All right folks, we'll call the meeting to order. Welcome to the regular meeting of the Shandow Planning and zoning commission March 18th, 2025. We are missing Mr. Colin Kaffee tonight. Looks like all of the members are present. We do have quorum. So that takes us to item number three, citizens' forum. Are there any citizens wishing to speak tonight? If you're here for an agenda item, we can Open that up during that time or you can speak now if you would like so I'll give you a choice Fair enough. They're being done. We'll move on item four preliminary report and public hearing regarding a variance to allow a residential structure to encroach within a side building line located at 135 Bela Vista, Shannon Doe a drive. Jackie? Yes, commission. The property owner 135 Bela Vista's requesting a variance to a side step back. The property is subject to a 30-foot plated bill line along its west property line. The homeowner wishes to expand their first floor living space 10 feet, which would cause an encroachment into that 30-foot build line with the first floor of the structure by seven feet. Only the first floor? Only the first floor, correct. Along the existing exterior wall of the of the home. That's another image is here showing the elevation with the new protrusions planned for that side of the property. Again, the property was plated in 2002, which had been been prior to the existing ordinance, was developed and constructed in 2012 within the established plated building lines. The first of two public hearings before the commission, the property owner is out of the country for this one, but we'll be present at the next meeting. There were he mentions that there used to be a road plan for the early road. Yeah. So early lane was a 20 foot right of way and you can see it on the road. Yeah. Can you? So it didn't give us a whole picture. No. We can put the Google map or your property on the table. That's how it is. This one goes way back to commission on this early lane. Early lane was an access to prior home that was there. There was a single home back in there and then they sold and then the development started. This development was built prior to the neighboring development of Paws here. So, Hurley Lane is this. This is a 10 foot of the existing 20 or the prior existing 20 foot roadway. The 10 foot Hurley Lane, which would have been west of this existing one, was abandoned when we did the Lilley Plot, so it kind of encompassed. So Jackie, when you zoom in there, where I'm seeing the landscaping, that's going to be half of that early lane approximately, right? Correct, yeah. That fence line should be right in the middle of the old early lane. Correct. Is that the early lane right there? Where the trees are? Yeah, I'll go ahead, Bill. Yeah, you got it. Correct. Is that the honey lane right there? Where the trees are? There are all those. Go ahead, Bill. Yeah, you got that. This is what used to be. Herley Lane was here. This fence, when these people bought, herley lane was abandoned. And so, got went into living. Because my house is that second house that you pointed to on the left. It binds the first. That's half as being. This is the one that wants to get it. This is my house. This is for our house. This is the couple right here at this house. So we're representing it here. So what they're asking for is about going to cover that sidewalk you're seeing. Bill, if you'll point there to the home, that sidewalk, that's about where the edge of the house will be when construction is done. That's 10 foot right there. On that side of the foot. No, this I think is from the edge of the house now to this would be 30 foot. Actually going to be more than that because 10 foot for early lane plus the 30 foot build line and then I think the house is set off three foot from the exit. How much are they going to add on? 10 feet of the structure. The first floor only 10 foot additional structure. So thewalk won't quite cover it. Yeah. So that side looks that senior right there. How much do we know how big that is? We don't but I can find out. Just curious. It'll be four or five feet probably. Mark is the agree with that. Yeah. It'll look very much. If you look at the concrete expansions, it's a normal walkway that's about what it it would be. They're asking them to go seven feet into the 30-fifths. So something more? So that's really going to go... Yeah, a little bit past the trunk. Somewhere. That driveway is probably 16 feet wide. Yes, they're at the top. So... Do they have two driveway? It's not a driveway, I think it's just a path that I access. Yes, looks like they've worked on great. They've got the driveway, which would be to the right there, into the garage. Probably some additional parking over there or something. You guys, what's wrong with that, Ann? Did you open the public hearing last tonight? What's that? I did not, Jackie. Well we announced the hearing that the 602, yeah, 602 is the start of the public hearing. Thank you. So anyway, so there's quite a bit of room there compared to many of our The visions throughout Shannandoah, that 40 feet there is a pretty generous setback without any other easements through there or rights of way I guess. Yes, current I think believe current zone for the R6 zone which is where this property is located. We were to do development today, plot it today. We have a five foot side setback and left it a blooded or roadway, it'd be a 20 foot setback. So the 30 foot setback, again, and plot it exceeds the currents on today. Well, in fact, you can see the five foot on the right. Yeah. And again, the variance is just for the first floor. And they got encroachment agreements from. They do have encroachment agreements from energy and AT&T who have according to the survey. Bill, what's your comfort level on that? I mean, if they have it in writing, then you know, they, they're in permission to go into. It's just they actually just why I'm asking. Well, they actually, I think the utilities look at, we're going to use any of that or not and they determine they're not the, and believe it or not, there's actually, they actually have a few more feet, probably at that stage, three or four. That old survey, where you live, there was a survey, and there was a different survey that butted up, and starting at Wellman Road and coming down when you get to the end of this subdivision, there's actually eight feet. It starts out at about a foot and an inch at Welman and widens eight feet at the end that the surveyors can't reconcile. American style, that. There's a negative. Just a little variance over time with different surveying technologies and we see that pretty often. They don't tie together to. Yeah, this. Well, that's a matter of time I talked talked Increasing their building size insurers there The what where their property lines? I mean, you know in other words It feels like increasing their building size sort of you know guarantees that that their You know that their property ownership You know it continues if even if the same feed is in dispute. I don't plan to build directly behind the marios too, and the wounds are right next to that. I just wanna share enough to share a thought. I paid a really large premium for that product, that locked, and one of the reasons I paid a really large premium didn't go to the city of Chambo, I went to the Grace Point in Lily, is because of the size in the space behind my house, between my house and the next door neighbors. They do have upstairs, but a room that looks directly to our kitchen area and living space. But I bought that property with the understanding that this is a house. This is my distance from it. They can use their property from whatever they want in terms of playground. And they've added things. And it's like a tore down fence and so forth in the creed in their space. But my initial reaction is this changes Mary and myself that ultimately the lose premiums of things that we pay for but the existence of our view, our backyard experience and so forth. Checking the back. Thank you, Tom. I'm sure there are houses in the, yes, the area. So where was the fence taken down that you referred? Yes sir if you know why? Yes please. So what they're to the left of the the line. There was a VF just along the edge of this tree line there was a fence and so when the Mary and the booze and I built our well I actually was the first form the first of the neighborhood. We had my tree with my fence line, this is my backyard, another fence line and then there there you are. So just just to be clear is what happened there once again. On your side when the Lily development was built your back fence was set in the middle of what was the old, early lane property. So I was talking about the description about that. So you're saying that already compensated for that early lane. You already got in your 10 feet of that early lane. That fence line there. Yes. Okay. So what happened, they had an old fence that was set before a hurly lane was abandoned. And so by them tearing their fence out, their property line actually extended 10 feet beyond where their fence was. So they've just simply taken that fence out and claimed the rest of the property that they already owned. So I could, so you should, I could look up the property lines and see that it does represent a long dislike. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Now, there's survey. Do they have a current survey? Is this, or is this the original survey? That was a current survey. So that section of early lane on on the Tuscany Woodside hasn't technically been abandoned. The city still has that right of way, 10 foot of right away still exists. As you'll see, many of those homeowners there have kind of taken their spends down and just used that area as it's supposed to be. Oh, OK. Well, I stand corrected. But this property, regardless of they beautify or use that area, it doesn't actually physically change the property lines. Oh, and by this property, there is the 10 foot approximate early lane right away. And then from there is where his property line would start with that 30 foot bill line with the additional fee. I've just why understand over the years, over the years the city has abandoned I think we did one or two Deeds to homeowners over there. I don't know if it's one request. Yes, I think you do the whole thing and just simplify Obviously, we're not maintaining well the reason is because may you get to pay more taxes once we abandon the two of you? The property is bigger. So have you been on that property that that extra pot has been deeded to them? I don't believe so on this one, don't I? I don't know. But there's no requirement to have a fence. Have they cleared or anything? They've done anything to push that vegetation back? No, the trees are still there. There's a still there, but they'll do landscape, you know, to make children's playground area. Got you. All the way around. Whereas our stands as it was when we built in 2016. So it's like living against a green belt effectively, which they've adopted for the road. Yeah? Yes, ma'am. So, do you have any more information about which one has been of end and minus the thing? Because what happened is like this homeowner once he took off the fence, his neighbor like behind us down below they also take off the fence. I remember I found everyone, I can see some landscape here there below. There's one that looks like lift the fence up. There's no requirement to have a fence that I'm aware of. Jackie, is that correct? That is correct. There is no requirement. Unless there's a pool or something in the backyard, that would work. So I could tear down my fence and use part of that green belt. That's what I hear from your comment. And so you will, yes? OK. I'd like a little bit more space. OK, sir. Well, it couldn't reconstruct a fence further into the green bulbs, but you can take the fence. Yeah. OK, now we're it to the house. Okay. I can ask, I could make that request abandon it to me. Because it's on their half, they're not going to the city's not going to give you more of Harley Lane than you already got. So that's Harley Lane was 20 feet wide, you have to. Which is not represented by my That I don't know but I believe it is yes, it should be but it's off the foot or so Because the the Willie property if you look at all of them Because that was a later development Yes, the. That is for sure that we got, because I have a small backyard as it is. Yes, your house is probably 15 feet from fence, which would be the big line on the house properties. Because mine is the island of the Plum, yeah. And I'm like, I have a word that then coming more out this way, that's really turning crotch on me amongst. So great. And we can, I mean, I can pull the plot and I'm happy to send you the Louis plot to that shows where the tent that was, but the Holy Lane was abandoned on there. I can email that to you. Please. Yeah, absolutely. Is that being in this case, the city can only abandon that country to the Lebanese and the other side. That doesn't even work. That's what would impractical terms would happen. The city could sell it the way up. Okay. So if you could, if you petition the city and went to buy it and if the city council elected they could sell it. It would likely not sell it to us though if these people had built so close into that line. They're not going to sell it to you without first offering it to the people that It originally was on their half of the street Bill I'm asking you to work for memory here, so yeah hold you to it, but When Lily was developed Hurley Lane would have been That was their construction Right, but it would have been a right of way owned by the city of Shenandoah. Was that needed to the city? It was right of way. And so, conceptually, conceivably, half of that was released to the Lillie developed which we would have. By plot. It was particularly done by plot. Yes. I'd like to verify that for the next very folks, there are two public hearings required by ordinance on this. So we're all kind of working through the history. There's been a lot of movement on that. Jackie, let's look at it and just verify that the lily development has their half in the public road, and that was released by the city. The change of custody is kind of what I'm chasing here. Mark, is that the essence? Jennifer, absolutely. You know, are also, could we get the ones that have been banded and deeded over? It's just one, and I'm trying to remember which one. I'm pretty sure that... I know this property was dated that could claim be a recall. And I'm not sure if it was this one here, one of these little properties, if I recall. But we can confirm. The one that's right there next to the pool, that fence was moved two years ago with the additional bank house, right? I think, uh, two years ago, it might have been three. One of these houses just finished recently. That one right below where you mouse that one. No, they were doing work on that one and one below. So, folks, one of the Martin E. Gitchforschnads. You good? I remember sitting there, San and O. Sharks, and having nothing else to do, except for a staring watch construction and then move fence. So exactly would you pull down the right seat that pool to the north there? This one here? Yeah, so folks if you'll notice there, there is a pool encroaching across that building line. Jackie would you walk us through the ordinance on that? Pools are a large encroached build lines. Again, they've received proper easement documents up to three foot from a property line in our current zoning work. It's not very important. It's not required. It's not fine. Three to veggie coping on. I'm full. So my next question is looking outside if you're all approved. So the next meeting and next month planning and zoning makes their recommendation to City then it rolls, the application rolls to City Council for action. So April 15th is the next version of this, where I'm standing in the April 23rd, after it made the recommendation, City Council has to be passed. That's about five week window. Because I'm concerned about how much they're coming at, so I guess I do have a very small backyard. And I get the brunt of their stuff. Yeah, so. So there is a, you have a yard space, and it looks like a... Would you get that? Drive ways. Go down. Yeah. Oh, there's no drive down there. And that's it right there, so I ask. This is going to be in all likelihood 15 feet from her and the edge of her house to the fence. Jack, you mentioned something about the current ordinance. What? Walk us through the current ordinance for setbacks in this zone. Okay. Yes. So the R6. So IDC was adopted, let's say in 2011, the property, the testimony was subdivision was plated in 2002. So we're talking about a plated building line that they're requesting a variance to encroach. The home was constructed in 2012, which was after the IDC adoption, but we had that plated building on it in place. And so the property was constructed for that plated step backs. We have a. If that property was sitting vacant today, this testing was came in at the open on R6. The side step backs between properties or joining additional properties would be five feet adjoining a roadway would be 20 feet So current zone would have it sitting less than the existing plotted Side line. So right now they have the 30 feet or so there so they are six times What would be required today? For a side setback. Okay. Any questions? Is there a possibility that any contingency on the petition would like, for example, ask any member of the owner on the other side of the petition that may go to the other side? The commission's able to make recommendations to City Council and is adopted by ordinance. I mean, coulds, consent and request? I didn't understand the question. I guess the main concern that is for our class is that for both privacy and privacy, like I mentioned, they'll be putting in this green value as the catch each other, these two brothers can help them out on the camp. So a word from that, the policy would to put up. So the fence had two sides right on our fence. So the white night has on our center and a lot of gap in between the fence. So they can just put up the not a hundred times on their sides so they can fill out the gaps so we go because we only need to see each other. That's the first thing we do in privacy. The second one is the encroachment of the vegetation. And so there are a lot of innovations like growing into our properties and competition, where they have a paradigm that can potentially cause the damage to property. So I was wondering if they can trim the vegetation. So that's my question. That we add these to contingency to that position? Do you have some of my options? Let me address that in two parts and Bill helped me here. So regarding vegetation and anything that may be overhanging across the fence on the European property, the existing fence immediately behind your property. That was built with the lily property. Anything hanging over that fence, you're allowed to trim. That's state law. If there's a, if that fence is right here and that property line is right here, if you put up a force field and it could cut everything in between. Yeah. It's the age old apple tree limb hanging over the fence whose apples are they? They're yours. Now what I would also say is regarding the contingency having the property owner maintain that that's not his property. So it hasn't indeed had done yet. Right. If if if what we believe is correct here in Jackie's going to find that answer for the next meeting. So that would be a city of Shanna Doa issue. I believe in the property. I have a question for you. The 135, that bottom fence, it looks like it goes all the way over and connects to Y'alls fence and Mark would you stand up and show us what you're seeing So right here this fence appears that it comes all the way over next Boxing That would be their property right here Because there's no fence there's no fence whether That's correct there there was. When we brought the house. There used to get that. Gotcha. Okay, that's when I was looking at the 3D, I was seeing some of the remnants, but some of it's cut off. So that's why I was questioning if that fence did, indeed, go all the way over. Yeah. Yeah. When the houses were originally built, I built it along the property land on the early were originally built. They built it along the property land on our way. Yep. Okay. Any more questions on this one, folks? Again, there will be another public hearing on this next month. Miss Jackie will have some ownership information on that. Commission anything? I would like to add that through my two and a half decades of doing this, Greenbelts are always a subject of or often a subject of debate when development sets in in a space which has historically been a green belt. I myself went through that that same thing because my my property but a large green belt along research forest and there's about 300 feet there of Green Belt that we enjoyed for 15 years and I hoped and prayed nothing would develop there but I've ended up with two banks and my back yard and a near miss with the fast food so you know it's always a challenge so I understand your Sorry. So Let's from a vegetative standpoint, trees, hurricanes, I can definitely understand that. My house is still down the studs and has a tarp work from the hurricane. After him and that client tree cut his house. She had another question. She had a question. Can you have some information set into the email? Like, because I guess we missed a little few minutes, and then it's in our room, it's familiar, which does top right hand wanna take a look at it. Yeah, the agenda packs with some support documents online. I can send you the link to that. And then I think I mentioned in the miscre I can send the flat for both willing and testing it with you for you to take a look at. Yeah, yeah, they'll be you for shipping. Yeah, if you visit the website there, there's a lot of information in the agenda packet. It has everything that's in here. Everything that's pulled up here will be in that agenda pack. Okay, you can just give me an email. All right, as you move on to the next topic or we'd like to get out of your room. No that's completely okay and it's $10 per person per agenda. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Yes. Here we right down my ear. I'm sorry, here is the question. All right folks, if no other questions, we will adjourn the public hearing at 6.30 p.m. Let these folks get signed out and move on. Sorry. Thank you. I hope you can read my hand already. If I can get all the time, I can get the head of the commissioner. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I haven't heard the name Hurley Lane in a while. All right. That takes us on to agenda item number five for preliminary report and public hearing for 28667-45 North Shenandoah, Texas. Item A proposed special use permit for convenience, sales and personal service for the operation of the convenience to the mean it store including incidental gas sales item B proposed special use permit for e-texas alcohol beverage commission wine only package store permit you Let's go ahead and open the book Did you close? I didn't write it. I'm sorry. Let's go ahead and open the public hearing at 6.32 PM. Ms. Jackie, you have a floor. All right. Commission, kind of excited. We've got to change an ownership for the vacant gas station at Chinatowa Drive and the service road. So these two applications for special use permit, convenience sales and personal services is where fuel stations fall in and they're required by special use permit in our neighborhood service zoning district. And then just as typical TAPC applications, they're asking for a wine only. Don't be confused by the name of the new TAPBC. It allows for the sale of beer and wine for off-premise consumption for the convenient store. They're looking at doing an exterior improvement to this location and then potentially adding us another fuel pump to the south side of the existing pump. What happened with the environmental? So one tank was certified and capped and has been abandoned in place. And the other one was actually drained from my understanding. And so it's sitting empty and that was taking care of on the environmental side. Okay, so they will probably have to add a tank. That or a recondition to one, the one useful tank. Do we have any records to make sure that is a permit? I kind of think where we have to inspect or. The city doesn't have that, but there is. It's a huge, yeah. Yeah, it's a good city to have. Yeah. Of course, sure. Well, that's good news to hopefully maybe get the shutters off the one. Does it? Yeah. If this is an independent brand, as I understand, it is. It's this location is going to be bus stop number 16. They have other fuel station locations around the Houston area. I wonder if our other smiley's group. I don't know that. I can asking to find out if they're affiliated with that. Where's that truck out place for the morning? Let's see. I don't know that. I can ask and find out if they're affiliated with that. Wish I'd talk to a place where I wouldn't win it. Is this Shiantaka? Yes, this is Shiantaka. I was unsure about that. I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure any questions. Do we have to move the first one? First two, correct. First two meetings. Again, so we have the two items there. We have the alcohol and then especially use permit because this but... It's in our neighborhood service. Neighborhood services, yeah. Do we have anything? Are they going to do a drive-through? Like what it's used to? No drive-through, they are doing... Elevation diagrams or anything. I don't know that we included in that. The building permits actually under review. I can provide those next time if you'd like. The sides aren't changing. They are doing a modification to the front of the building. And then just for more ease of flow into the site, and exiting the site into the neighborhood, they're relocating this drive around this median island here. So they'll re belts along here and then modify this this that the traffic can actually legally flow back down in the neighborhood. Now that property is what we had that that is the same with that. That would let the The house is used on that property. It's different. Move. that property. Yeah, it's different. So Jackie, have they submitted a preliminary on that driveway? I know what you were thinking because you don't want them to come in, get that turn around and come right in, you want them to end up with as it is built now. Anyone exiting that to go back into Shenandoah Drive either has to do a U-turn around that estimate. or just-strip drive the wrong way for 20-30 feet there on Shannonville Drive. They've submitted their civil set their building sets to include that. Again, I can include that in the next package. I don't believe it's this wide. I think the intent is to- No issues will setbacks or anything. Building is not actually expanding its size. The front elevation will get a facelift and then the addition of an additional cover and pump here. Bill, if the developer wanted to cover the cost, shortening that Esplanade by five or eight or 10 feet would significantly improve ingress and egress for that property. Are there any legal complications with such an idea on this one? You're sad? Just if they wonder to it and said he counts it once a day. If everybody agrees. So just looking at it, you know, we've in our redevelopment plan we've talked about this strip and one of the challenges is ingress and egress and that driveway is horribly misaligned. Now I don't think anyone in the room was around when that theater was too way so that was a different scenario that becomes too way. Back in, that changed in the late 80s, early 90s. Same with the punting. Yeah, 80, some in the 80s, I believe. So anyway, that property... Yeah, Jackie can mention that to them. They might be obtainable. That thought. Yeah. They just occurred to me here looking at it. Okay. All right. Again, this is a meeting one of two particular items. So no other questions. We will close the public hearing at 6.37pm. Item 6, consideration and possible action to approve or deny a sign exception providing for a cat-met-wall signs and allowing for existing non-conforming signs to remain located at 15 or 1 research-force drive, Shannon-D and go to Texas. Jackie and I have shared an email on this. I have a lot of questions so I've asked her to walk us through all of my questions and any of your own tonight so Jackie. Yes, commission for consideration. Our raising King's location is has two existing cabinet wall signs, which are identified as signs that are enclosed in one sort of fixture that are not permitted by our current sign ordinance. So, each one who, this one, what does it mean? So they are, they're doing an updating lighting package to the signs going from the old lighting to an LED lighting updating the fixtures and the faces of these and so per ordinance in order for them to be able to take the down existing cabinet signs put up new cabinet signs they have to get a sign exception. The reason we put the caveat about the nonconforming signs is they also have some They have the drive-through signage that would be subject to our sign ordinance and not any sort of exterior directional signage. And so to make sure that they are able to not affect those signs, they're asking for the two wall signs to be able to be replaced and then keep the remainder of the signs as our onsite. Are those incidental signs of non-conforming under the new ordinance, under the current ordinance? They depending upon size. I know they've got some of the The ground signs with the arrows and stuff. I don't have the measurements on those signs I think incidental signs are no more than like four square feet or something like that So I don't remember granting variances on that. That's been a long time ago The approval signs are like all the elements of the sign are individual. Correct. So they could put it back or correct. Yeah, individual elements. And they're wanting to just swap the exact same sign with different lighting. Correct. I mean, it's new new cabinetry, new, it looks identical. The red will be red versus fake red. Right, but new LED lighting. On the outside non-conforming. The cabinet signs they're not permitted by, they're specifically excluded from sign ordinance. I'm not understanding so partly. Like how, tell me how it will be. Yeah. So it's got a, it's got a, a mount that's the shape of the sign and then they just put a like a Yeah, I didn't closure and I just put a face on it That's a big trouble. Cains would have to be separate from the bullet the red background and the chicken fingers It has to be separate from yeah, so yeah This is probably better and then you can tell that this sign is actually enclosed and then it just has a face kind of attached to that enclosure. So it's backlit, it's got a material here that's just sitting inside of this. Right, the tab is the sign. Correct. Yes, which are not permitted. We're reaching out a lot by sign ordinance. A cabinet sign? Correct. Yeah. Well, you would or not. I'm assuming because most of the time they're not as customers that would be correct. Most of the time they're rectangle and dry. Yeah, the sign ordinance is very specific. Cabinet signs are allowed and signage must be individual elements. So you'll notice like the the me as the meast table sign or the PGA sign, their individual elements that maybe mounted on top of each other to give them that logo that they have Starbucks is the same way. But I mean, there's a number of businesses around and we've granted a bunch of it. Very since the year. Letters, full letters, and a cabinet style letters. Right. But the letters are yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 11 hearings. I hate to open that can. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing objectionable about that song. That's why you have a variance. Yeah. Well, maybe these are out. Ultimately, I didn't have any issues with this. I just didn't fully understand what they were trying to do. Yeah. You guys on board? Yep. The Mexican and fish. We did the variance of the fish camp. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Yeah. That was driving me nuts. I can. Yeah. Yeah. Good company. Five below all of the five below was a cabinet but it was what three square foot. I think theirs was the painted that back. Well they were. Yes. That's a little bit lower. The main purpose of the sign ordinance, the way it is, is to eliminate that the ugly rectangle sign. You're asked not for custom sign. Yes. And these are clearly custom. And this is their logo. Yes. Yes. Yes. Probably registered on Yes, and that exact. If you look at their napkins or everything, trust me, they'll look quite good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah-fil-A is under renovation, others. But yeah, that's pretty good. So on some stress, we shouldn't use that as part of our decision here, but they are popular. And this is an action item that the Plains on the Commission acts as the sign committee. Yeah, Jackie did in your discussions with them was there any mention of their Monument sign at research? No, but that's what thing is listing and falling down the hill. It needs some work or or. OK. So what if they do any modification to a list? So there's a maintenance provision. So like, there are allowed to do maintenance on their signs up to, I think, when we did the sign ordinance, we up did, I think, two more modern, very times, like $2,500 on the sign. So if the signs landing are following, they'd be able to go out and breathe, you know, breathe, scratch or repair that sign up. It'll complicated, it's brick and it matches the building. So again, it's a modern, it'd have to be professional and lifted, but we can take a look at that. We're reminding them that they can maintain that, if you would, it doesn't look bad, that I was seeing the other day. And it has drooped. It's about 10 inches. Yeah, that one. that they can maintain that if you would. Yeah. It doesn't look bad, but I was seeing that the other day. And it's it has drooped. It's about 10 inches. Yeah, that one there. Yes. It is. It's listening to the south about eight or 10 inches. Anyway, food for thought. OK. For consideration for number six, make a motion to a person to sign the one that's as present. All right. Thank you. Mark. We have a motion any do you have a second? Second. Any discussion? All right. It being none. All those in favor of approving the sign exception. All right. Motion carries unanimously. I have more to cancel. I have seven. Consideration possible action to make recommendation to City Council to approve or deny a zoning alcohol permit. Zap for Sal. You brought that. Would I do that correctly? I was going to say it too, so good to know. Located at 170-0-0 research for a strived Shenandoah, Texas, 77381. So the owners are here tonight. They are the current owners of Aviana Brazil. And they're looking to relocate over to the Killam Stakeout. So thank you for coming and Jackie, take it away. As I understand, it slightly does a different concept than the haven't had a Brazil, but the new property owners of the existing kill in stakeouts are requesting their TAVC license. It's a zoning alcohol permit. They're asking for the identical license killing has the mixed beverage with the food beverage endorsements, which was issued to killins in 2019. This is a one a one same permit. Killins. Correct. This is a one one meeting item, which is not a situation. Out. Does not include late hours correct. Well, killins was becoming wildly popular. We hope these folks are just as successful or or even more. So with that commission any questions? This is a Brazilian steakhouse like you do part of the other one. It's quite good. It's great. And their timeline is pretty quick. They are under construction now. So Tyel, I'm making some face lifts to the building. No major structural changes. Do you have a tentative opening date? Well, it depends on the future. When we get approval from the city, but I'm staying for first. Oh, nice. So I'm closing down at the end of Brazil on March 24th, okay, 224th. And then Armese is up there. So they're talking about the perfect timing. Perfect timing. Perfect timing. I'm trying to move it as a spot. I'm losing the employees And also know of you a pair of open information. We're not on the system may not have an alcohol burn it by then but I guess This is a rental from our existing There's like a provision of water that allows the TABC to rent from Avenue to Brazil. Okay, they just take it up and she already received the approval of the final approval. I understand, I didn't know that was possible. And this application is for action so it'll roll to City Council next week as well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's the City can move along. Oh yes, TABA.C.S. Yeah. Yes. Right. These be public, couple weeks I guess. The mission I would take a motion from one. I'll make one more motion to approve, to recommend City Council for approval of the ZAP as well. I have a motion. I'll second. For Mr. Henn, a second from either Jennifer or Mr. C. Jennifer. Nick Jennifer one. Any discussion. All right. They're being none all those in favor. Motion carries unanimously. I normally say welcome to Shannon Doherb. Welcome to a new location. And we're happy to see what happens over there. Thank you. I was a big fan. Check his out. Yeah, that's it. For Shannon's big fan of killings. Yeah. And now a lot of people are upset because we... On that note, our folks, they were... I think he's trying to specifically work with the Maryland. Yeah, it was a long way for him. I have some things that he has to do with. I did have a conversation with Mr. Kellen and he indicated that business had been good year over year growth but they were going to focus on some of their other side pretty established. Yeah, and this was a long way from home for them. So it's good for you. You're out. I know. We did the great building in whiteboard, 10 years old. That's how it's built. Well, it was perfect. Fugga to Chow is hard to get into with parking and everything and Y'all speaking roughly and chicken is better. I'm more importantly, they, that. and y'all are in Shenandoah. Yeah, when you mention it is not in Shenandoah. I'm sure. Thank you guys. Thank you. All right, thank you. I'm more importantly they and y'all are in Shenandoah Y'all will have better parking Look forward to this. No, no, no. Yeah, it's fucking a child. No, it's fine. High to make discussion regarding any changes that should be made to the Integrated Development Code. High to May, primary focus will be on chapter five, supplemental regulations. Bill, it's really, this section is really jacking. Oh, I know. The supplemental regulations have deal with fencing, parking, just a variety of building requirements. And over the years, while there's a lot of Section 5 that we're happy with, there's three or four sections that frankly we think should go. I'll give you the example before Jackie takes over is fencing. Being in the IDC, if we want to change one regulation about fencing versus work instead of moving it to an ordinance, then we send out 3,500 certifying letters. And so there's some of these things that over the years we've learned really would be better in an ordinance when city can change it, you know make changes in the editions, but there's some others in jacking. Let me just before you go deeper bill on that notion of making changes to the IDC you raise a good point. You have some letters to everyone affected which is the entire city in this case. Normally it's You send letters to a handful of people right those within 250 feet 200 feet If and when we get to home rule And we need to change the IDC. What does that look like? Depends on the rules. Okay. I put that on. Well we're getting close and there's rumors of you know kicking off a committee again so you know that's that's a city council thing but however you slice it we're gonna be there in the future I would imagine what I'm getting to here is things like you just mentioned. If that should end up needing a voter referendum to change the IDC, is that conceivable? Or could it be? It's whatever, whatever, whatever the chart is trying to change. Okay, so that's a little concerning that something like this could ultimately require a vote. Not see it bad or good, but it is a big process to make a maintenance change. So I think that's all the more reason as we work through this IDC, we need to kind of keep that in the back of our minds for maintaining this thing. And then still getting residents of say in it through a process, which could through either you know planning zoning or council or however it falls out. I have a question. Yes ma'am. Is this for if you want to replace your fence you have to get a permit? Like what are you talking about? Yes. But what we're saying is right now let's just say the IDC said every residential fence has to be six feet. And we all decided, we all decided we wanted it to be six and a half. We can't change that without an entire sending out to the entire city. Are there any guidelines now? Because I know we have a regular one, but our neighbor has like an eight foot because he's that much taller than us on the back. Well if you see here on line one it can be some a minimum of six feet no more than eight feet. So there are some pretty specific variables. Fencing criteria. But what Bill is saying is because this is in the development code rather than a city ordinance. It's kind of two different animals with how we make changes. State law requires us to send all of these notifications for any change to the development code. An ordinance can be changed by City Council. Build a room. Capture that correctly. Yes. So maintenance changes can be done. You want to be careful about things that say zoning. You wouldn't want that to just be able to be changed by City Council. Thank you, Dr. Cimic. You want to make sure you get a lot of notification. Anyway, there are things where a lot of notification is more important than some things. OK. So Jackie, run with you. So on the topic of fencing, we've got that five to three kind of leading to what fear of you was talking about was, do we want to, do we want to pull these items out of the integrated amount code and put them into an ordinance that we can actually then include? Like right now includes materials, high, not to exceed, it doesn't talk about location of fencing or any sort of visual appearance of fencing. Got some, you know, that we all notice the fencing long while men that change the colors. Yeah, stuff like that on the fencing. We can't control those without like West said, all the public notices and stuff that if we pull it out these sections for fencing residential fencing and commercial fencing we can control that a little better. So we're just gonna recommend the fencing get moved to an ordinance for residential and for commercial or both both Jackie as it is written, is this language effective for the most part? There's some elements you and I have discussed, like appearance that we probably need to enhance. but overall is this a pretty solid piece of language that your team can follow and minister with minimal interpretation that gets done what you need to do. There's a specific section in the Fencing Board that talks about eight plus a Rob board. What's the length of a rock board? What's the width of a rock board? You know, what's so significant? Because I can put a little bit of some senses that have. Right. We were fixed. During the sensing performance. Yeah. We've got some resonance that put 10 foot vences in because they put an eight foot fence and a two foot rock board and it technically complies with. That's a loophole. Yeah. OK, so but mine things like that. We can fix those things, yes. And I said because back when we crafted this, a lot of work went into it, my goodness. So I would hope that we did it mostly correct and well for administration by your team. But I'm just curious how it shakes out. No. Personally, I don't have any issues pulling this out and putting it in ordinance. Yeah, that's good. And this hedges and everything in the whole section. I think that's probably a lot of ordinance. But I would like to walk through it and present counsel. So eight, look, just from the grass through your recommendations and then look at each changes to present the council. Okay. I'm sorry Mark, do I? That's your proposed change for the rear. For this for this section. Yes, where it talks about right right here, not including a rap board. And so we could we would have to specify a total or max height on fences. I'm sorry I left mine. Okay, I'm going to get through that. I'm going to have a presentation shall we paint the ground level. So, including rock board. So you like that language or you would propose to change it to co-holy height of 8 feet including your record. Correct. If the if the commission and council wanted to cap the total foot, it may have it may have been intended to say including the rockboard and I think that's not including the I think that's not in there because I specifically remember it's talking about an E for the max. Yeah. I think that's a title. So, but from the ground, as your ground elevation doesn't change, it's still E but from ground where the earthless evaluation changes. At the point you're measuring. Yeah. So the top is and straight. Yeah. So from the hottest elevation up, it'd be a foot, and if I had a two foot drop, I could still maintain the amount of low points. Yeah. It's like the foot. Yeah, my foot's like a foot. Mine slopes down, but I've got it for you. Okay, well, I don't well, I don't take it too far down the rabbit hole in this one. That's a whole set of meeting. Yeah, but conceptually, I'm okay with it. You can mention. Yeah, okay. One thing I wanted to point this five two four section here for site group screening. We've got what the first page that we talked about for F commercial fences. Just to keep in mind when we're thinking about the redevelopment zone screening of buildings and screening of properties along currently in the zoning district would allow for either vegetation or fencing. There's a kind of a conflict here because it specifies only fencing. So we'll notice we just need to make some clarification with what the What the commission wants to recommend or be going to require a commercial property that abuts a residential to do screening of fencing. Are we going to require it to do screening of fencing or vegetation? Something just to kind of talk about. So, several things to think about. Noise bounce back. Yeah. But also you have a commercial in a backyard you don't want. Yeah, I think fencing is a must. Vegetation, rest places of vegetation are to do for any height versus power lines. Again, more discussion in certain meetings. On the read about current. Yeah, I think you're on the right track. Yeah Another section we'd like to pull out is So you're proposing pulling that one out as well. Yes. Okay. Yeah 5.3 we've got parking, putting a driveway access sections this are, our public works as a design manual at standards for driveway approaches, construction as far as concrete standards, stuff like that, that includes sound items in this section. So there's an overlap there. We suggest pulling out these items and putting it in our design manual. And all of our builders would love that. I don't like duplication. Right. And because we're trying to design manual is much easier to use for construction. Yeah. We're gonna take take exception to that is things like the compliance part of it. So we as a group, you know, who don't have access to that design manual, can know what is the ordinance for parking regulations and loading and those things. So if we can separate those two, conceptually, I don't have an objection to it. But who else see at the word you need to make those things. So if we can separate those two conceptually, I don't have an objection to it. But who has the authority to make those changes? And if changes are to be made outside of city council, how's that done? Well, we're not talking about like enforcement. I mean, we can leave certain aspects of enforcement and in here and then refer to the design manual and the document and design manual changes. But there's items like thickness of concrete, types of concrete, types of paving and stuff like that that maybe you're either in conflict with the design manual or can be duplicated in the design. Yeah, I mean, let's get the technical stuff for, yeah. If we can have the IDC and have that reference to your build design. That's what we plan. Yeah, that's good. Okay, and then there's that. That can change but what processes are to make a change to that? From the design manual, who governs that? I'm going to say in theory, in reality, public works. What really drives it most of the time is changing the building code, changing it in the safety manuals on 80 years. Yeah, 80 is another great. As far as I know, that's all covered by the National Building Code in FBA and 80 is kind of the big three there, right? Yeah, they don't, in other words, they don't have their own criteria in public works. They're referring back to their own operating still. And that's what changes. Revision driven thoughts. Right. Which mark you probably use daily right? Yeah. Until you almost every 88 weird rule. All right. Here's my favorable on the 4.5. Yes. So this is Section 5.4. It's going to be updated based on that conversation we had about. This is more just information when we get to the redevelopment zone. This section will have to be updated to for the decisions that are made based on screening and fencing allowances to. So if we decide that for fencing for fence burdenate for properties are C3 zone that we're changing to the redevelopment zone for going to require fencing and landscaping this 5-4 will have to be updated because it's rough and you're talking landscape club for correct. Correct. Yes. You're talking landscape. You're talking high. I'm sorry. Yes. No, they're all kind of. They're kind of in. I didn't see how the fence effect. We're going to put a fence on a building put some trees on it. I'm tracking. Yeah. Alright. Thank you. All right. Move again. Yeah. It is here for her. Can't suppose those trees right off. Right. This has kind of come up with our central development. We've got zero lot line homes in section 55. We allow for projections over the lot line in the neighboring properties as long as there's access for draining for like a roof line. Correct. Yeah. Two foot into it. So what they have to have fire suppression. They do have to have fire suppression fire rate walls. One thing I think that we'd like to add is some sort of notation in here about watershed from roof lines. Centro is not an issue because there's one ownership, but should we have another development that comes in with tight like that? Great one. Is that been a problem? Centro is under one ownership, so it's not really a problem. They're discharging on their own, but for example, full of our green put down spouts that tied back into street to specific street drainage. Are you gonna have property without gutters? Yeah. Which is the right would get the central and that is full of our green has gutters. They contain their water and run it back on their property to tie in. We just need to add. Great. Oh, yeah. I never liked that particular building style. They're actually built quite well. Yeah, so the blocker where property is getting so expensive. One of our favorite topics, accessory uses, pulls and generators in our side yards. This is where the commission would be able to take it out and look at the ordinance. Or no Or no, to specifically allow for the encroachment. We're getting around for the encroachment. Yeah, yeah. But if we take that out, then we don't have any actions. I know. Not a loop. Yeah, I know. No objections. I don't need you. We've also talked to some of our PDD neighborhoods too, as well, that are looking forward to maybe wrapping at the same time we do post one thing get those fixed in there as well. House or? With more groups, separate ordinances, do a research. We have to adjust the PDD used to allow. Correct, yes I'm sorry, yes. We adjust their PDD's to our standards. And that could be done in mass with one ordinance. Yep. All right. Would it be best served as an ordinance or if we change it to a one meeting item? I think either way, you're going to to speed up that process. But if the council and commission are agreeable to just blanket across the city allow for generator placements, poll equipments, pools within certain setbacks it's probably best just to go ahead and put it in the zoning documents. Properly worded with building setbacks and you like ease months and accessibility. Right. Some of these that we've taken on look at were the master bedroom of the next door was right next door there, one to put it in and stuff like that. If I was the person that had the master bedroom, You know, what kind of recourse could I have to block that from happening if we did it as an ordinance, you know, it's kind of up in the air. So what kind of checks and balance could we have for questionable light if we we I'm glad it's a good way of governing. The line of science is not a challenge because you've got to announce that school equipment is silent. It's a generator. Well, this generator is and that's, those would only run in the time of emergency. And you know, bring a valid plan. Because somebody may raise the issue right? It's once a week they kick on the phone. So Mark Hannon puts in a generic generator. And it's a whisper quiet. John Loves in, he puts in a generator. A brazen strap is extremely, like really difficult. If you just have generator, could that possibly be a problem? It's some kind of decimal. Just saying from complaints. Because I still have to say from the hurricanes. And you had the generacs. Don't want the other guy to strap this just blown it. You know, they don't have any lights or lights or lights or lights. dirt. That's why I don't have to. I'll tell you what, let us take a jacket out, take a look at that. Okay. We'll see. Yeah. And you had specifically pool equipment and generators, like the specific thing. Right. I thought they had a specific equipment. I don't see as a problem. The generator is. Okay. Well, that's what we could do is a permanently installed auto switch. That would eliminate some of like the predator or the ones that are 97 decibels. You know, the coer and the generac. Those aren't permanently installed, right? Well, I would think they would be. If we say permanently installed, then that would eliminate. That's a great. So many others to say that. Okay, so I know what we're looking for. Yeah. Good point. One other, let's see here. We've got five nine. Real easy. We'll just take this section out. City Council passed the storage unit ordinance several years ago that takes care of pods, shipping containers, storage containers. So that whole section can come out. Okay, so do we have a, we have a week, but four days, or an hour, that requires you, your residents are allowed to have one placed in their driveway for more than 30 days. 20 years. But this doesn't conflict. This it does conflict that is. Well, it's its own set of things. There's no. Yeah, there's no. Yeah. It's own set of rules and it doesn't really work for us. Yeah, I don't agree with that. I disagree with that. I love see-for-a-container for storage, but not in my neighborhood. Right. Yeah, good. Alright, thanks. I appreciate it. I know. Is there one on your driveway? So that will also prohibit building with these as well if somebody wanted to come in and get in our home. They can't build a home with one. Yeah. Nice, okay. Oh yeah, I'll turn them through on some problems. We have our own. their stack down there yeah they're having through hospital problems. We have their staff there. They're all over. Right here. Right now, the figure. Yeah. And also, right off of the one that wraps around to the woman's room. Is this the right place to address or humidity nose? So this, let's think about this. Right now, could I build a house and Chan-Doo that looks like a boot? Correct. You could as long as it met exterior. Right square footage. All in a setbacks. You could you could have a Cowboy hat to next to it if you like that concerned me Right off the country right Go Well wherever it wherever it is applicable in the United States, I think address that yeah, Jennifer thoughts I'm just finding it all very interesting Anybody built a cowboy boot house across from you? No, I'll let you find me that alone. And then we're in it out. Yeah. But in regards to House Bill 318, the one that says that the city can't stipulate stipulate what the exterior building material that y'all absolutely love and we propose a love that in our talking. What is left in and we still... Advice. We have armed twisting ways to convince people that they need the 80% and we have we've have given I mean we've said okay because it's 80% all over and you know okay the back forget it you can use something else so we've really we thought at first we're going to have a lot of problems with that. But it's turned out we really happened. Okay. Good. And in one last topic in chapter five, this wall, this odd articulation here in a support D. This has caused some issues for what, 13 years later when the IDC was adopted, was kind of no longer in style. So this is gonna require vertical articulation from the building every 25 feet of at least three feet on properties that are larger than 15,000 square feet. And so this is why you'll notice North-Storm-Rack maybe has a random canopy on the side of the building or on the elevation of the building to get that articulation. It's the style of buildings have changed and so do we want to require some sort of articulation on the front of technically front-sided or four sides of commercial buildings or do we want to remove this section and allow what problems other than weirdness as it caused I know anytime that you get outside of the norm that construction expense. Right, construction expense. And so we've, there's been creative ways around it, like the awning. The biggest feedback I've got is three feet a lot of protrusion on the building. Whether you do some sort of maybe, require, if we don't want to have just the front, the flush front facilities do some sort of maybe material change or some sort of visual change or something else that we can do other than requiring some sort of vertical change. The idea in that when it was developed was to when the development was taking off and not make it look like one solid. Yeah, to not have one solid like what we wanted to create a feel of upscale development. And that was what the consultant came in with. It was actually their recommendations, I recall. Looking back, it was probably something that we could have lived without. I think most of our developers have done that anywhere you take part in those papasitas. They see what we get and require because they want it to look very nice and upscale. Well, it doesn't make sense. You don't want to have just a great box. So there's got to be something else you can... I think we're probably guys have gone here Yeah, so we're thinking maybe some sort of still leaving some sort of Articulation requirement but maybe changing it not requiring the vertical offset of every 25 feet Three you see that that's real to change in the IDC for that piece correct. Yeah,. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's updating a little. Which is reasonable. Yeah, the concern, I think, is the three-footing. Yeah. You really have to have three. Right. If they do a material change every 25 feet or just add some sort of texture whether it's the new building going up on earth, you notice they've added they're stuck out of their break. They get that elevation, the breakups on there. Yeah, the big box look was like this. OK. Yes. Oh, yeah. So with. notice they've added their stuckle, but they've added their break. They get that elevation, the breakups on there. To get that thing. The big box look was like this. Okay. Yes. With the material changing also, that effect sound as well. So instead of it being live. Yeah. Okay. We'll look and see if there's some other language that can be added. What we would like to do is to make a change to D that is more I'm going to say subject in our so that as times change we can approve things you know what we're not spent that might come right to allow us to create it yes yes long as it had by Yeah, so to developers developing in Shenandoah That's right. To allow some creative. Yes. A lot of creative. Longs it and by as well. So to developers, developing in Shenandoah, bring their plans before you guys, and then you all have to look at it, and then at that time you could probably not the commission, but like staff level when we have pre-development, maybe you could kind of oversee it. Yes. And so you want any very answer or anything, then that comes up as one. Right. If they want to make that building, you know, they bring it in there. And what's the other thing? Something that went against that, you see, you call it your own illnesses, and they come to us for a day. So, subjective, so you kind of oversee that. And so, yeah. And they go back to this, with we've created and they administer. Jackie has most of them in our lives. Thank you, everybody. It's a former Manny Wampaita. She's fine. And they go back to this which we've created and they administer. Yeah. Jackie has most of them in our arms. Thank you, all right. Formerly anyone paid us. She's fine. It's quickly. She's easy. OK. I'm OK with it. Commission. Yeah, let's go. OK. 5.2L is a hour and a half. We're leaving that alone. We're leaving that alone. We're leaving that alone. I think we had three or four meetings on that very section. Is that it? That is all we do. All right. I want to compliment you. I think you've come up with some things that I wasn't aware of and I that it needed to be looked at again, especially while soft articulation. You know, you're at the front line. You'll drive around now and there is the drop in the air. Well, I'm not hearing the comments from developers about the difference in cost for a three-foot offset and the pain in the neck that's causing them so any time the children protrusion coming out of the building in the work and make perfect sense water issues door and door placement signage it's a trickle of that but the change of material like on that building that they're building that does make a difference it. It does make a difference. It's like just one solid thing that would be a huge image of it. It makes a huge difference. Look at Portofino, the way that they have in our different materials and stuff. Okay, there's nothing else. Let's move on to item nine. Consideration possible action to approve or deny that it's a February 18, regular meeting and the time zone. Mission yet time review those, NISO, are there any changes or correct just, just has chairman's students opening. It was cute. Oh. That's a treat to the minor thing. Final but important, so thank you for covering my absence. Also that was Miss Jennifer's first meeting, so Jennifer, I'd like to officially welcome you to be late at the planning zone commission. Okay, gotten acquainted with everyone. All right, then item 10, oh, we need both. We have a motion, that direction, second? Yes, motion to approve with the correction. Okay, a motion from Steve C to make the correction on the chairman for that meeting from myself to Mr. C Steve C. So I want all of those. Right. We had all the lawyers had a second from Mr. Hendon, discussionFC, seven of all of them. Right. Well, we had all the glows. Had a second from Mr. Hinden, any discussion? All those in favor? No. I should carry unanimously. Good night. Hi, I'm Tan, City Administration updates. I have just one. I sent a link out for a short order if anybody's interested in a city logo shirt. Just city has a budget. Feel free to take a look through those for a short order if anybody's interested in a city logo. Shirts, just sitting as a budget, they'll take a look through those and then, let you know. Just for you to be. Yeah. So we got that. So we got that. We got that. We got that. Should we all match? We tried that before, but it's difficult sometimes to do that with colors and stuff. You don't want to match with us. which really get a moment. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like get. So it's not going to work to have all the purple or all the, doesn't matter. Do we need a city shirt? You don't have to. It's just an option. It's budgeted every year. We get the commission's budgeted for a short year. It's good to have one. You know, if you get a city event. Yeah. It's something with a logo. budgeted for a short year. So if you'd like to have one you know if you got a city event. Yeah, it's something vlogger. It's gonna sit vlogger. Okay, so if you don't find anything in the catalog we could look at maybe ordering it and then we have a company that Oh, you're Sins City you get all shot Okay Thank you Jackie I have 11 commissioner inquiry We think I'd like to update the group a little bit Bill, have you talked about traffic study at all? So that y'all have ordered it and waiting for some of the greater Houston. So here's the deal. Going back to one of our public hearings we had some residents ask about a sound study for redevelopment zone and we have looked at what we think the effects will be with certain changes and so but we had not hired an engineering firm to do an official sound study. We've been looking back through some prior traffic counts and different things. So I have requested that council approve funds to do a traffic study along the development zone to include chendo drives, Savannah, Holly Hill, anything that could be used as a cutthroat. Also one that goes out to well on there to see the wood. Or, yeah, twist it. Yeah, twist it over by it. Twist it over. Twist it over. Mayor Watts is out. So any entrance or exit in Shandha. So that went to council. It grew legs and with some concerns of residents about speeding and increased traffic in the neighborhood. Council has created a committee to develop or accept the scope for the study and then report back to council. Council. So what's going to happen here pretty quickly, there's a committee that's being formed by the chairman of that committee, which is Mr. Summallon. He has chosen his committee members, which includes a group of residents, a council member and myself. Small committee, we're hoping to move pretty quickly. How many? I think there's five or six. I'm saying that correctly. We get a small committee. Anyway, I have told them that you know with planning zoning is held up with redevelopment zone decisions until we get this information and can use that. So anyway, we didn't want it to drag out if we needed to make it two separate projects for traffic in some of these other areas of concern, you know, maybe that was the route. So we think we could pull it all together. It's a good data set to have. We haven't done traffic studies in a number of years. I know we did some pretty extensively before the Curbin gutter project in the valley but you know there's been a lot of changes. Vision Park is one that desperately needs to be looked at with the backup and bottleneck there at I-45. Wellman Road has had a lot of development, so that's a busy street. Robins Mill over there is quite busy, so we're gonna recommend that there be some, you know, a number of data collection points around the city. Kind of nothing. So, anyway, so that's coming and so that's going to be formed and then we'll come back and have hopefully a good data set. So in addition to that, once we get the data, the engineers are going to do, make some assumptions on possibilities for the development zone of certain things that may potentially go in based on what we know and help us try to understand what traffic patterns make look like there. So, all part of the decision-making process. But we'll talk about that much more. We'll spend some time in that. Probably a meeting or two looking at those results. And, you know, is this enough day to do? We need more can we make a decision from it? So it's one make y'all aware of it. Since it's been a council agenda item, grew more legs than I was expecting, but I think it's a good thing to go ahead and do. Yeah. So all right. Bill anything? One crazy. There was a median on Rosen's mill for life and research. Yeah. Just an update on that. Hey, all right. Yeah. It was designed about by engineering to be a curve. Like this, to keep people that there in wrecks were perk people in the left lane which is strategy or straight to kind of the contractor built it like a rectangle and your county commissioner who's in charge of that when he saw it said he said, take it out. And so it's been taken out. I don't know. And I wonder what happened. I was driving him like, where'd it go? Cause my son, he goes, Mom, they put a thing right in the middle of the road. No, almost hit it. That is true. So I don't know if Commissioner Riley is going to replace it or not. Okay. I am told I am part of it as well. I am told is at least for now, the attention is to not replace it. Okay. It had several problems with not being built rent, including the square area. I think it was at entire northbound. You could tell somebody had already found it. Anyway, good question. We're at the return. Anything else, folks? Come again, it's rock before the search and you're going into Robinsville. It was just rock the little stretch. Anything else? We are adjourned.