7 o'clock. Good evening everyone. It's 7 o'clock on September 11th, 2024 and I'd like to call the monthly meeting of the Aberdeen Planning Commission to order. We currently have four of the six members in attendance so we do have a quorum and can conduct business. Reminder this meeting is being live streamed and it's being recorded. It can be viewed on the city's website at AberdeenMD.gov. Also the meaning minutes are being taken by Stephanie. We request that everybody put their cell phones on silence please. If you do have business before the commission, please make sure you state your name and your address when you come up to the microphone. So our first order of business is the oath of office for our new planning commission member, Mr. William Brown. Can we hold that until the mayor comes? Sure. I believe he is supposed to be here this evening to form that. Okay. Thank you. All right. We'll skip. We'll put that later. Thank you. Moving on to approval of the meeting minutes from the two meetings we had on August 14th and on August 21st. I assume everybody got the minutes that were sent out and they've been reviewed. Does anybody have any corrections or additions to the minutes? Beth, anything from you? Darryl? No. Mark? I don't have anything either to have a motion to approve the minutes. A motion to approve the minutes. Is there a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Okay. So that passes. Thanks, Stephanie, for the for the minutes. All right. So then we will move on to a new item on our agenda, which is public comments. Now the public comments going to be limited to the items that are on the agenda. They are one comment per person and the comments to be no longer than three minutes in length. So, that's not the business items. That's just general public comment. But it has to be about the business items that we have on the agenda this evening. Does anybody have any public comment that they would like to make? Vice Chair, we do have two residents in the audience that want to talk about development code amendments. I know that's not an item on the agenda, but if you would entertain that, I'd certainly appreciate it. You want to do that now? Okay. Come on up. Good evening. My name is Jennifer Coleman. I live at 36, 56 Golden Rose Way in Aberdeen. My husband, Luke, and I are new residents to the committee to see if we can see the committee. I'm going to go to the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can see the committee to see if we can new home. We currently live up in the Gilbert Meadows community and it's beautiful up there. But the code here in Aberdeen is written in such a way that it is incredibly restrictive. Your deck can't be more than 240 square feet and my understanding is that that has only been in place since 2018. Anything larger than that will not be permitted and we can't get a variance for it either. So my suggestion is that the code needs to be reviewed and rewritten, to be more flexible in accommodating. I looked at the cities of Bel Air, at Hava de Grace, I looked at Westminster, and I looked at Anoronal County, and not one of them puts a square foot restriction in their code. Most of them either propose no more than a specific distance into their setback, or a percentage of yard coverage. And to be fair, with this area, with the large number of differences in the size of houses in this area, you've got these beautiful old victory homes, and then you've got all this new development. We're in quite a large home. So putting a fixed value on a deck size seems odd. I would suggest sticking to something like a percentage of yard coverage would probably be considerably more flexible and would be easier for the city of Aberdeen to entertain permit processes because people are going to be able to get generally what they want and you'll probably have a lot less pushback from the residents here. We know in our neighborhood we have residents in EGLE's rest that are having problems. Other people in my own community that are having difficulty getting permits. There's the community of the Aberdeen overlook that's brand new, that's got single family homes going in You got the golf course just behind us that's my understanding is supposed to Accumulate what a thousand homes around that number of homes You're probably going to be running into people that are going to be bumping their heads against this a lot So that's my suggestion and Thank you for bringing that to her attention. I feel like this is something we want to address sometime in the future. Certainly, bring up your attention next one. Okay. No, it makes sense. Yeah, I'm with you. You agree? Yep. Okay. Great. We'll take a little dress out. Anybody else? Public comment. Hi. Michael Hyde, 240-8 Grisha Drive. I have a couple of comments based upon my former position on the planning commission regarding the both plans, preliminary plan setter on the planning commission regarding both plans, preliminary plan setter on the agenda for this evening. And I have a few comments to make regarding the other agenda item. So- Thanks. Either which one you want to be first gottered or the place- We'll do gottered first. Gottered? Let's do gottered. There's not a whole lot. I think I'm already good. Pretty good. Pretty good job here. I just had a couple of questions I was actually starting to talk to some of the MRA folks. I started the meeting. So on this plan for the Guter School, let's see. There are a couple of locations where it says existing walk and I have them highlighted and I'll be happy to show you and even give the plan that I've marked up to somebody for a memory. It just says there are existing walks around there and the two sections of walks are the ones that are along a long drive. How's that? It says existing if you look on the plant and they're not there. Okay? Okay. Under on the top right hand side where it says water and wastewater calculations, this can be obviously answered when they come up and do their spiel. It says equivalent dwelling units at one of the U 250 gallons per day. The 3.780 use and for water and then for wastewater is says three. I don't know what the discrepancy is there and that I'm sure it can be explained also. You see that where it says 1, 3.7 and 1, 3. Oh, usually I think they're typically the same. Okay, so it's all I have on that. Pretty good plan, my opinion. 502 Polesky Highway. I may continue to do this, but I'm good with it. You never know. Okay. Let's see. Really, there's not any issues per se. I had just asked about the fences, this, the gate to be removed on the kind of bottom right hand side of the actual site plan, not all the semantics. But if you look where the proposed building is to the right, it says existing gate to be removed, TBR. So there's a big chain link fence around the site already. And so I just asked if they're going to take the gate out, they're going to close the fence up, or they're going to take the entire fence out. Not that it really matters. I don't think it has to be there either way. It was just a question that I had because along the back closer to the CSX, that section of fence will have to be at least temporarily removed because they're expanding back farther. Okay? And the other thing I have, because this irks me when I drive down Route 40 at night, the car dealers, the lights, the LEDs that they put in a few years back, they're so bright and they really are annoying when you drive down Route 40. This doesn't have anywhere near the amount of lights, but there are some proposed lights and like, request this, and make sure that they're shielded to keep the light going down on the lot and not making light pollution Beyond or not much beyond the site how's that And if there is anyway The dealers to Preston or whatever is called nowadays to get some shields on those lights I would appreciate that and I think anybody that drives through it night time would too. Third agenda item is the swearing at Mr. Rob Brown. I know the mayor's not here yet. So regarding that, he's basically taking a place that I've been relieved of my duties. And so a couple of comments regarding that, just for the record and whatever. So first thing I want to do is I want to thank everybody on the Planning Commission including the absent members tonight, Sam and Deonte and of course Stephanie and Phyllis Enrola and Kyle's not here and Council President Liaison for all their help, support, assistance, and friendship. How's that over the next amount of years that I've known you guys? Let's see. So regarding how this happened, a month ago, four weeks ago, Monday, at the council meeting, and I attend every one of them, unless I'm out of state, at the end of the meeting, the mayor said I intend to appoint Will Brown to the planning commission. And I, you know, radar went off, and who's coming off? Because we have seven members, we have a good commission. And so nothing, nothing, nothing. Then two weeks later, and everybody was asking, like, well, who's coming off, we need to know. So two weeks later, at the next council meeting, at the end, right before the meeting, he sent out an email to everybody on the day, as the mayor and council, that it was going to be me. Surprised to me? Hey, I didn't know. So I immediately, that evening, sent him a text and tried to call and I say, let's talk about this. All right, because there's nothing to be an official yet. And I said, OK. He said Wednesday. We met here two days later. So two weeks ago today, we met right here in this chamber for an hour, and I asked him, what's up? He said, well, the minute that I became the chair, he wanted to take me off because of the appearance of impropriety. And I wrote that down because I'm quoting him. And I thought to myself, why? Well, because the council president, it's Zilié's on and he's also my son and he thinks that's a, you know, creative appearance of impropriety. I disagreed, okay, and we have, I said, what's the difference between vice chair and chair? And he said, not much, that's what he said And he said, not much. That's what he said, too much. And I'm like, OK. So that was one of the issues. And about by the way, as you all know, we're non-binding. We can say whatever we want, and they can do whatever they want. And that's always the case. And as balancing that or throwing it off balance, you have a council member Tim Linnacamp, who makes binding decisions, and his wife is on the board of appeals, and they make binding decisions. So there's just something, it doesn't make sense to me that I'm coming off for that. And then he came up with some other off the wall reason, but he said that was the mean reason. But I received a phone call prior to our meeting that we had when we had the reserve at Greenside, the wetlands. I received a phone call from Michael Juller who had a working relationship for 25 years as my county inspector. As a county inspector, well during that phone conversation he called me prior to the meeting where we looked at the plan. And he said, Mike, that's Mike Juller, you know, He said, what do you think of the plan? What do you, what do you got any ideas? And I said, well, I'd like to see another pool, okay? It's just, this is not, you know, it was an extortion. I think the area where the most concentration or residence where they have another pool up there. He said, hey, good idea. I like to make plans better. It's the job of this planning commission to make recommendations to improve plans. It will, yes. Among all other responsibilities. And the other question he asked me was, at the intersection of long drive and Gilbert Road, you know, that's going to be a lot more crowded as well the development in Phil's takes place over there. So do you think it would be better to have a traffic light there or around about? I mean, it's me. So listen to me. I said, around about. So when the plan came through, the reunification of our plan, it had those two items on it. And so at the meeting with Patrick two weeks ago today, he brought that up. And as he said, I shouldn't have done that. He said, the conversation he had with Michael Euro developer, and he said that it seems like you, me, extorted him, I think that's the word he used, or held it over his head to put the pull in and he didn't mention around about it. I did. Put the pull in and you'll get the votes to get it through this commission. You all know that's not true. I mean, that did not happen. Okay? I never asked him that he asked me. There was no tit for tat. You do this and I'll do that. And I didn't ask any of you to, you know, you're influenced on anything. We had a lot of issues that night. We put it in a balance. Roller had a bunch of issues that night. We put it in a balance. Roller had a bunch of stuff, furlaces stuff, there was stuff about schools, right? So, you know, those are the reasons that he gave me that he was throwing me off and he had two votes to make that happen. He had Tim Lindicamp and to be consistent, he did, Tim didn't vote for me when Patrick nominee me years ago because I had spored with his now deceased father-in-law Bruce Garner when he was on the council, okay? And there were legitimate disagreements. So Tim did a vote for me to be on here. So at least he's consistent, right? Even though his wife's on a board of appeals and they make binding decisions. But then his other vote he got obtained from New Rookie Councilman, Bill Montgomery. And ironically I thought we were friends but I guess that doesn't matter. So at the council meeting this past one day night, just two nights ago, you know, Bogwazir on Shakespeare's hands with everybody before the meeting. And I'm sitting in the back row He comes up to shake my hand. I wouldn't shake his hand. What's up? I said, why did you vote to throw me off the planning commission? Well, he said I believe that if you're you know, he likes to see turnover He likes to see a lot of turnover that people that are there too long, you know And I said really I mean I'm experienced I've experienced, I'm knowledgeable. We have a great commission. And that was your reason, really? It didn't make any sense, you know what I mean? And so, watch out YouTube because you've been there longer than me. And I guess watch out Patrick. He's been there nine years and so is Tim, longer than I sat up here. So, I don't know. That's just, you know, everything that I said is factual. I'd say it in front of Bill Montgomery. I'd say it in front of the mayor if he was here. And I just want to, like, leave it at that for now. I appreciate you all listening to me and getting some facts. And if anybody's watching you on the TV, at least they know why, they're longer here. But I'm gonna be hanging out. And... Well, we wanna thank you for the time you spent on the board and as vice chairman and as chairman. That was short. That was short. That was short. Anyway, thanks. Thank you. Like I said, to be getting everybody, appreciate everybody and the new girl over there. That's right. Like I said, to begin everybody, appreciate everybody, and the new girl over there. And we're gonna miss Stephanie, for sure, in more ways than what, not just here, but all those responsive purposes. You're gonna be hard to replace. Are you? Never mind, I'm gonna ask. Okay, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Anyway, thank you. Thank you. Any other public comments? Vice Chairman, we can administer that oath now. Council President, we'll do that. Oh, okay. Great. All right. Let's do that then. I'm going to go ahead and move to the next slide. Okay. Yeah, you're going to be right here. Okay. All right. So for the record out of my city council president liaison to the planning commission, the mayor has instructed me and conscripted me to give the oath to Mr. Wolfbrownsnight as the newest member of the planning commission so Congratulations to your acceptance of the role and we wish you the best in this position, all right? I appreciate So we're finished right now I and station A. I William E Brown Do you support the Constitution of the United States? Do you swear I'll support the Constitution of the United States? I would be faithful under true allegiance to the Constitution of the United States. Do you swear I'll support the Constitution of the United States? That would be faithful under true allegiance to the State of Maryland. That I'll be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of Maryland. And support the Constitution and laws thereof. And support the Constitution that laws thereof. That you will to the best of your sale in judgment. And so I will to the best of my skill in judgment. Dilgently and faithfully. Dilgently and faithfully. Infectually, infectually without partiality and prejudice Excuse the office of planning commission according to the Constitution on laws of the state Excute the office of planning commission according to the Constitution the laws of this state Thank you Thank you There's a seat right up here. Oh, very bad. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, it's nice. Well, I don't know if you want to give us a little summary of your background or something. Don't want to put you on the spot. Just something. Certainly. So I've lived in, I'm originally from the great state of Florida, but I am a happy mayor now since 2018. I'm a Pope at ministry at Aberdeen Church of Christ, but my background actually before I went into ministry was public administration, but I've had a love for government all my life. And all I wanna do is write by my city and write by people. And I'm thankful the opportunity, wherever their circumstances are, but I'm happy for the opportunity. Welcome. Okay, so let's move on to our business items. So first one is the review of the preliminary site plan Okay, so let's move on to our business items. So, first one is the review of the preliminary site plan for 502 Poleski Highway. Do we have representatives? Come on up. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Jeff Mathye with Morrison Richie and here with the developer of the property back there. This is a 1.05 acre arsel that's located on Route 40 and Beardsell Road. Here's 40, here's 2. Is it existing recently? I think we've been, uh, recently, rather the storage lock right now with a fence around it. It's zone B3 highway commercial. The, like I said, I mentioned the existing use is gravel storage lot. There was a FSD environmental features map was submitted to the town, and that was approved. And also we submitted an F's far conservation plan stormwater management concept plan And a landscape and leading plan and I think they're still under under review We did get comments back on the stormwater management concept plan The proposed use is auto sales commercial, which is within the falls under the zoning code under the beef re-zoning. There is a theme of flood plain, but it's not located on the site. Basically, the new 40 here, and it's a J-centre site. basically buildings. Move for you here. And if you want, it's a J center to site, but it doesn't touch the site. Let me make sure that the per the code that the building is at a minimum of two feet above that elevation. The, we have a water stub, which is available and a sewer which we have a Memorandum of agreement with the city. We still have to design that. It's actually in 40. We would have to get a work with State Highway and get a utility, State Highway Utility Permit for that because the sewer is actually in the room 40 right away. The entrance, we have two entrances. Just, the site, as I mentioned, it's only an acre, so it's not a lot of room. There's also a fair amount of environmental buffers in the back and along here. So basically this is really the only developed area of the site. So we have just kind of a one way entrance in and out. We're fairly wide and one of the comments on the city was we need to work and make sure this isn't too close And one of the comments on the city, we need to work and make sure this isn't too close to a room 40 and that's something that we look at and we're still waiting in comments back on the SHJ line. But there's options that we can other things do. We do like the flow of traffic, the loop around, we think that's the best of this problem. So, and also there's the best of this problem. And also there's a desolation lane here, 140. There's very flat, there's plenty of site distance in all directions, so that's not an issue. We don't think there will be a, there will not be a chewing issue. If there is any kind of pull through the building or store or whatever Because there'll be two lanes here anybody to pull off and pull right off and come in if there's any We do not see any safety or issues But that's something we'll work out as we move forward I know that property is not in a floodplain. And that property has changed multiple times with the FEMA mapping. But it currently is not in a floodplain. But I just want to say that I'm not in a floodplain. I'm not in a floodplain. I'm not in a floodplain. I'm not in a floodplain. I'm not in a floodplain and that property has changed multiple times with the FEMA mapping but currently is not in the floodplain but I just want you to be aware and really there are the property to be aware that our director of public works has done some high water rescues there with people stuck in cars because that reform is prone to flooding when we have significant rainfall. So I really want you to be mindful of that when you're designing that entrance. And we have not received comment, shut back from the State Highway Administration, I'm assuming we will. Beard's road extended is a city road, but I know that they will weigh in on that intersection. That was one of my comments that I wanted to make. He stated that the auto sales is permitted in the B3. I think we've kind of been back and forth with the uses on the property but the plan does say auto sales so I'm gonna assume we're gonna stick with that and we're not gonna have an accessory apartment above. No. Okay. Alright thank you for clarifying that. Landscaping was submitted. I'm gonna finish my reviewifying that. Landscaping was submitted. I'm going to finish my review on that. It did go to the Architecture Review Committee. Since it's in the Route 40 overlay district, and I think they found the plan to be acceptable, Stephanie. I'm going to provide comments. At the time of the ARC, the plan was still pretty preliminary, and there wasn't an exact use pin down. So we kind of left it at there will be another meeting to discuss. Now that the plans are a little bit more finalized. And after this planning commission meeting. And I mentioned that to the developer he knows we have to come back. So that's it really for me. Okay. Well anything from APW. I'll just mention that we did review the Concept Stormwater Plan and I'm okay with moving forward based on our comments to resubmit as site development. So that's, you know, that's been done. I think they do have a water line stub that's dependent on our getting water from habitat grays which we actually don't have right now. And if we don't get it then there's no water but we do fully expect to get it from what I understand right now just not yet. And then there is an MOU which I probably should have provided a copy of and I can send it through Stephanie or Phyllis, a copy of the MOU that we have signed with Basum that will allow him to tap into the existing force main that's on Route 40. The understanding is if we do get a gravity line in the future it will be his responsibility to tie into a gravity line but since we don't have any right now then we have this agreement we don't have approved sewer connection plans yet so that would be something that Jeff would we still have to do. Still pending. That would be whatever final engineer and plans. Yeah. I also, I think I made them aware since we don't, you know, we didn't pin down a use or a water demand, but if it's more than 5E2Us, they would have to do an APFO study with initial conversations. I don't think that they're thinking of doing any more than one or two with this particular plan. One. One. One bathroom, I believe. Okay. Yeah. That's it. Jeff, could you answer the question about the fence? I was out there today. It's a new fence, you know, six feet high. Give or take looks really like it's eight foot high. But the whole site or the majority of the site's fence is a portion of that's going to be taken down. I'm assuming it is because it kind of looks like a storage lot without a building on it or a use on it. I think some of the fence goes through, I believe. Everyone here. For the fence is more of a year or so, I probably would have to be getting down. How much for about decisions been made yet? For sure, because I mean, if it's going to be auto sales, you may want the whole thing to be fenced. So maybe we can use a portion of it and relocate some of it. It's something, it's something. If your client could just answer that question and get back to us with what they're going to do. If it's going to be, it's all gravel now. So portion that is going to have to be by two minutes or concrete, because that's what the code says. As far as all the tribal areas have to be that. So I'm sure that you're addressing that with roll of two as far as all the tribal areas have to be that. So I'm sure that you're addressing that with roll a two as far as stormwater management. The parking will be all in two minutes. And any fence we do put up, we have to get a permit through the city for any fencing. Beth, questions coming? What type of auto-sales? Good question. Use auto-sales. Okay, I'm trying to understand an unbelievable view. That parking spaces, you only have six parking spaces. So where would the cars go? I believe some of them will be inside, right? I mean that's... We have... We have 13. Seven is required. Correct. But... I would think you would have more than seven cars. Where are the cars going to be displayed on the lot? Yes, ma'am. It's going to be just a mini car. I use car. Not. Not. Oh, sir. Could you come up and identify yourself? Yeah. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Basem. I live in Towson, Maryland. And yes, it's going to be a mini car dealer. So what's gonna be inside the building? more of a if we have like an expensive cars would go inside for display I was just trying to understand the parking spaces in the rear seem quite large like they they're for larger vehicles than a regular car. Understood, but it's meant for smaller vehicles. I think it was like the biggest we can put in there is a smaller van or... I thought it was 20 from my team. What I initially looked at and saw the size of the parking, I thought maybe it was RV sales. I didn't know. So, I'm just curious. And I mean, that's what I have in mind right now is just a smaller mini-card dealer if any of that changes in the future. Well there be an area inside the building to do. Is there an area inside the building to do mechanical work on these cars. As of right now, no, that's not the intention. That's my only comment. Okay. Gary? No, I'm getting ready to ask the same question about the amount of cars being on there, because I had the exact same question but seems like you answered that so thank you. Sir. Mark. I too asked about the hill. I've written down here about the garage. So there's nothing, there's no bay or anything there to prep the cars, wash them, anything like that, all change, anything. We're not intending to do any mechanical work inside. Mostly, my thoughts are just for display. So when you go into a winner and you just want to view the vehicle where it's clean and not full of snow, mainly that. And the second floor is going to be used for what? There is no use. There's stories. There's no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. There is no. something that says two story here. So understood. Okay. Yes. If we approve it. Yes sir. The other, I think this is, I think the correct title for this road is Beard's Hill Road extended. I'm not mistaken. Just want to make a note of that on your plans. And Beth asked my question about what kind of vehicles use, so higher end, like, I guess, like green puffs. So my thoughts are we're going to probably be a niche with Jeep, like selling jeeps and pickup trucks. OK. That's why it's a smaller, so it'd be more of a niche. OK. Yeah. That's interesting. OK. I don't have any other questions. Yes, sir. William? Yes, I have one question. Will any of them be electric vehicles? Because I know there's a push for electric vehicles. Will that be any consideration as far as high end vehicles? Is that a consideration? No, thanks. No. OK. As of right now, I don't know enough about electric vehicles to get into it. No, that's not my intention at all. Thank you. I just have really one question, because I was now that I know what you're putting in there. Have you, do you have other lots like this around? Or is this your first endeavor into this? So my father's always been selling cars. This is something that I'm getting into newly. Yes. Okay, just curious. Oh no problem. My background I work on heavy equipment. That's what I do. Safety Inspector. Oh, okay, cool. Thank you. So any other questions or comments from anybody on the board? I do have one other question. And this is to roll. What's the time frame for the water and the sewage? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the You're asking when we're going to get water from habitat grays. I mean, the answer changes every day, three weeks. I guess I was understanding that there was a question about the sewage, but you're saying the sewage is good. If you heard it in my voices because we don't like connections into a forced main in general, and which is why we created an MOU with Bossum. And I did it at the instruction of my boss. That's the question. Okay, anybody else? Any additional questions or thoughts? Good? Okay, do I have anybody, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And I had you down here. I'm so sorry. Forgive me. It's all good. It's all good. I wasn't here the last time you cheered. So yeah. That's right. Yeah. The only question I had other than what it's already been asked was, to clarify from your presentation, what's the traffic flow that you intend for the direction of travel because on the map? I think it shows coming in right off of beard. He'll extend it off of 40. I think your presentation. How did going the other way? Okay, just want to be I just wanted to be sure that it was it was matching up because I think you'd bring you presented it was going from the the back entrance to the front entrance Right I just want to clarify it. Thank you Okay was going from the back entrance to the front entrance. Right. Good. I just want to clarify it. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Do I know for the discussion on is anybody want to make a motion regarding the plume site plan? I make a motion. We accept the plume site plan of 502 Classical Highway with comments from staff and comments from the board. And I just want to caveat, if you're going to make it one story come before us, rather than two. Because we're looking at a two story here. But I make a motion that we approve the preliminary site plan again 502 plastic highway with comments taking into the consideration from staff and the board and That's it. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll second all in favor say aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? Yeah. Thank you. The only thing I could add to that is condition approvals if once we get stayed highway. Call all the other. About this. And your MOU. Yeah, I think Mark said about all the staff comments and everything. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so the second item is the Columbia Sight Plan for the Goddard School. Thank you for having us here. My name is Andrew Halter. I am a project manager with more some richy associate's. I'm here with Amy DePetrio, the principal and charge for this project. The developer unfortunately could not be here tonight. Mr. O'Brien, he represents O'Brien properties. So thank you again for having us here and letting us present this project. So this project is located at the intersection of Adams and Way and Long Drive. Adams and Way is the road that kind of runs north, south, on the left side of the sheet there. Long drive is running from left to right on the bottom. Adam's in way, if you remember, is the proposed road away from the Aberdeen overlook residential community, which is currently under construction. The road itself is mostly constructed. I believe they still have to do some surface pavement and striping. We can see that there is a lot of work to do. We can see that there is a they still have to do some surface pavement and striping. We did hold our architectural review committee meeting on August 5th with the city. And those comments have been received. We actually just received the meetings to moots today. So we will be addressing those comments as we proceed forward. The goal is to start construction in late spring, early summer of 2025. The proposed project is located partially on remaining lands for Aberdeen Overlook and remaining lands of fields of Aberdeen. The fields of Aberdeen development is the right side of the sheet. The Aberdeen overlook is kind of the top left here. If you look closely, the parcel line between the two properties is grayed out with the little Z symbol, which is indicating that we will be consolidating the two lots together to create a single parcel for this development that That consolidation will most likely occur closer to construction drawing approvals Just because the ownership of the land is currently now with our developer and his agreement is not final until he has permits. The field's operating parcel is approximately 1.36 acres and the Aberdeen Overlook parcel is 2.04 acres resulting in a 3.4 acre land for this development. As noted before, the property has frontage on both Adamsonway and Long Drive, but access to the site is gonnaage on both Adam's and way and long drive, but access to the site is going to be restricted to Adam's and way as that is a lower priority road with a less lower speed limit and less traffic. The property is approximately quarter miles from Maryland 22 or Churchville Road and about a half mile west of the Ripken Stadium. So 22 is to the left of your sheet and Ripken Stadium is kind of bottom right. The development is bordered by Aberdeen overlook to the west, which is your page north, which is a mix of single family residential, 344 lots that's detached, attached in villa units. Directly, a budding us in that development is conservation areas. I believe it is a wetland conservation, even though it's, that is no longer the case, it will just be forested. The fields of Aberdeen is to the north or your page East which is 94 single-family two over two's and again that's a budding directly to an area of forest conservation. Long drive is directly to the east or the page south and then Adam some way to the south which is your page left. Across the street from long drive we have a mix of single family detached lots that aren't part of the city of Aberdeen. They are assumed agricultural but they are loot loot density residential. And the property will be zoned, integrated business district, once the consolidation is complete. The slopes in the site are moderate to steep, with average slopes from 5 to 15% with the steeper slopes, along the long drive and out on some way road beds, and then it kind of flattens out as you go towards towards the intermittent streams on that north and west sides of the site. This site is part of the Swan Creek watershed. It are, say, discharged to several unnamed tributaries to the Carson's Rown Creek which is about 200 feet to the north of our site. There are multiple non-tetoe islands areas around the site. We have one that is on the top of the sheet that kind of runs in a north-eastern direction. We have one that starts kind of in the middle of the site and then drains in an, with eastward, north-eastern direction. And then we have one that's on the very, very east side of the site that just drains in a north-eastern direction. These had been delineated by GTA as part of the every no-look in fields of Aberdeen developments. And those dates were from September 2021 and July 2020 and they were confirmed earlier this year by GTA personnel. A variance was submitted for this project for the disturbances within the 50 foot flood protection setback. It's new, it's the FPS line work that you see that kind of runs along the edge of the stream. That variance case number was 818 and that was approved by the Board of Appeals. This site is now within the Chesapeake Bay Criticlareo and it's part of the ZONE X FEMA flow plane which is the less than 500 year storm event. The closest FEMA flow plane for this site is at the confluence of the Carson's Run with the unnamed tributaries that drain through our site. The MDE joint permit application, which is the permit that will allow this development to actually impact any of the state's resources was recently completed and it is anticipated to be submitted later this week. The site is currently mostly forested. There are several areas of cleared area that are now kind of lawn or meadow areas. But if we go back in time, both of these, this entire site was part of the Aberdeen Overlook and Fuse of Aberdeen forest and delineations, Forest and Illinations. Forced and Illinations. And per the city we are allowed to use those moving forward as the forest conservation plans have been approved. We have submitted a new forest conservation plan to the city. It's currently under review based off our preliminary cleaning numbers. We do not anticipate having to provide any offsite mitigation as we provide enough on-site forage conservation. There also are news specimen trees that are to be removed as part of this development. Moving on to the proposed use. So we are proposing a 12,600 square foot gathered school which is a early childhood education I like to call a daycare center which is in the center of your site here. It is two stories where the first floor is the classrooms and the second floor is primarily for storage and the employee lounge. There will be no formal kitchen associated with this project in the sense of that, you know, they'll have refrigerators and they'll have sinks, but they won't have fires or ovens or anything to actually prepare food. I think they'll probably have microwaves as a lot of times that's used for daycare facilities. Their facility will include an indoor gym for days when it is not so nice. They also will have a 16,800 square feet of outdoor artificial turf areas that will be utilized for playground, playground area, outdoor classroom, discovery areas. If you talk to the developer, he has a long list of potential uses for the play area, but it's a very important aspect to this project. It's kind of like the goal to the project is to have as much out-to-er spaces as you can. This building has a five foot sidewalk that encompasses the building and then all classrooms that are in this structure will exit directly into the playground area. All right. exit directly into the playground area. Getting to the retaining wall, so we do have two retaining walls prepared on the say. One that runs along the west and northernly sides along the environmental features and one that is kind of up here at the corner of Long Drive in Adamson Way. This retaining wall on the north and west side ranges from 10 feet to about 20 feet at the highest point, whereas the wall over here by Adamson Way will be about 10 feet tall at its tallest point. The wall that goes around the play areas will have a six foot high fence that is ready for child care center so they have three inches between their slats and I anticipate that that entire six foot fence would extend the entire length of the wall. The interior fencing once they develop their program for the play areas will be a Was it a For sorry a full foot high interior fencing once they divide up their play areas based on their program We do have a WB. B. Gabriel protection system along the parking areas of the rush to the wall. The site will be protected, well, book it a parking. So the site proposes 55 parking spaces. 54 is the requirement per code, which is one per 20 students, a one per employee during its max shift. This facility will have a maximum of 196 students and 34 employees which is 54 parking spaces. The access of for the items in the way it will be a new entrance so we're installing new ADA ramps that proposed entrance and it will be modifying the existing WBN guard rail to kind of curl inside the site instead of as it currently has a crossing throw. There are two signs look proposed for this site, two monumental signs, one at the main entrance and one that will be located along the long drive. That location is still to be determined. It's going to depend a bit on the grades of the site versus the long drive. We want to be visible. And we'll have to plan our plantings around it. The dumpster enclosure for the site is shunned on the bottom side of the parking lot. Kind of just off the long drive here. This was chosen primarily for the easy access for trash vehicles that can just pull into the site, come straight in, and then pull straight out. The enclosure itself will be architecturally matching the building, and then we'll provide screening from long drive so that it's not visible. All right, stormwater management is being designed for the storm Water Act of 2007 with environmental site design. We did submit a concept student water management plan to the city on August 14th, which proposes a submerged government wetland in a large facility on the right side of those plan and then a small section of premium of pavement where we are not, where we are in virgin soils. Same control for the site will be designed in accordance with manland apartment environments and region and semi-control plans. I mean, anticipate a variety of semi-controls from right to cell fence, super cell fence, stabilized construction entrances, and enhanced end or redundant controls along the wetland features where we are requesting our variance to protect any downstream features. All right, moving on to utilities. So why don't sewer service for this? the city. Moving on to utilities. So what are in service for this site will be provided by the city. The current plan is to to extend them from the Aberdeen Overlook development if you go to the bottom left of the sheet at Eleanor Drive and Declan Road extend them down to the site and then stub them for future future connection should it be warranted and then we'll be able to tap into the water line and we'll be able to tap into the sewer for our services. We are currently only anticipating a two-inch water line and we'll be able to tap into the sewer for our services. We are currently only anticipating a two inch water line and then a separate fire department connection would be routed from the building out to the road in lieu of putting a private fire hydrant on site. So depending on the depth of the sewer, we may or may not need to do a gravity, a small gravity pump station to pump it back up to atoms in a way. Once we have profiles of that sewer alignment, we'll have a better idea on whether or not it's feasible to gravity sewer in. Natural gas and electric service is already on site and it will be provided by BGN. Communication service will be provided by Verizon and Comcast as their Infrastructure is already in place for the Aberdeen Overlook development. Finally, a traffic impact study was conducted by traffic concepts on February 6, 2024. That was submitted as part of this package. We did submit a letter to Phyllis, requesting an exception. I understand that an ordinance was passed prior to this study being completed that kind of changed the way that the studies were handled. I believe I have been heard back from Phyllis by seeing that that was re-wrapped and used that study. So the Keanu sections A study were 22 technology drive, 22 at Outland and Steppeny Road, Long Drive at Gilbert Road and Gilbert Road and Max Road. There are now system incorporated seven approved projects around the city of Aberdeen and based off of their analysis it produces 132 p.m. trips and 133 p.m. trips. That was it for me. I will open up for questions. Okay, Phil. That's a good segue. Let's talk about the traffic impact study that was submitted. So we met today, Department of Public Works and my department met. We were very concerned about the conclusions regarding El Diner's Stepney Road in Maryland 22, and would like response back. There seems to be some conflicting information on page under the conclusions and recommendations. So at one point, one of the bullets is the highway capacity manual results show that all key intersections meet the adequacy standards of our APFO. With the exception of that intersection, Maryland 22 and Aldonner, Stemny Rood. And the Southbound movement operates in an E level service during the weekday AM and F level service during the PM peak hour conditions. But then on page one, it says the overall level service standards is D or better with the exception of that intersection. So I would go back to the traffic consultant and just say you need to correct this data or provide additional justification to that, especially the E8 and F level service. And we're still waiting on comments from the Hartford County government and from the Maryland Department Transportation, SHI, on the traffic study. Okay. Okay. Thank you. We'll pass that on to traffic concepts. That would be great. Thank you. We've been working with Amy DePetro and the owners of the site, you as well, on the challenges of the site with environmental constraints. And Rollo was just whispering my ear about the layout of the site. Why did the parking lot have to be in the front? You know, why couldn't the building be turned? So if you could aim, I know you know this intimately, but if you could explain some of the challenges and what we went through and what were some of the options. Because I think the Planning Commission would like to know that. Sure. Good evening, Amy DePetra, of Marcia Richie Associates. When we were, when the store by and first products this project, we presented to him the natural resources that surrounded the property and we looked at a couple of different options. One of which was shifting the building towards Adips and Way. That ended up not working for them, one because of the size of the building and then also because of the parking. We were not able to achieve the required amount of parking on our side of Adips and Way. So then we looked at perhaps putting a parking lot on the opposite side of Adips and Way, and that presented a lot of logistical issues as far as parents parking walking their kids across the road and walking back and it just seemed like it was we were creating more of an issue than we were helping. Then when we looked at turning the building 90 degrees, the architectures up here, you can see how critical the layout of the site is and how the building operates. So the entrance is there at the front of the building. here. Okay, I'm not going to try to do that again. But the fund of the building is at the parking lot so parents can easily come drop their children off and then exit the site. Then once you enter the building and the classrooms are located on the right or right and left side of the hallway, they're very by the children's ages. And then from there they each have a door leading out to their play area on opposite sides of the building. And those play areas are again programmed for specific age groups of children. So we did spend a lot of time and effort coming up with this plan and do feel it is the best layout that we could provide on this site. That said, it's an outstanding location with the amount of development that's going in. We anticipate that there's going to be some with the amount of development that's going in. We anticipate there's going to be some young families in the area that are going to need child care. And we really think this is going to be a great use of this corner. Thank you Amy. That was good. I think it's a good use for the property as well. It's very constrained though. But you're providing one extra parking space. You know, I think it's a good use for the property as well. It's very constrained though. But you're providing one extra parking space. So what happens if it's so successful and they need additional parking because they have extra teachers? Then what do we do? They're actually restricted by the state to the number of students and the number of employees are directly related to that. So those numbers that were quoted earlier, that I believe the 196 and 34, are what is permitted by his state permit. Thank you. I sent you my comments, they were minor nature, but if you would address those, please, and the comment about the sidewalk that my cob had if you could correct that on the plane too Absolutely, yeah some of the Baseline workers from the Aberdeen Irving Look development. So that's actually just a sidewalk that's part of the Aberdeen Irving Look development So it is Intending to be there and we will correct that with our next plan. Roll anything. I just wanted to say that I did receive the Concept Stormwater plan. I sent it to our third party reviewers and I literally received comments back like three hours ago. So I can probably take a closer look at the concept storm water. I also want to thank MRA for using the alignment on the water and sewer that the city requested. I'm really happy to see that when the plan came back. I do hope that we'll make the profile, the depths work so that we can keep that a gravity line. Okay. Where are you sending the shiasme start down this way? I didn't want to throw you off. Do you want me to come back to you? No, I would. You good? OK. So the question I had was, I don't know if it's too early, what age group are you looking at, and then what time were the kids going to be there, or lower the hours, I guess, because that would affect traffic and everything else. Great. I believe the hours were 6.30 to 6. And then the age group, I believe, caps at 4. So I want to say, kindergarten, they are moving on to a different facility. Is this the building similar to the building up in Hickory? Yes. How many Goddard schools are there in Harvard County? It's a franchise. The developer of this program, I believe, has five between Hartford County and Baltimore County Obviously you can go anywhere in the United States you can find a Goddard school though So it's a curriculum that is the Goddard school He's a franchisee and he will be building the school and then running it with the Goddard program Okay, and it's Preest it's pre-school was that so what it is okay You answer my question on the almost 17,000 square feet of artificial turf. I'm thinking you know Stadium but I believe may we try to get talking down off that yeah, let's say less constraint But it wasn't happening But you explain that what else have. I think that was it. So I think you and Mr. O'Brien will have a waiting list, probably years, for kids to get in there. So. Karen? But you say it's going to be a two-story building, correct? Correct. So you can kind of see off the architectural renderings from the From the building it's just like a single story the second floor is actually kind of hidden into The back of the building there where you can Start to see where kind of pops up so that's where the employee lounge and their break room will be and I think they'll have some storage up there as well. Yep, I mean that's all ahead. Okay. It doesn't state on here that this is a two-story building, just a square footage, so maybe that should get in there. Understood. Sorry, my mic's not on. Okay. I'm sorry my mic's not on okay The for its that was the forest conservation plan was one of my questions Since these are the remaining lands aren't they currently already being used for forest conservation for the over for So the other the. So the overwork. The overwork. The overwork. Yeah, the overwork. The overwork partial was as part of the forest contribution plan had it as cleared. So that was an anticipation, I guess, of it being used for something. The fields of Aberdeen partial was netted out. So we actually had to bring the fields of Aberdeen piece and put our requirement with that. And I apologize, I'm not a orange kibar contact. So I don't. And that's getting me too much. Okay, all right, because it's pretty much all trees right now. And I just wanted to make sure. And there's no trees on the fields of Aberdeen because the putting buildings, I just want to make sure. The other, I had some confusion with the parcels, but if this goes through, they'll be combined. Because the existing parcels now have different, they're not atoms in light. The one parcel is long drive and the other parcel is Gilbert Red, which is how they were listed on the board of Appeals application and it's different on here right now. It shows out up in way as a property address, but the two parcels, one's a long way on SDA T and the other one is 900 Gilbert Road. Okay. Yeah, I'm not sure how the address and got associated with those parcels. Okay, but that'll be corrected. Yes, and address will reach out to the primary emergency services to request an address for the property. Okay, and we assume it's gonna be addressed off of Adam's and because that's where the entrance is. Now the 2.04 agro parcel was a part of an annexation agreement for the nine acres that came in in 2022. So it doesn't have to have an APFO. The APFO is based on the load demand and since they're only asking for 3.7 which probably should be 4 then but still under 5 right so we only require it if it's 5 or more. Okay. All right. And we do not have the comments from MDOT or SHA for the traffic. We do not have comments back from the county because long drive is a county road. Yeah, so they've been sent to SHA and to the county, but I don't anticipate getting comments back from SHA at least the county. But as part of the traffic study, Maryland 22 was, right, and my comment, wouldn't that come? That come was about the traffic, getting comments back on the traffic impact study. And I think I said that earlier. Okay, but we don't have, we have not got that. I don't have those comments to share with you yet, but when I get them, I will. Oh, yeah. So that would be one of the conditions I would ask for. Okay. And then regarding the school, what's the question for, I mean, it's been a long time. I don't know, I'm not sure. I probably have it in notes somewhere, but I don't know it off the top of my head. Okay. And they only go up to four years of age. There'll be no older daycare provided for if you have a child. Like what, before and after care table? Yes. No, that's not the intention. No. No, so it's only, yeah, it's zero or six weeks to. Yes. No, that's not the intention. No. No, so it's only, yes, zero or six weeks to correct. Four years old. Okay. All right. And that is it. Okay. Just one thing towards best comment, Mr. Bryan, correct? He's the operator the owner operator. He did explain us in detail with the mayor that they are required under state law to have so many spaces available for children of need that meet that threshold for income besides offering it to people that don't have that requirement. So they'll be both by state law. And I do have the information regarding the tuition. I'm happy to afford that to Mrs. Grover, and she can distribute that so you guys have it for your records. Now I know Goddard's everywhere. This is a standard They all look the same pretty much Piaver take more or less. This is the standard Goddard layout. Okay. Okay I was a little confused when you started Talking about the project so they it's coming together with two separate ones coming from one one's coming from different and they're coming together But that agreement hasn't been reached yet That hasn't been Signed deal we have a look at agreement with both owners That is good until July of 25. Okay, okay. And that's contingent on everything else getting approved. Correct, yep. Then they would, then they would, okay. I assume there's an out to that though. There's always an out to something, that's okay. Yeah, I think that that was, those were my only questions. Council President, did you have anything you wanted to add? Just I think one comment I was able to attend the zoning appeals meeting so I got a lot of feedback then about the project and look forward to seeing it in the area. Looking on Addams and Way as there are two center meetings, if the lack of a better term, is there going to be any indicator on either one of them about traffic coming crossing over them from the exiting or entrance of the site so that people are aware of cross traffic basically there. So I'm looking at it as I'm coming out of Abernover look. If someone was to turn in there or someone was to come out of Abernover of the Goddard School, they may not be aware of traffic on coming if it's like a guest to the neighborhood or coming into the site. You know, there's a good indicator. There may be some cross traffic potentially in there. So I just didn't know there's any indicator remarking in that median or in that area of vicinity knowing that there's going to be potential. For calls. It's certainly something we can look into when we propose our access plan to ROLA and her team to see if they would like any additional signage on Adam some way for this development. I don't know if it's a requirement. Sure. But I don't think there'd be pushback if we put some extra signs out there. Just as I see it as coming out of there and potentially someone coming out of the overlook who's not familiar of the area or is visiting me coming from the other side and coming out this way. Just don't know that it's there. It's a through road. So. Adam, can I just add one more thing I meant to say this. When you're going down Adamsonway, there isn't enough room to make the left hand turn into where the Goddard school's going and a car to go by. So there is no left hand turn. Currently the road is not wide enough with the median strip and where it is. The the berm that's in here, whatever you want to call it. It's not wide enough for two cars to if you're waiting to turn into the Goddard School coming from Aldano Stepney to long drive. A car cannot get by you. That is that is correct. I'll say two very small cars. It is probably 18V-wide at that median strip, but yeah, can we sum to move, look into is if we need to shave back that island a little bit to provide additional clearance. I don't know if it's necessarily a requirement to have a designated turn lane into the Goddard school, but there probably is enough space for a vehicle to kind of pull off and then weave here and then make their turn in. But I do understand your concern and we will look into it. Thank you, Adam. That's it, thank you. If I could just real quickly clarify on the properties. So there will be a consolidation plan that is brought before you. Once we get further through and pull those two properties together, the reason I want to wait to do that one is because it's in two internships right now. So our client will purchase it, consolidate it together, but then also that gives us the ability to establish the easements for storm and air management, forest conservation, all of that on that same plat, when it went through all of the engineering process. If that helps. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Okay, anybody else having? Well, on that same note, I know you said it earlier and I'm trying to remember. And that's dependent on them getting site plan approval on permits, getting permits. What is that consolidation plant dependent upon with us? Well, they're going to have to close on the property because you can't they can't have Ed Gold and Peter Rosworth in the two pieces and have them consolidated. So our client will have to purchase the properties from those two entities and then they can consolidate the pieces. They just want to get further through their entitlements process before buying the property. So they're under contract with Ed and with Peter to buy the properties. I would assume they'd want to get through the City Council process. Yes. As well. Yes. It's typically the Permanary Site Plan goes to the City Council. So it just sounds like Site Plan approval all the way through. But not like permits or anything. I'm not privy to the details of their contract but they may very well have in there that green permit is when they will purchase the property. We're not privy to their legal documents. Any other questions? Comments? Okay do we have, sorry, lost my. Do we want to break the head? Do we have comments from transportation and state highway? Is in that what? I mean, we didn't have them on other projects and we didn't vote. I think it, from our past, it really depends on the project, the size of the project and what we've seen in the past. I don't have, I mean, we can, somebody can make a motion. I don't know, do you want to move forward with it? I mean, what's the, I assume you have questions, you have concerns about, you want all your ducks in a row before row or do you want to make a motion and have it contingent on the receipt of those items? I mean, I don't know if any of the comments would change any of our opinions. Well, it's not unusual for us to then leave, you know, fill us finds them to be questionable, then it doesn't go through. And we will be back before you for final site plan. Okay. So anybody want to make a motion on the project? I make a motion that we accept the preliminary site plan for the God of School of Aberdeen contention on the, well, first off, I'll make a motion that we approve the plenary site plan based on the comments from staff and the board contention on the comments we're going to get from State Highway Administration and the traffic study. We've got the traffic study in there, right? I'm the county. And the county. It would be the county and the State Highway Administration. And do we have a second? A second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay. Past. Thank you Anyone opposed? Okay. Past. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. The last thing I have on my list, and I don't know if anybody has anything else, this is Stephanie Specter's last meeting with us, and she's moving on to other endeavors. This is Stephanie Specter's last meeting with us. And she's moving on to other endeavors. So Stephanie, I just want to make it official. Thank you for everything. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thank you very much. The past six and a half years with the City of Aberyne. I told Phyllis this and the other staff, but I really couldn't have asked for a better job out of college. I have really enjoyed not only the job and professional growth that has come with it, but just the personal relationships that are something that I'll have for the rest of my life. So I hope that we stay in touch. I will be in Aberdeen. I'll be at October Fest. So hopefully I will see everyone there. And really thank you so much. Thank you. It's been great working with you. Thank you. Adam, anything you'd for the board or? Just echoing the comments just to definitely about her time with Aberdeen. She came on not long before I came on and it's great to get to work with you and work with you. And I know your impacts and your stamp on Aberdeen will be here for a long time. A lot of different projects that you guys worked on, especially a lot of these projects that are happening on the west side right now. So wishing you the best for the everything. And please don't be a stranger to Aberdeen. And otherwise the Planning Commission, not Planning Commission, the City Council has a work session on Monday night. We'll be discussing the definitions and the recommendations that you guys provided to us at your August special meeting. So of course, welcome to attend. And if they have additional comments, they can certainly ask you then if you desire. But that will be upstairs. Let's 6 PM on Monday night. OK. I have to say a few words. Oh, sure, Mark. A couple of things. I want to welcome Will. To the Planning Commission. As the senior Planning Commission member here. I'll say to you what I was told by Joe Swisher 22 years ago. It takes about 15 to 24 months, really, for everything to gel. We meet once a month, since really 12 months, 12 times a year, unless we have a special meeting. So you might meet 14, 15 times a year, tops. Ask questions, there are no stupid questions. There are no embarrassing questions. Ask it of us. Ask it of the staff. Especially ask it of the people that stand before us. It would be more than happy to answer your question. If you don't know what an acronym is, you don't know what a squiggly line is on a plan. We're all citizen planners. We're not engineers. And with some of us work sometimes, but ask away. Do your homework, visit the site. That's the only way you really get to a feeling of where things are, how things are laid out. But I think I speak for the board. We welcome you. OK? The other thing I wanted to say, and the other people very mention it, is I too wish, Stephanie, the very best, but we're going to miss you. Terrificly. That's a word. You have fit in here like a hand in glove. You just fit in so well. The minutes you take are spot on. We have very few corrections. I know Phyllis is going to miss you. She's told me and you two have worked well together. So I can't speak for Phil and Spine. I would think the door is always open for something here at the end. Maybe I'm going to go back. So we are going to miss you. We're going to miss you. And we wish you the very best of luck, truly. In your personal life and also in your professional life. Thank you. But really, like I said, our professional career gear making and thing, but personally, really will be all the same. Absolutely. And lastly, you'll see the board has changed here. Mike Heim, who served on this board faithfully for many, many years, originally as the liaison to this board when he was elected councilperson, and then served on this board as a commissioner, and for many years as a deputy commissioner or vice chair for the board. to say that there's been no board member that has worked harder. His attention to detail, his, again, visiting the sites, his attention to detail, I was to a fault. No. But, and I sat next to him for many, many years and I would get a nudge or, you know, talking to my ear, but it was all for the best of this board. And Mike, everything Mike did was he had the code, the comprehensive plan, the zoning in mind when he looked at those plans. Mike's professional career helped him tremendously because he was able to read the plans maybe a little bit better than any of us could from the get go. And all I was to say, Mike did not put me up to this or it did not know that I was going to mention this. But Mike also attended many of the Maryland Planning Commission Association conferences that have been held very successful. I was held here in Aberdeen that Phyllis it back in 2019, I believe, right before the pandemic. And I can tell you as going with Mike on those conferences that he was engaged, he participated, and he took away from those conferences and those seminars, what was supposed to have been tall and given to us. I, Mike sat on this board with integrity and with the people, the citizens of Aberdeen, always foremost in his mind. So we will miss Mike. We welcome Will. And I'm very proud of this board. Terry's doing a terrific job as chairing this board. He's kind of vice chair, but you are chairing this board for right now. And we have a terrific, diverse board that I'm very, very proud, diverse in gender, race, age, occupation, geographic location of where we live. So I'm going to get it, so anyway. I have an idea. I thank you, Mike, for all of your work. I welcome Will, and I'm going to miss Stephanie. A lot of changes. So a lot of changes. A lot of changes. Thank you. Thank you for the time. That was anything? So we have refreshments here. Please join us. Stay. Say goodbye to Stephanie. You know, we're all going to miss her very much. And it would be very hard to replace her. I will not be able to replace her. But I will have to find someone else. So that's the end of that. I'm not going to say any more about that. Okay. I gotcha. Okay. Anybody have anything else? If not, do I have a motion to adjourn? So move. Oh, there we go. We're going to go.