All right, thumbs up. Oh, we got the thumbs up. Great. Thank you. Let's continue with the call to order of the meeting. I would like to start with an observance of the day, officially recognized as a Patriot day and as well National Day of Prayer and Remembrance for the victims of the attacks on September 11th, 2001. So I would suggest a brief moment of silence to reflect on that reflect on that day so many years ago. Thank you for that. Another suggestion that would be in honor of that would be together reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. So I would invite you all to stand and if there are any baseball caps on I don't see removed but with liberty and justice for all. Thank you all for indulging that slight change of our normal, but I thank you for that. I was actually in Washington DC that day. So I had to commute home under through the metro under the Pentagon. So I had to stay at work for a few extra hours while the Pentagon was naturally closed. So it was a very personal experience for me being there and experiencing it, certainly to others as well. But we would like to continue with our business prior to our roll call by welcoming our new Planning Commission member, Bernie, do you wanna say anything officially? Yeah, we have Miss Sylvia Bowman with us. She was appointed by the Ashland Town Council at their last meeting And we would just excited for her to join us I don't know if she wants to share anything, but did so Sure, I moved back to Ashland eight years ago my husband I built our forever house on Maple Street My background is in chemical engineering, but the past 25 years I've been involved in commercial building project management. And I'm looking forward to participating and helping anyway I can. Thank you. Glad to have you. Thank you. Let's continue with the agenda with our roll call, please, Bernie. With the roll call, I want to note that Ms. Amy Hay gave notice that she would be absent due to illness for today. Thank you. All right and just simply reply within a Mr. Brent Chambers. Here. Ms. Linda Wright here. Mr. Tim Merrill. Here. Ms. Sylvia Bowman here. With that we do have core. Thankerro. Here. Ms. Sylvia Bowman. Here. With that, we do have core. Thank you, Bernie. I appreciate that. Next item on the agenda is approval of this agenda. So I'll pause if my commissioners have any suggestions for a change or modification or if Bernie knows of one before we make a motion to accept. Well, before we start the motion, as having a new planning commissioner, I just wanted to refresh everyone's memories that we typically follow the Robert rules for small boards. Okay? So as we go forward and we make motions, they're not required to have seconds. Okay? And it just allows a little bit more casual conversations through the meetings. And just to refresh our board's memories, I gave them a little nifty handout, just something we found on the internet that reviews it, and that it will also be entered as part of the minutes. That's great. Brent wanted to confirm that we weren't being given be able to do that. I think that's what we are going to do. That's great. I wanted to confirm that we weren't being given this because of our strain too far from proper etiquette meeting. I think I was in trouble. I can't suddenly remind. I considered administrative or important to one commissioner. I'm going to give it to all commissioners. That way we're transparent. Very thoughtful. So with that I move to approve tonight's agenda. Thank you. Ms. Wright. Aye. Mr. Merrill. Aye. Mr. Chambers. Aye. Ms. Bowman. Aye. Motion carries. Thank you, Bernie. The next section of the agenda is for citizen input for anything that is not already on the agenda. So if there are people here having seen or if you have not seen the rest of the agenda, the main public hearing tonight is regarding the Iron Horse business park. So that will, I imagine, consume most of our conversation, but if there is a discussion item from somebody in the town that they would like to speak to now is your opportunity to come forward state your name and address and what you would like to discuss with the planning commission. I will take people staying in their seats as indication that there isn't anything for citizen input right now so thank you we will move on to the review and presentation of the minutes as indication that there isn't anything for citizen input right now. So thank you. We will move on to the review and presentation of the minutes from our August 14th meeting. They have been distributed to us, and if there are any comments on the minutes, or if we have a motion to approve, and soviet, what we typically do in advance, and we all treat it somewhat differently, but we'll try to read through through and just sort of Bernie always does an excellent job but just to check if there were any differences in how the minutes were presented to the conversation that we remember and we usually offer some sort of minor revision or correction if seen you having not been at the prior meeting won't have that necessarily but I'll defer to my other commissioners if there was something they acknowledged or saw that would be adjusted. Okay. Or Sylvia you as well if you have the chance to look at changes. Okay. Okay. Motion to approve the minutes. I move that we approve the minutes from the August 14th, 2024 Planning Commission meeting. Thanks Linda. Mr. Chambers. Aye. Ms. Wright. Aye. Ms. Bowman. Aye. And Mr. Merrill. Aye. Motion carries. Thank you again, Bernie, for such a great job with the minutes. I know that's hard to do and I appreciate you doing it. We don't have an official presentation that I know of. And last, there's been a last second adjustment Seeing Nora shake her head usually is the person who knows the most about this so I will invite Miss Amos forward to give us a Presentation and an update on the iron horse business park rezoning case with its applications for conditional use permits. So good evening and welcome, Sylvia. We're so happy to have you. So I am doing a much abbreviated presentation compared to last month, but I have some of those slides saved to the side if there's something that we need to pull up or if you have any questions, I can go over that. I'm mainly going to go over an overview of the case, what you all discussed last month and what has changed since last month. And by you all I also mean the comments that we received by the public and getting some answers to those. So the public hearing we're having this evening is for the Iron Horse Business Park. It's for a rezoning and two conditional use permits, one for height and one for the location of substations. And again, I apologize. I'm going to turn out these lights. Oh, I can go. Just makes it a little easier to see the graphics from behind. So this is a request that we receive from Andrew Conlon of Roth, Jackson, Gibson, and Conlon PLC on behalf of the property owner, Tradeport, Ashland, LLC. They filed this application to resume, rezone approximately 102 acres in the town. Their request is to rezone from a plan shopping center, plan unit development, and RR1 to a mixture of M1 and B2. The rezoning also comes with the requirement that we approve an ordinance, just kind of the formality of approving that rezoning request. And as I mentioned, they've also requested two conditional use permits, one for a height allowance above 45 feet and one to allow for substations, electric substations. Here's the property as it is in the town. Just again, over 102 acres, it's, let's see if we can get the pointer here. Here's a route 54, Here's wood side lane and then here's Mount Herman. Just off of the screen here to the west is the I-95 interchange. Here's the concept plan that was included in your package and you can show see here that it is also including the area to the east that's in Hanover County. And so they're doing a coordinated application really where it's being reviewed by Hanover County the same time that we're here reviewing our request. They had a request, they're requesting for M1 zoning over there to match up with their comprehensive plan. And so here you can see where the substations will be located, the 150 foot setback, or 150 foot buffer, and the 200 foot setback. So this request has been amended, well, mainly not formally amended, but we have discussed amending the amount of B2 in the request. So originally, I believe they had approximately 18 acres of a B2 request. There would like us to discuss amending that to possibly be 13.31 acres of B2 and 88.7 acres of M1. When we get into the comprehensive plan, I think I kept that map up, the original request was matching up exactly with the comprehensive plan, bringing that B2 area all the way over here, which is what was shown pretty specifically on the comprehensive plan, but the area that they need for the substation is reduced and so they have reduced the request. Staff is undecided, undetermined really on how that fits with the comprehensive plan. I think that the data center is an industrial use. This would allow them to have extra use as a data center in the M1 section where they couldn't in the B2 section. The concern about having the entire property go M1 section where they couldn't in the B2 section. The concern about having the entire property go M1 because I think we discussed that last month would be if right now it's just a data center but if someone came in and this went away and it wasn't data center and someone wanted to come and use that underlying zoning, B2 really matches up with what our comprehensive plan calls for more than M1. And so while this is coming in, it's just going to be a substation which is allowed in B2 and it's just going to be data center which is in M1, if that went away and they wanted to come back and do a rezoning, I think we'd be hard pressed changing that B2 or that M1 back to B2 to match with what our comprehensive plan says today. Hopefully that isn't too confusing, but we can address that more as we discuss later on. So the Hanover County case is asking for rezoning to M1. Their RS residential district and their AR6 residential district. There is 77.62 acres going to M1. That's part of the data center request. And then they also have a request Amending what was originally approved in East Ashland a townhouse development to be 49 single-family homes And so this area right here is where those new single-family homes would be we're working with the county and the applicant to make sure that we're providing Access to this M1 industrial portion in town. The yellow is the Ashland request and these additional blue parcels are a part of the handover request. Sorry, yes ma'am. Okay, I see what the handover request for the resident was. What is right just north of that? Can you get it at that? I'm sorry, I see where you have the handover request in the purple here residential what is that just right there but no above it this yeah what is that that's M1 okay and that's in the town that's in the town correct Okay. So they did make some amendments to their proffers based on the comments that we received that they received from the public hearing last month. I will go and overview all of the proffers though for this for our conversation. So the data center plan contains a proffers regarding noise limitations, elevations, proffers and noise limitations, elevations, a proffers and setbacks, and it does proffer a maximum square footage of 1.8 million square feet on the concept plan. It doesn't show how many buildings there will be just that there's this maximum square footage allowed. It also limits the level used to data centers within the M1 district and their accessory uses as well. The applicant would want to have any other use, if they would want to come back and have any other use on the property, they would have to come back and have the property rezone to amend these proffers. So the data center buildings will be constructed based on the West Ellis Iron Horse Data Center elevation examples as well as the concept plan that was submitted with the updated application. There are proffers regarding the materials and colors of the facade. There are landscape proffers that address buffers and entranceway landscaping. Last month, we had concern over the 150 foot buffer. What would happen if the landscaping died and that they're ended up being where you could see through the buffer and so they have amended that proper any natural buffer will be maintained and replaced as needed. We also last month discussed that they did not have a trail along Route 54 so that has been added in the proper statement. No outdoor storage will be allowed. Last month we did discuss what does that mean. So any accessory components to the data center can be allowed outside. What can't be outside is, they can't probably lay out. I don't know that they would have this, but if they had wires and such, you know, schools of wire, that can't be laid outside. And I think it was batteries. Was the- But the batteries that are part- that are basically an accessory to the data center building would be allowed. Well, the store doesn't. And then all buildings will be set back a minimum of 200 feet. They have revised their noise ordinance. If you remember last month, we talked, I believe they had a no, or a proper saying no more than 70 decibels at the property line, which was more than allowed, that is allowed in our noise ordinance, which is what this chart is. And so they revised the proper saying that they will meet all of the noise ordinance requirements but then also before construction, they will do an ambient noise study to make sure that they're not increasing it after development. Can I ask a question? I said the noise, this is in the code, right? The box is in the code, yes. Right. So I thought they said it was no it was no more than 70 But it looks like they're well within that if the codes are 77 That's for these are adjacent uses so if you're so if you're an M1 and you're adjacent to residential at that residential property line It has to be 57 or 52 I see so where they a join Hanover County That's where they can be 77 because it's M1 Where they join B2 that's where it can be 67 or 62 and They were seven they were measuring about 70 they had profit 70 at all the property lines But they've revised that they have revised that where they're just going to follow the noise organs. Excellent. There will be a minimum of 30% of the property left is open space. We know there's very sensitive environmental features that should be protected and we would review that and make sure that the 30% is met during site plan review. And then the transportation improvements are along Mount Herman and Route 54 include turn lanes. days of all been preferred. We have had Kim Lee Horne review the TIA and there are some questions and we're still going back and forth with that. Staff is comfortable if you all decided to make a recommendation this evening and we are comfortable making a recommendation to you all. But we would like to continue that conversation prior to going to town council to make sure that we have that TIA kind of wrapped up. The questions really have to do with the diverging diamond study that we just received from V. in July and making sure that any changes to that study match up with that. Any changes to the TIA match up with the study that we received in July. I will say that the applicant responded. As you know, we've discussed data centers don't necessarily have a high traffic volume. At 1.8 million square feet you are going to get some traffic. But in comparison to say a warehouse or offices, it's a much lower rate of traffic. But the residential uses of 49 single-family homes are also putting extra traffic on Mount Hermann and 95. Right now, I 95 Southbound ramp when you're getting off is already not at a level service that we're okay with. And so every new trip that gets added to that is an extra second or five seconds or ten seconds being added to that weight. And so they have proffered through Hanna Rock County, a residential cash proffer, and I have the amount on a separate slide here. And that goes into the Hanna Rock County pot, but Hanna Rock participates in helping us with the diverging diamond. So the pot does end up helping us there that I-95 interchange. So to go over the two conditional use permits, the first one is for height, so the request it's allow for buildings taller than 45 feet, no buildings. So these are conditions. Sylvia, you and I haven't had a chance to sit down and talk about this, but with rezoning, the applicant can proffer voluntarily offer certain things. So all the items I just went over in the proffers are things that came from the applicant that they're giving to mitigate some of the issues that have been brought up. With a conditional use permit, planning commission can recommend a town council and town council can adopt conditions that mitigate and address some concerns. And so in this case for the height, we allow up to 45 feet. They'd like to go up to 110 feet. And so these are the conditions that staff are recommending. So one, that the overall building height will not exceed 110 feet. And for the building setback, anything between 45 and 85 feet tall, she'll have a minimum setback of 200 feet. And then for every foot of height increase over 85 feet, the building setback must be increased by 6 feet. So for example, if it ended up being 110 feet, they must have a minimum building setback of 350 feet. Now you may recall last month we recommended 10 feet, which got you to 450 feet I believe. It's going to be a math in my head. But in discussing with the applicant they had some concerns about the layout on their property and we also did some measurements of that 350 and 450 versus 200 and staff feels comfortable with 350 feet with that 110 foot building height. So, here is a revised map where we changed the 350 to 450 so you can see where those lines are, the 200 foot setback for all buildings anything up to 85 feet. Then there's a 300 foot and a 350 foot. Oh, sorry, we're at 350. That's what we landed on. That's what staffs recommended. That's what we landed on. Which would have been over 400 if you followed the formula exactly, but you. 10 feet instead of 6 feet. Yeah. 10 feet instead of 6 feet. Yeah, 10 feet instead of 6 feet. 6 feet, I believe, was 4.50. Yeah, okay, but you wouldn't. Okay, but we went down to 6, which is 3.53. All right. Okay. So for the next conditional use permit request, which was to allow for electric substations, there will be no more than two substations on the property. Final location design of the substations will be in substantial conformance with the concept plan and approved by the Director of Planning, Community Development. The substation may be located within 200 feet of the project's perimeter boundary. Substations must be fully screened from view from route 54. Screening should consist of a mix of evergreen and deciduous trees and vegetation. Substations shall be fully screened from residential zone property. Screening may consist of fencing or landscaping approved by the director. And then there's a decommissioning condition here. So if the substations were ever not used, this speaks to having them removed from the property. So at the August Planning Commission meeting, here's an overview of some of the questions and concerns that the projected height of 110 feet as because this could pose a possibility of disrupting the visual cohesiveness of the area. The applicant provided sightline graphics. There was a request to have some additional graphics from different locations. Those, I believe, will be presented by the applicant here this evening to show the change there. The possibility of potential water contamination as a result of cooling procedures within the data center. How landscaping is screening be handled around the power lines and the replacement of dead or remove trees from the proper buffer. So we've already discussed how that proper has been amended, what constitutes outside storage versus accessory use, the size and footprint of the substations, access points and transportation, and then you all at the meeting voted to defer the application. So we went back and forth with the applicant and provided them with a comment letter and they have since provided responses. I believe this should have been in your packet, but for the public, I'm just gonna go over kind of highlight some of the responses that we received to those comments. So the entire requested B2 area may not be needed to accommodate the substations and data centers. The response from the applicant is that they would like to amend the rezoning application to reduce the amount of B2 and enlarge the M1 zoning amount along route 4. That would allow them additional space to put data centers adjacent to route 54. But again, that would then reduce our ability potentially if anything changed to have B2 uses along 54. Their amended request would be to reduce the B2 area from 18 acres to 13 and the M1 area from 83.86 to 88.7. The next comment was the community was concerned about the 110 foot data centers. They will provide this evening the updated site distance graphics. For the conditional use permit for height, it proposes a condition that the building be set back the three feet. And as I mentioned already, we went back and forth. They requested three that came back and said five. I think staff is comfortable with six feet, as opposed to the 10 feet. The commission and community were concerned about the future potential water contamination as well as other environmental impacts caused by the data center projects. I would imagine the applicant, they did speak to it and I think they'll probably speak to it again this evening. Their response was that there are local state and federal agencies that will require permitting and strict review. And if there were ever any type of environmental issue, there would be penalties and remedies that would have to be put in place similar to if there was a gas station on the property. So the data center project must adhere to the town's noise ordinance, regardless of the proposed proffers, and should include mechanical equipment screening for further noise abatement. So the changes to 20 and 23, so they follow the noise ordinance and they will perform an ambient sound study prior to development. And then Proffer number 23 changes that amends the proper that equipment will be screened by vegetation or fencing. I don't know, I haven't had a study. I don't know how that vegetation or fencing impacts noise, but it does impact the visual impact. So concerns regarding landscaping and ongoing replacement of dead trees. So as we've discussed, they will replace any landscaping. And then also homes adjoining Mount Herman will have a screening added to make sure that it's not visible to the homes along Mount Hermann. Comment will there be any impacts to the I-95 interchange and does the residential portion of the Hanover County case address any impacts from that request and so they are proffering $4,569 per single-family unit for that 49 unit development and so that would go into the pot to help the diverging diamond. The transportation profits related to the data center are improvements made along Mount Hermann and Route 54. So as we've discussed they updated the profits to address staff concerns as well as we believe most of the public concerns and the planning question concerns that were brought up. The only outstanding item is that transportation one by don't think it's large enough that if you all felt comfortable with everything else in the application that that should hold up your recommendation. That data centers are desirable use and that they're compatible with the comprehensive plan and I didn't really go into the reasons that it's a compatible use. We did that last month, but it is low traffic. There aren't a ton of jobs, but the jobs that are there are fairly high paying. And there's a pretty significant increase in tax revenue because of the depreciation value on the equipment that they use. And it also is really a low user of other community services as far as fire and rescue and the police department and such, which we may not have always had if this were a mixed use office type complex. And so staff recommends approval of these three applications. As we did last month, I would request that you open each public hearing, hold that public hearing, and then I think for this month, I'm fine if you close the public hearings, we would re-advertise anyways, go ahead and close those public hearings, and then you can discuss them all at once, similar to I just gave a presentation on all of them, but you will need to take three separate actions. All right. Thanks, job summarizing. Yeah, thank you Miss Amos. That was a lot of information and I saw on your notes that it seemed like you sort of assimilated a lot of the feedback and input into some discussions. So I always appreciate hearing about those knowing that as commissioners we're not always part of those so it's I appreciate the summary of that but I will invite Mr. Conlon forward if you would like to speak or give a presentation before we open it up to our citizens who are interested in speaking tonight. I don't think it's showing up there Nora. I can see it. I'm not doing it. Did you want anyone I've seen? I've only seen it. Not yet. Saw a hint of it there. Nice. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, members of the commission, Andy Conlon, on behalf of the applicant, thank you for the time to be able to. In like Nora, although she, I was going to do my presentation in a vacuum, so I'm going to, she covered obviously a lot of as she usually does a lot of the items but I want to make sure that we're cognizant of what we're doing and where we are but ultimately this is the concept plan that we provided for. I did want to point out I'm not going to go back over the presentation happy to answer any specific questions you may have to recreate some of that but I wanted to remind the planning commission at a couple points was that we're not starting from an agricultural zoning. We're starting from an existing mixed-use zoning that in the town has over 200 dwelling units and 540,000 square feet plus of commercial. And the only reason I mentioned that is because I am going to reference the traffic impact. And I think that's important from that standpoint. And that we are consistent with the comprehensive plan. I am going to comment on the acreage change a little bit. And that ultimately, another key point that was we're going to go through is that we have limited the use specifically to data center and accessory uses to data centers. And I think that's important because of the impact and the potential impact that we could have. As you know, we originally came forward with two different versions, one with a full industrial park, business park, and or a data center. We've limited to the data center, but no other use. There's no distribution. There's nothing else that could be made of this property if this gets approved. And so it's a known impact. And then finally, this particular site is well positioned for the request that we're being made of this. Not only because of its size and ability to provide the buffers, but because literally transmission lines are running through the property itself and the proximity to 95 as well. Influence a lot of the discussions as we've gone through. And with that, one of the things I did not address in the presentation otherwise that I reminded of with Ms. Amos' presentation is the access points. And we've talked a little bit about that last time and I want to make sure that we're clear one of the things that we commented about was emergency access. So we're showing three points of access. Any time that you have a certain amount of development, you're required to have two points of access for safety purposes. Not for emergency only, but for safety purposes to be able to have multiple points of access into the site in case one is blocked. There's a car accidents at the main site and there's an emergency to have another way to get into the site. And so what we're showing is three potential points of access. We know that we're going to have to provide two. We may want to provide all three, but they're going to be full access points. We feel like we meet the standards necessary a traffic study showed that we'll have the main access on Route 54 in the middle, but that we would have one of the other two accesses or maybe both access points depending upon how the property gets developed. We want to be able to have that. So we're not providing emergency and I think there was a comment that was made that because this may be a more risky use that therefore we're having additional access points. The answer is we're required to have that per the code to have at least two and we just want for ease of flow of traffic as we go through and develop the property. They want to have that third. Amos has pointed out the acreage and I just wanted to point out because we are going to reference the residential piece that she's provided and unfortunately I'm going to scroll through these pretty quick but these are some of the comments of what we've heard and what the comments from the community comments but as well as from the planning commission. The visibility of buildings and then what about the increase the setback above 85 feet, talking about additional landscaping and supplementing that as well as replacing it, talking about noise not only from compliance with the noise ordinance of the town but also mechanical equipment, environmental and health impacts. I don't know what I just did there Nora. There you go. Is there a blank slide just did there, Nora. There you go. Is there a blank slide? Oh, there we go. Well, I've moved ahead and had a couple blank slides in there. So what we've done for, I'll get just jumping to. This is, in essence, how we've responded and what we wanted to do. First of all, appreciate the staff's ability and willingness to discuss the setback. As we're trying to design the buildings we feel like, and we're going to be able to show through here, 350 feet is sufficient for 110 foot buildings. So I'm going to, and it's unfortunate that, oh, there it goes. No, here it is, I've got it. Oh, no, no, no, there it is. So we're in agreement with, we originally wanted three feet. We thought maybe five feet would work. Staff has come back with six and looking at this and we're in agreement with that. So one of the things that with conditions, while we don't profit the conditions, it's a different situation when we object to the condition or accept the conditions, we find all the conditions acceptable and we're willing to accept those including this and we think this is a reasonable regulation. So running through then some of the points of view, you can see on the right side, that's standing on Mount Hermann. We're on a southern point of our property. And you can see, and these are just where a building would be placed at 200 feet, at 85 feet in height. That's the gray building. And then the blue building behind that is meeting the 350 feet distance set back at 110 feet in height. So this is standing on Mount Hermen. One of the things that we have to be cognizant of is being able to place landscaping outside of the easement and no higher within the easement at certain levels. So that's what we're trying to achieve here. So you can see standing on Mount Hermen Road, I think one of the residents was concerned about coming out of their subdivision, what would they be looking at. And you can see the power lines up above, but this is, again, the 85 feet height. This is with the building set back 350 feet at 110 feet as the blue building, you see the blue building in the background. Again, this is with the landscaping up close outside of the easement and then within the easement as best we can. As we move along Mount Herman Road running north towards Route 54, you can see that from a looking at from the standpoint of what we would see otherwise from existing landscaping which is quite sufficient. And we think screens the property very well and you can see the taller building again at the 350 foot setback. One of the things that we did want to do is want to be completely transparent, although I'm talking about landscaping, to try to hide from the standpoint of this property has been farmed and a lot of the property has been cleared. So we're going to have to do some plantings along the property along Route 54. So this is an example of that plantings that we would have and being able to provide that. You can see the difference when we go to the blue building that's 350 feet back. Even though it's a taller building at 110 feet, the difference that that makes. But that isn't some of the examples of the open spots. Now this is just one of the things that we've provided for. Obviously we've profored that we have to supplement it. It's really within staff's ability to be able to say, is this screening. We're not going to completely block buildings because obviously the power lines are there and buildings will be seen. If this were highway commercial and convenience stores and hotels, they'd all be seen as well. But we're trying to block and remember we're going on Route 54. I think the speed limit is 45. I'm not sure anybody drives 45 at this point when they're coming off the highway and rolling through there so as you're going through. As you can see along Route 54 we try to make a depiction of what do you see with the existing landscaping without having to supplement it where it's not cleared and you can see there's a number of spots that are in there that's again the gray building being the 85 foot tall building at 200 feet back and then this is a higher building at 300. So again that's can you see there's sap and stand and look at it? Yes, you will be able to see the buildings, but as you're driving by and I think this provides for, we think it's an example of the screening. And this is another example of some, again, this is the existing, we didn't supplement these at all. We do know that we're gonna have to be able to provide some supplemental landscaping as we provided for otherwise. So I thought those were a lot better than the cross-sections that we tried to show before and you can see. And really I think Tim and Tim did a fantastic job of placing that in there from that standpoint. The other thing that, other things that Nora, Ms. Amos, had talked about was revising the profits. I'm happy to go through there. But that's where we really, we've used this a number of times in Henrico County and Hanover as well with respect to supplementing, just having a general having to supplement landscape. A lot of times what happens is you can look at all the plans you want but once the building goes up and you stand there and you go you know what I can I really want to screen this because that's feature of the building or something and that's really what that's intended for us to be able to provide for supplemental whether scaps in the landscaping or because of the type of building where we might want to landscape that. And of course, that was just a comment that we missed originally about supplementing and replacing dead trees. And that's very typical and that will be done. That's enforced as necessary by the town as a tree dies and we haven't happened all the time in other jurisdictions as a common feature. So this is a feature of really what we determined as the landscape buffer that we're providing for the 150 foot landscape buffer, what we talked about before, we're building setbacks, the 200 and the 350 feet. But this is the buffer. And what we're really looking at it, and again, we're already jumping into this, is we're seeing some opportunities for needing supplement, preserving the green area, but you can see on the pink area, and then what's underneath the, I don't know, it's a darker pink area that's under the power lines. The pink areas where we're anticipating having to do a lot of supplementing or some supplementing, and then the power lines, of course, we're not, we're very limited in the type of planning that we can do. So we feel like, we wanted to be able to identify those areas, we're already starting to identify those areas where we feel like we're going to need to supplement it. Were the areas being preserved, like I said, there may be areas and gaps that may need to that per. And this is if anybody wants to see the language, but I don't think we need to. Talking about noise and misamist that covered that, I think very well with respect to the mechanical equipment, we do think that we found that particularly with less offense, more landscaping does provide for the necessary noise. But really it's about screening it and for the mechanical units that we have required for that as well as compliance. And I think you've talked well about the noise ordinance and happy to talk about that, but from that standpoint. So, to talk a little bit about the environmental and really not misamuses or requirement from how to do that. There are a number of items that we're having to be in compliance with. This particular use is not any greater risk than any other use that might be made of the property for an industrial use. It's totally contained indoors and it's from a standpoint of the development and use of the operation of the facilities. Construction in and of itself is always, you know, it's no different than any other type of use that would be made of the property as well. That being said, there are specific standards that we have to meet that are, you know, local state and federal that apply to every use, obviously like Chesapeake Bay is a good example in dealing with wetlands and anything of that nature. This particular type of use is heavily regulated by Virginia DEQ only from the standpoint of dealing with the generators that having air quality standards that we have to meet. Every developer has to meet those standards. It's just a question of what the potential is and they have a cap from a development standpoint on any development that you can achieve. So that's the only difference in the unique nature of this, but again that's completely regulated by the Virginia DQ and they do require as well as our warranty requires maintenance of those generators to be able to provide for those DQI no goes through and does sampling that we have to provide for another other facilities of this type. So, if there is, and one of the folks had mentioned last time, but what if there's a contamination of well water, the water that's in the area. Again, no different than anywhere else, Virginia DEU has authority and will come in and require compliance with that, and if necessary, Army Corps of engineers will get involved as well. If there's anything substantial. This industry, the data center industry, has had a great track record through, you know, where there hasn't been any environmental issues. Again, there's nothing that's occurring on site. That's not like a manufacturing facility or anything in that nature, which does create, propose that it have a greater risk, quite frankly than what we're proposing, because everything is indoors. It's new construction, heavily regulated from the building code standpoint, self-contained from that, both from a fire standpoint, from environmental standpoint. So, and of course, there's always a civil claims. If there are any causes of actions that we have to have as well as a regulatory from the state and federal actions that we have to have, The only thing I would say about traffic is probably nothing new that you anticipate that we have is that the impact of what we're providing from our traffic study, not only from just in and of the self and a vacuum of the data center specifically, but as a comparison to what we have, there was a question about the single family which Miss Amos has pointed out. Again, I only referenced this from respect to the traffic. And we mentioned last time that, and again, primarily for this moment to see, is that the anticipated traffic under the existing zoning was an excess of 33,000 cars a day. We're talking at this, based on our TIA, 2600 cars a day. I had full build out for what could go on this site itself. So, and then finally, just talking about the B2 portion, we originally had B2 on the county side, that paralleled the B2 on the town side, and based on the discussions, but only going into a data center in the county as well, we've completely eliminated the B2, and so it's M1 completely on the county side. And we have the same setbacks and buffers that we're proposing there as well with respect to the 200 foot and the 150 feet. So you know we wanted to be consistent with that but we also at one time that there was a question that was asked why are we even doing B2 and so we said that's a great idea why are we we'd like to go to just M1 there was a there was a concern that said hey let's be consistent with the comprehensive plan, which is a guide. And so that's why we're just literally just asking for a five acre difference. Primarily around the substation, which a substation is permitted in B2, data centers are not. And so we wanted to be able to use, consistent with the setbacks and consistent with the buffer that we've provided for those areas that otherwise we've provided. And you can see the difference here. So this is what was originally, is the 18 acres of the B2, and that's where it's dropped down. So it's a small area from that standpoint of the 13 acres. So just to show you the difference again, there's the 18 and then down to the 13. And so it's five acre difference. Yes, ma'am. I can't tell the difference. Oh, I'm sorry. So if you look at where the yellow highlight is, and I'm going to go to the next one, you can see where that's the yellow, it just drops down. So we take that five acres off of Route 54. Still subject to the 150-foot buffer and the 200-foot sat back. And that's consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. We went through in the Comprehensive Plan Amendment. It was very specific and what we wanted to do, it's a little unusual to have that level of detail, but again, it's a guide, it's a general, and so we think that's consistent. The one thing I would say is that we do, I know, Ms. Amos and staff are not shy at ever when we come back for, we've committed to do data centers, we understand it's only data centers if we wanted to do this for anything else we know that we would have to be consistent with the comprehensive plan and that would be taken into effect so I don't think we could ask for industrial use and certainly wouldn't be consistent with the comprehensive plan in that respect. So with that I know we would ask for you to file staff's recommendation both for the rezoning as well as the two C the two conditional use permits that we're asking for. One of the I don't think it's a procedural issue, but we're also asking that you recognize and are comfortable to recommend to the town council the revised acreage to be consistent with the comprehensive plan. So with that, I'll be happy to answer any questions at this time. I'm going to go ahead and move on. Do we have a sense of the heights of substations? So the substation, I remember one of the plans that we saw was going to be perhaps the most visible from Mount Herman, right? That's the parcel. That's the gray. That's the closest to Mount Herman, right? And I know we had our neighbors who were sending in. It's on the other side of the other side of the existing power lines. Of the existing power lines. And we get the benefit of having some landscaping that we can provide. There's already some side. The best side as well as on the east side where that is, that's located. The reality is, and the answer is no, it's going to be less than the power lines as they are now, but the power lines have to come down from where the transmission lines, we have to bring the power down from them, there's going to be poles that are going to be graduated down from that level down to the power, to the substation at that point. Okay. And have to be east, of course, of the current. So that's where the block is and the block we're looking at on our screens right now is the roughly 13 acre chunk. And it's not gonna take, it's not gonna be, you say it, the footprint of those substations is minor anyway, but they have to be, or that's most convenient for them to be as adjacent to the power lines possible. Yeah, so the answer is that a lot, I'm doing some developments where they're not adjacent to the transmission lines and so you have to have sub-transmitted distribution lines and they have transmission lines, excuse me transmission lines are carrying a distribution lines or bringing it to so that they end up having a lot more polls So you can imagine smaller polls decreasing in size the benefit that we had here because we originally had it Partly partly in the county side. It went across route 54. We based on discussions with the county in the town and then Dominion said, yeah, we just soon have it right next to the transmission lines at that point. So, and that's why. So that helps decrease the number of polls at that point and limit that to that. Our thought was that people are already used to the transmission lines. This is, you know, again, it's an electrical substation. I think we know what they look like, but it's, you know, it's right in that same area. This may be too tiki tacky, but the access point on that Mount Herman was there a reason it's not aligned with the residential drive is that I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but now you're creating a no-ad emergency entrance. We probably won't use very often. You're adding an extra entrance on to Mount Hermann or exit. Right. Another perfect point, I guess. That's what I'm wondering. You'd be easy like to have them lined up. I know that in talking with the residents, they did not want that. They expressed that? I talked to you and I did not want to be looking at it. We had a team of landscaping available. Part of it is too, I don't know specifically from an engineering standpoint. We had heard comments about otherwise. I know our neighbor from Mount Herman was here the last time and made that comment. So I wanted to make sure we were considering that. But thank you. I don't want to hog the questions, are there? And I know we will invite the public up, so maybe we should do that, Bernie, is that where you're going to hint to? All right, Mr. Conlon, let us open up the comment for those who are here who have been patient. And as far as plan speakers, I know that Mr. Joel Armuth wrote his name, is did he leave? He had to go. So he was the one who had signed up. But let's pause if there is somebody here who would like to speak. Please come forward. Well, we would love it to be on the record. We would love it. So the reason why you are. Which one are you opening? Remember, we have to open in. Okay. I guess give me a hint. Would you like to speak to one of those in particular, the height, the substation, or the general plan? I would open the rezoning and... Let's start with the rezoning as that so come forward because we would like to get your comments and questions on the record. Please state your name and your address so that we can make sure we're acknowledging. There are people who listen online to you would like to hear your thoughts. My name is Chuck Delveco and I'll be living at Beaver Dam District. Thank you. My question is, one of them is the entrance weighs off of 54. Mr. Connell, where are they exactly located? Are those the black arrows? I think that's the intention. And it's not from what I understood. Woodside is at the bend, right? So that's not a woodside intersection. Between Woodside and Mount Herman. Yeah, may I answer? That's what it seems like. I'm going to make a hear. There it is. OK. So Woodside and Maillan Herman. Yeah, Ma answer. That's what it's on the side. We'll go make a hear. There it is. Okay. So Woodside is right there. And this is where Todd Rogers hickory in the county. In the county that, residential is right across the street. So that's going to be. I think that's supposed to line up that. And Chuck was, yeah, talking about thatside right there and then Mount Herman right here. That's halfway in between. Quite a quick way. Yeah, I'm just worried about the traffic going 54 because it's picked up tremendously with all the subdivisions that got there now. Right. But along with that, when they start construction, is there, because I mean your construction trucks are going to be coming out on that is This development going to be required to come out there and clean 54 off of all the mud and stuff like that They breathe that they relate care there Fair question I'm just throwing things out there because I use that road every day I hear you I'm just throwing things out there because I use that road every day. I hear you. And a lot of people from the subdivisions out there at Hickory Hill and all are using that coming to 95. So I just want to make sure that everybody stays safe with that. Fair enough. Okay. That's a good one. You got some others for us. And like I say, I don't know. Yeah, just feel free. Feel free. Okay. One of my other concerns, as you know, we've also got the other track project going on, which is the Data Warehouse at Hanover County. Correct. We had several questions about the containment of the batteries for these. Is there a specific storage area because these batteries are very dangerous, can become very flammable and it takes a lot of time to take and put these out. Is there specific containment areas where these batteries are going to be housed on this project? It's a good question. That's another thing that could leak out into our Creeps and stuff like that and well systems correct So we need to address that as well and I'm sorry I wasn't I was out of town for the last meeting sure sure we're here to listen and then Another question question I was have, the transmission lines that we're using for this, is this provided by Dominion? It is. And is that the same lines that are providing power for the track project? I don't know if any of y'all can answer that question for me. Further north? But I've been reading articles and I pulled one up on my phone to see them while I was sitting in the chair there. Dominion is getting very worried about whether or not they're going to be able to provide enough energy for all these data centers that is coming in. And who's going to be paying to take and put these new substations, all the transmission lines that they're going to be putting in with all this stuff? This is just stuff that we need to take into consideration because as a taxpayer and a dominion customer, I don't want to have to be foot and build for all this. So that's my question. I appreciate that. Hope we can get some answers to some of this stuff. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. So Mr. Conlon, I know Ms. Amos had some thoughts about the road, but we'll defer to. Well, Mr.'ll defer to Mr. Common to start. She can correct me if I'm wrong, but I will point out that we have a proper number four already about mudwashing to keep any debris and mud and dirt off of the road. Certainly enforceable, so if we're not doing that correctly, that'd be enforced by the town and the county. I don't know if there's required on that too. And then, containment batteries, I'm trying to remember our conversation, but all the batteries are indoors. And these are transfer from power. If the power happens to go out, you couldn't have batteries big enough to run these facilities. To continue to run them on an emergency base. That's why we have the generators. But it's really a switching from one to the other. So those are contained within the building themselves. That's not part of our outdoor storage. That would not be part of that. That we're not allowed. And that's not my list of it allowed outdoor storage in the profit itself. So that's certainly the intent. And if we need to clean that profit, we can do that without any concern about that. And those are regulated, that's part of the regulation of Virginia DEQ and how we handle the batteries and how they're stored indoors and how they're operated. And they usually have a facility, one of the things that we talked about, I think on our last meeting was that they actually have, portioned a lot of these data center developers are designing the buildings. They literally are plugging in the battery. So they design the buildings as a structure itself, and then they bring almost like a pod in that it's already to be able to place the battery facilities in, and all the batteries are in there because the technology changes so much. That way they can take the entire pod out and bring in a new one. And it becomes part of the structure itself as part of the building code. It's all interior. It's accessible only from inside, But it's actually almost a plug-in that you can have. And then the idea is that those pods when their batteries are consumed aren't just Shifted to do a different part of the property. They're actually Another apartment. They're plugged in. That's probably not the right term I'm using them anyway to put in there That's not how all of them do that, but that's certainly how from a standpoint of what Stay-in-point of that just shows you some of the technologies changing so quickly on this that they're using them and that's really how they can do self-containment that's really for a noise standard that they have those so that because they can they're running and those have to be kept cool as well that's really where the noise is coming from so they can insulate those from the outsides you don't even hear them but they're not even they're plugged into the building itself and placed in I thought was an amazing technology and how they do that from that standpoint. And then the last question regarding the transmission lines, they are owned by Dominion, but the operators and the developers have to put in the substations. So they pay for the substation itself. And in order to do that, Dominion power has to be able to accept it. And they require a minimum of 300 megawatts of a substation. So if you're not using all that, that's additional power that the dominion power has the benefit of being able to distribute to all their uses that are those not provided. But those are paid entirely for that infrastructure, that capital costs paid for by the developer, not Dominion, not going back to taxpayers. And one of the things that we have to do and that we have done is to go through the dominion power process in order to confirm, and I can't answer the question whether this is the same, I'm suspecting it's the same line that track development is also, but Dominion Power has done the study and that they're comfortable with this being, they're being able to provide power for the potential development not only of this, but also the hand over side. I've got another development in Henrico County, where we're going full steam ahead, and Dominion Power came back and said, no, we can't, we have to do further studies, and we've been up put on hold for six months. We're past that point, and we feel comfortable at this point when we're moving forward with Dominion Power. But again, paid for by the applicant, paid for by the developer, that that's substance, it's not applied to any, there's no increase in the rate payers on what they have to pay. And then quite frankly, it's given to or to use for, and it's excess power quite frankly, that's being used by dominion. So I think they covered everything. I think those were the three that came up and. Get anything else? I appreciate that. I know that the idea of solar on these buildings probably doesn't generate enough power for the needs within the building so that conversation Doesn't really happen because it's nice to think about solar but yeah too much of a that's a different You know if you're going to have to be able to we did this exercise in another project and to be able to produce even you know need a The significant percentage not the entire thing it would be hundreds of acres of a solar farm Which is an entirely different application different conversation that understood would have quite frankly probably not appropriate on this site I could be put it on the roofs. Yeah, but it really is the one of the things that the industry is doing is that They're very much into Sustainable energy. There's always an altruistic reason for that But it reduces costs. And that's probably the primary cost of operations. And a lot of these folks are competing against each other and they want to reduce the cost. And that's the major factor in being able to produce their business model. And if they can reduce costs, and they're really investing in a lot, and that's why these battery technologies changing all the time. The server technology is changing all the time. The cooling technology. They're trying to increase that to be able to reduce those costs all the time. So that's where you get the benefit. The solar, it's nice. But it's better off investing in, a lot of them are doing investing in solar facilities. Understood. Thank you. Miss Amos, anything to add to that? I have some light related questions. Please? to that. I have some light related questions. Please. Yeah, really lovely. Oh, let's actually one more thing so. We need to make sure there's no more. That's right. Yeah. Thank you. So before Andy, we pursue again, opening it up to anybody who didn't sign up, who's here who would like to make some comments on the record. Please come forward. Name an address if you don't mind. Please. My name is Michael Powell and I live on Camden Lane which is right there at the bottom of the line between Hanover and Ashland. Thank you. For my house is there so I have a couple questions. The access that is proposed off of Mount Herman which is a new road. Are we talking about improving the the mail Herman row between Or in that access 54 and down there it hardly can handle the traffic today And if you're going to have 55 for 49 new homes plus access to Park seems like to me. There's potential to have a major Traffic problem there. Understood. So that's one question. The other question I had was the height issue about 110. If I'm not mistaken when we met at the Ashland Theatre and they did a presentation, the discussion seemed to say that they were looking at doing two story buildings, but I assume if we're doing 110, we're doing three story buildings. So is it shifted? Is the thought changed? Because that was the feeling that I had from that meeting is, and the pictures that they showed were mainly two story. And so that was a question and I would obviously since where I live, I'd prefer them to be shorter than taller, in my comments. Thank you, I appreciate that, Michael. Thank you. Please, come forward if you don't mind. Again, name and address for the record, thank you. Please come forward if you don't mind again. Name an address for the record. Thank you. Donna Delpecchio. Can you get real close to the microphone please? Donna Delpecchio be verdam. Thank you. I just wanted to piggyback on the gentleman that was up here before about the Mount Herman road with 95 getting busier and busier and everyone knows that problem from King's Dominion to 95. So anytime there's an accident, the GPS takes them to Mount Herman Road. So just wanted to reiterate that. Thank you, Donna. I appreciate that. You're welcome. Anyone else would like to offer their comments and then we'll invite Mr. Conlon back up? Yeah, just real quick, let's answer those specific questions of the client reminding me that Mount Herman access to your point is across from that commercial piece, and I can't remember the zoning of the Shia piece, is that it might be two? The Shia piece, I call it the Shia piece, probably got another name for it, but that's at the corner of just on the other side of the gas station along 95 and Route 54. That's B2, that's where their access point is, where that would come in, because they have to have a distance, and that's where their property comes out, but they have to have a distance away from Mount Herman as well, that's their access. So we've lined it up from the anticipated commercial access, if that ever gets developed as B2 property. I forgot that. Well, but you also addressed that, to me, it was more important that the residents were being considered. You addressed that. So that was part of that issue. The question I'm proving Mount Herman wrote, we do realize that we do not only have to provide the turn lanes, it's that Mount Herman is a prescriptive right of way, so we would have to be able to provide the necessary right of way improvements for that access point if we have to have it. That's true, the 49 units in the residential as well. That's not necessarily south but heading north and that's part of what they're Be required to do is the necessary improvements and the dedications as needed for that for that purpose We won't know that specifically until we go through the site plan and do the actual survey what would be needed specifically? Right so more work to be done to be specific but widening the road and turn lanes and all that is part of the Development if required by the town and or V dot as we go through for each portion of that, certainly that's from the reason that 49 units was one time and I forget the number that it's by right that they have on there but at one time we had 160 and now we've moved it down to 49 single family detached because there's only need for one point of access as the other reason. Again, that two points of access for safety purposes. So they've limited that, but that limits their impact as well. Understanding one more car, I'm out here, is one more car and an impact. But again, the road improvements are required to be made and those are committed to and hand over. And then we have it as part of our access point committed to those as well. And then I think that, I think that all the stories. With respect to the height, we did show them one of the complaints was, and that's why we showed a three story into planning commission. I can dig through here. I think I've got it later in the presentation, but it was one of the, one of the concerns that was raised that we only showed two stories in our elevations at the theater, but we may have three stories, that to get to 110 feet, and of course stories are measured differently in data centers, it's not a story of an office building that's 20 to 30 feet high, it's these are taller from that standpoint. So three story, I think it's more important to look at the height and that's why we have the increased setbacks as the taller the building, and that's worked really well in other jurisdictions. I think it's a good compromise from that standpoint. The tall of the building, the more it has to be pushed back and that's why as you saw in those elevations that really is effective to push it back, particularly with a property falls down to Meachum's Creek as it falls down. You gain advantage of that topography to use that. Excuse me. Can you hear the answer? So if you could speak in the microphone. You just went about the height and I can tell the Community meeting that we had at the theater. We did show just two stories. That's why at the planning commission last month we showed the Three story building. Stories are measured differently in data centers. It's focusing on the height. That's why the maximum height we're looking at is 110 feet. That's why we get the advantage of the setback. You know moving that back and taking advantage of the topography of the property that that actually the height is actually is not a full 110 feet as it would be upon the road at that standpoint. I think I covered all the points. Yeah, just to add a little color because because Mr. Palmebe and referring to something else. My recollection from the theater meeting and please tell me if I'm wrong is the process you're following is to get permission for the data centers and then essentially to sort of contract for what kind of data center people want. Right. And I think the perspective that was shared was that there are some disadvantages if you're Google or whoever, to a three-story data center versus a two versus a one. And so you guys really don't know yet whether we're gonna end up squeezing 110-foot buildings or 85-foot buildings or whatever. Is that still accurate? That is very accurate. Of course, we're limited to the square footage that we've committed otherwise too. There's just inefficiencies that are, I don't understand the industry, to that level of detail, by talking to engineers, there's inefficiencies to go from one to two stories, but there's even greater inefficiencies, exponentially larger to go to three stories. Part of it is the cooling that's necessary, when you add that much more equipment inside of a building, that's primarily what we're looking at, but also the weight of the structure that you have to be able to provide. And then physically moving up that equipment, and while it's an elevator, it's a different type of elevator to go up from two stories to three stories in the amount of equipment that you have to have in the number of elevators that you have. So it becomes an inefficiency that's not cost effective. You're not seeing, you're finally seeing some three stories up in Northern Virginia, primarily because land is more expensive. We're seeing one story, it's primarily some two stories and they're building two stories now in the Richmond area. And that's the answer I've been giving. We don't know the answer as to who the ultimate user is at this point. It's kind of like a hotel or an office building. It depends on the market and what we might find at that time. We're asking for permission to go up to 110 feet But if we do we have to have that Graded setbacks so that we can only achieve that at 350 feet back at the most, you know and I Was not a big fan of the really tall buildings, but I think the setbacks have helped address that okay And then the actual development is gonna depend a a little bit on, you know, as this proceeds, correct? Correct. No more. Thank you, Andy. Let me ask one final time for comments from our neighbors. I was looking at the transportation map because I love the maps and realizing that Mount Herman Road wasn't designated and maybe we should have had that conversation more as at least the map that I'm seeing as a minor arterial or minor collector road. It was not designated that which may have drawn some attention to I agree I used to try to ride my bicycle on Mount Herman and I've learned not to do that because of the way people drive their cars now. So I understand the comments and realize that maybe that's an opportunity for us as a town to think about that intentionally, particularly as this moves forward. So thank you for those comments. I did hear you. If I'm not seeing anybody else wave their hands or get out of their seats, what I will do at this point is close the public hearing for these three. No. For the rezoning first. I will open it for if people would like to discuss the height any further than we already have. We were sort of putting our comments together which I think is fine but we're honoring when Miss Bernie tells me to do something. I want to do it. So then we'll leave it open for a minute if somebody would like to speak on height, particularly, the conditional use permit. And yes, please, come on forward again. Thank you, Chuck. Chuck Delvecchio, Beaver Dam. I just would like to know the specifics of when we say 110 feet. Is that 110 feet to the top of the building? And then if you have to put air conditioning units and the sounding closure and all on top of that, then that's another added footage to it, or is the total with everything 110 feet. That's a thank you. That's a thank you. That's a thank you. That's a thank you. Thanks Andy. Every jurisdiction measures it differently from how you do that, but for, we've accommodated the 110 feet to be the total. We wanted to make sure that we covered everything from the top. Now, we can work with Ms. Amos and staff. I can't remember how you guys define that otherwise. But we can make that that would include the parapet and any screenings. That would be the total from that standpoint so that the height of that structure would be 110 feet. Oh, no. That's the satellite dishes or towers or anything on top of it. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, yeah, it's usually the pair. Usually we, a lot of jurisdictions will measure to the, to the top of the roof, depending on the type of roof with the different measurement. And then the parapet is not part of that. Sure. So there's all sorts of nuances. Our intent and what we'll work on in the condition is to make sure that it's 110 feet as the max for everything at that point. Fair enough. Good clarification, take your check for thinking about that. I think that's fair. Any other comments about height? Conditional use permits specifically. OK, let's close height as well and open substations. So the substations that are being proposed in this property as well. Any specific comments related to that? I have to work on my pauses. I tend to want to fill silences with talking. So I don't see anybody getting up. So we will close the substations as well. And would like now to bring back to the commissioner table. So I know Sylvia that you wanted to start with a question from Mr. Conlin or just for us to consider. Please go ahead. I don't know if it's paid for previously or not, but I see a lot of details on land design and fantasy. Are there any details on what they can do? I'm sorry, I'll be a bit sure. I'll be little bit further. Is it the yellow light? There it is. Probably that would help. I see a lot of details on land design and fencing and I wonder if there are any details on how the exterior of the building will look. Perhaps not, Randolph making yellow and black striped or something. With 110 feet it makes a big difference. Yes, ma'am. so a couple of things one is I think in your staff report I think they have the elevations that are the generic elevations to say specifically as to what the buildings will be consistent with but we also have in Proffer number 14 we have with respect to the data center uses that we have building facades will meet the following standards so we have with respect to the data center uses that we have building facades will meet the following standards. So we have a number of things that we don't get into the specific colors, the idea being in theory with the buffering and the setbacks that you're really not going to see these that much. But talking about providing for changes in building heights and building setbacks and setbacks and projections and recesses and things of that nature. So we go through all of that. We also use one or more neutral colors such as taupe, tan, brown, beige, ivory, cream, white, black, gray. Those are the ones we'd less again. Those are the primary colors. We can use accent colors. There's a couple of users. One uses purple. The other uses red as part of the entry way to make it looks like an office building at that point. So as accent colored but the primary color of the building would be those neutral colors is what we provided for. And then the building elevations have to be submitted as part of the site plan to make sure that we're consistent with the architectural style we provided in the conceptual elevations you see in your staff report and then we have to meet with the fenestration, the canopies and arcades and all those things that we've listed in the profits themselves. We don't know who the specific user is. I'd be like saying, you know, it's a burger king, a Wendy's or McDonald's and they all have different types of facades and looks that they wanna have. So we've had specific provisions that require the types of standards that we have, but we found that these work well with all the data center builders and they've worked well with all the jurisdictions to give control over, to not have something that's too garish. Okay. And I'll just say more. So one more question I guess for the commissioners. If you do 110 building, is there anything in the future that you're eliminating availability like you can have a drone delivery or something or hand over air park something that is ruled out as an option to do in the future because you have this Height set in the area now So you're saying if we agree to extending heights to 110 feet What implications may be unintended while that have for our future? So as a commissioner I think what we're doing is specific to this property and specific to this application and use. We're going to the 110. I hadn't heard to me and it's a good question. Is there any sort of limiting factor around there? I don't think the airport's close enough for that to make a difference. I don't know enough about drone delivery. But I would absolutely want to make sure we're clear that we're not changing the town's rules around building height. We're just doing a specific to this property. And I'm not aware of an issue based on height, a side issue, but it's good question. No, no, it's a future. I was just wondering if there's something that we were aware of that. Because we had talked about that earlier about what the future drone plans are that you're setting for the transportation. Any other thoughts at the moment? That's it. This Linda, did you have something you wanted to share? I did. Last month we talked about just all the reasons the applicant had that this is a good use in a space for the data center. And I think that we've lost air, air screen, but I think the one use for the property that goes from the town and the county is really a great opportunity for us to do some of the cohesive. And I'd like the concept very much. I do have my main concern is the county has removed all commercial development from their portion. So 54 will only be residential or buffered to this in one on the county side. And my only concern is the B2 zoning. So I know we addressed it a little bit here. And it's been reduced the acreage. So I just want to address the comprehensive plan part of it. And then I have a question about it. When we were revising the comprehensive plan last year, we really spent a lot of time on this property and we really struggled with the future land use and the comp plan for this. We went, you know, rounding round and I don't think there was a unanimous vote, but we did settle on this, sorry, future land use. It has been to along 54 and industrial or or office industrial. Yeah, office industrial. At that time, data center projects such as this was not an hour head. It was sort of not even a twinkle in our eyes. I don't think that we would have such an opportunity. And I think the data center, the opportunity for the town for financial, you know, for a good financial income for the town is really great. So I would, and for that reason, I'm, you know, I feel like this is a good use. I also feel like it's a use that could generate a lot of income for the town and be a less intensive use than if it were the office park, for instance, that was proposed earlier. Or certainly the mixed use that it is already zoned. And I think with the buffering and the screening, we have an opportunity to keep that eastern gateway to the town feeling, it can be highly developed and still feel sort of green. And I like that zoning and buffering that they've spent so much time. Of course, you don't know what it actually looks like. But I feel like there's a good opportunity there. So the B2, even though it was only 13 acres, just kind of doesn't have a problem with that, because it feels like... I have to lean into the microphone. You can't hear me. I feel like the B2 feels a little unsettled about the B2 part, because if this did... If it fell through for whatever reason, I'm unsettled about the B2 part because if this did, if it fell through for whatever reason, which I don't think it would, because we certainly have a great need for data centers. If it fell through, I'm concerned about the potential commercial development that would be right on 54, on the edge of town. But my question, I guess my question is the CUP for the substation is on the B2 property, correct? So is a substation allowed on an M1 with a CUP? Is it possible to have the zoning just fully M1 and still have the CUP that would allow the substation? I guess it's my, I'm just, the sort of whole B2 thing is troubling me. Yes. Ms. Wright, Ms. Wright, thank you for that. Yes, the answer is it can be M1, I think we still need to see U.P. for a substation in M1. Same process. We'd prefer for it. We thought it'd be easier to be all M1, but in discussions with staff and other council members, the answer came back that they prefer to have some B2 on there. The ultimate protection you have is the profit conditions, right? That we are limited in our use to data center only, and accessory uses of course, but data center only. So we can't use it for any commercial use. That's what you remember well, the conversations having the interstate commercial and wanting that. Because the way the tax revenue works for the town, this is it, as you said, it's a completely different start. We didn't even think about that at the time when we're going through this for the data centers But you have the ultimate protection with the profit conditions I think that's why we thought we would reduce the B2 to primarily just the area for the substation that substation I think leaks on to a little bit on to the M1 but at the end of the day There's no real excess B2 other than what would be provided for for the substation. And so I think that's the protection that you would have. Both the proffers don't differentiate between the B2 otherwise the whole property subject to those proffered conditions. So we could only use it for that purpose. And I also heard Mr. Collins say Linda he was trying to honor the map that we landed on. Right, that some of this B2 leaving in was trying to respect our decision on leaving that corridor. So it doesn't change our ultimate use because the B2 does allow for the substation and we can put it in there. So we can keep that zoning consistent with what we consider consistent with the comprehensive plan. Right. And just, from my perspective, I had the same sort of concern about B2, but what I, now that it's clear in my mind that we, you know, should the data center not move forward, which I think is unlikely. Whatever happens comes back again. Right. And something like the business park would be a reasonable, if all of a sudden there wasn't a market for data centers, we would look at development there. I don't know that we'd want the whole thing to be M1 and have to figure out how to put back higher revenue type things. To a certain degree, we're saving that card and and punting it down the road should things dramatically change in my from my perspective. So I think it's important to drill into this, but I also think I'm in town staff's camp that this sort of saves an option for down the road. Should we need it while still addressing this applicant's plan? Does that make sense? Yeah, that does make sense. And I think that is the rationale. Right, but I think the county haven't changed their plan, gone against what was in their comprehensive plan in order to make this a single use. I feel like there's a precedent here, or maybe it's not a precedent. We've got this joint development and it's one use only and the applicants even stated they don't, we don't want. So they're not going to put the McDonald's on the corner because they don't want that. Yeah, I just, the joint zoning is just a problem to me. So I just wanted to say that. Let me see if I had it. I might have. I would also have a question about the traffic impact. Is that base just on the data center use, right? That 2600 estimate. It included the residential and the data center. Okay, so I would you? Yeah. No, while you're up, I had a concern about the TA-2. I don't know. Please continue working on this. No, that's all. But the my understanding is that we're not completely finished with analyzing the latest CIA. And I want to make sure that that remaining work to be done has to do with the diverging diamond and the distant future as opposed to concerns about What's in this plan per se like are we doing a disservice to the council should we decide to move forward Based on sort of what's still outstanding with the TA or is it really pretty narrow to the longer term future of the diverging diamond? I think it's pretty narrow our questions probably won't impact Mount Hermann or 54. Thank you. Did you have other thoughts, Brent? Linda, were you? No, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, so I've been. Linda covered a couple of my concerns and she also mentioned something that I want to take a second to mention, which is that I am not the most tenured person up here, but we've listened to a lot of these and heard a lot of different applications and a lot of discussion. Yeah, I'm sorry. We've had a lot of discussion in the past from applicants and a lot of reviews. And I just want to commend both the applicant and staff for as much listening to the community's input and our input and as much work as went into revising and adjusting this has been a bit of a Bumpy road for various reasons, but I think there was a lot of patience and a lot of work that went into getting things answered and I appreciate that The one question that I have and I think this is for you, nor, but on one of the maps, you referenced some property that's just to the west and north of the proposed Hanover development, but it's in Ashland. And I just wanted to make sure, I think that's currently Zoned M1. Does anything about setbacks or the current proposal? I know that piece of property is not in this, but if that were to change to residential which could happen since there's residential right next to it, does that change anything about the setbacks? It would obviously change the traffic analysis, but it's changing anything else specific to this. To this project? No, sir. Okay. Okay. I hadn't really thought about the next development that might come and then what happens and it sounds like we're that's not a gap. So I appreciate that. Do you mind if I share one graphic? I thought there was going to be another speaker here this evening and I had a picture I was going to show when they got up and said their words and they did it. There was we had some really great back and forth with an adjacent property owner about height and trying to find examples. And I apologize, this isn't the prettiest picture, but I think it is a helpful picture. I can get it to come over here for you all. And on your screen, it does not look that big. But this tower, so this is 54 going towards town. Here's Woodside Lane. This is that tower we talked about at Patriot Glen, and it's 169 feet. And it's probably, I wish I would have looked, but it's probably set back about 250 to 300 feet. So I just think visually have you noticed that when, I've been looking at it now that since we've been talking about this the property owner and myself. So the top of that tower is 170. Sure. So that does give high tower versus building. But still. Absolutely. There's a huge passing there. Absolutely. So that's all huge passing there. Absolutely. So that's it. Thanks, Laura. That is helpful. Thank you. Brent, did you have other thoughts? What I was most interested in is the follow-up and where we landed after last month's thorough discussion. And I do feel like all the things that we raised have been reasonably addressed. So I think I'm good. I think Nora I would be curious if you know I should probably know this better myself where the progress stands with the handover side of this are they still waiting on us to decide in order to proceed trying to trying to understand the bigger context of this. As I'm saying stand up I was going to let our hand allow one. We're going to the Planning Commission. We're scheduled to go to the Planning Commission next month. So we're still about 30 days behind. They heard you guys defer, and they said great. They don't defer, as well. That's not what I was saying. I didn't even advertise at that point. They're waiting for this. We said, well, that's, I think they're planning commission meets next week. I thought we could slip this in one after the other week to week, but they said they wanted to wait. We've got, I'll be honest, our biggest issue, I think, is the access to the M1 still, and dealing with, we're providing access. They don't like the way we've provided the access. So we're still arm wrestling over that one. The road access to 54. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no from that development is all residential. It was commercially and residential, and now it's all residential. So that's their point of access. The point of access is through the residential piece in the county to serve the M1 piece in the town, because that property is landlocked, but it has a number of different options to get to, but we provided for a, there's a lot of nuances to that code. Sure, sure. We had to work our way around and we did that. We think and so now it's the question of the design of that. So that's, that's really I think, at this point the outstanding issue. There may be others but we haven't heard from that. I appreciate that. Thank you. I know we can't speak for our colleagues but I was curious if you had heard. We're about 30. I rethought it was we're 30 days behind. I'm hoping we'll go before the town council in October and the board of supervisors in November. Sure. It would be one right after the other. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate the way you all address the sight lines. That seemed to be the most vocal and I understand the one of the biggest issues. Sightlines and height. Growing up in the north, I'm used to seeing leaves off trees longer than I'm seeing leaves on trees. I know all of the visuals we saw were green lush trees, but I know we can't control necessarily what trees have what kind of leaves, but maybe to influence some of the landscaping. When I think about decisions that we're hearing from a lot of our neighbors, I try to go back to our guiding principles. And I do try to rely on the comprehensive plan as much as possible to sort of center and ground me. And I was encouraged to see that A-Path, I always, Sylvia, haven't heard this yet, but I'm always trying to advocate for walking and biking and access. That is part of this moving forward, which speaks to our green town principle, I think, which makes me encouraged, again, to support development that thinks about that and honors and respects that. Our small town character and unique features. I don't think the way I think about it are quite as influenced here. I know I've heard from a lot of residents and county residents that this gradual transition into and out of the town matters. And I know that it was commented on earlier, that the county tends to put developments sometimes right on the town border and then talk about general and gradual transitions. So I know that that sometimes makes it harder to have a general transition. But it seems like those comments have been addressed. So that speaks well to me. And the principle of economic vitality, Linda, you mentioned that. And this seems to me to be a response to that being one of our guiding principles that we've talked repeatedly. And I always hear Josh for our comments in my head about how this town generates its revenue and that it comes much more from our businesses and our locals along I-95 and along 54, which this is not quite adjacent to but is very close to, right? And we as commissioners have talked a lot, as Linda mentioned, about how we want to see this East Ashland proceed. And I'm encouraged that most of the comments that I heard tonight seem to be thoughtfully addressed by the staff and the developer knowing that there are still uncertainties. There are still concerns I think about height and where these things are going to sit. But as much as I think we can do our due diligence, we've asked for them to be addressed and I feel like they have. So I'm encouraged by that. The other principles of the comprehensive plan, high quality government services and variety of offerings, I don't think quite applies to this, but I like to try to think through those I'm sort of rambling for Sylvia's sake maybe, to share with you. Rambling. Transparenely, how I go about things like this, that I think matter, and that we hear strong comments from our neighbors that I want to acknowledge and respect, that as I think about how I'm going to make my suggestion to the council, or make our recommendation, that the council will ultimately decide that they're hearing us be I think thoughtful I hope and consider it of what we're hearing our neighbors say With all of that said I feel like I'm ready to proceed with a motion But all one more time ask the commissioners if there are some additional thoughts or anything else that we would like to address Please yes, I did want to say, even with my reservations about the B2, I do want to thank the applicant and the town. I really appreciate the way you included in the packet, the specific concerns we had last month and addressed them one by one. And I think that was a very helpful review on a project that's been going on for a while. So I did want to say a very appreciative of that and think it was well done. Anything Sylvia from you? Brant. I do appreciate hearing from our county neighbors and I do think Mount Herman Road is something that should be thoughtfully considered and addressed by us in the future. I do think it requires some attention and particularly if this development or how this development proceeds, those are legitimate and fair questions and concerns. And even the 54 traffic, right? We talked last month about the improvements that will be made to 54 to try to accommodate some of this. But I do agree strongly with the increase in traffic and particularly with the summer 95 incidences that seem to happen regularly, throwing all the traffic into our side routes that we deal with. But... Okay, if we're ready to move forward, I will ask if any of my colleagues would like to make the motion, or if we want to discuss any changes or amendments further than where we already are. Linda's looking for the actual language. We have to do it one by one. We have to do three separate motions that we will vote on. And so the first one would be for rezoning 24-0325 and ordinance 2024-12. So, and there's a, okay, I got it. Yep. So, I move we recommend to town council and we approve REZ24-0325 and ORD 202-4-12, Iron Horse Business Park and ORD 204-12 rezoning with the conditions and proffers as presented. Is it technically as presented or as amended because of the they were? Well nothing's been amended at this point so with the proffers that have been submitted. Okay Sorry, I just want to make sure I'm getting that right. That's right. Thank you Mr. Chambers. Miss Wright. Nay. Mr. Chambers. Ms. Wright. Nay. Mr. Chambers. Aye. Ms. Bowman. Aye. Mr. Merrill. Aye. Motion carries. You want to keep working, Brent? Do you want me to do? Sure. I move we approve and recommend approval to the town council of CUP 24-0325 and horse business park for height with the proffers as presented in conditions. So the proffers go to the rezoning so this would simply be the conditions in which the staff present it. Okay, and just with conditions instead of the word progress. Okay. Just conditions. Thank you. All right. Ms. Wright. Aye. Mr. Chambers. Aye. Ms. Bowman. Aye. Mr. Merrill. Aye. Motion carries. And lastly, I recommend approval and a recommendation to the town council to approve CUP 24-0326, the Iron Horse Business Park, substations with conditions. Aye. Ms. Bowman. Aye. Ms. Wright. Aye. Mr. Chambers. Aye. Mr. Merrill. I. Motion carries. Thank you for keeping us on track, Bernie, with the proper language. I appreciate that. I know it gets complicated, particularly when we break these into three. And Linda, I do appreciate your vote. I think sometimes sending the signal to the council that we did have some concerns. I think it's, I think it's, I respect that and I just want to let you know. Thank you for voting the way you did. Moving on with the agenda, we don't have any official action items for tonight. So we're going to move into our report of committees and Ms. Barnhart. Would you please give us an update on the town council? Sure. I want to begin by saying. Welcome to Sylvia Bowman. Thank you so much for applying and for taking the time to interview with us and we're very excited to have you in your experience on this committee. I really have just one thing to share with you and that is the approval of Cali Corks. Cali comments. We approved that and so that will be moving forward. And that's the end of my up committee. Okay. approve that and so that will be moving forward. So that's the end of my upcoming report. Okay. Good news. Thank you. That was a very interesting development proposal. So I'm glad I'm glad to see that that is moving to the next phase. Miss Amos, do you have a director's report for us tonight? Do you have a lot to say? So I'm not really actually, I say I have a report on the agenda. I think I already went over to July planning report with you last month. I will go over the neighborhood revitalization updates. I think over the past year. I have talked to you about a couple programs we have worked on. Did I give you the project home's presentation? Yeah, I don't remember. So yeah, you talked about it. Okay. I think that's why you had it on the edge. That's why I had it on the agenda. I'm going to give you that overview. So I'm going to. Okay. Um, and then also the ha trailer. Did we talk about Ashlyn helping Ashlyn last month. Yes, you did mention that. Okay, so it is live and so if you have any organizations or churches or guanas or rotaries or routines who are looking for opportunities to volunteer, we often get zoning compliance complaints whether there be trash or tall grass or weeds and so now we have a trailer where you and your organization can rent for free, equipment to go and help our neighbors with that work. And I'm just filling space at this time. Yeah, no, that's really a great program. Do we have a sense of? Well, why are you filling space? I can mention something else that if you don't mind. So we have a new commissioner, Ms. Amy is not here today. So we will need to elect a chairman for, and then depending on who, if the chair is the current, if for say Tim was selected as the chairman, then we would have to have election for Vice Chair. Because he holds the Vice Chair position right now. So we are gonna do that in October. So just put your thinking caps on for that. And we in October discuss who's interested or who would like or do we try to do that as a commission in advance? I know we're not allowed to meet as a group, but if we- We should do that in advance. I know we're not allowed to meet as a group but if you swap some emails before to see if they're volunteers or if Brent's really time to be chair then we'll move forward. Thank you. We'll schedule a debate. We've had enough of those I think. I'm not looking forward to debating 10. I don't have a good platform. Okay. So I, this presentation was a little lengthy for the town council. I'll go through it a little faster for you up. But in 2022, the town council ear marked $150,000 of their federal American rescue plant act money to go towards home revitalization. It's an effort we had started pre-COVID and had started putting money towards revitalizing neighborhoods. As you have probably noticed, we're getting kind of built out in the town. We don't have a lot of area for new housing. And we also have a lot of aging home stock. And so the town council looked at initiatives in doing home revitalization as well as neighborhood revitalization. So going in and doing a whole package and working in the past we worked with Habitat and other organizations to do little neighborhood projects with this one we worked with project homes to administer this program. And so they took the $150,000 and they were able to rehab 11 homes. All the folks who were helped were income qualified through project homes. And I think when you see some of the improvements, you'll be really impressed with the work that they were able to do for $150,000. And while I'm going through some of the other information, I have to give a shout out to Clayton Keller, our community development specialist, he's the one who was the project manager on this and managed the RFP and getting project homes in here as well as trying to reach out to, again, people we had received complaints about. Several of these were we received some zoning complaints and we were able to go in and help them. So this first project, we did some window inciting repairs. They had some gutter work. Some of these are life and safety issues, not just because they're cosmetically looking better, but with water leaking and power issues. So here are some improvements that were made. You can see there's some new gutter work here. And sighting was replaced. So this one got a new tub, toilet, and some flooring. So this was the pre. And so a lot of these projects, when you're looking on the surface level, it doesn't look that bad. And you get into it and you start taking up flooring. You're like, oh, this is moldy. This needs new sub-ploring. So the project in some cases got bigger. And so now they have all new floors and new tub, a new toilet. We're so excited for this property owner. This one got, was able to get a lot of several different projects. So they're roofed with tub and a toilet hot water heater, new flooring underneath because there was leaking there and then new locks on their front and back doors. So here's a previous, and you can see there was a lot of water damage and mold growing. So they were able to go in and make replacements on the exterior as well as on the interior. That's great. These folks were able to get a new kitchen faucet, washer and dryer, place some supply lines that had been leaking and causing them issues. So all of that got fixed. This one another, a lot of roof issues, a lot of roof leaking here in town. And then replace the kitchen flooring, rotted windows, and front doors. So here's the exterior and some interior pictures. And so you can see this roof here. They got a whole new roof Really great job there And new flooring fixtures So on project number six we replaced the roof and kitchen flooring as well as patch some area and a living room ceiling Where there had been some severe water damage again leading to some mold so you can see see here new roofing area and new floors. Oh, that's great. So the next one, again some bathroom and kitchen fixes and additional flooring and framing and window sills. So we had some electrical issues and so that we were able to go in and help them fix that. And you can see the nice new flooring. That's what makes us wish you. So I'm sorry. Again some electrical work, some exterior doors, front steps, and then heaters and railings. So this is the before. So we were able to lift, get rid of those steps and lift this porch up and put in some new floors and improve their door and railing. Project number nine, we replaced a furnace, the tub, some addition to the roof and replace some piping and insulation. So you can see here the beforrs. It was really not very pretty and then we were able to go in there and clean all that out. That's great. So Project 10, we repaired the windows and the landing on the side of the house, replaced some doors and then the top railing on the porch. So they got a whole new porch and fix those doorways. And then a bonus project, since Project Number 10 was kind of small, we were able to do an extra project here on Number 11. They got replaced some windows, doors, drywalling, flooring, and the toilet. So, really excited about these projects. And again, thank you to Clayton. Thank you to the town council for supporting this. We on staff, honestly, it was hard to get to the 11th. We, the 10th and 11th were kind of hard to find. We don't think it's because there's a need. There isn't a need. It was a lot of paperwork for these folks to fill out, especially since you have to be income qualified and so we would like to give it a year and then hopefully council will fill those those buckets Back up and perhaps we could do this project or something similar maybe work with habitat and do a whole neighborhood Project as well, so very excited and thank you for that support Mm-hmm That sounds great. And just one comment, if it's not already sort of in scope, when we look at doing this again, if there's anything, people need any kind of access improvements, you know, ramps for wheelchairs, anything like that, that would also be a good thing to be able to help people out with. It sounds like these core repairs were pretty critical for folks, but want to make sure we're thinking broadly about what can best help our our citizens Yeah, and the ramps is actually what project homes is kind of known for they come and do accessible ramps especially for seniors So that's something that they're really known for A few items we were excited to celebrate the opening of the classic coffee and tea across the street in the old Harold progress building and so we had their ribbon cutting this week And we will have some additional ribbon cuttings ashen olive we hope will be this month. And so that's the one next to the Ashland Meat Company where the Depot is. So a new restaurant, so we hope that will be open soon. If we have a ribbon cutting, hopefully you all get, do you all get our ribbon cutting invites? OK, so. Well, your email never works out. It does now. It does now. What is the name of the one next to the Depot? Ash and Olive. What is the name of the one next to the diva ash and olive where they just painted it the kind of olive the wood fire pizza place Okay And then next month the Application so right now we think we're gonna have that application. It's gonna come back to you for patriot Glenn There is a chance that it does not come back and so that happens, we might have Bernie reach out to you about not having a meeting in October because we have nothing else on the agenda. And you all worked through the entire summary. Did a great job. Yeah. I have a development question that I should probably know the answer to. Okay. And maybe my commissioners know this. But if I am coming southbound on 95 just before I hit 54, on the right side, on the western side of 95, there is a very large cleared out rectangle. Have you told us what that is? And I forgot. No, no, I have. It's Excel trucking. They sell and service tractor trailers. Right. New ones. And so they're gonna be doing, they're building a... A new sales service center there. Wow. And it's sort of visible from 95. Like you can kind of, they've left some trees off. It will be visible from now. But I was imagining. Yeah, that's a... They didn't have to leave trees. But that's a new... That's going to be a new observable feature prior to that exit if you're coming southbound, right? Absolutely. Really going to see it. And that's one that was already zoned. And so it did, and it was a by-right use. So it didn't come to you. OK. Because they're selling newbies. I wasn't sure I missed something. And I was on my bike over there. And I was surprised at the size of it. But thank you. That's a good question. Thank you. I appreciate that. Any other questions from me? I apologize. I didn't have a better formal report. That's good. It worked for me. Thanks, Nora. Thank you. Any additional observations, questions, comments from the commissioners? Sometimes we share upcoming events. Brant, you had mentioned that you were a part of a regional planning group. Oh, yeah. I'd be curious to hear, and it doesn't have to be tonight putting you on the spot, but I'd be curious to hear when you meet what you, like, how, if we can be supportive as a team or what sort of issues you all are discussing. I thought that was a fantastic opportunity for us to be, or not us, for you to be part of that. And just curious to learn more. Yes and to a small degree I sort of represent what matters here along with Dan McGraw. Right. Dr. McGraw to this regional planning commission that includes counties in in a rich and city and that sort of thing. It's a different bureaucracy but I'd be happy to maybe we can put something on the agenda just to ask. Yeah I've asked Bernie because when we were going back and looking at minutes I saw that that was a request so I asked Bernie if in the future we could add you to this like maybe after council member barnhearts report if you could provide a little report on what you know. I think that would be great. And to be candid, there often aren't a lot of things, as you're familiar, there's not a lot of things worthy of an update where it needs to be every month, but occasionally there are things that are being discussed that could be brought back. So in addition to sort of a, here's what it's about, I'm happy to make room for any updates that go on there to be a further. Well, the week I'm building the agenda agenda I'll communicate with you and you can tell me if you have something to offer or not That be great That be great. Thank you. That's good suggestion and since I'm asking for things lastly I Can't remember nor other frequency or the regularity that we are able to discuss or hear about the CIP Project process and I don't know whether that's that tober. See, I'm giving us a reason to meet, which maybe isn't a good idea, but I love to hear those updates as they're progressing or. So our director of finance has just finished up the audit. I have a feeling her mind has not been on the CIP, but we will get with her and see if that needs to happen. No urgency. But just I remember we deliberate on our decision. Usually it's our decision. You have a public hearing in November, I think. And so we'll get on that. Okay. What is the IP? Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. I should not throw. I'm not throwing the acronym. I'm not putting it's the capital improvement program. It's the simplest form is it's the town council's way of prioritizing projects that come through all of our various documents. So we take all the projects referenced in the comprehensive plan, the transportation plan, parks and rec, all our various programs. We put those into this program and then you all as the planning commission look at all of those projects and pick your top 10 favorite and then you make that recommendation to town council. They do a similar exercise and then that's how they really fund the larger projects in town is through this prioritization project. I call it kind of their savings account so they you know if it's important for me to buy a new car, I make that a priority and I put money into it and save for that. And that's similar to what the council does with the CIP. But it's very important to them that they get your recommendations on what your priorities are. And so our director of finance will come and make a presentation to you all about what those projects are. And now that we've just updated our comprehensive plan, we will go back in and make sure we're updating the comprehensive plan, or the CIP to add in any projects that may not have been there or if something got pulled off, we'll take that out of the CIP. But our Director of Finance will come and make a presentation. And then over the next couple of weeks, they would ask you to review all the projects and then you get to score It's a lot of fun. I think it's one of my favorite exercises and again You to some extent you value what you pay for and you pay for what you value right? So it is our opportunity to say these are the things we think are worth Dedicating funds to so I enjoy and I love to then hear not only what decisions are, but then how things are progressing or where things are not based on other factors. Yeah. Thanks, Nora. All right. I'll stop asking for things. Anybody else? I'll bring our meeting to a close. We are adjourned. Thank you.