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Okay. Okay, well in that case, can you move on to your age press updates? With staff friendly. Which one? One more program. Sure. So, I think maybe last time we met, we were thinking about, or possibly getting one of the two remaining units sold, we'd have that one under contract right now, should be closing at the end of the month. So that will be a six unit. And then the seventh unit, we just showed it today. We have a three-party policy in the prospect and we just go open and get that one in the contract for the a couple of weeks. So that went sold in which one's the one bedroom in falls, the counter garden apartment, one button on the wall, and then the winter hill. We'll go to the show. You haven't made me. Okay. Great news. Keep an eye on you to the ground for new units. A couple of them are in sale, but I'm a little bit apprehensive to move forward with them just because they're kind of on the higher end of the price range. And they are, for example, there's a two-bedroom of mental health. That's mid five hundreds. And I think it's a little bit high for the people that we have, that are on our show list that wanted to be there. Yeah, that makes sense. So we're being very, we wanna react with it with the brother needs. We want to react to the review. Probably. That sense our last meeting we've had two new people on the interest list and two new people on the short list added. Well, slow down in that. So where is the cash at this point in all of those units are sold or free of the result and to have no value. So if you haven't locked in your units, where do you, is there a cash reserve here in this city? The city has it. It's technically the same pot of money for the four deposit money, but it's kind of a side plans specifically for these peaks. Oh, I counted for a separate correct. Kind of for separately, but it is in possession of the city. And the only thing we haven't finalized is the recent sale of 128 ACOP, which is the actual unit. We're just working on the accounting data and that's kind of complicated. It wasn't an actual resale. But that should be coming in the next couple of days. And can you share how much money is automatic? I don't have that right now that I can share with you guys if you want. Just so't have that right now that I can share with you guys. You want to know just so we have a sense of how many potential new units can be purchased. Well, I can tell you this. We have been working on a burn rate. So we have a pretty much a monthly report that we signed up to the City Council. And we talked about the burn market. So in that we kind of do some quick analysis to get a sense of like what are our total cost per unit thus far and can we project it out? How many use we can get? Originally we had planned to have about 18 units and right now based on what we're spending per unit, it's stretching out to about 20. So it's working out for the top. With these last two units will be at seven, so I'm only 13. That's what we are. And it'll be a little complicated towards the end because we won't have the money to finance each unit. So we'll have to do that later. Make that work. But that's a kind of forward developer unit. So we'll kind of the way I'm emotionally budgeting for it is about five units per year. And if we could pick that up and make that quicker, obviously, you want to do that. But, you know, it was about five units last year and work, and it's probably going to be about that. So, I guess about you miss this year. Maybe if you want to share that whatever you set up to the city council, 30 degree. I'll let CC one and I have nothing. Should they come up please? Any other questions on. Hp. Thank you. Any other questions on HPE? I'll just move on to reading the village. Not a lot of updates there. We actually have a kind of a big follow-up meeting with West Lee acting in the week. Instead of that, he has some bad news. Our point of contact at West Lee, the project manager you work with, is moving on to the end of the pastures. So we're working with West, and we should have a good communication in that area. Westly, we'll have their board meeting to Marpine, which is a very kind of a step because we are pending any other follow-up conversations on what the determinations of that board meeting. So we'll get a better update what's going on and move the next maps are after that. So I think that's what they want to do. What's left there in light of the kind of updates to the project since we sent you guys that memo. So, yep, we, they're informing their board same way we informed our two accounts. So they're just getting kind of certain lines. Where does the potential like outcomes from that meeting? I mean, is there an outcome where they can say, like, we don't want to do this anymore? Yeah, I think there's a possibility there. I mean, I think when some of the party managers want to hear, I think they're pretty invested there, you can even get over there. There is a divorce clause in the MW. We have signed with him. But for now, I'm just having a record for strong photo house and partner who's just so I guess they don't feel like they want to be that strong partner then they can make that That's a possibility. Yeah. Yes. And Cass, what's the position in terms of the Virginia Village working group? So we've kind of been talking a lot about that offline. I imagine something kind of more... There will be public discussions, but it'll probably be a smaller group of folks of stakeholders in that workholder, in that stakeholder meeting. And once there's a discussion and review, then it will go to a more public forum. So actually, it's probably similar to what happened with the Affordable Women Policy, and that there's a court of group of folks. They met several times, they made some deliberations, and then we're taking that to more public forums. I'm kind of disdusted. So as written in Nemo, and then we're taking that to more public forums. Kind of disgusting. So as written in NemoU, which we drafted with Wesley back in 2021, the working group is kind of contemplated to help figure out the acquisition and redeveloping strategies. And there will probably be a number of students, the council and the members of the housing commission, planning commission, BDA, the field of the planer, and I figure out like, Stencity Coots for, like, what's your setback, you want to have to follow some of the thing, the last, I'm gonna say, the late person participant, that like the affordable living policy bonus. I think so, like, some of you can help think about like, what are the city goals, what are the West League? Probably the West League representatives, what are the city goals, what are the West League probably was and represented as we continue to go to the West League. Like small, nimble groups so that you come up with a plan and then I think part of the plan would involve lots of community engagement. I think that we want the grants to do is a facilitator for a net group to gather and then figure out the community engagement process. I think it'd be part of it with bigger financing options. So even then we're not getting that interim financing loan from Virginia housing. Yeah. So the Virginia Building Working Group will be looking at finance options every time we get one. That's what I asked, right? Because I don't want to, like I kind of want to be able to predict like, okay, we're going to go in on this and figure out a phase redevelopment, like what does it look like? And are we considering hiring a development consultant to like a professional, but advise on different options? Good suggestion. I mean, I don't know who this consultant we wanna grant to do. Like I mean, I would say that's probably blessed as well in this project to have that expertise when you how to put these deals together. I mean, it's still a little bit tricky. This is farming, I would say to some extent, that's what they do. I mean, if you're looking at, I mean, I could be wrong. I can take a look, we won't be telling what Wesley does, but I think of them more as a developer than a development consultant. Like those are two different entities, often with all of our higher development consultants, who's like stole role is to like advise on, sorry, structuring and regular tournament firements and things like that. And the developer is more convinced on the ground that gets the project running and then runs it on an ongoing basis. Because I think just thinking about what decisions are being made by the group, especially if it's people are certain of the representatives, like the one from Wesley is going to be part of their job to take what the committee talks about and then give all some sort of proposal to bring back, especially if they're going to make potentially going to make some of these larger decisions because that's, it's not necessarily like a fully, I guess depending on who is there, like, there's not, they're not necessarily like a fully informed group that can make all of that, like any sort of proposal we need to like go out and be actually vetted by someone who knows if that would work. Instead of it, it came from a development consultant. They would already know, like, here are some options. Here are free proposals that work within these guidelines. And they would kind of be able to go ahead and do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it probably depends on a number of things. But I think more the purpose of the Re-development work group, the idea is phase plan, phase approach that that would be acceptable to the community and that community is an opportunity for behind. Now in terms of feasibility, yeah, I mean, I think maybe possibly there's a development consulting that could develop really contract with but maybe not you know maybe it's just a series of experts you know they're interested in your success. Yeah I guess I don't even get turns you know like yeah part of the team I guess. I'm thinking more at the early stages that the city might benefit from someone who's so role is to come in and look at situations and give ideas of possible solutions. You would talk about how we didn't get the Virginia Village money because this wasn't a standard type of project that Virginia villages used to house it. We weren't set up for like a typical light tech, but it was a housing tech-scrubbit project. No, we could be if there was a retail. Right, but I think so much would be a that could could help us figure out what are the different structure and options and how do we either What are what are our ways to get to the point where we can position this as a life-tech project or if we don't want to position this life-tech project how else could we work this out with Leslie or some other organization? Yeah, just I think seems like one of those things where where you know you maybe want to have a working group that can meet a couple of times and like come up with some like what are some ideas of what we want to do but then kick that to someone who can evaluate those instead of going far down a road of like let's do this without having and watching an informed plan. I think that I think is going to you know, a representative from like, planning and council and housing and whatever else. Like, you're going to get a handful of smart people who care a lot, but you may not know the most important things that need to go into something like that. So, yeah, people are like the making sure that the work group is matched with like one that can bring and isn't tasked with things that really need more expertise. Is that where you're thinking? Yeah. I'm sure someone from the information for all the group. Oh yeah, but I mean, I like what I'm saying is I'm not a development consultant. Like I don't think anybody here is. Like we're not, I think the city needs like professional expertise. I don't think anybody on staff in the city is a development expert. Yeah, that's kind of what I feel. I think it's great to have community and lay leadership involvement, but this seems like a situation that could really benefit from a professional consultant as well. I agree. Cause I think it's complicated stuff right yeah and I think coming out of the word meeting it was they tell him you probably have more information on what I can step in. Yeah so let's remember this input and figure out where we built up on. Yeah okay Okay. Any other questions on the details, guys? I'll leave you up for your other thing. Yeah. So you updates remain. So, Brian Washington, just a quick update. We're about half-lease with the units. I had some people come in from the Ferrari one and two. So I had put a pause on those that are probably to be out already reached out to them, but I put a pause because I had some new applications come in. I think like in the process of life, I'm like three or four that I'm very fine now when back and forth get documents for there. We did a walkthrough at the alder today. They're hoping to start leasing. We made no good bird. I'm waiting until I get the COs before I start reaching out because I've learned from the past, to never go that idea to get ahead, because it usually never works out as planned. So once they start getting their COs, they're doing it in two phases. So they're hoping the first phase would be the number 15. We saw one bedroom today as studio and then two bedroom and then very lovely units. This is the building. You can get them so they see a lot going on. Yeah. It's mid construction for sure. We heard the access to building. Yeah. I mean you'd access it from the bottom. They said 15, I'm not a construction expert. So it was great to see the units. Brendan was there with me. I don't want to say too too much, but like I said, they said in the room 15, so how many units again can we have? We want to have 32, but 32, one is in two, and actually a two.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1. had a request for HHS to have some sort of system where we send out information to our waitlisters. We get lots of calls, just everyone has been part of the floor where the question is, how long do I have to wait? Unfortunately, we would never be able to answer that question. That is a question that just cannot be answered. So another idea that we have, and we spoke about this was, possibly having a system that sends out either like mask emails or if everyone to let them know like you want priority, one priority, two priority, three, like what number you want, and like possibly include like the attachment that has like the ranking. Is that going to answer the question that they want? Probably not. But it would be some sort of common communication that lets you know like, hey, you still on the list, etc, etc. So we've been working with IT to see there is a way for us to do that. And what I've been told by IT, and how's we do not have a system in place? We hear our options. Let me tell you the ones that's going to come for a lot of money. We even have a database because we are not able to send out mass email. If any company has a mass email, send it out. There is a third party that we contract with to do that for us. So is either we get a database that we can, that can do that for us. It just currently has sugar, but with our current licenses, we do not have that option. We would have to purchase real licenses, which is a cost money. I see, often, to Jeff, we have a website that does that for us, but all of that would be third party. Speaking in-house, we spoke of possibly, as you all know, I managed to wait list manually. It's an Excel spreadsheet that I manage, where we could possibly give unique identifier numbers to everyone on the wait list. And that could possibly, of course, removing people's personal information, possibly upload to our website. And we can update it every, I don't know, two weeks every month, whatever, where someone can go and put in their personal identification number, and they could tell them, we're gonna have to come up with some signs system. But those are the kind of ways that is not going to cost us some money, which is using what we've already had. But you still have to get everyone their number. Yes, that's the number thing. How would you like, you're not going to be in your least family? So, it's the thing. I cannot manage. Not not all of everything that I'm doing every day with all the ADU stuff and all the admin and paperwork and calling people and people calling. I cannot do it, call myself. There's no way. I know we've been talking about, and it's not supposed to be for me. Everyone in the office is going to benefit from what's happening at admin. I know it's a budget issue. We are desperate. Especially with these 99 units. Like today I even haven't had lunch because it's just so much. We're getting people qualified. A lot of people we get qualified. I still have to go through a full process. Sometimes they don't get a fruit after I go through hours and hours and days and days of getting those people trying to get them certified because I still have to go through hours and hours and days and days of getting those people to try to get them certified because I still have to go through the process. I'm doing audits, answering questions. I'm dealing with landlord and tenant issues. I have a whole bunch of filing that needs to be done. I'm just giving you an overview, right? We still get calls every day of different issues, everyone in the office and you know it's not just me. It can benefit from us having an admin person. Issues so much to do. And now, like I mentioned, these units, like, basic stuff if we have an admin person, they can do for me. Like, they can call people on the wait list. You start getting the people working together, and I do to finalize stuff. We have an intern that's going to start next week, but I'm not sure how much they would be able to do. We said we were going to start to have that them go through the wait list like, hey, you're still there, here you're here's where you are, but I'm not even sure because we have so much different projects that the intern is going to be helping how much of that we can get done. It's so, so those are kind of like the actions. Like I said, as either we do third party, that's going to cost a lot of money, which is going to be a budget thing, which I don't know how much is going to be. So IT still has the project. They're going to come up with ways to see what would be the best thing. If we're using a third party, what would be the best thing to do? If we were to do the in-house like if everyone had an identification number, like you said, we would still need to send the emails out to everyone like, hey, this is your number, don't forget your number, which is going to be a lot. As I'm cleaning out the wait list, more people are having. Right? So I'm cleaning out, we currently have 498 people. Last meeting we have 494 but that's also because some people are getting off because some contacted people, a lot of people have moved on to know all the interest is etc. There's a lot of people to go through. So question. So with the how long is the intern going to be? Not too, maybe a little more than that. I mean what is does it seem like? It seems like, you know, I know you guys have interns, and then you had the person who was on rotation for a while, and then I knew because you had mentioned that another intern was coming in, and yeah, I wonder. So, I don't even want comic-book, yeah. Yeah, I wonder. So. So we want comic book. Yeah, so with the intern, they coming for only select a month of time, right? Yeah, which is temporary. Every time I hit on curves, that means I have to take time off to try and get it. Yeah. If we have like a full time having person or part time, whatever, very no much going on. So we're not repeating the cycle every few months. Like we had an intense summer. He was amazing. He was awesome. He held me up with a lot. But then someone else is going to come in that I'm going to have to take time off to train based on what I need. With it, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, 100%. You're going to be in turn, and you're not going to get actually anything on them. I'm thinking like in, I guess one question is, I don't know how you guys like put these requests into your budget. Like do you have like, have you requested admin? And some of this is just, I don't know. I was thinking of, do you know? It's not until next year we can request. I would choose the budget stuff split in New Year's July. Cause I like that. That'll totally, that'll really make sense to me. I'm just wondering if it had been interned like with, I know all of the, like, projects are going to work on, thinking about the fact that like, not whether I wanted to give you anything with the dashboard, but if you have them, like think about a trade off, it's like, okay, maybe there's this like whole project, but also like you can't get done with you to get done. And some of it, especially if it's like volume of just getting through so many people right now. Even if you could just, if you could just use them to do, to like just take the, and drop some of the really easy things that you spend a lot of time trading on, that might be, it might be worth like trading, often trading that off, which I know is not a long term solution to the problem, but just to like, sometimes just need to like get a couple of months without losing your mind. Which, so it sounds like, right, where I have been there. I know, just like, like, people say, we were to do that whole expression thing. That's just going to increase the amount of people calling. Yeah, because it's really the same time she like that. I think that it's essentially you're still kind of relying on Excel essentially which I think is just a bad. So is there like a higher version of sugar that says to me already have that yeah so we're pretty rich out we were apparently at least that he didn't give me the monitor all he said to me is going to be very expensive because the license that we currently have does not allow us to do what we're trying to do. And then each of us in the office there, we have five licenses. You can't just upgrade one. You have to do all on. So you can't just be like, okay, one person has access to him to do all these things. You can't do it that way. You have to upgrade everything. So are there other things in that next level of license that would use your life at all these years? Like with that VGNIS phone? I think we were just focusing on what is it we were trying to do? Yeah, I know this has been a thing that we've been discussing for a while now. Like I said, it's still not going to answer the question if we're asking, but to give some sort of communication. I do still also live in insight because I said this like a whole project because they don't have the resources in house to do other requests. So they have to see what, we have. So it's still on the one project. I just want to give you an update of where we currently are. And just, you know, they're having something that gave you more. I mean, there's obviously, there are pieces of like calling people and helping them to like that is not going to be solved by a database. But maybe there are some things that could be helped with like a better data management system. I mean, I know like, I don't know. You know, just thinking about like in terms of budget. So they probably are really also involved in it, working with like, Justin Reales, and as I threw up as IT and through the time. That's because we're the money person. So he's working and we're trying to figure out and once I have more information in regards to what is it determined to be best? You know, I would definitely share. Yeah. So I want to have two quick opinions. One is, I think it's worth finding out what their extensive means. Yeah. Yeah. But the other is, I understand that this has been something that everybody's been asking about and suggesting for a while. But if what we're able to do is just tell them which priority they're on and isn't really going to answer their questions and you are swamped and ready to pull your hair out. Now might not be the time to take this on. That's actually a really good point especially if people really know where you are on the list like doesn't tell you anything. People are just going gonna say, follow me by all the way. Yeah, that's right. So yeah, I know people call me in that I'm priority month. That's actually a good point. Like maybe you don't want. Because the question I get back to most is, how long I need to use it by jangering. Can you give me an hour? I was gonna say, there's no way I can tell someone how long. Because like I always say, if I say to you priority two and you number 10 on the list. And you know, everyone that comes in after you lives in and works for the city, now they have a higher ranking thing and you do it that cancels you out and pushes you down. If 20 people comes on priority one, that pushes you even further down. I almost think you're better off finding a way because I know you said somebody else does mask emails that we can't do that in house. Yeah so I was saying it flags something we don't have. So would it be expensive to work with someone to have them send up like once a month or once every other month you have a four email that you just send to everyone that says hey you're still on the list I don't know how long it'll be. Let me know if you're no longer interested in a mask. Yeah, we can't do that. We would have to do a third party. So, what would that cost? That's, I think that's what you said. Like that might be that lower cost. Yeah. I think the motivation. Yeah. Well, we can use, I guess, you know, the price wouldn't be best. So I was just thinking I was like, maybe if there was an FAQ, you could direct someone to you so that you could just be like, we have this question. It is all the information is there. You have explained all of people's very agents and they can just go to that. Which is an idea that some nice people still reach. Don't read that. Yeah, so I didn't reach people's on. So I liked if you had an email that was going to people like everyone and basically said like here are some comments you know like what here's your list. There's a lot of other stuff. Yeah, I do. Um, and what's Jens um and and that every three months like lots of quarter. Yeah, yeah. So like that would maybe cut down on people asking like am I some of the list? Mm hmm. It's not going to cut back on how long but you can't answer that. Yeah. Personal or group. I like that description. Yeah. I was going to say so despite any feeling lots of people that can people and share it with you that like people want to know where they're on the list. We have never had 99 units come online. Yes. We know that's like really that's probably five or six. We're going to happen again in Europe. So we understand right now that's because it's long period trying to get people into you that's just really great. So I would say whatever else you have, it's lower priority. Can just wait a little while. It's not get through because there's no sense in trying to push the cows and the... Yeah, we're analogies. Yeah, and try to take on too much at the same time. Yeah, knowing that... much the same time. Yeah. No, no. And Kaylee, go back to the admin thing. Are you considering sharing an admin with any of the other city offices? No, no. No. No. No. It's just going to be. All right. Yeah, we just were asked. What I think was not just how's it like human service as well. Like, that's it. It's also like paperwork and she definitely has to can benefit from having a job. I'm just saying, if you're trying to get an admin, sometimes it's easier to get up 0.5 employee than a full time employee just in terms of getting it through city council and things like that. So the proposal, just to sort of take the edge off of all of the workload of a half a person as opposed to a full-time person. So a full-time person is going to be a real challenge. But I think we can probably get a full time. It's just a matter of time. I mean, the budget cycle. You think that's probably where we are. A lot of it is just like managing the volume of calls and walkings, right? If we have six things you wanna take care of in the deck and then we start getting into the rush of walkings, could free the end, then there goes our schedule for what we wanna be done in that circle. So that's a lot of what it is. And we've had our intern and our admin, Tim Badman over the last few months. And that was like excellent. We could just like focus in and knock out a couple of things. That's a lot of what it is. It's just managing that volume so we can kind of like be freed up. And then again, that works for our human services angle, same deal over there. She's got a lot of clients she has to work through, it throws everything off, you have to stop working and have 15-minute conversation with somebody. Which is fine, we're here for that, but like, you know, know can do both. Is there and we can go after this because I'm sure that this bird is all through a lot of these things. Does the city ever leverage 10 agencies to fill things like if you're having because I'm just thinking and I know this is I know this is not all the long-term problem but if you can't even put in a bugger request until like, and then you have to see what you've come out with and everything like that, if there's, if you think, oh, I can use someone's help or this thing for this amount of time over three months or something like that, I don't know if that's something that the city ever does to push through when there's a spike of work and one particular thing that you can't, I don't know, you follow what I'm saying. I imagine that's also a difficult thing because you already have to budget set, but that was just something that's potentially a more flexible or less. In general, one thing that council councils pushed on is process efficiency, because we know when we look across the city, some departments are still doing manual time cards. Well, maybe it's all departments are using manual time cards. And so at some point, you just can't keep throwing more bodies at the work. And you need to figure out how to actually use some technology to streamline things and make it more efficient. I think Parvading is one of those areas where there's a pyramid that can be able to paper-based processes. And so maybe once we get through the 99 units and get it on set, like the waitlist process is one that we could look at using technology to improve rather than throw a body at it. Like I'm generally a fan of work smarter enough. So to all of this next and then phones row to I'm not even then last week and the projected time would be a full next year. So we have a little reader. Pretty good. Let's see a bow and April. See that man. Let's see a bow and April. Yeah. Okay. So that's hopeful time. So. So. But I'm sorry to go on a steep little rant. But so for my final one, which is a good thing, our CCA News. We received, I just want to get this out because I know this was all a support from housing commission in city council. We have received all of our units ourselves, right? We have received so much responses like thank you. I had a client or a final one yesterday. Not yesterday today. He came in today to sign his contract and he couldn't think of something else. He was so grateful. And most of them, what will the priority want? So those are seniors who were in the city, very limited budget, we had 3040, most of them were 30% and 40% AMI. We had one person from priority two, that was a 50% AMI in a two-bedroom. And just want everyone to know how appreciative and how so much of a blessing this program has been, we've also been able to expand it and in units we have these 12 and even better another reason why I bought this up today is we have designated 150 thousand dollars for a year for the program. We are currently approximating very close to 100,000. So the reason I'm bringing this up is if we think of the lowest that we pay is $317 a month and the mass that we pay is like $1187 for the units. So like a average of like $600, a little over $600. And with the extra money, I am requesting to consider that possibly, if we think of like, even with the maximum that we're paying, we could still like, three more units that would get us even below that extra 50,000, for what I would do because the latest money that we had. And if we had three at the maximum, that would be of $43,000. And we would still be below the allocated 150. There's nothing has to change. We're not asking for more money. We already have the money. But when we were budgeting, I was also protecting. but we have been able to get very good rates. We have units in different places in the cities, not more so than new buildings because parents of course they So we have different places in the city of at Marra House. We have a winter hill But just different places in the city where the rates are not as high because we projected to estimate the highest we can to make sure that we were able to get. So since we have all 12, my request is possible since we have those extra funds that is already there for the program to at least consider based on, of course, if we don't get someone qualified on the based on, but if we think you know, pain and maximum, which we pay, which is 1187, I would bring us about the one 15. The exact figure right now is actually 97.4, 52. So that's just the 100. That's something for you all to consider. And if you all agree, you guys can, maybe, solve my question is what do you need from us I just need to ask her in a minute. The agreement was 12 units. And we have the 12 units, but we're under the elevated amount. So if possible, we could add. If we add a unit and then next year the amount we had to pay for the units or more and we couldn't let's have you add three units. And then we have to pay for them as more and we can't afford 15 units in the 150K. Do we have natural attrition every year? So we wouldn't be kicking someone out to stay within budget. So I know we have a three-year, what was the name, do I call it 20 and can you remember? Like a three-year question. Yeah. So I think in this last budget funded the program for three years, knowing that we would might have that risk in the white need. Yeah. More money, one person. And that satisfied, not included the 150 we get, still get every year. Is this the first of us in now three years? Yeah, it's also the first time. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so we do have a question. Yeah. And also, A to U, just, I mean, a CCA view, just like A to U, they also get an increase every year. Based on, you know, the regenerative and that increase already. So we have them because most of the people who are already in there, the ones that are going in, I am, and also we present along the least terms so that we're not thinking of our renewal every year. So a lot of people that are already in house. So when it's time for them to release renewal, I'm going to negotiate for us to have, you know, like along the least terms as well, in the rates. And with the places that we have, thinking of increases there, I'm not too too worried. I feel like 3 to 5%. Yes. They don't really get that huge increase. And that was one thing I was considering as well when we were getting people qualified and, you know, I'm going to the places where we better miss certain times of $100. We're not doing that. We needed to. It was like a pretty big percentage of our wait list was 50% of the below AMI. It's helped me that needs. And there are a lot of people who leave in that I'm getting called by now for they use the income to know that would benefit from the CCP. We can't help everyone, but we already have the funds. So if we just request, I think the agreement was 12 to this. Would it just be us that we need to approve that or not? I think we can ask Council question because there's a Council resolution to increase the 12 to each, right? We need to. So you might have to figure back the Council. So I'm keeping my head open on it, but you might want to let us know that, So my answer is to get back to the council. So to people I've been wondering, but like, you might want to let us know that like, hey, we've only spent 150. We think we can't done three more units. We feel pretty good, even with the renewal race. Right. The cushion that we built into the program, like, put everything you said in a way. If you choose that, you should be able to have a letter to our court to that. And I think that even three units sounds like it's being conservative. If you're assuming all came out of the max, yeah, it is right now that's basically what we've been paying. The max that we paid out was $1,87, and the lowest is $0,70. Yeah. And I think it probably would be good to try to add but still be conservative just so and see like what happens next yeah just kind of see what still has a question for what happens here. I would be like either a hub two or like and approximately that way it's not like hard like because in the council resolution it says 12 units. We need to say a fraction of 12 units. Right maybe they're approximately 15 and that way if the first two or three that you sign on for all closer to four than 11, you couldn't do another one. You can do a fourth. I just want to get you guys feedback and see if the two of you said something. If you said something that you write up to me, I can just, I can, like, we've done longer subsipment. Right, we're not gonna just write something in the box. We can do that between now and next. If we don't go, we don't have time. If we don't have to vote on it. Because I guess if we're not asking for more, we're just, yeah. All right, the method for me is hard to solve. I don't know. So I know we have people in here to present. And I know we have two other big items here. You want to go with these guys and then do you get? Okay. Yeah. So I think we will go ahead and let you guys present. And then we'll come back to our updates. So we don't keep you guys here until. Really? Because we will probably talk about the other ones for. Yeah, I should be a lot of team to share with screen to do a last-term visit. Anybody do that? Yeah, I think. You know, well, if you want, would you like a stop set of the table or have maybe just put your options? We can just move up there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not a color over here. I can. Yeah. Yeah. And while I'm getting them and projects of the screen, the other issues are probably good. They need to be just. And then Christine Bobpins and one of the co-founders of Watley Falls Church. I'm Rachel Sundan and I help with the Welfare and the Falls Church with supporting the incoming refugee families that welcome you to the city of support us. I'm Allison Brown, welcome to the Falls church and I'm on more than 14 from the first refugee family, welcome in false church. I'm Kevin Erickson, I'm. I'm good. You gotta go. You gotta go sign on. Okay. Okay, I have a moment of motion and I just bit up pleasure to come to you all the past. So the work of our administration is now for your running. So we launched all festival two years ago. We came and reported into those we run a commission on your own. So, temper we're back again in front of the update about the initiative where we are. And we're at an inflection point in the program, so we appreciate your time today. Now I'm curious out and talking a bit. You know, I'm showing that I'm sharing the screen, but I don't see how it here is. Okay. Great. Now, so early, and this is for those of you who are on the commission in the past and incurred, or this would be a bit of a recap, I'll go quickly. But for those of you who are new, please feel free to write if you have any questions. You know, so we started two years ago. At that point, the average crisis to the open Afghanistan, where are some of the mechanisms for will weaken overwhelmed. So to do something locally to help say our families settle in the city, that was important, very meaningful at that moment. We found that it was a lot of work, you know, of support teams that we've structured. Each family has a support team. Different from a surround effort for the support teams. Initially we thought the support teams should be four or five people. We've learned over time that the numbers best set at eight to ten. We'll talk more about how we've gone tier hours or this program at a site. But along the way, not only through the city's support, but also through private donations. We've raised $46,000 in private financial support so far, most recently, the top of our show loan contributed $5,000 to the initiative in August plus $20,000 in kind support of different source. A valetary hours, over 4,000 hours in programs so far. It's really been extraordinary. That is through a lot of both individuals coming forward, but also groups and with wonderful as seen, whether it's Tableau or Solon or the city of schools, Mary and I, Mary and High School, there are kids who started a welcoming walked away, all shirt cloth that volunteers and employees, boys and girls, girls and spouses, really been, really neat. But, you know, we, like you, as you all are so focused on affordable housing issues, we all have a problem here. For the positive huge issues, we look at the structure of the sustainable program. Yeah, I'm sorry, and I haven't had the presentation before, so maybe this soon, everybody knows this. Are these SID refugees primarily? So give it exclusively. It doesn't have to be so as far as the correctness is wrong, but it was over to anybody who comes in through the refugee process. All the families that we've helped so far have been Afghans coming on S.I.B. But that's just because that's pretty much who's coming through the pipeline. Go to. Thanks. And those are the families. There's five families so far on each of the families has three children. You know, 13 of the kids, you know, are at schools and FCCPS. You know, and we can report, you know, the good news. The American dream is a lot in wealth. You know, we see we see progression in the way that families are experiencing life and all kinds of passion. So employment progression with the first job, the second job. One of the adults has a middle-level job in the DC government. There's a role position for future growth on two or an aspect training programs. Full scholarships, one of our volunteers, Michelle Perfect, a post-alcohol program and talk them into operating scholarships. So three of the families are really well positioned. Kevin will talk in a moment about how we're watching incomes develop in more detail. So there's texture to it, but generally, the nerd and dreem is live a well-children or thriving. It's just wonderful. It's wonderful to watch, but get the cost housing. But we come to you today with now now, if you want to question. So, when you say all families employment has progressed and then you mentioned, like presumably adults, like an adult from each three families. So I'm just wondering about the other two. There are five families and there's sort of three job profiles mentioned here. What's sort of the story with the other one? Other two? Who you all want to talk about the four things. Well, I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know. Yeah, for sure. I think the fourth family is, you know, the fellow started out driving with, who reached, and now working as administrator and an immigration law firm, there's a lawyer by training. And so he's not necessarily able to practice in the US context, nor is that in your term, or put his professional environment. However, that position doesn't, there's not the natural next step as we look at it where that progresses. The other situation, the very hardworking, youngest of the families, youngest kids, his English is quite good, but his wife his very woman in literacy. So that's the most difficult situation. And he's working at Trader Joe's, also driving on the reach and driving with. And so making it work, but just based on where that family is, or her path. Thank you. I think that just, as you mentioned, call out the other ones and talking about how the employment has progressed for the one, I think it would just probably be helpful to get a sense of what's the spectrum. Yeah, it won't talk in detail. We've had a commission fantastic analysis about the income progression, and then how we would look at the patterns that are in the region. Yeah, with good question. And just before you leave this slide, I will point out, my wife is a reading specialist at Mount Daniel, which is the sponsor school. And she has a few, again, children. And she does say they are threatening. So just to validate that bullet on that slide, they are motivated and they are working hard for learning English at an incredible clip. So, well, and then there are the 16-year-old and who's a junior at MHS, who's doing that in Newport? There we go. Yeah, it's really, it's really. Yeah, but, you know, the usual premise of our work with the city is a public private partnership, you know, was that this is a pilot program, five families, I'll see what happens if the city was pretty generous and the money and council's support, thank you very much again. That city earned $50,000 mark points to the program that says C-Mine to the fund that provides housing support. So we now exhausted that fund, we're thinking about the next chat probably progress of structure of the program changes. So that's where we are. So in some discussions with some stakeholders, we had some feedback that it might be useful to look at how the structure of the program is involved, because we've learned a lot as we've gone. What have we learned, how has the program developed? Initially, we were looking at 18 months of red subsidies. So at successive levels of 40, 50, and 60 percent AMI. So after federal refugee resettlement funding was exhausted, which is supposed to be three months, but there's all kinds of variability in that. That would take us to theoretical 21 months of funding in the program. We, upon reflection in this family settled, you know, we decided to extend that 18 months to offer families of full support through the second year of their residents, you're why? Because if they're going to renew a lease, they need to be certain of the rep levels during the full second year. That actually ended up not being as much of a stretch as we imagined because we've also working for settlement agencies. You know we've been able to advocate on behalf of families to stretch the federal and some state program lines further. So first principle is you know we make help families make full use of different programs or something called match grant for example. It's an employment-related program. And if it advised, well, there's actually some flexibility in terms of how the resettlement agencies would support an individual's family. And we can help stretch that one. Next, we also added, we wanted to make sure the support teams felt all supported. And then members of the support team didn't feel like they had to be out of pocket for things like a registered kid for soccer or the soccer player, so what happened? Or a moderate, a small carburetor. Different, different items that, you know, sometimes people would feel obligated to cover. So each support team is budgeted $75 per month to use for discussionary items. That's really the first line of defense for some kind of number can see. Think about it, something comes up. Just a question about that since I know like thinking about small car repair or registering for soccer. And I know both of those would be over $75. And especially if they're like doing it with multiple kids. So I'm just wondering if that has sort of solved the issue of people feeling pressure for discretionary spending or if that is just twisted like diesel. I don't know if they're interested. I've got the same thing but actually the teams have not fully utilized that over time. So money is building up balances each team has a balance. Now that's a good thing because things will happen and do happen. So we want to see their be a balance. But it's turned out that soccer, for example, in Barça and Rack has, they will reduce fees based on family income. Now, we have to help the families apply for that. So this is the fourth house. It's your time. Now I just said that we haven't told the families, don't know how much money is there, they know that they can go out of the team leaders and sometimes get some money for certain things. So I know for hopefully that I'm watching this meeting. But for Rachel and I are helping the second family and, you know, we've tried to take the, so basically the families are assuming that they're going to pay for everything, that's their, their assumption. But, you know, we, we, when we, when we talk with the second family, you know, we try to find out if there are any needs that are going to enable them to progress or that are helping safety related. Do they need a new car seat? Do they need language lessons? You know, things that go sort of over and beyond every day, living that are going to be important for them and the great friends for you. Yeah. And a final development we created a formal emergency funds backstop for all the families. You know, it's only first for funded. We don't have not built a large balance, but we do have a pledge from a very generous number of community that if we ever have an issue, you know, to call him. And based on his defense, I don't know the program already. So we feel like we have a mechanism in place that someone uses job or shape. Okay, so, you know, as you look ahead, we like to do some things with the design of the program to make this long-term sustainable and to help families thrive. But really this was a very innovative public private partnership. There's not only anything exactly comparable to this going on nationwide that we know of. Our program is certain features of things that are happening that are happening. They're having a Pittsburgh, Oklahoma, the city, those are the two best models you've seen, but we're doing something for local law, but it's quite innovative. And we'd like to make it really exploits in the way it works. One of the things that we recommend is that we in the second year, based on the way the incoagration works, and we'll talk about that a bit. We'd recommend that we not step up from the 50 to 60% AMI level. Some families are progressing at that level, but during the second year, notice we look at, for example, people on an ESPEC training program. The improved. In addition. Sorry, is this the spot where you talk about that the extensive actually increase iron than the salvage? That's the difference. Give it a graph. Yeah, so in addition, you know, we think upon reflection, again, watching by intervention and wanting to position as many families as possible to stay. You know, we think that three years is a better duration for the program than to, which we look to think about, like the new program out through through a year. And from talking to other programs that support people, three to five years is what they say. They were like, you can't do it. So, you know, just looking at other types of programs that support people. Home stretch was moving. Yeah. And we also have a policy idea that we shared a couple of you all about a potential property tax credit structure, realizing supply of affordable housing is such a difficult nut to crack in the city. And this may have been something that's been discussed in apologies, because we're not, we're late people, it's putting them all together. But having said that, is there a way to encourage owners to offer their residences into this kind of program, to do this program or another affordable housing structure. And often, a property tax rebate smooths the mechanism for profit tax rebate if they use it. We had a very active interest in the part of one town also in the city that he thought in some detail about this. And we approached Kaylene and Kelly's and wonderful helping friend to really grateful to the way that we work for the city. What did, you know, how does this work? Maybe there's through some policy work. This could be a mechanism that might bring some number of that. So a large number, but some number of additional residences in the four lives of production. So I don't know if this has been thought through, but the city is sort of grappling with this accessory dwelling as a program. And I'm wondering if there's a way to incorporate that these incentives into the accessory dwelling sort of legislation that's going to be thought through, you know, that perhaps accessory dwellings are going to be increase your assessed value, but perhaps if it's offered up through, you know, up for up to this program, you could maintain a lower assessed value or something like that on a temporary basis. Yeah, you know, so I think there are that type of unit is probably pretty ideal for, you know, these types of families, you know, these families, and it might be what's thinking through. Yeah. Well, if all of that's three kids, I think that's probably the way hard to fit in Emma. That's well done. 1500 square feet. Think you can turn the... Yeah, if it's up to the generous refugees then maybe I just don't know what the lot sizes will. I guess that seems like something that would be really interesting, but probably given how complicated it's going to be to come up with a plan that people agree about, I'm guessing that would need to be something that was too specific for any sort of like legislation about it. It'd be something that you could sort of think about after that. That's fine. I just think. something that you could sort of think about after that. That's that's not in understanding. Yeah, it's also good to be able to say what we would like this program to be designed in a way that what you know 10 years from now you know we are our successors sitting around and and it's been running for personally time and in that sense the idea of three children that was something that has been part of our niche initial pilot phase. But you know, we could consider other others. That's something that's been a big issue for us because the supply of affordable housing in the city, as long as it is, is even lower if you have three kids. So maybe that's something to revisit. All right. So let's talk about what that would mean. You know, so let's talk about what that would mean. You know, so. Yeah, that's seen. Well, you had those. So, what are your suggestions was to extend to a third year of at least five families in each other about how much per year would that be? Yeah. So, if I could go back to it in one slide. Yeah, absolutely. These are on the board of the question of an answer to me. And so it would be a good approach to that. So what we'd like to consider, an additional city funding support this change in the year two structure not going to the 60% AMI level and extending out to a third year. We have been successful with private donations. We've looked away that the city's support has catalyzed that. And there's a number of different destinations for ongoing private funding as well. So movement expenses, discretionary fund, operating expenditures broadly defined plus emergency fund, bill emergency fund to a real level. And by their federal funds being applied at all to support national floor families. So right now, the federal funds are initially provided in the form of the $1,025 per person that's on several by how much, with $1,025 per newly arrived refugee for adult retire, whatever they want to use it on. That's channeled to security deposit and rent. Oh, I see. That usually does not pass through, it does not transit the family that's directly through a satellite agency to see. And then this is moving expenses. This is on our Waterloo False Church budget that we separately manage. So that's on top of that picture money. That's correct. And that's where we, a lot of furniture is also good. You know, we, we have community, we have duration drives, law kinds. But there's some things on specifically bedding. Bedding all needs to be new. So I think when I look at this and sort of thinking about the kind of natural $50,000 for the funds, the city that the city said and then I think sink raised $46,000 of private funds. So that sort of like a you, seems like 50, 50 kind of split. And then looking at this, if, if, and maybe that I don't understand, like, exactly how this is set up, and private donations are covering those things, like, that's a lot less than, I mean, no, that adds up. But if you're talking about rent given the housing prices around here, and at that low, those low AMI levels, that's like a much, much more towards city funding versus private donations. So is there, is Divea that people, you know, wanted to sort of donate to start but don't really want to do recurring donations or is there, is have there not been, I think when we talked like a month ago, I was saying there isn't a lot of like active fundraising. It's more than people kind of coming to the program. I just think that having, I think a proposal like this would be probably, like more compelling if it sort of showed that balance has something more sustainable in terms of like we're balancing this with like a lot of private with private funding and that's kind of part of the value proposition of it. So I guess I wonder if that's like what the split like when you sort of calculate it out is and then let's what are the, we got, yeah. Let's go to the next slide again to the Brennan's question to you, yes. So, yeah, we looked at, as we looked at what the impact is of these structural changes. So this is, they're changing this point of mechanism in the second year and also adding a third year. And we also like to welcome a sixth family. We consider two different ways of budgeting. One would be to continue the fixed subsidy level to each family, fairness on the basis of each family gets a budgeted subsidy level. Alternatively, we considered in killing and we talked in detail about how it means testing work as we looked at the third year. We would recommend having to go to fixed subsidy approach for a number of different reasons. And we batted that around two, three, four months ago in a lot of detail. What we recommend based on our normal operations to go with fixed subsidy. We also would hope that we could consider sixth family because we'd like to continue to mobilize about tier support. The fun out of the new arrival, the new bit is fantastic one. So it's mobilizing the community resources. If we were the upper right, you see the budget impact is $120,000. Now, that includes the op-ex, that pretty extensively described the moment of the impact in terms of rent, it talks about $100,000. In our case, there were a lot of different assumptions where making assumptions related to reds inflation, and families' behaviors and all that. But for the base case, if we break that down, we bought a hundred thousand dollars a year, and we're about twenty thousand dollars of other costs. Indeed, if you look front to back 2022 to 2028, six family scenario, OpEx is about 13% net, 87% right? No way involved in this program is paid, all volunteers know what I'm that's about how it breaks down. So this is it and this is an annual cost, is that? That would that be be the doubt for the families for the rate of their 3%. Including a new family who would arrive in our first quarter of the next year. Would the amount be based on how many kids are in the family? Good question. So we're the family. There's a far as you have three kids, and our subject would be the sixth family does too. So, it's not structured to do so at the, in our base case model. And we're also just not equipped to take large families, in as it is program, And there's zero house for them because of the regulations on, well, the quasi-official unofficial regulations on how many children you can put in the bedroom. Then maybe you just can't. So we would move towards even two kids versus three kids will win the question. So now on, be great to talk in a little more detail. What's going on with the families and affordability? And up for that. I don't know if someone else is. All right. Well, so before we jump to the slide, this overview is basically we've got five families and what we've observed is Basically three different income trajectories. So that's to show you those three different calling A B and C and There's one family on the first trajectory three families in the mid-range trajectory and then one family on it. There's a high median at a lot of estimates, one it amounts to. So this is the first one, and there's a lot of information on here. But in terms of the extracts, the last side is the arrival point. And the right side is the end of the woodland in the third year program. So some of this is based on historical data because all of our families have been here in the city between nine and 21 months. So they all fall and you can see at the bottom chose how long since it's a while. So all the families are between nine and 21 and this is just basically providing an approximation as best we can put together. Now the darker blue at the bottom is represents the their income. Then you see if you look on the left hand side when they first arrive there's the federal funding that we mentioned the 1025 per, and then there's also a match program which lasts for three to six months usually. And then above that is the SNAP funding. And the Medicare, the purple is Medicare benefit, and then the green at the top is welcoming false church rent subsidy. So the combination of those is what's necessary to cover all of their expenses. So one thing you notice is, did you have a question? So where does the, like, since you said all the families have been here between nine and 21 months, so where does the projection on this start? Well, so it depends on where, you know, it's gonna be different for each family, right? So in this case, it's some, the family is somewhere in the middle. They want to provide too much detail because then it becomes a privacy issue. So just imagine that the family is somewhere in the middle. Yeah, I don't understand this. But why does it jump up between nine and 12 months? So the high track is basically, that's a good question. And you'll notice in all three of these charts that basically the career progression, the employment progression starts very low and that's where they're driving for lifts and Uber Eats. Then they get another job, which is usually a retail job at UPS, trader Joe's, something that's work. And then the third bump up is when they get more sustainable employment. So in this case, this is the high case. They got a very good job and so they got a very significant pay raise at about the one year point. Interesting. Yeah. So this is the best case out of the five. And three families are in this sort of mid range. So again, they start low. Start coming in a row. One second. So I'm going to say on the last one, and on and this one around two and a half years, you start to show some income for spouse too. Is the idea that the prediction is by that point, the least efficient we stabilize English will be good enough. Kids will be sufficiently settled, it's spouse too will be able to bring in some. Is that face, is that sort of an assumption based on like watching the families or is there? Okay. Yes. They're actively working towards that goal. So there two of the spaces are taking classes to either improve English or other skills. I would say all the families, at least for the families are looking for opportunities. Rachel has been. Yeah, I mean, another factor, that factor. Everything you said is correct, but what also factors into it is they all arrived with not all of their kids, old enough to be in school. Yeah. And so by the end of two and a half years, they will have kids in full time school, which would open up jobs because they look at it now. And they're like, even if the kind of job I could get, I would spend more in child care after school. That is like the big number one stopper of the second spouse. These are actual for 39 months, right? Or is these projected? Projection, because they haven't finished them. So I guess that could, that could, that might be something that would make these like a little bit easier. Because I think my first thought was like, wait, like where does this turn from like, but if some of it is also you're kind of soothing things over so that there's not too much like disclosure of personal information, but also I don't think I fully understood like where you were moving into projections and they have a lot of help. It's hard because there is this this particular graphic represents three different families and they're at different points in the progression. Yeah. So it's hard to, you know, so I could draw a line down the middle and say this is approximately everything to the left. That might be helpful. Just as an indication about this one, but basically historical data on the left-hand side projected on the right. I agree that we need to have some graphic graphical indication. But one of the things you'll see too is like, as there are incoming, they hit a point, almost we've seen this with a couple families. They hit a point where they get a new job. That's great. Their income is less, but they're in fact, it's gone because they lose all their money. Medicaid, they lose everything. So they kind of go up to go down. They're going to be like this. And that's what we're facing with a lot of the families that are coming up on year three. They're doing well on paper, but their expenses, they actually have less money. And that's shown here. And you see that in the later support role and the blue got the light blue and all money. It is. So I see that like I don't know if it's hit that 31, 30 month point yet, but there's an assumption of a pretty decent income jumped. I've not hit that yet. There. So what's the basis for the assumption that's not, that's gonna go, is this, okay. Two of these families are in the HEC trading program and are working for Christian and Whitefield as a building tech and that company does have a good halfway for career progression. So that is there's good reason to believe that sometimes the next 12 months they will I didn't see the thing. Okay, yeah. Combination of that plus and we've planned this on there. Your question, when we talked to you really about year three, what's going on year three, really thought of that. You know, four of the five families, spouses would like to see employment. If both we see income progression amongst the principal major inel, and also the other expel, you know, starts work during the third year, that makes it a good one. Combine it in fact. That's, and that's so that, because that's the first point of the year of three strategy, really. We have one family on this low trajectory, which I think this particular family is already making plans to leave the city for not just because of income but also because there's extended family coming in. It was a very normal prospect of the past employment, so for a number of reasons, they are probably going out of our program, but the other four definitely want to stay. Making a lot of steps. But we can see that the importance of the third year funding to get them to that point where they have the opportunity for both the income progression and the second is fast. Looking ahead. Yeah, so I mean the main two things for folks out for year three, it is employment in the past. Of course. And so these are things. The support teams are working on. We're pursuing all the available options for affordable housing. Good meeting with Kaylee. And last week, I really appreciated your input in the plan. And when they fall on the priority list? So they would be priority too because they're in the city. The only issue that we come up against is the household size. Because a lot of the properties they do match too. All of that actually today when we did the walk through Bayer and our willing to do two plus one. So that was great today. I'll put back some mention that. I'll send you an email so that could also be a possible option for them because they would be okay with having five people in a two bed. Because I have two. That's a huge game. That's a huge game, John. Yeah. That's probably my- No, that's the new at the West Falls. The West Falls? Yeah. It's going to be called the Elder. Is the property? Yes. So there will be a open. So that's what we're speaking of earlier. They're hopeful their first phase will start and they know them. But they do have to get a certificate of occupancies before it could start, you know, reaching out to clients. So, you know, as we've discussed, so that could be a possibility. On this side, also, there's the four little ownership globally on, you know, for the first, you know, there's a trajectory A, and it's a test potential path. I actually have a question. We're talking about A to use. Are they also all on the wait list before the state A needs to be? So are they are, is that being, are they like looking into the four level ownership programmers? That's something that's sort of like, oh, let's look into this like once we're sort of at a better silver one. We're here, which is, but when, you know, looking at the, what the, ugly payment would be, I mean, frankly, it was very negative. He's like, okay, I'll do all the forms and talk him one officer, but, you know, I mean, he has a, you know, his own budget mind. So the number that maybe sounds good at table, he's just not comfortable with. Yeah, you know, that the one that's available to the free bedroom also has a 2033 dollar on age of eight feet. So like once you put that into the monthly career, like that, you know, wouldn't know. Wouldn't know. Wouldn't know. You don't know. You don't. And they don't swim. They have to ask them what was on screen they don't swim. So I want to do is talk somebody into a more decent video. Right. So yeah, starting it because, you know, it's kind of like, well, you don't actually know the number till you go through the end of it. Right. So it's like, you can't tell them about Monday and what the, what the monthly thing would be, but he's very sensitive and really, you know, I don't know. I look at the numbers, I think it will be, I think we'll be required a monthly housing, $9.9 or $3,400, I don't know if that's available. So, I mean, unless there's some, you know, unless I, you know, I don't know exactly how the subsidy works out, So we're going to take a look at the market interest rate and I took a point off. So I don't know if I did everything right. And then moments that's a lot of, but that's when we discussed. I went up to one, that's a five point. What was that lower? Yeah, but by the time, like you said, you had the H away and you had insurance and taxes. I mean, as a friend, there was a lot of work to do. But it is that high. It's a big thing. And I think so. We've seen with the townhouse, the condo style, the most condo style. Is that like, because of that condo fee it kicks it up into a higher like income rackage and you would have just given it to kind of expect stuff. We even have additional subsidy that we put on those large units and it still makes it harder to kind of really create this. So when you say additional subsidies that figured into the like the website says 480 you know depending on eligibility so then you know yes we will help you just a visit well depends on the eligibility I'm really sure that you should maybe email will go through the numbers work for okay I'll let you know exactly what you think so I'm sure've asked that. Sorry, Mrs. D. Dating from the general presentation. Is the city roast with winter hell willingness to wait for lower time of the years as part of our program? We have not asked that. And I, this is this is different than the wind, winter, fall, sure foster chasm, population that we deal with. It's, it's, these are private entities. It's at the moment, association. I don't know. I wonder if it works. I don't know if it's done like, puts an asterisk on that family and makes them feel different. Anybody would know or if it's. I don't know worst cases. They tell you now. Sure. Yeah, I know you have enough on your two-guests. It's not like I should be here. I hear you. There's no way anyone's gonna say, we're just gonna expect less money from this one house. Good, I would have to be able to have a fair conversation, right? And that's a different answer to that. I was gonna cover that, right? I got it. Maybe a different answer to that. I'll see how that went. Main with Barbarian taxes. Again, it's a whole line of investigation that the city would have to do. It's just simply a season. We've done it for that scale. Well, before we leave this, just real quick, on the last point here, we've been talking to, and this may be something we would come back to you about later, but we've been talking about church press, particularly in church by the home that they own on broad street and potentially partnering with the church for redevelopment of that property, especially connected to one of the city's affordable options schemes. And that's the kind of thing we'd love as we think about the supply piece of this. Are there even if it's, you know, if we look at the scale of our program, what we would hope to do, even a few partnerships, and to actually be just fantastic. Let's go on. And that's something that the city is always interested in encouraging me. If you have contacts and you would like to see foreign conversations. Oh, shoot. That ballroom versus board is being tonight. Yeah. Right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And then this is just our own, again, laypersons, you know, thinking about this property tax credit idea, you know, which, you know, expertise in the room goes far beyond what we can mobilize, but you wonder if that's, and this is something that would be actual. It is raised with the city management after our discussion with Debbie. He's developed it's new. That's right. Yeah and we know this would be something that if the city did this, this would go this would extend to anyone you know anyone that city wishes. You know but on our part we would love to tell to tell the story about how you go home or a town else or you could participate in a program by potentially offering a little more grace. And then you've talked to a city manager about adoption but not just for the revenue. No, as a general,, as a generalist. We will all see. Like, you know, the homeowner, Proppers, you know, like, I commit to renting this out at 60% AMI. Like, what would the tax break be? And what sort of like covenant we just put in there to long what they've been committed to, and we've been able to cap on how many people do it, or dollar amount, like all the details like that. I think that needs to be further as forward. I think for the purposes tonight's discussion, I know welcoming the ball switch advocating has relates to a budget amendment that we have because the headline in the city has surpluses for $4.9 million that we are going to be discussing. To a virtual 21st, we have a first discussion. I had to deploy that to all the different needs and I think, well, I'm also just here tonight to make a request. I think this discussion on topic tax credit would be a long-term discussion and I think that can happen on the same timeline. Yes. And when I married it's what I was talking about the AEDs that's potentially not just for this program, but it could potentially be a proper intent for any offering to the low income housing. Yeah, and Dealey has solved the big unit issue, right? Like it's really hard to get three veterans or large parents. If someone is going to go abroad for two years, like a state department family, and you're like, hey, I'm willing to rent out my unit at a lower price. And I get a tax break and I'm doing some good. Like that seems like a great option. Yeah. There are a lot that people who have their house out for folks who have three year buttons. Yeah. Because the market just is not actually going to produce anything larger than it's you've ever seen. I'd be interested whether any other places to use something like this. That's the interesting idea. We kind of like CCA, we know that the market does not produce units below 60% AMI, because they're so extensive and send new buildings and so does the public. Mobile dollars towards buying down rep rates. This is kind of similar idea, like doing something somewhat artificial against the market and need. Okay, we'll wind up by saying thank you to the city, all of these different organizations and people involved that spend extraordinary the mobilization of community the city's catalytic role in this vision. So we look for our next chapter. So we're here for discussion. We take your point very seriously, Meredith. You know, understand that the catalytic effect of the city's money, the private fundraising that ensues, that makes it all more attractive. We like that too. But as we look at the next chapter, you know, both of us figure out how that works and how we continue to be a partner. Especially if you were able to get that from what we discussed before, and like you were able to get that without like going down actively, like shaking down lots of people. It's like people want to give money. And I mean, it's got to start people in full search who have money. There are probably people in full search who have money, but not time. And so those people who could really support who think something like this is great, that can't be volunteer hours. This could sort of be like, you could sort of hitch that as an ongoing contribution. And I'm going to do like a Not like a anyway, I'm just like being a flat. I shouldn't be doing that now. I'm like oh, you can do like a newsletter So like people see the impact of their stuff, you know, just I think it sounds like there's a there's like a You know, there are people out there who would who would be interested if there was that. I don't know what term. I think what you're raising is like major donor cultivation. And what we generally found is like people are so happy to give like slow enough or like it kind contributions buying off an Amazon wish list or like support a family as they move in. But the major donors in the tens and 20,000s are very hard to come by. Why was just sort of getting more like, I mean, getting people who can, who will do like $35 a month, which is not gonna get very good, we've tried that too, and asked very slow going, yeah, yeah. I just think in terms of what, I know that that's like, when I went, I don't know, other families are like similar to mine, but when I'm thinking about this, it's like, okay, like, what can I do if I don't have time? I would look and I would do that, like $35, $40 a month to something. And it seems like they're, you know, I don't know what it is about, like how you sort of build that story to get people to sort of trust you with that. But I mean, I think you're building your building sort of a narrative here and just showing like results and kind of what's happening. So, yeah, that's just cool. I mean, I think fundraising is good and I think we could definitely get some cool. I mean, I think fundraising is good. And I think we could definitely get some money. I mean, the risk you run with that is like, if we don't have it in time to then to sign in through your lease, you're asking someone to sign a lease on a hypothetical that we can't guarantee, right? So you really almost have to do it almost like a year and a half, two years in advance to be able to guarantee someone that is the first thing. And the second thing is, I mean, this is a very small community and sharing information. You know, a life family is a very easy to identify. And we have to be really careful on respecting their privacy and how much, you know, we put out there and they campaign and stuff. Because there's only five of them. Yeah, they go to the school. Everybody knows who they are. And we're not opposed to we try fundraising in a variety of different ways. But again, like we're all a volunteer team and we have reached out through our database to some targeted ways, but also like a couple of call for donations. And we probably have a handful of people that contribute on a lovely basis. based on some targeted ways, but also like a open call for donations. And we probably have a handful of people that contribute on a lovely basis. And so that is not without asking, we have asked. But again, I think what you're getting at is probably more around major drug cultivation. And that takes a lot of dedicated time and all of us have our own lives that we're living and we're doing this on a volunteer basis. So we just don't have like a large infrastructure of an organization that is dedicated to fundraising. And I work in the nonprofit space and I'm familiar with that. It just takes time to cultivate those kinds of donors. This really helpful. And some of this is just from, I had a conversation with Paul and Kevin and talking about going off of kind of what they were describing and I think that I definitely understand like that's a very complicated thing to do. So not like making light of the effort that would be involved there. I just wonder, like, other, I already mentioned there's like a couple of other, is it Pittsburgh and Oklahoma City? Like, if you sort of see other organizations who've sort of like done this longer term, like, what, like, what is sort of that, like, 10-year strategy in terms of, is it, is it like a, is it an, you know, sort of the periodic request, like recurring money from the city, like, I think that would be that. Honestly, like before I would want to sort of commit to like the next amount, like I would want to know what the long term, especially if there's a long term plan to continue. Sure. I think that's what I would be interested in. the long term, especially if there's a long term plan to continue. Sure. I think that's what I would be interested in. Yeah, that's so understanding. Thank you for asking. And I'll invite also our colleagues to comment on. Our purpose is to build a community of neighbors and to do so by bringing people together with purpose. So our long-viewed hospital and immigrants refugees to create opportunity for us all. But it starts with millions of community of neighbors. So, what you're seeing here is when people are coming together and mobilizing around something that they care about. And it's the volunteer hours, it's the timely spend. And the fact that also, in addition to the volunteer time, you know, these groups of people, we spent a time together. It's really fun. You're like, you're all like it. I'm saying, I'm saying, here it is. It's really, you know, we're all looking for some purpose in life beyond the environment here at the housing commission on a Tuesday night because you care about the community. And we, in our own way, we're bringing people together't care about the community. And it's that purpose that then, now what does that mean for this initiative? You know, hopefully this is something that happens year after year and hopefully, it, because some call shirts is small, it will not be, it will not be large. It never would have become 100 families, but maybe it's something wherever a year there's three more families coming year after year after year and many of them stay. Many of them come on to because they were because of family reunification issued or their jobs in a different place. You know, but maybe that means that in 10 years there have been 30 families in the program, half of them are here in the city, longer term residents, and maybe one of them serves on the housing commission. Maybe one of them runs for sitting council. Maybe one of them, you know, the kids are, you know, the graduation speakers to high school, and we start seeing visible markers that this is having impact. And also, we have a little Afghan community and false church. No, that's not the purpose of the program. It's not to welcome Afghan families specifically, but a lot of the, we're selling them up right now as Afghan families. And maybe that's something that is, is habit. Just like Eden Center down the road is a center for Southeast Asia Vietnamese culture and commerce. Maybe there's other little communities like that that develop and that that becomes something that cultures is known for. Now at the moment, you know, any ask of the budget, city's budget is a one-time ask, not a recurring ask. We don't feel ready to be honest with you. We don't feel ready to forecast out what this looks like over 10 years, you know, to be quantitative about it. I would say it would be modest. I'd say we would not want this to be burdensome to the city. We wanted to be consistent, meaningful, high impact. But something that's well engineered and we'd also like to track attention to maybe make any little bit of a model and we'll fund it over time too. Christine's in there. I'll just also offer that like of course we're started with a program about 20 people, grew about 60, and we currently have 83 students who are coming up Tuesday and Thursday nights. And so the massive effort of volunteer engagement there and like private fundraising as well, students paying to be a part of that program. Like we are reaching like immigrants in addition to the refugees. And like we're not providing housing for that population. But we are really hoping that our communities enrich through these relationships that are formed. There's 83 adults and 20 kids. There's a whole 100 restroom of students at the University of Santa Rattlesa University of Arizona so that's and that's up 35% you're in. So we go. What are you asking for in the city's budget this year? So if we were to look at the year two adjustment and extended year three and adding a sixth family, that would be $100,000. So in our base case assumptions, looking at rent inflation assumptions and we'd be very happy to drill down into that with staff or with you all. Does that number change, or does what's needed change if families get into like ADUs or CCA Hunes or St. Pepe? Yeah, you see that's just sort of things, you know, and it's sensitive and that the end is small. So one family is changing and pattern would have a material impact. But we would be comfortable with one. We would feel very comfortable with one out through the full third year for all of the six families at that level. So that 100,000 would cover years to am free. That's correct. And it would also include for the family would arrive in first quarter of 2025, following out for the three years duration of that balance here. My guess the other question I have is is there something that you're looking for from us receiving as the other person? Already your attention, your interest to your question is fantastic. Thank you very much. So as I understand procedure, I don't know that you all would make a recommendation related to a bunch of matter, but you know we invite you in whatever ways appropriate to voice partly or publicly you know to to counsel you know on the on the issue. If it is appropriate that you would take action as a group we invited of course in addition to any requests or conversations around Council for free to send HHS and you know any of us can we make to have your next consortium? So we have similar target, longer target. Oh, I'm sorry. So let us know what you're asking for. Sure. Great. Thanks. Yeah. I mean, that would be great because housing is the large, large percentage of all the money to be used. This housing thing will make it very, very interesting. One thing I know and also I know it's like really, really, really, so I also have things to cover. so I will ask one more question. I run the next name, 25 minutes ago. I am so bad at being mentioned on. But sort of thinking, if you're thinking about the families and what kind of thing that, you know, once you've done the three years, once you hit the end of that, like there's presumably like different transition paths, like they could find the native you, they could find another sort of, you know, probably we have any market rate of local housing anymore. But, or if that doesn't, if there is not a housing option, if they are able to then, then they would probably need to move out of the city. I think unless you were to go or, because I think based on our conversation, you were saying like, we're not thinking, we're not saying, we're not planning to come back for a proposal for a year four. We're planning on three years. And so just having a plan for, if you hit the end of that third year and you still can't find, you know, A.U. is having to hub up something like that, having a plan for how to kind of like, you know, help like, I don't know, like connecting other resources or something like that. I think I would just be interested in know like what you, like how you would help a family transition out of that. They may not have to. I mean, they may because of the income growth of the primary job holder, and then an additional income of the second, they may be able to make up the different of what our subsidy is. So I think they may not have to move. They might just be able to see their... I guess like the, there's like, they could, they could sort of get to the point where they don't need an assistance anymore. They could get an A.U. sort of just through the city's A.D. program or they could like neither of those could happen. Like they don't have that. I can speak like our family is looking at that or Lisa's at the gym, which is like how they really suit. So I mean, they're very tech-savvy. So they're on department stocks, and they're looking at things. I like questions. I've said I can move the answer as if you look at programs like how can you say, but particular Fairfax County High School, let me know. I can tell you a little bit about the high school. We can look after that in the IB program, AP program because with a student, a high school student is an IV. You know, every big advantage to go to a Fairfax County High School, that is an IV program, is an IV program, is the classes when you move into an AP school, they'll match up. So we've already had that occasion and this one's events, Councilor Fairfax County, so we talked about it together. So that's a kind of thing you can help with, but we can't do like the ever you know, I mean, we've been for years and we've going with different departments like a real estate agent. We're not that you know, we're not the stuff to do that. But we can have the kind of thing we're trying to do. There are you know, moving its challenging. But their preferences this day. Yeah, yeah. It. It's easy to stay, but, you know, not to the point where, like, their residual income would be like a thousand, right? They just, you know, they're like, what, that you know, America's expensive. So, yeah, they're really nice to have about it. That makes sense. Okay, cool. Thank you for all of your time and information and being graciously answered all of your time and information and gracious answer and all of our questions. I can't throw all the medical work you do. What is fun? What is fun? Sorry to get someone here. Sort of moving to your time. Progress and dashboard time. I didn't know if you'd have the dashboard up. I don't want to get in. Um, you get it. I got it. You all know about the considerate. So I'm going to promote this. Okay. The rest of the meeting. Cool. I babysitter stair toll. Not. That might be a little bit longer. Maybe we've learned in an hour and so do that. I'm glad you got the. I'm sorry. We're not getting that. It's you or you. So you can go. I can have a something and I have to remote participation. The second question. School Board's meeting tonight. Yes. This is our Monday and start Tuesday of the month where we have a babysitter to go to't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. I can't have you. Okay. Do I read that? Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm the housing commission approved electronic participation by Jordan Hicks in tonight's meeting. What personal reasons pursuant to the housing commission's policy on participation and meetings to electronic means as adopted by housing commissions. Something. Or I could do that one. I think this is where we will end up. Okay. I move that 1000 commission approved electronic participation by Jordan Hicks in today's meeting. Because here she's unable to attend due to... You know these. You guys are just... Go back up, because that'd be... Okay, sorry guys, this is just like what we have somewhere on a file. We don't have any... Yeah, you did it. We already did the... We didn't buy a solution. Yeah, okay. Number all the identification seconds. Okay, second time. And more identification seconds. Okay. Second time. Okay, and then you vote without Jordan. Okay. Do we vote that Jordan can join? Yes. Yes. Okay, we're done. No, I was. Oh, well, that's a part of it. Yeah, but I just say we won't be majority vote. That's weird that he's here and he can't vote. Yeah. He can vote something something to not be here. I'm like, all right. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me. I'll let you in. We, uh, do we want to get into the LPS stuff? Well, long do you think each of those pieces is going to be 45 feet? That's what you get from that. I think I'm not living them. You should know that. You just need to throw a study. Yeah, I think it's icy. I'm like, so yeah, I'm sorry yeah just give us a brief up to yeah So, that's what's in the door. That's that. I'm very sorry. So I'm just going to give you guys a quick overview. The. We are in the drafting process, drafting phase of the four living policy. We officially kicked it off a few weeks back. And I'm just giving you kind of an update. Like I think I might have included some of you are most of you on the, you know, that went out, that we were, we were gonna send something to council but we kind of worked it back a little bit and once you send something else on a few weeks and that'll be the first draft when that's right. Giving you an update on the timeline for all these things and this doesn't have to take long enough. Again, we started the drafting process a few months back, 19. We're expecting internally staff to review first draft sometime in the next week or two. Then we will begin the city attorney, collect your proposals, the principal comments back to them by the end of the month. Then the city attorney will have an opportunity to review the draft. We expect there to be significant comments on that from the city attorney over the next few weeks. During that process, we'll hold another call to work group review meeting for the local work group. Just to let you know, this is the first draft. This is where we are right now. It's being reviewed by the city attorney. Here's your opportunity to give us some notes or comments in the intermediaries. So that being reviewed by the city attorney. Here's your opportunity to give us some notes or comments in the intermediaries. So that would happen in about a month. How much? When do you plan on scheduling them? Like how far out? That's a great question. I should probably say, I think. I'm just thinking if we're looking at about a month away, it'd probably be good on people's calendars. Everything's theoretical until it's like three weeks out. So yeah, I mean we actually we'll give you guys a tip we got our first version of the draft like about four hours a month. So we have to take a look at it and start providing comments but it looks like we're about on schedule in that regard. So So to turn it over to your comments mid-November, we get comments. We take those comments, we put them into a draft on about a week. So later November. Then we start the council submission process. So that's later November. And during that council submission process, we take it to all the boards and commissions, including housing commission. So this is actually a kind of a near market for you guys. We're thinking we might, we might be more effective if we have another joint H sac housing commission meeting. It's not mandatory, but you know, similar to what we do with the 80 years in the past, we, we, we, 80 years was with Jack in the planning commission. Now, some of the, to that process, through same process, because we're also adding just the components of the plan. We want to basically take this, present to all the housing, throw commissions, and just for the, We want to basically take this presented to all the housing program commissions. And to be sure to review the direct comments on the first draft. And we'll also host a in-person community forum later in November, sorry, later in December. And then we'll take another month to take all those comments. Fold them into the draft that we have. That should be more than enough time. And then we'll start the posting process to have planning commission meeting, planning commission flow, council work session for the final draft and then council of the adaptation at the end of the end of the end. Kind of more theoretical at this point, but the idea is once we have that first draft and hopefully by like the end of the month, then we'll have a good idea what's supposed to be going to the final draft. So we have to think that that first draft and use that as a basis for any budget discussions that will have in earlier like January. So, you know, we were really really wanted to try to have this done by an end of year, but just looking at the schedule, we ended up pushing it into February, but because we'll have first draft, we'll be okay in terms of like having budget recommendations for that. So at the last meeting, I'm actually looking at the minute, there was a discussion of reviewing it before it became a trail. So, looking at the findings and recommendations in perhaps a deadline format, and you suggested you were gonna be able to do that. Is there something we can look at now? Sure. I thought everyone, I thought at least you three were on that that email that I sent that had those basically like the staff report that had all the recommendations on there. Was it a summary document that you could come from all the output from the library. But I think it's understanding, I mean, this could be both of this is fewer involved. Let me know if this is correct. So my understanding was like, there was a lot of content in there, there was a lot of our foundations. And my, I guess thinking about like turning that into a draft, and I know we talked about prioritization. Like in the prioritization since the, like we have someone else writing the draft, like are they going to add prayer? Like who basically who is doing that part? Because that seems like really like kind of the most important thing. Especially if you have like 30 recommendations or something like that. That seems to sort of like the most powerful part of it, and I'm wondering who has that power. We, so similar to the other comprehensive plan chapter updates, we're gonna have like basically a format for what is our schedule and for a lot of these recommendations. That is not in the draft that we received today and that is like my primary feedback is that we need direction and priorination and all this. We just put together. Part of why we have this consultant is to give us advice in terms of timing and flexibility, but ultimately it is a staff determination. So we will have to be okay with what they think is appropriate for this. And this will all go through the same publicly-references that everyone can even think of in that comment. So yeah, it is the most important part, but it's certainly not something that will be operating outside. I'm just thinking that maybe if the, or any school just like a little bit back up, yeah, tripping. Just thinking since, so there's like the base staff and then the city attorney. It seems like maybe a good. A good thing for the policy work group draft review meeting would be to have like if you have a bunch of different things in there to consider, like, it seems like important to incorporate the policy groups feedback on prioritization. You are on the group, Sarah, so if you disagree with that being like a key piece, I mean, that's just, no, I think that makes sense. I mean, the policy of work or missing you pretty early on, maybe just makes sense. I'm wondering if it makes sense for the whole housing commission to have access to it at that stage. But honestly, my bigger comment was going to be that I see the planning commission votes on it, like as the last step essentially before goes to council. I assume that's because it's going into the comprehensive plan. But based on subject matter, it would make sense to me that the housing commission would also have a vote on it. You are a fairly kind of final stage. I mean, if we want to include like a voting period during that joint session in December, I think that's perfectly reasonable. Well, but after that is the planning commission, because everybody given their comments by the time of that commission, that's your opportunity. No, well, so I think our vote should be after or all comments are received and incorporated. Because that I think was my other question. It's like if you have to be back from playing under they on their work session, BDA and then housing and HSEC and in the community forum, how are all of the comments going to be deconflicted? Because I'm sure that there will be lots of things that will be conflict like who is going to be doing that? I don't think we're going to do a lot of loops of comments and then making sure the comments were... Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying that if you're... if you see a lot of comments in there and you have, like, you know, something in there, planning recommends like, no, you should do it this way. EDA was like, no, you should have say something totally different. And then, you know, whatever housing and H sac are like, no, we should do it this other way. Like, is there a, is there a process for that? Or is it basically just like, we'll look and see. Get rid of the craziest stuff and try to like make it happen? We are going to do our best to disinvey way and make sure that they are. Well, part of that will be, and this was a recommendation from planning draft to false battered. All the comments are gonna be a part of that Scott. So they're all gonna be addressed in some way or not. That will be part of the process. That will be part of the process. So the first time, the first time we're seeing it is December 10th, however you got correct? Yes. Well, I mean, you guys will get it before then. So you have an opportunity. So like this is almost like when will we get I mean before then I mean we're we're at least a couple of weeks before then also a work session so probably around this council work session. So I get back to an areas point that it's going to be fairly well-baked in terms of the recommendations and the prioritization of the recommendations, but in the time it gets through the planning commission. And I'm wondering if there is an opportunity for us to shape it, discuss it at the next meeting. At least take a look at it. I don't know if there's mind in the number meeting. Yeah. So I don't know if there's findings, but it sounds like there are recommendations. And perhaps a lot of the question becomes, where is our input? I will say just looking at the fact that the Planning Commission has a gavel that we don't, it will indicate that at the time we see it will be all done. We're going to the Virginia Beach. Oh yeah. We have to change the date for November's evening. We leave it that same day. We're going to go to the Covenant Health and Convencities in Virginia Beach. We could do the week before we got to make these course elections. Oh, yeah. We have to move back. Sorry, I'm not going to make it any different day of a week. Yeah, we've been moving on different day of the war. I mean, you guys can meet without me at the age of 20. We didn't count on 20. I probably have a hard time. And I'm leaving the country and I'll be back on the point of November. We'll be around the end here. But I don't know if I'm trying to find some of the time. There are six to the seventh on those days. I'm sure that yeah, I do think, and even if it's not just even the full draft, but it's just the list of recommendations or findings. However, whatever the full revised, yeah. Yeah. So, here's a thought here, like the city attorney, I feel like it's going to tear it up. And like we're hoping that this is enough time for her to reveal. So unless I can give you what we have at that point, no problem. I can share with you guys and you, when we share with the policy work group, for example, on the 7th or before then, obviously. But like, it's probably gonna change and then it's gonna start that other review period as well. Yeah, I think it makes sense to just share with the housing commission the same time as it goes to the work group. And when it's like looking at it, it's like planning does like ED and planning technically you see it for us, but I think that's just because of where our meetings are. Yeah, it's a media. Planning is like would be the right. No, see it be in the. The. Also have money because they're going to get corporate. Yeah. Yeah. My other comment. I go back to it. I really think that housing recognition should have a vote after if you scroll down a little bit. After that comprehensive work plan session where planning commission makes more changes, I think that we should see it again. Okay. I mean, you guys want to copy of it? Do you want to vote on it in February? Yeah. I mean, I think if this, if this come, if this basically like came out of housing and age, I know this is not making her like easy, but it became out of housing and age-sack, I know this is not making it easy. But if it came out of that, I think that, I just don't know where we are with regards to the comprehensive plan process is we're kind of straddling another department here. If this feels weird for another department to have the final say over this department's primary governing policy document for the next five years. And even if they do have to approve it, like we should probably have to approve it too. Because that's how it normally will go by that feedback and we'll get we'll get a play and yeah I mean done the house Orish is everyone's satisfaction. I mean this will let this last happen in 2019 I guess like does the housing commission normally have to approve the affordable Why can't it does run as a joint session with them with planning? Well, then would we need to I mean is H that gonna have the same feedback that they want to do it? And then it would be like three commitments. So this is going to be a percentage, all the documents for like a 50, 50 housing documented personnel. Okay, so maybe, yeah, maybe we have session with, maybe we have a joint session with planning. When you're not adding a trip, join her trip, join, trip, join, present her, she's sad guys. Wanna get the whole thing, we can talk with each that like we don't have I just think that in terms of a there is a long fashion. I was going to love that. I don't think you're excuse me but I want to be part of that too. You can be invited to yes. Yeah. Yeah. You can get it through. I'll provide that feedback and begin with. I mean, I didn't mean that. To be honest, I don't know that there's a downside to us seeing the draft draft even before it goes to the city attorney. I mean, I mean, that's the way. Yeah, I want to go to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when it goes that, it says, yeah, our heads are getting in terms of what the recommendations are and stuff like that. I'll look forward to the nice schedule. Are you saying, so it's kind of screw back up here to policy workroom, right? You guys wanna see it before this. So I mean, So, policy work group, right? You guys wanna see it before this. So, I mean, so I think, I mean, if we have a meeting on sixth, I think that in that case, it may not make sense for us to have it at, well, how many of you guys is great? It may be that, like if the policy worker is meeting on the 7th, we don't need to meet on the 6th. Then also talk about it. Maybe we do, I don't know. But I think if we've got a copy, if the policy worker is able to provide feedback, and they have representatives from housing. And then if you can see us on whenever I guess when you're sitting in the city of journey or whatever and just so we can kind of take a look at it and know what like know what it looks like. And then we can have our session in December where we provide the feedback. I think it's just adding that. Adding us providing the feedback to add us to the planning commission. I think the joint session with housing. The women on February. Okay. Unless you think we should. No, I think that works. But I think the more important thing is to add up the joint question in February. And then when you send it. I love to join sessions these days to win later the whole year and a half, two years without doing some of the sessions. Now they're done like for this year sessions. Yeah. But a lot of collaboration. Collaboration learned a lot about rules of like quorum for joint sessions and all the struggles about that. Which no one knows. Uh, I, I mean, you have the minutes for the, uh, for the joint session part of the session. We've done, you know, sorry, I think they're more complicated, but where are those? I send them out. I read, I meant to include me. I think another option that we've done in the past is you can often come to our accountable session. I mean, we can make that a joint session. And this is just more efficient. Like, you're welcome to come to a complete, there's probably two councilor sessions maybe. Yeah, there's two. There's one. There's one for the final one for the third draft. That's the word session. Usually in the past past anytime we have like housing related topics, we say you guys just come to ours, and then you don't need to do double duty and then it's actually, like when you go to a Zaku. Is that the way it sounds like? Yeah, these dates. So it's like, is that it? Is that Thanksgiving? I don't know. If you actually have a council meeting, then it's definitely On the first day. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the Monday before Thanksgiving. I will be able to country. But even if we, I guess there's the, if we didn't have, like we don't have a full, we said like a representative and have them talk. Or they know how to talk because we're not all there. Okay. And you know the option to give you another opportunity to say like, so that's something we can consider as another option. When you want to pull the trigger, that's in a month. Well, I think we can talk, we can talk in our next, we can talk next, our next meeting in November, which will be before the council work session. And we don't have to have it be a joint, like the one in like November 25. I don't think we don't even have to be a joint session. I think just one of us, more or two of us could go to the city council work session. So I don't think that impacts the schedule program. Brendan, it's not on the council calendar. I don't think so. So it's one of the, the one that came out last night, we were doing, sorry, which, which for the 25th? What do you think? Yeah. There's no meaning because I love, no, it's not, your thing is not on the. Yeah, I don't know whether I guess I have to listen to somebody now about it. That's good. Don't you want then do you get managed at what same energy is office doing? Are we moving with the sixth of for next month? For November? I don't know. I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if I'm tens of millions. I don't know if guys a draft of it. Very cool. Anything else on this before we run? I thought it was going to be 45 minutes. Should we talk about this? Do you want to just give like a, I don't think we should, I don't think we have time to talk about feedback. Yeah. But you should just show us because it's cool. What is it? I, I, I, and, and, and, and, and, and'm sorry, I'll share my screen. Hopefully you can see it. But we can like have a chunk of time to talk about it next time. I think that's probably what makes more sense. You can just go ahead and try it by. So one of the recommendations and we talked a lot about it during the four-wheel-in policy meetings was wanted something similar to what Arlington had. So as a sprint, we decided to kind of, we had an admin who had a high-key experience of working pen until the end of, so it was, uh, almost been a seer here. It was end of August, right? Yeah, almost. It worked as a disaster. We just got to put it together for the last minute. Um, um, just wanted to show, share with you guys. I think we did a pretty good job given the city's resources and making it work. We took a variety of different data types and information. We took some other recommendations from the world-leveling work group specifically. But the idea is to include kind of like a mix of housing really information and and you know human services related information. Not so much. Whatever we get that for. So for example, we have a little bit different numbers and I go into it at a later time, but different numbers for the affordability ratio that you guys put out as a as a as a as a call. And we'll go into the time. But like there's 11 pages so far. We already got ideas to add more to it. But the idea is like you have like a demographics page right here. There's some information. A lot of this is both directly from the demographics chapter. We have housing information, so some of this stuff comes from a lot of the work that Kaling does on the Affordable Housing Report. And I'll share that with you. I thought I included a meeting effect, but I guess I got deleted. This is an area meeting income calculator section, really big tool, because it tells you exactly what like rents are and what the incomes are for those things. And it changes based on these ratings, which are selected. We still let directly from the project time, thanks Arlington. So again, charts, information here. It's most of it's interactive. We have a mass. This tells you we're a lot of the size of the before the units from the city and where they're located. Which you can see on it. It's right on the upper pipe. A U's just kind of whisked through this housing stock. Again, all of this is all, all of both family properties in the city. Yeah, what's up? Are there do apartments like next to Meridian in full stretch city? Yes, yes. That was actually kind of a cool deal. Yeah, it was that it didn't used to be part of the city, but there were some sort of like trade that happened with city water rights. And as part of that, we got that piece of property and we created this really cool development act. And we were just telling we were there earlier today. Beautiful, beautiful units. It's going to be a whole thing you guys know, like the Mosaic District. It's going to be like Mosaic District over there be like a Mosaic District. It's gonna be still holding. Being a lawyer from the high school. You guys, you're just gonna be extra-king all the time. He's gonna bring me some red-point. Yeah, it is, right? I'm pretty very good at starting. I'm telling her you're about her. Okay. Just as I first, this high school site's 10 acres, but then the site where if you're senior in the park, you're not going to park very well because that's good. The routine tech building is going to change and then the metro site is going to change and all together it will be 40 acres, which is about the size of Jose. Yeah, well, I'm really really cool. Human Services talk about a portable housing preservation. So we talk about like kind of projecting out what it was. It was like 17 back in 2020. We lost some and we're gonna climb up to 25 by the end of the affordable ownership program, which we'll have about 24. This is what projected. And then this is the 480U stock. And this shows how it's falling off a cliff over the next six or seven years. I mean, I'm not sure. I have not done a like like I have not done a full comparison. It should and we will we will do that. You can bet. Yeah. This should be from the center. So he has that's one again. Well, I mean, we can have that conversation next time because like like, you know, next time I think we can have a good like, you know, I think you know, not because up until a couple of years ago, we were somehow surprised that we did things expire. And you're like, oh my god, we should not be letting things just expire. Yeah. I don't believe that's the date we'll talk about in the past for the fields. Yeah, I think it's sooner than that. Are you talking about the actual trends expiring on the burnout period? I'm talking about when the affordability couple, like when they can start jacking up rents, from units or no longer to pick people,. If you're there, I think you and I had this conversation and it was originally 2024 with a three year extension. And then you said no, it's 2027 with a three year extension. It's not really an extension. So what happened? Sarah knows it's better than I do. It was 2027. And then if people move out after 2027, new people moving in will not get a formal rents. But for people who are living there already they can see their period out. So it's 2027 with, but only, but it tries starting with the 2027. That's my usual answer. Is that how it works at a time? Yeah, that sounds right. What is that? So that's... Well, as people, as far as you know, that it's so certain, like it's an answer to... Yeah, sure, without seeing the documents. Yeah, it would be a really helpful. I don't know, where do you get any of the legal documents? It's governed the affordability government. I mean, very definitely. I'm not quite obsessed. And I think the way the expressions work is it's 2027. And it's technically they can't like kick people out, but as people move out, they for those new units, they can, yeah, but do we all have 2030? They basically go black. Sorry. In 2030, they could go kick people out. I think it depends a lot over their leases are. Like signed, yeah. Because they probably could, they could probably start to use money to find it. So it's right. I think that's what, let's, can they raise the rent? That's between 20, 20, 7 and 20, 30. They could go to market rate for whatever new units are. What about for the existing unit? The thing you raise the rent. There's leases for them, right? I would have stood there one year Lisa. They could raise it as long. They could feel it, if I started now, you see what happened. They could. But they can say you can stay in it. Your newsroom is gonna be Lisa. A lot more. So I just don't think we've got much time on the field. That's the topic for that. That's fine. This is all data, baby. Like you just change numbers on smart cheats. So happy to do all that stuff. Make it more dire. This is more for a little more freebie's intensive, but the idea is just talks a little bit about the foreboding housing fund and what we use it on, CCA use, the ownership program again, and sub-tree program that we use with the foreboding ownership. This is great. Where is the, who is the customer for this dashboard? So the end is supposed to become more like a more present visual version of like the affordable housing report. So like, you know, we can keep more accurate and more of today's information on here. So ultimately, it's for people who want to know what's going on in the city, who want to know what's what they're affordable housing opportunities. And ultimately, like we have, like for example, when we're affordable with policy, a number of goals. And we want to try to figure out a way to, someone to be affordable housing, the affordability index have a way to kind of like keep that front center and track it. We can do preservation absolutely and you know just have like kind of gauges for like where we want to be by 2027 or 2030 or whatever the next 11 positive things. All right. I will ask if anyone has a motion to adjourn and we will talk about this next time since it is almost 9 o'clock. Unless people want to stick around. I cannot, because I have to go early my day to set up. I think we should get to the spring award. We're both in two. 20. I think we're working in the 2025 spring award at this point guys. Yes, I think we're just going to do. Okay, so we have a motion to adjourn. I second. Okay. All right. Me and your turn. Thank you. Oh, and for your, the housing commission book club. 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