you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you I'd like to call to order the town of Coulton. Work session meeting to the September 24th. All rise with pleasure. Any agenda minutes? Pardon me. Any agenda amendments and approval that will be required or requested for this meeting. There's an announcement I need to make. That Council member Bertot will be participating remotely due to medical reason and has met the criteria for resolution 21-06-06 regarding remote participation. And there is no requirement to approve this by vote of town council and Councilmember Lou is not present as well Location so Anyway, there's since there's no agenda amendments approval. We move on to consent agenda I get someone to approve the consent consent agenda We need to approve the agenda As presented I Can do that motion I move that the personal town council adopt the agenda of September 24th, 2024 as presented Second second made by council member stout motion made by vice mayor Rainer all in favor and he just approve Motion carries six one absent Okay, I see customer virtual has joined us Motion carries six one absent I see customer virtual has joined us Consent agenda may I get a motion to approve this I can do that I move that the personal town council approve the consent agenda item 5A through 5C as presented in the September 24th, 2024 town council meeting work session agenda packet. Mayor, second. Second. Second by council, rest out motion made by vice mayor Rainer. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? None opposed. motion carries, six, one absent. Okay, moving on, recognition, Paula Hicks, County Manager of Government Finance Officer of the Association, certificate of achievement for excellence in financial reporting, and Linda Jackson, financial analyst,s, Government Finance Officers Association, Distinguished Budget Presentation Award for Fiscal Year 25. So, one for 23 and one for 25. Okay. I'm just going to go on a summer vacation. That's my best friend. Okay, we're here to celebrate and award these fine financial analysts and for their contributions to the town of Percival's budget and finance, Paula Hicks. Congratulations to Paula Hicks, the Coring Accounting Manager for a commitment and extraordinary efforts in public reporting for the 2023 Annual Financial Report, which gained the certificate of achievement of excellence and financial reporting for the town by the government financial annual financial report which gained the certificate of achievement of excellence and financial reporting for the town by the government financial officers association for the sixteenth year in a row. The certificate of achievement is the highest form of recognition in the area of governmental accounting and financial reporting and its attainment represents a significant accomplishment by government and its management. And its attainment represents a significant accomplishment by government and its management. Paula is being recognized for her outstanding contribution to the financial report and the award. The report has been judged by an impartial panel to meet the high standards of the program, which includes demonstrating a constructive spirit of full disclosure to clearly communicate its financial story. Thank you for all your hard work and commitment to the town. Thank you. And... Next is Linda Jackson, financial analyst for her supervision and continual efforts in budget management for the fiscal year 2025 budget plan the government finance officers Association presented the town's financial or finance department with a certificate of recognition for budget presentation Then to it being recognized for her outstanding contribution to the town's annual budget, process, and budget document. The Distinguished Budget Presentation Award is the highest form of recognition in the area of government budgeting and its attainment represent a significant accomplishment by government and its management. This award reflects the commitment of the town council and staff to meaning the highest principles of government budgeting. To receive this award, the town had to satisfy nationally recognized guidelines for effective budget presentations. Thank you for all your hard work and attention to details for the town. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to see what's going on. I'm going to write it off. Now we go ahead and choose citizen business comments. Are there any other one in the audience or business citizens comments? Trish right? Okay Trish, your name address and all that. Good evening, I'm Trish Wright and I reside at three 11th and South 15th Street. I'm here asking the council to allocate funding to improve crosswalk warning signage along Main Street and other high traffic areas. I witness on diversifications where individuals had attempted to cross the street to almost be struck by a burst. This includes myself and my side with a couple times within the last few weeks. I've also watched multiple drivers pass up the industry and standing in a crosswalk without stopping. Again, happened to myself. Science alone does not get the attention of those strivers. There is urgent need for more advanced warning features at the towns and mid-block crosswalks. Activated flashlight,ated flashing lights, cross-pop elimination, and other technology, technology advanced warning systems are available. At an end, an improvements are urgently needed at the East Mid-Black Cross-Box. 550 East Main Street, 440 East Main Street, West Main Street and 21st Street, West Main Street and Fortress Drive, 21st and 23rd Street and 20th Street at Raleigh Mountain Way. The amount of foot traffic has steadily increased over the past several years. Unfortunately, so if the number of the evils and distracting drivers traveling in and through a town. If we really want the town to be pedestrian friendly, we need to ensure safety systems are in place to help protect them. My little visit action to improve these locations will occur before a tragedy gets. Thank you for your time and action, and that's your first. Thank you for your time and action. And that's your question. Thank you. Are there any comments from the people online? Anyone who's speaking? Okay. Alrighty. Thank you for your comments. As close as the citizen business comments, we move on to marrying council comments Councilmember Bertot Barely here you I'm going to have some nice, funny mouse here in the panel. I can barely hear you. Can you see that? I can increase the volume. Is that better? No, I can barely hear you. It's low volume or something. How's that? Is that enough? Oh, that's better. Okay, I just want to let everyone know that we have some one events coming up. Town of Percival. We've got the celebrate Percival in October. Same date in October is the time why tags. We've got the We have some one events coming up town of Percival and get celebrate Percival in October. Same date in October is the Townwide Tag Sale and also want to commend staff on improved coordination this year with respect to the date and timing of events so that people can freely flow between one and the other. Don't have a lot of other comments this evening. Just one general comment. We have an action item this evening that I would question whether it really should be an action item at this time since it involves a policy change to quote the Carpenter's old nostrum, measure twice, cut once. I believe this is an issue where we need to have a little more extended discussion than is allowed with the current agenda. And that also relates to recent agenda changes where we seem to be putting more and more and more into the consent agenda. Often without a lot of reflection from this public body. We are, after all, both the legislative and a deliberative body. Thank you, everyone. Okay. Councilmember Williams. Thank you. First of all, I'd like to thank Amy and the Arts Council for the artist's reception last night and Just to remind people that we have the artists in tour These are artists that are opening up their studios November 2nd and 3rd From jewelry to painting to lavender fields. So we have lots of different artists and then October 5th through the 12th who celebrate Perseville with the fall festival being the 12th and the 5th being the planting of the mini forest. Thank you. Councilmember Stout. I'll be brief as well. Congratulations to our amazing finance staff on your well-deserved recognition. Thanks to staff for hail to the trail. I was sorry to miss due to work obligations But I heard it was a wonderful event and early voting has started so be sure you make your place heard at the ballot box Councilman right Just one item on October 7th the tree environmental Sustainability Committee excuse me is doing their tree planting for the many porcelain, just down on 20th Street. As far as I've allowed a volunteer help to get these trees in the ground. So if anybody is available to assist in that tree planting, I'm sure that their assistance be greatly appreciated. I believe there's an online place to sign up. So if you have the first-ville website, you can navigate through there to be able to get the sign up in the times. Thank you. Thank you. Vice Mayor Rainer. I just would like to thank the Parks and Rec, the Arts and the Tree Committee for another great hail to the trail. It was an amazing event that my daughter could wait to get to, to get her glitter tattoos and her face painted. It was a lot of fun and it was a lot of work went into it. And 17 years ago we've been an arbitrary tree city USA and that's a big accomplishment. And it got a great picture of the mayor planning yet another tree which was great. And with the Boy Scouts and a lot of the kids of the area, which is wonderful. So thanks to all of the committees that went and put that on and to Papa John's for providing pizza. It was great, thank you. Okay, I'd like to, Mayor Comet is kind of congratulations to our finance team again, who has received a distinguished budget presentation Budget Presentation Award from the Government Finance Officers Association for the Towns Fiscal Year 25 Fiscal Plan. For the 16th consecutive year, this award is the highest form of recognition in the area of government of budgeting and its attainment represents a significant accomplishment of our government and its management well done. I'm also pleased to share an update on the Western Loudoun Rec Center complex. The county has agreed to expand the scope of their traffic study. Originally set to end at 21st Street to now include an additional 10 intersections. This extended study will cover the area from the Round Hill Route 7 exits through the entire corporate limits of Perseville and extend to Berlin Turnpike, Hurst Road and the Plan Route 7690 interchange. In collaboration with county on the Route 7690 interchange project, the county has also agreed to provide elevation certificates for Cotactive Meadows residents whose properties are affected by the floodplain. These certificates can be used to update flood maps or any flood insurance study, potentially lowering annual flood insurance premiums for homeowners. As the end of the report, a letter of map revision will be produced. Effective residents will be contacted by representative from the county. These are just two examples of the positive impact our collaborative relationship with loud counties having on personal residents. Lastly, I wanted to address my concerns regarding the decision to conduct interviews for committee commissions and board members in a closed session. Recently, the Council held a special meeting to interview five applicants for the Planning Commission. At these interviews been conducted in an open session, their later candidates would have had an opportunity for unfair advantage as they could have listened to the questions and responses of earlier applicants, potentially altering their own answers. The Code of Virginia Section 2.2-3711A1 allows for close meetings meetings which win discussing, considering or interviewing perspectives, candidates for appointment to the public body. To ensure a fair impartial process for all applicants, I made the decision to close the interviews. And lastly, we had a presentation by their professional basketball team just past week. And they are in sponsorship with the pub, and that was announced. And they will start their season next March, which is a positive thing for the town. Thank you. Thank you. Got it in. Okay, moving on to action items. Thank you, Kimberly. Adoption of remote participation in public meetings policy. Diana, if I may, this is the adoption of the participation was changed by the General Assembly? Last correct. Okay, and we're discussing what the General Assembly did. Correct. Okay, they want to make that clear to everybody that it's initiated by the General Assembly. Thank you. Sure. The 2024 amendments to the Virginia Freedom of Information Act introduced changes related to remote participation in public meetings. The town's current remote participation policy is in the form of a resolution adopted in 2021. But the Virginia Freedom of Information Act requires it to be a formal policy. If the town council opts to continue remote participation, they must adopt a new policy that reflects the statutory updates. Under the Code of Virginia Section 2.2-3708.3, public bodies must annually adopt a policy by public vote. This policy must include processes for requesting, approving, denying, and recording requests for remote participation. The policy applies to all town public bodies including council and its committee's commission's and boards. The changes in the remote participation policy from the prior adopted resolution are for the reasons of participating remotely for a temporary or permanent disability or other medical condition or a medical condition of a member of the member's family requires the member to provide care. Both of those reasons now counts towards the quorum as if the individual was physically present whereas before you were not counted as quorum. Those are noted under sections A1A and A1B and the new policy that's included in your agenda packet. And also new the limitation of remote participation for two meetings per calendar year or 25% of the meetings applies only to the personal matters, not for the other limitation to stand up to the other reasons remote participation is permitted which are noted in the in the policy in your packet as items a 1 a 1 b and a 1 c Policy included and then the packet has gone through legal review and is ready for councils review and consideration Okay, so if I understand this right this is the policy that's changed by this general assembly It's up to any municipalities town account to accept this and implement it in their own policy requirements. Right. So if we don't want to accept it and not follow what the general assembly says, are we in violation of this policy from the general assembly? You would be because you're required to adopt it annually so you would just not be allowing remote participation in future meetings if you don't adopt a policy. You don't have to adopt it this evening but you do need to adopt the policy. The policy, right? And again the only changes to this from what you're already following are actually more advantageous to the council. Okay. Want to make that clear. Okay, council member Berto, you have any comments? Yes, is the county attorney present? He cannot be here this evening. All right, I think that this policy in addition to being in compliance with the state law once again also clarifies a number of important issues. There is one thing that gives me pause for concern, and that is that if you look at the remote participation by members section, the subsection that speaks of temporary and permanent disability. My question is, why is it necessary that a person would be permanent, perhaps even documented, disability needs to apply for remote participation for every single meeting? I don't have the answer to that, but I can talk with the town attorney and get back with you. I could I could uh the disability perhaps hasn't gone away but I question that part of this ordinance. That's made by the state code. That's a state code so we would have to rely and refer this to the state code. No no it is not the state code. The state code is not state that I am aware of, that it is necessary for a person with a permanent physical disability to apply before every meeting for remote participation. I believe that this needs clarification from the town attorney. Sure, I can check with the town attorney and report back on that one on that request. As the carpenters say, measure twice, cut once. This is the end. If we leave this in place and it is unnecessary to do so, it's demeaning to be equal with physical disabilities or permanent disabilities. Well, I can state that we have allowed individuals with limited mobility to participate in meetings remotely for the past two years. And that was a member on the planning commission. And from I'm reading this, this is from the state, not from any other governing body that states this. So it says the member has a temporary, a permanent disability, or other medical condition that prevents the members' physical attendance. For purposes of determining whether a quorum is physically assembled, an individual member of public body who is a person with a disability as defined by 51.5-40-1. And use the remote participant accounts toward the quorum. That's all it's saying. I think the question is whether or not the person with the disability has to make the certification prior to every meeting that they're participating remotely when they will be participating remotely. I don't see where it says they have to do that every time. It doesn't say that, but I think there was an issue with one of the other committees so we can get the education for the talent. Would that be part of the responsibility of the legislative body to allow that based on the knowledge of what the disability is? There's nothing to say you can't once apply for this exemption to be remote that the policy of the governing bodies allows us to occur since it says it can be for determining a quorum. But I'm not legal, part representative, but common sense would dictate that it has some leniency left up to the legislative body to adopt this under the guys and can limit stated by the general assembly that it can be allowed to establish a quorum. That's my two cents. Well, the section that speaks of request and approval of the chairperson concurrent with a notice required in the section A one of this policy, a member seeking to participate remotely must request approval to participate remotely from the applicable chairperson copying the appropriate staff liaison. The chairperson will approve or disapprove each request. That to me says that that request has to be done for every single meeting. Or it could mean you could ask once per permanent. Yeah, permanent reasons and that you could ask once per permanent. Right. Yeah, permanent reasons and that could be approved once in finale. I want it all or it could be such that there's several people applying for this. It's only how you interpret it basically. Like anything. Well, there is a sentence there that says the chairperson will approve or disapprove each request. Each request, the request could be once, the request could be once for permanent. Well, we could put clarifying language in there that would make that much more clear. Yes, you could. That would be on the legislative town council body to make that clear. That's up to us to determine that. So we could, if that's your concern, why don't we just add it for this and then be done with it, if that's your one concern. Right, or write it up how you wanted to say. Okay, would that satisfy you? Then I would suggest between the sentence that states, the chairperson will approve or disapprove each request and the final sentence in that paragraph which says that the correspondence will constitute the record for each request and corresponding approval and disapproval. I would insert a sentence that states request from persons with a permanent disability need maybe may need be made only once per calendar year or something to that effect. Okay, well then write it in a motion, we can vote on it. And if it satisfies your concern, then we won't have to come back and revisit this. I did confirm with the town attorney also that you can do it one time to cover all the meetings for a disability. Right. So. So Noah, thank you. So, Councilor Williams. I have no questions because I read it as it could be one requesting like when I had ankle surgery. I'm going to be out four months. And it was approved. So to me, each is per person. As a member of the Board. Councilor Restau. Yeah, I share Council Milano's observation. However, Diane, if you've confirmed with the town attorney that has written this policy allows for a single application that covers a specified period of time or a single permanent disability for a single member, then I'd say we go with this if that's been confirmed. Correct, and I think it could be clarified. Say, if you're the person that has the disability, it is read by the chairperson, not the January 1st meeting that you will be participating remotely for the entire 2025 year due to disability. Okay, that's the case. I'm permanent or temporary. If it's temporary, we have an end date when it should end permanent until the year's up. Okay. Councilmember Wright. Excuse me. We can work Smith this all day and you can interpret it any way you want. In all of reality, you know, it's up to that individual case, that case scenario. And we try to avoid Smith that I can pick it all apart just as much as anybody else can. So, yeah, it's just a vice mayor right now. So I agree, like, if the lawyer has agreed that you could do it once and like, in my interpretation was, I ask if I have a permit disability and they approve it once a general person and it like you for four months you were out and it was approved and a story if same with the commissioner on the planning commission if it didn't go that way at the past I mean that's the interpretation of it we don't need to pick it apart so I think it's flexible that way. I agree that's how I interpret it and it's coming from the general summary into allow this to be added as a quorum before those remote participation was not added to be stated to allow for a quorum. And it's up to the local jurisdiction to say how we want it to be implemented. Not every time we have a meeting, we have to request this. So that's what we did for a planning commissioner who was immobile and we allowed it. So I don't understand. any commissioner who was immobile and we allowed it. So I don't understand anyway. So with that being said, anyone else have any comments or things on this action item that we need to discuss and since Mayor Jane? I would just like to make the motion. Well, the motion is to accept it but councilmember toe has issues with the wording so if he can provide the wording that we can put into the motion is that what we need to do or not. I'm fine with the wording as is in the packet. Okay. Mayor, I can just add a friendly amendment which could be either except for rejected. Okay. And it is. Okay. Motion by Councillor Williams. I move the town council. I move that town council adopt the remote participation in public meetings policy as presented. Second. Wait. Councillor Roberto. I would like to add a friendly amendment that the sentence, the added to section A, part two, as a penultimate sentence. The chairperson may give the approval for permanently disabled applicants for a remote participation on a permanent basis. See that again. As an added an ultimate sentence to section A, part two, which is request and approval of chairperson. I would add the sentence. The chairperson may give their approval permanently disabled individuals for remote participation on an annual basis. Okay. Councilor Williams, is this acceptable? Yes. Okay. Councilmember Stout, you second the motion. Under the this acceptable? Yes. Okay. Councilor Member, Stout, you second the motion. Under the friendly amendment? Yes. Okay. Motion made by Councilor Williams, friendly amendment, made by Councilor Bertot, second by Councilor Ristout. Councilor Bertot, how do you vote? Aye. Councilor Williams, how do you vote? Aye. Councillor Mayer Williams, how do you vote? Yes. Councillor Stout, how do you vote? Yes. Councillor Wright, how do you vote? Yes. By Smyra Rainer, how do you vote? Yes. Mayer votes. Yes. One absent. Motion carries. Six. One. Good. Good. Moving on to the next. one. What's the dokey? Moving on to discussion, informal, rational items, talent sidewalks, encourage being I can start with the speed limit. I'm bringing this, ask for this to be an discussion item. Mainly because one, I think that the current speed limits on some of our side narrow streets, the older streets, I call them the lettered and the numbered streets, is probably at this point in time with the amount of foot traffic and vehicle traffic. Maybe a little bit too high. It's basically the science says 25. That means anywhere from 25 to 30. And if you think about it, there's nearly some other streets or two cars passing at the speed of another 25 miles an hour, basically, that's pretty fast. And there's some pedestrians trying to get off the road. It makes it a little bit more difficult. The reason I wanted to be a discussion item is, I do not want any staff time committed to doing all the necessary data finding and work unless the council, as a body is willing to support it, moving forward, I don't wanna see their time wasted unless the council is willing to make some changes. That's sort of where it is. Me and the chief have had a question, we've conversation about this prior to it coming up, just to get his thoughts on it, since he does have a vast knowledge in history and in speed limits and enforcement in that area. So I'll let it go that and I don't know if she has anything you want to add to that. Good evening Council and Mayor. So I've done a little bit of homework and I think it's important that I share some of this with you. So first and foremost, the town does have the authority as a body to change its speed limits. In the streets that are currently at 25 miles an hour lower. So we can't go any streets that are higher, but I think you're specifically looking for ones that are primarily 25 miles an hour. So I think that's the most important thing is the you know the code section 46.2-1300 does allow us to make those modifications if you want to. There's very few stipulations so as far as staff hours to get involved in that it's pretty minimal and really what that boils down to is figuring out the streets that we want to potentially change, notifying the state, B.30 days prior to making any of those changes. And then ultimately you all making that vote whether or not you would like to change those streets. So you can do one or you can do multiple at one time. And my recommendation if this were to go forward is we do a global 1,000, or 10,000 foot views, or we're not just peace realies together. So some of the considerations that we need to consider is, for example, trying to get ahead of this a little bit, give you a little bit of data for East East Street, which runs some people call it East and West, some people call it East and West, some people call it North and South, whichever way you want to look at it. In a period of seven days, going down the hills, we'll call it Westbound, 3,208 vehicles passed. That's 200? Yeah, and that was, that's 24 hours a day. So that's a lot. Going the other direction was 1,514., that's 24 hours a day. So that's a lot going the other direction was 1,514. So that's in a seven day period. And that is quite substantial. I'm actually somewhat shocked to hear those numbers. And as far as speed, and this is extremely transparent, I know nothing other than the safety of the citizens. So really the highest speed coming through there was 54 miles an hour hour but that was one time and I want to put that perspective with one time at 54 which is not acceptable it still was 2,300 vehicles that came through there so I think that's important to note. The length of that street is very short. Correct. And I can't tell you which vehicle that was I can't tell you at least car running to an emergency I can't answer that I don't track that but I'm just you know for for transparency purposes but the majority of those vehicles were in the 31 to 35 mile an hour range on both both directions so just to give you some context about more so than anything and I know that would surprise people with the numbers but I think it's important that we know what those look like. We know how many vehicles are coming both directions. So getting into cost and getting into staff hours, V.O.T. says they will do this for us if we do an R21 speed limit sign at an astronomical amount of between $114,400 per sign. What are those signs? The electronic signs? No, per sign. A person. A person. Not electronic at all. However, I've spoke with our staff and internally that the actual breakdown of this is $37 for a sign, $50 for a post, and 74 hours for staff hours, which comes down to roughly $162 for a sign. So I think that's a no-brainer as far as the cost associated. So really what that boils down to is we need to identify, and I would suggest if council wants to move forward this that I work directly with some of my staff to determine which streets we believe should be we should narrow it down to. And with that being said, something came up recently that I did a little bit more homework and it was Mayfair and it was Mayfair eligible for this and the answer is partly. The main road of Mayfair Crown is that's owned by V.O.T. maintained by the town and everything on the right-hand side or the north side of the single families is also V.O.T. owned and maintained by the town. However, the south side is privately owned and there's nothing we do not fall in that category where we could identify that new work with that. Can I comment? Thank you for clarifying that because that was my question because I'm getting a lot of my neighbors emailing and texting me because Upper Hafer is the main stretch on the single family side and 25 is fast because everyone parks on the road it gets narrow and there's loads of kids on there. And so 25 may be a speed limit, but it is still too fast. And asking if we could lower it two years ago when I asked the deputy chief about that. He told me the town was unable to, is an HWA thing. And then the HWA is turning to me and saying, wait, I don't think it's us, it's town. So I'm thank you for clarifying that. And I'll go back to the H.O.A. and tell them that because I knew the townhouse side, the south side, were private, but I know the single family side were eager to lower the speed limit to 15. Or you know, you see some funny ones like 15 and a half or something just to catch people's attention. Something like that. I've never seen in 24 years where they do a half speed limit. There's one in Leesburg. Where's enforceable. I would say where's enforceable. I think they do it for attention. Yeah, the reason being is our radars and our latter. You don't actually calculate that. So I think truly the best way to go about this is that I put out more speed signs working with town staff to determine what that 80th percentile looks like, which streets that don't have sidewalks because I will also tell you I used to live on East E before the WT Drew Hand came in and that used to be a huge cutthroat street. I have to say in my opinion it's still very much a cutthroat street by the numbers that I just read to you. So in its dark, that road is dark and people do walk their animals, etc. late at night. So I think that's probably in my recommendation, my professional recommendation is I wouldn't say no, I don't think it's out of the realm of financial possibility if we keep it in-house. I would not suggest we go a V-DOT unless we get some very large grants. No, I take more money to get the grant. But I think that it would probably prove it for us to find a lot of these streets that we feel would be worthy of this and then calculate that cost that presented. OK, good. Councilor Wright. Nobody's don't surprise me really. Live over there. But two things. One, I don't think sidewalks should be a determining factor because let's face it, some of the streets are still narrow even with the sidewalks I think. That should not be an automatic rule out. Secondly, I guess we also need to investigate if there's a town ordinance. And there's some states, something that in fact of, and give my word incorrect. Unless otherwise posted to speed limit throughout town will be this. We do have that in our town ordinance right now, so there might be a modification needed for that. Yeah, so I'm just one and one from a signage perspective. If we change that, but we necessarily have to put up the signs in all these locations, if we say unless otherwise posted, the speed limit will be 20 miles an hour, because we only have the 25 mile an hour of speed limits already posted everywhere else. Just something to look into you know from a legal standpoint it might be better to have the posted speed limit signs I'll let you guys figure that out but just I can speak on that now in my traffic background I can tell you the judges want to know where those speed limit signs are and just because it's if the whole town is posted that way I think that's a little bit different than each street being a little bit different in their speed. So I think we need to I really think we need to post them where they are. I think that's for a for a for the judicial part of it. I think that's the most important. That's perfectly fine. And then secondly, obviously the last thing I also want is to see us over early restrict speeds on some of our thoroughfares. I'll use A Street, for example. That is considered basically what we want people to travel. And the last thing I want to see is, we do speed limits on certain roads. The next thing you know, we're causing people to go other directions and putting a traffic load on other streets. So to some when you work with staff and in your offices all those things are in mind that we don't hamper traffic flow so bad on major roads by reducing speed limit to those. Okay. Anyone more comments? Vice Mayor Rayna? I do have a question. Again about the Mayfair single family side. Say you go in there and you're like, okay, they have the sidewalks, but it is narrow when all the cars are parked on the street. Would it help if you had letter support from the HOA with that? Do you need anything else or will you make your own determination? So the interesting part of this whole thing? I don't know what calibrate, like what you're, how you judge it. I think truly in this is, this is not something I've done before. I can tell you that, but I think in my background, I think it's, I can make a professional opinion and then I would pass that to you and then see if that's financially advantageous. I am a firm believer in roads that are narrow, sometimes do appear the cars are going faster than they appear, right? That's just by my experience in visual speed estimates. So typically when you do have two vehicles on each side and then can you get two vehicles that, you know, they're parked and then they passed, we're dealing with this, another location in the town. So I think anytime it comes into a dead end and there's some studies here I was reading through one of which was in Seattle about where those are most prominent and a lot of them were on dead end streets for the simple reason there's no need to rush down to a dead end street that's where typically most children are you know in those neighborhoods etc we are a little bit different because some of our other streets around. But I think that this one really is not going to be much other than I'm going to go throughout, look at what we have. I do want to look and take into consideration lighting. I want to take a small consideration into, are people going to be walking in the street or are they not? But I also want to take into consideration, are they, is it a densely populated area as well? So and that goes back to the comment that was made earlier about pedestrian crossings. And that is actually just for the public's knowledge that we've been working on, a pub ed for that, for how do you cross walks properly? What's the vehicle's expectation as well as the pedestrian's expectation? for how do you crosswalks properly? What's the vehicle's expectation as well as the pedestrian's expectation? But I've also listened very closely to all of the concerns that as well. Okay, I've noticed that crosswalks may not be at the ideal location where people would use them, especially on Main Street. And is that a V.R.O. so we would have to ask them to do re-evaluation of the crosswalks on Main Street or the addition of crosswalks? How does that work? Because I was walking down the street and people coming from the 16th Street apartments that wanted across the street to get over to the bus stop will cross right there and there's no crosswalk there but there's one halfway down the road down the block by the bank and they cross there. They say crosswalk there but not one logically at the corner if you're straighted line is the shortest distance, so they would mainly cross the street at that corner in the middle of traffic and then go to the bus stop. So I wasn't part of any of the crosswalks and the implementation, but I think this is probably a very valid time to reevaluate those and see if they are in the best place for walkability and trying to cross because, you know, even speaking, you know, at 609 East Main Street, there's not a lot of people that do cross there because they're crossing up a further east and a little bit further west. So I think this maybe is part of a bigger package that we can look at globally. Okay. Yes, question. I was gonna add, when we got to the crosswalks, it's, I've actually, I don't know what is going on recently, but at that crosswalk, that's by the dopey obunny across from, I mean, shopping complex, I've had three texts from people saying they've almost witnessed people being hit, crossing there, because there's no illumination, there's no illumination, there's no lighting, it's three lanes. They're crossing, it's very dangerous in my eyes. And like, is that even, should that even be a crosswalk at that juncture? Because the light is 50 feet in front of it with a proper crosswalk and should that be re-evaluated. Because that is a very dangerous and very easy to be oblivious to people crossing right there. Again, I think they all need to be reevaluated, but I also could tell you that our staff recently existed to come up recently. We have produced our enforcement action in some of these and our education. So these things are a big piece. We don't want pedestrians getting struck. Right. Okay, maybe we can add that to the traffic study that the county agreed to which covers all that area anyway. Now part of this discussion is also included sidewalks and E Street G Street and G Street and D Street are pretty narrow. E Street is fairly wide, somewhat. And the concern of the citizens were that if we can add a sidewalk in that area, I don't know if it's part of our Kimberly Horn study that we did three or four months ago, and we have not reprioritized that and revisited that since then. So my now might be a good time to do that and look at and reevaluate what the sidewalks can be included into any study that we do and find the funding to make those things happen in conjunction with the speeding and other requirements. So with that, do we have any updates on the sidewalks from Kimberly Horn other than what we had four months ago on the meetings? We haven't done any further updates in the list. It's in your packet, was we, I guess the ranking, the top 18, this East Street, I know you're specifically, we're interested in East Street, this is ranked number 18, but it was before we did the reprioritization with the cost estimates. It was previously tied for 12th place. But kind of had when we were talking about the pedestrian study, it's not that projects can't move up but down really whatever there's a council and community support for. And with eStreet specifically, I'm not sure if you're aware but it's kind of in that holding place in our CIP right now in projects awaiting funding because in 2010 I know way back when town the town applied for community development block grant funding for the eStreet sidewalk I don't know if anyone remembers that. After, I wouldn't. After doing success, like having a successful, successful, or a ward for D-Street sidewalk, because that was built using those funds, D-14th Street. And so then they tried for E-Street and they were not, they were not awarded the funding at the time. And so I'm not really sure why no one's ever wrote, why it wasn't priority enough to try a different funding source. one zebra, white wasn't priority enough to try a different funding source, so it's just kind of been in that building area for the last 10 years. Yeah, something we can revisit and look at and reapply. So, you know, anyone know the ballpark figure for putting in a sidewalk? Is there a formula for that? Well, so Kimlee Horn had done high-level cost estimates for some of those top projects and they did have a 1.7 million total project cost for e-street and that included, you know, drainage because there is that big ditch on the outside. That's on the street? On e-st street, yes. Okay. So maybe we need to look at that because some of the streets are are dangerous because of the speeding and the lack of a sidewalk to get the people out of the street. Yeah, okay, cool. So, yeah, okay. In addition to the install of the signs, and then the potential sidewalk improvements, we need to look at that in the next fiscal budget for 26. Okay, something they're not here. So we'll discuss that. Councillor Boucher, would you have any comments? I was going to ask how many intersections do we have in town? I think a potential to be examined. The question might be for me. Are you speaking about? No problem. I just want to clarify the question. Are you asking how many intersections that might have potential crosswalk issues or speed issues or both speed issues that might necessitate the installation of speed limit signs somewhere along the street reading up to it. I think this really goes back to the bigger picture and I don't have an answer for that yet. We're going to have to do a deep dive into the locations. So I would say the next time that we discuss this topic, we would have a better decision and a better understanding of that. Okay. Thank you. Councillor Williams, have anything? No questions. Thanks. Councillor Restau. No questions. I heard you. I don't know if you have anything. No questions, thanks. Councilor Stout. No questions. Councilor, I'd hurt you. And any more? Because I know workload is substantial. Soften this. I'd sort of like to have a deadline to meet. So it just doesn't sit for too long. And you guys don't feel too much to get it. So what would you feel comfortable with being able to come back and give a port and give yourself a little bit of leeway and your staff a little bit of leeway? So you're not put on the spot. Six months, a year. I mean, do you tell me what works best? I don't think we need a year. I would say, I think realistically probably do this between three and six months. Okay. So you know, we just sort of maybe ask for something back six, five months. That works. I think that's by next March. I think that's appropriate. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So we have to make a motion to task staff for this? Yes. Okay. Gonna get a motion to task staff to provide number of intersections and study for the speed limit for decision for the council to move for funding. Is that correct? Would you like the list put together and maybe prioritize based on their expertise as far as sidewalks and speed? Yes. Hold on, I don't wanna convolute this. Right. I don't think the police department really needs to be. No, no, no, no. You want sidewalks? No, no, no. No, I was about to say that. That's a good question. I don't think the police department really needs to be I think you can even add crosswalks and crosswalks. Anybody capture that? Okay, we have a recording. Second. Any further discussion? Okay. The motion was made by Vice Mayor Rayner, second by Councilmember Astout, to have the law enforcement department study and provide a list of areas where speed limits can be adjusted and indicating the number of crosswalks that may be included included in this study and how do you vote, Councillor Burtot? You can't hear you. Hi. Okay. What are you? All right. All right. Councillor Williams. Yes. Councillor Rast Williams. Yes. Councilor Ristowell. Yes. Councilor Wright. Yes. Vice-Mirror. Yes. Mayor Rose. Yes. Motion carries. Six. One absent. Okay. All right. Moving on to 10B discussion. future town council meetings and agenda topics. Diana Hays. Thank you Mayor. It's the standing list of agenda items that the Corp. Office is tracking through the end of the year and we will start expanding that out into 2025. Okay, anyone have any comments for this? Council member, we. No, I have. Council member, it's out. Yeah, just note, quarterly reports from CCVs, it says written or oral, I think it worked well written last time. I would suggest we do that again. Written? Yeah, one means pending. Yep, we discussed that again. Written? Yeah. One man's been made. Yep, we discussed that. Councilor McKinnon. No. Vice Mayor Rainer? No. Councilor Roberto? No comments. Okay. Further comments? Well, this is a living document, so we'll be making adjustments to this as time moves on and I know things will change in a couple of months. You mean a couple weeks or a couple days? Couple days, yeah for sure. It's very fluid. So with that being said, I'm thinking everybody for their participation tonight and Megan a motion to adjourn. I move to adjourn Thank you the second Most with adjourned by Conference doubt second by vice-mera re. All in favor? All in favor. Any opposed? None opposed? 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