This is for the traffic commission meeting for January 8th, 2025. Chair Murphy? Here. Vice Chair Mejia? Here, thank you. Commissioner DeHill? Absent? Commissioner Arhill? Here. Commissioner Marquasi? Here. Commissioner Patz? Here. Commissioner Rojas? Here. Here. Here. Commissioner Rojas. Here. Commissioner Marquese. Here. Commissioner Patz. Here. Commissioner Rojas. Here. All right. President Legions. I'll be here with you. I'm coming. Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of which stands one nation and under God in the visible with liberty and justice for all. All right, now we have the traffic, no, I'm sorry, oral communications. At this time, in the individual, the audience may address the traffic commission and speak on any item within the subject matter, jurisdiction of commission. Please stay if you wish to speak on the item, the agenda of these new adherents. So, we'll close doing the recommendation for the LUTs on's traffic commission nominate and elect for chair and advice chair. I don't know if you want to tell me this. I'll run it. Yeah. Thank you. So at this time, I will open the floor for nominations for the Office of Chair. After nominations, I will close nominations and a roll call vote will be taken in the order of the nominations received. Are there any nominations for the Office of Chair? Yes, I'd like to nominate how do you have a here? Any further nominations? No? Okay. So there will be, there being no further nominations, nominations are closed. Please vote for Commissioner Mejia for the Office of Chair. And we'll do a roll call vote. Chair Murphy. Aye. Vice Chair Mejia. Aye. Sunker. Commissioner. Dehill. Absent. Commissioner Arhill. Aye. Commissioner Marquese. Aye. Commissioner Patts. Aye. Commissioner Rojas. All right. Okay. So motion carried 6-0. Congratulations, Chair Mejia. And then I turn the meeting over to you to now conduct the nominations for Office of Vice Chair. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much for the nomination. I appreciate it very much. And I will do my best. At this time, I'll open up the floor for nominations for Vice Chair for Traffic Commission. So I would like to nominate the Randall Hill. The Vice Chair, please go on. Did we talk about this? Sorry, I don't know. We'll close the nomination and we will do a roll call. the role of Yeah, um chair mahea. Hi Commissioner Murphy. Hi Commissioner D Hill Apprent Commissioner Arhill I say no what it matter Hi Commissioner Marquesi. Commissioner Pat. I. Commissioner Rohat. I motion carried against six zero. Congratulations. Vice Chair. Our health. Our bill. All right. Smooth transition of power. That's what you think. Okay, moving on then from our reorganization to item number six, which is theavier, just so you know they won't call you honorable chair. I tried that last time. It didn't work. Oh, I'll take that under everybody. Thank you. We'll move on to the consent calendar which item A and B and just right off the top for item A. I would like to hold item A and table it for the next meeting. I had some difficulty. I usually like to listen to the audio and for some reason the audio was not leaking to the right. It kept coming up for that meeting on September 23rd and it wasn't. I give a call to Wendy and I haven't been able to rectify that so I just that's just something that I like to do So if I can just pull the the minutes for October 9th or just so that I could review them thoroughly and then go that so we can approve the November 13th Eight minutes. How do you do that? How do you do that? Listen to the other one. On the other one, I said, yeah. If you go on to the website where you go to Agenda's and it gives you our meetings, all the way to the right on the meeting, there's the download button, which will give you your packet. But just to the left is the little speaker or the camera. And if you click on the camera, it gives you the audio and you can listen to the entire meeting. And on that note, I would appreciate it if all of you really take note of where you're the position of your mic is when you speak. Because you can definitely tell the difference. What's other is he's talking to you in the mic. I'm not talking to him. Roger that. I have no idea. Yeah, I'm not sure at the time. Yeah, if it's the City Council, you can actually see the video as well as the audio for the commissions that's just audio. Okay, but it's there. Thank you. So, so learn something there. See that? Is there any issue for you for? No, so what I have been doing is I have been uploading to audio once the minutes for that many have been approved. So we're going to confirm the process of either we can upload the audio before the minutes were approved or I have to wait. So we're going to check what CityCliners office on that. Because the other thing would be, and I know in the past there would been a couple of times we're ahead of you guys and I just picked up a disc with the audio they sent me or did they email? Yeah we oh be quite honest I'm not too familiar with the time you know this but we'd be happy to consult with our City Clerk and see so that we're doing it correctly moving forward because we we have the audio version for the traffic and then the video version for our planning commission. Right. So just to keep things consistent I'd like to just inquire which is not a problem we can certainly do that. So we'll all learn on this one. So then it's okay for us to move to item B and approve the minutes for November 13th then. So with that does anybody has everybody had a chance to review them? Yes, for November 13th. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for November 13th with any changes submitted to the circuit. Okay. I have a second. First and a second. So with that, we'll do a vote. I will do it in all in favor. All in favor. Did a minute. I will abstain because I did miss the November 13th. I will abstain as well. And I will too. Well, then we're going to have a quorum. It's right. Yeah, we don't. Is it necessary? So it's not necessary to abstain for the approval of the minutes. If you weren't here for the meeting, so yeah, you can still pass it through. Okay, then I will take that and approve the minutes as approved by my fellow traffic I'll go high. We need your board on it. I think again, yeah, because we have to. Is that anything? All in favor? Yes. Hi. Hi. Okay. Well, everybody's at I-I-I-N-O-O. Now we move on to I-I-N-O-7, which is the staff report for I-I-A, the amendment to the speed hunt policy in the alleyways. And I believe, uh, I'll take over here. Okay, great thing. We're going to. So thank you, Chair Me here and congratulations for your appointment tonight and thank you members of the commission. I know it feels like it's been quite some time since we've glass met. So we bring forward here tonight, um, the amendment to the speed hunt policy to now include guidelines on alleyways. And so hence why you'll see members of our team from far hot here tonight and then Sergeant Krogan, if there's any questions that they can assist me with. But ultimately, this is really just a review to provide you. And then intentionally to have a recommendation to pass forward to our city council on the amendment of what our current policy states, which is really just on residential streets, but not necessarily on alleyways, which is a little unorthodox, and I'm comment in other jurisdictions. So this was a testament to the work that was performed by our city and traffic engineers and members of our team to put this forward to tonight. And then hopefully provide you with something that we can have a formalized policy on the alleyways. So just to kind of give you a little bit of a history, as you may recall, this was originally designed to be again, residential street speed-hung policy, right? And that was back in 2020, where it was asked of us, the city staff to come up with a policy, to be able to provide teeth to what we would be receiving from members of the public or the community on how to obtain standards for speed-home. Ultimately, this was presented months later, and what you have had before you at previous meetings That's available on the city website and that's also attached to the packet is a speed on policy And it's original or current state and then with some addition to the alleyways and so Ultimately what we're bringing here tonight is a history of what happened with what was previously installed in certain areas of the city the aforementioned apartment row area and Now what we've seen since then has been removal of those speed humps and that was primarily because they were really much degraded and outdated and I know the initial question was like why were there there in the first place and so there was a little bit of history based on request necessity but really never really had what we have now tonight which is a formal policy recommendation and so in doing so what we're trying to do is make sure that we have justification to even moving forward at the request of the community and so within, in close within this report you'll see again a summary of how the current speed on policy works. What are some of the criteria markers for consideration, some of the basic requirements or the central requirements that would be basically criteria markers for how wide the street needs to be to the volume of vehicles passing through and a percentage of the volumes that are passing through and ultimately more markers that you can see on page two. So what we did is we added for the specifically under alleyways as you can see on your attachment is that there has to be the width of 28 feet or less. There needs to be a daily traffic volume of 350 or fewer vehicles. 65% of vehicles traveling on the alleyway must exceed the speed limit of the 15 miles per hour, which is the minimum speed limit within the alleyway or maximum speed. Thank you, maximum. And then the alleyway that should not have a greater than 5%. And then last few years alleyway will be considered two segments for ingress and egress and the installation approved speed humps can be installed in half of the alleyway. If it meets the minimum requirement, the process required to start to, to this process would be approved. Speed hunt policy, just specifically within the alleyway, of course. And then all installation and removal guidelines currently must be approved and remain within the alleyway except for the mentions of speedhumps located in an alleyway. The speedhumps shall be made of asphalt only about two and a half inches to three and a half inches in height, 12 feet in width and full height shall extend to feet from the gutter and taper to joint extent existing pavement at the edge of the gutter. And then lastly, if the amendment to the speed on policy is recommended tonight and ultimately through the City Council will approve, then the next step in this process would be to have an assessment conducted in both Midtown, which was aforementioned apartment row and old town west. At the same time as the assessment, a survey will be conducted to see if 65% of the household and business adjacent to an alleyway segment approved the installation of Seedhomes. So it's basically broken into three phases if you will. You have the guidelines that we're providing you tonight. Whether or not you agree with the recommended guidelines and whether we can then process it over to our city council and then if approved at that point then what we can do is conduct an assessment that would give us one justification for the re-installation in future and also if it's necessary by doing a survey conducting within that area of the community because just as it would be for our existing guidelines for our existing guidelines for our regular speed on policy, there needs to be ultimately a majority buy-in from the community. It's not just arbitrarily we're gonna install these because you have a few handful people that want it. And so in a nutshell, these are the three tiers of how we would move forward if we were to conduct this or recommend to process this recommendation for the guidelines. That wraps up the report in itself, the fiscal impact as you can see and this is just something to keep in mind that if and when we do want to consider to move forward with installing is that each speed hump can be in the cost of $3,500 to $6,000. Hence why we come up with ulterior methods at times for common measures, for travel common measures, and is it just exclusively just speed hump that are installed. But again, that wraps up this report. I'd be happy to help answer any questions or remember our team answer any questions that you may have. There's no consideration for any other than that at all. Within the guidelines correct. Okay, at all. It's in the guidelines that I did. It's something you're not even looking at. Correct, yeah. And the reason being that's what we had a pre-fat before. And they come out of the pavement and create an issue after a while at a few-sitch. And that's why I think you put it for the maintenance purpose of operational cost. Yeah, because the city is less. The previous ones were made out of plastic. I believe they were brittle. Yeah, they had rubber stoppers at the end. They are not good. More durable. I didn't really go into it, line by line, but there's obviously, there's a polarizing perspective on speed homes. You have folks that want the speed homes and those that feel like it's more of a nuisance, or liability. And so part of the recommendation as to using the materials that it's one more durable and you can obviously have a lot more security with it than what it was previously there. A couple of questions. You said it was requested by the community. How many people requested these? Speed Humps? Yes. So, who and how many people requested this? Speedumps? Yes. So my understanding is that the request to bring these back was only because over near Tel Adeli, there was, for one, there was higher traffic volume exiting in that area and mentoring, right? And so the moment that people realized that they were no longer there, they became curious. I don't know who, I just know members of the community were calling in. So ultimately it was tasked upon us to one reconsider, why were they removed and create a policy. Okay, second question. One concern I do have is for emergency vehicles. Has anyone reached out to OCFA on this one? Because they would be the primary first responders and the event of a fire in the town. That would be a concern for them. If it wasn't done, we can certainly do that. I don't know far out of people. Generally, the alleyways on those that may not be for out of here. Generally, alleyways are not the main route for emergency vehicles. Would be the alleyways. The alleyways are not. It's only the arterial or local streets that they are main route to the emergency route. alleyways are not part of the emergency route. So they mean the fire department doesn't go to the alley together and if they go they can go through but it's not part of the process. Actually the alleyways we did a lot of research. There is no cities or jurisdiction that have a policy on speed-offs for the alley because the CVC maximum speed is 15 miles an hour and generally you want to bring it to the local industry. Therefore there is no need. But as you said, there are residents who want to see the weather. That's why we have to bring in a threshold, a criteria so we can be equal to everybody. And that's one of these processes. Sorry. Thank you. So, Arjun, do you want to weigh in from the first correspondent perspective? I don't want to go against anything but said. But I can tell you that we drive through the alleys a lot. And there are a lot of crime that happens in the alleyways. And there is, if the fire department You know fires and any of the residential areas back there. They're gonna be using the alleyways and the streets so I think it would be good to ask the fire department about that Thank you. I mean we need that respect. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. I just had a question because report says that if the council passes this amendment then the next step is to assess the alleys. So when you say I'm not clear what mean by assess. Like the meaning that whether it meets all the guidelines, like the amount of traffic? No, so part of the assessment, and I don't wanna speak for part, but part of the assessment is to establish locations, right? And want to do the official test of how many vehicles, the volume of vehicles, because it's pointless if there's not that much necessity of vehicle travels in those areas. And so this is just to have substance to what the guidelines would be to install them. But then the assessment would make it known so that what Farhaw was alluding to is this may not even be pertinent to having to do this moving forward. But the reason for having the guidelines set before it is so that you have criteria so that if and when there is an assessment and a study conducted, it's there, right? But ultimately the installation process, the communication of the community that comes after. Right, but I guess my question was because then it says you're going to assess them and then you're going to pull the adjacent, right? This is an only way to see if they want the speed homes. Correct. But that's only if they pass, if they meet the guide correctly. Correct. That's what's getting in there. Sorry, I'm going to assess it. Make sure that it meets it and then the ones that do meet it then correct. Correct. Just see if the neighboring property will be lost. Absolutely. It would be equivalents what we are doing right now with residential. For example, we had a gentleman here before that was, you know, concerned about the traffic traffic and the vehicle that was passing through the neighborhood. Yeah. We have the guidelines there to be able to guide us through that process. Then we had the ultimately we have the assessment and the speed survey and all that happened afterwards. It would be similar here. Yeah, it was a couple things. What's the life expectancy of asphalt speed hunts? For the alleyways probably five to ten years ago. I'll do that. Then is it all we're not doing? Because you mentioned Patella deli. I mean, is it possible that you just do maybe a hundred yards right here and then not do it through? Yes, that is possible. But they all don't have to be done. Correct, yeah. Yeah, it just has to meet the minimum crit here of the width. But yeah, it wouldn't necessarily be that the entire stretch of the alleyway has to have speed homes. In fact, I would point to a far-hung the question is, what the separation range would be, right? It's not like every, I don't know, 500 feet, but... On the local streets, generally they put it in 260 to 320 feet because with that spacing, you make consistent speed. Other was then you were going to pick up the speed in between. So generally, the what's we have? Foot on the local history. Now, the thing is different, what the add is? Sure. Because the number of cars are very few on the add is we do expect to 3,000 or 2,00 or $100000 on the local districts. They're $40000 or $50000 cars in the eight. So it makes a difference. As I recall the car count though, the alley between Lexington and the well was quite high in comparison to the others. I think probably due to Catella Del Lille has a large volume in my account. I don't know. I know maybe Dan remembers, but maybe not. I was actually in this room when the council decided to put those speed hubs in the alleys some 15 years ago. Yeah. So I remember it well and they walked the alley to specifically pick out the locations. So my question is, we're talking about asphalt pumps. The alley specifically there between Lexington and Noelle is concrete. So how then do you attach an asphalt speed up to the concrete? And I think that's why they went with the pre-fed because they get anchored down and that ended up being more cost effective. The problem was that the maintenance wasn't done regularly enough, that then they start to get loose, wobble, turn, you know, get torn up once they're loose. So that's my question is how do you anchor an asphalt hump to a concrete alleyway? Maybe we shouldn't have specified asphalt on the end of the decide on based on the location if there's asphalt or something. So you have an alternative. You have to see it out concrete section. Right. Yeah. The concrete section. They won't ask for, they have to remove portion and put the asphalt on there. They do the base. So that's the signers for those of the things. So if you want to be. Can we rewrite the guidelines as well, slash property and leave it up to the interviews? For other apparatus, it's cost. We have the same characteristic that is going to be one and a half days. So you don't want to even say Robert or say, so go mention as you specify your business. It's a specified by city. I've never seen stuff like that. So based on city engineers, the recommendation, that's a way. Based on the location. So that's just, that's my question. And so like I said, I watch those speedups for some time and they've actually put the most part of held up pretty well But I know that that alleyway compared to all has so More and of course we do see the the police Patrol and we do see the fire trucks come through the alley generally They're not coming and for an emergency and they they traverse through there fairly well. And having been through that process, I know back then it was taken to OCFA and speed humps on the streets were looked upon a little bit less, very, very, very favorably. But with the humps, that's exactly what they're engineered for. They're for the fire trucks to be able to use certain generally when a fire truck responds on a residential street. They're not usually exceeding the maximum speed limit. Usually they're usually coming in at maybe a mile or two over, but it's not. They're not coming at 60 down a resident street. It's just not it's not safe for them it's not safe for anybody even if there's a fire so at least that's been my experience police have a different whole different thing they have different emergencies and they they can't so I don't know how a patrol car would handle it but I would imagine much better than a fire truck but we're not talking about them just in the alleyway So so yeah, so that would be my thing is is understanding how we're going to attach to those to the concrete because I know that a lot of the alleyways have been Over the last 15 years were done. I think most of them on that stretch our concrete And so I know that can be troublesome So we can we can note that down to make that recommendation. That's an easy fix. Down there at the end. Down there at the end. So have you heard of speed tables? Yeah. So I saw these, I forget where I was, I was somewhere. And I thought they were interesting because you get on the table, all four wheels, and then you come off. And I think that might be better for him, for speed because you're not blown, you're kind of, anyway, just a thought. And then with that in mind you doesn't say how deep these are right it says it could be this deep or it could be this deep or it could be this deep it doesn't it just says how much of the street it covers and how tall they are but it doesn't say kind of to my ideas should be how white they are. To my idea should should be how white they are Well you're talking with Yeah exactly It doesn't mention um the speed hump should be made of asphalt only so we'll change that To include chairman may use comments But two and a half inches and three and a half inches in height 12 feet in width is that what you're referring to should be 12 feet in length and there is no width. Okay. No width on the surface. I don't want to mention the width because it's different for a speed homes, yes, but not for the addicts. Okay. Speed homes because you're talking, you're going to say 25 miles an hour and you want to keep the elevation to the point that is not annoyance to the driver but it will give you that 25. So the wider it is, the easier it is on the driver. So we have it in 10 to a speed table for 15 feet. So the speed table are being used generally at the intersection for the crosswalks because that's going to give the same elevation as the curve and people for the safety. They use a speed table. The speed table usually is not only for using a speed house. Not an add-is. Now, it's going to take a very wide area to build it. Very expensive anyway. That's true. But anyway, I saw that and I thought it was pretty appealing and we're talking about tonight. So I'm just to clarify that the amendment, there's no real changes except for adding the processes of installation guidelines and removal guidelines, right? Correct. Okay, so let me strike up that right. Okay, that's all I have So we can do is make a motion to, if you're all in favor, a majority in favor of approving with the recommendation of not identifying asphalt only but putting context into having sort of material to the material discretionary material however we can phrase it so that it's a little bit more You know realistic to what the location is and I do have one more question as well I know on the previous Go around they put the speed bumps. They did install the signage as well This doesn't talk about any of that. So I'm just not, is that something that will be included? Is that something that's not necessary? Part of MUTC need required what kind of signage in front of Humps has to go. Regardless of if you're putting it in an actual or the addies. Okay. The same signage has to be at Ben's signage. Okay. Also, I just want to ask. But the part of the process. It's a fair point, because that was part of the reason for removing them was because it wasn't appropriate signage. So that would definitely be part of that. Yeah, correct. Thank you. Damn. Okay, I'd like to make a motion. To amend the speed on policy to add the alleyways with the correction to allow for the engineers to determine what the characteristics of the speed hunt would be, that's real, the material for the speed hunt. That's real. The maternity for this week. Well, second. That was very good. So we have a motion in a second. Do we need a roll call? No, roll call. All in favor? Aye. All right. Okay. Recommend recommendation passes. And these are that, we are still, and several we move to item B, which is now the traffic commission status law. Okay, are you ready with items from or for the status line. Ready? So item B3, it should say traveling west on Bradbury, not east. And then I read in the minutes that you talked about this, but you said that you had to wait for the city of, you had to run it through the city of seal beach and I forget the county orange or something like that. It was it was If this is at the Sure, stick. Yeah, so they would be the county Three units section. Mm-hmm. Once I used to be each corner Then on the left side is county, frostbore, yeah, and then on the subways ours. Right, most of it is ours, so we do have to no matter how. Actually I was very disantered, just a little bit. Congratulations. As an author. There is an issue with that one, I guess everybody is complaining with Brad very indistinguishably are not enough time for them to wait too long. Yeah, wait too long. So I was observing it today on the pick-out. The wait for cross-street, most of the traffic you don't know that. But 75 seconds of weight when you hit the intersection before you get a green. And then you clear up. I didn't see any say, but it says that there are not enough green times for me to turn left or whatever. That's what I heard at the complaint. I didn't see any because you do the enough time for them to clear up the intersection. It's just the way 75 seconds it seems a lot. But that's because there are a lot more traffic. Those that have. Right. But like when there's not a lot of traffic, it doesn't turn. You just sit there and sit there and sit there. Yeah, that's the issue. Have you, there's no sense that this not long it takes. Um, I don't think it's the same amount of time, but I think when there's absolutely no traffic, it just seems longer because you think to be a sensor that would either the green light and what time of the day is this ready? I don't know the time, but I know what the issue is when there's no traffic. You have to wait. They'll drive to drive to Rossmore Road to turn left to come back. I do that now. Down to Silver's Boulevard. So it sounds like a coordination, right? It's not coordinated. I think up to Bradbury, Steve Bishop, the project between 405 and Bradbury, they did some communication. But not from Bradbury, you don't have any coordination on those. So then it's just the timing. It's just flat timing. The issue I have, I have our maintenance people, traffic signal, they went out, and they are not telling me there is anything wrong with the detection. And that's what I wanted to see and I have to look at it off peak period because peak period works fine. So after I live here I'll go there probably by that time, not that much traffic I can take a look at it to see if there is an issue then I can call the main to that. But all three of them are working the same way. That's why I don't see that there was something wrong with one. Prevary, orange, blue and the rose more. They work the same way. 75 seconds. 75 seconds. Green on the low salameter. But let me check to see if the detection is bad and then we have the slow working of that thing. Sorry. There isn't traffic. I was like, good. I do have one thing about that. During the day, I don't see that as a thing such as a issue. But at night shift, I do agree with our hope that you can wait there trying to get out of the highlands for a long time before it turns green. And there's no traffic whatsoever. It should not be. Yeah, I have one to 10 seconds for the minimum green. And I typically see it working out here. I'm like 11 to 3.30 in the morning when I see an issue where you can't. I'm glad to go in the sea. Yeah. Yeah. So, you're okay, good. No, I'm not going to get into that. I'm checking going to get into the test. I'm just checking that out. So, that's good. Because typically on a signalized intersection, you usually have what? Less than three minutes to cycle all if there's eight hundred and thirty seconds cycle. So, that's maximum of the service every direction. And so, they give priority to the main drag, right? And the side streets have to queue up and wait a little bit longer, but you should never have to wait more than usually about a minute is about. Yeah. So it wants to go as longer than that than there's a real problem. But I don't think they'll look at that. So thanks Randy. Anything else you want to grab? No, that's all right. Okay. Mission Mark Eason. I have one item E4. Question for staff. I had asked for you guys to take a look at creating two one-way streets in Midtown, one on Green Avenue and the other on Howard Avenue with Angle Park. Has anyone looked at that or where did you stand up that? Yeah, okay, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, remember we talked about AdWords stocks. Just that one. Good idea, correct. So, we're going one way with angle parking on both sides. I don't know. Ron is aware of it. All right, you're just asking. Is that what you're going to do? Is modifying the operation to bring for one way. And how is the other thing? Is a couplet which would create quite a bit more parking in a parking grow. Excuse me, in Mitel. So it was brought up as an idea, as I know Ron has been made aware of it. No action has been taken. Right. It's all published. Yeah. So I'll talk to Ron. No action has been taken. Right. It's all the books. Yeah. So. I'll talk to her on. You know, we do suffer from a lack of parking. You know, this is a good thing. So this would be one way I don't know how many spaces have been in which it's fine. But instead of parallel parking, and you get all the way down about the size, I'm thinking what has like 15 to 20 spaces on each side. We are doing that on Lake Clinton. Yes. And you are striping is going to be annual parking. Yes. And we have increased it. I have a mix sitting about those city of Pico just changed minds of street between Paramount. I don't know if you are aware of or know city of Pico. I know, Pico. They changed parallel parking to hang on all the way. Okay. And they got about 83 extra parking along the whole way. Nice. But the only problem is then you have to have a buffer for these pickup trucks or something that they parked when they want to back up. They don't see. So there are issues with either operation. So is the balance you have to consider? Well, we should make the pickup drivers pay an additional fee. You see my red straight up? I don't have an additional fee already. You see my red straight up? I'm not happy with this one. We are anything. I am an arcade fee. Right. Fahad, I would agree with you before rear backup cameras were mandated. But with backup cameras now, it's made it a lot easier for people to have a view when they're back in town. You see the operation now that I have in mind is too late. to be easier for people to have a view when they're back in the house. You see the operation now that I have in mind is two ways. But you're talking about changing the operation to one way, that makes it correct. Instead of four feet, now you have only one lane to have, so you have enough 28 feet to be able to get that parking. Then you have to think if it's going to be 90 degrees or it's going to be 60 degrees because we show you they are coming to get in because 90 degrees is a lot tougher to get in. I'm thinking sexy. I'm thinking sexy. Yeah, it's toward the one way whatever it is. It's going to be that way. Yeah, I think it can depend on what the volume is and how you're going to distribute it in the tool. It's played it into half or done. And we're talking all the way from the action to the bow bar. Both streets. Yeah? That's something that we have to discuss. It's possible they are doing. I'll just throw an plug for having the parking face the other way so that you back in and pull straight out. Yeah, pull it out and pull straight out. I saw that somewhere too and I thought it was really good. Texas? I think it was maybe Texas. Actually, it was going to be Washington. Like I drove from federal express when I was back in, much younger. And they teach you to back in first because you see everything as you approach instead of getting in your car and then backing out. You saw how I started the parking lot right? Yeah, I know, I'm a little good at that, that's right. I know. Good. And Bruce, can I get on the... Yeah, I just did update on the e-bike plan. It was me part of my reports, but I'd be happy to comment on that. So e-bikes, as I understand, is going to be presented by a police department on February City Council meeting. And the February City Council meeting and the recommendations that was provided by the trap commission was passed on to police department. So once that agenda report and packet is available for the February City Council meeting, I would encourage you to take a look at it or attend the City Council meeting, of course, or be with from home. But that's the that's the plan is that it'll be presented in February. Okay. Okay. So, Bob, for any cover on items, I think it's good. Okay. I don't have anything on the status log. So we can close the status log, item V, and move on to item number 8, which is the development services department. Thank you, Chair Mahia. I'll go ahead and cover the majority of these. I'll start with the ribbon cutting ceremony at Laurel Park. It's taking place tomorrow at four o'clock. And if you haven't seen some of the promotion of the ribbon cutting ceremony, but it's basically to celebrate with the community, the renovation to the Tansquartz, and that now will include Pickleball Quartz as well on the west end of the court. And so it's looking very nice in terms of the enhanced aesthetics to it, some redesign, you have some little canopy areas, so that players can sit under the resurfacing, of course, and then new fencing, so I would would encourage if you're available to come by it's tomorrow at 4 o'clock. What we're doing as a department or really as a city is really trying to celebrate a lot of the advancement of projects whether it's street related projects, park improvements, in this case lower park tennis courts and so we're doing ground breaking ceremonies on the front. And so we're doing ground breaking ceremonies on the front end, and then we're doing ribbon cutting ceremonies on the back end. And so it's invited for the community, members of the community council commission to attend. So if you're free, please stop by. Are you turning trees to keep leaves off the courts? That is part of the landscaping plans. Yes, that should be. We have a new landscaper that's going to be starting in the coming weeks. So yes We can certainly do that. They're trip hazards when you have leaves on the court How are the lights going to work for the tennis court? Is that they on Daily for hours or they my guess is that they have a function where you can press button automatically to stay on. They're not necessarily censored to come on at a certain point and that's just to ensure that you don't have to whistle. Organized activity. So yeah So the next item that I'd like to share these are all sort of function event related the next one is our good evening Los Alamedos event and as you recall we have these by annually each year and in this one It's gonna be Tuesday January 28th from 6.30 to 8. It's gonna be held in the community center and this one's gonna have sort of a feature of recognizing achievements of the past and celebrating as we move forward some of the exciting projects on the horizon programs on the horizon and so among other things it'll be really an opportunity to have the community come out Ask questions meet city staff Learn more about what's happening in the city in the coming year some cities call it like a state of the city and we've done that in the past but this one's not so much a state of the city so much as a again an accomplishment of past programs and projects and then looking forward ahead. So it's pretty exciting and that's the Tuesday January 28 28th at 6.30. You should have all received an invitation by our city clerk's office for the commission dinner and that's gonna be held on February 10th, at 7 p.m. and it'll be held in the community center. And that's for all commissioners across the different platforms, those that are outlawing those are incoming. So it's a nice way to just say thank you. I believe my first year when I was at the city, we did a dinner at Brook Kitchen House as a formal thank you around all the days. So this is kind of taking a shift or a shape into doing more of a... And you said at the community? At the community center, yes. And did it go to our city email? Yeah, it would have gone. So if you haven't received the actual invitation, one, I'll make sure I'll circle back. I'd be happy to pass it along, but if you're having complications with your email, I know it's not just Mr. Hill, there's others. We can try to work on making sure that that gets corrected otherwise will do as we'll call a remind as well We are SVP right now in person. You can certainly do that. Yeah, the the email is to RSVP to our city clerk's office with I think there's a call out for a guest Yes, plus one. Yeah, so if we can get that after the meeting I'd be happy to We don't have to do it as a formal setting get that after the meeting I'd be happy to we don't do it as a formal setting as part of the meeting we do it offline. And the email was set once by whoever the city clerk and then again by Ron so it was set twice. I also did notice that it's we're being requested to wear specific colors, either black or white. It's encouraged. Yeah. I'm not sure it's pink. You're going to read black. Yeah, it's encouraged. I'm not going to say that they're not going to let you in the building if you're not wearing the recommended colors. But it was just part of the theme. Sure. I skipped over that part. Your socks will get it covered. There's ways that you can access your eyes. So then a few more things. We'll talk about the E-bike. That doesn't be a, you know, just a notice that it's going into this February City Council meeting. We also have our online parking permit presentation to the City Council meeting. We also have our online parking permit presentation to the City Council meeting in February. And then I was going to touch on Los Angeles Boulevard with the addition of the bike lane and that we understand that it's created a change in vehicular behavior and response to how folks drive up and down Los Angeles Boulevard. So we recognize that there is a change in pattern and behavior and just maybe some complications throughout your commute. There also has been a lot of benefit and value to the fact that we have the dedicated bike lanes and we are working, I should say, they're working hard on making sure that there's enough notice and there's delineators that are going to prevent perhaps cars going into it. So it's a change in behavior, it's an adjustment and it's happening gradually and we anticipate that in the next month it'll give us the true picture as to how that's going. But we've heard everything from you know it's confusing, it's slowing down, but I hope you understand too that it's intended for safety and for really making sure that it's for our bicyclists, but also potentially for e-bikes, right? So it gives them the opportunity to go up and down. And something that Ron wanted to mention, he always says he's been in the city for 25 plus years. And graduate from Los Angeles High School is that you have folks like that right that have gone up and down the street and so when they see this they're like it's like a shock and so maybe it promotes more of the user for which is part of our ATP plan to have more ride share bicyclists use that way. What I will tell you is I've been observing the northbound boulevard right turn on to cerritos. Ever since we put that in. And I'm here to tell you that for the most part, people are compliant, but I still see people going into that green lane and making a right turn in their vehicles. I think we've talked about adding an additional ballad. We ordered it. Try to narrow that a little bit. So only my secoon. You see that, the risk is conflict. So that's on order. Yeah, awesome. That was awesome. That was awesome. It's, yeah, we're going to do at least, but this is a clearly traffic violation. Yes. It is walked as a Micrain and is only eight feet wide People still use it No matter what you do there are people going over the K-71 and go there some people just don't get it But this is the change in life So you'll have to accommodate both all kinds of transportation. Now, congestion is not an issue anymore. It's not even an impact in environmental. His vehicle miles traveled. So by doing a bike when you're reducing your vehicle miles, travel with a car, therefore an explosion. So the people have to realize that. That's how we are going to go for the future. And this is clearly marked. Absolutely. But adding an extra ballerick will help you because right now a straight correct one additional one, we are right before you enter. I agree. We'll make it so that people correct. Don't even do that. We are dabbling the number of K-701. Right now, they're 15 feet apart. You're putting it 7 and a half. And putting an additional one on the corner with the elbow you're local driving. Right. So people don't go in there. Oh, no. Very good. right, people don't go in there. Although, if I can just say something, I have a high school daughter, so you can only imagine that. I got a lot of angry parents talking to me about what happened. And it's very specific to the right term at Sermitos. I think what I thought was going to happen if people are not getting accustomed to the change. I didn't hear any of that. I think everybody's supported. It's what I kept hearing the angry parents is about the right term because now it wasn't dedicated right and now it's upright and it's very short. And so what happens is basically you reduce the through traffic to one lane because I don't know how to, if you know how to drop off works, you know, most of the everyone who goes to Los Alps going north on the Los Alps Boulevard, the students are turning right to get into the parking lot, the parents part in the right lane to go straight to the drop off on Cerritos. And now, because the kids are crossing, the right turns are held up. And before you could avoid that, but now everybody who's in that, so now you have everybody who's turning right and wants to go straight to the drop-up all in the same lane. And so it's added a lot of time to get to school. And I know my daughter, there's no one more anger than my daughter who's now a Chicago league. Fifth term, it's earlier a wake up her, and then she had to. And I'm like, oh well, so what? Feel it with it, tell mom. Anyway, that's, I just wanna be just letting you know that specific issue that I was going to tell you. Tell me, any questions about that? Throw in the paint. Yeah? Yeah? Change it. It's interesting. Oh, Randy, it's interesting. Yes, or the same thing but different so can we not Have a stopback so that cars can go to the right and make a right turn Say that again pull off the last two ballers or three ballers so that people can That's the same. Because the conflict between the bikers. Well, when you see a biker in there, let me know. I heard that from the school, someone sent me a thing that they are using it. Students are using it a lot more. That's what I heard. And I think as part of ATP, that's what it is. If you get it did they'll come yeah, and I think With the changes you're going through the downtown with the finest street thing ATP and through the risk of Using that a lot more. Okay, I did have a question when it was first installed, and I never really got an answer to it, you're the right person to answer. I don't understand why we did the Boulevard to Cerritos differently from the Boulevard South onto Floresta or going straight. If you look at the Polkaan South at your Rister, what happens is the bike lane comes out and then goes across and cars get in the right turn lane to go right on the right Rister. We didn't do that at Serega. Well, the key is when you're approaching to, you have a right lane from Slorista, then you're reducing the three lanes to two lanes north of Slorista on the Bolloward. Remember, because you used to have three lanes and then council said, no, we want two lanes or whatever before. And that's why we changed the marriage from Catalan orpah to Fulhorista to push everybody to two lanes and separate them then they go right to Fulhorista. Southbound doesn't have that condition, but you have three lanes after Fulhorista, South of Fulhorista. So you can go to. So that's the reason why you did it the way you could. Correct. You give him a reduction in the number of names going north by. Is that right? It's the lowest traffic down in the city of Michigan. Yeah. And he's already... I guess it is what it is. No, I'm driven Yeah. And he's all over the place. Yes, and he's all over the place. No, I've driven it. I mean, I heard the complaints, and I get it. It's like, double the time to go to school. I mean, it would be like 15 minutes now it's happening out. No exaggeration. Like, you just don't move at the keep, at the keep part. I mean, what school gets in? It's all done. But I will tell you what I've done coming up from the town sector, Yuri Rashal, which is Justice Bay. I'm in the morning. I take a ride on Falkway. I go down to Bloomfield. I take Bloomfield's right out of the By Street on San Bernido. And I go left. I have learned all that. Just go to the local traffic. The people here come playing, they are not resident. Because they have to wait more to go northbound. I'm just sad. So those are the one come playing more catcher. So, you have to care for the real Sen Amidus. Just go to the parking lot. Go through a parking lot. Not them come. They do that. Don't say that. That's what they do do that. I've seen something faster than order. Not going to do that. You go right. You go right. All right. I think that people will figure it out, like you adjust. And then you find alternate routes but I think it's going to be going through more residential streets. Yeah, correct. Okay, well you really stirred it up there. I was going to ask about it and I saw the flurry of comments on social media about the heat. It's a pork chop again. It is. It's a pork chop again. So, it's a good idea. The good news is that people, we're all watching. So continue to watch because we're the best eyes and ears that they can have out there. And that's the only way to change is by paying attention to what's going on in hearing the community, you know, in person. So that way the people who are traveling on those are downtown area or whatever we call it, is lower speed. Therefore they can look at the retail and this thing. That's one of the things that benefit for reducing the name, complete the streets or for those that you give more chances to people to see what is available. Otherwise they were going. Good for tax-based. Okay, so anything else from the development services? That completes my report, thank you. So now we move on to item number nine. Item number nine is traffic commissioning in and she is in service. Any commissioner can bring forward an item item not included on the agenda. And I'll see anybody have anything they want to bring up. Yes. Yes. Any down there? Yeah, I see her. See me. So I'm sorry I missed a couple meetings. So I don't know on the issue with the backup traffic from the St. Headwicks through Brad Mary, that intersection. Are we good with that? Did the No You Turn Lane solve it? Has there been any more complaints about it? I've never seen any. I think it went away after a couple of weeks of school started. It doesn't want monitoring that because of the residents who brought that up. Right, okay. All right, thank you. Okay. First, yeah, you're working on that book. Ron said they're working on a handbook. How we doing on that? So the Commissioner handbook, latest side I understand is that there's conversations between our department and City Clerk's office, one to review the old previous Handbook and to update it with what we are hoping to accomplish across all commission. So don't know where we are on that other than I imagine that that's going to be presented in the coming meetings so that we can have something tangible. Along those lines is there going to be a clause or is there now a clause for attendance at these commission meetings? So I believe that you there is something along the lines of if you don't if you don't have or communicate If you missed I don't I don't quote me on this, but I believe if you miss a series of meetings consecutively without communication I think it's three then yes without communication. Yeah, but That's up to per debate have to be there, but they do have to be here, as we're hanging anything down. Yeah, I understand that. So, yes, that's the existing guidelines, but that's up to debate to see if we can change it. We have people who move very chemists. No. Yeah. A lot of my neighbors on the Wall Street, and there's a person who commits requirements for Sunday evening only. They're asking anybody to have it for the whole. Who wants all the money for the whole once all the time. And it's not really going to be about requesting it. There's an existing process in which they need to get, I forget the number of signatures on the block. And then they submit it to the city. The question is, there there anything existing across the city? As a signature of apartment renters or owners of the apartment? I think we ran into this issue before with the, when we were considering the handicapped lane, and it has to be the owners, because I don't believe the renters would have necessarily the same amount of cloud as an owner would in terms of their I just think the turnover rate of renters you know But I'm not preppy to that I can find out if you'd like Mission Murphy. I think we should find out because that was also a question on when we notify residents on things who actually gets notified exactly. And street work and things like that. So I think it's easy to put both the owner and the residents. But I think we need to get an answer on that one way or another. The other thing I have is the daylight law. I think we're all kind of familiar with it. You got that email today, you're sure, right? Yeah, I'm sorry. How you pronounced choice last time? Wogoo. Wogoo? Okay, he's parking in the city. I made copies of it, but if you'd like it, just so you can kind of see what it is. It's kind of, you turn up a 20-feet thing? Yes, yeah. From corner. The A, B? Yes, yeah. From corner. The AB413. Yes. Yes. I print this to you. I print this to you. This is a great thing. Yeah, we have it. Yeah, I give it to you. That's a big thing. Yeah, we have it. Yeah, I got to give you that. I really don't make any discussion. Just for information only. There's one on the back. There's a drawing on the back. Basically, one of this is to allow people to be at the sea on your coming cause. That does not have to be red marked or anything like that. Across wall or across wall. No, we're definitely familiar with it. I know that this has been a point of discussion between police department or department. Is the windage of defect on gender? It did go on effect this month correct. We're taking the stance of education first because it's, no actually did have an update really about red curve painting. Just ultimately that was completed citywide. But we're not in necessarily the cap of wanting to put notices at every corner and paint appropriate signage at every corner. It's just it's too cumbersome and costly. And so in partnering with our police department, it's really just gonna be education and a lot of information. I did see a video along this with that. Every jurisdiction is handling it uniquely with their city. Some are having those installation of notices, but it's best to imply that because of the, through the education that, through this new law, that it's essentially the size of a core and a half, and that is really a amount of space that you have to leave clear. And so some cities are just doing enforcement right away, we're not necessarily doing that. We want to be able to at least convey to people that this is happening. And I don't want to speak for the police department how they're handling it directly. But I know that it's going to be a very gradual information educational process first. I talked to it with you shooting warnings. Yeah, we're doing warnings for a little bit. Obviously it's a new law. I don't know what this being talked with are added to all that stuff, but maybe your recommendation will paint the curve red for 20 feet? I know it's a lot, right? Yeah, a lot of money. Yeah, it really it was thank you it was it was a consideration but ultimately just with the size of the city I mean obviously we're small but there's so many areas that you'd have to do that It would just be if we were to do that it would have to be very very gradual Because as it is trying to keep up with the general maintenance, which is mentioned red curb It's it's definitely costing a lot of it is done in house, and we still have the map hard to do that. So when we're talking about doing this, I'm sorry, Randy, and we're talking about going gradual, do they have an idea at what point warnings are not sufficient? Not tonight, but I'd be happy to follow up to the next meeting. I would be happy to follow up to the next meeting. I'd be happy to follow to the next meeting. I think that once you do you give it whatever it is, the three months or six months or whatever. State law says after 2025, you can keep tickets. And it's only on that approach, good of course, not the way from it. So other cities don't do anything on the regular street unless they hear complain. But major streets we do. Sure. They're a paint. We're there. But the law doesn't say you have to do anything. It doesn't tell you how to sign it. How do you feel? It's just like 15 feet for the fire hydrant. You have to just walk it out. It's the same kind of situation. So, okay. Interesting comments. Well, first of all, I didn't realize there was only for the approach. Correct. That's interesting. Oh, and what I was going to say was, you know, really, I think there's only a couple of neighborhoods that really believe it, that are parking him, that the rest of the city, I don't think they're going to care one way or the other. So I don't think you need to look at it as a entire city project. So do we have to enforce it and cite people? No, it's not the vendors. It's, I mean, to be fair, it is awful there. And a space and a half, I mean, with that, when you're circling the neighborhood at 10 o'clock in the night, and you're trying that, I'm just fine. You know, I just have a little compassion there. I don't live there, but I do, you know, I do see it. I mean, it's a real, real... Do we have to? The question for her, at least part of it, please. There's discretion out there. I don't know. We can decide the side or not. But my big thing is, is you let someone do one thing and you don't cite them for it, then they're going to start doing other things. So, you really want to get into that. They're not enforcing this. So, we can do this, then we're not enforcing this, and it just gets the cookie crumbles down the belly and start doing that. It is a pain in the butt to see cars in the midtown coming the other way when there are cars walking basically the the handy cap ramp down the the curves and all that stuff so you got to think more for people that people who build chairs and can't really walk and you got cars that are parked on the corner and all that kind of stuff. I'm not speaking about like, because I know what you're talking about. I live in Carrier Road, so I drive through there a lot and I'm not really referring, because I have seen this, the people who literally parked right there, like at the corner. I mean, like literally the corner. And those people I never see a ticket on those cars. But that's an obvious, that's really outrageous and kind of different than what the law is. I'm not saying I'm all in favor of this new law, because now you've got people in carrier row that can't park directly in front of their house because they're close to an intersection like that. Yeah, yeah. They're, you know, it's now taking that parking spot directly in front of the house that they bought. Right? So I understand it. It's unfortunate. I don't want to question you. So if you get, eventually, if we do CYR, you just very discriminate. When you say, I guess, are those citations of, you can't appeal that, right? Yeah, they appeal it through the parking citation and it actually comes to be. And I can dismiss it. Oh, you're, they go, through the parking citation and it actually comes to be And I could dismiss. Oh, you're really good. Okay. Is it I get your car Yeah, because I mean this point before I mentioned you with the law I get it but it's like how it, the fact that she's like, no one knows, right? Like the average citizen who's gonna know that you can't do this without signing the red. And so to me, as it is before, if I got a ticket, I would go saying, how was I to know this? There's no question, there's no right, I think it'd be dismissed. But obviously, now I know what's you. I mean, that know, there's so many laws that come out every year, every election, and it's hard to keep up with that stuff, but that's why I think it's, I know it costs money, but either red curves or some sign, you know, hey, you can't part of 20 feet from this sign or wear, right? You know, there's got to be something where people can. You know, so. But then again, it comes down to education. We need to be aware of what's going on. Ignore it. That's how they learn. We're just limited to the neighborhoods that are where it's really, you know, but what you're talking about is people who are parking next to the curb. You don't care if it's only two feet. Right, the car is just a little bit. You don't have to be measuring anything, you know? But if it's 15 feet, who cares? Because you're trying to clear the path for vision. I do have a recommendation for staff. What about using the website to put out a blur for a couple of weeks on this new daylight? That's one way of reaching people. Another way would be to print hangars, doigons, and put them on people's dollars. No, I can't get it. Yeah, I can assure that's part of the process of the education. All kinds of promotional methods that we do normally, whether it's website, social media, or anything. But for this position. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Not it's good. Thank you. So one of the things I think you might remember, Dan, when we reviewed the residential marking permit plan, we had a lot of residents that wanted to keep the signage, but not enforce it, right? And so it's not good practice to have restrictions out there and then ask our police officers not to enforce these laws that are on the boat for these restrictions. And so you start with the cookie crumble thing. And so the people that are parking around the corner on that curve. They know very well. It's just that things... I'm not condoning those people. Right, no. But as things have gotten laxer and laxer, people start to push the limits, right? We all know you don't park in front of a fire hydrant, right? And still people start to encroach on that 15 foot distance. It's human nature. But as soon as the ticket starts to come out, yes you're going to have people complain, yes you're going to have people but eventually that's how you actually curb the thing. And I agree with you the parking is an issue but on the other hand, one spot is not going to even phase. It's just not enough to really make a difference. It's really wide. Yeah, I run that corner every day because I live over there. And with cars parked there, even in my truck, which is substantially higher than the normal. It, you have to be very careful. And with a car right there on the radius, it's even harder. And then add the fact that every day, 20 times a day you've got an Amazon truck you've got a UPS truck an a FedEx truck stopped in mid-block and so you have a lot of other things that are drawing your attention and so the last thing you need is a car hard for it's not supposed to. Do we want to go to the gym guys? I don't know that we have to. We're just entertaining ourselves at this point. It's good to be well versed on this because you're going to get questions and it's good to be able to talk about it. It's going to be part of the notification process because People are going to be asking all of us about it. And it does. Make current. So. Okay. I don't have anything for chapter commission initiated business. Yeah. Didn't I already ask you? Yes. Yeah, did Mike R.A. ask you? Yes, he does. I would like to agenda a discussion about painting the curves that are associated with the daylight law or sun and also, please. Thank you. I like the idea, but for me, I think it's premature. We haven't started to notify our residents yet. I think some message boards and some signs. A couple of signs for GGG. The place can be part of this. It might be part of it before we start spending a lot of money. We GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG them and made a lead to Red Curve? I would support that. I would support that too. Thank you so much. I have just not a limit. Good for you to want to re-work the lunch and then? Well, I asked to agenda that, agenda is that item and would you include steps taken and where we stand as part of that agenda. I don't know. That time we could discuss options and see where we end up. Okay. So, need a second that? Yes, sir. I'll say that. No, not for a agenda. I don't believe it. I don't know. I don't think so. No. Okay. That will include our Traffic Commission initiated business. Or I don't even do a jury. So I'm going to have to take control of these.