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Before we start today, I want to just commemorate the fact that today is September 11th and that 23 years ago, 2,997 people got up and went to work, like they always do. 343 of them were firemen, 60 of them were police officers. They were moms and dads and sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, aunts and uncles, love ones all. And they went to work just to do their regular jobs and they never came home that night. I just want to say at least one name and today I'm going to say the name of Michelle Lanza. I actually knew Michelle. She went to my church with me. She perished on September 11th. So I'm going to ask for a moment of silence for Michelle and all of the victims, not just of that day, but the people who have died as a result of that day from all the other fallout from 9-11. So if we can have a moment of silence. I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. We are now going to do the pledge allegiance. A pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God in the visible liberty and justice draw. Okay, as a reminder to all members of the public, this evening you may sign up to speak on matters only that have been advertised for this public hearing. During the broadcast delay, any member of the public who are, if you're not in the board, moving them you wish to address the board on items number one, two, three, four, and five, which are on the consolidated agenda. Please see the numbers scrolling across your screen at this time. Any member of the public, if you signed up to speak, you would be allowed to allow it two and a half minutes. If you're in the board room, we ask that when your name is called, please come to the podium closest to you. State your name for the record. If you'd like to tell us where you live, you can do that as well, at least with district you live in. The timer on the podium will indicate your remaining time when your time is up. I will ask you to kneel to floor to the next speaker. If you are providing your comments via telephone, you cannot see virtually the timer. I'm going to ask that you keep your time yourself on your own stopwatch or device, and that is because when you get to two minutes, I'm not going to stop you because it interrupts your flow, but your time's up, I will stop you. So if you can monitor your own time, I'd appreciate that. When taking input for items, I will first ask if there's anyone in the board room wishing to speak. And then I will go to the moderator to ask if there's anyone wants to speak and then I will go to the moderator to ask if there's anyone via what's the speak online. Please note that there's a slight delay between the broadcast and the board room. There's even a moderator. Is Lisa Kennes? Lisa, can you hear me? Lisa, can you hear me? Good evening, Chair Randall. Yes, I can hear you. Thanks so much. I appreciate that. Supervisors, I need to suspend the rules to take us to a very short closed session. And when I say very short, I mean, no kitten like five minutes, I have some information that I need to impart to all of you at the same time. Because you know, that's just, I'm doing things one by one by one creates confusion and I hate confusion So calling you all individually is so so I'm gonna ask to suspend the rules For tonight so we can do a very quick close session so I can give you some information on collective bargaining I make that that is a motion Motion made is second bus of bicksman discussion on the motion. All and people who say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Thanks so much. And we'll probably do that when we oh I'm sorry that motion will pass. You know you know well 801 Mr. Kirschner is going to probably be here a little late to this evening. We're probably to the closed session at dinner because it's so quick that we don't need to wait to the end of the meeting. We will be in and out there really quick. The board will hear the consolidated hearing. I'm done with the consolidated hearing. As a reminder, these items are being consolidated because there are no outstanding issues. Staff has recommended approval. The applicant has weighed the presentation time and though public speakers are registered issues staff has recommended approval. The applicant has weighed the presentation time, and the public speakers are registered in advance to speak to the board. I will make the motions for county-wide items. I will also make the motion for the Kentucky item, and then we have a Leedsburg item and a little river item. I will go to those supervisors for those motions. Item number one is a member of chapter 1416 of the codified ones the loud and county grants are loans for rental property and certain owner Occupied properties number two affordable dwelling unit program Improvements through amendments to chapter 1450 of the codified ordinance of loud and county and the housing trust fund against the county wide issue Number three SPA SPA X fund against the county wide issue number three SPX, 2023, that's 0003, Cross Trails, Industrial Park, that is in Leedsburg. Number four, LEGY 2024 through 0002, Renewal and I'm sorry, review and renewal modification or termination of the new Levit's field, agricultural and forest district. That is in the Kentucky district and five is the ledgy 2024 that C-003, renewal review and renewal modification. Our termination of the new Mountville Agricultural and Forestry district that is in the little river district. Are there any members of the public wishing to speak to the board on any items on this hearing agenda. Seeing none, Lisa is anybody on the phone who would like to speak to us. Chair Randall, no there is not. Wonderful. Seeing none, I will close the catalytic agenda and we will go to the motion sheets. I will make the first motion. I am number one. I'm with the Board of Supervisors approved motion to be for the approval of the amendments to chapter 1416 as provided in the September 11, 2024. Public hearing item number one staff report. Motion is made in second. Supervisors say in discussion on the motion. Seeing none, I'll pick the say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 801, number two. I'm with the board of supervisors approved motion 2B for the approval of the amendments of chapter 1450. As provided in September 11, 2024, public hearing item number two, supplemental staff report. Motion's made in second. The supervisor, vicechair Bricksman, discussion on that motion. Seeing none, all people say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass A01, item number three, supervisor from the Leedsburg District. I move that the Board of Supervisors approve motion to be for the approval of the subdivision exception is provided in the September 11th, 2024 public hearing item number three staff report. Motion may seem Mr. President last discussion on that item. Seeing none, I'm going to say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion passed 801. Item four, review. I move to the Board Supervisor Approved Motion to Be for the approval of the renewal as provided in the September 11, 2020 for... All right. I'm with the rest of the process approved motion to be for the approval of the renewal. It's provided in September 11, 2024. Public hearing item number four, staff report. Second. Motion was made in second. It's discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all people say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 801 and Mr. Croney for the little river district. I move that the board of supervisors approve motion to be for the approval of the renewal as provided in the September 11th, 2024 Public Hearing Item number five staff report. Second. Motion is made, segmented vice chair, Bricksman. Come here. Discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all people say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 801. And we want that everyone. Oh. It's true. OK. I just want to focus on the subject. Like the morning one day is from the position. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. Um. Supervisors. Let's go to item number six, which is in the Algonquin District. It's the Lakeview Center Plaza. With staff, please come to the Algonquin District. It's the Lakeview Center Plaza. Would staff please come to the table? I'm sorry, yeah, an applicant. Yes, thank you. I'm sorry, my apologies. And the applicant as well, thank you. Good evening, staff. Good evening, applicants. How are you doing today? Staff's doing well. Good. All right, we're ready when you are. I'm going to go to the next floor. All right. We're ready when you are. Is there a presentation on the side and we're just to report. It is okay. No, I say no. Yeah, I do. Okay. Good evening. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Allison. Okay, now I say no, yeah, I do. Okay, good evening. Thank you. Good evening. My name's Allison Britton with the Department of Planning and Zoning, and I'm here today to present Lake View Center Plaza. The subject property is about a two acre parcel located north of Route 7 on the southeast corner of Lake View Center Plaza and Riverside Parkway in the Algonquin Election District. This property is owned plan development research and development park and is located in the suburban policy area and the suburban mixed use place type. The subject property is currently vacant and surrounded by primarily commercial and office uses. The applicants requesting a special exception to allow an automobile service center pursuant to the 1972 Loudon County zoning ordinance. The proposal includes a fuel canopy with 12 fueling stations on the left side and a 3000 square foot convenience store with a 1,200 square foot car wash on the right side. Access is proposed off-lake view center on the left side. An automobile service station is an auto-oriented use and considered a complimentary use in the suburban mixed-use place type appropriate on the periphery of the existing commercial and office uses to serve nearby users. Staff recommend conditions related to architectural design, screening, exterior lighting, amenities, and bicycle and pedestrian facilities. The Planning Commission forwarded 5031 the application to the board with a recommendation of approval at the May public hearing and staff support board approval of the application subject to the conditions of approval. This application is consistent with the suburban mixed use play type as a complimentary use and appropriate on the periphery of this existing retail center. And with staff happy to answer any questions With some reasons that the solid agenda. Okay, miss Prickson Thank you Madam Chair. I had considered that but yeah Do we have a minimum requirement in our zoning ordinance for such service stations to have a certain number of electrical vehicle charging stations. There is not a requirement this application is under the 1972 zoning ordinance. So this one was grandfathered. Why is it under the 1972? There are some applications that are still, or some properties that are still subject to the 1972 zoning ordinance. The current zoning ordinance were peeled and replaced, the revised 1993 and the 1993 zoning ordinance. Is it in the route 28 tax district? It is. Okay. That would probably be why then. So they never did the switch over. Correct. Thank you for that, by the way. Okay. That's my only concern about this application, but then I'll also talk to the applicant about it. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else? All right. You all have 10 minutes. You can what's wrong? You're good? Oh, not yet not yet. I'll let you know when I will I will let you know when yeah, thank you You have 10 minutes. You can stay there and speak or you can come to the you come to the podium applicant. We are ready when you are Just waiting for them to pull up. Sure. So good evening, Madam Chair and members of the board. I want to thank you for the opportunity to present before you this evening. My name is Erin Swiss-Helm. I'm an attorney with Walsh Kaluigi here in Leesburg. I'm joined by Nick Georgeus, a polar who is the civil engineer for the program. And as I begin, I wanted to think Allison and the rest of the staff team for the collaboration that we had on this application. It's really lovely to come here with a positive staff recommendation this evening. Next slide, please. I think Allison did a really great job of explaining where this property is. It is within the Route 28 Taxing District. That is why it's still subject to the 1972 zoning ordinance. It is located within an existing commercial center and across the street from other retail uses including a bank, a Chick-fil-A, and a Taco Bell. Next slide, please. And as Allison noted, the 2019 General Plan designation property is a suburban mixed use playstep. Auto-oriented uses are recommended along the periphery of commercial developments and along major roadways or roadways that are primarily designed for car traffic and up pedestrian traffic. The plan does recommend amenities such as sidewalks, benches and bike racks, all of which we've committed to as part of this application. Next slide, please. Allison did a really great job of explaining what it is that we're asking for. A couple of things we've agreed to enhance supplemental plantings along the periphery of the parking and fueling area. Those shrubs will be 36 inches tall at minimum at the time of planting. FSM requires 30. We are also including pedestrian friendly and transit oriented commitments including sidewalks bike racks and seating proximate to the service station building itself and then the owner of the property Has committed to a bus stop easement along Riverside Parkway to aid in the extension of existing Service in the vicinity of the property Next slide, please. We've also agreed to onsite stormwater measures, including an LID and recycling of car wash water. We are also required to have an oral water separator pursuant to the FSM. We've agreed to lighting commitments that limit the height of light poles to 20 feet maximum and require all lighting to be cast downward and fully shielded. Two EV charging stations which are located at the bottom of the screen where you see them there. And then building design commitments that are consistent with the plan policy and the surrounding development. Next slide, please. These are just the building elevations. These are attached to the conditions of approval and we're required to develop in substantial conformance with them. As you can see, we are primarily a brick facade and keeping with what's surrounding, with board and baton accents on the Gable and significant glazing as part of the elevations as well. Next slide, please. We also wanted to show you the canopy and the canopy in proportion to the proposed building. As you can see, we are not in a position where the canopy is really overwhelming the existing building and we have carried forward the brick wraps on the support columns there. Next slide, please. I want to talk a little bit about electric vehicle charging. I understand that that is primarily why we are here today. There were two areas that we looked to add additional electric vehicle charging stations. The first is outlined in purple with an inset there. Each electric vehicle charging space requires a minimum of 23 feet to provide for the parking space and the additional 2 feet for the charging apparatus itself. So when we were looking to provide those additional spaces along the drive aisle running north to south, we ran into a situation where we would either have to cut into the 30 foot wide drive aisles or cut into the parking, the sidewalk. The reason that that drive aisle is 30 feet wide is because that is the loop for the tankers to come through and to drop fuel for refueling on the site. So reducing that wouldn't allow for appropriate traversing by that large of a vehicle. We also looked up in the area that's outlined in orange. So the area north of that is either constrained by storm water detention, which you see there, or an existing storm drain easement, which would prevent us from moving the development northward. And then if we were to try to extend further to the south there, our drive aisles are a minimum of 12 feet wide there, which is what the FSM recommends for drive aisles. So again, it's just site constraints. So just wanted to give an explanation. Next slide, please. So I just wanted to thank you again for your time in speaking with us this afternoon. I'm available to answer any questions that you might have about the application. Thank you so much, Ms. Berksman. Excuse me. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the presentation and thank you for meeting with me on this application. I don't know when was it a couple weeks ago, I guess. So at that meeting we did discuss perhaps having more EV charging stations. What you just can you go back to that side where they're talking about the site constraints, yeah, thank you. Did you look at anything else after we met any other options or possibilities for doing it? Yeah, we also looked at seeing if we could move things maybe east to west, but we again, because it's such a tight site, we ran into like building a parking setback constraints and part of the Part of the concern here too is making sure that we're as far away as we need to be from the fuel canopy for those things too So oh I see for like sparking or or anything like that. Oh interesting. Okay. Okay And then can you talk a little bit about the shared use path? for like sparking or anything like that. Oh, interesting. OK. OK. And then can you talk a little bit about the shared use path? Oh, sure. So please. Yeah. This is actually a good image for it. So along the left side of the property, you'll see that we're providing a sidewalk that connects all the way up to the existing sidewalk that's along the southern edge of Riverside Parkway. And then what about here? That's already in existence, ma'am. It's already there. It's already there. Do you recall how wide that is? I believe it's five feet. Only five feet. Okay. But I believe that's what this ETP calls for. Right. Okay. All right. Thank you. You would, you would, this close. I got in there. I got in there. That's all that matters. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation from staff and from the applicant. Yeah. I would piggyback off of Ms. Brisbane and, you know, I know you're our, uh, saying you're going to do too, but if, again, please just go back and look and see if there's any way to squeeze in one more or two more. Tell a little tale story. Um, it's coming, uh, traveling on our break and we got stranded overnight at 2.30 in the morning with a young one. So we had to make the decision to rent a vehicle. Luckily the rental car only had EVs left. So reluctantly we had to take a EV to drive six hours to get back home overnight with the young one. And it was my first time driving electric vehicle. And come to find out, you can only go so far on a charge. So a six hour drive gas, there'll be no problem. You can get wherever you are. But without any issue or as you stop, you fill up your tank or even half a tank, it's two minutes, three minutes, four minutes. We're going to stop four times to charge. One of the times when I was searching for a charging station, it pulled up, pulled into the station, but it wasn't completed from construction. So then we had to find another place. To charge, it takes about 35 to 40 minutes to charge your charge. And that's not even get to 100%. That's to get to 75 or 80% if you're down to say 10, 15% or whatever. Again, all new stuff to me, luckily, the first of my charge was a nice gentleman who walked me through the whole process to explain everything at a download three different apps to So to work them again Nubia at this those very very interesting so Reason why I bring that up is to show that we need to have more charging stations and We are in a high traffic high volume area where a lot of people are coming and going now I guess when you're tooling around town, maybe it's not as urgent or emergency when you're on the highway driving. But I can still imagine people still needing to have charges. And we don't have any charging stations around our area. So again, I implore you to please go back, look and see whatever you can do. To add at least one more to get to a three or two more to get the four would be awesome. And another question for you. How far is the next gas station from this location? Just slightly over a mile. It's to the west. It's the sheets that's further down Riverside Parkway. Okay right by the Lexington 7 I think. Yes and then the the stay-couse. Yes. Logan stay-couse I believe. Okay and then is for your pictures is this going to be a shell gas station or is that just a for show? That's the intended. It's going to be a shell. Yeah. Okay. All right thank you. Is it the turn now? attended. It's going to be shall. Yep. All right. Thank you. Are you still the turno? Yeah. Well, I guess we know why. It hurts the soul while they're test-level. In all the series this though, so I know we have these discussions around chargers and gas stations. But I have to question if there's any analysis that you guys have on the utilization. Because it never really made a lot of sense to me why you would need a lot of chargers at gas stations that serve essentially local traffic. Like along an interstate or along a big route that is a travel that makes perfect sense because people need them. But people who live and have an EV charge at home generally and then now we're adding them in different shopping centers and all that kind of stuff. And that's all fine. But, you know, we've got several of these in my neck of the woods. I don't see that they're really ever full. So I'm just curious if there's any usage analysis of this type of gas station specifically versus, you know, a rest area off a highway or something like that sure Well, I'll start then I might kick it over to Bob Brady who was stuck in traffic, but has joined us with capital petroleum So first we have a total of 19 parking spaces including our two handicapped spaces, so we're just over 10% for eb charging stations And Bob has better numbers on this than I do. But the most recent evidence shows that about 80 to 85% of people are charging their EVs at home. And yes, our experience is that at these more local in and out type of gas stations, you're seeing less EV usage. You know, it's not a sheet that has a six acre footprint where people are stopping to get MTOs, you know, stretch their legs. You know, we're not doing, you know, made to order food on this site. It's pure convenience items, prepackaged foods. You could grab a gallon of milk if you needed it. But we're not trying to compete with sheets or royal farm. Just to add what Aaron said, our business model at this location is basically a gas and go. It is not to compete with the sheets or the wawa or I forget the other one down the street royal farm. And they have a deep row of charging stations. We're not in the competitive market with EV. We do like it. We are a green company. We do want to grow where we can. But this particular footprint, where we operate, what you're going to find, and you'll see this if you ever go to a wildfire sheets, they're so busy, they make the sandwiches and everything. sheets. They're so busy they make the sandwiches and everything but those customers pull up at the pump where they pull into the head parking and then they go get their order done. So for us in this particular footprint if we actually use more spots for EV charging we will actually mitigate our turnover in car count for gas and go because that particular car will be there longer period of time and we don't really have a reason for that particular car or that person pedestrian occupant To come in and stay and stick around because they're gonna park at the Pumps and then they're going to go in so they're going to tie up the pumps are gonna tie up the Park parking spaces that are already allocated to us. So it will have a be a detriment to our tenant who will be in there because we don't operate then we have a tenant. So that gas and go model will change. So to your point, you actually have other locations that have around the corner large EV potential. Our footprint just does not allow us to do that and be profitable at that point. Our other concern is in that property line, we have an adjacent property which is a business development or was it four or five stories and then we have a hotel in there. And ideally that hotel knowing will likely probably put chargers in in the future and again will be a competitor for us where we will lose business The reality of it is if you ever go to a location nobody ever parks in the EV charging station parking spaces just by standard they actually charge however if you go into a handy people will pull into the Handi-Cat even though they're not handy cap. So those spaces that we allocate for EV, whatever it may be, when you look at the industry standard, people only use them for chargers. So those two spots that we have, nobody will pull in there based on the history of the industry. I can't explain it, but that's the way it works. And to Aaron's point, if we looked at EV at our location four or five years ago, there was a bigger demand to charge on site. But the Department of Energy is already allocated that now 80 to 85% will be charging at home and in this particular area it's going to be predominant in more residential than destination. So we have to be careful if we put any more, even if we could put any more based on zoning and building regulations that it would impede on the growth of the site as an operation in its whole. Thank you, Mr. Tukroni. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Chairman. And thanks for that explanation. So I'm wondering we received an email from a resident asking if you can do level three charging stations instead of level two because they're quick and it kind of matches with the gas and go model. Just to clarify Supervisor Tracone just so we're answering the appropriate question. The difference between level two and level three is the seat of the charge. Again, same concept. Even though it might be a little bit quicker, there's no reason for the consumer to hang out there for long periods of time. You're talking about 15 minutes, 10 minutes, and again, if we allocate more spots for EV charging, those particular spots. I'm just asking for a faster charging. Oh, and the two locations that we have. And do you have any options that you have? That's just going to, for us, it's just going to come down to a cross basis, whichever is more efficient, which we could look at. I can't say that we won't, but it's going to be on the vendor at that particular point what they will do to supply. It just matches with the model. People aren't going to win away around. So this is a faster charging level. We can look at that. We'll take a look and follow up with the board about what we find. Thank you. Future organizations, right? And your site is constrained. And you just can't get more there right yes okay guys Okay, we have once becaue on this issue on this item Natasha Gloucester are you you are here? How are you come to either podium, please? Good evening. Thank you for coming in good evening. Thank you for coming in. I am a resident in the area now, Gronk and I just don't understand why gas station needs to be there. In that vicinity there's five gas stations around and there's a shell station not too far from there and I'm just wondering why if it's two charging stations Why can't you add the two charging stations at the existing shell station? It's either expand that location that footprint versus putting a gas station in the that community there. It's already like now that the bridge has opened up in that area. We're getting a lot of high traffic. We're getting speeders come through people racing down that road. And I think that is just going to bring more traffic, which is really to me unnecessary. So, and that's all I have to say. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Ms. Brooksman, would you like to make a motion? Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. I move that the Board of Supervisors forward led you 2023-0066 Lakeview Center Plaza specs 2023-0009 to the October 16th, 2024 Board of Supervisors business meeting for action. Thank you. So I appreciate the discussion about the charging stations. I understand there probably aren't. Those spots would not be as profitable for you in general. And then the additional two spots would not be as profitable for you if you were to add charging stations. I think it's a worthy conversation because to me it's a kind of a chicken and the egg thing. I see more and more Teslas around this community every day. I feel like at this point, almost every other car is like a Tesla, which I don't know what that says about our community. But I have to believe that if they were the really quick charging stations, they might get a little bit more use, and they would be faster. So if there's any way we can think about it, I still would support it. Would like to see it. I will say for my constituent that this property, that these companies look at properties and do the analysis and decide that the demand is there. And this property could have been something much more less desirable. I'll just put it that way. And especially because it's in the route 28 tax district. And if you have some questions as to why I'm saying that I'm happy to discuss it with you further. But in general, I'm supportive of the application and I look forward to seeing you guys on the 16th. And maybe if we can squeeze in one more, maybe we can, but thank you very much. Is there any reason why we couldn't suspend the rules in the and passes tonight? We're we're fine with going to my god. I'm trying to help you out here We share his way. Okay. I want that to be a lesson for everybody and I'm getting the room never do that Try it there's a reason. Okay. All right. Fine. Anybody else wants to begin this item? Ms. Bricks, we made the motion. Mr. Sainte's second motion. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion passed 801. Thank you very much. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. Okay, the next item is in the dust. No, it's not. It's Goose Creek. It's Goose Creek item. Wow. How's everybody doing? Good, thank you. Good to see you, staff, everybody, when you. Good. See you staff are ready when you are. Do not like this. Just give me one second. Okay. Sorry, we're navigating the new system. So. You ready? Okay. We're ready when you are. Good evening. My name is Darby Meccaff with the Department of Planning and Zoning. I'm here tonight to present the new system. You ready? Okay, we're ready when you are. Good evening. My name is Darby Meccaf with the Department of Planning and Zoning. I'm here tonight to present the application for Goose Creek Village West. The subject property is 20 acres, west of Belmont Ridge Road, east of the Dulles Greenway, and north of Sikland Road in the Ashburn election district. The property is on office park under the Loudon County zoning ordinance. Goose Creek Village in which the property is located in has been designated as the super mix use place type. The applicant is requesting a zoning map amendment to rezone the site to R16 ADU Legacy Zoning District to permit 221 dwelling units, including a mixture of single family and multi-family units. I will note that applicant proposes 72 multi-family attached units exclusively as affordable housing units. The applicant is additionally requesting a special exception to reduce the minimum yard setbacks for all units, summarized on the screen. The applicant also proposes zoning modifications to development standards to include increases to heights, total number of units per single family building, fronting onto open space, and reduced setbacks from the from sickle and in the dull screen way. For reference, here is an annotated excerpt of the Applicants Concept Development Plan. The multifamily stacked units are located along Sikland Road in Purple. The AHE building is located in Red in Lambay B adjacent to Sikland Road and the Dole Screenway. The single family units are internal to the site in Brown and Yellow identified as small and large town homes. The posted staff report highlighted two issues for the board's consideration. For tonight's discussion, I want to focus attention on these two key policy issues. First, the staff has identified an issue to the unit size for single family attached units, which are only anticipated in this playstipe as small-lot single-family attached units. Staff note that these town homes are only envisioned for this play-type as small-lot units, and continues to recommend the majority of the town homes be the 16-foot wide units or decrease the size of the large town homes. The staff continues to identify issues for consideration with their proposed zoning modifications related to setbacks for major roadways. As a reminder, the zoning ordinance establishes criteria for approval of modifications including that modifications exceed the public purpose of existing regulations and that they do not primarily serve to maximize density. The Planning Commission recommended the applicant provide enhanced landscape buffering along Sikland Road. The applicant committed to this enhanced buffer, however staff continues to find these modifications, so not meet the criteria of approval. Staff acknowledges that the suburban mix use place type envisions compact, walkable development, reduced building setbacks can support that form of development when we are discussing setbacks from interior or less major roadways. Staff is generally supportive of board approval but recommend further consideration of issues outlined in the presentation this evening and the staff report. DTCI is present tonight as supporting staff and we are available to answer questions. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Turner, this is your district. I'll go to you first, sir. Thank you, ma'am chair. This is an extension of the original Goose Creek concept, correct? So this was always anticipated. Goose Creek Village was always anticipated. There is a section in here somewhere, I believe, where the front yard extends out to the midpoint of the joining road. Can you point that out to me and show me where that is? And are the residents aware of that? That their front yard goes out to the center line of highway? Or will they be? You want me to cover that in my presentation or just answer? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm disregard. Everything I just said, hold that and I'll get to you. I thought you were talking to the staff. I'll address that. Thank you very much. Yeah. You consider the screening that they put in at the request of the planning commission. What's your assessment of how effective that will be actually screening with the reduced setbacks? So the screening they enhance from 60 plant units per 100 linear feet to 72 plant units per 100 linear feet. I can get back to you on that in terms of analysis of that specifically. That's all right, that's all right. I just, if you knew off the top, you had that one have been fine. I don't have that. That's just the analysis. Is there any issue at all or has there been any discussion at all about lighting at the crosswalk intersection? No. should all or has there been any discussion all about lighting at the crosswalk intersection? No. Not traffic lights, overhead lights so people can see where they're going when they're walking on the sidewalk and the crosswalk. There has not. Okay. Thank you. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Latterino? Thanks. Yeah. The thing that stuck out for me is like this incredibly long list of Z-Mods here. Pretty significant on the yard buffer. It sounds like there might be an interesting story on one of them anyway, but has staff evaluated whether the ZMods are consistent on the yard buffer reductions are consistent with the new zoning ordinance, particularly like on the side yards. That was not part of our analysis. Okay. What can you do that? If this goes to a future meeting. I'm just curious because we spend a lot of time having this discussion over the appropriateness of buffer reductions and so on. And it's really hard to tell whether this would be compliant with the new zoning ordinance or if it's a reduction that goes beyond that. Okay, I think that's, oh, there's a loud and water, some sort of pumping station on this site. Is that correct? Or not on the site, but Jason to it. Or on the site but a Jason to it. We're on the site. On the property. It's on the property. Yes. Okay. How does that work with this? I mean that might end up being an applicant question. But I would defer to that. Okay. Specific question. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Crony. Yeah, thank you, Chair Randall. So this application is a smaller part of a larger rezoning, way back when, right? Did any of the applicants or did the applicant back then or at some time in the past did anybody contribute towards the expansion of sickland road in front of that larger property? Not in front of the specific subject property of tonight's application. Okay. But are there any proffers to expand sickland road? There is a proper related to a turn lane that the applicant is committed to for this subject property for this application, but not in terms of an expansion currently. Okay, thank you. Mr. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't know if you had a map in your presentation or not, but I'm reading sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. Is there anything approved in that OP zoning district or anything going to go in there that we know about? Not currently. Not currently that I'm aware of within that specific area. Okay. But what's by right in OP? By right in regards to what? What could be built there where they're eliminating the buffer. In general. In general, you're going to be looking at commercial uses in the OP district, but we can give you to get back to you quickly with some. Okay. Our data centers by right in the OP district. No. Okay. All right. Thank you. They would require respects. Under the new zoning ordinance. Correct. Right, okay, thank you. Can we go to slide nine? I don't understand anything on this slide. Step cannot determine if the purpose of the modification exceeds the public purpose of the existing regulation or is not otherwise being proposed to primarily maximize density on the site. I don't know what you guys were saying to me right there. Can you explain it to me like them? Those are the requirements written into the revised 93 ordinances. This is still being. So you haven't determined it yet? Because staff cannot determine is, the question is usually, is this just allowing a greater density or not? So in this case, it's not clearly obvious as it has been in some others that we put before you, so that's why this is kind of in between if we can't. We don't feel comfortable making a judgment call one way or the other based on the facts in front of us. From our analysis. Do you need to do more analysis or? No, I think it's a, okay, I put this basically a difference of opinion. They're seeking this, they're getting some density out of it. Is that the sole reason? the applicant has said no. We can't clearly say yes. So we're just raising it for the boards awareness. OK. Is that bullet connected to your bottom bullet removed or increased the reduced building set backs from cyclone road in the Dallas greenway? Yes. Oh. OK. Oh. OK. Believe it or not, now I understand. OK. Don't we think we want to determine these things before we can vote on them, though? I'd like to rely on staff for this information. It really helps you make my decisions. And so before we get to the place where I'm voting on this, if we can get closer to a determination or understanding for staff so you can assist me, I'd appreciate that. OK. All right, thank you. Good evening, everyone. How are you doing? Packing what you like to be for, you such a time introduced everybody, Ms. Crown, I'm sorry, and introduce everybody, and then you all can give your presentation. You have 10 minutes. Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much for the record. My name is Paqui Crown. I'm a planner with Fomon Consulting. Also with me tonight is Matt Leslie. Also with Fomon, John Pultanino, who is representing the owner of the property tonight. And Don Knutson, who is the builder that we've been working with throughout the entire project, to bring this to you tonight. And he's involved in this project as well. Supervisors, I would need to go back and check my campaign finance reports from last year. If I am not mistaken, Mr. Knudson might have given me a contribution. No. You didn't know. Why not? Okay. Okay. Okay. Thanks. I wasn't sure actually. I wasn't sure. If it was, it was going to wasn't sure actually. I wasn't sure. If it was, it was gonna be fairly small pieces. I couldn't be remembered. So, okay. All right. Thank you. All right. We're ready when you are. They are. You've been saying it. It's been under you. So are you all controlling slads tonight or do I get the clicker. The clicker would be great. Well, no, but that's okay. Thank you. Next slide. All right. Thank you very much. I will, I think through my presentation, we will be able to address the comments and the questions that you've raised so far. And then, of course, any other questions as we go through it. As Mr. Metcalf said, this is an application to rezone 20 acres of a 34 acre parcel that is owned PDOP to the R16 ADU Legacy District. So we're under the revised 1993 ordinance. We've been in the process almost three years on this project. The property is designated for suburban mixed use place type next slide. We had several objectives when we started this. Key objectives. One of them was to complete the Goose Creek Village community. This property was re-zoned back in 2008 and has been under development ever since then. We wanted to exceed the county's goal of providing 20% of a project as attainable units. This project delivers 33% of the project as affordable. And then we wanted to also provide for a diversity of product type and sizes to address not just the rental component of the ADU attainable housing, but also to address the smaller unit that has not typically been constructed in Loudon. And so we are proposing 16-foot wide and 20-foot wide units and stacked units. I'll talk about that in a little bit more detail later. But the area that we're talking about here is outlined in pink on your screen. One thing I want to point out to you in the original rezoning, this area also then had a further constraint of a limits of disturbance that could be used for development on this parcel. So the area that we have been working with, and in which you see the development proposed, is within the limits of disturbance that was approved with the original resigning in 2008. Next slide. The project in 2008 was proposed as an urban design concept. It was one of, you know, a few projects back then that the county was presented. It has a mix of uses north of Ciccolon Road, our residential units, a mix of residential units, two over two's and town houses, at a little over 11 units to the acre. Just between Ciccolon Road and the residential area is the Goose Creek Village Commercial Center. It has been a very successful center in this area. Just to the south, continuing south, some of you will remember that we came in and converted suburban style OP zoning to PDMUB, area that's century corner and that's where we have developed vertically mixed buildings along Siklin and along Belmont Ridge Road. There are five-story apartment buildings there and vertically mixed buildings along the frontage of Siklin Road. That area will also be built out with a continuing care facility or high-rise building complex in this project. It also has office buildings. There is an existing office building there today. There are two churches. There's a day care center. There's an amphitheater that is operational now and the Park and Ride Lot that has bus service, bus transit service, that bus transit service has been there for 10 years that provides bus transit to the Metro stations. And then continuing around along the green way side of the and south of Sicolin, our additional residential units, Hyrogensie residential units, and then that brings us to this final site in Goose Creek. We're excited about this because by bringing this in, not only are we providing the type of units that the county has proposed and has as a goal, but we're providing additional ADUs. One thing I'd like to point out for the board, even though this project has not been subject to some of the ADU ordinance requirements, overall, if this project gets approved, 10% of the overall project will be 80 years, and 72 of those will be in this project. Now, the other thing I want to point out here, you know, with the design, the design was to have the units and the buildings sitting up on the street. So all of you, I know Travel Cycle Unroad quite often. You've noticed that there's on street parking. The buildings are close to the street edge. And so the modifications that we've requested with this application mirror the modifications that have been approved in the other sections of Goose Creek Village. We have a robust pedestrian connectivity system and Goose Creek Village. Forty percent of this property is open space. The area that's light green to the east, this is one of the questions I think Ms. Tachroni asked or someone what is the area between into the east. That's open space. It's east open space and will be permanent. So that is not included in this area. The area along the creek is 11 acres. I'm talking about on the other side between the existing residential units and then that is open space that was dedicated from the Goose Creek Village and there was an 11 acre parcel along Goose Creek Village dedicated by the McAlphys in this project as well. So we, let me go forward, next slide. Darby pointed out what the distribution of our product is here, but the Adelaide Tech building is located long sickle and road south of our entrance north would be the two over twos and then we have our smaller townhouses beyond that. As you all know this property, the sickle and road is the high point and it falls down to the creek. So we've had a design challenge here of taking up great as we provide our different types of units here. Next slide. 61% of the units that are proposed here will be under 2000 square feet. That includes 16th of wide units, all of them under 2000 square feet. The lower levels of the two over twos will be under 2000 square feet. And we have profit that, you know, have various profits, but 35% in the townhomes will be less than 2000 square feet, 42% of the for sale products. So you include the two over twos into that. We have 61% and 33% of this project is ADUs. Next slide. We've really concentrated and with the planning commission did a lot of work on the open space and active recreation areas. We have six active recreation areas for this project. Most of them centrally located within the development, so you can see them kind of outlined in white. And then there will be trails that go down to the lower level, and that is to be a hardscape court. One of the board planning commissioners suggested it. We add that, so we did. But it will be buffered by a tree, a reforestation area. We have two other tree conservation areas. And then eventually the trail that will go down to the creek. Next slide. Go ahead and skip forward. This addresses the setback issue. There are setbacks along Cicolain and the Greenway. What you see in Green are the areas that we have proposed to reduce. They mirror what's on the south side of Cicolain, and we're approved for the south side of Cicolain. What you see in purple, the light purple there would be the impact of this on the project if we were to provide the full setbacks there. We have enhanced the landscape buffer along Sicolin road beyond what was approved and is being installed throughout the rest of the project. So this will have an enhanced type 2 and it will have hard-skate features incorporated as well. Next slide. Yes. I'm sorry, your time is up. I know. That was trying to keep me on to track. Thank you very much. I'll answer questions. Thank you. Appreciate that.'ll answer questions. Thank you. Appreciate that, Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. So everything I said before, where are the front yards that extend out into the roadway? Is that along Ciclin or is that along the back road by the Goose Creek property? No, we have one area that is along the screen north. We have 16-foot wide townhouses there, and our lots go to the center line of the alley, but behind it. Okay. And it's not a public street. It's an alley that serves those units. That's what that is. Okay. Can I get, I'm just a good map. There's nothing in the proffers I don't think about street lighting here on this intersection. Not traffic lights. What I'm concerned about is even if we have the crosswalk there, it's black at night. Can we get some kind of street lighting or overhead lights to light the crosswalk? Yeah. Can we do that? John. Supervisor Turner, I just messaged Bob Brown of J2 engineering and he can confirm that FSM actually requires one and possibly two street lights. We have already done this along Cyclone Road at the other intersections and we actually used some fairly good looking street lights from Italy, which I think we would like to do here as well. And I'm sure that in the landscape beds along the buildings there could possibly be exit lighting as well. Okay, thank you. I'm a big proponent of Italian street lights And you're profaring I want to say $45,000 for the crosswalk in loop It's 47 and that's if V dot doesn't approve a high visibility crosswalk there Do we know what kind of if there will be any traffic control features at the crosswalk? Because it's just a painted crosswalk. No, it will be controls as well. So it's a push button. If you want to cross, you can go ahead and be a cross. It would be a push button flashing beacons on it. Okay, good. Crosswalk and our preliminary analysis shows that we're fairly confident V.I. should approve that. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Latterno. Thank you. So are there units in the community now that front on sickle with that kind of setback? Yes, there are. Where are they? I'm looking at the map. Darby, can you get to the next slide? I think it's probably on that there we go. The ones on your screen right are the existing units today. Those are the existing units today? Those are the van meter two of a sudden. Is that on the other side of the street? Yeah, that's what it is. The county system doesn't show them bill yet. Yeah. And those are frontage, front doors to the, and these are the, are these the type of two over twos? They look like two over twos. There are, we've mirrored them across the street now. I see. OK. What about the water pump? If we can go back to RB2, the overall slide, then yeah. Yeah, you can see it there. The loud water pumping station you can see on this screen here is located headed to your screen left in that kind of top triangle beyond the landscaping area. The access road to that comes off of Verskin Terrace and winds around. It is not a part of this project. Does that make any noise or anything? No. No. No. Okay. So it's just just going to be there and I'll just continue. Right. Yeah it's also a lower it's at a lower elevation than the proposed units and the existing units I've lived in this community for several years and I've walked by that pumping station I've never heard a peak out of it. Okay. Has there was there a public outreach to the Goose Creek Village? Yes. We had community and I'll be back. We had two meetings with the Goose Creek community. We had one with the HOA Board of Directors and then another with the broader community. We actually sent out, in addition to communicating with the HOA about inviting people to that community meeting, we actually sent mailed letters to all of the units that are immediately adjacent to where this project would be and had fairly good attendance at that meeting. That was like, you know, 2025 people, which for that community having served as the HWA President when nobody showed up to our HWA meetings, 15 to 20 felt good. So, and was well received and we actually reached out to the H.A. President again, ahead of this meeting, just to make sure that they felt like all of their concerns had been answered and that they didn't need another meeting. And they said that they were all good to thumbs up. So. OK. And in addition to that, Mr. Paltanino has met and talked with the Goose Creek Senior Advisory Committee over the last couple of years. I mean, this project, the closest building in this development to Goose Creek will be about 870 feet back from Goose Creek. So we're well, well back, but we did talk with them as well. Ms. Gless. Thank you Madam Chair and thank you for the presentation. What is the H.O.A. structure in this community and are there sub-associations, residents will be paying into? There is a master association for all of Goose Creek Village and then yes there will be sub-associations in this area as well. Could you tell me, do you know what the HOA fee is for the master association that the residents will be required to pay in to? I don't know that. No we haven't calculated that number yet. Typically the way it'll be set up is there's a master association, the town homes, and then the two over two's will have a sub association. So I think probably in the $125 for the master, and then the typical two over two number would be $275, some number like that perhaps. And then there's also a very small amount for the overall, excuse me, overall goose creek, which I think is roughly $10 a month. Okay, thank you. Mr. Croni. Thank you, Chair Randall, and thank you for the presentation. So I do see that the 15-foot set pack mirrors what you've got approved in Goose Creek Village on the other side of Sikland. Given that we know there's going to be an expansion there, do you think your enhanced buffer type 2 will sufficiently offset the impacts of the planned future expansion of cyclone road? Yes, we do. The ultimate right-of-way dedication has already taken place. It's already been made. In addition to that, even the easements, the construction easements were provided for in the deed for the Sikland Road dedication. So we do believe that the design that we have for this project will be actually more adequate than what we have on the other side, but we felt like that was going to be adequate too. Okay. Thank you. And then also I notice that 65% of your single family attached units are those large town homes up to 2007 under square feet. You mentioned that a large portion of this development will be under 2000 square feet. So I assume it's not the SFA units that maybe you can describe what are going to be under the 2000 square feet. All of the 16 foot wide SFA's are under 2000 square feet. Okay, but most of them are the large, right? And yes, and then we have majority are the large and then we've got the first floor of the first unit, the lower unit of the two over two's are all under 2000 square feet as well. We have 103 townhomes and 40 of them will be 16 foot wide so it's about 40 percent of our townhomes will be the 16 foot wide townhomes. Okay I know staff had asked if you'd be willing to decrease the size of the large townhomes to 20, 600 square feet to be more consistent with the place type. What we've tried to do here, and I'm going to defer to Mr. Canute to the next. Well, actually, yeah. I think large is a little bit of a misnomer. We shouldn't have used that term. Derby last time we were together. I think the average size of a town home in Loudoun County is roughly 2600 square feet. So we really view them as small and medium. And so the 16 foot townhomes, which I think top out at 1925 square feet, those will be the smallest four sale fee simple product offering in Loudoun today. I'm actually building 16 foot townhomes in one location and I built them in a number of other locations already. 98% of the product type that's townhomes today that's offered in Loudon is greater than 2000 square feet. So I think we really tried to go after this product diversity with these small townhomes, which are a new product offering. They're not readily available to address, I think, a segment of the market that perhaps is being overlooked. So we're feeling like we're small and medium and then complemented by this 33% ADU or AHU component, you know, fully one third of the product. Okay, thank you. So if I might add, Supervisor Tukroni, the 60% is including the multi-family units in its total percentage, and staff is recommending the one option of being of 50% of a recommendation would be of the small, SFFA units be of the smaller size. Yeah. And additionally in terms of Siklin Road Buildouts, Supervisor, Presckman, I also have DCCI available for questions. You must go back to them. Mr. Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair. So when you say small size town homes, those are going to be market rate, correct? Yes, sir. And so what are the prices going to be for that? I would say, you know, based on what I'm doing today in the low 600s. And I guess to put that in perspective, we know that 20-foot town homes are far in excess of that. And so our goal was to offer a smaller product, but still offer two car garage, three bedroom, two and a half bath, and all those features associated. So I would say in the low 600s. OK. Is there any way, are you probably to know the answer? Is there any way your profit to come down a little bit lower than 600 K? Because I think we all can agree that's not truly affordable. I think when we envisioned this project in terms of addressing affordability, we were addressing affordability through our multi-family attached lie-tech building, and we felt like providing 33% of all of our units as price controlled. What affordable units was far and excessive county policy. And we thought that that was a good faith effort to address the county's goals. The unadmet now housing needs strategic plan are desire to provide smaller units in terms of what is generally provided in the market today is certainly not going to provide any sort of price controls on those units but you know it is all everything is relative and so in relation to what could have been built is certainly smaller and cheaper. Well I appreciate the the commentary Mr. Leslie but again 600k is, we can, that's not affordable. And then regards to the light tech. Just in case I'm assuming you guys did this say the funding doesn't go through, do you have a backup plan to keep those. So the wait yes. We do the the proper is written in a way that we specifically carved it out so that if it doesn't get approved, the funding doesn't get approved, we would have to come back through for his ECPA number one. Number two, we have a proper that 80 use in accordance with the county's ordinance would be distributed throughout the rest of the community. Very good. It's good to hear we have a backup just in case. Yes, we did. Even I know that's far in between that it doesn't happen with the funding, but good. Thank you. You're welcome. Ms. Berksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. Some of my questions were answered. But the two over two's are going to be condos, correct? Yes. Yes. Yes. So hence that's the 275 monthly fee that you were talking about for the condos. Okay. And then do you know who owns the easement to the north and around in that bright green, that light green? Do you know who owns it? So it depends on the easement. The stormwater easements and the conservation easements are to the benefit of the county and then loud and water also has their own easement for access to the- It's a county conservation easement over the stormwater management areas. Yes. Oh, interesting. So we could put trails there. No. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for that. Could you show the amenities that one slide that had the amenities like the court and the slide seven? Or that slide that works as well? There you go. OK, that's actually really nice. Yeah, that's on to them. I mean, that is really nice green open space. I mean, this is a good application. In talking about amenities, though, we did have a discussion about whether they would be able to be included in the Goose Creek HOA to access those amenities as well. I understand you had a conversation. Yeah, so we had a conversation with both Goose Creek Village north, which is the HOA for the stuff up screen from us. Goose Creek Village north, which is the HAW for the stuff up screen from us and then Goose Creek Village east, which is across SICLIN. Both of those HAWAs have indicated to us that they would be willing to discuss about offering paid memberships to their pools since they both have club houses and pools in their development. Okay, all right. That's really good to hear. And then is this the original density, or did you come down and density from the original plan? This is the original density. It is 11 versus 16, because you're going to R16, but you're really only at 11. Well, we did R16 because we are doing two different product types here, and that's the district that allows us to do that. Oh, interesting. Okay, okay. I learned something. the district that allows us to do that. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's one of the quirks of the zoning ordinance. Okay. All right. The old ordinance. And I'm just going to need all my neighbor here, but the multi-purpose court will do you know what's going to be on it? Well, we said hard surface court, but we said it can be used for pickleball. It can be used for pickleball, it can be used for multi-purpose, it can be excellent. It can be used for anything that's permitted by the definition of active wreck in the zoning ordinance. Okay. Thank you. But we did put it there because pickleball we understand can be pretty annoying to say pickleball one more time. I know it's way over there. That's good, it's way over there. Yeah. So I don't think it's realistic to ask you to make 103 single-family attach units, put them at a lower price point. I do think though, I will ask the questions, is it possible to make any of those 1, 2, 5 attainable single-family attach unit? I ask that because the single-family attachants one, two, five attainable single family attached unit. I asked that because the single family attachments are for sale, correct? They are. And as I said before, you create generation of wealth by having property. And so to say, let's take 103 of them for a million price point, you know, That's, but I would say, would you, could two or three be placed in a attainable space? Whether that attainable space is 60%, 70% AMI? That is a question I will ask. You don't have to ask for that question right now, because we won't be passing this tonight. We're going to send this somewhere else. But that is a question I'm going to. That's a question. My second question is, well, two more questions. Of the ADUs that are, I mean, of the ones of the light tech building that are ADUs, what is the AMI on that? Where's that AMI sitting? Because- 60% of AMI. And we have a profit. All of them the whole building is 60%. We have a profit for a minimum of 5% to be zero to 30%. AMI and then the balance of them would be up to 60%. It's not all of them have to be 60%. It would be up to. Up to 5%. It can be equal to 30%. A minimum of 5%. A minimum of 5%. All right. And then after that, they would be 60% of AMI. Okay. And then the last question is you said you have 40% of the property is open space. Open space is kind of a weird word sometime because the open space can include areas. It's not really usable, right? It's not really, it's not always usable. So it's kind of a, it can be a little bit of a fungible word. When you say 40% is open space, show me the 40% is open space so I can know it's usable because sometimes people want to count things like the curb in open space. So what are you calling, what are you all calling open space on here? On the map that you have right here, talk to me about the map that's on the screen. Well let's go back to slide 4. So this slide depicts the areas that are counted as open space. It does not include anything that is just a perimeter buffer unless it is. Go back to the slide that was up there because I can't see it. I can't see it. Oh, okay. So go back to us. I hear you just left Mr. Sames. That's much more helpful. Okay. That's a much more helpful slide. Just in this project, so the project boundaries are outlined in the white, you know, dashed line. You kind of see where the yellow circle is. Yeah. Follow that line around. So that is the 20 acres. Of the 20 acres just with this project, nine acres of it is open space. And of that nine acres, almost all of that is usable in space. All right. And that's what I'm seeing on here too. Right. So then continue to your screen left. Screen left is, I didn't have time to talk about this. But we've offered a contribution to the county for a trail extension down to the creek when the county, at some point, constructs the linear trail. That's 11 acres that the can't that the owner under the original application dedicated to the county. It's under VOF easement just like the area on the other side of the greenway. So that will have a connection down to that. All of the trails and sidewalks on this project will have be under public access easements. And so that's the other key, I think, component of this that is, it kind of gets overlooked. But until this project gets proved and developed, there's no access to the creek right now and into this area. All right. I just want to add just for the record that the suburban makes use place type calls for 10% of the place type to be open space and at 40% or four times the recommendation of the 2019 general plan on open space. And just about all that's usable. So thank you. Good answer. We have one speaker on this item. It is the O's Dhamanas. Mr. Dhamanas, please come to the podium. Good evening, sir. Good evening, Madam Chair. Members of the board, my name is Theo Stamadas, loud and county Chamber of Commerce. On behalf of nearly 1100 employers that are allowed in Chamber of Members, we'd like to express our thoughts on the Cruz Creek Village West application. That is now subject for review by this board. From one of the decade, the Chamber's made the issue of attainable workforce housing atop public policy priority. The Chamber has successfully advocated for policy changes many of those adopted by this board to address and provide greater affordability and diversity of housing options for our workforce at all income levels. On the subject of this application, I'm happy to convey our appreciation for the applicant's commitment to significantly add to laden's inventory of attainable housing units. The Goose Creek Village West application presents an opportunity to have a positive significant impact on this area of critical need here in Loudon. As proposed, this application promises to deliver what the Loudon Chamber has previously advocated for, innovative housing solutions to address the county's unmet housing needs by providing a range of unit sizes and types both rental and for sale. With 33% of total units being attainable for those making 60% AMI, this project meets the county's affordability needs and exceeds the ambitious milestones of Latin's unmet housing needs plan. In addition, 61% of the total units in the application are under 2000 square feet, which will increase first time home buyer options and deliver more innovative attainable housing solutions for our workforce at all income levels. Thank you Madam Chair. I want to take the next 43 seconds and just say that the application before you today, the idea of it was started at a loud and chamber event. Your chamber is a testament to fostering in that growth in that advocacy and we're willing and always we'll be willing to work with the with you Madam Chair this board or staff plenty commission of course our business community Ready to help advocate for more attainable workforce housing I'm gonna call Tony Howard and tell him to give you a raise You'll back to Thank you very much Mr. Turner was like to make a motion? Madam Chair, I move the Board of Supervisors for the Legendary 2023 0038 Goose Creek Village West, ZMAP 202020013, specs 202020034, ZMOD 202020046, Is the mod 2020-0047. Is the mod 2020-0048. Zmod 2020-0049. Zmod 2020-0030-0030. Zmod 2020-00404. We can go to closed session now. Zmod 2020-0045. Zmod 2020-0047 to the October 16, 2024 Board of Supervisors Business Meeting for Action. Second. I'll give that to Ms. Glass. I would just like to ask the applicant, would you prefer the October 2 meeting to the October 16 meeting? I can amend this very quickly. Okay. I learned and I would always love to do something sooner rather than later. I do not know what the agenda is doing on these days and so we're going to leave it where it's at because I would need to check the agenda to see how. Okay, my chief staff is going to kill me but I'm going to make a joke. Is it possible for us to proper out pickle ball courts? I'll say it. So did I get a second? I don't know. Yeah, it's closed. That's all I have. Thank you. All I would say is that this is a good application overall. And I know we should say that when it is. And so I'm overall very happy with this application. There is no way that I'm not going to always ask for something attainable for purchase. You do have 33% of ADUs, but zero of that is for purchase. And it would be remiss of me not to ask when I know that we're trying to see people be able to get into homes and not just to get into rentals. And I do realize that that question does come with some loss. And so I'm not asking that kind of without that knowledge, because I understand the knowledge. But when we talk about our, um, and housing needs, our, um, and housing need is not just for rentals. It is for purchased units as well. And so that is something I would like you to consider one of those single family attached to be an attainable unit as well. So, as you're between now and when you come back, I'd like to, you to take that and think that one over some. Okay, thank you. All right, motion is made by the supervisor Turner. Seconded by the supervisor glass. I'll give you say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass six, I mean, sorry, 9 to 0. So by the way, if you don't mind, I'm going to change the agenda just a bit because the last item has speakers. And the one before that does not. And so if possible, I'd like to get speakers out of the room just a little quick. And so if staff is all in the room for the Greenland Park application, then they end the room because if not, we can go on and just do the, do it. I'm sure he's running down the stairs now. He's upstairs in the room because if not, we can go on and just do it. I'm sure he's running down the stairs now. He's upstairs in the moment. I'm sorry. It just gets us there a little faster and gets people out the room a little faster. My apologies to Amar Shant. This is how he gets his exercise though. So we'll give him a second to arrive. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next one. Or are you? Good evening. So the interesting thing for the last time this happened to me, Charles Judd was my boss, and I was not allowed to leave the room ever again. So, I come full circle. And the webcast is about a minute behind. So I didn't know how to talk. I'm sorry, I am sorry. And I was only asked like four times. You're going to change the agenda. And I said no each time. But I looked at them. It's like there's a lot of people speaking on this item. So thank you very much. And you're not breathing hard at them. It's like there's a lot of people speaking on this item. So Thank you very much and you're not breathing hard at all Everybody so Greenland Park It's an 80 acre parcel South of Leesburg Boarded by the Delta screenway in sickland road. Well, well, well, South of the town of Leesburg in the Leedsburg district I just said town of Leedsburg. Yeah, okay. In the center, okay. Gotcha, my bad. So, is within the transition policy area, this is designated the transition light, transition light industrial place type, it's proposal for data center development. Specifically, the proposal to rezone those those eight that acreage from TR10 and JLMA-20 to the IP zoning district. This project limits the development to data center use and utilities some station use only. This is the concept development plan. Generally it's a building envelope. You'll see in the dash line, substation to the upper left of your screen. There is an overhead power line that borders the screenway. Borders of site comes up along the west side. You see some environmental features on the west side of the left side of the screen along Ciclin Creek that are preserved by this application. So some general points to be said before we get into some of the details we'd like to board to look at. The property is predominantly when the transition policy area is designated as we mentioned transition light industrial play site. The county envisions compact development in the TPA through low profile construction and extensive use of natural open space to minimize visual intrusion of the built environment into the natural environment. Specific to the transition light and natural place type, 29GTP anticipates an environment dominated by open space of established forests or thickly vegetated buffers that screen such uses from roads in adjacent development. In this case, this property is bounded by three roads, Sikland Road, a dollars greenway and Srieve Mill Road. The transitional light industrial play site is anticipated to develop with a range of low industrial, both traffic and industrial employment uses. In course uses include light production, flex and space and contractor services and data centers such as the use as proposed this evening. It's a creative floor area for this place type is .6 and building heights between one and three stories. So the IP district proposed implements multiple playstypes. Each of these playstypes have distinguishing design characteristics. One of which is number of stories. The staff has consistently applied the number of stories on the height of a story as 12 feet. There's only, there's in our eastern place types we have a specific height designated of 12 feet. A lot of there are place types that we mentioned stories but don't have a specific height. So we're consistency we've applied it as 12 and our assessment is that 36 feet would be an appropriate number of stories to meet the place tighten. Again, the applicant is offering that 60 feet is a district that, or 60 feet is allowed by district implementing the place type, but again, looking at the design characteristics, we are recommending that the height of 36 feet be committed to to implement that direction This is an example of some of the existing development patterns in the area This is a map of all the place types and generally in the middle of your screen is the transition policy area Areas to the right is beginning your suburban policy area areas in green to the left is your rural area The area in pink north of the site is our joint land management area, or Leesburg joint land management area. And again design characteristics for each of these place types transition. In this case you see one to four stories north of the site, obviously one to stories over in your mineral extraction areas and then you see the transition south to one to three stories as you get farther into the TPA. Other projects that have developed along this corridor and again the emphasis of this place type is on your transition to your boundaries and specifically adjacent uses and also public roads. And so this case projects that have dealt or had addressed this policy include the Cyclone Own Distribution Center, which you see here is at 45 feet. My cursor is a little crazy right now at 45 feet. You'll also see a commitment to place types like a true North data, which is down to the south, which committed to 27 feet for buildings along Cyclone Road, and then committed to higher heights further into the site that you developed. Stonewall Business Park and also Loud and West, which is directly on their side of the road. Although they have higher heights, they do have higher commitments to tree conservation areas, upwards of 100 feet along Sikland Road. In this case, the applicant is by the IP district standards is allowed to develop as close as 35 feet for parking, 75 feet for buildings. They are providing enhanced laidscaping, which is a six-foot high berm in a number of additional evergreen and other deciduous plantings to further mask the development. Another aspect, again, is architectural design. We do, we have seen in the past, speculative developments that wish to describe their development through text, describe the general design characteristics and patterns in lieu of providing a specific building layout, parking layout, building layout, circulation, those types of things. In this case, the applicant is choosing to rely heavily on descriptions of design characteristics. We've recommended given the location in the context that to better assess its impact in meeting the place type that an architectural design elements and architectural elevations and specific building layouts would give the board a better idea of how the uses might look on the site might be oriented in the relationship to the area roadways. Planning commission did support the application. There was a considerable amount of discussion about predominant development in the area, existing today. Other features on the site, including the overhead power lines, proximity to the screenway, and how areas to the east have developed. Staff does not support the application at this time. We're asking for the board to again assess data centers anticipated on the property and within the place type. It's the nature of the development that distinguishes it from other areas of the county and is a board comfortable without specificity finding this proposal appropriate. That is the end of my presentation. Thank you. Can you explain that last part you said before we go further? Is the board comfortable without specificity? Saying deciding what goes on this area. Is that what you just said to us? Specificity. Does the board feel it necessary to see specific building elevations that are proper to specific layouts of the property that show how buildings and parking are oriented if the board feels that that is necessary to make a recommendation or your vote. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Miss Umpstedt, this is your district. Thank you, Madam Chair. Marshaunt. Yes, ma'am. Two. Do we, when we're looking at providing the board with information about elevations and layouts, do we care more when the buildings are going to be more visible from the road or from nearby residential. Or do we just have a blanket policy that we prefer or certainly staff prefers to have more information about elevations regardless of the extent of visibility of the project. It's the first part of your question. It's relationship to the area roads and adjacent development to the south of the greenway. Okay. All right, thank you. Ms. Gleff. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the presentation Has Dominion commented as part of the referral process on this application? Not in the referral process. I know the applicant has been in contact with Dominion about power to service site Okay, we have not received a specific referral from Dominion no ma'am. Okay. Thank you Mr. Lattorno Thank you. So there are power lines that are either existing or proposed near the site, right? Or they're going to come adjacent to the site. Yes, sir. The superstructures are already up. Right. If you notice, it's right along. In this graphic, it's that white area just bordering the dullest greenway and you see sort of the right angle that goes up into the site and then the orm property the property just looked at would pass up through that area up into the lever. And what's the height on those? Over 100 feet. Over 100 feet. Is that mitigated all the concern over the visual impact on height? It's certainly a factor the board can consider. I think you see through the easement right right? You see those power structures. There's distances between those structures. Yeah. The scale and massing is still going to have an impact on the area. Yeah, I tend to agree the 60s to high. But how did you arrive at 36? Because it looked like from the graphic you showed us, most of the other buildings were between 40 and 45. 36 is how we've consistently applied. We have a number of stories. We consider a 15-feet and 45 would be. We consider a 12 in the east. Were those other heights on those other projects approved through Resoning or was that existing zoning at the time? Through Resoning. rezoning or was that existing zoning at the time? Through rezoning, sir. Through rezoning. So the board's pretty consistently, it looks like a loud 40-45 feet in this area. Is that fair to say? Correct. So a number of these existed predating the updates of the 29, 2019 GP. And it said even a lot of these are properties that it's interior to the site. So I said before, loud and west, stillwall Business Park, they spates attention to the visual impact along Siklin. And even though you see those heights, you'll see tree conservation areas and other larger distances from Siklin Road to mitigate that visual impact. Would you prefer if there was lower height closer to the greenway and then higher as you get farther away. I think our recommendation to meet the policy of the more of an emphasis on sicklin versus the green way. If you look at, you know, next door at the Stonewall business park as you're driving along the green way, that's a pretty visual and striking impact and the topography impacts that. This is a rolling site. So part of the green way is below this property, and part of the property is below the green way. So it is going to be sitting up higher on the cyclan side. Yeah, I think it might be helpful to see a little bit more about the exact elevations on these buildings and the sort of geography to really weigh. I'm not part of our recommendation, super-adulterno, is that we would set up the planning commission that we would feel I'm not sure which is this. That was part of our recommendation, Super Edelow, Turner. I think we would set up the planning commission that we would feel comfortable if we could look at how the buildings are arranged. We did meet with the applicant earlier this week to talk about some potential layouts that concentrate data center on the property closer to the west that may achieve that or may take advantage of the topography. That's a conversation we're still having with the applicant. All right. Okay. Mr. Turner? Thank you, ma'am chair. First, I need to disclose that Mr. Cune made a contribution to my last campaign in excess of $100. I spoke into the county attorney that will in no way affect my judgment or my decision in this case. And as I stated in my paper, my principal concern with any data center discussion going forward is grid resiliency and that's the primary motivation in my discussions. I had a point there and I lost it. just the fact that I think not having the precise concept development plan to look at in the way the site will be laid out is a significant issue. And then we're going to have to discuss that as we go forward. Thank you. Apparently, the other year she's the speaker. Mr. Saints. Thank you, Madam Chair. So the current power lines because they are putting them up now along the rean way, where are those going to? Are they going to, I'm assuming obviously they can't go to this site right now because we haven't even approved this application. So where are those going to connect to So those are coming across the site East to west and then coming up through to the orm substation and then going up into cross Or compass creek. Oh where Where the power lines are coming up along here? There's a substation in this location from the applicants proposing to serve its site. The lines cut up through up into Compass Creek, the data centers that are at the south. Okay, so those power lines that they're putting up right now are going to Compass Creek right now. Correct. Okay. And this application does say they're going to do a substation. So in theory, current lines that they're putting up now that are going to come to this creek, they could in theory go to this substation possibly at this point. We'll be connected to you. Yes. And the applicant will have more information about that. That's if this is approved. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Because I've noticed that on my drive, and I was like, where are these further going to? So okay. That answers that question. I write at this current location, could flex and dust will be done? I know sir, the existing zoning is TR10 and JLMA-20. Okay, but with the special exception that they're asking for, they could do flex and dust and dust what they wanted to. They've limited themselves to data center only, they've not asked to develop any of their IP uses. But they couldn't theory. If they change and one of the IP uses, yes, there's a number of other IP uses that could develop on the site Okay, and that would you say in your opinion that matches The the area for industrial type type use correct subject to the design discussion. We're having now Okay, so that is another option Besides what's being presented today to us? Okay, well, thank you You mr. Kirschner. Thank you, ma'am chair. Thank you staff to us. Okay, well thank you. Mr. Kirschner? Thank you ma'am chair. Thank you staff. I got a couple follow up questions. Mr. Luterno actually, you know, a couple of things but it my understanding that and I drive up and down this road literally probably every day or twice a day but my recollection of the piece of property is that those power lines pretty much run across almost entirely across the face of this 80 plus acres on the greenway side, is that correct? Yes, sir. And they also connect with the North South sublines that goes to the PAN of Power Plant. So essentially, and is this piece of property set lower than the greenway, even with it or higher? Both. OK, so it's where the proposed data center is, is that below where the green way will start? That begins to drop into sickle and create cancer. Okay. So essentially the visual impact as I, and I think this maybe it's part of what the planning commission discussed as well from my review of that, is part of the visual impact of course will be what the impact is for those people driving by essentially. And so if the base of the data center is set below the greenway, it wouldn't actually be a, you wouldn't see the full 60 feet, but it wouldn't have the same impact as if the land were level potentially. Do we know how far below? No, sir, but it does have the potential. You see here on this graphic that this area, there's a conservation area and some restoration areas that would, if you're coming from West to East, would mask some of that, yeah, she would still see the top of the building, but there is an opportunity to use it to pager feed a less than the height. Okay, okay, and do we know whether the applicant is a minimal to looking at that, or I guess a potential they could be designed to do that, is that correct? Correct, I'll let them answer as part of their presentation. So my understanding of the two main issues the staff has is perhaps the height. Can you tell me how again you came up with this 36 feet and why that's specific? Because there's nothing in this particular roof area that the 12 feet per story because I think you're saying it's a maximum of three feet. How did you extrapolate the two together? So Mr. Glendillo's going to answer it. So the first place type that's listed in the plan includes a note that 12 feet is what the story is considered. So it's not copied throughout all of the various parts of general. So is that for data centers as well? Yes. The mention of the feet is to provide a measurement for height that can be used as standard throughout. When we were developing the plan, people wanted to use stories as a more general way of doing it, yet they still gravitated to feet because that's what the zoning discussion becomes because that's how it's about your own zoning ordinance. Our data center is generally 12 feet per story? What's the per general? No, it doesn't differentiate between the use. I didn't get a plan doesn't, but as our data center is generally 12 feet per story. No. So if we, okay. All right. Was that taken to consideration with staff? Made their consideration on this? I think we acknowledge that data centers because of the infrastructure, those heights tend to be higher. Got it. But again, the stories across all uses not just data centers. So those are uses that would be probably developed more in line with that 12 foot elevation. Real quick, I'm looking at the surrounding. You mentioned the height of the service center is quite a bit and that sets up higher, correct? And it's over 100 feet, is that right? The distribution facility is 45 feet and actually sits about 10 feet below grade of cyclone road. Got it. Okay, I'm out of time. Thank you, Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So I'm just going to piggyback on what supervisor Kirchner was talking about. It was Belmont Innovation. That recent approval was that 12 feet per story. We applied that, but the place type allowed a number of stories that the proposal was below. I believe it was a suburban, I'm recalling it was one of the suburban place types that anticipated a larger number of stories or a higher number of stories that that development even though it wasn't at 12 feet the overall height proposed was within the range the place type anticipated. Okay but the transition light in industrial 12 feet is per story. Correct. It's one of those things for people off, when you say stories, they quickly says, well, what does that mean in height? And just Dan said, because, Mr. Galindo said, because of zoning and people want to get an individual of it. And so that's why we consistently applied it. Right. So that our recommendations are consistent. Okay. And this property, so I went out there today, This property is the only property south of Ciclin. So I'm just looking at Ciclin Road, the green way, yes, it has those high power lines right now. You can see them. But the impact will be mainly from Ciclin because that's where the development will be. Is this the only property that's developing industrial that you know of south of cyclone road? South of cyclone, no, in this area, yes, ma'am. Yes, yes, south of cyclone road. I thought it was more than it's not. It's south. No, it's not. It's south of cyclone. It's across from the FedEx facility. So it is south. So right now, the property has a lot of trees. It has a huge amount of trees and a corn field. So it seems very rural from what I could see. And it is very hilly. And true north is set back from sicklin. Do you know what the applicant is proposing as far as a setback off of sicklin. 75 foot building, 35 foot parking and they are offering a 25 foot wide. 75 feet from sicklin. Yes ma'am. And then they're doing a landscape burn, 65 feet from sicklin burn with additional. Okay. Is that, how about the, for the other, like true north, is that 75 feet from sicklin? It seems further back. It does and I can have that information. I drove by there the other day and I was like someone was going to ask me that. But they do have the Birmingham, they do have the landscaping along the berm and then they have the smaller height buildings along. Yeah, the smaller heights is 27 feet off of cyclin and then you can see it gets bigger as you go up to the 56 to save that Mavic Baron. But has any applicant used a utility easement for their open space? That you know of? There are other applications in process are doing so, yes ma'am. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bricksmitt. And the plan does, with certain parameters, the plan does allow that. Oh, it does. That's interesting. Okay, thank you, Madam Chair. The recommendation for approval from the Planning Commission was a little bit conditional. It said that they are subject to amendments on additional fenestration and commitments to continue to research and apply renewable energy options. Has that occurred? The fenestration commitments, yes ma'am. Okay. The energy options is- I'll ask the applicant to speak for too. Okay. And the ORM substation has that been approved? No ma'am, that has not. Or the ORM application does not. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. So we haven't approved that yet. No, ma'am, the board hasn't taken action. No, ma'am. Okay. Okay. And then what else could go in the TLI place type besides data center? The other core uses anticipated within the place type besides data center. The other core uses anticipated within the place type are light production, data centers, flex space and contractor uses, complimentary uses are retail service commercial and institutional. Conditional uses are civic cultural and community, public facilities, special activities and parks and recreation. Okay, so there's a number of options. For that place type, thank you. And I guess we don't require schematics or a CDP. We're just used to seeing them. We obviously don't require them or this application wouldn't be here. It's the applicant's election. Oh, it's their election. Okay. And if you do see that are very specific and it helps, you sort of have two development options. You have substantial conformance to a CDP, which is very important. I'm sorry, can you stop my time please? I will not. I'll be talking. You've been doing what I certainly want. Well, there's not not just one conversation. There's three right now. I will not set up your time. Keep talking. Thank you. We have seen both options and we have recommended approval of both options and we have recommended both options require more information based on the context. Right. Okay. I think that's all my questions. Thank you. Is there a method barren on site? On this site, no man. That was on the true north. That was true north. Okay, all right, all right, just fine things. So 75 setback, 35 foot parking. Is the parking frontine cyclone road? That's one of the questions we do not have a layout yet to know that. Because. It's a potential but it's not committed. Because when we say like three purposes in my in my head that's just a 30 35-foot setback of the parking frontine actually to put parking yeah okay all right that's my only question for only question um hi how are you doing we have 10 minutes you can say sitting there you can stand to the podium either way is is fine with me. Thank you, Madam Chair. Do you mind if I introduce my team with how my time is starting? Absolutely. Thank you very much. Absolutely, I don't mind, I mean. I appreciate that. Madam Chair, I'm Micromia with Walsh Kluci here in Leesburg. With Ms. Catherine Bond from Ilyox Advisors. She's a 25 year veteran of Dominion Energy. She is with us as a consultant this evening in her advisory capacity. Mr. Charles Judd, which AK land holdings, and Mr. Chuck Cune, which AK land holdings as well. And for the record, the affidavit for a million opposing has been submitted. Next slide, please. So I want to just touch base and provide a little bit more context on the transition light industrial place type. Marxant did a good job of showing his location. It's the light blue area with the poker dots on it. And in this area, it's the only area in the county that has TLI place type. It's fairly unique because it's a buddy in a number of different heavy industrial type users there. If we go to the next slide, this is the cover sheet for the TLI place type and you'll notice that there is no residential permitted in this place type. It is transitioning name only. It is effectively a light industrial place type that does accommodate many heavy industrial and light industrial uses. Next slide, please. I'd like to give you a windshield tour of what's out there today. So this is an existing data center mechanical yard. Next slide, please. This is a data center building with existing high voltage power lines running alongside of it. Next slide, please. This is the entrance to a data center. Just south. I'm sorry, just north of Ciclin Road. Next slide, please. This is an under construction 100 foot tall data center just to the east of our site on Ciclin Road. Next slide, please. This is the Ciclin Road Distribution Facility, which is currently under construction, directly across from our site. Next slide, please. And these are the power lines on the left that have just been strung along the property frontage. They go to a substation, which is in the upper right-hand corner. And they eventually go down to the substation on the bottom right picture where there are existing high voltage power lines there as well. Next slide please. And this is all to show that this area is very much so industrial in nature. It is not a transition in the traditional term of residential transitioning to rural. It is industrial, transitioning to heavier industrial. There are existing quarries. There is the Leesburg Airport. There is a power plant. There is a major gas line. There's water treatment facility. There are data centers which are shown on the stars on the screen. There is a six-lane greenway in highway. There's Sikland Road. There are many facilities out here that lend itself to industrial development and that's exactly what we're proposing in the green area there. Next slide please. So this is the zoning map. The TR-10 district is what exists on the site today. It sticks out like a sore thumb on the north side of the Greenway because there is no residential zoning on the north side of the Greenway except for this one location, aside from the JLMA zoning that's to the north there. Surrounding us as PDIP zoning and PDGI and MRI zoning further to the north. Next slide, please. So this is the actual landscape plan for the property. You can just point out a couple things on this site are in this image. Long Sikland Road, we are proposing improvements to widen the road in an interim capacity or dedicate right away for that. Further to the north of the site, we have a tree conservation area further to the northwest of the site. We have a tree conservation area further to the north west of the site. We have a reforestation area. And then the yellow line that runs through the western and southern portion of the site is the power line easement. There are pollinator meadows that we are seeding within that area. And if you go to the next slide, and again, the whole purpose of, I'm sorry, if you go back one slide, the purpose of us not showing any specific development layouts is because we have no user yet. We have laid out multiple layouts on this site, which we have showed staff, and we will likely show additional detail in our resubmission after the public hearing. Next slide, please. So the power lines, as you look at it from Sikland Road Bridge over the Greenway looking west. These are the power lines that exist along the Greenway. And I want to point out a couple things. You'll notice that there's a lot of existing trees between the Greenway and the power lines and our site. Those are going to remain there. That's within the right of way. The power lines themselves are over 100 feet in height. And then beyond that is where our building envelope begins. So we're 150 feet minimum off of the greenway right of way. And then we have a 300 foot wide greenway. And then there will be 150 feet on the other side of the greenway for building set back. Next slide, please. This is another image showing the power lines looking from west to east. Again, a lot of trees remain along the greenway. And there is additional tree cover that we will be preserving that is beyond these power lines our building heights will in fact be much smaller than the the power lines that are there next slide please. So just to touch on the building height issue as Dan mentioned there is there's actually two place types in the urban policy or the reference 12 feet in the 2019 general plan. The rest of the place types reference stories. This site is reference up to three stories. We believe that data centers should be treated differently as should industrial warehouses or flux industrial because they're not the same as commercial office or multifamily residential, which you see in the urban place types. Next slide please. So this is an analysis that was done. It's very similar to what staff did. The planning commission recommended the actual height be 60 feet because of this analysis. All the buildings around our site are 45 feet to 100 feet in height. Next slide please. For architectural and site design, we have agreed a billion elevations to be provided at the site plan stage because we do not have a user at this point. I'm not going to go through all this text on the screen But these are the text commitments we have made in the proper statement that allow for us to have high quality architecture on the site X-Live please So that you don't need to go back to that slide just says that we meet the new standards of the ordinance we have we've been able to Find these Rendering and use these renderings and use these renderings for this purpose because we think that the design that we're proposing will in fact match some of these designs if you go to the next slide please these are renderings that could very well be on the site if you go to the next slide please we get into the more realistic examples actually existing loud and county they would meet the standard of our architectural requirements next slide please and again these are very similar type designs that we would be building on the site. Next slide please. But as you can tell there are many different designs and committing to just one at this point is premature. Road, we provided this image for the planning commission to show what the screening might be for the generators. And I'm not gonna go into too much detail in this, but we are open to additional graphics and exhibits like this that show exactly what it will look like. Next slide please. I got my run through these pretty quick. The screening, these are examples of existing screening in Loudoun County. This is at Route 28, Lackspool Road. If you have the next slide please. This is Route 28 in Noakes Boulevard. Again, really high quality screening that matches the architecture of the building. If you have the next slide. This is a slide that shows all the environmental commitments we've made on the site. We work on many requirements on many meetings with environmental staff to agree to these commitments. Next slide please. Before I turn it over to Catherine Bond, I just want to say that the applicant is absolutely committed to making more improvements to the site. Specifically, we're going to de-noise mitigation, provide low water, low liquid cooling system commitments. We're going to look into gas powered generators and we're going to look into gas powered generators and we're going to look into a profit commitment for a limitation on power usage and a certain number of years. And with that I'm going to turn it over to Katherine. Thank you. Madam Chair and members of the board, Katherine Bond, it's great to be with you. In July I concluded my 25 year career at Dominion where among my other responsibilities included infrastructure strategy, public policy as well as alternative energy. And I'm really happy to be working with the JK team. They did provide notice to the utility more than two years ago for this project. This is not a new need. And so the infrastructure that's on site and the planning that went into it did so with this project and its needs from an electric standpoint in mind. Broadly speaking, I don't have to tell you that energy is a complicated topic. And I'm really happy to be part of this team that's working to challenge today's status quo. And achieving the energy future that's envisioned supervisor Turner by you and your white paper and by others is going to take companies like JK who are willing to seriously evaluate the emerging technologies for commercial viability. And I'm happy to be a resource both to them and to you. Madam Chair, we went so quickly through the presentation. I didn't realize we're going to have this much time left ever so I'll give that back to the board for any questions they may have of us. Well thank you very much. We appreciate it. Ms. Umstuk. Thank you Madam Chair. You know one of the things we hear from the public a lot is concern about large concentrations of data centers in a particular area. If we were to hear from members of the public along these lines, do you have any thoughts on how this area, whether there will be additional pressure in this area for more data centers? I can take that. Thank you, Supervisor Omsat. Yes, we certainly have looked into that. We are following the other applications that are in front of the board and always looking for solutions. So I do believe that we have one to offer and we have mentioned it to a number of board members in our briefings that we've been able to conduct today. There is an application, our neighbors are proposing up to 500,000 square feet of data on the warm property. And they were also requesting special exception approval to increase their FAR and to increase their lot coverage. We, by the way, for the Greenland application, are not seeking any FAR increase and we are not seeking any lot coverage increase and we are compliant with 50% open space in the transition light industrial playstyle. With that in mind, that could potentially remove a significant amount of square footage for a potential data center. They were requesting slightly over 500,000 square feet, which is significant. And that also has a co-incident reduction in megawatt demand as well. What we would propose on that property would be a switching station appropriately screened and then we have acreage available for battery storage. That battery storage concept, I think you have seen a couple applications like it and we would pursue that because that does help to manage the demands on the grid, store energy and then disperse it in an efficient manner. So that is an opportunity, I think, for all of us to roll up our sleeves on, but that is how we would address a potential reduction in square footage. And I think while some applicants may look so introspectively at just their site, we were looking beyond our borders to try and come up with a solution. Thank you very much. No other questions? Mr. Luterno. Thank you. So I think one of the reasons why the conversation's going a little bit rougher on this is because there's sort of, there's no site plan to really look at. And we don't obviously not a formal site plan, but we don't have the building's comedics and we don't have the heights. Is the reason for that because it's going to depend completely on what the customer wants? Good question. Good question. I mean, to cut you down. No, that's all right. Go ahead. So, good question. And so if you can imagine two bookends. One is you don't know exactly who the user is. Well, that might go a little closer to yourself. You don't know exactly who the user is yet. And so users that we work with have their own different approaches on exactly what they want their building to look like. And that choice should be theirs. The same time staff, the county, the board is looking for some more detail. And so from the slides that Mike showed a little bit earlier, we were able to work with Marshaunt and I think we're getting closer to locating a footprint. We would really like the input from the board on the concerns from Siklin or the concerns from the Greenway and maybe help adjust what's facing each way. But in the end, our graphic pictures of what the building will look like will be- Yeah, so let me, I'll interrupt now. It's less for me about exactly what the buildings look like. I'm not going to ask you to commit to a specific architecture. It's more the heights and the layout and try to understand the gradient. I mean, my take on this is I really need to see this, like, exactly what's what height out here, because like how high is Google, you know, nearby and so on, from Martian schematic, 60 seems a little high for what's there. So that's kind of what I'm, you know, what I'd be getting at, and, you know, what the building layout actually would look like. But I think that might help the conversation. Okay, could I just add on a little bit more? We've been working with Martian. He's got a great sense of humor, pleasure to work with. One thing that would be good for all of you to look at is specifically in Proffer we commit to building design standards. And so that wording is actually, that becomes the zoning regulation we live by. We have committed to that and it's in the proper statement. I think the need is for the supporting graphics to go with it. And so. That and the density sort of of the buildings and how 60 feet on which side is there some going to be gradient from that or variation from that? Sure, we've got. I think your question to us is a good one, which is do you care more about the green way of you said and the cyclone of you said and I couldn't answer that question on the spot tonight, but I think that is a fair question for us. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Crowley. Yeah, thank you said, because I don't think you can go to the green way, because it goes up and then there's a slope down just from what I could see. So I think my concern would be more Siklin and I think True North provides a good example of, you know, with the 27 up near Siklin and then it goes back, and you really can't see kind of the taller buildings in the back. But I did notice in your presentation that you were looking at natural gas for the generators over diesel. Can you explain that? You were doing an analysis? There. Oh, I'll let Mike do it. Yeah, we would commit to an analysis to see if it's feasible as part of our resubmission package. So there is gas in the area but we're not sure if it's feasible to bring you to the site or not. So we would review that and see if it's possible. Okay, and then what does power usage over a certain number of years mean? I saw that one of your slides. So we've had discussions and see if I was a turner specifically with him regarding how we could address the board's concern. We know power is a concern. We understand that. And we don't know exactly what that looks like yet either. We've had very preliminary discussions about this issue and I think we would appreciate board direction and if we can accommodate it, then we can potentially commit to it. Okay, and the battery storage, I think, is on another property, right? That's the Army Farm property that you're looking at. That's correct. We're doing this property. That's correct. Okay. And then what, I noticed you're doing strategies from leadership and energy and environmental design, lead by the U.S. screen building council. What strategies are you going to be doing? What specific strategies? So there's no specific strategy. We have that properties traffic. We have four commitments and then we have the lead option and any strategies within the lead, Bayleywick, we could incorporate. If there are specific strategies that you would like to see, We are all ears and we would like to hear those. Okay, thank you. Mr. Kerrister? Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. So Mr. Yad, can you talk to us a little bit about, because there was some concern from staff on the building height. And you heard some of my questions to staff concerning where the footprint would be, whether it would be, you know, put up, et cetera. Can you give us a little more of your thought process on the building hate itself? Thank you for the question. I hope that you and the rest of the board members are getting the message that we are working and trying our best to address all of your policy requirements. So when the building height issue was raised, we were, I guess, called to action to start to look at what has occurred in that vicinity. But specifically, the place type says one to three stories. There isn't a specific definition of story. And there are other parts of the comprehensive plan in other place types. Most best example I think would be Urban Transit Center. It says, the story is 12 feet. Well, in the Urban Transit Center you have a different type of development. You have vertical mix of residential office. That's typically a 12 foot story. But if you heard tonight, those uses anticipated in the transition light industrial, which are other industrial uses, flex, data, light industrial, those typically are of a different height. They're a higher height. You need clear height in an industrial building to be able to do the industrial nature of the activities in the building. They're not limited, always, to 12 feet. So we have had this running argument with staff. Where exactly does it say it? And when you consider what else has been permitted in those industrial uses, a wide variety of industrial uses of that. 60 feet seems appropriate. The zoning ordinance also says you're newly adopted ordinance, the IP implements the transition light industrial. It has a 60 foot building item. We're not asking for any more. So is 60 feet consistent with three stories of data? If you were to look at other industrial buildings? Well, one to three is the range, 60 feet if you had a 20 foot story. And so we've talked to a number of data center operators and typically you're probably at 22 and up. So this would likely be two, but if we could accommodate three stories in a 60-foot height, we would. And remember, we have a limitation in our footprint that's based on policy. 50% of your site has to be in open space. And so we're, we have that constraint, we're honoring it. And we're just looking for the height that comes with the district. We don't think that length, that we don't think that policy language is really aimed at TLI, the way the staff is interpreting it. Thank you, Mr. Yad. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. We had extensive discussion whether we're talking about 36 feet or 60 feet around a data center that's 2 million square feet that's going to have 300 megawatts to an over-subscribed loud and grid. The key issue in the elephant in the room here is this add further resiliency issues and insecurity to an already insecure loud and grid. That's the issue for me. That's the only issue for me. The applicant to their credit has proposed a very innovative potential. I would say medium step in the direction of figuring out how to do data centers in a more innovative way in loud and county on. I commend them for that. We're going to end with some discussion between now and when this comes back to us to see if the step is in my judgment substantial enough to actually represent an exemplar for other data center applications in Loudoun County. In a broad term, basically, we're looking at an energy cap for a finite period of time so that we can define what is the load on the grid for a finite period of time. I will tell the applicant in advance of these discussions. My big concern is what happens after that time period? What does it look like after that time period? If we just expire the time period and then we throw 300 megawatts on the grid in hour and many years, that's probably not an answer. I'm fascinated with what could happen with the OEM property. I think that has tremendous potential and so I really want the discussion to include the orm property and how we might use that in an innovative solution. But again, I commend the applicant for I think taking a substantive step in the direction of doing things differently with data centers in Lawn County. That by no means predicts the outcome of these discussions, but I'm encouraged that we are having the discussion. So thank you very much. Ms. Bricksman. Thank you. Is the applicant aware that there's other ways to cool data centers that might reduce your electricity besides water which is very concerning to some of our environmental groups here but all the water that's being used to cool these things? Yes, we are committed to air cooled currently in the Proference, but we're actually able to offer to be liquid to chip or liquid to liquid as well, which is also significantly less in water consumption. In fact, the water consumption is virtually nothing. OK. I guess one of the top things that I hear the applicant saying is this is not appropriate at all for residential. And I understand why the applicant is saying that because you're trying to go from TR to PDIP, IP. But I don't think anybody up here thinks necessarily that this is an appropriate place for residential. But for me, it's the height and the schematics and the architecture because the pressure that we're getting from the community and that we hear all the time is visual fatigue. It's visually fatiguing for our residents. And things have gotten better as far as design of these buildings. But I think that's one of the root things that is why we're very uncomfortable without seeing what the building's going to look like. So I'll leave that out there. I think that's why, you know, before it might not have been such a big deal, right? But we're hearing, you know, at the grocery store and at the gas station and, you know, on my bike ride about the way they look. And so I think that's why it's so difficult not to have a CDP. And I think also in this area, at least for me, I think we need to step down kind of idea, right? And so that's why I asked staff, what else could go here? And I think one thing that I would strongly consider here is solar. I mean, it may not be as lucrative, but there's going to be a battery storage right next door. So talk about being an exemplar community member. I don't know what to tell you to do with your property, but would that be something you would consider? Straight up. A couple of things wrapped in there. Data centers we're building in our COLA is a picture. I think it's on slide 20. We can show you the actual picture of what that building looks like. Let's go back one more please. Okay, the bottom left is the exact yonder buildings that we're building in our cola up a race field. So that's not- Oh, I just drove past there. Fictitious, the pictional picture, that's the actual building. That building is approximately 60 feet. One of the reasons we can't show you the exact layout and the exact elevation is until we lock down the building height, it locks down different buyers. So for example, if we're approved at 60 feet and we can get the layout approved that you under needs, it will be that exact building and that would be our preference. If not, we have two other buyers in tow with two different layouts, two different elevations. All good looking product. I will promise the board. The product we build will be the best looking product you have on the toll road from the airport all the way down to the water sewer plant, I promise. One of the comments you talked about water usage and that building in the bottom left, the only thing water is used for is to flush toilets and wash hands. That building uses less water than my moving and storage facilities use in Sterling, Virginia. And we are offering to either air cooled or closed loop water, which consume virtually no water. They use water, they don't consume water. You asked another question about solar. There are areas where we can do a lot of things. So Supervisor Luternoch can attest to hundreds and hundreds, approximately 2 million square feet of flex industrial. We're building off of Route 50 and a business park is approved in Perseville. Where we're going up against residential developments, where we're going up against schools, we're doing non-data because we've heard the board loud and clear, that's what you all prefer. Certain areas where we're not up against schools, we're not up against residential, we're in highly industrial developments, we think are appropriate for data hence this application. We are open to doing solar, we would not want to do solar on ground of this value. If we got out to AR1, AR2 would be an appropriate place to do solar. The economics for solar on a site like this would not work financially. Thank you. And to add to that from an energy perspective there may be other options that could provide additional resiliency so it could mean a combination of resources, but again looking at those sort of constantly evolving and rapidly evolving technologies is part of what we're going to be looking at. Thank you. So to kind of piggyback on something Miss Pricksman said, so I would, when making these decisions, there are many things that could win these decisions. Land use and it's obviously primary for me as land use. But it could be tough sometime because as much as I really, really appreciate our businesses and the businesses in loud and or my constituents, I see a business as a constituent also. But residents are constituents too. And when I first came into this job nine years ago, the main emails I would receive that were residents that had constituents that had complaints with traffic. Today it's data centers. Every single day I get a email about a data center. And I used to say this is what they're going to do for your tax rate and data centers are really good for a good partner to the community because you are. You're a Mr. Commissioner and you're an excellent community partner. I used to say that and people go, oh, okay, I get it. And now I say that and they go, I do not care. I do not want to say one more data center. And so as elected officials, I try to hear, embalance everything. What is the economic benefit? What is the land use appropriateness? What is the voice of constituents? All those things together have to do is, and then I go out and I look at sites as you know, I go look at sites and all those things come in the play when we're making decisions. And so these are, I know that applicants spend a lot of time and expenses to do this. And I want you all to know that we don't take these decisions lightly. These are tough decisions and we're trying to hear many voices and make many things into account when we're trying to make these decisions. So I just wanted to say that. Staff, I do have one question because I think I maybe heard two different answers. Mr. Sains asked you about flex and dust real and I thought you all said it couldn't be considered a dislocation. It was couldn't be considered at this location, but then somebody else asked you and you said it could It's can can flex industrial be considered is it a yes ma'am? It's not it's not a core use but it but it Tell me the answer to that question. I heard it is two questions one the IP district doesn't allow those types of uses yes They're limiting themselves the data center The applicant is looking themselves in the data center. But in terms of flex space, contractors, late production data centers, those are all considered core uses. Okay. I thought you answered Mr. Stain's question differently, so I misunderstood that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do we have any other speakers that signed up? Can you bring them up to me please? We have quite a few speakers on this issue And we have two that are remote. I'm gonna do the people in the room yet. So the people who are remote just hold on. I'll get to you I'll get to you very soon. Our first three speakers are John Benedict and Ava's Rinshaw and the third speaker is Mark Raphael. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you for meeting with us and we appreciate everyone on the board and their interest in the issue. I'm John Benedict of Middleburg and the Little River District and although I'm on the board of Loudness Future Pack I'm John Benedict of Middleburg and the Little River District and although I'm on the board of loudness future Pack I'm speaking here tonight as an individual Mike and chief concern as this project is too large and scale it may not be the blockbuster that was the original Belmont innovation application, but it was in two million square feet its floor space is still the size of 20 home depots. And loud and even with a booming home building market, four home depots are sufficient. From a visual standpoint, forgetting to the point where data centers are out of hand. But more importantly, this new data center would require more power than many thousands of homes. Loud and already faces huge demand for new infrastructure to subsidize one of the world's wealthiest industries. Dominion Power has said consumers' power bills will double because the demand is serving data centers and transmission lines are big concerns throughout the county. The aesthetics and the local environmental impacts of projects like this are troubling too, notwithstanding proffers. This site has steep slopes which would be heavily graded right along Ciclin Creek and visual impacts along Ciclin Road. Clearing the wooded site would contribute to the loss of tree cover and make runoff worse and harm wetlands and wildlife making an already you know disappointing area worse. So in scale and aesthetics and an operational noise it's also likely incompatible with the adjacent rural areas. At the very least it would add to an already problematic area. Staff doesn't support proving the application for solid reasons. It's inconsistent with the design recommendations for the 2009 general plans transition light industrial place type and the application lacks specificity for all the reasons that have already been discussed this evening. The proposed 60 foot building height is nearly double the 36 foot limit anticipated for this place type And the large building and potential noise could disrupt the rural area and anyone nearby These make any approval at this time at best premature Early this year the board recognized data center zoning should be reviewed after dramatic growth and at some point leadership needs to acknowledge Enough a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, would not be in favor of rezoning this for yet another data center, especially one so big. I don't know what to say anymore about the view shed on the greenway. It's pretty food bar as far as I can tell. I don't drive it very often, but every time I do now, it's shocking to me. I know that the flex space is what's needed by citizens. I've been here. You guys know it's it too. You've heard people come up here and beg you for more of that type of space for small businesses. I've had multiple locations that were that kind of Flex Space. And it's very unavailable in Loudon. I couldn't start my business as I did before here if I had to today. I know multiple people that are looking for space and they can't find it. But that all being said, it certainly doesn't bring the dollars that data centers do apparently. Anyway, I don't think the project is right for the site. Although it is good to hear that there are flex spaces being developed but not close in to Leesburg. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Rinshaw. Mark Raphael, followed by Aaron Walter, followed by Jim Bingle. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you. I'm Mark Rafael. I'm an engineer. I'm a 20-year resident and a support and a local community and the Algonquin District. And I'm also the energy rep for the Loudoun Coalition of Homeowners and a kind of association and LCHGA. I have one point or one point of focus I should say on this proposal and it also relates to a big opportunity I think that exists for the board. The proposal adds of course another two million square feet to the current approved roughly 40 million of the center square feet in the county that translates to another I think the number was 300 megawatts on top of 8 to 9,000 megawatts. To put that number in context, about 1,000 homes per megawatts. We have 150,000 homes in out in County, 150 megawatts. The data center alone is twice the power consumption of every single one of our residences in the County. And if you look at the pool of data centers, it's coming closer to the magnitude of 60 times. Where's that power coming from? It's coming a lot larger from out of state on transmission lines, the standard power loss by percent or so, means that the amount of power that's lost, energy loss just getting the power to the data centers is at least twice that of what we're consuming for all our homes. Where's that going? It's heating the power of clients, which is heating the air, the atmosphere. There's just the fact. We shouldn't approve a single new data center until we have a revised and aware, more aware energy policy within the county. We are unique. We've talked about being the internet capital of the world. It's 70% of internet traffic rides through the mountain county. 10% of our economy is on the internet. That's about $2 trillion when you do the math. That's a huge leverage point that nine people in this room can have to make significant changes and do things differently. Even in Congress, where we have several hundred people that have to come to agreement, we only have to do nine. I know that may still be hard, but there is, when it becomes great power, in two senses comes great responsibility. We have that responsibility, but we have an opportunity. We have that leverage that not everyone has. LCHCA would like to be a part of the conversation if possible. And let's make a difference. Other than just heating the air above our county. Thank you. Thank you sir. Thank you. Aaron Walter followed by Jim Bingle followed by Tia Irman. Good evening. Good evening. Nice to see all of you again So you know I come here every time now for every single day to center and I'll continue coming because you know we have a problem You know we don't we're over prescribed in our power you you know and We have all this land already in this county that is satisfied and can be Built data center. We don't need to approve more land that isn't already available. We shouldn't even be approving any, frankly. Until we have a solid plan, you can't just keep bearing in your head in the sand about problems that you know exist and making it worse. And so any data center makes it worse. You need a plan before you do this. And also I'm not thrilled about that we're a single industry, sort of, we're relying on a single industry for our tax base in this county. That disturbs me, too, as well. And I think we need to stop doing that too. So thank you very much. Have a good evening. Thank you. Jim Bingo, followed by Tia Irman, followed by Tony. But, but, but, Gidjilio I think. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall and Board members. My name is Jim Bingo. 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Clearing that much mature forest on the steep slopes, on poor soils, will supercharge the resulting runoff. A remarkable number of specimen trees in the mature forest will be lost with the proposed plan, even though I saw something about saving them. There's nothing that I see in the proffer particularly. They are excellent carbon capture agents, free. And when eliminated, we lose the free carbon sink and the trees and the soil along with the critical habitat they provide. We appreciate the complete list of building performance standards that have been profored now. However, we heard that there's no water usage. It's not still clear because the particular use or method of performance standard isn't clear. I guess technology is what I'm trying to say. The application also fails to give staff the concept plan details as you've heard to adequately analyze the developments layout. It still shows nothing inside the development envelope regarding building location, orientation, driveway, you've heard it all. It's more important to preserve forests than give open space credit for the area under the power lines. A picture is worth a thousand words and despite the verbal descriptions and commitments, a visual of what they will prefer to is wonderful. Besides the board's discussion, the additional height request for 60 feet means even more power demand at a time when power generation, you know, is a problem. Generator details are missing in the proffers again. They said something. We haven't seen them. So until there's a tenon, I think this is premature. Thank you Thank you Tia Irman followed by Tony Virgis Leo and then we and then I'm And then Debbie Excuse me good evening My name is Tia Irman also speaking on behalf of the PEC in addition to the site specific concerns my colleague Jim outlined There are numerous more global reasons why we oppose a data center for the site. As we all know, Dominion and PJM must provide power as demanded. At this point, that means sourcing the needed power from new gas plants and extending the life of coal plants. This has a negative impact on both our local greenhouse gas reduction goals and the Virginia clean economy goals. As even with the backward steps we're taking right now the power demands of the data centers already approved in Latin County are still unmet. In considering a zoning change for this parcel the 1993 zoning ordinance which covered this application has a relevant section we think the board must consider in its deliberations. From article 6-1 one two one oh dot e one factors for approval, quote, appropriateness of the proposed uses based on the comprehensive plan trends in growth and development, the current and future requirements of the community as to land for various purposes as determined by population and economic studies and other studies, and the encouragement of the most appropriate use of land throughout the locality. While in the past data centers have been an appropriate land use in many parts of the county, today the sheer dominance of the industry in both economics and physical space has led to a lack of support for other industrial uses necessary to cultivate a robust and diversified economy, with room for growth and adaptability as due businesses and trends emerge. The county's economic dependency on the data center industry is generally not considered in whether or not to approve these individual applications. However, we feel loud and has reached a critical tipping point as a joke. And the fiscal impacts on a healthy and diverse economy must be addressed, discussed, and factored into any decisions going forward as a key factor in considering the current and future requirements of the community and to encourage the most appropriate use of land throughout the county. For all of these reasons, it is apparent that the negative impacts loss of potential use for other uses of the space and deepening of our energy deficit impacting residents incurred by approving this application outweigh the benefits and we urge the board to deny it. Thank you. Thank you Ms. Irman Sir, would you pronounce your last name for me please? Tony Virgileo. Virgileo, yes, we're close. And then be followed by your wife. My wife's so cute to speak. Thank you. Let me, my name is Tony Virgileo, I live south of Leesburg. And I've spoken to you many times before about data centers and about the impact on the county. So let me just cut to the chase. If you vote tonight to approve this particular agenda item, then what you're telling your constituents, the ones that vote for you every election or some of the dope vote for you every election, that you're in favor of basically replicating data center alley again in Loudoun County. Because the land that you're talking about is not just this one parcel of land. The land you're talking about is from Goose Creek to the Leesburg Airport. It's from Route 7, all the way to Sikland, and then to Onto the Greenway, and probably on Evergreen Mill Road by the time we get done. So what you're saying is that this part of the county, which has some industry in it, and a lot of homes in it, and a of Loudoun County into the second data center alley. And you can't hide that data center alley. You've been down there, you know what it's like, you see their substations, you see the power lines, you see building after building after building. You said the residents are getting fatigued at what's going on with the data centers. They're not getting fatigued, they're going crazy. They're actually having a little meltdown or breakdown. They're feeling like rat cinemas because when they bought here they bought to be in a residential area in a neighborhood with schools and families and parks and recreation and what they're seeing happen to this county is data center after data center after data center literally taking over all the rural areas. I thought it was rich that they're going to go ahead and deforest this particular piece of property and then offering the reinforced it. Why didn't they just leave the trees there and leave the forests alone? But that's not good enough. What you're talking about doing is increasing the size of the number of data centers by a significant portion, increasing the amount of electricity required to do it. You just went through a whole bunch of stuff about having an expanded right away for more power lines coming in from Maryland into this area. Dominion Powers already told us they don't have They're going to be able to hook these things up for another eight, seven or eight years. It doesn't exist. It doesn't exist in the PJM area and they don't have the lines to bring in in here. But they will build those lines if you approve this data center. They will bring more lines in. They will have to find power someplace else in the country. And our rates for electricity are going to go through the roof, both for the transmission cost as well as the production cost. This is not something you need to prove. You have time. You've got at least another five or six years before you have to even take a look at this. What's going on right now is somebody trying to improve the value of the land and guarantee that they can build data centers in the future. future but what you're voting on tonight is data center alley number two in Loudon County from Leesburg all the way to Goose Creek and I don't think you should vote yes on this thing I think you should turn it out. Thank you sir thank you miss miss Vigilio nice to have you thank you you will be followed by our remote collars Natalie P.N. Richard Ramos and Scott, Brain Art. Good evening. Hi, how are you? I can't come up with all of the specifics that these people have come up with, but what I can tell you is this is my neighborhood. I've lived in areas that we had to leave because trash, de-steem, electric centers have been put in. On a block, I had neighbors, 10 neighbors in one year die. Why did they die? Because we lived east of where these facilities were built. So number one question is why do we have to have all these data centers? And number two, under that question is, what are we going to do when these data centers. And number two, under that question is, what are we going to do when these data centers are longer needed because there's been new technology that has come up that is providing a much smaller storage area needed. Number three is, we were in Washington, D.C. recently. And my husband was upset about how hot it was. I said, oh, when we'll get home, you know, we're always 10 to 15 degrees cooler. We're always 5 to 7 degrees cooler than River Creek. We're now hotter than those places. We keep planting trees like crazy, and these people are going to tear down our trees. Our environment is going to be worse. We have talked to people in West Virginia that are upset that their coal factories are going to be restarted to provide energy for here. The residents are going to be paying for these lines going in. Our electric bills are already bad. This great that our taxes are not high, but we don't care anymore and we're retired. We would rather we built a house, we live in a house we've been in for 40 years. This was our die house. Now we're looking at moving because we're not going to be able to afford, we're getting forward the taxes. We're not going to be able to afford our electric bills. We're not going to be able to afford to live here because we're not going to be able to breathe. Because our trees are disappearing, our environment is getting worse. We're no longer improving the environment and the air quality in this county, in this country. But we're making it worse. I don't understand why we have to have all these data centers. And I am one of the residents that's fed up with it. And they said this is not a residential community. It is a residential community. Orm's farm has been transferred into a building site for homes. And I'm sorry your time is up. Okay. Well, I wish you would consider how the residents feel. Thank you very much. Thank you. Natalie P.N. Richard Ramos and Scott Brain are three remote speakers. Hello. My name is Natalie P.N., a 40-year resident of Lavin County and the Little River District. Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts on the Greenland Park Resoning application. I appreciate staff, environmental, and heritage resource analysis that identifies outstanding environmental issues. I wholeheartedly agree with staff recommendations to deny this application. This application lacks detailed total of judicial decision. In addition, there are general questions that remain to be answered that cannot be ignored when it comes to data centers. First, the Department of Economic Development reports that there are 30 million square feet of operating data centers and 5 million more in the process of development. 30 million square feet of operating data centers and 5 million more in the process of development. 30 million square feet is equivalent to about 688 acres or about 520 football fields. That's what Ladin has already. The additional 5 million square feet in development is equivalent to 115 acres or about 87 football fields. Does Loudoun County need more data centers? Deny this application. While data centers provide tremendous revenue, reliance has grown dangerously from an acceptable 14% of general revenue in FY 2017 to 33% in FY 24. Has Loudoun County become an economically 2017 to 33% and FY24 has allowed and can't it become an economically unsustainable single industry community deny this application. Who can forget the 2023 air permit variance to allow highly polluting data to no diesel backup generation to ignore air pollution limits and operate 24 seven in the summer. Why was Latin allowed to become a sacrifice zone? How many sensitive and ecological valuable stream valleys will be violated by electricity transmission lines? How many forests will be compromised or destroyed? Deny this application. There have been so many data center approvals in Latin County that dimin minute energy cannot provide electricity in a time of fashion. The normal three to four year process will now take one to three years longer. Thinking about the seven year maximum weight from power and the rapidly changing data center technology, does that make sense to approve any data center application now? Deny this application and stick to this denial. Thank you. Thank you very much. Richard Ramos, followed by Scott Breinard. Good evening, my name is Richard Grassless. I live in Hamilton and could talk to the district and I'm speaking on behalf of Love's Future, the 501C4 organization where I serve as board member and treasure. We are not anti-data center per se. You recognize the many benefits they've provided the county. Nonetheless, we're deeply concerned about the cumulative effects that they're accelerating growth is having. This is causing increasing risks to our electric grid capacity and stability and demand for new transmission pathways. We are seeing firsthand the adverse effects this rapid development can have on neighboring communities. The current county and state rules governing data center development make it very difficult for the board to manage these challenges in a way that ensures a balanced sustainable future for the county. Yet, with each new special exception and zoning rewrite that has approved, we're edging closer to overloading our infrastructure and the disruption to residents and the surrounding environment is becoming more evidence. Opposition to huge projects like this would be helpful, but not sufficient to mitigate the adverse effects of unchecked growth. But we need to recognize and act decisively to remedy the broader long-term impacts unchecked growth will have on the county as a whole. That's why we strongly support supervisor Turner's leadership in the upcoming CPAM re-write process. This effort is critical to establishing a framework that will allow Loudoun County to guide Deity Center development or strategically foster a balance between economic benefits and protecting the quality of life for all residents over time. We need a plan that accounts for not just the immediate considerations but also the long-term sustainability of our communities and resources. Loudness Future is committed to being an active participant in this process. We believe this is an opportunity for the Board to set the right standards. We'll guide data center development responsibly. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you, and then our last speaker is Scott Freinart. Hi. Thanks very much for the opportunity to speak. Like a previous speaker said, she didn't know what to say anymore. I feel very similarly. Many speakers sounded a note of exasperation, and I share that sentiment 110%. The board denied a rezoning of the Belmont Innovation Center for several additional millions queer feet of data center, despite the fact that in that case, there were significant proffers to mitigate the environmental impacts of what they were allowed to build by right. So that was a kind of tricky decision back in March. And I think the, and of the upside of the decision in front of you tonight is that there's no tricky cost benefit analysis to weigh because there isn't 1.3 million square feet of data center allowed at this site by right. Instead, there's just a decision as to whether or not we should build two million more square feet of data center in Mountain County. As supervisor Turner stated quite accurately during the debate over the Bill month center, there's no such thing as a renewable energy-powered data center. On the contrary, these data centers, as everyone has said, are overwhelmingly and single-handedly driving an energy crisis. I listened very carefully to the applicant's presentation with a particular focus on any kind of assurance that there would be an analysis and mitigation of energy consumption with respect to this project. And it was disappointed that there was just a brief mention and kind of vague illusion to an interest to work to develop new technologies. Along with an acknowledgement that fundamentally they do not have any strategy for mitigating the crisis, the data centers are causing on the energy grid. So right now, the hundreds of megawatts that the SIGI will demand will strain our energy grid, increase prices for rate payers, drive the demand for the construction of new high voltage lines, and decrease any chance that we will be able to reach for climate goals. I think the board set a very reasonable and rational precedent to pump the brakes on additional data center up-soning last March, and I would encourage supervisors to apply the same logic in this case. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir, and that was our last speaker. This is in the Leedsburg District. This on-set would you like to make a motion? Yes, Madam Chair. I move that the Board of Supervisors forward ledgy 2023-0059 Greenland Park, ZMAP 2022-0024 to the October 16, 2024 Board of Supervisors business meeting for action. I have no opening statement. Motion was made. Seconded by the second by the motion. Discussion on the motion. Mr. Attorney. I'm sorry. Mr. Rogers. Madam Chair, I believe that meeting is October 16th. And that which she said, I think she said that. Okay. I thought I said October 16th. That's what I heard Mr. Eternal yeah, it is my practice to always both afford a Application to a business meeting for action and I will do so here Appreciate the speakers. I think there is more discussion that we should have with the applicant on this application It's it's you know a difficult macro conversation And but looking at it micro, you can't credibly argue that this site is appropriate for residential. It's not. There's no one would want to live there, no one would move there. So then it becomes a question of what it is appropriate for. I'm passionate about ensuring that data centers do not get built next to residential communities. All the more, especially given some of the situations we have in the southern part of the county. And so that means there has to be an outlet for where they should go, where there is no residential. And this corridor represents that because of there's literally a power plants, there's other data centers and so on. The other challenge for us is quite frankly the parameters by which we decide land use are not the same as the public has opinions about them, which is perfectly fine and perfectly understandable. When I was not on the board of supervisors, I felt the same way about a lot of things. But some of the arguments made by some of the speakers tonight are simply not feasible legal arguments against the latest application. And that's okay. I mean, that's why we're here and so on. So we take the input and we try to do what we can with it. So I would certainly be interested in further discussion about some of the specifics on this application. I also think there's more discussion that we're obviously having about the larger macro power supply issues and so on That all come come to play into this But I'm also cognizant of what our legal constraints are as a board as we consider these applications. Thank you Mr Kirschner. It's just briefly madam chair I appreciate what mr. Litturno I just say because I was thinking somewhat in the same lines in terms of the breakdown of what we heard tonight and kind of how we approach our data centers and a micro and macro. Kind of perspective. I would have to say that a lot of the comments are made tonight are not feasible for land use decisions. I will also say that I just fundamentally disagree with the whole talk of the power grid. I mean these data centers are going all kinds of other places. I own a property down in Louisiana County. They're putting 15 million square feet of data down there. And so the power grid's going to be strained one way or the other. It's just kind of the demand. What's going on here? So I really don't, I do agree that some other things are legitimate. We need to have a broader conversation as we continue to do so. I will say that this particular data center is not going to require more power lines, has been planned for a couple of years, so it does fit within what Dominion is going to be able to supply and has planned to supply, etc. I think the more important question this application is, what are we going to do on the micro? I appreciate Mr. Luterno, I have to say, and that is yes, this is not next to residential. It is on the greenway. It can be significantly screened. I am interested in seeing what the applicant can do in terms of screening it along, not necessarily the greenway, but the other road that it approaches. I think that's really, really important in terms of how we lay this out. Because I think one of the things that we've heard from a lot of residents, not so much my residents, but obviously many of the residents in the east. And that is having a look at the buildings and that sort of thing. I appreciate the facades and a lot of the elevations that have been talked about. It seems to me that we are significantly improving that in our data community. And I think some of the new guidelines are really important because I think a lot of our old ones, obviously, are the ones that people have to look at on a regular basis. And I can see how, you know, large concrete walls with nothing on the side of it can become tiring. But I think we're certainly moving away from that. We've improved that significantly. So I do look forward to hearing what the applicant has the same terms of the screening and taking a few more looks at that. But I think this application probably is in pretty good shape for this particular area. I do love the concept of what we're trying to do here potentially. I know this is not part of this application, but the discussion we had in terms of a switching station on the ORM. I hope that the applicant and that will work well with you or bring that suggestion to bear and hopefully that can be a kind of companion application that comes along at some point. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. So there's an old adage that your parents probably always used to say to you, and that's too wrong. Don't make it right. It's pretty clear that this area did not quite go the way that it was maybe originally envisioned. There were some perhaps bad decisions made by previous boards, two boards ago. Maybe there was some buy-right stuff that got built before we revised our general plan. But I don't think that means that we have to buy into the slippery slope argument that's been presented here tonight. Staff doesn't support this application, so I am unlikely to support this application, especially without any options for anything else to go here besides data center. There's no CDP, it doesn't match what should go in the TLI. And so, I don't think I'll be able to support it. And it's pretty telling that the applicant is not even considering any other option in the application. Even though the staff listed out so many other options that could be done here, maybe as a step down, as you go toward Cicolain and as you go toward the green way. But there's no other option in this application. So it's almost like you leave me no choice. I would like to see something else here. I know it's not appropriate for residential. Ms. Renshaw is absolutely correct. Mr. Reiser comes to us almost every month in finance committee and says we have a dearth of flex industrial and we really really are sorely short of flex industrial in this county and I know you're doing it elsewhere but you know and it may not be as profitable but we need it we need it and it may not, you know, in some ways it's not profitable because the applicant is a victim of his own success. When I came on the board, you know, land for data centers in this county was going for 2 million in acre. Now it's going for 4 million in acre. And that's the quandary that we have ourselves in right now. Flex industrial, solar panels, I'd love to see solar panels right here. When I drive to Maine, I see solar panels along the highway all the time. That's where they go. That's where they belong. Not near residential, close to industrial. Something innovative and unique for Loudoun County. Because we know we need to do these things for the environment. So I guess that's all I have. Thank you. Well, I, I, like Mr. Turner, I routinely will vote for an, an, an app, an item to be forwarded to the business meeting so we can have a final vote on it. Please do not assume that my vote to forward it means one thing or the other except for I'm forwarded to the next meeting. While there was there it is true. There were things that were said during the public comments that we cannot take into account when making decisions because legally we can't. There are also things that were said that we we cannot take into account when making decisions because legally we can't. There are also things that we can't take into account. And I think it's okay to recognize both those things. And this is one of these moments where no one's doing, no one, the applicant is not doing anything wrong. People who might want to say yes is not doing anything wrong. People who might want to say yes is not doing anything wrong. People who want, the supervisors who might want to say no, and not doing anything wrong. It is a decision, again, may use lots of factors. This is not an appropriate place for residents, but it is an appropriate place for other uses that could be helpful. And there is no way anyone can or should deny the probability of data centers and how helpful that's been. We have, I think we have the lowest tax rate in northern Virginia, although I'll check on that because Prince William may be one tick longer lower than us. But there are other cost to data centers that we sometimes don't see and are unseen. An environmental cost is a real cost as well. So we will have this discussion between now and October 16th, a little more robust, a little more fully. And then on the 16th, we will make some decisions on that date. So is there a closing? No. No closing, thank you. All right, motion was made by the supervisor. I'm static, seconded by the supervisor, the turnout. 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I move that the closed session be adjourned that the Board of Supervisors reconvene its public meeting, that the minutes of the public meeting should reflect that no formal action was taken in the closed session, and further move that the resolution certifying into closed session. He abstained and then he did not join us in closed session. Unless he does not need to be here to read us out of closed session. All the people say aye. Any opposed? Would everybody please affirm? Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. And I affirm as well. Thank you very much. We have one more item this evening. Miss. Oh, okay. We need to keep a keep core. I'm up here guys. Okay, we're good. Um, you are the staff doing the thing? Yes, ma'am. Though I am missing Dan. All right, we're ready when you are. Okay, there we go. Good evening board. My name is Marshall Brown with the Department of Planning and Zoning, and I'm here to present the applications for the Arcola Town Center residential. The subject property is a portion of the original Arcola Center development, which is located north of Arcola Boulevard and south of Arcola Mills Drive. It is currently zone TC or Town Center and is located within the suburban and mixed-use place type and in the Dulles Selection District. I do want to note that this is a grandfathered application, so I'll be using references from the revised 1993 zoning ordinance with regard to zoning ordinance districts and criteria. The applicants are proposing to further amend the existing approvals for approximately 38 acres of the site in order to decrease non-residential use by 460,000 square feet from 530,000 total to 70,000 square feet, and increased residential units by 524 units, from 299 to 823 units by the addition of 234 single-family attached and 290 multi-family attached units. The applicant is also proposing zoning modifications to increase the percentage of residential uses in the PDTC zoning district from 50% maximum to approximately 90% of gross floor area. To eliminate the requirement for ground floor pedestrian oriented uses in the PDTC core and to allow lots to front open space provided there is private access provided to the rear lots and there's also one minor special exception to reduce the minimum setbacks on our colabullavard as well from 75 feet to 35 feet. This is a view of the proposed CDP. Again the PDTC zoning district establishes town center core and fringe areas to encourage town center style development. The core is intended to consist of vertically integrated mixed uses, pedestrian oriented design and to generate substantial pedestrian activity. While fringe is intended to consist of vertically integrated mixed uses, pedestrian oriented design, and to generate substantial pedestrian activity. While fringe is intended to generally serve as a transition between higher intensity uses in the town center core and the surrounding development. You can see in the core areas there are denoted in yellow and the fringes in green. I want to note that the location of the future commercial land bay is in blue towards the southwest of the site and the location of the affordable housing unit building which is being proposed is just above that. Where my cursor is. Pissar O'Drive, a portion of which is constructed will be extended through the site to connect our co- to our co-able of our two services, Spine of the TC core. In terms of overall design, the applicant is proffering design guidelines which are relatively consistent. In terms of our contextual treatments, high visibility facade standards and street amenity design for the suburban mixed use place type. There are a total of five live work units which are designed to accommodate office or retail space with a separate bathroom and a multi in one of the multifamily attached buildings and to have exterior entrances to either the street or the parking lot. And one integrated commercial core space in the multifamily attached building. They are meeting open space requirements for the place type and they are providing adequate soil volume for all large canopy trees and native landscaping. To touch on landscaping, I do want to note that they are offering an enhanced type B buffer between pending data center and substation uses to consist of a 25 foot wide buffer and with an additional 100 plant units per 100 linear feed for a total of 180 plant units per 100 feet. They are profaring two affordable housing scenarios and the first scenario they are proffering 65 of the multifamily attached units will be AHU's dependent upon light tech funding. Eight multifamily attached will be community workforce units which will be marketed to loud and kind of government and public schools employees. Ten of the single family attached affordable dwelling units in this will be 80 use in this scenario as well as five for sale. Who knows? If flight tech funding is not Received for this project they will provide the zoning ordinance standard six and a quarter of all multi-family attached and That should just be multi-family attached part and 12 and a.5% of all single-family attached is ADUs for Article 7. The second scenario also includes the community workforce units and the unmet housing needs units. Staff has identified outstanding issues with the applications. First among the issues identified is the land use mix, which is not consistent with this program, excuse place type. The 2019 GP supports a preferred land use mix which is 60% residential, 35% non-residential and 5% public civic. The applicant's proposal is not consistent with playing guidance as the amount of residential far exceeds what would otherwise be permissible in the place type. Subsequently staff cannot support the applicant's Z-mod request to accommodate this development proposal and staff is recommending that the applicant re-align the land use for consistency with the playstip policies. Similarly, staff has identified outstanding issues with site design. The suburbumics use playstip supports a vertically integrated mixed-use development. The applicant is proposing little integration of uses with most of the commercial uses separated into a land bay on the southwestern side of the site. Additionally, staff does not support the requested Zee Mod and recommends that stronger commitments to integration of uses be provided on the CDP and in the Prophers. The applicant is proffering two signal-warned studies for two intersections on Pizarro Drive. One is to the north that are Cola Mills Drive and Pizarro Drive and the other at Pizarro Drive and our Cola Boulevard. For both proffers, the applicant is not committing to fully fund innovative signal control if that improvement is found warranted. The applicant is requesting credit against capital facilities fees for costs of about $500,000. If such improvement is found warranted, the countywide transportation plan policy states that the applicant must mitigate the impacts of development and provide improvements if found warranted. Staff does not support the credit and if those facilities are shown as warranted and staff is recommending additional technical revisions to the proffers, staff has identified another issue which is related to the proffers that we has identified another issue which is related to the Prophors that we are still working on clarifying with the applicant related to previously Prophored credits associated with our COLA Center. The applicant has provided a large amount of data for staff to sift through and we are working with them to address how to move forward on a resolution and whether additional mitigation may be needed. The Planning Commission did forward this to the Board with a recommendation of approvals 6-0-2-1 and staff cannot support board approval of the applications due to the outstanding issues that I have discussed in the presentation tonight and further expounded upon in the staff board. I'm happy to take any questions. Mr. Latterno, this is your district. I will go to you first, sir. Yeah, I don't have too many questions, which probably makes sense because I'm the one that's working on the application the most. But I do want to ask one for kind of everybody's clarity. So the section of this application, that's adjacent to the data center uses, maybe you want to go back to that. I think it was, yeah, here. So potential substations. So that is a substation that is a current application pending, I think, now to the Planning Commission, as part of the our GOLA Grove data center, right? That's correct. And the Arcola Grove data center, right? That's correct. And the our goal of growth data center was a previous board approved data center, but it specifically did not include a substation. In fact, I believe a substation was preferred out of that original application, right? That's correct. OK. So the mix of use here obviously is concerning with this potential substation next to the residential. However, as far as this applicant is concerned, there is not an approved substation in this location as of now and that will be up to the board ultimately through this future rezoning. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Croney. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Crowley. Okay. Thank you, Chair Randall. So thank you, Marshall. I sent you an email earlier today about the land use mix. So you note that a large majority of non-residential uses within our COLA center are data center and utility substation uses that don't support the intended land use mix for the SMU place type. If you move the data center and substation usage, what is the use mix within the RCOA center? So what's the percentage? I saw like 59% residential 39% commercial non-residentials. I believe that changes if you move it out. Yes. I will have to do a little bit changes. If you move it out. Yes. I will have to do a little bit of math if you move that out. So the current proposal is for 90% residential, 7% non-residential, and 3% public civic in the ZCPA area. Outside of the ZCPA area, by removing the PDIP's own uses, it is about 95% residential, 1% non-residential, and 4% public civic. If I go to an overall image here, so this is a comparison of the CCPA, the current entitlements essentially. It's a bit difficult to see, but the area referring to is the listed as proposed in this image, but this is reasoned to PDIP and currently has data center and utility substation. The rest of our coal is center, the initial or the original development is right here, part of which is the current application area and then down here to the south, the shops, which became shops and tech is actually separate application. So what part of the 2007 rezoning remains true to the like original concept where there was not data center and utility uses in our call center? So it has changed a bit through time. I would say probably the area that is closest to the original rezoning is the area that's I believe is called the residences which is to the south that developed first. Otherwise, this area up here has changed from the initial as well. Even the original rezoning had public use sites where Elaine Thompson is now. That was originally residential. That public use site shifted a bit. Some of the arcollo quarters were enslaved. Land area has changed slightly. There was a larger civic space. So it's kind of a difficult question to answer and I can provide more graphics at a later date but essentially long story short, residents is to the south as the closest since that is developed. Yeah, so in 2018, 2.3 million square feet of data center was approved and part of that promise was 530,000 square feet of non-residential in the PDTC district. And now what the applicant is asking is to reduce that to 70,000. Is that correct? That's correct. So that area is, again, that's up here, this northern portion. Okay. That's the PDP's. So that was the original And the other question I have is Is there an entitlement for PDIP zoning in the town center area at all? No, there is not there is I think a small portion of the our coal accordance for enslaved that is technically PDIP but that is a civic use site owned by the county. Okay. And then you mentioned that there are issues that needed to be resolved regarding right of way for proper transportation improvements and credit received for improvements completed by others have those been resolved. Those have not. We have the applicant and staff have been working together to kind of sift through some of the information. A call center has gone through a number of changes and a number of proper revisions. So by piecing those together we're trying to figure out where we stand at this moment and we just need a little bit more time. Okay, thank you, Marshall. Mr. Berksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. So this is, oh, it's not working out. That's, is that Google? Yes, ma'am. The whole place is Google. Yes, ma'am. And that was a rezoning? Yes, ma'am. In 2018. That was a rezoning, let's see. 2018. It is 2018. Okay. It It is 2018. Okay. Okay. And what was it originally supposed, what was it originally? So I can go back to one of my hidden slides to show a bit more of the evolution of our Colise Center, which you see on the far left that is the original concept. I got you. Okay. Okay. I do want to know the area that says the Shop's technically that's a separate application. They were developing somewhat in tandem, but it that's a separate application they were developing somewhat in tandem but technically a separate application. Right okay okay and then right about I'm sorry can you go back to that one you had on a second ago? Yes ma'am. Please. Right about yeah right about here there's a sub station correct. There's a substation, correct? That's correct. Okay. And then, oh, the data center, the upcoming application, the Arcola is something, something. It's a by-right data center, and then the substation needs a rezoning. If the substation is not approved, can the data center still get bill? So they would have the entitlement for it. The original Arcola Grove rezoning that approved that was for 614,000 square feet of data center use. So that is what's entitled on the site now. Well, you don't know if they need the substation or not, right? Because- I'm not privy to that information. Oh, he does know, okay. All right. I'll ask my colleague later. And then what are the, you said staff has an issue with the mix of uses. What are the, and I can ask the applicant this if you don't know, but what are the other uses besides residential here? So the other uses proposed with this application? Yes. Right now it is it is essentially a rezoning to add those additional units with 70,000 square feet of commercial under PDTC so that's PDTC zoning allows a lot of neighborhood serving resident or neighborhood serving retail and personal service establishments that type of thing It's intended to serve nearby residential Okay, I'll see I'll see I'll applicant what they're actually putting in there. Thank you. Okay. Okay. We are ready when you are. And you have 10 minutes. I thought you were changing podiums this time to turn change it up on it. Just mess up my hands a little bit. Oh, oh, okay. Good evening, Chair Randall. Members of the Board of Supervisors, my name is Colleen Gillis. I'm going to turn you with your out of partners. I'm joined this evening by James Brothers and David Ramsey with Westbrook Partners. And we're here to talk about this application. So, really talking about this area that's in pink. As Marshall has already described, the entirety, everything that's outlined in yellow is what we think of when we think of Arcola, number of different applications, but as Marshall said, these are applications that were approved in tandem. They were approved together. And so, that's why we think of all of them together. When we think about this property, though, the property was designated for suburban mixed use. Everything in yellow designated for suburban mixed use. So even after the Google campus was approved in 2018, the board approved designating that Google campus for suburban mixed use, even though it was brand new and just barely developing at the time. But as you can see, so much in this area is already developed with commercial uses. So as we talk about the mix and what we're asking for, we need to keep in context how much commercial is really existing here. And in particular, we've put the logos for a number of the retail uses that exist along Loudon County Parkway. You've got sheets, all D, the target which we'll talk about in a couple of minutes, Dicks, Walmart, Ulta, you name it. They are all along Loudon County Parkway and appropriately so because that's where the greatest visibility is. Over the last 10 or so years since Westbrook Partners has been involved in this. They've worked very hard to get commercial uses to the area on the property that we're talking about tonight. And unfortunately all of those commercial users want to be where the best traffic flow is and that's a long-louden county parkway where the center of gravity is already and is committed to be to in the future and so they've had difficulty extreme difficulty getting commercial to be developed in there. This is a summary of the existing approvals. I won't spend a lot of time talking about all of the different existing approvals. Know the slide is here if you've got questions. But I want to point out a couple of things. One, this is a very front-loaded application. For the number of residences that we're talking about. It's pretty miraculous, pretty incredible, that we dedicated the land for the Lane Thompson Elementary School, also the Arcola Quarters for the enslaved, and made significant transportation improvements. Not the least of which is are the transportation improvements to open Delas-West Boulevard and just recently are cul-able of art. Huge important traffic connection here that took traffic away from the intersection of Route 50 and Loudoun County Parkway. This is hugely relieving for the people who live in this area, who travel through this area, and we're really quite proud of it. We also made the improvements to our Colomills Drive in total, $35.5 million in critical transportation infrastructure. So even as the Prophesy profits have been revised over the years and the traffic impacts have been reduced, we have continued to keep a commitment to those original transportation profits, $35.5 million. But perhaps, and Supervisor Laterno can confirm or deny this, perhaps what people are most excited about now is the coming target. And so this gives you a sense for how hard Westbrook has worked. We're really excited. This is going vertical right now, and we're hoping it is open very, very soon. But that's over on the Loud and Kenny Parkway side. What we're talking about here is for the property that's adjacent to our Colable of Art. And what we're asking for is it has been a struggle, an incredible struggle, and we anticipated being a struggle for many, many more years to get commercial development to be located on this property. Prior to us submitting this application, we couldn't submit for residential on this property because it was within the 65 LDN. This property is no longer within the 65 LDN. It's within the 60 LDN and it's part of the reason why it opened the door to asking for residential here. We are not eliminating all of the commercial development here. What we think is viable and reasonable is 70,000 square feet of commercial development. Let's talk a little bit about the product mix. When we got to the Planning Commission, we had a number of two over two is part of the project. Excuse me, Commissioner Maderetti and his colleague said we don't want two over two's that's not what's appropriate in this district and what you see here tonight is an application that has eliminated all two over two's. We're going to mix a single family attached town home product. We've got a commitment to a minimum number of 16 foot wide town homes knowing that that's an inherently affordable product. And then we've also got apartments, for rent apartments, of which a minimum 50% of them will be one bedroom apartment. They are not, you know, they are not at ADUs, they're not designated like that, but they'll be 50% of them will be one bedrooms and we're proud of that. And then we've got a 65 unit light tech building in that orange area there. In total this project has more than 15% affordable housing as part of it. 80 units are in total affordable, 65 or light tech, 10 are four sale ADUs within the town homes and then we've got five unmet housing these units that are in the town homes as well. Those unus are designated for families making between 70 and 100 percent AMI. This gives you a sense for what it's going to look like on the ground. This is Pizarro Drive. You've probably been on Pizarro Drive if you've ever gone and visited a Lane Thompson Elementary, but this is the spine road that will run through the center of the project. What you can see from this, wide sidewalks, great two lane road with some on street parking. This is looking southbound on Pizarro Drive and not only is it great pedestrian activity, one of the things that I think is really unique about this project is that we've put the open space in front. So often those buildings are right up against the back of curb. It's tight and what we've tried to do here is create a linear park. That linear park is wide enough for people to throw a frisbee, kick a soccer ball, but we think it creates a really nice blend of an urban and suburban environment. So one of the questions is so great. You're keeping 70,000 square feet of commercial, what would it look like? And what we've conceived conceived of here we don't think we can compete necessarily with the sorts of retail that would want to co-locate with a target or near a long loud and Kenny Parkway what we think is appropriate here is an eater team in or some sort of vibrant sort of environment where people come out have a beer listen to live music and we're a team. I like this. Thank you. I didn't make it up, but I'm just saying it tonight. Um, and one of the things that we're proposing to do is that red barn that you see in that image there is actually a historic barn that Clydes' restaurant group owns. And we would buy that barn from Clydes' restaurant group, set it up here to start to create a sense of place for this type of environment. That could be programmed by the developer, by the HOA. You can see that there are food trucks there. There's a lot of opportunity here. And we think that something like this that would not be appropriate in that target anchored shopping center could actually thrive in this location and be an incredible amenity for the residents of the Dallas District. Additionally, our apartment provider, our partner has a partnership itself with a group called Land of a Thousand Hills Coffee. And so what Crescent Communities does is they have partnered with a network of Rwandan coffee farming communities and they take their coffee and sell it for sale, retail environment in their apartment buildings. And so as opposed to asking an apartment builder to go out and rent to Starbucks or PEETS, it's actually part of their pro forma. And that creates a third space. What you can see here is that picture of that third space. You got a coffee shop, you got a co-working place, some place for people to gather. And that is up against our colabullavard. We paid attention to the open spaces as well. This is an open space in the northeast corner, great looking open space, not much to say here, but in the back of that, you see this signage. This signage we're particularly proud of because it leads us to the Arcola Quarters for the enslaved. So this is a site that's already been dedicated and are already owned by the county, but what we're trying to do is weave in with the fabric of our community. You can see that there are trails that go from our property onto the Arcola Quarters for the enslaved and our dream is that folks who live in our community will use those pedestrian paths and be reminded of our history in Loudon County and be reminded of that experience for those who lived in that space as opposed to just on a field trip or maybe on a one-off day that it actually becomes part of the experience of those who live in our cola. This is our clubhouse. The clubhouse will be available and a pool. There's a pool behind it. You can't see it in this image, or the pool exists there today. This will be available to everybody in the community, except for those who live in the apartments, because they will have their own pool and meeting space. Supervisor LeTerno identified to us in the process of discussing this application. And I want to thank him for his leadership in working with us and getting this application and I want to thank him for his leadership in working with us and getting this application to where it is right now. But he identified to us that there is a significant missing trail connection north of our property off site to our property and asked if we would consider completing this trail connection because it was missed when this section of our cola boulevard was constructed. And we have added this to the proffers. As we understand from Supervisor Licherno, a lot of people walk in this area and really miss and have identified to his office that that segment is missing. In total, we've got a lot of different proffers here. We're particularly proud of this application. We know it's a change here, but we think that this completes and activates the entire Arcola community, and we're proud of the 15 plus percent affordable housing. We're proud of the traffic signals that we're constructing without credit. We're proud of the contributions to the Arcola Quoters for the enslaved. We're proud of the out of the box thinking with regard to retail, and I'm happy to answer any questions. My appreciated gave her a little more time because I interrupted her with either payment. I still tried to come in two seconds left. There. All right, questions for Ms. Gill, Ms. Lattano. Yeah, so I do want to just hone in on one of the outstanding staff issues, which is the sort of concern that the commercial area is not mixed into the community. So I pushed you to come up with something a little bit different, and I sent you to two silos in Prince William County to look at, which is an eater tamon type of venue. It's a music venue, it's a brewery, and so on. And you kind of came back with this proposal. So this barn, I believe, and correct me, we have seen before as part of Hyde Park. Is that right? Yes. Yeah, you all remember Hyde Park, which went data center. That's the same barn, though. Yes. And so that was also Westbrook. So that would come here. The reason why you all ended up putting kind of the commercial space, although there is some ground floor in kind of this area, though, is because I asked you to sort of come up with this concept of utilizing something different here. Absolutely. Absolutely. And what we love about it is that as you know, Supervisor Luterno, it's difficult to get new tenants to come and to put their money where their mouth is. We're hoping that with this space and they start to see the population in your district and Supervisor Tricroney's district, frequenting this location that it starts to create a buzz that actually shows the viability of retail in this corner of Loutland County. Okay. That's not a Okay. I have a question. I have a rest of my comments on the motion. Okay. Supervisor Triconi? Yeah. Thank you. Vice Chair Brisbane. So I have a question about the commercial. Great. So is it only in that one land bay? It is only in that one land bay. Well, let me put it this way. The commercial, the 70,000 square feet of commercial is in that land bay, but there is a commitment in the ground floor of the apartment buildings for that land of 1000 hills coffee concept. So that is not just a coffee shop for those tenets of that apartment building complex. That will be open to the public and quite frankly, pressing communities would love everybody to come and use it because it helps sustain that. That's another, what we think of as proof of concept opportunity, right, that if it's successful and it gets used, we can continue to sell that to other tenants and other retailers. So is that just one on the ground floor? What are the live work units then? What are those? So live work units are units within the apartment building that are facilitating somebody having maybe in its rental, right? Somebody having a, maybe it's a psychology or therapy practice, a dietician practice, maybe something along those lines. And we're trying to facilitate that sort of integration of living and working in the same place. Okay. You mentioned 16, you have a few 16-foot town homes. Yeah. How many do you have in there? We've proffered to a minimum of 18. 18. And what we're showing on that slide is 24. But obviously this isn't a fully engineer plan. But we've proffered to a minimum of 18 of them. And they could be more depending. Okay, and how many, the 16th foot, how many, what's the square footage, the maximum? Do you know? The maximum, the 2000. It's like 1600 to 2000. Okay. And how many, one bedroom? I saw 50 50% of our apartments and 50% of our market rate apartments. The bedroom mix within the light tech will be what that's going to be but it's 50% of our market rate apartments which if I'm doing my math correctly is roughly 115. And then 12. Okay. And then I'm going to go on to transportation. So the if beta requires an innovative transportation solution at those intersections, would you be willing to pay for this improvement versus getting a credit against capital facilities? but all facilities. So a couple of things. One, with all of the work that was just recently done to widen our Colomills Drive and improve our Colomills Drive, David Ramsey with Westbrook was, um, the, gain a couple of gray hairs doing that. It knows that the, that, that area is incredibly tight with easements, with utilities, with all of those things. And so that's what the concern is. The concern is is not building the improvement itself. It's really all of the costs that would come with relocating utilities and acquiring from a variety of different property owners. We did have to acquire some offsite right of way when we built our colon mills drive. And David will tell you, it lengthened the process. It cost more money. And that was a big, big challenge. And so our point is, is that if V.com comes back and says we want you to do, we don't want to have a million dollar signal here. We instead want to round about, that could easily be a five or six million dollar hit to the pro forma with all of those sorts of things. We would hope that the county would step in, supervisor perhaps, let her know with step in and say, it's not what we want, that's not how we want this to operate, but not having that assurance and because we couldn't have the conversation at this point with VDOT, we have to be in a situation to protect ourselves. And that's the reason for it. Mr. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I had the opportunity to drive down to this area last week. Check out a couple of application sites and I was teasing Supervisor Luterner like this area just feels schizophrenic to me. I think maybe the 65LDN is a little bit of an explanation. But, you know, I always say, Colleen, you could sell an umbrella to a bad water ultra marathoner. I don't even know what that is, but, hey, on. I'll tell you later. But, is anyone leasing the barn yet? No, it's not constructed. So, it's in storage right now in Vermont. So, we would purchase it and transport it down here and set it up. And so nobody's leasing it. Would the barn have any community space in it or is it strictly commercial? No, we're still figuring out how it would be available for rent. The question is whether or not we would rent it as the developer or whether or not we would the it would, the HOA would want to be in that business, but we are thinking it's a community amenity. Okay. Can you go back to the slide that had the trail commitment on at the yellow line? Yeah. Please, okay, right there. So Colleen, you and I talked about this. The Google substation is right here. And your multi-family light tech building, I guess, is right here. And it's four stories. So light tech is actually. You can go to the other one if you want. So do you see the row of trees, the line of trees within our site? Okay. If you can kind of see how Pizarro will content, yeah, it's kind of great, yeah, there you go. There's Pizarro connected all the way to that road there. Exactly. The light tech building is pretty much the trees to the right of Pizarro. Go to the other side. Yep, that's where the light-Tick building is, right? Yeah. But there's an apartment building. That is exactly. But two things to know, and I'll go back to the image. Keep that in your mind, and I'll go back to the image. So my concern is the substation, right? Not that substation. Not that substation. That's the Google substation. Right. So when I drove by this substation, I mean, it's not screened at all. I don't know if it's finished, but it is not screened at all. So the Google substation is, if you will, roughly where the word zcpa is in the white box. It's from the word zcpa up to the top left corner of that box. It's not direct, so in the words, go to the right. It's off the picture. Yeah. Oh, here. It's over there. Exactly. Now, nevertheless, supervisor briskman, if you, and I wish I had my clicker, but I'm using the keyboard tonight, I wish I could show you. But you see that the Yod-Yod drive continues and it runs on'm gonna run out of time. You've been out, okay? Oh, whoops. Yeah. Okay, I'm hoping I can do this. I'm just letting the thing use a rancer. But she... Don't put in your eye. I'm not gonna put in my eye. I'm not gonna do this. It's not turning on. So something should be doing differently. It's okay. your time's up. We all see a drive now. I will just say this. On the right side of Yadrive, on the quarters for the enslaved site, we are doing reforestation. There are one acre of reforestation as well. There will be additional trees screening that will buffer, if you will, those apartment buildings from the view of that substation and it's all gonna be planted on county property. Okay, thank you. It's such a day job, a moment. And because this is, I totally forgot that we had talked about this piece of property forever ago. This seems like there's a lot of work to do in this application still and I'm gonna let Miss LaTerno do a lot of the work and see where it lands and see where it goes. My only question is, are you for the affordable or attainable? Is it all at 70% AMI? Because that's really high. Is it? Is that just a light tech building? We don't have designations. We don't have a light tech partner on our light tech building. So we have not added language in there. We're open to having a conversation, and we'll talk to people that we know that are in the light tech industry. But there is no income limitations on the light tech building for the ADUs. That's 30% to 70%. And then five onus are at 70% that's 30 to 70% and then five unos are at 70 to 100% and so that's because they're four sale units you know I understand yeah that's actually not bad and you and we just don't know about light tech yet we don't yeah we don't okay that's okay until we got here tonight we hadn't gotten the question nobody's asked us what those in the oh you know I'm gonna ask I know that but that that that's a fair answer for now and then I'll wait and see how kind of shakes out as you guys work on it a little more. There are rules as to what the light text spread needs to be. So 20% of those units need to be below 20% AMI, 40% need to be below 40 or below 60 and then 40% can be above that. I thought the first one was below 30. Is it below 20? I thought it was 30. We'll look into it. Either way, I like below 20 better. So that's how to live out with me. No, that's a good answer. And all, like I said, I think there's more work to be done. The application, I'll just monitor and see how it's going. Great. Thank you. I don't see how it's going. Is there any members of the pubs that would like to speak on this item? Do we, did you, I know, but did you feel other piece? I see. Okay. Good evening. We would like to introduce yourself. Yes. Good evening, everyone. Thanks for this opportunity And this is my first time and this is a first experience for me. It's completely new Welcome to the board and we're gonna stop your time and start it again because I didn't give you enough time Yeah, my name is not working Just give us a second to make sure your time is correct. All right. We're good now sure my name is Nareem I'm currently resident of Farcola Tone Centre and I'm happy to see the dollar per steam everyone here. I missed our prior meeting in the town hall thing. Couple of things which I want to bring up here is about the parking. I know they have immense upcoming plan in terms of apartments and town homes. So I just want to understand where does the parking comes for the apartment building? Is it like open, like what you call open parking or like a surface parking or like a garage, like any number of floors? So you have to, like, if you don't stop, it's time for a sec. You have to direct your comments to us. Okay, I'm sorry. Because if you're not, you're not going to be able to be heard if you're not speaking directly into the microphone. Thank you. All right, start of time again. Thank you. Yeah, sure. to understand, I mean, the apartment parking is it like a surface or the garage. And next thing is, currently we have a clubhouse, it's really beautiful, no doubt about it. But we have it right now, a two-level condos on the same, the other side of the road to the clubhouse, where we have parking congested at this moment. So the clubhouse is so huge, like around 3000 square feet in like a building square feet itself. So it's definitely a good space to host some parties. Whereas the parking is a little tough. On the school, on the Pesaro Drive, right on the school. We have maybe around nine to ten parking spots that includes two physically handicapped ones. And there is an adjacent road which is heading towards condos like a two level condos. and we were being identified, those street was parking belongs to the club os. But honestly at this moment being a two level condos they have only one car garage and most likely residents will be parking on the street which we cannot complain on that being a resident as a first priority than the club hosts. So to us, I mean, we have a very limited space for the club hosts to host even a small party in the evening time. Daytime definitely might not be a big problem, but we are not at their yet, but that's one thing. Third thing is... Oh, I'm so sorry. We don't have time for the last. Lastly, lastly. No, no. We don't have time for the third thing right now. You had a time, you're literally at a time. But what you could do is. Madam Chair, Mr. Parker, my staff can chat with you. Yeah, that's what's good here. Tom, raise your hand. There you go. That gentleman right back there. He's gonna take your name and talk with you from here, but your time is up. I'm sorry. Thank you so much. Those are great comments. So thank you. Thank you. Thanks for the one. And we have one person who is remote. Can we get him on the line? Is that possible? Hi, my name's Xasavasva. Can everyone hear me? Okay. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to go to the committee. I'm going to run right now in the area that we're talking about. And I appreciate everything the developers are doing in terms of widening the roads, making sure that the data center and the substations are screened. But I do feel like it is a missed opportunity for these wide roads and for all of this access ways to not really have access to any sort of, I guess, commercial use or commercial real estate while I understand the concerns with the upcoming target and all those other businesses in the area. I do think this is a prime opportunity to not just use an entertainment company, but with fantastic words. But build something more akin to like the talent that you see in Ovea or in the rest of the way you can really build up the environment, build up the commercial footprint to really leverage everything that brings to there. So I'm not going to waste too much more of your time. Thank you for the opportunity. Good. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much, sir. Siobhan's a little turner, would you like to make a motion? Yes. I move the Board of Supervisors forward. Legi 2023 0030, our co-lotown center residential, ZCPA 2022, triple zero one, Zmod 2022, double zero 13, Zmod 2022, the 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th 12th a macro, I've looked at the parking extensively with the applicant. You all know me on parking. So I'm comfortable with how they're parked. We can look at this clubhouse issue specifically offline after this meeting and get a little bit more information from speakers. Look, it's never great when you're in a situation where you have a long-term plan that included a lot of commercial and you're abandoning that. But the reality is this site is internal essentially to this area. It's next to the elementary school that was built. It is not on Loudon County Parkway, it is not on Route 50. And Lord knows I have been trying my entire time on the board to get major commercial developments underway in those locations which have really great visibility and great access. And we do have several approved projects that are moving forward at various stages that will bring some of that environment that mimics more of a mosaic. But the reality is this is not what this is gonna be. And truthfully, when you look at the development pattern here, you know, quite frankly, a lot of these type of parcels are coming forward to us as requests to do data center. And the applicant could have made that argument because, as you can see in the map there, there's data centers very close. But they didn't do that. Now they have plenty of data centers. They're their data centers. And this was a situation where there was an existing amount of by-right data center, the board allowed a little bit more. And we did get that spine in the middle, our coloble of our built as a result, which is being heavily used by the public to the point where we're going back and forth with VDOT on trying to get the signal timing suggested to allow more time for it because residents it's backing up a pretty good distance at Route 50 and at Lawn County Parkway. But when you look at the totality of the package here, you have really solid design guidelines. The concept on the apartment is something a little bit different with the ground floor coffee bar. The historic barn, I think if it's done correctly, could be really something neat for the whole community to use, not just the residents here at our Cola Center, but the entire Delos South area. There's eight recreational amenity spaces, tree conservation area, the way it's integrated into the Arcola quarters for the enslaved is kind of really, like, makes that county projects just sort of brings it to life and makes it accessible, which I think puts it to use in a way that will actually get people there and being there and kind of using it as a recreational and an addition to a historical one and when we can learn from. So there's a lot of positives here and I do appreciate all the work the applicant has done and you know we're hopefully just get this across the finish line addressing a few of these other issues tonight but I think we're in pretty good shape with this. Mr. Crowley. Thank you, Chair Randall. I've lived in Dulles South for too long. I remember in 2007 when our colis center was approved. We were really excited that it was going to be a gateway to 50. We were going to have high-end retail and restaurants. You can't even partners described it as another Fairfax corner. And kind of a needed pedestrian main street in Dallas, South. This didn't happen as we all know because in 2018, 2.3 million square feet of data center was approved right in the middle of the community. So it really cannibalized that whole vision and changed it. And I liked what that gentleman said on the phone. I do think there's an opportunity to have a little more. I do think we could have supportive retail. I mean, this is kind of a town center PDTC area and small businesses. And focus on small businesses down on the first floor where the town center is. I think there could be an opportunity there. I don't want to give up on more commercial for the community because I think the community's been waiting a long time and they really gave up that center portion which was supposed to be a nice central park in Main Street for that Google Data Center thinking they were going to get 530,000 square feet of commercial. I think going to 70,000 is too low. So in my view, I'd like to see more of the promise. And I know you've been working on it. I know Supervisor Luternos has been working on it. But we don't have any, we don't really have much retail and restaurants and an old Arcola residential is coming so there will be more rooftops coming to support more retail. And Yudd Road is coming in fact back when our Cola Center was first coming through a group of residents asked for Y red so there was an inter parcel connection with the old R. Colour School, with the historic school. All of those Winsbury community and old R. Colour, there will be more rooftops. I believe to support more of the non-residential the commercial. Maybe I would encourage you to dig a little deeper and increase that percentage because the mix right now seems like a lot of residential and data center so thank you I'm not talking about that. Yeah. Should I go closer? Yeah, just certainly, obviously, we can continue to talk about that. The only thing I would say to Supervisor Croni's point is the problem isn't that we haven't approved commercial restaurants, all that. It's that it hasn't been built. And I guess my point is it hasn't been built in locations that quite frankly are more favorable for it than this is. So I found the argument of the applicant a little bit more plausible than I sometimes do because we're working to try to keep Delos landing afloat, where obviously we want this new Arcola Center shops section with target as an anchor to continue to grow. If there's maybe a little bit more ground floor that we could do integrated here in some way, maybe that addresses the subresor to Crony's concern. But like Macro, I don't know that we're gonna be able to move the needle a huge amount on this just because of the reality of how it's developed on the ground. And I don't wanna be in a position of saying, oh, it's not a data center, so we should love it. But in this particular area, as you see the development pattern, I really, really push for high quality design and a high quality thoughtful kind of environment here because it really needs it in this area. And I think that they've largely accomplished that. Okay, Mr. Latterno made the motion to move it to the October 18th meeting. I think it was that second by Ms. Best of Brisbane's at right. Okay. All right, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass six. No, seven, seven, zero, two. With Mr. Turner and Mr. Kirschner have been left the days. Thank you. We are finished. Thanks so much. Everybody, we are adjourned.