a quick reclamation for Jacob Lourd. Jacob started, he was hired in March of 2020. As it states, he has been a part of the leadership in utility maintenance, the vision as the superintendent. He has coordinated large water and solar affairs throughout the city. He has also been instrumental in making sure various meter reading and install schedules are met. Jacob himself motivated and always willing to help not only anyone in public works, but anyone throughout the organization. Due to his willingness to always strive to set a high standard at work, I recently promoted Jacob to my assistant public work director. In this role, Jacob will be assisting me with some of the many large projects that are in progress here at Lake Alfred. I would like to thank Jacob for his five years of service to the City of Lake Alfred, and I look forward to working with him for many more years. Just like him around the clock. Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. No. Okay, you want to do that? I want to do that. Okay. How good? You look. Wait, there's no problem at all. Okay. You know what? Just bring out the hand. I'm going to get a bottle. Okay. Yeah. Jacob, let me bring your hand. Hey, I'm listening to that. Hey, young guys. International Sludge, you guys over? I'm so sorry. the whole back and One, two, three. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect, thank you so much for your time. Thanks, thank you. Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, they're all coming. Okay. That's all we have for tonight, Mr. Mayor. The one announcement regarding the agenda, the resolution for Portion Recreation, that's going to just be converted to a discussion item and presentation for feedback. The consultant requested a little bit more time to finalize the attachments. So instead, we'll kind of take you through the full presentation and take feedback and pretty excited. We've just got a lot kind of in kind of in the mix here as you can see and and we're going to give a great presentation on the the parks. Did we need to do a motion to table that till next meeting? It's not a table because we're still going to present I think it's just a clarification on the agenda item that it's going to be presented for information only rather than the full resolution. So we're ready to move on to... Citizens recognition? Have you done a citizen recognition? Well, we're going to do it. I'm just wondering if all of our mics are feeding back. See if we can get that fixed. It doesn't just blow you out of your seats back there. Yeah. Okay. We will try to keep the static back to a minimum tonight. So Anyway, I've got a proclamation tonight to read into the record. It's Donate Life Month Proclamation. And before I read it, many of you are aware that I had a great niece who required a double lung transplant as a result of having pulmonary hypertension. And she did very, very well and actually had three sets of lungs that were offered two of them were not viable. So they passed on, there was a third set she got. And just as luck will have it, I mean I'm still a huge proponent of this, but as luck would have it, the young donor was an 18-year-old young lady and she donated her lungs and Brooklyn got those lungs. But the surgeons told the family that there was probably a 2% chance of having a shoot. Debbie, what's Epstein Bar Syndrome. And so they went ahead with the surgery and took the chance. And for the next year and a half, she excelled. She couldn't walk from here to the back door before she had the transplant. She went on to play high school tennis. She went on to snowboard at 10,000 feet. I mean, they'd moved to sea level just so she could breathe before she got the transplant. But the downside of that is the, she did the Gien, or the F-steam bar virus, did bring cancer into her body and we lost her last student. But I wanted to just let you know that, regardless of not all transplants are as successful as we might like sometimes, but the fact of the matter is, you know, it's still something that I would highly recommend looking into. So let me get this proclamation read. Whereas one of the most meaningful gifts that a human being can bestow upon another is the gift of life. And whereas over 104,000 men and women, children are currently on the national waiting list for organ transplant of which over 5,500 reside in Florida. And whereas 48,000-49, a historic number of organ transplants occurred in calendar year 2024 in the United States thanks to the generosity of 24,018 deceased or and living donors of which lifelink of Florida honored more donors than ever before serving 361 organ donors who provided 936 life saving transplants to patients in need. And whereas more than 2.5 million people throughout the count countries, excuse me, and in Florida benefits annual from tissue transplantation thanks to thousands of tissue donors. And whereas the need for organ, eye and tissue donations remains critical as a new patient is added to the national waiting list for organ transplant every eight minutes. And each day roughly 16 people die due to the lack of available organs. And whereas more than 11.1 million Floridians have already registered their decision to give the gift of life through organ donor and tissue donation at www.donatelifeflora.org or on their driver's license. And whereas life link of Florida is non-profit organization dedicated to the recovery of organs and tissue for transplant therapy in Florida, with a mission to honor donors and save lives through organ and tissue donation. Now therefore be it proclaimed that the City of Lake Alfred formerly recognizes the month of April 2025 as Donate Life Month. In the city of Lake Alfred, we encourage all residents to consider giving life through organ donation and to sign up on Florida's organ and tissue donor registry by visiting www.donatelifeforda.org or when reviewing their driver's license or state identification. And when this wherever I have here under set my hand on the 17th day of March 2025, Mack Fuller Mayor, Lake Outlet. So again I hope if you haven't already considered it you'd give us some thought. I know it's a lot more than organs you know bone grafts. There's a lot of things that are used from people who do donate their bodies to this program. So anyway, thank you so much for hearing me out on that one. That's been a real close thing for me and I don't go too many days without thinking of that. Remind our own recognition of citizens. Do I four. Did I go by that? I did. We have a recognition of citizens. I'm sorry. We, um, I slipped by that one. So if anybody has any items that are not on the agenda tonight, you're, you've got some time right now to come up to the podium and, uh, state your address and you've had five minutes. You have anybody that? Okay, seeing none, I will go on back down. Okay, we have a consent agenda to approve. So consent agenda number one, city commission meetings for March 3rd, 2025. Item number two is city commission announcements. Okay, this is an open meeting for the public. Are there any public comments to be made or questions regarding those minutes? Okay, seeing none, we'll move to City Commission comments. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve of the consent agenda. Okay. We have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Seeing none, the motion has carried. Now on to our agenda. And this is the one, City Manager mentioned on the Resolution 08-25, Parks and Recreation Master Plan. So I'm going to go ahead and let Seth read it in there. Or do you want to just kick it directly to me. Okay, we'll see. I will. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, no resolution. And just to expand upon that request, you know, we wanted the ability to pass it tonight, but the consultant was on a pretty tight timeline to do that. So they requested an additional time to finalize some of the estimates and the like. And so we'll just turn this into a presentation and discussion and have the kind of the opportunity there to work through it. I'm already the analysis and then I'll defer yield to Emily, the Parks and Rec Director to kind of walk us through a very similar presentation to what she did for the Parks and Rec creation board. As a housekeeping manager, could we get a motion and a second to amend the agenda, contain it from an action item to a discussion item. The vice mayor was fine. I think we move that week ahead and amend the agenda to make that resolution a discussion rather than an in connection. So moved. Okay. I just moved it in a second. Okay. Second, right. Okay. With the motion in a second, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Okay, with the motion of second all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that motion is carried so we will carry that forward. Very good. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The City Commission approved funding in the fiscal year 2324 budget for creating an updated parks and recreation master plan to establish funding priorities for future investments in park and recreation facilities, equipment and programming. At the end of 2023, the city solicited bids for consultants for professional services and entered into a continuing professional consulting agreement with Duberry on February 9th of 2024 on May 6th of 2024, City Commission approved task order number one to update the 2018 and 2019 Parks and Recreation Master Plan. Plan includes an analysis of existing facilities, troubles, service recommendations, funding opportunities, cost-assumments, and the implementation plan. Proposed Parks and Rec, Master Plan was prepared based on staff and public feedback. Plan was presented to the Parks and Rec Board on Monday, March the 10, and received a recommendation of approval. Board provided a recommendation to enlarge one of the little league fields on the northern complex to be full-size field, and that annotation has been added to the park's plan. Board also recommended the Open Play option for Central Park, and literally the option with the Baseball field. And then again, this is going to be being presented for information or presentation only. You know, this will become the updated master plan that will form the basis for future capital improvement investments in Parks and Rec. A financial study will need to be performed to update the city's impact, the analysis for Parks and Recreation to ensure that fees are supported by the most relevant and up-to-date information. So just to give a little bit of perspective again, we did the first ever Parks and Rec Master Plan back in 2018, updated it in 2019, and then you get about five years, five good years out of a master plan. So that master plan took us pretty far. We were able to do quite a bit of work at Central Park. We knocked out a lot of the neighborhood parks where the Alberta's Mousethe Community Center is, that playground, the ECHO Terrace neighborhood, we did the playground over there. And so the goal was really to go after the low hanging fruit forest. We knew kind of the the the a leagues or the major investment would be the community center in Lions Park but we knew that was going to have the biggest price tag we needed to address growers and other things. So over the last five years we've slowly kind of caught the ladder of different park projects and now we're moving to larger tier items. The City Commission recently approved a half million dollar investment into a playground at Central Park to date that's the largest expense that we've ever done in recreation as a one-off. So you'll see as we kind of go through this plan and some of the concepts, we're really out of the smaller and smaller scale projects. Probably the one that's left is going to be Lake Grove Show Park. That's going to be included from here. But we're basically out of the small stuff and out of the cheap stuff. So we're into the big leagues. We updated our impact fees back in 2019 as a result. The City Commission timed that perfectly to catch the growth swing. I can tell you many other cities around Polk County, especially the smaller ones, didn't. And so they got the growth and none of the impact fees to help offset those service demands. So we've got about $4 million to date and recreation fees, actually as of September. And so 500 of those have been allocated to the point project. But we've got about 3 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 and growing to start to go after some of these projects here. So we will use this to update the impact fees. But this is kind of the next leg of the race, to speak the 2018-2018-2018-2018-2018-2018-2018-2018-2018-2018 ready to pick it up and run its leg of the race. But very exciting, and with that, let me yield to a Proxene Emily Diel for presentation and she will walk us through it. Or in Emily's case she might jog us through it. Emily Diel parks the recreation director. Oh, she has the. How can we put her presentation up? Let me walk you. Yeah, start with the boards and I will be loaded up. So, this will be a combination of our, we've got a presentation to you with some updated site plans. So we've got some of these boards set up here for some of our fun part projects that we have going on. So the parts that we're going to talk about are some of the major updates we have planned. One of your favorite parts is not listed. That doesn't mean we're not going to touch it the next ten years. It just means it wasn't giving quite the facility update with some of these other ones are. So just because it's not on the list, doesn't mean it's not going to be fixed up a little bit in the next 10 years. So first word here that we have is kind of just a map of some of our parts. Especially our new 20 acre parts that we have. So we acquired some land for part of a water plant in that part. and the rest of it is going to be a really nice part. So I want to be for our 20-acre part here. Thank you very much. But we have two baseball fields, a here, a large dog park, a small dog park here. Fatting to you, doing the restroom concession. More basketball courts for the basketball courts are so used at the moment. We got a younger playground and older kids playground. We got a nice, I had a picture of a cleaner. A fat woman in my community space there and an an overlaunch. So, I'll put you in there. So, this part has a little bit of something for every woman. Kind of, because a warehouse located in the upper and lower part of town, so it's not a lot, it's not a little recreation, it's got a lot of walking trails, a little bit of in-house space, there's something pretty much for every woman. I know this will show too when I weak field here, but my friend said the first year again, we're going to probably make this one on the right side of both by the skills to kind of round this big bow. We got an adease for being one of my walking trails on the outside outside too. So Lily, great space for this bird. And then for those who may not know about this thing, and we found it up here, this is where I am here, our 28 year part. In here, it's not quite sure what that bird will live. So, leading in from the 28 year part, we have two options here for central parts. So the first option, we have a lot of work in that role. It's almost done. So what this has in the heart is almost finished. So we have our football field right, we have the parking, we have this, Austrian parking, we have our brand new basketball court and then our pavilion which partially went into the day. And then we got our playroom which is going in the next couple of months. So this side is all went already done. So finishing out this part, the plan is to do two football courts right here and it is a higher class than we get in Piggle Ball Quarts. So I know those will be used. And actually, number seven is a really cool concept. So this is actually a multi-use port. So it can be two Piggle Ball Quarts, but it is also a hard soccer port. So it has removable mats. So then, because we don't have a soccer field here, it doesn't throw, we don't have space, so that's essential. But that way, you can use Piggleball. There's enough people to play Piggleball at the time for Piggleball to be covered. It's kind of booked, but you really get used to this space. And then we've got some nice open space space here. We also have some exercise equipment here. And then we draw a a small dog part and large dog part in up the inscriptions in a restroom area, as well as a little cutting room. So there's a lot of people that want you to go and put at central and while we love our golfers, I do need to disay off of the ball field. They are creating some that has divvices of the ball field, but we're gonna we're gonna give them a space to practice too, but just not on our ball field where someone can trip together. And so that's why that is there. So the zipper and so we have two options. So we asked our open house as well as our personal record. So these are two options that we asked for them. Oh, yeah. So the main difference here is you're not losing any... You're not losing your dog or you're not losing it at 10 in. Or you can go all the way to me. Which we use to design. What is happening is that this one has the baseball fofield and this one is not. So auction one does not have the big fofield. So the big head for scissors. Thank you. So yes, so auction one does not have the big fofield. So this base over here is a nice big open space, which is something we don't have a lot of in the center of town. Just not like a lot of green space. So we let this open because sure you can come and hit and play a pickup game or but you can also play for feet. You can just do a little bit of anything. So the option one is leaving that space really flexible with pretty much whatever you want to do with that space. And then option two, the Nibbara pictures. Option two is, it just kind of rearranged the dog park, so now they're up top of a word of the field, and then we're keeping that baseball field. So those are two options that we have for that part and do you have this at the top? Yeah. But, like most of both of these parks have the same amenities. The only difference is that open place based versus the baseball field. But Central Park is halfway down. We're just really bogus on ironing out the second half of that park. And then here's some concept photos of the concession stand. So people back, they're both in the same spot. So this is where the concession stands basically. It's so fun. This little thing right here is this right here there. And it's also allowing us to have not just Conception stand in restroom, but also like a civilian seating space. So this leads us some good space to semi-adjoiting sessions stand. And if you're there for whatever various sporting activity we're doing there are really good thoughts to get some shade. And those are just some concepts of it so it includes, it also includes like a meeting space for the little leagues whether it be football or a pickle ball league you never know to come and come and meet there. So there's also a meeting space in this as well as storage so we have room to take care of our Earth. And just as a kind of a caveat, I think you could go back a slide on that. So that is concept. You know, that's kind of like the wish list, aim high, you know, and then, you know, we'll see where we hit. we hit when we go through and we actually engineer and have architectured plans and we get true bids, you know, that's where we see if that's, you know, feasible. Can we follow through on that? Are there value options, you know, that, you know, can we get the, can we get the Honda version versus the Cadillac or what trim level are we trying to get, you know, that's where we kind of fine tune those things. But from a concept side, we wanted to aim high. And so that's what you're seeing. Thank you. So those are kind of our updates for Central Park, which leads us into Alliance Park. So a lot of changes coming to Alliance Park. This has a really nice boardwalk area and more organized parking and some extra parking spots here. We've got this large building you see here, the community center, splash park, each each space, event space. So this park is pretty much all changing to really accommodate what we would really our vision for wine park is to really be like our main event hub. It's such a beautiful property right there by the lake right when you enter Lake Alfred. And so this big open green space here would be where we can hold all, if not most of our events there. We can have other people like, I'm going to use that. Bo Grays is here. We've got a couple of jet ski races just to kind of have a hub for that. Right. So that's it. I mean, that's kind of the event space combined with the Community Center. Car shows, Heritage Day, Farmers markets. Any event that we would have would be set up to a handle that. Concerts, other things. That's going to be the prime location. It will have the parking to support it as well as the open space. And you'll have that. I think did you cover the band stage yet? No. I'll pipe down and then give that to you. Yeah, so this is right here. It's a little bit big if that line is up for you. Right. Is this one? No, I'm not. So this right here is more like a band shell. So it's not like a hard structure like blocking or lake view. It's really like an open concept and this is more for our band stage. We had our link view. It's really like an open concept and this is more for like our band stage like we had our blue grass. We set up a stage of almost every event we have. So we're just going to leave it there. So it's built in and not like anyone hosting event can just have it there. And there's a way to kind of do the seating out around it. So it kind of blends in with the events space a little bit. So if you have bands playing there, you can have speeches there for as a teacher and all kinds of stuff. I think they could just use that as a setting set up. And together, it's a nice walkway all around it. We'll be able to set up to accommodate food trucks and just any event. All of our down town events, we've got heritage, the car show all of that can be set up down there. It's got a lot of parking, so it will accommodate all of those. And then right here, this is the restroom, so that is close by, and that is actually civilian and it kind of connects to our community center, which I pictured in a little bit. And then moving down, this is also another restroom right brush from right here. Yeah, it's going to be in the end. So, your house is a little black. I do have some concept picture in a few slides. Of our splash park, we know that we get that with black streetwood and we're a splash park. They're really popular right now, especially in Florida. And so it would be a very shallow, like, no depth of water, so it wouldn't be like a safety hazard. This is just a straight flash park where there's no water holding in it. And we've got a big boardwalk out there, too, so we can enjoy the lake. And then this thing right here, we've left for just enjoying the waterfront of the people area. And then our doctor here, which is safe, we've got boat parking, this also allows for another entrance, often being rented to Lions Park. So that way it's not really a hidden entrance anymore. So it's going to be coming off the main road. But we'll have two entrances to the park to the park and get it to a little bit of our community center. Yes, so I've already mentioned yes. These are kind of concept pictures of what the community center could look like. When we got floor plans here, this is, has the potential to change, but is mostly to share what we would like inside this building. It may move from the right side to the left side or something like that, but overall this is what we wanted in the building. So the top right one, the larger multi-pervisase, so that's a gym with a track surrounding it, like a walking track or any track either. So that's indoor and it's not just a basketball gym it can be used for. Pickable ball, volleyball, basketball, look, any unit event. And then the other gym is also a full size sports gym. It just doesn't have to track around it so that's why that one's smaller. We've got a fitness center that would include like gym freeways, like an actual gym, not a basketball gym with a gym gym. And then we've got a, like that label, dance yoga studio. So like we're talking like workout floor, workout classes connected to that gym as well. We've got an arts and crafts room and then another multi-use flexible space there there. A lot of classes and programming that can be happening there. We've got a large banquet hall. The updated version of that has, I think, a 350 seated in that banquet hall. So we can host all kinds of events there. league wedding special event. You name Event, you name it, and with a great Lake Trent Neow Alliance part. And then we've got, we've got Freshrooms, Chanyu and Walker Room, as well as some electrical, mechanical stuff, things like that. And there's also a second drop off for summer camp. This is where we would eventually love to hold summer camp. It would allow us to hold more ages, more kids, and have a really great space to then to have a great summer. So they could get dropped off here, and then we could rotate them all in the park and all of our fun things to do in the park if you're really great for summer camp. And what was the banquet hall? What was the size of that for capacity? 350. Right, so just to kind of give you also an idea of the scale. It looks like, I guess that was pretty big, but that area right there, that room, that's a banquet hall that would see 350 people. So that just kind of gives you an idea of just how large the you know, the building is. And the baseline for this was, you know, we saw the Tom Fellows, you know, Community Center built over in Davenport, you know, I think one of the flagship, you know, Community Center is probably in the county. And so we looked at that as kind of the baseline and then expanded it from there. And we actually did a field trip over there, Emily Connopak, Deftekru, and we went over, and we actually met with the community center staff. And we said, hey, you know, still the beans. What do you like? What do you not like? If you were to rebuild it again, what would you do? So we're trying to apply those lessons learned to this concept. You know, with storage space, larger facilities, the bank went hall, and they're actually getting ready to expand the community center that they just built five years ago. They're ready to go through an expansion. So ours really already kind of skips to the end of that and anticipates, you know, where they're going we want to kind of start from. So I appreciate her staff working with the consultant. And again, this is just concept. This is kind of back of the napkin. We actually go when we go in and we architecturally design it, then we'll finalize the square footage, the space, as she suggested to some things switch over from one area to the next. But this kind of gives you a loose layout as to how it could potentially work. Emily, is there going to be office space in here? Are you guys going to be relocating your offices? So there are some offices in there that's what the O's are. But we wouldn't look at all of our staff. I would like to keep some staff at McKay. We will have to have staff at the community center that their main office would be there, like programming staff at the community center. But I would still keep part of my staff at McKay. That building is just as busy, if not busier than some of our other parts based on those special events happening there. So we would, we would keep some stuff out. Okay. Thank you. And then yes, like me, I don't think I mentioned yet, so there is a little section right here to walk off from IAN, the Y's love. So they would have their own like almost like wing of the community center, so they would have their dedicated space to that as well. And we've actually already expanded that into the next. Yeah, that kind of whole area. Yeah, we're doing that whole that whole section for them. And they'll have a door so they can leave their stuff like inside the lion's room of the community center. Instead of doing a separate building for them, just being it maintenance-wise, and it's staffing, it's easier for them to be like a part of the whole community center. They will have a small kitchen at inside the lion's thumb and then we have a larger kitchen with a banquet hall if they needed like a larger size scale or anything like we'll have a commercial kitchen with a banquet hall so they can use that if they need it too as well. So they'll have have their own dedicated space in their room for not. So, for the lion's or for the... On this one? So, um, it's the kitchen's right here for the main recall. So, it's kind of like our back order. We've got like, this is like storage, laundry, so I've got a little bit of the kitchen, so this store would be here. So, like, the line clubs could use that, and they needed a larger space. but one person would be standing still how the storage room go how the kitchen for this store would be here so like the line clubs could use that and they needed a larger space but one person could do the business, they'll have a storage room, they'll have a kitchen at the space. Oh yeah. Hey, again. Here you go. Here we come up. How? We're not open. Open it in the chair. Open it in the knee. We're up. I'll come up. Open it in the chair. Open it in the chair. We put great work out. I'm just going to put it on the floor. For the records, sir, you'll need to come up and state your own address for the record. I'm sorry. Otherwise, there will be no transcript of who asked what. Joseph Buchanan, has he been elated 319 water? very clean. Now my question was, give all the to my kind of house. Joseph Buchanan, I live in the lakes, 319 water, they live clean. Now my question was, no, people are trying to out. And I live right by my car, so I know it allows activity to have written. But I don't hear no issues, so I'm doing any work to it. That's also a lot of work to do. Sometimes we have meetings there. And I can see it in sort of just the way it runs down. And the folks is nice. We need the part. But I think we should kind of put it up to this on the whole picture. I'm not over on it. Special parts of the picture. You can make sense? There are my other concerns that I'm doing a while really here. I need to get the information on this new water treatment plant that she's called the build out or not. I mean, you guys will take the state from here or you're going to be passed on to the people in the state. I don't know, you won't. Yeah, that's no question. Just what's going on with the water treatment thing I choose choose it. I know my case and it is actually one of the next slides coming up. We have some pictures of that next. That's one of the next ones we'll get into. Thank you for that. So if you want to address the water planer, do we want to wait for it to happen? This is on Parks and Ranks. I think we can catch that later. Okay. Okay, so yeah, when this is on Parks and Ranks, so I think we can catch that later. Okay, so yeah, so this is like I said, this is concept plans for community centers that would be at, I don't think it's so based. Yeah. It's not moving out. Okay, I'm so sorry. Um, hear what next? Oh, okay, that's fine. So next we have our so continuing at Lions Park. We had our community center. So there's some more renderings of our slash park. So the slash park, if you can see that, it's really fun. It has, we worked with the designer, so you can see kind of here in this folder. We have our special little bath fish that we've got to be highlighted at the splash party. So it's very aquatic thing since we're going to be at the lake. So we've got a boat here, we've got little cobblers, those are actually fishing poles that they can spray each other with. We went a little farther in concepts with this one, just because we knew how they were outside and everyone was part of the flash part. And this is actually, it's party call in the area, but these are their slides and their slides. There are things to play with, it's not just like a flat flash part. So there's actually like a playground component on the flash bar. A lot of play factor here, yeah they've got a dumb bucket, the fraud they can run through, it's all very very late themed and a lot of fun and then that far more you can also see is also other pictures of the flash bar. Great thank you for the zoom. And that will be closer to, can you go back to the site, please? Yes. One more. There it is. Oh, so these flash mark would be over here, right over here. And it's actually a special playground that would be being like with the flash mark. And then that would be the community center that we're talking about. So you're in time. An idea for that would be. And then lots of parking. So everyone can enjoy our fun facilities. Thank you. Okay, so speaking of the Kai. So the Kai is our next park that we have a lot of really fun stuff we're working on. So at the CHI right now there's one way and one way out, so we're expanding the double H to be an entry and exit on the outside. Extra overflow parking, playground, nature center, screen civilian and an event building. So let me show you where all of those fun things are going to live. So this is our house right now, with our brick patio in our circle drive that has been unreasoning. So this is, oh, can we do that? What are you on again? There you go. So this would be a new entry is like in and out, but two ways, it's not just the one way in when we out. And then extra parking here for older fun activities going on. And this is a circle with a circle around, and that way you can go around if you're not part of the event. We were coming to the house, and we could go back in part since we did concept is these are our current patterns that we've just already. So these would stay, this the billion would stay, those currently exist. Now this first block used to be there would be the Nature Center, which I know we've been talking about. That was in the last master plan, I believe. So yeah, this is, these are some concepts of our nature center based on some inspiration from Bonnets Free, nature center. So it has an exhibit home here that would just be open for people to walk through, look through, learn it would be something like rotating demonstrations, things like that. And like two of you classrooms, there's an educational program you want to teach or something like that. Like the master's gardener's meetings, they can meet there, they can meet some bathrooms here as well as storage like specifically for the dangerous center. And then we did talk about adding offices on the other side of that as well for our master gardeners so they kind of have a space in the nature center as well. So these are some concepts of the nature center. Next, the bench building. So this would be on the far side of the McKay house, the kindhouse of the building. So this is more of our events that are separated. So this is to help with our events and special events here. Nature Center is okay. Thank you. So our event building. So this has got some seating, lots of windows to enjoy the lake view, restroom. So when we have our larger events, our house is lovely but sometimes we have events too large to fit inside the house. So if it rains, they're kind of out of luck. We have had 300 people weddings or special events without location before, and they absolutely cannot fit inside the house, nor would we want 300 people inside our historic house. So this would kind of help with the overflow and for those events to be able to host some of these larger weddings and or two things at the same time. So that gives us, it's a lot of flexibility on the events. So we could do multiple events at the same time or if we've been to the, the items, weddings, states like they have their own separate locations so like one of the wedding parties, the barrage, or somebody, they can get ready out here, the grooms can get ready in the house and then they don't run into each other until the actual wedding or vice versa, things like that. It can also be hosting HWA meetings, things like that. Just a great meeting space, that I think it has to be large special events. So a really great, just extra event building for us at that location. Is that, keep going, the next one's Rochelle. Okay, back to the side. Thank you. So, yes, so this, the Zanzel link is here, and the nature center is here, and this box would be like an outdoor screen, because we can hold some really large meetings in there, like we're going to be messy, like too messy for our nature center. How, out of the classroom, things like that. So it's really close. They can go, they can walk through the nature center and then go to the outskrieve and outdoor classroom. And then this little space right here is room for a little nature thing to playground. So our motifs playground is used very frequently. It is a great playground, but once we add all these things, we're going to outgrow it. And it's a great spot for a natural with the huge playground. A tree house concept would be really fun there. We talked about getting some of the plants and animals that we have on properties, so we can kind of help teach the kids to either there some of the stuff that they might see on their hike. So we already talked to some of the designers and stuff like that but they can make a go-for-tour for us and some stuff that they'll be in nature when they're walking around with I-Tul. Great. Thanks. Let's go to... And just to give additional insight, you know, we work with the McIe Steering Committee and Volunteer Group that spends quite a few hours down there over the years. We presented to their board that that group and they kind of gave feedback on a lot of this. They were happy and it comes with their blessing on it. But to the gentleman's question earlier about the house and we use it for meetings, that's actually exactly what we're trying to achieve here with the additional facilities to accommodate HLA meetings or birthday parties or classroom activities. The house is over 100 years old. So it's going to be there and we've got some maintenance projects and things like that. But it's really just not designed to handle the type of high volume that we're starting to get. And even the comment back to the playground, that playground was probably perfectly fine when there was just track one of the lakes that was built. And the cross-street wasn't even there, it was just all groves and fields, track eight. There wasn't a single house down there. But, you know, when you add two, three, four hundred homes, you know, East to Glen Crouton, you know, we've got people now walking their dogs, coming through there, which is exactly what the park was designed for to have that type of flow and activity and we're getting it. And so this investment there is really just a kind of key pace with the utilization. And if you would tell the commission just how often are we booked down there at the house now? Every weekend. Every weekend? Throughout the year? Okay. There's a few holiday weekends you may not see someone like it's Christmas fall is on a Saturday, you know? But we have, we also kind of counteract that with we will have people that rent for a month to Tuesday. Which it sounds surprising, but usually it's because like it's a special anniversary date for them. So like we will get weekday rentals occasionally. So I think in 2024 we had 53 wedding rentals. So it's 53 year like fall. That doesn't sound like a lot, but we come in here. And it a lot of those weddings like our multiple day events. They're not just in and out for a few hours. They're there for I need to set up. They're all day Saturday and they're cleaning up on Sunday. That's a multiple day event and sometimes several hundred people. And so what Emily was also referring to is just the ability to kind of round about there to sequester access. If you did have a wedding, they can come in and out and still utilize the park. But then you don't have traffic, you know, kind of coming through here, you know, for your wedding in order to go to the playground or the like, they could just come in here and get to where they need to go and then what you could section that off, you know, delivery drop offs and things like that for the facility, but then the wedding party could be sequestered away from the other uses. So, appreciate rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of think we, if we had built these facilities 10 years ago, I think the question would have been, would we have gotten the utilization to justify doing that type of event center. Now we're kind of bursting at the seams and ready to make that next level of investment. And then the last one is the, like I said, we kind of ran out of low hanging fruit. This might be the last bit of our call of manageable projects before we get into the big leagues. But this one was on the list from the last one. And Emily, if you'll just go on a briefly walk us through what we're doing here. Sure. So yes, this might be our smallest change, but also a very important one. So the Lake Roshalbo ramp is one of our, if not most of the ramps that we have, if you drive there there on a Saturday, they're parked everywhere. So we don't have a ton of space at that location to really expand the parking. What we ask them to do would make the best use of that space that we possibly could. So a lot more organized paved. And then you'll see it's strike parking there, some parallel parking on the edge. Right now, there's kind of like three entrances and exits. Like they've kind of just been created over time. So to really organize this to have like official to just in and out, a paid drop off space and this is also an extended dock. So there's more slips to doctor boat. They need to fishing tournaments that way they've got a spot to stop. And then there's a little pavilion for the extended dock space, the pavilion there, so that way they have like space to do their wings. And so, yeah, it's not like a huge facility change here, but just more organized of what's already happening. So that's why it's just a little bit safer and then, you know, maybe we'll be able to squeeze in a few extra people with it being organized. And then a larger dock to accommodate all of those people. And there are those poll-through areas there for the trailers and now. Yeah, they're longer trailer parking. Okay, okay. Got it. Perfect. And then you got the additional slips there. So, simple project, but that'll be well received by the voting community. And I think we've all driven by there on the weekend and say, I'm again, there must be something going on because it's just wall to wall. Yeah, yeah, they're out there and the entrance is to having the one way in one way out more formalized that'll just be FDAT will probably appreciate that too but yeah we've got like an entrance here and entrance here and they're really just kind of coming in you know all that'll be more defined as a result of that project. Great. Are there any questions? I'm going to hold work. Do you have a priority list? You do finish the intro before you go to the next step or you know, how do you, you have a 1, 2, 3 or is that just going to depend on how things are going? I'll cover that a little bit in the capital presentation. Now the numbers that I have in that are really just placeholder until we kind of dial in through this. You know, there, I think the good, and again, city Commission through the budget process really kind of helps determine the priority list. I think that the thought process is, you know, try to knock out central, you know, because we're already started on it. I've asked a consultant to kind of help us with, you know, phase lines. Where does it make sense to break this into a puzzle? And what piece could we self fund first? Rochelle's probably going to be one of those ones where we can sneak in one year as it's a more accessible project. What wasn't represented in this plan because we've already been working on it with the architect, the library expansion will probably be shovel ready sooner because the friends of the library donated a hundred thousand and so those plans will be ready to act upon you know in the inflationary environment that we're in. We don't want to sit too long on funding because they're just eroding the longer we wait. So as things become shovel ready, you're probably going to want to execute sooner rather than later. And something that I put out to the commission in an update not too long ago. I remember when I first came on board, you know, the commission was very clear. They wanted robust parks and recreation, and they wanted it without debt. We've been able to do that for as long as we can but we're getting to the point now where we're running out of low hanging fruit so there's probably going to need to be a debt obligation at some point whether it's Lions Park or the air condition buildings that might be a a part of Mackay, there's going to have to be that break point where we then decide to use debt, but then we'll use a war chest that we build up in park impact fees. Like let's just say your debt service payment is a half million a year on it or even a million a year. Well if you had $3 million in Park and Rec Fee sitting there, well now I know we've got three years of mortgage payments sitting in the rainy day fund in case we hit a downturn or the like. I also kind of compared it to it be like if you tried to save up to buy a house over the last ten years. Not put it down payment. If you tried to save up a buy a house and cash, you lost that battle. You would have been better off, you know, borrowing even if you put a 20% down payment or the like to get your foot in the door as everything else has become more expensive. So we will kind of work that priority list by smare, wait based on the cash that we have to do as many self-funded projects that we can. But then there's going to be that point where we save up the war chest and then go after a dead obligation. And the break point in my mind is probably going to be somewhere around the level of Ryan's Park and the air condition buildings in Makai was probably going to be the sweet spot but we'll have to see where the engineering and the architecture and where the price points come in. Thank you and I want to thank Emily and Ryan as well and all the staff. You know one of goals when I ran five or six years ago was obviously you want to make sure the departments are planning to please fire community development, but then let's put the money back into the community. So if really exciting for me to finally see some of these programs in fruition, even partner with the Lily because as we do these, all the little leagues will be coming back and it's essential to help them get going as well. And I wanted to make an appointment with emphasis to what Nancy said is I'm excited about the 28th apart but when we did this master plan six years ago, all the parks are still there and now we kind of just added one. So you know, get the show where things start. They'll start finishing some of these before we add new ones but like you said, you know, get the show where things start. They'll start finishing some of these before we add new ones. But like you said, you know, Central Park is, you know, within a year or two, you know, away with the incension stand. And, you know, I personally, you know, we can, you know, now let's say take a vote here, but I think it'd be neat to probably, you know, knock out, you know, the guy before we really get the big one, one, you know, with no plans with our hands. The only thing is with Central Park, if we do the option, if you can go back to that one, but if we do the option without baseball, then who knows how long it's going to take to get baseball from Wakefield and the recommender to make a park. So I grew up riding and we used various funds, impact fees, the CRA, everything grants, obviously. And Ryan, we let the gate to the finish line because these are low-end term assets. They're not assets for the last year. They're out of the system for the last, at least 30 years, you know, taking care of. So if we do the option before that, which I think is neat, I think that's probably the option that I would prefer, then all of a sudden we don't have baseball until, you know, because I think baseball has already been without for almost 10 years, not mistaken, but literally. You know, there's a trade-off that I'd be interested to see what everybody thinks. I personally would like to go with that option right there because I think it'd be too crowded with baseball, kind of, you know, put in there. at the same time I don't want to wait in 20 more years to get some baseball fields. Because that's the number one reason everybody who has kids here as a family is like we always have to go somewhere else. It'd be neat to get some of this stuff. So thank you. When we did the Mackay Park drawings, I didn't notice if the fishing pier was going to be replaced that we used to have. Yeah, we're going to replace it, but we're not replacing it with the kayak launch. There used to be the kayak we could do on the way to. We're just going to put a regular dock in it because that is a trick if you have a canoe from that parking lot down there. We're just going to keep it a regular dock instead of putting the canoe on. And we'll budget for that sooner rather than later. And I think the thought is, when Emily talked it through, I know that came up with the volunteer group, just better to linear that trail and connect it integrated into the overall system because I don't even know how many folks even know that's down there. But just draw attention to it. We may be even able to trail blaze from the wake side and maybe make a connection there, but that's something we can evaluate with forestry and just make that part of that. I think they even did that on the 20 acre park something similar or no we did it with lions So that same type of thing that we did at lions of vice mayor daily is kind of what we're talking about here See how there's like a little nature trail Through here, and then they've got the observation, you know doc or deck I think we can do something very similar or hemic eye would wear that old, the old dock was because already there it's already carved out. So yes, we'll absolutely do that. Okay. Being that this was moved forward, we need to. So there is no action item on this. If there's any additional feedback from the city commission or the public, we'll be happy to take it. But again, we had the open workshops. The Parks and Reg Board gave a unanimous recommendation of approval with the option that was discussed about. So we will bring this back for a formal action item at an upcoming meeting. Okay. So, somebody wants to discuss about about. Yes. So, we have a number of remarks and we have one, two, one, three, Lake Ridgeway. I'm Mr. Neymon, so I'm Robert. Robert. Okay, thank you Robert. I have a few things. The main park, down at Line Park. Can we add a rooftop technique? I can't hear you. A rooftop deck? Okay. Okay. At Lines Park, the building, we really nice to make the entire room. Also, for some of these projects, some of these buildings, I don't know if this is loud, the sponsorships who have done it, public's paid for this, public's paid for this, public's paid for that, if you want to do that. Daniel, rather than putting your game on buildings, I only use the public's payments. I said, you know, so you may not have to help all fund it, pay it. This is a lot of people, Polkty, Mirin, all new phone builders. Speaking of home builders, Polkty said they would up to buy coffee and don'ts for these meetings every. I'm not the Polkty, by the way. I just know the sales person there. So, if you have one coffee and don't eat seven meeting, it'll help. You try that maintain a degree of separation there on those things. But the sponsorship opportunities for parks, that's something. Absolutely, we could look at, especially on the sports side, a lot of times like sports marketing will help negotiate those saying. So I think the gentlemen spot on those are opportunities you can look at and whether they're you know they got to re-up every so often but sports marketing something that could definitely assist with that. Also I noticed in all these plans there's not a lake Alfred's store for deer like a sweatshirt coffee cup anything I can buy it I just moved here a couple months down there's nothing I can buy with a copyright. So that would be nice. They were selling t-shirts at the Heritage Festival from the historic design. Oh like a little good shop. I think parks and recreation absolutely especially when you talk about getting like a community center and things like that I think that becomes a part of that front desk activity. Absolutely. I'm assuming we have a mascot. It's a fish. I'm assuming he's named Elford. It's the bass. It's a bit fast, a better fish, right? I say fish? Okay, it's good. So, I don't know if we have alphabets, some sort of gear with this. We can maybe start promoting like alphabet and something else, but other than that, they make it cute, jays, there's water park. Well, there's a Christmas ornament, too. Yeah, we're all for it, isn't it? Yeah. But I think it's good to have that. Okay, let's... On the back of the TV, we got a further... So if we can have like a... There will be like patio space, we can have some stuff like that. Yeah. You can look at the lake and you can look outside and see if you can see the back of the show. Love that. And lastly about the CRA, because I used to like the Cerrean's camp up and they did something similar to this for the downtown. I know we have a master plan I saw for the downtown. It's like old time. I'm not getting that one too. Are you that being up there with a consultant and is there a, this is commute for me. Is there a, or citizen board to discuss everything and then come to the city council with our ideas from the citizens such as business leaders you pick up David chamber of commerce would be you know that type of function I mean the the downtown master plan the basis of that was for code changes which were implemented So the master plan for parks gets updated more periodically because you've got the impact fees tied to it and then also because the cities initiating the project. So there's no immediate plans to bring back the downtown plan because that kind of resulted in land development code changes which were enacted based upon that plan. So you don't want to jump around too often. I mean, some things I think can be fine tuned or polished, but you wouldn't go necessarily through a revisioning of the downtown. You would build upon it. But this park space is really kind of a, this park master plan is more of a re iteration, a refinement of the existing plan, getting updated financial numbers, and then we added the new park, which is what caused that. If we were to expand the downtown area, or like let's say, Haynes Boulevard became, which we've talked about, you know, if that becomes a commercial court, or, you know, then I think you would update your downtown master plan to envision that as we go through our comp plan process, which we've already awarded the contract to to the CFRPC, they'll have community workshops and things like that as a part of that process and that's probably the best opportunity to talk about those community growth, you know, visioning concepts when they do that. Well, last question I have is about the Sierra Inc. The tax revenue that's generated from the Sierra from downtown, whatever the boundaries are, most of the city buildings, the city doesn't be any taxes, partly taxes, and then the money go towards the Sierra that the city owns. Is there a way where some of these city buildings can be moved out of there, why not do that? So, you can, I mean, when we establish the CRA and the CRA bounders, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we can do that. So, we not do that? So you can. I mean, when we established the CRA and the CRA boundaries, and I remember because I was here, that's kind of the benefit. When we set up the CRA, you've got to, it's a balancing act because the county commission is the one that ultimately has to give the blessing to your CRA. And that's kind of a tricky negotiation because you're basically saying, hey, County allowed me to take tax dollars from you and reinvest it back into your city. And so many years ago in Hane City, they kind of made the whole city their CRA and the County had been soured on it ever since. And so we were very strategic with how we set up the CRA. You had to have contributors and you had to have payers. And so we tried to capture some of the industrial property on the east side of town, is that developed? We included both of the parks because we wanted to spend money in the parks. So that was actually the reason why did we include the CRA there in that is because we knew we wanted to invest in Central Park and in Lions Park. All of downtown is included in the CRA District and the gentleman's correct as the value increases, then you get larger budget as you go. I think one of the plans and you'll see that, we've talked about this before, and at the facility plan level, I think long term the plan is to get the building that we're sitting in now, and admin and the like 10, 15 years from now again, long range planning. You know, we'll see that in the facility plan where we identify new property for a central hall or city hall complex where we would be able to relocate these facilities and then this could then turn into, you know, who knows, 15, 20 years from now, you might be sitting on key property. You know, the whole foods might go here with a mixed use property with the roof top deck and you just don't know. Look at what's happening in Winter Haven downtown now. That could be happening here in a couple of decades. And CRAs are very long term instruments. I think ours goes through 20, 45, even before we extend it. So the CRAs in its infancy. It's just a little bit over 10 years old. So we've got some runway to do project. So we'll look at those things, but we're definitely running a marathon here, not a sprint. And I wonder that, thank the gentleman of first comments, and just let everyone know there's a couple of bills going through the state legislature right now to do away with all CRAs in the state. So if we keep an eye on that and make sure that they don't get crazy and decide that we can't have CRAs, it's a good idea to keep tabs on stuff like that if you can call your representatives and your senators and let them know that the CRAs are really important income revenue for the city that doesn't cost anything and we do a lot of good with it. Rob and I'd be happy to talk to you anytime. I didn't experience on a CRA board that's pretty interesting. So there are types of ideas and concepts where I was looking for best practices and things like that. And it's constantly evolving. So, you know, rooftop decks and those types of things, we've tried to set up the code to allow that to happen. You can't dictate the market, but you can try to encourage it. And I think that's what we've been trying to do. Thank you. Okay. Hi. Yeah. Sure. Oh, yeah. I can get my keyboard to work. All right. This is it. Hi. I want to give us some, let's see, option two please. Can you bring your phone name in? Sherry Parker, 450 South Clinton. Okay. The baseball field is fantastic. However, the look where the home plate is. Now, look where the concession stand is. Look where the grandstands are. You're dug out. They're very, very, very far away. For little ones and for adults and stuff, the time's important to be able to run to the concession stand real quickly and come back and set inside the bleachers. Now, the other issue is, liberal home play is you are hitting the balls in two of the people. The balls are going into the people. I live across the street from there. You get professional players. They literally, when they fall out, that ball will go flying over your ass net and in that it will have one hot win. I had something up on house and it earned a few signs. So I would recommend to turn the base home plate back around toward a succession stand and have the foul balls coming towards Hoffman or the far corner of the intrusion in Hoffman, rather than in direct line of your publics. I have experience with literally five years. I've helped with some of the plans. You don't want the potential laws to be going over because there's nobody else hands up, you know, cover your head. That's not gonna happen. And plus you want to be close to the concession stand. Now issue is parking. Granite, you got a lovely parking face. You got fantastic flip-off parking face. Do you know how much it's utilized? I could say almost zero. When you hit a baseball team, man, they park all the way on the backside where Hoffman is and all the way down to Glen Drummer. They will not utilize that football parking at all because it's too far. It's way too far for them to walk, carrying the gear, having the kids running and everything. You might have to put parking some place for that. So optimal. Yeah. So, I think't say I'm the more to that. That's easier to do. No, no, no. You know? But I mean, it is a good idea, but I would change the placement of home plate and put that up there closer to the possession stand and where you're not going to have the ball sitting people. And I hear it, are anything like that and hitting your beautiful possession stand. I mean, possession stands going to be beautiful. Let's put where the people are closer to it to entice them to buy rather than bring their own possession stand selling things at possession stand can bring big bucks into any organization that utilizes that. So that is my consensus on it. I'm pleased other than the baseball field. I experience the baseball field. Do you live across the street from where the baseball field is? I live right across the street at Greyhouse, the No no dress passing side. I can't even feel box. Is that it? I can't even feel box. That's where you're at. I thought you were right behind me. I didn't even call you out there, Jerry. That's okay. No, no, no. I don't know. I'm a little bit. You probably know, mostly say so with that. I mean, unless you get an adult, you know, swinging, hitting a a 30-50-foot home run or something. But it's a built, I need a supporter, 8-10. But that's going to be a little leapfielder when they're done with it, right? unless you get an adult swinging, hitting a three-and-a-fifty foot home run or something. But it's a built with all kinds of support or even stuff like that. But that's going to be a little refill though when they're done with it, right? If they do go with that option? That's up to... Yeah, it's like a probably a 200 foot fat, yeah. But I think in general, it makes just because with the football field and the concessions, I mean it probably makes more sense to use option one anyways but that way nobody has to worry about anybody getting hit with a fireball. Well, and that's where, you know, another part is busy or too. We're going to have people out and about, you know. And maybe that's part of the discussion back to the consultant is, is there an early phase of the north park that allows us to get baseball fields sooner rather than later. And then even if we only had baseball fields up there for a period of time before we did the rest of the park, those are kind of those puzzle piece conversations that we can have with the consultant and then at the commission level as we budget in future years. Thank you. You're welcome, Brian. I live right at the corner of a narrow and green curtain. That's where I'm at. So anyway, thank you. And the plan to go, that was just my only tweaking that you wanted to do. Thank you. And you know, your sports complex is of towns like King City, Dundee. They're all fed a different, they're off the beaten path to essentially go to a location for literally, Yeah, they tend to be you know even do you look like Lake Murdle? I mean it's grown up around it, but that was kind of off on the edge of the city You know and you can see here wetlands make good neighbors when you've got baseball fields and say you got a water plant and nothing but Wetlands they can crank those balls all day long and not have to worry about it. Where's the water plant? Water plant is right. Let me show you. My laser pointer is not showing up together. It's going to be right up here. The under part of the two is we own that property right there. So you'll have the water plant here. And then this is all wetland. You can see here, that's all wetland throughout there. And that's all wetland throughout there and that's why the consultant kind of put the ball fields where they did not going to have to worry about lighting or you know again wetlands make good neighbor wetlands and water plants make good neighbors. Thank you. Stephanie Neath, 926 in Burtnissway. I just had a few questions for Lions Park. Will there be shade for the splash pad? No, there's a splash pad. But is the splash sheet around it? Okay. So the splash pad is still on the floor. Okay, will there be space around it? That will be covered because it looks like a lot of open space. Yes, that's a great point. That's why these are concept in nature. I would imagine having many pavilions and things like that. Maybe a little picnic tables with a shade or something. Okay, that makes sense. And the ground for the splash pad will be concrete or that soft and rubbery stuff. We will get a little bit further into that. It's a future, but at a moment it's going to be concrete. We can get, well that's where we'll design it because there's concerns about maintenance but we'll balance that. I think there's an in between. Okay. Okay. I just have little then. I play on, they play of those things, they come to me and like, that's when they start going fast, right? Like, as they just start sprinting through the water, like, this one we kind of did it to where, there's like, there's still activity. Like, activities, and we're kind of perfect, and then we're really getting old, old water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water water like water water with transphobia. Okay. You get any water. And it's not like fresh water. Like there's a little bit of water in here. You do it so it's not like it's trying to split or even it would be like on the sidewalk. Okay. Okay. My next questions are for Macai. So I live in a lake stew. So coming out of Macai or coming out of a lake stew, heading down the coy before you get to Glen Crouton. There isn't a cutout to turn into the road. Yeah, there. Current entrances. Oh, no, you mean the current? Yeah, where the current is. Yeah, you have to leave. Oh, we can. From going from the lake to down in Makai. You have to go out to one crew in and Makai and you leave. We can look at that stuff. And I think that's just something that was never, we never had traffic come from that direction and say you just never thought about it that way. I remember one track date had a chain across it. And I think that's just something that was never, we never had traffic come from that direction and say you just never thought about it that way. I remember one track date had a chain across it. And if you weren't paying attention, you'd get a convertible really quick. But no, I think that's something we look at as a part of the road projects and just see if we can maneuver that to, you know, probably when we resurface Mekai, that might be when we evaluate that. If we can do a curb cut there, I think that's something we would look at. That's a good suggestion. Thank you, Seth. Thank you. Thank you. I just want to say thank you. I can make a note about this. Pretty awesome. I remember when Seth was everything. Tangerine. I love them, you're all excited for color in the city. Thank you guys, thank you. Thank you. I'll be right back. I'll be right back. I'm all of you. I'm in the honor of what I was, I color in the city. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll be with you. I'm all day. Run the honor for Thursday. So I was just right. Getting in there, right? I just want to come off the answer. I'm so delighted. Yeah, I'm delighted that line is part. This man feels that OK. That's all I think. As far as I can say. But I just want to say thank you so much for y'all getting that going. And one question about the disability kids, disability, the child, this is something there like when they want to get in the water or just flash pad or something like that, the child like an ADA. It will, it will be an ADA. People are depending on the situation, they may not be able to get up to like the tall structure of the fly, but they will be able to say, I'll just use something to talk about it. Okay. Okay. And then, like when they're playing around, the part of the splash area, they'll like the parents want to watch their kids, This won't be something like a same area. This is just pictures of the rendering. There they don't. They'll be eating and you can shade and they're on actual. This is just so big. We would probably have like little pavilions that would go around it, you know, and seating areas and then that way you have shade in a people that want to have birthday parties and things like that. Again the rendering, that's not Lions Park, they're just using it as like a backdrop. So we would fill all those in as we go and then sidewalk networks that would kind of go and connect and kind of meander around the path and then, and then, yeah, we would pull that all together to provide that. All right. Okay. That's my John Deaton back of the napkin engineering there. That was my nod for John. All right. So this, again, this was discussion item item we will take this back to the consultant and kind of put it all together and hopefully have the resolution to form we adopted at the next meeting. Thank you Emily. Thank you. Thank you. I'm excited about that one. Because I can be done quick. Like we're shout, yeah. I just said I traveled to one or eight and all the time. I don't know if it seems impossible, but I'd like... You know that little, I don't know, but it's a gas station or a... It looks like it could be like a little mini-bake shop. Can we ever look at... Because there are no ones buying that, right? Can we ever look somehow... that would be like a neat zone, you know, the boats put a lot there, they use gas support, you know, I'm, I offered them 50 grand for it back in the day. I thought it was a gift. Because I think that would be like, you know, that we can look into it. He told me 500, I said, you must have like 15 thousands or something you all need a cut well how long how long we over that uh that was that was pre-coded so it's been a minute it's just been sitting awhile so maybe read the just I just you know it would be nice to say why we're to re-incorporate that you know if possible not on Okay, we have anybody else. Okay, we'll move on to our agenda item number. Oh, yes, sir. Jolby Tanon. I live in the lake on 319 water, Lily Lane. In the past, I said the city manager, an email, put some pictures name of the 92 and the other spotted by the experimental experimentation. We let these contractors come into the city and tell the streets and tell the sidewall to tear up my property and they just leave it and then when I'm turned off a 92 dollar's win coming down to the pavement. I'm sliding because I I did was just go from there I think that's a disgrace to the city that lets these contractors come in here and they can just head up and just leave it like they like anything Now when it's raining and I turn and slide, I don't want to slide into the field and tear up call. I think the city really should press upon whoever did the work or whatever they put down on it. That need to be shaped like last week. Sure they do. They need to keep the language normal because we don't get into a rainy season and that's going to turn into a big old road. And because I did engine in and work and all the time it's going to turn through. So the verticals will need to be the bottom of it. I'm going to fall in strength. Yeah. No, Mr. B. Can I appreciate the follow-up on that? So when I reached out to the public works director on that, we were ready to go out there and do the patch. We've gone in there and put in a couple of loose things, but that was actually our contractor that did that as a part of the force main project for the sewer. And they cannot patch that until after we do a pressure test on the pipe, which, which, if you would, give me an update on that project and let's just see where we were. So because that abuts into the FDAT rot of way, the contractor has scheduled a massive patch, not just to plug in the cut, but to redo that whole intersection, it's going to be about $23,000 when we do that. So it'll be done right. But if you do, if you patch it now, which I was ready to tell Clifton just to go ahead and patch it until I heard it was 23 grand, now as to where if that pipe test fails and they have to go back in there and reset the pipe, they got to cut it all out again and then redo it. And so that's why we've held off on that particular patch. But Clifton, what is our timeline on that, sir? Bernard Pol public works in utility during the sale. So we actually were on the schedule to do our final jacket board underneath 1792. We complete that connection, but CSX and the contractor may have to re-schedule, but we're on the schedule for April 10th to make that connection that wore under and until we connect that part of the puzzle it would not be a good plan to go ahead and do the patch just in case the pike fails. So once we made that condition under 1792 with the force name, then we can start planning it to give that complete repage. But we'll keep an eye on it. It does wash out a little bit. I've asked public works just to keep an eye on it every time it rains just to fill it back in just to stay on top of it until we can do the formal patch on it. Very good. Thank you, Glutton. Thank you, Glutton. Sherry Parker, 450, Falkway, and Trent Navin. Ryan, instead of patching of patching a casual, do like when those traffic plates that you can't really put over things, that could be patched until you will do the test. Yeah, just when those metal plates, the traffic plates. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Is that something we could do, Chief, or Clinton? Is that an option? Okay, we'll look at it. Okay, yeah, that'll be much easier than going in and patch it and then like, oh my God, we got a better effect. Let's just play over it. I was ready to tell him just to go ahead and do it. What are the chances of the pipe failure? But with that project, that's been a bad luck project. I didn't want to test the waters on that, but now the, that's a good suggestion. We'll take a look at that All right, we'll proceed now with With agenda item number two bit award bank parking lot and they'll have the city manager present the analysis, please. Thank you, Mr. Minister. The Oleg Alfred has requested bids to connect the city administration building to the bank parking lot. City of Oleg Alfred received three bids on the project. GNG site development, 131 079, triple A top quality asphalt, 131 118, landmark paving 173-94. The site plans call for creating a new driveway connection between the two buildings, resurfacing both lots and securing access to the police department, and installing a new pedestrian connectivity route between the two buildings. This is a budgeted project with funding allocated from restricted permit fee revenue, public safety, and general government fees. The research that the existing admin and public safety area will be apportioned to general funds as their maintenance and nature. Staff recommendation on this is to approve the Bank Parking Locked It Award to G&G for 131-079. I like seeing the bids that tight between one and two. I think was less than a hundred dollars difference there and then you can see here admin and the bank building and so it's just kind of this is the kind of the connection so when we bought the bank building of course that was a separate parcel now that this is going to house some of the city departments including the building department and utility billing we. We want to connect the lots. So that will kind of connect this lot. You'll be able to drive into admin and then connect over to this building in vice versa. If you come in through here, you'll be able to go up this area here, the alleyway that kind of currently goes behind public safety. And then goes down the alley there. That's going to be torn up. So that will be the pedestrian connect walkway, that will kind of connect admin to the bank building. And then I've kind of done more John Deaton engineering. And I marked this up based upon both of the chiefs requests. They're requesting that the public safety area be sequestered and kind of gated all from the main public. That makes sense if you see most stations and things like that. You can't just drive through. So we're going to tear up the asphalt here and here and then cut in here and then that way you'll still have access to the tower. You know because we saw it though, how there's maintenance trucks to go in there and then this area here will be gated off. They'll have to install an automatic gate. That'll be part of a separate project. And then they can gated here and in that way, this entire public safety area is gated off. And then the traffic would pretty much just then flow through here. This will basically be the new alleyway. If you come in, you'll be able to go down here and then exit the alley. So that's kind of what this does. There'll be a slight change order as we kind of navigate this. And I've also asked public works to we'll get pricing on just resurfacing everything. And that might be an add-on or a different project, but I just want all this asphalt to be redone at the same time, so we don't have different age asphalt at different times. So that way it'll be just one contiguous project. So again, staff recommendation on this is to approve the Bank parking lot bit award to GNG for 131,,079 and staff will be happy to answer any questions. Okay, this is an open meeting and would like to invite anybody to come forward, ask your questions, please state your name and address into the record please. My name is Robert Morris, once you won three, licorice way. I own the house directly on the alley, one access. And is the alley being vacated then? Do I own half of that alley? Yeah, the alley is not being vacated. Okay, so you're going to tear up that alley? Because the future for me potentially is to demo that house and make it commercial business. And so the alley was going to be the access to the parking. Yeah, alley's going to remain. Yeah, because the alley there is... You were just talking cutting out. Yeah, I mean, we're just going to resurface it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're just going to resurface it. Do my back of the house. Oh? Oh, yeah. Good. Good. OK. Are there any other questions or comments? Okay, seeing none, I'll close that option and go to City Commission comments. This is where I'd like to make a motion. If anyone else looking for moving forward on something as important as this has been with the purchase and now moving forward with this. It's a great thing. As a city manager stated, you know, the funds are there. I'd like to make a motion that we approve from the bid award for G&G site for the amount of $131,079. Okay, we have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye. I need posed. Seeing none, that motion is carried. Okay, we'll go to agenda item number three. Capital Budget and Tenure Facility Plan, and the last is City Manager, you've presented his analysis. I think Mr. Mayor, the city's annual budget process includes the presentation of a five-year capital improvements program, a 10-year facility plan, expenditures, and revenue in payroll presentations. These elements are combined into a single document adopted within the annual budget. The CIP includes significant expenses that are typically greater than 20 to 25,000 and a plan for purchase and implementation within five years. Additionally, the 10-year facility plan is designed to provide focus and clarity on large-scale projects, actually 500,000 plus, and our long-term in nature, 10 years, needs instead of just a regular CIP. So that kind of allows us to zoom out and focus on only the big-ticket items and then also look at a 10- planning horizon rather than five years. Proposed additions to the currently adopted CIP or will be presented or talked about projects that did not have a dedicated funding source or are proposed to be grant funded or pushed back but remain in the CIP and can effectively be advanced at any time once funding is available. The inclusion of their 10 year facilities plan provides another layer in the budget process in a last rate better planning and forecasting tool. The proposed CIP and 10-year facilities plan is being presented to the city commission for consideration and approval as submitted, or with any amendments that the commission may desire. The proposed plan is conceptual in nature and will be included in the final budget for consideration. We will kind of go through this here. So General Gov, Finance and Community Development, I want these departments together, typically because we don't have a lot of capital projects in the year past. You would have seen the Bank renovation project that made its way through. Of course, that's in the current fiscal year budget. And so then that falls off. So, you know, what was the second year budget now is moving into the first year budget, 24, 25, the budget that we're currently in. That's kind of falling off. And then we added a new 29, 30 year to then create the new fifth year. So again, replacement vehicles, we've already done around those. So that's probably the only real capital expense that we're anticipating in the next five years. Moving on to the police department, replacement of patrol vehicles, 120,000, that means we're replacing two that year. We try to replace one every year and then every so often we have to replace two new patrol vehicles 120,000 that would be for new officers that we're planning on on bringing on in October So two officers need two vehicles an additional 120,000 Public safety equipment. I'll get into this at the kind of the presentation. And then also the evidence building that's been in the CIP for the last five years. We've got basically a tough shed or not too much more than that where we currently house evidence and we just need something a little bit more robust, a little more formalized to handle that and there may even be an officer too that are attached to that building. So you can see pretty straightforward for a five-year CIP. There is a picture of one of our vehicles still sticking with the Ford Explorer format. You know, we chief has that conversation every year with me years ago. We went the crown to the Ford tourists and now I think the explorers have kind of treated as well and that's kind of the vehicle that we're sticking with every now and then an officer will make a suggestion or we'll see the another department they might go to Tahoe's or different vehicles but again the size of the vehicle, the wear and tear, you know all those things become a discussion and a chiefs on top of that. But we're sticking with the Ford Explorer format for the near future. Again, police department moving on to fire, replacement engine. We try to tuck away money every year. I remember back when we were able to put 50,000 aside to save up for those engines. That made a lot of sense when they were 500,000. When they're a million, you need to start banking a little bit more. Now, that's just the kind of have our funding in there. The way that we'll look at that is that can be our match contributions. If we go after appropriations or grant funding, we got a good grant a couple years ago from Congressman Soto, and that helped kind of take some of the sting out of it. But that's money that we set aside that pay for that replacement and then use that as a co-share funding. Replacement of the bucket truck, that one or brush truck, excuse me, that one's been in the budget a couple years making its way forward. We've added some public safety equipment, that's specifically for radios in the fire department. Those are not inexpensive items. Let me go down to Walmart and get me a $30 walkie talkie, that's not going to cut it with motor well. What are they costing now chief? What's the price tag per radio? 60 to 65. Yep. So you're looking at $6,500 for a handheld radio that's connected to the 800 megahertz system and then you got to pay a maintenance fee every month like a cell phone bill on top of this. So not cheap, but critical equipment that we need. The rescue boat, this was in last year's budget as well, making its way forward. And you can kind of see here our engines. We've got two engines. I've got about a 25 year operational lifespan. The crews have done a great job maintaining them. You wouldn't guess those are 25 plus years old. The 96 engine we're in the process. That's the one that we got through. So does office we've ordered that. Do we have a delivery date on that yet chief?? Two years. Okay, so we're still... We've got some time frame on that, but we've ordered it and that'll come in and the next one we got to get ready to replace is the 2001 engine, so that'll probably be coming up here in the next five, six years and we'll say for that and go after additional appropriations. This is the brush truck that was kind of shown in the, I know, cheap hat that in the presentation previously. If we get something like this, this may be able to kind of combine what a tanker truck and a brush truck does. And so just included that. The budget number there is a placeholder. We'll get more detailed numbers that on as we go forward. This was just kind of representation of the rescue boat, not exactly what we're looking for, but you can see just as the ability to do water rescue and things like that. That was in the budget last year and making its way through. So we've got the $100,000 there set aside for the boat, two years of $50,000 for radio replacements, and then socking away that money every year for the engine replacement. All right, this is, we've talked with both of the chiefs about this and we've talked about, what are we going to be doing with the new funding that we're getting in for the speed camera revenue. There is a statutory restriction that that money goes back into safety programs or equipment. We want to be good stewards of that funding, not get too creative and just try to do two plus two type of projects, type of projects that make a lot of sense. So from the police department, two large message boards with speed trailers, we can use that. They kind of help slow people down or put messages out for events and things like that. So that's a significant investment there, 42,000 to LED light towers. With backup generators, we would use for events, night time things in order to help improve safety and visibility. When Sherry organizes the trick-or-treat event and a thousand more people come every year, we need more light trailers and hot dogs. We got the lion's club and the audience, so I'm going to get my plug in. That's my shameless plug for more hot dogs and things like that. Those like towers will be a good investment, especially as we continue to improve and expand upon and events. Industrial dryer, again, this is a lot different than going down the lows and picking out a dryer. And say, oh my goodness, 18,000, which version is that? These are industrial grade. We've already got the washer from a grant previously, and this is for bunker gear. So when firefighters do a fire or vehicle rescue or things like that, and their bunker gear soaks in the chemicals and the gas and the fumes and all those things. That's proven to be carcinogenic and cause cancer, long-term for the firefighters that have exposure to that. So this allows us to thoroughly wash it, to remove all of those contaminants and then on the washing side and then this is the dryer to kind of back that up so that we can do all of that in-house. So again, very, very important piece of safety equipment, radios. Again, radios. Again, you saw that before in the previous department, 50,000 rescue boat, 100,000 again. Life safety equipment designed to improve safety and something that we really haven't had in operation for a while. Complete streets, FDOT co-funding. This is going to be input in here as a placeholder, but 250,000 a year if we order work with FDOT and get them to agree to put in a signal or things like that or do short term improvements to the road, you know, they're probably going to look to the city to co-fund or make contributions or the like. We could also use that to improve safety on city streets and things like that. So we're kind of earmarking that funding for our complete street program as well as co-funding with the district. Additional traffic safety program hiring to additional police officers to help with traffic safety around the city. These individuals can be deployed for either enforcement activities, getting folks to slow down when Lake Alfred Elementary School has got 2,000 students down there, whatever, I think they're up to over 1,000 now and they've added even moreables but you know having additional officers down there to do maintenance of traffic and the like as we know we know it is what it is the Rose were built to a certain capacity the school was built to a certain capacity but the school board just basically doubled the capacity of the school and they didn't pull a single permit nor did they ask our thoughts on it so So we're stuck with that, the neighborhood's stuck with that, you know, kind of share that concern and that frustration. But let's reinvest some of that funding that we're generating from that school zone back into officers and then they can help with release and maintenance of traffic and getting those handling disputes, keeping things moving and then help facilitate safety in that area. When school isn't being let out, we can deploy them and use them in other parts of the city. Remember the school zone enforcement cameras are only active during the middle of the day and on school days. So these officers could then also be able to handle that rush hour traffic that we get after four o'clock, have a presence on the road, in addition to those speed trailers, and then again largely just utilize them and other capacities around the city to help improve safety. And then you've got the patrol vehicle is 120,000 for those two officers. So you're looking at about 780,000 in expense with the, I'm putting a million as a budget. We've issued over 20,000 citations. So we know, you know, our revenue for this year is going to be over a million exactly where it'll fall. That will, we'll see that, you know, as we go through the program. the safe that is at least a million. And so you've seen here now 780,000 and expenses, 220,000 would be remaining, plus whatever additional citations are issued. And the only thing we've really committed to that has a reoccurring expense would be the two officers. And so that's important. We have to treat this money even though it's a windfall, you have to treat it as non-recurring to a certain extent. Because you don't know does the state come in tomorrow and change the allocation on the program? You wouldn't want to commit to $800,000 in reoccurring funding. And then the state comes back in and says, hey, by the way, you get $2 a citation from here on out and now we're scrambling to come up with $700,000 in the general fund to maintain those expenses. So it's capital-heavy by design and but having some level of reoccurring isn't a bad thing with the officers and even if this program were to go away to Moe or if no one stood through like Alfred or only spent only 10 miles an hour over the speed limit and we collected zero in revenue we would just be able to pick up those two officers back into the general fund. So we don't want to get too far over our skis and this is kind of what staff is presenting based upon feedback from both your fire chief and your police chief. So that's kind of the plan on that moving on to the community redevelopment agency. agency. Again, going back to the comments from before Central Park, say we're still kind of putting money aside and then investing it into the concession stand. Downtown Street Scaping Project. When this comes back, you'll probably see an escalation here because, you know, we're going to have more revenue coming in and we'll identify new projects, especially of the, I don't know, that state bill is probably not going to make it. But if it did, we would, you'd see a 2 dozen projects on here that that state bill had legs to it. You got your commercial facade grant, 200,000 residential facades that were going back to residential next year, 200,000 on the commercial. That program's being utilized more and more, as folks kind of realize it's out there. The diner, they were happy campers, and we were able to knock that out. We've got the liquor stores reached out. They've expressed an interest I've heard, you know, Charlie from the piece of place, Caligera, they've expressed an interest. So that program, the starting to gain attention and people see, hey, we can actually partner with the city and get some stuff done. So that program's growing in popularity. Street scaping, now we show this photo every year. If we can ever get FDOT to turn over, make sure to us and actually repurpose the lanes and have a true main street. We would be able to repurpose, you know, it's five lanes across now. Imagine if you had two lanes and then you could actually have landscaping on street parking, bike paths, you know, wider sidewalks for pedestrian connectivity, those types of things. So that's always out there and something that the CRA can help with when it comes time if we can get FDOT to commit to that. Again, that's kind of the CRA and a nutshell. Parks, we talked about passing the baton on the parks and rec plan. I think the CRA will still have a park to play within that. Does the CRA take on some of the debt service obligations for the parks in it that I think that's a conversation that we have or do we pivot the CRA away from the park projects and rely upon impact fees and general funds and then do all in on street escaping. We're kind of at an inflection point on the CRA but that will probably develop over the next couple of years as we kind of figure out what those pieces of the puzzle look like in the various park projects and street-scaping projects. All right, Parks and Rec Master Plan. This is my first kind of take on it. This is conceptual in nature. The members are not based on anything we've gotten yet from contractors or from the art from the consultant. But you can see here Central Park, if next year is kind of a planning year for engineering on the concession stand, those types of things. We could do a project year. I remember next year or this year going into next we're going to be building a playground. So if we're implementing implement and design implement design you always want to be designing and implementing at the same time. So that's kind of where we're going to be for the next several years. So if we can implement and then design and then implement, you can see 1.5 million here, that would pair up with 500,000 from the CRA. You know, we would have $2 million to deploy in Central Park as far as that would get us. You know, Rochelle, I'm showing that as 500,000.. I don't know if we can get it done for that. If I had John Deaton on staff, we could absolutely get that done for less than 500. OK, I don't know. I don't know. SwiftMobile will be happy with us. There are so many permits we would have, but we get it done. So that one I'm showing is 500. Master plan for McCoy if we can do design on some of those features that may set us up for a future implementation there. I'm showing 2 million as a placeholder. Growers, fertilizers, I'm feeling that as a million. It's highlighted in orange only because we don't have control over whether we get that grant or not. If we do get it, growers and theory could come down next year and then we would be lined up for lines. Library expansion, I'm showing that as 2 million. I don't know if we can get it done for that but we might. I know we'll have about enough funding to do that. And so the lot, I put the library here as a placeholder for next year because it's going to be the first thing that's going to be shovel ready out of the gate. And you don't want to sit on the money too long while inflation just eats away at it. So that's conceptually why I'm showing that there because that's going to be the first major project that's going to be shovel ready. And again, thank you to the friends of the libraries donation for the Arc for the architecture they donated over a hundred thousand we put that to work we'll have plans coming forward to the city commission here soon we've already met with the friends of the library they were very excited but what they saw with the initial and so I'm just showing that as a place older because it's going to be the first one after the gate that'll be shovel ready. And then from there it gets a little hazier. I'm showing 1.5 million in design for Ryan's Park because it's probably going to cost that if not more. I'm showing this in year five only because we're just not going to have the money internally to do it. it. That's going to be where you get into debt service. I'm showing 30 million. Auburn Dale did the Max Beach project with their community center. I think they came in around 18 to 20 million on that Lyons Park as a whole lot bigger. We're doing a much bigger community center. This could be 40 million. It could be 50 million. I just I don't know at this point. So we'll value engineer it. You know, we're not going to build a Taj Mahal type of thing. But if you figure, you know, Lake Eva was $20 million when they built it 15 years ago, and everything's probably tripled in price since then, you know, you figure, you might be in that range. And so that's what I'm showing it here but that's just a conversation for us to have as to when do we draw the line on paying our own way versus debt service. And then I show the macaque implementation of the again the air condition buildings if the 2 million got us most of the site work done and kind of got the bones of it straight and maybe the pavilion, you know, do we do one debt obligation for liens and macaque, do the air-conditioned buildings that are a part of the macaque plan and then use the balance of it for liens. But li Lions by and large, the bulk of the budget is going to be that community center. So if we're going to do it, unless, and this is where we'll work with the consultant, we'll have to see what the pieces of the puzzle look like, but it's probably going to be beneficial just to do it all at once if we could, rather than get in there, go back in, tear it back up or disrupt the parking lot and do these other things. Lions is probably going to be one where you just want to go start to finish and just have them do the whole thing is my thought on it. So that's heavy capital. And again, those numbers are loose. Their placeholders in nature, those numbers will absolutely change. But that's kind of a loose framework for how I've got it structured in the budget for now. You don't see the North Park here yet because that's going to be more in the 10-year plan, not in year five. But again, as Commissioner Eden suggested, it may be if we go with the open space option on Central, is there a way to carve up the North Park to where maybe we can get the ball field sooner rather than later, maybe that could come into your four or five of this plan. That's the conversation we'll have with the consultants. And so again, these are the kind of the renderings that you've seen before, different options. You've got wines there. I think that was an earlier version that had more quartz. Rochelle again and I showed that one in next year's budget because we might be able to just knock that one out. And then again you you've seen this before. Library Expansion. So that's where that would likely go, although based on what I've seen, it'll probably be even wider. The bill we might actually kind of go down here. And then we might have, like, on-street parking for folks that want to just access the library directly. As I said, the friends are pretty happy with the initial designs that we've seen and those will be coming to the city commission here. Probably, I'll distribute them in an update, probably going into summer when we get close to finalizing those, but pretty exciting opportunity there. And now we also have meeting spaces and a little meeting spaces like a little classroom set up and said that was not just circulation spaces actually design more for computer labs, multi-purpose rooms, study rooms and then this whole section here was actually one big like classroom, community room, and so that's the benefit. The grand vision is Lions Park having that one done but if this is something we could execute on in the next 18 months that would be very useful and valuable not only for library staff but for the community as a whole we need that type of space to host meetings, arts and crafts, all sorts of activities. All right, so that's a portion wreck. And I'll keep me moving again. That's absolutely subject to change. When we get a cost estimates in, there might be some sticker shop there. But this kind of shows you a loose framework, at least of how the dominoes could fall, even if the numbers are larger. General operations and facilities, these are kind of like catch all projects. I don't like playing whack-a-mole through the whole budget. So if we needed to replace an air conditioner at the Mekai and that might cost $15,000 or $12,000, I don't like blowing up $5,000 repair and maintenance line items to squeeze those in. Only for that expense to disappear next year. And then again, you have all this ups and downs, ups and downs throughout the budget. So I like this to kind of be the miscellaneous, you know, catch all projects and because if it's not, it's like an impersonal budget. If it's not the car repair, it's the AC. If it's not that, it's the dishwasher, bro. There's always something that you're having, you know, the joys of home ownership, as I like to call it. call it. Well, this is the funds for the joys of operating a city. There's always something, and it's usually to the tune of about 200 plus grand, you know, a year just in these different projects. So if the facility projects, I've listed that out as 100,000 a year. That's consistent equipment, 100,000 a year. Gardener House is kind of gotten its own line item here for a while. We're making good progress and headway on there. I don't know if this will exactly get us over the finish line, but it'll be pretty close. You know, maybe we go to year three, but at some point that'll be done. And then that'll just roll into general maintenance. You know, but we've got quite a bit of work there. We've re-done the roof. We've got work we need to do on the real estate office, next door. We've got some foundation issues and things that we're working with the historic society on that. They've given us kind of their priority list and then, you know, we're just kind of checking down those boxes until we can get that fully operational. So is there a plan for the little house next to that? So that's the that's the real estate office right here and that needs quite a bit of work done. I think long term that's going to be a resource for the historic society. They may either as an expansion or to have some offices there or the like. You know, they've got the old bank building there, which is pretty tiny. So this would be, this would be kind of a, and again, what's the commission desires otherwise. That's kind of the thought process there on that building. And then of course the Macai, I'm sorry, the Gardner House, you know, that is, you know, we use that at the end of the Christmas parade and things like that. That will be just another just high quality event space. We'll have a nice buffer wall around the backside, have a nice, you know, garden kind of area in the front and in the back, make it, just make it very high class high quality and we can use that for city events or rentals or things like that. And here's kind of a breakdown on some of those expenses so I need every year of course as I go through the budget process I sit down with every department head they've got their list of items. The big ticket items make it to the five-year CIP. The little items don't always make it. But this is the first year I've shown this. This is kind of a breakdown of some of that. So the equipment line item that you just saw here and then the facility projects. You can see where it's allocated. So Parks is looking for a sprayer, a trailer for Parks. Police chief requested a mountain bikes as a part of like a biking unit. We would use it more like for promotional activities when we do events and things like that, part of like outreach programs. We're not going to have a bike patrol, you know, going through the groves or anything like that. I think it's more promotional in nature. We got a mountain. See, Milton? Yeah, it's going to be expensive. We got a road bike. We put them on the nature trails there. Replacement firearms were due for that within PD. Three commercial pop-up tents. Rapp, for an enclosed trailer that we already have, and then an ice machine. I always joke, I feel like we replace an ice machine every year. I'm still looking for the other 10 that we seem to have, but ice machines are always going out and we need them. So you can see, total budgeted or total requested is $69,000. We budgeted $100, and that's exactly where we wanted. You don't want to use up every dollar because something always pops up, something always breaks that we weren't anticipating. And so that's kind of our reserves, if you will, within the budget without having to go from the bank. So that's just kind of margin in the budget that we use for stuff breaking. Same thing on projects. Wind is requested funding. We've got old historic minute books. What year was the one you were looking at? This will take us from 27 through 56 and also the McCoy home plan. Oh, the plans that we found. Yeah, yeah. Let's take a look at the show. We actually found the old. It looked like the ones that you guys had found from before, that Connie had, but we found another one here in City Records that we want to restore this. That is not a cheap process, but of course those are the minutes of the city. We just had a cool reenactment here not too long ago when we were doing the renaming of the city. You know, back again, 100 years ago, and so we want to preserve those and preserve that history and so that's that project there. Police had requested 2000 for front entrance improvements to their little I think like a TV and some areas there just so they can have like a bold different announcements and things like that. Upgraded lighting and Security for the police department, 10,000, and then the McCuy balcony, 8,000. I'm again, reinvesting dollars into the McCuy house, maintenance, things like that. And again, 8,000 dollars would be a big expense and a regular maintenance line item for the McCuy. Preserve, so we try to capture that. You're only gonna do the balcony once, or not very often, so that's where we capture that in this budget. So we've only budgeted, we've only allocated 30,000, we budgeted 100, there's surplus there, enough by design in case projects come up mid year, whether citizens come forward or commission or staff, we've got discretionary funding to say, oh hey, yeah, we can do that. We don't, because if you're in January and you've got nothing allocated, well, then the response is, well, it's wait until October, wait until the next budget. This kind of allows that discretionary funding. And then if we don't spend it, well then great. 70,000 goes into the bank and it's sitting there in reserves and it's just a good good process. Good way to, good way to budget and allows us to get things done, allows us to be flexible and responsive and then at the same time if we don't spend it the money just goes back into the bank. So again, that's general operations and facilities. Public works. And so there's quite a few line items here. Replacement vehicles, that's a normal expense for us. If 10 years and 100,000 plus miles is usually our threshold to replace high use vehicles. So this would be the F-150s and things that you see. You know, we try to get a good 10 years out of them before we replace them. Public Works Barn Upgrade renovation. This is down there on West Haynes. And so we've got some demo work coming up and some other things that kind of better integrate that church property that we got. We're also look down there and see if we can sit in. We talked about doing like a little recycling loop. You know to see if we can have the dumpsters there for folks that want to drop off recycling. We're going to look at this and see if we can't carve that into the existing space and make room for it. Lightning loader replacement,, 250,000. We, again, we try to get about 10 years out of a lightning loader and a garbage truck. We budget for that. So I think it's about 19 cents at every dollar that we collect on the sanitation bill, goes in restricted funds in order to replace these equipment. And so I monitor that in a depreciation schedule. And we update it from time to time, but we're in good shape. So this is 430,000, and that's an odd number. And Clifton had a good suggestion or good option, where it's basically if we buy a new one, it's almost like a public's Bogo deal, but not quite. If we buy one, they give us a really good deal on refurbishment of an existing one. And so I think for only the, what is it, Clifton? If you'll, what's the numbers on that, the spread? I can't remember. I know it's 430 total. Well, it's an explain explain it because you I can never hang on to that knowledge for whatever reason. If you walk us through exactly what you're trying to do with that, it's a good it's a good idea. So I appreciate him bringing it to me. Good Bernard, but we worked through it. So what we did was we basically got a pretty good deal from GS bodies. They gave us a good deal on a brand new truck, 281,000 when they're normally around 375, 350. But we got a Kenworth truck that's in pretty good shape as of 2019. But we buy that new throat bill. Give us a good deal of 148,000 for a brand new body for one of our newer trunks. And explain what the body is. So the body is actually the big tank of that arm takes and helps into the back of the truck. That's the body of the truck. The chassis is actually the motor and the cap where the driver says that basically they'll replace our old complete body new arm technology cameras and everything for the 48 and that's the where part on it right that's what that's what wears out in 10 years okay so the truck would just keep going so that we're almost getting a new truck out of it although not quite but so it's when I say Bogo deal, it's kind of that, because we're right at about 375,000 for a new truck. So if we can basically get new life out of a truck that's been given us issues, the 2019, we're getting a pretty good deal. So for only $55,000 more than what we would have paid for a new truck, we basically get five, six additional years probably out of the one that we did maybe even more. And that's a, I'll take that deal every time. So keep in coming, Kristen. We might pay for that back to our kit. New sanitation vehicle. Just showing in the third year. That's out there at some point. I'll keep that in year three until we need to move that forward. But we know with all the growth that we've got coming in addition to the replacement vehicles. Eventually we're just going to have to add a new vehicle. When exactly that'll hit, I'll, you know, that'll be, we'll keep communicating with the public works director on that, but we're in good shape now. But that is out there, so I just want to throw that out there. We might need to advance it if things slow down. We might be able to push it back. Sidewalk projects and CDBG, and that should actually be 175. So I'll make that change. We've been ramping up on this every year so that should be 175 and then 200 and then I'm just showing 200 because the crystal ball gets a little hazy as you get out in the year 3, 4 and 5 but that's the ADA CDBG project line item. Wind has been doing a lot of good work with that. And just like with the Parkmaster plan, I was like, let's get a budget to start with. I think it was at 100 at first and then we've grown it over time. And so it's like, okay, let's knock out the low hanging fruit. And then we'll climb the ladder and we'll get into more expensive projects as we go. But and Wind has done a great job with that on the project side and also, you know, coordinating with the ADA committee of which we've got staff and citizens on. I seem as Debbie there in the back. Thank you for your participation on the ADA committee and putting those dollars to good use on on retrofits and taking care of areas around town as well as city facilities. So public work facility land purchase this has been in the budget and it's kind of working its way forward. We're making good we're getting good use out of what we've got there on West Haynes long term though when the city has 15 20,000 population when we turn into to the the size of Auburndale, if you see their public work facility, they've got 10 plus acres and they've got size there and we're going to need that at some point. So just throwing that in there, that's part of the facility plan. We would use impact fees to pay for that. Growth would pay we would need we would need the additional space for that growth related project. Complete streets projects you saw those as a part of the public safety funding the 250 for each on street improvement that's just on the stretch there downtown we've engineered that last year we can use transportation impact fees for that and so that will pay for itself and that will kind of increase capacity and just improve that small section there between Shin and Lake Shore Boulevard and in Street Sign replacement we've already kind of seen that going through town and so that just continuing that investment. I've got 100,000 there as a placeholder as we get more detailed. But that's a showing that's a phased in project. Bren and Aubrey and Clifton have been working on that. And so we're going to look to continue that and eventually have all the signs in the city looking as good as the ones that we've got out here. Street resurfacing, we're getting back into that mode. We kind of did some complete street projects before, but now you can see putting 150,000 aside. And then we bank for a year, then we spend, we bank for a year, and then we spend. And why we do that, rather than do $150,000 per year, is you probably pay a good $10,000 in mobilization fees just getting the equipment out there. So you get more bang for your buck if you save up and do a project every other year. I've asked Clifton to update the street surfacing priority list. You can't just go based up on how old the road is. Some roads get higher usage than others. Heavy trucks, those types of things. So we'll look at that then pavement cracks. Those type of things. And we'll bring that forward when we get ready to do that project. Picture of the garbage truck. Another picture of one. I'm lightning loader, and then you can see the signs that we've done recently. And then again, public works. And then, okay, a public utility, so again, vehicle replacement, we're pretty much at every other year. The ribs are the rapid infiltration basin. I'll show kind of the picture of that as we go, but that's been in the budget now for a couple years and the facility plan for longer than that. Stormwater master plan, that is the one master plan that we have not done yet. We've done master plans on everything else. Stormwater is the last one. We're waiting on this because the county is doing a county wide Basically flood and stormwater vulnerability study and that data will be used in whatever planet we come up with So they they need to do theirs first before we do ours I'm putting it in year three just as a placeholder that very easily though could move up Biopast pump. This has been requested. We've got one last year and it's been very necessary. A bypass pump allows us to keep a lift station and operation if the pumps go down. So as all these developments are adding more and more lift stations and turning it over to us and so having a second backup pump or a bypass pump isn't a bad thing as we need to do repairs or if one goes down, it just allows us to do it two at the same time rather than only having the one. So that was the request from the utility director. Um, dump truck and crane truck. That's been in the budget now. And so it's working its way through. Remove the water tower that's now worked its way into year five of the budget. I know that's a sad moment but at some point that water tower will just need to come down. It is not an active part of the utility anymore. We run the entire system off of variable frequency drives, VDs and so the tower you'll never see another water tower built again I wouldn't think and so that tower is going to get to the point where it's going to need it's already got some structural issues with it it would probably need you'd probably have to put a half million dollars into it just to maintain it and it doesn't make sense to do it as a vestigial part of the operations. So we don't have to do that today, but that is going to work its way through and we will need to plan on that. At some point there might be an opportunity to build a smaller version of it almost like a replica. Maybe in one of those roundabouts that the counties put in in there. I've seen like smaller ones, they've got like a celebration or davenport, you know, maybe we can build a smaller replica, it's kind of an honor, you know, to that very historic landmark and we might even be able to paint a mural or something on it. So yeah, Alfred, Alfred the best, we can put it on there. Water sewer master plan, showing that just because we'll need to update it in a couple of years. Hard to imagine. We did that about two years ago, but as I suggested before, master plans, even though they have about 10-year planning horizons, they get hazy as time passes and so you really need to update them about every five years. So that's going to work its way through. The VAT truck, this is something that John Deaton always asked for and I always held off on because it's a very expensive piece of equipment. We did a jetter trailer, we've done a VAT trailer and now we're working our way up to where we really just need the full version basically which is a vac truck. It basically is just a giant vacuum cleaner. It can suck and then it can also blow and shoot out water and we use it for cleaning lift stations. We can use it for stormwater cleanouts. We use it for a ton of different things. We have to borrow that truck from time to time from Auburndale and Haines City. And so with all of the additional rooftops and things that we have, it's just time to make that level of investment in order to have that type of equipment. And then I think we can probably return the favor now and we can loan it out to Haines City and Auburndale when they need one. I think we can probably return the favor now and we can loan it out to Haynes City in Auburndale when they need one. So that's about a $600,000 expense. I am showing that as being split between water and sewer impact fees because that is a growth-related project because we've never had that before. And so impact fees will pay for that one time. And then when it comes time to replace it, and about 10 years, we would just have to replace that ourselves. Are these trips available to a event to wait? Yeah, they're a big lead time on that, Clifton or no? Okay, not too bad. So if we get conceptual approval, we'll probably give them a paper commitment saying, hey, we're going to follow through with it. And then that way, by the time October rolls around, we'll probably be able to take the whipry on it by the end of the year. And these are what cleans the drains. Yeah, it's basically like a big... Actually, I don't think I actually pulled the paper. This is a big... You'll see them driving. It looks like almost like a big water truck, but they've got like these like cannons, like hose cannons, that you'll see kind of like mown it up on it, and that's a that truck. I'll find a picture and and send it out. But yeah, we've never had one of those before. We may do with the Jeter trailer and then the vat trailer, but we're at that point where, and what it also can do is if you have a water main or a water break and it's filling up and you need access, it can actually suck the water out of wherever it's at, faster than the water comes in because it's just, it's a much higher capability, you know, piece of machinery. So we're at that point now. We're, we're a clips in 10,000 population or we will be soon, 8,500 in county, you know, now's the time to make that level of investment. So and John, or, or, I've given, I've given for encouragement to tease John that you got the VAT truck on your watch. Just tell him what he had to do was ask, I don't know what the problem was after all these years. So, well, with these jobs, we made the most out of the jetter trailer and the VAT trailer. And we're still going to maintain the back trailer because it still has a good piece of equipment we've so got and the VAT trailer. We're still going to maintain the VAT trailer because it's a good piece of equipment. We've got a number of years left on it, so we'll utilize both. County Road 557, Water Main Relocate. That's working its way forward. We know as the road expands, we're going to have some water mains there that we need to relocate. And then that one may actually even need to move up. But we're probably pretty close. It'll either be the end of the 25, 26 year, 26, 27. And you know, we'll just need to knock that out. I've showed 75% impact. A percentage of that can be impact because it is growth related, although some of the will have to be just regular enterprise fund reserves. Wayne receiving station. So this is what we're receiving from the, this is what we need to receive the co-op dollars. The City Commission recently approved the property purchase on Lock Street in order to accommodate that and we need to build that Where the interconnect is with the city of winter Havens and then wastewater plant upgrade You just recently approved the design on that and we're budgeting 35 million in order to do that Expansion we got 80% loans forgiveness on the design if we could get 80% of number, that would be the big win. I don't know if we'll get it, but we will shoot for it. Yeah, and so the way, this gets a little confusing, but SRF has a limit to what you can do in one year. So like I think it's right now around 20 million, and then they only let you get principal forgiveness on one iteration of the loan. So we might get 80% of 20 million and then the remaining 15 million would just be another SRF loan but you wouldn't get the principal forgiveness on. So it's a little complicated. That's how they explained it to me. We will get the most that we can. But you figure if we got 80% on 20, that's 16 million. That's basically 50%. If we could get it on a $35 million project. So we'll do what we can there, but that'll be a big boom. If we can get any type of percentage off of 35 million. And so this is the spray field to rib conversion. So right now you're affluent discharge. It basically just goes out on a big spray field. If you see up at Auburndale in 559 on the other side of the interstate and you see just those cannons, the water just shooting you go, what is that? That's Aub them just play fields. They're not growing crops or anything like that. That's the effluent discharge that comes from their wastewater plant and say it's filled with nutrients, nitrogens and things like that. It grows into the hay, they bail the hay, and that's how they take the nutrient load basically off of the spray field. So that's what we have too. Although ours is off of like white road, if you kind of go the back way, basically between Lake Lowry Road and 557 we've got acreage there which is our spray field. We're going to be converting this into what they call a rib. So rather than have in 2030, 40 acres of spray field, you might have, you know, three, four, five, six acres of ribs. And they're basically just pools. Instead of spraying it out everywhere, it's a rapid infiltration basin. You just dump it into these ponds and then it seeps through back into the aquifer. So you just got to find sandy soil and then it just kind of drains through. So that's what we're looking to do there. That's part of our permit with the water management district and they've already evaluated that. And so these were the other expenses, the bucket. No, let's see. That's the dump truck here. And then the crane truck, those are working their way through. This is basically what the receiving station will look like on Lock Street. When it's all said and done, you'll have a ground storage tank and then you'll have a little pump house. The only difference between this and a water plant is rather than have a pipe or a well that goes deep into the ground, it's just going to connect over to the winter haven and it connects across the street. But that's basically what it'll be. You'll have a pump house and you'll have a ground storage tank. Is that pretty much it, Clefton? Okay. Found that on Google. And then there's a wastewater plant expansion, that's not ours and ours designed a little bit different, but we're basically doubling our capacity from 1 million gallons a day to 2 million. So if you just kind of envision if that was 1 million gallons a day with two tanks, you'd build two more. I think we've already got, how many do we have? Do we have four now Clifton So that one what are we going to eight? Yes, so we're going from basically this to eight so we're going from four to eight is basically what we're doing How should you get that's what you get for thirty five million dollars you get you get four more holes in the ground Yep tell the engineer I said that to public utilities again just kind of a recap there on what we've already covered and then real quick the 10 year facility plans. So this is you've seen year five, one, two, three, four, five and then this kind of goes further out to year six through ten. So you saw the evidence building North Fire Station that will work its way through. I'm sorry, North Police Station, North Station, and Apparatuses for the Fire Department, New City Hall Complex. I'm going to show this in year 10 for a while. At some point, like what we had talked about before, we turn into a city of the size of Auburndale or even bigger we'll then have our uncity hall complex and need to you know but again that could be that could be 10 years from now it could be 15 years from now it could be 20 years from now the way I look at this plan is it's basically like an accordion if all the growth happens at once it's going to compress and then we probably will need to do it closer to 10 years. If growth slows and the accordion stretches out, well then now you might be able to turn 10 years into 15 or 15 into 20. So we can expand it or we can compress it as we need to, but we need to be prepared for it no matter what. And so that's kind of what we've done with all of our plans. You've already seen all of these phases in the CIP. What you're not seeing is the North Complex, and again that's just a placeholder that can move forward. As we talked about before, is there an earlier phase just for the battlefields that might be able to go sooner. That's what we'll look at. Public works, you already saw the land purchase, and then you see the public works facility, which we would build on top of the land potentially year six, if we needed to. Public utilities, you've seen everything up to this point. At some point, we will decommission this water plant here. If we build the new water plant and we get the receiving station, that will count as a second plant. We really need about two plants at some point. This will decommission and this would actually allow us to then redevelop this area in the CRA. If the water tower is gone, the water plant, this all relocates. We own everything now from center state bank all the way to Gardener Park. Even the county EMS station, we own that property. They've got a land lease with us. So we actually own from the corner of Gardener Park all the way down the center state. again, 20 years from now we might be sitting on you know goldmine property and then the city might redevelop this entire thing into a mixed-use project with residential, commercial, everything else. So that's that's kind of a long, long range plan. Public utilities, we're not showing anything else past this point because we've been very front leaning on utilities. Once we build the water plant, once we build the receiving station, once we do the sewer plant expansion, that's enough. We will be done for, right, Kristen will be ready to retire after that. We'll be done in terms of major capital. Now there's always the next leg. You know, they're dealing with advanced nutrient removal on this PFAS stuff on the forever plastics. It is then turned into legislation that then requires another capital upgrade. This isn't the end of it that we've done. We've done all the big stuff. Not to say that things won't pop up when we update the master plans two years from now. That may then identify more projects that we need in the future. But for now, we've got enough. And then transportation, all we're really showing is one street. This is a newer thing for us. A lot of this will be development driven. But as a development comes in, we may identify those. There's no point really in showing them on the year schedule because a lot of that will just be development driven as things come in. So that's, that is the five-year capital improvement program and the 10-year facilities, just so you see the number on the bottom there. In 10 years, that's $122 million. So, it is pesos. If you think of it as pesos, it doesn't think of that. But yeah, that's kind of what we're looking at. We're basically building a city on top of the city, and that's what we're prepared for. That's what we've been planning for. And as I said, the city's job is really to be prepared for it. I mean, the public and others have different opinions about growth and I would be happy to share a beer with them and agree. But operationally from the city side, our job is to be prepared for growth because that's what the state kind of mandates us to do. We process and we prepare for it, but again going back to that accordion analogy, you're probably looking at about 20 to 25, maybe even 30 years worth of projects that have been compressed into a 10 year window because that's what we're that's effectively what we're dealing with because it took Auburndale all these other cities had different glide paths and we're basically ramping up straight up and then level level out so we'll take a slow down but this is what we have to be prepared for so with that staff will be staff recommendation is to approve the proposed draft capital improvement program and tenure facility plans and staff will be, staff recommendation is to approve the proposed draft capital improvement program and tenure facility plans and staff will be happy to stand for any questions. Okay, this is the public meeting and you have the opportunity now to come up to the podium with any public comments or questions. Are you okay? What? Yeah. Just want to need that. I understand that. This is Joe W. Cannon. They got the Florida on 319 water lily land. Earlier I heard you mention the water, the new water treatment plant is about 20 plus million. So you're going to get a credit for 16. And the way of the rest that we've come from, the task fair, or do you ask for a waiver, or do you request a waiver for under certain circumstances? Because the state is requiring that you grow and meet the man of the people. So the state is now making a ton of new money. All these howlers equal billions and billions of dollars and tax revenue. And so if that being the case, I think that the board should look at it very carefully and put a lot of weight on the state that helped them meet these requirements at the state that I can do. Once it was all formed, you've got houses stacked on top of houses and you've got 9,000 people here now. And you try to build 5,000 houses or you do the math. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of capital. Just for this city, you know, just for the government. And I see back by experimental stations, because I think they're like nine years, but I'm pretty keen. I mean, that was all growth. I mean, like, one day I woke up and I'm like, wow, man. And they said, it's gonna be a five thousand back day behind experimental stations. And they got more people in 27, they're property. We property, I mean, so all this money to stay made, I think they got the ship trying capitalized on all this new tax money. Because that tax basis, that's a monster now. It's not, it's not an argument, it's how it's. So, you know, my, my thought is that. Let's not it's not original. It's how it's so you know my my my thought is that Let's not get into debt When the turn of money is going for who just got to know how to access that money And get our hand off because debt is not the answer Debt me higher taxes Debt me cut down all certain facilities certain type of thing that you offer health-related, disadvantaged, and schools. Because somebody got a bit of bill. So I just think it would be very wise that the mayor and the city really look at how much money the state of fire is taking that. The last time I checked it was more than a hundred billion. More than a hundred billion. So they raking it in. So let's just get on the bus and get some of the money. Because I'm not carrying on. I used to live in California, but I still have property. It was a girl too. And like five years after, it scared me. We had 50 miles of gold. Now you got 50 miles of the houses. 50 miles. Can you imagine that? So that's not, that's not really like California. you want to find six trillion debt. West Day away from that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. There are any other comments or questions on this particular item. And just to caveat to that, I think the commission we've always looked at, low debt options. The state giving 50% principal forgiveness through SRF is kind of part of their grants. If we can get 50 cents on the dollar back, that's a win. And then we're called to the commission. We do the master plans and we do the impact fees so that growth pays for itself. Our police is as much as it, oh it's right, the city attorney. I appreciate that. The connection fees, not impact fees. That's what's written there, you know, I appreciate that. I gotta get my nomenclature right. But so, no, this connection fees are designed to help pay off that, you know, keep the debt to a minimum or at least have the payments there. But the comments are spot on, the enterprise fund is a utility and so that has to be paid by customers and ratepayers between the state programs. the payments there. But the comments are spot on, the enterprise fund is a utility and so that has to be paid by our customers and ratepayers, but between the state programs and the impact fees, we try to keep those things to a minimum. Okay, seeing there's no other people wanting to make public comments or questions, we'll close that option and go to city commission comments. It's going to be a lot of hard work and spot on on any comment that's been made because we know what the dollars are and it's just getting higher and higher and we appreciate that. that is a one your number there for the 10 year at 122 and look what they've done in what so many years with just 557. Yeah, and what the County Commissioner mentioned to us in the town last week, he mentioned for the first time I heard it and I mentioned it to you that it's going to go to 200 million by the time it's done. Yeah, I heard 120, but he may have got something on the latest and greatest on that, but it just keeps going up. But anyway, yes, I just hope we can stick to that projected cost. and it keeps going up because that's after the $17 million water plant fell off, you know, it's just cost escalations and things like that. So it's a moving target. You know, inflation has a very corrosive effect on everybody. You know, I know there's a lot of folks that are hurting out there, you know, in the larger economy, but as we always say to say, the city, we don't, we don't have a money-friendly downstairs. Our budget has to balance just like everyone else's, and we see those cost increase, you know, across the board and all services that you see at most pronounced in those capital expenses. One of the other things the state is talking about is eliminating property taxes. So how of the city's men maintain anything if there's no property taxes being collected? Yeah, I had fun with that one. I just told me, I go ahead and do it. Let's just say, what a rip. I mean, it's such a... It hasn't passed anywhere. I understand the frustration with it,, inflation causes your asset prices to go up. So, you know, the home that you bought ten years ago for a hundred grand is now three hundred grand, but it's the same house. So it's just like these projects. When a fire engine goes from five hundred thousand to a million, but it's the same fire engine. Did the fire engine change or did the currency change? And of course the answer is the value of the currency is what's changed, not the house, not the fire engine, not the water plant. Look at a water plant. A water plant hasn't changed in 50 years. It's a ground storage tank, it's pump house and, and it's a well. How does a water plant go from $5 million to $17 million in a 15-year period? It's the same thing. So the answer is, of course, the currency has devalued. So anytime they say inflation, it's really debatement. And so then if you have ad-belorm taxes on a house, and the house goes up, but really the currency went down now your taxes go up. And so that's the frustration that everyone experiences. I think there's different homestead bills and things out there that we will contemplate and look at. But at the end of the day, cities are just as beholden to inflation as everybody else and you see it in our own budgets. Yeah. It's tough for everybody. Just for the benefit of the folks and the audience tonight, Jack and Ryan and I spent 10 hours in a car and that was the master's presentation we had. I had them cornered. They had to listen to me on inflation for two hours. The important thing is that you were not talking about official city business, you were writing the same car for 10 hours. Nothing. Absolutely fantastic. The whole thing is all about the car. I had to listen to me, pying on about academic studies. I love it. We were talking about house bills and I just wanted to add a little caveat in my years of practicing law. You generally see at least 10 bills that are just outright eye-sores. There's no way they're going to pass like the elimination of CRAs in my opinion will not pass. The elimination of advolume taxes will not pass. But the goal is to look at those bills and say there's no way that we can let these get through when you have the cap on homestead that's kind of floating around out there and that's the and that's the golden nugget. So you can look at all those the ones that are just they shake the tree. They're shaking the tree in order to get through what they want to get through. and you will see something go through as far as capping. Maybe it's homestead or it'll be some tweak here or there, but it won't be, let eliminate advalorum taxes in my opinion now if I'm wrong I will go and just for the benefit of the public in the commission my my serious response to that is if property tax is went away tomorrow you would see a proliferation of non-ab allorum assessments for public safety. That's what would happen. Because statutory, you are allowed to have a non-ab allorum assessment, which is non-value based. It's on a tax. It's a fee that pays for services that benefit the property itself. So there's already a fire assessment fee in Polk County. We don't do it because we pay for it in stride, but if you were to look at most budgets, whether it's Lake Alfred or Lakeland or even the county, the total add-on that's collected, it probably equals, it might be a little bit less, it might be a little bit more, what the total spend is for fire and police as equivalent. So if property taxes vanish tomorrow, now you would go back and say, okay, well the statute's allow us to do non-abolorm assessments. You would take the entire public safety budget and you would run it through the methodology grinder of a non-abolorm assessment and then everybody would pay the same amount based upon the size of their house. So what would happen is the 2500 square foot home that's in water ridge on the lake front that's worth a million dollars they would pay the same fee that can't be value-based. They would pay the same fee as the 2500 square foot house that was in the middle of the subdivision that was worth 400,000. That's what you would be facing. So anytime the state changes legislation, I always say, what's the downside effects? They solve this problem and then they create another because there are no solutions, there are only trade-offs. that you do away with non-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-ab-aboffs so if you do away with non-ab-if you do away with avalorum what pops up in its place and that's you wouldn't see it day one but if even if even as they start to crimp off ad-volorum which I understand why because everyone's getting impacted by the inflation effects of their homes growing in value it has the bill has to the bill comes. You either reduce services or you find other revenue sources. Yeah. What's all I got? Well, he's the money man. He knows. I probably need to. No, but I mean, again, you can see why this is the value that the city has just no end of compliments to pay him to just do what he does. I do my part. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. So we're at entertain-emotion. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the capital budget and tenure facility plan Second has presented draft draft okay, we have a motion in second all in favor say aye Any opposed motion is carried Complete South presentation. Yeah, that's what we've been waiting out Okay, this is a second opportunity tonight for recognition of citizens. Please limit your comments to five minutes, four and a half minutes for Aaron. I got a question. Ryan, I'll hold her you. I'll be 42 next month. All right, I just wanted to make sure you're going to be around for the next 10 years. Because you're doing an awesome job, so thank you. He tries to look older than he is. Yes, I don't. It's not the years, it's the miles. Are there any other comments from the citizens here? Seeing none, I will move to Commissioner Questions and comments and vice-president Daly. Oh, I'll be quick. I just wanted to say that the Parks and Rec Master Plan is looking great and I appreciate the staff and Emily and everyone who worked on it and you know I enjoyed the public input part of it and you know it's it's going to be a great document. You know that we make these plans and they'll just sit on the shelf. We go back and we do what they say. So master planning is a really big part of what Ryan does in the city and it makes everybody see what's going to be coming up. And I want to congratulate them also on the Heritage Festival because it was a really nice event. There was a lot of people, a lot of vendors, and a beautiful day. And I know it was a lot of work, but it was a really good event. And then the last thing is that it is true that Ryan is birthday coming up and it will be before our next meeting. His birthday is on April 6th, so there's only 20 shopping days left before we leave. So just remember to wish Ryan a happy birthday and the right after April's full stay. Yeah, there's an election coming up on April full stay, but we want to talk about that. That's all I have. Thank you very much. Okay. I'm up next. Again, we have a visits Kalahassi for legislative session and to meet with our legislators up there. And we set in on a few hearings that are going to be interesting to see how they fall at the end of this program. They had them. What they say, they started out with like 895 bills and then they added like 950 like the last two days. So it just more than double the bills that we're going to be considered this year. And everybody says that the money's been cut away from us. So we'll kind of be anxious to see how that all pairs down. The governor's kind of tightening up on some things and they referred to a squabble going on between the Senate president and the House president and the governor. So you never know where that's going to end but we did have some very very good meetings with the Florida cities. Our people up there that kind of go to bat for us and so it's going to be interesting. We're in about I think the third week of session now just starting the third week of session. So about week five or six you'll start seeing some things rocking and rolling up there and see where we stand. Also, I want to thank, specifically, Jack and Ryan for taking place, playing some of the parts in our Heritage Festival recreation, if you will. Jack was Mr. Frank Gardner. And who were you? You were the... He just his hair that day we had to put on the hat. Was it Adams? Who was that? Oh, it's Cox. Whoever the... The Chief President of the Council was. Yeah. Which was, I guess like the old... I asked Connie about that. I'm like, I guess it was kind of like a city manager before there were city managers. Yeah. Because it wasn't a voting member. I was like the same role I do now back 100 years ago. So that's fun. Good that particular exercise was very interesting to see the progression of how like out for became what it is today back in 1950. So just thank you for everybody coming in tonight. It's been kind of a late night. We won't prolong this. Thanks to the chiefs in the back, thanks to all of our directors. Your presentation tonight was excellent. Thank you so much. And anyway, so the next time we will see you, there will have been an election and just make sure people understand it. There's three votes per person. There's three openings and six people running. So I think Ryan mentioned that there is a meet the candidates at the Baptist Church or want to thank staff for helping I know you've been helpful to get that set up. So we'll look forward to Friday afternoon or evening 6 p.m. That's a lot of pressure given. Mr. Mayor. Yes, I just want to thank Ryan and you guys for the support we had going up to tell ask you we did get to see some things. I watched the the CRA community development which is gentleman's left now but he was here. Um, they, um, I watched the CRA community development, which is gentleman's left now, but he was here. They wanted to get rid of it, and it's just bizarre, but I did see him meeting with the Senate the other day, and they asked the bill sponsor, have you been to other CRAs in the state? and he said no. So I think that it won't go. So, but just thank you for everybody that came tonight. Yes, we won't have a meeting until after the election. Congratulations to everyone that's been running. And that's all I have. Thank you. Okay, Commissioner Eden. Thank you. As I was alive, thank you both Chiefs and the back are the first responders. Really do appreciate everything you guys do. Thank Ryan and the Department of Head to, you know, this was a longer meeting but not a lot of really good information. And then I went to the WI, the WI, the Kandace, the Good Luck, Nancy, Mark, Brenda, Ronnie, Mike, and Wanda. so that's what I have a break tonight All right, Commissioner Maltz be I'm into my journey I did 26 years on the commission So that's been a long time and I want to thank the people who are here for supporting me. Every day I was all sweaty like to be there one time. So what is that? I've been there. It's been a six years, a long time. And thank you. I had the support of Lake Alpha. And I supported Lake Alpha. And well, I don't think I could be good to win a six more year. I think we should have left it all. I won't bet against you. I'm 31. But I was here when we had a bank. Oh, and I took to the city of Mary in 1929, which I had a bank, and just parted through another people here, and not 8500. There's no bank, and we had a group of cell, but I see all the things coming right again. Thank you everybody for supporting me between the six years. Okay. Okay, well I want to even sit down. I want to thank everybody again for coming out tonight. Be safe driving home. Just have a great great week ahead. Aaron. Meetings of dreams. What did he do? Thank you.