All the planning and zoning meeting for Wednesday, May 14th, 2025 to order. Can we have a roll call please? Chairman Kennedy. Here. Mr. Andrew Covex. Here. Ms. Havanaugh. Here. Mr. Hatcher. Here. Mr. Elmo Fattano. Here. Mr. Duane. Here. Thank you. before we move forward I'm going to ask that everybody please make sure that their phones are turned off or to vibrate. There is no minutes at this time. There's no old business at this time. The first item under new business is AR2025-10166 requests for consideration of applications to fill the vacated seat of Eric Rainbird for the Planning and Zoning Board. Staff report, please. Thank you. City staff have received four applications to serve on the Planning and Zoning Board. Eric Rainbow, the former Planning and Zoning Board member, won the special election. As vacated as seat, City staff would like to remind the board that this decision is a recommendation to the council, and the council has the final decision. This recommendation would go to the June 2nd, 2025. Staff is recommending the Planning and Zoning Board send a first and second choice recommendation to the city council and just stipulate that that second choice be considered as an alternate request for the council to consider as well. As you know, pardon me, as you know, the Planning and Zoning Board has a quorum of five, not four, like the other boards. So I think an alternate would be helpful just to allow some flexibility for the Planning and Zoning members, also to give other people an opportunity to serve on the board as well. So the four applicants were Gigi Bennington, Patrick Fisher, James McGinnis, and Tim London. And with that, I'll let you pull up the applicant. OK. Are any of the applicants here? OK, you want to come forward and introduce yourself. One at a of the time please name and address. Patrick Fisher 2100 air park road. Trying not to bore you with a state. I was your typical hometown kid growing up here in Edgwater during the mid 70s long before the days of computers and cell phones. You know we ran the streets play the woods, swimming the shell pits and sometimes found ourselves in a little bit of trouble. I attended Edgewater Public Elementary the first year it was open. Later I graduated from New Sumerna Beach High School. I've been here all my life. I worked 40 years at Coca-Cola in Daytona Beach, drove up and down every day, back and forth, married in my high school sweetheart. So I worked at COPE for 40 years, holding various positions and levels within the company. Over 35 of those years, I was in management. My career was focused on learning, leading, teaching, coaching, and developing both myself and others to achieve the highest standards of professionalism. My business acumen spends customer service, sales and marketing, distribution, logistics, and finance. Over the years, I've developed skills listening to people, analyzing issues and objectives, offering practical solutions. I take pride in my ability to solve problems and make sound decisions. When necessary, I will seek out the information and strive to understand all perspectives and make a well informed decision. The fact that I'm here today with a prepared statement even, you know, should tell you something about my character, I take this opportunity serious and I will come prepared to do the work. Why the planning and zoning board you might ask? I am retired and have both the time and a desire to serve the community in a meaningful way. I believe I can provide a layman's perspective to the board and a decision-making process. Since I am neither a contractor nor a realtor, I can represent the voice of every day resident, someone who understands the community not just from a business standpoint, but as a lifelong member of it. Mr. Chairman is even extended the invitation on more than one occasions for citizens to step up and apply to this board. Here I am. I'm ready to bring my experience, commitment and common sense to serve the city of Edgewater and the citizens and contribute to its growth and sustainability. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, my name is Tim London 2632 to drive. I'm new to the area, four years residents of Edgewater, mainly from the Midwest, Northern Midwest, came to Florida four years ago, or six years ago, did a project in Palatka, fell in love with the state and basically retired to Edgewater. So been involved with construction on my life. Family over with everything that goes on was in charge of major projects of $100 million and up sometimes up to craft level over a thousand people. So I thought I'd try to get involved with the community and see if I can pay back a little bit. Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Questions? Honours? Questions? comments? My contractor. So Mr. London stuck out to me pretty quickly. You know, he's a, he's a no offense Mr. London older version of me. You know, I mean, he's got a lot of construction experience. He's got a lot of project management experience, especially looking at the size of these projects, the industrial stuff, commercial construction. So he's kind of already been working through the stuff that we're currently going through right now. So I think he definitely could be beneficial and then Mr. Fisher in my opinion, honestly the lifelong resident part to it got me because lifelong resident, for sure you are too. So you're also stuck out to me because of, you've You know, you've been very involved for a year plus now. So, those two were my one and two. Same to be honest. I scored Mr. London as one. Mr. Fisher, is that same? Yeah, I went opposite on that. But I mean, I do like the, I do like the way he's been here. And it's also not on any other boards. Hasn't been, you know, into the, you know, I don't know, the council and all that other stuff. Like some other, you know, applicants have and, you know, just has that overall perspective, which I think is really needed and really important. And I'm sure being here for 60 years, I mean, you definitely know some people too. So I mean, my vote would be there, number one there. But. So my reason for Mr. London was experience as Chris pointed out, we are in desperate need of high of looking fresh blood at some of the major projects that we're going to be facing. I think that's agreed. But I mean, if we already have five contractors on board, there's no diversity for other things. He's not a contractor. So he's got an engineering degree. That's what I like. First with? Well, that look at it I got to agree with one and two Very impressed with both of them as far as one locally The only thing I'll just add is that mr. London also had applied to the Economic development board and that board has recommended him for consideration or for appointment by the council. So he's going to be going for that recommendation as well. But again it's the council's decision regardless of the board's recommendation. So correct. Do we know who's picked it is? Or are they going to actually disperse it and talk about it and then come to a it? So specific council members appointment? I do not know which one. Okay. I'm just curious. It was the last time we had this situation. Yeah, what was the last time we had a plan? I don't think that's been ever. Yeah. And I've been on it for over 14 years. You must be doing something drastic. I don't do that forever. And I've been on it for over 14 years. You must be doing something drastic. We've gone for four out of it. I'm going to I'm going to put Mr. Lennon on the spot. If you had a choice between the economic development board and the planning and zoning board, which one would you use? You got to tell him to answer that. You didn't tell the economic development. I'm going to listen both boards. I didn't think this would happen. I thought it would be one or the other. I believe I can help both locations, my experience of some of my customers lasted almost 10 years and over multiple projects. So we were up front early on and in discussion what they wanted to do with their funds and their construction. So that's 50-50 to me. That was going to be my question. So project management construction world encompasses a lot of different things. So were you more on the construction side, so to speak, or more on the budgeting fiscal side of that project? I did both. Okay. For these, as we explained, my career was typically the main guy on site. And most of our projects lasted two to three years. So I dealt the most with the budget, AR2025-0166. Mr. London has won and Mr. Fisher has won. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I'm going to ask for a motion. We don't sit here all night. Make a motion to recommend to the council on AR2025-0166. Mr. London has one and Mr. Fisher is just. I'll second. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Alma Fattano. No. Mr. Hatcher. Mr. Almouth Attano. Mr. Hatcher. Ms. Heavener. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Okay. Next item on the agenda is V82501. Request for variances to allow encroachment into a side yard setback, cool setback, a height variance and a side variance for a detached garage at 1866 Vannion Drive. And we have a step forward. Yes, thank you. The app pin is requesting for several variances. The first is from Article 5, Table V1. Side dimensions, minimum side yard setback, from 10 feet to a five yard step back. We're also requesting from Article 3, Section 2130-609, to allow a swimming pool to be 3 feet from an accessory pool structure in lieu of 5. And then Article 3, Section 2130-602, General Regulations, Exemption from Matching the Architectural Fasad, as a requirement when a accessory structure is over 200 square feet and then Article 3, Section 2136-02, General Regulations Part C, allow the accessory structure to be 15 in height, which would be 3 feet higher than the primary, just 12 feet higher. City staff did send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject property shown here. And the applicant did provide the survey and with a site plan concept plan. City staff did review the application against Article 9, Section 21100.04, D, non-administrative variance, and found that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria as required by the Land Development Code for staff to recommend approval. City staff will note that the applicant was able to meet number two seeing that there's been other into your background for garages. And with that, staff will answer any questions or regarding the staff report. OK. OK. I'll look in the public hearing. Is the applicant in the audience? No. OK. That makes it totally easy. Anybody else have any questions or comments from the audience? Four times questions. One of the things that I see is the lack of information on this structure that we usually get. And in all honesty, I mean, I really don't know what this is. It looks like I don't know. It's too many unknowns for me to make a decision on this. There is a comment in there about metal sighting, which I don't know what that means. Is it one of this pre-pap, like things? Yeah, we've been through this before, which with garages, and we've been burnt. I have to say that based on this information, it doesn't meet our level of requirements. That's neat. you're talking about a 15-foot height building five feet off the property line. Things are going to be sitting seven feet above the fence. That historically, you guys all know, for me that's enough. I don't want to be the guy at 18 waking up in the morning, looking outside of a warehouse. I still say that that thing on old mission is bigger than what we agreed on. No, it's the right size. It was just big. I mean, it was a scene. And we cut it down. It's like what? But so, does anyone else share this? I agree. Yeah, yeah. I mean, applicants not here too. Exactly, what does that tell you? Well, on the other part, the kind of got me too. So we've got a pool screen enclosure with three feet between it. So that's just going to become this dirt walk away with a bunch of stuff piled in it. Five foot between offense and the building, same thing, gonna be dirt, a bunch of stuff piled in it. You know, it's- And just for a bunch of cars? And while I appreciate it so that they can save money on their rent, maybe not buy a bunch of cars that you can't put somewhere on your property? Just a thought. Okay. After saying other comments, I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. I make a motion to our 9 V8 25 0 1 request for variances. I've stated second. Who is the second? Thank you. Mr. Wilher, you're going to do your normal explanation that a yes vote is. Right. It's a motion to deny. If you say yes, then you want to deny the various. Thank you. It's confusing. Thanks for that clear footage. That's why we have a gift. Thank you. Mr. Joane. Yes. Mr. Amol Fattano. Yes. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Ms. Heavener. Yes. Mr. Andrew Kovix. Yes. Herman Kennedy. Yes. Well, he didn't speak up. Normally he jumps in quickly. So I was like, wait a minute. Exit them on the agenda is VA 2502. Request for variances from Article 5, Table 5-1 for a side yard setback reduction and a rear yard setback reduction for the property located at 2003-12. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chair. And the request before you is from Article 5 Table V1, which is Site Dimensions, and the applicant is requesting a minimum side yard setback in lieu of 10 feet of 8.7 feet. And the applicant is also requesting, oh, I apologize, 8.7 feet instead of 10 feet. And the applicant is requesting a rear yard set back of 12 feet from 30 feet with the hanger door as being proposed. So the applicant is proposing to build an addition on the hanger to facilitate this hanger home for the special plane that the gentleman owns. The applicant did receive H.O.A. approval from the H.O.A. City staff did review the variance request against Article 9, Section 21100.040 and found that Yappacan could not meet all six of the criteria as required for staff to recommend approval. staff will note that existing variances have been granted for the hangar homes in this area. Okay. I will open the public hearing. Did you want to say anything Mr. Pals? I mean you don't have to. Does this thing come out? It needs to be left there. Yes sir. Oh, okay. Sorry. Apologies. I thought he was going to talk to you. Yeah. So just the. The structure is already built where the first thing I think we said was 8.7 feet. That's already there. So we're just expanding toward the taxiway. And that's the ask. So yeah, that's just sort of it. I live in the house next door. I bought this home for my mother-in-law. She lives there, and I want to put my plane in the hanger. Oh, you don't put a mother-in-law in the hanger. Yeah. I have five sons. I might move to the hanger. So this is going to be, this is going to allow me to put the airplane in the hanger. The airplane has a lot of up high stuff to do. And right now, my wife does that for me like checking oil and stuff like that. And it's a lot easier if we could just walk next door and do it versus going down to the commercial hanger where it currently is. So I live next door and you guys were kind enough to give me a variance to get even closer to the taxiway on my house probably five years ago now. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments or questions from the audience? Board comments or questions? I only said one, not a pilot, stated a holiday and last night. There's not a lot of space between what appears. I'm gauging it off of your survey. So I mean 12 feet, not a lot of space between the building and what I'm going to assume is the edge of the taxiway. It's not the edge of the taxiway. Okay, that was the, okay, because I was just afraid that if you were parked on the ramp, are you impeding another aircraft coming behind you? No, that, I talked to it with the aircraft or the airport manager. That's where we came on the bus. There's well for it. Okay, yeah, because that was that letter that they gave permission. Well, I know, I just, it doesn't give us any reference to like his property line to the actual taxiway. So was it the taxiway next to his property line where it's a tail I'm going to be able to hold the metal and the metal down in the middle of the taxi way. So, was it a taxy way next to his property line, where it's tail-sancing out the middle of the taxy way? Okay, gotcha. Okay. These are all, people, people, people, people here to support Clayton. Can you come up to the podium please? Thank you. These are all airport people here. We've come here to support Clayton and what he wants to do. We it'll enhance the airport and he's got approval from the Massies to do that and their concern was the Henry door exactly what you said sir with the tails of the other airplanes and they made him you move it back right where wouldn't repeat on them we're all we're all here to support him and we think it'll be enhanced the airport the community and everything it's. It's because it's a lot of money and now that's all paved there by the way. So it's really turned out nice. I mean the airport's really coming up nice and it will enhance it. Again, we're all here to support it as well. Thank you. Sir, please state your name and address for the record. I'm John Craig, C-R-A-I-G-M, and neighbor to him. 1903-12 Street. I'm a neighbor to Clayton. Thank you. All I can say is that Mr. Massey signed so upon this. It's pretty strong. Right. Right. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Okay. I'll close the public hearing and ask for a motion. Make them to approve VA 2502. Thank you. Sorry, Albert. You're quick, man. Is that holiday in today? It was expressed. Mr. Joane. Yes. Mr. Amel Fattano. Yes. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Miss Havana. Yes. Mr. Andrew Covex. Yes. Mr. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Okay, VA 2 5 VA 2 5 0 3 is the next item on the agenda requests for several variances from article 5 table 5 1 2 construct a new single family home On the property located at 216 North Riverside Drive. Staff report, please. Thank you, Chair. The request before you is from Article 5, Table V-1 again, site dimension city staff that send out public notice within 500 feet of the subject properties. The applicant is requesting a variance from footnote 5 of table V1 within Article 5 to reduce the minimum two-story side yard setback from 15 feet to 10 feet. They're also requesting to reduce the minimum lot size area from 12,000 square feet to 10,000 square feet. They're also requesting from table V1 site dimensions and within that section article 21-41-04 and lieu of a 50 foot mean high water line setback they'd like to request a 26 foot mean high water line setback and then last week table V1 site dimensions to allow the wetlands to be immediately adjacent in lieu of the required 25 feet. City staff did review the application against Article 9, Section 21104D and did determine that the applicant could not meet all six of the criteria. City staff will note that there are certain policies within the comprehensive plan, such as up and buffer requirements within our conservation element, conservation policy 1.6.2, that we will maintain a 25 foot up and buffer. This was granted a variance in the past, which is set to expire. City staff will note that adjacent properties have been given these variances, most recently at 217 North Riverside Drive 417 423 and 503. And with that, City staff will be happy to answer any questions or concerns. Thank you. I'll open the public hearing and get the applicant and the audience. You want to come forward and give us your name and address please. Brian Lee 210 North Riverside. Okay. Cross the street. Okay. Mr. Lee, I believe that this property had a variance approved on it in the past. Is that true? Yes, sir. OK, twice. And twice. Okay, and what what year was the last one granted? 22, I believe it was right in the middle of COVID and what and what happened? What happened from that time period to now? What caused the delay to get you to this spot? Mostly, while there's health and finance, mostly. But it was, and then the COVID course threw a wrench in everything too. I think it was 21 actually. So in, 22 March 9th of 2022, the Planning and Zoning Board approved all of their requested variants. The requests tonight are the same that were approved on March 9th of 2022. Any of anybody else have any questions? I just have a question because I walk the property and I ride down there every day. And my question was the cocaine or rock retainer wall. To the east of that is all, it looks like marsh. Mangrove. Mangrove. It's wet. It's wet. Okay, so that doesn't come into play with the variance going, you know, he says from the mean high water level, that mangrove stuff. So he's also requesting, so typically it's the St. John's requirement, the city's codified it, most cities have it, is typically there's a 25 foot upland buffer from wetlands on this site that would push the property further towards Riverside. Right. Right. I'm just I guess I'm thinking hindsight is that something that we need to look at? You know, in current. Well, so the, yeah, I would say yes because we keep approving variances for this. I think typically so in the comp plan right now in the land development code, it kind of talks about shoreline protection. That's why we have the 50 foot, we have the 25 foot upland buffer and that's also to preserve some of the open space on the river. We also have a policy of not hardening the shoreline. Now he's not doing that on this one with his sea wall, but actually in order to use a sea wall at the city, an engineer has to prepare a report for the city demonstrating that any other kind of technique for bank stabilization won't have a positive outcome and so that the only solution left is to harm it. And so that would need to be re-looked at as far as the policy if we want to encroach in this area. So right now he's wanting to encroach the 25 foot upland by how much, how far away can all the wetlands can be right up against the corner of the house? Yeah, so the property actually has, there's a right after the Bokina rock retainer wall. There's, it looks like there may be a conservation. He's been based on the survey in that area. And it's also flood zone AE. So it's in the 100 year flood zone there. And right now, he's noting from the main high water line, he has a setback of 32.38 but it doesn't indicate the setback from the Kokina Rock line. So maybe let me put the survey up and then well and then it looked so the Coquina wall is actually already there. Correct. Okay. That was done during the first or second periods. Gotcha. There. Does it tell us that Bob's picture showed me that the wall was already there. The only other question I had was, are we going to end up, same thing I said with the whole stem wall thing not too long ago? Are we inadvertently setting ourselves up for another variance request? Because like the way his site plan is right now, you have nowhere for a swimming pool. So 20 years fast forward, 10 years fast forward. You know what we want to put in a swimming pool? There's only one place for us to do it. And it's right in the middle of that conservation easement. It's actually going to be incorporated into the structure. Into the structure. OK. All right. That was the question. I have a local builder already talking with him about how it's going to be done. He's done it at his house. Correct. The pool is going to be incorporated into the structure. Into that 41 by 71 footprint there. OK, thank you. And just so you know, during that 100 year, the first 100 year storm that we had, the water never crested the top of that pad that you saw there just like the neighboring property to the north that never went in as garage they're sitting at the same level and if it didn't happen then in plus we're gonna go up with a stem which is gonna say you have to our finished floor be eight and a half feet and that's sitting at five five point one or something like that okay another three feet higher for the finished floor will be eight and a half feet and that's it in that five Another three feet higher for the for the finished floor How are you gonna stop your runoff on your 10 foot setbacks now that you just said you're going up eight and a half feet? Just just the house not not the lane Yes, then wall. Yeah, all the adjacent property like to the south of us. He's got. Oh, he's way up. Yeah, he's way up there. So they're they're they're going to have to do a stem wall here. Right. Because the property is so much smaller. Because they're in the special flood hazard. Comitating storage is required. So cup for cup cup so when you get on these river lots Yeah, you they're gonna start you're gonna start noticing people are gonna be digging out front yards They're gonna bring in fill so I already have a couple spots already on the south and the north end out by the sidewalk That that was part of the plan even deeper if I have to It's deeper. I already have a water retention Designed already in place. Any other questions? Thank you. That's it. Any other comments? Sure. My name is Joe Grobowski, 217 North Riverside, so I am the house to the north of Mr. Lee. And my biggest concern is there's just too many unknowns about the water issue between the two houses. My garage is right now the level of his hat and if you approve a 10 foot setback when he builds his house is not going to be enough area for to absorb the water and the runoff from his house is going to come straight towards my garage door. We already get water in there when there's light rain and that's our entrance into the house. So when you come off my driveway into the garage and you come out the door of the garage you're at the level of his pad right now. And I have 15 feet set back. If he gets 10 feet then I I don't think there's enough room. There's just too many unknowns about how the water is going to run. All the other variances he's looking for, I'm OK with. It's just the 10 foot between the two houses. It doesn't even fit in with an neighborhood. You're talking Riverside Drive, and you're gonna have two houses 25 feet apart in this particular area. I know there's other areas where they are that close, but in this particular area right up the street from where we're standing today, there's no houses out of that close to each other. I have a picture, am I able to share that? So the first one is a bad picture. I'll look at that right now. So that's the pad and when I'm trying to explain is just past the jet ski is where my door is to my garage and that is the same level or even lower than the pad today. So what I don't understand is, you know, is how the stem wall is going to be built, how much dirt is going to be added and how much slope there's going to be to push more water towards that garage door. If you can go to the next picture. I don't think there will be any. The stem wall is going to go up and there's going to be dirt inside the stem wall, but I don't think he's going to be overbrained the grade around the house up at all. That's what my concern is. Yeah. But what I'm looking at is this retaining wall that separates the two of you. Is that coming up at all? Is the retaining wall going to come up at all? Is you're just going to stay that high? That's my wall. I don't plan on. Well, no, no, no. Well, so where I was going with, so you're not the intent isn't to add any dirt to the current. So that kind of, so between your retaining wall doesn't add any dirt to the current. So that kind of, so between your retaining wall and his swell, that's probably going to curb any water from leaving his property. Can we go to the next one? There's a couple more pictures. The building department is the fire that all the water gets retained on the property. So there's the concern is that water right there being pushed. If there's any more dirt added where that white stake is, that white stake is 10 feet. That's what was approved before. And that's before all the concerns in edge water with the water. You know, the issues with water, everywhere in edge water, New Samaritan beach are now. Now for your public comment? True, so is that it might time's up? Yes, sir. Oh, sorry. Next. I'm Richard Harbin. I actually own the other side of Mr. Lee's lot too and I north for a side. The one nice and high with retained wells alongside of it there. As far as, you know, I mean obviously Mariah has been working on this for a couple of years, but there's been, I didn't even realize, first off I wasn't notified that there was any variances requested, I wasn't notified about any of this meeting. So that's a little concerning. I didn't, when was this lot subdivided back off to 16 North Riverside. Can anyone answer that for me? It was it was attached to 216 a couple years ago so they so they could bypass the Permitting to be able to build a dock with no house on the property So last I knew that that lot was still attached So is it still attached or is it has been accepted, subdivided back off? No, I believe it's in subdevide. Okay, well I had no idea. It's still showing 216 on the role. So it should be 211. It is one property right now. The intent of the variances is to decide. Well, I think it should be subdivided before we're given variances. I mean. divided can be subdivided because it would be creating a non-conforming law. Hence the reason to create these, to give these variances to create a law that is essentially non-conforming to a law phase. Okay, well again, it's, it's non-conforming, but his law is 104 feet wide, mine's 100 feet wide. I was more than able to fall within the 15 foot setbacks on both sides. So I'm not feeling a whole lot of that. But I am a little concerned. We put retaining walls up. You and I have spoken, me and planning and some water guys have all talked. And I was required to keep all the water on my property. His co-kina wall, if you're allowing that house to be built right against the coquina, all the rain off the bag of house is going into Lagoon. And I had to run circles and loops with, being a stormwater to keep mine on there. And I have retaining walls around it that got a six, eight inch way to stop the water all the way around the property. I mean, granted right now on the side of Mr. Lee, we were originally talking about bringing the lots up together. That changed, so I will have to still do a retaining wall on my north side. But it is a little concerning, and I don't feel that, I think there's plenty of room in a 15 foot set back on a 100 foot wide lot. So you've built a two story house without having to encourage someone, Mr. Gribowski's lot or towards mine. You know, I agree with Mr. Gribowski as far as, you know, why are we cramming this house in here? If we're going to stories, I mean, my house is 4,000 square feet and I'm well within, I mean, the house is 60 feet wide. I mean, I don't think you need a whole lot more to do that, but. Yeah, and as I said, I didn't know about the subdividing and all that because I mean, it's been a convenience thing for them to, you know, each time. I'm not sure if he's gonna, we've been told he was gonna build three different times, start to build, not build, reattach, do a little more, put a new for sale sign out, whatever. But I just I think yeah, should shoot down at least a side setbacks. Thank you. Thank you. Any else? Or a comment on this question? Just a comment in front of this gentleman had just spoke sidewalk gets flooded all the time there. In front of his house. Because we ride down there and we had a detour around it. So there's standing water that's an issue at present there. And the runoff is a concern. I think we need to really look at that. As the gentleman pointed out, went back to the original 15 yard setback, which I think we've adjusted on other structures I think that would amicable in the sense 15 feet 15 feet yeah what I say 15 yards no 15 feet I'm sorry. 15 feet. 15 feet. 15 feet. You said a first down. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, just to prevent, we can prevent an issue. That would make a difference. I'm not sure. I'm not an engineer. I'm not a... He has a good point about it being just ran off right into it. Yeah. Well, that's what I was ask Mr. Lee, is there any reason why you couldn't bring the house forward? 40 foot setback is the reason for that. Why no? I would prefer about you're asking for four different changes here. So I mean, well, if you want to do that, that's fine. I'd like to get it off the cocaine oil anyway. Just so you know, there's going to be another four foot big cocaine sitting across the top of that. So there's going to be an area that's going to keep the runoff back out of the Galagoon as he said. In other words over the top of the existing there and we went to a lot of trouble to keep it more natural and keep all the vegetation. We didn't fill ours full of 200 loads of sand and stuff. So we deliberately did that and we wanted to keep it more natural. And if you do a single story, I thought a single story, you can do 10 foot setbacks. Is that correct? It's always 15. Setbacks, setbacks. And so on single story on the river, yeah. 10 foot. Right. It's jumps to 15 when you go to a store. So if we do a single story at 10 foot or a two story at 10 foot, is there other than the height being an issue, like you were talking about being close to a fence or whatnot? We have no intentions of fences. But it seems to me that if the city has already told me that what to do for retention Front back sides everything and I've dug out Like I said down in the front and I'm willing to work with both of those guys if they want to go up on those seat on his wall The north side and on his retention down on the north side I'm mean the north side of his property, the south side of mine, down by the sidewalk. We can come up with a plan there, you know, join it up and retain all his water and my water down there. It's just a thought. I know. I know. Floating. Floating. I know. I know. That's not really. That's two years. Basically, George. Other issues have come to surface. Along. We're beside with. Water. Water in the city of Edgwater, it's been in the shore. And I know it's been done past, but we've had things looked at. I was, this is, I've been, I was on the board when this happened, I would be curious if I voted yes the last time. But I had questions right away about it because of the closeness to the vegetation in the back on the east side by the volcano wall and side yard. So can we move the house further? Can we come to the west? We just changed the, what the first? It's a change of front. Instead of it being a 40, make it a 35 in the front. That gives him 10 foot off the back. And then that actually will still have 10 foot on the south. We can reduce the size of the footprint too. I mean, we don't have to. That's just the way the original one was. Or we wanted to reinstate what was done before. We have wiggle room. Yeah. That was going to be one of my questions. So you don't have an actual home engineer. We had plans designed, engineered, and everything for the, like when he was talking about when I was talking about building and a lot of stuff happened. But the reason we attached it also was to get around the building of the dock, but also my father-in-law, who passed away, we have to sell his property. So that's part of the reason that we're selling. I mean, splitting it off, we don't want our lot to go with it. We're planning on just enjoying it with a dock on it with his house and not going into the building. It's a lot of money to build a house, you know. And so, you know that. So the reality is he's gonna have to have his plans restamped anyway. We do. We do. We do. We can actually go. No, I know that's what I was letting them know some of it. Some of the board might not know that right after after a few years. It's not things restamped in the new code. So how do we address it? What discuss now? Well, I mean, I said he was willing to lessen the footprint. So how do we change it? What if we say let's hold the 15 on the sides and then lessen the front set back to 35. That allows him to keep the house. I mean, just 10 off the block that would put us it. I probably will be pretty unpredictable. I was actually talking about the front to back not decide to side. I know, but I'm just trying to see if we can compromise all the way around here. So right now, based on the survey, it looks like the gentleman on a one story, on a one story product to get it 72 to ride. On a two story product, the team dropped back down to about a sixty two feet wide. Which has nothing to do with the water, which it has to do with the house. And then subsequently it would be about 40 feet wide or so. So I think that's part of the, is that it's, it would be kind of like your traditional range of side houses. Yeah. Which is pretty much what the north and the south houses areves are going to be. They're just time-to-other. So there's four requested actions. Can we do down each one in that? How are they going to change? Are they going to stay the same? What's the first one? The first one. Set back to 15 to 10. I personally like the 15 only because it's going to start to look like a subtergeist. Okay. So let's circle that. Okay. So the 15 is going to stay at 15. Well, I'm just saying. No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, we're discussing it for us. And we need conversations like this. OK, the next one. Has that changed at all the size? I mean, reducing the minimum lot size, I mean, I don size I mean I don't necessarily I Don't call about that You know, you guys got a property and if we can figure out a way to Building build was house on that piece of property. Oh, yeah, I agree, you know Okay, no the next one 50 was before I stood back 26 closest point to meet heart. I'm gonna be done this time and time again. Carl's co-down. I know there's a bunch of properties. But it's in this one when we're talking about changing. Well, yeah, I mean this one is something that we would need to look at. If we're moving the house forward on the lot, it's going to be 10 or 20. Right. I mean, I want to exactly one feet on 26. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say is that to me number three, I mean we've done it in the past. There's no reason why we don't do it again and we're talking about potentially changing it anyway. So now we're down. You think of five foot difference on the sides is going to make it go from subdivision look in your words to no subdivision look? I personally, yeah, because across the street for my house is a subdivision that has five foot submax. And it looks like the two weeks. Looks like you're washing dishes. Those are zero lot lines. Those are zero lot lines. But they're not actually zero. They're five feet off the side. Like, oh, yeah. That's not what you're questioning. Yeah, to me, I think, and especially when you start looking at it from a two story perspective where you got two towering tall houses actually take towering. Well, the one to the south is set back farther, so it's not actually side by side. So that's an advantage. And then his, he's somebody who's garage. He's got, I think, a three or four foot stem wall going into his house. So his garage he's referring to is potentially. But we can cure all that with. Right. Now I can remember one of them. If it hasn't happened now, it doesn't make a difference. It never crested the top of that. I have pictures of mine. I didn't bring them, but during the storm, we live across the street. So I was out there during the storm at the peak, and it never went over the top of that. Never went over his wall either. So number four, the reality is the Cocina Walls already sitting there now. So number four, it reality is the Cocina Walls already sitting there now. So number four is already there anyway. It's been there for some time. So do we need to add a fifth? How about splitting the difference on the 15 feet? That way I don't have to crunch my house into a 50 foot spot instead instead of a What is the South Side set back at that short corner. I Don't have a reading glasses on me somebody blow up the survey Where we talking about the South will be the southeast corner That's the narrows part of that lot line. That's ten point That That is the narrows point. That's the ten but. Okay. Well, it's, it's an irregular shape. So the ten, it's ten foot off of Joe's house, his wall. Thank you. That's where I wanted to see Chris. I can't do this. He's got a big old guy. I know a guy. He's a heck of a freak. He's got a big old guy. I know a guy. I know a guy. He's a heck of a freak. I know a guy. He's a heck of a freak. I know a guy. I know a guy. I know a guy. He's a heck of a freak. I know a guy. I know a guy. It wasn't served to the property to the south. How far is your north side setback? So you're 15. So what if we compromise here and say, in real reason I'm saying it this important to note that by granting this variance, you are granting the right to split the property and then to subsequently allow for them to build another house on this new lot. So the variance in and of itself, which doesn't sound like the board has a problem, but I just want the board to be aware of the bigger picture here, which is quite through this variance request. We are facilitating development on the river through the construction of a single family home. That right is quite a powerful right in and of itself, and it has a lot of benefits to that right. And so the request for additional variances, I think would follow. I think the fortune look at it was scrutiny, considering already giving the right to, we've now created a riverfront law, a fire that is now then bestowed upon. So I just want to keep that out, especially keep you in mind with some of the Bigger thing is at some point we have to, I shouldn't say pushback, that's not the right word to use, but it's going to be more consistently enforcing the land development code. So, and I get what Ryan's saying because I mean the reality is right now this isn't a buildable line. Right? Yeah. Right now it's just real estate. Third. So, you know, like I said, I mean for me I like the side setback. My compromise was going to be to hold the 15 feet on the north side setback only because he's got this weird line on the south side and it's 15 feet at the front you know so my compromise was gonna be letting him have his 10 foot on the south hold the 15 on the North and I still kind of would like of would like house come forward west by being to get it off the cocaine block. Any come up to the podium? Yeah it will, it'll make that 10B, that 10B will be like 12 and then the front corner is going to be like 15 or 17. So I personally think that's a good happy medium. I mean, I know it's probably not what you were hoping, but you know, it. I was just hoping to get it reinstated, but if that's makes you happy, that's fine with me. Five feet's not going to kill me. Now you said something about the coquina rock. So you're going to bring more coquina rock up. the big big big four-fold ones. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Right. Set right on top of all that. Creating more of... going to bring more cocaine Iraq up. Just a big, big, big one, four-foot one. Oh, gotcha. OK. Right on top of all that. Creating more of retention from the dry side, which, by the way, there's hardly ever water in there anyway. Right. So how does everyone feel about that? Does that sound reasonable? We tried. Yeah, it's not supposed to be. So we tried. We're holding the 15 on the north. We're bringing the house. Oh, we bring in the house forward. The R.F Five feet, Chris. I think so. I mean, so now we're adding a variance. So we're taking away number one, right. And then we're adding. Allowing of 35 front setback in lieu of a 45 foot setback 40 the right way 40 right so sorry bonny So basically what we're going to do is we're going to say we're holding. We're going to allow. I don't try to get it my head so that this motion is like six minutes long. Yeah. Yeah. Please be be clear do it 47 times All right I'll make a motion to approve VA 2503 with the following conditions To allow a south side setback of 10 feet to add a variance for a 35 foot front setback in lieu of a 40 foot front setback. And the remaining items, two, three and four, as written. Second. All second. Mr. Duane. I agree with that. Mr. Duane. Yes. Mr. Elmofatano. I'm going to say no. Mr. Hatcher. Yes. Ms. Heavener. Yes. Mr. Angecovix. Yes. Chairman Kennedy. Yes. Yes. OK. The next item on the agenda is the Development Services Director's report. Thank you. So, we have a number of projects going through the process here at the moment. We are working on the comprehensive plan update. We plan to have a rough draft by the end of this month out to the public for the goals, policies and objectives. We are still waiting staff is waiting on Senate Bill 180 on the CFECAT sign. Senate Bill 180 gets signed. We will have to put a pause on the comp plan and any end development code update and we will be repealing the more doors. What is this vote expected? We're waiting on the governor to sign a number of bills. He has a number that are outstanding but they've all been passed by the House and Senate and Florida. So some of the ones that we're tracking are that one Senate Bill 180, which would not allow comp plan or land development code updates that are more restrictive. We would not be allowed to do more Toriums. Plats are becoming administrative if that log at sign. So preliminary final plates would be at ministerial process. No longer would need to go to council. Under law. We also try to get rid of P and Z as well. And I always had something else. No, they were trying to get rid of CRAs. They've kind of backed off on that one. Increasing the time on planning review. So they beat up on the building department enough. Now they're coming for the planning planning department So they're tightening up the timelines for planning department on building permits now So it's just an evolution so last year the building department had 10 days to get out single-family home permits Well, that's currently the law And so you know we you know, with just these time constraints are just going to require more staff. That's the bottom line is to get this stuff out. And, of course, you know, the caveat is they like to make you reimburse the permit fees if you don't meet the timeline. So, something to just keep an eye out. while they're also sl slashing your funding. Yeah. All right. Has that plan started? Pardon? As a new senior plan to start. Yes, she has. Yeah. And she's getting her feet wet, getting exposed to all the projects at the city. Newsroom Renabeech has hearing park innovation center. So if you haven't looked at the Farptin local plan, take a look at it because New Sumerna Beach past During Park Innovation Center So if you haven't looked at the Farpton Local Plan and take a look at it because The Farpton Local Plan basically outlined everything that is occurring now 30 years ago So if you want to kind of see the roadmap for what is about the transpire It was put in the county's comp plan about 30 years ago So that's 23,000 units outside of I-95. You are should away from visiting the House. So and I anticipate that the planning and zoning, I'll be bringing into the planning and zoning board the first sets of flats probably in June, July for Deering Park. Okay. And that's all I have. Thank you very much. We'd send it bill two weeks.