All right. Good evening, everyone. I mean, we'll call the order at 630. We are calling to order the regular heat city council meeting January 28, 2025 at 630 PM. If you would all rise for the invocation and the pledge allegiance, please. Let's bow our heads. Dear Father Jesus, we're just so grateful tonight of our servicemen and women and the hard work that they put in and our wonderful staff. If Father I'm just reminded by your word in Isaiah 4110, that it says that you strengthen us and that you will help us and that you will hold us with your righteous hand. Father, that's just a great reminder that that you are with us. And I pray for our children. There's a flu and sickness going around and I just pray that you you heal our citizens and you just be with us tonight. So we make decisions not only that's best for the citizens, but also decisions that reflect your goodness and that I just pray that we honor you tonight. Thank you Jesus for for Donut on the Cross and your precious name we pray amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in the invisible with liberty and justice for all. All right. Thank you, Councilman Mormons. We almost had church there. Yep. Thank you. That's great. All right. Moving into agenda item number two. This is our public comment section. Mr. Dell. We have none. We have none. All right. Very well. We'll move into agenda item number three. This is our city manager comments and council comments. Mr. Dell. Thank you. I just have a handful of quick announcements and thanks and recognitions. First of all, last weekend, there was a lot of discussion on social media and in the news about a girl who went missing from a Heath neighborhood. And I know we all owe a huge thank you to our amazing DPS officers and command staff for working around the clock to locate her and bring her home safely. So we're grateful for that. And the arena of announcements, there will not be a planning and zoning commission meeting next Tuesday, February 4th, as the commission does not have any cases to cover. There also will not be a city council meeting on Tuesday, February 11th, because a forum of the city council will be in Austin for Rockwell County days. And then the Heart of Heath 5K with the Town Center Park underway under construction, folks are probably wondering what will happen with the Heart of Heath 5K and we just wanna let everyone know that this event will go on as planned on the date that we always do at the Saturday of Easter, which this year is Saturday, April 19th. However, the location obviously will be different. We'll be doing the 5K on Chris Cuny Drive in the reserve and we'll be circulating a lot more details and sign up information as that event approaches. Monday, February 17th is President's Day and it's a federal holiday, so City Hall will be closed that day. Finally, some recognitions. We had a swearing-in ceremony on Friday, January 24th for two DPS officers who graduated the Academy last week. We want to welcome to duty officer Hesh and officer Pritchett And thank you all to everyone who was able to attend that ceremony. Finally, Tara Plexico, our assistant director of finance and Mike Schuch, our assistant director of public works, successfully secured over $100,000 in a FEMA grant reimbursement for last year's Texas storm labeled disaster storm DR4781. Their hard work and dedication in securing that grant has provided some critical funds back into our budget and those funds of course were used for the recovery that our citizens participated in during that storm back in May. So we're grateful for that grant and their hard work to secure it. Very good. Very well. Council, anything for comments for you? All right. Very well. I would echo that. Chief, thank you guys and your captains for your hard work and your constant communication with myself and many others and working with that family. So I do know that that was that kind of hit social media and it was a big red alert. And you guys were already on it and already working it. And so a big thank you on behalf of the council and the entire city and especially that family. So, and I do echo too, it was great to be here. So these council members to be here for that swearing and to have these two officers join our team. They did a whole lot of work to get there. So we're happy to see that that come into fruition. So, all right, at this time, we'll move into agenda item number four. This is our consent agenda. So consent agenda retains to a number of items. I will go through and read all of them. Four A is our meeting minutes. Four B is the general election that's going to be coming up. And so that election up and then we have 4C is additionally with the joint election and getting that set up for that general election 4D is the action and resolution authorizing the Mayor to execute the contract for the joint election services also with Kaufman County and Rockwell County. And then for E is action regarding the receipt of our annual racial profiling report by Chief Siri 4.F is action regarding the purchase of outdoor warning sirens. And as a reminder too, we we did have we did have a local developer, which is Ryan Joyce properties that's actually assisted with putting the brain of that siren system in as well as the siren and then also what we've budgeted for a siren system for outdoor. And since we are a premier outdoor lifestyle community, it's going to be pretty exciting that we have outdoor sirens for emergencies. 4.G is actually regarding a change order for Darrystates Waterline replacement. Fordot H is an action regarding the waste connections and an increase in their provisions on, I believe it's a 2% increase for their rate fees. 4.I is actually regarding an ordinance. And this is really correcting a scrivener's error in the ordinance to make sure that the term limits are not retroactive. So that was a correction that legal had identified and then 4.J. This is the case number ZTA 202404. And this had to pertain to fences. And if you guys remember, we did make a motion. I think it was Councilman Weaver made a great motion and gave some some very specific language. And you'll have those updated in your ordinance broken down in your separate packet there. So if there are no questions or wanting to pull any items out, then at this time the chair will open the floor to entertain a motion on the consent agenda. I'll get one clarity. Okay. The corrections to the fence ordinance. All the council has been presented that tonight. No need to pull that from the consent. Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. Okay. We have a motion on the floor to approve the consent agenda. Do we have a second? Second. Okay. We have a second by Councilman Rufo. So the motion moves. All those are favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed. All right. The gas is unanimously. Thank you. Okay. Moving into agenda item number five. These are our items for individual consideration.. A is to update Regarding the water bridge plan and water feasibility study mr. Green Hello mayor counts. Hey, I know it's kind of y'all Great. Thank you But I don't know it's the next that to die on the puppy doing. Are you good? There you go. Okay. This is the update of the Heath Bridge plan. We'll do the SPI. Yeah. So this is kind of an overview of what we've already discussed. You know, we've commissioned with a Granthamian Associates late and they're doing a feasibility study on our water bridge plan. And this is an update on where we are. As you know, we're still taking water from the city of Rock Wall. We're still on on our 2021 contract 6 million gallons. It's 5.5 6 million on the email gives us the extra 500,000 in the summer or current water demands are hard. Stringing was on that number and we're looking to alleviate that by some sort of capacity enhancement. And then enhancement has been, uh, uh, smooth. What is it within the proof? Yeah. some sort of capacity enhancement. And then enhancement has been, smooth and forward, within the approved CIP was through storage and through well capacity. Is what we decided to land on. There's a 1.5 million gallon storage tank in Heathcock in Yacht, which was always intended in the master water plan. We're just going to go ahead and build that and and bring that capacity online. It's well number one in the city park, not here. And then the other there's four more wells that North Tower at the pump station possibly on some city land up up on this end of town. and I'm going to come to the other right here just a second. Back yard. My backyard. Yeah. It's a long run. We can do that. The three million gallon GST that was designed and. Did you say you're backing out? And the design week. It would be. It would be. Water. Then we had to purchase out. The 3 million gallon would put that on pause until we determine what's going to happen on that area. This was the the CIP that's last adopted. There will be some if we proceed with this or think it goes like we think it will when we come back, we'll have to adjust that and bring that back before council formal modification. The proposed changes that we did last time, that I could say we rude to three million ground storage tank. We had well number one, there we go, well number two in the North of Water Tower, well number three was the heat drop in the water side and the same as the water tower,, which makes sense. One of the fours at the heat pump station in five and six possible city properties we would have to discuss and that thought is right now it's a sore-run cune. Obviously, we have that big area. And then the one and point five million gallon EST that will be storage of heat cauldron yacht. Again, these have not been formalized in the CIP due to the new study underway. All right, well number one currently, the bid openings. So we went ahead and bid bid it out. Even though we don't have TCU comments back yet. TCU comments are due February 3rd. We had preliminary comments and they came in and they were just mysterious. Like can we see the the actual D documents where you're on the lane and you're wanting to drill the well and can you make where the gravel pack on the plans is more legible. It was all stuff that it was not anything that drew up in red flags or anything that had to do with design or you know you really want to well or anything like that it was it was a it was a really good sign. So we expect this to come back on the third, we're supplying them with our D document. So we've shown them, and we do indeed own the property and expect to have that by the third be confirmed. And we'll be able to open the bins on the sixth, which will be helpful. We'll get some real hard data on what the cost of this is gonna be, which will help with our OPC. See, for what is the total cost of this when we get rid of bringing the bond back to you guys in the pool. You're talking in covenants. I'm sorry. Official opinion of commercial cost. I'm sorry, yes, official probable cost. It's not the actual probable cost. The opinion of probable cost, yeah'm sorry, yes. Fish are probable costs. Opinion of probable cost. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I guess. So the opinion of probable construction cost? Richard? Okay. It sounds good. Anyways, they'll be able to get you an estimate when we think it's going to cost better based off what we get these bits coming because these wells will all be extremely similar in the same depths of the same size. We would think the same process with the part. Design the part, you know, get a opinion of the public cost. That way you have something to budget. Exactly. And so, and that'll also be, We got to have that cost so we can bring the bond back to you guys. We're going to need this much money to do this bridge plan. And then how does... So and that also we, you know, we got to have that cost so we can bring the bond back to you guys. Hey, we're going to need this much money to do this bridge bridge plan and the end. How does that factor into our right steady? So Brian, well, say we're bringing a proposal back that allows us to look at some of this in parallel because sequentially just does it. It's, it's not very far cut. in parallel, some of these wells, you know, I would certainly like to entertain and take a look at what would the bond look like to enable us to move quicker into this more formidable wall. So if you go back to, you see, we had dates in here. So we had originally, this was the original plan that we had dates built into the CIP where well water number two was designed and built in this year. So we would start the design. Well number one's already been designed and now we're starting the build process that's what we've been at out for. And then well number three, both would be done in this fiscal year. The proposed changes, what we discussed, what it was to do those as soon as we could. In other words, don't tie them to a fiscal year. go ahead and fund them with the bond and as as quick as workload and design would allow us put them in. Five and six were a little more tricky because of the locations and that that was the only two we really were a little bit itchy on how far we'd have to push out because we ended up having to move those with our property acquisition and that would delay the process. And there's may be some issues there because if you're not near a tank, we're going to have issues of how we blend that water and then where you put the treatment facilities. So with the potential full-on-school sale and expansion, how does that impact our ability to and the proper that we have on putting a pump there that in co-location that that. Yeah, that's what we had there. We have a building there that has a big awning on it. I don't see us having an issue of getting a well there. I think we would take up some of the buildings by putting the treatment facilities in there. So we lose a little bit of storage space within our current footprint. Within our current footprint. But we're building a regular public work facility. It was five days in it. So you're right now I sewer trucks over there and the generators and I have a place for that. So we can drop a well in one of those bays. We can just can we can drop well right outside one of those bays. All right. The treatment facilities inside one of them. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. And then Brian. Sir. The well number one over here in the park. That's being fully funded by the park. That is already been scrunged by the utility reserve fund. Y'all voted to fund that, the reserve fund, and it's already been scrunged by the utility reserve funding. Y'all voted to fund that the reserve fund and it's already been fine. All right, very good. Thank you. The heat golf and yacht one point one point five minute gallon elevated storage tank is currently we're gonna we're gonna seek our cues to go out for design on that. So we expect to have those out in March. And we'll be bringing someone to you right after that to recommend that we contract with design. So curious is this all coming out of the same aquifer? All of our wells are intended to come out of the same aquifer. Yeah, we believe that the lower Trinity has a more quality water than there's another one that does have some ability to produce what I would say is usable capacities. But from everything we're hearing from the well-gillers, that is of a lower quality water and is not suitable suitable and a lower capacity. It is a lower capacity as well. But you drill a shower so it's a little less expensive. Right. And so and our neighbors to over here in the Chisholm actually drilled dual wells. They drilled one in a lower Trinity and they drilled one in the Plaski in are blending them for their lower system. That is their intent. Okay. So I don't know if that's so they can drill them close together and have the same footprint and don't have to work with the drawdown overlapping because they're technically in different awkwardness. I suspect that's why they don't have to do it a lot. Like you put two wells on one line because they're in their stature. And when you're talking about quality, you're talking about contaminants? You're talking about... No, so when, well, you know, to tell me, to me, if you're talking about something that would be pathogenic or something like that, no, it would be less than palatable with sodium content or a common mineral content or a contraption. Or, you know or extremely high hardness things like that where you have you know cast them precipitating and your in your faucets and things like that they're trying to avoid that I'm sure. The schedule is that I can plainly give it to you is the council awarded the rich land and grants and associates back in December. The scope of that plan they gave us was four months starting in December so that gives them until March to get them an expected completion on giving us the estimated cost and feasibility study. After the study will utilize those costs that they provide and bring those to council to put together upon that we we have bond council sitting in the wings waiting to do that and we'll bring that to the council at that point to To hopefully pass and you all award the bond. We expect to fully fund that and we'll go ahead and get started and things under design at that point. Brian and Jay, what's the probability of getting some grant funding for this? I noticed in the current legislative agenda, there's a line item there and in some of the candidates that we're interviewing for city manager, some have a history of securing grant money for their water programs and wastewater treatment that they've done in their cities as well. I just want to make sure that we're turning over every rock and looking for money to help offset the cost of the bond and the impact on our citizens. Yeah, we, we actually might be talked with the PXDB. Yeah. Texas Water Development Board. Yeah. We have spoke with them. And there is funding available. I think that would, would suit heat. I don't know. Some of them we would not, we would not be forgivable loans or things like that because we store very low in that, how they store it. And that's because of our absolute community. But the further there is funding available, that we could seek through zero interest or low interest loans, particularly. You're eating the loans, not the forgivable loans. Correct. But the interest rate would be about 1% lower than what more it is now, but we know the only thing is it's open is this time. In the term. The third volume. Yeah. Repayment term is a similar or is it a shorter repayment term? It's typically 20 years. Yeah I suggest that's 20. You're going to do a clean water lack accurate, I guess. When I was. I just think it may be worth taking a look out with some federal and or state related grant agencies. You know, I don't think we have a ton of grant experience here in the city of heat, but there are groups and organizations that that's all they do, is they hunt for grants and they increase your probability of success. I just like to see us turn over that rock again, so that our citizens don't have to bear the full weight of the bond that it's going to take to spin up multiple wells, towards facilities and everything else. So there are grant writers that will pursue these things, And if you don't get them, you know, they work on contingency. The same thing might there's no sign of. If you would like, if it's counsel's direction, you'll like us to pursue that and bring you back. I certainly can do it. I think it needs to be proposal is that it should be a component of the plan that you bring back. I cannot say no, that's just one person's opinion. It's this board's decision, but that's, everybody's gonna hit it, so I'm excited to say that. Which I would like to say. Yeah, there's no action on this item, but I think it's a great direction. Yeah, I don't think the council, as a whole, we don't wanna see anything. Yeah, we can we can do it's right. Mm-hmm. Very good. And these bonds are utility bonds? Yeah, so that do this. Great. Mm-hmm. Very good. And these bonds are utility bonds? Yeah, so I would have Jay speak to that. You need to talk more about that they are. They're going to be under base on your rate. So they would be banked in your rate study, which is something else. We're waiting to bring to you, but this bond's kind of holding this up. When you're the Buffalo Creek Interceptor, there was a bond for that. And actually, I think it is the bulk of our rates is paying that back. It looked like to me when I was looking at those rates. So this one doesn't appear to impact it near his ban, means that one get it. What do we estimate the timeline for drilling will never one? And I'm asking because. So go ahead and improve more wells. I'd love to see that our functional. That's part of the feasibility part, right? Yeah. So if we're opening the it's the six that can be awarded within a week or two after that, we will have to probably bring that to council. Have that that in the industry. So you're looking at where 25th on the first council meeting for that. After that, that'd be released for release for construction. But I don't know what the real fielders time frame is where they're located at now. What we've been telling them was we'd like to see test water by July. And that's not only test on metabolic content but also capacity. That's It will be, well, Maybe is the answer to that. So they'll cool water up when they drill. And then once they set the pump, the permanent pump, there would be a test run on the end. But I don't know that originally you'll get your test pump running. Right. It may be on that. I don't want to tell you a story. I don't know. But Helen Wilkeson is really in on them to have serious capacity coming so they can water this part by bog. Yeah. They're concerned that after that, their landscape will be in January. OK. Thank you. OK. Very well. The next one's button. Yeah, okay, and I thought going to ask you to be in January. Okay, thank you. Okay, very well. The next one's button. And you all jump in. No, it's okay. And I thought it was good. I thought they were great questions. So I thought it was a good open dialogue. Are there any further questions that the council may have staff? Yeah, so were we on the other water study we had and how much of that do we spend no much is left over to the sun. I don't have that information. I would have to defer to Jay or I don't know J we can get that to you. So you guys didn't see that my list of questions? I did see it and I apologize I did not have a chance to get you know. And then I also mentioned my list of questions we'd be good to incorporate that information with this study. So whatever money we did spend, at least as utilized the best part of ability, don't necessarily want to pay some consultant, but even staff as our city reporter could include information from both reports to. I did receive that feedback because we did contact some people. We tried to do this try to do that so it made better Tell the stories how we got to wells You notice even in the interviews of our city managers seems like a lot of cities that go in the other route they're trading sewer and using it again versus drilling for fresh water I'm not saying it's a better idea but it's ancient and so it's ancient, and so many others go to their other route. Yeah. So we're going this right. Reclamation is a real thing, but you've got to have, you've got to have, you make your own mud, you know. And you've got to have a wastewater discharge, and you don't have it. Yeah, and then it's a little bit different, because the discharge, but I, you're saying. Yeah. Wow. So we know that the around the St. Mary and the Anna area and the Bannels area they are of animals. Yeah. We Yeah. We could and they have North Texas water as well. And actually I think with an Anna or Princeton, there was an issue with their population and they were told they're nervous for just a little while until they had their North Texas issues resolved. Good to have a second source of water, but it's good. And you all saw that in commerce, dude. I mean, you never see those many times. We'd have that line over there in commerce and we'd go over there. That was a 26 mile path line that ran from to walk into the water plant. And then the three models in the town after you treated the water. So if you had a leak or an issue anywhere along that, even on the 600 foot pier that went out in there. We were very fortunate over there to be able to just turn on 9 of them and just operate. Which is my point earlier. I'd love to say again just for the record that the plan that comes back, I'd like to see an accelerated plan that gets us there faster and not just Wait and wait one over one. I'm good because we never get there. I agree I think the intent was to bring you the full bond package to fund all the wealth You mean even up to well number six, but that was my understanding. Yes, sir. Good And for I understand we do have enough property around town to put those wells in and more so we need. That's correct. And they're working on that. On top of that we're actively starting to backup our 500 maintenance program. Might have been working really hard on that in the last couple of weeks and some of that will enhance our fire protection for the for the citizens. You already started construction or release for construction on the Dar State's Fire Flow Line. Notice that the change order for it tonight. Let's expect it to kick off in February 24, which will enhance their fire protection to that area. AMI Phase 2, which we already have AMI Phase 1 installed 3200 in some odd meters, then can see in real time and also can help citizens to do that they can they can log on their app they can see their water usage and help us be partners in this and then we have another thousand or 1100 meters I believe going in in my face doing March it's gonna begin in March that'll be really helpful we've already passed already passed a landscape ordinance. We have other tools available on the website. Citizens are roughly going to engage. And I believe we started a subcommittee for the enforcement review. So that maybe it's a little more palatable this year if we move through that. Very good. All right, so we will have costs for drill for well in the number one. already. We'll have what now cost. Yes, number six. We're going to open those bits. Okay. And those costs include the well and we have cost estimates or or bits for all the treatments and mechanisms that get with it. Which will help us with these placeholder. Yes. And then the engineers didn't take that information and that was strapped like that and what they think is going to cost us to put in the rest of these. And again, is there any way of making a faster and cheaper by, you know, starting to double these up? Right. Fewer deployments by a more matured at the same time. And by the same model as they shall. By a small step. Correct. We would choose to have multiples. I can see how well the other man think, well, honestly, I've been in he's for six months. I don't know what to say, shout out by all the states. I'm not a step correct. If we were to choose a bit out multiple times, yeah, I can see how well we are about to make, you know, well, obviously, if he's for six months and we might save on a level. Let your bring on your children to help yourself. But this, all right. But you're also going to have some very long lead items we need to be considering that. That could well be our biggest hola. These pumps aren't sitting under shock waiting for someone. They're not so much. They're not. It took us two years to get this pair of pump for the station. Yeah. Well, well, vertical turbine has to be built. Yeah. They have very tight pumps. Those are machine for that pump. These will be purchased. These are down are down holds in inch casing or whatever. It's facing with it. It's just a down hold not lonely. There's going to be some lead that they're not making a bunch of them. They're not like old, you know, they're not popular math, but they're not unique. What's it you said the wrong question unique unique when you build a perfect 100 pump like in a pump station. That's a unique pump. The date when they build those impellers, it's for the for those goals, but they're cut them for those goals they can't they can't they can't not go to another bowl they likely would need to sheen again. Right so to meet the tolerances. It's a little different. All right great questions and the other question All right, thank you, Mr. Creed. Yeah, thanks. Okay, moving into a agenda item 5.B. That's going to be discussion and action regarding a naming rights sponsorship program for the parks and trails of he fundraising program. So Mr. Walker and Mr. Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Council. I will be asking you all the Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker. See you soon. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Council. I won't be asking you, or I'll be asking you water or asking for money. Ah, so, good luck, better. We like you already. Yeah. What we'll talk about is the other path. It's park control, the heat. And the top door, the community, if you got a big push up, we all have is is get our kids out or town centers coming. But what's come up, it's not as much, where do we get the money, where do we get the funds? So something I'll talk through and walk through is that committee has come together for the past. She seems like a long time, five or six months at putting these concepts together and raising funds for certain things like, well, last night at the parkour came up. There's a one of the lights in the outfield me speaking taken down the decree for I speak this better night can, but it's rusted out. And I'm not a public high school public college, but I'll say water electricity is not a good idea. It's full water and it's electrical unit out there. So to take that down and rebuild it, it's going to cost money. And we don't just have $175,000 laying around for that. So this came up last time, so this really ties into what we see day-to-day up within the city. It's sponsorships and donations. So we've already had some of the conversations about sponsoring donations and what it would look like. Susanne, that's not a phenomenal job putting this together. So thank you very much for that. We've got a 15 that has been pulled together. But again, as I said, these are about sponsorship and donations. As you can see, starting left or right, I won't read through every one of these, but you have a performance 5 billion. So we're really they've signed the naming rights for these structures, whether they've been at erotic chairs, the play structure, these are already being built, these are already being put out there, starting in the budget for Town Square, a town center. So what this will do, we did do a limit on the duration of how long someone could have their name on that. And this is primarily for businesses. Businesses come and go, they're bought their soul, they go bankrupt. So we did a 10 year, the five year payout. Someone asked me last night, well, I haven't any business want to do that. I kind of even sit at counter and why don't you guys sit on this counter? They must be in salary. They must be a big bus. The fun. It's everybody cares. Saying something happened. Seeing these improvements, actually seeing what goes on. Once we saw this ground breaking up like, oh, that's what's going to happen. Once you're down, it will probably render it in a slide deck. And what you're looking at is more of our pitch deck. So when we take these businesses, we take these individuals, we did put some of these things into opportunity. So the chairs, the hammocks, which came up last night as adding more hammocks, just adds more revenue to the city. One thing about this is some of the inhibitions we've talked about and mentioned is partnerships. From a business standpoint was, well, can I write this all? Absolutely. You can do that. You've seen over not giving financial bias. That's what it's, as long as those dollars are going towards this community. This is not coming out of the citizens pockets. So this is a business sponsoring it and I'll go through some donations and a little bit to let you see what it looks like. This is the first list of items. The upper left to pick up all the billion. It's taken and the Pover family was very kind and donated a lot of money in the city. I've sat down with, with both of them and had a nice dinner, talked through it. And they asked me, what do you think we should do? I'd say just name a whole Pickleball Pavilion, the Tober Pickleball Pavilion. But I just can't do that. I have to kind of city council to get the approval on these naming rights. They don't need a lot of money to to this city and they love the idea and all the pick-up all courts will be eight of them we can name there's something separate the whole probability of the name after that we did it for two big family legacy basketball complex the courts baseball field currently our baseball field of waste designed there is no outfield fence so I've been working with a fence builder that he's looking to donate that fence for the outfield. And with that, the conversation is he would have his name or company and in perpetuity on that. But we can still put other advertisers on that fence as well. If you've gone to the rise or even Rockwell Heath or Rockwell baseball games, you can see all the sponsorships back there as well. So we've had some really good folks, JD, who's with the city as a long background from hosting baseball tournaments, pickable tournaments, more revenue, but we all make sure this is for the citizens. And then on the park benches, we had those in perpetuity. We're not gonna have hundreds of park benches out here, but we would put a limit on that as long as it would scale correctly. What we want to, what we want to supply. So path donor levels, we have a pinnacle level. And I'll show you a little while what that's going to look like. Summit trail edge trying to keep everything the same with naming as a path or trail. So what do they get? From $25,000 of them above. They're going to have their name etched on a stone mine myth that will be in the path garden which I'll show you a little while what that looks like. Promotional items in the Corley newsletter on the website. I really love this skill for a business. What am I going to get out of it? It's promotion someone said, I think Mr. Creed said, very affluent community. People want to get their name out there. The gentleman at Auckland of Bill Pellet, Elkfield Fance was, I really want to be a he. And I really want to make sure my business is seen in the heath. And that was one of the comments conversation we had with what's the draw. I said the draws town center. The idea is that people into town center. And with that is company like others will have a lot more views. Should they should they donate should they sponsor? They'll be naming rights and plaques that will be adding to one of those locations. So they do sponsor something to be at that location. At the 10-year duration we've discussed that business should they not want to renew. They would get that plaque back to hang in their office or momentum. If you ever been to Dallas, Arboretum, if you stand around long enough, you'll probably get sponsored. Everything has a price tag at the South Arboretum. So, Katie Dwyer had a great idea last night was why not do trees? Well, lots of trees out there. We put a dollar amount to that because some folks don't want to do the whole amount. Someone want to handle that in something but I can't do 25,010. So we're talking through that right now what that would look like. So this is the donor garden. And as you can see, this is Andy might have to help out my eyes. It would caught up with me. You're not alone. It's like straight up, this is my room. Okay. So, I'm just going to challenge. Here is our interactive fountain. And it's a good line of sight. You know, I'll just go direction. I'm going to go to the park. And Kim Lee Horne is really generous. I'm going to somehow just stand on that. This. And my wish. You will show you what this is what one of the renders look like. Looks like. See the straight down that path, there's three or four columns, the path bench, and then with that, names will be etched on there, or logos. As we add more to it, the company come out and etch those logos and then from it, logos back on those stones. The idea is down the road is to do what those orange boxes are, having those as monuments around the garden. So when you walk down and you see all the people who donate throughout the years, a couple more renderings. I color that. It's a weird one. And then you see a monument layout. So left hand side is really recognizing those who've sat in your chairs and where you guys sit now. Yeah, look, let's not let that go on notice. Everyone puts their blood sweat and tears in this community. We want to recognize that. I'll tell them one of the bigger monuments out of the out there. So people see who actually sat on the council to not on the council, but some of the more sparkboards that will really show that recognition. And then as you can see the different logos, the EDC and I would say EDC sure. Like I can't see that far up. I can't either. I know. But we'll have those recognition that'll be out there. I want to make sure people get the credit credits too. We're in Suzanne's name on her somehow. When we owe the charter members some recognition, Nobody ever again will be on that monument for less than, you know, even though they've been very generous. So, that's when this was launched in 2019, we promised 10,000 in love a stuff like that. But we couldn't do it, we couldn't do it when we didn't know what was gonna happen in the park. So we're making good on that. And then after that right below it, it is hard to see 2024 and 2025 down there. Then it goes to the level of jobs stuff. And when we fill in that con, we bring him another. And they're really not that expensive. In the six months of world. Relatively speaking. This looks just to talk to me. These are in your packets as well. You have the idea of what's on this. That's all it's column. Any questions about the sponsorship and donation. Yes. John, two questions. First of all, great job. What's been the receptivity from some of the businesses? I know you all have had some short-term wins, but you've got some big numbers here, some blogs that you're looking for, right? But how's that going? I know this is early days. Yeah, it's early conversations have been great. It's not the other promise of anything. Right. Right. I can't promise someone I can name something after them and yeah guys can get shot down. Right. So it's been there. I mean, I've talked to several business owners that I've been asked me about because I told them I'm working on, like when you get done, let me know. My wife saw the rendering gesture and she loves it. She was like, this is really good. Yeah, because once you can see what the concept looks like and where your dollar is going, we had to put one with some of the beautification in the front. Right. We had a very nice donation on that. And that, you know, the individual that donated money, you want to see what it was going towards. So that's one of the things is this money all goes towards beautification, towards path, towards parks. So they can see it hands on. And that's, I think the biggest challenge will be filling that top one. Yeah, not a rich brass pavilion, sounds good. It's not. You can take checks. I think a birdie earned it. Take that. I think the biggest challenge will be filling that top of them. Yeah, not sure which brass pavilion sounds good. You can check checks. I think a birdie earned it. So some of the ones will be hard to fill. But then again, there are a lot of opponent people in this town. And a lot of people who work for large companies. And we've asked really good people on that committee who have really dope jump feet. And that's a great idea is that who they want to go after. So we had a meeting last night. We'll have ours every the committee meeting will be before the park for meeting. So we can at least talk through that where it comes in committee meeting goes to the park meeting if we have to have anything approved. Second question, John, for the amount of clawback. That's even the right term for those four sponsorships that you secure. Obviously the park is fully funded today as it's sort of envisioned. Where will that money go? Will that money go back into amenities for this park? Will it go back to parks and trails? Will it be shared with EPC? How will that be adjudicated? And currently it's under parks and trails. Yeah, so that's where it's going to refuteification. As you sit back and look at the park, yes, the town center is going in, but just last time about 350,000 dollars came up with repairs and reviews that have to be done for lighting from pole. There's so many things that go into it that when you start talking about, I was like, wow, there's a lot of things that are not included in the town, so our town is That's beautiful, right? But there will always be additional things we have to use. And this is not only the one area that will be for chance there, we will also talk about these pockets. a lot of things that are not included in the town. So our town is pretty beautiful, right? But there will always be additional things we have to use. And this is not only the one area that will be for town center, we've also talked about these pocket parks and other programs. And there's no reason why should this work out like we anticipate or we hope doing the same thing in the territory park. Right? Because there are some things in the territory park we want to add to. you know why not do the same thing in Terry Park? I'll just use those fonts at Terry Park. And we have two of the parks where we design waiting for phones. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Sean. Very much. to why not be the same thing in Terry Park? Got to use those funds at Terry Park. And we have two of the parks where you design, waiting for funds. Right. Yeah. Thanks, Sean. Very much. Great job, Stringer. There were quite a few things that part four had to pay for the... There was a lot cut to... Yeah. ...the list of unfunded items that there's really anxious to have a thing. And we're looking to get dollars for dollars. It's going to be us $50 grand. Hey, for $50 grand, this structural go out here with your name on it for X number of years or whatnot. You got your above and below the line list, and you'd like to... And we're looking to get dollars for dollars. It's going to be $50 grand. Hey, for 50 grand, this structural go out here with your name on it for extra years or whatnot. You get your above and below the line list and you'd like to add amenities here as well as I think what you guys are discovering, you know, do the repairs as well so that you're not broken down in one area and it's all shiny and not robbing Peter Paypal. Yeah, that's right. I remember that's other music, back a look at it as well. Where would it be? Funds. I guess it's hinges. I'm like, oh, that's a hinges. You've got a reason. What if you take that money's music? Peter Paypal. Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's the other thing we just sit back and look at it as well. Where would you be? These funds. I guess it's hinges. I'm like, huh, it's hinges. He's a reason. You know, what if you take that money to the music here and you need it? Now you have to rob some. Rob's. Rob's. I don't understand. I don't know enough people to do that right now. So these funds would be separate and distinct from that. It would be for adding jewelry to the ground. This would not be for paying salaries. This would be for a higher head sound. Is that? You wouldn't be a text writer. You couldn't even write a guy. Okay. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. This is this would not be for paying salaries. This is not for a tight head sound. You couldn't be taxed right. You couldn't be taxed right. You couldn't be taxed right. Okay. That's what you think. That's where a lot of the individuals that the two donors that we've had, they have asked. Where is this going? Is this going? Or China Christmas parties, this going for what is this going towards? And that's what the beautification was. They came on side, wanted to walk everything with me, and determine where these are right cost. So... what is this going towards? And that's what the beautification was. They came on side, won't walk everything with me and determine where these are right cost. So some of the folks that are going this, they want to see the money going to use, and they'll just go to a fund and sit there. You know, what Congress, it ends up getting little over here and over there. But that's where the momentum I've found from love businesses are. I like to see it broke. It affects them helps them help start families and future families. So I'm curious. I love this wonderful. There have been I think helping hands has little bricks with individuals' people's names in the walkway. Will you consider something smaller for people who can't give you 10 grand? We've talked about it. When you get into that piece that's where the town start is being built and it's up to everyone. Hey, we're gonna have a truckload of bricks. You have to actually put these on which pass have already been laid out. So that has come up. There's a lot of things that have been brought around. I don't know in town center could we do the bricks for the names on it? I don't know if that's even feasible with less care. It's more says they are okay with it, but I don't know. Is it used for the squeeze? Well, Yeah, but I mean if you set this up and it can be worked at other parks. You know, we can oh yes, we could have the people who don't have last time. Have their marks on where in a rice bowl wonderful. And then Jake also Dave. 10 guys want to go and donate money and put everybody's name on a plaque or we could come up with some sort of solution. Some way of doing it. I this is not a cookie cutter system. But we will vet out anybody that does donate any name that goes on any sign It'll go through the committee for vetting over the park board and it should have to come to the city council about on I hope we don't get that point that the names are so obscure that we have to do that, but that is just a cautionary Point or piece that we will put in that be the contracts of those individual side. Okay. My mind goes to the worst because Michael here. Yeah. You're vetting for John Wayne Gacy, you're vetting for Epstein. What are you vetting for? That. That. Okay. Good. I have the right. It could be, I mean, you tell me text me earlier today about it. I was like, that's the worst case in there, eh? We go and ask the question something, and I'm not, you know, from the second thing against a name you don't want to have a question in the deal. And the community's doing it. I hate root for hate root saying, hey, we're going to name the pavilion. Here's a million bucks. Now it's the Nazi pavilion for everything. No, we can't do that. We're not going to do that. There's agreements that factor in policies to protect you. And JV, we're just do that. We're not going to do that. There's agreements that factor in policies to protect you. And Chagy, who we're just so thrilled to have, he's got documents, he's done programs like this, and of course, Sydney, I'll be able to get everything. I could because I know there are limitations on what we can do on parades where they can come in and say, you you know, yeah, you have all skill, Jews and we can't really stop that. So there is some level of stop we can have one. Oh, I like that answer. Okay, I'm gonna stop talking. All right, very good. Any other questions? Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Thank you. Chris, that's great We hope you succeed while. Yeah, we will. We'll take action. Oh, we did. Thank you, Mr. Walker. So yes, so we do all want to say thank you for the hard work that your committee has been doing. And we thank all of those donors past and present to get us here to this moment. And we recognize the amount of time that it's taken to get consensus and get the part board on board and basically come up with this strategy and come up with this pricing and come up with something that was kind of born from some simple ideation to come to today. I know there's a lot of work by a lot of different hands. So thank you to all and thank you Suzanne for for guiding that. So are there any other further discussion points for the council at this time? All right. The chair will open the floor to entertain a motion and ultimately this would be a motion for the naming rights of the Tolbert, Tolbert Pickleball Pavilion, as well as approving essentially the packages and naming rights in the convention of what we've seen this evening in this presentation. So the chair is now in the floor to entertain a motion. Can I add one point of clarification? This is beyond the toll-burt portion of the item. You're agreeing in concept to this and we will write and we'll be bringing back details for further action. Yeah. All right, so I'll make a motion to approve agenda item five B. regarding the naming rights sponsorship program for the parks and trails of Heath fund raising program. Are we also including the told the told our family? The told our naming because it was in an ordinance, but the actual naming was not. Okay, Washington. I'm not saying that would be great. I mean, they've been waiting for one time. So at the motion include naming, approving the naming rights for the toll-burt family. That would just pickable. Okay, very well. All right. We have a motion on the floor. Do we have a second? Oh, second. We have a second by. Councilman Crouse. I'm going to give it to him. He was happy. OK. We'll follow him around. Great job. OK. Thank you. Very well. Thank you. All right. Well supported this is everybody. Everybody has it. So it's really. It really was 30. All right. The motion moves. All those of you ever say aye. Those opposed. Pass as unanimously. Thank you again. Great job. Great, great job. Okay, we will now move into agenda item five dot C's presentation and discussion regarding pavement condition index, Mr. Creed. Hello again. Oh, that's it. Really. Screening. You'll see that? Okay. All right. This would go to one of those items where, if you don't remember back in our budget workshop, I think it was Councilman Ruepo said, we would love to see some data that we can see really buckets of money if we go to. You know, so we can back up the funding and work what it's actually being used to do. So this would be one of those items where we would say, hey, here's a button. And we have this data to show what roads are where and what they need. And you can dedicate a program to that and actually essentially justify the funding for what you're wanting to do. Hey, we have these roads, they're built to this condition and we'd like to bring them up to this condition. You mean the air marking currently approved our road repair budget for the specific elements of the city? Or given direction or adding CIP items to where it's a specific road to one of the economic hubbub or something like that. So what we've done is this is a payment condition index in this way that it's playing on rich didn't get a paper study. And I actually, I'll show you something at the end that you'll appreciate. Okay. All right. You know I like paper. Pardon? You know I like paper. Oh, I've got it. I've got a spreadsheet that I can't read. So this is what we get. We contracted with Nesco, Nesco, this is their their smart payment management system. So what they did was they went out and they drove every single road in heat. And to be honest with you, some of these they drove roads that weren't in heat because they kept going and graded them also. We're not going to utilize those. But so what it did is it scored every road from zero to 100. Typically what I've done in the past and what councils have done in the past is just like in school if it was below 70 they found it to be Substandard and that And that's a really good rule of thumb. If you start getting down towards 50 and even lower they're substantially poor at that point. This is the lines and you can see all the green I'm going to read that is 85 through 100. So he does look pretty good when you look at the overview. There's no doubt about that. 71 through 85 is satisfactory. There's 56 through 70 of the yellow and they're fair. 41 to 55 is poor. It's like a pink color. It's starting to give you to a red from 26 to 40, which is very poor. Then that brown or burgundy color says, Sirius, it's 11 to 25, and if you go from 0 to 10, there's no road. You pretty much got a trail at that point. We don't have a lot of those Jeff Boyd ranked very low on that scale, but overall roads that didn't that are actually city roads that I saw the biggest problems with and the lowest ranking one was key drive. Key drive is an asphalt road. So what we would do is on this payback in the index, how you've been fine then. My glasses are on because you can see right here it's ranked 34. I don't even see my nose zoom in a little bit. You see my cursor on the 34 right there? So I ranked 34 out of 100. So I click on that and we can do a data summary. And so that's how it breaks down. So 3% of that road ranked satisfactory or above. So this would be a candidate for some redevelopation and you can use that data to justify how you would spend those funds. And so what I would show you is what we have, I'm gonna show you just what we got going on with this. So I click on that. It's gonna be a brine. That's so, what? This is not where we also had the bridge problem. That's on little springs. Oh, no, it is one key drive. Yes, sir. You're right. Right. Right. And what Matt C repaired. Yes, that was. Yeah, there was a wing wall sport out there. Yeah. So this is a this is an asphalt road with has a concrete carbon gutter, but it's not private. It's not. is your way maintain all this actually city road. There are a couple of little roads on here. If this shows extension coming up right here, and I think this is where you go up into the sanctuary, I think from here on it's actually private. So they drove it and scored it, but we would only be able to get this portion here. And how we deal with that data is it ranks that road overall very low, but if I just go to points, that's a lamber's driveways. I can go to points and it takes the private out of it. And I can see that here it's mostly green. There's one minor spot right here and I click on it. It's ranked 63. I break it up and it sees a little bit of pothole in right here. And this one thing, this would be selected payment repair here this would not be a road repair. So curiously the criteria is awkward or it like well. It's where it's underbiting. All those things would do factory in. I can, I'm going to show you what we looked at. And driving it, how would they know, like, oh, little screens, you can record it? No, so if you, if you cashed over it, it's hidden. it's hidden from the eye. So it's going to be hidden from the from the state. We just simply have to know that by history. Now obviously if you got a bunch of concrete roads with a asphalt patch. That's what it does show up and that's what these points see. I don't know if you notice I switched from a line which is an overall reading in a road. I can go to point source. So if I choose to go back and we'll go right back to my favorite here and click on a point in the key right here and we get this red point right here and I bring it up and shows this is very poor. So you can see we got spalling, we got how to get a crack and all over the place. The system doesn't differentiate between what's a sealed crack or an open crack on the point scoring system, but it does differentiate it when you drill down and you wanna open and see. If it's something that's been cracked sealed, we feel like it's stable. then obviously even if it's ranked 73 out of 100. And it's mostly those,'s not that's not going to factor in us wanting to actually prepare the vote so there are new ones as you have to go into after after the fact you determine okay is it a crack it's been repaired and is it stable or is it open crack is out of date or anywhere it's falling out like we see in some of these streets so on the street and I'm not calling it the name of the street, but it does. I bet I have it. It's just as you pass Chandler's landing where we had the under the wash out. And I think we paid and put like, wait a minute. We put some sort of expansive material under it, too., because we put the expensive material, it gets a higher rating now, or would they not even look at the... They would not look at the surface condition. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. This is all rated on the surface condition. This would be the same thing in systems, what can plan about or not. And another looking looking, are they doing the scanning, or they're just looking, notating and data, you know, what you're doing. No, it is, it is scanned. If you, if you notice, we click on this point source, and we say, what we got here. You can see the entire scan of that portion of the row, where they've notated the crack open here, there's the crack open here, crack open here, all these cracks that show spalling in this area right here. And what that means is just the asphalt's coming out. Oh, are they looking to scan and get putting in data or is there software and say this is a software? It's software that's existed. This is a part of all this. It does. But every software assisted that sometimes it'll pick up shadows and things like that. You have to go in manually and no, it runs through it with your eyes. So so that you don't get a faulty score. You know, you got a bunch of cars parked on some road or a bunch of tree overhang with debris in the road and you end up with a score of 50 for when the road really an 85 Great objective data. So, yes. Any more questions about that I love this thing I clicked all over this time. I can tell you really. I have a toy and what I'd like to do with that toy is I put this item as an update and discussion because I do want to see it counsel direction. So part of what I did where I came from is I did the same thing. Dr. DePia, a PCI, I will say this, Heath Roads are actually a little bit better shaped than than the other places were. But they had a lot of asphalt roads, and we don't have a lot more concrete roads. And what I'm seeking is, you should see, hey, I saw Del La Go before we, yeah. I'm going to start with. Well, keep it up, ironically, it's asphalt. With concrete curves. And that road means attention yesterday. It's very bad. I have one particular resident that's in here every week and and he's asking let me see the data. Let me see the data. Let me see the data. What's the data is here? He said how to do that? I said you're one of the local roads and you need to he said, told you. But I mean, you know, you also understand the expectations, I think, of our citizens here. I do. And regardless of what your rankings are there, everybody thinks they're crores the block. It is. And that's probably what we're going to face here, too. But I think this data gives you help. And how does you help? You should say, OK, we're going to bring this road. We want our objective is to bring your roads up to 70 or 60, whatever yard we're comfortable with with the funding levels and we'll develop a plan to bring that out. And a lot of these are concrete and I'm not usually it's catastrophic. If you have a concrete road where you've got to do a full panel of player down the whole entire thing, if you're not upgraded for capacity or something like that, it's putting a water on under here. Let me select a panel replacement because you don't need to replace the panel if they're not upgrading for capacity or something, it might better just put in a water bottle under here. Those are gonna be selective panel replacements because you don't need to replace the panels that are not bad. Asking for what you will have to. Key drives gonna need to complete meal out and redo. And the reason it can't be just overlayed and raised up is because you have this concrete curve and then it's set to high. So, you know, we could band could ban they debt with a with a real tight small overlay that would be relatively cheap. And we can do that. I don't know that I would be comfortable with that or not. I'd have to bet that a little bit better. But I am seeking council direction on what we would like to see in a developed street plan to bring for. And, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, So we have a budget for road repair. We do. We do. And so it's going to dictate, I think it's around 300 grand. And that will do key. That would do key on a little level up, but that would not mill out of your place. Okay. So ultimately the direction comes. I'm calling. So this is the indicator of at least surface condition, actually, typical, optical analysis, so forth. It's an indicator of surface conditions. So we see which roads are in bad state. The other factor there is the, I suppose the use volume. But other words, if I've got a really bad road that gets one driver a year, that's not a high priority. So we have to scale this with traffic. That is accurate. And that is accurate. So what, and that's what Jeff Boyd is actually very poor on here, but did rise to the level of the measures that you drive. Right. And's effectively a normalization factor that is what this which is traffic character of some kind yeah I'm not interested in redoing the 1300 feet that King Road that leads to no right yeah so do we have do we have that data I think that's part of that's the conversation that we have to know yeah as staff and it is absolutely factored in when you're doing a road rehabilitation program. That's right. I mean, if it's a road that has one house on it, and as long as it's not your house, that's okay. I'm just kidding. Especially between my house. Especially between your house. Especially between my house. But to that point, what I was about to say is that, is that, you know, directionally, that's what we're here to discuss in preparation to our budget, because of some great feedback that we had in our multiple budget sessions is to really analyze this from an optical standpoint, but to Councilor Webers Point, if staff could do some waiting based on traffic, I know that obviously there's going to be some pass through roads that that might be a point of concern. I would definitely say King Road will have some people that would say hey we would love that road to get put in and then there's probably some of us that we're gonna say hey if you bring that road in you're gonna bring a of secondary traffic through. Right? And then, obviously, we've had people that have been here talking about McDonald's. So, just, I think, directionally, the idea was to bring this up and have some discussion, see the software in which is being deployed, and then give some direction as we're trying to plan this new bunch, Jay Zile. Yeah. this is, I'll say not, yeah, okay, I can't do it. So, yeah. So, I think we're going to come down to the typical discussion is, so this comes up and says, yeah, we calculated it, we need a $23 million and we can fix our roads. Well, and I thought I'm going to have to agree, right? I think the idea is let's step one, step two, step three, and also two for long-term strategy. It helps when I'm trying to think is it will definitely help us prioritize where we're spending on the if we have 300,000, you know, you guys say, I think it's pretty prioritize every road that's under 60. I mean, you guys are pretty good shape. You might say 70 every road that's under 70. I've read to you, you say, okay, we would like to see these roads worked first. And then what we do is we work those in a phase system that you have to work. I mean, that's what you do. I mean, you know, look at the end of the day, this is going to be a multi-year program because 300,000 I'm not going to do hardly anything to anywhere in the hot bulb. We spent that Buffalo Creek. Right. Yes, for real. Because 300,000 is not going to do hardly anything to anywhere in the bot. But we spent that buffalo creek. Yeah, but the other other exercises that we've used. And the ideas to have, you know, again, kind of back to what we talked about. Yeah, a budget cycle is, it's a proactive approach to strategically planning, broadly versus kind of this reactionary, hey, we have a budget of X amount. We don't really know what that's going to get us. Just fix whatever you can. So whoever shows up. strategically planning, broadly, versus kind of this reactionary, hey, we have a budget of X amount. We don't really know what that's going to get us. Just fix whatever you can. So I've ever showed hope that it's this every day. Sometimes. Sometimes. And it's a good thing to take on. One of the first things at least I noticed when I go and you use however you go. And that tells me a story. It really does. I mean, the first time I ever went to Kansas and I didn't believe how well eating the streets were down to town and now breath the paint was out of the man was slacking. You know, we have to go home and go to work. Well, and the secondary benefits is also our open-gov software is gonna give some transparency to the CIP plans. and then also in real time, correct me, where I'm wrong, Jay, and Mr. Gonzalez and Mr. Greed, is that that's where there's going to be a full-level transparency on any of those projects, too. So where they're at in their lifecycle, as well as once they begin into conclusion. And then there's also been dialogue too of that level of transparency possibly even being able to be displayed on our website. So then our residents can actually see some of those, some of those plans. So if we continue this PCI on a routine basis, just like that, and we have a program that's enacted, you can actually see year to year on a GIS map essentially, there's a, you know, that look into this and it's turning greater as we move through. We're enacting a program and doing the items, how many of us should you do it? You know, serving the citizen. This is a great tool for our area. This is a great thing. So how do we add the traffic count to that? Traffic count? Well, with traffic study, you know. Yeah, so what we have to do there is, we can pull the shape files from this and implement it in the GIS later, or own GIS. And the one files? The shape files. The files that demonstrate these colors on these roads. The pictures of the cracks. Yeah. Well, no, actual green and red lines. We could lift that, apply it to your own GIS, and then I guess make it applicable to produce the traffic counts. Is that what you're looking for? What do we have? The traffic counts for all these roads? I don't know. We don't. There's one thing you have to get a program to do that. I think we could get textile traffic counts for a lot all these roads? I don't we don't. There's a lot of you have to get a program to do that. I think we could get tech stock track accounts for a lot of these roads but we would have to we have to contract somebody to give us the pain of that. So it goes back to my comment about you know again this this tells us the conditions of the roads but it doesn't tell us the normalization factor which is the traffic. You just have to base that on the staff swag. Yeah swag. Yeah, or council know what you guys live here, you know, you're you're on the hook to go to work. Well, I think he's like, Rossing. Yeah, so do you think there are other indicators that for prioritization that we should look at other than traffic? Guess what what roads are what they're serving to- Safe is always an issue. You're getting to the point where there's a severe drainage issue that we corrected by road repair. You know, they're gonna, you know, part of, sometimes we're gonna have official property. You're going down the road repair. If we were doing inlets, often you can do entrance, you know, to sidewalks or trails. You do those as well. So those are factors you absolutely take in. But generally, I would request by those as a sake. Sure. Yeah, I know years ago, working with utilities, we would look at probability of failure and impact of failure. So, you know, on this is like, what is the impact of this road's failure? What does it serve? So there is a probability factor. I did not purchase, but we can. And they give you a probability on how long this road will last and when they believe that we would tool into it. I did not purchase that, but it is available at the council a lot. I would not advocate for that. I think what they gave us is great. So, technically, I would love to see, I would love to see what it would take to bring our roads to 70 or to a certain percentage whatever we decided was the right percentage. And then we rack and stack them from there. So at least we understand what the whole picture would look like. And then we just, The three odds the road, man, keys about to die. We got to put it on the... You know, on the arm, so... Yeah, absolutely. And then keeping them on, that every road's deteriorating, they're just saying, so this is going to contract with the roads. They are. That road's in that one under it, and then at some point... All this green down here is heat coffin. Y'all, I mean, it's got a lot, a lot of 100% to 99% It will be green forever, you know, so this It will not, you're actually right So the only way to know that is to redo this study and y'all, I mean, it's got a lot, a lot of 100% to 99% So it will be great forever, you know, so this, so the only way to know that is to redo this study, this is the slice and time, and this is the roads at this slice and time, correct, and we would have to read. Yeah, you would redo this study if you're leisure, if you want to go year and a half, you want to go two years. depends on how active you are in your program. If you have a very active program where you're doing a lot of work, then you may want to redo the study and see how we look now. But it's... You're gonna have to go two years. It depends on how active you are on your program. If you have a very active program where you're doing a lot of work, then you may wanna redo the study and see, okay, how do we look now? But it probably, relatively slow at it or relaxed at road maintenance, you would not wanna do the study very quickly. David, produce drugs in the same result. So if you think in five years or something? I think five years may be a little bit too long if I get my way. Okay. What was the cost of the study? I paid 21,000 up front. Is she for after that? So a point here not to talk about the street that I live on because I'm not carving. I did cart Mr. Todd and he ignored me. So does this deal with the problem that caused the catastrophic problem that is now on on my street, which is the storm water pulling away and the water in and dating and washing out the base of the road, which was improperly built because the road is too close to the cold. So, so that would obviously damage would give it a ranking. It does not we we know that because you know that because you know that's what happened. Because I call the software doesn't know that so this is just data so we click on little springs. It just it just writes little springs based on the reliability and what ability and what it looks like in the hand. Okay, that's not my question. My question is, it's looking at cracks, it's looking at pockets. It's really nice to come and put a little asphalt to make people not have their alignment toward another car as a way to slow down deterioration. But this was a pull away where it was inundated and it washed the road out. Can you talk about behind the curb at the curb line? Right. It washed away. It went from two inches to it's about nine now. If you're talking about the sole pullaway from back of the curb. I'm talking about the pulver pipe or the wastewater pulled away from the road. So there you can can look down in it. Yes and with it's it does see those cracks it doesn't see them as they're patched that one what well it may be Yeah, cuz I'm on it not patched it We know about that the number on that one was 1.2 million Yeah, and that's not in your road repair. That's a special item right? That would that would maybe be a CIP special project any eight bridge which is essentially what what that is boxholders Yeah, because between the two legs would absolutely be a CIP project that would have to be engineered and and move forward road projects are generally not So how do you? Present those to house because the like a CIP like my road doesn't have a whole lot of traffic There's only 36 houses there, but there's delivery people There's a construction on two houses. There's a lot of people but not a lot of people who live there And if you put a danger there for it's not going to be a huge amount But with you bring a concrete truck in which they're about to we could have a catastrophic failure Yeah, well, it would be a mercy. You have to actually but I don't want that but I have fair understand So what I would say to anything like that, we also have a situation with a roadway or lightweight, when the water travels under like a river, it goes into a driveway that's extraordinarily expensive and fixed. Those are to me, they are general fund street items that have to be addressed, but they are separate CIP items that need me put on the CIP and ranked and funded. Okay. This is how that needs to occur. And so you guys approved the CIP list. If there's something in particular like that, they need to be put on that. They need to be ranked. And if you guys want to fund that and will certainly act on it. I agree. agree gonna see I keep that unless there's a seismic shift in the way we do about it. Yeah there's never going to be enough money available. Never. To do things like sharing is talking about. Yeah. And for CIPs something like this if you are as you know the last place I worked I gave you 26 million. So I was not happening. I understand. You can make a deep drink with you? No, no. I just can't. $26 million. And but it took me four and a half years to do so. In fact, I'm not a leftist. I had one road. It's a large road is the only. So, but we, what we did is develop a program and we were forwarded. I don't expect that here. What, but what I'm looking for is us to develop a program. Of some source. That, it's just, it's not gonna be better. Sure. And we'll open to, when people come to the table or call, like to have another issue, will it be live somewhere? Will you know that there's been calls on key road from someone other than the one who's standing at your desk all the time? If we utilize the software to log those complaints just then. If we? If that's the, that's the, that is the intent. We're, we're, we have a software suite called cartograph. We're, we're trying to get kicked off that, that will, when a work order comes through, it will tie to the GIS, which is a map very similar to this one, uh, that is not directly related related to street condition, but will show that there's calls for that road at that location. And why hasn't that been done? I'm not griping, I'm just asking. So what's happened is, I guess, before I came, we decided to change software from my go to OpenGoub, and I don't speak for this as closely as my eyes. But as part of that, we stood by brand new GIS. We're migrating from my gov to open gov and I think we're changing out our HR software and open gov is also removing our encode and it's changing the different way that as well. So it has been a massive rip the guts out of town hall and changed all of it at once. And there has been some grown pains. The GIS has stood up, but it's still not talking to OpenGov. They're still working on that. We still haven't fully migrated from MyGov over to OpenGov. So we don't have those tools in place yet. ETA? I can't see from MAGA of open-go implementation. Maybe that's a Danny question, I don't know. But the cart graph implementation is if we can get GIS people on the horn with them, we should have training trainer, which is where we learn how to implement software and train our staff to use it next month. Don't talk sweet nothings. I'm not. We've done everything else. We've provided all the data. We have the user set up. We've provided them with all our assets. And we've provided them a template to what we'd like to see. But we're going to go more those, but we need to jump the GIS to be able to speak to the open guns, under-problems and over-drums. I think you did a great job. You may have been a big guest, Nathan. Thank you. Mr. Creed, this is amazing, it's fantastic. And when we went through the budget and we were looking at the roads and you had made the comment about this and this tool is going to provide the staff to make the decisions of the most cost effective way to address our roads. You can take the same concept with our sewer system with everything, but I love this data, and now you can go to work with that data. And I heard you say I want to develop a program. That's awesome. You've got to have a program. You've got to have a plan. You've got to have a mindset. You've got a forward thing. And this is just so unbelievably exciting. And I just thank you for your work. I agree with that. Great work and great description of where we are with the open go. So we're going to make a plan. I guess what we're going to start. Yeah, I think, I think, directly, all the council is saying, hey, good job. Great start. Understand where we're headed with the budget and the planning. And to councilman Weaver's point, if we can have some staff with some empirical knowledge, take a look at some of these areas of improvement and look at whether it be residents or be traffic high-prone areas of that throughput and then kind of let's start drafting up that plan. So that way we can address that during our budget cycle. Okay. I was gonna say that. We have some very talented people that you know, on staff in all that. Sure. I wouldn't recommend having this council design that plan. Yeah. Well, maybe for answer. I agree. I think you should come up with a good design and we'll tweak it. Because we have confidence in you too, I appreciate that. And part of the backside of this is, in y'all, I asked the question, but I'll say for you, is what do we do? If we're gonna spend money and redo these roads, how do we, how do we keep this from happening quickly? And part of that is through the program, we also adopt design standards that we implement to make sure that we have a better product, you know, and, you know, and don't wait for us to do that. I can see some potential that. You know, right? I would say that, you know, we put a plug in this year's budget, whatever the amount is, $350, and $220, $221, right? So it would be great to understand what what is the future state need to look like? What should we be considering at the next budget cycle so that we can adjudicate the funds that are needed for that versus some of these other areas that we're looking to allocate funding? We agree. Very good. All right. Moving on, thank you, Ms.. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank Council, Miss Adele. Yes, this is in response to some input from council members requesting that we hold together some minds to take a look at future transportation needs and heath. And we would love to ask you, we were asking you guys to consider that and select perhaps two or three from your body to work with staff. Very well. Yeah, so I've been attending as well as Mr. Dodson in the audience has been attending the road consortium talked with our our honorable Judge Frank New as well as I spoke at their workshop for the commissioners. Is there a- I talked with our honorable judge Frank Newb, as well as I spoke at their workshop for the commissioners, as they were trying to get a flavor for the city of Heath. And ultimately, one thing that I had spoken about is that our thoroughfare plan goes back to 2018 if we can get a subcommittee created to where we can start looking at that throw for a plan for an update. Much like we're looking at our comprehensive plan, but but in general if we could if we could get some volunteers on the council to start looking at that I think that would be a a good thing not only for for the commissioner's court and the county but also to for for these of projects. Well, the debt's critical, because we don't know what we need, how do they help us? And that are in the plan, and I think ultimately the committee would start, going back through the 2018, through the thoroughfare plan, there's a number of items in there that probably need to be addressed. So that was the idea. I'm very well, Mr. Dodson. Mr. Krause. We have one more. You have all the care for it. Thank you, Councilman. So I believe we've got a subcommittee that will happily be working on that. Okay. Mr. Dotson, if you would kind of take the home on work with Miss Adele and working within the schedules for you guys and thank you guys for volunteering for that. I think it's a great opportunity for future planning. It's all up to the table. Yeah. Yeah, heavy little light weight on that side. Okay, all right. All right, tough ground. Thank you. Yes. I'll get the Scott. I do appreciate you guys doing that going above and beyond. And for the audience, it does take so much extra work. Whenever these these committees are requested. So that is a big, a big thank you. And I will report that back to the commissioners court. All right at this time we'll move into agenda item number 6. It's going to be our executive session. So it's going to be a closed meeting in accordance with the text of the government who chapter 551 sub chapter D the city council will recess into executive session to discuss the following six dot a section 551 dot 071 consultation with the attorney on on the matter in which the duty of the attorney of the governmental body under the text disciplinary rules of professional conduct of the state bar of Texas clearly conflicts with this chapter regarding zoning and platic standards local government go chocolate and trilogy Trilogy development in Maclin and Chism City limits and extraterritordiction, City Manager position and the Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs Tax Credit Programs 6.BE Section 551.071, one. Confrontation with the attorney regarding pending and contemplated litigation or settlement. Offer regarding MC Trilogy, Texas LLC versus City of Heat. Cause number three, two, two, CV zero, two, one, five, four, D. City of Heat versus McLean, Edgism. Cause number one, two, two, one, two, zero, four, and... CAUSE NUMBER 322-CV-02154-D City of Heath, V. McLean, Edgism, CAUSE NUMBER 122-1204 and N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. And then agenda item six dot C section flag by one dot zero seven for deliberation regarding the appointment evaluation reassignment duties discipline and dismissal of a public officer were employed regarding the city manager position at this time at 757 we are now in executive session. All right. Jim, I remember suddenly where we could be in an open session at 19 in accordance with the Texas government go chapter 5-5-1 study in Calcaball where we could be in a regular session to consider action to be on matters discussed. can be in open session at 19 in accordance with the Texas government go chapter 5 on 1 study health will make it in a river session to consider action to be on matters discussed in executive session or on those actions from that executive session. So this meeting is adjourned at 919.