the the . Good afternoon. It is now 5 p.m. I call to order the workshop of the Apological City Commission today is 2 December 3rd. The topic of discussion today is the pop-up building. If you would please stand for the opportunity to come before you to do the will of your people, God. We ask that you grant us wisdom, knowledge and understanding. We thank you for all things, God, and we give you glory in your Son, Jesus name. We pray, Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So I will open the floor for public comment if there are any public comments regarding the pop and building. Here in Unseeing Nun, I will open the floor up who is going to take the lead. Great. Good afternoon. Again, my name is Brett Hammond with Hammond's Agriculture Architects. In this particular instance, we are the architect for the pop-up building. We are working through health, which is David Snyder to my rear here. We're working for David on this particular one tonight. At the last meeting, we showed you some options of building types as well as kind of an open air concept, a decking arrangement with a gazebo or purgola in the backdrop, and you ask us to continue to work on that. the second set of the building itself. The building itself. The second set of the building itself. The second set of the building. The second set of the building. The second set of the building. The second set of the building. to show you that as well and we've continued to work on the physical building itself. Next slide please Travis. This is just what I'm showing you the open air concept with no canopies to give you an idea. Back it up just a moment. Go forward. All right. This is what we showed you idea, put it back in up just a moment. Go forward. This was what we showed you at the last commission meeting. We showed you an open-deck concept that you could potentially leave it wide open, or you could put can with awnings or canopies to provide some shade and cover. And then out front along the actual street frontage. We had those sort of tilted slabs were things that you could put some sort of historic reference to the original pop-up building on it. This building and deck occur inside the footprint of the existing structure. And part of that was so that the environmental side, we're talking about demoing the building or disaffemling the building down to the deck, that's stable, which is pretty much the area beneath the second floor, second story area. The lean two areas, the floors are already heaved inside those buildings. But that was what we showed you back, 11,5, next slide, please. We developed it a little further, changed the pitch on the roof to get a little more accent to it. And previously, when we kind of carried the columns up, we wanted to lighten it up and we thought maybe we can turn those into lighting so that in the evening function, you could have that again. We still have the slanted slabs out front that become historic monuments and you'll notice down to the lower area we've got a walkway and a ramp going out because the gentleman at the last meeting wanted to use the existing pilings to go out into the future dock arrangement out in the river that's there now it doesn't have any decking on it, but the piles are currently there. But we did this to kind of give you an idea. Next slide, please. Again, this is still open air, but it gives you a view of what's going on. We've got it surrounded with some sort of handrail barricade. We aren't very high off there, but we don't have any actual finished for elevations right now at the time. Again, trying to get you guys to, to say, go forward and young man and prosper and we'll try to get these drawings out. But again, we see the actual light poles working if you don't have a canopy on it as providing light and evening time, if you had something like that. Next slide, please, Travis. This is if you put canvas onings in the summer time, realizing it could be potentially outrageously hot, where you wanted something to have, assuming you're having a wedding or something underneath the actual pavilion, and you wanted to have chairs on the deck, you could essentially put canvas onings up, span between the actual light poles themselves, and we'll work and develop that further in the physical direction you all wishes to go, to provide something going on with the light poles so we can get them structurally designed to carry some sort of minor fabric out there that could provide a shade canopy so you're not just out there in the baking heat. Next slide, please. Again, this is just looking at it from that standpoint to where we could provide some cover in the event of a wedding and you want something out there that you don't want them sitting in the daytime heat if you have an outdoor wedding and give the city an opportunity to have a venue that they could rent out to compete, you know, to have that function. And this play of the historical monuments are or informational display boards, play back to the original grant. It was granted back in 2008. The community trust grant, if they want, they want something to work with the waterfront, but they also I think Travis had said at time as long as we acknowledge You know the op-op building how important it was to the community and those types of things and and give you that and it could have the They could have photographs on them They could be etchings and we haven't figured that out with regard to it But there's a bunch of things that could physically occur. They could identify and work to provide school children, people using the thought, whatever, if they wanted to come see the history of the space and what had been there on the working waterfront and give pay homage to the pop-up building. Next slide, I think it's it. I think it was it. So that's what we have done to our last marching order of my understanding was to kind of work in that direction and bring you guys back on an option going forward and we have. Again, the only thing we changed on it really was the pitch of the roof. We steepened it a little, you just give it more oomph. And then the actual lighting, whereas before, we had carried up piles. And it didn't look too refined, but it was a quick option to show, gosh, we could put canopies up there. And then we did this thinking, if you had a function at night, you would need enough light out there. People would not tripping fall or you could have, you know, whatever the city rinse it out. I do not know if how that would work for you all, but it would give you a venue space. If you chose to do that or just allowed people to utilize it. So that's what we did to bring back to you and show you what we think we can do inside that space. We have developed the documents to deliver to Dave to include in the phase one package, which is going to be the family of the physical structure down to the deck and get that area out to where we can, if the city wants to recycle some of the material for something else, they would have access to that or if it needs to go away. The question's going to be from the contractors, what do you wanna do with all stuff? So at that point in time, either we have them dispose of it or we allow the city the opportunity to salvage what they wish to salvage. Some of it could be salvaged for other products or textural things. If you wanted to skin something inside and save the pop and building or a piece of the pop and building. But part of it, we don't salvage the old doors, those types of things. It was set at double doors on the north side, facing the actual fish house now, being industrial sliding doors, that might be a safe. But that's what we came up with to bring back to you and say, we think we were following your direction from the last meeting. I have a question, a couple of questions actually. direction from the last meeting? I have a question, a couple of questions actually. I'm sorry, not slot. Yeah, right there. Next one's the Travis. Yeah. So the light poles, can the pylons be used there or are there in sections where the current pylons can be used? No, no, not to meet current code. If you recall from the early stages, the piles are not, first of all, they're not deep enough for current code. But secondly, they don't come up. They stop at the platform. And even the second story, they've decked over the platform. The second story is resting on kind of a bed of a dead man on top of the wood flooring. So the columns that support the second story do not bear down to below grade, which is what they need to be. And if you were called to some of the earlier photographs, back in 2008, from one I'm assuming it was people associated with the Maritime Museum, there had been some piles had been tried to replace, but they can't be if you follow the early structural report from MK out of Panama City. The pile, they're recommending 20 feet. Now I've got geotechnical report that the structure engineer may wanna go deeper, but at a minimum of 20 foot depth. So it's real hard to try to bring even the existing building, one of the discussions that we had was, I can't even get the existing building without lifting the existing building and moving in inland. The whole idea of that would be to drive piles deep enough to structurally support the load. And then I still don't have the building even tied to building on top. The building would not meet current code. Other question is, thank you for answering that. The canopy. Do you have an idea of what the cost of the canopy are? You're talking about the awnings? Yeah. No, not right off the top of my head. Any. We'd have to get it finished. We'd have to get it devined out and then kind of run it. Again, it's going to be a square foot cost. I would reach out to several people that do it. There's an outfit out of Ocala that does canopy structures. And I'm sure we could probably go directly to them and have that fabric, have them fabricate something like that. It might be big tops out of Perry or someone like that who would do something like this. Is mechanical? Onions and... Oh, you talk about mechanical to move them in and out. I hadn't thought of that. There might possibly be the problem with that, I think, Mayor Ash, is that we would have to have tracks from one light pole to the next that would be permanent. And my concern with that is they would have to be deep enough to make that span, you know, just structure and support their own weight of the track itself would be my concern. My concern is having someone to install, take down those. Those types of things. That's a lot of. Yeah. And that's a valid point. I mean, that's a very valid point. It might be something as simple again. And I haven't got into it to figure it out. But it might be something as simple as, like I said, a detachable cable or something along those lines with the you hooked the canopies to them, pull them out. If somebody asks for it, and again, I see that as being probably the major use of it right there. And that's uncovered, life in the evening, if you're going to have a go, if you're going to have a go if you're going to outdoor wedding on it or something you have an early morning you have it late afternoon I don't but again, you know depending on how popular it is and depending on people do with regard they may want it in the afternoon I don't know But that was we just want to throw them out there to give you an idea of what we thought we could do Again, I think even with this, the actual light poles would probably have to be a kind of a custom design. They'd have to be a steel pole. We'd have to anchor them into the top of the concrete piles to get them there. But I wanted a more refined look. I didn't want those 12, 12 concrete piles going up eight feet near. It just does. It's just kind of a brutal look on the early one that we showed you last month. And it was just an idea to say, you know, we might do something like this. And so when we started looking at it, we started to say, well, maybe it turned with the light poles. They'd have to be structurally designed to carry the weight of a canopy. And that's, again, that's as we go through this process to say what's the weight, you know, in regard to the cabling system and then how much to the canvas weight and pull across it. But I, I, yeah. The design of the Avillion. Yes, ma'am. How did you determine? How did you come up with that design is does it have some type of tie-in to What is about to happen on the on the river or? I'm just curious I don't understand question the design elements in the the weave in it look like the weave in and the The top the roof the roof part there What would we do is that that roof part would be fixed and then it's hard to see but the rest would be like an open air truss so what you see on either side the center portion is a firm firmly fixed roof either sign it if more of a truss look an open air for I guess my question is how does that specific design tie in with the riverfront the surroundings on the what is it the the dot best next to it. Right. What is the anders I was going to say say anglers. Thank you. The anders. How does how does it tie in to the rest of the elements, the aesthetics of the riverfront? I'm just curious. I don't have a problem with this curious. Again, I mean, I don't know that you have an anything else on the riverfront like this to be honest with you. The ramp, of course. And if that enters peer, the old... Yeah. Self-execute. Yeah, that would be the ramp. It would tie you up. And essentially, we have left in the demo documents. The area where the old boat slipped out behind, we're tearing off the metal roofing. But the gentleman who was here at the last meeting mentioned that he'd like to see piles used and so we've left those piles intact and Taken all the metal stuff metal and stuff off of them and so assuming that in the event you build it out You would you have potential to use those pile if there's still about Can the metal that's coming off be used for this? Element the metal that's coming off be used for this element? All right. Do you know just a refurbished or, I mean, just take. I don't know if I'm refurbishing. I would not use it in its current state. Okay. And here, please, please, please, please, please take this as for what it's worth. There's nothing any worse than trying and I've been involved in this, to where I've saved something, and somebody comes back later and says, we spent all this money, and this is what we have. If it's going to be new, I think it should be new, personally. But again, I respect the fact that we're trying to do something to pay homage to the pop-up building, and I don't know if it could be an exhibit built with some of the metal and say, gosh, this is the roof off of the pop-up building, but the roof is in pretty bad shape. The metal building isn't pretty bad shape. But there might be an element that somehow we incorporate into it, just at this time I don't know exactly how to do that. And but I appreciate the fall. I'm Dave Snyder soon to be retired. So I've brought my replacement. I've left my home number and only live a mile from the office. This is Dan Sheer. He's going to be taken over from me. A blueprint guy that we picked up at the office about two months ago. And he's going to handle the plants that won for the CIPIO Creek work is done. We just need to get a permit and we're working on the water street sidewalks too. One issue we did have from experience in Daniel, you'll be in a blueprint guy, we had a big shade problem at Cascades Park. Huge problem, that was the biggest thing. And something like this that Brett put together, if we actually just brought tables with expandable umbrellas, and they worked great. You know, you have to storm someplace, You bring him out for a wedding reception. You bring eight chairs around the table. You put a nice umbrella, a big spreading umbrella up there. And it didn't really do a great job shading people. Because that's the biggest complaint that we got in the park was the lack of getting out of the sun. I think the mayor brings up some interesting points. When I see this, it harkens more toward seaside than it does toward our riverfront, I feel like, and I'm trying to figure out how we could reuse some aspect that it would harken more back to commercial seafood, less seaside, less, you know, just it's very tall. I have see very big city sort of look to it to me. And I just wish it would be a little more reflective of what's there. I mean, I understand the metal may not be able to use, be used for the roof. It might not be good material, but I don't know. What's that? I feel like we definitely said in all of the meetings that we were salvaging the materials, the metal and the wood, and we're going to store it fifth street I believe is what so we have a plan for that So it's not up in the air just so you know and The words future dock on there. I'm a little hesitant to keep that on there because people will be saying when's a dock And to be built when's a dock going to be built and I feel like if if that's Not going to be there in this rendition we don't need to put that on there. Okay, that's fine. The only reason we put it is that the last meeting the gentleman talked about having reusing the actual piles out to get the Anders Peer in the future. But I have no problem taking it. I also have no problem working with you and extending this to another meeting. If we need to try to come back, I mean, all we're doing right now is throwing out kind of what we thought. Right, and we're just throwing out what we think. Yeah, and fine, and I appreciate the comment. But I'm just worried that, you know how documents stick around for a long time and somebody sees that and they put it in their brain in the ground. We're supposed to have a doc. You still haven't built a doc down there. True said you're going to build. So I feel like we need to get that off there if it's not a part of the plan. And I think what George was saying on the pilings is just don't throw them away. They're good woods. Just reuse them. We don't need to put them out there because we have a fishing pier next door with the Andrews peer. So I think Brett's plans also. I know, but it's one of a peer. Yeah. I haven't seen Brett's plans for demolishing the pop of building, but I think the wording is disassembling it. We're going to take it apart. It's why your normal, you know, $20 or $30 a square foot to bring a building down is more like three times that to disassemble it. Bring it set it someplace where we can use the pieces, use the lumber and maybe set it somehow, make it ornamental so that it looks, people can remember, oh, yes, what a pop building was. So we're not just not going to think down or hauling it off to a landfill. I can't tell you how many paintings have been done of that building, even as it sits today. So yeah. Sure. Hundreds of paintings have been done with those. And as part of the reason I say, it's disassembly not the model. Right. The contractor is going to ask for and you have plenty of space out to set it aside, but he's going to ask for the city to immediately come in and take what they want. Right. He can dispose of because he can factor a tonnage charge. Yeah. I just how they're going to do it. Well, and I think we've got to come to grips with what we want to save and how much because and that the city manager will play a part in because You know, I'm not good at seeing volume so it may be that we need quarter of the volume We may want to save it all. I don't know, but I just want to have the opportunity for it not to be wasted Thank you. Just because we just mentioned that point, a quick idea I had was we could use some of those salvaged materials in higher or contract out an artist or a company to use some of the reclaimed materials to make a two-scale replica of it. that could be displayed somewhere, using the materials from it. So my comments in general, really with the design, it's really not pertaining to design, the more open concept with the OpenAir Pavilion, obviously a fan of the pergola. I'm kind of on the fence about, I just don't know if it meshes very well right there. But I want to speak more to the generality of the building and the usage of it because we have talked a lot about it being rented out for events and weddings and other things like that. And I would like to call attention to the fact that that is probably not going to happen and it is probably not going to be a huge revenue driver because I do some of this for work. There are plenty of wedding venues around this town. The city already owns a pretty popular one, which is Lafayette Park. or the plans in place to provide, we don't have the human capital to provide hospitality and service to people that are going to be getting married on weekends and after hours. Who are we going to send to deal with that and deal with those issues? The other thing is people are going to complain about the smell and the noise of leavens. No one wants to get married across the street from a massive mound of, as my little cousins called them, when we were kids driving by them on a golf cart, stinky rocks. So I just think we need to be a little more realistic about what this building will be used for. And I don't think it's going to be for people spending upwards of $5,000 just to rent the venue for a wedding when they can go down the street and get a more inclusive deal from another small business owner. I think the more realistic use of this building is going to be people doing sightseeing, casual leisure, going to have lunch, letting their kids run around in a more contained area, taking a break from walking, and access to future dogs. Because I think the most important thing we can do with our waterfront is to pay homage to the working waterfront by having functioning dogs there. And something with this design that I really like is you see an ADA compatibility with it because we don't technically have an ADA accessible dock or ramp anymore. And that is something I have had people complain to me chiefly about is now there's not really a spot for anyone that is in a wheelchair or in mobile or physically disabled to really get on a boat easily. And I think that's something that we should provide. So in general terms as well, we haven't had any sort of discussion on the projected annual maintenance cost, insurance and liability, utility, and then labor to operate or maintain it, which goes back to the conversation of the canopies, which if we can use mechanical ones or if they're too cost prohibitive or don't make sense, that's public, that's adding another chore onto public works to go every day and take care, take these up or take these down during hurricane season and we have inclement weather, they're going to have to come up, come down, they're also going to have to get cleaned because birds. So I just, I think we need to be a little more realistic about whether or not the pavilion needs to happen. If it needs to happen, and if it needs to happen before the docs come to fruition. Because I think that without the docs there, there is zero draw for anyone to go there. Thank you, Commissioner George. Okay, the revision to the pergola. There's something about it that bothers me. It doesn't look like it's apological. Something about that pitch. It's the pitch. Pitch is steeper than what's on poppum building yet. Right. But like even like the original design, it was kind of, it was flatter. To me, it blended in more with it. Parking more to the, okay. But I look, I kind of think how are Johnson's? Why I see. You're right. Yeah, I'm going to share. I mean, I think something flatter that's less like- Big it back to a more, yeah, okay. It's not really a focal point. It's a feature, but not like a V feature. I mean, that's just my opinion. And just curious. Now, that thing in the back, that's supposed to be a sailboat in the river. You know, you talk about those lines. That's the dark thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's a boat. Yeah. OK, that's not part of it. It was sailboat sa sales of what it was. Okay. Because as you know, I wanted it like as plain as possible. The one thing I never talked about this, I hate to keep adding things, but the most functional Pavilion, the City of Appalachia Coal, ever had was in Lafayette Park. It used to be like this giant round pavilion that had palm trees or the columns. And it was a circular pavilion. And it had a continuous bench around it, where we had parties there, dances. I also had the bands would play there there and it was like a place where people could come and sit without having to bring seating but it wasn't something that required maintenance. It's just a, you know what I mean, just a bench, like continuous bench around there. I mean I think something like that would add to it but I like everything else. I mean I do because it's just plain and if it didn't have the lighting that wouldn't bother me either. I mean that would be nice to have lighting at night but you know as far as the maintenance I'm not sure. Okay. We have a history of having burnout lighting all over town. I like the idea of being able to put up the canopies if you had a summer event. But overall, I would be happy with it, except I do think the perk I needs to be. Plenton. Draw my comments. Thank you. the so it sounds like and correct me if I'm wrong commissioners that we would like for Brett to go back to the drawing board on this concept that correct? Anybody? Yes, Mayor. We can't get on the I mean. That's fair. I mean all your comments are taken. Please understand me. I've done this for a lifetime. And that's why it's your building, it's not mine. I mean, we're doing it, but it's, you know, we want it to be what you all want it to be. So this was just tweaking what we had last time, trying to bring back ideas. I have no problem going back. We'll take the sailboat out so you don't see the line behind it. And again, Commissioner, your statement, you think, incredibly valid. We're going to 11 seafood next door. I don't think about that. We weren't thinking about it, we did it. But I mean, what you say is absolutely or do you want to get married? I don't know. Again, that we thought about was a big open air sort of a deck to allow that, but that's a valid statement, incredible valid statement. Again, we can come back with another view. I'm going to make him come with me. He doesn't get retired. He has to come too. But I'm happy to do it. I have no qualms with it at all. The idea of the canopies, we were just thinking, what do you get in the event, somebody's out there in the middle of the canopies, we were just thinking, what do you get in the event, somebody's out there in the middle of the day. Again, incredibly valid statement, unless you have it mechanized, but then that adds a maintenance cost to it. You know, a mechanical, you know, electrical cost. I don't think we can mechanize it without having, you know, winches or some sort of rigid, track system and the span is such that my structural engineer won't like it because it has to get too deep to carry it on weight. That's why we're thinking maybe cables or something like that. All of our valid comments, you know, please understand. You're not offending me at all. I mean, I want this building. Whatever we do for you, we want it to be what you all want it to be. And if it just becomes, you take the purgla out, it becomes a big platform that people can, you know, the problem is I don't certain you can get out far enough to fish off of it, but it became just a big deck. If that's what you want it to be, that's what we're making. I don't know that someone suggested that went along the model that someone suggested that goes along ways if you build a scale model that you can almost carry around with you of what the building used to look like that really goes along ways with the kids like again stuff that we've done if you can take them and show them what it used to look like it creates a lot of interest in something that could be, you know, permanently set somewhere on that thing would be great as this is what it used to look like in a little history about the building with like a nice little three-dimensional model, small building. And you could get college kids to do stuff like, well, I've got a lot of kids at a New York Tech School who will build something like that as a project and it just it just goes a long ways it just looks great. So that that be something that that I think would be a real good idea. Simple the better. Simple the matter. Understood. Let's go back to the board. I'll try to get something up in two weeks to get it green so she can get it to you and we'll come back Dave and I'll come back next month. It's your turn to buy dinner. No, but it would be happy to be happy to do it. Please understand it. We want it to be what you all want it to be. It is a city of structure. It is a community structure. It's no different. I want to be sure it does what you all want it to be. Function the way you want it to function. And if it doesn't, there's no sense putting the money in the building. Right. I've achieved that going live. Do I not doing what you want it to be? Want it to do what you want it to do. This part anyway, it's not in phase one. This will come out as a set of documents that will fall on your shelf because it's not the redesign and the rebuilding is parked on a shelf and the event you have additional funding. I've got over any actual grant. Are there any other questions commissioner for either Dave or Brett regarding the the right are there any other questions commissioner for either Dave or Brett regarding the pop on building are there your manager is there any interest on the commission to see in a ringering with just a very simple basic deck with no structure and the benches the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the We do want a doc. If we want it to eventually just be, have a doc there, then maybe that's what we need to be focusing on. I don't know if they're going to allow you to put a doc, and that it's shaped totally different than it was. So I don't know. It'd be in the footprint of the other doc that was there was the plan for, as one of George Rockins was saying, that little doc that's sitting there now, that's covered George was saying to put a dock in that same footprint out because it goes pretty close to the canal through the channel there under the bridge and a lot of people like to fish there back in the day because it was right close to that channel. But I mean it would be a multi-purpose facility for people to just sit. And when I was early on, we were talking about this, and I was talking about it. The bench around the outside was kind of in my brain, but just never made it on there. I just kind of thought that would be a cool idea. So is that something I knew Commissioner George through the round content that concept out? Is that something that you would like to see commissioners? Yeah, yeah, both the built-in seats aspect and possibly a round one if that. We would be happy to explore it. Try to get, you know, we'll have to try to jam it here in the next two weeks. Obviously we're in the holiday season for it and I know you guys need it two weeks prior so you can commit to the next commission meeting. We'll be happy to try to get something up and get it over to Bri even in preliminary. We may still, if you don't fault me, if I continue to work over the holidays, it may be bring more at the next meeting, even though we may not, I know we've got to have, before you, two weeks prior to your meeting in order to obligate the space and send something over, but we may bring something additional when we come and maybe provide that to Travis before we, so you all have an opportunity to look at it, but we try to get the options up for you. We have no problem doing that. And whatsoever. Any other comments for the architect and the engineer? If not, thank you gentlemen Thank you. Have a retirement. Happy? Happy. If there are no other comments, may I have a motion to adjourn this workshop? I do have just, we do have just a few minutes left. So I did want to since we are in a workshop form and we have more of an opportunity to talk. I would like to see how the rest of the commissioners feel about the concept of what is the future of this building, what functional uses do we see for it because that is something I keep coming back to is at the end of the day it's going to be an insurance bill, utility bill, maintenance and upkeep bill. And how do we foresee, well, when that being paid for, can it be offset by events, staff to maintain it, and what the public use of it would look like? I've mentioned that I think that utilizing the dock space and trying to have it be more functional for both residents that want to use it on a daily basis, that also ties in to ways that tourists the community. We have a lot of work to do with the community. Both residents that want to use it on a daily basis that also ties in to ways that tourists would use it going to site C, etc. So I just wanted to see what the rest of this commission feels like and what ideas y'all have. I think it would be a good venue. We talked about that a lot. I think people would ruin it because it's on the water. Shade is certainly an issue. I think they would figure it out with Levin's next door. But what I see is a bunch of shrimp guts stuck to the, stuck to the wood and the railings because they're gonna go over there and everybody's gonna fish off of that and it's gonna have dried on shrimp and you know bait bait guts because that's what's that's the detritus left behind when so many fishes and they're gonna use it a fishing pier so I don't know how the two of those things can work together. I think the more dockets we could have for transient, not sailboats, because sailboats, if we don't have the water for them, but boats, transient boats, I think that that is good. So we have a lot. So I think if the Anders Peer is rebuilt, that's a lot of empty dockage too. So there's a lot of things in play there. My vision of having it as a rental venue would be it's the way it is, just like Lafayette Park. If you want the grass mode, you know it. If you want the deck wash, you'd get a pressure washer and wash it. And if you want a shade or tables, you go run them and you get them out of there. So that's my initial thoughts. Commissioner George? I wouldn't see it as being a wedding venue as on a regular basis. I mean, I think there were people that would want to do that. But I mean, I see it as a place where site seeing for just a place to stop and rest, to play just a way to connect with the water and to have, you know, connect with the dock so we can have, you know, where boats can tie up and just more of a casual venue place than we do have enough wedding venues in town. And, you know, there aren't restrooms facilities there, but it would be nice to have a place where people could, you know, get out of the muck. They're down by the water and come up on a deck and have small events or just stop and reflect or fish. And every dock and app watch call it's going to have fish guts on it. That's why people come here. Right. I'm sure Ellen, do you have any other comments? I do not. Just want to know what your thoughts are. For me, the functionality and the low maintenance of it is ideal, is key. Because we don't have a lot of human capital to invest in it, I think we need to keep it simple and with the functionality of it needs to be simple. The maintenance needs to be minimal. Whether it's used for a venue or what have you. I don't know about that. I don't see that being an ideal spot for a wedding venue. I can actually kind of visualize the 10 being used as a fence to separate maybe 11s from this venue. You put up that to their simplicity, low maintenance. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the much. If there are no further comments or questions, may I have a motion to adjourn? I assume. Have a motion by Commissioner Elliott. May I have a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Grove. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carried. Meeting adjourn.