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She wasn't her 90s living alone. She was very happy that I was there. When I was driving away, she stood there by her window just waving at me. I'm a behavioral health clinician for just as involved adults in the men's jail, Orange County. I think it's best to support people just to make sure that they're more than their charges. When they're out here in the community and wanting to get better and pursue a certain job, have a family, they have goals just like we do. I remember working the case of a man. He usually lived with his mother but his mother passed away and he became very depressed. He hasn't been out of his house gosh for at least 15 years. I brought him some new clothes, soap, shampoo, shaving cream. Oh my god, he looked like a totally different person. At Work with Brighton Agents and Brighton Ag teams, we provide an environment for them in which they can dream about a future and also helping them be connected to other resources. I make sure that our children are being placed in homes where they are treated with respect, with kindness and love. What keeps me going is to see families being reunited, The ability that the youth and the families have to change, to learn. Somebody asked me that the day, would you do that all over again? And I said, absolutely. I want to be a social worker. When you drive away from the client's house, knowing that, you know, I did the right thing. That feeling is very rewarding. Thank you to our Social Services Agency for putting together that video. Now every March we recognize all the social workers who serve our community with compassion and dedication. I'd like to invite the following social workers up to receive a resolution we're going to present on behalf of their agencies from the social surgeons and please come up when your name is called from the social service agency Daniel McKinnis is a Bill Franco Michelle Nguyen Taylor Cooper Mani Rodriguez and Stephanie Garcia from our health care agency for Nando Morton, Valerie Klein, Nelda Smart, Michelle Harris, Carol Profect, and Luis Cole. We also have with us today some other groups we do have from the Cal State, Fullerton. We have three representatives from their Department of Social Work, Michelle Martin, who is the chair. And we have Deborah Saxton, who is with the community field director and Michelle Mendes, who is the student field director, all with the Cal State Department Social Work, which is one of the very best in its our nation, or very fortunate, to have that resource here in Orange County. We also have an innovative program with the Fullerton Police Department. We now have two social workers, the Helbrills Behavior Health Commission, as we call them, and the Fullerton PD, actually part of the police department, not working separate from it. And if Chief John Raiders, Captain Pedram Grader, if I say that right, if you're general and would all join us, Captain Jose Harana and Sergeant Christopher Murphy and our two behavior health clinicians, Marcella Campuzano and Francisco Vazquez. If you would please join us up here. And so, simply like to recognize all of you because you are in action to address the needs and welfare of some of our most vulnerable residents. You provide frontline defense in the system of services that protect children, older adults, and dependent adults from neglect, abuse, exploitation, so their home environments can be safe, warm, and nurturing. Social workers are in high demand, often having to do more work of many to meet the only need for the community. To address the need for more social workers in the community, we must support creative initiatives that eliminate barriers for interest in this profession. I was glad to have worked on two initiatives that address barriers, entering the social worker field, and provide new pathways for social workers to expand their impact in the community. And through Cal off the Health, along with supervisors, Sarriento, we created the Orange County Behavioral Health Masters in Social Work, stipend program at Cal State Fullerton, which offers $20,000 to Masters in Sultawork students each year with a commitment of two years of full-time paid service in a public health care setting in Orange County. That's what we ask in return that you stick around for two years and not necessary for the county but you certainly have to have you join if that's your choice. That's why we have Representative Cal State Fullerton here. I'd also like to talk a little bit about the pilot program that I initiated with the Holden Police Department. And sometimes you have contract services providing social work services to some kinds of departments, including policing agencies. This is actually where they are employed within the department. This is a pilot program that goes for two years. And there are three goals. One, make the community healthier by having the right kind of people working the police department, because they get these calls for social service to make the community safer. Because if we didn't have the social worker services there, officers will be taken off of patrol to take care of social work needs in the community. And the third is officer well-being. Our behavior health conditions will be there with the officers, so see firsthand the stressors that they experience. And that's why we have representatives here from the Foling Police Department. And the two trailblazers are Marcelo Campuzano and Francisco Vas Vazquez. They are now in the public and police department. It was especially planned so they have separate uniforms and they have separate vehicles so they don't have the stigma of a patrol car pulling up and found a house. They are out in the community doing great work now. And I like to thank our healthcare agency for working through to get them approved to work in a police department. And so with that, I'd like to say thank you to all the social workers for your dedication and tireless efforts in making our community a better place. Before Dr. Kelly and Dr. Trown give some remarks, I'd like to ask if any of my colleagues want to say a few words. Vice Chair. Good morning, everyone. I'm Katrina Foley, County Supervisor, representing the fabulous fifth district, fifth district covers Costa Mesa, where I live, all the way down to St. Climany, 14 communities strong, and 31 miles of coast. This march is not only Irish American heritage month, and so happy Irish American heritage month to all of my Irish friends out there. also marks social work month. And this year's theme is empowering social workers. I want to express my deepest gratitude to all of our social workers, whether you work for the county or for a city or university. All of you are so valued and so critical to the system of care in our community. We know that social workers, they work tirelessly to support the most vulnerable in our community and their work is never done. It's hard at night to go home and go to sleep and not think about all of those cases that you're managing and what you need to do the next day. So we know that that is a real burden on you every day and we are grateful that you're willing to take up that cause and to serve. In the past year, in District 5, our county social workers supported 305 elders and dependent adults under adult protective services. And that's compared to last March, which was 238. So the work is getting more significant and more volume. Last in the last year, our social workers provided in-home support services to 4,936 residents. Again, up from 4,100 residents, 188 residents last year. So more need in our community, especially for seniors. Provided CalWORK's assistance to 2,781 residents. And again, last year at this time, the number was 2,757 residents. So just a slight uptick there, but nonetheless, still more work and more supports by our social workers for our community. Finally, they were able to place 161 youth into safe and nurturing homes. You can join me in empowering our social workers today and every day. I want to shout out to the Oasis Senior Center who I've partnered with for a scholarship for students who want to go into this important field. We have a need for social workers and we need to create paths into this field so that we have more students willing to take on this important service. also in the cities of Costa Mesa, Newport Beach and Dana Point, have long had our social workers and case managers embedded in with our outreach response teams, our local law enforcement teams, and it is a great model that is used to be able to diffuse situations, provide care and assistance and access to resources, while also keeping our social workers safe in the event of any kind of potential incident. So thank you all to the social workers here behind me, the ones out in front of me, and all of you in your offices and in the field today, we truly appreciate you. Please do go to oc4kids.com and consider fostering or adopting youth. Call adult protective services at 1-800-451-5155. If you suspect abuse of any elders or dependent adults and call the child abuse hotline at 7149401000 to report child abuse or neglect. Thank you all and please do empower our social workers. Thank you. Morning everybody, I'm Vicente San Miento, Orange County Supervisor for the second district Let me just begin by saying, please join me in giving everybody behind me a big round of applause. And all the social workers that do great work. We're out of our cities and our county. You know, I think what was said by the chair was something I wanted to lean into., we sometimes know that our social worker teams see people on their worst day. And they do it with a lot of grace, they do it with a lot of compassion. So I want to thank them for that because we know it's such a difficult job for all of us to see. And these are truly our frontline staff and people that I am proud to stand with. And not in front of, but shoulder to shoulder with because we know how important a job there is that they do. And we know that it's becoming more acute with respect to youth, with respect to our elders and people that are struggling. And so I want to thank them for everything that they continue to do. And as the chair was saying, they do put themselves also in harm's way because they're entering situations that are very unknown and unforeseeable sometimes when they're going to a welfare check. They're going to a moment of crisis or trauma for somebody. So they also demonstrate courage in addition to demonstrating compassion. One of the programs I know that the chair mentioned was the MSW program that we are helping with the grants at Cal Optima. And that's shown incredible success. There's been incredible interest because the grants also look for candidates who perform the work in a culturally competent way. when you go into a home, when you go into a setting, you really don't know what to expect and having people that are able to go ahead and speak in a person's native language, a person that will understand different backgrounds, can de-escalate and can create a much safer environment and a much better encounter for everybody involved. So I want to thank them for all the work and let them know that we stand proud with them just to let you know some of the impacts that they've had in my district which covers all of Santa Ana, parts of Anaheim, Orange, Tusson and Garden Grove. They've supported 251 elders and dependent children, dependent adults, through adult protective services. Also, our social workers have provided in-home supportive services to 8,616 residents in district two. We've also delivered CalWORKs assistance to 10,571 residents and placed 620 district two youth in safe and nurturing homes. So I know we were just, you know, looking at the stats. If you combine a lot of what has happened in all five districts, it's an incredible amount of work and incredible volume that we do because we know that the need is just getting stronger and stronger. So again, I think we're recognizing social work month this month, but we really do celebrate their work all year long, because this is really one of the core services that the county delivers is making sure that our residents are healthy. They have resources. They feel supported and they feel seen. And a lot of times we don't take enough time to thank them. So this is the opportunity for all of us to let them know how valuable their work is. So thank you all for everything that you do, especially here in the second district where we know the problem is very acute and you have some unique challenges. So with that, I'm going to go ahead and see the microphone to the next speaker. Thank you. Briefly or at least comparatively. I want to be here and thank all of our social workers and recognize that you know we do this every year and call these people up here say thank you. The reason we do this every year and that's important is because it is every day that those folks are out in the streets, out in the community, out in homes, schools, wherever, doing the things that need to be done to make sure that we are a thriving community. You saw on the video the whole gamut of people served by our social workers from young pregnant women, children, teenagers, young adults with the problems that increasingly, I can't even remember any longer, those sorts of things that impact our adults, our senior populations, all of those, all of those are addressed by our social workers on the ground. I had the opportunity to do a drive along once, ride along with one of our social workers. And I can tell you, I wanna use the word magic. I certainly know it's something that I couldn't do, but the ability is to connect to make families and relationships and community dynamics stronger is just magical what these folks are able to do. So we recognize them once a year because we know every day they are out there on the ground doing incredible work. I have no idea how all the people behind me are going to get into the picture that we do at the end to celebrate all of these. But the truth is there are so many more people out there who deserve to be in the picture and it's to each and every one of you to receive this board recognition. this year's theme, Compassion Plus Action is fitting for us because Compassion is one of our agency's core values. For our social workers, Compassion is at the heart of everything they do. With Compassion, they provide meaningful care and support to vulnerable children, elderly adults, and dependent adults who suffer abuse, neglect, and exploitation. With compassion, they equip families and caregivers with education and the resources that they need to support their loved ones and their families. With compassion, they strive to understand the needs of everyone they serve and to relate to them on a human level. And with compassion, they instill hope. And they empower those that they serve to succeed and be the best that they can be. So on behalf of SSA, I am proud and grateful for our social workers and their commitment to serve and protect the most vulnerable in our county. So thank you very much. Applause. Good morning. Thank you Chairman J. Fee and Honorable Board of Supervisors for your recognition of this very important month. The health care agency is an agency that is filled with clinical social workers. We assess the biopsychosocial experience of a person. We formulate a diagnosis. We implement treatment that is person person centered and done in partnership with our client that is based on integration of theory and practice. At the healthcare agency, our clinical social workers partner with our clients, living with serious mental illness and or substance use disorder, people who may be incarcerated or are otherwise just as involved. People living with diseases, such as HIV and AIDS, people who are impacted with a myriad of physical health impacts that affect their everyday functioning. As clinical social workers, the theme compassion plus action is part of our ethical code. It's part of our ethical principles. I've been a clinical social worker myself for 34 years. I have my master's degree in social work and my doctoral degree in social work. I pretty much eat, sleep, and unfortunately for my children live social work every day. And no two days are ever the same. It's challenging. 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By mobilizing the power of volunteers, the Red Cross alleviates suffering during emergencies by being one of the first responders on site to help families, individuals with basic needs and support. From the 19th century to the present, the American Red Cross has provided services after many disasters, the most recent one being the LA fires. Today we recognize the work of our local Orange County Red Cross chapter and thank them for their compassion and eagerness to support those in need. So I'd like to invite up, if they're here, Becky Fiery, a elected director at the American Red Cross of Orange County, board chair David Inqual, David here. All right, board member Rachel Selick, and community leader, community volunteer leader Ross Chun. And before director director of fire, he gives remarks with any of my colleagues like to say a few words. Vice Chair, are you? First, okay. Briefly, Katrina Flake County Supervisor represents the fifth district. I am so grateful for the work of the Red Cross. They are a great partner for us, especially during fires, making sure that people have a place to go and they provide resources. And of course we want to make sure that everyone knows that we really do need you to give blood. So thank you to the American Red Cross for all that you do. Donate, donate, donate, you can't make this stuff. We have to give this stuff and it is increasingly in need. There are short supplies, donate. One of my staffers just got a certificate and I've texted him and I don't know the number of it as to how many pints he has donated in the course of a lifetime. And my daughter just achieved a personal best. She told us not to terribly long ago that the last time she gave a pint, she did it in something like three minutes, three and a half minutes, which is great if you're donating blood, not so good if maybe you cut yourself and you bleed out right there on the floor. But end of the day, this is important it's something that my family and my staff have leaned into, we've done blood. Donor drives with a Red Cross because it's so important. Donate, donate, donate, donate. Please, they say you give life that is not an overstatement. You give life, let's donate. Thank you. I'm proud to join my colleagues in recognize American Red Cross Month and celebrating the dedication of volunteers, donors and staff who provide hope and support during times of crisis. The American Red Cross serves as a crucial lifeline, whether it's responding to disasters, helping families in need or providing life-saving blood donation. The Red cross is always there when we need them the most. I've actually have had the privilege of partnering with them every year, numerous times a year, setting up blood drives in our community. And particularly, there's times where we've actually targeted just within the age and community, because there are certain plateslets that is needed that is not commonly available for those who need those plates, and so we're really, really grateful for the American Red Cross for all their volunteers and for all the donors throughout the years and decades ago. Because without it, we would not be able to save so many lives. And so let's continue to support their great work. And again, thank you so much to the American Red Cross. On behalf of the American Red Cross and our Board of Directors, we extend our heartfelt thanks to Chairman Chafee and the Honourable Board of Supervisors for proclaiming March as Red Cross Month. As they shared, it's been a chair-stradition since 1943 when President Franklin Roosevelt initiated the first proclamation. Throughout the month of March, we honor the people who make the lifesaving mission of the American Red Cross possible. The individuals across our county who turn compassion into action, helping others in times of crisis. The mission of the American Red Cross is to prevent and alleviate human suffering in the face of emergencies by mobilizing the power of volunteers and the generosity of donors. With a workforce composed of 90% volunteers, every day in Orange County volunteers roll up their sleeve to donate blood, respond to disasters from home fires to wildfires, providing comfort and care to affected residents, and get trained in vital health and safety skills, as well as supporting our military and veteran communities. We are proud to partner with the County of Orange, and deeply appreciate your support for our mission. We're thankful for the many county employees who've worked closely with the Red Cross over the years so we can be better prepared for all types of emergencies and future disasters in our community including our incredible social workers. We saw this collaboration in action last fall in response to the airport fire and will continue to stay in collaboration. We'd also like to extend our heartfelt thanks to the county for organizing many blood drives and supporting our community blood supply. Last year, over 90,000 units of life-saving platelets, plasma and red blood cells were collected here in Orange County to support the needs of our local hospital patients. As we celebrate Red Cross Month, we invite everyone to join us, volunteer, donate blood, or platelets, take a class or make a donation. Thank you again for recognizing Red Cross month. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next slide. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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Our Orange County Procurement Office continues to innovate and work with our regional partners to increase efficiency and increase potential savings. If I'd like to invite up Chief Financial Officer Kim Engelby, County Procurement Officer Maria Agruisa, and any procurement staff that have doing out here, we want to see you all appear and recognize you. And any my colleagues like to say a few words. Good morning Katrina Foley County Supervisor representing the fifth district and this month March is procurement month. Procurement professionals day as May 12th I'm, March 12th of 2025. Four years ago when I joined the Board of Supervisors, I joined with an unwavering commitment to champion a thriving economy, supporting and revitalizing our middle class and increasing government efficiencies. The county procurement alliance was initiated about one week after Ms. Agrusa joined the county of Orange Family. In 2021, we had a mayor's meeting and then mayor Connor Trout from the city of Winap Park had questions and an idea about how can cities piggyback onto county contracts much like they do in school districts to make it less expensive for cities to buy materials and goods. We all loved this idea and we started seeking opportunities for government agencies to partner on contracts to reduce costs and increase efficiencies for taxpayers. The ethics and contract policy manual reforms passed recently are also the first of many necessary oversight and transparency measures to restore the public trust of our county led by our procurement office. Through the office's vendor information day, every month and annual outreach forum, we have already increased our supplier pool by 10%. Also, in our work on the Orange County Housing Finance Trust, a supervisor, Sarmiento and I sit on that board, and we started talking to the developers about what are the impediments to building housing? And why is it costing so much to build a unit of housing? And so one of the impediments was, of course, the costs of goods and supplies, especially steel and lumber. And so I'm happy to report now all of our county partners, whether they're building housing, whether they are redeveloping our harbor, whether they're working in our parks, or any of our county facilities, now have the opportunity to, I'll call it piggybacking, there's probably some other legal term, onto our county vendor contracts. And as I'm told, they will reduce the price by at least 5% for matching any of the suppliers that these private developers have. So that's going to save money for our partners who are working on county projects, and it's going to save money for the taxpayers. So congratulations and thank you to your team Maria and everyone who work tirelessly to make sure our government is efficient and is working and that our local businesses are supported and part of our county family because I always say this when I'm out trying to get more local businesses to contract with the county one county contract can change the trajectory of this small local business many many of which are family owned. So happy procurement month and thank you all for deciding to choose this path for your field of work. Thank you. Good morning again. Thank you chair for bringing this forward and thank you vice chair for reminding us of the great work that our procurement staff do. We know you've been we've been keeping you all busy recently so there's changes in state law that have made you even more, you know, have your role even more robust here at the county. But we know that you also operate under incredible scrutiny. We know that 60% of the Public Records Act requests are related to procurement. So you really do have a critical role here in making sure that not only the public trust but the public integrity here of our agency is followed. So we thank you for making sure that you keep the standards very, very high. I specifically want to thank you for supporting local and disadvantaged businesses. As the vice chair was mentioning, we know that we've expanded access to include supplier, county focus groups, monthly supplier information days, and outreach, a trade shows and city events. The fourth annual supplier outreach event on April 16, 2025 already has 300 suppliers and over 1,500 attendees that are registered to attend. So, you know, those are all good things. I think that what we want to do is make sure we expand these opportunities to everybody, especially small and micro businesses here because we know they employ so many of our folks. But really, we just want to thank you and and I want to thank you personally for the transparency, for the effort that you've made to make sure that there is integrity in our process, because a lot of times the public doesn't understand how rigorous the procurement, the RFP processes, we know it's incredibly detailed, and you do that with a lot of patients, with a lot of professionalism. So thank you for your dedication, your compliance, transparency, and engaging the community and making sure that those who maybe are not familiar with the county's process become more familiar through the outreach and vendor days, supplier information days that you have here. know know that you do, it's an incredibly tedious job, so sometimes we don't get to thank you as much, so on this month and on every month, we wanna thank you for all the professionalism you dedicate to your work. Thank you. This recognition serves as a time to celebrate the essential work of county procurement professionals. Procurement is critical in supporting the wide range of services that counties provide to residents from public safety and health care to infrastructure and community development. Procurement employees ensure taxpayers' dollars are spent effectively and efficiently. Their work is what keeps our government accountable and transparent. I look forward to the future of our county procurements as we look forward to improving our technology and also enhancing our collaboration. You know, our county cannot move without this set of workers, I mean, of employee professionals, because we need everything that they're looking to help us purchase in this county to move us. And so we really appreciate what you do every day. And like, you know, some of my colleagues mentioned, you know, it is very difficult what you do. With all the PRAs and all the scrutiny that you get, but you still steadfast, protect the county, protect the taxpayer and we do appreciate it. 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Heavenly Father, as we gather today to conduct our business, we humbly seek your guidance in making decisions on behalf of the people of Orange County. We recognize the trust placed in us, and we ask for your wisdom to help us serve in the best interests of all those we represent. Grant us the strength and foresight to implement policies that not only reflect the will of the people, but more importantly, align with your will, Lord. We ask that you bless our discussions and decisions so that they may bring about positive change for our community. In your holy name, we pray. Amen. It is an honor for me and a privilege to stand here before you as we're as a proud American. We deeply grateful for freedoms, we enjoy a citizen of this great nation. As we prepare to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, I invite you all to reflect on the values that bind us together. Liberty, justice, and the commitment to improving our community. Please raise, well, you know, raising, please join me in honoring our flag and ideals of which it stands for. I pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice. Thank you, supervisors Wagner and Nguyen. A couple of reminders for today's meeting. Please use the main entrance when entering and leaving the room all the other doors are alarmed and are for emergency exit only. Please set all phones to mute or vibrate at this time and for the duration of the meeting. List of today's changes, today's agenda, along with the agendas and requests to speak are located in the lobby outside the boardroom. Board will be breaking for lunch around the new hour during which time we're also recessed to close session. Parking validation for the P4 parking lot adjacent to the county administration north is available. Please see the deputy clerk next to the podium to receive a parking validation card. We'll now move to the agenda for this morning's meeting. Agenda contains a brief description of each item to be considered, except as otherwise provided by law, no action may be taken on any item not appearing in today's agenda. Agenda is divided into sections. All matters on the consent calendar may be approved by one motion, unless they board member or member the public request separate action on a specific item. If you wish to address the board, please complete a speaker request form, which is located out in the lobby outside. Completed forms need to be deposited in box box next to the clerk or the podium I should say prior to the beginning of the calling of the item. Ensure a small conduct of the meeting speaker request forms must be turned in prior to the beginning of the consent calendar the reading of the eventual agenda item and or the beginning of public comments. Speakers may address the board on up to three occasions and do the large number of speaker requests this morning, which moment number 42 with more possibly coming in. You have two minutes allotted to the speaker for occasion to give everyone who wants to speak an opportunity to do so. We're called to speak. We step to the podium. Acquist that you state your name and city residence for the record. You may remain anonymous if you wish. Please note the light on the podium. The green light means you have two minutes. The light changes to yellow and you have one minute and the light turns red when your time has expired. We ask that you observe the time limits so that all wish to speak will have an opportunity to do so. When addressing the board, please address the board as a whole through the chair. During my first meeting, I mentioned my intention to move CEO and board comments at the end of the beginning of the agenda. This morning we're doing that as an experiment. If it's not working well, then we'll move it back to the end where we had it before. So at this time I'm inviting members of the board as supervisors to comment on any agenda or non-adend item. May I ask questions to go direction to staff? And no action may take on off agenda items. And I would like to limit those comments to no more than two minutes each if we may. And so, surprised to win, have you any comments? None. Supervisor Sarmiento? going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. So if you were to go to ocgov.com, and about halfway down, if you scroll and click on visit newsroom, and then on the left-hand side, if you click budget and finance, and then go to the quick links section, there's a provide public feedback button, and that's where you would go to provide your feedback related to the county's fiscal year 2526 budget. Staff are working now with departments and preparing and reviewing those budgets. And if you provide feedback, you will receive a response back from either our CFO or our budget director. and so we look forward to your comments and your feedback. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, CEO. And like now to move to our agenda items, first I ask the clerk to identify any changes to the agenda and any request received from the public to pull an item of the consent calendar for separate consideration. Madam Tark. Thank you very much. Under the consent calendar, item one has been deleted. And under closed session calendar, CS1 and CS4 have been deleted. The public has not requested to pull any items from the consent calendar. Colleagues, any requests to treat an item separately in the consent calendar? Seeing none, may I have a motion for approval? We didn't second any objection, motion carries. Now we move on to item six. I'd ask the clerk to please read the item. Under audit controller, approve contract with Deloitte Consulting LLP for enterprise resource planning transformation in modernization project. An authorized county procurement officer or deputized designate to execute contract and related Oracle American Inc Cloud Services agreement and end user ordering documents. We have no request to speak on agenda item six. All district item. With the item. Seconded. Any objection? Motion carries. Item seven please. Under Sheriff corner, approve of amendment one to contract with Lexipole LLC, for additional policy manuals. And authorized county procurement officer or deputy designated to execute amendment. We have no request to speak on agenda item seven. It's an all-dustric item. Move the item. Supervisor Sarmiantou. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. I'll be voting no on this item as I did last time it came before us. I do want to thank the sheriff because the ASR does state that the utilization of lexapole doesn't bind the sheriff to the stock policies provided within the system. Instead, lexapole serves as a tool facilitate policy management and accessibility. So there is full autonomy left with the sheriff. So I appreciate that. I think there's flexibility that's being allowed on this. But I do have an issue with the way some of the training information that's provided in the manuals. This is obviously a sole source in this industry. There just aren't many vendors that do this type of work. So I know we're limited with that. I always believe that an agency as large as ours could bring a lot of that work in house. We have a very unique county and we could tailor some of our practices and policies to the needs that we have here. Another issue I have is that with their standard policy on the use of force, the national consensus policy on use of force, a collaboration of 11 major law enforcement groups emphasizes the importance of deescalation before resorting to force when possible. Unfortunately, Lexipol's policies discourage police departments from requiring deescalation, which I believe is a step in the wrong direction. I also want to say that I'm troubled by the lack of detail in some of the policies that they provide, for instance, their policy on the use of less than lethal equipment is vague, especially in situations involving large crowds. So for these and other reasons, I will not be supporting the item, but I do appreciate that the sheriff is looking at this as a baseline policy manual and training material and looking at doing some of his own in house. Specifically tailored policies and practices when it comes to information. And I know one of the things that Lexible hasn't done in the past well is accessing public and input community engagement. And I hope that our sheriff will do that in order for us to build a very robust and clear set of policy procedures and practices. So those are my comments. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Supervisor, for explaining your reservations. Anyone else, not in favor? Any other objections? Seeing none, motion carries 421 with Supervisors, Sarb Ranto, voting no. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. I do not know. not in favor. Any other objections? Seeing none, motion carries 421 with supervisors, Sarbrianto, voting no. Item eight. I'm gonna share a corner, approve of amendments six to contract with Prices LLC for consultant services, for inmate telephone system services, and authorized county procurement officer or deputy designated to execute amendment. We have no requests to speak on agenda item eight. This is a district two and three item. Any objection? Motion carries. Item nine please. Under Sheriff Corn, approve contract with Fujitech America Inc. For elevator maintenance and repair services at the O'Lacey facility. And author is Kenneth Buchanan, officer deputized as a need to execute contract. We have no requests to speak on agenda item 9. As a district two item. Who did second it? Any objection? The item is approved. Item 10, please. Under Sheriff corner, approve amendment one to contract with Grova, Aluminum Boats doing business as metal shark to revise delivery and C trails section of scope of work. In other words, can it be given officer to be designated to execute amendment? We have no request to speak on agenda item 10. I suggest you to provide five items. Thank you. This amendment is to support the purchase of one new 35-foot fire boat and it'll allow the harbor patrol to make design changes to the deck layout and equipment location in order to keep continuity with the current fire boats and keep the staff and our public safe. This is part of a larger effort to update our harbor patrol boats in the coming years. And just so all you know, the Orange County Sheriff's Harbor Patrol is responsible for 24 seven maritime law enforcement, firefighting and emergency response along the 48 miles of Orange County coastline with three major significant harbors, Newport Beach, Sunset Huntington, and Dana Point Harbor. With that, I'll move the item. No, I will second the item. Any objection? The item is approved. Item 11, please. Under Tresor Task Collector, approve amendment 7 to renew contract with Bloomberg Finance LP. For a real time electronic investment in financial market access with trade order management. And approve amendment 5 to renew contract with Bloomberg Finance LP for daily security market pricing. And authors can be can a procurement officer or deputized as they need to to execute amendment We have no requests to speak on agenda item 11 move the item this hall district item but moved in second at aim Jackson item is approved item 12 Please under health agency approve continuation of local health emergency by county's health officer issued on September 20 2024 for Tribute Go Canyon airport fire and the fact that areas to facilitate debris and ash removal as well as mitigation efforts to protect water wells and set review to determine need for continuing local health emergency for April 8th, 2025 930 AM and 30 days thereafter until terminated. We have no recourse to speak on agenda item 12. This is an all district item. Second. Moved in seconded, any objection? The item is approved unanimously. Item 13, please. Unhelt carried and see proof of amendment three to contract with matrix imaging products ink. For scanning, indexing, reduction, and imaging services and renew contract. An authorized candidate procurement officer or deputized as aate to exercise cost contingency increase not to exceed 10% under certain conditions and execute amendment. We have no request to speak on agenda item 13. This is an all district item. Move the item. Move and seconded. Any objection? Motion carries. Thank you item 14. I do help your agency approve contract with Western Youth Services for crisis intervention training for first responders and authorized county procurement officer or deputized as they need to execute contract. We have no request to speak on agenda item 14. It's a district five item. Thank you. Cross-onation, nearly 17% of youth ages 6 to 17 years are experiencing mental health concerns and one in six children in right here in Orange County are suffering from mental illness that affects about 100,000 children in our community. Located in district five in Laguna Hills, the Western Youth Services is leading a leading expert in mental health and wellness solutions in Orange County. partner with government agency school districts including Newport, Mesa, Unified also in district five and other youth serving Organizations with that. I'll move the item second with comment Suvar as a Sarm reento. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair So this contract ensures that our first responders law enforcement dispatchers E personnel and firefighters, access to training on how to handle crisis. So I'm super, super supportive of this item. And as we are speaking to our social workers earlier today and celebrating them, we realize that many of these trained professionals that are going to be receiving this training are going to be better for that. One of the things is that although the crisis intervention trainings that we're approving today are optional, I wanna strongly encourage all our law enforcement officers and first responders to take advantage of them. These are incredibly valuable. This will help making sure that issues of deescalation, mental health first aid, PTSD, burnout awareness are done preemptively. These trainings are valuable post a traumatic event, but they're incredibly valuable in advance and done before an incident does spiral out of control. So to the extent that we can motivate and incentivize, encourage anybody who is going to be responding to a crisis moment. To have access to this valuable training, I certainly want to welcome you to take advantage of this. And I think this is one of the things that we do well, which is training people in advance of a moment of crisis. So with that, I'm happy to second the end. Any more comments? It's been moved in second and objection. The item has approved item 15, please. On health care agency, approve amendment one to renew master contract with various providers of year round shelter services. And authorize county procurement officer or deputized as it needs to to execute amendment we have no request to speak on agenda item 15. This is a district two and five item. I'll move the item with comment. We've been a seconded supervisor fully. Thank you. So friendship shelters located in Laguna, but they provide services throughout South Orange County and they have been helping to support our system of care since 1988. The operate a full spectrum of services to end homelessness, including outreach, shelter, housing navigation, financial assistance, and permanent housing with supportive services. If you'd like to learn more about the Friendship Shelter, you can call 949-499-449494 6928 or visit their website friendship shelter.org this is a critical partner because in South Orange County we still do not have any other shelters other than through the friendship shelters so with with that, I will move the item. Moody and second, any objection? Motion carries, item seven, 16. Under health care agency, move contract with ImageTrend LLC for software maintenance and database hosting services. And otherwise, can't it be carried out with office or a deputized execute contract? We have no request to speak on agenda item 16. All district item. Move the item. No 10 second, any objection? Item is approved. Item 17, please. Under John Wayne Airport, approve amendment three to renew subordinate contract with Siemens Industry Inc. For Facility, Security, Fire, and Building Automation Systems. Another risk can't be given. officer or dipitized as a need to exercise cost contingency increase, not to see 10% under certain additions and execute amendment. We have no recourse to speak on agenda item 17. Mr. Justice, I'm sorry. With the item. Second, the second, the objection. Item is approved, item 18 please. Under John Wayne Airport, approved commuter airline operating license with the Lux Public Charter LLC doing business as JSX air. Authorized director or does it need to extend term for one additional year and make minor modifications and amendments under certain conditions. And we receive two requests to speak on agenda item 18. Please call the speakers. George Sumner and Carrie Forbes. Please come forward. Good morning, Chairman Chaffee and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is George Sumner and I am one of the owners of Jay's Air Center, alongside Jay and Amir Ganbarzade. Thank you for your time today and your service to our county. I appreciate the opportunity to speak before the board today and appreciate our ongoing partnership with the county. We'd like to extend our sincere thanks to airport director Reynolds and her entire staff for their support and collaboration throughout the JSX relocation process. Over 40 years, Jay is proudly served the general aviation community at the airport. we believe that allowing JSX to utilize a small portion of our FBO space will be a positive addition for the airport. We believe that allowing JSX to utilize a small portion of our FBO space will be a positive addition for the airport and the community. We believe this opportunity will help us continue to grow and improve our services and we look forward to what the future holds are excited to be part of the county's continued success. Thank you for your time today. Thank you. Next speaker please. Good morning. Good morning, Chair Chaffee, Vice Chair Foley, and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Carrie Forbes. I am the Chief Legal Officer and Head of Government and Regulatory Affairs for JSX. I'm here today to respectfully urge your approval of the revised commuter airline operating license which will allow JSX to proceed with its proposed relocation at John Wayne Airport. On behalf of our co-founder and CEO Alex Wilcox, I want to express JSX's deep appreciation for the partnership that has brought us to this pivotal moment. As you know, J-SX currently operates from ACI Jets leasehold on the east side of JWA. However, the upcoming Taxiway Reconstruction Project necessitates or move to J's aircraft maintenance leasehold on the west side. The relocation to 3000 airway avenue will ensure continuity of our service and minimize disruption for JWA travelers and staff. This change also means continued access to JSEX's Embraer 135 and 145 aircraft, the quietest passenger jets for commercial travel at John Wayne Airport, directly benefiting the local community with quieter skies. In addition, JSX has voluntarily invested millions of dollars in and remains firmly committed to its class leading safety and security programs. I want to extend our profound gratitude to the airport staff, county staff, airport director Charlene Reynolds Reynolds, fifth district supervisor and vice chair Katrina Foley, and to the city of Costa Mesa for their steadfast collaboration. Their leadership has been instrumental in navigating this process and bringing us to this vote today. Approving this relocation will reinforce Orange County's reputation as a forward thinking aviation hub Delivering safe secure hassle-free and low noise travel to residents and visitors We respectfully ask for your support to finalize this transition. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Supplies are wager Thank you, Mr. Chairman I will not make the motion, but I will happily second it. This is a long time coming. All right. It's been moved. I will second it. J.S. has been a stalwart at the airport for so long, longer than any of us have been on the board. And it's just a wonderful community asset, a wonderful partner of ours at the airport. J.S. X. is a little bit newer, but also very clearly provides a service that the people of Orange County want and our ability to accommodate the folks in Orange County. JSX is willingness to invest in those quieter aircraft that were just testified to by their general counsel. And the partnership with Jays is something that I am very happy to support. I want to thank the vice chair for her work at the airport. Director Reynolds for helping make this happen. We've all been immersed in this in a long time. This is a good, good solution. It's not the end of the road, but it is a really good interim solution. And I am proud to be able to vote for a solution that keeps JSX at our airport. Thank you. Supervisor Foley? Thank you. Well, as Supervisor Wagner said, this has been a long journey and it came with I think a rough start, but a smooth landing. How's that for a pun? So, this agreement and this vote today will allow J-SX, which has held the sublease with ACIJET since 2018 to then move across the airport to a sublease with Jays. This is going to help Jays because they are in need of a tenant like JSX. They needed JSX needed to move away from the ACI jet area because of all the construction that we're also going to begin in that area. We've received all the necessary approvals from the FAA and TSA. They've been an excellent partner at the airport and for those of you who may not know, JSX is a public charter but they are subject to the settlement agreement so they are subject to the curfew. They are subject to the total passenger carry every year, but most importantly, they fly the cleanest, quietest, greenest planes. And so that's the kind of airline that we want to encourage and see more of out of John Wayne Airport. They are setting the standard and we know that with the work of Director Reynolds, we've seen the commercial airlines even move from 10 percent that are the cleanest and quietest airplanes, the best newest technology to 37 percent just over the last few years. So we're moving in the right direction. I know Newport Beach and Costa Mesa will appreciate quieter skies overhead. So as indicated this has been many years in the making, we've had numerous meetings. I also want to give a shout out to the great work of director Reynolds and her team to bring this home. I want to thank the collaboration with Alex Wilcox and his team at JSX. It was great to get to know him and for us to be able to see that we both have mutually beneficial interests in moving this forward for the airport. And then I want to thank Jay's for their flexibility and their willingness to bring on this new tenant. I also want to make sure that I give a shout out to our Newport Beach Aviation Committee who helped us to vet issues that they were concerned about to my advisory team members and to our airport commissioner, Sue DeVorack, Jack Strandberg and Jill Johnson, who made sure that the safety plans that were proposed by JSX and their incredible safety officer who really is just phenomenal, did a great job of making sure that everyone was comfortable, because there's a through the fence agreement, and to the city of Costa Mesa for helping us to get the building permits approved in a timely manner. I'll continue to work with Ms. Reynolds and Jay's and the Southern California Pilots Association to support our small pilots and ensure that no small aircraft are displaced. They're an important part of our airport community and we want to make sure that we protect them. So happy to make the motion and appreciate the supervisor Wagner's second. All right, any other comments? I'd like to thank the Jetsuitex staff for coming my office and working me through the parking arrangement. That was a concern to me and it seems to be working well. And any objection? Seeing none, motion carries unanimously. Item 19, please. I know a seat committee resources acting as the Board of Supervisors, authorize director or designate to utilize available funding for loan financing to a limited partnership to be formed by CNC Development Company LLC for development of L-True II senior apartments, 18597 and 18602 L-True Delay in New York, a approved related loan commemies in subordination of financing to first and second trust deed loans. Authorized director or designate to subordination additional senior debt up to 100% and execute related documents under certain conditions. Acting as the Orange County Housing Authority, approved selection of L3D2 senior apartments for utilization of eight project based vouchers. authorized executive director director of Orange County Housing Authority or designate to execute related documents under certain conditions. We have no request to speak on agenda item 19. The test is three out of. Second. We didn't move to second. Any objection? Motion carries. Item 20 please. No, no, see public works public works approved job order contracts with various contractors for electrical, roofing, and slurry and paving services and authorized director designated to execute contracts. And we have one request to speak on agenda item 20. Please call the speaker or son Russell. Good morning Chairman Chaffee, members of the board. I just reading over this as well as 22, I'm speaking on item 20, but they both fall into kind of the same context for me. We just had obviously a celebration of our procurement officers and love the duty that they do, but we talked about transparency and accountability. This has $3 million each, and that's not really clear as far as what $3 million each is, is this to each contractor? Like what is the cumulative total for these? And number two, there's no contract numbers. So from a sense of transparency, we'd like to like shell this until can we see some contract numbers? Is there someone that we can contact to get that information? And that falls into the same thing with item 22, which I know I'm speaking on item 20, but that's $4 million to each, right? And none of the other contracts out there say to each or in a broad spectrum, there's much more details involved. So in a sense of accountability and transparency, we just like as the public to see where at least 3 million is going, is it more than that? Is it 30 million? There's really nothing in item number 20 that really designates what the clarity is on these things. So if you could help us get more clarity on that as the public and concerned about how tax dollars are being spent, we'd really appreciate it, sir. Thank you. Comments. Do we have somebody from public works that come up, please? Well, it's right in the staff report. We can answer it. No, I'm asking the public. It's pretty clear in the staff report. It is my understanding these are on call as needed but then there will be a contract awarded as items are needed. Would you explain the process please? Kevin Anouma, Director of Public Works. So the contracts are executed but therefore maintenance repair and rehabilitation projects. So as projects come up, whether it's emergency work, planned or unplanned work, we issue task orders basically to the contractors for the needed work. Let's say if there's pipe breaks, leaks, it's for addressing those types of incidents that come up. So it's kind of ready to go if we needed. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. Any more question? All right. Supervisor Foley. All of the item with comment. Make your comments please. Okay. Well just to be clear for the speaker if you read the staff report on item 20 it identifies each of the different contractors electrical services with expand development in an amount not to exceed three million because they are for On-call services or for if we need to hire someone in a short period of time that public works as the opportunity to do that. The second contract is for ABM electrical and lighting solutions ink for the same amount. Third is electrical services with hairy H. Joe construction ink, same amount. And then electrical services with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, with mouse, smith, electrical services, Harry H. Joe construction ink, same amount, and then electrical services with Mel Smith electric ink in the same amount. Fifth is roofing services for best contracting services ink. Next one is roofing services with Bishop ink, roofing services with Exbondond Development Inc., Paving and Slurry services with Bi-Tech Construction Company Inc., and Slurry and Paving Services with Horizons Construction Company Inc. And all of them for a not-to-excede $3 million. That doesn't mean that we're spending $3 million per contract. It's just that's how much they can contract with them and when it expires they have to come back to the board. Thank you. All right, it's not the U.S. who moved in seconded in the objection. Motion carries. Item 21, please. I know OSEPE. OCEP Public Works Recintors, OCE Sheriff, Corner Records, Control60 104 B 113 C 114 D 123 C 124 E 125 C 163 D 164 C 277 D 352 B 353 B 354 A 356 A 357 A 366 A, 368 A, 369 A, 378 A, 371 A, 372 A, and 386 A. And I approve revised, excuse me, and approved OC, Sheriff, coroner records, retention schedules, 56E, 104C, 113D, 123D, 124F, 125D, 164D, 277E, 353C, 354B, 356B, 357B, 367B, 368B, 369B, 371B, 372B, 386B, 387. And this item does require a four-fifth vote of the members present. And we have no requests to speak on is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. The bill is billed. with one abstention. That means we have a four vote approval with one abstention. So that satisfies the four fifths requirement. The item carries. Let's go on to item 22, please. Under OC Public Works, approved job order contracts with various contractors for heating, ventilation, air conditioning, and demolition services. And not the right director or designate to execute contracts. We have no request to speak on agenda item 22. So now district item. Second. Moved in second, an objection. Motion carries item 23 please. And OCE Public Works acting as a board of supervisors at Orange County Flood Flood Control District approve contract with Vogel Traffic Services in doing business as easy liner for purchase and delivery of easy liner truck mounted striping machine. I approve contract with Los Angeles Truck Center LLC doing business as velocity truck centers for purchase and delivery of two 2026 114 SD trucks, authorized, excuse me, direct auto controller to utilize, modified fiscal year, 2024, 25 equipment schedule, and authorized county procurement officer or deputized designate to execute contracts. We have no request to speak on agenda item 23. This is an all district item. We have a motion and a second, any objection. Motion carries item 24, please. And OCE Ways and Recycling approve amendment three to renew contract with SCA of California, LLC for street sweeping services. An authorised can it be a government officer or deputised as a need to make minor modification, under certain conditions and execute amendment. We have no request to speak on agenda item 24. This is a district three, four, and five item. I will move the item. Moved in seconded, the objection. Motion carries. The one to item 25. Under county council, adopt resolution. Resolute in resolution number nine, five, dash nine, four, six, dissolving Treasury oversight committee, establishing investment oversight committee, and directing related actions. In adopt resolution rescinding resolution numbers 16-014 and 20-087, reestablishing audit oversight committee, directing members of the audit oversight committee to sit as members of investment oversight committee. And we have received two requests to speak on agenda item 25. Please call the speakers. Michael, we have Roe, Ruvanada. I'm going to have Michael's first pronounce her name, Mike Ineswee, as Michael M and Dean West. I didn't come here for this, but since I'm here, I might as well comment. I don't have that much interest in the aspects of the TTC saga that have to do with who was nice to whom and who wasn't as nice to somebody else. But I read these. I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. Can I interrupt? Because I think if you came to speak on another item and you turn your card in for that and you speak on this item, you might not be able to speak on that other item. We only get one item. Well, you. No, you can speak be able to speak on that other item. We only get one item. Well, you. No, you can speak up to three occasions, but you must address the item when it's called. Is this the item you want to speak on? Indeed. Okay. Okay, please go ahead. I'd give my clerk a set, please. Yeah, please start again. Thank you. Sorry, I misunderstood because he said he didn't come here to speak on this item. Pardon, I was just explaining that that's not the reason I made the trip. So I read this statement here in the CEO's fact sheet regarding the county's investment portfolio. What's further concerning with this direction is that it goes into best practices for investment and the United Nations and the to match the economics that advice for the system. Long your term investments, when the rate times are defined, the future rate cuts are anticipated. And I found that rather startling, because that is apparently not so. And anybody that has basic knowledge of financial markets should know that this is not so. So I'll just give you a quick lesson on how to do that. If current rates for the for six months' pressure is at four and a quarter percent, and the markets are anticipating that for the six months after that, the rates are going to be 3.3% and 3.4%. I think what the county CEO in that fact she thinks that is that by doing it one year and yet the 4.4% rate for the whole year, which sounds like a great deal. But that's not how financial markets work. In the financial markets, because the markets know the thing you know, namely, that rates are going to go down, the one-year treasury is not going to be priced at 4.25%. So that the one-year treasury is going to give you the same total rate at the end as a sequence of two six month treasurers. And I'm telling you, it's fairly basic understanding of how financial our economy is up. Thank you. Thank you. Last speaker is Dean West. Good morning, Chair of the Provisors and supervisors. My name is Dean West. I'm a resident of Lovely Mission, VA Hill. But I'm here on the request of the County Superintendent of Schools on the Associate Superintendent of Business of the Orange County Department of Ed. I do want to thank a supervisor Wagner for coming and speaking to the Department of Ed. Thank you to CEO Gary to all of the work that she's done to, in your recommendation, to include the County Superintendent of Schools, recognizing the oversight of that poll and the representation of that school funds. So we support that recommendation that you have two weeks ago and carried over to the day. So we support that recommendation. We know that you have left it open for another couple weeks for input. You may have received input. We don't know what that input is and what you have discussed. We have at our board, we did have the former chair come and ask that an educational voices on that If we do have additional educational voices Other than what is in the recommendation related to the voting roll the superintendent with Designee that we just asked that those be a appointee of the county superintendent of schools and We do have significant balances in there that make up of related to the Department of Ed, as well as the four community college districts, and several large districts and all of our districts in Orange County. So thank you for your consideration. Thank you for the opportunity for more public comment. And we just want to reinforce that we support the recommendation that you have and really, really appreciate the working relationship we have with the county and the leadership that you're providing. Thank you. No further speakers, Mr. Chairman. Okay. This is an old district item moved in Sanca Dead, supervisor Sarmanto. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. And I do want to thank the staff for continuing the item. I know that it was before us at the last meeting and I requested the continuance just so we could have the public become more familiar with what we're doing here. This is the first time since the bankruptcy 30 years ago that we're making a significant structural change to our investment fund oversight. So I did think that it was important enough for us to take a little bit more time, go through some of the detail as to what new iterations of the oversight structure would be. I know that the press has been confused on some of this. None of these things were done in back rooms. None of this done was outside the public domain. There was plenty of public discussion at the last meeting. There will be more public discussion today. As was mentioned, I want to thank members of the public that submitted suggestions. What they thought would be a good structure. I don't disagree with the staff's recommendation. I know there are some adjustments that I think would need to be included. One of them is that the public membership requirements for the audit oversight committee include language that reflects the need to have investment experience. Including that, I think that what we need to have now, if that same committee now is going to morph into the investment oversight committee, that they should have some expertise or academic background in public finance. Auditing and overseeing investments are two different subject matter expertise areas. And to the extent that there are talented people out there in the community. It is a very difficult thing to find people with both those subject matter experiences. So that's, you know, sometimes again, as somebody said, finding a unicorn that's able to do both those areas and do them well. I also know that we want to ensure that the auditor and treasure are included on the existing nine member body as non-voting members. And right now section 3.6 of the current Audit Oversight Committee bylaws says that the director of Internal Audit, Auditor Controller and Treasurer Tax Collector or their authorized designees shall attend all AOC meetings. The directors shall be non-voting members. I just want to make sure that that's codified, that they not just attend, but also become members of those boards as non-voting members, just so they can take place and sit at the table and not just be in the audience. I think it's an important optic, but it's also an exercise that I think they'll be a part of. And we have other boards and commissions throughout the county where we have non-voting members that sit at the dais on those respective bodies. One of the reasons I think that it's important to have them there is that there should be a deference paid to the will of the voters, both the auditor controller and the treasure tax collector are, they were voted in by the residents and they do need to have some opportunity to be able to apply. I think it will improve our institutional framework. So the only question I had and the only struggle I'm having with is with the new IOC committee knowing that the treasurer oversight committee had an inherent conflict which I completely see with respect to the treasurer tax collector appointing four members of that body. I think here what our resolution says is that the IOC could oversee compliance with any board approved investment policy. And I know that as structured, the AOC has both the chair and the vice chair in addition to the five members that are appointed by each of us. That's seven members of the public that are appointed by our body or ourselves serving on that in addition to the CEO. So it almost seems like we're overseeing ourselves sometimes and I think that the more objectivity to the extent that we could have maybe consideration to at large. Additional members of the public that could participate, I know that right now I think the number stands at eight including the school superintendent or a proxy or a designee. I completely support that, but just something for us to think about to make sure that we have members of the public that are as objective as possible, not simply just appointed by us, but maybe those who can apply with subject matter expertise to serve on those bodies. Those are my comments. I'm not opposed to the staff recommendation. I just think those are things for us to consider. Given that we see that there were some conflicts as the way the TOC was structured previously. Thank you. Thank you for your thoughtful comments. Sue Weiser-Wegger. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I do intend to support the motion as drafted. I do think that there are some legitimate reasons why we would not want the Treasury Attacks Collector to sit on this committee even as a non-voting member. One of the challenges that we have had with the Treasury Oversight Committee is her domination and she was able to dominate in terms of folks appointed to it, the inherent conflict of interest that Supervisor Sarmyando rightly spoke about, but just in other ways that are antithetical to the idea that she, at the time, was the official who was being overseen. And so there is no objection whatsoever to having her, the auditor controller, the internal auditor, whomever attending, participating, but not as members, as members of the public would with their own special expertise, they would be entitled to be heard. But I don't want us to recreate what was causing us some problems and that we are deliberately trying to move away with. The idea that we failed to respect the will of the voters by not making the a non-voting member I think is false because you know the the state law says it is our responsibility and yes in the past we delegated it we determined not to delegate it for reasons that are number one very clear in some of the press reports, number two very clear to this board unanimously in terms of why not make that delegation. But the will of the voters, as expressed in state law, the legislature responding to the voters, as said who has responsibility. We are elected by the voters. It is our responsibility. It is not in state law. It is not in the practice of this county that treasure attacks collector who responds to the will of the voters with respect to these investment decisions. and so to suggest the voters are disrespected by moving her out. When in truth, we gave her more responsibilities that we believe were not adequately discharged. And so the voters can put whoever they want in that office as long as state law is what it is, this board will rightly have the investment authority that that we exercise. And so I just don't believe that this is in any way an insult to the voters. In fact, this is this board stepping up in ways that perhaps it didn't back in the 90s to protect those very same voters who put us in office and who pay the taxes that keep this government running. I approve the item as written. Thank you. Thank you. Any more comments? Yes, go ahead. Supervisor. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. And I don't, again, I don't disagree and I'm not completely entrenched and on the idea of having them present versus being non-voting members. But I do want to also clarify that the way the Treasurer Oversight Committee was previously constructed gave a lot of authority to the Treasurer Tax Collector, not only was she a voting member and able to sit on that board, but she was able to appoint those that served. That is different than what we're introducing here today. That appointment authority comes back to the board. I really don't like to construct things based upon a fact pattern that we have here. Eventually, we will have another treasure tax collector, select treasure tax collector that will be voted in by the public. So we know that we want to have rules that will last. Rules that make sure that reflect everybody's opinion on there. And I do think as a treasure tax collector voted in by the county, they should also have an opportunity to be heard. And I think at the day is just because that is a role. The role will be much more confined as constructed and as proposed by the staff report today. The appointments will be made from this board. Again, rightfully so because we have the authority that we delegated, that authority will not be delegated as broadly as it was in the TOC. This it'll be much more confined to narrow. So I feel very comfortable having the Treasurer Collector and the Auditor Controller. Be able to answer questions from colleagues and other members that sit on that body. But again, that is my only reservation, just to make sure that they are not only present, but also held responsible for that role. And if they don't vote, that's fine, but they should be there to answer questions, not just simply in the audience and called up and sort of arbitrarily there. I think they have a responsibility to represent and be answerable to the public. So that is my point of view. I don't disagree with any of the other recommendations made by staff. I think we've been thoughtful and diligent. And again, to those that think that this was done lightly, that's the reason why this was continued so we could have this deliberation in public. So it's offensive to hear, unfortunately, from some of the press that this was done. Hap hazardly or arbitrarily or quickly. This was something that was done over time. And unfortunately, we didn't prop this scenario. This scenario was presented to us. And I think what happens sometimes is members of the press or members of the public will say, well, if something had gone wrong, they would have said, why didn't you act? Why didn't you do anything in advance? And so this is what we've done based upon, I think, good authority and good rationale. So I feel comfortable with the transition and introducing a new structure. I just again have reservations with the way the new IOC would treat the Treasurer Tax Collector, Auditor Controller, and others. So thank you, Mr. Chair. All right, we have a motion that's been moved in second, does there any objection to it? Okay, the motion carries unanimously Mr. Chair, can I get clarification of the motion who second? Okay, we didn't have a second. Oh, sorry. Okay. I thought you did. Yeah, okay All right Now we move on to item 26 under can executive office approve recommended positions on introduced or amended legislation and are considered other legislative subject matters. Approved 2025 state and federal legislative priorities and approved 2025 federal community project funding requests and we have one request to speak on agenda item 26. Please call the speaker. Patty Cabada. Good morning board. I ask that you please look into AB 86. It would require the State Board of Education to create kindergarten through eight sexual health education material, all based on the anti-family 2019 curriculum framework requiring kids to be positively taught to accept masturbation, oral sex, teen fornication, homosexuality, bisexuality, transexuality, abortion and more. scheduled March 12 for a hearing in the Assembly Education Committee. Now I'm asking that you please look into that because this state of California unfortunately has too many politicians that are writing laws that are directed at the children to put to sexualize, to put sexualized material in front of them. When it comes to a sexual preference, most parents don't want their child that is in kindergarten or first grade to be forced to have those kind of conversations or to be taught different kinds of sexual preferences from their teachers, or to even have conversations about that with children in the schools. Most parents want to have the opportunity to teach their children about sexuality, sexual preferences, so that it aligns with their family values, so that it aligns with their faith values. So I'm just asking if you could please look into it and if it's something that you don't agree with, if you please use your position to at least have a conversation with assemblymen or senators to speak out against it. Because many parents come to these meetings asking for your help because we're tired of seeing children being forced to have to look at material that is sexualizing. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. No for the speakers. Thank you. All right. This is necessarily an all district item. There are a lot of legislative different priorities So I'm opening this up to the board or if you simply want to accept what's presented as a whole we can go that way to supervisor Foley Thank you Supervisor Chapy could we have our team come up to the podium and just kind of explain what we're voting on so the public is aware. Thank you. Good morning, Peter DiMarco, CEO, legislative affairs. There are two action items before you all today from which staff is asking for direction that will continue to provide more clarity in terms of our advocacy strategy for 2025. The first one is to approve the proposed 2025 state and federal legislative priorities. Last November, your board approved the 25-26 two year legislative platform. There were eight initial board initiatives approved. That would be a general framework that could be adjusted as necessary once Congress and the legislature reconvened in January. Those initiatives were homelessness, housing assistance, OC builds, OC cares. The Orange County Veterans Cemetery, addressing the opioid epidemic, sustainability resiliency, and workforce development. It's important to note for the public that what is before you today does not limit the board from pursuing other issues this year. This is a starting point, and the board can adjust or amend these legislative priorities at any time throughout the year. Given the extraordinary dynamics over the last 10 weeks, staff is proposing nine state legislative priorities and six federal priorities. And again, these can be adjusted or amended at any time later on this year. You will notice that the biggest theme throughout all of them is county budget stability. Given the uncertainty of what we're seeing at the federal government and certainly in Sacramento, that would be the one of probably the biggest unifying priorities that we are staff is recommending to you all this year. County budget with respect to funding stability, homelessness, and particularly continuation of the homeless housing assistance prevention program, HAP, workforce and affordable housing, fire insurance availability, proposition four, climate bond and for county sustainability initiatives. The Orange County Cemetery, the California Children's Services, with respect to the Orange County's allocation deficit for that program. Foster family agencies, insurance availability, and overall liability exposure mitigation. The federal side, again, funding stability from federal authorizations that protect the safety net access for the critical services that the county provides to its most vulnerable residents. We authorizing the Older Americans Act, elimination of the state and local tax deduction, otherwise known as SALT, the Orange County Veteran Cemetery, and beach preservation and coastal funding. Happy to take any questions or first off, thank you to each of you and to your staff's for providing input and feedback. We've made some initial adjustments based on that and those reflected today in the markup version that are in red before you. This list could be 30, 40 issues, just given the uncertainty. But staff is recommending that these is a starting point. And again, happy to adjust or amend as the year goes on. Thank you. Thank you with introduction. Supervisor Wagner? Mr. Chairman, I wasn't finished. Oh, okay lot of work that we've been doing. I'm not sure if it's a lot of work that we've been doing. I'm not sure if it's a lot of work that we've been doing. I'm not sure if it's a lot of work that we've been doing. I'm not sure if it's a lot of work that we've been doing. I'm not sure if it's a lot of work that we've been doing. supports modernizing the framework insurance companies used to evaluate community heartening and fire resilience. So this is something that is being championed by the BIA as well as Rancho Mission V.A. Ho. So I guess when it comes to the time, I'll make a motion to add that because it didn't get included, as well as the item that didn't get included, which related to supporting legislation that reduces the cost of fire insurance, which the other item is intended to do the same, but maybe slightly different. And then I had a question about, under that same category, I saw the edits added by Supervisor Winds' office, and I just wanted to make sure that we have this worded in a way that is intended to get to the heart of what she's trying to ask for. I felt like the wording that you added, Mr. D'Amaco, was maybe a little confusing. I mean, where? So I'm not trying to intervene on yours, but I just thought it was a little confusing. So maybe we could up here kind of correct that language, and I'll defer to Sue Reservant on that at the time. And then that was it. Those are my basic. Otherwise, I think we covered everything, and we appreciate the work. Thank you. Ms. Whitt for your efforts, as well as Ms. Takenin for all your insights. All right. I believe, Supervisor Ngu to win if you want to add on my interest with the way that we drafted this was to make a reference so that in ongoing budget discussions should there be any opportunity to help with recovery paying for costs associated with recovery and response from the airport fire. That was the intention to how we wrote this. Happy to make that more specific if that is the world of the board. Yeah. So the language we gave hasn't fully incorporated in this. I think you reworded it. Let me get the language from my staff that was sent over. So I want to be consistent in what we sent to you and what I say here. But there is too full to it is one we're talking about the property tax where Orange County only receives five cents of the dollar back to Orange County. Differences like for example San Diego who gets 12 cents on the dollar which has similar population similar Government structure just like Orange County they get 12 cents and we get five cents So that's one aspect the second one we wanted to talk about was Looking at the airport fire and the airport fire, you know Yes, it was the county staff that cost the fire, but it wasn't intentional. It was an accident. And so with Cal fires, not accepting and helping Orange County and potential liabilities against the county of Orange, I figured that with the LA fire and the governor seeking for $20 billion for the federal government, that we also asked to be included in that, it's not something that we chose to cost the fire by any means. So it's really a parody of looking at how the county is treated like other counties and not be single out. Whether that's our property taxes, which has been decades of issues for us, it's been an issue from when I was here, my first term, been an issue for us when I try to fight it in Sacramento as well. And but I think given that there's different administration and different environment things that's going on right now from the federal to the state. I mean, there's an opportunity for the county of orange to push forward just treating us like, say San Diego. I mean, LA County gets over $0.20 a dollar. We only get $0.5. We're talking about the difference between Orange County San, the 12 cents and five cents is $900 million that could stay in Orange County to give back to our community. Actually, the taxpayers are taxpayer who pays for them. That money is now being converted to Sacramento instead for them to do whatever they want to do with it versus us being able to hear continue to concentrate on serving our own people who pay for these taxes. And so that's kind of what we were looking for. So, you know, we can continue to work on it with you, your office, to make sure that we have the right language. And I really appreciate Super Vice Chair Foley for bringing it up, because that's something that we've been in communication with the office, with your office as well. And I think that I agree with you 100 percent and I think that that the tax equity issue is in that first bullet point. But the issue with what you talked about with regard to us getting the same treatment that Los Angeles is getting in the fires. That language in the Fire Insurance Abilability section, I think we need to, that second bullet point, we need to rework that language, and maybe your Chief of Staff can kind of forward some language before we make the final vote here today. Because I think that sentence is not, it got confused. It is. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Nguyen Nguyen for the comments. I do, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to make sure that we continue to add the opiate and epidemic, the fentanyl issue as a top priority with state and federal. It is something that the federal government is heavily involved in trying to really fight this and making sure that FETNOs and these open legal open, are not entering our country. And so I think we need to keep this at the forefront because, you know, by the end of this year, there'll be 5,000, 10,000 more residents of Californians will die of a fentanyl overdose. Actually we call it fentanyl poisoning, not an overdose. And so I want to make sure that I know that it was in previous priorities and it was taken out, I would like to continue to make sure that that's added on. If I, if would it be okay for the board, if we were to elevate the existing statement that is in the current two-year legislative platform and just move that up into the top priorities here, would that be, would that be? The open, yeah, yeah. It's okay with me if that is still in our priorities. I don't understand. Okay, thank you for your comments. And now, as you've asked the Wagner. Thank you. Small point and apologies that I haven't had a chance to take it up with you before, but we've got in the workforce and affordable housing section a new bullet point I think requested by D5. I am completely fine with it to request regional eligibility for workforce housing funds for MLA wildfire recovery allocations. I'm wondering if though we could actually broaden the point because we, finally and thankfully, coming out of the governor's office and out of Los Angeles, the idea of regulatory reform, the idea that Sequas not going to be used, certainly not to the extent and normally is to thwart the development of new housing, that the Coastal Commission be backburner in terms of its ability to thwart construction of new housing. That is an idea whose time has come not just in LA but throughout the state of California. If we can get some recognition in our platform that not just do we want our share of the funds because we have the airport fire and we have people here that are hurting as well, but that we also are going to need some help with rebuilding. If it's good enough for LA, it's good enough for Orange County and let's use this as a model to say, this is good enough for the state of California so that we can, in fact, not just talk about building, but put sticks in the ground and build new and affordable workforce housing. Okay, thank you. Do we have any further comments, suggestions? I'm not seeing any, but I like the priority of a budget stability. That's very important so we can continue with the programs that serve people. And the point that circumstances and needs change in any time during the year, we can adapt and change our priorities. And I always have been concerned about the $5 on the dollar that we get. And I know we've tried for years to change that. I wish I had a solution so we at least get an average of what other counties are getting. So is there a motion they would like to make? All of the items with the changes. And then we need to get that language to add to the fire section. So your motion is to make an addition. And as we've discussed, to. I'm as presented with the edit to the fire insurance availability as I raised as well as supervisor wins edit. Okay, so it emotion is approval with amendments. Any further comments? Any objection? Do we want to get the language before we? Well I think the staff is going to work with, see if I have a new and staff is going to help with the language. So I- Are you doing that? Yes. Okay. That's fine. Okay. And just to be clear, we deleted that second bullet point already in the housing section because my edit was actually the third bullet point which was the broader statement. So that would be you. Yes agree with you, Silver Reservoirment. All right. All right I think we will try again. Any objection to the approval as amended? Seeing none motion carries. Thank you for your work and help and standby. We may have some changes. Okay, so the second item before you today would be approval of the 2025 request for funding within our congressional delegation for community project funding requests. And I'd like to invite Corey Tachanan, who's our federal lobbyist from Townsend Public Affairs to address this issue. Thank you. Thank you, Chair, members of the board. Corey Tachanan with Townsend Public Affairs. As Congress continues to work through the FY25 appropriations process with a vote on the continuing resolution scheduled in the House for this afternoon. The FY26 Community Project funding process has started. We have one member of the Orange County delegation that has opened up his application process and we expect our senators to release their process this week. So with that, we also do not have official guidance yet for the FY26 process, but we are here in front of you today to let you know that we do have four years of history with this process. We've had conversations with members of the Appropriations Committee with Appropriations Committee staff. And we have confidence that similar to the last four cycles, eligible projects and competitive projects will include shovel ready. They will be one time funding that will fund the entirety of a project or be the last funding into complete a project and that the county would be the lead agency on those projects. So with that in mind, we worked with each of your offices. We worked with county staff and we have a list of 14 projects in front of you. They touch every member of our congressional delegation. They are in all five Supervisorial districts and they come from eight different accounts. So we think it's a very diverse list of projects that will ensure that we are as competitive as possible through this next cycle. And with that I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. Supervisor Wagner. Thank you. On the very last one, as she Sheriff's Department, modernized, vehicle fleet for OSU Sheriff's Department and district attorney's office, investigators. That says to me cars. But then I get to the column where it's feedback requested and it talks to me about docs that will house boats to serve quick questions. Are we asking for cars or boats? That's an old draft. Cars. Cars. That updated. All right. Well, this is the last one I've seen. This is cars. Yes. Very good. Fine. Thank you very much. Supervisor Foley. Thank you. Yes. I noticed that as well and I asked that we amended it. So, and I've already spoken to Congressman Levin and he's supportive, assuming that the Congress lets him do this, he's very supportive of this item. So hopefully we'll get those cars taken care of. Thank you. I just want to thank staff for all the work on this and definitely it's great to see this year across all of the county and with all of our delegation. I think that's our, should be our new expectation as we move forward every year. And so thank you for that and with that I'll move the item. All right any objection? Motion carries. I believe that completes the item. So let's move on to item 27. I'll do the Can Executive Office. I approve grant applications awards submit by Can Executive Office, John Wayne Airport, OC Community Resources and Sheriff Corner and and Health, Environment, and Health, Environment, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and Health, Environment, and Health, and housing and community development for emergency solutions grant. Adopt resolution, approving grant award from State Coastal Conservancy for Santa Ana River Trail Gap Closure Facing Plan, an environmental regulatory permits, and authorizing OC community resources, director or designate to execute agreement and related documents. adopt resolution authorizing Sheriff's Corner or Designee to execute and submit grant application to US Department of Homeland. to execute agreement and related documents. An adopt resolution authorizing Sheriff's Corner or Design to execute and submit grant application to US Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency, through California Office of Emergency Services, for Hazard and Mitigation Grant Program. We have no request speak on agenda item 27. and all district item. We didn't second it. Any objection? Motion carries. Next, I have't executive office. I approve proposed response to fiscal year 2024 25 grand jury report is voting integrity alive and well in Orange County. We have received 15 requests to speak on agenda item 28. Please call the first speaker. Oh, call three. Names at a time. Please line up in the center of the room behind the podium when your name is called. Kevin Mills. Fritz Van Kohlen. And James. Good morning commissioners. I find the Grand Jury report addressing our elections non-responsive to its purposes to address OC voter concerns such as deceased voters, yet 1500 voters that were claiming to be over 110 years old. Forged ballots, duplicate ballots, voter IDs. You had five basis documents in this report of which two are political left leading, one focuses on literacy tests. Then the four best practices documents, two are political. The first one, EIP report talks about gerrymandering and the solicitation of opinions from 789 global experts from places like Afghanistan, Botswana, and around. The last basis best practices is right-wing advocates are pushing states to dismantle voter integrity safeguards. I'm sorry but the safeguards have already been removed. There are five the certified counts differ from the grand jury counts. There are four audit counts I would offer, the grand jury count, the CVRs, the voter history files, and the ROV received. Of those four counts I'm calling audit counts, there's a range of over 41 or 42,000 votes. And there's nothing in the report that addresses the account discrepancy. The transsteel election was decided by 653 votes. If you divide that by two, that would be your maximum reasonable allowable error. There's a 0.54% probability that the certified results are within the maximum reasonable error. 0.54% probability. The green line on the graph is what you would see at a cash register. The red line is the NIST standard. You can see that there are ranges of 10,000 times errors from the minimum to the maximum. Thank you, your time is concluded. Next speaker please. Good morning. My name is Fritz von Kohlen. I'm a past member of the Orange County Grand Jury. At that time, one of the Board of Supervisors in this chamber said that the Orange County Grand Jury is a loose cannon because the reports are not always well-founded. I'm also a volunteer for Election Integrity Project, California, past 10 years, observing pole centers and the ROV. The report by the Orange County Grand Jury of the Finding was, there was no evidence of fraud or election interference ascertained. Ladies and gentlemen, they didn't look. The Orange County is a verbatim of the ROV standards and operating procedures and jury members were conducted on a tour of the ROV and viewed the actual process. That's all fine and good. There are number one there are 1.9 million registered voters received mail-in ballots. 250,000 of them requested mail-in ballots because they claimed they to have not received one. Nearly 100,000 votes came in electronically. 300,000 voted in person. Total of 1.4 million actually voted. There's 800,000 ballots out there somewhere. Number two, the report did not indicate that the members of the Orange County Grand Jury physically reviewed the votes from the point as they traveled from the voter to the actual tally. And number three, one of the, a rich source of questionable voters would be to follow up on the three to four percent of votes, of mail-in ballot votes that were rejected during the first step of the signature verification process. The public concerns about voting integrity were not addressed. You should not. So your time is up. Thank you. After James, the next three speakers, if you could line up at the center of the room, are Esther, Kate, and her roomie. James Peters, here we go again. Another effort to cover up a stolen election. You guys have asked the grand jury to come in to cover up your guilt and your shame Over this stolen election that occurred again We had 300,000 ballots that came in during the bomb scare when the cameras are turned off on the inside and the outside of the register's office There's no receipts to prove they arrived after election day. So how did you guys certify this? Are you hoping that either the county sheriff or we could get cash but tellin' here and start arresting people? I mean, that's kind of where we're at in our country. We can't trust our elections. You know, the first time I came here, I think it was three years ago and I talked on election integrity and I was walking out and a lady came approached me on on the street and she's like, I work with the county and I'm also very concerned about our elections and that was three years ago. These have gotten much worse and you guys just keep covering it up. And I ask you, when you look at the reports on the scanned ballots in the voting centers, How did 30,000 more scanned ballots come in after the voting centers were closed? The scanners were removed, no one was there. That's utter fraud. You know, they cannot be scanning every single day without a physical scanner present. So the grand jury definitely didn't look at the nitty-gritty details of what's happened in our county. They were giving a rosy report obviously from Bob Page, which he should probably be the first one to be arrested after you. And then you guys should be next. So you certified fraud, you've committed fraud. Each vote that is fraud is up to five years in jail. 300,000 votes, that's a lot of years in jail guys. And that's where you belong, Thanks. Hey, the next speaker, please. Esther Kate and Herumi. I'm here to speak of my personal observance there at the uh, where the voters were with the signature match. And I was, I was more than surprised. I don't know, perhaps shocked when I was watching the signature match. It goes up through six levels. And at the sixth level, I was there day after day, several hours a day. And 100% of them, the person at the very top, marked it good when five levels below had marked it challenged. and I was just shocked at how someone could say these signatures match. And no way did they ever match but 100% of them they said matched. There's something wrong with that picture. Next speaker please. Good morning, Chairman Schaefer, members of the board and Supervisor Janet Gwen. Thank you for representing me in District 1. My name is Herumi and I live in Cyprus. I'm here today trying to understand how you could consider accepting this Orange County Grand Jury Report. The Grand Jury Conclusion was done with no review of election data found in voter roles and cast vote data. Should looking into data, starting point of any investigation, the Grand Jury didn't conduct a comparison of elections under the voters choice act and present voting. The voters choice act began in 2020 where the reports stated the concern about election integrity started. What does the report define integrity as? All eligible voters can vote. All ineligible voters prevented from voting, having fair and unbiased election. Again, no review of Actual 2024 election data was done. The current election machines and software are preparatory software that the ROV cannot access. Only 40% of vote by mail drop boxes have surveillance. Because of the Voters Choice Act, Orange County must allow voters from outside the county to vote in our in-person vote centers. I'm asking the board to have a non-partisan group conduct actual review of election data. So please I'm asking you please do not approve the Orange County Grand Jury report. Thank you. Next speaker please. After Kate, the next three speakers, you please line up in the center of the room behind the podium, Pearl Bolter, Lisa H and Cheryl. Good morning. The Grand Jury sought to determine whether the current voting procedures, protocols, and policies resulted in an election of integrity. They defined term integrity to mean that all persons who were able to vote could do so. Those ineligible to vote were prevented from voting. Here, look at here. An independent review of the voter registration list and votes cash show. We had 873 s s s s s s here. An independent review of the VOTE registration list and VOTE's cash show, we had 873 people in Orange County vote in the November 2024 elections after filing a permanent change of address with the state of California 45 days before the election. Of 873, 792 were active, 75 were inactive and five were canceled all after the state certification. This affects every city, city and orange county with Anaheim Huntington Beach and Irvine accounting for 274 of them. Clearly, there are explanations for some of the records that filed permanent changes of address out of state, out of the state, but verification is required to prove eligibility. I am in adjective person. I do not consider people who do not live here as having a say in my city council, school board, or my elected representatives to the US House and the state do not accept this report. It's just a fluffy hoax. Very happy next speaker please. I'm a board. My name is Pearl Bolter and I'm from the city of Cyprus. I have concerns with the board's response to the grand jury report as far as their agreement and approval for the report. The report is flawed in many areas and inaccurate. And one of the big areas I'm concerned is is that there is no data analysis done by the grand jury. And so it's confirmed in their statement when they say the Orange County Grand Jury Review at the current procedures, policies, regulations, and laws noted in the references section to make its determination. And so by just reviewing those things, doing a few observations, they determined that there was no evidence of fraud or election interference and voting in Orange County as fair, secure and transparent. This can never be done without reviewing voter rolls and without revealing the cast votes. And they made broad statements like voter registration in logs and voter rolls were kept accurate and cur current. Never looked at any data to back that up. And in fact, Orange County has been sued by outside organizations for not keeping up their voter rolls. They made a statement about the ballot drop boxes were safe and secure when only 40% of them have any surveillance. And then they make a statement saying that every vote was represented by a voter verified paper ballot and could be verified by a paper trail. Never looking at any surveillance. And then they make a statement saying that every vote was represented by a voter verified paper ballot and could be verified by a paper trail, never looking at any paper data, anything. And so I urge you as a Board of Supervisors to reject this report to tell them why you rejected and not conferred their results. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Here we have the next speaker please. Hello, I'm Lisa from San Climini and my numbers are coming from the Secretary of State or from the Grand Jury Report. I'm here today over concerns I have and to understand more about the Orange County Grand Jury report. The report states are study examined our local voting systems with the goal of advising the 1,861,450 registered voters in Orange County as to whether their votes were counted accurately in a fair, clean and transparent manner. This is one of, this is on the first page of the report. In the summary section and I found something unclear. The Secretary of State publishes the certified election results for each county. Their certified report, as you can see, on the screen now shows 1,862,010, or a difference of 560 fewer registered voters. The Grand Jury Report sites Orange County Register of Voters, OCVote.gov, December 2024, but does not provide any clear date for their data. The SOC report sites, registered voters, totals are based on the 15-day report of registration and do not include voters registered after the 15-day close of registration. However, due to the same day voter registration, voters may register or update the registration 14-day prior and including election day. This grand jury report is not clear, and this report should not be accepted as is until some of these questions are answered by the grand jury and not by the register voters. Thank you. After Cheryl, the next three speakers are Ersan Russell, Rose and Rick Ingram. Good morning. This grand jury report. So. First on Russell, Rose and Rick Ingram. Good morning. This grand jury report surprisingly was issued on New Year's Day, January 1st. That's a surprise in and of itself. The ROV final certification was not until December 3rd, so that's a pretty quick turnaround in a very short time and working on a holiday was pretty impressive. The Grand Jury Summary states that it did a thorough examination of the voter registration, the ballot counts, and final certification of votes. What their records fail to find is some glaring accounting discrepancies. The ROV registrations on the final day of certification actually had 39,583 more registrations than the grand jury is reporting. And as far as the ballot counts and certified votes, the ROV is certified 40,447 more votes than the grand jury is talking about. The findings and methods of study they profess to have an adherence to the highest standard of integrity defined by an impartial and equitable manner. They compile a list of best practices using current publications. These publications, the first two, were from 2023, an ad hoc committee funded by George Soros Group. And the other group was a Brennan Center for Justice. These are both very progressive think tanks, far left, and they do not represent an equitable resource. This is known as circular reporting. In light of these and multiple other massive discrepancies, the conclusion in this report must be subject to a complete review prior to approval of this proposed response. Our request to support the hold a special meeting to allow for a more expensive study and to bring in certified independent auditors and data specialists to explain in more detail which can't be done in two minutes. Thank you. Chair and Chair, if you members of the board, I was at the ROV 32 days out of 35 days in the general election, four hours a day. I think that would make me more of an expert than anybody on the grand jury who clearly doesn't have any position to be writing this report or to be authoring it from a point of authority. It seems like there was a lot of interaction that was done with Robert Page and the ROV staff, which is understandable. That's where you would likely ask questions. One thing, we've got some articles that are referenced. I just wanted to show the political bias of their choices of articles and what their references are. The first one being from the election integrity in the 2020 US elections by Pippa Norris. So that's the book that Pippa Norris authored. And I can tell by the way that President Trump appears in that book that she's probably not the huge fan fan of President Trump. The other one is that was mentioned earlier is how right-wing activists are pushing states to dismantle voter integrity safeguards by the nation of change. Even media bias and fact check labels and nations of change as a full left-wing organization. It'd be nice if there was actually some multiple voices and unbiased and independent voices and reviews, but this is what we continue to deal with and why we've asked for three years to have a public hearing on our elections, which we don't all think is really that big of a deal. We're going to get up here and speak to these things. Then Bob Page, who's present here today is going to get up. You're going to ask him questions, things that we have no right or ability to go and question or get into further details. And that's what really frustrates us all. That it seems like elections are being made a contentious issue by this body by over the last three years of not just opening up to a good solid public hearing. Let the public come in. Let's have conversations about these things. Maybe we're missing something. We're happy to be wrong based on new data. But it doesn't see them like this board and this body is really concerned about what we think is issues in our elections. Thank you. Applause. Hello, Supervisors. My name is Rick, and I live in Huntington Beach. My first time coming here to talk to you. I just wanted to relate to you what happened to my vote personally when I went to the ROV this year to vote. So I do like to go to the ROV myself so that I can put my ballot right through the scanner myself, which I did with my wife, we went through the check-in process. It was a very slow day. There wasn't a big crowd, there wasn't a rush, there was no tension. My wife went first and she was able to scan her ballot, just fine. And I went second, I was checked in, and I went in and I scanned my ballot. Both of us have signed up for the electronic notification so that we would know that our ballots would be received. A few hours later, after going home, my wife received her notification. I didn't receive one, but I wasn't... up for the electronic notification so that we would know that our ballots would be received. A few hours later after going home, my wife received her notification. I didn't receive one, but I wasn't too concerned. I know sometimes computers can be slow. Couple days go by. I still hadn't received the notification that my vote had been counted. So we went back to the ROV. We, again, not a busy day. It was very calm. Spoke with the first staff member. They looked at my record. They saw that I had come in. They saw that something had happened that day. That person, after a couple of minutes, had to call a second staff member. That person looked at the records, agreed something's going on. Finally, a third staff member came. Looked at the record. Saw what was going on, and said, okay, we see that you voted, we see that you were here, it's just that someone never pushed the button that says you were here, or that you were completed your ballot. I think there are three choices on the scanner, something like that. Anyway, so they fixed the problem. Great. I went home a few hours later, I got notification that my ballot had been received. But this draws a big and important question, I would say. What if I had not gone back to the ROV to see that things were OK? Would I or anyone else have been able to go and vote in my stead because it showed that I had not voted? And then secondly, what about people who don't sign up for the system and would maybe never know that their vote or their ballot was not processed? Thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. After Rose and the last three speakers are Al Bonoy, Carolyn, and California precinct activators. Hello, Chairman Chafee, members of the board. My name is Al Benoit and I live in Santa Ana. I'm here now driven by Anise to explore this Orange County Grand Jury Report further. On page 14 of the report it shows the ballots counted and total voters for the 2024 election. Upon reviewing the OCVote.gov website and the Secretary of State website for the 2024 elections, I have more questions. The OC vote and Secretary of State websites both show $1417,397 total ballots counted with 76.1% turnout. The Grand Jury Report shows $1376,950 total ballots with a 74% turnout. So how is this possible? Why is there this discrepancy of 40,447 votes and over 2% turnout difference? It takes less than five minutes to find this out, but seems like the resources that the grand jury used are from some unknown data said they can't be duplicated with publicly available information from our county registrar or the secretary of state. The evidence alone should raise concerns from everyone on this board that there are more questions to be asked before this report could be considered to be valid or correct. This is publicly available data, but the Orange County Grand jury missed it. How could they miss something that was so easy to check? Is either because there was no one that checked their information or verified anything before they published this report or that all data was provided to them by some unreliable source. Please do not accept this report, and it has many more issues than just voter turnout. Thank you for your time and your attention to this important matter. Thank you. Hello, German, Chaffee and members of the board. My name is Carolyn and I live in Santa Ana. Today I am here due to worries I have and a need to better grasp this Orange County Grand Jewelry report. The report said their goal was to advise registered voters in Orange County whether their votes were counted accurately in a fair, clear and transparent manner. This report does not provide enough information to draw a conclusion like that. It also stated that the Orange County grand jury sought to determine whether every aspect of the election process, from voter registration and ballot county to post-election audits and the final certification of the votes adheres to the highest standards of integrity. Voter registration is not mentioned, nor does it have its own section. On page 17 in response to an article cited the report states to determine how the county of orange stacked up in its voting process. We compared the above listed practices with those we observed. We concluded that the county's practices and procedures were as follows. One, voter registration logs and voter rolls were kept accurate and current. There is no mention of any analysis of the voter registration list, which could be due to confidentiality laws regarding voter lists. It does not mention any canvassing or cross checking for accuracy. The Election Assistance Commission states that maintaining an accurate voter registration list is essential to protecting election integrity. How did the Orange County Grand Jury miss this vital analysis? With almost 1.9 million registered voters and tens of thousands of changes per month, I would have thought that the Orange County Grand Jury would have made that a focal priority of their investigation. I cannot support the acceptance of this report and you should not either until there are more answers. Thank you. Thank you for listening. Good day, everyone. No doubt four or five of you have already made four to five of at least four out of the five of you have already made up your mind on this. You disregard the will of the people. Mr. Wagner, perhaps you were seeking another job by running for Orange County GOP and losing your running to be the chairman. Perhaps, Cash Patel is coming for all of you because it is unconstitutional to, for all these assembly bills and Senate bills, the voter choice act, the rank choice voting, this is all unconstitutional. How long do you think that you are all going to get away with this? Do you think that the law does not apply to you? Is that what you think? Look at me when I'm speaking to you. Do not be just respectful. We have to come up here for years and request something to be put on the agenda that is constitutional. We want one day voting. We want one day counting Michelle Steele. I don't know why she can see it, but she won the selection. And every day that you counted for 30 days more, she kept losing. This is voter fraud, and you are guilty of that by if you accept this report from the Orange County Grand Jury. So what is it going to take for you to start representing the Orange County voters? What is it going to take for you to start accepting the will of the people? What is it going to take? Jail time? Firing squad? What is it going to take here? I just do not understand. What is it going to take? What is it going to take? Answer me. What is it going to take here I just do not understand what is it going to take answer me what is it going to take for you to make this right what is it going to take Kindness up last speaker is Rose Hello board I'm Rosanne, the Orange County Chair for New California State. We are here to learn about the Grand Jury Report that declares our 2024 OC vote was an actual Mary Poppins event, practically perfect in every way, and I am here to call bullcrap. Joe Hofft, an international multi-billion dollar business auditor and Gateway Pundit contributed offered to audit OC election, and he was received a response that was publicized in the national news. That he would absolutely be allowed to perform that audit, but there would be no access to ballots, machines, voter rolls, etc., etc., etc. Anyone can look at this at johoff.com. There are numerous articles on this, and we want to know, did the grand jury have access to any of these prohibited items? Did they have a professional auditor involved? Who did the investigation for this perfectly perfect? Report, grand jury report with no footnotes. Orange County is supposed to control our elections, our voter rolls, instead we have verbal proof and evidence that Bob Page admits Sacramento's Shirley Weber controls the system. We cannot see the machines, they're tucked away. And we've delivered a declaration almost every county where we have had ROVs literally leave their posts because of their concern for these. There was a cease and desist letter read here that was interrupted by our favorite Don Wagner along with me speaking and violating my First Amendment right, to address the fact that this vote absolutely conflicted with state law and federal law. The new California laws were a no-win. It was absolutely a cease and desist letter that was given to every single ROV in California. That should not have, this vote, should not have gone down the way it did. Go ahead, double down on the nonsense with the grand jury. Thank you, Ram, your time is up. Thank you. No front speakers, Mr. Chair. All right. Bring this back here. We don't have the ability to approve or dis-approved the grand jury report. not what we have the ability to approve or dis- approve the grand jury report. That's not what we have the right to do. Rather, it's talking about our response to it. So you rise there in the wind? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I ask Mr. Page some questions, please? Is he here or anybody from the RV? Oh. I have, so you and I met recently on our boardwalk that I've been meeting with all the other departments as well separately. But one of the comments I ask and you know we talked about there's a lot of angst and a lot of concerns and comments from a lot of groups regarding our election process. And, you know, some of the folks here today have been at this board meeting numerous times, and some of them have reached out to my office as well. And one of the things I asked in our meeting was that if you would be able to reach out to these groups and then at least address them and meet with them and see what their concerns are, were you able to meet with anybody? No, I've not met with any of the people who spoke. We have some of these people ask for records. We help them get access to those. But other than maybe a couple of them we've met with periodically over the last year, I wouldn't say in general, no, I have a met with most of them. Is there a reason why we don't want to have a meeting with these individuals just to hear them out and see what their concerns are? And I'll give you an example. The Grand Jury Report, and something we might just want to look at is, they're right. Is that the Grand Jury did state it that in a 2024 ballots, total voters were 1.3, 7,6,950 votes counted. But on your website that I just looked up, 1.4, 1,7,397. Like why did this reference you? This is where, this is why people questions because they're different data's out there. And you know, we just want, I just want to make sure that there's facts out there. And the grand jury is giving us a report that states their numbers. I assume they got their numbers from us, but why is our number, and their number, are two different numbers of the total ballots that were counted? Yeah, I can't specifically speak to that. They did request data from us. They had obviously had access to our website and the reports that we publish, where they got that number and why it's different than our final certified number. I can't tell you. But we, from your office and the CL's office, we accepted that this report is accurate and we accept their findings So I assume somebody have read this Well my understanding is that the counties respond is required Within 90 days to respond to any findings or recommendations to receive not not to determine whether the entire report is accurate. So my department was asked, these three findings, do you agree with them or not? The three findings I made, we agree with. Well, I hope that in the future, when it comes to, especially this topic, because it's so, so important that we have accurate information from the grand jury and from our office or from the county to making sure that the basic data are the same because when they aren't the same this is when you have folks and people who then questions, is our process fair, is our process accurate. You know, so I think that's one and the other questions I have is where are we at in terms of the election and administration plan process? And what happens when you complete that plan? So we are required every four years under the Voters Choice Act, which in 2019 the Board Supervisors directed that all future elections in the county would be conducted to pursue it to the Voters Choice Act. So we're required in 2025 to review our Election Administration plan in consultation with the public. That is going to happen. We don't have a final schedule at this point. The minimum requirement under the law is that we submit a final updated plan to the Secretary of State at least 120 days before the primary election in June of 2026. Secretary of State has actually asked us to try to get to them by the beginning of December. We are required to have a 14-day public review and comment period on any changes to the plan. Then the register of voters is required to hold a public hearing that's noticed regarding that any input in that document. And then after that public hearing that the register of voters holds, we're required to post any final document and with any changes made after the first draft for another 14 days for public review and comment. We're looking at what additional things we might be able to accomplish under the current budget constraints, but we don't have a specific plan that we can outline and advertise the public. But we still have time before December 1st to get that done. Will that process come before the board for a vote, before you go to the public or after? It's not required to. The law is written such that it says the county elections official shall do those things. Hold that public review and comment. The county elections official shall hold the public hearing and the county elections official shall adopt the plan. I think it should come to the board. I think the board should have a say and I think it should be a public hearing from the board as well. To address this issue or to address that process or as you're moving forward that process before we officially submitted to the sector of state. So I'm hoping, I mean, I would like to make that as a directive, and not just a receiving fire and moving it to the Secretary of State. That's all my question, but I still have a comment, Mr. Chairman, if that's okay. On this item, would you like to make that comment now? Yeah, if I can make my comment now. Please go ahead. So why I appreciate the grand jury and their effort and time in looking at this and the voting process, really the document that I see is a verification of the process. I think what's misleading with this report is the title. The title stating that is voting in Tigray alive and well in Orange County. And then really the document itself states more of just the process and what steps we have to go through by signatures, the cameras in the building. That to me to me, the Grand Jury's report is really about the process and if we are here to state law in these process. I don't think it answers the question whether it's integrity is alive or well in Orange County. And so I have the utmost respect for a lot of your staff. I've worked with them and dealt with them for many years, especially in 2007 when I lost by seven votes and had to ask for recount. So I literally lived at the register of votes and watching each ballot, looking at the signature, looking at, I mean, I've been through that process more vigorous than I think most folks have ever been in their times of running for offices. It's not a process I would, I, I, not a process any candidate wants to be at, in that all, because that's when you're trying to figure out why you lost by seven, right? And then after the recount, we won by seven. And then I was sued to court and I ended by three votes. And so, you know, a lot of your staff, I have the utmost respect and appreciation, especially the long hours. And it's a, they're in a position and yourself during that election time is, do you damn damn if you don't? No matter what you do right or wrong, it won't be right for 100%. There won't be. So I get that as well. I just think that with public trust in our election is so critical to what we do and a function of who we each individually are up here. So I just think that despite of what the Grand Jury report asserts, I don't think it answers the title. It does answer our process, our procedures, what we go through, what we need to go through by state law, and haven't been the vice chair of Senate Election Committee for many years. Most of these laws, I've seen them before it comes down and signed by the governors. So I've seen all this for the last eight years. Not a fan of them, don't like them, and I think it it makes it more complicated for county a lot of unfunded mandates to counties as well and a lot of these process and procedures. So I you know so I'm just hoping that going forward that we continue to engage folks we might not completely, but we at least engage and hear them out. And if they are pointing out to us, you know, the grand juriszans, 1.3 million votes that were counted, but our website would say 1.4, we would have known about that and have an answer for us here today, right? And so I think it's always good to engage, at least have that conversation and hear them. And I would love, I mean, my office can help coordinate that, and we can assist in meeting with folks. Because I want to make sure that our process and procedure is in place, but that the trust factor is also there for the community and for voters who go out their way to do whatever they can to make sure their ballad is in. And it's something that all of us up here fight every election cycle to get people out to vote. And so if they're coming out, let's honor it and let's make sure that it's accurate and that data doesn't change. Data should not change. Opinion change. Opinion are different from each other. Data cannot change. And so moving forward, I just want to make sure that we hear folks and see what we can to at least address them and give them the data and the facts that are out there. Versus having comments all over the places and like I said, just that one error makes me really nervous when it comes to us, accepting to receive and file this grand jury when I don't believe that the title and the report itself to me, there are two different things. Thank you. Thank you. Sue Pfizer-Wyder? Briefly, I wasn't going to comment, but I will, based on what was just said, because I want to make sure that, you know, Sue Reserwin is obviously near to this board, did great work up in Sacramento and on the Elections Committee. I'll touch on that in a moment. But make no mistake, we have been making at least my office available to folks who have had questions and concerns. I've had meetings. Mr. Page has attended some of those meetings to try to answer the concerns. So it's not that Ms. Page isn't talking to anybody. It's not that these meetings aren't happening. I want to do more of them. I guess we'll do more of them, but they have been available for the last three plus years. We had a meeting when I was chairman with Mr. Pages in the audience to answer some of these questions. And I don't have an answer to the 1.31.4 issue, but at the end of the day, all of the answers that were given by Mr. Page about why we have voters who appear to be super centenarians, 120 plus was answered. And then the next meeting we get the same questions. Why do we have more ballots than voters? Because we have elections with multiple pages was answered. And then we hear the same objections the next time. All of these questions have been vetted in the past. Answers have been given. You don't like some of the answers, that's fine, that you're right, but it is unfair to charge Bob Page or this board with just sticking our heads in the sand and not listening to these objections. I've had meetings upstairs in my own office with some of you and it is unconscionable that folks pretend those meetings didn't happen and pretend that answers, even if you don't like them, haven't been given. Mr. Page has been forthright in giving those answers. Where there is, I think, unanimity is that the problem is exactly as identified by supervisor when she was up in Sacramento serving as vice chair of the elections committee. The problem is coming out of Sacramento. It is Sacramento that makes us hold our voting roles open for so long so folks can cure their ballots. And that troubles you, it troubles me. It is Sacramento that says we must have every person get a ballot in the mail. And then we are a Washington ballots. It is Sacramento that says, Mr. Page, you may not fix your voting roles within a certain amount of time before the election. It is Sacramento that says the state of California is not going to participate in the national zip code clearing house, so we know who's moved. It is Sacramento that is causing these problems. It is not Mr. Page. It is not this board. I am happy to convene more meetings. I am happy to drill down into the 1.31 point forward disparity. I am not happy. We are not going to be taking questions. Whoever's got their hand raised in the audience. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing, which we in this county, according to this Grand Jury report, have gotten your problem as Sacramento. send more people to Sacramento like Supervisor Winn who can serve on that elections committee and say this is the wrong way to go. And this is what is creating so much consternation amongst the public. That's where your problem is and that's why this report accurately recognizes that in Orange County We are doing the right thing the problem is Sacramento. Thank you, Mr. Chairman Thank you Sufizer, I please let's let's finish your business. Do we have more questions? It's been on the agenda. That's the point. You people came and ignored the response from Mr. Page. It is a lie to say. It's a be respectful. It's not put this question on the agenda. Okay, thank you, Mr. Vice-Darranger. Are there any more questions of Mr. Page? Seeing none, we're coming back here. We do not have the right to approve or disapprove of the grand jury report. Rather, we are supposed to by law respond to certain areas that they directed us to respond to. And that is what we are looking at now. So those responses as required by law, what we're voting on. Okay, any, do we, I'm not sure, do we get a motion? No. Move, and it's a second. All right, any objection? No. No, okay, four to one, the responses to the grand jury are approved. All right, now we go on to item 29. I can't executive office. I approve amendment one to contract with WebMD Health Services Group Inc. For administration of health management program and authorize chief human resources officer does they need to execute amendment. We have no request to speak on agenda item 29. It's an all district item. Move the item. Move the item. Move the second head. Any objection? Motion carries. Item 30 please. I move to the second executive executive office approve contract with a Christmas Center for a homeless prevention and employment program services? In author of can the procurement officer or deputized as a need to exercise cost contingency increase, not to exceed 10% under certain conditions and execute contract. We have no request to speak on agenda item 30. It's an all district item. It is second to objection. Item is approved item 31, please. I can't executive office receiving file the Orange County older adults needs assessment report. We have no request to speak on agenda item 31. Sarah, let's see. It's all district item. Move the item. Second. Seconded. Any objection? Motion carries item 32, please. Under kind executive office, approved revised by-laws of Orange County Commission on the status of women and girls to include admission and vision statement and mandates. Increased membership in other administrative changes. Mr. Chairman, we receive one request to speak on agenda item 32. Please call the speaker. Patti Kubata. Board, I am asking that you please put biological woman inside of the by-laws. Unfortunately, right now women in general, we are being pushed to the side. And our spaces are having to be shared with men. That's why I'm asking that you put biological women onto the bylaws so that there is no future incidences where someone that is a man who thinks he's a woman can say that he should be able to be on this commission. There should also be, I'm suggesting, since you are probably going to add more people to be able to participate on this commission. I'm asking that you please allow the public to put in applications with each and every one of you to be able to participate in this commission. There's a lot of women that are activists on both political parties and this is supposed to be a nonpartisan commission. It would be great if the actual public would be able to participate in this commission and not just people that you're appointing because you work with them in some way shape or form. There's a lot of moms that go to meetings whether it's county level, city level, Sacramento and we're very involved with the lives of our children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews and we want sure that a woman's space, the girl's space is protected. So I'm asking that you please open this commission to the general public and that you interview people within your own districts to give us the opportunity. As a resident in this county, to also be able to advocate and to speak up because there's a lot of laws that are being pushed against biological women. We don't want our young girls to have to be pushed out of their safe spaces. Thank you. Your time is up. Thank you for the speakers. Like this is an all district item. I'm going to move the item. Sue Vazar Wagner. All right, thank you, Mr. Chairman. A couple of challenges I've got with it. One is that as I look at the bylaws under the mandate, the commission will prepare reports and recommendations to the Board of Supervisors. And those do not come at no cost. And so I am curious what the funding level is for this, what the expectation is, what the limits are if there are any for this, which are not spelled out in the in the bylaws. And that's fine that the financial issues aren't. But before we move forward in a big way, I would want to know that. And the other issue is that we've learned that part of the reason requested for the additional members is a quorum question. And just adding members doesn't solve a quorum problem. In fact, it may make the quorum problem worse. It strikes me as a reasonable alternative to increasing the size is allowed for the five members that are appointed by the Board of Supervisors, that by the respective districts that they have alternates. And so if we have alternates, let's put alternates into the bylaws, we maybe are much better able to solve the quorum question. And then the last issue I have with this is, under Article 10 removal, the board may at any time without cause remove any commission member. And I would propose that that should actually be the appointing supervisor, may remove the member rather than require a vote of this board. A replacement would of course require the vote of the board, but I would change that to the appointing supervisor in Article 10A. If I might get an answer to the budget question at some point, and then I would amend the item to, instead of increasing membership, allow for alternates to the five seats that this board fills. And that would be my motion. Thank you if I might respond to the funding. When we created the commission, my district allocated $100,000 of discretionary money to carry the commission likely for a couple of years. And where we go beyond that is something that is subject to whether you want to even keep the commission. If you do, it might be a somebody discuss in budget time, but they do have funding to hire a consultant, for example, to do reports and to research, and that's what I think. I do not believe they've spent any of that at this point. This comes as a result of a lot of back and forth with the committee members and is what they want to do. And they's had staffs input as well as to be going forward. I don't know that the alternate is something that we've discussed and I think is generally can work, but I think we go back to where the original woman's commission was years ago. They had 13 members, which kind of takes it back to that. By having more people, we have better scope and understanding of what the needs may be. And broader reach, and I think that's why I want to go back to that. And there are no limitations on who may serve. We don't discriminate. And the public is welcome to apply through their district. even Min May surfer's no limitation on that at all if they find one brave enough to step up. So, indeed I would think that the understanding of the equity points that are trying to be made by the commission, you can't leave out half the population. So, Min need to what those needs are to. So it's not limited to women, but likely that may be how it will be. So far, no one other than a woman has applied to be there. So this is what they've asked for, the current board. And I want to honor it and move forward. Any more comments? Who has a fully? Thank you. I don't support increasing the at large members because that actually gives the chairman five appointees to the board and I don't think that's appropriate. So I don't support that. I also, I like the idea of the alternate to address the quorum issue because it seems to me that the only reason that this is coming forward is because of the issue of quorum. And people not meeting quorum. And so maybe that's a matter of the commission time when they meet maybe they need to change the time of day that they meet. They did that. Yeah I don't know but so I don't I can't support the way that this is proposed because I don't support adding at large members to allow the chairmen to be able to make those appointments. The chair can recommend that the only the board affirms or denies the recommendation. That's still a board prerogative. So- Right, but you're putting forth the positions and whoever is the chair person Is the one putting forth the positions without anyone knowing in advance Until we have it before us. Oh, it is an agendas item and whoever the chair Proposes is in the agenda with details about those people and the board is a whole country jack them I know how it works. I don't support it. OK, well you don't support it. So I'm not sure where this is going to go. I would like to respect it. It has not been in separate one meeting where they didn't have a quorum. It has not been moved forward on the basis of a quorum requirement. That doesn't seem to help much with you. Increase the members and your qu requirement commensurally increases too. So I don't think that's the issue here but I do want to respect what the current members want to do and this is what they've worked out and I'd like to see it their wishes to add members to bring a larger group in if they can and get more input. And there's a lot of things they need to discuss and talk about. And I think that's one of the reasons they found that the needs and both women and girls need a broader audience and so more people can participate and help. And that's why the membership, it was suggested we go back to 13, which was the original membership when we had this commission years ago. So, supervisor, from Anto. Yes, thank you, Chair. I just wanted to see where we were if we had a motion, if we had a motion to amend. I made a motion to approve. Okay. I thought I made a motion to have alternates. Madam Clerk. Well we haven't come to that yet. We don't have any motion it has a first and a second at this point. I did make a motion to approve what is presented to us. And the supervisor Wagner made some suggestions for amendments. And then you made some suggestions that it basically changes a lot of things and that you would not vote for it. And now we have supervisors, Sarrientos, so we don't have a motion yet that has a first and a second. Let me go Wagner's motion. So I was going to just see where we were with. We're not recognized. We're not recognized. Through rather the Sarmreantos opportunity. Thank you, Chair. And I. So I was going to just see where we were with. We're not recognized. It's a sorry, but it's a sorry. Antos opportunity. Thank you chair and I and I think the discussion is, you know, please don't interrupt you don't have the floor. In any event I just wanted to catch up with where the motions and the amended motions were. But look I didn't't hear your motion, Mr. Chair. I was prepared to second it because I do also want to respect the intentions of the committee members. And if they see that there is a need to have a more robust committee and more a larger cross section of members that can sit on that board, I think it's a welcomed decision for us to go ahead and expand. So I am willing to go ahead and respect those that serve that may want to have additional colleagues on there, may want to have additional viewpoints. I think it's important. We have a large county, 13 people serving on a commission is not something that is, I think overwhelming, we sit, all of us sit on a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. All right. Oh, Sue Pazer Wagner. Thank you, and I didn't hear the original motion that was made by you. Oh, supervisor Wagner. Thank you. I didn't hear the original motion either. We don't do sub-sumotions. That motion is the one that's on the floor. I will vote against it because I believe the alternate is a better way to solve the issue that has been identified to my office anyway as the reason for the by-laws change. I do have a separate question. I had also raised the issue of termination of any of the appointees. And I am, as I understand it and I want to be clear, the current motion does not include changing Article 10 subsection A to specify that it is the appointing supervisor rather than the board as a whole that can do the termination. I would accept that as an amendment. All right, then thank you. I will make that friendly amendment. And as a second, I'll accept it as well. Okay. Further discussion. All right. I think as amended the staff recommendation, the bylaws presented are, that's what we're voting on. I may be the clerk needs to call their all on this one. I'm. I'm. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. So the motion before us is. To accept the bylaws as presented except amending the section as supervisor Wagner wanted to change where the removal is up to the supervisor who made the appointment. Okay. Can I make a comment, Mr. Chairman? Sure, please go ahead. I actually like the alternate option. And the only reason is because, as mentioned, if there's a quorum issue, adding more members, I just don't know how that helps. I think it can make it worse. And we're alternates of each other in a lot of boards, and I think that helps more than adding, continues to add more people onto this committee. And so I prefer the alternate instead, but if the board chooses to go forward, then I could be supportive of it as well. I just think the alternate is a better option than to add more members to this committee and exaggerate the problem we currently have of a corn. Because if the current people on it can't make it, we should look at we appointing new people I know that the first district doesn't have an individual I believe or our individual where we are looking at appointing our individual soon and so I know hopefully that would help but if the current memberships are not showing up maybe maybe we reconsider individually from our own respective offices who we appointed and see if they are showing up or not, that might help with the quorum more than adding additional members to the board. Well, thank you. I was unaware that this was a quorum issue that has never been expressed to me. I think we had one meeting where we didn't get a quorum, otherwise they have always had a quorum. I think if you would like to consider the alternate, we have other boards, for example, I said on the OCSAN board, we have about 20 people and there are alternates for each of them. So we could do both. But let's be forest right now. I would like to respect the wishes of the current membership and to see if we can't add some additional voices that I think would make this a more robust and commission which has an important role. So anyway, I'm not sure where we are at this point. But I'd like to bring it to a vote as supervisor Foley. Thank you. If we change the removal, I don't support the motion, but I have a question. If we change the removal to the appointing supervisor, how does that work for the at-large members? Because law request here as proposed is that there will be three at large members appointed by the chair. Well, I think again it's not appointed by the chair, the chair only nominates the board itself, makes that determination. And the board itself would have the power to remove. So again, I asked my question because if I wanted to remove my appointee, all I have to do is let them know I'm replacing you and then I put forth the ASR to do that. And so for purposes of the at large representatives, what is the procedure? Well, you're asking a procedural question, and I would defer to legal counsel, as to how that might work. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I do agree with how you have characterized the actions here that it's an individual supervisor who nominates and it's the board who appoints. So the individual supervisor brings the proposed candidate to the board for approval. In the absence of further guidance, because the board rules specify that the chair does have the prerogative to bring, to nominate at large appointments, in the absence of further clarification direction from the board, if the Supervisor Wagger amendment is incorporated such that the nominating supervisor can remove any member of the commission basically at will, then my read would be my interpretation would be that the chairman who nominated the at large commission member would also have that right to remove without cause and without bringing that pattern to the board for a vote. That's how I would read it, but if the board wanted to provide different direction, we could certainly incorporate that into the bylaws. Well, I think I would suggest there be a different direction that the removal of the self needs more action if it's a board appointment than I think the board should have that provocative at the end of the day. That would be what I would now I would handle it myself. Super as a foley again another comment. But you didn't okay your light was on, so. All right, I... Super as a foley again another comment. But you didn't, okay, your light was on. So, all right, I'm not sure where we're at. We do have a motion that has been moved in seconded day that, and I asked the clerk perhaps should do a roll call vote. So we have clarity on how we stand. Do you want to clarify what's on the motion first because the peers are interested? The motion is to approve the bylaws as presented except for the amendment to make the removal, not to make the removal by the appointing supervisor as suggested by supervisor Wagner that would be a change. And I think at least the interpretation I'm giving is that any removal would be the prerogative of the board as to the large members. That would be my understanding. Chairman JV. Aye. Mr. President Manto. See what your win.physer Wagner. And vice chair Foley. Motion fails. Okay. The motion has failed. So the bylaws there is I'm not sure where to go from here. Suphyser Wagner. I would like to make substance to motion in light of the failure of the past. The previous motion, the appointment be as specified here plus each district supervisor may appoint an alternate to his or her appointee to the commission. And I also want to make sure that in this amendment, in this motion, the amendment to Article 10 is picked up, and it sounds like there needs to be some clarification that as I understand the motion, the appointing supervisor may at any time with or without cause remove any commission member that does not require an ASR it does not require board action. As to chairman appointees I would argue that the current chairman whoever that is should be permitted to exercise this power of removal to appoint his or her own commission members so that we're clear on the chair's prerogative. And that will be my motion. Okay, I'm not quite clear what the document is, so you're amending it. So we have alternates? Is that the idea? Yes, there are alternates to the five Supervisorial appointments to deal with the commission. Quorum. I know the current members went through a lot of discussion about that. They had different methods of selecting alternates that were discussed. And I don't, not sure here, I think if then we have the supervisor appointing not only the member, but I assume also appointing the alternate, is that the idea? Supervisor appoints the alternate, yes. Okay. And in every case, all those, the member and the alternate come here for final approval. Yeah, that's the normal process. We make appointments and then the board approves. It's just the removal that I'm interested in. No, no. Okay. So, whoever you appoint be it an alternate or a member, it comes here for final approval. Final approval, the board, right? Otherwise, the board doesn't have control. As I first add, it's an issue. Yes, as it is specified in here. It comes to here for board approval. Federal approval, the board, right. Otherwise the board doesn't have control, as I first added this issue. Yes, as it is specified in here, it comes to here for board approval. Okay. It's the normal process, that's what we know. Okay, so the bylaws, are there any other changes like they're in this document, there are mission statements in the like. As they went through a lengthy process discussing some of those things. So the bylaws started with the template, it was kind of bare bones that staff provided. And so they went through a process looking at mission statements, what they're trying to do, and that's in this new document. So are you accepting those that we're just staying with five and then adding a alternate? Okay. Let me try this again, and thank you for the opportunity to clarify, because I do want to clarify with the removal issue. All right, as it exists in the bylaws, we each appoint then there are at large appointments. I am saying, I am requesting the board vote to also allow us in the same way we make an appointment to appoint an alternate, which then comes back to the board. I am asking in Article 10 that the appointing super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super super about the chair and making all those changes. It's just since they are at large appointments, let's leave those, let's not mess up too much of this stuff. Let's just leave those as they are. Okay, so you're accepting the bylaws presented with those amendments. With the amendments? So we keep the mission statements and that sort of thing. Yes, I have no problem. I personally have no problem with this. Okay, all right. Supervisor Sarmianto. I was simply going to call for the question. I think we're now clear on the motion. The only clarification I wanted to make is that this change to alternates. I never thought was the result of a quorum problem. So it just seems like the argument was made to go ahead and include alternates instead of expanding the commission as the commissioners wanted. But whatever the case, it's fine having alternates and having a smaller commission is clear. That seems to be the will of the board. Happy to go ahead and move forward with it. Just call for the question at this point. All right, we may have reached a compromise. I think though the larger representation gives us a more diverse, with more points of view, able to be discussed and looked at. I see a legal council has it hand up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just so that I'm clearest to what the motion would entail. It looks like it would become an eight member commission, five plus three. No, seven. Well, we'd go back to seven. I think the commission would be seven. So you have an odd number. Otherwise, you may wind up with a tie vote if you have an even number. So there's only going to be two at large appointments? Yeah, that's right. Okay, all right, there was a motion, as before the board it was three. So it's going to be two at large and then five members want appointed by each. That's right. Okay, thank you. All right, I think we worked this out. Is there any objection? My goodness, okay, it's unanimous. So at least we got a little bit of a change. So thank you all. Okay, now let's go on to item 33. Under Office of Campaign Finance and Ethics Commission, consider second reading and adoption of an ordinance of the County of Orange California. Amending section 1-6-5 of the codified ordinances of the County of Orange, adjusting the limitations on campaign contributions. And we have one request to speak on agenda item 33. Please call the speaker. Brian K. Happy day day. Earlier there was a lot of discussion about the campaign ethics and the grand jury hearing. You know, before we get to a grand jury, we have a campaign ethics board. And it's run by Dean of Horvath. And there's four board members. There's a vacancy. And if anyone tries to contact this office or communicate with them, there's no response. Or just a response saying, well, we're not going to do anything. So, admit that there's fraud and improprieties and inconsistencies with the campaign process. But they're not in a position to do anything. Yet the county spends a whole bunch of money and gives them money and says, hey sit here and have an office. And if anyone actually goes to the office from the front door, it looks like a vacant building. You can look in, you can see there's desks and hallways and offices, but there's no furniture. There's nothing that would indicate that a human being works there. So apparently we have this office of campaign finance and ethics, and they're just paid to sit there and rubber stamp and yes, man. Whatever you want done, Chair Chafee, they'll do it for you. Do you want them to say that the election was proper? They'll say that and That's their entire purpose. They don't actually provide any services. They don't actually do anything When I filed complaints with them Imagine if somebody filed a complaint with them They're not in a position to take any action or anything about it. And that's how we end up with the grand jury. And some people said, jail. Well, people start filing more reports with the FBI and other agencies. You might discover that, yes, you're committing crimes, you might end up in jail. That's not why we came here, though. We want to see you succeed and do things properly. Happy day, Ms. Hub speaking with chair. All right. This is an all district item And moved and seconded any objection motion carries Now let's go on to our supplemental I'm sorry. Did you want to come in may I yeah, but just briefly. I'm looking at the clock I'm looking at it along a closed session Schedule and perhaps an even longer schedule to get through the somewhat contentious items we have now. I'm just asking whether you might entertain that we do closed session now and come back this afternoon to pick up the rest of it. Again, it's to the yours and the board's pleasure. I'm going to do that. I want to keep going. Close session. I think we did the closed session. Close session. Okay, well that's a majority. All right, at this time, we'll adjourn to closed session and we'll be back as soon as we finish with that. I can't, I'm not sure how long that will take. I'm guessing half an hour. We can come back by about 115 somewhere, maybe 130, it would be a better shot. 130. Sure, Dr. Rue, have me read the titles? Yes, please read the closed session agenda. SCS-2 and a county executive office, public employee performance evaluation, Puant to government code section 5.957B, Title County Council, SCS-3 and a county council, conference legal counsel, existing litigation, pursuant to government code section 5.956.91, name of case Orange County flood control district versus Fisher scientific company, LLC at all, sub-emotional closed session five, Under County Council Conference of Legal Counsel anticipated litigation, significant exposure to litigation, pursuant to Governor Co-Sexion five for nine five six point ninety two, number of cases multiple, and SCS six, Under County Council Conference of Legal Counsel existing litigation, pursuant to Governor Co-Sexion five for nine five six point ninety one, name of case block of rubio Garcia versus Kenny Orange. We have noant to Governor Code Section 5 for 9.5.6.91. Name of case, Blanca, Rubio Garcia versus County Orange. We have no requests to speak on the closed session items. 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I'm going to be a little bit more careful. I'm sorry. We are back from closed session so we're going to resume our regular meeting. Clerk, if you please read item supplement 33A. Under Chair JV, the Orange County Behavioral Health Advisory Board, reappoint Dwan Tran-Brea to complete term ending March 9, 2020-8. We have no requests to speak on S33A. I move the item. Any objection? Motion carries. Supplement 33B. I'd advise chair Foley, Orange County Behavioral Health Advisory Board. Reappoint Chase, Wig or Sham, the third. Coronda Moore, for term any March 9th, 2028. We have no requests to speak on S33B. Good to ride him, as you read the folie. Thank you. I moved to a point chase, Wickersham. He's a first generation veteran of the United States Army, serving in the Vietnam War, attaining the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. He was the first director of the Tierney Center for the Veteran Services at Goodwill of Orange County, a member of the Board of Directors, and then as the Senior Vice President of Operations for US Vets in Los Angeles, and a founding member of the Orange County Veterans and Military Families Collaborative. He has served on the Orange County Veterans Advisory Council for eight years, and he currently serves as my appointee to the Orange County Behavioral Health Advisory Board. And to top it off, he's also on my Veterans Advisory team. He and his wife Grace have lived in Cranondomar for 35 years. He's a great advocate for veterans and helping to support finding solutions for mental health services. So without a move, the item. We'll get a second. I have an objection. Motion carries. Supply 33 C. Under supervisor Charmanteau adopted resolution proclaim April 2025, as Cambodian Heritage Month. We have no request to speak on S-33C. Supervisor Sarmiento. Thank you, Chair. And this item was done at the request of the Cambodian family. There is a large Cambodian population in District 2 and throughout the county. So we want to see if we can schedule them for the April 8 Board of Supervisors meeting and present a certificate to the Cambodian family for Cambodian Heritage Month. And I would ask for your support. Second. Any objection? Motion carries. Supplement 33D. Under Chair Chaffee and Supervisors Armando, a top resolution regarding the rights of US citizen children from mixed immigration status families and directing social services agency to assess and report on county's readiness and plans and review current services and initiatives to support these children. And we received two requests to speak on S33D. Please call the speakers. My, Doe, and Dr. Priyeshah. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor and I'm a doctor. brought forward by supervisors Chiefe and Sarmento. In the face of the Federal Administration's Mass Deportation Program, it's really important that the County of Orange make clear its position regarding its role in protecting the county's immigrant and refugee communities, including US citizen children separated from their adult family members. About 46% of the county's children have at least one foreign-born parent. And on top of that, according to estimates from the USC Research Equity Institute, about 15% of warranted county residents are either undocumented or live with someone who is. Study after study shows that the immigration enforcement system, as it currently exists, already inflicts severe physical, psychological, and financial harm on families, taking red winners from households and beloved caretakers from children. The new administration has now cast a much wider net deepening the suffering, many immigrant and refugee families already face and drastically widening that blast radius of immigration enforcement systems known abuses. We're already seeing this family separation happen. For example, with more and more Cambodian and Vietnamese refugees who have green cards, our homeowners, parents, beloved caretakers of their parents, getting detained and sent to God knows where, leaving their spouses and children behind without the income that they often provide them. Recent days have clearly demonstrated that the threat of family separation looms over all immigrants and refugee families regardless of legal or citizenship status. And so it's therefore imperative that the county strengthen its support to assist all families and all children. In this case, particularly thinking about its readiness to support U.S. citizen children who are inevitably well already going to be separated from their parents. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker please. Speaker of the staff. Please speak to the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. Speaker of the staff. My speaker is Dr. Priya Shaw Dr. Shaw apparently not here Right this is Bring it back to the board I Will second the item but I think Supervisor Sarmiento you started this off and I'm pleased to join you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I would eventually like to have a director on Tran come and join us at the podium so maybe he can get close. But before he comes up, I did want to thank those who wrote letters in support of this. I know we received a letter from Temple Beth Shalom. We received letters in support from the Islamic Center of Orange County. And we also received letters from many others including Templuk Alvario, which is an English Calvary Temple. So a lot of our faith-based leaders were able to gather last week for an interfaith leadership council. And one of the things that was discussed was this. Just so all of you know, this was the genesis of information that was requested from many of our school districts on what the plan, if any, was as they saw maybe separations, possibly detentions, basically parents having children who are unaccompanied as a result of being either detained or held. So that was something that I thought was important for us to come back, revisit what our protocol was, but I do want to extend my gratitude to Chair Chafee for collaborating with me on this resolution. Resolution basically affirms our commitment to protecting the rights of US.S. citizen children from mixed status immigrant families and makes it clear that we stand with them in the face of the traumatic experience of family separation and being left without their parents. I want to emphasize what this resolution is about. It does not aim to create new rights or privileges for these children, rather it acknowledges the existing rights that they are already entitled to under current laws. It highlights that family separation is traumatic for children and creates legal and other issues for the county, as we are ultimately responsible for the well-being and safety of any child that is abandoned or left to fend for themselves. Children of mixed status immigrant families are living with the fear that they could be separated from their parents due to immigration enforcement policies, but the reality is that the cause of the family separation is not what is central to today's conversation. A child could be left parentless due to any, due to an unexpected illness in capacity, or even the untimely passing of a parent or both. And we will have to do our best to ensure their well-being. What we cannot allow is the rights of these children to be eroded because of the undocumented status of their parents. Simply put, we should not allow the circumstances of a parent to dictate the fate of their children. It simply is not right. Whatever one's politics or feelings about what the current administration's policies are, the fact remains that increases in family separation would impact the social service agency, and we cannot afford to be caught flat footed in planning for that event in the event that happens. This resolution asks the social service agency to return to this board with a review of the county's plans for the safety and placement of these children if they are left without support. Where are we currently when a child is left to fend for themselves and discuss what support we can provide to be preemptive. Again, this resolution does not create a new county program, as SSA currently has the responsibility for children deemed abandoned or left without parental support for any cause. Director Tran, if you could make your way forward, I want to kind of have you walk us through what the counties protocol procedures authority in the event of a child that is separated from a family member for any number of reasons. We know that specifically here there are some reasons that we can speculate, may cause an increase in the number of children that are separated from their parents. But I do want you to maybe walk us through what the counties policies are in the event that happens. I saw that you've circulated something to the, which showed what our responsibilities are in the child and family services realm. But please, if you can maybe just give us sort of a walk through on that. Thank you, Chair, Chafee, members of the board, Entran Orange County Social Services Agency. Thank you so much for the question, Supervisors, or Miento. We respect to our involvement with the children that may be separated from their parents. We will generally follow our current practice for the involves child welfare. And that practice involves us being able to meet with the child and looking and assessing the situation to ensure safe placement for the children either with relatives or in family resources within the community. Within the first 24 hours, we would meet with the child and also confer and gather information as to correspond with relatives that may be willing to take the child and take custody and care and control of the child. If we're not able to do so within the first 24 hours, what we would do is we would put them at Orangewood, Children and Family Center, while we continue looking for safe placement options for those children. In the meantime, we will work with all of our stakeholders including the CAHRPS County Council, child advocate groups, the child lawyer, also the parents lawyer, to determine the best course of action for longer term placement for the child. So that will involve developing a case plan, whether reunification is the best option, or long term placement within the foster care system. Got it. So it sounds like it's a very complicated process. Obviously, the rights and custody of a child are at stake here. So we know there is incredible care. And from what I understand, the county's children and family services is tasked with safeguarding children within our jurisdiction. So we know that they will have council assigned to them. We know that many times it is difficult to determine. If there is a family member next to Ken, if there's somebody designated, I know that what I've heard from many practitioners is that there are ways to give what is considered an advanced directive. Some sort of information that could be provided to either a school district, to maybe law enforcement, maybe to our department, knowing that this separation could be foreseeable, and doing something like a caregiver, authorization, affidavit is something that I believe might be wise for many parents to consider. And one of the reasons why I wanted to bring this is that, I guess the question to you is that going through the process, you just want to explain very, very labor intensive. There's time, there's management. What would a spike in many separations, if you had many of these cases due to your department. If there were a spike in separations and we are ultimately responsible for the kids, it would be additional workload on our department. I don't know what the magnitude could be. I have heard some numbers that are being estimated by certain individuals, but in our particular case we have not had this experience. So we are going to go back and follow our current practice. Now, I do have to say with respect to your comment supervisor, is that I hope that the child welfare response is the response of last resort. And the reason why I say that is you are absolutely correct. There are a lot of legal obligations. There are a lot of involvement when the child welfare agency is involved within the family's matters. So with that respect, I do anticipate that if there is a surge and if we become ultimately responsible for these dependent kids, it will be an impact on our staffing and our ability to place those kids safely within the community. And would you say a much better outcome would be in the event of a family separation to have some of these caregiver, affidavits or advanced directives from parents, designating a responsible party to take custody or guardianship of a child? Absolutely, like I mentioned, I think the child welfare response needs to be the last, the response of last resort. If parents are facing this situation and they are able to make legal arrangement for the care of their children, and it does not involve us, that usually results in their outcomes for the families and for the child. Okay. Another question. I know in the event that a child, there isn't some sort of directive from a parent for a child to be, you know, whether it's with a relative, whether it's a neighbor, anybody else, any other caregiver. There is the possibility that that child or children could be placed in our foster care system. In the event that happens, how difficult would it be to reunify these parents with children, with their children? With respect to that, it's hard for me to assess the situation because this situation is not known. What I do know based upon reading the literature like the policy of the ICE is that that agency is supposed to facilitate parents' ability to coordinate the care of their children. And again, in the event that we are involved, it does add a layer of complexity because we are then ultimately going to be responsible for the kid. And our current practice and our laws requires us to do additional steps in order for us to make sure that the placement of the kids within any family is a safe environment for him or her. Understood. So the way I understand our foster care system, as it exists, normally those placements are for children that are being removed from an abuse of household or a dangerous condition and a household. Placing some of these children who are separated from their parents through no indisha or evidence of abuse, doesn't seem to be the right fit in my opinion and may create a barrier to reunification. Yes, and it also will remove potential foster families that are available for kids that are removed who are at risk of abuse and neglect. Great, thank you. So thank you for walking us through that. Again, this isn't intended to be a really out of step or I think irrational question to ask, what's the capacity of the county since we play a role in this? If in the event there are more separations or our separations that occur and spike. If they don't, perfect. We just continue with our protocol. We don't seem to be impacted. That's great. But in the event, it does, these questions of capacity, of resources, staffing, staff time being spent on these. Those are all questions I think that are important for us to understand. And that's the reason why I brought this resolution along with the chairman. It wouldn't have been a need, had there not been discussion about this possibly happening. And again, our office was contacted by school board members, superintendents in our district that want to know, how can we better coordinate with them to make sure that we prevent the separations from having a bad outcome. In other words, if separations happen and there are clear directives from a parent, then that makes it a lot simpler for a child to be placed where the parents would prefer. And that's really the outcome we're looking for rather than being placed here under our being dependence of the county. We would treat them well, but that's really not the ideal place. As you said, that is the last resort. This is a safety net agency. So that is really the point of this. I want to thank the sheriff who sent the letter in response. I sent a macapia of this resolution. He was very thoughtful about writing back saying as a mandated reporter, as the district attorney's office is as well in the event that they're called. They have to report on these things, they have to play a role on this as well. And his response was their following state law on this. And so they do have a role to play, but they believe that this is also a concern as it is for all of us. And we hope this doesn't materialize to the extent that the numbers are spiking. And your office is left to deal with case management, having to be at court hearings, having to deal with a lot of the staff time that will have to be invested on this. But I simply wanted to say thank you for working with us. And really, you know, what's being asked of you is just simply to assess and report our readiness in the event that this happens. And I think you walk through it with us preliminarily based upon this. But also reviewing our current services. Is there anything that we can do to improve on that procedure? If there's any support that we can provide, to me, the easiest thing is almost advising. You know, the public and advising parents, let's see if we can circulate some of these template care giver affidavits that they can execute, that they can provide. maybe have a mon, I'm not sure if it's with us or if it's on file with their school, with their schools where their minor children are attending. That way, at least these documents are in place for them to be able to access in the event these separations happen. So that's really the point of this, it wasn't meant for anything else except to say we always talk about prevention up here, whether it has to do with homelessness, housing, so this is one more step and just trying to be prepared in the event something happens. So thank you so much for your comments and I will move the item. I will second it and I see who has no wind, would like to comment. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have some questions on. So since we're asking these questions because basis on what the resolutions and the directive and basically agenda item so that I can understand where we are as a county, I think I know where we are, but I just want to confirm it with you. First question is how many active cases of child separation due to immigration enforcement is a county currently handling? We have not had any case, supervisor. Okay. Then how many documented cases of child separation due to immigration enforcement have a current Orange County last five years? There are none that I'm aware of. Are there any incidences where a child has been placing county custody solely due to parents deportation last 10 years? No, not the I'm aware of. The reason why I'm going to year five years and 10 years is because they were looking at the different administration. That's why federally. Then how would the county address these cases and what would the process be? And I know you answer it, but I want you to also, because you mentioned it a few times. Child welfare system should be the last resort. Why? I have it here, but I want you to tell the public. When we're involved, there are a lot of requirements, legal requirements that we're required to do in order to maintain and ensure the safety of the kids. For example, if I were to go into the home, and if I want to place a child in a home, I would have to do a home and ground evaluation of that property in order to make sure that there's adequate spacing, ensure that it's safe for that child to be placed there. Additionally, if I were to place a child with someone without an advanced erected from the parents or legal guardianship, then as an example, again, all adults within the home would have to go through some sort of background check and on a more permanent basis Then all those adults would have to be fingerprinted. So it is an Owners process. It is an intrusive process and it is a process that Can potentially be avoided if parents are able to on the front and get the legal guardianship and they're able to to prepare the care for the children outside of the child welfare process. Can you talk more about the termination of parental rights when they are in custody of our child welfare system? This is, now it respects to separation from families as a result of deportation or immigration issue, this is a new issue for us. So, I'd be speculating in terms of that. But normally, there are, based upon federal regulations, there are a particular amount of time that we do work with the courts and we work with all parties involved in order to try to reunify a child. If that period does not exceed that period and there is no likelihood of the child being able to safely return to his her parents, then an option that would be recommended to the court in consultation with many of the legal entities that county council, the child's lawyer and the parents lawyer, is we may potentially move to terminate parental rights and put that child up for either long term placement or adoption. And that, I'm reading this, the adoption and safe families act considers a child abandoned if they have been out of it parents custody for 15 of the 20 of the past 22 months, which makes it extremely, which basically terminates the parental rights of being able to easy get their your child back. Is that what I'm reading? Yes, my is my understanding correct? Your understanding is easy. Get their your child back. Is that what I'm reading? Yes. Is my understanding correct? Your understanding is correct. We would have to consult with county council and in these types of situations. In situations that we've had normally where parental rights already move, there are a lot of other issues that are going on with the families in which that recommendation does not come lightly. But in the case of just peer physical absence by the parents due to other detention or deportation, I don't know whether that would meet the legal threshold and that is again something that we have not experienced before and we would require legal counsel in order for us to answer that question. My I have a few more questions Mr. Chairman. Is there more than one process for child separation cases or is this just one process right? Is there any other kind of processes that we're not aware of? The the process that I hope that would be adopted by members of the community that may be facing this is that they're able to arrange beforehand, the legal guardianship of their kids before they become dependence of the courts. However, if they do come into custody and if they do ultimately become dependent, then the process is one process supervisor in which we will follow our guidelines and the rules that the state and the federal government provided to us in terms of the provision of care for those children. And you're, I mean, you've been the director of the agency. Is there any evidence that you see right now that the county lacks legal frame work, or that's probably for the county council? But or resources to address child welfare in these situations? My, if we were to treat these kids as normal child welfare separation kids, then our process would remain similar. I do know that this will add a layer of complexity, because I don't know how we would interact with other entities like ICE. I don't know how we would interact in terms of if the recommendation by the court and the child lawyer is for Reunification how we would go about in terms of continuing and maintaining parental rights for those kids so those are additional Items that we would definitely have to tackle if presented with the case. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman I don't have any more questions this this time. Thank you, Sufizer Wigger. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for the documents that gave to us. I have a couple of questions based on those and some of the things that I've been hearing today. But the first thing I wanted to just ask you to explain to me is the, you're familiar with this blue, tinge document, blue. Okay, the last sentence. Being involved in the CFAA, the Children and Family Services System, may create additional obstacles for parents seeking to adjust their immigration status. Now, we're talking about you and your system and getting kids if necessary involved in this system. What would be those additional obstacles? Well, I don't know the immigration law and the policy, but what in order for a child to be made a dependent the court, there has to be a finding of some sort of either abuse neglect or abandonment for the family or against the parents. We don't know if that information will be a detriment or a barrier for them in other legal proceedings. Okay. It would be in their benefit for us to tread lightly into this area. Is what you're saying? Yes. All right. Now, I did hear that the idea here is just to assess and report and that it's not meant for anything else. It's easy to ask you to assess and report. We've got a whole big rezo that goes into very contentious legal issues that are out in the country right now. Birthright citizenship, 14th Amendment increased enforcement coming out of the current administration. So I think it's really fair to say that it's more than just a assessment report. There is a context in which all of this is arising. But I was struck by the fact that number one, there are zero cases, as I hear you, for the last decade where immigration enforcement, and it didn't stop, it may be ramping up, but it didn't stop under prior administrations where this has not been an issue. But you've got guidelines here and we do know that the underlying question, parents being arrested arrested and unable to take care of their children, happens frequently. If a parent gets arrested for some other offense, a non-immigration offense, children end up in our system, right? Yes. Those are the guidelines that you've got and that you have got in place, right? Okay. Yes. Have there been any deficiencies in those cases or those processes that require us now to take a wholesale new look at this? Not with the process. Okay. Well, when you say not with the process, is there some reason that you would make that clarification? In terms of the situation in which parents are arrested for some other crime, that is an additional evaluation that we may have to make in terms of the safety of the kids overall. For these type of situation, I don't know with respect to if there are any risk to the child of abuse or neglect. It may be solely based on the family's immigration status. Okay, and so there's nothing new here in terms of you in your process. No, we will follow the same process. The game is given away by that resolution that touches on all of these different contentious things, rather than just ask you, do we have processes in place in the eventuality, perhaps the likelihood, but in the eventuality that it comes to that, correct? Yes. All right. How much more money are you going to need from us in this tough budget cycle to Do this this assessment in this report of something that hasn't been a problem so far The assessment itself a supervisor. I don't think would be onerous or would be costly in terms of reporting back to what our more detailed process may be. If there are an estimate of certain volumes that are involved, then I could give a clear picture because I know that our social workers are challenged in terms of meeting caseload demands that are currently right now. So if there are additional hundreds and hundreds of cases, then that will have staffing implications for me. All right, thank you very much. Supervisor Foley. Thank you. Thank you for all of the answers to the questions. And I just want to follow up on a couple of questions that came both from Supervisor Win and Supervisor Wagner. So the best approach for families in this circumstance, if there is an undocumented parent, is to do everything possible to avoid having any interaction with your office. Is that right? That is correct. Okay. So I heard you say the caregiver authorization is that the same as a guardianship? I don't know what the legal standard is but my again my my hope is that people are able to go and seek out legal resources to determine what is appropriate for them to potentially place children in the care of other individuals in the event that they are detained. Okay, so when you were in my office, you said guardianship. Now you're saying care, give her authorization, and now you're saying you don't know. So I feel like you do know, but you're afraid to say Mr. Page, what is the difference between a caregiver, authorization, and a guardianship? Is there a difference? I feel like it's important. We're supposed to be informing the public on what are the resources that they need to use in order to care for their families. So we need to make sure that we know what those resources are because at the end of the day it's in the county's best interest as well to not have 25,000 kids now become subject to our dependency. That is, that is a big concern I have. So if I may, my non-legal opinion is that the more robust the steps that the parent take and the more legally defensible it is, it's better. No, that's not the right answer. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be disrespectful but parents don't know what that means okay that's not clear so we need to just say what is it that they need to get so they can go about finding a way to get it Hi Nicole Wall senior assistant county council thank you chairman and members of the board of. So I oversee one of the juvenile dependency unit and so on his colleague, a friend. The caregiver authorization is a less less of a legal mechanism, right? So the caregiver authorization allows you to enroll a child in school, possibly get them medical care, and make other decisions on their behalf, but it is not, especially if that's a relative, but it's not a formal legal guardianship. A formal legal guardianship may in fact in this instance be better. Okay. And is that- But it may require some assistance, right, from a lawyer. So if you have nothing else but a caregiver affidavit, that is better than nothing. Understood. I just don't think it's good for us to be giving people expectation that the caregiver authorization form is sufficient. I don't think we should say that because that, in these circumstances not going to be upheld. So, yeah. So, the guardianship is the best formal best process. And does that require filing with the court? It does. Okay. And I know Senator Umburg has a bill that is addressing that, but that hasn't been made law yet. So, and the caregiver author or affidavit would not, right? That would just be given to someone. Okay. I also would just like to something that's been kind of discussed and thrown around if I can clarify something is that a child does not come into the child welfare system, right, and is not detained legally without court approval. And there are a number of different bases under the welfare institutions code section 300 under which we have to bring children to the court's attention, right, within 72 hours of detention. So if this gets to INS and the parent or whoever is being detained or otherwise taken out of the country. If that person does not have someone who can take care of the child, they may come to our attention. That's a may. And so when Anne has shared that this has not happened to his knowledge, it's because it would be a rare occasion. Because if INS policy is to give the parents or the person being detained in any incarceration, the opportunity to have someone else care for the child when they may come to our attention is if that care falls through, if that relative placement falls through, or there is abuse or neglect that becomes obvious to the school, or someone else who interacts with the child. And this is actually under, there's a provision for this as a supervisor Wagner mentioned for incarcerated individuals, it's under 300G of the Welfare and Institution's Code, and on and his team and our county council team deal with this on a regular basis And but that even welfare institutions code 300g Give somebody the opportunity to find a caregiver before they ever come to our attention and when on says that's what he hopes happens Understood I think that happened, but I think what's important, distinction between the past and now, is that the administration and the cabinet members have specifically said that they would like the children to go if they don't have some- Where to go? What place to go? Yes. So if they don't have the guardianship in place, then that's- It may be more difficult. Yes. So that's what I think is important about this conversation. And sorry, I just needed to kind of be more direct about it. And so let's just assume, so USC has one in six children have at least one undocumented parent. So that's about 25,000 children in Orange County, if you if that number is accurate, right? So we obviously can't handle 25,000 children. That's not gonna be able, we don't have staffing to do that, right? So I think what I'd like to see is us as an educational manner, make sure that we are clear in our messaging out as to what is a formal document that's required for families to avoid getting the kids in the system. And we're talking about, you know, American citizen children, right? So that is what I would like us to see as in addition to the resolution. I just like to see that we have clear information that we are conveying to the community, to the schools because the information I've been seeing flying around does not say a guardianship is necessary. It talks about this caregiver authorization and that's what they're getting everybody to sign and that's not sufficient. So that's what I'm concerned about. But thank you for your answers. So far, it's a work to our panel. Thank you. Supervisor Foley just mentioned something. Through it offhand that I think I agree with, but wanted to drill down on. She said we're talking here about a citizen children. And we are, that's what all the Rezo language is pointing to. But it seems to me that all of this applies just as much to children who are not citizens. There's no dispute, maybe they're the dreamers. They got brought here by their parents, so they are not born in the United States, which the rezo calls out. So forget that whole 14th Amendment to mate, they're not citizens. What do we do with them? In those situations, supervisors, we would still follow our current practice to ensure the safety of those kids. Protect the children. Yes. Good answer. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. I appreciate all the work that your department does. And that's why we celebrate Social Service Month. And I appreciate the model that we have this month, compassion plus action. And that's what you guys are doing. And it's much appreciated. And so I think I don't have anything additional to say. And at this point, we have a motion that's been moved and seconded. Is there any objection? I'm a no on the current language, yes. Okay, I know. Anybody else? Okay. It passes three to two, thank you. All right, now we go on to supplement 33E. I'm a county council public hearing to consider first reading an adoption of an uncodified interim urgency ordinance of the County of Orange, California, extending a temporary moratorium on the issuance of permits for battery, energy, storage, system facilities and receive and approve OC development services report supporting the extension of moratorium and describing measures to alleviate conditions that led to adoption of an urgency moratorium. This item does require for a first vote of the members present and we have seven requests to speak on S33E. All right, I believe, I suppose our follow-up would want to lead off on this? Sure, this is just our second reading. Oh, actually, this is the extension, I'm sorry. To give staff more time, 10 months plus 15 days to develop the measures necessary. We don't have any regulations right now. And I know that staff has been working with our Orange County Fire Authority. They've provided some good advice and also working with the SDG&E Edison. So we're trying to be collaborative about this. We know these facilities are needed. It's just we need to get some assistance in place as to where they are cited so that it keeps the community safe. And I think we have speakers. Seven requests. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead and call the speakers please. Alisa Cope, Theresa Ford and Kelly Lee. Thank you, Chairman and Board for all the work that you do. We really appreciate your time and your efforts. I am coming in support of extending the moratorium. This is a new technology, you're right. I think it tends to be presented as a booster station, not as something that is potentially a hazardous waste, it has a hazardous facility. And I think it might be a good benefit to sort of put it into that category and develop new regulations for that type of facility. I would characterize it, looking at the moss landing fire that went on for days and days to something like a regulation around, like a San Anofree or a three mile island facility, something in a smaller scale, but at that same potential to emit toxics. The whole life cycle should also be looked at. It's not just the operation, it's also the safety, there's potential breaches in somebody could decide they're going to blow up a battery plant just like they're blowing up the test of plants. So I very much appreciate you taking the time to take this issue seriously. And I'm also hoping that all of the The sequel regulations are looked at holistically. This is a new a new technology and all of the CEQA appendix G checklist items should be looked at in light of a hazardous facility. Thank you for your time and consideration and we support you in this effort. Yes, thank you. Next speaker please. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Teresa Ford and I'm here as a resident of Laguna Nagel, but also as a representative of Blesen, a public benefits nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting our neighborhoods from the dangerous associated with large-scale best facilities. I'm here to urge you to extend the moratorium on the large-scale best facilities and to utilize that time to develop stringent guidelines for such facilities with emphasis on community safety. I remind the board of the January 16th fire at the best facility at Moss Landing, and I ask please don't let that happen to us. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker please. After Kelly Lee, the next three speakers are Kathleen Pryor, Sarah Mehta, and Curtis McLendon. Good afternoon, Chair Chafee and supervisors. It's a pleasure to be here today, Kelly Lee, government relations manager with Southern California Edison. I want to thank Chair Foley for including the utilities in the discussion on the development of your ordinance, battery energy storage systems, support grid reliability, and their important tool for us in our diverse portfolio. Edison is actively participating in the CPUC rulemaking on energy storage, and we're happy to be a resource and provide our subject matter experts to provide our perspective. We also supported the LA County ordinance development. Excuse me. I apologize. Okay. Okay. Entertainment and a comment. So I apologize for that. Edison, we have our best portfolio with 13 facilities. It's approximately 16 or 600, rather megawatts. And they're in various states of commissioning and operations and construction. Most of our systems are stationary, but we are looking into investigating mobile systems and this will allow us to provide electrical service to our customer sooner. Edison does not have a large indoor best facility like the Moss Landing. All Edison best facilities use outdoor construction and are limited to one to two small walk-in enclosures. Newer utility scale best uses outdoor construction and this ensures that they cannot be occupied have less interior volume and active ventilation so that the explosion risks are reduced. We look forward to supporting your efforts for your data in terms of your decision making process. Thank you. Thank you. Maybe I have the next speaker. Good afternoon supervisors. It's my pleasure to get in front of you again. Thank you, a Sheridan Safe and Vice Chair Foley. Thank you. I am Kathleen Pryor, President of Blessing. We support the extended moratorium needed to fully research the best practices of permitting these facilities, installing the equipment, and finding ways to extinguish lithium battery fires. Not just suppressing the spread of a fire and let the batteries burn themselves out while spewing toxic gases and heavy materials, heavy minerals on people, produce animals and soil. Evacuations are hazardous too. I am giving you a report from Ron Cabrera with regard to lithium-iron phosphate batteries or lithium-iron. The probability of a fire each year, according to data from the energy companies, is 87.1%. That's the probability of a fire every year. We see the county of orange as a leader in creating guidelines for taking care of these facilities, making sure that the permits are properly done, and we encourage partnerships with our cities. The battery farm, if they catch this fire, it doesn't just affect county land. We're here too, and our cities are looking for something to solve the problem, give them away through. I would like to suggest that you could take a leadership role with your expertise and the people you can count on. Help the cities come together with them, come up with agreements on least basic guidelines, they can have their own specific things, but we think you are more than capable of this. And we really rely on your ability to do the right thing and help us. A best fire creates a toxic environment and we can award this. Thank you. Good afternoon board members. My name is Sarah Eileen Mata and I'm a resident of Orange County. I'm also a previous federal government consultant in the area of energy sustainability and infrastructure. I believe that green energy is a good thing, but that's not what this discussion is about. This discussion is about ensuring that we have legislation in place to ensure that our communities and that our people are safe. There have been a total of 95 best fires since inception of this technology in 2011. That means that in just a little bit over a decade, we've had 93 of these fires. That's a lot. These incidents are tracked. They're in an official database by the Electric Power Research Institute, also known as EPRI, which is a database in which every major best company uses as part of their research and development. In just the past year of 2024 and the first three months of 2025, we've had another 12 fires associated with best facilities, including the most recent moss fire, where the suppression system failed, and about 80% of the roughly $1 billion facility that was built was in flames. Not too much earlier before this was the Escondido Fire which caused the evacuation of roughly 500 schools in businesses. It's important to note that these facilities cost millions to implement in the first place and then they cause millions in damages and repairs after there's a a fail system. So I would ask the board to pause and take a step back to really evaluate these concerns and take thoughtful time to draft legislation that protects our communities and our businesses from further damage. When we are in an economy where we're already concerned with spending and overall stability paired with the rising environmental concerns that we're having here in California with the risk of fires, I think it's important that we extend this moratorium. Thank you so much. After Curtis McLendon, the last speaker is Eric Weigin. Chair Chafee and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Curtis McLendon. I'm an emeritus professor of Saddleback College. It's in the South Orange County Community College District. But I live in my resident in San Juan, Capastrano, in a house that's about a mile and a half from the proposed site of this bettery energy storage project. I'm here to strongly recommend that the board approve and implement the proposed extension of the moratorium on the issuance of permits for the battery energy storage system facilities to be located and proposed to be located in San Juan Capastrano. And I appreciate the efforts of several of you, supervisors particularly, a supervisor fully, in being aware of the hazards associated with this project. The city of San Juan Capistrano has already disapproved this project and it was then taken to the California Energy Commission. I would strongly recommend that you extend this moratorium and ideally you would extend it long enough that the California Legislature could take action on Assembly Bill 303, which would ensure local review and approval of such projects. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Chair Chaffee, members of the Board of Supervisors, Eric Wigan, Public Affairs Manager for SDG&E. I just wanted to take a moment to thank your staff. We had a nice meeting, very productive meeting a few weeks ago with county council and members of the public works team. And it was productive and we think there's some areas that we can work on to benefit the unincorporated areas of the county and with the energy that needs of a best facility. So, I want to just keep positive reinforcement here that your staff is doing a great job. Working with OCA, working with Edison, working with us, working with the community. We want to be team players here, so we appreciate you bringing us to the table and look forward to future discussions. I think there's a planning commission meeting coming up later this month that will be participants of and just want to Stay engaged and appreciate you allowing us the opportunity to be engaged in this process. So thank you guys. Thank you No for the speakers to chair All right, I'll bring it back to the board Is there a motion and second? I Would move the item and I think all the speakers who came down today and just to clarify this item is yes it's only on the county unincorporated area but I had a meeting with all the district five mayors and we've been talking to the city council members about adopting model ordinances so that everybody has a similar ordinance in all the 34 cities in Orange County or at least in District 5. And that way there's some consistency and also for those who want to build they have consistency and expectation as well. Well, each city, they can do whatever they want. We're just trying to do some good work to build a regulatory framework that works for the benefit of the residents and that allows for these facilities in a appropriate location. So thank you all and thank you Ms. Prior. I think she's already left,, there she is for all of your volunteerism and your effort and for bringing this to my attention. Thank you. Thank you. Sir Emotion. Move on. Second. Any objection? The audience is approved. Let's go on now to supplement 33G. Next will be S33F. Sorry. I'll be up by this one. Sorry about that. I know the treasure tax collector adopt position of pruning public action or 1398, a certain taxee-faulted real properties delinquent for over five years. We have no request to speak on S33F. I move the item. Second. Any objection? Seeing that motion is approved. Now, something at 33G. Under supervisor Charmante, approve sponsorship of various nonprofit entities from second district event funds. Approved edition or revision of events to fiscal year 2024-25 county events calendar. Make related findings under government code section 26227 and authorize audit or control to make related payments. We have one request to speak on S33G. Please call the speaker. Cheryl. I do not see her in the audience. She's not present. Okay. She's not present. All right. This is, uh, Mr. Sarmiato. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, simply bringing this forward. I'll move the item with, um, um, considering the, the different event funds coming from our district office. Second. And is there an objection? Motion carries. No objection. Now we go on to supplement 33 H. Under surprise, your wind and supervisor Sarmiento, direct Orange County Animal Care to prepare implementation plan to allow full public access to ready for adoption animals during operational hours and provide one day with evening hours until 7pm with informants. Establish and hire a community liaison for community and rescue organizations engagement. Dr. County Council to revisit legal framework and current practices of trap, neuter, and return programs utilized by surrounding jurisdictions and returned to the board within 30 days. And direct Orange County Animal Care to provide monthly statistics on its website within four months. And we received eight requests to speak on S33H. Please call the speakers. Michael M. Sharon Logan and Janella Simpson. Shelters in the City of LA open without appointments at 8 a.m. Tuesdays of Friday and at 11 a.. Americans. It's on the A. Go opens for candle viewing at 10 a.m. The proposal before you is modest by comparison. I'm sure you can find shelters that have shorter hours. They're small shelters that simply don't have enough food traffic. There are large shelters that have lower standards because their communities to be blunt have all kinds of other serious problems. What standards do we in Orange County have? I'm tired of hearing, well, it could be worse. The way to a good shelter was laid out in the 2017 JVR report and the 2018 strategic plan. The proposal before you today comes from that mold. In my research paper published yesterday by coincidence in the Journal of the Association of Shelter Veterinarians, I looked specifically at medium and long-stay dogs, which are the majority of the resident population of the shelter. Their adoption rates were about one and a half times higher whenever a canal unit was in place. And I utilized data from the entire period of 2019 to 2024. All the methods and all the data are in the published study. Higher adoption rates for these dogs translate to shorter stays less stress and a lower resident count in the shelter, which makes this job of the staff easier and the long term can lower costs. That's the efficient way to run a shelter. I urge you to vote yes on these changes. I have the next speaker please. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen my name is Sharon Logan and I have successfully litigated against two local municipal funded taxpayer animal shelters for violating the Hayden Act and local state laws. Oceasi and San Diego Homing Society. I have been Oceasi's most both co-critics since 2012. There is a dark side of animal shelter policies driven by metrics over ethics. We support an authentic T&R program for the pharaohs at OCAC. The cornerstone of an authentic T&R program is proper classification of the cats. This distinction between truly feral cats and friendly adoptable cats is important. This is a great opportunity for OCA to properly implement an authentic teen or a program to serve both the feral cats and our communities. The San Diego Humane City Society trial highlighted the significant risk forced faced by friendly non-feral cats released outdoors. That included starvation, hunted by predators, both humans and animal diseases and injuries. The landmark San Diego ruling offers important lessons for OCAC about what not to do in a community cat program. The roadmap for OCAC is a clear implementation of an authentic TNR program, focusing specifically on unowned, unsocialized cats while ensuring friendly adoptable cats find appropriate hopes that they're not left on the streets to die. So OCAC can proclaim to be a no-kill shelter. Thank you. After Janela Simpson, the next three speakers are Brian K. April Josephson and Patricia Williams. Good afternoon board members. My name is Janela Simpson. I am a resident of Santa Ana. I also am a volunteer for the Orange County Animal Shelter. I volunteer at the Petco Academy for adoptions. I'm also at Special projects, and I foster kittens. So I am very much aware of the need for a TNR program. I've heard Dr. Jones, the head of the Animal Shelter Veterinary Group. She said, for all intents and purposes, we're not going to be able to adopt our way out of this crisis. If you don't do a T&R program you will be killing animals. You will be killing kittens at the beginning of their life. So you need absolutely need a T&R program and if other cities, other large cities are doing it and other counties, let's do it in Orange County. Also we need full availability to the pets. Even if it's just a few that get adopted in the mornings or in the early evenings, you gotta take advantage of it. You gotta do it for their stick. Please, please be humane. Last, the Orange County Animal Shelter has virtually no transparency. They're very retaliatory. There's no trust, and they have such a bad reputation. Get a community liaison in there and give them the opportunity to speak on the programs at the shelter. And given the ability to ask questions. I've asked Supervisor Flamie and his office questions and they've been responsive but it shouldn't be necessary to go to our supervisors to get that. I attend the community outreach meetings and I got to tell you I get no answers. All I get is the cheering from the shelter staff and everything is hunky-dory. Lastly, is the San Ana's not on the list of cities represented by the shelter. And he was looking. I'm not sure why he's never really given an explanation why he went down to the shelter. I'm going to go ahead and share. I remember a time and actually this is more for my father. Probably 20 years ago he found himself in not sure why, he's never really given an explanation why he went down to the shelter, but it was open, it was available, and my father walked through the shelter and there was one cat that he really connected with, that really connected with my father, and he went home without that cat. And the next day he went down to the shelter again. And again, that cat reached out, and my father and the cat had a little bit of a connection. He's still been a take the cat home with him. A few days later, he went back to the shelter. Again, open door policy. No appointments, no nothing. Just he was able to walk into the shelter. And he, again, connected with that same cat, and that cat connected with my father. And my father took the cat home. For 18 years, my father had the best office manager, assistant you can imagine. And my dad's not a cat or a dog person, but he bonded and this cat bonded with him and became a member of the family. In part, I'm grateful that my father was at least able to reach out and have a pet cat when he couldn't necessarily have his son there to participate in the family. So I really want to impress how important it is to have the open door policy. And I really want to impress how important it is to have the open door policy. And I really want to thank Supervisor Wynn and Supervisor Sarmiento for taking the stand to make this happen. This is great. This is important. This is part of, you might have heard my previous speech where I explained the same situation. I went through the same series of events. Hopefully we're inspiring you to do good things and you're listening. Please, thank you, happy day. Good afternoon, honorable chairmen's profizers. April Josephson, pet adoption center of Orange County. Former member of the OCAC community outreach committee and the new shelter design advisor board I work city of Lake Forest on community outreach shelter intake diversion and support We are planning the eighth annual South County pet expo in April 26th. I'm here to ask you to overwhelmingly support all four of the directives that supervisors when and Sarmya until requested. It's five years from COVID and three and a half years since I wrote to O.C. community resources and met with them to attempt to address all four of these topics. I got nowhere. At that time, the next two largest shelters in the county, Mission VA who on Irvine had already reopened. It's well established that more open access results in greater adoptions. OCAC has been operating in an avoidance mode rather than as a service provider because they focus on pushing things off and handling things administratively rather than being open to help the public, which is what the contract city's expect and need. I mentioned the design advisory board because we spent a lot of effort trying to develop an open and inviting usable space to bring the public in and see an adopt animals. We even plan to rent out to the public in order to draw more attention to the animals in need, resulting in additional adoptions. I have new examples daily of the backward policies because the shelters full and not adopting as many pets as they could. Announce of prevention is worth a pound of cure here. I have a written statement as an example from a San Juan Capastrano Peton or who spoke with OCAC yesterday and was told that the shelter is full. So she should contact a veterinarian to utilize her puppy a healthy, friendly, small dog. OCAC has a few small dogs and quickly moves puppies out to a doctor. The shelters call center advised her to contact veterinarians in North County because they know that South County vets won't do it. It's unethical. Trap neuter in return, the county continues to focus this on San Diego main, which has clearly stated that the judge stated in that decision that is for friendly cats, not feral cats. Thank you. After Patricia Williams, the last speaker is Jackie Lamarunday and Margot Boyer. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Patti Williams from Lagoon and a gal. I'm here to urge you to please vote yes to improve the shelter, the Orange County Animal Shelter. This is a slide. This is a slide on animal bites that the shelter and the Orange County community resources showed you. It was the shelter's key argument for preventing kennel access. The numbers looked weird, so we took a look and lo and behold, those numbers were wrong. But the shelter and OCCR stuck to their story. There were dozens and dozens of PR requests just on this topic. PRAs are the result of the shelter's lack of transparency. Let's do this test. Whoever from the shelter or OCCR comes up to this podium, just ask them, these are the, this is the corrected one. Which of these statistics are correct? As things stands, we have every reason to be investigating the shelter. If the shelter publishes more statistics, accurate ones, we would have no reason to. You can show your goodwill by mandating monthly animal statistics. On visitor access to kennels. Last year this peer reviewed research paper showed that a lot more adoptions happen when visitors can see dogs in their kennels. Thank you. Good afternoon. Excuse me. My name is Jackie Lamarandi and I am a resident of Orange County. Since 2022, I have been an advocate for the homeless animals at O.C.A.C. These animals are entitled to a humane and well-managed municipal shelter. I wish to thank supervisors, Sarbiento, and Wynn for proposing this agenda item, and I encourage the rest of the board to vote yes on these positive improvements. I would like to comment on two of the components. On the topic of returning shelter hours to the pre-pandemic period, it was proven by multiple animal welfare studies that it increased in public viewing hours of large dogs resulted in increased adoptions of these dogs. More adoptions mean less time spent in kennels, less stress, less behavior challenges, and more lives saved. Please also reinstate the practice of TNR, trap new to return. For feral cats and kittens, it is a proven practice which leads to less population of cats and kittens on the streets and in the shelters, thus lowering their intake and saving more lives. Other jurisdictions, such as Riverside County, San Bernardino County, City of LA, Ventura County have all successfully implemented some form of this practice. Lastly, I would like to ask the board to consider implementing the current shelter strategic plan. This plan was developed by JVR shelter strategies in 2018 and animal shelter focus consultant. I reviewed the review the plan and it is as relevant today as it was in 2018. Frankly, theton author issues, some of which you are addressing today. Thank you very much. I checked recently and it's received, which you can see in 26,000 signatures. These are taxpayers, so surely you could take notice of what they want. I want to talk about how I adopted my dog at the shelter. In 2018, we went to the shelter to potentially adopt a specific puppy. I'd seen online. As my older chief had just died, I specifically did not want an older dog. At that time, in 2018, the public were allowed to roam the shelter and look at all the dogs and no animals were hidden. We happened to walk past an older chihuahua. I bent down to say hi. She signed Waddle Dover to me to give me a lick. That was it decision made. She was at least 70 years old and had two huge herniers. One particular vet and and I think they had actually five vets at the time, took pity on her, spayed and operated on her as a hernia. My point to all of this is if I'd only been allowed to see the puppy that we were originally gone to see and not able to walk around see the other dogs, then I would not have adopted my dog. If you'd already been at the shelter for several weeks, no doubt would have been used in eyes as no one wanted her with her herniers. Even today the small dogs are still not able to be seen by the public. They are hidden inside cages. You have to make an appointment and still pick out a particular pub. This is not the way to encourage adoptions. The way my dog was adopted is a prime example as to why the shelter should be open the way it used to be. Thank you. Hello for the speakers, Mr. Chair. Thank you. We'll bring this back to the board. And thank you, Sue, for Isis and Nguyen and Sarmyento, which you would like to lead off. Mr. Chair, who present the win? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to just thank all the speakers that came forward. It's no secret. I'm a huge animal lover and I want the animal shell to do better. Because I've made this statement over and over since last year is that these animals don't have a voice and we are their voices. I've also in the Senate made similar comments, you know, share my stories. Like when I was in high school, I would visit the shelter, the old shelter, the one that was in orange. And I would, you know, visit the shelter after school every day just to play with the animals there. I know the importance of why these animals needs to be held, needs to be played. I currently have a German Shepherd at home. And for those who were previously here at this board, in my first term, my husband, I actually trained one of it a German Shepherd. We bought him in the office. Most folks saw him as a puppy, and he grew. We trained him to personal protection, search and rescue, and he ended up being a police dog. My current German shopper is more of a big teddy bear. And so I have a long history know, one in making sure that these animals has an opportunity for a life, have an opportunity like any one of us. And I also know the renowned veterinarian, in my district, who's now, his daughter's the dirt generation veterinarians, very well-known veterinarians in Orange County and the state of California. And he was there in the process and helped design the new facility that we currently have in Tustin. I was also here when we had the discussion on building the new shelter and the discussions of talking to the cities on how that would look and what that cost would be. So I want to make it clear, I want our shelter to do well. I want it to be successful and I know it is successful, but there are places I think we can implement and make changes to. And that's when we start hearing so many individuals in my district calling and writing and emailing which actually prompt me last year to introduce legislation in the Senate. One pass, one of one of it did not pass and I'll address that one. That's part of the TNR one. The other one passed and signed by the governor and that is actually something that's implemented stay why. Make sure that all shelters have medical records for all animals. When they come in what happens to them do they get medication and if there's a reason and what the reason is if they have to be euthanized. We want those records. We want to know they're not just you know an animal that you can just throw out. I mean we're trying to help these animals and so that medical record is now implemented statewide which is you know why I'm you know here I appreciate in partnership working with supervisor Ceremento. The public continues to complain about the shelter and there are good reasons for it. So what I would like to assure is that we need to just go back to pre-COVID services. And rescue and volunteers have told me the horror stories about what happens behind the scenes during COVID into today. And if we can just go back to where the good days, the days that less utilization, you know, we don't have, you know, I mean, during COVID, we 180% utilization rates, yada yada, I know the shelter is trying to do better. And like I said, their areas they have done phenomenal. But like I said, there are areas that we can do more. And so what we have in front of you today colleagues is, we've identified four areas where I think we can quickly improve. One is expanding the hours. Prior to my op-ed last year, we were still a close shelter after four years after COVID. We weren't publicly available for folks to come in to the shelter. And for those who knows this, is that these animals that shows up to the shelters are probably abandoned by somebody or a family. So they're much more difficult. They're not that cute little puppy that every family and children wants, right? Once they grow up, they're like, woo, what did I do? Everybody wants a cute puppy, and these animals, they're not, they're eight years old, ten years old, so they're a lot older. They're not the cute puppies that everybody wants, So,, families with children. So a lot of folks who adopt are animal shelters. Honestly, a lot of them just shows up. It's my birthday. I'm going to go visit the shelter. And if I want to go visit the shelter, and I look at that one cat or that one rabbit or that one dog, and you're like, oh, they just adopted right there. You don't go to the shelter thinking I once go to shelter to adopt a dog today or cat today. You happen to go most of the time spontaneously, you're just in the mood for it, you're near the area. And so for the shelter, be close and not open and just get on the website, look at the pictures and you all know this. Pictures are very different than it is in person. Animals look differently in pictures just like human, then in person. So you don't have that connection to these animals if you're just looking at pictures and then making an appointment. So I think expanding the hours, I appreciate that after my op-ed that the county did decided to move and open up the shelter for a few hours a day. But I think that we need to go back to pre-COVID hours and allowing more of an opportunity for other folks in different time frames to be able to just walk in and see if they want to adopt an animal that day. And then looking at appointing a community liaison. I have no issue with it being a current staff. I don't think it needs to be created a new position. I think it's a position that is dedicated to working with the community and informing the community on what can and can and what the shelter is doing and what we aren't doing and learn from the community. And then looking at the feasibility of the TNR, that in itself was a huge discussion in Sacramento. We made so many effort and tries so much to move that forward and really look at the legislation and try to amend that bill or the gray area of what TNR means. Unfortunately, we had a lot of pushback and it did not go through as far as I would like it to. And so I was committed to had I return to the Senate this year I would I was committed to moving forward with it Again and and then going back to pre-COVID reporting date data monthly We don't do that we do it quarterly We already have the data. It's just as simple. It's just pretty on the website monthly. So it's not like we, it's not like every quarter we have to come up with the data. We do have it daily and monthly that can't just be put on the website and implementing it monthly, I think just gives it a more transparent for the community to know that how many how many ants were taking in, how many are being adopted, what are the return animals, what are the return, what are the utilization rate. I think having more data and information, if it's on the website, I don't think it costs any harm, I don't think it costs any more man hours. And so those are the items that we are proposing. And so colleagues, I'm more than happy to answer any questions. And I'll move the item when the opportunity. Second, who is there? sorry, I don't know, do you have anything you'd like to add? Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I think Supervisor Wynn pretty much summarized a lot of my points. I didn't have the experience, I don't have the experience with my pet that she has with hers. He's my anti-therapy dog, so he was given to us. He's a poodle. So I think, you know, we have this love, hate, kind of struggle relationship. So we're getting to understand each other after six or seven years, but look I love him and even though he doesn't love me as much in any event I do want to thank the staff because they have moved into the direction in the direction of opening up And making kennel viewing more available and I know when I arrived a couple of years ago, it was less. We were coming out of COVID. And so we've been incrementally and gradually making those hours extend. So I really do thank them for working with our office. And I appreciate a supervisor now realizing that there should be a good balance. Because I do think that what I see is that there are some people that are very meticulous about making appointments, and that's really the way they carry their routine. I represent a district where I believe it's a little less like that where people are just used to dropping in. They were very, you know, in San Ana when I was mayor. I do remember many of our residents just saying, look, we just want to go see pets the way we used to and that's just the protocol. I'm glad that, you know, our friends from OCEA are here because that plays a role in making sure that our staffing and personnel have an opinion on these things. And I do want to, you know, look to them as well to make sure that they feel that there's a proper balance between folks who want to make appointments, folks who want to just drop in maybe more informally. I think there is a way for those two things to coexist. I don't think they should be mutually exclusive, but I do want to thank the staff for that. And on the other points, I think they were well said, I'm not going to repeat them. But on the TNR, and I don't want, you know, our county council to feel like his opinion is something that doesn't resonate with me. I know he's, he has given his opinion on whether or not we could do a TNR program. And I do believe he's not far off. I think what I see is that other counties are doing it, maybe they're more less risk adverse than we are. But I do want to understand a little bit better from San Diego Humane to see what was the distinction that the court made there between Farrell and domestic. And so whether or not we could tailor some program here where we're in compliance with that case law, and really, you know, the mandates that prevail in that area. So I know that the city of LA, the counties of San Bernardino, I believe San Bernardino Riverside, Ventura, others do this. They have TNR programs. I don't think that they're being irresponsible. I just want us to look at them and see if there's something that we could do that could resemble them. Make sure they keep us out of litigation and make sure that we try to provide this. Because one thing I've heard consistently from you all who've spoken today and others who've extended themselves to our office is this is really important. And we understand that we need to at least make an effort to see if there's a legal, viable way that we can do this safely. I know that we in our office through our district funds support programs that are out there. But I do think if there's a way that we can do this safely. I know that we in our office, through our district funds, support programs that are out there. But I do think if there's a way that we could do this through our animal care efforts, I certainly would be supportive. But hopefully this is something that colleagues you'll consider. But I do want to give staff their props as well for moving in the direction and trending the right way. We just simply want to make sure that there's the ability to respond to 1500 PRA requests. And over a million point nine pages of material being shared. And I want this to be a more fluid, maybe more congenial relationship because I do feel that we have people in the community that love their pets, have a subject matter expertise that could help and you know and could work well with our staff who also are people who love what they do their professionals and if we could somehow bridge that and not have it be an adversarial but a more congenial relationship that that's what I'm hoping for through through these efforts but thank you, thank you, Mr. Chair. Supervisor Wagner. Thank you. It looks like we've got four different parts to this proposal. And the fourth one, just to get this off the table, dealing with data and publicizing that data. I don't think anybody has any problems with. And that should be, that should easily be something we do going forward. But I do need a clarification and maybe have a pointer to on some of the other changes here. The first item, 11 to 5, and then, as I understand it, some evening hours. What I would say is just at the last meeting, or maybe it was the meeting before, we ended up agreeing to take another look at the strategic plan. We have a strategic plan in place. Look at it, implement it, make changes to it if necessary. And I question that we are maybe a little ahead of ourselves trying to do this now before we get that report from the professionals. If we were to say let's go back to the pre-COVID hours 11 to 5 and wait for the strategic plan to come and come back to us and give us the right hours. That makes some sense, given this board's attention to this item and action on it just recently. Don't know if that's the current direction. I think it's a little bit broader than that, which is perhaps a little bit more than we ought to go without the benefit of that strategic plan and the professionals in our staff and who we have hired to take a look at it. The second item, as I hear, has been changed a little bit, we're not going to hire a new position. We're just going to designate somebody currently on staff. And that's fine with me. I would have a problem with a new position given the budget challenges that we are going to face, given the meeting that our CEO had just last week with our department heads where news was not good to say, oh, but we're going to hire this new position. Perhaps a bridge too far, designating somebody there to pick up the slack, take a look at that would work for me. As a TNR, I really don't, let me just say, I suppose maybe the best way to say, I think we've gotten good advice from our council, is to recognize that supervisor win when she was in Sacramento, grappled with that issue. Sacramento grappled with that issue. They admitted that there were some ambiguities there and the folks specifically said because the bill died, we're not making those changes. And so it seems like not only does Sacramento view at the way the council does, but Sacramento said, and that's what we mean by frustrating that very well intention bill, one that no doubt I'd voted for, and I've been up there. End of the day, it says to me, council's right. So we're just, we're spending money, we're wasting time getting, I think it will be the third or maybe fourth iteration of Council's opinion that, yep, what Sacramento said is indeed the law. And so, and so I would have a problem with that. So I guess clarification, please, on one as to the hours, are we going back to pre-COVID or are we going to do something more than that? And I'd have a problem with the number three. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Supervisor Foley. Thank you, Supervisor Chafee. Mr. Page, can you share just because as I understand just to pick up on the TNR, look, I think we all support the TNR. I don't think that's really the issue. The issue is that for me, the issue is that it's a penal code violation. The comments that we've been talking about have been related to civil liability. I'm talking about the penal code and how that gets applied to our county staff. I don't, you know, I'm just going by what the lawyers tell us and my own personal read of the statute, but Mr. Page, can you address that issue? Thank you, Sue Reservoli. So the concern I have is Penal Code Section 597S, which says, every person who willfully abandon any animal is guilty of a misdemeanor, any animal, including a cat, presumably. That would fall within the scope of any animal. B, subdivision B of section 59s then says, this section shall not apply to the release or rehabilitation and release of native California wildlife, pursuant to statute or regulations of the California Department of Fish and Gain. So, is the domestic cat, whether feral or friendly, is that California native wildlife? No. So the one exception that there is in the statute, reinforces the conclusion that subdivision A, which prohibits the willful abandonment of any animal, and provides a crime, would apply to a domestic cat. Now, supervisor Foley, I'm not aware of ongoing criminal prosecutions in this area, but I can tell you that under provisions of the Code of Civil Procedure, 526A, any taxpayer can sue a public entity to enjoin the legal expenditure public funds. They can get attorney fees and an injunction. So this would be the predicate for that taxpayer lawsuit to sue the county and get paid attorney fees and get an injunction Now, I'm aware that advocates will make a distinction between feral cats and friendly cats. I wish that we're in the statute. In fact, to that end, this board has sponsored legislation to get an amendment to this state law. But until the legislature addresses this, I don't know how I can help this board get around the plain language of pinnacle section 597S. Now you don't have to follow my advice, right? I mean, the board can go its own way. You could direct me to hire another law firm to get a second opinion. But even that, I don't know how that would solve the problem. You'd be faced then with potentially competing opinions and your personnel, right? Your animal care employees would still be at risk because even if you adopted a more favorable opinion, even if another law firm came back with a different view, what does that do for your animal care employees? And are you asking them to break the law by implementing a TNR program? Okay, and then so item three reads direct county council to revisit the legal framework and current practices of TNR programs utilized by surrounding jurisdictions and report back to the board within 30 days. So that's the request. So if you were to, you know, survey other counties to determine what do they do and it came back, they all have T&R programs. Would your advice to the board change? No, because those programs, for whatever reason, have them ensued yet, right? I can't go to LA County and say, hey, give me your legal advice or to any other surrounding jurisdiction. Give me your confidential legal advice that you provided to your animal care department. I mean, we don't know what they said. We'll never know what they said. We don't know if they said, under no circumstances, should you do this, but as I suggested to this board, you don't have to follow a lawyer's advice. You can always go your own way, right? We stay in our lane. We only give the best advice we possibly can. So I don't know that my conducting a survey would be helpful, helpful, unless and until someone tells me that the plain language of that statute doesn't mean what it seems to say. Okay. And then as it relates to item number two, I'm kind of going backwards. As for, yeah, I agree monthly updates. That's no problem. Item don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don liaison to engage with the community and rescue organizations. Okay. All right. And then as it relates to item. Okay. Thank you. As it relates to item number one. So item number one is direct of the animal care to prepare an implementation plan within four months to allow full public access to the ready for adoption animals during operation hours and provide one day with evening hours until 7 p.m. So that would be an added cost, staffing, et cetera. So the four months do we anticipate that we'll have the strategic plan back within four months? Okay, no, is that my understanding. Sorry, Madam CDO. Thank you, supervisors. So my understanding staff are here if they need to correct me, but was that we weren't going to be bringing the contract to the board. We're still in negotiations until May. So my thoughts related to one was that we would go ahead and do that analysis. And because it is budget time, so it is an appropriate time to be able to do that. If there were additional resources that were required, again, it's budget time. We would want to be communicating with the cities as well, because the county is about 6% the shelter the other cost would be Born by the city so we would want to Communicate with them about the possibility of an increased cost because I'm assuming they're doing their budgets at this time Also, so that that was the plan was to have it done prior to that But then the we would be presenting right that information to the board at some point in time as part of public in response to this directive but then also in relationship to the budget. Okay and I assume that the four months tracks with the budget preparation. Yes. Is that how we got to four months or that just coincidental? It's more cool. We just we want to give the some time. My understanding of Madam CEO is that even if after the survey comes back, it can take us some time. I mean, the survey no one has to come back right away or with even that four months. We can go all the way to the end of the year to even know and to be fully implementing this. So this gives you that four months to rearrange the schedule of the shelters and then public sizes to allow the public to know what the new time is. And so that's why I gave the four number four months. Okay, because I read this as prepare an implementation plan. But we still have to, that this as proposed will definitely cost more money that hasn't been approved for OSE Animal Care yet. So that will have to come back to the board, is that right? Correct. If implementation requires additional resources in the form of like positions that requires board approval, So I think that's why I was thinking we're just going to align this with the budget. Okay. Development and adoption period. And so of course, if it can be done without increasing the costs, I think that's a win-win, but unlikely. And then the cost to the cities is also, we need to give them notice of the additional cost, any because of course course, some of the cities like Orange, they're in a double digit deficit right now. So that is, I think, the four months, we're gonna just get back, you're gonna come back to us. That's how I read this, is that right? Correct. And we have our regularly scheduled board briefings, so we can communicate through that process. We have something in writing we can email the board also. Okay. Would the maker of the motion eliminate item three to vote separately on? Because I just don't think that at this time I'm willing as we we already have done, to try to pursue a state legislative fix for this. Again, I know you tried. We appreciate it. But maybe try again. But I just can't really vote to put our staff at risk. And knowingly, we know it's putting our staff at risk. I don't really feel't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. We can't do that. one item three. Okay, separate. Yeah, we can separate three. I just want to just go back to. So item one. If the board desires, I can wait into this survey to come back and we look at the evening hours. But I would like us to within four months implement the pre-COVID hours from 11 to 5. That would be my revision to number one. Okay. Okay. So going from 11 to 5 within the, I mean, in four months, and then after the survey, let the survey let us know if adding evening hours would be appropriate or not. Okay? Number two is to designate a current staff to serve as a community liaison to engage with the community and rescue organizations. And number four, stay as is. I would move that item or change my emotion. The second concur. I do. So and then we would vote on item three separately. Yes. Okay. Well, I'd like to compliment all of you for concern with transparency and making the animal care shelter as possibly available as we can. I think that's the point of it. And I've had overall good experience with this staff there, as we've done pet adoptions where we help to free the cost. I remember some of the animals that were there. I remember when he had 40 white rats in residence. And I asked, well, how are we going to give away these rats? They'll multiply like crazy. Well, no. The veterinarians are made sure that both male and female were neutered. That's how good the veterinary care can be there. So I was pleased to hear that. And a lot of people are, I guess, enjoying white rats. And so we also had an event where we encourage people to put a chip in embedded chips. So the animal, if it's lost or strained, the owner can be found in the animal recovered. So there's a lot of good things there happening. I think if we could just expand it and make it kind of interwoven where we have to span the hours and make it every ever to make it accessible as we possibly can, is where we're going. So I think we have a moat of it with some modifications to one, two, and three, is that understand it's not- One, two and four, Mr. Chairman. Sorry, one, two and four. Yes. With some adjustments that we talked about. All right. Is there an objection to that as adjusted or amended? Thank you. I see none. That passes. All right. Thank you. No. Thank you, colleague. The legal issue one. Item three. Number three, Mr. Chairman. If I may, my legislation in Sacramento, reason why it didn't pass and it didn't move as far as we would like it to, is really, it's the definition of community cats versus furlough cats. And that kept on going back and forth. And our intention is to not harm cats that are in the community that belongs to families that the cats just tends to roam around because they they're more independent. Where we are more interested in talking about the furlough cats that are out there, that doesn't belong to anybody that shows up in this neighborhood and that neighborhood, those are the cats we wanted to make sure that T&R works. But we just couldn't get the organizations of the different cats groups to come to a conclusion what the definitions of it would be. And so it ended up being that it was, we got back to where we are again. And we just couldn't get that legislation moving. And it was a bipartisan effort. It was Assemblywoman Sharon Crook-Silver, Senator Josh Newman, Assemblywoman Diane Dixon, Lori Davies, Kate Sanchez, you name it. We all jump on board and try to really move the definition to really help the counties to be able to help these cats. Actually, we're helping them. We're not hurting them. Unfortunately Unfortunate it did not work out and so I think it's gonna be a hurdle. And any members who's gonna try it we are looking for legislators who's really to jump into the fray and I committed to coming back to Sacramento to testify on the item if necessary. My other bill that also didn't get through is actually now being picked up by another member. As well. So, I think this item and I reach and wholeheartedly respect county council. But I think our goal here is just, it's better to ask the question because we keep on hearing that Riverside or whatever the county San Diego all these counties are doing these different things what are they doing I just want to know you know I would like the data or the information from county council or from the county so that we know what we should do go forward and I agree I don't want to put jeopardized staff to, you know, been penalized for a felony or anything or a misdemeanor, whatever it is. I just want to make sure that we have an answer. If it comes down to, I was like, all the counties are doing it, and they're interpreting it this way. Well, then maybe we should relook at it. Or none of the counties are doing it despite what everybody else is saying. I don't have that answer and I think our directive here is just trying to ask county councilor, hey reach out maybe the counties would give you information. Maybe they won't. If they won't then come back and tell us none of the county wants to tell us. We're not asking for their legal opinion. We're asking for them what are they doing so that we can know what's our best practice could be before this board. And so with that, I would like to move the item three as is to asking county council to come back in 30 days to give us more information. Yes, thank you, Chair. And thank you, Supervisor Winn. I think after listening to everybody more and just hearing a little bit more discussion on this, I certainly think that the directive isn't to say let's open and let's start implementing this because we know that there are dangers, right? There are limitations to this based upon the penal code section that you cited. But again, I think asking maybe your counterparts in those counties, how did you get your board to maybe their board is not considering the legal advice from their county councils and maybe they're just moving forward? That could be one response, but I guess listening to this, this really does seem to be a legislative there seems to be be a legislative need to address this. And I'm wondering if we can incorporate this and I know we took this up earlier on the legislative platform for priorities. Is there a way to incorporate this as well and add this to our legislative priority list? Just because in the event there is an unreasonable response for maybe some of these other counties that are implementing this and we don't see a path. Maybe the only path is to revisit this legislatively again and maybe we can work with our advocates and see if there's somebody that's willing to carry the bill. Just as the supervisor did when she was in the Senate, just to add that to maybe this motion that way, if we see that there is no path, maybe that's something that we could pursue legislatively. If I may, I think this is just calling for statistics, basically, whether the county is doing, and I'm sure that it needs to be a county council. We can find someone cheaper maybe to the survey than county council. I know. We can just find out what's going on and if we do have the statistics it might help with the in Sacramento with the legislation we'd like to see passed if we had better statistics on the whole issue. So as long as we're just looking at information it is not a directive to the program. So I would be supportive of gathering much data as we can. And no, we have super-suffolving. Thank you. Yes, I agree. I think what I'd like to ask is that you extend the time to 60 days because there's a lot going on right now. And sometimes it's hard to get information back, like same day. So if we could extend the time to 60 days, that'll give a little bit more breathing room for staff to collect the data. And I would support adding, we already have it in our legislative platform, but maybe elevated up a little bit because it is an issue. And we all know a bunch of lawyers up here we all know that just because a business or another county or another agency does something doesn't mean it's lawful and so we have to be careful in that regard so I do think to collect the statistics, and it doesn't have to come from county council. This is more of like administrative, I think, and maybe CEO's office can assign it to someone. That's how I feel. I don't know if the maker of the motion agrees. Yeah, OK. You'll be willing to amend to 60 days? Mr. Chairman, may I? Yes. 60 days also a suggestion that it might be just an administrative thing. Yeah. So I can, the reason why we put in County Council was to look at the legal framework, but I can change it to direct CEO to work to look at the current practice of TNR programs within the surrounding jurisdictions and report back within 30 to 60 days and to also add the legislative requests and and allowed the CEO to choose whether it's County Council being part of it or OC Animal Care being part of getting the statistic and maybe giving it back to legal council to look at it. Whatever it is that would work for Madam CEO and your office to decide I have no problem with that. Okay that's clarifies the motion. Are there any further comments? Or I mean, we simply call for the vote. All right, I think we got with the amended motion. Does this second agree with that? Yes. Okay. Welcome to Making Sausages. All right, we've been working on a lot of things today. So with that, is there any objection to the now amended item? None. Passes. All right. No. We go on to the item that some of us have been waiting for, that's public comments. No, you have one more? Yeah, one more. What was that? Oh, I forgot. You want to spend some money, I'm sorry, I forgot. Okay, your item, go ahead. And 33 I and advice chair Foley, approve sponsorship of various nonprofit entities from fifth district events, funds. Approved edition or a vision of events to fiscal year 2024, 25 county events calendar. Make related findings under government code section 26227 and authorize auto control or to make related payments. We have no requests to speak on S33i. Move the item. Second. Any objection? None, you got it. Now public so Madam clerk we have always now yours I will call three names at a time we have three we're 20 requests to speak you can line up in behind the podium in the center the room your name is called Steve Rocco Charles Barfieldfield, and Tim Steed. You people have a lot of nerve. You should have time limits for yourself. We get three minutes, we get all day to waste with you. But anyway, the homeless versus the legal aliens and your fraud. There's only one reason why there's homeless in Orange County, and that's you guys. Homeless are Americans, and they're at the last step before death. Illegal aliens are in Americans, and they, a lot of them, have no intention of ever becoming Americans, but they want it's freebies. You reward the illegal aliens and punish the Americans. The Americans are crazy according to you so they get social workers, they get conservatorship, they get the property taken away because they're crazy. They get, why are you homeless? That's ridiculous. If you're an illegal alien, you get freebies. Lots of freebies. You get vouchers for rent. You get food. You can live your entire life of paying nothing. And these illegals who come here, they're not Americans. They're the most disparate people from America. It possibly be. Different race, different religion, different culture, and some of them are here for revenge. And if you don't, if you read the newspapers, you know there's a lot of murders going out there by mostly young men. And the young men are using cars and guns and all kinds of nasty things to kill Americans. But you know what? Young men too, Americans, are into revenge too. And they're doing exactly the same thing. We once had a civil war because of cotton pickers. Are you willing to risk another civil war because of fruit pickers? Because that's what's happening. You are not paying attention. But the point is this, you are allied with the illegals. Thank you, sir. Your time is up. Compassion and action. There is absolutely no question that our social workers walk with compassion each and every day. And whether you're a social worker in this room or you're watching online, we salute you, particularly today we celebrate you. But today for the board, it's a day of action. Good afternoon, honorable members of the board supervisors. I am Charles Barfield, General Manager of the Orange County Employees Association. I stand before you today on behalf of over 18,000 OCA members throughout this county who dedicate their lives to public service each and every day. Today we are here to address a crisis within children and family services division within SSA, a crisis that threatens not only the well-being of our OCEA represented members, but also of the vulnerable children and the families that they serve. We recently conducted a comprehensive survey of CFS social workers. And 225 respondents shared their experiences, shared their concerns, and shared their suggestions. Their results are stark and they are deeply troubling. 73% expressed no confidence in CFS executive management. 72% are considering leaving or transferring due to a toxic work environment. 81% report serious impacts to their mental and physical health. Recently, a mandatory rotation policy was implemented by CFS executive management. And I think that for Vice Chair Foley, you may have gotten an up close in personal report. This isn't just a workplace issue. When we lose experienced social workers, we lose irreplaceable institutional knowledge. And they weaken the very system designed to protect. Now, two weeks ago in the wake of the treasure tax collector, supervisor, Wagner, Rangan Larmel. Your time is up, but if the board would permit and the additional minute. 15 seconds. 15 seconds, all right. So in the wake of TTC two weeks ago, you called out and invited employees to ring the bell. Don't wait so long. Tell us so that we can fix what's wrong. You said speak up. So we're here speaking up, supervisor. The crisis is decades in the making. This has nothing to do with the supervisor request from two weeks ago And today on behalf of all of these workers. We're here to demand action. Thank you Thank you After Tim steed the next three speakers are Judy Bowling Veronica Werdarte and Carolyn Gaska I Get after Chairman Chafry, Vice Chair Foley. It was great to say that. Audible board members. My name is Tim Steed and the Assistant General Manager at the Orange County Employees Association. I've been with the union now for 18 years. And actually one of my first assignments was being a staff representative for the Social Services Agency. And the alarming survey data points that you just heard paints a very clear picture. that CFS social workers are struggling under executives that do not support them, and the consequences of this failure are being felt by the residents that these professionals serve. We have tried four years to collaborate in good faith through MOU negotiated venues like a caseload management forum are most recently a labor management committee in formal attempts conversations with division heads with managers, but at each and every time these concerns from frontline workers were dismissed. Their experiences minimized and their voices silenced instead of solutions workers were met with gaslighting retaliation. So many of them are watching from their offices right now because of fear of coming in for such a meeting like this. Now I mentioned I've been at OCA now for 18 years as a union rep and I know one thing for sure if any worker we represented got this same feedback that these executives you better believe they'd be put on a performance improvement plan or PIP. And that's exactly what we are proposing here today. today. We want you to put a performance improvement plan on these CFS executives and we have forward area. and that's exactly what we are proposing here today. We want you to put a performance improvement plan on these CFS executives. And we have four areas that we're going to touch on. The crew here will be touching on in just a second that we want the executives to improve on. That is leadership failure and accountability, communication and transparency, workplace culture and retaliation, and of course addressing the disastrous mandatory rotation policy. Thank you for your time and attention to these matters. Thank you. Next speaker please. Good afternoon honorable Board of Supervisors. I am Judy Bowling, senior investigator with the Orange County Public Defender and President of Orange County Employees Association. As you all know, given the recent developments on this board, leadership, effectiveness, and accountability are essential to any organization, but particularly for those given the public's trust. Workers just described CFS executive management as lacking strategic direction, setting unclear expectations, and fundamentally disconnected from frontline realities. These issues have real consequences. When leadership fails to understand the realities of child welfare work, they make decisions that actively harm both social workers and the children they serve. The mandatory rotation policy is a prime example. It disregards years of specialized experience, dismisses the complexity of child welfare work, and undermines the very relationships that are critical to child safety. When responded, put it plainly, these executives have not demonstrated that they have the interpersonal skills to lead a large organization. They are not servant leaders, but make it clear that they care about themselves above their workers. Effective leadership is not about issuing orders. It's about listening. It is about understanding the burdens carried by those on the front lines and working collaboratively to find solutions. CFS executive management has consistently felt to do this for many years. When we ask CFS social workers to rate their executive management, 56% respond it does not meet expectations. We ask the board to require that CFS executive management be held accountable. Demand that they meaningfully engage with frontline workers. And assist on solutions that prioritize the well-being of both staff and the children and the families they serve. Thank you. Thank you. May we have the next speaker please. Applause. Hello, Honorable Board of Supervisors. My name is Veronica Rodarte. I'm OCA Operations Manager. Today I want to address CFS executive management's ineffective communication and lack of transparency. For any organization to function effectively, leadership must communicate openly, honestly and consistently with its workforce. But in CFS, employees report that communication from executive management is inadequate, misleading, and at times completely absent. This failure creates confusion, distress, and disengagement among the very workers who shoulder the responsibility of protecting the most vulnerable members of our community. Town halls and labor management committees should be spaces for dialogue and collaboration. Instead, workers describe them as performative, a way for leadership to check a box rather than engage in meaningful discussion. Communication in CFS is largely one way. Decisions are announced, not discussed. Feedback is not welcomed and when workers do speak up, they are dismissed or ignored. CFS executive managers are perceived as unavailable, unresponsive, and evasive when concerned to race. Worse, inconsistent messaging from different levels of management, further compounds the problem, leaving workers uncertain about policies that directly impact their ability to do their jobs effectively. Their erosion of trust has real consequences. When social workers don't know what to expect from leadership, when they can't rely on clear, consistent communication, it weakens the system designed to protect at-risk children and families. Honourable supervisors, transparency is not optional. It is the foundation of good leadership, the workers at CFS deserve leadership that is accessible, that listens and that communicates with honesty and integrity. Thank you. Thank you. After Karen Gaskha, the next three speakers are Alicia Green, Karenza Shipman and Gabriella Hadago. Mr. Chairman and Gabriella Hadago has requested a translator. So her time will be doubled. I'm here to address the severe breakdown of workplace culture within CFS. A toxic environment that is punishing employees out in record numbers. Our survey found that 72% of workers are in the state of the state. We have a report that says we have a report that says we have a report that says we have a report that says we have a report that says we have a report that says we have a report that numbers. Our survey found that 72% of workers are considering leaving or transferring due to poor leadership burn out in lack of support. Even more alarming, 81% report serious impacts on their mental and physical health, including anxiety, exhaustion, and overall decline in their well-being. Employee Morale is at an all-time low because leadership has failed to acknowledge the realities of this job. Workers are carrying overwhelming case loads while struggling to balance their own well-being, yet their concerns are dismissed and their sacrifices go unrecognized. Instead of support, many experience the culture of fear and retaliation when they try to speak up. This environment does not just hurt workers, it directly undermines the agency's ability to protect children. When employees are afraid to raise concerns, when burnout is ignored, when workers feel unheard, the entire system suffers. We're calling on the board to require that CFS executive management be held accountable for their leadership failures. Lack of employee engagement and toxic workplace culture. Workers need meaningful ways to provide feedback without fear of retaliation. They need to know their voice matters. CFS employees should be able to focus on protecting Orange County's children, not surviving in a stress-filled a workplace characterized by fear and frustration. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Honorable supervisors, my name is Alicia Green, and I'm a Labor Representative at OCEA. You may have noticed that the mandatory rotation policy has emerged as a theme across every issue that we've discussed today. That's because it represents the culmination of failed leadership, poor decision-making, and complete disregard for worker input. It has upended lives, threatens to deepen the retention crisis, and has or will continue to inflict real harm on both employees and the children they serve. Workers have made it clear that decisions like this are being made without transparency, collaboration, or logic. Management solicits input when pushed, then disregards it, leaving workers feeling unheard and undervalued. 55% of employees surveyed strongly opposed the mandatory rotation policy. One worker shared that this policy has created an environment filled with animosity, anger, fear, and anguish. We are worried about the increased workload, change in schedules, and being forced out of the agency. Additionally, those with legitimate medical needs have had their concerns ignored when seeking common sense accommodations. One respondent shared, I submitted letters from my mental health providers that a change in my work environment may exacerbate my symptoms. These letters were not accepted by the agency. Other experienced workers were moved from programs they spent decades working their way into and forcibly rotated into others that did not meet their physical needs. Instead of providing exceptions or identifying a rotation policy that actually works, these dedicated employees were put on a medical leave or retired while their former co-workers drowned in the sea of work that was left behind. The consequences of this policy extend beyond the employees and into the community the county serves. When workers are abruptly moved their relationships with the children, families, community partners, and service providers are severed in the process. Trust is broken and the mission of protecting the children is compromised. The county must hold CFS accountable. We urge you to demand implementation of a more transparent approach, one that prioritizes the well-being of both workers and the children they serve. Thank you. Thank you. Honorable supervisors, my name is Karenza Shutman. I'm a senior labor relations representative at OCEA, and I stand before you today not just as an advocate, but as someone who has lived this reality. I spent 10 years as a social worker in CFS in Orange County. I dedicated my career to public service, to children and families in their most vulnerable moments, investigating abuse, ensuring safety, navigating court systems, and making impossible decisions in the name of protection. That's the reality of child welfare work. It's relentless, it's heartbreaking, and it's necessary. Hundreds of dedicated social workers continue to work under unbearable conditions, not because it's easy, but because they know what's at stake. And that's why I stand here today. I left my position at CFS, but I did not leave this fight. I could no longer stand by and watch my peers, my friends, the people who carry the weight of these life-altering decisions, be broken by mismanagement, indifference, and a system that refuses to protect them. The crisis that CFS is real and it's urgent. Today, we are asking you to do what CFS executives have refused to do. Advocate for and protect these social workers the way they advocate for and protect this community. We are also asking you to stop the mandatory rotations and rotate out the CFS executives who created this crisis or place them on performance improvement plans. Install leadership that listens, leads with integrity, understands the weight of this work and respects those who do it. This is not about retaliation, it's about responsibility. CFS executives have had years to fix this. Instead, they have ignored work or input, doubled down on harmful decisions, and created a culture of fear and instability. Each of you also chose public service. That choice at its core was about making things better. This is an opportunity for you to honor that choice, to show these workers that they are not indispensable, that they matter, and that they do. In fact, have leaders who will fight for them. Thank you. After Gabriela, Heldago, the next three speakers, our Michael M. Sharon Logan and Court Chapman. Buendia a la mesa y a la audiencia en general. Continuo en la, en lo que parece ya estar convirtiéndose en una tradición venir ante ustedes a presentar nuestra petición permanente por la mejora de nuestra programa de apoyo a la salud mental en clara vida local Santana. Good afternoon to the board and to the general audience. I continue with it here to a tradition to come before you and present our ongoing request for the improvement of our mental health support program at Clarebida in Santiana. I will try to be brief by highlighting the most outstanding things that have happened to me since my previous appearance, first of all. At my presentation here, the facility staff resented me for having published my appearance on social media networks, indicating that they were proceeding against me legally, since I'm accused of defaming them because we have no tangible evidence of these abuses. This explains why I have always been denied and written in response to any written response of our request, however, they forget that we have colleagues who have seen this. They have witnessed what's happened. They also forget that the first amendment to the Constitution guarantees every person in this country the free expression of ideas and grievances. I guess they changed their tactic of classifying me as a psychologically unstable person. I was also told again that there would be no response to our request since the county would always delegate decision making to them and therefore they did not consider making changes since according to them, their staff is highly trained to resolve any situation. Here's the curious thing, though. When presented with disagreements to them, they say they are not qualified to act upon that, and they direct everyone to Ms. Geo, who acts as regional director of Clarabita, and whose contact information is denied to us. Curiously, that contact information has also disappeared from the Internet portal. Se demuestra claramente la intención de apertura a la comunicación tal vez conseña de humo o palomas mensajeras al final y lo toma con muchas reservas se me ha indicado por conservación telefónica de la remoción de una de las responsables del programa y promesas de cambios positivos en the is clearly demonstrated, perhaps with smoke signals or carrier pigeons, I don't know. And the end, and all I can take with us is, this is take it like a grain of salt. I have been informed by telephone of the removal of one of the program's leaders. And I promised and a promise of positive changes from here on out. We keep the faith. Thank you all. Gabriela Idalgo. Thank you. I have the next next speaker please. Michael M. Sharon Logan in Court Chaplain Vu. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Sharon Logan of Logan versus O.C. Animal Care and Paul Protectors versus San Diego Humane Society. Judge Bacall rolled in the San Diego Humane Society Texas versus San Diego Humane Society. Judge Bacall rolled in the San Diego Humane Society's policy of returning friendly non-ferral cats to community violates the law. The judge ruled that releasing a healthy, friendly, adoptable non-ferral cat back to the streets without a caregiver does constitute abandonment and is against the law, and illegalpino code 597-S. The court's decision sends a strong message to shelters nationwide that releasing friendly cats into potentially dangerous environments is not an acceptable solution to overpopulation. It was proven that SDH recategorized thousands of doppablegots as community cats, releasing them to face starvation, predation by coyotes, traffic, accidents, and human cruelty. I have previously emailed this entire board as supervisors of the court reporters transcript board for word with the judges ruling. The law does distinguish between domestic, domesticated and feral cats. There is no dispute between the parties over trapping, spaying or neutering, or neutering, and the releasing feral cats which were unsocialized. And let's be clear, the bill was killed in the Senate because it included friendly cats in the language of TNR and a national coalition of animal advocates, including myself, called Fix Our Shelters, came to testify in Sacramento that the bill would be supported by all of us if friendly cats were excluded and removed from the language. We were refused, and that's why the bill was killed. And lastly, I do wanna say that we have been contacted by animal advocates from Los Angeles City and San Bernardino City and we have put them in touch with our lawyers and our lawyers are going to be sending a cease and disease to those cities if they continue releasing friendly cats and if they don't they will be sued next thank you. Okay. Next speaker please. Michael M. Court Chaplin-Vue. Good afternoon. Board, Board ofors, Chairman. Maximus, U.S. Service Inc. and Department of Education, a perfect cover-up for all family courts since 1980. And as I have up here, two weeks ago, the Board extended the Maximus Inc. contract. And for 31 years, Maximus has operated as a government contractor. Now suddenly the county is considering privatization. Now, if I'm wrong, I stand to be corrected, but the record speaks for itself. Founded in 1975, first contracted with Los Angeles County in 1988, a little bit later, 1994. That's the bankruptcy of Orange County, chapter nine, under the OC Treasury, if I pronounce it wrong, Citron, mismanagement of whatever he did, and under also as well, title 4D and 4E well for programs. Maximus is not just only a contractor, it's a CMS, and it's also an ERP enterprise resource planning and SOP standard operation procedures system embedded in CFS, child support system enforcement and judicial funding. Now, there's a lot of other things I like to share, but as you can see, I don't have that much time. And I just would like to point out the fact that it's controlled by Wall Street giants such as BlackRock, Vanguard, Fideli and State Street. And at the exact same time too, I wanted to know who approved the renewal. Why wasn't the public informed about this contract that was extended, which you did mention about it last time, but it went everybody's head. And why is the board protecting a system of profits that family crisis? Why isn't the board mentioning any religious organization for special open-door policy community for assisting with family court case matters? And also too, this is a taxable event. So for every financial liability must be transported, recorded. Thank you, sir, your time is up. Yes, and I just want to say one last thing. I'm not an outsider. I'm reckoning you fail to anticipate. So I just want to let you all know the fact that, yeah. Thank you. Next three speakers are Brian K. Juan Suarez and Roseanne. Happy day. During the invocation, Supervisor Wagner asked God to give him direction so that good decisions could be made. And he even bragged about meeting certain people and discussing the issues. Any reason why you won't meet with me? Supervisor Wynn, you talked about when you lost the election by seven votes, you went down and counted all the signatures and how important it was that every signature mattered. I presented a petition with you with a false forged criminal plea agreement and I asked you to look at one signature. Have you looked at that? Have you even acknowledged that there's a speaker before you who's presented petitions and who's speaking to you at this moment? Yeah I've spent half an hour making a a redwood name plaque for you and you can't even look at me. Supervisor Sarmiento sir bragged about wanting to help the community and less adversarial communication and more congenial communication. May I ask you, have you done anything that could be considered congenial in your communication with me? Is it all adversarial? Because that's all that I've seen from you, sir. Adversary. I presented a very simple, very straightforward petition with a false forged criminal plea agreement. And have you responded or taken any consideration of that matter? No. What kind of response do you expect from me? What do you expect me to do? I can tell you've got security and and mental detectors rather than communication with the public. Happy day. I might be having the next speaker please. Is there another speaker? I'll call Nick Colib, Patty Kabata, and Reader. Chair, Chaffee, everybody here, Good afternoon. Nick Kolev, civil engineer, civil rights activist. Administrative, ministerial procedure in Orange County Superior Court. Supervising judge, Julie Palafox, is holding my retirement with the county and the state and clearance with the Department of Child Support Services for 205 days. According to the law, every judge supposed to support and file a fade-the-beat of compliance. She lied and those fade-the-beat twice. Twice 90 days in 206 days. According to the law, her salary is supposed to be withheld until she resolves the case. Is that simple? Legal counsel, Mr. Page, was defendant in the case when it went to court of appeals to California Supreme Court. Right now, I am filing a notice for petition for rid Serturari with United States Supreme Court to get a signature. Going through the entire system to get a signature, this is difficult to comprehend. And it's based on my political activities. It's strictly biased prejudice, discrimination, and just cannot end up. Has nothing to do with the division of powers, with the judicial branch having their own business. This is strictly administrative, ministerial, fictitious. Thank you. Something has to be done. Hold her salary. Thank you. May we have the next speaker please Hello board I'm asking that you please look into AB 1333 it was introduced February 21st 2025 this bill would eliminate certain circumstances under which homicide is justifiable, including among others in defense of a habitation or property. The bill would additionally clarify circumstances in which homicide is not justifiable, including among others when a person uses more force than necessary to defend against a danger. I'm asking that you look into this to protect the residents here in our county. No one knows how they're going to react if they have someone enter their home without their permission. And what if they use excessive force? What if they use a gun and self defense? And they don't know that the intruder didn't have one in their possession. Now that person can be charged for killing someone when they weren't intentionally trying to do it. But they were scared. So I'm just asking that you please look into the bill and talk to the sheriff and talk to the DA and ask how a bill like that can affect the resident here of our county. And if you don't agree with it, please talk to the senators and to the assemblymen that represent our county to work against it. Thank you. After a reader, the last two but he just weight is his delight. When pride comeeth then comeeth shame, but with the lowly is wisdom. The integrity of the upright shall guide them, but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them. Riches profit not in the day of wrath, but righteousness deliver at them from death. The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way, but the wicked shall fail by his own wickedness. The righteousness of the ungodly shall deliver them, but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness. When a wicked man dies, the expectation shall perish, and the hope of unjust man perishing. The righteous is delivered out of trouble, and the wicked come it in his stead, a hypocrite with his mouth destroys his neighbor. But through knowledge shall the just be delivered. When it goes well with the righteous, there's rejoicing, and when the wicked perish, there's shouting. By the blessing of the upright, the city is made, it's exalted, but it is a overthrow, it is overthrown by the government. I'm sorry, your time is up, thank you. Donna Barron, Karen, and California Pre-Sync Activators. Wow, interesting afternoon. I've got some ideas for you. Maybe you could help you. Janet, when I got you, I'm giving you some brownie points today. When it comes to animals, I have a soft heart. However, Mr. Page went to the penal code. We were talking about a few dollars here, small amount of money, relatively to the annual budget. So here's some ideas. Mr. Andrew Doe, your predecessor stole COVID money. Millions of dollars. Perhaps you can get some of that back. I don't know what the silence was on that all these years. I only found out about it a year ago. It's hard to understand how the Board of Supervisors, I can't blame you for that one this one because it was your predecessor. It's interesting to, I've been pondering this, how you guys didn't know about it or stayed silent about one of your colleagues, a board of supervisor, Mr. Andrew Doe stealing money through a non-profit. I just can't understand how you all could have stayed silent and not known about it. Maybe I'm not understanding something here. Another thing, you talk about a few dollars on animals for animals so that people, they can find good homes. And yet, you are spending millions, billions, or whatever the country's spending trillions on illegals. Okay, now I'm gonna read you something here. Okay, okay. So all agents and agencies of government must obey the federal Constitution first and the state Constitution second. Now you all took an oath of office under the Constitution. I never once hear you talk about the Constitution and Mr. Leon Page talked about the penal code. But you have time for that. No, for the speakers, Mr. Chair. No, it's okay. So, I suppose I'll follow you when to make comment. Thank you. I just want to clarify for the public. As soon as we learned about the nefarious deeds of criminal acts of Supervisor Doe. We took immediate action. We are suing. He's a defendant trying to recover the funds from him and he's going to prison. So we did take immediate action. Right. Thank you for that comment. All right. Now we come on. Are there any memorial adjournments? I don't see any, so that leads us then to simply adjourning the meeting. Well, I forgot to ask, legal counsel, can I do you have any report? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So we're soon to go to the government code section 5 for 9, 5, 6.9, 5, 4, 9, 5, 7, 7, 7 5 4 9 5 7 7 7 7 be the board met in closed session to discuss the items reference on today's agenda as CS 1, S S 2, S S 3, S 5 and S 6. So with respect to SCS-3, the board unanimously approved a $5 million settlement in the eminent domain case Orange County Flood Control District versus Fisher Scientific LLC to compensate the property owner for acquisition of a flow of jeezman over industrial warehouse property in the City of Chino. The flow of jeezman is necessary for the completion of the Santa Ana River Mainstem Project that will provide flood control protection to residents and property owners in Orange County. Related to this settlement, the Board unanimously authorised and directed County Council and announced that Council to file and execute all necessary documents that are needed to settle the case. The Board also authorised the direct deposit to either the property owner or the state condemnation deposits fund. The additional sum of $4,270,000 for a total of $5,000,000 in just compensation. Upon completion and execution of the settlement documents, the Board authorised and directed the auto controller to incumbent transfer funds to either the property owner or the state condemnation deposits fund in the amount of $4,270,000 in new money, so for a total of $5 million on deposit. The determination of litigation expenses and interest on compensation will be determined by the Superior Court with the amount to be paid from the fund 404 reserve account. The Board Authorized County Council and the Auto Controller take all actions that are to accomplish these directives when the settlement documents are finalized copies of the documents will be made available to the Office of County Council to any person who inquires. SCS-4 was deleted from the agenda prior to close session. With respect to SCS-5, the board unanimously approved a proposed $6.1 million global settlement involving the following claimants, Connell, Phyllis, Gant, Zheng, Shikli, Van Zil, Wallace, and Wozzyjowski. All claimants submitted claims for losses and damages incurred as a result of the September of 2024 airport fire. The global settlement approved by the board today remains subject to the final approval of others. When the settlement documents are finalized copies of the settlement agreement will be made available for the Office of CA Risk Management 20 person who inquires. Finally, with respect to SCS-6th Board, he has approved a proposed $70,000 settlement, the matter of Blanca Garcia and Andres LaRanca versus County Orange. The plaintiffs in this matter claim bodily injuries and emotional distress resulting from a motor vehicle accident. With a county employee, the settlement remains subject to the final approval of others. When the settlement is finalized copies of the settlement agreement, we've made available with the Office of CO Risk Management 20% and Quires. But beyond that, Mr. Chairman, the board took no other reportable action in close session today. Thank you. I'm glad we took no more action. That was a lot. All right. We are adjourned. Thank you.