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I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm going to be doing this. . . . . Good morning everyone. I'm Chair Doug Jeff, J.V. Also your fourth district supervisor. Pleasewein and have her lead off with the remarks in her presentation. Supervisor Neuwen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning. Again, I'm Supervisor Janet Neuwen, and I represent the first district. First, I want to thank the many guesses here with us today., of Vietnam veterans, Republic of Vietnam veterans, and many Vietnamese refugees, Vietnamese Americans that are here with us today. Today, I stand before you, not just as an Orange County supervisor, but as a Vietnamese refugee who has lived the history we are commemorating. The Fav Sagan was not a moment, and not just a moment in history. It was an event that changed my life, my families, and millions of Vietnamese refugees around the world. My family, like many others, fled Vietnam on a small wooden boat in search of freedom and democracy. My father and uncle, both serving as Republic of the Vietnam Army, my uncle and officer, was executed days before Saigon fell in front of a small village to use as an example that the Communist government has taken over. April 30th, 1975 marked the fall of Saigon. It was the end of the war, but the beginning of an unimaginable suffering for millions of Vietnamese people. In the month of April, we commemorate and think those who serve, those who fought, and those who gave their ultimate life. And we honor them by remembering that April is Black April. For many, it meant being separated from loved ones in prison in re-education camps or risking their lives to escape. Of the 1.5 million people who fled Vietnam, almost a quarter million of them have died overseas. Those who made it to America were tirelessly to rebuild, contribute to their new communities while preserving the values of democracy, freedom and human rights. Today, little Saigon stands as a testament. The Vietnamese American community has made a lasting impact in Orange County, not only as survivors, but as leaders, entrepreneurs, active citizens, and very proud Americans. We have risen to among the highest levels of government, medicine, law, and education. Orange County's little site is home to the largest population of Vietnamese people outside of Vietnam. This resolution is a solemn reminder of the sacrifices made for freedom and democracy. It ensures that future generations understand that the cost of losing democracy and the threat of communism. As we celebrate and remember, as we remember, 50 years since the fall of Saigon, let us reflect on the sacrifices of both Vietnamese and American veterans who fought for our freedom and honor those who never made it to America or back home. There were 58,000, military men and women, did not make it home. And hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese people die during the war. So I thank my colleagues for recognizing the importance of this resolution. Together, we ensure that Black April and the importance lessons of the Vietnam War are not forgotten. And we have here with us today as well. I'm going to read the name and ask you can't just come on up and actually if you can't start making your way up. We have here, it's quite a long list so please bear with me. Mr. Kenong Fang, Fang, chairman of the Trenton Umpire Organization, co-chairment of the Joint Committee against Communism, Dr. Anthony Wynn, pharmacist, honorable Fat Boy former Councilman of the Sea of Garden Grove, and also president of the Vietnamese American Federation of Southern California. Mr. Richard Boy Jr, Jr., Chairman of the Southwestern United States Republic of Vietnam Soldiers, Collective Coronation Center. South A. Cal, Advisor of Southwestern United States Republic of Vietnam Soldiers. Lamb FAM, executive director of the Vietnamese League of Orange County. Van Cuy, president of the South Vietnam border specialist, special forces. Van Tien, win, president of the descendants of South Army Republic of Vietnam. Tan Lim, fan, the descendants military junior cadet of the South Republic of Vietnam, Funti Din, president of the Fifth Infantry Division of the South Republic of Vietnam Army, Heavu, the South Republic of Vietnam Marines, Chao Lam, president of the American and Vietnamese Elderly Association, Kang Wynh, president of the A-plus Education Organization, Sung-Dien, the Sung-Dien POW Association, Back Nha Williams, President of the Rebuild Village, Credet of South Vietnam Association, Nga Diip Khao, President of the Ling Hoa Buddhist Family Association, Kong Pham, President of the South Republic of Vietnam Army Jeep Association, Tina Tam, President of the Descendants of the South Female Vietnam Military Association, Tina Vo, Vice President of the South Female Vietnam Military Association, Anthony Minh Hong Cao, President of the Senate of the South Vietnam, South Female Vietnam Military Association, Anthony Minh-Hoon-Kao, President of the Vietnamese Artist Friendship Club, Tom Bo, President of the Southern California Vietnamese National Military Academy alumni, Duke Minh-Ho, President of Vietnam War Memorial, Bob Harrison, Vice President Vietnam War Memorial, Robert McCliss, Hunter Beach American Legion Post 133, Louis Hall, United States Marine Corps, Cypress American Legion Post 295, and I don't see Bobby, but also Bobby McDown. Oh, Bob, he's right behind you. Bobby McDown, United States Navy. Thank you. Good morning everybody, I'm Vicente San Manto, Orange County Supervisor for the second district, Seen Chalquiri to everybody. And thank you Supervisor Wynn for bringing this Black April Memorial month to the board. April is a month of remembrance commemorating the fall of Saigon on April 30th, 1975, and honoring the victims and survivors of this important event. This period is particularly significant for the Vietnamese diaspora who fled Vietnam in search of safety and a better life. Known as Black April, the state marks the end of the Vietnam War and the reunification of Vietnam under communist rule, a moment in history that led to profound loss, sacrifice, and displacement for many South Vietnamese families. It serves as a reminder of the courage and hardships endured by those who lived through this time and the lasting impact it had on their lives. In addition to marking the fall of Saigon, April is a time to reflect on the resilience of the Vietnamese diaspora. For those who fled, particularly to the United States, Black April Memorial Month provides an opportunity to honor their struggles and acknowledge the ongoing healing journey. Many of these individuals found new homes here in Southern California where they have become an integral part and a group members of our community. The city of Santa Ana located in my district holds a historic connection to the Vietnamese community. In 1980, Santa Ana became a vital hub for Vietnamese refugees with over 6,200 refugees settling there, paving the way for many other cities in Orange County to follow. In fact, many say that the beginning of the Vietnamese community, the start was in Santa Ana by first and Sullivan Street, which is where many Vietnamese family arrived. Today, little Saigon in Orange County stands as the largest Vietnamese diaspora community in the world with more than 189,000 residents of Vietnamese descent. Little Saigon is not only a cultural and commercial center, but at the heart of the Vietnamese American community in Southern California encompassing parts of West Minister Garden Grove in San Ana. During my 15 years on the San Ana City Council as both the Council Member and Mayor, I proudly represented the Vietnamese American community's interests that have led to several meaningful achievements. In 2009, I authored in champion resolution officially recognizing the yellow flag of the Republic of Vietnam symbolized by these beautiful scarves at the supervisor provided for us and I hear she had knitted them. Is that true? Multi-talented. The three with the yellow with the three red stripes as the flag of freedom and heritage of the Vietnamese people. people. In 2010 I introduced a resolution passed by the San Ana City Council to recognize June 19th, each year as Vietnamese armed forces day in San Ana, paying tribute to the courage and sacrifice of members of the Vietnamese armed forces, many of whom are not with us today. In 2012, I drafted and successfully lobbied for the passage of a resolution discouraging official visits from the government representatives at the Socialist Republic of Vietnam to the city of Santa Ana. And lastly, in December 2014, I introduced a resolution 85A which designated October 26th of each year as the Republic of Vietnam Day in Santa Ana that honors and commemorates the sacrifices and bravery of former soldiers, civil servants, and civilians of the Republic of Vietnam. As we honor the sacrifices of the Vietnamese community during Black April, memorial met. It is crucial that we continue to support the refugees and immigrants here that are with us. Providing resources and opportunities to help newcomers thrive is essential for ensuring that they can heal and build futures for themselves and their families in our community. Thank you so much, Supervisor Wynn. Thank you to everybody here and all your families as well. Welcome. I just like to thank all of you for the courage, the contributions you've made to your society and to the county of Orange. It's so important to give us your talent, your time, your energy. That's what makes Orange County so great. We're a melting pot of so many different communities and the vibrant ones you represent is one of the most important that we have in the county. Little Saigon is amazing. It represents a melting pot of all kinds of things but particularly a representative of the Vietnamese community that is worldwide. So thank all of you for the sacrifices you've made and your contributions are going to continue to make to our life and our county of Orange. Thank you all. 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Good morning again. This month we also celebrate the Arab, Middle Eastern, and North African communities significant contributions to the excess of California and Orange County. I'd like to thank Supervisor Sarmriento for joining with me in presenting this item. And in 2020 in response to public feedback regarding the lack of identification of the Middle Eastern and North African, what we call menna population. The census provided a right in response area. So we have about 3.5 million people identified as menna alone, accounting for a large percent of our American population. California, about 740,000 people belong to menna, of which an estimated 370,000 are Arab American. But Arab and American heritage is diverse. With different nationalities converging together, you create a rich cultural heritage. Menna includes, let me go through the list, hope I don't mispronounce. Arabic and non-Arabic speaking groups, think includes but not limited to Afro-Arab's Persians, Circassians, Armenians, Masegs, Cypriots, Druves, cops, Jews, Georgians, Yazidis, Kurds, and Somalis. As well as Turk keeps people, such as Turks, Azerbaijanis, Uzbek, Kuzaks, Kyrgyz, guys, and more. Sorry if I mispronounced any of those. You can tell it's a very diverse community that has a huge melting pot of cultures and communities that actually lasted centuries, and have shaped the world with contributions from science to the arts. In April, we celebrate their heritage by supporting and acknowledging the various successes of the Arab and Menna American community in Orange County. Like to invite up some local leaders here to accept the resolution we're presenting this morning, the Arab American Civic Council, Mr. Amin Nash, who is a policy and advisor of Valerikseh Coordinator, please come up at your name is called. Mr. Hane Hyder, Administrator and Development Coordinator. Community members, we have Mr. Zeshon Abid, who is an ER nurse. Mr. Haazim Al-Gharraz Gawarwi, business owner, Ms. Mervet Dutah, business owner, Mr. Salam Ali and Mr. Haazem Al-Gharraz Gawawi, business owner, Ms. Mervet Duda, business owner, Mr. Salam Ali, and Mrs. Salar Sahar Ali, community leaders. Ms. Dina Helmi, the chair of the Shura Council, and behavior health scientist manager for the Orange County Health Agency. And Farah Khan-Kharr, business chamber. Again, I apologize if I'm not pronouncing the names correctly. The Arab and men of pop Americans are key partners in our county, working together towards peace and equality for all members of society. They're leaders in health care, business, civics, arts, law, and education. With the efforts of the many Arab and Americans living in Orange County, the city of Anaheim designated the area centered on Berkro Street and Anaheim between La Palma and Catelle Avenue's as little Arabia in 2022. After two decades of advocacy, the long-awaited little Arabia signs were installed on the I-5, not-1 freeways. In September, 2024, it took a long time, and it was well worth waiting for. Little Arabia is a cultural and business destination for Arab Americans and Americans and Doris bite grounds who enjoy Arab culture and heritage, including food, festivals, and educational programs. Courage all Orange County residents to explore Little Arabia, little more about the diversity and beauty of Arab American culture. Before I'm in speaks, it supervises Samantha. Samantha, would you like to join in any of my colleagues as well? Thank you, Mr. Chair, for allowing me to collaborate with you on National Arab Middle Eastern and North African Heritage Month presentation. Let me just go ahead and mention somebody else that is up here on stage with us who I have so much respect for. I consider him a friend, but most importantly, he's a leader in Orange County. And so, Amir, a Mertaban, is the child of Lebanese immigrants who is proud of his local and overseas roots. He is the executive director at the Islamic Society of Orange County, the largest Muslim community center in Southern California. A dedicated servant to his community for over 20 years, he has tirelessly championed the advancement of the Muslim community and the pursuit of social justice, which is why we are very, very honored. Thank you, Amir, and everybody else who's here for joining us. So let me go ahead and just say that this month serves as a time for us to celebrate and recognize the history, culture, traditions, and contributions of the Arab and Meena Americans. It's time to honor the diversity of our communities and acknowledge the invaluable contributions that Meena, Arab Middle Eastern, and North African communities have made in fields such as arts, science, politics, and beyond. Orange County is home to a vibrant Amina community, highlighted by Little Arabia in Anaheim, opened on August 23, 2022, Little Arabia stretches along the Brookers corridor from Broadway to Ball. This features restaurants, cafes, markets, and businesses offering services like insurance, law, cosmology, all vital to the local economy and the needs of the community. Little Arabia reflects the cultural richness of the Amino community while contributing to the county's growth and success. Orange County is home to a significant Amino population with 68,000 Middle Eastern and North African residents. 30,000 are Iranian Americans, 30,000 are Arab Americans, and 6,000 are Armenian Americans. Each of these groups contributes to the cultural tapestry of our region. The demographic diversity enriches the community, bringing a variety of traditions, perspectives, and experiences that make Orange County unique. In California, the Amina community is significant, but their distinct identity is sometimes and many times overlooked in census data and general demographic reporting. As a result, demographic statistics about Amina communities are often embedded within larger racial or ethnic groups, as was mentioned earlier, making it challenging to fully understand the population size, needs and contributions. On January 6th, Assemblymember John Harabitian introduced the California Assembly Bill AB 91, the MENA Inclusion Act. An important piece of legislation that seeks to recognize the contributions of Arab Middle Eastern and North African communities at the state level. This bill would formally recognize the Amina Heritage Month in California, ensuring that the history, culture, and achievements of these communities are honored statewide. It reflects the growing acknowledgement of the Amina communities role in shaping California's diverse social, cultural, and economic landscape. Later on this morning, I will be asking my colleagues to consider, including AB 91 91 as part of our package to make sure that we support that bill. As we come together to celebrate, it's also important to recognize the challenges that the Amina community face, including overcoming stereotypes and fighting for greater representation and understanding. This month provides an opportunity to reflect on how we can support and amplify these communities ensuring they feel seen, valued, and heard in all aspects of life, especially when it comes to Islamophobia, a lot of the hate that these communities face, and that is something that we all need to stand against. So as we celebrate, we also need to acknowledge that communities are, unfortunately, villainized and abused simply for seeing the world differently. All of us who come here as immigrants bring our culture, and we need to make sure that we not just support, but we celebrate and support them legally as well. So as we celebrate national Amina Heritage Month, let's take a moment to honor the cultural contributions, history and ongoing efforts of the Arab, Middle Eastern, and North African communities in North, in Orange County and across the nation. Thank you all for being here with us. Thank you all for being leaders in the community and making sure that we continue advance to advance our county. Thank you all for being here with us. Thank you all for being leaders in the community and making sure that we continue advance to advance our county. Thank you. Good morning. I'm Katrina Foley, county supervisor, representing the fabulous fifth district, the fifth district covers Costa Mesa, where I live, all the way down to San Clemente. Orange County joins the nation in recognizing Arab Middle Eastern and North African American Heritage Month. California is home to the largest Arab American Middle Eastern and North African population in the nation. Orange County has the fifth highest population of Arab Americans in the nation. The city of Irvine in the fifth district, which is part of our home, is approximately 3% of California's Arab American population. The fabulous fifth district is happy to welcome Arab American, Middle Eastern, and North African residents as neighbors, colleagues, friends, business leaders, community leaders, and faith-based leaders. I'm also pleased to report that we have at least two safe places in Orange County for the Meena community. And one is in Costa Mesa, the Islamic Educational Center of Orange County, which I had the privilege of helping to get open when I was on the City Council and mayor of the city of Costa Mesa and in Irvine, the Islamic Center and Salam Islamic Center. Also in addition to the assembly bill that Supervisor Samienta mentioned, we also expect to see the MENA group included in the 2030 United States Census. So we can start to gather some additional demographic documentation, which will inform our health public services, other needs of the community. So in Orange County, we're here to ensure all of our people and all of our cultures are represented and celebrated and recognized. So thank you all for joining us here today. We appreciate you taking time out of your busy days to be here with us. Thank you so much. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just want to commend all my colleagues and everybody here in Orange County and everybody here for being here this morning. Arab and Middle East, North African Heritage Month is something that kind of just started recently, believe it or not, within the last five or six years. But it's well needed. The community has gone through a lot of struggles, a lot of misunderstanding, and now finally, we're making strides to actually be recognized and bay counted as members of this community, but not just members, but as contributors. And specifically here in Orange County, the community has impacted the area immensely. We already mentioned Little Arabia, which has a large Arab population, but also is home to a Palestinian diaspora of people who were born in Syria because they're pushed out of Palestine and then they moved here to America. And you can see what they contributed here in Anaheim. They started businesses, they started built homes, and it all started down actually in Garden Grove in Isok, where they started as a little, in a little garage, and they came together and they built a community. And they wanted to do that because they believed in Orange County and they believed in the community. Orange County in general has become kind of a paradise for this community. We've been accepted, we've been able to start businesses, we've been able to contribute. But the impact of foreign conflicts, the impact of misunderstandings, and the impact of legacy of quite frankly prejudice has largely impacted and caused a lot of trauma of the community throughout the history. We still haven't found the murder or the murder of Alex Ode back in the 1980s who was murdered here in Santa Ana. The community during 9-11, especially down in Little Arabia, has a history of beatings and spying from the police. And now we see immense trauma and pain that the community feels because the government is arresting our community and practically can't end them in broad daylight without any protections. So I'm here with my community as a representation to respect this history, but also to remind us and to understand that we've gone through a lot and we're still going through a lot. And as much as we want symbolic recognition and these type of resolutions, we do need actual stances and actual support from the community and anybody at large. And I was going to bring AP 91, but we're already going to be talking about today. So I really commend the Board of Supervisors for taking a stance to bring this kind of data recognition to our community, because it will help us understand ourselves past the immigration laws and past data that brands us as enemies of the state, whereas we are supporters of the state and contributors of the state. So this month, though it's about heritage and contributions, I just want to remind ourselves that healing does take a lot of time, but healing can only begin through proactive engagement. By reaching out your handout to talk to the community and not waiting until the community gets arrested. And the last minute you said a resolution that I say I'm sorry. Proactive engagement means we recognize you, we see you, and not only that, we understand that you're important here because we've been here for a long time and we continue. Want to be here for a long time and we will be here for a long time. So I want to commend once again all of my community members for being here. I'm so proud of you guys, for everything you guys do. You're all beautiful. And everybody here, please continue just understanding our community, reach out to us. We live here, we breathe here. Some of us have been here since the 70s. Just reach out to us, call it, talk to us, and we're here to help. Thank to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. 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And this is the observance of National Public Health Week where we want to highlight the contributions of public health and encourage people to come part of a movement for a healthier nation. This year, National Public Health Week theme is, it starts here, which hopes to inspire individuals to make difference in their homes and communities and their personal lives. This week's focus is on prevention and reducing on healthy activities like promoting vaccination, healthy eating and physical activity to keep you well and strong. Public health is crucial for community wellbeing, playing a vital role in identifying needs, promoting healthy practices, and supporting healthy lifestyles. The Orange County Health Department monitors and investigates the occurrence of disease, injury, and related factors in community to develop and implement preventive strategies to improve the health of the public Like to invoke fight the health care agency public health team to come up as I call your name, which you please come up Genocera the director of public health in nursing Alicia Caranza It track tobacco use prevention program health educator educator. Megan Crumpler, Public Health Laboratory Director. Ron D'Area, Pomanary Disease Services Public Health Nurse. Sham, I'm sorry, El Miss, Shodd, I hope I said that right, environmental health, supervising hazardous materials specialist. Traverse in Chinoes, public health, accreditation manager, Kathy Martinez, the community nursing services division manager, Julie Pham, workforce development health services manager, and Tara Rangun, Thaira, sorry, wrong, sorry, that was wrong. Communicule disease. work force development health services manager and Tara Rangan Thara sorry wrong on sorry that was wrong communicable communicable disease control division epidemiologist epidemiologist I think I need drink of water here when discussing public health you must both focus on health equity securing everyone the same opportunity to attain their highest level of health. Cheving health equity means breaking down systemic barriers that affect how our communities access information about public health and receive health. You must particularly watch out for vulnerable communities, such as our low income and communities of color, the scene is soft for the most in public health cases. Public health professionals are important partners, collaborating with leaders across sectors that can influence health outcomes. So thank you to our health care agency, public health staff with their diligent work in keeping Orange County healthy and safe. Thank all of you. Before directors are on, give us a remarks with any my colleagues like to say a few words. Supervisor Foley. Good morning again, Katrina Foley County supervisor representing of course the fifth district. And it's a place where we care deeply about public health. And as the theme is, it all starts here. I'd like to invite up also to join us, Carolyn McQueen, Melissa Christian and Tracy Bloom, and if there's someone from the Eliseo Viejo Community Association, also from Toxic Free OC. So please join us. Reflecting on the broad scope of public health, everything starts with a healthy community. And a healthy community includes a community that's toxic free and free of pesticides. Orange County remains a first-class destination for our visitors, our residents, Our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our, our destination for our visitors, our residents, our institutions, our people who are coming here for college. We have beautiful open spaces, parks, beaches, and we've taken great strides to protect the public health as they are enjoying those spaces. And those strides include eliminating the use of toxic pesticides like glysofate. I never can say that. Glisofate. Glisofate, otherwise known as roundup and other, it's termed other brands. But it's basically a classified as a probable human carcinogen by the World Health Organization. The Environmental Protection Agency says that herbicide is unlikely to be carcinogenic if applied as directed. The problem is what we see is that it's just sprayed all over the place without any regard, and so not applied as directed and harmful to kids on playgrounds, on beaches, in parks, and in open spaces. So this debate has gone on for years, but in a way to be proactive in 2016 Irvine led as the first city to go non-toxic. In 2017, San Juan Capastrano became the second city to adopt to the city of San Juan, and the first city to go to the city of San Juan, and the first city to go to the city of San Juan, and the first city to go to the city of San Juan, and the first city to go to the city of San Juan, and the first city to go to the city of San Juan, and the first city to go to the city of San Juan, the third city, to go toxic free and protect residents. We passed a weed abatement and pest management plan that prohibits the use of toxic pesticides even on sports fields. In September of 2018, San Clemente City Council approved a policy that prioritized organics in 2020. Laguna Hills started in the North Gannics only pilot program for two city parks in 2020. Also Rancho Mission Viejo, La Dera Ranch, moved towards an organics program and in Laguna Beach in 2020, anti-coeculant roaded to sides where unanimously banned and then in 2024 Laguna Beach passed a measure to stop spraying glycophate. The county also has a toxic free model in our parks, waterways, and places where people play and I've had many conversations with Amanda Carr about how this model is implemented and I appreciate the hard work of our team to make sure that we can still clear areas that are fire prone but also keep those pesticides out of our waterways and out of our places where people play. Our homeowners associations in Laguna, Ngael, San Climany, Irvine and Elisa Viejo have followed suit and thank you to the toxic free OC founders Carolyn Melissa and Tracy for your advocacy and your efforts. I wanna thank Alisa Viejo, community association, who recently ended the spring of toxic herbicides, pesticides, and cancer-causing chemicals in the Alisa Viejo Canyon View Park. So truly, it all starts here. Right here in Orange County, so let's keep it going. Let's keep Orange County a healthier place in this paradise we call home. Thank you and thank all of you for all the good work you do to protect our public health. Morning again everybody. I'm Vicent this I'm your aunt's County supervisor for the the second district. Thank you Mr. Chair for bringing public health week forward. We've got some of the most not only talented public health workers here and employees and staff here at the county but some of the most committed and compassionate so thank you for all of your work that you do. As was mentioned addressing equity challenges when it comes to public health as vital, particularly within my district, the second district which incorporates all of Santana, parts of Anaheim Orange, Tusson and Garden Grove, to ensure that every individual has access to central resources and support, and tackling these disparities as key to fostering fairness, inclusivity, and a stronger community where everyone's needs are met. The California Department of Public Health recently shared an update regarding notice from the CDC that it plans to discontinue state funding for several key grants established during the COVID-19 pandemic. And these include expanded epidemiology laboratory capacity, immunization and vaccines vaccines for children and health disparities grants. Additionally, federal transitions under the current administration place research and critically necessary public health programs at risk. This ultimately will result in the reduced ability to address and respond to public health related challenges, including disease outbreaks such as measles, legionella, and much more. This development is concerning. As it highlights challenges for public health initiatives and practitioners that have been critical during and after the pandemic. Prevention remains a cornerstone of public health efforts and the loss of such funding raises serious concerns about maintaining the effect of services. In these rapidly evolving times, it's more important than ever to come together and adapt. The shifting landscape of public health funding demands resilience, collaboration, and a collective commitment to safeguarding the well-being of our communities. The Public Health Department in Orange County has been in existence for well over a century, and has allowed our county to flourish and even eliminate deaths as a result of communicable diseases, including typhoid, diphtheria, and polio. Over the last few years, we personally witnessed the emergence of new infectious diseases, including COVID-19 and the bird flu and the re-emergence and rise in cases of well known infectious diseases such as measles. I want to extend my heartfelt gratitude to the healthcare agency and all the dedicated staff working within or in partnership with the public health services. Your unwavering efforts in fostering healthier communities and shaping a brighter tomorrow are deeply appreciated. And these words and this recognition doesn't do justice to the work that's been done. All the sacrifice as these folks have made not only now, but in the recent past because I know that this county certainly face challenges as the rest of our country did when we went through the pandemic. But the work continues. So I just want to say on behalf of all residents in the second district and in the entire county, thank you for everything that you do every day. I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. National Public Health Week is an opportunity to honor the impact public health has on the wellbeing of our communities, especially after the COVID pandemic. This year's theme, it starts here. Serves as a reminder that each of us plays a role in improving public health, whether through our day-everyday choices, actions, or collective commitment to healthier communities. Public health goes beyond medical care. It's about fostering environments where everyone can thrive. Clean water, safe neighborhoods, and opportunities for everyone to succeed are the foundation of public health and essential for building stronger, healthier futures. None of this is possible without the dedication of our public health professionals. Especially of those within the county family. From researchers and educators to healthcare workers on the front line to these individuals of the backbone of progress. Thank you for all, for your continued support and for your continued support of the community and for your commitment to our community. Don Wagner, third district Supervisors, super rise apologies I'm running a little bit late. Climbed out of a dental chair to be here today, so I won't speak long, but I did want to make sure I gave a shout out to all of our public health officials and all of our practitioners and everybody out in the community who's involved in public health as well. The importance has been highlighted by my colleagues. I won't go into it again. I will merely say, you know, we are bringing online a new public health lab. We are investing in public health. We are giving tools to our public health professionals to do what they do so well and that is take care of all of you And so thank you all for being here It is very important that we do this recognition today because of the work that they do not today But every day of the year for the people of Orange County Thank you. Good morning and thank you chair Chafee and the Honourable Board of Supervisors for this Recognition of National Public Health Week. The theme for this year's Celebratory Week is, as said, it starts here. Public Health is the foundation of a healthy and thriving community and has been since the founding of the county in 1889 when the population of then 13,000 dealt with recurrent outbreaks of infectious diseases such as typhoid fever, diphtheria, smallpox and tetanus. Responding and forming and partnering to prevent illness and injury remains a core function to protect all and promote the well-being of the Orange County community. The health care agency public health workforce continues to make significant strides in improving health outcomes. Last year, the HCA, Communicable Disease Control Division conducted nearly 600 outbreak investigations and the public health services clinics provided over 30,000 vaccines to children and vulnerable population, reducing the spread of infectious diseases. The Community and Nursing Services team provided health management support for approximately 6,000 clients and the health promotion team provided education for families and schools, equipping them with the tools to make healthy lifestyle decisions, including assisting over 9,000 families each month with nutritional benefits for the federal WIC program. Our prestigious public health laboratory processed over 158,000 specimens, giving health care providers diagnostic information for their patients and our Environmental Health Division with information on the safety of our recreational and drinking water. And speaking of environmental health, this team conducted over 42,000 field visits serving businesses including restaurants, industrial facilities, body art studios and waste sites contributing to ensure that Orange County is a safe place to live, work, and travel. The success of these programs would not be possible without the strong collaboration and partnership with the healthcare system, community partners, and people that we serve. On behalf of HCA, I'd like to thank our dedicated public health workforce for their expertise and unwavering commitment to improving the lives of our county residents. 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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to this meeting of the Orange County Board of Supervisors for today, which is April 8, 2025. Gunner meeting with the invocation to be offered by Supervisor Janet Nguyen. This pledge will be offered and led by Supervisor Wager. Would you all please stand. Please, Bowie Head. Heavenly Father, thank you for today. to our community and thank you for the opportunity to serve you in our capacities. As we gather together as elected representative Orange County, we pray for familiar humility, wisdom and peace serenity in our hearts and minds. Please, guys, our thoughts and deliberation help us be the good stewards of our county government and bless this time we have together in your name we pray amen thank you you'd all join with me and salute the symbol of this great nation I pledge allegiance Thank you. Thank you. Supervisors. No. And Wagner. There are a couple of reminders for today's meeting. Please use the main entrance when entering and leaving the room. All the other doors are alarmed and for emergency exit only. We set all of your phones to mute or vibrate at this time after the duration of the meeting. The listing of changes to today's agenda, along with the agenda, agenda and request to speak are located lobby outside the boardroom. The board will be breaking for lunch around the new hour during which time we'll also recess to a closed session. Parking validation for the P4 parking lot adjacent to the County Administration North Building is available. We see the deputy clerk next to the podium to receive a parking validation card. Should you need one? We will now proceed to the agenda for this morning's meeting. The agenda contains a brief description of each item to be considered. Except as otherwise provided by law such as in an emergency, no action may be taken any item not appearing on the agenda. The Denda is divided in the sections. All matters that consent calendar, for example, are put by one motion, unless a board member, or a member of the public, because separate action on a specific item. Through questions to address the board, please complete a speaker request form located in lobby outside the boardroom. Completed forms must be deposited box next to the podium prior to beginning of the consent calendar. If you wish to speak at the consent calendar. And as to other items, you must present the speaker form before that other item is called to ensure the smooth conduct at the meeting, they must be turned in in advance. All right, speakers may address the board on up to three occasions with three minutes allowed to the speaker per occasion. When you're called to speak, please step to the podium. Please note the light on the podium. The green light means you have three minutes. Light changes a yellow when you have one minute and a light turns red when your time has expired. Asked to you to observe the time limits so that all who wish to speak will have an opportunity to do so. And dress the board. Please dress the board as a whole through the chair. At this time, I'd ask members of the board of supervisors here any comment that you'd like to make on a gender non-indeed items or may ask questions or give directions to staff. Either no action may take on off agenda items unless authorized by law. Do any board members wish to speak at this time? All right, I guess I get all everybody's time again. Actually, Mr. Chair. Okay, do we? Did you like to say something? Sure, Mr. Chair. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not going ahead. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. And, you know, I just want to simply say that we want to welcome Jamie Newton as our new chief human resources officer. So I know our former human resources officer, Collette Farons, retired so welcome aboard in that new role. Jamie, we certainly look forward to all your leadership and your continued work. So I simply want to encourage you to make sure that you, I know will be focused in on boosting staff morale and continuing to foster a positive culture across the county, a workplace culture. Especially as we know in some departments where we know staff and others are facing challenges, we know that you're gonna take this on. It's important, this role has never been more critical to make sure that the environment and those who work with us all 19,000 of the county family feel your support. So please work with my office and all the offices here to share strategies on how you plan to implement those changes in that positive culture. And I look forward to supporting you as we work together to ensure safe and a great place to work for our current and future employees here at the county. So welcome once again, you've been already here at the county, but welcome to your new role. We certainly look forward to working with you and we wish you much, much success. Thank you, Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Foley. Thank you. And I'll echo my colleague in welcoming Ms. Newton. Thank you. But today, we're following the news of the president's wide-ranging tariffs and the negative impacts that's having on the stock market. All the impacts we're having here at the county on the federal funding cuts. And to make it even worse, the state budget is highly reliant on the stock market and very vulnerable when it's in decline. We started today, you know, a tick up, but not really stabilized yet. The state is also reliant on sales tax, which fund public safety through Prop 172. The sales tax dollars across the state and of course for Orange County are down and the economic downturn is likely to see those sales tax dollars for Prop 172 go down further. Members of the state legislature are ringing the alarm bells this week saying that the governor's may revise will likely project a deficit as opposed to what we were expecting which was a tiny little small surplus that was projected in January. So we've already seen here as we're building our budget at the county of Orange some some hits to our budget that are caused from these external factors at the state and federal government. And I think I joined many in a bipartisan way to ask that the president reconsider his decision on tariffs so that our economy doesn't continue to tank. We are in the process of being forced to make painful decisions because of forces outside of our control. Last week I went to Sacramento to advocate for state resources, despite the economics. We identified that Prop 4, which was the climate bond, can actually really help our county. And those resources won't be, we hope, won't be diminished. So those are things that we can do for projects that we already have in the works. We've been working with our department heads to try to identify projects that are eligible, shovel ready, and that meet the requirements. I met with state parks to talk about what are some of the potential park projects that we could apply for grant funding through Prop 4 and have given that information to our county advocacy team and our department heads. While we face this economic downturn, we of course have to tighten our belt and do more with less, but we hope that we can start to draw down dollars from some of these pots that we don't usually identify. And I'll end by inviting everyone on our wellness walk. We do these wellness walks about once a month. It's an opportunity to get our bodies moving, but also to talk with members in the community. Our next walk is April 9th at 6 p.m. at Fashion Island. We'll meet at Restoration Hardware at the Ocean Grill entrance facing Newport Center Drive. and we hope that you can join us. To RSVP, please call 714-834-3550. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Foley. You know, two weeks ago, traffic entered the curb in Irvine. A 13-year-old boy died from a gunshot wound with an unscored firearm found in a nightstand. It's heartbreaking and preventable loss and a scores importance of safe gun storage. So my office has created the Orange County Free Gunlock Program to help prevent tragedies like this by providing free anonymous gun locks to all Orange County residents. Since February we have distributed about 350 unlocks across cities and communities in County. We can get requests more every day. And we stand ready to continue that program. We had a supply issue one time that has been resolved. So we have lots of gunlocks to give out that are free. And I've asked that this be up on the board here, so you can see how you can get a gun lock if you want one. So not only do they help farm owners comply with the current law and prepare for SB 53, which is a new law, which requires storage, beginning in 2026 in a secure manner. So the information, how you can get a free gun lock, is up on the board. Strong encourage all fire arm owners to take advantage of simple life-saving resource. And so I hope we can work together to keep our community safe. That's the idea. And if it has nothing wrong with only gun, but please keep it safe. So with that, we're now going to move to our CEO remarks if any. No. Okay. That's the clerk if there are any changes to the agenda. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On the discussion calendar item 16 has been continued to April 22nd, 2025 930 AM. In our declose session, CS1 has been deleted. And the public has not requested to pull any items from the consent calendar this morning. Thank you with that. At once, we'll first ask if anyone wants to pull among my colleagues a consent calendar item. Okay, I see none. And it's already been moved and seconded. Any objection objection? Motion carries. At this point, I have a special request to move an item up next, which is supplement 26C to the large number of speakers. I would like to speak on this item. I know we have a three minute time limit, but because of the repetition, it is likely to be among the speakers. I request that you try to keep your remarks at one minute. If you may, you may take more time if you wish. With that, Madam Court, would you please call the speakers? So read the item and then call the speakers. On S26C, under Chair Tafi, in Supervisor Wynn, a top resolution urging US Department of Justice to of Justice to review and assess terms of plea agreement and sentencing recommendation for a former supervisor, Andrew Huangdo, United States versus Andrew Huangdo, United States District Court, and authorize and direct county council to send formal letter to attorney general, famed, Bande, requesting a review of the plea agreement and sentencing and advancement of DOJ's investigation into others the recommendation of the committee. We have received 36 requests to speak on this item. We have an interpreter for the first 31 speakers. I will call three names at a time. If you can please light up in the center of the room behind the podium when your name is called Fatbui. Tui Wen and Quivon No. Good morning Chair Chaffee, Vice Chair Foley, Suwa Zah Jaaneng Wen, Semyento and Wagnos. My name is Fatbui. I am the former City Councilmanland Grove and elected chairperson of the Vietnamese community, Vietnamese American Federation of Southern California in 2015, 2018 and 2021. Today I would like to talk to you, but first before my speech about the item, I would like to talk to you but first before my speech about the item jones sake I would like to express our appreciation for the black April resolution the way the supervisor, one of the supervisor given us that resolution deeply touches 50 years ago we came here to the United States and the American people have shown us the kindness and given us a second chance in life. And afterward, we have five generals in the U.S. armies, countless of other contributions to the United States or America. But unfortunately, of us have been bad and be craved the communities, be craved the publics that is former supervisor Andrew Doe. Andrew Doe have embezzled tens of million dollars in public funds that was targeted to help the seniors and the disadvantage people in our district number one. But not only that, we have heard many rumors that there are many other growing looings. For example, the fund to help the small business, we believe that there are a lot of miscues in that area that we hope the board of Supervisor will look into that matters. And finally, we believe that Mr. Andrew Doe and his associate and his family members have received a lot of money from this public fund. And no one should be above the law. We urge the Bob Supervisor to write to Attorney General Bondy and the Department of Justice to seriously follow and he should not be given any lenance and should be held fully to the laws. And we hope that the money that the board recover from this misuse will be reused for this requirement because that is where it was supposed to be targeted. Thank you so much and have a good day. May we have the next speaker please. Good morning. My name is Tuyen Wien and I'm speaking here as a senior Vietnamese American citizen who's been retiring. So on the subject of Mr. Dose scandal, my first impression I'd like to say to a supervisor, Katrina, that you impressed me when I saw it on TV of your indignation about this whole episode. I came here as a student, very ideal. They in Santa Barbara for 20 years, and we will back year 23 or 24 years now. And when this happened, I was shocked, right? I was shocked because as American citizens, I really valued the principle that our forefather had set out. And that is the public servant, the serve, not corrupt. And I think I like to thank all the service that you have served, and certainly what happened really is the shock to you folks, and it is the whole issue of government and the sentences that I agree I believe has not in severe enough to prevent further incidents like that. So I'm here to say that we should look at the agreement. is something that is not quite right and to prevent further incident like that for the future generations. One thing that I was thinking is that when a person go to the bank and drop it, successful. Next time he's going to go back and do the same. The third time he will be caught. And I think this case might be like that. In other words, it's probably not the first time. Thank you. Thank you. May I have the next speaker please? After Cleveland, no. The next three speakers are key fan fan, Richard Bowie, and Todd Wondon. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Quiv, fan, no, and my group is very incredibly honored to be here, to be attending the Orange County Supervisor Meeting. Since we are here, I would like to urge the board of Supervisor, Demonstration the true leadership by voting, yes, on subplanetary item as 26C, former Supervisor Andrew Joe, action betray the The proposed bid deal does not reflect the harm done. time to prove that intensity in office still matter in Orange County. I want to chance chair man, chefy and supervisor, Janet Nguyen for bringing the important matter to just attention to the public. I pray the rest of the board agree and stand on the right side of the history. Please vote yes on Ask 26C. Thank you. Thank you, sir. May we have the next speaker please. Hello. I'm William Sack. Thank you. I'm the first one to be the owner of Orange County. Translation. there's a translation service. All right, Calty. Translation. They're the translation services. Good morning, the poor supervisors. My name is Fang Keen. Fang Keen, yeah. I do not think I can do it. I think I can do it. Yeah. Today, we are very busy with the heavy and heavy equipment that we use to make the both Supervivers to the Black April Memorial, even though it was just a German. Let me help out. Even though it's just an honor here and it looks just on a piece of paper. However, it means a lot and it shows the concerns and support of the Board of Supervisors. The police are still in the office. The police are still in the office. The police are still in the office. The police are still in the office. The police are still in the office. The police are still in the truth. But, although it is too late, some people have done the wrong thing. The wrong thing. Oh, see. That's it for today. We have here, a person who is very careful with the wrong thing. We are the most careful. Some people are very careful. In the most powerful people in the East Sea. We are the most powerful people in the East Sea. We are the most powerful people in the East Sea. We are the most powerful people in the East Sea. We are the most powerful people in the East Sea. We are the most powerful people in the East Sea. We are the most powerful people in the East Sea. Guo Tanpo So, somebody or Dean back to Jördie Act in Orange County, and I'm going to ask you to So somebody already met a dirty act in the Orange County and we would like to respectfully request the both supervisor provide us more information about and throw the old cram and to collect the restitution for the community, this is a big loss to the community. This is a big loss to the community. Let me add to that as well. He also stated that, you know, the concerns. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, point of order. We've got a certified translator. We pay good money for the translator. The proponent of the rezo is interpreting speakers in support of the community. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, we've got a certified translator. We pay good money for the translator. The proponent of the rezo is interpreting speakers in support of the rezo. And I am not entirely sure given the circumstances that is appropriate. Well, okay, well, let the interpreter, if you don't mind, present. And if we could move along, I think there's going to be a lot of repetition in what people are remarking about. And so let's see if we can wrap it up as a wrap it up. Mr. Chairman, if I may ask the interpreter, if you can, maybe write down what they say and not just summarize what he stated. Because some of the words he used, I think it's important for the board to know how great for he is to be here and for their work in the community. He stated that several times and you just summarize and use words that weren't even, wasn't correctly translated. And so why I respect my colleague in his comments, I understand that this is not about the rezo for me. This is about making sure that translation is correct. Now, if you ask me to translate from English to Vietnamese, I might be the one who's struggling. But from Vietnamese to English, I can do a fairly good job. But if you can, Madam Translator, is to make sure that that you do emphasize the words that he wants the board to understand and not just summarize it. Yeah, let me... Oh, it's me. It struck him to the small sentences I can wrap all the information. Do you know how to speak in English? Do I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. talk about my opinion. First of all, we would like to thank the both supervisors that are showing sympathy for the Vietnamese refugee after 50 years. And, uh, uh, the poor supervisor supervisor to get back the transparency, the liners of this Orange County. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a part of the world. I want to be a process of the process of the process of the process. Therefore, we respectfully request you to take the action to get back the transparency and cleanness of the Vietnamese refugee now and for the future. Once again, I would like to appreciate and thank you for your sympathy and my to the Vietnamese refugee, southern Vietnamese in the last 50 years. Thank you, Viet. Thank you, Zanette. Thank you for your hard work. Thank you so much. Especially thank you to Miss Janet Mouren. She is well-deserved to be the descendant of the South Vietnamese Refugee. Thank you, sir. We have more than 30 speakers yet requested to speak on this item. So I'd ask if you would be a little bit courteous and if you can keep your remarks short and to the point that would be appreciated. Thank you. Ms. DeCherman, can I just mention that in Vietnamese so the other folks can hear that? Can I just say what you said in Vietnamese so they can understand it? I would like to thank the audience for their support and support. I would like to thank the audience for their support and support. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My morning, Boris. I'm the supervisor. My name is Richard Boyes. I see your central colludation, republics of Vietnam and force in the Western USA. I am Libyan Ganrov to urge to urge the board what he has on Supplemental Item S-26C. Former supervisor, though, deserve to pay for his crime against the people of Orange County. Even the sovereignty of his crime, he currently plays a remain captain. His sentence to up to five years is too light. And you know, to advantage it up for the travel, senior and members of his own community, who is sworn to serve, he betrays the trust of everyone and today. The war has a opportunity to send a strong statement to corruption is not to be tolerated and that anyone connected to this action, or to be punished to the fullest extent to the law. On top of the worst of COVID-19, pandemic, it be hires. The pain is still remain. Over a thousand or a county resident die of disease and his scandal and Samful chapter is a story. I urge the board supervisor to send a former letter to the DOJ to reveal the police agreement to send them up and you know and please vote yes for this item and thank you so much. Thank, sir. May I have the next speaker, please? After top one, then the next three speakers are Hui, Hone fam, Moly Thai, and Lond fam. Hello. My name is Lang Farm. I'm a father and executive at the Vietnamese Lee of Orange County, which was incorporated It's a Fire 133 Non-Profic Organization in 1979. I use to our organization, due to support the Vietnamese refugee since 1975. Yeah, today I'm here to support the resolution. Yeah, because we need the, We need the transparency and we need the money back to the Orange County and we need an ablution and nobody gave any ablution. Thank you. Thank you. I'll see you first far as to where? Mr. Chairman, I was wondering, given the time, I don't think we need to translate it. This would be on video, and we can ask the translate maybe to transcribe it later and send it up to the board. But I just respect to the board at the time. I don't, I think we can just allow the folks to speak in Vietnamese, but not have the translate translated because it goes back and forth. It takes twice the amount of time and that way we can move forward and faster. Well, let's move forward. Some speakers don't need a translator translator so let's see where we go okay thank you but again ask because there's so many that want to speak if you would limit your remarks and be very short and to the point that'd be great thank you We have the next speaker, please. King and Gow. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. My name is Mui Tai. I'm living in Garland Road. My name is Mui Tai. I'm living in Garangro. I'm going to go to the beach. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the beach. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the beach. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the beach. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the beach. Okay. So, I'm going to go to the beach. Okay. of the foreign supervisors of Orange County. C'mon Ed. Hi, Shaoxi. the broad supervisors of the Orange County. In the section, as to succeed of the meeting today is very important because it's required that we need to reconsider the agreement that most of the people in the community think that'saiser, Dr. Chaffaffee in the matters of requesting the Department of Trust to reconsider and further investigate regarding to the former Supervisor entry to all matters. Da din luk, kuyen min rang tham nyong guok kong, she khom ddu dung thu, guok bho qua. It's time to demonstrate that the libraries in the community would not be forgiven and would not be something that we can be lenya non. Xin gama un hui pyi. Thank you so much. Thank you. May I have that speaker please? I'll call the next three speakers. Tian Van Wen, Lim Teng Fan, and Feng Dinh. The next speaker is Hu Vu, Chaolam, and Kham Wyn. Come win. Good morning. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, it's such an honor to be here. My name is Liam Farn. I'm here to urge the board. To yes on the supplemental item as 26 C. A former supervisor, Andrew, it all must be whole, fully accountable for his action. This was in the case of a poor jasmine or a symbol mistake. This was a deliberate abuse of the public trust. He stole the public funds, money men to be for the people of Orange County, and read a and read it right. Those funds to benefit his own family and close associate. He abused his authority and in my opinion, his punishment does not fit the crime. The board now has a critical opportunity to send a clear message. The corruption has a consequences. A vote, a favor of the item as 26 C, is a vote in favor of accountability, integrity and justice. It's said to public, to future's leader and to those who in office now, that Orange County, there is not the tolerate, the misuse of power for the personal enrichment. Please, don't let this moment pass without action. The people of Orange County deserve better. I urge a yes vote for item S-26C. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Next speaker please. Next speaker's. Soon, yeah, yeh, and deep, now, cow. Do I have a three minutes or one minute, please? Three minutes, thank you. My name is James Hulm from Huntington Beach. The Boat Up Supervisor of Orange County. Today we gather here not only to remember Black April, come on. A day that marked the fall of South Vietnam as we know of. And today, we also have to face a more personal betrayal, a betrayal from one of our community, former supervisor, Andrew Dough. Today, that man faced serious accusation, the stealing the embezzlement of million dollars from COVID-19 refund. It is a betrayal of the trust we once placed on him. But Apple is not touched a day of remembrance. It's as a matter of what we stand for, the trusted, integrity, and sacrifice. If we remain silent, we fail those who die for these values. If we tolerate corruption, with dishonor and legacy, we promise to carry forward. So I say today to you all, please speak up. Hold until no accountable. Only when justice is served can our community truly stand tall with honor, with dignity and with pride. Thank you. Thank you, sir. We call the next speaker, please. The next three speakers, Con Femme, Tina Tam and Tina Vaux. The next speaker is Long-Win, Cindy Chang Chang Wien, and Mai Long. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the hospital. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go you. Today, I come here to support Section S2-260. Because it is a promote the governors and leaders and candidates. We would like to request the board on the Department of Justice to review the corruption and bribe programs of Mr. and Mr. That's the right thing that you need to do. That's the right thing that you need to do. I would like to request the Board of Supervisors approved this decision today. to request the Board of Super we can't make a decision. We can't develop a good community and clean community if we did not resolve these corruption matters. and with the primary amount of money up to $5 million. You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? You want to come? Good morning, good evening. My name is Mylum. I'm from Gathe Grove and I came here to support for the CS 2016. And I request the law have to be due the right and strong and the right for Andrew Dowe. Thank you. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. May we call the next speaker, please? Nancy, when? How? When? And then? Tron. Yeah, good morning, my name is Superbhai. This is my name is Tom Dwan from the V-Cow TV and as a TV TV, I have a for many times interview fully, meet the Vincente and Janie Green. The reason I become here today, the my audience, Senator Messedet, to me, regarded three three. And for example, the memorial who has been the span of $1 million, you know, for the tech money. What's going on now? We want to hear your voice regarding about what happened in the Montrepox. It's looked like the garbage now. As a part of the 50 year, 58,000 American troops have you sacrificed a lives there. And now, and you don't use about $1 million to build the memorial work. And right now, if you have a chance, coming to see, it's what going on about there. And I hope the board make a decision as soon as possible regarding about $1 million has been spent for that issue. And second thing, I want to bring up the issue on the 31st March, the sentencing day, had been issued. I don't know if the reason had been delayed to the night or the sick, the June. The reason you know, they bring up the issue for $500,000 has been steal by Enryu Doe. It's not correct. A million, million dollar, over $13 million, at ten million dollars, has to be yielded for the people, have no money, no food to yield in the Indian or COVID times. I think now the time to review the case. I hear you know the information, you know, from the Sacramento regarding the, you know, stay at the N.A. They are follow up the what's going on about the mode that has been steel by Adryu Doe. The people, you know, going to markets, you know, in supermarkets, steal maybe on item, he may stay for one year in jail. And Andrew Doe, he cooperated with Hitler, and the people surround him, the VA, add something like that, and steal money and money, dollar to dollar, and the million dollar. unbelievable. If he only spend about one year in the Israel and they go back and have a bottle of whiskey and with the million dollar and spend it, it's very unfair to people of Orange County. And I hope you make a decision today for real thing. And Sen. Skay strongly to Madame Pamemodi for we can review the case. Thank you. Thank you, sir. The next speaker is deeply Sue Cowe and Dr. Anthony Wynn. Next speaker is Rapa Hayek, Luanne Nichols-Soup, and Ann Palmer. As far as dough goes, I'm from Anaheim, and he made sure that the homeless didn't get in because he made them all, no walk-ins, hide and beach, and a hind, point-up park, Santa Ana, and he should be facing murder charges of the 380 counts because he wouldn't let even on the winter showers be walkings. And as far as item 25 gold, I'm going to say it at this time, because I have other things to do. Make them, let them hire those that come through the door to have the trades to help run the shelters. Give them, make sure they get a breakfast, a bed, a dinner. If they have trades, hire them in those trades to help in the shelter, give them a hot lunch and minimum wage. Let's get these homeless off the street and get them to where they get walk in. Winner shelters, if they've got to stop, but they need help. Sure, thank you. Yeah, come to help us. The homeless will be glad to help. Lou Ann Nichols' chup and Ann Palmer. There are only three things I have to do in my life. Die and pay taxes. If I don't pay my taxes, I go to jail. Yet Mr. Andrew Doe has stolen over $10 million from our county, taxpayers' money, and thinks that is reprehensible that he should do more than five years prison time. I think it is reprehensible that Andrew Doe should get special treatment with a sentence of only five years time in prison. These funds were meant to feed seniors during the COVID, but instead the money was used to help buy houses for his daughter and his allies. That is reprehensible. To bring a basic perspective to the thievery, imagine all of those single moms trying to make ends meet from paycheck to paycheck pain taxes, only to have it stolen by Andrew Dowe. or fathers working two jobs trying to provide for their family pain taxes only to have it stolen by Andrew Doe. That is apprehensible and I could go on. It is no wonder that people do not trust the government. I ask that our county authorities do a more thorough investigation of Andrew Doe's scam and prosecute all involved and extend Andrew Doe's prison time. Thank you very much. I support the recommendation by Chairman Chaffee and supervisor Janet Wynn. I moved to Huntington Beach over three decades ago in the midst of ongoing investigations regarding governance and financial scandals in Orange County. Having lived in LA County and gone to college in the Chicago area, I fully expected those investigations to fizzle out and the likely perpetrators and bad faith players to sidle off into high-end private sector jobs or positions in other government organizations. I fought along as scandals were revealed and as in 1994 Orange County went bankrupt. Government had failed, yet it was beyond impressive the web of deceit that was made public and the subsequent efforts to prevent any recurrences. Again, I support the recommendation. The extent of incarceration for Andrew Doe is well below what is warranted and precedented. But it is the fallout from the network of financial misbehavior and deception that is critical to ensuring the future health of government and public economic security in my opinion. Every dollar that is misplaced for fraudulent reasons is support the deserving entity or person is not receiving. Every inappropriate political appointment and on lawful transfer of funds severely undermines public trust and the efficacy of appropriate government operations. Please take this matter seriously, thank you. Thank you. The last two speakers are Jean Paris and Court Chaplin-Vou. Thank you board of supervisors. I'm very happy to be here and I have to say I'm very impressed with all of the comments that were made earlier today by this community. And I'm just here to strongly support Supervisor Jen and Win and Supervisor Chaffee to speak out for a longer sentence for Andrew to. This is just unacceptable what he did with these funds. It's unrehancable, so I just want to thank you and continue the investigation. Thank you. Thank you. Board of Supervisors, Chairman and to the Vietnamese community and Republic Vietnam Armed Forces veterans here today. I stand before you as a court chaplain and proudly on behalf of my father, Vuvanteo, a Republic of Vietnam Armed Forces veteran. This month marks 50 years since Black April, a time of law, sacrifice and rebuilding. The Vitamuse community has placed deep trust in this county and the trust must be honored. Item S26C calling for DOJ review of Andrew Doe's plea deal must not be used to quietly shift blame or bury broader accountability. Because of Doe's action, if proven, it's not just his name that suffers, it affects our youth those who wish to study law or serve with integrity and now must carry the shadow of his action of his decision. In Vitamines culture we don't just protect our reputation we protect our family legacy under item two under S 26D this board is moving to extend $125 million in contracts, many without competition or oversight. That cannot be separated from this conversation. Do not deflect, do not dishonor and do not allow one man's failure to stain a whole community. This is black April. We remember, we stand and we protect our name with truth. Thank you. No for further speakers, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Madam Clerk. I'm going to come back to the board here for comments. So, for us to win, thank you for inviting me to join with you. And I'd like to hear your remarks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And first I want to thank you for navigating and allowing the speaker to have the appropriate time and for your patient and also for bringing the item forward. I also want to thank my colleagues for your patient today as well. Just so you know, most of these individuals here today, it's their first time at the board of supervisors meeting. And so it means a lot to me because it's like a lot of folks have in the past never gone to Sacramento until when I was there. They took a 24 hour trip just to go to Sacramento to see how Sacramento works. And so I appreciate them coming all the way and taking their time, whether from work or from their family to be here as well. And so we appreciate that, Mr. Chairman and colleagues, today I bring forward this resolution with the Chairman for the Integative Hour Justice System. And the trust our residents place in it is on the line. This is not about political retribution or politics. It is about fairness and justice. It is about accountability and it's about ensuring that public officials are held to the highest standard if not to the same standard, if not higher than everyone else. Since Andrew Doe's plea agreement became public last October, the community has been very outspoken in their concerns. To my office, to, you know, at events I'm at, coming up to me, residents, leaders, and victims of the pandemic have repeatedly asked why this case has been treated with such leniency. They're asking, how can someone steal over $10 million in COVID relief accepting over 700,000 in bribes and only facing up to. Not five years, it's up to five years in prison. In other words, people are saying this. If he were to serve, does say five years, that's two million dollars per year. Most Americans would never make two million a year in their lifetime. So it shows that in this crime, it pays. It pays big time. Why not? Why does someone like Andrew Doke get to go away and just serve the five years, up to five years? We don't know what that will be. After careful review, it's clear that this plea agreement does not reflect the gravity of the crime. And it absolutely does not send the right message about accountability. There are three glaring issues about the plea agreement that I want to point out. All in combined words, a reassessment of the case. First, the agreement does not allow additional charges in involving other organizations that may have played a role. Second, if Ford goes in number of charges, the DOJ did not even bother to pursue. And third, it lacked the lack of progress in investigation till this day, almost six months into the affiliated parties, raised a serious concerns. I want to address some of those. One, as mentioned, the additional charges involved other organizations that may have play a role. Since the plea agreement was released months ago, more information has surfaced, including the names of other organization with ties to Andrew Doe, that are appearing in the county audits. Yet those entities were not included in the DOJ's charging documents. If the deal stands, it prevents further charges for crimes connected to the same facts. No matter what else the county uncovered. Two, the potential charges deejated not pursue. Now let's turn to those charges, okay? Let's be clear, the DOJ had the evidence to pursue numerous serious charges, but instead, exchange for speedy and cooperative deal, they agree not to charge though with these more serious crimes. Here are the list. They can charge him for bribery of public official. Prohibits public official for accepting bribes in exchange for influencing official action. It ruins up to 15 years. Conspiracy to the fraud the United States, agreement between two or more people to the fraud the United States, the federal government, up to five years. FEPH or bribery concerning programs receiving federal funds, up to 10 years, false statements to financial institutions, institutions, up to 30 years. identity theft up to two years consecutive, male fraud up to 30 years. Identity theft, up to two years consecutive, mail fraud, up to 20 years, wire fraud, up to 20 years. Attemptive conspiracy to commit fraud, up to 10 years, money laundering. We know that occur. It's even in the court document of over $500,000, $700,000 up to 20 years, engaging in monetary transaction and criminal divide property. We know that occur because there are property bought with the COVID money up to 10 years. Instead they settle what a single count of conspiracy commit bribery concerning programs receiving federal funds. If you notice many of these charges that I just stated carry sentence of 10 years or more, the commission to bribery concerning programs receiving federal funds has a maximum of 10 years. Doe was just charged with conspiracy and agreement to commit bribery. A public official accepting a bribe faces 15 years. Yet Doe committed all these acts and only faces five up to five years. Why rush to accept a guilty plea to one less charge when there was clear evidence to pursue more? Was it go efficiency or accountability? Regardless, the perception is pure leniency. And to get more context, here's similar federal fraud cases. And it's on the agenda and I'm just going to really briefly mention it. A private citizen stole 9.6 million COVID relief. He received 10 years. Another private citizen received false claim to operate church and stole 4.2 million in SBTA loans, 94 months, nearly eight years for fraud and money laundering. A privacy from Orange County scam claiming that he has access to COVID medical gloves. He defrited them of $3 million and received a sense of 87 months. A former deputy mayor of Los Deansha's, facilitating over $1 million in bribe. Just $1 million. He received 12 years in prison. A former mayor of Lennwood, fund a $2.5 million in city funds through a fake consulting firm. Andrew Doe, it's in the court document. He did that and more. And this former mayor received 16 years in federal prison. If you compare it to Andrew, over 10,000,000, 700,000 bribes, maximum sentence of years and unlike most of these others he was a sitting public official not just a private citizen and we don't hold public official to a higher standard we undermine the public's trust so I'm asking us this is not an overreach this is this is. This is not an overreach, it's an oversight. We are not telling the DOJ what to do. We are urging them to reassess whether this agreement of host justice. We are asking them to finish what they started. I believe a public statement from this board does interfere, does not interfere with a federal case. It reflects the voice of our constituent and their right to demand answers. This resolution is not political, is about public integrity, public trust. We want people to trust the government, the county again. We cannot look the other way when serious crimes are met with soft consequences. We owe it to the victims, particularly in the first district. When the $10 million for COVID meal program, only 15% of that actually went to meals. 1.4 million actually went to meals, the arrests were squander. So I believe we owe it to the public and I ask my colleague to support the item and I respectfully ask for your support. Thank you, Supervisor Wands. Could you further follow it? Thank you. So as a lawyer and somebody who is involved in actually helping to prosecute a mayor in the city of Upland who stole from a constituent and and bribed a constituent who was sentenced to 24 months for taking what they could prove, even though it was greater than what they could prove, $5,000. I am familiar with the process. So I point out the what they can prove, is because while I agree with the sentiment by my colleague, I am concerned mostly about the delay in making the sentencing and effectuating the sentencing and finalizing this matter. I am concerned about that. But I also know that sometimes attorneys, especially Department of Justice prosecutors and DAs, only bring the items that they can prove directly. And so we don't know what evidence is available and is directly connected to Mr. Doe and not through some other conspirator. So that's where I get a little bit concerned about us trying to weigh in on whether or not the sentencing is appropriate given the crime that is being alleged. However, since the plea agreement was entered into, we have seen a continuation of a criminal-minded action. And that is when Andrew Doe, it was discovered that he was actually receiving emails that were attorney client-privileged confidential communications between our lawyers and us, advising us, strategizing with us, hearing from us about what we wanted to do in the civil case, giving us updates on the Department of Justice case, giving us updates on the district attorney's input, and unbeknown to all of us prior to him resigning, he had some kind of embedded coded email that would forward emails to his private email account, which by the way is in violation of county IT policy and none of us should be doing that and I assume none of us are. I know I could speak for myself, I don't do that. But we didn't know because we couldn't see it. So for that reason, I feel that the Department of Justice should reconsider and reassess the plea agreement because he continued to act in an unethical, criminal-minded manner, even after signing the plea agreement, and there is language in the plea agreement that prohibits that. And as a lawyer until he was disbarred, he had a duty once he knew that he was receiving those emails. Even if you assume that it was at first, it was a mistake because he needed to turn it off, he continued to receive the emails for more than five months. And as a lawyer, we have a duty when we receive confidential communications that are a trunee client privilege from the other side. We have a duty to call the other side and say, hey, I got confidential information. I'm destroying it. I'm sending it back to you. There's a specific code section that applies to us. And he violated, not only that, but he violated our trust, the public's trust, and he continued to do that type of bad action after entering into the plea agreement. For those reasons, I think it is justified to kind of reassess and reopen whether or not the up to five years is adequate. But I will say that we do continue to receive additional information. Unfortunately, the way it works is if that's why you enter into a plea agreement. Because maybe there is other information and you're trying to get a deal done before that comes out. But I do think that the actions by Andrew Doe, after entering into the plea agreement, continuing to violate the law, continuing to violate the public's trust and his role as a professional responsibility as a lawyer until he was disbarred our grounds for us reassessing and requesting that the item be reconsidered. Now, I would ask that you include in the resolution about the former Mayor of Uppland who has sentenced to 24 months for taking just $5,000 in bribes to steer a conditional use permit approval. Former LA City Council member Jose Weissar who has sentenced to 13 years in prison in 2024 for taking 1.5 million in cash bribes, luxury trips, gambling chips, and other lavish gifts from a developer in China. And I will say that this, it does not appear that we have someone who is showing remorse for the actions taken against the vulnerable community that he was elected to serve, but rather someone who is remorseful for being caught. So I appreciate the speakers who came here today, especially those of you who it's your first time to speak and to attend this county supervisor meeting. I appreciate you taking the time out of your day. I appreciate you having the bravery and the courage to step outside of maybe your comfort zone and be here in support of this item. So thank you. Mr. Vazir Wagner. Thank you Mr. Speaker. I'm Mr. Chairman. And I am not going to support the resolution and feel that I owe it to the community to explain why. I will start with the thing I think all of us in the room. Certainly I know all of us on the dius share, and that is a poreance with conduct of our former colleague with his betrayal of the public trust, with the fact that he flat out lied to many of us. I remember sitting in meetings, they were scag meetings, we were on a committee together, and he was to me why there was nothing there and it was all of end data against him and at the time I and many of us knew better but never the last he continued and it is a personal betrayal of me, it is a personal betrayal of every member of this board, more importantly, it is a personal betrayal of the community that we are elected to serve. We know all of that. More importantly, the justice system knows all of that. This resolution asking our board to weigh in is, my mind beyond the competence, beyond the responsibility of this board because while we all know about that behavior and about those lies and about that betrayal as supervisor fully just outlined very very articulately, there's a lot we don't know. And for us to weigh in, for us to rush in in the face of that ignorance, is to disregard the fact that we don't know, that others with other places in the justice system, more responsibility, more knowledge of the facts may know, nevertheless we are going to rush in. That to me shows a profound disrespect for the prosecutors and law enforcement at the state and county level who've worked so hard on this case know it better than we do and have said this is the deal appropriate under the circumstances. It shows a profound disrespect for the judge who is ultimately going to have to make this decision to have the normal machinery of the courtroom, the prosecutors and the defense, the sentencing guidelines that Congress has imposed, all of that playing in the case, and need to evaluate Mr. Doe and whether or not he agreed or performed under his agreement or didn't. The judge asked away all of that, and now there's a political body throwing our two cents in. I think that is a disrespect for the judge. And collectively, to my mind, it shows a disrespect for the system of justice. It grinds slowly, we know that. But it does grind finally. It does ultimately work. And it is not our place in that system of justice to weigh in on the issue of punishment. Wait a minute, he's got to be held fully accountable. Okay. That full accountability is for the prosecution and the judge to make a determination. We don't know a lot. We don't know whether the agreement goes signed with the prosecution team was complied with, not complied with, half-heartedly complied with, vigorously complied with, we don't know. We don't know whether any of those other so far uncharged, unsentence dependence are going to get charged, are going to get sentenced based on what Doe said or not. We don't know. We have no idea what the endgame of this case is. And it is not for us to say judge, prosecute, and we don't know what the endgame of this case is and and it is not for us to say judge prosecutors go back on your word and don't honor this agreement. We hear oh crime pays $2 million a year $10 million five years that's $2 million a year crime pays, except does not keep in that $2 million dollars, five years, that's $2 million a year, crime pays. Except, does not keep in that $2 million. Not sure there's anyone in the room that would go to jail and do five years in federal penitentiary for $2 million a year, but maybe some of you would. That's not Do's deal. He doesn't get to keep that money. And finally, but what about those emails? What about the secret back door into the computer system that Supervisor Doe had? Reprehensible yes? Discovered too late yes? Something that should cause the judge and the prosecutors to step back and say, hey, wait a minute. Let's look again at this, yes. But though hasn't been sentenced yet, there is time for the system to work. The prosecutors know about that back door into the system. The judge knows about that backdoor into the system. Let the system of justice work. Because that's how it's supposed to be done in a courtroom. Not in a board of supervisors hearing. There's a reason in a courtroom why all these people in the community are not going to be allowed to come in and say, give him more time, kick him again, hit him again, not enough, give him more. That's not how our system of justice works in a courtroom. It isn't how it should work here because we don't even have that role to play. I think we ought to respect the system. I think we ought, vote down this resolution. All of us express our disgust with what our former colleague did. But at the end of the day, respect the rule of law. And the system and the way it was designed. And let the chips fall where they may. None of us, none of us, even for $2 million a year, would right now want to be an Andrew Doe shoes. I urge you no vote. Thank you, Vice-Ouvazer Wagner. Vice-Ouvazer Sarviyato. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Let me begin by thanking those who came to speak and attend and show support for the resolution. I certainly empathize with you and am just as offended by what we see was the upper range of the proposed plea deal. I also want to thank the chair and supervisor. When I know before supervisor, when got to the board, she was one of the most vocal voices calling for justice because she knew intimately what had been done to her community and our community here in Orange County. What we witnessed was something that was playing out in plain view. So I know I was one of the loudest voices here on this board to urge the prosecution of Mr. Doe. One of the first voices to ask that he resign, one of the first voices to strip him of his appointments, to censure him, and to continue this investigation because we know Mr. Doe didn't act alone. So I do certainly agree and I'm frustrated by the fact that there hasn't been more investigation into the network of other offenders and violators of the law. I do wanna say, you know, I'm glad that the case of Jose Huizar was brought up, he's a city council member, was a city council member in the city of Los Angeles and received 13 years for abusing his office. That is certainly proportionate to what harm he did, but the five years on the upper end of the range here is something that I feel is very, very low, in my opinion. Something that I was disappointed with, I have tremendous respect for the U.S. attorney that handled this matter. Martin Estrada, who no longer is with the Department of Justice, but Martin is a person of integrity. He's actually a person who was born and raised here in San Ana. And he prosecuted many cases, including the Jose Wiesar case where Jose received 13 years. One of the things I know that we have to understand is that our role as a legislative body is something that's limited to legislation. And for us to veer off into questioning what the judiciary does is something that does concern me. I want to make sure that we understand whether or not that's something that we can do. So I was going to ask our county council if he could tell us if this if a board has ever presented and adopted a resolution such as this, basically telling a prosecutorial body whether it's the district attorney, whether it's the attorney general, whether it's the Department of Justice to change its plea agreement with a defendant. Thank you, Supervisor Sarmiento. And I did a search of the county's Agenda Search Engine. And I looked for the kind of terms that are in this resolution, like for example, Department of Justice or sentencing. I found nothing in that system. So nothing that has been on the board agenda for the last 20 or so years. The closest example I found was about 10 years ago. The board at that time was outraged by a light sentence that had been handed down by the court Judge Mark Kelly to a charmelester. And the board members were outraged by that and passed a resolution condemning that light sentence. That's the closest analogy I've been able to find. Yeah. Thank you for that. I don't think we're prohibited from doing or introducing a resolution like this for consideration, but it's certainly irregular. It sounds like in the history of this board we haven't done something like this. I certainly, as a lawyer and I think it's been mentioned before, we understand our lanes, right? And I know that prosecutorial discretion is based upon the facts and based upon a charge that we can not only make, but that we can prove as prosecutors. I certainly was on the other end of it as a public defender, so I've certainly seen many prosecutors overcharge and be to zealous in their action. But when it comes to federal issues, there does have to be almost a respect that we have to have as a legislative body. My concern with this is that we are overstepping where our role is. I certainly think that we are as offended as both sponsors of this and of the community. And they're concerned with what's been done and the possible light sentence that Mr. Doe will receive. I'm just as offended by former Mayor Harry Sadou, who just got two months for his corruption actions in the city of Anaheim. I don't know if we are now going to weigh in on those charges, weigh in on those sentences, because I'm just as offended and I received calls from people in Anaheim all the time, saying that how could a mayor of use his authority so much that he's only gonna receive two months as a sentence? So I don't know if this is a slippery slope that we now start questioning, not only charges, plea agreement sentencing, and if we do, then we should really think about this long and hard. So I am, you know, my goal was going to be to draft a letter, send an amicus brief to the court when it comes to sentencing, explaining why I think Mr. Doe should receive the upper end of that range, that five-year range. That's where I feel it's appropriate to apply. I think an Amicus brief is something that's been done. It's something that this board has done in the past. And that's certainly what I was going to do as an individual supervisor here, who saw the criminal actions of Mr. Doe play out in front of us. And I remember the question that I asked to this board and to the public and it was more rhetorically. Is there a corruption in Orange County? There certainly was and we certainly see that it was done in plain view of us. Fortunately, we continue to push on this issue and and Mr. Doe is now no longer on the sport. He is going to be sentenced. I do think what's novel here, though, is the information that since revealed about these text messages. I do think that that's something that should be considered by the Department of Justice, because I do think that is new information that could impact whether or not that plea deal was done in full with full context of the information that he had. Nonetheless, I am having some difficulties, again, as a legislative body interfering with the judicial branch and it seems to me, the supremacy clause, the separation of powers, just basically staying in our lanes makes it very difficult for me just to see how we can support this with this instrument, with this resolution. I know it's not binding, it's something that really represents the spirit of what we believe, which is saying that we believe that this plea and this potential low sentence is something that's offensive to the community, I completely agree with the spirit of the resolution. There is no doubt that I believe Mr. Doe should have had a proportionate sentence relative to what he committed. $10 million from some of the poorest people in our county who needed it during a time of pandemic is something that should be much, much higher. Unfortunately, I don't know what evidence the prosecution had. The prosecution didn't even name Mr. Doe in the complaint and that troubles me as well. I know that he was not a name defendant. So a lot of that information that probably came to pass when they were deliberating on this and negotiating this plea deal is something that I didn't have access to. But I do certainly support the spirit, the effort of letting the prosecution know, the court know how outraged we are with the conduct that he committed on the people of Orange County and especially those that counted on him the most. So I am, I'm gonna consider listening a little bit more, but that's Mr. Chair where I am right now. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor. We'll go around again, but no, I think I need to weigh in at this point. I share, Supervisor Wagner is a personal disappointment in the fact that, yes, we were lied to. And that is a bit of my motivation that has changed from where I was in the beginning. I feel like I've been a little bit used in the process by Suvizodot. I would like to compliment Andrew Dose lawyer for coming up and providing us with information about the emails that shows me the lawyer had a lot of integrity to do that. And also he did a pretty good job for his client, I would say, from the way the plea deal worked out. I don't know what point he became aware of the emails, but at least one thing in Andrew Doe's favor, he would have known if Andrew didn't tell him about those emails. So there's a lot been said about evidence, and that's somewhat why I support the matter before us. It needs to be looked at. I don't know that we change necessarily the plea deal, but it does stir things up. It does get things looked at more, and I've been disappointed when I see the slow process When others who were perpetrators or received the benefit are not being prosecuted or held responsible for their actions. Also, I think it not only expresses the disappointment of the board, but it speaks to the desire to have integrity and openness and transparency as a spirit here that we need to live by. And so I think that's part of what's embodied in this resolution. And I really appreciate hearing from the Vietnamese community, for them coming out. No one more than the Vietnamese community is offended by the conduct of Andrew Dough. That just is so clear to me. And I think that's why they're here to speak in favor of this resolution. I was a bit shocked when I saw all the actual sentence that Harry Hidd, who received the his plea deal allowed for a greater sentence. Yet he didn't get it. And that kind of jolted me a little bit. Well, what if the plea deal with that Andrew Doe has? It comes in so much less than what could be the result. That kind of motivated me too to join here with Supervisors Noen. And so the process has been slow. And yeah, the wheels adjust as do turn slowly, but I think this investigation needs to be complete, thorough. So we get it behind us and we know what actually it was. And this is, I don't intend to upset the plea deal made, but I do want to say things looked at that are surrounded. And why is it moving so slowly? And that's sort of my motivation here in supporting this item. So I just want things cleaned up, looked at more thoroughly. We do have a new administration and a part of justice. Let's see what they think. This gives them an opportunity to weigh in. That's my motivation here. And so if I go back to Supervisor Nguyen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to first, I willing to accept to add to the resolutions, the cases that Supervisor Vice Chair, woman mentioned, the few of those cases. Just wanted to address something, I want to go back to the item itself. The item here states is to review and reassess the terms. Review and reassess. It never said that we were interfering. It never says that we know more information or that we were privileged to any documents or any investigation, there's a new justice in the federal government. President Trump has numerous time mentioned that he wants one justice system. And this is an opportunity for us to ask the DOJ to review and reassess. And that also includes, as the chairwoman mentioned, the issues on the emails. No one on this board has gone a county staff to put them to put in a code, to put their personal email address so that they can secretly receive emails forwarded to their personal emails. No one on this board. I was, I served on this board back then. I don't remember any of us doing that. I didn't do it. I don't understand how it's allowed, how he is able to manipulate a staff or individuals in this county to be able to pull that off. And so it continues to the mindset that he's not remorseful. He continues to allow and want, and it's just that for him, it's unfortunate unfortunately got caught. And so again, you know, it's yes, I know we are a government body but we are the government body that got cheated. We're just not just a government body who can't have a voice. We take positions on many things. We put things on the agenda, whether it's up, you know, bills that we take, you know, we weigh in on in Sacramento or in Washington, D.C. We weigh on issues as well in the community. You know, if we don't ask for them to reassess, we're not doing our duties as representing the 3.2 million people in Orange County. And particularly for me, I still stand by the fact that we should ask them to re-look at it. You have a new US attorney in LA, just got sworn in last week. There's so many movements and so many things that's going on in DC that a lot of the cases in DCs are being reassessed or being re-looked at. This one particularly hits home because it's in our backyard, it's in our community. We can sit here and say that we agree that he did bad things, but we don't stand up and think outside the box and at least call attention to what is wrong and at least ask them to reassess and reevaluate the case. Then we're not doing a job and we're not allowing it to be. And we're allowing it to be. And the end game, if we allow the end game to be what it is today, it will be up to five years. And we didn't say word. And I'm not a lawyer. I'm the only one on this dice that isn't a lawyer. I don't get to go and write, you know, briefs, because briefs, the public doesn't either. You know, it's okay. I believe strongly because this hit home, this happened in our house. We have the right to send a voice to say, hey, DOJ, why we appreciate what you looked into, we want you to reconsider it and reassess it and we look at all the evidence, including new ones as well. I know that also in the court, I would be surprised when the hearing is there, there'll be victims at that court hearing to voice their concerns. And the victims who are they, they're orange county residents, we are the victims of it. My district is the victims of it. And so we have that right, and we should be able to exercise it. And yeah, we should do it before the censencing. So that gives them time, if they choose to, we look at this case or reassess it, it gives them time before that censencing to look at all information, all the evidence, new and old. And so, you know, again, going back to, why don't make sure that we are talking about the same thing. This is on the agenda. This is attached resolution urging the US Department of Justice to review and reassess the terms of the plea agreement and sensing recommendation. That's one. Second is authorized and direct county council send on behalf of the board a formal letter to the attorney general, the US Attorney General, Pam Bondy, and also US Attorney Bill Asalee of Los Angeles requesting one, a review of the plea agreement and sentencing, and two, the advancement of the DOJ's investigation to other individuals involved in the scheme. So again, this is not us interfering and is not stating that we saw any documents or any other information. We're just asking, please, we look at this. Thank you, Sue Reserwin and also for being the non-lawyer on the board. Sue Reserfoli. Thank you. Could we give an update on where we are? I just pulled up the plea agreement so I could refresh my recollection on some of the terms that are part of the restitution. So have, do we know if the restitution payment has been paid yet? Mr. Page, I guess you would be the person. I don't know who else. Thank you, Supervisor. I have no information on that. Okay. So as you know, the terms of the agreement require forfeiture of a variety of properties, one in Tustin, one in Santa Ana, a forfeiture of $1.7 million in JP Morgan bank for funds held in the name of Viet America Society, a forfeiture of $700 in about $30,000 in funds from JP Morgan bank held in the name of a low-hoff financial investment. And the terms of the agreement also require a restitution payment of 700, maybe 730. 730? I'm sorry. 730? $730,000 to be paid at the time of the sentencing or before the sentencing. So I'm not sure if that has been paid yet. And then we, of course, just in terms of timing on the conduct as bad action as it relates to the emails, the timing is such that it's a different lawyer. It's the civil litigation attorney that told us about the emails. The criminal defense attorney is someone different that was participating in the plea agreement. So the emails, the civil litigation attorney had a duty just like Andrew Dough had a duty but fulfilled their duty because once we named Andrew Doe in the civil litigation case, so we're talking here about the plea bargain on the criminal federal case that's being prosecuted that is set for sentencing in June and that's the criminal matter. But we still have the county of orange. We are still suing on the civil side to recover the funds that the county lost as a result of the bad actions of the Viet America society, a low-hoff financial and Andrew Doe. So we named Andrew and then I presume what happened. We't we don't really know yet We won't know until we take the deposition but He probably thought he had evidence and so he gave it to his attorney who then did his duty to send it over to our attorney But having said all that I guess you know I have it's hard for me to take off my lawyer hat and understanding of where our role is in terms of the process. Even while I feel the outrage, which I have felt from the beginning and which I have felt from even before we actually had proof of this because some of you might remember, I was hazed pretty badly by Andrew Doe, my first year on the dius, anytime I would ever ask any question. And so, I later learned why. But so I am equally outraged. But I also understand that this plea agreement is tied to a whole variety of things. It's tied to cooperation. It's tied to other individuals' cooperations, including the daughter. It's tied to, you know, whatever evidence they have. And we aren't in the room. We don't know. So what I would say is I would like to see us ask for the full sentence to be implemented as part of our request that we I don't I'm hesitant to say undo the plea agreement unless there's some basis for undoing a plea agreement because otherwise what we're saying is that we don't care about contracts, right? So that concerns me. If there is a basis to undo the plea agreement because of some failure that was required as part of the terms of the plea agreement, then yes, then we should have that reassessed. But if there isn't any basis to undo the plea agreement, then we should be asking for the full five-year sentence, as opposed to, you know, on like Harry's to do, got two months, right? So that's where I struggle on this and the language in the document, the resolution itself specifically asks that this be reconsidered. So maybe there's a way that we could rewrite it to say if there was a breach of the terms of the plea agreement that they reassess based on new information. That's probably what they would investigate. Sufizer Wagner. Mr. Chair and I'll try to be brief. As council made clear in response to a question from Supervisor Surnianto, back when Attorney General Barr gave way to Attorney General Garland under the new Biden administration, we didn't just go and ask that the Department of Justice review and reassess other cases. It is in no way a normal thing with the change of administrations for this board to weigh in and ask the new guy or gal in this case to take a look at what the old guy or gal did. And so, yes, the document does say review and assess, but at the end of the day, that is not any role this board has ever played yet before. And I'll also add that the result really, to be fair, does more than say review and reassess. It puts a very heavy thumb on that review and reassessment because it also says in the third whereas a sentence that fails to reflect the full scope of his self-dealing and corruption. That is not saying reassess whether the sentence fails to reflect the full scope, it is saying this sentence fails to reflect. It goes on and says there is disparate treatment or potentially disparate treatment. It's not saying, look at whether there was disparate treatment, but we, the board of supervisors, from our position, way up on the top of some government hill, see this disparate treatment. It goes on to say in the very final resolution, again, not review and recess, but make sure Andrew Doe is held fully accountable. So it's nice to say it's just about reviewers and reassessing who could object to the new administration taking a look at this. But our thumb is on the scale and that is not our role as a county board of supervisors to do that. And so I continue despite the effort to downplay what we're trying to do here, say this is not us, stay in our lane and let the judge do his duty. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Wrazer-Wraggner. Mr. Wrazer, have you been sent to your agreement? Thank you, Mr. Chair, for that full introduction. So I feel more empowered as we saw. So again, I just want to be very brief. I want to thank, again, Supervisor Win and the chair for introducing this. I think these are efforts to try to say do with some justice in this matter that we know there was abuse, there was a violations of law, so I get it, I completely get that outrage, I think we were living that in real time just you know around this time last year and so all of us felt you know so sometimes you know disappointed by the aggressiveness that we felt should have been done by the prosecution at all levels, But I do want to say that to those that came to speak and those that were impacted by this. I am certainly going to be raising my voice when it comes to trying to compel and trying to ensure that Mr. Doe receives a maximum sentence here. I just am going to do it probably at another stage where I believe it's more appropriate, which is at the sentencing. And if I have to go there personally and describe what I saw some of my residents deal with and suffer. As a result, I will do it. I certainly plan to do it in writing, but if we have to, I think we'll do it in person as well. My concern, one of my additional concerns is having a new administration, a new Attorney General and Department of Justice staff, what scares me is that we've already seen that Department of Justice act in the case of Mayor Eric Adams in New York City, where his corruption case was completely dismissed with prejudice. So I'm not so sure I have the same confidence in this administration's Department of Justice that I did with the former. So for those reasons, I am going to not oppose, but I'm certainly going to abstain on this matter because I believe that my voice at the sentencing hopefully will be better used and it won't take this board down the hill of being on a slippery slope because if we're going to do this I certainly think we should do a rezo in opposition to the sentence that that Mr. Sadoo received in Anaheim so So in any event, thank you for Mr. Chair. Those are my remarks. If I'm right at this point, Wayne, I see we have a divided board. We're not together. And as I certainly like the concept of Amicus brief, perhaps from the board unanimously weigh in about the actual plea deal that was made. And that might be a direction that we go. That might be something that seems more appropriate. And I'm not sure we can agree on all the language here in a even a majority vote is what I'm sensing here. So what I've kind of like to do, it gives staff a direction to see what a or county council in particular a opportunity to draft an amicus brief for respect to the sentencing, which I believe we're entitled to do. And keeping with the supervisor, Sarbriento's suggestion, I like that. I think that's an appropriate way of weighing in. And I don't know that we have a, where three votes would be on this, but I would rather have a unanimous board on this item. So I think I would at this point, simply move that this be continued for further discussion. And if there's some redrafting that any supervisor would like to have considered, then we can do that in the process. And so I would like to move that this item be continued the next meeting. See if we can't wrap this into something more comprehensive and more comfortable to the all the board. Mr. Chairman. Well, let's see. Sue Brasinoan is next. Go ahead, Madam. Vice Chair. Thank you. I have, I just have two language changes that would allow me to support the item. And it's based essentially on what I said earlier. If you look at the third from the bottom now therefore it be resolved. After the phrase DOJ review and reassess the plea agreement reached with Andrew Doe insert the phrase to determine any subsequent breaches of the plea agreement, Alma, and then the rest of that sentence, ensuring that his sentenceing aligns with the severity of his subsequent offenses. And I feel like I could be comfortable if we added those two changes, because for me it's about the integrity of the system and a contract, right? And so if there was a breach of that contract, then I think it's justified to reassess. And so the two changes that I would want to be added to be able to support this resolution as written. Where is the other one you mentioned? Adding the other offenders. So the the sentence would read in the now, therefore be it resolved. I'll just read the whole sentence. The DOJ review and reassess the plea agreement reached with Andrew Doe comma to determine any subsequent breaches comma, ensuring that his sentencing aligns with the severity of his subsequent offenses and the rest of the resolution. I'll move that, Mr. Chairman. That also includes the cases samples that the vice chair also added earlier. Those are the two items. I'll second. Okay, at least there's some agreement on this. Supervisor Wagner. I would suggest that your prior motion, which I sort of now wish I jumped in and seconded, would solve. Continuance allows us to do this word smithing not on the dius, off the dius with the involvement of council and maybe we get to a place where we all are in agreement. I think, I mean, Lionel was supervisor Sarmiento and your suggestion Mr. Chair, the better practice would be for us, ostensibly as the victims or representative of the victims truthfully, to weigh in at the sentencing with a brief with an appearance with whatever would be appropriate at the time as opposed to again this even with the word smithing we're still asking the Department of Justice to go back and take a look and potentially undo undo all of this so the word smithing doesn't get me there for what it's worth but I think your motion to continue this really is wise and would be a way to get us someplace where we could be unanimous. Okay, we have a motion that is moved in seconded. I made a motion, but I didn't hear a second. Okay, so at this point, I think I'm going to abstain on the revised motion. I do believe that the word smithing would be appropriate in giving us time. Also to look at an Amicus brief. So we do have that motion. So let's say those in favor. Mr. Chairman. Yes. May I, Mr. Chairman. The the language that we're added were actually in enhances and helps our resolution and it does add two more cases onto the cases to demonstrate the inconsistency of the sentencing or you know the cases that we cited. So it doesn't change anything else in the resolution. I think moving forward, it is important to move forward sooner than later. And the reason is because his sentencing is in June. It gives the DOJ an opportunity to have a few weeks versus one or two. So, you know, I'm asking the board to re-look at it and the language that we're just added changes. And we've done it before. We did it in last meeting, last summer meetings, where I made a comment that, you know, this is where sausages are made made in government you get to see us actually compromise and working together on the Dias because we are bounded by the Brown Act and we can't communicate with each other and even if we did continue the item Mr. Chairman we can't communicate with each other anyways and so I just want to make sure if you re-look at it, Mr. Chairman, the language is exactly what we had presented, just adding two more cases and like eight more words to the now bear be there to now that there be it resolve so it's not changing the entire you know resolutions or you know it's giving the D.A.J. more time and to alert them and just saying hey can you reassess this is not not again Making Jurassic changes to the resolution, Mr. Chairman Well, I would express my concern that then we would have a three to two passage and that doesn't have the strength that a unanimous Passage would have and So I want to bring the entire board along if I could I don't you can on this issue. I think it's very clear that some members on this board has voted an opposition on a lot of things about Andrew Doe in the last eight months. I've watched the board. And I respect everybody's comments and everybody's opinions. I just think that I I thought this would be a no brainer, to be honest, but I understand. I understand that there's four lawyers, and I'm the only non-lawyer, and I understand that you have a different mindset and a different perspective in terms of the law. I was a lawmaker. I was the one who executed the law or representative folks. I made laws in Sacramento instead. And I think, you know, so I do respect, although I disagree with some of the comments my colleagues has made today. But I think moving forward, even with a 3-2, I think still sends a message that, hey, can you reassess this? This is just asking for reassessment and asking to give them some time because if not, once the sentencing's happen, if somebody on this dies, wants to bring forward the hairy to do, the sentencing's over. Games over then. We need to give them the time to look at it before the sentencing. And if we delay this, it could be delay longer, but the outcome of it is going to be, I don't know how the outcome can happen when we can't communicate with each other. It's like I can communicate with any of the board members' offices besides yours, Mr. Chairman, on this item. And I respect that, because that's, we're bounded by the Brown Act. And so I think moving forward, one of three, two, still sends a message, a very strong one because the majority of the board states that, you know, we're asking for DOJ to reassess the plead and looking at what, you know, given the new information that has come forward on the email issue, I think it warns us to make that statement and I would appreciate as moving forward just letting this move forward so that we can allow them more time to even consider it. The chance of them considering it is not even there. I mean, this is just asking a board, or asking a department to reconsider a case, to recess it. Do we recall the question on the vote on the motion at the time? I request we call the question. Well, we have to vote on that, then. All right, there are question called meaning we could. Is there a second? Second. There's a second to call the question. That means those indicating that we should cut off any further discussion and vote on the matter, please indicate by saying aye. I. I. I. I hear just two so the motion fails. That supervisor Sarmianto did you have any for the comments? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I simply was going to ask County Council. I know that the chair had made a motion to continue. Did it die for lack of a second? How long does it survive out there? I mean, that was a... Because I was ready I was ready to second it but somebody all started speaking so I just thought let me give them the courtesy to make a comment but Just a question. I guess procedurally Thank you, sir. I would certainly encourage the chairman and the board members to be clear in what motion is now before it Now before the board before us as the one that was moved in seconded before my motion was seconded. And so that would be what would be voted on. My concern again is the lack of total support. And my suggestion for a continuous was only for two weeks. We'll bring it to April 22nd. And it seemed like that we could get some- Mr. Chairman, we have confusion with the- Between the clerk and I, we don't know what the board is voting on. So could you say what the motion does? Would you like me to say it? Mr. Chairman? The motion that I've wanted to make, but didn't get seconded in time, as I understand. It was to simply continue the matter of the next meeting. But in the meantime, there was a motion with changes to the resolution made by a supervisor Foley. I think she made the motion, or was it supervisor Wynn? I think so, it went. Seconded by supervisor Foley. And that is the first motion to be moved and seconded, and that is what's before us. Okay. Suviser Wagner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A couple of things in response to the urging that we move forward as is. First of all, the Brown Act does limit what we can say, of course, but the conversation had moved towards, let's do a, in Mekis brief, let's do a victim impact statement, let's do something through council that would allow council to do the work and do the massaging in and around some of the concerns with respect to the Brown Act. And so I don't see that concern given, I think, the wise idea that we move forward in a different manner to be the better approach. I also question whether we'll be 3-2, as was suggested, as I hear your concerns that are very well taken. This may be 2-3 to have the thing die. And we don't want necessarily for it to die because we do think that there is a role we can play within our own lane, within Amicus or with a victim impact statement. If we're going to start adding all these other cases, okay, let's throw in the Harry Siddhu case where the guy got two months. That suggests, boy, the feds are really coming down hard on dough when they don't come down hard on Harry Siddhu. I am not saying that. I don't believe the cases are in least bit similar, but that underscores some of the problems with all those cases listed in our Rezo and throwing new ones in. a mayor that Supervisor Foley represented, oh, you didn't represent him. Got two years, you know, got two, all right. So, like, are we comparing apples to apples in these cases? We don't know the facts of any of those cases. We don't know whether there were plea agreements. We don't know whether there was an agreement honored or not honored in any of those cases that required deviation upwards from the sentence. We don't know how many charges, how many counts there were. We don't know whether anyone reneged on any of those deals that got done. We don't know. Supervisor Foley began her remarks today with we don't know. We still don't know. So we want to pile on all these extra cases. So what? We still don't know. And it's not our place to put that thumb on the scale. Let's do down this rezo. Let's do an amicus or a witness statement. Let's have council figured out for us and come back. And that way, express in the proper forum this boards, abhorrence and repugnance at Andredo's conduct. Thank you, Sue Roser-Fulley. Thank you. Just to be clear for the record, I did not represent the mayor. I represented a client who wore a wire for the FBI because the mayor was bribing him. And so he went to prison for two years. But having said that, okay, so I don't see why we can't do both. I don't think voting on this resolution today prevents us from also directing staff, and I would ask the maker of the motion. Would you include in your motion a direction to staff to move forward with a meekest brief or impact statement? Sure. Okay, So we can do both and we don't need to delay for two weeks to give direction to do that. So I would like us to vote on the resolution and move this matter forward. I think we've all shared our view. I think everybody up here is outraged by what happened. We just all have different ways of feeling that we have a role to play in this process, and I respect everyone's perception on that. So I would like us. We spent it's 1215. I mean, we have a whole full agenda. So if we could vote on this item and then see where it goes and decide what we're going to do after that. I don't like combining it that way. I'm the answer to motion, but you're asking me to vote no, I'm combining it that way and it won't pass. I want it separate. I want to see what it looks like. Okay. It's not my item. So if I was a supermento, no, supermento brought it up as a suggestion. No, this item that we're voting on, you brought it forward. Not this way. Okay. It's been changed. Okay. To me, significantly so. I am, I am outraged by what's happening. But I want this to be done correctly in a way that makes sense. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. I would really like to understand how the edits that I added are significantly changing the outcome of your resolution. It was to address the comments that were made. Well, thank you with interruption. Can you explain it so that we know? I just want to be able to talk to you about this because the brown now. All right, you're not on the dius at the moment. I did not appreciate your interruption. All right? Okay, yes you are but you should not your turn. Okay. So I would like to see that separately. It may be an action. and it could be taken in lieu the other. I want to see them how it is. It is something it could be sent also to the Department of Justice if it is done correctly, the type of thing. This thing, and I again concerned about not having a unanimous board on this thing. I think it's stronger and I don't see anything wrong with simply continuing this two weeks to consider all these things and the words method and so on that has been done. So I don't want this item to die. So my suggestion is we simply continue this for two weeks. We can look at all these different things that have been brought up in a way that is more orderly and sensible. And I'll second just for the record. We still have a motion. I think that was a motion but if we we have a motion colleagues that, you know, to understand that I don't see delaying this two weeks would get us a unanimous vote. So if we delay the two weeks, if there's not unanimous vote, do we get to move forward with the three two votes or four one or whatever it is, I just don't want to delay this just for the sake of delaying the process. You know, if it, you know, I'm willing to move forward with it today. I'm willing to remove the Amicus brief out of my motion to make it a separate direct directive by the chairman. And I will support that directive as well. But if this, you know, Mr. Chairman, this vote here, I don't see in two weeks from now we would get a unanimous. It's very clear on this diet that there's not a unanimous support for what is being moved forward. And so, you know, I'm just asking is that, you know, if I, if I do support the delay of two weeks, is there a commitment to move this forward, even without unanimous vote in two weeks? I would say that would be the case. Okay. If that's the case, then I will withdraw my motion and I will move the motion. I will continue the item and I would also direct staff to look at a me. I will continue the item and I would also direct staff to look at a how we can put a together a brief or a statement or whatever as well in addition to continue to work on this resolution and the board will be meeting in the next in the in two weeks not four weeks from now but in two weeks the next meeting We have a motion a new motion of lord has been moved and seconded and So I'm not sure if there's more comment or not Yes, it's asked the question. Thank you I'm sorry. What was the condition that was your motion was conditioned on? The motion, so several things, one is so that we, one we can continue to work on the resolution to add in the suggested changes that you have stated today into the resolution. Two is that we will move forward even though there is not a announces vote in two weeks. There's a three-two we move forward in supporting that you know if there's that three-two and then third is to directing staff to look at potentially the county you know presenting a amicus brief to the court when the census is occur in June. Okay, so if we're going to move forward with a three to vote in two weeks, I don't, I guess I don't understand why we can't have a three to vote today, because it seems odd that we would condition a continuance on a vote that we could take today, and what if the person changes their opinion? Because what I heard the chairman says, he doesn't like my additional changes. So how can you secure that he's going to vote for it in two weeks? Well, okay, we do have a new motion, the original motion has been withdrawn by the maker, and we now have another motion, it has been moved in second in a timely way to continue this matter for two weeks. So that's what's before us at the moment. Are there any comments on a two week motion? I won't be supporting the motion because I don't think that the conditions can be met. And so I won't be- What's not conditioned, I will commit though that I will personally make a vote one way or the other in two weeks. Ha, that is my point. Yeah, so, okay, all right. So those in favor, continuing this matter for two weeks, please indicate by saying aye. Aye, aye. I think we have to, in your voting, no. Four 1 motion carries. And I would further that the sense of the board is that we, that county council of look into and prepare, or at least begin drafting, an Amicus brief, with respect to the suns and sing before the court in June. I think that's what I'm hearing since the board and if we can have a draft by our next meeting, that would be helpful. All right, we are at the new hour. When normally we would be in closed session, what's the sense of the board? Do we want to go ahead? Do you want to come back and do the agenda later? In the closed session. Close session now. All right, we are asked to clerk to read the closed session. Closed session now. All right, we are asked to clerk to read the closed session items. SCS 200 County Council Conference of Legal Council anticipated litigation, significant exposure to litigation, pursuant to government co-section 54956.92, number of cases multiple. SCS 300 County Council of legal council, existing litigation, pursuant to a government cost section 54956.91, name of case, like the CA of Romero versus county orange, SCS-4 under county council, conference of legal council, existing litigation, pursuant to a government cost section, 54956.91, name of case, Megan Dohn, Ed Hall, versus Kenny Orange at all. And SCS-5, under county council, conference of legal council, existing litigation. Versus into government co-section 5.5.6.9.1. Name of case, county orange versus Southern California Edison and team mobile. And Mr. Chamber, we have one request to speak on SCS-2. Please call the speaker. Brankay. Happy day. So this has the, we're discussing possible litigation. One thing that was noted tonight, or a number of points that were brought up today, was that Andrew Doe had a lot of other issues going on. And you had time to review the plea agreement. And you had a lot of comments to make about the plea agreement. And while sitting here I thought wow a criminal plea agreement. Talking about how you can't adjust one or you can't make changes to it. You can't influence it. Actually the criminal plea agreement I've presented to you. So please speak to the agenda item, not your personal care consultant. Pending legislation. And there is a federal case now pending. This isn't pending litigation, Mr. Chairman. Remember on the closed session items. We might speak to that. This has to do with upcoming litigation where people are suing the county because the county hasn't followed the rules. It concerns a specific case toll. Do you have any? And pending. And there are a number of cases listed. Well, speak on one of them then. All of them. No, well, that's not your general stuff. I speak specifically. Stating that people have filed these lawsuits because the county failed to follow the law. Each supervisor today had lots of comments about the pending lawsuits and the criminal investigation against Andrew Doe. And so that's not being considered in close session. No, but there are a lot of parallels and those should be considered. No, sir, there are not. Again, you speak from the diocese, you jump to conclusions and you make statements that you have absolutely no evidence or no supporting documentation. So speak to the agenda item or sit down. I am speaking to the agenda. No, so you're not. I filed a suit against you in federal court and it has been accepted. It's not on the agenda. I realize it's not on the agenda yet, but as Janet went and we don't even have a forum or a quorum I mean we don't even have a quorum So while you're picking on me you're picking on me because you're not following the law and I've been polite So you're not speaking to the not I'm going to please sit down please sit down and you're the one who continues to violate the rules You don't have a quorum. We don't need a quorum for public comment. No, we don't. And, in a recent meeting, you had to... the rules. You don't have a quorum. We don't need a quorum for public comment, no we don't. And, matter of fact, during a recent meeting, you had to discuss for about half an hour why the state is cracked down on you for not maintaining a quorum during meetings. That's not true. You want to go to federal court on this? Prick, happy day. Sit down. Grow up and be a chair supervisor. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. you Thank you.