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Congratulations to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Okay. Let's see here. We're going to open public comment on the consent agenda. Are there any changes to the board agenda? Madam Clerk. no. No changes. Okay, no changes. So we're gonna open the public comment on the consent agenda, and I am going to start with Jeff Lee and followed by Chuck Ott, please. Good morning Chair Ortiz Lagan, Honorable Board Members. My name is Jeff Lee, and I'm here to my capacity as the board chair for the five cities homeless coalition and here to speak on item number 29. So first of all, thank you to the county for advancing this RFP and choosing the coalition to be a recipient of these funds to provide homelessness prevention services to the South County. As a recovering elected official, I know the challenges that you face trying to allocate resources to worthwhile and necessary programs. By allocating resources towards homeless prevention services, you are acknowledging that helping individuals and families stay in their homes is an economical and beneficial way to reduce the possibility that they will become homeless. However, as I'm sure you realize, the current level of state and federal uncertainty is likely to increase the number of people that are experiencing homelessness. And that means it is highly likely that today's allocation will be insufficient to cover the 15-month term of this contract, which runs from April 2025 through June of 2026. At the coalition's current rate of providing these services, it is likely that today's allocation will be completely expended in only approximately three to four months. So while we do say a big thank you, and we ensure you that we will use these allocation wisely, we ask that you again revisit the overall shortfall in homeless services resources and appreciate the opportunity to be part of those conversations. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Before we go on any further, I want to just highlight again our quotas civility here and that one of the things that we have on the back of our yellow pages that, you know, constructive disagreement is welcome, courteous, listening to be able to talk about the staff members. The staff members are not going to talk about the staff members. The staff members are not going to talk about the staff members. The staff members are not going to talk about the staff members. The staff members are not going to talk about the staffated pass robles and live on a well. I'm here to ask that you guys table your groundwater sustainability consent agenda item. To further look into more representative democracy, the issues going to be very contested, get already is. And I'm hoping that we get our representative or our supervisor for our district to be the director of this. That person is responsible for our district. Has stake in our district and is elected by people from our district. Not somebody from outside of our district. We'd like to control it from within or at least be able to negotiate where it goes from here. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Odd. Sister Teresa. Yes, Mark can go first if that's what you were, sister. Yes, thank you. Okay. Go ahead, Mark. Mark Conner. Thank you, Supervisor. Yes. I got new glasses and I can see you now, but I can't see the paper in front of me, so I apologize. Good morning, members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Mark Conner. I'm president of Restority partners and the president for the last 10 years. And I've seen restorative partners grow and do tremendous things in this community. Today I'm here to express strong support for the proposed partnership between the County of Salon and Subispo and restorative partners for the home Key Grant Application. This initiative aligns perfectly with our county's strategic plan to address homelessness and enhance housing stability. The project is called Healing and Restorative Campus, HARC. The HARC project involves requiring and rehabilitating the devolved ranch property to create permanent supportive housing for individuals experiencing homelessness, particularly those with justice involvement. especially in the context of our county, the individuals that are already there, that have no other, that because of other issues and their justice involvement really have no place else to go. And we're dedicated to maintaining their home, their place to stay and their place to recovery and grow. The 72 acre campus will provide up to 34 supportive housing units, focusing on comprehensive services that include education, vocational training, and social enterprises. This approach not only addresses housing needs but also fosters economic self-sufficiency and community integration. The benefits of this partnership, enhanced housing stability. By leverage, home key funding, we can significantly increase the available supportive housing, which is crucial for reducing homelessness in our community. Specialized services, restorative partners offers expertise in addressing complex needs, particularly for justice involved individuals ensuring tailor support for successful reintegration into society. And the community impact, the project promotes a safer and more inclusive community by providing on-site social enterprises and quality job opportunities for the individuals that will be living there and maintaining themselves. Financial Home Key Grant Funding will support property acquisition, rehabilitation and supportive services. Restority Partners is committed to securing non-Home Key operating funds for at least five years to ensure its long-term sustainability. And in conclusion, the partnership between the county and restorative partners for the home key grant application is a crucial step forward in our efforts to combat homelessness. It aligns with our strategic objective, enhances housing stability and supports vulnerable populations that the board is well aware of. Thank you, Mr. President. And I thank you. Oh, sorry, I see three minutes. Yeah. Yeah, thank you. I can't read. You know, this is an important item for you all. OK, let's go back and I'll put you in the Q-NOW, sister T, but I'll go next to Gary Kirkland, followed by Sister Theresa. Okay, so Gary, want to come on up, sir. Please. Yeah, I know, I surprised you. Thank you, Gary Kirkland from Tascar. Two items. Item 13 is who's supposed to be on this water district, the new level of government. That's what we need in this country is more government. I think the people that should be on it are John Pashong and Heather Moreno because they represent the people in that district. I think the wrong person is being appointed director by the staff, the recommendation of the staff. On item 29, I guess, is about the homeless issue. And the government, both state, local, and federal government have spent billions of dollars trying to solve the homeless problem, and it's gotten worse. Their goal may be to increase homelessness by the record of what they've done. What I recommend is that government get out of the homeless business and allow the faith community to take over and solve the problem. It's their calling. It's not government's calling. It's the calling of the faith community to house the homeless. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Sister Teresa, please followed by, we will go with after that, we'll go with George Tracy. Go ahead, sister Teresa Harpen, Restored a Partners Executive Director. So I just want to say thank you. Thank you for this opportunity to collaborate once again with our county, who always puts at the top of the list priority, those that are most vulnerable in our community, and this is the case again. Thank you for coming to the plate, batting with us, and hopefully we got a home run with this new home key project. Thank you and God bless you. Thank you, sister. We need it. So, um, okay. And the next was, I think I had you, sir, Mr. Tracy. Please welcome and come on up. And then followed by Mr. Tracy, we will have Biz Dineberg. Thank you. Good morning. My name is George Tracy. I am an independence ranch. There's two things I want to discuss about I am 13. Mr. Gibson does not live in the district. He is not cognizant of the issues that is going on in the district. And because of him not being in the district, I suggest that you hold this appointment until you get someone who is living in the district. Heather Moreiner does live in the district, and thankfully she will be the alternate. Four of the five people who are on the memorandum of acceptance agreed to join the joint powers. What happens to the fifth? I really don't know and it's not really said what is happening to the fifth. Secondly, we are supposed to do a 218 vote for the members of the county. Is this going to be a two thirds vote or is this going to be a 50% plus one vote? Because it's going on property taxes, I suspect it's going to have to be a two-thirds vote simply because anything that's on a property tax has to be approved by a two-thirds vote. I believe that the new joint powers association without the San Miguel district involved is going to fail. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Mr. Dynberg, and then we'll follow by the district attorney, Mr. Dow. Good morning, Chairperson Ortiz Lagan, members of the board. My name is Biz Steinberg, and I work at the Community Action Partnership Capslow. And I'm pleased this morning to speak on behalf and in support of 29 and 30. As you know, this county has a regional area. all support each other in our the roles of serving and trying to reduce the issue of homelessness for people in our community. So I'm in support of both Echo and Five Cities receiving your prevention dollars and then I am very proud to be here to support restorative partners today and thank I want to thank the county for collaborating with sister Teresa and her board of directors. We collaborate. They are part of the coordinated entry now and over the years, if it's 10 years, seems longer, Sister Teresa has certainly been able to show what can be done to help those in our community that are just just involved. So I just wanna be here to thank you for this collaboration and I just checked with George and I'm in Sacramento next week. So I need to know who to talk to there. But thank you and let's keep these kinds of collaborative projects going. Thank you, Ms. Timber. Mr. Dow. Good morning, Madam Chair and members of the board. I also want to rise in voice of support for item number 30, the Home Key Program application for our community. As you know, the justice system depends on the community to help restore and return people back to a productive life in our community in order for us to be safe. And we have in the past had a remarkable partnership with sister Teresa and her organization. People returning to the community from prison that are dealing with addiction, dealing with needing a place to live, needing really a support in a framework that they can bounce back into the community successfully, have done so successfully through the work of Sister Teresa and Restorted Partners. And without her programs, I would argue that we are much less safe because the individuals who need their support to return to productivity go back to their old habits, unfortunately. They're back circles that they had before and socialize with others that will bring them down as opposed to lift them up. So I strongly support item number 30. I appreciate the county's willingness to co-apply for these funds that I think are critical. The DeVal Ranch is a very appropriate location where it's already been involved in this work for so many years. So thank you. And again, I hope it's a, I would assume being on the consent agenda, it'll be a 50 vote to support it. And anyone who's, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Let's go to Karine Schuster. And then we'll go to Wendy Lewis after that. Morning, everyone. Good morning. Hi. My name is Corin Schuster and I am a resident of Pasarobles and I live in the county area what they call the Jardine community. So I'm here to talk about item 13 which I believe believe pertains to the water basin over Paserobles. So it seems that it be logical that supervisors who represent the majority of those directly impacted be in the lead role. That is the supervisor from District One and District Five. The proposed director, supervisor Gibson from District Two, whose district does not sit on the Paserobus water basin. I respectfully request that the lead role be director from either District 1 or District 5, and that the other be the alternative. We truly do count on each one of you to manage this home for all of us here, this home of the County of San Luis Obispo with integrity. I thank you and I really thank you for all the work that each of you do because I know it's an everyday challenge. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Schuster. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to to show support for item 29. Echo will be one of the recipients, but I also want to share my appreciation for five cities homeless coalition. They've been administering these type of funds throughout the county for many, many years. And as the continuum care has enhanced to support more people facing homelessness, it is now shifted where we'll be able to directly disperse these type of funds in North County. But they have been the heavy lifters on this for years. I want to definitely share our thanks homeless prevention funds are one of the key factors in not only keeping someone in housing, but preventing all of the traumas. Someone can face by experiencing homelessness. So far this year, Echo has supported 109 households, individuals and children in getting back into housing, but also out of that 108, 9 were through homeless prevention. So those funds really are the one of the most important pieces of keeping somebody from facing the traumas that homelessness brings. And so we just want to share our appreciation to the homeless services department, the board for the continuing support, and just everybody coming together to really solve or try to solve this complex issue. I also want to also invite folks if you want to be part of providing solutions and supporting Echo and the people we serve. We have a huge fundraiser in April, empty bowls, so we would love the community to find out more and be part of that. And just again, our appreciation for the board, the county's continued support, and the work that is being done by all of us, including cap slow appreciate Biz and her support of this as well. And we just were all coming together to really bring solutions. So thank you so much for the opportunity. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Ms. Lewis. Greg Graywall. And then we will have Mr. Brown, I think. Good morning, Board. Thank you. My name is Greg Graywell. First I'd like to start with this is the Brown Act. And I want to make sure that everybody understands that public testimony is on page 18 and 19. And I have the right. And so does everybody else to criticize anybody on this board, the board, any of its procedures or anything it votes on. Then I have a letter here. First, I'd like to, this is on item 13 and about the non-representation of the people that live over the basin by a representative that doesn't live over the basin. So I would have some criteria on what have you done since you've been there. This is a letter that's almost a year old that was sent from the DWR to Mr. Reilly who's sitting in the audience about your last annual report that has failures and it add acquissies. Here we are ready for the next annual report. And there's no time for corrections because you have five months to do the report and you wait until there's two weeks left before you have to turn it in. That's unacceptable, but that's under leadership. Then we have Section 9 of the MOA. You want to be in a JPA? Well, first you have to submit from Section 9 withdrawals and terminations. Where is your letter saying that you want to withdraw from the M.O.A.? You have to send that to all the other members that take 30 days. You've never met in two years and acted as the board of the GSA here so the constituents could come down and give their concerns about what they would like their representative to do. So your failures are no GSA meetings, no outreach to the public except one meeting, two and a half years after you get a grant, two weeks before Christmas. That also is unacceptable. You're not following the GSP. The GSP stated certain projects that were supposed to be done. Instead, you spent $7.6 million on conceptual projects That have all failed not one of the blended water projects all you did was pay consultants and your hired friends And gone along with the people who gave you donations for your campaigns You've done nothing for the people that live over the basin you act like like there's some great thing that's going to happen with water. When the city of Paz of Robles continuously waste over 5,000 acre feet in Nasi mental water instead of putting it to beneficial use. Okay, that's 10 years, that's 50,000 acre feet. I could solve this problem in 30 minutes. Don't need to join a JPA. So, 9-2 section says you have to have a unanimous written agreement to get rid of the M.O.A. Samagel's not agreeing with you. The M.O.A. just doesn't magically disappear. It's a legal document. So, you want to be in some other deal? That's fine. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Graywell. Okay, Mr. Brown. Good morning, Madam Chair, board members, Mike Brown representing Colab, consent item seven is to give 350,000 to the Cal Poly hot house for building renovation. I don't know if that was in the budget last year. I know you've got this economic development slush fund with the $1090 money, but this is kind of a capital project and maybe it should require a four fifths vote. It's not for the program. You already gave them $200,000, two weeks ago. It's been going for at least 10 years. And you've got no longitudinal data about how many of the firms they created have stayed two years, five years, ten years, and how many people they're employing now. They give you a year-by update, which is mainly work efforts, not long-term performance. So you don't even know if this program actually works in some meaningful way. And then as to item 13, again, I concur with the other speakers. This is a huge problem. You ought to pull that item and have a real discussion about the water policy and what's going on and let the residents of the area, the 8,000 overliers that are being ignored in this whole discussion here, come and speak. And then at item 28, you have a $4.7 million grant that staff recommends you get with the purpose of giving at risk or elderly people who are at risk for homelessness $750 a month for a year. I don't know what happens when the cliff comes after that. But also if you look at that program, there's two new staff people being proposed for a quarter of a million dollars. There's consultants being proposed for more money and then some overhead money. So the ratio to spend $750 a month on these elderly people is going to cost a million and a half dollars, which doesn't seem like a very efficient program. And you ought to pull that one and get some hard answers about, you know, somebody might say, oh, let's state money, we don't care, but it's our tax money. And you ought to be more rigorous in analyzing these things, and they're just not slush to give away. Thank you very very much and I'm available for any questions. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Mr. Clayton I think is. Clayberg. Tom Clayberg. Sorry, I didn't give you advance notice. Thank you, board of supervisors. Water is a big deal and I just want to say thank you because you got a water moratorium no drilling and I live out in Creston and well actually seen past troubles but there's a great big rig. I think it was 20 inches across. They were set up in the middle of the night working in the day and I go, this is on sound good, but they went away. That's what I'm trying to say. They weren't a local company, they weren't Phil Pony Thompson, I'm saying somebody put up some money to do that illegally and it went away. I just want to say thank you for keeping on, keeping on and the good count. Thank you. Thank you, sir. That's what I have for public comment. I have your slips for those that are going to speak on the I speak on the items that will be presenting in the presentations. Okay, Mr. Paul, come on up. You know we have all the system works. Please. Yeah, well you ought to call for anybody else. I just might get them. Right? I think I mentioned that the last meeting. Mur Powell, Temple and Resident, Vice Chair Tag, not representing Tag today. I'm involved in this pass or basin fiasco that's going on right now. Two things to say. First thing is, you need to pull item 13 of a consent agenda. Back on February 4th, there was a whole go around for an hour on putting GSA items which are separate legal items on the regular County Board consent agenda. So it needs to get pulled today and it needs to get rescheduled for an actual GSA hearing. I'm also here to protest or oppose Mr. Gibson for the reasons they already been mentioned. He doesn't represent anybody in the past of basin. He's been on the PVC board for two years as a treasure. He hasn't accomplished one damn thing. We keep asking for the records from him for two years. Haven't seen him yet. And this is a guy that you want to put on on a GPA as a director. Okay? Other things are this GPA agreement that was signed by you, Madam Chair, on March 4th, was never ever provided in a public hearing for review. on February 4th in the middle of that hearing item. You wade... provided in a public hearing for review. On February 4th, in the middle of that hearing item, you weighed a little document talking about a new version that was now gonna be used, was never, ever disclosed in the public hearing. And checking with the county of Edmund after that meeting, I was advised that they never got that so-called new revised agreement until March 4th, a month later, when you signed it. So this is just examples of what you guys want to vote for on this GPA. No accountability, no concern for legally what you're supposed to be doing. So this whole thing needs to be pulled immediately and be scheduled for a real board hearing. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Powell. Okay, any other public comment? Seeing none, I'm going to close public comment and I'm going to bring it back to the board and ask if they have comments or questions on the consent agenda. Looking to my right, Supervisor Moreno. Number seven, item seven, okay. To my left. quick comments on 13 and 30 13 and 30 Supervisor Pauling none. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. We'll start with you and I'm gonna comment on stuff on here I am going to comment on Sorry seven the one . Sorry. Seven. Nine. Maybe 13 and 30. Okay. Yes and 30. Okay. Item seven. Supervisor. with regards to Cal Poly and looking at some longitudinal data, we've been having those conversations with them and I, from my conversations with Ms. Kenow from the office, they are willing to provide that information and I think that is something that we all want to look at when we, when it comes to economic development and where do we invest as a county to support economic development particularly in the unincorporated areas but county wide so just want to make that comment but I will be supporting the item. Thank you. I'll speak to item seven right now too. One of the things that is a little confusing is that the Center for Innovation and Entrepreneurship host the number of programs, both for students as well as people from outside within the community of San Luis Obispo. One of the programs, of course, is a small business development center. That we gave $200,000 to last board meeting. And those are retired executives who are 36 totaling. Those small business development consultants They created 122 jobs this last year They gave 3,800 hours of counseling. They served 504 clients throughout the county They had training events and that they were able to get over 18 million dollars in loans and equity for those small Today, what we're doing is that we're investing in the Center for Innovation and Entrepreneurship and new building that they'll have downtown San Luis, that they will be able to participate as a regional economic hub for all of us, whether it's the childcare issues, whether it's creating jobs, energy, all of those kinds of things can happen at that hub. And the CIE as a whole has a lot of different things, but their numbers for the last 23, 24 are available in this book. And I think it's quite interesting because many of the things that they're focused on with the companies that are working within the CIE that come from the students that are doing some pretty amazing things include AgTech Energy. So they have 18 active companies. They've gotten four million dollars in grants and awards. They have 17 workshop coaching sessions, 90 jobs created, 28 million total funding loans and equity and Of that we have a whole list of companies that are throughout the county So this is available on the on the website the Cal Poly Center for Innovation and Entrepreneurship And I think that we're happy to support that because that's you know with having Cal Poly here in our county There couldn't be a better economic driver so with that I appreciate we'll go to item nine, and that is me. So item nine is, I just wanted to say that I'm using some of my community funds from District three. They're your money, but it's coming from District three. And what we're doing is that we're putting in some speed signs in the Bob Jones Trail. And that is because of the electric bikes. And you know, we have all sorts of people that are on the Bob Jones Trail, the existing Bob Jones Trail, not the new Bob Jones Trail that will be built. But you know, we have people that are elderly, we have children learning how to ride their bikes and all that. And then we have people with their new electric bikes and they're really excited to get on those new electric bikes, but they're going too fast. So I'm just really excited about that and I just want to put that information out there. Okay, let's go to item 13. Supervisor Gibson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd just like for the public's benefit to indicate what item 13 is and it isn't. With the formation of a joint powers authority to administer the necessary actions to comply with SIGMA and balance the uh... pass the rebels groundwater basin uh... we are also taking the actions necessary to dissolve the PBCC. And that is a good thing. That indicates progress. The JPA is an extremely efficient means of moving forward on the work that we have to do. I had served for a couple of years on the cooperative committee, but now we're going to actually enter an action phase. It's been my pleasure to work with Supervisor Moreno over the last couple of months as we make this transition. Yes, there are a few things to do, more than a few things to do. We will be conversing with the San Miguel CSD, which declined to join the JPA, and we will be preparing a proposition to 18 assessment that is going to go out to secure the funds necessary to run the programs that we need. As to my participation, let me only note that I am proud to be a North County supervisor in the 22 election. I was elected to represent the communities of Atasca Dero and Heritage Ranch and San Miguel could leachunk, overlie the basin. But if you were here, I would thank my colleague, supervisor Meacham, for his key role in helping me secure that honor. So with that, I'm supportive of what we have. There's considerable amount, what we have before us. We're a considerable amount of public process, yet to occur. And we will look forward to progress being made. Thank you. Thank you Supervisor Gibson. I just want to note on those comments too that you know it's the all of us at the county really care about that basin for all the reasons that have been stated and that why this is so important at this point in time is that if you don't want somebody else to tell you what to do, just keep on the road of trying to fight this because then we'll have the state come in. And then you'll get to really see what it's like to have no ability to have a voice because when they come in and they take over the basin and dictate and penalize with fees, et cetera, that could be a You're going to be a voice because when they come in and they take over the basin and dictate and penalize with fees, et cetera, that could be a completely different story. So I think that the track is on a good path and we're just happy to have supervisor Moreno learning and taking the notes and trying to represent everybody and I know she's gonna continue to do that. Do you have comment? Yes, please go ahead. One of the things I had mentioned to the meeting on the fourth was it was important for us to have future engagement to really talk about the concerns and the issues and have that dialogue. We are putting those together right now. Unfortunately, the dates that were proposed, I wasn't able to make. And I think it's important that I am there. And we will let you know as soon as we... putting those together right now. And fortunately, the dates that were proposed, I wasn't able to make. And I think it's important that I am there. And we will let you know as soon as we have those dates and communicate out with you because it is, it's really key that we do that. So I will be supporting this motion. It's simply paperwork finishing up what has already been voted at the prior meeting. Thank you, Supervisor Moreno. And if we're done with comments. Yeah, not yet, but I just like to pull item 28 for a separate vote if we could when we get there. Okay, all right, we'll get there. Item 30, so the riser gives in. Well, I just want to thank Sister Theresa and all of her storage partners for their incredible energy and effort to transform the devol ranch. We stand here on the threshold of a bright new day on that property which has operated with a mixture of wonderful intention and less than perfect performance over many, many years, but with the inclusion of restorative partners in a professional attitude, a compassionate, professional attitude, we get this grant, we're going to see remarkable things happen. So I just want to let the public know how excited I am and how grateful I am for those who are working on this. Yeah, and I'll add my gratitude to because I know it's a lot of work and particularly for the volunteer board members. The things you're doing and very happy to see Scott Smith sitting in the audience with his knowledge from years at Haslow helping out and doing these grants and complying with the laws and there's so much complexity to all of that. So really important that we get this right and good luck to you. Okay, with that, we, I think we're ready to take a vote and so I'll take a motion, please. Move approval of consent abs and item 28. Chair, do you wanna make a motion on item one as a separate vote? Oh, so thank you. I didn't. I do that every time and I had it even highlighted on my thing. Yes, we'll have it first have a motion on item one which is a hearing. She's a separate motion. Move approval. Second. Supervisor Gibson. Yes. Supervisor Marino. Yes, ma'am. Supervisor Paul Dean. Yes. Each other person or teeth like. Yes. Okay and then on the second grouping I know you wanted to pull item 28 for separate vote. Move approval of consent the balance of consent absent item 28. Okay. Second and then under discussion just wanted to make one quick comment. I don't know if any members of the board talked about 29, the partnership with Five Cities Homeless Coalition and the El Camino Organization. Permanent supportive housing is critical as well as these prevention services where we actually keep people from becoming housed, which saves taxpayer dollars. So I wanted to underscore my support for that as well as, of course, item 30, the partnership with restorative partners. Really appreciate the work that you do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the committee to see if I can see the committee. I'm going to go to the committee to see if I can see if I can see the committee. I'm going to go to the committee to see if I can see if I can see the committee. I'm going to go to the committee to see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can see if I can Thank you. Second. Go. Professor Gibson. Yes. Supervisor Paul Dean. Yes. Supervisor Moreno. No further record. I will not be voting on a guaranteed income and growing the size of government further. Chairperson Otees. Yes. Thank you. Okay. With that, let's see, we are done with these items and so to do to do. That's it. Okay. Mm-hmm. We'll start with our formal presentations. We'll let the room give it another minute. Thanks for coming folks. Okay. All right. Do you read it good? Okay. Yes, we got item 31. Go ahead, clerk. Or is it do I do it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry rights awareness month and we will have the district attorney damned out please come forward and then we'll ask supervisor marano to read this proclamation. Thank you please to do so. Whereas the county of San Luis Obispo district attorney's office Christopher G. Money Victim Witness Assistant Center is declaring April crime victims rights awareness month and is asking our community to join others across our state and nation to celebrate the national theme, kinship, connecting and healing. And whereas since 1977, crime victims in San Los Obispo County have benefited from local government and community-based victim service organizations working in partnership to protect and promote the rights of crime victims, and to provide crisis and trauma-informed support services to assist crime victims to rebuild their lives. And whereas reaching and serving all victims of crime is essential to support thriving communities, because those who receive holistic services and support are more likely to remain invested in their community. And whereas building relationships with a diverse range of healthcare providers, community leaders, faith organizations, educators, and businesses can create valuable connections between victims and the services that enhance their safety, healing, and access to justice. and whereas advocacy by and for victims of crime is itself a form of seeking justice, no less than justice sought in the courts. And whereas the accomplishments of the victims' rights movement achieved through compassion and collaboration and built on the courageous advocacy of individual victims and their families across the country inspire in us hope for a future progress in greater healing. And whereas we are committed to responding to crime and violence by helping victims find not only support, recovery and justice, but also a sense of hope for their future. And whereas the County of San Luis Obispo District Attorney's Office Christopher G. Money Victim Awareness Assistance Center remains steadfastly dedicated to strengthening victims and survivors in the aftermath of crime, building resilience in our communities and our victim service providers and bringing hope and healing to all victims and survivors. Now, therefore, be it resolved in order that the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Lois Obispo of state of California, hereby designates April 2025 as San Lois Obispo County crime victims rights awareness month. And in doing so, reaffirms our commitment to respect and enforce victims rights and address their needs this month and throughout the year. Thank you. Madam Chair, please come forward so we can have a picture. Madam Chair, can we invite up all of the other all of our victim advocates and all of the other organizations that work with us in supporting victims of crime if you'd come forward and for the picture? We'd appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Please go more. Okay. and keep going down. I'm going to put it in the middle of the chair. It's like, what's in? You're going to find a big spot. I'm going to put it in the middle of the chair. Alright, right over here. Big smiles. Three, two, one. One more. Right over here, big smiles. Three, two, one more. And one more, three, two, one. Thank you very much Madam Chair and members of the board. It's a real honor and often a sobering task to represent the people of the state of California, and perform the sacred duty to protect our neighborhoods by holding offenders accountable, and then to speak up for the voiceless, to speak up for the victims of crime in our community when they're not able to speak up for themselves in court. I want to thank you for making this a high priority every year to recognize April as Crime Victims Rights Awareness Month. As you know, but many might not be aware of California in 2008 passed an initiative which is called the Crime Victims Bill of Rights in California. Every victim of crime has 17 enumerated individual rights. And it's our office's mission to ensure that we represent the rights of crime victims through the aggressive and fair prosecution of crime. In doing that, we have attorneys, of course, and we have our victim witness advocates that work in our victim witness assistance center that take this responsibility very seriously. And in a moment, you'll hear from Beth Robb, our assistant director of the Christopher G. Money Victims Assistance Center. But a victim is broadly defined under the California Constitution. So it's not just the individual who was specifically harmed, but I want to read for you the definition. It's a person who suffers direct or threatened physical, psychological or financial harm as a result of the commission or attempted commission of a crime or a delinquent act. The term victim also under this Marcy's law that crime victims bill of rights includes the person's spouse, parents, children, siblings, or guardian, and includes a lawful representative of a crime victim who might be deceased, a minor or who has been physically or psychologically incapacitated. So last year in 2024, our office received and worked on over 11,000 criminal cases that were referred to our office in San Luis Obispo County and that's just misdemeanors and felonies. We don't deal with any infractions that's handled in traffic court. And so that means we served thousands of victims in that same time frame. And then we continued to serve victims who had been victimized in prior years where their cases have not yet been resolved. And as I was giving an orientation to new employees yesterday in my office, we discussed the fact that as wonderful as San Luis Obispo County is, we have every type of crime imaginable that happens in the big city. We have the horrors of human trafficking. We have intimate partner violence where people harm those that there are in a, what should be a loving relationship. We have child abuse. We have theft. We have robberies. We have gang crimes. Not to the degree of a metropolitan area, thank God. But our community has just about every crime imaginable. And we are proud to work very hard to keep victims at the very forefront of what we do. Two weeks ago, a crime happened in a taskad arrow that is just particularly troubling. And that was a crime that involved the death of a young 11-year-old just walking home from school. a completely senseless and preventable crime, and it just reminds us one of how none of us knows how many days we have to walk this earth, and tragically young lives can be snuffed out very quickly. And so our mission and supportive victims couldn't be more clear at times like this. And that is to provide the support and services to this young boy's family. And the victims of that crime are not only him as the decedent, but his mom and his dad, his grandparents, his siblings, his community, his classmates. And we work very hard every day to serve and support all of those victims. So this month is a time to ensure that victims are always cared for and put at the top of our community's priority. I wanna thank your board that in the time of financial distress that we're facing right now that you remain steadfast in your commitment to have public safety, which includes support and service to victims as your number one priority. And in closing, before I turn it over to Beth Robb, I want to remind you of something I've mentioned before when I've stood before you, and that is I would encourage you to join us in referring to this justice system not as the criminal justice system anymore, but to highlight victims and their importance, refer to it as the criminal and victim justice system. Because if we only have justice for the offender and not for the victim, then we really don't have justice. So I'll turn it over to director, Assistant Director Beth Robb for a few moments, and then I'll close with giving some acknowledgement to all of our community partners. Thank you. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Board of Supervisors. I appreciate being here today and you honoring victims by declaring this month crime victims rights month. My name is Beth Robb. I'm one of the assistant directors at the Christopher G money victim witness assistant center. We have 21 staff members there who served more than 12,000 people per year with essential and critical services like Dan highlighted in the case just recently. I'm very impressed and proud of the services that the advocates have provided for crime victims, those crime victims and others in our community. And keep in mind that 12,000 is San Luis Bespo County, right? That is what we're talking about. It's right here in our community. And really this year, what we're kind of focusing on for this month is connecting through kinship and healing, because kinship is really about recognizing and having that call to action of that shared community, that shared humanity, that should really center around all survivors, all victims of crime, because there's a vast amount of victims we serve from property crime, homicide, DUI's causing injury or vehicular manslaughter, the whole vast. And so many of them need different kinds of critical services to really begin that healing in their lives. And it really just increases being connected to that access of services, and really making sure that their rights are honored and trying to make sure they have the information they need to make decisions on those rights. And we're working with that every day to build that social web that's so important in our society and in our community as we start healing. And really when you think about it, kinship is really where the victim advocacy begins, right? Building those connections. And so we're very grateful for all the connections we have in our community to help with that healing because not just one person can help a victim go forward, right, to survivor. So I wanna thank you for your continued support and being part of that kinship in our community. I handed you some invitations for our event that's coming up on April 3rd. We're using your chambers that will start here. We have a crime victim survivor coming. A community capso is gonna come present and then we'll have a reception afterwards. Really tried to highlight those resources in our community to support crime survivors along with us and really partner with us. Also, I put in there a little awareness pin for you so you can show your support through April for that month. So thank you very much for allowing us to come here today and for continuing to support us as our we work to give services in this community. Thank you. You're bad. And then finally I just want to make sure you're fully aware that you know we don't do this work alone. We count on many great partners in the community, some of which are here today. I want to acknowledge the Sheriff's Office, the County Probation Department, the Department of Social Services, and the Health Agency might not, well, those of you that have been out to the child advocacy center, you know, we have the wonderful doctors and nurses that work for the Health Agency that will provide medical examinations on children, and that's a particularly important service that they provide us. And then partners in the community like Luminat Alliance, the Promethorus Collaborative, restorative partners who was here earlier, the Center for Family Strengthening, the Family Care Network, CASA, a court appointed special advocates and community action partnership of San Luis Obispo. I know there are others and I apologize if I left you off, but if you would, if you serve victims in our community, would you just stand and let us thank you for that? If you're a part of that. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Dow. Okay. Any other public comment on this item? Thank you so much for the presentation. Bring it back to the board. Board comments, supervisor Gibson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm really proud that San Luis Obispo County has such a strong system in support of victims of crime. And as we hold these acknowledgments every year, my heart particularly goes out to those individuals who work face to face, hand in hand, with our crime victims, whether they're members of our county staff or members of our nonprofit partners. I know the load that you take is considerable at times, but I hope you take the satisfaction of doing good things for your fellow human beings and just know that I appreciate it. Thank you, supervisor Paul Ding. Thank you, Chair. Well said, supervisor, I echo those comments and just wanna thank everybody who works in this this space not an easy space to work in but very important one. Thank you. Supervisor Morena? Echo Ditto. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Okay and I want to say thank you as well and I want to highlight a couple of things here because I think we're in a real important moment in regards to our victims programs and that is that that so much of our funding comes from the victims of crimes act that was actually initiated by President Reagan and his task force on victim crimes. And that concluded that the neglect of crime victims in America was a, quote, national disgrace. And for all the things that were mentioned here today is why it was so important. And it was a very historic moment on the victim's right movement to actually have the Vovoka as it's referred to being passed and then being able to fund money back into communities to do this work that's being spread across. And right now, we're seeing a little bit of a stop cap. So there was a decline in the deposits during 2018 in that administration and then Congress passed in the Volca Fix to sustain crime victims at Fund Act of 2021 state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the VOCA fix. And that's really important because right now, for example, Lumen Alliance is currently looking at 47% of their funding, $1.88 million comes from federal dollars, some direct, but most passes through the state and county agencies. And all of this comes down from, and that's why it's so important for us to advocate at the federal level to get that money released to be able to do the work that we're doing. So I encourage all of us who go to whether it's at Sacramento or in the federal government to make sure that we'll be able to access those funds because right now it really matters of whether the hotlines are open and the other pieces of all of this and the people that work in our office, the people working in Luma, the people that work at Casa, people work at Slow Lauf, there's just so many pieces to this. So with that, we're really happy that you brought this to our attention and thank you when we look forward to the event. Thank you. All right, we'll go back now to the next item, which is item 32, a resolution proclaiming April 2025 as the month of the child and child abuse prevention month in the County of San Luis Obispo. And we'll ask Raquel Bolle to come forward. And I think Jamie might be coming with you as well. And I had her last name here somewhere, but no, I don't know. What? Okay, Jamie, please come forward. And we look forward to having supervisor Paul Dean read the resolution. Thank you, Chair. Thank you for being here. It's my honor to read the resolution, proclaiming April 2025 as the month of the child and child abuse prevention month in the County of San Luis Biscoe. Whereas the County of San Luis Biscoe board of supervisors recognize that every moment in a child's life is an opportunity for that child to learn that the quality of these experiences may determine a child's resilience, whether a child succeeds in school and in life and that all children need caring and loving adults in their lives. Whereas as April is month of the child and child abuse prevention month, it marks a time to recognize that our community's children are precious assets who all deserve to experience the wonder and magic of childhood. The quality of their years is our collective responsibility and that we commit ourselves to ensuring that each and every child has access to a high quality early environment at home, at child care, at school, and in the community that will promote their optimal growth and development. And whereas in solidarity with the Sanless Abyss Boca County Early Care and Education Planning Council's advocacy committee, we as a community of partners and leaders. In vision, a San Luis Poo County where all families can find and afford quality care for their children, and where childcare professionals are valued for their critical role in building a solid foundation for children and families to thrive in the world. And whereas Saturday, April 5th, 2025, we'll commemorate day of the child at the annual Children's Day in the Plaza celebration from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. in the San Luis Pespo Mission Plaza. This year's celebration where children and families will have the opportunity to discover creativity, individuality, and diversity while exploring local resources and building connections with a focus on acceptance in order to foster a strong sense of community. And whereas, Friday, April 25, 2025, there will be a statewide raising of the children's memorial flag to honor and raise awareness about the many children in our midst who suffer daily from abuse and neglect. Pledge support for strategies that strengthen families and protect our young ones as part of the national recognition of April as child abuse prevention month. Now therefore, be it resolved and ordered that the Board of Supervisors of the County of San Las Obespo State of California does hereby proclaim April 25th as month of the child and child abuse prevention month. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to go to the next one. I'm going to get this. I'm going to get this. I'm going to get this. I'm going to get this. Perfect big smiles right over here. I'm going to go through this. I'm going to go through this. I'm going to go through this. I'm going to go through this. Perfect. Big smiles right over here. Big smiles right over here. three, two, one. One more right over here in three, two. Thank you. Thank you. So, I'm in our community at this time. My name is Jamie Samba-Matsu and I've been part of the early care and learning community in San Luis Obispo County for over 30 years. I'm here representing the San Luis Obispo County early care and education planning council. We in partnership with families in the community plan for and promote accessible services of the highest quality for the care of all children in youth. I'm deeply honored to stand before you today as we recognize April is month of the child. A time to celebrate uplift and commit ourselves to the well-being of the youngest members of our communities. First, I want to express my and our sincere gratitude to the Board of Supervisors for this meaning for recognition. This proclamation is not just an acknowledgement of the work we do, but a call to action for all of us to ensure that every child has an opportunity to grow, thrive and succeed. Thank you on behalf of the childcare community throughout the county for keeping children at the forefront here at the county supervisors. And your support through ARPA grants awarded to allow care within the community continue during a challenging time. Your supportive care over the years has helped create a connect the community for our children and families throughout our county. It truly takes a village to raise children and we're glad that you are a part of it with us. As we celebrate month of the young child, let us be reminded that every child deserves love, support, and a chance to dream big. Let's continue our collaboration to break barriers, provide resources, create a future where children, every child, regardless of background and circumstance, has an opportunity to reach their very fullest potential. Thank you for taking the time to pause, reflect on how we as adult and leaders can impact our community's children and families and every decision that is made within these council chambers. Also, during this month by wearing blue, we show our support and honor the commitment to preventing child abuse. As April is also recognized as child abuse prevention month, Lou is worn and will be wearing it at children's day on the pl Plaza to uplift and support this and support all those agencies working together to promote programs and activities that create strong, thriving children and families because every child deserves a hero. We invite all of you of course to join us at the annual Children's Day of the Plaza on Saturday, April 5th at Mission Plaza in downtown San Luis Obispo. We hope you will be there with us for the festivities that begin at 10 a.m. to kick off the day with a special recognition for you as our local leaders and dignitaries. We also take you on a guided tour to provide you an opportunity to meet with local partner agencies and share new initiatives and positive impact packs that support you and your community and your children. Thank you again for this honor. I am honored to be able to stand here before you and serve how I do, but we can't do without support of all of us. I accept this proclamation, not just for myself, but every educator, parent, mentor and advocate who works tirelessly to uplift and support our children. That's keep making a difference because when we invest in our children, we invest in a better tomorrow. And we will be giving you a plant for you to enjoy and as you watch it grow, think of the children that you have helped support in your service. Thank you so much. I have some, that was beautiful. Thank you so much. We appreciate that. That's a great reminder. Nancy Custer, Custer, you want to come for public comment and Gwen Garcia, really appreciate you filling out slips so you can come on up and then Gwen after Gwen will have Lisa for Asia. Hi, good morning board of supervisors and Madam Chair. My name is Nancy Kuster and I'm the deputy director for Child Welfare Services for the Department of Social Services. April is month of the child and child Abuse Prevention Month, and I am here to personally thank you for your ongoing support of our children and families. With your support and the support of our community partners over there, we're not only continue to prevent child abuse in neglect, but we ensure children are safe, healthy, and thriving in the care of their parents. In 2024, our department received 3,840 reports of suspected child abuse and neglect. Of the over 3,800 reports we received, we investigated 1,779. Fast forward to February of this year, we had 151 children in the foster care system. In prior years, we were hovering over 300 children in out of home care. This low number is largely due to your support in funding our child abuse prevention programs. assist in equipping our parents the skills they need to raise safe, healthy, happy children. Through your compassion and kindness, we continue to prevent family separation. How we care for our most vulnerable is a reflection of our community's values and your priorities. I'm ever so grateful that your priorities include caring for one another and ensuring a high quality of life for everyone in our county. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning and thank you. My name is Gwen and I have had the privilege of growing up in slow county and receiving services as a child and now being able to provide services for over 15 years for families and children. And so I'm here because I serve as the program director for Parent Connection, a community resource. Along with that, we also provide parent leadership opportunities. I have some of our parent leaders here and they are a testimony to being able to advocate and share their lived at expertise to advance and really help with the future of children and families, making sure that they're a priority. As you may see, I'm wearing blue, a very sparkly blue, and that is because we recognize blue as the color for child abuse prevention. And so I hope you will join us in the month of April to wear blue and celebrate families and children and keep the math priority in our community. Thank you. Thank you, Wood. Lisa Frazier, followed by Wendy Wood. Good morning supervisors. I'm here today representing the Child Abuse Prevention Council of San Luis Obispo County also known as the Center for Family Strengthening. I'm very honored to be part of this proclamation as well as being recognized by the district attorney Dandau for the efforts we do in our county to work with all families, especially those who are in their hour of need. We are there to support them in between doctor visits, therapy visits, just making sure that they get what they need in the moment and we do this in a culturally appropriate way. And with a very strong group of folks who are bilingual. We couldn't do it without them. Today I join my colleagues to elevate National Child Abuse Prevention Month. Since 1987, the Child Abuse Prevention Council known as the Center for Family Strengthening, we have served as the catalyst, we have served as a convener, and we coordinate numerous prevention programs that did not exist 25 years ago. Today, we have an amazing cooperation with the District Attorney's Office and the Public Health Department Medical Team to provide family advocate services to the children and the families that enter that center with compassionate care and culturally appropriate care and also in their native language. We also organized, because last year I came before you to talk about the San Luis Obispo County, Child and Family Wellness Collaborative. We are organizing this today and we'll continue to organize this. So we focus on the prevention partnerships that we have and to make sure we are not just talking to each other, but looking at the data, for example, like Nancy Cooster just shared. Those are amazing metrics. To know that many years ago, children were just floundering in foster care and today, we are working towards keeping them with their families, which is a primary way to prevent child abuse and neglect. So the Board of Directors of the Center for Family Strength and Join Me today to help create and establish these prevention programs to stay elevated, to stay on the radar of all of our radars and also think about our parent connection program, which is a valuable resource that is highly used by every individual who is needing that moment of time care and compassionate understanding when they're dealing with a difficult child. We also have the Permanent Thores Collaborative, which I know is very renowned for its outreach and efforts to connect with our Latinx community. We help the Link Family Resource Center, do the job they need to do in our schools and in our communities. We serve as the home for friends of Martha's place, which makes it possible for the community to support the efforts that they do there. And we have a really solid partnership with the Public Health Department to do, self-care support. We help children in need when they need it, and not have to wait for many, many permissions to get there. So lastly, thank you for this time to be with you today. And please join us to celebrate National Child Abuse Prevention Month. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. APPLAUSE OK. Wendy, Wint. I think that's it. OK. Good morning. My name is Wendy Wint, and I'm the Executive Director of First Five San Luis Obispo County. As you know, we are this county's local public agency dedicated to working with our communities to reinforce supports for families and children during the critical first five years of childhood and parenthood. Every year, as April approaches, and we prepare to honor this month of the child and child abuse prevention, I reflect on the vital importance of strong partnerships with the county in helping children to thrive and in guarding them from harm. You, our county leaders, have time and again demonstrated a recognition that investing early in the health and well-being of our children is a smart use of taxpayer dollars. Many times in the past quarter century since first five was founded, we have found opportunities to work together, to invest together, to take action together in ways that yield lasting improvements in the fabric of supports for children, prevention-based approaches that actually save money because we're helping families set themselves up for success. Few examples that several have mentioned before, and I'll add a few, that so many families and children benefit from even today, Martha's Place, an early assessment and treatment center for our county's most vulnerable children. County Children's Oral Health Program screenings, WIC based breastfeeding supports, home visits by train public nursing staff to help new parents build skills and confidence. ARPA funding allocations to help our children's childcare sector remain stable and grow past the pandemic years. Family-friendly workplace program, co-investment between the county and first five, that's allowed for a county-wide program for employers to develop better policies to help working parents, raise their children and show up to work, ready to contribute to society and the economy. The list goes on, and so does our gratitude to you. And our commitment at first five to remain your stalwart partners and our shared work toward ensuring a healthy county where families can thrive, live, work, and raise children across generations to come. Thank you so much. Thank you. any further public comment. Okay, please come forward. Hi there, my name is Shelley and I was asked by a nurse family partnership representative to come and speak and I didn't know that this was the point but thanks so much for allowing me to. Just feel one of those out. Yep, I did but I just put general comment. I typically don't come to. That's fine, please. Okay, I wanted to honor the public health department because they've done so much for me as a first-time mom. So the Nurse Family Partnership program was essential for me and my baby in a time that we needed it the most. Becoming a first-time mom is a daunting task filled with unknowns. And not everyone is given the blessing of raising a baby with a supportive partner and family close by. I'm a Bay Area transplant, so it's just me down here. In many countries outside the US, pre-needle home visits are the norm. Midwives are frequently used. And post-part home visits are standard. In the US, our care for pregnant women, and as well as postpartum care is extremely sparse and almost non-existent. We as mothers are expected to drive to and from every appointment during pregnancy, we are also unfortunately tasked with bringing our newborns to pediatrician appointments just 72 hours after giving birth. My and home nurse who visited me early on in my pregnancy and throughout the first two years of my son's life impacted my experience as a first time mom in many positive ways. I learned a lot of valuable information that I would use to take care of myself and my baby throughout my pregnancy. I felt like I had a support system that I could lean on when I was in need. It brought me a huge sense of comfort knowing I would have weekly visits from an expert nurse once I brought my newborn home. These visits were filled with help and support I desperately needed in becoming a first-time mom. Sometimes I would have a list of questions or concerns that were always answered by my nurse representative. And other times it was just a chance for me to take a shower or sit down and enjoy a meal in peace. And so I love that the newborn, born visits included a health check for my son, as John Dis was an area of concern. My son was weighed at each visit to ensure he was gaining an appropriate amount of weight. And unfortunately before my son turned one, I became a single mom. My co-parenting journey has been extremely rough, and I was given primary custody, and so I didn't have the chance to work very often and money was difficult. So, my nurse organized, you know, there were times when I needed diapers and I didn't have a penny to my name and my nurse organized me to receive diapers until I received my next paycheck. check. There were times when I didn't have money for gas and miners found a gas voucher program for me with all the stress of being a new time, a single mom, I was emotionally scarred. And so my nurse found a therapist who would accept my insurance. All the care we received and attendedness of my nurse was invaluable. This program offered to first time moms is by far one of the best programs to come out of the health department. I couldn't and don't want to imagine all the stress and hardships that would have resulted if I didn't have the opportunity to participate in this program. When I share with other moms about how an amazing of an opportunity I was given, they all echoed in the same sentiment and how lucky I was to have participated. They all wished so much that the counties that they lived in had something like ours. These programs are what sets Slow County apart from others in the state of California. This program in particular is why Slow County, I think has been on the list of happiest places to live over the years. In a perfect world, I wish I could expand this program to offer this to all moms who are in need, and I hope more funds will be directed to this program to continue to help moms like me make it through the first two years of motherhood. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sheila, for sharing. Okay. Right, looking at no further public comment, I'll bring it back to you. Thank you. Thank you, Shirley for chairing. Okay. All right. Looking at no further public comment, I'll bring it back to the board for their comments. Please. Supervisor Gibson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I think it's, I think it's fantastic that we're celebrating child abuse prevention. That's what we should be doing. So we don't create as many victims in the world. And what strikes me is, especially with the story that Shelley just told us is the breadth of me, the depth of need and the breadth of skill and expertise and caring that's needed to meet that need. And so to all who are involved in this, and it's been my pleasure to know a little bit more than average about it through my time as a first five commissioner. Your work is extraordinary. I get, I start puzzled. I end up extremely frustrated at the fact that this country does not value investment in early childhood as much as to the extent, you know, more than it does. In the Shelley reference, other countries. If you looked at a bar graph of the financial investment and see where we rank down in the grass, down in the noise, you'd be in bear, I'm embarrassed. And so I hope that we from this gather the strength to move this forward. I will say that starting last year, our California State Association of Counties has formed a child care working group that brings supervisors from literally all over this state, top to bottom, east to west, red to blue, to the table to figure out what counties can do. So even in these troubling times, I'm hopeful that we can make some progress moving forward in the meantime, deep gratitude to all who are involved in this field supporting our fellow human beings, especially the youngest and most vulnerable. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Gibson. Supervisor Paulting. Thank you, Chair. Again, thanks to those in attendance today. I'm glad that we could raise awareness in this way and you know thank you to all of our county departments to provide these really critical services and our community partners. We couldn't do it without that partnership and things unfortunately are probably going to get more difficult versus less less difficult given funding constraints and where things are headed. So it's going to require that resiliency in our community. So thank you again for that strength and partnership. Thank you, Supervisor Paul Ting. I am closed by just offering my gratitude and you know, it's I don't care where anybody says If you're helping children, you're making the world a better place. And thank you for all that you do. Everybody, it takes a village. As we know, there's so many pieces to this puzzle. And I'm really glad to hear all of them because I think it's really important that we express that and we share that data, that information, those stories, how many times we're overlapping in ways that are actually needed to be able to provide one piece. It comes from everybody working together. So I commend you for continuing your collaborations and working with us at the county and bringing back your stories and all of that. And so thank you on behalf of the children in the future. And we really appreciate all of you. So, okay, thank you. I think that that closes that item. And we're going to now take a break and we'll be back for public comment on items not on the agenda. And we'll come back at 10.30 at 10.40. How about that? Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. Welcome back to the board Okay, let's get going and we're gonna start now on public comment item 33 public comment period for matters not on the agenda So we'll open public comment and I'll start with Amber Johnson By all by Mike Brown. Come away. On the way. Hello. Good morning. Good morning. In 1987, oh, sorry. Thank you. I'm here not as a consultant like I normally am, but so I am also a firearms instructor and an advocate for women to become their first responders. And I was asked to come today to speak on behalf of resilient souls. And they wanted me to address you all about the Women's History Month, which in 1987, Women's History Month began as a local celebration in Santa Rosa, California. The theme for this year's, for 2025, Women's History Month is moving forward together, women educating and inspiring generations. Unfortunately, today, California struggles to celebrate even the limited progress made in protecting women and girls as victims. There has been an erosion in victims or of victims' rights and penalties for perpetrators. Convicted of sex offenses or domestic violence. Sorry, or domestic violence have decreased. California receives a failing grade in addressing child sex trafficking crimes. Did you know there is no minimum age requirement for girls to marry in California? I was kind of shocked about that too. There's also no protection against internet-based marriage-brokering, early marriage, or children performing in sexual venues. Recently, 29 California representatives voted against protecting our women and children through the Violence Against Women in Bi-Alegal Aliens Act. Additionally, sexual assault remains a significant and growing problem in California. The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation sends annual letters to child victims of human trafficking informing them that their convicted perpetrators have been classified as nonviolent offenders and are eligible for release. These issues highlight a troubling history for women in California. To learn more, attend a free event hosted by Resilient Souls during the National Crime Victims Rights Weeks, which is from April 6 to April 12, 2025. It'sient souls is a local nonprofit organization focused on providing trauma-informed care, training, and support for survivors of complex trauma, abuse, and sexual exploitation. This event will feature a screening of the impactful film Line in the Sand by James O'Keefe. This screening is free and will take place on Tuesday on the day. April 8th at 7 p.m. at Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at the Park Sinemas located at 1100 Pine Street in Passa Robles. You can reserve your seat by visiting ParkCinemas.com and clicking on Line in the Sand or you can obtain free tickets in person at Park Sinemas. Following the film, there will be a Q&A session with local experts, also Slow County District Attorney Dandau, which everybody will be emphasizing the importance of supporting survivors. Sex trafficking and drug trafficking are societal issues that have escalated in the past four years, devastating our communities. Events like this not only raise awareness of these critical issues, but also promote a compassionate community that helps protect women, children, young adults, and trauma victims from violence and abuse. Thank you. Thank you, and your name. I'm sorry. Amber Johnson. Thank you. Thank you. It's time. Yeah, just remember to state your name when you come up, folks. And now we'll have Mike Brown. Thank you, again, Madam Chair, board members. I want to just update you on one of the things that's going on, the issue of 3CE, and I know Madam Chair here is well aware of these matters, but for the rest of you. So in the 3CE annual financial report for 23, 24, it lost some money. So for the first time, and it was not a lot, it was out of a $450 million a year budget, which is mostly buying on electricity certificates. They lost 26 million, the year before, they made about 36 million in the year before they made about 25 million. So that's a pretty big swing in one year, you know. And you're gonna start seeing more of this because they're having huge problems acquiring energy and energy certificates. They, you know, they're only at about 28, 30% green energy right now, PG&E, even if you didn't count nuclear, which the state won't do is like at 58, 60% PG&E. if you counted nuclear as carbon-free and green, you'd be at about 90% or something. So this is going to be an ongoing trend here. They also have now piled up about 5,700 million worth of short and long-term energy contracts. And of course, you were told back at the formation time that there's absolutely no way that if something happened, something went wrong, you'd be not liable as accountable as a member agency. But you probably want to look at that that on your own because imagine with 17 of these things statewide piling up these contracts and suddenly PG&E begins to amortize those old expensive solar contracts and things. And so, and now the rate for the energy component the basic rate for homes you know is going to be about 14 cents per kilowatt hour and so and that's going to come in April when when um three CE raises some rates so these advantages are going away I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. to our next item. Please board clerk. Please energize the next item. Item number 34 requests to receive and file the annual update presentation from primary public defender San Luis Obispo Defenders professional law corporation. Great. Please come forward. San Luis Obispo Public Defenders and. Well. Good morning. Thank you. Matt, Chair and fellow board. I don't know how to operate this. No, it's on now. Okay. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Brian Buckley just for a quick introduction. This is my partner, Steve Rice. We are the managing attorneys of San Luis Obispo Defender. And we are the primary public defender for San Luis Obispo County. We are happy to be invited back to give you guys another annual update about this kind of the status of our office. Last time we were here, it was a little over a year ago, and we were kind of in the middle of our case management system implementation. So just for everybody to get caught up, there are basically five different groups, the courts, probation, the sheriff, the district attorney, and us, who are part of the Justice Partners Program. The other four members, aside from us, had an integrated case management and the ability to electronically exchange data and information with each other through that Siege's hub, which is really a critical and valuable part of this county. We were still operating on paper and files and printing and a lot of that sort of relics of the past. So we did choose a vendor last year. We worked throughout most all of last year to finally go live in October with our new case management system. So we was quite a task. I would say we spent a lot of man hours, a lot of time, energy, money on it. We had really a three different old legacy systems that went back to the 80s to the 90s, and then some that Steve and I had put in in the last few years to try to capture data. So we ended up migrating 260,000 of our old cases into this new system. There's two million different documents and files we migrated and over 40 terabytes of data. So now we have it in one spot. We have it where it's accessible to all of our attorneys and staff, our investigators, our social worker, everybody that's, before you'd have to go looking in three places to try and maybe find what you needed, it wasn't all accessible through the internet. Some of it you had to actually come to our physical office to use. Now, it's cloud-based, it's web-based. We can access it everywhere. I can't thank County IT enough. They were really tremendous support for us in helping us do this. I'm a lawyer, not an IT person, so it's really, we can help give them our workflows, we can help them tell them what we need, but they're the ones who kept our feet to the fire, kept us moving ahead and helped us meet all the deadlines, kept within the budget that we needed to be. And we're really happy with the system. Obviously, there are still some things that we're working on. And I put in here some 2025 projects. We do have some work that's ongoing with the court to kind of improve the efficiency and the quality of the exchanges. We are getting now, we're in a court appoints us on a new case to represent somebody we get the information about the client and about their case. All of that migrates to our system automatically now. So within a minute or so, it pops up in our system. Usually we have a few that seem to slip through but that's what we're working on. We get pretty much 100% electronic discovery from the district attorney's office now. We have a place to put that that's all together where it's easy to find, easy to sort. So we are you know basically a completely paper list at this point with very limited exceptions. We are you know hoping that the county will continue to support this project because we do have some you know know, there's been some issues with our own internal IT. We had to upgrade our internet to some fiber at the office to increase capacity. We have a VPN now that our attorneys are using. So there's been some cost to us. There's been, I know, cost to the county, but we appreciate all the support that we have received in implementing this project and modernizing our the way we do business It's you know, it's been a It's hard to say that it's made things easier because we put so much work into it last year But we know that it will pay off in the in the years to come that we just you know have a modern system that we can really use As far as workload goes You know overall I think everything is within what we normally would expect. You know, some of the attorneys are saying that things are, you know, they have more cases or they have less cases than usual. I think the misdemeanors have been complaining a little bit lately that they are seeing a lot, are an influx of more cases. But overall, I think, you know, we are managing the workload and, the workload and at this point, we are fully staffed. So we're getting all everything done that needs to be done in the timely fashion and at high quality. Thank you, Brian. Steve Bryce. I just want to talk a little bit about the collaborative sort of nature of this county that we live in. I'm going to first talk about the Clean Slate Clinic, which most of you I'm sure have heard of. This is a program that we put together a couple years ago along with the other justice partners that are on this list. We are, I would say the model for this state and possibly the nationwide. In the past two years, excuse me, sorry. In the past two years, we have processed and granted over 1,000 expungements or dismissals of people's records. And this wouldn't be possible without the group that's involved, which are the Discreturny's Office, probation, the People's Justice Project, California Legal Assistance. And this is usually an all day event. It starts in the morning and ends at the end of the day for people at the work who want to come in and take advantage of these services. And we have so we have attorneys on staff helping process the applications then probation to review to make sure that people have in fact successfully finished their probation, paid their their fines, their fees, any restitution that was ordered. These are all folks that have been given due process whether through plea agreements in dispositions or through jury trials and have served whatever they needed to serve to get this relief. And so it is quite an accomplishment. The attorney who helps set this up just authorities at the People's Justice Project, he runs these similar programs along the coastal counties including Ventura, Sanabara, San Luis Bispos, Santa Cruz, and Monterey. And he said by far we have exceeded any other counties in the way we do it. And like I said, we are the model. They are using how we do this in other communities. And what this does in the long run is it returns. These folks in our community to the workforce, they're able to find housing, get back up on their feet, get other resources. It makes our community safer and it gives people a future, helps them get certain licenses they couldn't get before, gets certain education opportunities. So it's going great. I know some of you have stopped by it to check it out when we do it. It's only been going for a couple of years. So we'll probably do one again in about six months. I could you come by and check it out. It's a really fun, fun time there. And rewarding. We just kind of want also given update on prop 36. As you all know, it was passed into November, and we were tasked with having to put together something fairly quickly in terms of timing. The discontourney was helpful in delaying some of the filings so we could get some programming in place. Probation, I would say, was the heaviest lifter in this plan. We got everyone together, that group you saw before probation, disconternious office, behavioral health, drug and alcohol services. We got together several times to figure out how we can make this work and how we could put it in places quickly as possible. There wasn't money that came along with this proposition so it has taxed certain county departments, specifically behavioral health and drug and alcohol services, but they're making it work and they are carbon out time, carbon out resources to make sure the folks that need the help are getting it. We are, it's brand new. So, I mean, we're just now getting back. It takes about 30 days for assessments. We're getting back just now some of those first assessments and what that programming looks like for people who are suffering with substance abuse issues. So I guess the impacts are some costs, but everyone's hoping in long run. This is a beneficial program. And so overall, it's, again, hopefully when we come back, we can have some data for you all and let you know how things are going along this line. So with that, I think you all for your attention and give us an opportunity to chat and kind of let it let you know how our office is going. We appreciate your support and your continued support. Thank you, Mr. Rice. Thank you, Brian, too. Okay. We'll open it up to public comment on this item. Any public comment? Not seeing none. I'm going to close public comment and I'll bring it back to the board. Supervisor Moreno. I love the IT. I mean, going from three systems to one and you had me at we came in within budget. So nice job done on that. I look forward to hearing more from you in your office. Being new, I would love to set up some time for us to meet and really excited about the clean slate and what you're doing and look forward to some of those numbers. So thank you. Great. Supervisor Paul Dink. Thank you both for being here, giving us the presentation and for all the work that you and your attorneys do. Appreciate it. raise your Gibson. I echo all of the prior that want to particularly add my thanks for your continued labors in the criminal justice system in this day when the rule of law seems to be a bit under assault. And so I appreciate you being there fulfilling a fundamental county responsibility. Thank you. Well, first I just want an undertaking. It's really great to see your progress in regards to that software. I mean, that just had to be massive and what a difference that's going to make and we're really, you know, that investment's really important. And thank you for doing it. The stress that that must have been. And then second, you know, we really, as a board, as a majority, supported Prop 36 knowing well indeed that it did not have funding. And so to see you work together the way you are until we can figure out how the state can funnel something into our departments too that have helped with this. Thank you. It's, you know, we're just getting started. So I think that all of your experiences are going to be really important and relevant in determining how best to use what dollars we get and put towards it to really change the narrative as far as the as I call it though whatever whatever approach to violations and those falling into areas of problems as opposed to trying to get them on a track back in and at least having some monitor and awareness and accountability. So really thank you very much and thanks for coming and doing and that We appreciate it. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay, so now we'll move on to item 35 and Madam Clerk, I want to introduce that item please. A request to receive and file a presentation regarding the fiscal year 2025-26 county and state budgets including the county's financial rebalancing resilience initiative and provide direction as necessary. Thank you very much and we have the administrative office going to be able to come in and make the presentation please. What'd you get set up here? Yeah, all right. Good. I want you to get set up here. Good morning board Lisa how county administrative office here to present the 20 fiscal year 2526 budget update which will begin July 1st of 2025 So a slide we typically show as part of budget presentations. This is just the overall view of the ongoing budget cycle budget preparation at this point is about an 18 month cycle. So we're currently in fiscal year 2425 for preparing the budget for fiscal year 2526. here on the first number financial forecast. We presented the financial forecast in the fall. Then the board adopted the goals and priorities back in January or February. And then we did the budget instructions. We sent out to departments at the end of December. Departments took December and January to develop their status quo budgets, as well as any request for additional resources, as well as reduction lists due to the anticipated budget gap. And we're currently in stage five there, which is our office is reviewing all of those proposals and ultimately crafting the CAO's recommended budget that will be presented later in May and then we'll hold the budget hearings June 9th through 11th and then final budget approval occurs once the books are closed for the current fiscal year 2425 and that comes back to the board in September. So similar information here but this is just the actual board dates of when things have come to your board. So November 12th, we hailed the fee hearing for upcoming fiscal year as well as presented the one year forecast as well as a multi-year financial forecast based on different assumptions. February 4th, we reviewed the budget goals policies, balancing strategies and approaches and board priorities. March 11th was last board meeting and that's when the facility infrastructure five year capital improvement plan was presented. And then today presenting the status quo budget update and this is providing the boarded update on how departments actually submitted their budgets from a status quo standpoint and where the actual budget gap has come in at. Looking at ahead at May 20th, that's when we will present the recommended budget or introduce the recommended budget and then June 9th and 11th, we will hold the budget hearing. So back in February, this is a representation of how the board adopted the budget focus for this upcoming fiscal year, starting with the ongoing priorities, public safety being the top priority, followed by fiscal stability, meeting legal mandates and meeting debt service requirements, and then the specific priorities focus areas for 25, 26 with separated tiers. So the first tier being homelessness and mental health, housing and economic development, second tier resiliency, including emergency preparedness and infrastructure and recovery and water and then organizational effectiveness. So as I indicated, departments present or request status quo budgets as part of the budget development every year and that they're instructed to provide the cost of continuing to provide the current programs and services. No additional staffing is added into a status quo budget nor any increases outside of what we expect. We don't assume anything's going to be added for the remainder of the current fiscal year, or any new resources for 25, 26 from a status quo standpoint. We also assume expenditures that are currently funded with any outside revenue will continue to be offset with if any grant funding is going away. We also assume any limited term positions that are funded with those grants will be being reduced off the department's position allocation list as well as any federal and state funded programs we assume will continue. And that's really to make point here we haven't made any assumptions based on any Of the state budget proposal because it's just too early to know anything yet And so that's not nothing is assumed there and then nothing at this point for any federal potential reductions So moving into the actual numbers and this is just the general fund budget as a reminder, we really have kind of three budgets we talk about and we have our general fund budget, which is really where there's the discretionary funding and that's primarily where the board has the most discretion. We then have our governmental funds budget, which includes the general fund budget and then our all funds budget. But today we're specifically focusing on the general fund budget. At the time of the November forecast, we assumed a $13.9 million budget deficit and provided a range of 10 to 18 million really just due to the sensitivities of the different assumptions. As departments submitted their budgets, the status quo gap came in at 15.3 million. And so within the range of the forecast. And just going over some significant factors that are impacting the budget this year. And we went over these in detail as well during the forecast. Some of the numbers have slightly changed, but for the most part is what we anticipated as part of the forecast, as well as they are detailed more in the staff report. But high level, the counties continuing to experience constrained revenue growth with expenditures out piecing revenue, including in that revenue we're seeing our local property tax, our sales tax, and our hotel tax, our TOT growing slower than what we've historically seen, and then we're seeing also our state funding we receive that's driven by sales tax or real alignment revenue as well as our prop 172 public safety growing slower than historical and not keeping pace with expenditure growth. We're also, so local property tax revenue in the budget we're assuming a 4% growth, which is a few percentage points lower than we've experienced the last few years. We're also shown on this side our unit in a Terry tax revenue is decreasing the budget assumes a decrease of 1.5 million compared to the current 24 25 fiscal year. And that's just due to the county continuing to experience a reduction in the amount of unitary tax, which is the tax paid on utilities as a result of the depreciation of Diablo nuclear power plant. In current budget year 2425, we balanced the budget using a combination of short and long term strategies. So starting in 2526, we knew we would at least start with a 8.4 million deficit because that was the amount we utilized last year as a one-time short-term budget balancing strategies. We're also seeing our liability and workers' confidence rates continue to increase. Looking at next fiscal year, we're seeing a 6.1 million increase combined workers' confidence liability. And one thing to note is that that's on top of the $3.5 million increase that was funded or 3 million increase that was funded in one time FBA last year as part of the final budget in September. We also are seeing a general fund impact due to the Oshianno CSD fire day vestiture coming to the county of about a little over $300,000 general impact, because we will see property tax revenue offset some of that expense. Also included in the budget, we are embarking on a new enterprise resource planning system, and that's currently, county is currently in the process of moving forward with contract negotiations, and as part of that, anticipating an increased licensing fee annual 1.5 million ongoing. Included in the budget is salary and benefit increases. So consistent with prior years, how we typically build our status quo budget is any increases that went into effect from November of 2023 to November of 2024 is included in the status quo budget and that reflected at $18.2 million increase. Automation and building replacement increase, 2.1 million increases built into the budget and that is a result of increases because of we last year we balanced the budget with $850,000 of one or we did not put $850,000 into automation replacement as a budget balancing strategy and then on top of that we're seeing our building replacement depreciation assumed need for what's being replaced based on the auditor's calculation increase. So those two depreciated values total 2.1 million. And those are what's going to go into the designations based on the various automation replacement schedules needed as well as the building replacement. Also included on this slide and this is because this homeless services and housing funds it's outside the general fund and as part of the status quo that division is requesting another 980 thousand of general fund support to fund the various programs and expenditures in that fund. We're also building in 1.5 million for capital and maintenance expenditure increases. Typically the general fund funds approximately $8 million a year for both capital and maintenance projects. And we're increasing that due to the need of 1.5 million of security projects annually as we look at the number of security projects needed countywide related to assessment we did a few years ago. And then kind of on the good side, we're also seeing built into the budget, and we talked about that this back in November, our pension obligation bond rate. We are decreasing it from 4.6% down to 4.6% charged for all departments for salary and benefits and that's estimated to have a $2.5 million savings and that's just due to the amount needed to pay off the pension obligation debt. Also provided in the staff report is just a high level review of how general fund by service group is was funded in the 24-25 fiscal year and then how departments requested their general fund need for the current or looking at 2526. So the lighter gray line there is the 2425 adopted general fund support. The blue line indicates the requested general fund support by departments and again this is just status quo. It's typical that these numbers rise as salary and benefits increase and services and supplies increase. One thing to note land-based is showing a slight decrease in status quo there and that's really related to as part of final budget in September for 2425. We allocated one time funding to the Rhodes fund to offset some of the liability increases, looking at 2526, that was assumed to be a one time general fund shift. And so that is not showing up in the 2526 budget. And this also, it's a good illustration of just where the discretionary general fund goes, countywide public protection being the highest general fund allocated service group followed by health and human services. And then as discussed, we do build the budget from a status quo perspective, but outside of status quo departments do have the opportunity to request any additional resources. This year we were and we called these budget augmentation request, either additional costs for certain contracts or additional staffing. This year we were served 36 budget augmentation request with an expense totaling 7.5 million new totaling 2.4 million from a general fund need would be 5.1 million in an increase of 24 25 positions. has indicated these are not currently reflected in that budget gap. And so any additional or any approved or recommended reduct or allocations would have to expand that gap. But our office is currently reviewing all of these budget augmentation requests to make sure we are looking at your board priorities and making sure we're investing in where your priorities are stated in the current year or in the 25-26 year. And we've also presented this slide. These have been slightly updated from the last time we presented this to the board only because of the reflection of the 25-26 status quo. Here is the multi-year forecast. model of it, just assuming a 4.3% CPI expenditures on all county expenditures and how the red line showing the total expenditures and the blue showing the total revenue. It does include the status quo there is showing a gap of 33.4 million because that would assume an additional increase of 4.3% on salary growth. But wanted to important to show this slide is looking over the next few years. We are looking at a pretty significant budget deficit. And I'll get into the next few slides, our proposed plan as we look to developing the 2526 budget, but did just want to show this. Looking at our, again, revenues are just not keeping pace with expenditures. And I do want to point out that the 15.3 million deficit that we've calculated, it does not account for any salary increases that went into effect past November of 2024. So there were a few board approved increases that have gone into effect past that starting January 1, as well as it doesn't include any assumed increases for any other unions. So kind of a simplified version, you know, key drivers impacting the overall budget. Three really points here. We're just seeing revenue growth is not keeping pace with inflation. The cost of providing services continues to increase while programs continue to expand to meet the community needs. At the same time we're not seeing state and federal funding has not kept pace with rising cost. And then thirdly we must pay competitive wages and benefits to recruit and retain the county's talent needed to provide the county services. So due to the increasing magnitude and permanent nature of the deficits and the updated forecast, the county administrative officer is recommending an alternative deficit reduction approach naming the new financial rebalancing and resiliency initiative. And this is really to take place of the austerity plan as we look to develop the 25-26 budget. The new approach aims to build a budget that avoids continuing and escalating budget gaps in coming years. The really the goal with to build a budget that's resilient and in doing so protecting county services through economic cycles at the same time focusing on fair compensation to the work workforce and then lastly allowing for capacity to expand programs and services to the community in alignment with board priorities. And as part of that, the plan targets to reduce an estimated $40 million of general fund support as we look to develop the 2526 budget. And this is really to course correct for the next few budget cycles. And just kind of to put that in perspective, $40 million equates to about 13.5% to go to the rest of the day. So, to support this rebalancing effort, we administrative office as well as county, all county departments conducted a comprehensive review of all county programs across departments, assessed program impacts, efficacy to the community, the costs, the outcomes looked at overall line with the Ford priorities. Starting back in September we initiated program activity inventory which we did a critical examination of all counties and all the activities over 700 programs and activities identified which county activities were mandated versus discretionary and where there was mandated programs identified of those where we had discretion in the Type of service we provided looked at identifying where the funding is allocated to each activity We also looked at all departments submitted reduction list as part of the budget development cycle With instructions to focus on discretionary services activities. We looked at, and also instructions to look at those program activity inventories when submitting reduction list. And then all of those both reduction list and program activities were reviewed, utilizing various budget teams across the county and did a full examination and review, looked at the impacts and the assessment of all the reductions, and then at the same time have reviewed all of the budget augmentation requests in terms of where certain programs can be expanded. in reviewing this slide just indicates at a high level, critical considerations we are looking at as we review all of these programs, looking at it from an operational standpoint, the impacts to the customer and the organization, potential future precedent, intended results, looked at it organizationally, look county priorities, effectiveness, efficiency of the overall structure the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of that were stewards of public funds and looking at the short and long term implications and he sustainability and stability of potential additions or reductions looked at it from a legal standpoint, as well as county policies or board priority and direction, and then finally from a political dynamic standpoint. So that is where we are from the countywide perspective. We are reviewing all of the department's reduction list as well as budget augmentation request and we are finalizing that over the next few weeks and then we'll start printing the budget book and come back May 20. Did want to highlight here. There's still a lot of unknowns at the state and federal level and that's something we are closely watching indicated in the staff reports and more detail about state budget highlights At the state level expenditures total 30322 billion of that 7.1 billion is being balanced using the budget stabilization account or rainy day fund. Also included in the governor's proposed budget includes a number of propositions that were passed that includes funding and will impact counties, including Climate Von Prop 4 Behavioral Health Services Act, Prop 1, the Care Act, as well as Proposition 30. One thing to note is what has been indicated due to the timing the state budget did not include any impacts related to the Southern California fires and it's fully anticipated there will be significant changes to the governor's proposed budget. So it may impact potentially funding that the county of San Luis gets depending on what's built as well as any federal impacts. At this point, we're not assuming anything state or federally, but we do our mindful of potential federal funding cuts and just how that could impact the county. County gets about 14% of its operating budget from federal funds and so just mindful of that. And then looking at next steps here, we are February through April, our office reviews and compiles the ultimate recommended budget book that's then introduced to your board May 20th with final budget hearings June 9th and 11th. And that concludes my presentation. I'm available for questions. Thank you, Lisa. Ms. Howe, really appreciate that report. And I just think it's really been, first time I've had really a great analysis of our budget at this point in time. So I really want to say thank you. Board members, supervisor Gibson. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd like to explore a few questions that have been kicking around in private conversations here regarding the extent of the gap and the proposal to close. In our traditional status quo analysis, we develop a $15.3 million gap. In your presentation and in the staff report, you made at least a passing comment regarding a $40 million cut which seems like it's $24.7 million more than we need to do to close the traditional gap. That you also in the forecast graph indicated that if we added a $4.3 if we added a CPI increase of 4.3%, that would add $18 plus million and that the overall gap would be $33.4. In which case, $40 million gap still is more than the projected gap, leaving about $6.6 million. So a question I have is, has the admin office settled on paging what we're going to budget our expenditures to be next year? And where are we in that process when is or we you know we're rapidly approaching the 20th of May which I know is only the date that this gets presented so it would seem pretty soon we need to know them. Yes so historically how we build our budget is based on what the gap of the 15.3 and that would be just salaries being paid as of November. When we look at the multi-year forecast, we're looking at potential structural deficits just not only, you know, just to ongoing expenditures both in all object lines including salaries as well as services and supplies. So we really are taking a different approach this year and looking to rebalance the budget, looking at that multi-year, because if we closed that 15.3 million in the current year, we fully would anticipate needing another, or having another budget deficit the following year. And so trying to look at this is a really right-sbalancing. From a timing standpoint, we are currently working by the end of this week. We should have budgets finalized in terms of numbers and be able to provide the board with an update of what that looks like. So I take from what you're seeing that the traditional, and I'm not objecting to it, but the traditional calculation of status quo, which establishes a gap against expected revenues, and such is, it sounds like it's not gonna be the mode this year, that there's gonna be, if you will a modified status quo and you have you have you and your colleagues in admin and consultation with our department had settled on the amount of that expenditures will be higher than the traditional status quo is it going to be that 4.3? So the 4.3 will likely be built in. I will say right now we're in the middle of still working with departments and really identifying reductions and what makes the most sense in terms of can they occur July 1st or could they occur some lead time into some potential reduction. So indicated in the staff report $40 million would be the gap that we were trying to close. But at this point, and I'll turn to our CEO for further information. But I think at this point it's going to be between 35 and 40 million. And again, per the staff report, the 40 million dollars is not identified as the gap we need to close. It's identified as the amount we're going to cut from expenditures. And so I guess I'm trying to gain a little certainty because the sands are running quickly from the hourglass here with having something in public for us to discuss. And I'm curious is to just what the considerations are going forward here. Thank you, Supervisor. And happy to jump in on a couple of these questions. First, let me thank Lisa for a great presentation. And also, let me thank the Department of Heads. They've worked hundreds of hours in the last six months of putting this rebalancing and resilience initiative together. There's been a ton of effort in our departments to actually go through what Lisa had identified there in terms of the programs to be able to carefully balance this against everything that we know at this point. And again, as Lisa also framed in the presentation, this is really about internal baseball, making sure that we're trying to shore ourselves up here with our structural deficit. Before we get additional information from the state and the federal government on potential implications to our budget here. So to your initial question there, was really about how close are we on the additional amount that we've programmed into the $40 million of cut that would be going towards an excess, is clearly you alluded to the $6 million of excess there. And a lot of things, as Lisa indicated, are kind of coming together this week. She also indicated that we're really looking at between a $35 and $40 million deficit right now in terms of where we're really looking at those cuts. And some of it is, as you're aware, pulling down additional state and federal revenue into the county and trying to close the gap in those fashions. Some of it is working with the department heads really trying to understand the programs and the level of the city. And I'm going to move on to the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of for good, we're not as certain as we'd like to be from our revenue side, partly because the chaos at the federal level and the disaster mitigations at the state level leave us uncertain until the May revise comes out and until we see whatever is going to happen out of Washington occur. But also that we've got an extensive process underway understanding whether we can increase our own revenues. And none of that is absolutely final at this point. On the expense side, we don't actually know what the cost of salaries, for instance, our biggest line of course, our biggest chunk is going to go into salaries. So we're not sure what salaries are going to be next year because our contract runs out at the first of July and we've got to negotiate that. And so those multiple uncertainties, it will be, I think, important for the public and the organization to understand how those multiple uncertainties are analyzed and framed in terms of making the choices that come out in the recommended budget. Yeah, no, I would definitely agree with you on that. We're looking at all of those things in coming together and certainly our rebalancing effort will we believe represents a conservative approach to being able to make sure that our expenses match our revenues as they come in. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any further comments so far? Okay, I think I'll open it up to public comment then. And Mr. Brown, please come forward. And anybody else that would like to make a public comment, I guess I do have two. Do I have two? No, I'll leave one. Mr. Brown. Good morning again, Mike Brown representing CoLab. So out of what 278,000 people in the county, only two, want to speak to this issue. We think that this is a great effort. We like the approach. Could you put up the multi-year slide if you can because it would help the discussion? Okay. So you look across there at the gap, the revenue expenditure gap. Those aren't real deficits because in California it's against the law for a county to have a deficit. So they're projected revenue expenditure gaps and anybody who contributes to a deficit is actually can lose their job and have other problems. So, and then somewhere is in section 2900 of the government code. So, if you look across there at those gaps, they actually add up to 201 million in just four years, which is a pretty substantial problem. So I think it's very prudent to look at this and start bringing it down on the front end here. And if that's $40 million, that's what you're gonna need to get out of there because it's not just next year but it's all these other years and that's going to be challenged. So one question is, did staff find $40 million that they're thinking of? And you ought to let them present that in the budget and not piece me, let here. But see a comprehensive professional budget that goes to the issues and has the plan. And then of course, you know, the department heads can grouse or whatever and you have the final authority, but let's this staff present this plan because if you start bringing it down on the front end it's going to be a lot busier on the weekend. A couple of other nuances here. You probably want to take some time out and schedule a separate board item on what's happening with workers comp and liability insurance. because those are jumping out. And if they're jumping up, it begins to say something internally, perhaps about safety for the workforce. And then... because those are jumping out and if they're jumping up it begins to say something internally perhaps about safety for the workforce and then for the on the workers comp side and on the liability side what's actually going on to cause these payments to go up and then you're insurers raising the rates so much and those are those real holes. So there's a lot here. My last thing, again, start your budget review in May. As soon as the budget comes out, go in the classrooms, have workshops that are board meetings and go through everything, particularly if you're looking at this $40 million. Thank you very Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Any other public comment at this time? If not, I'll close public comment and bring it back to the Board of Supervisors here. And I see no lights on. There we go. Okay. Supervisor Paul Ding. Thank you, Chair. Well, this is not an easy conversation and I know that there's been a lot of work done by the administrative office to work with our department heads and I do appreciate the approach that has been utilized to really dig deep into those budgets. We will be seeing a comprehensive budget provided that lists out what operational cuts and reductions we will need to make in order to balance the budget. I think it is important that we look at the multi-year as opposed to just one year. We need to be prudent with our resources. We also need to understand the consequences here. We're going to eliminate programs and services that provide real benefit to people in our community. And we're going to hear from the community about that. And so this is certainly a daunting task and undertaking, but it's something that I believe we have to do. And I think we have a sound methodology and approach. And look forward, obviously, to reviewing what is proposed. But at this point in time, I think that it is our obligation to be physically responsible. And that's what this approach outlines. So those are my comments at this time. Thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Moreno. I first I do want to thank Ms. Howe, Mr. Pontus, your entire team, all of you, because all of you as staff have been working on this, you're part of this at varying levels. And I acknowledge that this is not easy on you. And so I thank you for your commitment to the overall county and what we mean to the public and the services that we provide. I thank you. And to those of you in the community who are concerned about the federal budget, the state budget and our budget, I feel you, I understand that. We are all in this together. We will get through it together. It will be tough. It just will be. But we will make it through. And I would, I wouldn't say that this is a, what was Supervisor Gibson? What did you call this a modified status quo? I would say this is not status quo at all, that we are completely looking at everything and building a new foundation to move forward with. Doesn't mean we're getting rid of everything. That's not what I mean. But we're looking at everything line by line, program by program to make sure we are as effective as we can be with the resources that we have in the needs in our community and the priorities of this board. So thank you all. Keep sticking with us. I agree with my colleague that this is our responsibility to do this and looking at that multi-year forecast, I think, is important that we are physically sound and moving forward in a really strong way so that we're not back here again 12 months later. We don't want to keep doing this year after year. So thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Gibson. Thank you, Madam Chair. Let me add my thanks to staff in a normal budget year, a concept that recedes into the mists of memory, unknown to me at this point. Putting together the budget is a huge undertaking. I thank also the department heads and their staff that contribute to it. Let me add that the analysis, the detailed analysis of every program that we do is absolutely the right thing to do and I appreciate the extra effort that that takes and that that further complicates the workload. Add to that historic know, we're out there on a new level. I would just say that I agree that prudent financial management, which has been the hallmark of this county needs to continue. We face this daunting task in much better shape than many of our peers. And so I support what's going on. I've offered the questions in a good faith effort in inquiry and we'll look forward to what the recommendation is when it appears before us. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisors Gibson. So, exactly as everything that my colleagues noted, I think I fully agree. First, you know, I really wanted to thank the department heads first because I know that, you know, it's been a grueling task in these last months to go through so many programs and look at, you know, take a look at everybody and everything that's in your departments and all the good work that you're doing and trying to determine all the specifics that are helpful to us to be able to make those determinations on where we can, where we can move forward and where we can do what we need to do at this point in time. I wanna think the administrative office as well, but the department heads and their staff really have been tasked with doing something that hasn't been done in at least a decade. And that's really important. I think it's important for the public to know and to understand what that means. You know, we do a lot of good work in the county and sometimes we don't get credit for it. And I really feel like this opportunity here and inventoring everything that we do helps us, you know, recognize the work that each and every one of you do in really improving the quality of life in this county. And now we have this situation where we're going to continue to do that work, but we're going to look at it with a little bit deeper look and, you know, maybe, you know, lose a few pounds in a couple of years here, but we're not going to stop providing quality services and care and concern for those in our county. I think today's presentation this morning was illustrative of the kinds of things that we could be dealing with in regards to the unknowns outside our borders. the 1.88 million that, for example, at Lumen Alliance, is looking that they've been told that the funds aren't available at this point from the federal government. It does impact the lives of the victims and it does impact the children. You know, it can create all sorts of balls that go into one direction. And so we need to be prepared. And I think that this helps us be prepared for all the unknowns that could be coming our way. So with that, I thank you for your hard work, and I know we're not done with this. So buckle up, and we'll just try to do the best we can, and knowing that there's faces behind every one of those dollars and and trying to take keep all the consideration. This is a file and receive so if there's no more comments at least miss wide thank you very much okay we'll we'll continue on and we'll close this item out. All right now we're going into closed session so So Council and Salabair. Sure, you're going to go into closed session. So Council and Sola Bear. Sure. You're going to go into closed session on agenda items five or three five through 15 estimate about 30 to 45 minutes and you want to take close at our public comment. Oh, thank you. Yes. Any public comment on items on the closed session agenda? Seeing none, we're going to close and we will reconvene at 130. Thank you. you you you you We're back. We're back from lunch and I would like to open the session this afternoon With a report out from county council on our closed session. Sure, so the board met in closed session took no report of action. Thank you Okay, so we're on now to item 37 and Planning and building and we'd like to ask the man clerk to introduce this item Request to receive and file a board requested policy framework for a proposed land use ordinance amendment to allow cannabis storefront retail within the coastal zone and provide staff direction and provide staff direction as necessary to initiate an amendment to the county code title 23 to allow for storefront retail dispensaries within the coastal zone at land use ordinance as a tier two planning and building priority. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Okay, welcome planning and building. Thank you, Chair. We have Claire Momberger presenting this item before you and then also Nicholas Borg-Nan supporting from the Sheriff's Office. Great. Okay. Let's go. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairperson Ortiz Leg. It members of the board. Again, I'm Claire Momberger planning and building staff from member. In this afternoon, we'll be looking at the board requested policy framework for an ordinance to allow cannabis storefront retail dispensaries within the coastal zone. Some background to begin our discussion. On October 17th, 2023, the board gave staff direction to consider an amendment to allow cannabis retail storefront dispensaries in the unincorporated county. On December 5, 2023, the board directed staff to research general principles and regulations and peer jurisdictions. On November 12, 2024, the board gave staff direction to prepare an ordinance framework as a pilot program in the coastal zone. And then on December 10th of 2024, the Board authorized the preparation of an ordinance framework as a tier one priority for staff. That framework for an ordinance amendment is influenced by five guiding principles which are intended to one protect public health safety and welfare to an extra long and effective enforcement controls comply with state law and federal enforcement guidelines and finally to minimize the potential for negative impacts on the unincorporated areas Those five guiding principles are summarized on the slide here. Guiding principle number one was to develop strong and effective regulatory controls to protect public health safety and welfare and minimize the potential for negative impacts. Guiding principle two is to provide safe and and well-regulated opportunities for the expansion of small local businesses in accordance with the county's coastal and inland resources. Guiding Principle 3 is to create fair and equitable opportunities for business owners and minimize possibilities for bad actors in the application and lights and seeing processes. Guiding principle four is to generate clear development standards that do not inhibit the growth of cannabis retail storefront dispensaries and the potential tax revenue provided to the county. And guiding principle five is to provide strong and objective guidelines to support an effective and efficient compliance system. These principles would further ensure the development of a responsible and effective ordinance. If an ordinance amendment is authorized by your board, these elements would be considered through the ordinance amendment process. These elements, there are six here, were shaped by the research of peer jurisdictions, the direction of your board, and those five guiding principles that we just went through. I'm going to summarize the first five elements listed here as they're the most straightforward, and then provide a little bit more detail detail on the six element in the following side. The first secure customer access is relating to security requirements and how they should include language about secure access and identity verification according to the state's requirements. The second element is about sales floor visibility where the ordinance should include language about security requirements that require secure areas to not be visible to unapproved persons from outside of a project site. The third element has to do with proximity requirements where standards that require sufficient physical separation from sensitive uses and that promote their opportunities to business operators should be included in an ordinance. The fourth is odor control. While the nature of cannabis retail use is inherently low odor, this element directs that language in the ordinance ensures that nuisance odors are restricted from being detected outside of a project site. And then when it comes to maximum hours of operation, language in the ordinance should ensure that cannabis storefront retail dispensaries do not operate outside of the maximum allowable hours of operation that are set by the state, which are 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. seven days per week. The last element here, the last bullet point, that would be considered through an ordinance amendment, expanding allowable land use categories, we'll talk through on the next slide. But before moving on, it is worth noting in this discussion that the first five of the elements listed here on this slide are reflected in the existing land use ordinance for the commercial cannabis uses that are allowed today. To reiterate, if your board authorizes an ordinance amendment today, that would allow retail storefront dispensaries within the coastal zone Staff would use these six elements and your boards direction to inform and shape the regulatory land use standards Any further or some further considerations beyond these six elements that could take shape through the ordinance amendment process if authorized would be monitoring and enforcement as well as projected tax revenue and an environmental determination. So that six element moving forward to lastly describe this is expanding allowable land use categories. An ordinance amendment if authorized by your your board, should consider permitting storefront dispensaries within the commercial retail, commercial service within an urban reserve line, and the industrial land use categories. And an ordinance amendment should consider that when a storefront dispensary is on site, permitting non storefront dispensaries within the commercial retail land use category. For clarity, this element does not recommend lifting the prohibition of storefront dispensaries in the Ag Non-Prime soils, residential rural and rural land use categories. That concludes planning staff's presentation on this item with the recommendation here on the slide being to one receive and file a report on a board requested policy framework for a proposed New Sortness Amendment to allow cannabis to offer retail dispensaries within the coastal zone and provide staff direction as necessary and To provide staff direction as do necessary to initiate an amendment to county code title 23 to allow for storefront retail dispensaries within the coastal zone line use ordinance as a tier to planning and building priority. And again, there are planning and sheriff's office staff present in the chambers today to answer any questions from your board. Thank you. Thank you, Claire. Okay. Board comments, it was Supervisor Gibson. Question two questions actually. One of them is in the next to the last slide or so you indicated that if there was a thought that if storefront was established in commercial retail that the non-storefront dispensary distribution other related services should be allowed on the same site which seems perfectly reasonable. What if the storefronts established in commercial service or industrial would seem those, I don't quite understand why commercial retail was called out where why wouldn't those be okay in the other ones? Or are they already allowed? Professor Gibson, thank you for the comment. As you indicated towards the end of your comment, yes, those uses are currently allowed within the commercial service. So this would just be expanding its commercial retail for parity. That makes sense. And then it wasn't quite clear in the staff report or your presentation, but in terms of the other measures, for instance, proximity to, I'm not going to use sensitive receptors, but proximity to certain sites that are of concern to our citizens. Are you recommending we go with state standards on this? So as currently adopted and what we would recommend continuing, the county has gone, taken these state standards and added additional sensitive uses. These state standards are K through 12 schools, daycare centers and youth centers. The County of San Luis Pespo has also adopted preschools, libraries, parks, playgrounds, recreation centers and sober living facilities. through four-year-olds getting a joint, I can understand that. That, okay. I... or year olds getting a joint, I can understand that. That okay, I get the concept, but we haven't expanded the actual setback distance from there. We have not. Okay. It was one of the questions that will occur to me later, I'm sure. Thank you. OK. Any other supervisors with no comments? OK. I'll save mine for a little bit later. So we'll go to public comment or open public comment. If you would like to make a public comment on this item, please fill out a slip. Bring it forth. Amy Gilman, please. It's brief, but I have to read my notes. Yes. Good afternoon, supervisors. My name is Amy Gilman. I'm the tobacco control program manager within the public health department. I'm here because cannabis misuse prevention strategies, especially on behalf of youth and young adults, often parallel to back-of-use prevention strategies. I appreciate the delivered approach that our county planners have taken in developing the policy framework for amending our cannabis retail ordinance. I encourage continued consideration of the health impacts of expanding the visible footprint of cannabis retail as the county moves forward. I'm grateful that public health has been a part to some of these discussions so far. We would like to continue that if possible. And I'm available if you have any questions. Yes. Read us the list again, Amy, that we were talking about. I know some things weren't incorporated, but they weren't listed in the report. Could you just go over those again for us? Sure, we had developed a small committee within the health agency I talked about, what recommended recommendations we would like to put forward. We looked one at density, a capping the density and the exposure of the multiplication of the various retail sites that could be creating the public norm. So we were recommending a cap of one per 20,000 residents. We also looked at possibly expanding or recommending the extending the proximity requirement to 1,000 feet. That would be an increase above the state requirement. Again, that's trying to remove the visibility and the attractiveness of the product from the sensitive sites. Please note that our current standard does include, does it, in fact, planners, does it include the colleges? No, it does not yet include the colleges. Okay, thank you. We also looked at marketing and signage visibility of the shops and any billboards that might be available on highways or on sidewalks. We also looked at looking for some way to fund local prevention education programs because currently we're not funded to do so. Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate that. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Back to public comment Austin. Canela, please come forward. Good afternoon supervisors. My name is Austin Canela, and I've been operating licensed cannabis businesses in San Luis, the Spacowni for over 20 years. Probably the most experienced local operator with farms in Nippomo, Lososos, and retail dispensaries in San Las Obispo, Rover Beach, and now Guadalupe. I know this market better than just about anyone, and I've fought for years professionally, respectively, and persistently to open a legal dispensary in the county's unincorporated area. But today I'm not just disappointed, I'm a little upset. Limiting cannabis retail to the coastal zone is not only ill only illogical It's politically motivated and all my experience. I've never seen a land used to be allowed in the coastal zone But prohibited in Lynn especially one that's already legalized and tightly regulated by the state and makes no planning since I think it's clearly driven by personal Political preferences and not by data or public input and certainly not by what the county residents need. Because these coastal cities like Avila and Cambria don't have the year round population or customer base to support a sustainable cannabis retail as tourists are not consistent customers and meanwhile viable underserved areas like Nippomo and Tipleton are being completely excluded. Calling this a step forward is kind of just another bluff. It seems like another stal tactic that will ultimately waste the time, energy, and public resources. I think the industry deserves better and the public deserves better. So what I would like to see happen is try to expand the zoning beyond the coastal zone and include the in-line communities that want access and actually have the demographics to sustain a healthy regulated market. You should prioritize local inequity applicants, set minimum qualifications for operators. No just reward whoever gets in line first. We need operators who are invested in our communities, not corporate cannabis groups that's fruit been cashed out and given nothing back. And also consider limiting retail to the commercial service zoning as it was done in the previous medical ordinance. I think this would ensure that dispensaries are actually located in more commercial zones that are better suited for neighborhood compatibility in the day-to-day local access rather than tourist-facing corridors. And I think this would be a simple effective way to reduce community pushback in the long run and preserve the character of our main retail districts. This is a once in a decade opportunity to fix the damage caused by years in this management and slows cannabis policy and actually start supporting legal regulated and local cannabis businesses that have invested everything to do this the right way. I'm allowing cannabis retail in the unaccompanied areas as a step in the right right direction but it only really works if it's applied countywide. Restricting access to the coleslaw only guarantees failure. I don't think any of these stores will be very successful and sets up this for another ineffective symbiotic policy. The goal is to create a functional tax generating well-regulated industry that actually benefits the community it serves and we need to allow retail and areas that are economically viable and demographically appropriate. Anything less is window-dressing and just another missed opportunity for Sanless of the book county to finally get this right. Thank you. Thank you, Austin. Okay. Is that it for public comment? Oh, excuse me. I do have one. Justin Carson, thank you. And here comes Murray. Okay, go ahead. Hello Board of Supervisors. Thank you. My name is Justin Carlson. I have cannabis farms in Los Osos and Caiúquez. And I'm here to express my support for Spencer E's in San Luis Busbola County. I do agree with my friend Austin Canela that we should expand out of the coastal zone-ish because a majority of the small coastal towns, towns don't see the foot traffic they need to be successful. And if we want to be successful, we need to open it fully up. I do think all this is a step in the the right direction. I'm very supportive of it. I think this is gonna help offset the cannabis taxes from the people like me that are producing the product. I feel like we've been propping up this industry since it started in San Luis, this is been uphill battle. And now is our chance to kind of make it right. And so I just want to express my support. And thank you. Thank you, Justin. Okay. Start in trying to get myself organized. Okay. Back again, Murray Powell, not Not a couple of residents not speaking protected. So I just have some questions on this. Looking at the staff report, a page staff report. I notice on page five that there is a comment that the businesses will not have any limits on locations, which I find a little strange. So the way I read that is we could have a one block and temple them with six pot retail stores on one block. It's the way I read it. So I don't know if I'm understanding what it says. The other things are that putting retail stores in any location, there's a lot of very well-respected studies that indicate that the amount of minors that will become more accessible to pot is around 15 to 20 percent. so when tampled in, the high school and the elementary schools are right at the end of one end of town. It's a short walk through that town to get to, not that they're going to walk in, but I like to tell people when I was 16, 100 years ago, I had had no problem getting beer whenever I needed it. Okay, it's the same thing. So I think you need to consider what the health and safety effects are for our underage children when these retail shops go in, and especially in smaller communities Temple in San and Margarita, San Miguel, you name it. That Mr. Canola would like to put shops in. The other thing is I noticed that there's a sell job in the staff report talking about all the tax revenues that we're going to earn. And some of you have heard me about tax revenues. So you know, you guys don't even abide by the ballot measure from 2018, which wanted a 10% tax rate for the last three years. And I've tracked the losses between the boards reduced rates and where it should be. And we're getting real close to a million dollar of tax revenue losses. And I also know that in the ballot measure, now you guys have the opportunity to actually set different rates for different types of pot businesses. So I think all this needs to get established before you guys move forward on this project. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Powell. Okay, we're gonna close board public comment and bring it back to the board. Supervisor Gibson. Thank you, Madam Chair. A couple more questions. One for my good friend, Ms. Gilman, if she might appreciate the participation of Public Health, and I know that it would be important for your department to be continued to be engaged. But I was curious, does Public Health track with specific statistics. I'm trying to figure out how best to phrase this. Do you have data on the effects of recreational cannabis on youth? We got to get here. You go. Oh, it's in my microphone. Is it okay? Thank you. When we met last year, we did collect some local data. We do not have hospital-based emergency room data for any cannabis-related instances. We do have some local EMS data, but it doesn't actually distinguish a cannabis use issue compared to a drug issue. So it's very hard to detect local impact. We were aware of that when we were developing our recommendations. We do see on the other hand that an increasing proportion of drug and alcohol clients do have cannabis use disorder. So that is increasing, but we don't yet have a hospital impact. Yeah, I think, like I say, I think it's really important for public health to be continued to be in the conversation. But at the same time, I think actually having some appropriate observed numbers would be important in forming the policy decisions, thanks. Yeah, certainly. My other question that finally recurred was part of the exercise here was to survey our city colleagues in terms of their experience with that. I didn't, again, did not see in the staff report any specific analysis of what occurred in the information gathering. Let ask, in terms of those jurisdictions that adhere simply to state standards, what reports do you have of criminal behavior or suspicious behavior or behavior that might threaten the health safety welfare of the community? Thank you, supervisor Gibson. Most of our research on jurisdictions with existing retail storefront dispensary programs were on neighboring jurisdictions specifically, individual municipalities within the County of San Luis Obispo, and then our border counties, Monterey and Santa Barbara County, all of which in our research, modify state standards in various ways, one way or another. So we don't have data specifically on jurisdictions that just take the state minimum and go with that. Right, well, let me generalize the question a little bit more. Nor do you have, it would seem evidence of a crime wave connected with retail cannabis storefront dispensaries. Is that correct? That would be correct. Yes, we have not seen evidence of that. In fact, when we were here in December, or perhaps it was the hearing before, there was no report of any crime that I knew of. I mean, my recollection is there was no crime reported connected with a retail storefront dispensary is that your understanding as well? So there have been certain criminal incidents related to retail dispensaries within the county in speaking with our partners in county jurisdictions. They've not been serious. There's been instances within the city of San Luisbizbo where there's been attempts, but due to strict security requirements and operational characteristics, theft has been limited if existent at all. Nothing, would it be fair to characterize it as nothing, nothing different than the challenges that any other retail establishment faces in that regard. I would say that's a fair. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Those were my questions, Madam Chair. Okay. Any other input from board members? Supervisor Paul Dink? Oh, well I have some comments I guess. If we're shifting to comments versus questions I guess. Yeah, yeah comments or questions. Kick off the comments then. I think that the approach that staff has provided makes sense. Starting in the coastal zone I think is a good approach to kind of see how it goes and there are additional complexities associated with the coastal zone that we need to work through in terms of the details of the ordinance. I do support keeping it as a tier two priority. I want to see that our planning and building department completes the important housing effort that we've identified trying to implement certain policies of our general plan. And so that's where I'm at at this point in time. Thank you. Thank you. Any comments? No comments? Yeah. Madam Chair, I'm mildly frustrated, maybe three out of 10. That we haven't made a little more progress on this, because this is pretty straightforward stuff as far as I'm concerned. I get the situation that makes it possible to proceed in the coastal zone. I'm fine with that. My direction would be, and I would hope we could get some support from my board, on those matters that have state standards, we should adhere to state standards. of operation, the setbacks from specific sites and the distances of those setbacks and any other thing that, you know, that the state regulates, I think our security, for instance, what's required there. I think it adheres to our, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the standards that way. If the state standards change, we don't have to come back for amendments. I think the experience of retail cannabis, I get the challenges of legalizing a psychoactive drug recreationally. It's plus its minus its reality reality that we have to deal with. But I'm very, it's been very consistent, the absence of evidence of criminal behavior regarding things like setbacks and hours and the like is striking to me. And so I think we perhaps can ease up just a little bit. Make this simple. In an effort to get this out. I get it that there's a long process ahead. Where planning is going to consult our communities through the advisory councils. Where they got to go through the planning commission and on and on and on. But my suggestion would be to stick with the state standards. Let's move this through as quickly as we can. Thank you. Supervisor Marino. So I watched your meeting at all of you had last year. So I kind of watched and went through this process that you all talked through. I, as you might expect, I'm very concerned about the health aspect, especially as it relates to our youth and that we really don't have those numbers. There haven't been really good studies done, but we're seeing more and more that it is having a negative impact. So that is a number one concern. But aside from that, in the conversations that we've been having about our priorities, you know, I can hear one of my colleagues say, okay, yes, I agree with staff. Let's put this on a tier two. And I hear another one saying, I'm frustrated that this isn't going quicker. So that tells me there is going to be some staff effort put towards this. And I would say that every hour put towards this, that isn't put towards our housing priorities, is a mistake. We have significant work to be done and I appreciate we have a housing task force and I actually prefer to have an update on that and really understand where we are and what tools and capacity to staff need to implement that as quickly as possible. And the more hours we could put towards that, I would be more in favor of that. So I'm not supporting this item. Okay. So I have a few items here that I wanted to share. First off, one, I think that, you know, understand the frustration from the industry. We don't have three votes to get to the full county. That's part of the problem. That's why this is a pilot program is because we don't have the ability to spread it to the rest of the county. We wanted to demonstrate that there could be some benefit one to the industry, first off, to help balance out some of the tougher roads that they've had, both in the marketplace as well as trying to get through and navigate our regulations here in San Luis Obispo. So that's number one, two is that we had a really great staff in our cannabis division. And the cannabis division actually with the sheriff's in hosted in the sheriff's department had a planner. So this was never meant to be something to put on a tear at the planning and building. So I'm frustrated because it shouldn't even be on the tears. This was over in the sheriff's department and it could be conducted and executed without getting on to tears and all this other stuff. So that frustrates the hell out of me because that was the one thing I wanted. We have a very bright planner right here that can write this thing and get it done. And so, you know, that there was never meant to impact, the larger priority, which of course is housing. Second thing is that most of the people who are opposed to cannabis usually have a lot of misinformation in regards to, there's going to be armed guards out front. There's going to be, you know, big glaring signs. And in some jurisdictions throughout the state, I suppose that is the case. We had already had decided that we were going to be, have a reduced visibility in regards to signage, that there's, you know, while there's security, you have to get through the security chain of command in order to get into the place in the first place. It's not that you're going to have armed guards standing outside. Yes, there's a process for identification to get in. And then once you get in, you have to demonstrate that you're of age and an adult and otherwise you don't get in. So there's, you know, that's that's the other misinformation that those operators have to have that kind of security in order to have that. But the question I have right now is that on that density, when we talk about the state level, and we were talking one per 20,000, none of our coastal areas are even 20,000. I don't know what Oceano is population wise. Do you know? 7,500? Yeah, so I, you know, I don't see us seeing anybody in the right mind trying to set up a shop when we have a coastal area that's underneath a population that probably can even sustain a business. And I think that is one of the things that came really clear in having our roundtables with the industry is that there's just, it's too expensive to have businesses in the coastal zone. The cost of per square foot is really crazy. So it would really be difficult to find a way to make a business work based on just tourism and the kinds of populations that are there. So that was kind of a, of something that we had not thought about, but it was obviously those that are in this business understand that they got to have traffic to make it all work. And so, what's the state standard for density? So the state standards primarily focus on distance from sensitive uses, which is 600 feet K through 12 youth center and I don't have the other one in front of me, but it doesn't set standards for distance between storefront locations. So, I mean, we could add that even though again, you know, we have small and again, I don't think that somebody would make that investment, but we could add it in to get people comfortable. And then on the 1,000 foot of the sensitive receptors, is that what the standard is? So let me actually pull up those exact steps. I appreciate that. Maybe it's in our report, you want to kind of glaze over these things? So the existing state standards are 600 feet from K through 12 daycare centers and youth centers. And that's at 600 feet. The County of San Luis Obispo goes beyond that for all commercial cannabis uses to add in preschools, parks, playgrounds, recreation centers, libraries, and licensed sober living or drug and alcohol recovery facilities, also at 600 feet. Okay. So that's what the standard is right now. And our health department had said 1000 feet, I think. But okay, we can live with that. What was it on the industrial footprint as far as zoning? What did we say it could be allowed in industrial if it's in the coastal zone? So yes, we would be allowing storefront retail within commercial retail, which would be a change from our existing retail, and then it would still be allowed in commercial service and industrial as our existing retailers are. Right. Yeah, okay, very good. And then, and then, I'll make some operations. You know, I just have to say that, you know, there's, there is the other side to cannabis. We've talked about this in the past, you know, certainly young people who get beer can get cannabis without having a retail place in their neighborhood. We know that. We also know that for cancer patients and health aspects, cannabis is also used for that too. So there is a medicinal quality. And I don't know what medicinal quality alcohol has, but I haven't heard of any. So there's that. And I just, you know, I think that adding the expansion of the distribution capability is something that we would want to do because that was one of the feedbacks that we got was that if we could expand the capability of it, it would work. I know that, you know, I've heard from my folks in Avala. They're not real thrilled. But again, they had a lot of misconceptions. And talking to the retailers, they have been saying, we don't want to be in Avala. We don't want to be in Avala. We don't want to be in a place that doesn't have that kind of traffic as well as we don't really I want to be out on the main thoroughfare anyway. So I think that there's a balance that can be struck here between just getting something set up in a prototype. It's, you know, either, you know, it's kind of like we've been doing this here. We're kind of like kind of pregnant, you know. We allow cannabis and yet we don't allow them to do anything. so we've got a great department. We're spending money on and yet we're not really focusing on the ways that we can generate revenue from it. And guess what? It's already available down the street. It's can be delivered anywhere. It's coming from outside the county and those counties are getting the revenues. So, you know, it just, it frustrates me in those terms. So I'm going to stop my little rant here and go to Supervisor Gibson, please. Help me. Man, I'm, I'm sure I think one thing to note is that we authorize this plan amendment. Two things happen. One of them, it goes on tier two to Supervisor Marino's concerns. That means that planning works on housing before they work on cannabis. They don't work on cannabis until they have time given what they're doing on housing. So I think that priority is appropriate. Second is this then goes through a long public process, especially through our planning commission, formal public hearings and the whole sausage making of getting regulations of any sort, land use regulations in particular. I will note that the history of cannabis regulations over what the last nine years in this in this county have we started in less than a really functional place with a board that understood that it didn't make sense to ban it outright but had absolutely no enthusiasm as a group for having it here. And so the regulations we put in place were arbitrary. They were needlessly restrictive. They have been the source of great frustration reasonably. So I think as we move forward, we need to keep two or three things in mind at the same time, is that given the state legalization and recreational cannabis and the pervasive use of it, we need to have rational regulation as to the establishment of those facilities that are allowed under it. And storefront dispensaries are an obvious piece of it. They are to, the equivalent of a liquor store. At the same time, we have to be absolutely aware and committed to addressing the health impacts of it. But banning dispensaries isn't going to materially change the health impacts. And so let us go forth committed to rational regulation of the land use that will allow storefront dispensary to be established with the concurrent commitment to making sure public health is gathering information appropriately and providing services to mitigate the negative effects of it. You know, you could add a third parallel track, which is the public safety aspect, but frankly, I don't, we don't have any evidence that there's a public safety issue. Right. So if that's of concern to people, yeah, I think that's baked into a lot of the background checking and the security detailing and the whole, the rest of that. So I'm comfortable based on the general framework that's put forward here with, you know, maybe I don't know if we're gonna come to consensus as a board on what we want to direct, but go forth and go through the, go to the sausage factory here. I appreciate that. And there was one thing, and that was the fund on the prevention program. We had talked about that both with industry and the health department as a piece. Remind me, Nick, on that, what we had decided in regards to making sure that we had some pennies going into helping with prevention and education for cannabis use in children. So there was discussion around potentially in the process of collecting the essentially the license to operate from the auditor controller to have treasure attacks collector that a certain fee be added onto that that would be directed towards public health prevention and outreach. We never really came too much conclusion on what that would look like beyond kind of just brainstorming ways of funding that type of program. Yeah, that's right. And I do remember that some of our growers here already participate in a program in Monterey County, which does exactly that. And so maybe we could incorporate that into what hate to ding them too much. But on the other hand, this is an important piece. The last thing I want to say, and then we can move on from this. But what does it, okay, I guess we'll just, you know, knowing that it's got to go through the community groups and everything. I guess that's where planning has to come in. But as far as writing everything, I mean, can we ask the director of planning that, you know, to allow the Sheriff's Department and their capability with planning to write the actual language for this and then hand it over to do the rest of the portion that goes out to the community and to the planning department and all of that? Is that a possibility to try to make something that's not gonna come back and see, we started this one conversation in 2023. It's middle of 2025 almost. Yeah, so Trevor Keith, planning building director. Yeah, we're happy if the sheriff's amenable to that to have their staff continue to work on this. I think our concern that's been brought up is the rack of capacity and understanding our transition with our rebalancing efforts just workload and focusing on housing. If that's the board still top to your priority. That's right. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay. Motion. Well. Yes. Go ahead. I just so the expectations are clear because I'm hearing something possibly different from what all of you are hearing. I'm hearing that if this is a top tier two priority, it gets done after tier one priority. So Mr. LaRue, when we look at the housing element or potentially its director, Keith, if we look at the housing element, how long do we expect that to take for us to do objective design standards for us to do rezoning like Refestiment Thank you if I may Cory Han long-range plan division manager the housing element implementation Framework that was direct by the board is a four-year process We have some near-term actions that will be completed this year and some longer-term actions that will be completed will be started later this year but following to finish up in 2028. Okay, so we've got at least a three-year process to get all of those things. So in my mind, what I hear when we have this conversation is that this priority would go on after those three years. But what I'm hearing the expectation here, and so I just want to know where we sit. The expectation I'm hearing from my colleagues is that, okay, this is tier two, but we gotta get working on this right now. So it's not really tier two, we're calling it tier two, but it's really tier one. That's what I'm understanding. I'm just trying to clarify. I mean, you all know where I stand, but I just want there to be clarity, because if you're working on housing, and this is getting, you know, on the back burner, because we're working on things, I think, the majority is going to be upset, but we've, that's what I've heard, because this is going to be on the back burner so to speak until we're working on our first-year priority. So, could you clarify? Yes. That's what I've heard is that this is going to be on the back burner so to speak until We're working on our first-year priority. So could you clarify? Yeah, so I can try to jump in So as far as our tiers so with our staffing capacity right now and the focus on the housing So yeah, seeing it through kind of this fiscal year and looking at next year we'll be back at your board and in probably November timeframe for our priorities report out on our work. And so at that point, if there's any capacity to take on different projects, that's when we kind of come to your board and talk through these are what's on tier two. Now if you wanna pull one up for us to start working on, we have capacity. Again, it's unclear with the rebalancing effort as well as just the staffing commitments on the housing. Again, in November, I'll know more. So I think that's kind of our, when we look at things and bring it to your board for decisions on what we work at. Thank you, Director. That helps to clarify. Supervisor Paul Ding. Thank you, Chair. Obviously, I'm in the position here of being the swing vote on moving forward. And I already talked about why I think we should move forward in the coastal zone. I do think housing is our critical priority. So I agree with Supervisor Moreno that we need to be clear to our staff as to what our board priorities are. So what I would suggest at this point in time is why don't we go ahead and give clear direction to staff to put this in tier two, which as when we review our priorities, it means that if staff has capacity, it gets worked on. In this case, staff has indicated to us that they are full with the workload that we've given them. So we'll park it in tier two, with the expectation that work will not proceed in this case. And till we get the report in, was it November? The prize report? Yeah, we'll get the progress report around the November. Around November. We'll get the progress report and we'll have a more robust discussion at that time about the timeline associated with the short-term objectives on housing and the long-term objectives and where we might potentially want to elevate this in those priorities to tier 1, for example, if we're looking at the second phase of housing actions, which are actions that will require going through CEQA, you know, all of that environmental review, and be a much longer process. I think if we're accepting right now that we won't move this forward and tell two to three years from now, that really just doesn't make sense. I would say the direction to staff would be that we agree with this framework at this point in time. We appreciate the work done and let's circle back on the conversation in November. Second. Actually, can I add for the record, can I get some clarification on, I see four different points between different supervisors, the first being whether or not, if there are state standards that we adhere to those, specifically with regard to sensitive receptors, whether we add onto those, or we stick to the 600 or a thousand, I don't know if there's a straw. Or if you want to maybe make a motion and then go through those three, my four items. Could I try? I would accept your motion but could I try once and she really did it? Go for it. Technically make a motion. I move we direct staff to add development of the coastal zone, cannabis, storefront, dispensary ordinance to tier two, to what else do we need to do? To accept the framework with the specific direction that on matters of hours of operation, proximity to sensitive sites, and on those two items that we suggest adoption of state standards in our local ordinance, that we further suggest no numerical limit limit on the number of dispensaries and that we further direct staff to develop further the idea of the health impact mitigation revenue source from a variety of possibilities. And I have some comments on that once we get a second. So I'll second that, but I would like to go with the broader expansion of uses that would trigger the setback requirement as indicated in the current draft proposed. So we're just, we're starting this so I can accept, I can accept those those and I think one way to characterize the nature of this project on tier two is that nothing on tier one gets delayed by work that would be taken up on a tier two project. So the housing element will not get delayed by diversion of staff resources to this. And if we need to make explicit decisions when we discuss planning department priorities we will do that. Otherwise, planning department has gotten direction. They've also heard a variety of issues discussed in at the Dias here that may come up as this is further considered by advisory councils in the planning commission before it returns to us for final action. Okay. My second holds. Your second holds. Any further comments? Is that, are we clear? Only two other things items I saw discussed were setbacks as between cannabis retail. The motion includes no numerical. No, no, no, no numerical. The market can take care of that. I don't see if there's a problem there. Other discussion point that was in there was adding distribution to the retail. Yes, and the addition of the extra already enumerated cannabis related uses in commercial retail. Is that acceptable to the second? Second holds. Hang on there, buddy. That's a way. Okay. All right. It's always a fun conversation. Thank you. I think we'll take the vote. Please. Supervisor Gibson? Yes. Supervisor Paul D. Yes. Supervisor Moreno. No, ma'am. And Cheferson Ortiz Lake. Yes. Okay. See you in three years, I guess, guys. I don't know. Next item on the agenda is item 38, planning and building again. These introduce a hearing to consider a request by the San Luis Obispo County Office of Education for a land use ordinance amendment to allow for school district housing on a county office of education's property located at 2450, Pennington Creek Road in the County of San Luis Obispo. Also to be considered is the determination that this project is exempt from sequa. Okay, great. Go ahead, Corey. Thank you, Chair. We have planner Tristan Roach. As the lead planner on this project, we'll be presenting staff's recommendation and along with Eric Hughes, division manager for current planning supporting the project. Good afternoon, Chair, members of the board Tristan Roach with the planning and building department. The item before you today is a request by the San Luis Spispo County Office of Education to allow for school district housing at 2450 Pennington Creek Road. The site is in supervisor district two within the San Luis Spispo sub area north of the San Luis Spispo planning area. The purpose of this request is to allow for school district housing on an applicant owned property at 2450 Pennington Creek Road, which falls within the public facilities land use category and does not allow for residential use. For some more background, the Office of Education's request stems from Assembly Bill 2295, a state bill that allows based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is based on the bill that is bill on the applicant parcel. On September 26, 2023, the board authorized the processing of the request and directed staff to limit school district housing to the proposed site until otherwise authorized by the board. On December 12, 2024, the Planning Commission considered the request and recommend that the board adopt the ordinance amendment with the modification to allow school district housing and parcels designated as public facility land use. The planning commission also requested that staff bring an analysis of the impacts of the recommended amendment to the board. And this has been included in the results portion of your staff report. The board has two actions for consideration today. Option one is the recommended action and reflects planning commission's recommendation. The ordinance amendment in option one would allow for school district housing in public facilities land use category designations for inland county areas when owned by a local educational agency. This amendment would allow for school district housing on the project site as well as any other public facility parcel owned by a local educational agency for county in land areas. This amendment would result in an additional 121 acres on six parcels owned by local educational agencies as becoming eligible for school district housing. Alternatively, the board may adopt the land use ordinance amendment that was presented to the planning commission on December 12th, 2024 for a site specific land use ordinance amendment. The amendment in option two would allow for school district housing on a 1.4 acre project site with any future development of school district housing requiring a separate land use ordinance amendment. Now we'll be getting into the details of the project site and surrounding area. This map shows the project site and surrounding vicinity in the San Luis Spispo sub area north of the San Luis Spispo planning area with the red star denoting the project site at 2450 Pennington Creek Road on the east side of Highway 1. The site does not fall within any urban or village reserve lines and is in approximate 10 minute drive from the urban reserve lines for the cities of San Luis Pespo and more of Bay. Also shown on this map is the California men's colony located approximately two and a half miles east of the site and lastly this map shows Highway 1, Cuesta College campus as well as US Army based San Luis Obispo. This map shows the land use designations for the project site and surrounding area. Outlined in black is the project parcel. The primary land use designation for the parcel is public facilities, which is shown as light blue on this map. And the public facility portion of the parcel would include the area for future school district housing, which is denoted here by the red outline. The remaining portion of the parcel is designated for recreational uses and is shown on the map as dark green. Surrounding land uses also include agricultural, represented as light green and public facility ranch land owned by Cal Poly to the north and north east recreational land operating as the dairy creek county park lies to the east and quest to college public facilities land used to the south Lastly the parcel of butts highway one and another public facility parcel which is also owned by the applicant this neighboring office of education parcel contains the slow county office of education office facilities as well as the Loma Vista community school the community. The community is a community community community. The community is a community. The which serves as the primary use for the parcel and offers several outdoor educational and summer camp activities. Moving to the bottom of the map outlined in blue on the neighboring parcel is the Loma Vista Community School, and directly above that shown in red is the 1.4 acre parcel where the future development of school district housing would be located. So now we'll be moving into the details of the recommended land use ordinance amendment, which would allow for school district housing in public facility land use categories for county inland areas. When requirements are met, this option reflects the recommendation of the planning commission. And what first established a new definition for school district housing in Article 8 definitions. And secondly, would take that definition and establish it as an allowable use in public facilities, land use categories, subject to a minor use permit, and when the parcel is owned by a local educational agency as defined in California government code. The first component of the recommended amendment is to establish a definition for school district housing as one does not currently exist within the county code. The definitions of affordability and occupancy criteria are summarized here and this is based on the teacher housing act of 2016 which provides definitions and terminology used in AB 2295 which is the impetus for this request. This definition provides the affordability and occupancy requirements that would reserve future school district housing to low and moderate income, educational, faculty, and staff, as well as local public employees, and is consistent with Assembly Bill 2295 and the Teacher Housing Act of 2016. The next step for the recommended action will be to take that definition for school district housing and establish it as an allowable use in public facilities subject to approval of a minor use permit and proposes an amendment to table two dash two allowable uses and permit requirements. To ensure consistency with AB 2295 staff is recommending adding a new footnote, footnote 11, stipulating that school district housing is only permitted when the parcel is owned by a local educational agency, as defined by California government code. With that, it is the recommendation that the board adopt the ordinance in attachment to, to amend the land use ordinance, and to allow for school district housing in public facilities when owned by a local educational agency for option one. This project is exempt from sequa and a notice of exemption has been prepared. Thank you. Okay. Board comments at this point. Should we open it up to public comments? Gary Kirkland. We're going to open up to public comment. Anybody who would like to make a comment on this, please come forward. Scary Kirkland from a taskadero. I'm gonna do a little history lesson here. I was a teacher way back in 1700s, a man by the name of John Wesley, broke off from the Anglican Church in England and formed the Methodist Church, which I happen to be a member in bad standing, but I'm a member. Anyway, been there for 40 years. Anyway, one of the things that he taught was that ministers should only last one year at any particular church and then move on. And that went on for a long time, and the ministers would stay at somebody's house in the local community community who happened to be a Methodist. Well, that didn't last forever. Pretty soon there weren't any houses or people would didn't want to accept the ministers, maybe they get bad sermons. I'm not sure. But anyway, so they decided to build what they called a parsnage. And it's just a house where the minister could live. And so they built parsnages. And the problem with it is now the Methodist Church now had to be responsible for this house. And they would use volunteers to fix up the house but volunteers don't always work out very well. And the ministers were pretty unhappy with staying at this house. And one of the reasons was they didn't own the house and they couldn't build up equity. So pretty soon they were saying, well, okay, you can buy it, but you can only last a few years there, and then you have to move on, and then they have to sell it. So finally, what they're doing now is if you become a minister and you're aist Church, you have to provide your own housing, which got the Methodist Church out of the housing business. And it turns out, for the most part, the Methodist Church was terrible at managing housing. There was a place called Pacific Homes down in LA that my dad was involved in. They came up with this program. If you retired, it was a retirement home. If you retired and gave all your money to the church, you could live in this housing for the rest of your life. Well, that went broke real quick. It turns out as my dad said, they may be good at giving sermons, but ministers are not good business people. Anyway, I'm now onto St. Louis in the 1950s and 60s, they decided to build public housing. These big brick houses where people could live and they were public housings. They became din for dins for drug dealers and dangerous people and finally they blew them up and tore torn down. This idea that the school districts are going to go into the housing business, in my opinion based on a lot of history, is a really bad idea. So I recommend you reject the zoning change. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any further public comment? Seeing none, I'm going to close it and bring it back to the board of supervisors. Supervisor Morano. Yes, I would ask I had a discussion with Dr. Brescia back last year sometime and they were talking about property they had in a Tascarero and the potential of partnering with a developer and kind of having a public private partnership that would allow housing and possibly some of it need restricted for affordable some market rate. Does anything being done here preclude that type of arrangement happening on any of these six, seven parcels? I believe, I might not be understanding your question, but I believe if I am, it would preclude the development of market rate units because school district housing would be defined as being reserved for low and moderate income, local educational faculty. Okay, so you couldn't have any sort of a partnership where you build a certain number that were affordable and some were market, it would all have to be deed restricted. Well, moderate is indeed restricted, but. Yes, Supervisor Morin of the Corrie Hahn-Lawrence Plan Division Manager. If I understand your question correctly, this amendment would not preclude those type of partnerships, this will only allow for a specific type of housing in the public facilities, 90s category in areas. But those other partnerships can still happen as long as those uses are allowed in the site that were the subject site. Got it. Okay, thank you, Mr. Hahn. Supervisor Gibbs. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm completely supportive of the Planning Commission's recommendation here. I think that they generalize this nicely and prepared to make a motion on that at the appropriate time. I do think we might add to the motion a little bit of direction. I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be generalized to the coastal zone. I realize that that's a wholly separate process that requires planning resources, planning commission time and the whole thing. But I think it'd be useful to add that to the list and in conversation I was having a supervisor paulting we talked briefly about whether other public agencies might be eligible for this as well. So with my colleagues, unless you had comments, you wanted to get out first Madam Chair, I would move staff's recommendation, move approval of staff's recommendation of the Planning Commission recommendation, and direct staff to add this to a list of, add extension of this land use ordinance change to apply in the coastal zone and to consider allowing any public agency ownership of public facility zone land to be eligible for the same. I would second the if we were sticking with the original I would second that I don't mind giving direction to look at that in context of the housing element and the broader picture of what we're doing but just to say go do this. I'm not quite comfortable. No, that was that wasn't the motion was to add it to their list to be considered how it could be worked into their work plan. It would have to be prioritized by this board or this board can indicate that that's part of our housing discussion and let them work on it as they're able. Okay. Is that provide clear direction? Yes, thank you. All right, then I will second. All right, I, you know, obviously I'm supportive of this. One thing that the staff report didn't do on this even though we had it initially, but is to discuss the fact that why why this is happening in the first place. I don't think that the school district like decided, you know, oh, let's get into the housing business. They're in the education business and they and to educate they have to have educators. And what is really challenging here in this county is finding housing for educators. And so kind of like us, they are missing out on teachers that would love to come to the area and would love to teach, but there's no place for them to live. And that's really what this is about. And so I don't think this is the kind of public housing that was referred to. I also would like to note that in January at our reach conference, we learned about cottage hospital and cottage hospitals very aggressive housing program that they're doing in Santa Barbara County where they now have four or five facilities for their hospital employees in order to keep nurses and staff. People in the cafeteria, maintenance teams, etc. to be able to live in Santa Barbara, which again is experiencing the same kind of housing crisis that we have in cost of living crisis. So I think that that is important to note that you know that's that's the basis of this in the first place. With that I'm happy to support you know I think on the public facilities and all that I think other public agencies have capabilities otherwise I know we do to go without having anything written but but I'm good with the way things are. So we can go ahead. Supervisor Paul, do you have a comment? Yeah, I do support the staff recommendation and approach and agree with all the comments of my colleagues. And look forward to the analysis that the CAO's office is working on to evaluate county-owned land specifically for either partnerships with affordable housing builders and or potentially county workforce housing. In my discussions with the CAO, I know that that item is in progress, but it will come at a later date. And so I think the analysis says to zoning policies that could reflect other goals, including ensuring that public facility zones and the unincorporated area allow housing for whatever public agency that is, which could be the county, I think is a good way to approach that. So instead of necessarily having the directive to staff to try to bring back an analysis of this and modify it, that analysis should be rolled into that other thing that we've already directed. So that's my comment. Thank you. Supervisor Gibson, do you have any further? No, I mean, the specific project that stimulated this is in some ways not the ideal place to put housing being as far from other urbanized areas, but it is in a beautiful part of the second district and who wouldn't want to live there. Yeah, no kidding. That's right. Okay, we'll call the question. Supervisor Gibson? Yes. Supervisor Marano? Yes ma'am. Supervisor Paul Dean? Yes. And Chairperson Ortiz Lake. Yes. Thank you. Okay, next item on the agenda. Second to the last item. Planning and building again. Thank you. Thank you for the motion. Okay, next item on the agenda. Second to the last item. Planning and building again. Item 39 here to consider adoption of an ordinance amendments to title 22 and title 23 of the county code and Resolution amending the framework for planning coastal framework for planning inland area, and the conservation and open space element to modify combining designations for lands with significant minimal resources and lands adjacent to existing mines and queries is sent from Sequa. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair, Mark Luru planning and building. Presentation today will be by Domenico del Porto, project planner with support from Eric Hughes to vision Manager. Good afternoon, Chairwoman Ortiz Legg and Board. My name is Dominic Del Porto, a Planner with the Department of Planning and Building. And today we're presenting an overview of the proposed Mineral Resources Designation Amendment. The Mineral Resources Design designation amendment updates titles 22 and 23 of the county's land use ordinance along with the framework for planning, coastal framework for planning, inland area plans, and the conservation and open space element. The goal of this amendment is to ensure consistency between county ordinances and policies with state guidelines and mapping while protecting mineral resources. Looking back at the history of this project, in 2011, Special Report 215 was released by the California Geological Survey. This report requires the county to update its mineral resources management policy. Then, in 2018, planning staff received board authorization to begin work on a general plan amendment to update the county's mineral resource ordinance and policies. In early 2020, the project was recommended for approval by the planning commission. It then went to the board of supervisors in March, where it was continued to April. But then the April meeting was canceled to the COVID-19 pandemic, and the project was continued indefinitely. Today, this project is back before your board. The county's Mineral Resources Management Policy is made up of the framework for inland planning and coastal planning and the conservation and open space element. Following the release of Special Report 215, the county is required to update its Mineral Resources Management Policy, pursu to the Surface Mining and Reclamation Act or SMARA. This report designated new areas of the county which have a high likelihood of containing significant mineral deposits. Combining designations identify areas which are of public value or our hazardous. Currently there are two combining designations which are related to resource extraction. The EX combining designation identifies existing or proposed mining and energy extraction operations. EX1 combining designation identifies areas of the county which the state has previously designated as containing or as highly likely to contain regionally significant mineral deposits. When new development is proposed, combining designations located at the project site are reviewed by staff to determine if standards specific to those designations affect development. The amendment proposes an additional combining designation for a total of three combining designations related to mineral resources. The EX will be modified to include existing mines in quarries and to remove unused energy facilities. The EX-1 combining designation will be replaced by the mineral resources area or MRA, and will apply to areas which the state has designated as containing minerals of regional significance. A new combining designation, the Mining Disclosure Zone, or MDZ, is proposed in response to state requirements, and will apply to lands within a quarter mile of an existing mining operation. The MDZ combining designation does not propose any new standards. Here we can see a graphic illustrating the mapping changes, which will occur as a result of the updated combining designations. The map on the left portrays the current combining designations related to resource extraction, while the map on the right shows the proposed changes to the resource extraction combining designations in the addition of the MDZ. Please note the MDZ is difficult to see at this scale. Also note that the EX now includes all active minds and removal of unused energy facilities. The MRA reflects the addition of newly designated areas which contains significant mineral resources like what is seen towards the southwestern border of the county. While looking at the southwestern corner of the county, you may also notice that Guadalupe Oilfields, one of the county's energy facilities, which is no longer in use, is now removed from the EX. Language has also been added regarding land use compatibility issues, near the village of Creston and San Maria Valley. Any extraction facilities should be designed to consider the ultimate build out of the Creston community. Extraction activities around the San Maria Valley should be performed in a manner which ensures minimal impact on agricultural resources within the vicinity. In their recommendation, the Planning Commission also requested additional language regarding the Santa Margarita MRA and the North County area plan so that any extraction facilities should be designed to consider the ultimate build out of the Santa Margarita community. The permitting requirements in the EX are proposed so that resource generating facilities will need the applicable land use permit and all other land uses will require a minor use permit. There is an exception for existing single family residences. Permitting requirements in the MRA are proposed so that resource generating facilities will We'll need the applicable land use permit and all other land uses will require a. I'm going to slide here. Excuse me else on the wrong slide here. Permitting requirements in the MRA are proposed to that mineral or petroleum extraction uses. require a land use permit. New subdivisions will be limited to a parcel size of 10 acres and other uses requiring a permit shall not adversely affect mineral extraction potential. There are also prohibited uses within the EX and MRA combining designations. This is to ensure that incompatible uses do not occur on lands where future mining is likely to take place. A few examples of these incompatible uses are schools, waste disposal sites, and air fields. The full summary of proposed changes and list of prohibited uses can be found in attachment 18. County staff worked with county council and local stakeholders who participated in the state mining and geology board classification and designation process. Comments were incorporated into the public review draft. Staff also provided draft documents to the state mining and geology board who provided minor comments and indicated the amendments are consistent with smara. Staff recommends adopting the ordinance amendments to titles 22 and 23 of the county code and adopting the resolution to amend the framework for planning coastal framework for planning and land area plans and the conservation and open space element based on the findings listed in attachment for and waving the reading of the ordinance. That concludes staff's presentation and staff is available for any questions. Thank you. Thank you, Dominic. OK. Any questions from the board? Thinking to my right, thinking to my left. I don't see anything. OK. We have any public comment here? Open public comment. I'm going to close public comment. I'll bring it back to the board. For all the work that went into this, and I know it was not inconsiderable, all I can say is thank you, and I move staff's recommendations, including waving of the reading. Second. OK. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. OK. No further comments? And all will take a vote. Supervisor Gibson? Yes. Supervisor Paul De? Yes. Supervisor Moreno? Yes, ma'am. And Chairperson, our tea slide. Yes. Good job. Thank you. Okay. We're on the last item of the day and this is an opportunity for board members to provide Reports and comments and et cetera, et cetera. So I'll open it up to board members and supervisor Marino. Yes, thank you, Chair. I have a couple of items I wanted to bring for my colleagues to consider. The first one is that we recommend revisiting the fees that we charge for items that are peeled to the board of supervisors. So I'm a, I notice that there's an inconsistency in the appeal fees that we charge. So as it stands, we have appeals in the coastal zone are charge zero. Inland appeals are charged $850 and then cannabis is charged 2000. So this creates, you know, obviously somewhat of an unfair blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and blue and conversations with county council after looking at the agenda language, I think last meeting that we had under financial considerations seems to indicate that we actually have chosen that to give anybody in that coastal zone who's appealing something that relates to a local coastal program that we want to allow them to exhaust their appeals before going locally, before going to the Coastal Commission. And then that board agenda item also so that the appeal cost would be covered by the general fund and of cost exceed the department's budget then the board might be asked to approve additional funding. Which we know that doesn't happen. You know, staff just ends up working on that and not working on, say, the housing element or something. So my understanding, again, is the key point is that it's not a legal requirement, but a board decision. And when I'm wondering if we want to revisit, is it related to fairness and fiscal responsibility? So the, I would say that I have just some notes over here that current structure, I think, has a clearing consistency. So you've got inland and cannabis pain, something, but inland less than half of what cannabis is charged. And then of course the coastal appellants pain nothing, but we have more of those than any. So in 2023, we had three inland appeals, nine coastal, no cannabis. In 2024 we had a six inland eight coastal zero cannabis. This year already we have 11 coastal appeals, four of which we've already seen, seven more that are coming to us, one cannabis zero inland. So the key point is that we're routinely absorbing a majority of costs, particularly for coastal zone appeals, despite charging less even to the ones that are infrequent. So the cost to the taxpayer, I had asked our director of planning and building areas, just for an average cost estimate. And he said, you know, kind of anywhere in the $6, $8,000 that it would cost us in terms of staff time, coordination with the appellants and the applicant, staff reports, presentation materials, legal reviews, all of that. And so given this estimate, we're recouping anywhere from zero to 10% on the low end of our costs and 25% on the high end, which I would say isn't very high, but it's a significant subsidy that's borne by the taxpayer. So given the frequency of coastal fees and the fact that there is no fee collected, that cumulative burden falls onto the general fund, and it's pretty substantial. So I would, in addition to that, if you're willing to take a look at this, we might need to consider and in talking with again with council and with planning I think other areas are dealing with things differently and and have a different view of how things are so we probably have to get a clearer A clearer information to make sure that we are legally doing what What we can if we do decide to charge. But if part of it is we say zero fees so that we preclude, you know, we take off the table, maybe someone going to coastal commission. I'd like to see how many people went to coastal commission anyway, even when we upheld whatever the, as a board upheld the decision that was initially, initially made it either staff level or planning. So what I would like to recommend is that we reassess the fee waiver for the coastal zone appeals if that is legally defensible. I'd like us to consider implementing a standardized fee structure across all appeal types. So possibly we could provide a sliding scale if an appeal is appelled That that is a possibility But really explore cost recovery options while maintaining access and unfair and fairness to the appellants. So any thoughts If I may I will I'll second you know putting that on the for discussion absolutely, especially if it's legal according to council it was always my understanding that the coastal act prohibited from charging. So, no, the way the supervisor and describes it is correct. The regulations specify that in order for a person to be an aggrieved person and appeal to the Coast Commission, they need to exhaust all appeal processes by the local agency. There's an exception, this is, but if the local agency requires a fee for the appeal, then they do not have to do that. So by charging a fee, it allows individuals to appeal projects straight from either planning commission or what's the other one? The review board or the planning department straight to coastal. So she is correct in terms of our ability to do that. And so if you would like a discussion around that. And I know we can't have a lengthy discussion now, but just one follow-up question. Wouldn't that then allow them to bypass us as a local approving body? That's therein lies the discussion. Well, which is why part of my recommendation is we look at how many of them went to the coastal commission after we upheld the initial verdict. Okay. A verdict, that's not correct. But if someone's appealing a decision to us and you know, and the board has said, that, you know, no, we, the initial findings are correct. We don't find any, we're not citing with the appellant. How many times does that appellant now go to the Coastal Commission anyway? Because if we're not actually avoiding anything, all we're doing is slowing down the process, costing our taxpayers more money, might as well bypass this and go to the Coast Commission if they're doing that anyway. So just something to look at. I'm supportive of having the discussion. I think there's a little more to it than that in that actions that this board takes even if it gets appealed to coastal can influence the outcome. So I mean I'm happy to have the discussion. We had it about 15 years ago I want to say and and it was very strongly held that by the board at the time that we wanted the board of supervisors wanted the local control to hear these appeals first and that in in an effort to resolve this at the local level. It was worth the... Um... here, these appeals first, and that in an effort to resolve this at the local level, it was worth the waiver of the fee. I didn't appreciate hearing back the actual nature of what drives the waiver, but we can certainly have the discussion. I think the flip side of it is sometimes we can craft solutions here that do avoid appeal to the coastal commission to the benefit of the applicant. So it's complicated. We've dealt with it for a long time. And you're right. it gets abused at the local level. We saw an afternoon of appeals that were spurious, but species, but there they are. And more coming. But I think it's valuable to look at, you know, whether it's the last 12 or 24 months to get some good information and say did we in any way materially or say material materially impact the ultimate decision even though it's still into the coastal commission. So I think those are that's good information to have. And then I also would in addition to the coastal piece recommend that we have some consistency between inland and cannabis and come up. I'm sure that nobody up here wants to do 100% cost recovery on an appeal. That's kind of putting it out of reach, but I don't think a 10% cost recovery is appropriate either. I think we need to look at an amount that is that helps to recover some cost. Because otherwise that's borne by every single taxpayer. So I think that's something worth looking at as well, having a consistency rather than something here or something there. Let's cross the board. Yeah. Now opposed to the conversation. Yeah. OK. Conversation. OK. Council, do you have anything further? No. No. OK. Thank you. All right. And I did have one more. Please. Go ahead. me to wait until next time. We got time here. Oh, go ahead. The other thing that I wanted to talk about is I... And... one more. Please go ahead. Like me to wait until next time. We have time here. Oh, go ahead. The other thing that I wanted to talk about is I and and I realize this is probably a tough one, but to consider keeping proclamations on the consent agenda and perhaps not having public presentations about those. So what I see is that our board meetings should really be protected for core board business. And I know I'm gonna have a, so whether it's policy, it's operations, it's budget, it's financial oversight, public input, and the time that we spend on ceremonial presentations, photos, commentary around proclamations, I think really distracts from this purpose. Streamlining the agenda would allow us to be more efficient and focused on the substantive issues that our constituents have trusted us to manage. I also want to be able to respect employee time. So many county employees are here to present on particular agenda items and yes, some of them are also here in support of the proclamations. But many times we're looking out and we're seeing at least two dozen employees who are sitting through these ceremonial presentations when their time could be better used working. And I really want to make sure that we're demonstrating respect for staff schedules and for counting resources. I would also say the sheer volume and the lack of policy and a bit of subjectivity that's involved. So I looked up and there are more than 250 national observances each year. And this doesn't include state, local or cause specific requests that we might get. We currently, because I've asked, I don't know that we have any policy that guides, which causes or events that we recognize, and that leads to an inconsistency, and I would say a lack of continuity. And I think what this really does is it opens the door to a perceived favoritism, why one cause and not another, it can lead to disagreement. So not all board members or community members are necessarily going to support or agree the merit of every single observance. And then some proclamations could even be controversial. And I think that places the board in a difficult position without a consistent framework to drive decisions. So I do wanna say I think the recognition can continue just not during the business meeting So we can place it on the consent agenda we can supplement that with social media posts with website highlights Obviously the printed certificates special events that happen outside of the boardroom I've been asked for a proclamation that I'll be delivering at an event later in April and we all do those things all of the time So I think this really really allows us to continue honoring the people and the causes without taking the time from the board's primary work. So this is not about, this is not about diminishing the value of those we honor. We saw people here today who are doing just incredibly valuable work. And this does not diminish the value of that work that they do in any way. It is about staying aligned with our mission using the county time wisely and creating a fair and consistent process. So I would like to recommend we consider that and I'm not I'm not expecting that everyone's going to jump on board with this today but that's mine. That's my argument. It would caution that it is not agenda. So you have two actions in front of you. Either you could do a quick Q&A with staff or you can direct us to agenda is something about this at a future meeting. So Madam Chair, from my point of view. Yes, go ahead, superv I would, I think we certainly can be open to how we structure the agenda and I'm resonate with the thought that this is a business meeting first and foremost. But I would observe that the structure of our agenda is under our rules of procedures delegated to the CAO working with the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the city of the variety of opinions that have been expressed and in each year I think difference to the chair has been one of the hallmarks here that we run by and we'll go from there. That would be my approach to it. Supervisor Paulting? I would agree with that in this case and I think that's a really good idea because there are other ideas circulating even about in some cases we have the introduction of an ordinance on the consent agenda. When sometimes that could be a really robust discussion and then we have the second reading of it when it needs to be approved and shouldn't be modified coming on the general agenda. I think the order should be reversed there so that would be an example of something I would talk with the CAO about if he kind of meets with all of us. So I would support the direction that supervisor Gibson has asked for at this point in time. But generally agree that I think these process efficiencies and focusing on board business is a really good idea. I would agree with that as well. I do have sensitivities to the public and their education of many of the things that we do here. There isn't a lot of opportunity and while you might do social media, a lot of people don't. And I just, you know, I wouldn't mind a day of, you know, we set aside to do proclamations, resolutions perhaps a month or something like that that's been discussed before, but we can have these ideas later in talk with the chair. So yeah, I mean to that point, and I'll just say this throw this one last idea out there for you to contemplate is, you know, perhaps we do have a staff item that's just simply a report on, you know, each department like the DA DA comes one day, and Dr. Bornsden comes one day, and we're having a nice update on what's going on in that department, and the services we're providing, and that's a potential way to, I think, make sure we're making the most efficient use of our time, and in a way that is talking about board business and county business that is accessible to the public because yes not everybody does social media. Okay thank you. Thank you. Okay next. Supervisor Paul Ding. Thank you. Well just to follow up on that I would and I'll be telling the CAO that I would love to have a standing CAO report item on our agenda like the cities do. So that would be one I'll communicate to him. I would communicate that to him as well. All right. Let's see. The item that I have that I'd like to cover today is just an announcement. And that is for the benefit of the public, I'll be holding a district for a town hall on April 3 at Nipomo High School at Olympic Hall. to go from 6 to 8 p.m. and we'll talk about key projects in the community of NAPOMO, including the NAPOMO High School at Olympic Hall. That'll go from six to 8 p.m. and we'll talk about key projects in the community of NEPOMO, including the NEPOMO Community Plan Update, the status of the NEPOMO Sheriff's Substation Project and some other things. So please do attend that town hall if you live in NEPOMO. Thank you so much. Thank you. Supervisor Gibson? I'm talked out. You're talked out, okay, well let me fill in for you for a minute. Thank you. Thank you. So I would like to ask the CAO, when do we get the kind of revised or what we talked about as far as the legislative platform coming back to us? Do you have any? Madam Chair, I looked into that yesterday and it does appear that we have that on the agenda of coming back after budget, but there are several things that we need to talk about before that. So I'll go back, meet with staff and then try and figure out when to get that back in front of you. Hopefully before June, budget hearings. Okay. Well, one of the things that's happening is that many of us are going to CSAC to the legislative conference at the end of April. And I thought it would be helpful for board to weigh in on some items that are currently in the process of legislation so that when we go up we can promote the things that we think are really important for our county. So I was trying to figure out how to coordinate that a little bit. So perhaps. Madam Chair, that's a short time frame. I think that's in like two or three weeks. But yeah, I can get back to you and see if we can get that on there. Okay. All right. And could I suggest, I mean, rather than try to bring the whole platform back, the specifics that you're interested in might be useful. Right. Right. We can just work on that. So maybe, again, something to talk about with the each member and just work on that. So maybe again, something to talk about with each member on things that they're interested in seeing. I know that we have something from the probation office regarding Prop 36 and I think that is important. Obviously there's other things too. All right. The second thing is that I have is the presentation, speaking of presentations, the ability to do presentations, whether it's for resolutions or for other board business other than appeals has been taken away because of our public comment effort. And I wanted to ask to have this be revised again so that any board business, whether it's a presentation, whoever knows what the future of that is, but whether it's a presentation or not, it needs, has the ability to have a video. As for today, you know, we've kind of gone back and forth on this and today this, this low defenders had their information up and I thought it was very helpful to have that public comment remains public comment and that is, you know, people speaking into the microphone, they hand out handouts, but that that's we wanted to see if we can clarify that sure So don't look County Council's office the rules are procedure were amended to preclude Individuals from using county facilities for our county equipment for any sort of item unless you were an appellant and I think the The reaction to that seems to be that that might have gone too far. And that perhaps we should amend that later on to allow individuals to use county equipment during any sort of board business. But because you want to be able to control the time place in manner, and sometimes if everyone's using county equipment during public comment period, it might go out, you know, too long, it's too cumbersome and maybe this board wants to reconsider an amendment to the rules of procedure to allow that. Yes. Yeah, if it's legally permissible, it would be those items that are, you know, presentations that are at the invitation of share, you know, that are essentially board business items, could be a community presentation, again, not just the typical public comment, if that's legally permissible, I would support that amendment. Sure, so, well, and it's not an amendment now, it's for a direction for us to come back to your board to amend it so you guys can consider it. That's right. I am I allowed to say a concern or... I think my concern is we start expanding. I've seen presentations that are I would say that they're not board business, but we consider them board business because they're proclamation and they go on for quite some time. So I you know unless we start putting some parameters or talking about potential parameters, we start to have really long presentations and pretty soon we're an hour into something that really has, it doesn't have an access to board business that is just excess time. So anyway, I just asked us to be cognizant of that as we look at all of this. And RFS can put together different options and a basis for each. So then when you go back to discuss it. I think that would be helpful. I think that that's a valid point. And so if that could, and then we're kind of pulled behind the scenes before it comes back. And hopefully there's that. That would be great. Thanks. Cool. OK. Yeah. I think it's important to be able to share a lot of stuff. This is a big county. We got a lot of things going. We got a lot of different neighborhoods. We have more than just one city. We have seven cities. We have a huge, huge amount of effort going on. And I think it's really important to be able to educate. So thank you for working on those things I everybody and I think with nothing else we will adjourn this meeting. Thank you.