4th, 17th on October 9th, 2024. I would like to start with a go session meeting. Meeting call to order, please. Dr. Boko. Thank you, Mayor. Mayor Wynn. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. I'm here. Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West here. Councilmember Manto. I'm here. Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West here. Councilmember Manto. I'm here. Councilmember Wynn. Mary Abacorum with Councilmember Nguyen absent. Oh, somebody go to the back. I know that the Councilmember Nguyen and Councilmember Nguyen so Councilmember Nguyen is in the back. Councillor Member Mouin and Councillor Emgwass here. So Councillor Mouin is in the back communication for a closed session, please. Do we have anybody sign up for clicking today? Yes, Mayor, we have one speaker. Terry Reigns. Nam Kuan Siah. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. We'll go ahead. Sorry, but this is right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. We'll go ahead. We'll go ahead. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chief. Go ahead. Sorry, but this is right. Seriously. 4.19 p.m., another slander's press conference going on outside as we speak that will probably result in yet another case of litigation against the city. Today's closed session agenda has two more cases of anticipated litigation. Will it ever end as a reminder, pursuant to government code 549569E2, if the fax and circumstances that led to these two potential litigation cases against the city, being agendas today are known to a potential plaintiff or plaintiffs. Those fax and circumstances must be publicly stated on the agenda and or announced here today. Therefore, city attorney Bentonhausen, please consider this my formal request for you to announce the fax and circumstances related to each of these two anticipated cases. If those fax and circumstances are known to the potential plaintiffs, I suspect they are. Amy and Namquan don't even try to, don't even to alleges that my comments for this close session are not on topic. They most certainly are. After all, the agenda description is anticipate litigation, two cases. Generally, the words and actions of Amy van West and Namquan win are the facts and circumstances that will lead to litigation against the city. Recent and future litigation cases are anticipated as a direct result of the egregious words and actions of the two problematic council members, Amy West and NAMK1 went, aka, Twittledee, and Twittledum, aka, Twatwaffles, aka obstructionists. Let's talk about the word obstructionism for a minute to find as the practice of deliberately impeding or delaying the course of legal, legislative, or other procedures. Amy and Namquan guilty as charged. For example, refusing to attend closed sessions, leaving the diast repeatedly for long periods of time and continuously disrupting these meetings. Federal law considers obstruction of justice to be any act that interferes or impedes or obstructs. The do administration of justice is defined as a legal system that a country uses in order to deal with people who break the law. It is further defined as fairness in the way people are treated. Close session meetings regarding litigation are the first step to administer justice to our city and its residents. Once again, Amy and Namquan guilty is charged. Penalties for obstruction of justice can be serious, including up to five years in prison, substantial fines, probation, community service, and of course a criminal record. It's only a matter of time before Twitter D and Twitter DUM are prosecuted for the multitude of crimes they commit day in and day out. And it's only a matter of time before Twitter D and Twitter DUM are sued by city employees, residents, and other council members perhaps. In the form of a massive class action lawsuit against them, furthermore, they shall not receive any legal representation or advice from the city attorney's office at taxpayer expense if and when that does happen. Listen up, Amy and Namquan, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You ignorantly think that you're one step ahead of everyone else when in reality you're displaying pathetic ketchup. There are dozens of ongoing investigations, inquiries, and actions underway as we speak to have both of you ultimately removed from office, which will be a grand day of celebration for all of us. And again, Namquan gone again outside. Thank you. Mayor, I have no further speakers. Thank you very much. This time would you please read the item that we are going to go into the closed session please. City Council will recess to a closed session for the following purpose. Conference with legal council, anticipated litigation pursuant to government code section 54956.9D2, number of cases 2. All right, at this time the council will recess for close session. Thank you. Please be seated and thank you the council member member Manzo and vice mayor for the salute to the flag and invocation. Next is the attorney closed session report. Please. Thank you, Mayor and council. There were two items on the closed session. The council discussed each of those. They provided direction. there's nothing to report in that regard. Further to report. There is one request staff we would like to pull the public hearing item 4.1 that regards the first reading of the bill board, I'm aordnance. If you would agree that I move to approve. I second it. There's a motion. Second on the floor to put item 4.1. I'm public hearing. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynn, seconded by Councilwoman Fanwess to defer item 4.1. Go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Fanwess. Fanwess yes. Councilmember Montau? Yes. Councilmember Wynn. Yes, sorry. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. And Mayor Wynn. Yes. And Mayor Wynne. Yes. And Mayor of I. If anybody's here tonight because it is a public hearing item they could speak during the public comment concerning that item. Okay. Yeah. Next is the expert communications. Is there anything from the Dias? Seeing none, hearing none, moving on to City Clerk with Part Place. City Clerk. Thank you, Mayor. There's a late communication member for Agenda Item 3.4 for Council's consideration and approval. The memo reflects corrections to the attachment for clerical errors. The memo has been presented to all of you, posted online for the public, as well as outside in the front lobby. Also, our office would like to report that the Orange County Register of Voters has started to mail out by mail ballots to all registered voters starting Monday, October 7th. For more information on vote centers, vote by mail ballot drop off locations or to update your voter registration status. Please contact the Orange County Register of Voters directly by visiting their website at www.osivote.com. That concludes our report. Thank you very much and next is the City Manager report. Thank you, Mayor and members of the city council and everyone watching tonight. Let's we'd like to start off with OC police canine association appreciation and demonstration. Westminster community members are cordially invited to the OC police canine association appreciation and demonstration on Saturday, October 26th. The mission is free and attendees will be able to meet canines from most police departments throughout OC. There will be canine demonstrations and for more information. Please visit www.ocpca.org. Next, we have our upcoming Halloween spooktacular, get ready for frightfully fun Friday. Our annual Halloween spooktacular is back on Friday, October 25th at 4.30pm. Join us for a night of spooky thrills from chunker treating and food trucks to a scavenger hunt activities and a movie showing of Kung Fu Panda for under the stars. We'll also be celebrating Dia de los Muertos with community of friendas to remember those we have lost. If you're interested in hosting a trunk or a friend, please contact the community services and recreation department at 714-895-2860. Senior Center has a few upcoming events. First, we have a fall harvest dance. Join us for a festive afternoon at the senior center at the fall harvestvest Dance on Friday, October 11th from 1230 to 230 PM. Dance the Day Away to Live Music by DJ Professor D. Enjoy delicious refreshments and celebrate the season with friends and neighbors. Tickets are only $5 when purchased in advance, but will increase the $7 on the day of the event. Don't miss out on this fun filled celebration. We also have a spooky bingo bash. Bring your best bingo skills and join us for a spooktacular day full of frightful fun, fantastic prices, and eerie excitement, tickets aren't sale for $15. Tickets for all senior center events can be purchased at the senior center front desk. Veterans Day is also coming up. Thank you for your service veterans. Get your free proud veteran yard sign today. Visit the community services and recreation front desk before November 8th or while supplies last for more information. Call 714-89595 2860. I believe next we have walk-in roll to school day. Is there a video? Sorry, we're going to load that up real quick. So today was walk to school and roll day and not the one. Don't worry. So today was don't worry about looking for it. So today was walk and roll to school day and our city was really proud of our efforts and collaboration with our local school districts. We were present at 11 schools throughout the, throughout our community. City staff, including our police department, as well as our city council members and officials from, there we go. Officials from the local schools were out greeting students as they were coming up and walking and biking to school. So this is really a continued effort to promote pedestrian safety and responsible, there we go, responsible driving throughout pedestrian heavy areas. So these are just some photos from today's event at the various school sites. Staff was out there. That would be our own Veronica Johnson in a cone suit. We were out there passing out stickers and as well as other giveaways, photo opportunities. Mayor Chi Charlie, Wynn, Councilwoman Amy Fan West, and Councilman Carlos Monzo were out at Sequoia Elementary. Just a few photos. I believe that is it. And the rest of the slideshow. Thank you very much. I want to thank this moment to thank all our staff for all their dedication. Early in the morning they were out different schools, total of 11 schools. They were out there with school official, school board, and also teachers and principals. We were there to promote the National Work to School Day, as well as the SIPT route to school. And I know that it's a very, very welcoming event from the kids when they worked to school. They were there with us and giving high fives and everything. They really appreciate that we were there with them. And I was there in last year at the Squire School and I was there this morning also. And I appreciate for all your effort, staff, having been working on this for years with a collaborative school board to get a funding for a safe, a safe guard to school. So with the funding available, we can do a lot more to safeguard the children's cross-work to school and all that. So again, thank you very much for your effort, staff from every department, including the WPD. I know that you were there while working really hard for the city. So again, thank you very much. And I know that Council members, Manzo and Council Member West was there with me this morning. Next is the special presentation, but we have none for special presentation today. So moving on to overall communications. Yes, Mr. Wendt, can I propose an urgent item? What on item? Okay. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. All right. I would like to walk on an Urgent item. Realize that item 5.2 on September 11th agenda. City Council meeting which has approved by the city majority Cheechali, Ho and Manso. That has created a necessary willingness and anxiety to the public, especially the residents that are living in mobile home parks within Westernster batteries. The majority of Chi Chali, Ho, and Manzo have recklessly approved a plan which without any doubt will affect the mobile home people greatly in the near future. Chi Chali, all the men's, the three dictators only work in favors of the developers as well as investor that has pockets. Senior and poor resident deserve respect from their elected official. They should be, this should be worse, or as for their input, before we the elected official make any change to the city. All right, so in that being said, I would like to recent item 5.2. We're going to bring it back for discussion. And with the condition that we are going to exclude all the mobile home parts that we are going to exclude all the mobile home parks. We are not going to touch mobile home parks. So that's what I propose. Do I have a second? I don't understand what you are trying to propose. Somebody can interpret it or get me to understand before I vote. This item, staff can you help? May I? Yes, go ahead. Make a statement. Okay, so I think what Councilman Namguang was mentioning was a agenda item on September 11th, I'm going to be talking about the same thing. I'm going to be talking about the same thing. I'm going to be talking about the same thing. I'm going to be talking about the same thing. I'm going to be talking about the same thing. I'm going to be talking about the same thing. I'm going to be talk about traffic mitigation strategies. And you guys did not coordinate with school district to address the student inflex. When those high riser apartments gonna erect up in our city in those areas that overlap the mobile home parks and also the single homes. Overlooking the single homes. So I think what Mr. Namquan wanted to exclude. I've taken it, go ahead and bring it in. Yeah, but I'm just confused. Doesn't even sound anywhere near close to what happened that September 11th. I don't know, maybe you guys didn't understand the case that was before us. Well, they never addressed that. It's nothing has been addressed as an ongoing staff study. But you guys voted to move ahead. So, okay. You three voted and I asked. And I asked you guys may I finish in the city attorney? Please, please. People. I ask that you guys have the public hearing so the homeowners and resident can have a say input before the redevelopment happened in our city. And I think it's important to always protect that and talk about the imminent domain safeguarding the mobile home parks resident and the traffic that's going to cause with the high density. And also what's going to happen to the students? I believe this time here, we are not going to the, I'm sorry, it's enough. We can't go into discussion about this until we get this item on the agenda. So if I could. Yes, please. Yeah, in order to walk an item onto the agenda, it has to be an item of sufficient urgency and it arose and we became aware of it after the agenda was posted. So you'd have to vote on a for-fist vote that this issue arose after the agenda was posted and that it's an urgency item that needs to be addressed tonight as opposed to at the next meeting. I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think that's why I think I put your other residents here today, Mr. Mayor. I withdraw my motion at this time because of the urgency. I don't know whether this is the urgency or not. But I withdraw and have the council design on that. Mr. Mayor, I think it's important for the resident and homeowners to have a safer. If that's the case, say second to this. Move forward to the motion. Yes, he has a second, but I think it's that. Which is a second to the motion? Yes, he has a second, but it's a second. Which is the second to the motion? I thought you were. So you got to withdraw? I told you I withdraw from... So I am his second, because there is Earth. Right. See, they're referring here. At this time, we have the motion to take the dialogue. We'll talk about it. Go ahead and call for the vote. Go ahead. I love it. Talk about it. So there is a motion made by Councilman Wynn, seconded by Councilman Fan West to walk on an item to rescind item number 5.2 from the September 11th meeting. At least to discuss that. Exactly. That's all for the vote. I want to bring it back for discussion with condition that we're going to exclude all the mobile parks. Mobile home parks. Okay. Great. Noted. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So number one. Yes. Vice mayor ho. No. And mayor win. No. All right. So two, three. Next is overall communication. So this is for concerning agenda items only. So please, if you come to address, please address the castle with the agenda item only. If you are addressing non-achand item, so please wait until non-achand item or communication open for you. May I speak in Vietnamese because there are some Vietnamese in here so allow me to address them. So that would you please read the instruction in the record please. This is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the City Council regarding any items on the agenda except public hearing items. Members of the public wishing to address public hearing items shall do so at the time of the public hearing. Unless otherwise extended by a majority vote of the council, comments shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the City council in person should complete a green speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called please step to the podium at that time. State your name, city of residents for the record. First speaker is Michael Rangia followed by David Johnson. Thank you mayor councilmembers. I'm going to be talking on item 3.3 which is the acceptance of the grant award from the Office of Traffic Safety for Selective Traffic Enforcement Program. What I'd like to see on this is I don't know whether the chiefs had a chance to read the report that came out of the recent Grand jury, the 2324 Orange County Grand jury. The report that dealt with e-bikes, and I believe we've already had two or three fatal accidents with e-bike riders in this city. I would like to see, for safety reasons, some type of regulations, city regulations, when it comes to e-bikes as far as age, what type of safety equipment they need to be double riding, and just what these bikes bring to traffic enforcement. About three weeks ago, my wife and I were coming north bound on Edwards Street, and there was a person on an e-bike. I didn't get close enough to them to find out if it was an older teenager or an adult. I was doing 45 miles an hour which was the speed limit there and this guy was pulling away from us on an e-bike. I don't know what modifications were done on it but he was out ahead of traffic. Nobody caught him at that 45 mile-an-hour speed limit. I see kids double riding, no helmets, going the opposite direction on the sidewalks. These things have become such a part of our environment now. Some cities have absolutely no regulations. Other cities have some regulations. Everybody's sitting around waiting for the state to come up with vehicle code sections for the e-bikes and they're not really doing much about it. I would like to see Westminster step up to the plate and maybe get out ahead of all of this and come up with some type of regulations for our city. When it comes to e-bikes, I see kids that are in middle school. There's no helmets. There's nothing safety about it, about safety gear, they're double riding, they're on the sidewalk, they're flying down the sidewalk, and I would like to see us do something, and maybe we can prevent some of these accidents that all of the cities here in Orange County are seeing with the e-bikes, and maybe we can sort of set the pace on this, set an example for other cities and maybe even the state. Maybe we can get the attention of the state and get them to get off their backside. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. David Johnson. Thank you for this opportunity. I'd like to encourage you to approve the item for 5.1 which is a stack bar concession for our challenger league. A challenger league is designed as a sport for those that have different disabilities. And as you know, the community services and recreation department had refurbished and redesigned that park specifically for people with those needs. And the snack bar is part of that. And they are a shining star and something that our city can hold up bright and say look at what we're doing for our community and for certain community members. So I think it's the right thing to do and I just want to encourage you to vote yes, thank you. Next speaker is hungwin followed by Roger Bindram? Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Tonight I think I don't think I need to talk because we have a very long story. However, everybody's receiving my letter already. And I think you read it. And my question is out for, you know, the Westmeetville Police Department about how to address the citizen. Because the last week, you should know he's a candidate for the Tric-3 will it a long time ago, last year on May 27, 2023. Charlie Mayor. Is it on the agenda item? Is it on the agenda item? What agenda item that you are addressing to? I say I don't need it. We go and tell you the other. Wait until the oral communication, please. Thank you very much. So you let me talk to you after that. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Wait, wait, wait, when the oral communication comes. Yes. That's the end. That's the end. Please, please. I think that's a please please please please please please please please please it's my yes yes at this point here we are conducting yes I do I do. I do because I need to meet him first. You are not recognized at this time. I'm talking. Okay. At this time, we are doing the non-achindized item only. But if you are not talking the agenda item only, I'm sorry. If you are talking about non-achindized item, wait until the time that we open up for the nonachindia item you can you can talk all you want with the time permitted to you. So. Thank you. So I think Mr. Foon, he is talking on the agenda too, which is oral communication. That's what he was talking on. Speaking on. Oh, no. Oral communication, because that's what Christine mentioned last time when other residents were speaking. And they were speaking on item number two. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Council member West, oral communication have two parts. There is non-achand item in a chained item. At this time, we are conducting a chained item only. So that's it. Next speaker please. I follow the rule. Roger Mindrom followed by Donald Link. Good evening. Roger Mindram, rather than I was minister. I'm going to speak a little bit about item. I'm sorry, I think it was 3.4. The approval of the tow services agreement. I haven't read verbatim all of the 36 pages but I believe that this is not ready to be implemented or even at your desk or even looked at. I did see some things about City of Anaheim and things like that so this was obviously borrowed. I sure hope this isn't in the official agreement that's been being used over the last three years. Apparently this is a three year contract. So I believe that this needs to be tabled. And I guarantee you, or maybe anybody can tell me if anybody else up there's read the 36 pages, I really highly doubt you did. So I didn't read all of it, but a couple of things that I did read that definitely need to be changed is some of the fees on when somebody is vehicle being towed. So I'd say 50% of the time a car collision is your fault or the other person's fault, right? Usually at least two people involved, somebody else is out fault. Well, I'm sure the police department might have some information as far as how many people crash into parked cars. Okay, I work for an insurance company, I deal with this stuff every day, I deal with tow bills every day. Most insurance companies pay for reasonable charges, read your policy. Some of these charges definitely need to be taken out. There's two fees on here, automatically charged to somebody that gets a vehicle towed. $375 per impound, plus $305 for vehicle storage which this looks like it goes straight to the police department. They're not in the business to be making money off the residents or people passing through the city. So those are two red flags right there, those two charges. You need to scrutinize this agreement and put yourself in the position of being an innocent victim of somebody crashing into you. There's all kinds of instances where people's cars are parked in front of their house. And some bozo drunk or not, slams into them, totals out their car. And these charges can break somebody, personally. Can't feed your kids, can't pay the rent. and if you think that's going to the insurance companies and question that off, is going to the insurance companies, we all pay it. How does everybody like their insurance rates right now? This just adds to it. Please read all of it, start from scratch, copy other cities, do what's best for everyone, residents or people passing through, or yourselves, put yourself in that position of having to pay these charges just because you're an innocent victim of, or even if you're at fault, doesn't make you a bad guy, right? Thank you. I just wanted to follow up with that. This is a staff item, so I know there were some mistakes. I don't know that I believe that staff already picking them up. At this time here, I believe it to staff to decide if we need to go into the discussion. The council will consider a consideration of that. Only staff can put the item if they wish to Okay next item next speaker please Next speaker is Donald Link followed by last speaker Terry rain It's 4.1 and 2 agenda items? Yes, but we will move 4.1. You can speak on that item. If you're going to have 100 foot signs now, I think it should go out to how far you can see that sign and a thousand feet perimeter for the residents to be notified when you're going to construct a sign that's over 100 feet. I should say a 4.2 is a public hearing item so that one you're going to have a chance to speak right when that one comes up. 4.1 won't be so if you want to comment on that one. Well anyway it's the same argument. The same comment, do it now, get it out of the way. The other thing I'm going to speak in favor is the challenger program and approve that because a great thing you got kids playing ball. And I call them able kids, not disabled kids. And I hope it will hard to leave support that and hope everybody on that. I call them able kids, not disabled kids. And I hope to hardly support that and hope everybody on that. There's nobody who would go against that. Thank you. Last speaker is Terry Reigns. Hello, you're welcome for the late communications memo for item 3.4 due to the email that I sent with reporting the errors but I never got an acknowledgement. A lot of it looked like it was a copy, sloppy copy and paste from the City of Anaheim's agreement. I wish to learn we only have one tow provider in the current rotation. Hopefully this new agreement will yield more qualified providers, all of which must have the correct equipment and training to sow full-sized RVs pursuant to our new RV permit ordinance item 9.1. I agree, a rejected item cannot be brought back by any council member, not just the original requester. The public opines that there is a material error in the policy. It reads, quote, the requested item cannot be requested again by any member of the council for a maximum of six months unless there is an urgency as determined by new information. The word maximum must be changed to minimum. Council members have to wait at least six months, aka a minimum of six months to request again. Using the word maximum wrongly implies that it can be brought back before six months and the policy has always been six months or longer. Item 9.2 mayor went, I applaud you for trying to make these meetings run more smoothly and efficiently, but you can't keep legislating around the two disruptive obstructionists. Amy and Namquan, to the detriment of everyone else. They have admitted they are purposely sabotaging these meetings to reflect badly on Miami, your mayor. Creating new and or more restrictive policies won't change their important behavior. Your city attorney is not helping at all. He drafted a minute order policy to provide you with the process to formally warn and ultimately remove disruptive council members but buried it under another agenda item at the August 28 meeting. It was approved by Council majority, but when you try to implement the same meeting and reach the third final warning for a council member, your city attorney changes mine again and advise you not to remove the council member even after three warnings or recess and their continued disruptive behavior. Your city attorney wrongly applies that government's freedom of speech ranks higher than the public. The first amendment was adopted to protect our right to address and criticize our government, not the other way around Christian. Ameen and Namquan continue to trample all over our First Amendment rights with new tactics, such as filing false police reports, filming and even live streaming from the dias. It's speakers at the podium, the audience and other council members attempting to intimidate us all into science. It's not going to happen. The more they try to silence us, the louder we're going to get. You've all been put on notice calling out members of the public. My name and slandering us from the diast will not be tolerated. And if that practice continues, the city will be sued. I object to agenda item section nine. All council requested items as the mayor mentioned, motion to amend the agenda order resolution and council approved on August 28th. Items should be agenda item and the appropriate existing section of the original intent was merely to add council member agenda item request to section 9 which was council member comments and AB1234 reports. Accordingly I don't want to provide my non agenda comments until after the controversial section 9 items have all been heard. Item 4.1 was a pulled or continued need clarification on that because I have errors to report about it. And also lots to say about the failed motion to walk on an item. We'll do that later. Thank you. Welcome up. Thank you. We realize that we have not yet acknowledged you, but the thing is we were waiting for the end of the time that we are approved consent calendaring. We do that. But since you brought it up, we on behalf of the city staff and city council would like to thank you for pointing out some of the errors that we need to pay attention to. So thank you very much for that. Next speaker, are we done with the- I have no other speakers. Thank you very much. I want to thank you everyone to come out to the meeting and express your opinions. The City Council will receive your opinion, will you perceive and we'll take it that into consideration when we discuss the items. At this time we are going to consent calendar and all matters listed under consent calendars are considered routine and maybe approved by a single motion followed by a rule code. There will be no separate discussion of these item. Unless members of the City Council are staff requests that specific items be removed from this consent calendar for separate action or discussion. Is there a motion to approve consent? Mr. Mayor, I don't want to address 3.3 point, which item agenda is that 3.3. Okay, you mean you want to pull this item, right? Well, I don't want to pull or I want to prove, but before I do, may I? All right, next. Is there anything else? Here, I'm wishing to approve the remainder, but I need to recuse myself and vote abstain for item 3.4. As I may or may not have a conflict of interest on there, I made that there's a company that donated to our campaign that may or may not be on the rotation of the toe, I don't know, so just in the case of precaution, I don't want to prove on that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your transparency on that. So I second the motion. So we have motion and second on the floor to approve the rest of consent calendar except for 3.3. Well, I want to talk about 3.3. We have to approve the item first before we can specifically. I don't want to bring it up. I just want to briefly say something quick. I don't want to pull it. We need to pull it. Yeah, that's we need to pull it. We need to pull it. Unless you agree to go ahead and approve it. So I will pull it for your- I don't want to pull it for a sake of time. I just want to say something quick. You want to- Just one minute. Okay, so I just want to thank Chief Darren and Westminster PD for doing a great job obtaining the grant of War for Traffic Enforcement program for 2025 and 2026. Keep up the good work, guys. All right. So you actually can say that at the time that you approved the item, you vote for the item. So I don't understand why you're doing that. But let's move forward. For the sickle time. Why don't you willing to revise your motion to include everything right now? Not to pull any item. The rest of the council. You would have motion. I make the motion and I'm just going to approve it all. Except I need to abstain myself from three points. I agree to that. You know what I would like to pull Adam 3.4. I need to leave the room then. Okay. Now is the. We'll do the balance first. Request to move the poor item 3.4. Okay. I have a motion. Now you have to go back. I will. Let's go to the budget motion. Motion to approve with the exception of 3.4. I second that. Okay. I have a motion made by Council Member Manzo, seconded by Mayor Wynn to approve the consent calendar except item 3.4 for separate discussion. I'll go ahead and call roll. Councillor Womens, Van West. Yes. Councillor Member Mando. Yes. Councillor Member Wynn. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynn? Yes. Motion carried. So this item 3.4 pulled by Council Member Wynn. Approval of toll services agreement for the Westminster Police Department rotational toll program. Because remember when your turn? Yes, I just have a question with the chief that, what is the different why we have such agreement that I have on hand right now? It's like before we have a agreement with some other companies, right? And now we have another new company coming in. So originally we had three companies due to change in the business environment we are down to one. It's not good to operate on one, especially if they get too busy or we run into any type of Unforeseen circumstances we will not have one Generally we work with three three fours optimal for a city our size so we're in need of two additional companies at minimum So this look like a monopoly to me like a we have only one company to take care of on a token service? I can see where you would think that, and I can actually say I agree with you, and that's why we want to open it up the agreement to more companies. Okay. I remember like very, very long time ago that I have a question for you in regard of the day and time that when it fall into the weekend. So I believe that the third company they chose the owner of the vehicle, the day that they don't provide service. So council member, I would advise you at this time I cannot discuss criminal investigations that might be happening. In that case, I would warn you not to say any further because of investigations we may be having. Okay, I don't understand. I don't understand what are you saying. I'm talking about, I'm talking about the, the toll and service. I mean, the, the toll and company. I have a question. Sorry, I have a question for the city attorney. There was enough rise from the chief police about this item. Are you okay with that or you want to continue to have him discuss about this item? Yeah, I don't know the specifics that are involved here, but it sounds as though the chief thinks that the councilmember may be aware of a particular incident. And your- The council member made the police department aware of a specific incident that we have under investigation because it is a criminal matter. I would advise council member to not speak of that matter any further. So don't talk about that but specific incident you can talk about the. No I'm the already in general right here. So just for an example that an owner of the vehicle was told by a service company, and I believe that the tone company, they don't work or they doesn't work on Sunday. But the people that get told, they get charged by, you know, by Sunday. So I think that's not fair for them, and I mentioned this before. Councilmember, I agree with you that it isn't fair and it's violation of the agreement. And in some cases it can be criminal. And if it was criminal, we would have an under investigation. All right, thank you. And specifically there are actually after our fees that they can charge but they actually have to show up and release the car. Okay, with that I move to approve this item. I have a question. Okay, Go ahead. I know that Mr. Monzo has to excuse himself because one of the donor that is the toll company is part of this on this list. I think it's going to be supervised if you guys elect them or select them because for a favor of a council person so do you guys fact that that in as well? So I Will say and I'll have the attorney say attorney way in on this as well We don't know who that is. I do not know who is giving campaign money to any council member Wouldn't be factored in In this agreement at all and we don't even know of it. So there would be no bias in there. We're not aware of any of that. And you haven't talked to Mr. Carlos Monzo as well regarding the tow company. That's correct at all. Okay. And this is just I want to let you know that this is the first time that I heard that he recuse himself. I don't know. He has involved with any toll company or what. But I respect him for for recuse himself from from the from the discussion and to approve or for this approval. So anyway, I move to approve this item. I second. Okay. If I could add two. Correct me if I'm wrong, chief. But I think they basically use set for some standards and any company that meets those standards gets on the list. It's not really, I think it's pretty much if they meet the requirements. Yes, and that's a good point, city attorney. If they meet the requirements and it's not just our requirements, the tow services that seeking to go into an agreement with us actually have to go to the CHP and pass an inspection. So it's not just the ones we choose. They also have to be approved by the CHP. Yeah, and let me add too that you create a rotation list and then if you're at the top of the list, when a tow happens, they call that one at the top of the list. If they are responsive, then they do the tow. If they're not, they go to the bottom of the list and the next one goes. So it's just a way of kind of having a series of companies available and that you're able to restrict their, how much they're charging for those types of activity. Yes, and I know one of the speakers talked about the fees. I would like to just comment on that as the fees were set by council and the fee study. The last fee study we did in 2023, I believe it was, might be off by a year. And we don't charge, I know he mentioned that, the speaker mentioned that there was a certain fee for accidents, the police department does not charge any fees for vehicles that were involved in accidents. Okay, thank you very much. We have motion and second on the floor. I would like to make a substitute motion. Okay, thank you very much. We have a motion and second on the floor. I like to make a substitute motion Okay, go ahead. I believe that I need more information about this so my motion is bringing back to For discussion by next meeting You got my second because I think we're rushing everything This is valid concern. So I second you Okay, there's a substitute motion on the floor. So something motion go first Okay, can you repeat their substitute emotion please? I Have a substitute motion made by council member when Seconded by councilman fan west To defer item 3.4 Number one, seconded by Councilwoman Fan West. Excuse me. To defer item 3.4 for further discussion. All right. Next to the next meeting. Sorry, to the next meeting. I'll go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Panwest. Fanwest yes. Councilmember Monzo. Oh, I'm sorry. Councilmember Wynn. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynn. No. I already got a No. Thank you. The motion passed. Motion passed. Okay. So this motion passed. I mean we delay. Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you. That's me turning. Yeah, that motion passed three. All right. And I'll be right back. I'm going to go get council in Monzo. Okay, thank you very much. Can you get councilmember Manzo back? All right. Next is public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak on the item and open public hearing may speak in person. Speaker during public hearing comments will each have three minutes to speak on each public hearing item. We have two items today even though we pull 4.1 but you can also speak on 4.1. Though we are not going to discuss about it. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip and that is a provided entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step to the podium at the time and state your name and city resident optional for the record, please. So at this time, I would like to open for public hearing on 4.1. First reading of the award amortization, ordinance, and demanding chapter 17.330 of the Westminster municipal code. So I'd like to start with the staff report please for 4.1 staff. 4.1 so one that we pulled. Oh see I make mistakes on that. So we pulled 4.1 but why don't we wait until I know there's public comment on this so why don't we we combine the public comment for the 4.2 also is that okay with we have to so just move to item 4.2. Okay. Thank you very much. With that, we will move to public hearings 4.2. And 4.2 was the first reading of billboard ordinance, amending chapter 17.330 of the West Minnesota municipal code. At this time I asked for a swap report for 4.2. Thank you mayor, council members, ladies and gentlemen, as our team settles in, here I'll just make a very brief comment about this item. So this item essentially brought forth at the direction of the city council to establish establish policy, a set of rules, if you will, for the placement of digital billboards in the City of Westminster. So that's going to be the focus of tonight is we have municipal code that references signage along the freeways in the city that is antiquated and is not reflect the new technology that we see throughout the nation, nation really and in Southern California. And this item would update that antiquated language and that's the focus of our presentation tonight. Ryan Salz, our senior management analyst is here to assist Stephanie Tomayino, is our contract planner that will be leading the majority of the presentation. At this moment I'd like to turn it over to Stephanie. Good evening mayor, vice mayor and members of the city council. My name is Stephanie Tohmeito, contract principal planner on behalf of the community development department. Billboards are a permitted sign type in the city. They require a conditional use permit and are subject to planning commission approval. In recent years, the city has experienced a growing amount of interest from prospective billboard developers and currently the city has several pending applications for billboards on private properties. Those applications all involve an electronic, freeway oriented billboard. Those applications are also accompanied by a variance request to allow the billboard to exceed the height limit currently established in the zoning code. Now these recent experiences have shed light on the fact that the city's billboard regulations are outdated, ambiguous, and inconsistent with modern practices. The existing regulations were designed for static billboards facing city streets. Additionally, there are ongoing city council initiatives to beautify the community and enhance economic development through creative revenue streams. This project does play into these ongoing initiatives. The city has initiated the zoning tax amendments to the Westminster municipal code, which we will refer to as the billboard ordinance. The proposed ordinance aims to accomplish several goals. First, it creates clear and consistent standards for development and design of future billboards. Second, it updates the city's regulations to address digital technologies. Third, it includes standards to prevent potential impacts to the public, such as related to lighting and traffic safety. And fourth, it formally establishes a public benefits program. And last, the ordinance will only affect current and future applications. Existing billboards will not be impacted by the ordinance. The next two slides will highlight the main changes contained within the proposed ordinance. In terms of location, new billboards would only be permitted on sites adjacent to the freeways. In terms of design, all future billboards must be digital. Static displays will no longer be permitted. In terms of heights, the maximum height would be increased so that billboards could be built up to 90 feet. This number was identified by staff based on an evaluation of existing freeway oriented structures along the 405 and 22 freeways. And what we can get into that in later slides. The ordinance also includes a cap on the maximum number of billboard citywide. This standard was added at the recommendation of the planning commission to prevent signage, proliferation, along the freeways. The exact language was further revised by the planning commission to require both the city council and commission review of any request to exceed the maximum billboard cap. Moving on to maximum size, the proposed ordinance would increase the maximum dimensions, and it also includes setbacks from residential properties as well as from property lines. The intent behind these setbacks is to prevent impacts to neighbors, especially residents. There are provisions built into the ordinance to allow for flexibility from the setback requirements, which would be subject to planning commission approval. And last we are formalizing the city's current practice of requiring billboard applicants to obtain an agreement with the city. These agreements would be subject to city council approval and those negotiations would occur outside of planning staff's review of the billboard application. Generally, these agreements have included provisions for annual mitigation fees paid to the city, which may include public use of, which may also include public use of billboards to advertise community events and discounts for local businesses. So just to back it up a little bit more and just to give a quick comparison of what's within the existing zoning code right now versus what is proposed within the billboard ordinance presented to you today. So in terms of the approval process, we do want to emphasize that no changes are proposed. Billboards currently require a conditional use permit and are subject to planning commission approval. And if the ordinance is adopted, the process remains the same. All billboards will continue to require planning commission approval and be subject to the appeal process. In terms of location, currently under the existing zoning code, billboards are allowed on all commercial and industrial properties. And there are quite a few industrial and commercial properties in the city. So under the proposed ordinance, they would only be allowed on commercial and industrial properties adjacent to the freeways. So inherently that limits the number of billboards and really consolidates them closer to the freeways. In terms of maximum height, under the existing code billboards can be built up to 35 feet. But as we've seen with these recent applications, they typically do include a variance request to exceed the 35 foot height limit. So under the proposed ordinance, the staff is recommending a height up to 90 feet. But one of the things that we do really want to emphasize is that 90 feet is the maximum. And through the CUP process, through the evaluation undertaken by staff, as well as the planning commission, we really require the applicants to demonstrate why that height is needed. So we typically require a number of visual studies, renderings taken from all sorts of different angles. We look at it from at least a dozen different perspectives including any nearby residential uses. We look at simulations that show what a billboard could look like at a height of 70 feet, 80 feet, and 90 feet, and really kind of compare the differences. And one of the things that we discovered in looking in determining what that number would be is that we did discover that the 405 freeway is very unique. There's a lot of freeway oriented structures along there that could obstruct the visibility of the billboards. And so we felt that 90 feet was appropriate given just the unique circumstances and really just the added justification that applicants would be required to go through. And then, and last in terms of the residential setback, one of the things we do want to emphasize is that the existing zoning code currently does not have a residential setback requirement. So staff is recommending a setback so that billboards must be located at least 200 feet away from residential uses. The Planning Commission is a advisory body to the City Council. The Commission makes recommendations on matters related to Title 17 land use within the municipal code. So the Planning Commission's recommendations will be summarized over the next two slides. But for any zoning text amendments per the code, those recommendations are present, those initial staff recommendations are presented to the planning commission, and then the planning commission makes a recommendation to the City Council. So tonight, the ordinance that's presented to you in Attachment 1, it's a collective of both the planning commission's recommendations as well as staffs. So first of all, the planning commission considered the billboard ordinance twice in public hearings in August and September. It resulted in a dozen changes to the ordinance. So during the first public hearing on August 21st, the planning commission made expressed an overall desire to cap the number of billboard citywide. Really just to prevent any kind of signage proliferation along the freeways. And that was a really great recommendation. Staff included that in the revised ordinance, which was presented to the Planning Commission at the Second Public Hearing. The Second Public Hearing on September 18th included a very lengthy discussion. And then overall, it resulted in commission consensus to amend 11 different sections of the ordinance. And I would recommend referring to attachment to your staff report, which really details the initial language recommended by staff and the changes that were recommended by the commission. So of the changes recommended by the planning commission, staff generally agrees with seven out of 11 revisions. These changes are relatively minor and generally are consistent with the intent of the billboard ordinance. So they're summarized over here on your screen. They cover a range of different topics, going quickly over them. The Planning Commission recommended explicitly including mobile homes in the definition of residential use and staff agrees. The Planning Commission also recommended prohibiting any architectural projections above 90 feet and belief that the 90 foot maximum was sufficient and suffocates. They also recommended adding some clarifying language related to just support framing and architectural treatment to again limit the maximum height to 90 feet and to also just clarify the intent of some of the standards really for the purposes of aesthetic reasons. Moving on to number nine, the Planning Commission recommended adding some additional contact info from billboard operators at or near the base in case any members of the public would like to see that contact information. Number nine, or I'm sorry, number 10, the Planning Commission recommended removing a provision so that expedited approvals would not be required for any future changes as a result of technological upgrades. And also not allowing any by-right increases in the dimensions if that billboard happens to be modified in the future. So again, these are the seven recommendations presented by the Planning Commission that staff is in agreement with because they are all consistent with the overall intent of the billboard ordinance. So there were four out of the 11 revisions recommended by the commission that staff wanted to highlight tonight. So first of all, the first relates to the public hearing notification radius. So essentially, who gets notified of a proposed billboard project depending on where they live? In general, the zoning code is set up so that any public hearings, public notices, get sent out to everyone that lives or owns property within 500 feet of that project site. And that's standard across the board. So the planning commission voted to double the notification radius from 500 feet to 1000 feet. After the commission meeting staff consulted with the city attorney's office and we concluded that the change is not necessary. Because that provision already exists within the zoning code itself. So just to avoid some redundancy and really to avoid creating any excessive requirements for a specific land use which could pose a legal liability to the city staff would respectfully disagree with the planning commission and that recommendation was not carried over into the ordinance that's presented to you in attachment to. Moving on to number three, staff agrees with the Planning Commission's recommendation to cap the number of billboard citywide. However, at the Second Planning Commission public hearing, they recommended involving the Planning Commission in any such decision to increase the number of billboard citywide. Staff overall is neutral on this and ultimately deferes to the City Council, but please note that this change would lengthen the review period of any impacted applications. Moving on to number seven, the Planning Commission also recommends the inclusion of a city logo in all billboard designs. Previously before the Planning Commission meeting staff has been or during the meeting, let me back up. Staff did discuss with the commission how the city and staff is in these ongoing discussions with applicants regarding billboard or city branding options. Those discussions are ongoing and future design options will be considered carefully as those applications you know reach that point in their overall review process. So therefore staff's initial recommendation really did not mandate the inclusion of a city logo but that is something that the Planning Commission overall is recommending. So staff is neutral on this recommendation and we really leave it up to the council's discretion. And last under number eight, staff's initial draft ordinance included an exception section which allowed applicants to request exceptions to the development standards. Any request would still require planning commission approval. And staff's overall intent behind the exception section was really to address unique circumstances specific to a site and to allow applicants to, you know, the chance to justify their situation. Planning commission did recommend removing the exception section and instead require applicants to apply for a variance, which is very similar to the current process in place right now. Overall staff is neutral on this topic and we leave it up to the discretion of the City Council. But it is worth noting that the current variance process that we have in place, it's a little more challenging and it does require findings that are not really related to billboard applications. And that's what resulted in staff drafting up this exception section. So nonetheless, regardless of what was discussed over the last two slides, we do really want to emphasize that staff has included 10 out of the 11 recommendations made by the Planning Commission. Attachment 2 represents all of those recommendations. Everything with the exception of number one on the public hearing notification radius. Okay, so a lot of information, but we really just want to boil it down into four main anticipated outcomes. If adopted by the City Council, these are a couple of things that we can anticipate as a result of the billboard ordinance. Overall, it would result in a reduction in the total number of billboard citywide, because they would be allowed in far less locations. Number two, billboards would generally be consolidated in locations near the freeways, thereby reducing billboard proliferation throughout the city. These two anticipated outcomes contribute to the Council's ongoing initiative to beautify the city. We can also anticipate that future billboard locations would operate more efficiently by utilizing modern technology and allowing each location to advertise multiple messages. And last, we can anticipate the billboard ordinance to result in significant public benefits through annual mitigation fees to fund general services benefiting the community. In conclusion, the Planning Commission and staff recommend introducing an ordinance for first reading, approving the billboard ordinance, including the corresponding zoning text amendments. Should the City Council, by majority vote vote wish to change any of the recommendations made by planning commission or staff, we would recommend referring to attachment to and providing specific direction to staff on any modifications the council wishes to make. That concludes staff's presentation. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Anything else from the staff? I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Anything else from the staff? Okay. With that, at this time, for mayor and city council questions for staff, let me change to all the little bit here to be fair for everyone. So I'd like to recognize council member Wynne, for five minutes to apply, please. What I have no comment. At this time, we are open up for mayor and city council question for staff. I don't have any question. Okay, all right. Council member Mezzo. Thank you, Mayor. Can you discuss about on the attachment number two, the items three and eight? Can you go a little bit more detail on that one? The staff's initial recommendation and then they're changing from the planning commission. What is a little bit more detail on that? Could we have the presentation back on the screen please. Thank you for the question, Councillor So all the if a feature billboard goes before the planning commission does it not after that come to the city council? So typically with any land use decision. So any discretionary planning applications that are established in title 17 land use decision. So any discretionary planning applications that are established in Title 17, land use of the zoning code, those land use decisions have been delegated to the planning commission. So those applications go directly to the planning commission, but they are subject to an appeal period. So currently with billboard applications, they require a conditional use permit. So since that is a discretionary land use decision that goes to the planning commission. However, again, any types of applications, they are subject to a 15 day appeal period, as well as city council call a procedure. And then what was the comments during that item number three between staff and initial recommendation and then the final planning commission recommendation. Sure, so regarding that specific provision, so it relates to the number of billboards citywide. And overall staff is an agreement of adding. Okay. So the original standard said that the City Council may, however, approve additional billboard installations beyond this cap. So as part of the standard, it would be limiting it to 10 billboard citywide. So the original staff recommendation stated that the council may, however, approve additional billboard installations beyond this cap, if it determines that the proposed billboard will not create adverse visual impacts on the surrounding area, and will not diminish the effectiveness or revenue potential of existing billboards. So the planning commission's recommendation was to modify that language, and to also include the planning commission in those kinds of decisions. So their specific recommendation required both the City Council approving any increase in the number of billboards along with the planning commission's recommendation and then requiring any such decision to increase the number of billboards through a notice public hearing process at both the planning commission and City Council. Okay, thank you. That's all I got for today. For now. All right, thank you very much. Clear the four minutes for me, please. I have the same question. That's why I want to follow up instead of changing it. There's no sort of concerns in question number three. Go ahead and get it back. The follow-up question is this. I understand that the more billboards that we have, the more revenue that we can generate for the city. Am I correct about it? What happened? If the more, if more, right now we're limited to 10. Okay. If we have more chance billboards in the city for the city wide, then we can generate more revenue for the city. And what is the limit up? And originally you came up with the 17 what were what are the reason or what were the reason for us to reduce to 10. It was always. Yeah. So thank you for the question, Mayor Nguyen. That is correct with each billboard application, the city is requiring an agreement through either a development agreement or an operating agreement. And as part of that agreement, which is subject to city council approval, there typically is a provision for annual mitigation fees as well as additional public benefits to the community. So that could include discounts for local businesses that wish to advertise on the billboard. That could also include the provision for city use of those billboards to be able to display public safety messages, as well as any community events as well. So there definitely is public benefits as relates to those agreements. So yes. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about what was the reason for us to reconsider from the 17 billboards to set 10 billboards. And that will- Can I interject here? Yes, go ahead. I think really that's a fully in your discretion. That's for whatever reason, the Planning Commission decided that they want- I understand, but that's why I want to understand why and how commission and a plan commission come up with the idea. Do I agree with them or not? I want to hear from you. Yes, sir. So I will ask, to do part question, we'll answer both parts. Like Stephanie said, one would think that more billboards, results and more revenue. Only the market, the free market will determine if we continue to add billboards whether the 10th billboard mitigation fee to the city will be the same as the first. If there's competition that may affect it as you start to add more billboards along the corridor. Only time will tell and the private sector drives that dollar amount. That's the first part of it. The second part of it has to do with when this was first presented to the planning commission, what were, did we have limits and what were those limits and Ryan can answer that question? We did not propose a limit the first time we took it to the planning commission and based on the feedback we got in the first public hearing from the planning commission specifically. We went back and assessed how many billboards could potentially be erected based on this development standards we were proposing. We found that it was 15 billboards along the four or five and 22 freeway at absolute maximum capacity. And we chose to choose 10 as the maximum for the ordinance proposed to you today. But what we're proposing in or what we're saying we're neutral in on number three is whether the planning commission can have the recommendation as part of that assessment of whether we add billboards, the number of maximum billboards in the ordinance, but ultimately that will be up to the city council and at any time, based on the way the ordinance is written now, the city council could go back and increase the number of billboards. So really you could look at this maximum of 10 as it's not set in stone, but that is the maximum that we are placing as of right now and that's the way it would stand in the municipal code if it was to cancel the discretion if you want to go back to from the cut-in-scenes or set a maximum. Yeah I understand from the cows or cows or discretion that's the reason why I want to find out exactly what we can so that we can suggest or recommend you guys what to do. The first and foremost we went into this kind of project or this kind of businesses because we want to bring more revenue to the city. Period. We want to get more revenue for the city. And if unless there is a reason for us not to have additional fire that we're talking about, because of this reason and that reason, then I can understand. But if not, then why can't we? All right, I will go back there. So next is Vice Mayor Ho. Vice Mayor Ho. Okay. Okay. Okay, so I have the same, I can carry on the same conversation there. I think I do feel like the number 10 is chosen at random. And I know you mentioned number 15, like 15 billboards is what you estimate. But then to Mayor's point, I think we don't want to cannibalize ourselves by giving it a number. We want to line up our action with our goal and again our goal as a council goal may not be the plan planning commission goals or maybe they're not even aware, but our goal is to look into bringing more revenue to our city by doing this. So that may not be the planning commissioners goal. So I totally understand that they're limiting, just looking at the one criteria is maybe they don't want to have a proliferation of the billboards and then that's it. So I totally understand where they're coming from with that. But then again, it's at our council's discretion. So I thank you for that. And also I think that without capping it at number 10, we would just let the market dictate. So the only thing is I can just imagine if, let's say you think it's going to fit 15 and then somebody, if you don't plan in advance, you could stick some like a billboard somewhere and then now you're kind of limiting yourself because it's not spaced, if they're not spaced out. You know, that would be a problem. So you wouldn't be able to get the 15 max that you think you could cap out at. And then from 10 to 15, we'll be dictated by the market. So I know that you mentioned there was a number, I think I read somewhere, $500. Maybe that's for the static billboards, $500 for the fee or the yearly license fee. What is it for the digital? We are talking about the digital. So how much is it for the digital? We are talking about the digital. So how much is it for license? I believe that number came from the item 4.1, the first public hearing. But it would, at this time for the business license tax, electronic billboards and static billboards would be tax the same way in regards to the business license specifically. Yes, but the operating agreement or development agreement that is described in the ordinance presented would be an additional fee on top of that. So the business license tax is basically if there is no operating agreement between us and a billboard operator for a specific sign, They would still need to pay the business license tax. So if we had an operating agreement with an electronic billboard as the current ordinance describes, they would pay both the business license tax and the mitigation fee as well. So those are separate. Is that a one time mitigation fee or is that a yearly annual? Annual. I like that. With very specific details on inflation. Okay. So when we were doing our is a yearly or like how of however often when we look at the fees like when we do the fee study for our city does that include those fees? The does it include the billboard fees as well? And look at every other fees, so we should be. If I could, you're doing an agreement with them where you reach an arrangement that goes on. But that would be the mitigation, right? But then there's a license, I'm talking about the license fee, is it? It is not a part of our biannual, I by annual fee study because it's a tax and it's not actually a part of the city fees Which I think the fees are a way to make the city hole for the services we provide whereas the tax is a Is a different taxes the tax so that's the The key thing I think that you're you're concerned about is that in order to prove the billboard we reach an agreement with them where Usually a percentage yeah on my time now can you stop my time Precision the revenue is shared with the city and that's all negotiated. Yeah, well, I mean because we're putting on our business hat So we are looking at okay, we we want 15, we don't want 10, because we want to make more money. So if so, I just don't hear any dollar signs amount there. So I just wanted to know. But do you, I mean, can you just throw out their number? Like what would be the mitigation fees that we're talking about? Like just a range or an estimate? It really depends. It varies. So without, we're not reporting an actual agreement that's in place, but just conversations are in the range. Yes. I won't hold you to it and I think it's just representative of what we're. Go ahead. You have to have it. So we need to say that number. Back in 2021 on Fenwick Street there was a billboard that was approved by City Council and operating agreement and that was for $160,000 annually. The billboard landscape and market has inflated since then as we look just regionally so we could expect it to be even more now but it would be something that would be looked at on a project by project basis. Okay, thank you. I think the last, you know, without getting into the project or negotiations, the last dollar that you're negotiating amount is what? $250,000 annually is. Cool, thank you. All right, next customer, we're west, you are now Cool. Thank you. All right. Next, I got some member west. You are now recognized. Thank you. Can we go to the last slide with the map? Yes, that's perfect. Thank you. Okay. So with that map, we did look into the billboard option, the electronic billboards off the 405. And I do see in my district there's two right there and two on the top on the 22 freeway. District three, which has about two, four, six, eight that you guys have look at, right? That is qualified areas. That correct? Were the green dots Ryan? I'm not sure exactly where they fall and teach district. Let's describe all these dots in this problem app. I don't have the districts. We don't need the district. So basically on the 405 we have a total of two, four, six, eight, ten, ten areas that off the 405 and beach boulevard from Bozicica to beach boulevard. You guys have low-key those areas, is that correct? Yes, I believe it's 12 on the 405 and three on the 22. Perfect, okay, I do see you here. So I guess we're back to the question number three, that's lie again. The number of billboards city Y. And I think with staff recommendation and commission department recommendation for 10 is if we look at it, back to that map the last page again. There's total of 10, 12, right? 246, 8, 10, 12. Off the four five, especially near on the area that's condensed in those areas right there. Imagine all of that electronic billboards blasting the resident homes in those areas. So I think with your guys recommendation right now from 17 down to 10, I think is very reasonable and considerate to the homeowners in those areas. And also for those who are driving on the freeway at night time. So I think that's very reasonable. Hopefully that will answer the question for the mayor and Mr. Monzo and Kimberly. Now also I have a question on the page number one. I guess the question number one. Do you guys have that? Okay, public hearing. I guess that commissioner, I guess the commissioners, they recommend that we have the public hearings. But then with staff, you guys disagree, not include in draft ordinance. So, I mean, you guys don't want the resident to be notified, is that what it is? I can clarify that, maybe Christian can jump in if I don't hit the target. But there is currently in our Coder requirement for us to notify 500 foot radius for any CUP. CUP's coming different sizes and shapes, right? Regardless of the CUP, we have 500 feet. And what the commission would like us to do is that for this use only, for electronic billboards only, to go to a thousand. And at the recommendation of our city attorney that presided over the planning commission meeting, at the meeting, she expressed a concern that that was not pretty common. It was odd, the terms that she used. And we agree with that because we don't want to bias people that are in the business, we don't want to be biased towards people that are in the business of electronic billboards. We don't want to treat them differently than we would others that are applying for CUPs in the city. And as a government agency, we feel consistency is very important. So that's why we disagreed with the recommendation for the planning commission and would like to remain consistent at 500 feet. Now keep in mind that when the project, when an actual project is submitted to planning, depending on where that 500 foot radius lands, right, let's just take if the edge of that 500 foot radius is the middle of a neighborhood street. And you're at the last house included and let's say vice mayor is the next house included, we're not going to exclude her. We're going to logically extend it to the end of the block just because it's good business and just good government to do that. So we will be expanding it beyond the 500 if needed. We just didn't want the 1000 because that's biasing everybody towards against billboards. Yeah, and if I may add there is already a provision within the municipal code that gives staff the discretion to do exactly what Adolfo just described. So we already have the ability to be able to expand the radius but rather than just calling out one specific land use which could pose some legal liability to the city. We want to just be able to rely on that existing provision within the code that allows us to look at projects on a, you know, case by case basis and expand the public notification radius. All right. All right. This time I just want to keep this slide. Can I have a question? Quick question. Okay. Okay. Regarding to number seven on the slide. City of Brennan. So please explain to me why we require to have our sea logos on that. Because. Yeah, there are very, is that the question, sir? Right. So there are very clear regulations by the Federal Highway Administration about what needs to be placed on an actual billboard, digital billboard. So having said that, a lot of agencies like the city to be branded through these billboard installations. So it's very common for a city shield to be located on it or actually the words of the city located on top. And at this time, we don't have an application for digital billboard and when that application comes to the planning commission, it'll have a concept. And I expect that to be a very candid conversation about what we want them to look. And at the end of the day it'll be the council's discretion as to whether we want a common look for all of these that come into the city or whether we'll allow each operator to bring a different look. But it's not a requirement. It's most cities like it because it identifies the city and provides people an opportunity to do. Okay. One of the problems that I concern is because we don't own the content of the advertisement, right? So the question for you, so when it comes to litigation, are we going to help responsible for that? Well, they have guidelines about that they're subject to. The companies that run the signs, and so they're limited to certain things that they can put on those signs. If we have our name on it, I don't think we're going to be held responsible for it. It is common to have that. If you go up the 57, you'll see City of Positia has signage on theirs that identifies it. But part of their agreement is that they get to advertise city events on there. So it's kind of an identification as people are passing by that that city is right there and People might see some public advertising on their for a city event, let's say or Something else related to the city a certain percentage a small percentage of the sign time might be dedicated to that But this is really a discretionary thing for the council. I don't see liability there Because it's operated by a company and they have guidelines that they have to operate under. Thank you. That's my question. Right. At this time, I just want to note for the council that I am following exactly what is in the other agenda, which we have stopped report and then mayor in city council question for staff. At this time question for staff, we are not a discussion yet. If you have question for staff, then we can continue on that. If not, then I will open up for public comments. I do. Thank you. Ryan and Adolfo, maybe you guys can address this. So with the billboard liability touching on with Mr. Namguang, I think I don't know what is going to be displayed on the billboards if it's some nudity or whatnot. How do you guys monitor that? And because of course we do have kids in our city, and they do drive in the car with their parents. How do you guys monitor that? And if there's lawsuit with our name, Westminster on it or what not? Do you guys monitor what kind of company that we'll put on there on those billboards? Yes, so there's certain restrictions, kind of baseline restrictions from state law that they would have to follow, but we, I believe in the last operating agreement we made for an electronic billboard, we said even more restrictive standards as far as nudity and certain types of products said cannot be displayed. So that would be a part of the development agreement, operating agreement process to make sure that all of the products and services that are being advertised are being vetted and approved to be satisfactory by the city council. Okay. And then I guess the other statement is I know that you said back to my question number one, public hearing. I know that you said we will go with the 500 to keep consistency with our application to all business who are applying for the CUP. But now with the CUP for billboards, it's a little bit different because what I mean by that is this is a digital billboards where it will be bright, right? The brightness, it might affect more than 500 feet radius. It might affect 600, it might 1000. So the thing is that would we assess it by different applicants that are applying for the CUP? Because with this digital billboard, it's completely different than someone applying for something else. That doesn't affect the light and the glare and the brightness. Thank you for asking that question. I appreciate that. So we have a digital billboard along the 405 and it's the Westminster Auto Dealer sign. When you drive along that particular display, you'll find that it is very bright. You'll find that it looks a little bit antiquated as far as the colors and all of that good stuff. As you drive along digital billboards that are the modern ones that we're seeing installed throughout the nation really, it's a high end technology. It's more like an LCD screen. You can't see it from every angle. It actually auto dims. So as the sun sets, it actually dims so that it's not bright as needed. Even with cloudy days, it adjusts brightness. So the current technology is actually a lot less impactful. So the 500 foot radius would get people to the table that are going to be effective. There is no need for the thousand because of the type of display. The technology balances that out very well. Okay. I appreciate you answering that. But I just want us to make sure we factor it in as 12 of those billboards that we have designated on the four or five freeway that we have recognized where we can put the electronic billboards. I just don't want it to be like Las Vegas when you enter Las Vegas, everything is just glaring, right? And it's just might be a concern of those home owners off the four or five freeway area. That's all my concern is. I left a little bit of my answer off, so I will, if I'm allowed to add that. There is a lighting study that will be required for every single submittal. And that lighting study has to be prepared by a third party licensed electrical engineer reviewed by our third party licensed electrical engineer. And there's a standard, right? So the sign would not be able to brighten the area by a certain amount of lumens right so there is a very technical analysis that will be included in the review one brought to the planning commission as part of the CUP. Okay. That's very good. Thank you so much, Duffel. Let me see here. Since those area back to the last map, if you can pull that back up again, which area on here is our city property? Can you briefly let us know which area here of the four or five freeways. So I'm looking at the map here, right? So they're not numbered. So it's going to be a little harder for me to describe. But if you see the football field at the high school. So on that side of the freeway, a little bit going north towards district one. That area right next to the Edwards Bridge is one of those locations. The other location that we're exploring is off of Beach and Edinger. Beach and Edinger, okay. Those are two of our properties, right? Those are the two locations that have been identified by the City Council for us to continue to explore. City operated digital billboards. Are there any on the 22 by chance? There are none on the 22 that are city operated. That are proposed to be city operated. We don't have any land on the 22. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much. And I just want to let you know that we have electrical on board here. So you want to use me. Yes. Just kidding. Okay. Next, I want to go the second round with Vice Mayor Ho. If you have anything to, this is optional. This is the second round already. Go ahead. No, I've been on the planning commission for four years. So I kind of know I've heard a lot of details about these billboards and I know how we, you guys really are planning commissioners. Have to scrutinize every single billboard, placement, location, lighting studies as you mentioned and all that. So, no, I'm good. Thank you. All right. Thank you Councilmember Menzel. Yes. Thank you mayor. I want to piggyback off on councilmember wins comments about the branding I Do kind of see a little bit problematic if it's a requirement so let's say just You know, let's say they all add down the line, they all got approved along the 405. So I mean, to require that each and every single one of those halves are city logo on it. I would see that kind of being a problem, you know, is you're forcing somebody to do that. If it's one thing, if it isn't the agreement and they agree to it and that's fine but to me I would see kind of an issue with that. And the question for item number eight on that for the exceptions, any exception requested would that would have to go through the planning commission with the staff's initial recommendation. Correct? That is correct, yes. So that's not saying that they can't. So by the planning commission wanted to strike that whole entire section of exception, what does that mean? There is no exceptions? So applicants can still under the current zoning code, they can still request a variance in conjunction with their application to request an exception to any of the development standards. So typically what that would entail is submitting an additional application fee to the city, allowing staff to review that concurrently with their conditional use permit application, where there is some challenges is that the variance findings are not really unique and specific to billboard applications, typically variance requests require findings of adverse physical impacts and undo financial burden, or things that are very specific when it comes to variances. And so what we tried to do under staff's initial recommendation for exceptions was we carved out findings that were more unique to billboards. So that if the city wanted to consider an exception to the development standards, that these are things that the city would normally look at as it relates to billboards versus variances, which just generally apply to different types of applications, typically dealing more with the physical development of a site. And if there's an unusual shaped parcel or lot, and things that don't normally apply to billboards. So there is still a process, but staff was recommending doing that through an exceptions process, because that would allow us to tailor that review process more specific to billboards. So the variance would be just a much larger hurdle for them to go through. That's correct, yes. Okay. All right, thank you. Yeah, I followed the Councilmember Mansor and I have the same questions as they, so I wanted to follow up with the following questions. Number one, for approval, we know that staff have approval guidelines. But let's say that the billboard Owners they want to have the message on that do in does it Include in our guidelines that they have to get first approval before They can put it up or they have the right to change it anytime they want to Do they have to go through us? For advertising? Typically no. I understand the reason why you're trying to ask that question is because of the liability that we need to look at. So we would in the operating agreement or development agreement lay out what they cannot advertise, but we, and I should clarify my past statement, that we wouldn't actually approve each advertisement going up, but it would be clear what they aren't allowed to advertise and then they would be able to advertise any products or services that aren't in those restricted items. I want to follow up with that. You said that we will approve every, 30 half right? We will not approve advertisements on it on a case by case basis specifically we will just at the be before the sign is even erected we will go into an agreement to say this specific type of advertisement of this service or this product would not be allowed at any time and they would be able to operate with any advertisements that wouldn't fall under those specific categories. And that's how it's usually, these agreements are usually done. And the city is allowed to ask for say the advertisement deck and they would provide what say was advertised during a certain period. So we could we could vet that to make sure that it's actually being followed. We might need to approve that but you know as they move forward and have the different advertisement. I think it's better if we can change it to let them know that they need to forward. Rather than you know wait for them to come up and then we find out what's up there. If they send us a copy of that, we can take a look at that and see, yeah, it's not a problem. We don't need to go through approval process, but we know exactly what the advice is. So I don't think it's realistic for us to be able to approve anything prior to them displaying it. But we're going to set the rules in the agreement of what they can display. And at any time, if we feel that they're not following the rules and the agreement of what they can display and at any time if we feel that they're not following the rules we can actually have them provide us the advertisements if there is a problem area and then hold them accountable in that manner. Can you go back to the list that 1378? I agree with number one that I disagree that the one thousand feet requirements and the number of billboards we were talking about it the city branding that we talked about it for the exception. I think that you know it will be different every case that we have to encounter and we should have the exception there case that we have to encounter. And we should have the exception there so that we can review and make change if need to. I think that we need to. Here I see that do not allow applicant. That means we shut them down. We are not gonna let them have any choice. Or it will be in our decision to whether to allow it or not a variance or to allow them or not. But at the same time, we have to be open up for them to present their narrow form from their standpoint of view. So that's my question. Do you think that is still? I know you said it neutral here, but I think that is up to. For the number of, I'm just talking about. Is it for the exception section? I think it. Stepping did a great job of explaining it. I think that historically the City of Westmasters done the exercise too much freedom, I believe, in variances, right? Just slapping the word variance and then making an exception. The way that it was written for this particular topic is very specific to billboards. So they do have a right based on what was originally proposed by staff to be able to make that case as part of this topic. Yes, thank you. Does remember when? Yeah, thank you. Can you keep that slide? Number one. I think we should follow state law. If a state law allows no required that we have to notify the house owners in the readers of a thousand feet, then we do that. But then I believe that if we keep it in the readers of 500 feet, it's going to save a lot of money for the applicants. So why, you know, in a city we, we encourage small business to thrive, and then we have more rules and red tapes like this. So I believe that we should limit it the readers within 500 feet. That's number one. Go back to number seven. You know what? Even though we have a slim chance that we going to get into litigation, but why we open door for more trouble to get in. So I personally think that we should eliminate that trouble in the first place. There's no need to force people to display our logo on their ads. So that's what I want to suggest to your council members to consider. To consider. We have a question for the staff. We are not at the discussion yet. So you have a question for staff. No, no, no. I just want to suggest to see the council members. We can wait until the mayor and council member discussion after the public comment. Would you please? Okay. Okay. All right. At this time, I would like to open up for public comments. So I have one more question. Do you want me to go later after the discussion I can do? Yes, you can go over after the public comments. At this time I would like to open for public comments. Is there any speaking request? Yes. Item 4.1 and 4.2. David Johnson, followed by Jacko Long. Thank you for this opportunity, Dave Johnson from Westminster. Okay. Two of the most important things that you could do is reduce blight while increasing our revenue. I'm hoping you're going to look at the equal balance there because when you think in your mind's eye of driving through a California city that has great blight, you see billboards there in that city. Billboards, too many billboards create blight. They're one of the factors. That's why I like what it's just the freeway facing ones. The problem is is five of you, we're at Sequoia today, which is wonderful. I'll talk in thank you for that later. But coincidentally, when we were taking our photo there and I looked over at DDRV, I could see that bright sign. That's not 500 feet away, O'Dolfo. That's like a mile away. It's very bright. Amy, I appreciate you recognizing the map had two dots in area one. Actually, I think you were missing the other two that are down by the Carvana. There's plus two more toward the corner where the 22 meets the 45. There's four in our area. Be careful of line of sight. Amy brought it up and I'm hoping the rest of you will now bring it up after I've mentioned it. When we were talking about the DDRV sign and some others that came up that were next years, a few years ago, they were talking about facing this toward the freeway that's not creating the blight and making sure it doesn't come back at our homes that is creating the blight. Because when we create blight toward our homes we get lesser home value, that's gonna affect your revenue. We will get less anchor stores that want to come to our poll. I mean, how many of us wish that we had better stores and better restaurants sent, right? The anchor stores. When they see and evaluate a city full of blight, they don't want to come. We have to look at that balance there. And although 500 feet might have something to do with looms, I still see it whether the looms are greater in my eyeball or not and it's creating polite. So what we need to do is make sure that when this is facing the freeway, that there's some kind of black side that is facing the homes. Because if this is facing all of our homes and it's in your bedrooms, you're going to wish you hadn't done this. Because we have to look at the big picture of the equation of blight versus revenue. So I'm really hoping that one of you or more than one of you bring up that subject matter again after I'm done talking when it comes to how is this affecting the line of sight in the homes. All right, thank you. Next speaker, Jack O'Lewong, followed by Donald Link. Good evening everyone. I'm a Westminster Small Business Hunter. I oppose item 4.2 for the welfare of the city. I have four talking points and a few questions. Point number one, passing 4.2 will create a of the city. I have four talking points and a few questions. Point number one, passing 4.2 will create a abundance of legal non-to-formity billboards with no path for conformance, negatively affecting sign orders and the landowners where the displays are located. Point two, city could should consider entering every location agreement with existing static freeway billboards to convert their science of digital, revenue shared with the city, in an effort to diversify the city's income stream and strengthen its general fund which supports Go No. 1 of the Westminster Strategic Plan to achieve financial stability. The state pursuant to BPC 5412 states, it is a policy of the state to encourage local entities and display owners to enter into relocation agreements. Local entities are specifically empowered to enter into relocation agreements. On whatever terms are agreeable to this by honor and local entity and to adopt ordinances or resolutions providing for relocation of displays. Point number three, the 200 feet from residents, buffer and the 10 feet setback requirement is excessive. These requirements do not exist in state and federal sign ordinance, nor in the ordinance of several cities located in and around Orange County. The 200 feet requirement is an arbitrary number and not rooted in any lighting study that suggests that should be the minimum. Conversely, sign manufacturers with the use of latest in technology and physical installing louvers on the billboard, can mitigate lighting where it's not intended. Lighting studies can provide evidence that light intensity from the billboard will be well below the city's max lighting intensity standards. Billboard lighting can be controlled to be no brighter than existing city street lights or the lights of the steps inside a movie theater, for example. Point number four, the city should reinstate the previous draft allowing the section eight, which is exceptions to standards without it. Sign orders looking to apply for billboard permit and negotiate a revenue share with the city. Might be facing challenges during the entitlement process because the applicant would have to apply for variance, which is extremely difficult to approve. A few questions. How many locations will become legal nonconforming billboards if the new sign ordinance passes? Two, how many existing digital billboards are there currently in the city? Three, will billboard applications submitted prior to the adoption of a new orange B process according to the existing or proposed ordinance? Question four is it max 10 digital billboard allowance for 10 display faces or 10 structures? Please vote note item 4.2, thank you for your time and consideration. Next speaker, Donald Link, followed by Nguyen Hung. Kidhead. Okay, this is something that Rodney here about 15 years ago. When his son said forward sign was abandoned and By where He had satellite was which was originally a dentist office in the middle of a cardgrabble of art off The science reading in a neighborhood It got turned on after the fact, without a CUP, we had us all up in arms because it was turned on to begin with, from sunset, Florida. It made night into day. And they waited till the townhouses became, they all got sold, and the last guy to come in there. He thought he had to get up and go to work because it became daylight. Anyway, it finally got torn down about 15 years after the CUP was with strong because they're even applied for one. Question for the council or for maybe the planners there. Do you say there's 28 now signs 10 with CUP is the other 18 without? Would you like to answer that question by smare? 18 without? Would you like to answer that question? Could you invite Vice Mayor? Just for point of information. Oh, Vice Mayor. Our Mayor Stepdala. Yes, go ahead. Yes. That is true. 28 billboards total. 10 of them. That's CUPs based on the city's inventory. Count. So 18 without CUP's what's the determination for the 18 without CUP? It's a point where they need to apply for a CUP or they just get grandfathered in. I think we're getting into item 4.1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.1. Yeah. Christian, where do you get a 4.1 at this point? That's four. Yeah, the item was four. That's correct. Okay. Those are different types. But I think you can still address 4.1. If there's something you want to say about it, you just speak to the council. Okay, I'll defer that and wait for it to come. Okay, so the thousand foot thing, now if there wasn't a thousand foot thing, and the circumstances with digital billboards, they're unique to unto themselves. They're not like applying for a roller rink or whatever, a liquor store. Even though we have a lot of liquor stores, seems like they all get approved, right? Thousand feet is not unusual because if you're within a thousand feet of the electronic billboard, you're going to see it. Just like Carvana. And I've got to tell you my son's a director for Carvana. But I didn't even know you could put a, what do you call them? Coal-in-operated, bending machine for cars? That's correct. Way after the fact. Anyway. How about you say that a person at this point can, or a business can erect one if they have a business property at this point. So is there a cooling off period in the meantime for them to do that? Is there going to be a rush to a wreck's signs eight seconds? I don't think we have time to answer that but you just need to let us know, let the council know and make make perhaps when we discuss we could bring it up. Thank you. Thank you very much. Is there a next person? Next speaker is Nguyen Hung and last speaker is Terry Reigns. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. very contrasted victory event. That helped me wonder because the police are right lower, seem unclear, and to avoid misunderstanding, does that ABA be a good, a more, it's the public. It's the public here. It's the public here. I'm sorry, we are talking about the billboard. We're 4.2. Report, please. I wait for none, agenda. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We are talking about the billboard. We're 4.2. Report, please. I wait for none, agenda. Yes. I'm sorry. Please. All right. Thank you. Mr. Mayor may take order of the crown. You don't have to talk bad about other residents. That's really embarrassing. Please, please, quite now. I believe that at this time council member Menzo have some requests. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. There's a person in the audience who spoke on this issue that I need to, now I'm going to choose to recuse myself from this item, because that member made a contribution to my campaign. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you for your recuse for your clarification on that. Okay, next is, I just want to mention again, this is for public hearings item only. So please address to the council with that item. Please. That item please Next last speaker Terry range The second whereas clause on page two of this ordinance states a notice was also posted at the project site again what project site or is this just another sloppy copy and paste error from another ordinance ordinances in that clause as such the city must always carefully proof the content ordinances and other legal documents before bringing them to the city council for adoption specifically the city attorneys office must do a better job of approving to form. Section A on page four of the Ornette States, Electronic Billboards is defined in section 17700. 10 are recognized as a legitimate form of commercial use in the city. The problem is that definition isn't added until page 16 under section 13 of the Ornettes. Generally accepted practice is to place definitions either at the very beginning or the very end of an ordinance. Generally accepted practice is to place definitions either at the very beginning or the very end of an ordinance. In this case, the definition should appear at the very beginning because this ordinance is introducing something completely new to our minutes of a code, electronic billboards. I watched the planning commission hearings. I agree with staff's position on the commission's attempt to codify an increase to the legal noticing requirement in the ordinance. As explained, staff can always choose to expand notifications as they've done in the past, but codifying a completely different noticing requirement versus what is prescribed by state and local law for just one type of land use, electronic billboards would indeed be problematic. While I understand the commission's desire to add mobile home to the ordinance's definition of residential uses, it's not necessary because state law already includes mobile homes in the state's definition of residential uses. The commission removed the allowance for architectural elements to add minimally to the overall height of electronic billboards, and also added that framing is only allowed to the degree necessary for structural support, and I disagree with both amendments. 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This wording is subjective and therefore does not belong in objective design standards for electronic billboards. Finally, the commission removed the entire section that provided for design exceptions because they felt exception should have to go through the variance process. Staff's response implies there's some reluctance on their part, because variances require things that are really not related directly to billboards, but I still believe that it should be as the planning commission stated. I agree with the rest of the planning commissions amendments. I'm excited to see this objective to increase city revenue move forward. Just to electronic billboards are especially bringing at least $120 million over 30 years. I don't call that mitigation fees, I call that income sharing agreements. I have provided hard copies of these comments to you all up on the dius. I hope you've had them, no you didn't have them. And also I have a whole speech for 4.1. I'm not still sure is it continued to the next meeting or is it tabled? And can I speak on it? At this time we are not sure when we are going to have that on again when we have that item Agitonized and you can speak on that That's correct. You'll be re-noticed when when that item comes back. It's not continued to the next meeting So can I speak on it or not now? You can speak on it. So I can. You're half three minutes right? That's what I'm asking. Because I had a separate comment obviously. For the whole comment already. Thank you. Okay, is there any more public comments? I have no more speakers there. Okay, at this time I would like to close the public comment. The next one is going to be Mayor and Council Member Discussions. So I can go ahead and start with Council Member West. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a question that I want to continue that you said I can ask during the time. You can. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So I wanted to ask number one, the first question is staff. I don't know if Ryan or Doful can answer this or who needs to take this. How many location will become legal confirming electronic billboards if the new sign ordinance 4.2 passes today. So I think there is only one electronic billboard along the 405 that is considered a billboard. I think that Dennis Dillon RV sign was brought up, but that's technically an on-premise sign so it wouldn't be considered a billboard because it's not advertising products or services that are off of that site. So there is only to my knowledge one electronic billboard along the freeways in the city. So is that the one that belongs to the city? That's the Westminster auto dealer sign and it doesn't belong to us, but we did approve it with the CUP under the RDA program in the past. Okay, so far that's only one that will be approved. That's in approval right now. Or that is already, yes, that is standing as of right now. And then there's the Fenwick billboard that was approved that is not erected yet but they're going through the building permit process at this time. Is that the one that the council approved recently? That was the previous council. Okay. Okay. So then it will be total of two and the one that we just approved recently, right? Well, when you say the ones that we approved recently, you're referring to the city on city property ones. Yeah. Those, you authorize this to begin a process and we're going to continue to bring you an actual project so that has not been approved yet. Okay, okay, gotcha. Now, how many existing digital billboards are there right now that we know of? In the city of Westminster. Yes, the city of Westminster. The Westminster Auto-Dular signed on the 405. Okay, just one. Okay. Will billboards application submitted prior to this adoption of 4.2 today of the new ordinance process according to the existing proposal? So with the O1 be put over into this one the application from the old application. So I believe are you asking if there's currently an application and what rules are going to apply to it? I guess I'm asking the billboards, the electronic billboards application that was submit prior to this process tonight. If this process approved 4.2 would we take those application and move it into this? No, so- Start all over again. So there's one bill board that Ryan described which is the auto dealers. That's a project that's been approved and entitled and built. Then there's the Fenwick property one which has been entitled and not built already approved. And then there's currently no projects in the queue. Do you want to talk about? Three pending. Three pending. Okay. Yes, the city has three, excuse me, three pending billboard applications that were submitted earlier this year. So those would all be submitted prior to ordinance adoption. And that is something that staff would consult with the city attorney's Office in terms of how exactly this new ordinance would apply. So I would defer to the City Attorney in terms of adding additional details. You have to take those on a case by case basis. You have to have a vested right before otherwise the council will change the ordinance and that's going to be what applies to those applications. So what I would say is I don't know the details of those applications and for now if you approve this it's going to apply to those applications probably. Okay. Okay. That's good to know. Okay. Question the last one. Is the max 10 digital billboards allowance for 10 display faces or 10 structures? Because, you know, I'm talking about that. Yes, that would be structures. Okay. So there could be two faces on each structure. Okay, gotcha. So basically, one of the residents was concerned that they say there's a possibility that one side would be black toward the house, the resident homeowners, and the other will be electric billboards. But it's not the case, right? It's on both sides, that's correct. That's correct, they're two-sided. Let's talk about the ones that are being proposed and not the on-site one that is at the former RV site. The ones that are being proposed are freeway facing. So they're on one structure and they're angled towards the freeway. Okay. There's no backside that faces the home. faces can be adjusted at different angles so that they face for southbound for freeway traffic and for northbound freeway traffic But face towards the freeway not towards the home. So there's no backside. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you God bless me myself with the You you recuse Okay, there's another one. Recuse a customer in the West. Can you state the reason why you recuse yourself? Because I believe maybe one of the person have done it, but I haven't exactly know what months. Okay. Thank you for your transparency on that. But I finished my question. Okay. Thank you. Wow. All right. for your transparency on that. But I finished my question. Okay, thank you. All right, because of our signal. So this is time for discussion among the city council members. So my comment is that of course, the static billboards versus the digital. So we're not talking about static billboards when we're talking about digital. And I think it's a must. Digital billboards, if you come into an area or a city where you see, I believe this is my personal feeling on this, is that it just shows that we're keeping up with the time. And today's technology, I mean, I don't want us to let when people go through our city or another city, they come to us to our city. And if we have all static billboards, that automatically signal to people that the city is not keeping up with the time. So I think that's, it's good for us to do that besides the revenue sharing and all that. And, yeah, so I had mentioned, I guess I'm just going to recap the part about the 10. I don't believe in capping it at 10. I'm not sure if 15 is the max, but I think right now we have to look at the big picture, we're not going to say we cap at any number simply because there's going to be criteria. If I correct me, if I'm wrong, I've gone the application, there's certain things that you've got. The location is going to be that it correct. What are some of the requirements like how do you know this is the right location or the wrong location? I understand that it has to be, you can't be glaring and blasting towards the resident, residential area. But how do you know how far it is from one to the next? So there's a few different regulations. Some by the city and some by the state to start with the state two billboards. If you're talking about static billboards can't be within 500 feet of each other. If you have two electronic billboards that extends to a thousand foot distance that needs to be between them. And that's what's also being considered when we came to the number of 15 of what we're looking at for the potential billboards that could be erected. And that's another thing to contend with is commercial and industrial zoning. A billboard must be located in those specific zoning types. And as you mentioned, residential distance requirements. And there's setback requirements as well that we could go into. But those are just a few of the general ones. So after looking or considering all those criteria, you determine that the number is 15. Or it could be more than 15. Or would it be capped at 15 if we were to capped at 15? Is there, I don't think it's even necessary to even put a cap because if you have the criteria, it's going to automatically capped at 15 or whatever number that is. Right, what's the controlling factor? Yeah, because those are the controlling factor. Thank you. Yeah, so exactly. The 15 was an exercise taken based on the planning commission's feedback. And it was just to say, if with all the standards that we laid out, it would be a maximum of 15 naturally, but not a cap that we are proposing. And then we took that a step further to propose a cap of 10 because we were worried about too many billboards along the corridor. But as stated in the staff notes, the staff is neutral on that direction from planning commission. Okay. Well, I really don't think we, I want to cap it. I think the criteria are, those are pretty tough criteria to satisfy. So automatically, I think it'll be minimum 10 and maximum 15. That's I think is natural. According to all those very tough criteria they have to go by. And then in regards to the putting our brand, city branding, I was thinking, I heard some of those comments. I was thinking, I heard some of those comments and I was thinking, well, I initially thought the same thing you did. And I think that I like the idea that, well, I really don't think that we're legally responsible for things that are the content there being that we have that the criteria for that too You know, so they can't be putting all kinds of content on the billboard So the only thing I look at would be just really quickly is that I think it's a plus It's a benefit for our city put our brand on on the billboard All right. Thank you very much. Next is Councilmember Wynne. Thank you. You know what I'm doing the more we discuss, the more I think that we need more time to study about this proposal from staff. So can I make a motion? No, not yet. Okay. So discussion. I think I need more time on this. Thank you. All right. I just want to follow up with Vice Mayor Hall. I agree with her that we set up with, we set out to have the maximum and I want to thank staff for taking your time to work with the vendors to come up with the guidelines and everything. I know that you have gone through every step to make sure that this is the consideration that the lies, the technical solution. I know that you said that you have the expertise to look into that, the electrical engineer. I know that all these that you set out to do, then you will follow up on that before you actually propose the item and you have gone through with the planning commissioners. You have agreed some plenty of them already. Just a few things that you think that is it needs council decision that's why you said you are at neutral. I appreciate for that. And by at those, I think I already stated why we need to do what we need to do. For example, for the number we shouldn't be cap attend. I agree with the Vice Mayor for the branding. I also agree with her on that too. So at this time here we can go for council action and with that I guess that we will entertain if there's a motion for this. I have to motion to approve item number 4.2. I second that. Can I make a substitute motion? Go ahead, make a substitute, substitute the motion. I would like to bring this one back to discussion in the next city council meeting. Is there a second to the motion? Hearing none, the motion fell. So we have the first motion, the original motion. We will call vote please. Christian, if I may ask a question in the city attorney. So are we just, sorry, is the approval, removing some of the language that's in the resolution? So we want no limit. 500 feet or those. That's just clarify specifically what it is you're wanting to have removed. So you'll go ahead and the motion maker, you want to clarify that? Yeah, so I think we need to be consistent and so we will keep it at 500 feet and is there something else so no limit us to the number right no limit and if those are the two things we need to remove and the city branding city Branding. City branding we can we can leave that. Before we vote on this item I just have a comment. When did we start with this project as you or more than you go when we did we bind a contract with the vendor. I don't I don't I don't, there's two topics, right? So there's the city entered into an agreement with the digital billboard operator and that was December of 2023 and then at the time once we we got direction from council, we then realized that there needed to be worked on on city-wide rules, so that everybody, public, private, every resident, everybody understands what the rules are in the city. And that's what we're here for tonight to talk about the rules. So we're talking about almost a year ago that we have this project going on and you've been working with them. They are out to come up with guidelines and everything until today you propose it to, you brought it to, you have gone through the planning commissioner and bring it up to Council for decision. And then I'm very, I don't know what I say, but I'm very disappointed this time if our council received the support financial support from some of these people in order for us. This project may not go through being that two people two council members are recusing, I don't know. And then if one of us trying to prevent this project going on, then all of your effort going to great. Nothing worth to move forward. And it's just a waste of time, waste of energy, waste of taxpayer money to go through this. What I'm seeing right now, that might happen. So I don't know what else that we have to do. But the potential of this project may not move forward. If we have three people on board. So at this time, we have three people on board. So this time we have the motion and second and four. We'll have the call for vote please. I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Ho seconded by Mayor Nguyen to introduce first reading ordinance entitled the ordinance of the mayor and city council of the city of Westminster, California proving a zoning text amendment case number. Oh, I'm just going to jump in right now. So it's to introduce, refers to reading an ordinance entitled an ordinance of the Mayor and City Council of the City of Westminster, California, approving a zoning text amendment case number 2024-0188, a menu title 17 to the Westminster and municipal code chapter 17.330, signs related to electronic billboard freeway signs, billboard ordinance, and that is as amended to keep the distance at 500 feet, no limit as the number of billboards and leave the recommendation from the Planning Commission related to branding. Thank you. If I could, yeah, you can go ahead. Council member Namquan, was there a reason why you'd like to bring this back. And it more time to study it. What do you have specifically what you want to study? Because I think that we have 7 to 8 hours provided to you to look at this and we have a specific question that I have reasons. I have a reason. So we have a motion to the floor go ahead vote. I'm just asking you if you have the. I have my own reason. Okay. All right. So you. Okay. Look out please. Okay. Count to member one. Absent. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Okay, look up, please. Okay, the council member, who went? Abstain. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. Mayor, who went? Yes. Motion does not pass. All right. It requires three affirmative votes. All right, thank you very much. Moving on. Since this was a public hearing, do you want to maybe someone else entertain continuing the item to the next meeting? Okay. May I ask staff, are you ready to bring this one, the item back for the next meeting? And I'll just remember when. I just want to make sure if the staff bring back next meeting are you ready to so for it or you you two doesn't want it you two don't want it right that's what I propose in the first place no you ask for more time I'm asking you if we bring it back that the next meeting is that enough time for you. I don't want to have staff bring it back next meeting. No, I will set up a meeting with staff to go through every single detail. And then I just want to make sure that I got enough information for the next city council meeting. So next city again we agenda is the item for next city meeting. That's the question from the city attorney. Actually well so I'll jump in our question if you'd like to jump in. Noticing requirements etc. Yeah yeah so that's what I was getting at. If someone, since the substitute motion didn't pass, and then the primary motion didn't pass, I was thinking that maybe the two council members might now agree to the continuit. So if maybe one of them would make a motion to continue it to the next meeting, then we don't have to re-notice it. Otherwise, if we're going to bring this item back, we'd have to go it to the next meeting. We don't have to re-notice it. Otherwise, if we're going to bring the item back, we'd have to go back to the meeting. If it fails, right, you have to bring it back correct, and then you have to re-notice it. We'd have to re-notice it. Okay. So that's the difference. So I'm going to go ahead and just continue. Yeah, I would ask for a continuance for the next if that's okay Councilor Namquan next meeting and then if staff could accommodate him You know give him the time he needs so that he could be prepared, you know be ready next. Yeah, that's fine with me Yeah, we don't want to read another second on the floor Continue this item for the next meeting. I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Ho, seconded by Mayor Wynn to bring back the item next meeting. I will go ahead and call roll. Council member Wynn. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho. Yes. Mayor Wynn. Yes. Motion passes. Thank you. Next item is 5.1. Approved. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. We're still looking for another one over. Oh, she's over there. So we are going with the regular business and 5.1 approval of snack bar concession agreement. Let me show you this. I was there for the last two or three years, probably three years. The first year I was there with the mayor, former mayor, and for the last few years I was there. And I have to recognize the magnificent work from the director of La Vanessa Johnson. So you coordinate this with staff and get it going. Very well, I appreciate for all your work, hard work there. And I don't see any problem of moving forward with proving for the snack bar concession. Second agreement. So I move on the floor. Please call for roll vote. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynn, seconded by Councilmember Montso to approve an agreement between the City of Westminster and District 62 Challenger Division, Little League Free, Subsnack Bar Facility, located at Westminster Park, 1-4-4-0-2 Magnolia Street, and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement. I'll go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Councilmember Monto? Yes. Councilmember Wynn? Vice Mayor Hope? Yes, and Mayor Wynn? Yes. Motion carried. Council member win Vice mayor hope yes and mayor win yes motion carried Rease zero with councilwoman fan list and council member win absent all right. Thank you very much at this time I want to thank you all for coming out and Stay from the beginning to know some of you here, even at the time that we start with the closed session discussion meeting. So I wanted to thank you for taking your time to be out here and express your opinions. I just want to let you know that we consider that, but at the same time for the council standpoint, we will make the decision as the best decision for the whole resident for community. So at this time, I would like to open up for the oral communication with the surrounding non-achenda items. Non-achenda items. Non-achenda item. At this time, you can speak, we have three minutes to speak, but at the same time, you can pick on any item topics that you want to. So why don't you read the instruction into record please. Thank you, Mayor. This is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the City Council regarding any non-agenda items that are within the subject matter jurisdiction. Unless otherwise extended by majority vote of the City Council, comments shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the Council, City Council in person should complete a yellow speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to Council chambers. Submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step up to the podium at that time and state your name. City of residents for the record. Before you call the first speaker, I just want to mention that we, from the city council, we have the policy resolution number 4963, resolution of the mayor and the city council of the city of Westminster and start pushing who's in decorum and severity at city council meeting which required three different section one section one is severity policy. We need to treat everyone cautiously and be open-minded and consideration of viewpoints and allow all members of the public to speak with our intimidation and interruption. Section number two, rules of the quorum for this rule of the quorum, all person attending the city council shall obey any lawful order of the mayor presiding officer, which is me to enforce the rules of the quorum. Our person attending the City Council meetings shall listen cautiously and attentively to our public discussion at the meeting and avoid interrupting members of public addressing the City Council in the City of Fristrals. And members of public shall address the city council regarding items that are within the subject matter and shall refrain from personal attack upon individual council members or if the comments are not within the subject matter. If all fails then we have to enforce the rules of the core and civility policy. And that is, you may ask to leave the City Council after a few warnings. And I don't want to do that. So help me not to come with that decision, because I don't want to do it. And at the same time, please refrain from using any come with that decision because I don't want to do it. And at the same time, please refrain from using any profanity language. As we know that, as you know, I mentioned it over and over again, that we may have students, high school students. And I've been told about it that students are watching our city council so that they can get extra credit and I don't want them to be influenced because of what we are saying here using Puffanity language. So again I would like to ask you to be friend from using any Puffanity language in this meeting. At this time I would like to open up for the first speaker. First speaker is Michael Verangia, followed by Dow Tran. Thank you. Another bunch of our residents were given this eviction notice. They found this in their mailbox. This was put out by a candidate for City Council, Mr. Joseph. No. So as part of that, they had a press conference out front here, which had one of our sitting council members outside there also addressing the Vietnamese community. Obviously, all these are done in Vietnamese, nothing's ever in English. However, what they're doing is they're stoking the fears of residents of these mobile home parks that they're going to be evicted because of development and residents is being built. So they're pushing that out there all in the favor of trying to get this guy elected to this city council He's a traffic commissioner so by putting out these lies all they're doing is supporting a lying Traffic commissioner that works for this city not Not only that, but this guy lied about himself being arrested. That's another form that they had out there for vandalizing the city hall building. We had a city council member stand there videotaping all this and watched while they vandalized the city hall meeting or the city hall building. So is this the kind of people you want on this city council? You've got this liar, Joseph Noe. You've got a sitting council member watching him do this. Doesn't do anything, doesn't stop him, but instead, stands out there in videotapes all the while he should have been in here in a closed session. And this has got to stop. I'm actually amazed that these two council members showed up for closed session today. I expected to see them out there the entire time this press conference was going on. Another thing I would like to thank Mr. Manzo for showing what an ethical council member does when there may be a concern and he recused himself from parts of the two different discussions up here. Ms. Wells had to wait till after the discussion and then recused herself. She should have done that at the very beginning if there was any concern about a conflict of interest. But thank you Council Member Manzo for doing this because this is what ethics means. You be polite, you be professional, and if you have to step out while your fellow council members discuss a topic, then you do so if there's a possible conflict of interest. Thank you very much. Michael Just brief comments and because this related to city eviction notice that also mentioned the city of Westminster in there that's why I have a question for you City attorney Did you say that they put it in the mailbox? Okay, all right They cannot do in the mailbox. Okay. All right. They cannot do that, the, the, the, the, the, the, okay, no, no one, no candidate can put anything in the mailbox. Yeah, am I right about this? No. They reported it in the whole. Yeah, I think that would be something you'd report to law enforcement and postal. All right, Thank you very much. Okay. That's just quick comments the next speaker please I have a brief comment. Thank you so much mr. Mayor right so that resident I just want to address Carlos Monzo was here for asking staff questions so was I I asked mr. Mayor if I can go ask that question, he's saved to delay later. So that's what I did. I follow his protocol, Mr. Mayor, and then once the questions ask, then I excuse myself to leave behind. So I just want to make clarification. Thank you so much. Thank you for the clarification. But when you come back, you should ask me first, instead of going off your five minutes and then you ask that question. You went into the last minute, you asked me that question. This is not acceptable to be honest with you. All right, let's move on. Let's move on to the next one. Next speaker please. Next speaker, Dow Tran, followed by Jimmy Diff fan. Good evening. First of all, I am, I really agree with what Michael just said about this. And this is the reason I'm here. So I think this city council is Have chaos in not for the meeting August 14 excuse me Council member west doesn't pay attention that there's only I know Anytime like this when we talk about this then both of them go. They didn't want to hear us. We'll stop the clock. We need to pause. We don't have three council members. We have to stop. So we'll pause and then you can pick right up when we come back. We'll start your time over. We don't allow these. We need to take a five minute recess. Okay, so we're in recess now. So we're going to be freely, right? Hello. Let's take a break. Let's see. Let's take a break. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. I'm sorry. All right, this time I apologize that we have to take a break there. It was a surprise for me and I think it was a surprise for everyone of us because we don't have the quorum at their time. When I left for the rest of the break, I know that there were three people here. That's why we want to continue with the meeting. But then what happened was when I came out, it surprised me. Anyway, we can start with the meeting right now. We can start continuing with the meeting with the roll call vote please. I mean, roll call please. Thank you Mayor. Mayor Wynn. I'm here. Vice Mayor Ho. I'm here. Councilwoman Fan West. Councilmember Mando. I'm here. Councilmember Wynn. Mayor, you have a quorum. Thank you. I want to continue the recommendation concerning non-achandise item. I apologize that we have to stop you in the middle. We will restart your time for three minutes. Please come to the podium. Miss Dau-Tran. Good evening, young man. First of all, I really agree with Michael, who spoke before me. This is the problem. This is the problem created by Charles Seppneau in the back. He stated his name in the back. So he created this and it and the flood fled the residents' male offices. And the news fled the Vietnamese community. They shook up the community, the seniors, the low income families, the vulnerable residents residents who live in the mobile home parks. As an urbanist people, a senior myself, I understand that the senior people are the most vulnerable people. When they remember in 2017 it at that time voted to change the two mobile homes parks to the how does it go to the missus zone and they scare people at that time. Because the city desire to change those mobile packs to the mix zone, that means some developers throw in right away and away and by that. And then, so that time, we, they sent out in 2017, they sent out the notice to the people in there that ready to move. And then they scare people until after that, they lost the case because the buyer could not prove something. So during the time from 1917 to 2020, so the reason in that they live in the terrible worry about their future. I'm sorry that. I'm sorry that but it is very bad. Thank you. Thank you. Your turn. Very bad form. All right, thank you. So I want to say we need to record these two. Otherwise we cannot do the city's business. Mr. Mayor, can you take hold? Next speaker please. Next speaker, Jimmy Fan. Followed by David Johnson. Three minutes, right? Okay. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Council Mayor, City of Westminster. My name is Jimmy FAM. I'm a Chair of the Traffic Commission. I'm also a candidate for State Assembly District 70. I come today as a Concerned Citizen of Westminster. I've lived in the City of Westminster for the last district 70. I come today as a concerned citizen and Westminster. I've lived in the city of Westminster for the last five years. Okay? What I've seen in council meetings as I watch on TV is a lack of decorum, a lack of civility. Okay? We cannot have council members and people calling each other idiots and stupid. Okay? We cannot get anything done in this city, okay? So I am an immigration attorney. I work during the day. It's hard me to come out here and I've seen in fighting for many, many years and it's caused me to run. I run for city council and I'm running for state assembly because I believe that this needs to change. Okay, in the city of Westminster, we need to work together to get things done. Okay, city of Westminster has a very bright future. Okay, we are the epicenter of the largest Vietnamese population in the world outside of Vietnam. Okay, so people are watching and I understand that. But the bottom line is we have to get things done and we have to get things done. I visited Starview as a Chair, it's traffic commission, okay? And they exchanged over a school with $30 million of general obligation bonds within a couple years, okay? We can do very good things if we can work together and stop fighting and going out into 10 hour meetings. Okay? So I urge the council to work together. I urge the council to be civil public playgrounds for children. This is not a public playground. We need to work together and get things done in this community. So I thank you such from for your time tonight. And I appreciate you guys. Keep working hard. Okay, congratulations, Westminster. Applause. Next speaker, David Johnson, followed by Tina Tapia. So, David Johnson from Westminster, I'm also an elected trustee in the Westminster School District, but I speak on behalf of myself because without prior approval from the rest of the board, I can't speak on behalf of them. But I do want to address Officer DeLong and the City Council Member West, the mayor, City Council Member Monzo, our city manager, our assistant city manager, all of which were at Sequoia Academy today as part of the walk and roll to school. And you showed great support to our children and it's greatly appreciated. In addition to that, there were at least four other staff members, maybe more, that were there, one of which was wearing a con, a traffic cone costume and that was a lot of fun. And you gave out stickers and you shook hands of all these little children. In addition to that, your city, thank you very much city manager your city staff and police officers were at 10 other schools doing the same in addition to that director community services recreation your family resource center was at our program last night at Stacey where middle school school, where we had a parent's symposium, where we teach and encourage parents in how they parent their children and learning great ways to reach their children, help them academically. In addition to that, there were also police officers there, not just our SRO, which our school district helps to fund, but other officer was there as well. So this is what I'm talking about. This is the synergy of working together when we sponsor your events and you come to our events. And we're building up our city and the fact that you spent your private time this morning there, shows that you're putting children on your agenda. I just want to say thank you for that. Thanks. Next speaker Tina Tapia followed by Nguyen Hong. Good evening, my name is Tina Tapia. I have a recording for you. This is Mary W trip because from the farthest, the sky is turning, to the doorstep I went around, trying to get to the doorstep. I'm going to go on a way that's closed. Now I want to go out of the song. The doorstep I tried to get to the doorstep. So I can see a guy on the beach. When they don't go, the way they walk into the dorms, they don't understand. But if I ain't a driver, you're a driver, so I'm the first driver. But if I just stand and trust you, that's our one-three-year searcher, I'm a driver. And now, you're a driver. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to speak now. I'm getting a lot of my I'm getting a lot more I see I'm getting a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I see a lot more I also gave you papers and flyers as well so you guys can literally do it together. And that's what you're doing with my email in-western sign language in my face, along with David Daphne. My picture kidnapped I've met in my kid for almost four years. Now we see what's going on in our nation, the big tax financing of voice and different parties different from the local. What is that? Financial voice, why won't we do this? Why would you want to silence my voice when I have done a lot of sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry May I have a brief comment? Go ahead. Thank you. Tina, I don't know where you're talking about me, silence your voice, but I don't. And I'm listening to you the whole time and your concerns trying to figure out what it's the situation, so how we could help. But we are here to help if you need it. And I'm here, my door's open. If you wanna come in, talk. I would love to hear what you have to say. And I know you mentioned a couple of times that you're, you haven't seen your kids. And that's important to me because I have kids too. So I would love for you to come to my office. I would love to hear your concern and how I could help. Okay. Tina? Next speaker is Nguyen Hung followed by Nat Linh. Tina. Next speaker is Noen Heng followed by Nat Lynn. I don't see him here, he left. Nat Lynn followed by Tony. I have seen and I have learned and I see that Amy Fanquist and Nam Kuan Nguyen have tried to support the project in a way that is a action but it is very important to support the project and to support the project. I was very interested in the high-level research in the mobile home. I was told that I was able to do it. They have been doing this for a long time. They have been doing this for a long time. They have been doing this for a long time. They have been doing this for a long time. They have been doing this for a long time. They have been doing this for a long time. I think that this country has been in the US for years. I think that this country has been in the US for years. I think that this country has born in the United States. This movement is the United States. It is the birth of a child, business. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do it. But I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. But I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. But I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. But I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. But I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. But I'm sure you're going to be able to do it. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is the most important person in the world. I am the one who is not able to accept this action. If the government is concerned about the development of the two groups, why not sit here and sit here and sit with them? And I, in the development of the city, and the first time we've seen this, we've seen the first time we've seen this, we've seen the first time we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we've seen this, we to be able to make a living in a state of emergency. The government will make 10 people in the area of ​​the area of ​​the area In the past, the people who were not so good at it, they had been very good at reading and reading. They didn't read the teachings of Buddha, but read the teachings of the people of Buddha, Westminster. They had to follow the path of the faith, but the people of the world had been in the US for years. I am the leader of this country, the city of East Asia. I am very impressed by this. I think that the two leaders have been in the city of East Asia. I am sure that the government will be able to make a decision if a country of East Asia is the most important country in this country. I just saw in the bed what she said that she really criticized Amy and Namco-Anne. I'm talking to the chair, to his chair. He's not here. He doesn't want to hear me. So what that they shook up the fear from the seniors, from the vulnerable people, that they will be kicked out some day, their home will be demolished. And I know that it's a fake news because on September 11th, you don't even talk anything about the mobile home. And Namkwan, he didn't go to that meeting, but he go to his trust media network. Trust media. She called trust media, not trust. Yeah. And he spread out the bad news about... He's a member, he's a council member. And he spread out the fake news about his counsel, his counsel. So what do you think about that? He doesn't deserve to sit here. That's what she said. So you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, may I say a quick comment please? Can you wait until the end and we can part by that? Not a problem, thank you. I will wait until the end too. Okay. Next speaker is Tony. Yes. Next speaker is Tony. speak. David Mies. Amy. Amy, Nam Guang, Laan, Vichor, Neu, Khongmau, Vichor, Neu, Vichor, Neu, Vichor, Neu, Vichor, Neu, Vichor, Neu, Vichor, Neu, Vichor, Neu, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, Nga, I mean, man, wrong, liar. You guys get out of here right now. We will be called I mean, man, wrong, right now. We call, man, wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm not going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going to go now. I'm going sure if it's possible. Okay. The people who are in the army, the people who are in the army, they don't have to do anything. You're the only one who has the power to do this. You're the only one who doesn't have the going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. I think I'm going to come back. Vong, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, I see open your mouth. She always talk about God. God. Huh? Huh? No good? God, do not accept that. Okay. I know. Okay. I will pray for you from right now. You will be a good person, a non-quantil. Okay. person, a number and two. Oh, good. You have time for stuff. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Next speaker is Hugh Donetto, followed by Gigi. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. And I'm sorry to interrupt you. And I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I've heard that this is not true. I can't believe it. A human being is a human being. If you move your body, you can think of a human being to be a human being. You can think of it. The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. I don't want to say this every time I say this, but I want to say that two people, me and Nam Kuan, they are the main ones. I don't want to hear from you. I don't want to hear from you. Why? I want to say this, I know this, I want to go to the gym. I want to think about Nam Kuan, Dua, I want to think about it. I think the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of the year, the year of with each other. They are the ones who are in love with each other. They are the ones who are in love with each other. They know that they are the ones who are in love with each other. They know that they are the ones who are in love with each other. They are the ones who are in love with each other. They are the ones who are in love with each other. They have to live like this. They have to myself like this. Today I'm here. I said to you that you're a man and a woman, that doesn't have any power. Every woman has power, but there's no power to make people I think this is too much for me and the nature of the East. Nam Kuan and Emi. and the people who are not in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the right mood to be in the I can't imagine Council members in the I'm Quanten Amy in a candidate for a Council seat went on YouTube spreading unfound rumors about a viction of mobile home residents that would hurt those who are residing in the mobile homes. You know their elders and or disabled residents and or family who are struggling to make ends meet. Do you guys even take these people's feelings and anguish into consideration? Do you even understand what your action did to these poor people and for what purpose? Just to hurt the mayor, the vice mayor, and council member Manzo's reputation in the hopes of getting a few more votes, how cruel and disgusting of your actions. Namquan and Amy, stop your unethical behaviors and act like a responsible citizen. Don't preach to the choir about responsibility where you've been acting childish and unacceptable action during council meetings. Not attending closed session meetings, getting on and off the dyes whenever you want. Don't care what happens to the city. You don't even take the time to attend the City Festival opening ceremony. Council members, Nampquan and Amy, what other damages do you want to cause our city? You are so disgusting and you are not fooling everyone. We know you're true colors. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. May I say something? Can you go into the end? I just, I might just real quick because this is really bothering me. Okay. I just want to tell everybody and hopefully the folks watching at home that I'm sorry that you're going through this. I know how emotional and distra you are. I just can't see anything more evil than to play with the emotions of the most vulnerable citizens, citizens who English is their second language and they're very don't really understand how laws work. I can't stand these vile people continuing to abuse our residents here in Westminster. That is the law, the law can be. How dare any of these people even call themselves a human being, little one of a Christian or anything similar to that, I just cannot understand these. Thank you, Professor Mehlens. Okay, next. Next. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. To the fact that the young people in the army and the NAMGWAN have been in the process of the training, especially to the police, to the people in the back. But they have been in the process of the training of the NAMGWAN. They have been able to help the people in the training of the NAMGWAN. The and the government's efforts to maintain the status of the government, and to maintain the status of the government. The government has not yet been able to achieve this goal. The government has already achieved a different goal. Every week, two governments have been able to achieve different goals in the future, and the government has been able to achieve a different goal. The government has already able to make a decision on the issue of the government. The government has been able to make a decision on the issue of the government. The government has been able to make a decision on the issue of the government. The government has been able to make a decision on the issue of the government. The government has been able to make a decision on the issue of the government. The government has been able to make a decision on the issue of the government. I am sick and tired of seeing Council members Amy and Namquan skip important meetings especially about agenda items they proposed. It took staff time cost city resources and it was a waste of time for everyone. People can see councilmember Namquan out in front of city hall recording silly business. How can our city continue to function this way with two council members purposely disrupting the city and disrespecting the mayor and other city council members. Councilmember Namquan is not even here and councilmember Amy tried to be another YouTuber. Every week these two councilmembers come up with different allegations against the mayor, the vice mayor and Councilmember Monzo and create clown shows. Amy and Namquan are acting irresponsibly and don't care what happens to our city. It's so unfortunate that we have such disgrace councilmembers that are so damaging to our city and our community. Amy and Namquan need to grow up and stop being an embarrassment to the Vietnamese community. Thank you. Next speaker, Nathan Wynn, followed by Jason Dome. I have a name. Is that Nathan? Jason Dough. Jason Dough. Jason Dough. Jason Dough. Jason Dough. Jason Dough. Jason Dough. Jason Doe. I live in the city of Westminster and I have a daughter gender items which I want to share with you. I just got back from Vietnam. I traveled there for three weeks and I had a great time there in terms of understanding about our history and I'm very happy to share with everybody here and I know that I've been here before I mentioned about you know the North and the South cold war that we went through and we became refugees and I witnessed in front of you that for the safety of my return back to Vietnam and I have went to a lot of historical places and I found revelation that truly connected what I live in the United States since 1980. So we left it now in 1979 and it was very American during that time. Now we become more diversified. But for the current issues right now, I want to share with you. Currently there's still problem with the Philippines see the South East Asia Sea. So right now, China is still harassing the, you know, the Philippines over the, the spill of the island. So we don't know who exactly the problem, but apparently the Philippines was standing the pressure from China. And also, I just left from Vietnam last weekend, there were 10 fishermen. 10 Vietnamese fishermen were, you know, capture and, you know, punished by the Chinese unjustified least. So I demand that the Chinese government be held responsible. They have to pay compensation for the fishermen. I know they're trying to intimidate, but we're going to work out our difference. This is mainly because the United States, the Spanish American and Donald Trump and also J.D. Vance, the GOP, enabling a bedding behind the scene for the Chinese to allow this kind of happen, so that you can have geopolitical leverage. So that need to be stopped. So I suggest that both the Hanoi government and the Philippine government be fup there for showing the region. Because right now they are trying to pressure Hanoi in not doing what they want to do. So they just stay out and let them play it out. Okay, also all the major powers, the US, China, Korea, and Australia, we don't need to get warships into the region, just to show to the world that, we are competing for geopolitical leverage. The whole region of the Southeast Asian people there, they are known how to get along and they know what to do. It's just a show of force that doesn't add up anything. Korean, Japan, don't have to, you know, fatter, you know, the West in nation to cause problem. You're talking about yourself. You're talking about yourself. Your time is up. Yes, I know. No more, no more please. No more, thank you. I just want to let you know what you say speaking is not in our jurisdiction. But I'd be polite to let you go this time. Next time if you continue to talk about nothing related to our jurisdiction, I will have to stop you. Even though oral communication is open up for any topics, but it has to relate it to our jurisdiction. So at this time, I would like to. City Attorney, I thought this is the public pass. I already I already consult with the with the I mean with the city attorney. So I know exactly what I'm doing. You are done. Thank you very much. Next speaker please. Next speaker please. Next speaker please. Next. No. Next. Wait until the left. No. Please. I ask you to go back to your seat please. I ask you to go back to your seat please. Okay. Hold on. I ask you to go back to your seat. This is your first warning if you don't follow it. You are not recognized at this time, please. You go back to your seat, please. No, I'm not anger at you because I'm being polite with you. I'm just letting you know that, yes. Okay, thank you. All right. Thank you. It's my job that what I have to do. Okay, so understand, it's open up again. I want to remind everyone. It's non-achandized item item but it has to relate it to our jurisdiction. I have talked to I have consulted with the city attorney am I right about it? Why don't you speak please please sit down. Sit down, sir. Yeah. It's supposed to be within the subject manager's Tiction of the Council. So something that relates to. So, so, go ahead. Go ahead. You go ahead. Sir, you need to stop talking that you're disrupting the meeting. This is the second warning to you, Mr. Don. Okay, if you continue to have this, we will have to remove you from the meeting. Thank you. Go ahead. I can sort of with you before I actually speak about it, right? I think we answered it. Because I would. City Attorney. Your mic. I just want to ask the legal of ice. This is during public comment for non agenda item. The public have the right to speak about any grievances. Is that correct on non agenda item? Sure, grievances that relate to the city, yes, sure. Absolutely. This is Westminster, predominantly refugee Vietnamese, and he just came back from Vietnam. It affects all of us. All of us do travel back to Vietnam. Not the American, the Vietnamese people, 45% of the population here are West, are Vietnamese refugee, city attorney. So what he talked about, may I ask you? What he talked about tonight? Is it related? Sit down please. Sit down please. Jason, I ask you please sit down please. Please. Please sit down no more. You are not recognized at this time. The city attorney already answered. I'm sorry. Please sit down. No more. You are not recognized at this time. The city attorney already answered. He was here listening to the public comment. He has said that it's not in our show Reduction. So we need to, no, not yet. At this time here, you are not recognized. We want to continue with our meeting. Go ahead, call the next speaker please. Hi, City Attorney. Can you please trustee Gina Clayton Tarvin, followed by John and Rosani? Please answer my question. Gina Clayton? City Attorney, can you hold on? City Attorney, can you please answer my legal question? Excuse me. No, please. Your hand. Thank you, Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Go, please. You have to be here. Mayor has disruption in the chamber. One more time. I've been wanting you more than three times already. Okay. This time, this is the last one to you. Please. Okay, thank you, thank you. You can start. Thank you, Mayor. You have a tough job here this evening because you have an unruly chamber. I'm Gina Clayton-Tarvan. I'm the clerk of the Board of Trustees of the Ocean View School District, which does represent Westminster. I'm the five time president of the Board of Trustees. I'm an experienced chair. I'm an experienced person that understands Roberts rules of order. You have a really tough job, Mayor. I do want to say, though, that anyone can come and speak in public comments during unagent eyes comments. I do not agree with Amy Fam West at all. I do not appreciate what she does to residents and Westminster, but I do want to say, Mr. City Attorney, you're actually incorrect. And somebody that wants to come here and speak and say something about something that's out of the subject jurisdiction of Westminster can do that. This is the United States of America, and we have free speech rights. And I definitely don't agree with her. But this is America, and we have to follow our constitution first and foremost. I want to thank you, though, because you have a tough job, and you can, eject people from this chamber for disrupting your meeting. Mr. Mayor, thank you so much for what you're doing. Thank you to all of you. I'm here because I want to tell you about wonderful things in Westminster. I want to tell you about some of the good things that go on in this city, not just dysfunction. We have two schools in the city of Westminster. I represent the residents of Westminster. We have a Westmont and we have Starview. And those are two wonderful schools that we have modernized and spent close to $60 million doing that. Our first modernized school was in Westminster. I chose Westminster to have our first modernized school instead of in Huntington Beach where we run 10 schools. That's because I appreciate the citizens of Westminster. I appreciate the Vietnamese community who are wonderful patriots, some of the most patriotic people in this country. And I appreciate them and sending their children to our schools. I want to thank you, Council Member Monzo, because you have a wonderful traffic commissioner, the chair, Jimmy Fan. Thank you for appointing him. He is such a wonderful resident and a spokesperson, not only for Westminster, but for the entire Ocean View School District. And I encourage anybody who's listening, anybody out there in Assembly District 70, which includes many cities including those that I represent. Huntington Beach, Westminster, Midway City, and Fountain Valley to vote for Jimmy Fan. This November 5th for AD Assembly District 70 to make some change and bring home tax dollars that we pay into the California coffers to come home to this district. Because Treetah has not done that and we need a real representative. Lastly, I want to say I am up for reelection. This would be my fourth term if I do get elected. And I appreciate all of the residents of Westminster You can't can't can't can't you can't you cannot can't you can't come here? You can't come here. Well, this is free speech and I can say what I want. Yes, I can't and you're not gonna violate my first amendment rights. Thank you Thank you Christian Next speaker is John and Grz, followed by Tammy Hemel. Thank you for coming, Johnny. And Gina. Connie. Thank you. You can start. You can start. Okay. First of all, I'd like to talk about Amy Fan West. Amy? I don't believe it's your job to do that. So would you please get back to the other side? Thank you for all the work you do in our district. You're welcome. Go ahead. Yeah, twice a month we're here all about the bad things you do here, because the same people. But you do have 22,000 residents and they don't all agree with the people behind me. So I came here to basically respond to somebody that said something about me a couple weeks ago, but beforehand, you had an incident at the end of August and nobody seemed to care. I came back and showed photographs. Nobody seemed to care. So I did a little investigation my own and found out that this person seems to have a habit of being out of control inside the chambers. And also found that the cities is aware of it. It's been discussed, I think at the November of 2023 meeting. And this is the chief of police speaking at the podium. Well, you know, somebody's using their middle finger to hold the sign. And it seems like, nobody seems to give it down about that. But anyway, there was a couple of weeks ago, somebody spoke about being intimidated after a meeting in the prior meeting, which is kind of odd because they were talking about me. There wasn't a whole lot of people in the chambers. And I hear somebody talking trash behind me. I turn around and I don't know, the person was six, eight feet away. All said and she goes off on me because I'm staring at somebody who's who's a little out of control. Can you give us their name? What was that? Can you give us their names? No, I'm not going to talk about their name, but it's just odd that they said I was intimidating him. When I turned around to see who the hell is talking trash, all of a sudden she goes off on me. It's nuts. So the only thing, it's hard to come to any other conclusion than to feel that this person needs some help. There's some anger issues. And the same thing with this person. Mike. Mike. Mike. Is that acceptable to me? Your time is up. Yeah, is that acceptable? Your time is up. Yeah, is that acceptable? Your time is up, thank you. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Please, please, please, please. Next speaker, please. Next speaker, Tammy Hamel, followed by Donald Link. Wow. Tammy Hamill, Westminster resident district one with a very unfortunate so-called representative. Wow. The fact that you just asked for a resident's name shows that you did. You said can you give a name? Don't have the stupid look. I mean, I know it's your normal look, but it's a little more stupid right now. I'm sorry. Are you guilty? I'm not talking about you. I said a resident's name. Let's not get into it back at least. Yes. Yeah, how about some decorum Amy? That you always call for. You're awful. And you know you're awful. You're you and him are purposely doing this. You're creating chaos. You're trying to intimidate residents from coming with someone coming up here and talking crap because you know you can't do it now because you probably have been called out for it. You're recording people. You're talking into it. Are you reading comments while your your phone is up there which is why you don't know what's going on because you have to ask so many questions that have already been answered Because you're so busy reading the comments on whatever video you have going and we're paying you for this Should be docking your pay and his I don't even know when he left But he's been gone for a good hour at least he needs he needs to be censored he needs to be next purposely obstructing city business he's out doing Press conferences when he should be at closed sessions. They're making you not be able to do closed sessions because they leave and someone has to recuse themselves and you can't even have it. He needs to be centered next for his actions and his words. He's just as bad. The most current one was, she didn't recuse herself for the RV ordinance, was she's personally connected to. But then all of a sudden realized she needed to recuse herself because maybe some took Carlos's idea because she copies everything, just no original thoughts in her head. That, oh, I might have a donor maybe, and then all of a sudden he tanks the whole billboard thing. So like you said, all of that work, that everyone did, they just completely crapped on, because they've got their own personal agenda. I did want to thank you. This meeting has been pretty smooth. I like how you're doing it. I know she's trying to discredit you, and trying to make it look like you can't handle a meeting. Because that's all they've got. They've got attacks, lies, defamation. That's it. Oh my God. I also wanted to address quickly. Her calling Kimberly, a hoe. I just want just for clarification for the defamation lawsuit, are you literally calling a fellow council member a prostitute? Because that's what you did. He called people losers and races. You've called us call me petto, stalkers, all kinds of things that you have bigger balls in the mayor. Now you're calling a fellow council member a prostitute. I'd like it on record to for you to verify that that's what you're calling her because that's what you did at the last meeting. What's her last name? What's her last name? His council member. Oh, yeah, tell it to a judge You try it Next speaker Donald Link followed by our last speaker Terry rings speaker, Terry Reigns. You know I was going to start out with something different. But oh. This is despicable and reprehensible. It's just to do this to old people that are in the trailer parks and stuff, scaring them, like they're going to be put out on the street. I have it a good, this is a violation of 18 U.S. 1725 of the private success center, which is a federal crime for the post of service. Now if we can find photographic evidence of who did this, maybe I might talk to the mailman for these trailer homes to find out if someone has seen it or talked to them. The other thing too, it could be, since this is a federal election, could be a violation of a fraudulent interference with a federal election. Every time you did this or whoever did this, they said the guy outside was that being interviewed, I don't remember his name, is responsible for this and they took ownership of it. Okay, well, yeah, okay, well that's who. Anyway, I digress. I'm going to go with what I was going to start out with, where well, she's not here. So she disrespects her and the Q man. They disrespect the people that they don't know. She's out there talking to John. So it's out there talking to John that's it so continue I don't care I can talk about them. Yeah, please go ahead. Okay, so I lost 22 seconds. Okay anyway Can I buy one? I will let you have 20 anyway They're not here. So they're disrespecting the people that are that are their constituents and they say that they're that their constituents aren't being represented. They're not being represented by them when they're not here. You know, on the dius when public comments are being given, they're not here. They were here today. This is the most decorum I've seen since I've been coming to this meeting. Thank you for that. She said a couple of meetings ago that NAMKWAN wasn't your puppy. Well I think she's here I bought a leash in a collar for him. I think she's a her puppy. And then maybe he needs some obedience training to stay. And if he does and we take him down to w, and I'll pick him up on Fridays and adopt him and take him for a walk. So he won't feel all alone. The other thing, too, is, it's got 60 seconds. I got one of these. Thanks for using it. Use it a little bit more. When this happens, when the question is called for, and someone says, well, I like to say a little bit more. Well, it's too late for that. It's not a order. No! Where did you find that? That's better than this one. Good. Climbing the head. All right. Can I try you for that? So, next speaker, please. So, when you hear us, I want to say a little more. Our final speaker is Terry Reigns. I don't even know what's going on. Now nothing could be further from the truth. But I will say I attended part of the live while the slanderous defamation press conference outside regarding the eviction notice that was given to those mobile home park people. How dare you Amy Fanwess and Namquan win take advantage of the most vulnerable scared people in our community with false lies, false claims. They have no idea what actually happened at September 11th, Christine Gordon informed the city council members via an email, exactly what she had been made aware of this thing happening and clarified that it was false. And yet, even after that, both Amy and Namquan were out there at the press conference, pointing to the big board of this and proudly saying that they were behind with Joseph No, the distribution of this. I spoke to a resident and one of those mobile home parks today is a Vietnamese man. He had already tried to call Charlie and Kimberly as well. His name is Henry. He said his was not in his mailbox but that others were. I've also put out a conversation with the park management company and this is going to be pursued for violation of federal law if we can get the surveillance footage. If it's tied to a candidate or a council member or any of their, how you call it, walking people for their campaign. That's it. This is illegal activity. It is defamatory against not only Charlie, Carlos and Kimberly, but our city manager, our city staff. We won't stand for this anymore. These are illegal things that are being done by candidates and or city council members, and it's got to stop. I don't know if you've read the attorney letter from Joseph Knows attorney about his false arrest and all that, that was all outside on the big board as well. I have tons of photographs and videos that I will send to the city manager and the city attorney and actually more importantly the police. Because they went against our police department, they made all sorts of slanderous allegations against our men and women in blue. And I won't tolerate that at all from any council member or any candidate for council. More importantly, you know, any call and vice mayor of hoed what you actually said was well you have the right last name because you are hoed and then you said it four times you are hoed you are a hoed but everybody's talking over you so you get with it louder you're a ho. I have never you can't let this happen your Your city attorney didn't do any favors with that minute order, but we're going to get higher legal advice, good legal advice for a lot of these things, and we're going to address this stuff outside of this city attorney because he's not doing his job to help you to run these meetings and do what you need to do to keep order amongst your council members. And again, violation of law, sending out this notice defamed our city and our staff. And it must stop. You will be arrested and locked up. Applause. Mayor, we have no further speakers. All right, again, one of the thank you all for thinking your time out here tonight. And then express your opinions. This is the time for the council to discuss and speak on their behalf. And so I'd like for you to respect them as well as to Council Member Wrest. This time I recognize you for your brief comments on the public comments. It's my mic on. Okay. So I guess I want to make a brief comment to Tammy first Since there's a couple of them so Tammy you say I'm sending people to Calling people crap. I don't know but every week is the same people who talk bad about you know me and Residents here, so I don't know what you're talking about. And then the other thing is Carlos, when you play the cards of poor people, vulnerable people, of course, that's why I brought it up on September 11th. So I encourage all of you guys go now, go Gigi and all of you guys to watch the council meeting on September 11, 2024 to look at what I'm doing and fighting for you guys, the people who voted to allow this to move forward without your input. I asked to have the people's input, the resident and home owner input first before you redevelop or rezone those areas. But the Councillor here, Monzo, Kimberly and Mr. Mayor decide to move the planning redevelopment forward without letting you guys have a voice. So therefore I will continue to fight so you guys misunderstand but I ask you guys, I encourage you guys to watch the council meeting again on September 11th and see how I fought for you guys. So that's that. And then for the poor people, may I finish my comments? Please, please, please, please, let's let the nut house be free now. Please, please, please. I'm addressing each person that I wrote notes down. Okay, so the other thing is Mr. Monzer, you are the person that voted and not care to have the voice or protection of those residents in the mobile home. We at least- Obviously you understand what's going to be it for obvious reasons. You understand the item. You understand it for it. That's on your record. I have- You understand the item. Okay, and look at the council meeting on September 11th and you guys will know. All right. Thank you. I'm okay with redevelopment in our city and moving our city forward but the people have the right to have a voice for an input. That's all I'm asking. It's for the council. Yes. You can put it from that. And homeowner to have an input first and a voice. And then explaining how would this work, if this move forward, what about the protection of the resident and home owners? That's I'm saying. Okay, so I guess I'll just thank you very much. Thank you. And now it's I believe that Council Member Menzel also have. Yeah, I wish people would take some time to learn what we're talking about. It's nothing's happened yet. It's being studied and for your information talk to staff, no mobile home, Apen was even mentioned, talked about they ever being re-zoned. So it's all you do. Are you do? Are you do? It's just like- Look at the map. Are you do is lie you do? It's just like, are you do is lie? You obviously did not. They've been doing this in Westminster for years. They have. Custom member West, when you're speaking, I stop him. OK? I said wait for your turn. So now I ask you the same thing. Please let him finish his comments. Yes. And I'm sorry that the people at these mobile home parks are going through this again. These people who do this to them are vile human beings. They care nothing about those folks. Those folks are like a said earlier, typically English second language speaking, they don't understand how laws work and these evil people keep lying to them and they've been doing this to these community members for years and years and these people don't care, they think just because they go to church that they make some a good person but it does and it's about your actions and what you do, not what you say. These people don't care. You want to lie about me, you want to say, that's fine come after me, but don't use vulnerable people and scare them into coming and believing in your lies. And so these folks, we read a bit of our community. This is what's going to be keeping our community down. We need to stop voting for these people and stop believing these people. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Bianne Words. I can tell you that I'm just shocked. It's really very low of them to pray on the people who don't speak English and to play on their fears. So we know and as a city council member from back in 2016-17, I fought very hard for the particular mobile home park that was, they had proposed to close and convert that into, I guess that would have been, I mean if I didn't protect and we as a council at the time didn't protect them, then of course there would have been a whole conversion into residential, what's that called, construction. But anyway, so I think it's really a low blow and I'm just beyond words and I'm just thinking that certain people call themselves, you know, Christian and hallelujah and God, this and God that, but then they go around and they do this. And just because they want to have an ally, they want to promote one of their peers or one of their people to be on the council. So I'm really hoping that everybody could help, excuse me, if you could all help, if you could all help spread the word and explain to people what these folks are doing, please. Thank you very much, that's all I have to say. All right. Now, I'm going to have any comments. Thank you very much. I was going to make a comment. It's my turn. OK, go ahead. Well, let's have Mr. Mayor to want to vote. Even you go ahead. Go ahead. Mr. Mayor is almost 10 o'clock. Shall we vote soon? I will do that. Go ahead and make some your comments. It's going to be over. So how many minutes that we have? Well, it's just a bit comment. Go ahead and I will give you the same amount of time that they have. Let me make it clear. Mr. Namquan, are there Mr. Mayor? We only have four minutes. Do you mind if we vote before Mr. Namquan speaks? I don't mind. Because we're going to go over. If you want to go for vote, and then I'm okay with it. Could you just let him run the- I move to continue this meeting beyond the general meeting. Is there a second to that? I second it. Okay. Let's take a vote. Motion made by Mayor Wynn, seconded by Councilwoman Fan West to extend the meeting past 10 o'clock. I'll go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West yes. Councilwoman Fan West. Famous yes. Councilmember Mando. I'll make a substitute motion to go to 10.30 only. We're in the motion. We're in the motion. Well they know. Okay, no. We're in the middle of the motion. Councilmember Wynn. Okay, no. Where in the middle of the motion? Council member Wynn? Yes. Vice Mayor Ho? No. Mayor Wynn. Yes. Motion carried 3-0. Okay. I believe that we probably run into it. I don't think that we have that much to go on. So your comments. Thank you. All right, let me make it clear that the intention of a councilwoman from West and I, we just want to make it clear to the residents, the people that live in the mobile home parks that we want to hear from them. We give them a chance. You know, to talk to us, we want the city to do the job that we go out there, do the survey, asking people for their feedbacks. That's all we ask for. That's all we ask for, right Amy? That's the reason that I want to bring it back for discussion. That's all. All right, okay, Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I will respond to that. Are you done? When you guys get back to you guys can feel really sorry that you've been missing. It's my turn right now, please. My turn. You said this is a survey. A survey with questions, a survey with asking for the information. This is not a survey. This is accusation that you put out. That is Joseph. So don't even go back to that. Why are you using NAMQA? Let me show, sir. Please, please. OK? Listen to me, please. So, we sign the flyers that they put out on the mailbox of the residents and distribute that out to the mobile homes. They actually, Namguan N, Chusepnamo actually go on his channel and talk about this for hours. Okay? That's it's not acceptable. These are these are accusation and I don't know if they let's number one wasn't there on that day to talk about the item see what he wasn't here and I don't know that you understand what the item about. Let me go ahead and understand. You're in the water. Let me go ahead and ask a few questions for our staff. But I know that this is overwhelming the Vietnamese community. And they are worried about it. They actually call Lingdong because if you look at the flyers, it has all the number for all three of us, which is Lingdong number. And number of them, car, are held for that. And when that happened, I think CD managers also sent out the notification to the council. I don't and at this time I would like to ask if City Manager can you read that for us please. Let me just jump in real quickly just because it's not in the agenda all we're doing right now is each council member is making a brief comment. That's correct. So if we're going to have just and she can make her statement but if you're going to have a bigger discussion you should walk the item on to the agenda because it's an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. Okay, well I'm asking for a question here. Do you want to walk in this item, Mr. Mayor? No, I don't want to walk on this item. But I want to go ahead and ask people comments from City Manager. You're asking me to read the email I sent you. Go ahead and just summarize briefly of what you sent out. I think I'd rather just read it at this point. That way there's no misinterpretation of anything that I've said. As we know that a lot of this gets posted on social media. Give me a second. And if I could, I will have a question for Darfur and I would like for you, Mr. Mou, a check-in to interpret that in Vietnamese too. We are not going to be playing to the discussion but I want to brief answer from both of you. Isn't this like a public service announcement as we run the deal. So this email is dated October 7, 745. Just briefly, so that. I'm not going to summarize it. I'm just going to read it for you. Very long email. It's. Okay. All right. Okay. I will say it. Basically that the email out to the council that this is allegation. I mean, this is accusation. This is not true. This is allegation. I mean, this is accusation. This is not true. This is false information. Basically, that's it. And we all know about it. And now, I know why C said that. Because the meeting was not about approving or adopting any resolution. It just, let me ask you. So on September 11th, what were the decision made? Mayor? I would be the subject matter expert, so if you could ask me, and then I think you're asking Jake to interpret. Yes, so you can start. Can you tell me what was the decision on that night. What's up, everybody? For that particular item. So on that night, we brought forth an economic development assessment of opportunity zones in the city. And we focused on sites that could be potentially developed. We've- Can you turn on the mic? Okay. So on that night, we presented an economic development assessment of opportunity sites in the city. We did not focus on a mobile home park as an opportunity site at all. I will follow up with that. That's a lie. We have a follow-up. Okay, so the map that you have on here, let me read it. Please, please. I believe in the whole mix use. Please, please. I believe in the whole mix use. Please, please. I believe in the whole mix use. Please, please. I believe in the whole mix here. Please, please. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. I believe the whole mix use. You don't want to ask, do the mobile part. Right. Christian. You need to. Christian, I'm not providing misinformation, that statement's been made. I'm not providing misinformation, I just want to make that statement public. The issue has to do with mixed use districts. Okay. Mixed use districts were approved in 2016 by another council. No one on this council approved mixed use districts on mobile home parks. That was done in 2016. That's a public document. It's been sitting on our city website since 2016. It's accessible to everyone. In that policy document is a land use map. This is policy and it identifies these mixed use districts and these mixed use districts are over some mobile homes. But this wasn't a decision that this council made and it was not a discussion on the 11th. The map? We were presented. The council was presented with a different map that's located in the agenda report. And that map expanded areas, but it did not expand into mobile home parts. It expanded to opportunity sites that do not include mobile home parks. So the only map that shows mixed use over mobile home parks that is policy was adopted in 2016 by that council. That's a fact. Okay, has this had to be serious? This is the map that was presented. Can you go ahead and put that? Sure. Can you keep order on Mr. Charlie? Please. We have to start first of this dias. Councilmember, cannot speak when you are not recognized. If that's what you want to order is, you have to be listened to the conduct of the meeting. But this is the time that we have the discussion between the city council, not the people now. I'll ask all the council. We have the discussion between the city council, not the people now. Ask all the council. And the people to shut up. And all of them for me to ask them to quiet. I did before. But you need to do that first. You need to follow the rule. This is our discussion. Yes, this is our discussion. You have a discussion. It's our discussion. Yes, this is our discussion. Please. Councilmember West, Councilmember, keep order. Please. I will keep the order, but I need you to keep your order first. You keep the order. Okay. But so that I can keep the order. You didn't do your job. I you didn't do your job So why did come to your people you you try to do this over me, okay? I asked you this is the fact ask you be quiet right now they're quiet the only you are speaking right now required You asked them to be quiet now so that asking to be quiet. Can you be quiet now? So now we can go with the meeting. Finish the meeting. Okay. Thank you. So can you go ahead and interpret that? I will try to remember. But, um, sorry. We are going to go into detail city attorney. We have to put this on agenda. Yes. We have to vote for... Okay. This is... You're breaking the... Robert's rule. Robert's rule. Robert, to discuss. Okay. Robert's rule. Robert's rule. Do you not know? It's rules. I'm going to do this proof comments. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. You learn. You don't know. You don't learn. It's okay. Okay, you are new but you don't know you don't know that Mr. Paul's saying that it's really lies. You have to hear something. It's the ordinance. It's been. You've been wrong 2018. Oh, I'm a dumbass now. Thanks for the last day. You know, you can just tell me I'm a dumbass. Where to go? I think I say you're, I'm like you. Oh, you come out at I get close to you. I am not like you. You all know I'm not. That's what matters. At this time. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not putting words in my mouth. If I say it, dude, I would accept it. You're saying you always lie. I'm not saying that. I have one more time. I have one more time. I ask both of you, stop, please. City Attorney, this has to walk in. Hold on, please. Hold on, emergency. I ask you. And we have to ask her to see stop. And you can you stop, please. So can you vote for walk in agenda item? No, I am going to do what I'm going to do. You think they cannot be discussing? I know what I'm going to do. Okay. This time I close the oral communication. Okay, next item is business matters from City Council and agency members. 9.1 amendment 4, process a placement of agenda items. So with this, I think it's very clear that we need to amend the process of placement agenda items so that we can move to approve this item. If there is a second to that. Oh, the item. Okay. Yes, second. Okay. We have motion and second on the floor for the amendment of process of replacement of agenda items Look of would please If you want to if you want to do the substitute motion then you can go ahead What is this we haven't even discussed about it? There's a democratic process, Mr. Mayor. I can't vote all of this and just vote not everything. You are the mayor. We are the president. I'm sorry, the president. The president wants to remember me. Let me remind you. Let me remind you. I can make a motion. I can make a motion and then can't follow with the second motion. But that doesn't mean that we stop discussion. And it doesn't mean that you cannot make a substitute motion. You know well about that. So at this time here, a motion is on the floor. If you have, you want to discuss about it, you have the right. I will ignore that. You know there's only two votes to substitute motion. You know that. So this is really funny. What do you mean? This is funny. It's not funny at all. Because you are really asking this. And not enough to talk about the agenda item. Let me ask you. Are you letting us talk about the agenda item? He just said yes. Are you listening or not? Are you listening? Are you knowing? Do you know we? Do you know we have a process of democratic process? Please keep your mouth quiet so that you can listen to me. Why don't you say it? I just said, I make a motion and there's a thought that is followed with a second to approve the motion. But that doesn't mean that we can't discuss the item. That's number one. That doesn't mean that you guys can also make a substitute motion. Can you hear me clearly and loudly about this? That's why it's funny. That's why it's funny. That's not funny at all. This happened for the last few years that you're sitting almost you here, that you're sitting on the other side. It's funny because you know there's only two well for substitute motions. So he's shutting us down for even talking about it. And I'm shutting you down. Look, we're gonna substitute motion and fail. Go ahead. I'm going to fail. Okay. Right now, if you want to talk about this item, we do have the second motion and second on the floor, but if any council want to talk about it, I will open up for the discussion. So is there anyone to talk about this one? Or if there is any substitute motion on this. Hearing none? No. Actually, Amida, do you want to talk about this? Go ahead. I'll let you go first. Actually, I'm going to make a substitute motion at... Wow, man. This is unbelievable, Charlie. This is unbelievable. You go further further into the station ship. This is not a common assistant. Come on are you discussing the island? The minority voice. You are silencing a voice. Are you talking about the item? One and this trick for Yeah, we are talking about this item. Okay. Right now. Please go ahead. Wow. You said an idiot. Okay. You know what? We'll make a substantive motion to rethink this resolution from you. Please send. Okay. Is there a second to the substitute motion? I second it. Okay. All right. There is a more substitute motion. That's how he silenced us. That's why it's so funny. So we won't have the vote and that's how you're going to silenced District 1 and 4. Go ahead. Go ahead, though. You will. I know you guys are going to silent district one and four. Go ahead, go ahead, vote, though. I know you guys are going to vote, no one there. Please, please, I'm going to vote. I'm going to vote. You guys did the substitute motion. And your motion is going first. Don't tell me that I tried to silent you or you did. You are. You are. No, this is a game we all know that Charlie that's why so right that's why so funny Robert's will come up this is where you have my Robert's will of conduct off miss all right thank you miss okay okay at this time here if you want to discuss about this I will allow you to discuss the item nothing else otherwise we are going to proceed with the vote and At this time here, if you want to discuss about this, I will allow you to discuss the item. Nothing else. Otherwise, we are going to proceed with the vote and we will proceed with your substitute motion first. Go ahead. I just need clarification on the substitute motion. There's nothing to rescind. So are you just not wanting to make any of the changes that most suggested? No adjustment. Okay. Yeah. So it's take no action. Yeah. We're not actually rescinding any. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And so the substitute motion is take no action for item 9.1. At this time, I want, it's the last call. If you want to discuss about this item, I will open up for discussion. If not, we'll close it and then we will follow the vote. And the substitute motion will go first. Okay. Can it talk? Okay. That's one you wanted to only about the items, nothing else, please go ahead and start with the five minutes, please. Run the club. This is a reminder to Colossment of Enquim Li-Hole that if you vote yes for this, it's going to be a back last, and you know, on you guys, because on the next election, if you guys failed, and I believe that you want to failed. I thought we were talking about the item. I'm speaking on the item. Then I think we are going to keep this. We are going to keep this. And let's say if at that time you want to show your true self. I make it very clear. Don't cry like a baby. It's so scared. That's it. All right. Thank you. I'll go next, Mayor. Okay. Council Member Mendoza. If the reason we're here with these type of items is because two of my colleagues continue to find ways to waste everybody's time. If you read the agenda item, it's all this is scratching now, is requested member because my two colleagues chose to play games. Two meetings in a row. One meeting, one member made a recommendation and then the next in that failed and then right away the next meeting, the other one decided to do the exact same motion So it's just a bunch of ways to time that Unfortunately, this is what bringing us here and if you read it It's pretty much the same thing except it's just the item not the member So just please read your agenda when you get it and take a just a little bit of time to read it and you would understand And if you didn't your actions were a little bit of time to read it, and you would understand. And if you didn't, your actions were a little bit different, and maybe we wouldn't be here and doing these kind of items. And we could be moving forward. Supposedly you guys were here to move our city forward, but not moving forward. Our meetings now run all the way to 5.30 in the morning because of you two. So these are the reason why these kind of items come before us. It's for us to try to get some control and try to do the city's business instead of playing games. So that's because you're action. So that is the reason that I'm supporting this current proposal here to strike out the word council member and just leave the word item. So then we can have some sort of professionalism in this council meetings. Is there any other comments? Yes. Yes Lessma's hoe has a comment Do you have one then I'll go if you don't have one you know what let him run I Ask you when you see yes, so you have one but she Just in case you go down I am running the meeting I recognize you right now are you talking of you have comment? I know I was being considerate No, no, I don't consider it. It's my, okay, my talk to run the meeting. So you are now recognized. Are you talking? Yes, I have the floor. So may I talk? Okay. I have the floor, so stop talking. Let me talk. Thank you. Okay. So what I'm saying is that, you know, I'm answering Mr. Monzo. He said that, you know, we are wasting time, but the thing is not wasting time. This is a democratic process that we argue and debate. That's how Congress is run. That's how every government entity, if you, Mr. Monzo, have not looked and watched Congress, then you don't know anything about government. That's why open your mind, open your eyes a little bit. You shouldn't be here to read a rubber suit. That's why you're thinking small. Let's think big. If we want to move up city forward, think big. And the thing is that this item is the purpose is to silence our voice so then we can't move the city forward. We want to move the city forward. Now we can't even put anything on the agenda. If you want to put about public safety stuff, we can't even put on. Because you guys wouldn't vote for it. It has to be from you guys, then yes, you're vote for it. Because you guys have three vote and it's very clear, but this November will be different. But now listen, I think what Mr. Namguang was talking about is that, Ms. Ho, listen up. And Ms. Monzo is that this is a very thing that when Charlie, Mr. Mayor and Treeta has the majority. After with us, actually before, when you guys has the majority after with us. Actually before, when you guys have the majority, Monzo, Kimberly, and Tideau, you guys oppress and silence Charlie's and Treeta's voice. And then once we got the majority back, you guys were acting like the same thing. You think we were silencing your voice, but we're trying to run the city, but now you're actually silencing a voice, but what Mr. Namkwang is saying is that whatever you do, implement this resolution, when you don't have the majority anymore, Mr. Carlos is November, you, he's saying don't cry about it, because you implement this. So you want to go to the boys. So that's the thing. But the thing is that Mr. Mawsel wanted the LGBT flag. Can you hold on? And if you can work into both, you're in voters do not want that. And stop lying because Kimberley Hoh was your second on putting that flag on sitting on. I stopped your clock already. Can I ask you for more? I have the floor. I'm reclaiming my time. You know. That's right. No, I have the floor. So stop interrupting, Mr. Mayor. I have the floor. I have nothing to use at the top. Mr. Mayor, I have the floor.. I have to say, please respect. I have five minutes. Sitia, turn it with my right. Do I have to floor right now? Let her finish. No. Mr. Mayor. I just want to let you know. Sitia, turn it to a half the floor. I have my five minutes. I'm claiming my time. That is an introduction to your. You do not. That's what I'm like. My time. I have to find. Council, wind. Okay. Do not interrupt my time. I have the floor, Mr. Mayor. Stop. You know. City Attorney, who has the floor right now? I have the floor. I have my five minutes. City Attorney, who has a floor right now. Yeah, you have to respect the time that, you know. The chair runs the meeting and so when the chair has to stop it to try and get order, he has the ability to do that. Thank you. He's interrupting. He's interrupting me. I'm talking. The chair is running the meeting and if he needs my time. I have the floor. So let me finish. And I still have two minutes and 45 seconds. I am claiming my time. Your time is still your time. I am not going to take away your time. I have the floor. I'm claiming my time. I have the floor and I'm claiming my time. So can I finish? I don't want to tell you to stop. So to get that, you let us off. You stop, you let us off. And then we get it over. I'm not going to claim your term. Go in the back again. Why you, Mr. Mayor, this is your meeting. Can you please tell the audience? Can you keep a list of your clients? This is our time to play. He has to stop. We have to make this our time. I understand, I understand, but he has to stop. So, I read the reading. You are now recognized, you can talk, but not yet. You don't need to recognize me because I have the floor. I have to recognize you. No, you don't. You interrupt my time. Yes, I can. You cannot. I'm running the meeting. I am redeeming my time. Go ahead. So Mr. Mayor can you please look I'm getting interruption again. Can you please run your meeting. Can you tell the public? Okay hold. Hold on. Hold the clock please. They're in trouble. Hold the clock. At this time, I would like to ask you for a favor. Let me finish the meeting. Please don't interrupt. And with that, I asked the council also being doing the same thing. Not to interrupt any council when you are not recognized. If you can't do that, then don't blame that they can't do it, okay? So Mr. Mayor please take your own advice don't interrupt me when I have the floor two minutes and 25 seconds so can you please redeem my time two minute and 45 second you can go back to the time and look at it I said two minutes and 45 seconds. I redeem. We claim my time. I'm going to start with the first one. You want me to start? Go ahead and start at three minutes. That's OK. OK. So what I'm saying is this, it's all a game and we can see it and we can read it. Everyone who knows politics, who can look at this and say we see the majority here. Every time that we want to say anything, or put anything we are silent, district one and district four is silent. And we all know that. So until November is the elections coming up, I hope that we get people who comes in and who affair, who are democratic, who are actually respecting the constitutional republic. And that's what I'm hoping for. Because whatever you guys are doing here, this is a communist dictator, such as silence the other people. If you are not afraid of the voice of other constituent or other elected official here because we're all elected by the people. If you're not afraid, let us dialogue. That's why a city is healthy, a diocese is healthy, the council is healthy when we are able to dialogue and talk about and bring things and items up and talk. Unless you, Mr. Mayor, and the majority here is the fray of our voice and what what we're going to talk about and do, that's the only reason why you were silenced our voice and not allow us to put things on the agenda. And you will shut us down because we would never get the three votes. And with that being said, I just want to make sure that you guys, the public vote correctly, because it's so important, This is the constitutional republic. This is a democratic state and nation that we have to respect each other's voice. And we should not be afraid of other people's opinion or thoughts. And this is why it's healthy because each district is elected by that district and the people. So, those Namguang should have a say in his district, Monzo, Kimberly, myself, should have a say in our district and the mayor say overall of the city of Westminster. But that's a healthy council, healthy city when we can dialogue. Imagine of a family when we can talk freely, our thoughts in mind, and we learn from each other. Not shutting people down, how can we learn from that? You just make other people resent. That's it. And so with this agenda item, all you're doing is to silent people, silent the voice of the district one and four, and not allow them to have anything of their concern that they brought to our attention. And we're going to bring it before the dius and it would never be voted on to be on the agenda. And that's a shame. This is America. And I'm very sad to see that this is how the city is run, Mr. Mayor. And this is your legacy. And this is Monsville, this is your legacy too. And are you gonna do the same thing instead of being fair and just? Yeah, Thomas, I'm a council member of the West. Now, please, I want from the bottom of my heart. I want to thank you that you patient and not disrupt the meeting so that we can move on and finish the meeting. And also I want to thank the council here, not interrupt. With this, we can move on. And to be honest with you, I want to finish the meeting as soon as possible, so help me to finish the meeting. At this time, I, is there another person wanting to talk about this item? Yeah. I think we'll go ahead. As suggested earlier, I do see that we, I agree with changing whoever's the maker of the motion. Could we make sure we change the council to agenda and then for a minimum of six months instead of maximum. I think it does make more sense. And so unfortunately because we have chaos up here and people keep putting the same agenda over and over again we can't move forward. So I do agree with this and so I will give my vote if we could amend that. A man to have the word maximum to minimum. What is can we explain the difference? The minimum of six months is about maximum of six months. So you got to wait for at least six months before you make another the same thing you bring the same thing back. That's right Yeah, I'm sorry. Thank you for pointing it out. It was okay Can we go far not around? Yes, second round. I was to talk. Let me respond to Colossal Manzo about playing games. I think you guys, the three of you are the one that was in a lot of times on Central and Amy from West. You're face it, you guys are liars and cowards that you don't want to face that facts. Okay. Let me clear about you guys intentionally, intentionally silent the voice of District 1 and District 4. Remember that, you know what, I wish that you can have a test, a little bit test of dictatorship in China or Vietnam. So you know that the people that fight for, for you to voice, fight for you to speak out, like an Amy van West and I. Okay. I think you don't need to break the law or go against the constitution just because you don't, we say things that don't easy to your ears, okay? And again, I think this November election that you're going to see the big difference and just don't come back and cry like a baby. Okay? Okay? And I really want you to see you cry and all of you down there. Please, please. Okay. Please, please, please. So, I still have almost three minutes. Okay, go ahead. All right, thank you. All right, at this time, I believe that we have a substitute motion, and a motion and a second original motion. So why don't we go with the substitute motion first, call for the vote, please? I have a motion made by Council Member Winn. I'm sorry, it's the two motion made by Council Member Winn. Seconded by Councilwoman Fan West to take no action. Go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Yes. Council Member Montau. No. Council Member Winn. Yes. Vice Mayor Ho? No. Mayor Wynn? No. Motion failed. You go back to original motion, please. The motion is failed, right? Motion failed, three two. To go back to the original motion. I have a motion made by Mayor Wynn, seconded by Council Member Monzo. To amend the council policy related to placing items on the agenda with the correction from maximum to minimum of six months. That's right. We counsel to the word counsel to agenda, right? It's already there. Yes, that's as recommended. That was part of that's stated. It is to amend the process for placement of agenda items. To change the wording that says the requesting council may not request the item. To the item requested cannot be requested again by any member of the council for a minimum of six months unless there's an urgency as determined by new information legislation litigation or policy. Okay. Okay. All right. We will litigation or policy. Okay. Okay. All right. We will call vote please. Councilwoman Fan West. I thought we already, you know what? Like I said again, this is really sad to see the City of Westminster, Mr. Mayor. You are a Republican. You are a conservative. You are a conservative. You are a vote. You escaped from communism. I'm really sad, Mr. Mayor, that you would silence the question of police. I'm not uphold the constitutional republic. So with the original motion, I vote no. Thank you. Thanks. Council Member thank you. Thanks. Council Member Monzo? Yes. Council Member Winn? My words, okay, on November 5th, don't come back here and cry like a baby like Manzo. I will enjoy it if you cry. It's a no. No, it's a no, okay. Vice Mayor Ho? No. Okay. Vice Mayor Ho? Yes. Mayor Winn. Yes. Motion carried three two with council members. Winn and councilwoman Fan West voting no. Okay. Next item is 9.2. Amendment to the policy to limit the amount of time each council member has for discussion on off and agenda item. This also is very explanatory. If you read the topic just like council member mentioned earlier, which is something is very clear. I want to have a motion to approve the item point 9.2. Is there a second to that? We're going to have a total of five minutes. Everything five minutes, I believe that the further placing the item on agenda and also comment at the end is going to be five minutes. I'm good with that. Is there a second to that? Seconded. I substitute motion. Okay, please. To take no action and I want to make a statement on this. So I have the floor so Mr. Mayor please tell me around. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Is there a second to that? A second? Okay, now you recognize you. So, please. So, Mr. Mayor, it's really sad to see this again, that you are doing this to limit the time of the council member as we are elected by the people. We should have this free dialogue and constructive, you know, healthy dialogue. And we don't see it here in the city of Westminster anymore and is very sad. I know that's what when we have the majority at beginning in 2022 when we got elected in Mr. Mayor, you, Namguang and I, and we were fair enough for Carlos and Kimberly to talk. Right. You know, and they take their time forever. And I know sometimes you have mentioned Kimberly, can you please hurry up what you want to say? And we were respectful to let that dialogue, even though they were not our majority. But now you have the majority and you take it to the next level of control and silencing the voice and it's no longer a constitutional republic and it's very sad to me to see that and it's not healthy for the city. And you know with this when you limit the time for us to even speak, placing the agenda, the item on the agenda, it's the next step of control. It doesn't take long for us, we know that we don't even get the vote right now to put anything on the agenda, Mr. Mayor. And when we put it on, we don't get the vote. This should one and two, whatever our resident tell us that they would like to agenda these things Regarding homelessness or anything they concern about we we would never have the vote mr Mayor and I thought it's supposed to be a Non-partisan city council's non-partisan We supposed to see what is the best interest for the people mr. Mayor and For you to silence to this point for for us, as District 1 and 4 can't even put things on the agenda. Mr. Mayor, can I reclaim my time? I keep getting interrupt by the activists out here. So keep order. Keep order. The work's actually caught. Keep order and I am claiming my time to be clerk. You need a pause. Please if you. I'm job. Keep order. And I am claiming my time, city clerk. Please if you can. You need a pause. Please if you. I'm reclaiming my time. No. I'll go ahead and continue. I'm interrupted by the people. And you're supposed to take charge of your city and your audience, Mr. Mayor. And, city clerk, I'm claiming my time. Because I got into the city. No one can. No one can. I am reclaiming my time. I have the floor, Mr. Mayor. I have two minutes and 50 something and you just let it keep running. No. Because you are not. Mr. Mayor, I'm claiming my time because this is my time. I have the floor. You're being unfair and you're not following the rule. I'm claiming my time. I read it. I read it. I read it. It's been up to three minutes than, you know, taking this that longer. So go ahead. Thank you Mr. Chair. We start with a further for three minutes. I would like to ask you, please. We'll think about a few more minutes. It will be over. But if we continue to do this, it will be all night. So please help me to finish the meeting. Go ahead. Why you keep back in them when you have the authority of power, Mr. Mayor. You need to be quiet about this. No, Mr. Mayor, you're not. I'm not going to claim we could have had. Okay, can I, can we claim my time? Okay, I'm not interrupting. See? I'm going to claim, we can't get a call. Can I, can we talk about it? Okay, I'm not interrupting. See, can I reclaim my time, Mr. Mayor? No. Yes, pause it, because you are interrupting my time. No. Can I reclaim my time, please? I haven't even talked yet. No, I have the floor and you are letting the audience interrupting me. Please, please. This is not fair, Mr. Mayor. I am not going to. Clock is running, yes. No, I am reclaiming my time. Please speak, the clock is running. I am reclaiming my time. No, you are interrupting me. You let the audience interrupt me. You are not, please. Mr. Mayor, I have the floor. I'm reclaiming my time. I am reclaiming my time. I am reclaiming my time. I am reclaiming my time. I am reclaiming my time. I am reclaiming my time. I am reclaiming my time. You keep interrupting me. You let the audience interrupt me. No, you did not. Why did you interrupt me? I am reclaiming my time. Where is my three minutes? Please reset my three minutes. I did. Why? You interrupt me. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I future. I have the floor. You are interrupting and you're laying the audience interrupt and you're running my time. I'm reclaiming my time. Yeah, man. You're not being fair or just or following the rules right now. That's why I have a reason that I keep calling you. Mr. Mayor, I'm reclaiming my time. And incompetent. I have the floor and I'm reclaiming my time. You are the worst, the worst man ever in the history of the US. Not the head. Not West, Mr. President. Mr. Mayor, I have the floor. I'm reclaiming my time. You are not reclaiming my time. You are breaking the law. You are breaking the law and you're not running your meeting correctly. I'm reclaiming my time and I have the floor and you keep interrupting me. So I'm reclaiming my time. Let her talk and then we get it open. Let me have my time. I'm reclaiming my time. You are breaking the rule and the front of the door. I'm going to be standing in the front of the door. I'm going to be standing in the front of the door. I'm going to be standing in the front of the door. I'm going to be standing in the front of the door. I'm going to be standing in the front of the door. I'm going to be standing in the front of the door. I already have you interrupting me, Mr. Mayor, and you let the audience interrupt me. I'm reclaiming my time. I have to let her talk right now. I have stupid. Okay. City Attorney, what is my right now? We have run out the time so next council meeting I mean next I don't know if you have to let her talk so you have three minutes Okay, she has three minutes you have to let her talk okay hold on right now See the attorney no No, you have attorney you meet it. Have the motion. You are the presiding officer. You are running the meeting. You got to be fair. I remember West. I give you right now what I'm saying is I give you the first one and talk is the first one and you are disrupting the meeting. You are disrupting the meeting. I am going to give you the first we're wanting. No, it's not. You are the one that interrupts in the meeting already. First one. You are the one. I have to speak loud. Give her three minutes to talk. I ask you to be quiet right now so that we can get this one over with. right please answer you work for us you are hired by the council go ahead and so the time was running and you were speaking he let the crowd keep interrupting her I had the floor the and the mayor. The mayor wants to be the mayor. I have asked for me. But he did not run it properly. I remember when. There's another running team. I have the right issue, the first running team. I have the right to interrupting the meeting. OK? No, no, I'm not. First running for you. First running for you. I am not. Do you reclaim my time? Just go ahead, remove us. No, no, no. You give her three minutes and then we go into finish this. At this time? No, no, no, no, no, this time give her three minutes. This time. Give her three minutes. Please answer city of Korea. You were given time. No, but the crowd get, keep interrupting her. How can she talk? I wasn't interrupting. Oh, you, that runner. I wasn't interrupting. Did he have a turning? What is the point of life? Okay, let me, let me, let me, they clap and they clap and it's everything like that. We have the substitute motion by both of you, substitute motion by both of you and the motion, original motion. We know that. I already knew that. So at this time, I asked to move you, the vote, you let us discuss, give a three minutes to talk. And that's it. Let me interrupt, Mr. Mayor. No. And keep the crowd. You may now go to the... You go to interrupt. You want to replay the video? You run out of your time. So at this time, I would like to... You are the chair, no? To stop the discussion on this item. Can I do that? No, unless you give a three minutes to talk, then you go ahead and then... Five times. Okay. According to the city attorney, we have the motion on the floor. We can call for the vote right now. So please call for the vote for the substitute motion, please. No, you don't come for the vote, please. Or we'll finish this question. Have the substitute. No, we are not going to go for vote. Now, Chenyu, I have a substitute motion made by Councilwoman Fan West. We are seconded by counterwoman fan west. We hear that. Seconded by. That's a woman fan west. That's a woman. Let's. Can you take. No action. Yeah. Okay. Let me. Less. Four or three minutes. That's it. Before you call for the vote, let me remind you. Okay. Let me. Let me. Let me tell you this, let me tell you this, because remember West, if you refuse to vote, then I will consider your vote as an abstained vote. Okay, so go ahead and then call the vote please. Councilwoman Fan West. Give up three minutes to talk, and then we get this over with. Why do you want to vote? Why do you want to vote? Why are you afraid of voting? Why do you have afraid of, you know. Compton, member, monzo? My goodness. I had the floor and I remember when? Let her have three minutes to come. Compton, member, when? The attorney. Go to the office. Vice mayor, ho? City attorney. I goodness. City attorney. What is my right? I have a right. I goodness Right now we are voting on substitute motion The vote is no mayor when no motion failed Yes Let me let me respond here It's kind of difficult here because the chair runs the meeting. Okay, council members are entitled to a reasonable opportunity to speak on each agenda item. So we had a period of time where opportunity to speak was given and then they reset the time. So- And the people in Toronto City Attorney, you must understand that the people in Toronto- And let me remind you that the people- You're going to lie to us now. So you can replay the video, City Attorney. How can City Attorney- You are about the law, you knew they in Toronto. You want to answer- I want to answer you. Let me answer you. We have three, zero. I mean, we- You missed that option. Can you tell me so three voted in favour and there were two abstentions because they didn't vote. Yes, that's the legal city attorney. You violate the law. Please move to the next vote for the original. You violate the law. Have a motion made by Mayor Wins. I can send by Councillormember Monzo. Wow. You've made a lot of motion on that. City Attorney, there's going to be a lot of laws to limit the amount of each time Councilmember has for discussion of an agenda. I don't want to make a substitution on my motion. I want to make it clear that you are an idiot. No idea. City, Namboa Councilmember, I can't approve it. The five minute later, to do motion again. The comment, you should speak for your people. It's important that you speak at the Apes. One, two, three. Councilwoman Canwes. For your people in district one. Before you vote on that, it's what I'm clarifying. That should be a agenda item number 10. It indicates that it is number nine. It really should number 10. I am the motion maker of the motion. I agree with that. How about the, the, the, the, the stop report saying that is instead of 9 is supposed to be 10. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Because yes. No. We are talking about item 9.2. Yes. 9.2, subullion 9.2. Yes. This item. Okay. But 1.2. Yes. Talks about. I'd like to process it for agenda items. I have a comment and request. I should be changed will agree to that. Yes. Okay. So please call for that vote. Okay. Councilwoman Fan West. No, this is illegal. Okay. Councilmember Montau. Yes. This is a joke. Vote. This is not even a member. When? When? Didn't even let me talk. When I have the five minute and that's mayor go. That is your law. Yes. It's not even like you went it. Yes. This is horrible. You violated and you let the activists run the city, Charlie. That's pretty sad. Okay. We are moving on to number 10. Comments and requests for agenda item from CDA Council agency members. Let's start out with Council member Wynn. Okay. Okay. Are you asking you to go ahead and then the five minute please? Just run the call. Okay. I will make a request of placing an item on the next agenda for discussion. We will discuss, no, no, we will rescind resolution. What did I, it may be? 9.2. 9.2. 9.2. 9.2. 9. 9. 9. 5.2. From the seat of council meeting on September 11. That's 5.2. 5.2. So now you make his motions for him. Did you want to make the same motion that you made earlier? I think it was to just- Yeah, the same motion. I get to find it. It's a lot of reasoning. No, it wasn't to rescind it was to. Sorry, it's a lot of notes. Would it be to bring that item back to discuss rescinding? No, it was just to discuss. It was to discuss. Not for discussion. City, it was getting need of policy. It was walk on. At the time it was to walk on the item to discuss the study and exclude mobile home parks. Your time is clicking by the way Christine was talking. That's all right. I make it quick. So and then we're going to discuss about first everything that then we discuss about we condition that we're going to clearly exclude on the land mobile home parks land from this question. Can you read, can you read again, please? Well, to rescind 5.2 from September 11th meeting first and then discuss the item to clearly exclude mobile home parks. You need a second. You sure? I'm just really clearly. Where is that reference from 2016 and what document that had that mobile home parks, that's what I want to be specific about? So the policy document. Can you stop just clock? Yeah, if you could. That's your question. The policy document that introduces mixed use into mobile home parks was a part of the 2016 general plan update So that would require general plan it would definitely require a general plan amendment So are we We're clear, okay, what is the process general plan of the, I mean general plan amendment with the process? Please stop his time. Someone else talking. City clerk, please stop his time. No, this is my time. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Monzo just asked questions in the time keep clicking. The person who's talking is you. You guys don't follow your own rules when Christine was talking you pause for Kimberly. Now the time is running when Christine talks and a Doha talk, you don't pause the time. This is ridiculous. You're wasting wasting time. Okay, so do I have your second? Yeah, you have my second. Okay. All right. Yeah. You can go for vote now. Okay. All right. Thank you. So can you repeat the... I think I understand it. It would be the first part would be to rescind item 5.2 from September 11th meeting. And the second one would be to put an item on the agenda to request a general plan update to remove mobile home parks from- From the discussion, from the general plan. So whatever that's, whatever lands that we have, we're going to discuss about it, but we're not going to include Mobile Home Park into our plan. Is that clear? The general plan, land use map, designates mixed use districts over mobile home parks. Yes. So to discuss the general plan update to remove mixed use from mobile home parks in the city of Wales. That's correct. I was on the show last night. I was saying that I seen 2016 that we have the council agreed to two parks. One is a Lisa park and the other one is a rental park. I said I will undo it and this is what it happened, okay? So So is it two separate item or is this just one item? I see I see this to yes, I see it to Because I just make it a in B Into two parts, but your, your request could be one vote. So you want to request the process. Your request could be one vote, but it would essentially be two items because the first item that was 5.2 was looking at a study, it wasn't looking at general plan amendments yet. And so if you're looking to do general plan amendments to address the mobile home park issue, then that's a completely separate process. So, I don't understand it. City Attorney, come here. Come here. So we need to bring back a process. There's a request for those two items and we need to vote to want to see if we want to add those to the agenda. It's both. It's two separate items. They would be the A and a B. So let's vote. Okay, I want to make it clear. Okay. Mr. Namquan, I think what I'm trying to understand. One minute and one minute and I know Mia understand what you're saying. I think what I'm trying to understand, one minute and I know me understand what you're saying. I think. So wait a minute. He has one minute and three seconds. So let him finish it. OK. Go ahead. OK. One of the reasons that I brought up this is because I want to give the resident of that currently currently leaving in the Mobile Home Park a piece of mine. So they're not going to worry about it in the future. That the city or any developers want to go in and buy the land and kick them out of the house. So that's what I want to emphasize. Thank you. Am I hearing 5.2 or no? What he just said, 5.2 are we doing 5.2 or anything two separate items, right? 5.2 you want to bring back? Yes, so we'll talk. So it's to rescind, first rescind, 5.2 from the September 11th meeting. So that action is just reversed, nothing's happening. And then discuss that item further to clearly exclude mobile home parks through potentially a general plan amendment update. That's right. Okay. From a mixed use design. Is it for the future or the one that the way to exist? Well, that's really up to the. I want to clear. I want to clear. I want to clear. That would be pretty. The ring, the ring, the mayor and also the council before they voted to up to for the two mobile home parks, Aliso and also Green Park as makes use. So at this time here your motion is to do for the future or to undo those two two. I I sub the team. It's very clear that I just want to undo the one that you guys voted last time. We did it. Oh last time is yes. We didn't.'t if you did okay, so you want the one that I did the last time what which one is that is at 5.2 Yes, yes 5.2 5.2 we did not okay Can I modify and ask the author of the Modern I don't know where you were. Mr. Namp, my eyes. Right now, let me recognize. I mean vice mayor, please. Yes. Okay. General plan amendment. Isn't that to be done every 10 years? That is to be done every 10 years. It's not like the council voted to have mixed use or anything like that. It's done by a outside, the consultant every 10, 15 years and I think it's been a little while. So that is a huge, that's a huge undertaking. It's not like we voted or any council voted on it. I think you guys are getting sidetracked. You guys are getting sidetracked. He's not talking about that. He's basically talking about it. Okay, let me make it clear. I'm talking, please don't jump in. I thought and then the 5.2 is just a lack of understanding on both council who just don't understand. And so if anything, I think they need to just go back to the drawing board, maybe just to have a sit down with staff. So that you can spare us the details of bringing up when you think it's this, but it's not that. It's not this, it's something else. It's just the lack of understanding on your part. So I'm just out of respect, I just want you to consider. Thanks for understanding. Okay, can I speak now? My turn. Okay, go ahead. I love you all. I understand. I totally agree with the Vice Mayor in terms of their lack understanding of 5.2 from the two council. So I'm not going to go for this one. I don't think that understand until they know exactly what they're talking about, then I will agree with them. You're not letting me talk. How can you understand? Okay. May I talk. How can you understand? May I talk now for the agenda item? It's done first. Okay. Yes. It's just a little bit more on that. So, you've got a general plan. I thought it was an update. Not only correct me if I'm wrong, it cost the city over $1 million for that. And it took more or a year took longer than a year to do. And during that process we have multiple, multiple community workshops. Not only we were so large we had to have them at the mall because there's so many people that attended it and multiple times and coming out and having community input had a 25 member a general plan update committee that involved that one of the members was former Mayor Treetah. He was a member of that committee and another council member as well. So that was a very long process to get to that point. First to get back there, that was in 2016. If we wanted to do it again, it would be 2026. That would commit over again. I'm assuming now it's going to be a lot more than a million dollars. To go through that process again, so it's just a lack of understanding and maybe advice, maybe ask questions beforehand to see, to really understand what we're talking about, if we don't know. So please, my ask my colleagues to please understand that. And to me this is just a political stunt, just to stoke fear into the most vulnerable people in their community. And that's all it is. It's just a big show, big wasting everybody's time. And they don't really care about it. They just want to scare everybody. So. Thank you. Now I recognize you, customer of the West. Thank you. So this is really sad. You know, because what you guys went sidetrack and derail on completely something different, mainly what Namguang was saying was just to exempt the mobile home parks from the study that you implemented, voted on September 11th. So if you approve that study, which I would change by vote to go back to that. But the thing is that we want you to exempt the whole mobile home park in this study. That's it. So basically the agenda item 5.2, you're removing all the mobile home park through that study. And that's it. That's how we want it. So bringing back the 5.2. And just remove that mobile home park in there, that's all we want it. So if you want that, then you guys can vote for it. If not, then that's okay. Okay, at this time here, I think we have a discussion about it. I still have my time, Mr. Mayor. For a minute, may I reclaim my time and I have the floor. So please stop interrupting me, Mr. Mayor. Okay, so we all know the general plan update is required by the state of California every 10 years. So Ms. Ho, we all know that already so you don't have to educate us about that. So, I'm trying to stop her. Stop interrupting me, Mr. Ho. Okay, so it has nothing to do with the plan, the general plan because we already know the state of California update that every 10 years. So why are you looking at me? Do you need a look at me? Steve, you have all the information. It's just for all of you. It's just for all of you. See, let me see what you're doing on your phone. Wow, I'm taking notes. I write notes on my phone. Do you want to see my notepad? Let me show you. Yeah. You're talking to me. Just let me know. You're talking to me. Just in case, you know, my notepads. Like, I can't look on my notepads. Come on, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, so we know the general plan already. It has nothing to do with the plan. They voted to implement on September 11th. So all we're asking is on September 11th to remove the mobile home part on those mixed use on that map. All we want is to remove that and approve the plan. That's it. Okay? So I am your second on that. Okay, thank you. Okay. Okay, now my turn, I will call for the vote. Why don't we call for the vote right now? We have the substitute motion. Okay. I have a motion made by Council Member Wins, seconded by Councilwoman Fan West to rescind item 5.2 from the September 11 meeting and to discuss the item. Before you call for the vote, I have a chance to speak to myself. So let me make a comment first. OK. I think there's a lack of understanding from the two cows so from the effort of 5.2. So I am not really really. Is it the other way? Can the mayor talk about the rest of the voting? So go ahead and call for the 5.2 so I am not really really can the mayor think that this is not way to go so go ahead and call for the vote cheese councilwoman fan west yes councilmember maunzo no councilmember win yes councilmember. No mayor win. No motion failed. Okay next is council member West. Is items ten? You have anything to? I thought this is time. Do you have any other? He's done. Oh, you're done. Okay. So my turn now. Okay. I thought you always go with this way. So you want to rotate again. Okay. You know, for me, I think it's so important. I just want to make sure that we have the freedom of speech on the dies here as elected officials, because remember, we are representing each district in their voice. And I want to put on the agenda just making sure that we respect the constitutional republic and respect each other's voice, even those different. On the dias, I want to agendaize that item. So in that way, we have the freedom to respect one another and put things on the agenda without the fear of dialogue and discussion. So that's my agenda item. I'm sorry, what are you placing? I want to place agenda item, however you want to phrase it, sure. Okay? That we respect and honor the constitutional republic which we live in, the United States, the rules of the nation. And that in it, that I want to encourage the council here as a body, not to be fearful of different voice and ideas, but that we will have a healthy dialogue, you know, allowing that open dialogue without any restriction of each other's voice because we represent each district. So like a statement resolution with all that the. Okay. So a resolution. Okay. It's a second to this. Second. Second. What is the resolution? Just we already have that already. That's a statement. Okay. I draw with already. Then why you say that? Okay, I'll just draw. Why you will. Because we already have that. We already have that. But I don't know. It's different. This is a statement. I don't know if it's different. I don't know if it's different. This is a statement. I'm sorry. We already have that. another floor. Personally, I think that we have ordered, you know, we conduct our meeting professionally. It's just some of the council disrupting the meeting. It's just because of that. It doesn't mean that we have to bring the item and then, you know, talk about it. It's just a waste of time, waste of resource, waste of the tax money, so I will not go for that. So go ahead. I have a motion made by councilwoman fan west seconded by councilmember win no wanzo. No I did we drew it. I thought we had that motion on the floor of city attorney. He withdrew and then councilman won the seconded Okay. To bring the statement of resolution. Councilwoman Fanwrest? Yes. Councilmember Monzo? No. Councilmember Wynn? Yes. Mayor Ho. Vice Mayor Ho? No. Assembly. Mayor W Ho. No. Mayor Win. No. Motion said. Next is councilor vice mayor Ho. Yes. You know I just need, I mean I remember bringing up e-bikes, rex. Didn't we talk about that and we have something before I put I remember bringing up e-bikes, rex. Didn't we talk about that and we have something before I put something on the agenda. I just wanted to refresh my memory. If you could, did we ask you to bring back something e-bike regulations or something like that? Did you refresh my memory? Were we waiting for that to come back to us or? No. I'm not sure. Actually, I can answer that. There was a request at one point to do a study session regarding e-bikes. And at the time, at the time there was some pending, I think there was some laws or there were some concerns on why we didn't bring it at that time. But since then, because the agenda placement policy eliminated any other previous requests, there is no request. That was one of mine and it was pending. So now that it's wiped out, I'd like to bring that back. I think it's really needed because I did see a couple other e-bike accidents so I think it's really time. And so I'd like to put that on the agenda and ask staff to research it and bring some kind of regulations. Can the city manager be face that agenda item? Is that the suggestion? It be bringing back a study session. Because we're not a study session. Do you want to be a study session? Okay. Could we do that, please? Okay. Good. Okay. You. Okay. It doesn't have to be the next meeting. Yeah. You're overwhelmed. You could have a couple of. It wouldn't be ready at the next meeting because in order to have a meeting full structure discussion about e-bex we'd have to bring back. We'd have to do some research, you know, other cities, laws, etc. Okay. You said they can do that. A second. Okay. other cities, laws, etc. Okay, you just taken to that. A second, okay. So we're just doing a study or a implementation of what the other cities are doing. It would be a study. The study first. Yeah, no, it would be, so with the study session format, we'd be bringing to you examples on what is done in other cities, as well as legal interpretation of how things are playing out in regards to e-bikes, but it's really a discussion. There's not an implementation focus at this time based on your comments on e-bikes at the study session. It provides additional direction for staff and city attorney's office to generate something toward adopting an ordinance if you desire that. That's good. Thank you. Okay. I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Ho, seconded by Council Member Mando to schedule a study session to discuss e-bikes. I'll go ahead and call roll. Councilwoman Fan West. Can you just circle back around? Can you stop the clock right now if she has another? Councilmember Monzo? Yes. Councilmember Winn? Yes. Vice Mayor Hoh? Yes. You know when you said this is the e-bbikes could you like be more specifically e-bike regulations? Are you just gonna talk about e-bikes? I think it's inferred that we're talking about regulations. Yeah, I think that's what we intend. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Come to a woman from west Thank you. Okay. Councilwoman from West. Chief of Police, do we have the law in the state of California for e-bites? We are the middle of the vote. Who is next? Mayor West for clarity. I'm asking for clarity. Mayor City Chief, do we have the law in the state of California that we abide by the e-bites? There are state laws. One of the speakers earlier spoke about grand jury report. I am aware and did receive that report and it goes into e-bike laws extensively. But we do have that in the book, right? Yes, we do have that. We still have to adopt them. It's not like, you know, their state laws doesn't mean that you are, you know, you have met them in the city with that adopted. Are you guys implementing that in the city of Westminster? Our officers are able to enforce state laws in the city of Westminster. So we're already implementing that, Kimberly. They are implementing the state law of e-bites. We need to have the details. We want the details. Yeah, anyway, so yes, will we vote? Is that city mayor's? So I believe what Councilwoman Ho is referring to is more specific like a municipal code that would address our specific issues in town. If we have any or assuming we do based on a few crashes. City Attorney may ask you do we have an almond municipal code? Not right now. Okay. I think there's certain state laws that have very statewide implications and then if you want something more specific to the city then you would craft an order. So we would have a study session and talk about what other cities may have adopted and see what might work here. And then if the council wanted us to, we would then prepare an ordinance and bring it back. Okay. All right. Thank you. Next. Councillor Womans, Fan West. Yes. Mayor Winn. Okay. To bring to the study session, right? Is it a session? Yes. Motion carried 5-0. Okay. I don't think. He voted for he left. All right. Okay. All right. That's it. You have two minutes. I could sing. My two minutes. But I won't. Please. I could say, I could say, I'm not too many, but I won't. Please, don't waste, I know they stay until the summer ready, so I will point it out. I will point it out. Don't use that too many, please. If you don't need to, don't use that too many, say for us two minutes. No, I'll save my two minutes. No, it's okay. I'm done. Thank you. Thank you. I can just be an item of interest that our city attorney can just forward us. I want to have a really clear understanding of what the Disorderly Conduct entails by members of the City Council and members of the public. And what is considered obstruction, what is considered, and also what is it until when a member of the City Council goes into public out here in the audience, and does that now that member become, have the same path to follow the same rules as a member of the public, if they're out there in the public, if we're out there in the public creating distractions to now that we have to follow the rules that the public has to follow. So I just want us to have a really clear understanding of what that is. And I'm sure there's somewhere out here in the United States that have something, they've gone through something like this. And I want us to really have a clear understanding. So if you can bring that to us, do some research is what I'm asking. So we can make informed decisions up here. And the mayor can have that tool to run the meeting better, you know, with all these chaos stuff. That's one of some things that I think is for item of interest. Yes. From the city attorney's office. You got it? All right. Thank you. Anything else? And then I also want to make an announcement. I attended the city of the city of the city. I think it was a week and a half ago or so. Really good time. So do you want the public to know that I was there? And then also I want to invite the public to the Westminster High School of having an autumn harvest festival on December and October 19th from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. You can go and pick your own pumpkin, they'll have music, food and fun. So if you guys can't anybody go out there and have some fun, but they're Westminster High School. And I also want to really make a point that we just had our fall festival recently and I really want the community to really understand. I know when the council was there, there wasn't that much audience. I think maybe next year we pick a better time to have the council be there. But I just want to, the community to understand that I'm really proud of our staff. I'm really proud of what they've been able to bring to our community. And I know this for a fact, because I've been here in the City of Westminster for over 30 years, that we wouldn't have these types of events in our community if it wasn't for our city manager. Not only supports them, but she encourages our leaders, our staff to show their talent, to show us what they can do. You can see it out there in the fall festival. I had an awesome time, my wife and I had an awesome time. I think the dance floor was a big hit. I think everybody loved the dance floor. And everybody here in our city, along with our police chief, our deputy chiefs, everybody our whole police department. Every single person that works for our city had a hand and making that happen. I'm really proud of all of you and I just want to use this platform to let hopefully the committee can see that because like I said we had a low attendance during that time of day on Saturday morning. So yeah, I think thank you very much for your hard work. Thank you, Council, for your hard work and city attorney as well for putting up with all this commotion. So thank you very much and thank you audience and all your members of the public for being here. And being involved in your city and our city. To voice your concerns. Let us know when you agree with us. Let us know when you don't. So please keep doing it. So thank you very much. Okay, all right, I think the last one and we'll end the meeting here. First of all, I want to thank you all for taking your time again. Same thing the same thing, but I know that's not redundant because I really value your time. I want to thank you for coming out. You did this just because you loved the city, you loved the community. That's why you're doing this. I want to take a couple of things. Number one, I was there with him at the city, the state of the city for a plus center. And we were there, we enjoyed the event, we were able to meet with other counterparts from the different cities This is somewhere that we make connections so that we can you know work with them in different areas So it was good and I also attended at the class First state of the city for the Boonapark and this is same. And one thing that I learned from the Boone Park, they very much the same as us. And they make it happen. So hopefully that we both have a set of city sometime next year, if not this year. I know that staff been talking about it, but we were not able to, because we have a lot of things on our plate. So hopefully next year we can do the state of the city. Next thing is I want to talk about what's, well, I forgot about it already. So again, thank you all for coming out. And at this time, you go ahead and answer. Mr. Mayor, I haven't seen yet my ABC, my AB123 yet. Oh, that's a time that I call you for the 1238. No, we are doing it right now. I know, but I need to speak. I haven't speak yet. No, I don't know where, where, where were you? Have you won the call, then? You share your agenda item. That is to put the thing on the agenda. Let do this, okay, please. I can go ahead and let you do this right now, but next time please follow the agenda of the meeting City attorney were we supposed to put things on the agenda first then we go into a B123 is that correct? That's right and then why didn't you do that at the time? You did not give me an option to pass by me Go ahead and do it right now. Go ahead and next time we're not going to do it. Okay, let me repeat what you just said. Okay. So we're going to do AB123. So what I want to do is want to thank you everyone for coming out as local elected official. We are closest to you making decision that will impact you and your family, your businesses. I just want to know, I just want you guys to continue to share your concerns and perspective and ideas of how you want your city to be, will be more and happy to implement what you think is best for your family, your freedom, and your wave life. And so this Friday, I want to encourage all of you guys who are coming out, have nothing to do at noon at 12.30. Come out and dance with us with the senior folks at the senior center at 12.30. And then also this coming Monday is Columbus Day. And as huge as we all grow up, in elementary, most school, high school, we celebrate Columbus Day, and that's significant of it. But also I want to acknowledge that it's also Indigenous peoples day as well. So those of you who are Indigenous, we want to recognize you guys as well. It's important this Monday. So thank you for inputting in this nation for a very, very long time. And so with that in mind, I think staff and think the resident who voted for me to be here to be your voice and fighting for you. And I also have my time three minute and 34 second. Mr. Mayor, do you want to keep interrupting? Do you mind telling them? No, no, you have five minutes already and then- Okay, so my turn may- I have the floor may finish. So on September 11th, Mayor Charlie Cheing went along with council member Carlos Montso and Kimberly Ho, direct the staff to move forward with the proposed redevelopment plan. Despite of significant opposition, this plan was passed without allowing meaningful discussion of its impact on the community. The proposal include the construction of high density apartment building in several areas of the city with multiple mobile home parks listed as potential redevelopment sites. However, during the Council direction to proceed, no specific measure were outlined to protect the current residents. It is essential that the final plan incorporated the following safeguards. Number one, protecting from eminent domain. Two, protections for Moehoom Park residents. Three, they didn't even talk about traffic impact and it gave strategy. Fourth, collaboration with school district to address increased student growth. No redevelopment plan should move forward without these crucial protection in place. That's why I will continue to fight for you. And fight for the resident and the home owner in the city of Westminster and the businesses. So, make up bless you, your family, and make up bless Westminster. Take care. Okay, I remember what I needed to say. I just want to thank you for the bottom of my heart again. I want to thank you staff for doing a great job, especially director Vanessa Johnson. I know you see us out there, you know, and I'm working under for festival. And I know our PDs out there, everyone out there for the putting their effort in to make sure that the event is successful. And it was in the successful event. So I wanted to thank you and I did mention this one to the city manager. I would like to recognize each and every one department up by the next meeting. Thank you. At this time, the meeting has shown and the next meeting will be held on Wednesday, October 23, 24 at 6 p.m. Meeting adjourned.