percent if you're recognized. Good evening Mayor Vice Mayor Commissioners City Manager. I want to take a moment while we're honoring one individual tonight for his employee of the quarter. I don't like to take a moment to recognize our officers who are up in Tampa helping out with the devastation in that area. So we have six officers up there deployed to assist and doing God's work up there as well. Officer Martin, brother. Sorry Chief, would you mind mentioning those officers' names? What's that sir? What do you mind mentioning our officers' names that are in Tampa? Yes, Melvary's Lopez, Rob Bukins. You cut me off guard here. Who else do we have up there? Jose Salgado and Officer Burgos Thank you, sir On Friday September 27th, 2024 officer pray there was responsible for enforcing Camping ordinances and homeless engagement and sharing the city parks within his zone were empty after sundown. At around 9.55 pm, Officer Prayther observed three individuals sitting on a bench inside of Marshall Williams Park. Upon interviewing the individual he discovered one of them was a convicted felon with an arrest warrant for resisting police officers without violence. He arrested that individual and that individual's possession was crack cocaine and two loaded firearms. Through the diligent investigation officer prayed the determine that one of the firearms had been reported stolen in 2022 from a vehicle burglary in South Miami. Furthermore officer prayed the report revealed that the arrested individual matched the description of the suspect who committed the vehicle burglary. This case was forwarded to our criminal investigative division for further follow-up. Congratulations to you for all the show of the court. Thank you. Officer Prager, the floor's yours if you like. Put them on the spot. Thank you. Officer, if you're ready, the floor is yours if you like. Put them on the spot. Thank you. This isn't just my award, I believe. I believe it's also my squad. I got a great sergeant that encourages us to be pretty proactive. And I couldn't have done this without the rest of my squad. So I think this is all ours. Thank you. Thank you for your excellent service. Let's come forward for a picture. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're the best. Thank you. Thank you again for that. Madam Clerk, if you can read the add-on item, please. Yes. Add-on one. A resolution of the mayor and City Commission of the CDSF claiming ratifying their purchase of emergency repairs for a garbage truck from a metal floor in amount of $13,939. Thank you, colleagues. Any objections to adding this item onto tonight's agenda? No. Hearing none, we'll consider it added on. Is there a motion to approve the minutes of November sorry September 17th special meeting September 17th regular meeting in October 1st 2024 regular meeting. I'll move it. Second. The motion by the vice mayor a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk you can call the roll please. Yes Commissioner Kaye. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Lehman. Yes. Bethner Bonneesh. Yes. commission and Corey. Yes, commission and Lehman. Yes, but I'm one of these. Yes, may I for Nandas. Yes, and it's passed by to thank you Mr. Manager report, please. Yes sir deputy manager will present Manjebby manager recognized Thank you Homecoming weekend for South Miami Grey Ghost and the cheer program is scheduled for Saturday up Homer Park So aside from their scheduled games,'s going to be community activities to celebrate The children in both programs. We also have a few upcoming activities any events we have Duncan for pumpkins That's at Murray Park Aquatic Center on Wednesday October 23rd from five to six thirty We have the state of the city that's Tuesday October 29th at area stage Halloween party for our active adults October 31st That's going to take place at the senior plaza at 10 a.m And safe streets Halloween, which is our big Halloween event that happens on sunset drive We invite everyone to come out to that one from four to seven and as chief mentioned We do have four officers a sergeant lieutenant and a chaplain deployed to Tampa So thank you to the police department and those officers for for that issue Colleagues any questions regarding the report? Okay. Let's move on the thank you Madam Manager. Mr. City Attorney, your report please. Thank you Mayor, very briefly. You had asked for an update on the Mandelstam litigation. As you may recall, Mr. Mandelstam, sued based on a telecommunications facility that had been put up on his land through an agreement with him, as it were. So for some reason, he had a disagreement with Verizon over that telecommunications facility and following that, after that contract dispute, he received a judgment against him in favor of Verizon, and then he promptly turned around and sued us for allowing the telecommunications facility to be there and sued Verizon for, I forget what. But the, where we are right now, there are two pending motions to dismiss. Verizon filed one and the city filed one. This is all handled by insurance council. The city's insurance council, those have been pending since March. There was a status conference in September and they are trying to get a hearing date to hear them. It looks like the judge may just wave the hearing date because there was a brief hearing of sorts on the last motion calendar at that status conference. And it looks there we are awaiting a ruling from the judge on those two motions to Smith. We do have our insurance council has an appeal ready to go on in the event that there's an adverse decision. I have one question it relates to the item that was on the managed report. We have an issue at Donk if it's so park with respect to Emergency Egrist or fire and I know that one of the alternatives was Possibly approaching mannalism about access given that we're I mean it would seem likely that we're going to prevail on those two motions to dismiss. Yes. I don't know if the board has any interest in approaching them about some sort of a negotiated settlement that might provide them some relief in exchange for some access rights so we could solve two respective problems. I don't know if we all have sort of any thoughts on that. What would that mean? Yeah, so what? I mean, I'd provide some. Yeah, I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I I would imagine he was, had consented to the application that resulted in the tower being placed on his property, correct? There's some dispute over what the extent of his consent. Okay. Yeah, okay. Yes, sir. Do we know that all the options have been verified on what possible solutions we can have for the egress issue? Yeah, I believe there were two alternatives that were studied and there were some rise in the mandatory report. Were there not? We looked at multiple alternatives just for purposes of what the mayor has made reference to is in the design of the new building for a down-to-facil. There's a requirement by the fire department to provide access to that building within 50 feet. Also, a hydrant has to be within certain distance as well. In looking at alternatives, trying to find the alternative that is leases ruptive to our park facility. There was this one potential idea that we'd use the adjacent property in this case, Mendelssohn property, as the means of access to be able to satisfy their requirement, we would have to, so those options on pending, talking to the Fire Department to discuss those ideas at the Fire Marshal's level, it was up of a plans review, something I was picked up through the plans review and we've been working on ideas. So it would be one idea that we may be able to pursue depending on the outcome of the shade meeting. Thank you. OK, so if we can have direction to the clerk to advertise a shade meeting for, I guess, November 4th? 4th, 5 o'clock. Correct. 5 o'clock? Or 6 o'clock? Should be a quick shade meeting. I would imagine. I don't think it will be. 6 p.m. 6 p.m. on November 4. Thank you. Yes, sir. Just, I guess, remember that we have the sunshine meeting the first of the month. Sunshine meeting as well that day. So I think since the last time we canceled it, I think we should probably go ahead and announce the cancellation of that sunshine meeting and substitute it with the shade meeting. There's no objection for my colleague. No objection. Okay. Mayor just so the record is clear, this is the public announcement. There will be an executive session meeting November 4th at 6 p.m. to discuss the Mandlest and litigation. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. And thank you for your report. Moving on to public remarks. Again, as I mentioned before the start of the meeting, if you're here to speak on any item relived to the sunset place which Riden's 15 and 16 on tonight's agenda, which will take up very shortly, I would ask that you hold your public remarks so we call those items and the presentations are made. I do have a list of folks who did register for Policermarks if you are in that category just wave at me and it will We'll hear you Concurrently with those items the first name on the list is Pierre SX Sir are you here on Sunset Place? Okay. Thank you. Raymond Hernandez Raymond Hernandez going once Raymond Hernandez going twice. Okay. We'll move on to Alvaro Rodriguez. Sonsa Place as well. Thank you, sir. Anyone who is here, thank you, who is here on any item other than Sonsa Place who would like to address this commission or any item that is not on the agenda. Again, this is an open forum. Okay. Scene. Please come forward, Ms. Fisher. Thank you. Good evening. Actually, Sunset Place is only one thing that I want to mention, so I don't know if I should say something. No, please. You can, you can, again, any other item please go ahead and address it at this time. Thank you. Okay. Sunset Place. I'll mention that first since that's what you were calling people up for. No, no, no We're not calling people for sunset place. We're gonna take up public comment for that item when the item is called Okay, if you want to address all your other items, please go ahead and do so at this time. Thank you Well, I came here tonight because I want to hear the discussion about projects That will possibly there possibly going to be done through the bond issue. I'm very interested in that bond issue. I got the mail out at home and there was no disclosure whatsoever about how that bond issue, how the bonds will be paid off. I understand that municipal bonds are actually alone and there's a type called Revenue and then there's General Obligation bonds. So as far as Revenue I don't know what you're planning that would produce so much revenue that taxpayers would not have to have any additional tax. Ms. Fisher if you'd like we're going to take up that item after public remarks the presentation and I'll recognize you for questions at that time, if you like. That way you can have the benefit of the presentation, and you can ask your questions thereafter. OK. OK. Sure. May I bring up a few other things? Please go right ahead, yes. I live on Southwest Dadiott Street. I've lived there formally, registered as a voter since 1995. And I live pretty close to Fuchs Park. It's only about six blocks up the road, something like that. And I pass by Fuchs Park very often, and it used to be full of people enjoying the park. It was a very popular park. Then all of these workers came in and they did a redo on the park and the park is like a ghost. It's a ghost park now. It's like there's no, no one I'd never seen anyone there. I've seen a few homeless people taking naps on the grass and I don't even see them anymore. We used to have flocks of beautiful birds there. Ibis and we had all these ducks and it was beautiful and wonderful. I would see grandparents bringing little children with them to enjoy the birds. And I don't know what happened but ever since that redo it's just gone dead. It's really, really sad to me because that park was always such a treasure. The park, I think we're going to need some kind of workshops, including the public. If there's going to be any improvements on parks going into the future, because something happened that just killed the park off, it was, it was, it had more of a natural ambiance and a natural look it was there were little spots that Surrounding the park that look forested Now it's very very manicured and it has a very sophisticated type of a landscape around the pond and there's that beautiful Walkway and no one uses it You know, I don't have the answers to these questions, why, what happened, why it went dead like that. I don't know, but it's very heartbreaking to me after all these years living here. So we have to be very careful going forward as to what we're going to do to our parks. And I hope that you will be listening to input from us residents who have been here for years and know the parks very well. So I see that my minutes are over and I'll be speaking a little later. Thank you. Anything else you want to address? I'll give you another 30 seconds if you had another item. I'm going to pay. I'm going to thank, I'm going to thank you very much. Oh, I have one thing to say. Okay, thank you for offering that about the old. To see you. Don't make me regret it, please. I'm gonna make it very brief. I don't know if everyone is familiar with the hometown plan, but the creator of the hometown plan is here this evening. And I just greeted him and his wife. They were both very active with that. And the hometown plan was an awesome thing. And I hope that as you go forward and you start looking at different projects that you will consider retaining certain elements of the hometown plan that made this city a very friendly community oriented with a sense of community. We've developed that over the years and the hometown plan should not ever really be discarded. It should be taken into consideration when you make plans for the future. And that's all I'll say. Thank you for the extra second. Thank you, Ms. Fisher. Just so you know, we did budget money in this budget for a Parks Master Plan update. So we'll be going through another public process around all of our parks here shortly. Okay. And thank you. And Mayor little institutional knowledge we removed in base of Australian pines. From that park, yes sir. Thank you for that. Okay. Further members of the audience who'd like to address this commission on any topic other than Sunset Play. Okay. Seeing no one in the chamber, is there anyone online? Madam Clerk. Anyone online would like to speak? Do I probably remarks other than sunset place? Please raise your virtual hand. Okay, seeing none, we're gonna close public remarks. Colleagues, I'm gonna quickly take the add on item and then the consent agenda items and then we'll move on to sunset place. So that's okay. Can I get a motion to adopt items one through 10 and 12 on the consent agenda agenda unless there's any other items You'd like to pull I have to pull item 11 because I have to recuse myself on that matter So items one through ten any objections to the adoption of items one through ten and item twelve on tonight's consent agenda Give me one second Mayor. Let me take your time. Did you want to pull four? Item four is the landscape. Unless there's a desire to award it to the second rank you're not going to be able to do that. Unless there's a desire to award it to the second rank respondent, I'll accept the motion to adopt items 1 through 10 and 12. So. Good. We're going to have a chance to review the agenda. I'm sure we've sent items 1 through through 12 not including item 11 Because with emotion by commissioner Leedman and a second by the vice mayor Madam clerk if you can call the role, please I'm sorry. Yes, if you could read the resolutions My apologies Short commercial break I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. It was just improving the authorizing approach of 2024 for transit. 350 15 passenger ban from to fall for the parks recreation and culture department. It's going to rate for county shares office contract number 22-27-1.0 in amount of 56,857.52. Be clear and existing vehicles as surplus, property, item two, a resolution of the City Commission authorizing the purchase of a new three station portable restroom trail of from ready to go restroom trail is sales LLC in amount, not take C, 63,000, $232. Ulysses and the terms and conditions of the capacity did source work contract number 09292-AGO item three. A resolution improvement authorizing the purchase of a 2024 for F150 pickup truck from Dubal for LLC for the Paris Rec Regulation Culture Department. It's going to break for county shares of its contract number 22-27-1.0 in the amount of $57,317.8. It's clearing the existing vehicle as surplus property item for a resolution selecting milliligant and associates for landscaping master plan services. We're soon to request for qualifications number PL 2024-09 in amount of $200,000. Item 5, a resolution confirming the declaration of state of emergency issued by the city manager resulting from Hurricane Milting. Item 6, a resolution approval and disseminated public transportation grant agreement with the State of Florida Department Transportation regarding funding assistance for the city's own demands transit services. Item 7, a resolution approval and authorized an approach of electric utility services for the city. Facilities from Florida Power and the city's for the city's for the power of light. In amount, not to exceed $20,000 for fiscal year 2024, 2025. Item 8, Irresolution Approving and Authorizing Approach of Solid Waste is for the services from the Miami-Dade County Department of Solid Waste Management. In amount, not to exceed $935,000 for fiscal year 2024, 2025. Item nine, a resolution improvement in authorizing the purchase of water and waste water services from the city's facilities from the Miami-Dade Water and Water Department and amount not to see $60,000 for fiscal year 2024, 2025. Item 10, a resolution improvement in authorizing the purchase of electric utility services for street lighting for affordable power and light, that might not exceed $150,000 for fiscal year 2425. Item 12, a resolution we say in the first regular meeting in November 2024 to November 4, 2024. Thank you, Madam Clerk. We're going to need to call on a pinch reader for the next part of the meeting. I can wave a motion by Commissioner Liebman and a second by the vice mayor if you can call the role, please. Yes. Commissioner Coyne. Yes. Commission Corrin. Yes. Commission Liebman. Yes. Vice Mayor Bonne. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Vice-implementation? Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Just said passes. 5-0. Thank you. Madam Vice Mayor, I'm going to turn the meeting over to you. Before I leave, Mr. Chair, do I have to make any disclosures regarding my recusal on item 11? I think you've already disclosed that you'll have to fill out the recusal form. Okay. So the benefit of the public. I'm 11 is approval of a contract with Sunshine Gasling to Sugar's Inc. I represent affiliate entity on a land use map in the seed Miami. I think it's inappropriate to vote on that item for that reason. So I'm going to step out of the chamber and all my clients to deliberate the matter in my absence. Thank you. So you're literally just going to walk away. Sorry, my call. Oh, I'm pretty sick. That's fine. Okay, so in his absence we're going to vote on number 11. So can we have your read number 11 and then move on it? Item 11, Arizona is approving and authorizing the purchase of bulk fuel, including gasoline diesel and equipment from Sunside Sunshine, gasoline distributors and utilizing the terms, conditions and pricing of Miami-Dade County contract number E-B-N-001442 for the city's vehicle fleet and amount not to see $339,000 on $160,000 for fiscal year 2024 and 2025. Okay. Is somebody interested in moving it? I move item 11. I'll second. Well, okay. We'll have a second from Commissioner Corrie. Can you please call the roll? Yes. Commissioner Lehman. Yes. I have a number of needs? Yes, Commissioner Lee-Man. Yes. I have an appointment. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Coyote. Yes. Item passes for zero. Okay. All right, we'll bring it back in the room. Thank you, colleagues. On item 12, colleagues, I know we announced a reset for our November meeting. Did we want to consider giving staff directions to explore cancellation of any of the meetings in November and or December? So we do have that option of the charter. Either the November 19th meeting or the December 16th meeting. Yes, sir. Sorry I'd like even though I won't be here. Yeah Really well, I'd like to I think it's a good idea to keep the November 19th meeting that way the newly elected can Participate in a meeting Yeah, we may have I think we may have an installation meeting so again I'm not I'm not I'm not saying that we take the fitted action on that item tonight. I'm just asking for the manager direction to explore a cancellation of either of both of those meetings. And making a preparing announcement for the next agenda. Okay. Okay. like my kids come home. So I'm okay. Though my children come home, like in November it makes no difference to me and in December my kids come home for Christmas. But I don't know what you guys, calendars are alike for Christmas vacations. Again, we just, we have the charter folks who have wanted to raise the issues since we were talking about a meeting that date. Let's just have the clerk kind of pull us and pull the staff to make sure that we're not gonna also Interrupt any business that we have to you know have to execute during those two months, okay? Okay moving on to the add-on item very quickly. I'm Adam clerk if you can read that item for the record please Redify the purchase of emergency repairs for garbage truck from Palmeaux for an amount of 13,939 Thank you, Madam Clerk, Mr. Managing, do you want to quickly enter this item? Yes, sir. Mayor, Vice Mayor Commissioners, this item is a ratification of an emergency purchase, in this case, repair to one of our garbage trucks. This is the spare truck. We have two front line trucks. One of the two front line trucks went down and we had to send it in for repairs and we brought in our spare a ratification of that emergency action taken to get this vehicle repaired. Thank you for the explanation Mr. Manager. Colleagues, any questions? If not, can I have a motion on item F1, please? I move the motion. Okay, is there a second? Okay, second by Commissioner Cory. So motion by Commissioner Cuyah, second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner Cuy leaving. Yes, by the board. Yes, mayor Fernandez. Yes Great, madam clerk with respect to item N1 which is the appointment of Israel Rosado to serve on Historic Preservation Board. Is there any action required by this board? Yes, we need a vote. Okay. If you could read the item, please Yes, Israel Rosado has been recommended by Commissioner Calle to be appointed to serve on the historic preservation board. As far as city charter article two section eight, eight, four to your term in in October 15, 2026, or until a successor is appointed whichever occurs first. And this is a vacancy on the board. Commissioner Calle, would you like to move the item? I'll move the mind. Is there a second? Second. Madam Clerk, quick question. Why can't we make this term co-terminus with Mr. Kai? Because now he has an appointment on the board and is a more. Okay, no further explanation required. Thank you. Okay. We have a motion and a second. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes, Commissioner please. Yes, commissioner Cahier. Yes. commissioner Cori. Yes. commissioner Lehman. Yes. Fast number, please. Yes, mayor for the end is item pass. Okay, great. So colleagues, without objection, I want to take up items 15 and 16. Mr. Attorney, I believe one of these is a quadriety. Judicial item, do you want to read the disclosures and confirm advertisers. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Item number 15 and 16 address sunset place. Item 15 seeks approval of a development agreement under section 163.320 through 163.3243 Florida statutes and section 20-12.13 of the city's land development code. It is the second of two public hearings. The first public hearing was held on October 1, 2024. That's item 15. Item 16 is an application for initial site plan approval under section 20-12.13 of the land development code. Item 16 is a purely quasi judicial item. The quasi judicial procedures require this commission to consider the evidence presented to it and base your decision on the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant staff or members of the public. The staff report and the resolution provide the applicable law and criteria for approval. In this case, the general site plan criteria and specifically the criterion article 12 of the land development code. The evidence considered must be substantial competent evidence. This means testimony or evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. It is not a popularity contest. It cannot be based solely on non-expert opinions no matter how fervent those opinions might be. Now in contrast to item 16, item 15, the resolution for the development agreement, is a legislative or at best a quasi legislative item. It is nevertheless a public hearing under the statute. Because it's a public hearing under the statute and in an abundance of caution and an an for efficiency, without waiving the city's position at the resolution is in fact legislative in nature, the city should consider development agreement together with the initial site plan as part of the same public hearing. That would mean the procedure would be that of a quasi judicial hearing. That would mean the procedure would be that of a quasi-judicial hearing. That would entail a brief staff presentation. The applicant would then make a presentation. The public would then be given an opportunity to comment and then the developer may address any public comment. At that point, the public hearing would be closed and this commission could deliberate. The commission is of course free to ask any questions at any time during that process, we have done several many times. Everyone who seeks to speak on on these two items should be given an opportunity to speak during during the public comment portion. If you intend to provide testimony on on either or both the initial site plan or the development agreement considered tonight you will be sworn in before your testimony is taken. Please know if you do speak, you may be subject to cross-examination. If you refuse to either to be cross-examined or to be sworn, your testimony will be considered in that context and given it to do wait. The general public will not be permitted to cross-examined witnesses, but the public may request the commission's direct questions under behalf to either staff or the applicant. At this time anyone who wishes to speak should be sworn in. I'd ask that you please stand if you wish to speak and raise your right hand. And if you are online and you wish to speak, please turn on your camera and raise your right hand. Okay, anyone who registered on this list and wants to speak please stand up and raise your right hand to be sworn in, please. Thank you. Anyone on camera please turn on your camera and raise your right hand. Anyone on zoom? Okay, do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Great, thank you. Thank you all. Madam Clerk, please confirm that the advertising requirements and notice requirements for this hearing have been complied with. Yes. Great, thank you. And then Mayor Vice-Mayer Commissioners asked to the initial site plan approval, which is item 16, have any of you had any ex-particle communications with the applicant or any member of the public, either for or against this application? Just go across the data, so. Commissioner Lieben. I have spoken with the principal, but now regarding the site plan. I have spoken with the principal but not regarding the site plan. I have spoken with them as well. I have all spoken with the principal about the development agreement on the site plan. When we say the principal we're talking about the architect, the architectural team, his council and Mr. Vadea. Thank you. Thank you. I have spoken with the principal regard in the site. I have spoken to principal architect attorney. Same as mayor. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Great. So the last thing at your pleasure you can either hear from staff on the initial site plan or so let's let's go through a staff presentation followed by a presentation by the applicant and then we'll open it up for the public to speak and at some point I'd ask for the record to mention the things that have changed in the development agreement. So why don't we take that up right after the staff presentation? Hold on a second, I can ask Madam Vice-Mirror. You recognize? up right after the staff presentation. Okay hold on one second, yes, Madam Vice Mayor, you're recognized. And I'd also like as we did previously for our city attorney to take us through the process so that everyone has the benefit of knowing from beginning to end how many meetings have happened, how much public engagement has happened when we started and where we're at because at the last meeting when we did this before everyone was able to speak I think it was beneficial so that people who have maybe not had the benefit of being here from the beginning who maybe either joining us now or join us at the last meeting have the benefit before they speak of knowing where they're jumping in in the process if they're just getting here now. No objections. So what we'll do is we'll hear from our planning staff. We'll hear from the city attorney as to process and context. And then we'll hear about the modifications to the development agreement or or the site plan which I guess staff will summarize. And then we'll hear from the applicant and we'll open it up for the public so they have the benefit of all that information before they render their opinion. Okay, any objections? Okay, seeing none. Mr. Manager, who from staff is presenting on or behalf? Yes, sir. Mr. Hauer is, we'll be presenting. Mr. Hauer, is he recognized? Yes, it's more to do. Good evening, Mayor and Council, Mark Elvers, the corridor dinner group. We are consultants to the city staff for the review of the sunset place for the preliminary plan. We've completed a review and gone through the in detail recalculating all the numbers. The overall recommendation is that we recommend to approve the initial site plan as it is consistently consistent with the section 12 of the code. We have seven conditions that are very minor and I'm going to go through them very quickly. The first condition is that the roof top amenities and mechanical structures which are all now marked TBD and we find that to be a detail that would be very detailed at this level since each of the buildings has not been designed in depth yet. But we were just conditioned that none of the top of the minute, the over 20 feet so that they meet the code and that none of the excess of the mechanical structures it was presented, the set of drawings. We understand now from the applicant that it is an hour, on the drawings, but building R3 showed 26 floors instead of 25 and one of the double floors. One of the floors had a line through it, but we would still regard that as something that we should have the condition for. Floor plates in the 10 floor of building R6 is number three. Do exceed 20,000 square feet. I took the assumption that building R7 would be the 25,000 square foot floor plate building, and that we would condition that when the building comes for full complete design, for permitting that the building R6 would be at floor plates that are under 20,000 square feet that's outside wall to outside wall. The parking plans typically, typically parking plans would have a typical dimensions of spaces they were missing. We have no problem with it, but we would require that as the plans come in, that there will be a condition that those typical space dimensions are shown. We would also add to that that with each building that's permitted, we know this is a phased plan. That as each building gets permitted, that we would have the opportunity and the information to reevaluate the parking's efficiency. It is sufficient right now, but we know that as markets change over the years there may be a slight difference in the mix of uses and that we would reevaluate the parking as we go along. And finally, I missed one. I'm sorry. Number five was that the impervious area be compliant with the requirements section 20-12.9 Again, that has been complied with we found the it was a very small note on sheet L.S. 200 they are compliant there at 68% for the open space But we again because actually we could we could delete that one, but it is on your report and then finally Prior to the time, so regarding the master signage plan, the code requires a master signage plan. And as I recall from the code changes that were amended on this, that was something of a vestige from when this was a more of a shopping center. And I think, and we all think that the master signage plan is a little premature at this level of site planning but we would have a requirement or I should say a condition that before the first building comes in for its actual site plan review that the master's signage plan be in place that would be sufficient time to get that in place. Those are the seven conditions I would delete the one about impervious areas so we would have six conditions recommend to approve. If there's any questions I'm happy to answer. Colleagues, questions of Mr. Alvers? No questions, okay. Did you, sorry, you had a question? Not a problem. No questions. Okay. Did you want to repeat the conditions one more time? Sure. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Alvarez. Okay. Mr. City Attorney, do you want to go through again the context request from the vice mayor and then if you could speak to the changes to the development agreement please. Thank you. Just one minor clarification. The record, the resolution you guys have in front of you includes a couple of legal conditions. If you could, if you could add our fact on. Thank you. Just one minor clarification. The resolution you have in front of you includes a couple of legal Conditions. If you could just share those. Yes. Thank you. It's got all of the conditions that Mark mentioned and then there's one That requires execution of a and recording of a development Agreement, which is item 15 before you and then regarding the expiration of the site plan approval. It's as per the code. Okay. Thank you, sir, for that clarification. Okay. So you can see it. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. In terms of process, this dates back the public hearing portion of this process. I guess some context. The regulations that were in place here before for downtown Somi that predates this commission consideration and indeed this owner owning the property. Those regulations were already in place. They provided for a significant amount of non-residential floor area to the tune of something on the order of like 1.4 million square feet and roughly 660 units for the entire property. When this owner took control of the property, he came to the city to approach the city to try to revamp those regulations through a collaborative process. Those regulations were revamped and that was presented to this commission starting actually starting with a planning board in September of 2023. Okay, since that time, there have been two public hearings before the planning board. Four public hearings including this one now for the city commission. And what has been approved? Well, at that time frame in the fall of 2023, there were four things that were approved. There was a comprehensive plan amendment. There was a change in the zoning regulations. There was a change in the comprehensive plan designation of the CVS parcel. Whatever it knows, the CVS parcel at the southwest corner of the site. And the change of zoning for the CVS parcel. Basically to make it consistent with the rest of the site. That was in place adopted roughly November of 2023 late November 2023 since that time the applicant has been working on a site plan They they formally submitted that site plan. I believe in late July early August That site plan is now before you but before it got to you it went to the planning board for a public hearing and then last Commission meeting, October 1st, this commission considered the first hearing on the development agreement. So tonight what you have is the culmination of that process, which is the initial site plan approval before the commission for approval and the development agreement on the second public hearing. So all told, it's six public hearings. And then I counted at least three sunshine meetings, at the summit meeting. So I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you that I'm going to have to tell you process, these were noticed public hearings and noticed sunshine meetings. Okay, but there's questions as to process. Yes. Okay. Thank you mayor. You recognize, appreciate it. Thank you mayor. In layman's terms, Mr. City Attorney, for the public's benefit, we're not here to discuss height or density. High and density have already been approved. They were approved as part of the zoning regulations. Okay. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay, further questions. Yes, Ben and Vice-Meghan recognized. Something else that I think that is of benefit that you mentioned the last time is and I'm going to, I'm going to kill it and I know I am, is that no, exactly. Oh, you're so bad. Is that they actually had the ability to do much more than what they are doing. They've actually done less with the footprint that they have. So I think is so the question is do you want the city attorney to clarify what their rights were before? Yes. First of all, what they're proposing to do now or what they're authorized to do now? Yes. Okay. So you turn it. Can you address that question? Sure. Okay. So you turn it. Can you address that question? Sure. Sure. So as I mentioned, it's under the previous code, they had the ability to build at a 3.0 FAR, which comes out to, actually, it was 1.318 million square feet of non-residential. Under the code, as it was adopted last year, that was dropped to a maximum of 791,000 square feet of non-residential. That was a drop of 40%. The proposal before you actually is at 548,000 square feet roughly, which is about just rough numbers of approximately 42, 43% of what was allowed before this commission acted. Now, in terms of density, the density was increased from 65 units to the acre to 150 units to the acre. So they went from the ability to do 656 units up to the ability to do approximately 1500, 14 units. They are proposing 1500, 13 units as part of this. The height, so the height that was permitted under the older rules, the previous rules, was 17 floors, just 17 floors. When the rules were adopted last year, the base height was reduced, but there was an ability to bonus up to 33 floors. So the base height was reduced to 12 floors, and I say 33 floors as the maximum and that is only up on the northern most part of the site. The southern most part of the site is 12 stories that graduates to 15 which graduates to 25 and then you get to the 33 floors as you go from south to north. And that's only with bonuses. Yeah, and guys, yes, I'm sorry to interrupt, but if we want some clarifications, please ask what's on the record. Sure. We'll let the city attorney address the police. Just so the public can hear some sidebar conversations. I just want the people to hear what we're discussing. Thank you. Understood, so sorry about that mayor. The, so what I was saying was that from sunset drive as you move up on the property to the north, the heights of the buildings go up the more, the closer to the U.S. 1, the buildings are. The open space, under the previous code, the requirement was 10%, which equates to approximately 44,000 square feet of a requirement for open space. Under the code, this commission adopted last year that was increased to 15%, and that comes out to approximately 66,000 square feet of open space. In terms of what has been proposed, it is more than double what the requirement is. They are proposing approximately 33.5%, which is a 147,000 square feet of open space. And then in terms of the lot coverage, the lot coverage allowed under the previous code was 90%. That's about close to 400,000 square feet. The under the current code, the one that was adopted last year, it was 80%. So that was reduced. That would allow total lot coverage about 350,000 square feet. And then the, the, what is before you the proposal is approximately 66.5% lot coverage so it's under 292,000 square feet so it's been reduced. Okay questions as to context process. Mr. Kaye and I wanted to be recognized. You're good? Okay. If you've seen over the questions Mr. Chair, if you can now walk us through, yes, thank you. If you can walk us through the changes to the development agreement between, it's last reading and the present one. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. You all have a supplemental memorandum. And for the benefit of people in the public here for the first time, if you can explain the requirement and the purpose of a development agreement. Very briefly. Sure. A development agreement is intended to provide for the long term development of a site. It is a requirement of our code and it is allowed by Florida Statute. So this applicant has sought a development agreement as required under the code and under the statute. And it basically sets forth the additional ground rules in addition to the land development regulations for developing the property. So that's what you have before you. And this was considered by this commission on October 1st since that time based on commission direction. There were several revisions that were made to the agreement. That agreement has been distributed to you all. And there was a supplemental memorandum which described what the changes were. So the first is that, actually, yeah. There has been language added regarding dedication on Sunset 58th Avenue. Any dedication that may be required. There are provisions regarding a minimum development threshold that was clarified. Just to recap, the development threshold is a requirement that they build at least a minimum of 200 units, 30,000 square feet of retail and commit a certain amount of money to the project in terms of improvements agreement and terminate the site plan. If they haven't gotten to that level of development, there's also a six-year mark where they start paying parks impact fee contributions. So there's some financial impact to not moving forward. In addition, the applicability of the- Sorry Mr. Attorney, let me just, for the benefit of the public and my own, since we discussed this at length. If those thresholds are not met in year six, they pay- They pay- The park impact fees they would have otherwise been obligated to pay? Correct. Over a term of year? Correct, they start playing a quarter million dollars a year. Okay. And if they if they've not met the $250 million dollar threshold. Yes. And or the program whichever I'm assuming is greater. Yes. Okay. And completed the public improvement at a 10 year mark. The ten which is the sidewalks, the public plaza. Right. The sub division improvements we can terminate and all their rights are rescinded. That's correct. Okay. That's correct. That's correct. That's correct. We have a question by the vice mayor. What does that mean? What is all of their rights? Everything in this agreement and their site plan and basically they have to start again. They have to start again. Okay. Yeah, the idea is that they execute. Okay. And this $200 million in improvements what is that equal in tax dollars? It's probably north of two and a half million dollars rough numbers. So then if by that time they have invested that then we're seeing that we should start seeing your ten two and a half million dollars of recurring revenue that's you know again we we're we've tried to move this project along the goal here is we've we've re we've reallocated density, right? Reducing intensity is more height. In exchange for those concessions, they're agreeing to move a program along, so we can start to the benefit of it. Everybody asks if they want to go enjoy sense of place. They want that to happen sooner rather than later. So this has been the negotiated resolution of that request is a 10-year drop dead day. They lose their rights. Okay. Okay, so some additional revisions that were made. There was a 65% of the frontages on any streets were required to be active uses that has been fleshed out so that there are active uses along all of the internal streets, all the public rights away and the public plaza. The extent of the sidewalks that are to be constructed as part of the first phase of development, this is the first phase that we've just been discussing, that has been fleshed out. It was originally at the first hearing, it was a minimum of six feet. That has actually been expanded to basically be all of the sidewalks. And there's an exhibit F that has been submitted to the clerk that contains all of that information. And the sidewalks range roughly from about 20 feet deep to six feet deep where there are parking areas. But in a lot of it is in the 15 to 20 feet deep to six feet deep where there are parking areas. But a lot of it is in the 15 to 20 feet with... Yes, Madam Vice-Morning, I recognize that. So that we bring everybody along on the ride with us. The reasoning that you had for the sidewalks and the right of ways and everything being done on the first phase. And all of that happening was that it solidified. Yeah, it's a commitment by the developer to execute the plan as presented so that this community's not renegotiating with them every so many years about what's going to happen on the site. We have some through their investment of probably north of $25 to $30 million, they are affirmatively committing to executing the plan that's being presented this evening. Okay, so then essentially in doing that, we're saying hey, all of these buildings, the footprint is this, the streets exist, the parking exists. So if the building takes 15 years to build in the second phase, we can at least walk through the property, have access to it, and what would be the typical proposed improvements to that subdued. And then obviously in doing that, we're saying all of this already is complying with the zoning that is in place. Correct. We still have to go through a review process for each building, correct? Correct. That's the right journey. Yes. each building correct the right turning yes administrative I'm doing this for the benefit of all of us appreciate it Not everybody was sitting here last time sure so so I just have a few more and then I'll get out of Your way the the public plaza area has been the The size of the public plaza area was always going to be about 17,000 square feet They have committed in that first phase to build out 15, to be about 17,000 square feet. They have committed in that first phase to build out 15,000 of that 17,000 square feet. The reason for the differences is that they have to make it integrate with the buildings that they build around it. The commitments, they have made certain commitments regarding activating the area around the public plaza. That is from the time that it is built to the time that it is that their construction finally proceeds around it. They have committed to certain temporary installations and I'll go into those in a moment. The number of palms was a topic of discussion last hearing. The original number was that 45% of the trees would be palm trees. That has been reduced to 20% of the trees. That is far less than what is allowed under the code. The there's been a new section added regarding local opportunities. That has to do with local employment opportunities, including job fairs and, you know, ability for residents to apply for work during construction during the retail phase, and then also for local businesses to participate in the retail opportunities that will be constructed on the site. Just a few more. There's a provision that has been added to keep open the possibility of a structural tie-in between the signature tower at the corner of US1 and red. And a future pedestrian bridge should this commission determine that that's a good idea and then and move forward with with that. So there's a possibility for integration of that. Basically the pedestrian bridge would connect to that building. The there's a provision extending any unique technologies that they employ within the site out to sunset drive. That was a discussion last time. There's also, I think the vice mayor has a question, but what that means, English. Yes. Well, I had the same thought. Yeah, so any kind of like interactivity, he asks, Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi, the Wi-Fi public Wi-Fi the word you know sustainability concepts that are brought in into the public realm that that be extended out to sunset drive the That's what does that explain that? So if they do something on their private property, we're asking them to extend it out to the public property? We're just making, what we're asking them to do is make it cohesive with sunset drive. So if you have something neat in there, like technology-wise, that you extend it. So if you have free Wi-Fi within to have that come out to sunset drive. Are you serious right now? I am. Okay, come. That would be nice to ask them, but they agree. They agree. They agree to do it. Oh Jesus, you know what? Strong army. They agree to do it. Yeah, I would agree to do it too, if you were holding my feet to the fire. Yeah, no. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. All right. They have subject to FDOT approval. They have agreed to make crosswalk enhancements. Basically, so they had previously agreed for a connection point between 58th Avenue and the internal part of the site so that people don't have to walk around the entire partner rush. There's, you know, to the extent that FDOT will allow any kind of crosswalk enhancements so that people coming for the metriole can get to the site. And then there's been a clarification as to the tolling and extension of permits. That was a legal issue. They were, they under state law, they're allowed to to toll and extend certain permits. They have, the agreement is that any of these deadlines for the development thresholds, the six-year mark and a ten-year mark are not subject to any of that tolling. Okay, last part of this. This is clarification. So those were the changes that were in here. There have been some additional, I guess, late changes. I just want to bring those up for the record. First of all, exhibit A, which is a legal description, has been submitted to the clerk to be part of this and exhibit F, which is all of those streets and rights away, the sidewalk widths, all of the public open spaces. That description has also been submitted into the record, and then there are a few minor changes, or four of them, okay. First of all, the definition of active uses, which is section three of the agreement, page three, in your red lines. That definition, just so that the record is clear is right now it reads and It's it's a use that attracts pedestrian activity provides access to the general public and conceals uses design for parking and or other non-habitable spaces if present and what's been added to that is comma including through the use of art panels or art walls on Fasad's facing us one the idea is is that the one tower on US1 and Red Road will have some parking. Most of the rest of the site does not have any parking integrated into the buildings. It's all at the parking garage. So that one building will have some parking in order to make the parking circulation work, they've asked that on US one that they be allowed to do art facades as opposed to habitable spaces. So that's one change. The next one, section 4B and that's on page 7. That has to do with the development threshold. The development threshold in terms of the monetary commitment to the site has been increased from 200 million to 250 million minimum and then they would have to they can yeah it's $250 million. Okay the next one section 5G on page 15 which deals with interim uses the interim periods between construction. There were provisions there. I had mentioned them earlier regarding activating the use of the plaza around when it's an interim condition. And they have the last sentence of that section, which says, until such time as construction commences in the areas around the public plaza, the developer shall comply with the temporary activation plan. That's the new language. And any period of noncompliance exceeding 60 days shall be deemed a repeat violation and subject to fines accordingly. That's the language that has been added. Do you want to explain that to the benefit of the board and the public? Certainly. So this whole provision deals with the public plaza and how it's going to be activated until the permanent buildings are constructed. So there will be temporary activations. They include temporary or permanent structures, any kind of code compliant vending units basically to allow for some period where and it could be a lengthy period where there are uses around this public plaza that are not necessarily the permanent full-time uses. This is, let me help, I think for the benefit of the public. What we're trying to avoid here is a repeat of some history that some of you may be familiar with. I recall the day when bakery center was open and the northern part of the property that was supposed to be improved with two 25 story buildings never got built. And we had an asphalt parking lot at that condition for a very long time until sunset place was built. We're trying to avoid that site being used as just being construction-fenced, indefinitely, or some other use that does not provide a very nice gateway into South Miami. So these interim uses of this activation plan that this modified section is requiring is intended to create some activity on that very focal point at the entrance to South Miami and the developer to his credit has graciously agreed to agree to this modification. So that's the intent of the modification. Thank you, Mayor. And then we have a question, Mr. Leven. You did? I'll wait. Okay. Okay. And then one last change just for the record on page 25, that section 10a. This is what happens if there's, if they are in noncompliance. It refers to section 2-25 of the city code. We're going to just clarify what the monetary penalty is. And that's the maximum statutory penalty of $500 a day. Again, that ties back to the last item. Yes, it ties back to the last item where if they haven't put in those temporary supporting uses for longer than 60 days, that $500 becomes a thousand dollars a day. Thank you. Is that it, Mr. Secretary? That's eight mayor. Okay, thank you. I'm sure Leibniz recognized. Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I have a question for city attorneys. And then a question for you mayor in the commission in terms of maybe mixing up procedure. So my question for the city attorney is one of my concerns, which I know we discussed in the previous meeting regarding the developer agreement is disruption of current business because as we know, we can certainly disrupt the businesses which are currently struggling on Sunset Drive. So what I one of my concerns I'd like to see the building raised from US one towards Sunset Drive to use that existing structure as a wall and then one thing that didn't happen with the next use market project the windix year fresh market project is not so much smaller site I'd like to see the site sprayed we discussed this in some previous meeting to try to minimize the amount of the amount of dust which will disrupt visitors toward commercial area as well as businesses themselves a lot of outdoor dining there. So this is about a construction period. Yes. Requirements. OK. And then my question for the mayor and the commission is I know this may not be traditional, but there's a lot of people here for public comments. Maybe we could start with the presentation from Mr. Heather with. I think we are. I want to get to the exciting part. So I know we're filling everyone with a contract. I apologize. Further questions? Yes, sir. You're recognized. Mr. City attorney, if it. When you just spoke about the failure of performance and it reflects. Per the code to the code, right? Per the document to the code. So we wanted to modify that. We just need to modify that legislatively. So yeah, we're going to be limited sector tour. Yeah, that's right. We can't. Yes, we're, I think we are at the statutory maximum or a first violation and a repeat violation. So whatever modification we want to make into the code, probably will only be down. Just if we want to go correct, we can go below the state statutory maximum. Which we're at today. Correct? Yes. It's 500 and 1,000. We can't go below that number. Or above that number. We can go below that number. We cannot go above that number. Correct. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further questions. Okay. Can we keep the comment after the presentation? Okay. We'll do that. So Mr. Reparis shows yours. Thank you. He's got a binder. Yeah, it started to spoil you. I'll keep you waiting for Mr. Heatherwood for a second. So my name is Richard Perez with offices at 5701 Sunset Drive South Miami, Florida. I am I work with midtown development. I'm joined by a number of people too many to to properly acknowledge, but in the audience is Alex Vida, a principal of midtown development and of course Mr. Thomas mid-john development, and of course, Mr. Thomas Heatherwick, of Heatherwick, Sudea's who you'll hear from in a few minutes. Today culminates four years of a lot of really hard work to reimagine both sunset place and the future of downtown South Miami. We are far from the end, but this is a very, very important milestone for all of us and we think for the city. When we close on the property in December of 2020, if we could call, it was in the middle of the COVID era. And Alex and I and a couple other people set outside on tables and sunset drive. And we looked around and we took in what we had inherited. The legacy of Holsen Bakery, the failure of the Bakery Center, the initial popularity and the ultimate demise of Sunset Place, the struggles of downtown South Miami, and two controversial and unsuccessful efforts to reimagine Sunset Place. But at the same time, we inherited a property that is intertwined with the DNA of all of us that grew up in Central Miami-D County. Grabbing late night drinks at parallel bar, Dan Marinos walking under that fake banion tree, trying to avoid that fake lightning as we try to get our kids into Rainforest Cafe. Going up to Barnes and Noble and Reading magazines without paying for them, sitting in the back of the AMC movie theater with your significant other. This is the reason why I left my job to go work with Alex because this project is so meaningful to all of us that grew up here. It's meaningful to Alex. And I know it's meaningful to everybody in this room and to everybody on the day. But as we sat around that table that night, we knew that to succeed, we couldn't follow the same path that had led to failure after failure. We needed to knock down the mall and start fresh, start new, knock everything down, except of course the parking garage, which I know a lot of people would want us to knock down as well. But the previous attempts to rezone this parcel was just adding lipstick to the proverbial pig, right? They were keeping the regional mall and they were just adding a couple of high rises at the end. And why did they do that, right? Why would they try to repeat the same failure? It's because the task to unlock sunset police was nearly impossible And we were about to go where no right sane human being would go We needed to renegotiate dozens and dozens of leases with big companies with armies of lawyers, right? And it was just, you know, Alex, me, and a, and you go over there. We needed to negotiate with dozens of owners holding 40 condo units that were inexplicably added along Sunset Drive, 40 owners that we needed to negotiate to get those condoms. We needed to depopulate a regional mall and absorb millions of dollars in loss revenue, and we needed a partner with the city that historically had been very much against growth. Frankly, as we started this process, we thought that the toughest thing would be to forge a new political consensus with our local partners, you guys. But we were wrong. Together we found common ground, a clear consensus about what went wrong with sunset place and what had gone wrong with downtown South Miami. And as we all talk, three points of consensus emerged. Open the project, incorporate the existing street network, consensus point number one. The project requires real streets and cannot close itself off to its neighbors. It must form part of the community and can't stand apart from that community. And as I was reading a couple of the Herald articles that came out, there was a quote from Beth Dunlap who was the Harold architecture critic about the bakery center. And I just like to share it with you because it's incredible. She said, it will probably be a popular and profitable place. She got that part wrong. But it will always be an inward turning island within a city, not an integral vital part of the city. That's what she said about big green centers. She was spot on. We agreed with her. We couldn't repeat that to speak, and we all agreed to that point. Since the second consensus point was, we had to create a neighborhood, not a regional mall, right? This location doesn't work as a regional mall. Twice proven, it doesn't work. It's an inward looking retail project does very little for the community, except drive traffic. That's what it does really, really well. But it takes strong political self-confidence to admit mistakes, right? And again, that Harold article, and the comments from X-Mayor Stoddard, I think we're right on point. He said, he noted that South Miami failed to build dense new residential buildings, abutting low-scale commercial centers, and failed to make streets and sidewalks more appealing at the pedestrian friendly. And here's his quote in that Harold Argel. Quote, South Miami did not do that, and we're suffering the consequences. We gave, we've got a lovely downtown but we have a basic problem and that is we don't have enough boots and wallets on the street. We agreed. That was a consensus point amongst all of us including the expolitable leadership of this town. The third point of consensus was activate red road and respect sunset drive. The project, the existing project inexplicably turned its back on red road. It simply invited no one from anywhere around to cross the street and come to South Miami. The previous, again, as we said, the previously approved red development plan repeated repeated this same mistake keeping a big portion of the existing buildings along the bird road and how anybody could look at the largest and most visible frontage of a project and make it tumble weeds is beyond anybody's real sense of logic or what you would do with this project and so you made it clear to us activate red road but at the same time sunset drive needed to be the least dense part of the project and respect the overall charm and character of the historic street. Again, we agreed with that consensus. In November of last year, we took this new political consensus that we all met here, room full of people, and together we drafted a new zoning code. And as I've mentioned to you, we always viewed that as the canvas for sunset place. And this new canvas created incentives and bonuses for us to come back with a plan. And that's what we're here today. And what were what were the bonuses incentives? They were bonuses incentives to open up the project so that it faced outward, move it from a regional mall to a neighborhood by trading the retail square footage, we drove traffic and deep that up for residential square footage. And it encouraged activation a long red road while pushing density from sunset place. And so now with that, long introduction, I want to introduce Mr. Heather Wick to walk you through how that canvas that we sat here in November of last year has materialized into the initial site plan that he has put together from us. And from the first day that we met with Thomas and his wonderful team, we knew that they were the right fit for this project and the right person for this project, and the right person to bring kind of our collective vision to reality. We are honored and frankly grateful to have Mr. Heather here with us. And with that, Mr. Heather, would you like to give us some thoughts on the function? Members of the public commissioners, Mayor, it's a great privilege to be able to stand here and on behalf of the design team share our thinking that we've had the great chance to put our minds to and represent the collaboration that has been this bigger conversation. We recognise that this is a significant major development by any standards and the context in our minds when we started work on this was that there's hardly any mixed development that we have seen in the world, which is a whole district, not as an individual building, not not per house, not not gallery, but where you go along and can actually say this is characterful. So often new places, the words that get used are repeatedly again and again sterile, characterless, soulless. And to us that is the massive challenge and opportunity that if we can find the way to do that here, we will not only do something really meaningful here, but kind of try to show the sort of sincerity of our efforts, I thought I would just start by showing a couple of projects that we've worked on before where to show what responsibility it is and an honour to be asked to make a public place. And we don't take that lightly at all. Our studio is based in Kings Cross in London which is relatively central and it's all based around not thinking of ourselves as theorists or anything. It's based around a workshop and a belief in trying to think about emotions and what really motivates people to want to be somewhere at all. And we've had the chance over the last 30 years of the studio's history since I started it as a graduate and I didn't know who to work for because it felt like there were very established ways that people did architecture and it felt that there was very established ways that people did architecture and it felt that there was a great gap and so our work has ranged from the smallest scale. You'll see a very strange looking bridge in the bottom left corner that rolled up into a ball which is a very boring bridge otherwise but when it opens it has character to the Olympic flame for the London 2012 Games, Google's headquarters in California to the in the middle on the right. But at the heart of it has been trying to think about human experience. At whatever scale we experienced that, we finished a district in Tokyo just before Christmas and last year and I just wanted to share it. It's right in the centre, it's right near the Tokyo Tower and some of the things that we are thinking about and that matter in this project, mattered in this project in Tokyo and though it's very, very different context, there was a site which was approximately 30, 40 acres, and it was where the old post office for the city, the main post office of the city was based, and there was agreement from all the owners who were on the site of the existing buildings to be part of the development, and he's had taken 27 years for the developers to bring everyone together and gradually sort of make a vision and agreement with everybody. And our job was to make the place that people might want to actually be. And at the heart of that were three towers, one of which was the tallest tower in the whole of Japan. Which we didn't design. We designed the whole of the rest of the public realm. And the business model was that that tower, the enormous tower, was what would fund the making of place. And I think at the heart of the conversation today is how do we actually make meaningful places? Not how do we make buildings? And the thinking that drove our response on that project was really noticing how the City of Tokyo has hardly any parks and we were convinced that nature must play a key part in that but we also needed to make housing, school, a new temple, we needed to make shopping spaces, working spaces so our idea really grew from looking at the idea of a pergola structure, and I love pergola structures where plants grow through them. And that led to us, but they are based on a rational square grid. So that led to us developing a scheme that was a gigantic pergola, so three-dimensionalizing that so that it could be landscape as well as building and so it could make accessibility so you could walk up onto that landscape. In this image here on the left there is the staircase up to a historic shrine that's right next to our site. And here you can see some of the smaller parts of the project, which you can walk on the on and through. And the heart of the project is making human scale detail, not gigantic scale detail, actually small elements of fascination and surprise. That pergola begins just at the back of this image is actually the beginning of the whole pergola structure of the whole district, which is where you arrive from the subway and you see that and the whole project grows up and out from that basement level beginning of the project. But the project equally encompass furniture. How do we make benches and small scale details that will connect with people and give love where you so often don't get it, particularly on big projects. Even if it's nooks and crannies is a word that we might hear us use a few times on this project over the years coming forward. It's really important to make a landscape that is a playful landscape and not just for wedging me in the corner of it, but making places that we are all children inside and so many new projects do not build joy into themselves. So we know that the opportunity here at Sunset Place is to make somewhere that you can explore and make discoveries and feel protected from the elements, but most of all, how do we make something that is human scale? But it's also full of life. And that's the interesting thing that we are fascinated with. And this project has many different elements. I've just shown you the food hall, which had extraordinary craftsmanship to make the roofs of this work with this fan vaulting, which only Japanese craftsmanship, which is quite formidable, could do. We also made performance spaces where you can have theatre and dance or fashion shows as well as local markets. There's also a school for a thousand children at the heart of the project. To the right is the biggest tower in Japan and the coexistence of very human scale school right next to the tallest building in Japan seemed to teach us that you really can layer up a place and that the best places are full of discovery and surprise. And the play areas for the children are raised up. And even though it's the huge tower, you kind of don't notice it. Your eyes are on the human scale. And that's really what I want to talk about sunset place. But first, I thought I'd just show. Sir Heather, can I ask you a question? Before you continue, by me, we all have a couple of residents that are landscape architects, architects. One of them shared an article. I'm not sure if everyone got it for the Guardian. And it was actually a very pointed criticism of that last project, which I find to be striking aesthetically. And I think the Guardian article described that it is neighborhood crushing. And so I just wanted to, I don't really how the opportunity to talk to you about it. So I figured I would ask you, what did you make of that criticism in terms of, with respect to that project? Because I get the opposite in question, looking at the images. Every other article doesn't say that. That one particular journalist is particularly, read all his other articles about us. But do go to the most important things to go there in just a small space. It's phenomenally successful in Tokyo. That's what I was going to ask. It's something that's accepted well by the neighbourhoods. What's my follow-up question? Yeah. Well, the thing with Tokyo is that it doesn't have one district with just all the tall buildings, one district with the short lower things, like London does. Instead, it's much more mixed and that makes the potential that we saw within it was to layer up both the new temple that's there, the old shrine, the new temple that we would build into our developments, so you get many things coexisting. So look at the 19th century of other things. Sorry to thank you all for that. Thank you. I was just curious to get you a few. Thank you. I'm just trying to thank you all in that that aggression, but I'm just curious to get you to get your perspective. Sure, please. By the way, Mr. Heatherwick, I was expecting to arrive with the guitar because a couple weeks ago, I told everyone that we were expecting a rock star today. And to that point, we're looking at Little Island in New York. You also designed the vessel, one of the most iconic structures in the US, designed Google campus. So these two projects, sorry, Little Island and the vessel are public projects. Google is essentially all private office or campus. Would sunset place be your first private project for public use in the United States? Close to it? Yeah, I mean the Scalds. The Golden Yards is a private project for public use. Okay. It's actually sort of a new piece of land that was created by a developer there. Okay. Yeah, this what we're really excited about. So the one of two in the US, right here in South Miami. Yeah, Very exciting. The Google building does have the ability to walk, but there was to walk through it. So there's a public route through one of the four buildings. But in fact, security has become so intense in recent years that it's unfortunate it isn't open. But our passion is driven by public facing projects. And in big part, because when I was growing up, one main thing I experienced was that private realms, you went to a rich person's house, surprise, surprise, it's really nice. And you'd go inside an art gallery, it's really nice, an opera house, it's really nice. But why was the bus shelter, why was the bus itself, why was the hospital, why were the bits we shared as society more broadly, why were they so bad? And so in our projects take years to do, so you kind of, we're working all sorts of things gradually, but it's, I learned that the reason public projects, facing projects, are so bad is because they're so hard to do. And so it means you have to work harder, you know, it's like sort of smashing your head against a wall, but it seemed, but eventually it's so much more satisfying if you can make improvement in a place that we share together. So, and after COVID, the fabric of society feels more needed than ever when we've been, so many people have been isolated where digital technologies have meant that you can lie in bed and get a PhD, you can dole your shopping from bed, you can work from home, and we know that online people can be pretty toxic to each other as well. So where do we see each other? It's when we get out of our car and actually see the broad range of all of us and surprise, surprise, people tend to be civility breaks out a bit more when we're just with each other. So I think public life is a beautiful but precious and endangered thing and so for me an opportunity like this at sunset place is very precious socially, and we talk about fabric of society, but where is it if we're all just in our cars all the time, and if we're at home and online and scared of each other all the time. So trying to make a public realm that will feel safe, and in New York, the Little Island was really important to try and make somewhere that people would feel safe. We weren't actually asked to do this originally it was a competition for a structure that would be on a remade pier that would be which wouldn't really be a pier it was going to be an enlarged bit of the West Side Highway in New York and they were going to spend all this money on this peer structure that you wouldn't feel. And we proposed that we didn't bother making a separate iconic thing, but instead spent the money that would otherwise be spent and get more emotion for every visitor by pushing it out into the river and making it this special feeling place with a threshold so you feel you arrive into somewhere. And so this project really was came out. We presented it on the day of Hurricane Sandy so we ourselves got kind of marooned and flooded and stuck. But that showed the urgency of making a structure that could be resilient for centuries ahead. But it's a space that's free and open for everybody. And sits in the river, the gangplanks that go across to it were very much so that you build a theater and anticipation. And we mustn't underestimate that the public realm, I think, is an opportunity for theater and joy and it isn't just about selling stuff to people. And it certainly shouldn't just be about back doors and fire exits and so many iconic buildings. When you stand next to them, you're next to fire exits and you're next to them, your next to fire exits, and your next to dead facades. So what we're really interested in is how you connect with people and make places that are engaging and fascinating, and the part of the reason we made this archway was so that people feel they're leaving behind the nine-lane highway and noisy New York and sort of are they going to a new island, a new place? I don't know, but the heart of it is also a performance space for 700 people looking out across to New Jersey which has been protected from not being able to be hired by Gucci or anyone like that. So it's really a kind of community for the city and and does festivals that have been funded for the next 20 years by philanthropists who really wants this project to connect with people and be a gift to the city. But I just the reason I chose to show this was that we're trying to learn about what you asked about the project in Japan other than that one biased journalist particularly on that. By the way, little island spectacular having been there multiple times. We are also interested to try and understand our project better. So we go back to them now and this was a social impact study that we did looking at what were our intentions and what actually happened. And asking, commissioning, appalling organization who then worked and spoke to the employees, spoke to the different visitors and to really understand which boroughs in New York were actually going there, was it really just people from Manhattan and how it really worked, what were the reasons for going there. Because we selfishly, we want to learn in order to be able to make even better places as we go forwards. So it's looking at perceptions and sentiments and it was largely reinforcing as well as a few surprises, the all the things we really wanted to do with the project. And finally before just talking about sunset place. I just wanted to show that normally, normally architecture and design firms do books about their own work. We recently published a book which is not about our own work but is about this problem which is that we've had dehumanised environments over the last 70, 80 years, particularly after the Second World War. And there's an enormous opportunity to make places that are more engaging. And that's led to the reason why I've got this funny thing here, which is the campaign, a humanised campaign that a group of us are leading that came out from this book, which was also speaking to neuroscientists, and trying to stop conversations about architecture being about style, style wars, either like modern square stuff or you like old-fashioned stuff, but it's much more complex than that of what our brains need to make places that are nutritious. And so we're on a journey of trying to discover that and understand that, which it's crazy that an industry as big as oil and gas globally has treated itself as an art that treated the public as if they are ignorant and they just don't understand, rather than being really interested in the notion of kind of servant designorship in a ways that our job is to design a place that serves the public. And so there's a whole lot of things that are there and to us sunset place is the most incredible chance and there is as far as we can tell, the most committed clients that we could want to goal in that journey and really try to make somewhere that will be meaningful for people. So the brief really is to try to make it a new heart of South Miami that can be a landmark on Highway 1 and at the heart of it is the belief that real streets create a different kind of emotional engagement that a mile can't do. And after online retail it feels like the time of the mile is maybe at its end. And walkability is, I mean, we're coming from London. It's deeply shocking some of the environments that people live in in the US that we witness where you don't feel safe to walk. And that's shocking from a, yeah, I know with a little country, but how do we make the walkability with vehicle connectivity but prioritising people rather than cars? And at the same time making homes with great views. But there are a number of challenges that we have to see as the opportunities at the project. But the existing plan really feels like it was its own bubble and barely related to the surrounding area. And we do know that Highway 1 is loud and unfriendly, so we've got how do we place new buildings and how do we make accessible streets and walkability while also acknowledging that there is something you want to defend yourself from. The as Rick said earlier, the engagement with the red road is just not there and it feels token and it feels like this surrounding street grid is just ignored and then there's fake internal streets and second level retail that just doesn't work and it just doesn't feel like a real piece of city. So that's exciting to try and see whether we can judo that the other way into something that can be meaningful for people. So we started work with Alex and the team at Midtown two and a half years ago, but at that point, Midtown didn't own the whole site. So we were going on journey studying things and trying our best to look at all sorts of different options But it was really a game changer when it was possible to get the The main the other main bit of the site to facilitate some more comprehensive bigger scale thinking While retaining the car park and retaining the car park in big park because there still needs to be car parking provision, but it's also so much carbon embodied in all that concrete to support the hundreds of cars. It seems mad to knock it down and build another structure to support hundreds and hundreds of cars. So the route of it is just saying let's not mess around, let's make real streets. Real streets of differing widths with different materials, different scales, different atmospheres and with a sense of discovery because the places that we tend to love have variety. Just as we talk about biodiversity in nature, it's like how can we create a street scape diversity that feels like you can always see something new? And we've got a critical mass, we've got a big enough project that it should be possible to make somewhere with fascination. And that's fascination is the thing that I get pissed off when I go to new places and you just Quickly bored and you know it looks good in a postcard, but it isn't Actually a great place to walk around we would rather that we're the other way round No offense, but that maybe we don't look so good in a postcard, but we're brilliant place to be But we'll try to make it look good in the postcard as well. Don't worry so we have our site and the scale of it of this 900 feet, it's a big piece of property and so it then comes down to human perception and there's a really great urbanist called Jan Gell who's really one of the lone voices who really thinks about feelings when you're in a place and how you feel what are the distances where you can smell and touch what are the distances where you can still see clearly what's around but equally what's what's the limit where you stop feeling that you can take in your surroundings and feel intimate with that and that's approximately 300 foot. So if you take our over 900 foot site and take that 300 foot as the sort of limit of scale where you start to lose the humanness, we end up with three divisions to the site, which kind of lines up with the street grid that we have there. So if we look at the surrounding streets that we have around and think, well, rather than being a dead bit at the end of the surrounding streets, whether that's Highway 1 or Red Road or Sunset Drive, why don't we build into that? I mean one of the things I know that was a question in the last hearing that happened was about well why is there a main public space on Sunset Drive? And the reason we think it's not the right thing to do is because we think that it's really important to keep the intimacy of Sunset Drive and that if we bust it open with a big plaza on the side of it, we'll actually lose energy. And so we need to have energy on Sunset Drive, but also Sun keep to have energy on sunset drive, but also sunset to have energy within the development to pull people through and make those streets feel energised and genuine. So we're looking at that we should have a public space just here on the corner of the car park lining up with the street that comes straight into Sunset Drive. So the red is a vehicle route, but then equally how do we take people through to the most hostiles, I say, hostile, but the highway is a noisy, strong presence. We think it's important that we do make a public space there, but make it feel protected. And so we have this network of streets. So these are the vehicle streets. But then when we add through covered walkways, we start to get something that's much richer and it gives us the chance to have different scales of spaces. And it's so important that we have these different sizes because your feelings are different when you're in a street, when you're in a square, when you're in the equivalent of a paseo. And so our thinking really is to try to make the biggest range of atmospheres that we can create. And then also in conversation with the city, we've included a new cut through, which can again have its own atmosphere and character. So we start getting a richness that we think adds up to something that's getting the right kinds of variety, but also having a meaningful relationship with the surrounding streets. When we compare, I think key thing for us is the idea of active frontages. This is in red is marked out the current active frontages in the existing shopping mall sites. And our new plan is 70% more street frontage. And the places you want to go to are vibrant and they have stuff going on. And so we're really committed to trying to maximise the frontages and particularly on the external streets too which have particularly red road has been just dead and so that once you start integrating the landscaping that starts building into a rich story and we're really committed to that but a key part is that to really facilitate and make a development happen, there have to be enough people. But what as soon as you start saying having enough people and having many new people living on sites, you quickly start needing bigger buildings. And before you know it, streetscape gets squashed by big buildings. And so our, we think it's an innovation, is to decouple the vibrancy at the street from the buildings above. So our number one priority is how do we make streets that are interesting, engaging, and we think that's by not making them be part of the buildings above but in effect build a village of village scale buildings below but they are facilitated by buildings above that kind of don't touch them so the buildings above are like up on stilts so you get an air break between the two. So whatever you make the building above from, you don't have to make the retail units and shopping spaces and restaurant spaces and bar spaces and community spaces below, you don't have to make them from the same material. And you don't have to make them the same size as the building above. And you don't have to even align them with each other. It's like these are the giants stepping across and around them necessary to get the density at the street, but facilitating and kind of keeping out of the way of what's happening at the street. So in terms of the zoning constraints, as Rick and people were speaking about before we have the differing heights as we go north so we get a zoning envelope that we're building in that's stepping down to sunset drive which is the most intimate and human scale but we're determined to keep that human scale going through the whole project however much we're building taller massing above that. So this is just trying to talk about the sense of surprise, discovery, difference, diversity, experimenting. It means that you can have food trucks, you don't have to just have walls of glass. And I think we're all very used to big developments with walls of glass. The street bit is like the last bit, it's the leftover, the assumption that you just throw glass down there, chuck shops in and it will be fine. And the problem is you so often have shop units that are too big. And then because they're so big, it might be handy for the developer to let out very big shops. But the problem is that you then get only the familiar names. And we really want to have unfamiliar names. We want small units, which means they'll be more affordable, which means that more types of retailer, bar owner, restaurant cat sandwich, space, weird smoothie place, whatever it's going to be, can afford to be there. Also, doesn't have windows that are so big that they can't afford to change the windows because they're so big they can't afford it more than once every three months. This should be this should be an activator And that's really led to these images where at an early stage of what these the actual streetscape would be but these are trying to show our commitment and Demonstrate that what's above doesn't need to drive what's below. And so these are some of the cover, this is an image of a covered walkway going through. So where this street ignores the buildings above, it just goes through and the small scale architecture can be evolved and grown below. And our hope is that we'll work with many, many artists and collaborators to make that street come alive. And we really want somewhere that is full of imaginative things. And that really will depend on artists, children, theatre designers, our job really being to facilitate that kind of corner copier of diversity at street level. This is a view of the cut through next to the existing car park and where we really do want to squeeze it, you know, some of the best places I've ever been are small. They're not big. And we've got this giant car park, huge amount of concrete in it. So we want to take that, but we're not going to just leave it like this. We don't want to knock it down, but we know from our past experience with our projects, the one in the middle, or different things that exist around, that there's no reason that we need to knock it down. We can transform that car park and use creativity as a way to make it be an asset and part of the diversity of the development. And another part of this, so there are some wider pieces of street and it'll be, as you can see, the buildings above and what's below are disconnected. But it should also make some exciting spaces when you go up on the roofs and some of those spaces where you might be able to go and but you can in the different units, many of them we hope will be encouraging them to use their roots and get people up there, so it feels theatrical and engaging to be in. And wanted to talk about nature, some of our projects are super powered by the quantum of nature that we put into them. And Miami you've got such amazing weather for growing things and the banyan trees that you have. We don't want to just resort to palm trees. We really do want to try to get a richness of planting and the soulful plants themselves, the in themselves, the sculptures. And we know that that counterbalance to the man-made designed things is just as critical to the success of the project. And so the heart of the project will be this larger square that's further in. We really want to, we're talking about how we can move some terrifyingly big trees or terrifyingly move some big trees using the amazing technologies that can exist. And if the Victorians can do it, why couldn't we? So we are determined to make this whole project be based around people and the residential is necessary to superactivate the place and the final thing I was just going to say was that the reason that we know we need this density is because otherwise you can't sustain a vibrant place and One of the things in our conversations that was saying is the reason there isn't the vibe that this sign that there isn't the vibrancy here is the just Which was an interesting one for us was dogs that there aren't enough dogs and that if there are dogs, that would be a sign that there are enough people. And the example it was used was that there's a business called 911 poo. And the fact that there isn't 911 poo needed means there aren't enough dogs, which means there aren't enough people. And we need a company like 911 poo. I have no interest in 911 poo. But at the point point being that success will be that we have that diversity, including animal life, not just plant life. So thank you very much. I'm going to use the list of folks who signed in before. So again, starting with Pierre Assex, please come forward. Sorry. Sorry. There's going to be a lot of people speaking this. Yes. Yes, sir. Sorry. There's going to be a lot of people speaking this. Yes, let's take it down to two minutes if we can. And we asked you to be as brief as possible in each of the time. Followed by Raymond Hernandez and Elvira Rodriguez. If you just want to line up at the podium, we'd appreciate it. Again, Pierre, you recognize, sir. Yes, thanks. What can I say? It's such a privilege to be here tonight. I mean, this presentation was blew my mind. I'm a long time resident of Coconut Grove, and I'm sort of jealous, to be honest with you guys. But I'm here actually to give you an idea of how Coconut Grove got, you know, it's lifeline. Two major things happen. how coconut growth got, you know, it's lifeline. Two major things happened. They created a space where people could come together, which is, you know, the revamped cocoa log, they revitalized it. And the second thing that happened, they added all those high-rise, beautiful high-rise towers on South Bayshore Drive, which got a lot of new investors to come down and invest and buy, and we have them coming from all over the country and even from abroad. So, and all of that made, you know, what Coconut Grove is today, and I think what Mr. Heatherwick is doing here, he's giving you the whole package. And it's a plus for South Miami. And I think it's a plus for Miami. I mean, this is, you have a world class architect in a studio that, you know know we've seen some of their previous works it's just mesmerizing and you know I would urge the board the commissioners the mayor to really consider this project it's a it's a world-class project and thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Police, if we can refrain from having any applause, let's get through all the comments. And if you want to wave your hands, we'll take that as a sign of support. Thank you, Mr. Alonzo for the suggestion. Raymond Hernandez, please come forward. And again, followed by Alvaro Rodriguez and I have Maurice. I can't read. Hey, Bix. Alvar. Raymond Hernandez, no one here. Okay, Alvaro Rodriguez, please come forward. Followed by Maurice Hey, Bix and then E.J. Martinez. Good evening. Commission Mayor. This is actually pretty exciting. I don't, I no longer live in South Miami, but I started my career. That's driven by purpose and design. I'm in the Porsche Automotive business. And to be part of, and seeing everything that's happening in South Miami, it's actually pretty inspiring. And thank you. And thank you guys for bringing this to town. I think for me it's very interesting how design and purpose impact and inspire others so I think we're all talking about experience we're talking about how this could get us involved and I actually think it's actually greater than that. It's how does it impact everybody else around it and what it inspires. So, you know, coming from a car show that was, we rented a parking lot in first bank for 500 bucks, 20 years ago, to having a pretty spectacular automotive business, again driven by the purpose of driving and design. It's pretty exciting. So for me, it's I'm looking forward to being part of it. Our event started here 10 years ago. Like I said, a couple couple hundred cars We have a thousand cars 15,000 people 300 million dollars in cars on the street It's it's pretty awesome to to see what's happening. So I'm excited to see and thank you. Thank you for the support Thank you for comments. Sorry, ma'am. Mr. Rodriguez. You did not mention your event DRT. It's a, that's what happened. DRT South Miami. DRT South Miami. Okay. And it's, again, it's a force event based on the rain, on the vehicles. And it's going to be a national event. And I think it's this is going to this landmark will create what I believe could be the home to a world class event not just in South Miami and in these codes but worldwide. Thank you for your comments sir. Again, please no applause. No applause please. Thank you. Marie Sabix please. Name an address for the record. Maurice Sabif and 6833 Varanese Street, Coral Gables, Florida, 33146. Thank you, sir. So thank you for your time. Thank you for considering this project. I'm a native Miami and I have many fond memories of the Bakery Center and then sunset place after. I live now just east of sunset place in southern Coral Gables with my wife and two sons and one of the things I think I Lament most or have lamented most about the last ten years. I've lived at where my home is now Is we don't go to sunset place much. And it's really a shame. It's such an amazing central location in the city of South Miami. And it looks, and it feels like a St. Augustine Spanish fortress. You walk around, you don't know what's in there. And I'm so excited to have seen this plan, which I think is fantastic, that it opens it up. And I'm just so excited to have a place that my sons, as they grow up, can go with their friends and go visit and enjoy the area and enjoy our neighborhood. So selfishly as your neighbor just to the east, I would love to see this come to fruition and really activate this area as we see all of South Miami and all of this part of Miami in general continue to grow. So thank you for considering the project and thank you for your time. Thank you for your comments. Again, no applause please. Mr. Martinez, you're recognized. Good evening. How are you guys? Great. Great. So, Ejiv Martinez, been a business owner here since 2005, Power Pizza and now Subbies. and I'm excited that this is finally moving yet concerned because I think we need to move and just build it because what everybody's experience is it's dark it's really dark and so I mean and I've been here for a long time we're doing great with Subbies because we're doing a lot but our other business I realize on traffic is not and if we keep I've been here for a long time. We're doing great with subbies because we're doing a lot. But our other business I realize on traffic is not. And if we keep, and everybody's moving fast, but if we keep kind of like not building this thing, there's not going to be anybody left. So I'm excited to listen to what your plans are. I think it's amazing. I thank you guys for finally making this happen, because I know it's not been easy. But anything that I can do to help to get this thing going, happy to do it, because we do need boots on the ground, as you said, and like Miss Fisher, she left. But I was going to talk to her and talk about the park. And it's the same thing. It's the same concept as nobody go into the park. It's the dogs aren't there, the people aren't there, the friendliness isn't there. Like if you remember Safmaimi way back in the day when Garners was here and there's people walking in Safmaimi and there was dog for 911 poop and there's nobody here. So, you know, thank you. I like some candy if possible, because I see you guys have candy. We're going to have, please take as much of you like. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your comments. No, but seriously, take some candy so we don't need anything. No, E.J. No candy for you. Salt and Albert, please come forward to Halloween pre-party up here. Yeah. Good evening, sir. Good evening sir. Good evening. My name is Sultan Al-Bark. I grew up at 6021 Southwest 88th Street that favorite strip of the commission in South Miami that you guys are trying to deal with. But you know I used to walk to Sunset Place as a kid and you know when you guys ran you ran on you know the platform and I heard my friends a lot of my friends that live in South Miami and I've been trying to come down here. But you guys ran on revitalizing the area. And every neighborhood anywhere in the world needs a heartbeat and soul. And sunset places that reference point. And this project, the team that's been assembled clearly has demonstrated that they're not only capable but committed to the project, not only that, but proximity to the transit zone right here with the subway metro and buses, it's gonna leave it a lot of the traffic, it's my personal belief. But furthermore, I think it's important that the community comes together and supports this project. Soph Miami is dead. There's no reason for me to come down here. I have no incentive to come down here. I'd have to draw. I'm a professional girl. I mean, of course, but I'm happy to see the commitment not only from the development side, the commission side, but also the community support. And I think this will be an exemplary project that will go beyond just South Miami I think will be just a real mark on Miami and put it on the pedestal where it belongs Thank you for commissar. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Hey next up Mr. Edboa's please Good evening mayor vice mayor commission, and everyone else gathered here. My name is Ed Boas. I'm a merchant in South Miami. And I've been through all of the other shopping centers, and I remember Wholesome Bakery. But I think that the developer and Mr. Heatherwick see something in South Miami that was invisible to the prior mall developers. They see that South Miami is and has been a community that folks love and want to come to. People want to live here. They want to raise their families here. Folks want to make this their community. They want our downtown to flourish, they want to be able to shop, to die, to go to the movies to play in their community. To accomplish that, we need people living in our downtown. We need, as the saying goes, feet on the street. In vision, South Miami, a few years in the future, when several thousand people live downtown, people strolling, meeting neighbors, and making our community a wonderful place to live and work, people will no longer drive through South Miami to go to other destinations. People will come to South Miami because we have so much to offer. Sunset shops will be transformational for South Miami. And we will enhance what we already know is a wonderful place to live. Thank you for your time and just one more thing. To everybody voting in November in the South Miami section of the mallet, referendum number three, a general obligation bond. Excuse me. Turn the phone on. Tell me. We appreciate it. We appreciate it. Yeah, we can't allow you to do that here. Thank you for the intention. Okay. Moving on with Moonsol. I apologize if I'm putting your name. Mr. Saul, S-A-L-L. Okay, we will move on. Ramon Fernandez, please come forward. I'm going to have to go to the office and put your name. Mr. Saul, S-A-L-L. Okay, we will move on. Ramon Fernandez, please come forward. Good evening. My name is Raymond Fernandez. I reside at 4920 Southwest 73rd Street. I am a native as well. I'm very excited about this project because I realize Heatherwick is a gift for Miami, which we need. He's bringing something with salt. This South Miami needs the salt to wake up again. And with his gift and the way I've seen his designs and bringing nature and humans together, I think is a wonderful thing that we need. We need a lot of, I like his book, name Humanize. And we need a lot of, like this book, name humanized and we need a lot of the human soul to be here present. We need people to get together and share and just experience each other because we're missing that in life. And it's South Miami and this project I think would be a wonderful thing for, for an example, for Miami, Florida and the world to see that Miami can. It has a big heart and it's a big gift to the world. I want to keep on raising my child here and I look forward to their product to be completed. So thank you very much. Thank you for your comments. Moving on to Mr. I think it's Jonathan Smith. Oh, sorry, John Edward Smith. Sorry. Could it read your handwriting? I'm having one of those days. I'm sorry. I'm going to eat you at the meeting here shortly. There. Actually, some people do call me John Edwards. So that's great too. They say third time is a charm. And sir, you're bringing us a lot of charm. And thanks to Alex, for your vision vision for you determination to bring this forward. I really appreciate that. I moved to South Miami in June of 1974 and have spent the better part of my life living and breathing South Miami. In 1982, I opened my marketing consulting business and had an office on Sunset Drive and the Sunset Professional Building. And I would go and make my copies in the Wholesome Office Building right down the street. So my familiarity with that property goes back some many, many years. Morty Margulies came in with a plan to redevelop the wholesome property, initially called South Park, but in deference to the property history, it was changed to Bakery Center, however the smell of baking bread has long gone. As the mayor had noted, it was to be two 25 story twin office towers a 13 story hotel in the center and a vibrant artsy retail and entertainment zone. A hanging cold removal was an interior centipede. Bakery sent to us the signal a new beginning for the city of South Miami coming out of the sleepy 1950s being lulled to sleep with the city of South Miami, coming out of the sleepy 1950s, being lulled to sleep with the smell of bread. It was the only stop on Metro Rail that had a built-in hometown. It was to generate new taxes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It didn't work, it failed. And there are never reasons for that. Financing in a lack of retail moral experience doomed the project. The AMC theaters with the most successful part of the project, and actually the AMC theaters in South Miami was the number one AMC theater in the United States. And so eventually there was a demolition number two. First, the wholesome property, second, the bakery center. In the interim, the city re-did their zoning no longer with a height limits eight stories. It was litigated, however the city prevailed. Up next was the shops at Sunset Place. With an expanded AMC theaters, Nike Town, FAO Schwartz, Virgin Records, IMAX Theater, it was not built to be a mall, but an entertainment complex with restaurants, retail, and a Barnes & Noble, even. Excuse me. But it was make-believe, like the Disney Main Streets with false facades of fake banion tree at the entrance and faux limestone faux streets faux everything it was it was I think the most realistic thing about Disney was if you drove through the parking garage when it was raining, it was like going through its small world with all the water. When Simon divested itself of the property, those retailers who were not in his stable pulled out and so it died in slow and exhausting death. A new vision was put forth, which included a hotel, apartment towers, and refusiting of the retail. It took a couple of years to finally get city approval, and then the property went on the market. But we have here before us, as I said, the third time is the charm. Experiencing the history of the property, the demolitions and street closures. I'm excitedly awaiting the redevelopment of Sons of Place. No more false façades. You can feel the textures. You can feel the human experience. No more turning your back to the rest of town. Through streets breathing life, like blood flowing through the arteries. It's an exciting time in South Miami and I congratulate you all for advancing it over the last couple of years and again to our developers and to the team from the pond. Over the pond. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you you your comments, sir. I have no one else to speak. Is there anyone else in the audience would like to come forward this time? Sir, please come forward. Please, if you just line up at the podium, which is your name and address of the record, please. Come up all at once, please. Thank you. Good evening. Good evening. Real quick, my name is George Ramos. 111-1-2-0. Southwest 128 Street. Miami, Florida. I'm not a... I don't live in South America. I got to get a booties enough time to be part of the... for South Miami, too. I'm the Chef Order of Sabahla rooftop. Vice City Pizza and hopefully in a couple of weeks, Barbada in the old top of craft location. Let me stop by saying that from all my locations, from Pinecrest, Corgables, on the Corgabra, they count. I have never experienced a city like you guys. So thank you. Sick managers, vice mayor, mayor. Reaching out every week, make sure we're doing okay. So for me and my family, we're very grateful. Thank you for your investment. One thing I hear every time I tell people that I'm coming to South Miami is, what are you doing? You're crazy. And it's a shame. It's a great neighborhood, great city. What do you guys think of this neighborhood, great city. What you get to know is great. For my future, for my family's future, I am very grateful to you guys. I'm grateful to what's in common. And I can't wait to be a part of it, sir. Thank you so much, okay? Thank you, George. Sorry, Mr. Mayor? Yes, sir. A George. So the quick question for you. You mentioned your live here, but you are a new investor. You're opening a restaurant. Tell us the name of the restaurant again. And when is it opening? So I restaurants barbana, it's named after my daughter. Whole Fitty will open next week. They never do retirement party for one of your members. With the impression poor, I get my permit. A week, week or two week. Hopefully, but we're close. We're almost there. And we're very excited. So again, we're very, very happy to be part of you guys. Thank you for everything. Again, thank you for your respite. Look forward to it. Sir, good evening. Hi. My name is Matt Childers. I do live in Coral Gables at 1330 San Remo, but I'm also a homeowner in South Miami. It's 6440 Southwest, 63rd Terrace. I've lived here for eight years before recently moving. If you ask urban economists how you revitalize the downtown, they'll tell you to do exactly the kind of thing that was just presented. And so I won't go, I won't list all the reasons why it would work because Mr. Heather worked very eloquently, described all of that. And urban planners will tell you to do also the exact type of thing that they're doing here. So I just urge you, please do this. The long term benefits are going to greatly outweigh maybe some of the short-term pains and annoyances from the construction and so forth. So thank you very much for your time. Please thank you for your comments and your brevity. Good evening. Good evening, Sarah. My name is Sandraina Lada. I live in 6501, my name is El Miami. Well, my husband and I have been living here almost 10 years. We decided to buy a house here because we wanted to live in a great city and to grow with other kids, you know, as a family. In a city where we have amazing services, amazing police department, great, great job from the city. And we were missing something very important for us to have that place to go as a family and for my kids maybe they cannot enjoy to be as a teenager in a place rather than to take them to Coco walk or to Mary Park or to any other place they will be enjoying in the city you know a great place. So maybe our kids they are not going to be because they are already teenagers but I hope for the rest of the families a lot of young people they are living they are moving to South Miami with that hope to have the family to grow the family here and to have everything in the city. So I hope that those families will have the, you know, the grateful part to have the place. And I would like to say thank you for the developers. Thank you for your project. This amazing is beautiful. And I would like to say thank you for all of you to push this amazing project to get, you know, reality in our city. And thank you for everything that you do. Thank you for coming. Hi, good evening. My name's Heather Freeland, 7611 Southwest 64th Court. Just want to know, is this the appropriate time to talk about the development agreement? Yes, it is, absolutely. OK. So just a little backstory, my family's own property in South Miami lived here for over 50 years. I'm the current homeowner of this address I mentioned. A couple of questions. Is this agreement transferable to a future developer or owner? Yes, the agreement is a covenant running with the land. So it's a contract and it does run. They could sell and not complete this project and... They could and that's part of the reason reason we have some of these thresholds. Okay so second question is about the threshold. If our goal is really to move this project forward to get the tax revenue to get the downtown going why is there a 10-year wait until we can cancel this contract. Ten years is a long time the only requirements are 200 units permitted not even completed within the 10-year mark that represents less than 13% of the proposed project and only 30,000 square feet which represents only 5% of the retail. So again, I ask you why is there a 10-year window where they only have to apply for a permit and not actually fulfill construction. Commissioner Fernandez, you mentioned that on year 10 we should recognize $2.5 million in tax revenue. I'd like to see it much sooner than that. Yeah, and so the rest of you just responded by saying we all want to see it. I think the developer is incentivized to see it. So I think we went back and forth. I think realistically when I talk to people and speak is asking about this project all the time. I think the earliest, any of us are going to get to enjoy a new remade space is if we're lucky, five years, if everything goes perfectly, right? Because they've got a... I'm going to cook a lot, go cook a lot, go cook a lot, go cook a lot. Yeah, but cook a lot. Yeah, but so again, I want to give you the facts as I understand them. So, and I think if the commission wants to weigh on this comment, you know, certainly it's an important question. So I think realistically, everything goes perfectly because between design, designing the construction documents, the permitting of those documents, the physical construction, the presales and leasing, necessarily the financing to build it, it takes some amount of time. We had I had asked initially for a six-year window they have by statute the development group is typically 30 year term. I certainly didn't want to wait till you're 20 or you're 30. We settled on 10 we settled on I think it's $250 million of investment or that program and that includes them having to deliver the entirety of the infrastructure, sidewalks, public plaza with any first phase, so that at least the basic elements are in place. So to give you a comparable community where they've actually been a significant investor in Midtown, it happened over time. Certain core elements were built, but the program of what was going to be built there was defined from the beginning. So the community is not guessing over time how it might change as someone else were to succeed them because they can't finish the development. Those are the trade-offs. It's not a perfect document, but from my perspective, again, and I want to get ahead of my comments, right now I think perfect is the enemy of good, and we've had over the years a push to be perfect and the result has been nothing. So I'm just hoping that we give them a green light with something that's responsible and hopefully the benefits flow much sooner than the worst case scenario in this document would be 10 years of inaction and a rescission of the document. Let's hope so. Thank you. Good evening. You're recognize, sir. Hello, good afternoon. Thank you guys for having me here. Thank you guys for having me here. Thank you guys for The hardwood you guys have put put in my name is Hesu Sao and we own a chocolate store on Red Road And we've been there for seven years and we've noticed that The foot traffic is very limited in fact people come into the store This year and I ask how long have you guys been here? When did this all been? Questions like this? And I believe it's because of the lack of foot traffic. And I would love for you guys to allow the creativity that the team is bringing to progress this project forward and build the new sunset place to instill the soul of the community again and have teenagers moving and interacting with each other again. Not just all digital because unfortunately for us our marketing has only been digital and only been and we would like to be able to interact more with humans and I think this project And the creativity will allow for that Thank you guys. Thank you for your comments. Have a question. What is the name of your shop? Say no more. Yeah, I'm amazing chocolate. I love your place. She brings a candy Thank you for your thank you for your thank you for the work you do the city of South Miami. I raised concerns at the prior meeting, I think that was October 1st. And I understand you all started out by saying that the parameters of this project are no longer up for question, the 1500 units, are no longer up for question, the 1,500 units residential and the 550,000 plus or minus square feet of business space. And my concern is how this is going to fit in. I realize that everyone has been speaking pro and in favor and I have some major concerns here about it and I'm wondering if this project is going to be fitting in or complying with what they call LEED certification leadership and energy and environmental design certification. And is that something that has been taken into account with regard to the proposed development? So, honestly, Attorney Vickhan confirmed, are they required to satisfy any sustainability criteria, pursuant to either the code or the development agreement. Yeah, the lead standards apply to every building over 50,000 square feet, which is every one of the major pads. And they have to be constructed to a minimum lead silver or equivalent certification. And then they have, there are bonuses available for. Exceed, exceeding those. Lead silver. That's correct. Which, if I could ask, which lead guidelines is that because there's versions 1, 2, 3, and I think it goes up to version 5. I mean, this is something that's going to be around for decades generations. It should be the most current lead certification, in my opinion. I think we all concur. So if it's not drafted that way, Mr. City Attorney, we would ask that the document be revised to reflect that. But the idea is that at Meet today's lead silver certification standard, if the product is being delivered to the market today. At minimum. Again, I forgive me, but I remain skeptical about this project I think it doesn't fit the parameters. It's too big. It's too ambitious There's a lot of it's it's not pleasant as a pedestrian I'm a pedestrian every day this city. Every single day I walk across US one and it's dangerous. The culture here is different than in other cities that are very walkable. And you're trying to create an island that is surrounded by, frankly, a situation. It's almost downright hostile to be between vehicles and pedestrians. If someone lives on the north side of US1, and is trying to get the whole of dudes, it's raw. And there is absolutely nothing that is 33 stories between coconut grove and a date land. Nothing. It's too big and it's too ambitious. And I'm here to state that point and I wonder if this is actually going to comply with lead certification. And I think it ought to. Thank you for your comments, sir. We appreciate it. Sir, you're recognized. Thank you for the opportunity. My name is Andrew Kernit. I've been a member of the Miami community since I moved down into Coconut Grove from New York City and hadn't with my family in 2017. I first hand got to witness the effect that Coco Walk had on my life. Having young children in Miami, having a vibrant community help to go to has completely revitalized our entire community, given us an agenda, a purpose, and truly just an energized community in which we now live. South Miami, to me, as now a Miami resident with seven years of tenure, so I hopefully have enough experience here to talk about it, has always seemed like the proverbial center of the donut. People are always talking about coral gables, they're always talking about coconut grove. Pinecrest is getting, you know, touted as having the most expensive homes in the area. Barry Sternleck's going on CMBC, talking about if I was a smart investor, I'd be buying up all of the homes and coral gables. I think that this is a legacy defining redevelopment here, and this will certainly propel South Miami and put it on the map where it's going to be at the forefront of what Emmy individual who is not from Miami thinks about when they first think about Miami and conceptualize it. In addition to that, it's quite obvious with how it's currently constructed that South Miami is in need of some sort of injection of livelihood, of a revitalization. I remember the days of bringing my kids to Splitsville to going downstairs at the young brella. I even bought a couple pictures from Z Gallery back in the day, completely admitted. But I don't really spend much time at sunset Plaza anymore and that's really terrible. This is an unbelievable opportunity. I feel that we are truly blessed to have a development team, an architectural team such as this. And hopefully the proverbial saying of the high tide rises all boats will apply here. And we'll get a little kick and cook in our growth too With you know this development as well. Thank you for your comments Mr. Alonzo who are you recognize against my better judgment? 50809 South West 64th place and 5975 Sunset Drive and I do like to thank the Vice Mayor and Chip for providing us some candy in the back for the people in the back. I really appreciate it. As the Vice Mayor walked and I walked 1500 homes back in 2022, every single comment was when the Sunset Place gonna be done. And we've had a fantastic team with Thomas Heatherwick and the Midtown Development Group that are going to do a phenomenal job and I can't wait to make some awesome memories with my grandkids and my and my children at the same time. So I'm going to make the vice mayor cry, right? In regards to some comments that were made crossing US one is actually really easy. And I think Steve Guyet and myself has crossed past multiple times while I cross US one. All you got to do is wait for the little white guy to turn white and you walk across the street and there's about 24 seconds to get across. Have a nice night. Thank you for your comments. So you recognize. Good evening. Good evening. I'm Michael Bond and I live at 431 Vila Bay Avenue in Coral Gables, which is about two miles away from here. I frequently go to this area a lot. I go to sports grill. I don't even know if it's open anymore, but I used to. Still open. Still open. We encourage you to go even though it's open anymore, but I used to. Still open. Still open. We encourage you to go in those in coregables. But I do. We order a lot of food from this area. So at least once or twice a week, I'm in the area. But I will say that in the past 10 or 15 years, I haven't stepped inside, sons have placed more than five times. I don't think in that bunker that's there. So, you know, I have two kids under nine. I grew up in the area, grew up in Corgi, it was in your math as an hammock. And you know, I would, as a child, I would go to sunset place a lot. So I'd love to have the opportunity to take my, you know, my kids there and my family there. And I appreciate the work that you're all doing. You know, and I'm really looking forward to this project. So hopefully, you know, thank you. Thank you for your comments. So you recognize, good evening. Good evening. My name is Andre Slern. I've been Florida native and lived in Miami for the last 19 years. I've seen all the neighborhoods emerge in Miami from Brickle to Wynnwood Design District. You've seen the revitalization of Coconut Grove. I think this is an incredible opportunity for South Miami, combining the development team with Heatherwood Studio. What they're proposing is different from all the other projects in Miami. My first job was here in Sunset Place and the only reason that would drive me here was coming to the movie theaters, but other than that, the mall doesn't really offer any connectivity. It's not really a fun place to come anymore compared to the other projects and other neighborhoods in Miami. And I think what they propose prioritizing connectivity, prioritizing play, I think that ultimately is what drives people to go and experience places and want to stay there as well. So I think what you guys are doing is great and really excited to see what it turns out to be. Thank you. Thank you for your comments, sir. Sir, Sheila, you're recognized, sir. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Andres Alcila. Officers at 6915 Red Road as of today for the last day. I actually moved to that space, which is considered coral gables eight years ago. When I moved there, I moved there, partly because of sunset plays. We like the ball and also the convenience of being able to use the garage, which we still use today. When I first moved there, when people would ask where's your office, I would say South Miami, over the last few years as things have sort of now gone very well for sunset plays, I referenced coral gables. So I've seen the history of sunset plays and what's happened throughout the last couple of years. But obviously we have a great development team. We have one of the best designers in the world, which also speaks to the commitment of the developer to bring the best to South Miami. So with that, I do believe in the vision that they brought forward and so today I got my new keys from my new office Which is officially in South Miami One of the historic buildings 50-A 75-Sons of Drive And I look forward to staying here as a local business owner in South Miami and seeing this project move forward. Thank you Welcome. Thank you in this, thank you on this. Yes, what, no, sorry, if you spoke in once before, we're gonna, I apologize, we're just short on time. It's, it's, I apologize, sir. Yes, ma'am, you're recognized, we come forward. On my, Hi, I am from Cogable's, Maria Toast. You're just very briefly, ma'am. I am not a merchant. I am not a restaurant owner. I'm a grandmother. That would love to have that place. For my grandchildren to go, because sons of place used to be the place we used to go. A long time ago. That's that. That's why the architect, I mean the architect, it's just amazing plan, amazing development. And I would love it to have the city to have it because we're so close and we would enjoy it. That's the city. Thank you very comments. Thank you for coming. Anyone else in the chamber who'd like to address items 15 and 16? Please come forward. Okay, so you know what in the chamber, Madam Clerk, is there anyone online? Anyone on Zoom please raise your hand. We have a motorbony. We have a wheelchair. Face me. Please raise your hand. We have a Laura Bonique. Please. You can unmute yourself. Guys, guys, guys, please. I want to get through this. OK, let's recognize Miss Laura Bonique. If you can unmute yourself and turn on your camera, please. You recognize? I am. But I cannot turn on the camera. It's disabled on your end. OK. So Laura Bonique, I'm a business owner at 5975 Sunset Drive. And I just want to give a big thanks to the commission, to Alex, to Rick, to residents such as Ramon Fernandez for standing up and really bringing vibrancy back to our community as someone who weekly frequents anything from Beletsa to Bumshaan, T sunset, Tavern, Muzee, and of course, Levaine Vanita. And doing a lot of business there, I really look forward to having more spaces to come together. So I fully support what you all are doing. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Madam Clerk, anyone else? Anyone else please raise your but your hand on its own. No. Okay. So seeing no one else online we will close the public hearing. Mr. Parris anything you want to add by way of quick comment? Just three clarifying points please. Please move real quick and right for the record. On the development agreement certainly in agreement with the condition that that can be certainly re-indicated in terms of watering down, a clarification on the activation definition that would apply along U.S.1, along U.S.1. The condition is just one point on the condition related to the activation of the rooftops. Instead of using all that language, if we could refer back to the code provision that deals with it, because there are some exceptions. Can you refresh our recollection? The language you're talking about, the height of the mechanical equipment on the roof and the shielding on it. There are some exceptions that are built into the code already dealing with elevator overhangs and stuff, and it's There are some exceptions that are built into the code already dealing with elevator overhangs and stuff and it's not picked up in that language but I think if we just refer right back to the code provision which is 20-12.8 I think. Mr. Resty, do you have any objection to that? I don't. Mr. Alvar is fine as well. Okay so I think let's just add the appropriate cross reference back to the controlling code section. And just for complete use of the record, we turn in a letter from Kimlee Corn that talks about traffic impacts and how this development is actually reducing traffic impacts as compared to the existing development and the proposed development. I was going to get into it into the details, but it's in the record. I'm sure you'll be available for questions. So, okay. Colleagues, thank you for your presentation. Thank you. Colleagues, any questions about either the development agreement or the site plan for the applicant or staff? Mr. Kaye, you're recognized. I just had one question. I'm sure you'll be available for questions. So, okay. Colleagues, thank you for your presentation. Thank you. Colleagues, any questions about either the development agreement for the applicant or staff. Tricia Cuy? You recognized? I just had one question. One of the things that we added for the provisions was the landing. I saw a landing that we have going across US1 along 57 Davinue, but I also saw one that we have going across on the south west side where the new corridor is according to the site plan. What's the vision there roughly or? I think the vision is that we don't know what the vision is right we don't know what the proposal is going to be if there is going to be a proposal with regards to it but you know one one example could be what they do in Las Vegas, where they integrate the bridges across into the buildings. That could be one possibility. I mean, I think we're years away from having a design for that pedestrian bridge. So what we did was we permitted for the possibility for it. But that possibility needs to materialize before we go in for a building permit, right? So, you know, there was a sort of a give and take so that we had a place that we can, a mark that we can come back to, but since we don't know that's kind of a compromise that I think we were- Yeah, so I think I'm sure, Guy, we had heard some comments, I think we thought it was wise at least leave a placeholder where if we had a concept that we wanted to explore we had an opportunity to do that in conversation with a developer up and through the day that they submitted a building permit for that last phase. So again, maybe Mr. Heather Wicken team will design something as cool as a roll of bridge across US one. That would be absolutely amazing. So looking forward to what their imagination can, you know, unleash that location. Yes, your recognition is been advised, Mary. Who's gonna pay for that? I'm sorry, I'm always the money. Who's gonna pay for that? We don't know, we don't know, that's, I mean, okay, maybe the bond will be there. Oh, we Jesus. Um, okay. But just because that's an earmark in there, that doesn't mean that we're expecting and nobody's there. So let's clarify what the language does is allow us to initiate a conversation with a developer about that connection up through the day that they file a building permit for that tower. If we have not engaged them, have not profit of design, do not have a finance plan, and they bring forward a proposal for that site, that option essentially terminates. So it's not, I don't think it's creating any sort of affirmative obligation on their part. It's just allowing that we both have some mutual desire to possibly create further connectivity in the form of a bridge or to that building possibly. OK, so nowhere in there is saying we'll pay for it. Great, no obligations for anybody. For anybody. Yeah, conversation. OK, then other than the items that we've discussed, there's nothing else because I know that we've thrown around a million and one different things including items of philanthropy, public things, all kinds of things. None of that then is going to be included. We're done adding things everywhere. What is in the agreement with respect to community benefits is that the proffer on the part of the developer to host us here of job fairs for each phase. I think. Trying to get people working on construction jobs on the site. We can initiate any number of other complimentary programs to refer people to get people trained in advance of that development on the permanent job side, same thing. They're going to offer opportunities. We can decide what we choose to make of those opportunities with their support. But then other than those things that we've already discussed that are on there, there's nothing else that we all need to know about, think about. Unless you have another idea, you want to put on the table? Certainly. Definitely not removing moral palm trees. It's funny that we've gone on the palm tree thing and there's a palm tree behind your head. Palm trees in our cage. Yeah right now. Can we share Cory? I think you had some questions. Yeah actually I was going to mention the the local benefits that were discussed between the first agreement and this one and then of course just I haven't had the opportunity to thank everybody for coming here tonight and sharing your opinions and thank the development group for the work that they've done with the city and the work that they've done with us. And I just wanted to also thank you between that first and second reading we mentioned that we wanted a stronger local component and you did add that. We also appreciate you operating within the rights that you're given, not requesting any exceptional variances, anything like that. So I wanted to hear more elaboration on local, but we did sort of discuss that a little bit here and the local benefits. So I'm happy for now. Thank you. Questions, colleagues? Councillor Gaiay. Councillor Lieberman? Oh, thank you. I can certainly, Thank you questions colleagues. Kushe guy a give us your lever but leverman Can we certainly collision leave and I'm just playing with him. Can we sir leave him? You know that's traumatic for me, I know I know I know I know You got to think Rick Rick teed me up for that one. I know. Thanks. Thanks for it. I did. You're not the first one. I might do the last one. Okay. So, no questions, just comments? Sure, go right ahead. If you want to close, we can start closing. Yeah. Close, but make some comments. I want to thank everyone for coming. This is unlike me, but this is my last regular schedule meeting. So I really want to thank everyone for coming. This is unlike me, but this is my last regular schedule meeting. So I really want to thank the two people that provided a different perspective than we're necessarily in support of the project 100% and ask some very good questions. I don't want to scare you. I'm not firing back at you. But those are usually the seeds for people that consider running for office down the line. And we have to give all of you another reason to come to South Miami other than commission meetings. And to Mr. Heatherwick's point, certainly something more dynamic, a more dynamic reason than commission meetings. And for all those you spoke tonight, I heard very few that actually live in South Miami. So maybe in a couple of years, you too will have an opportunity to live in South Miami and you can move into sunset place when condos go on sale or at the time that the apartments start opening. Another thing I want to say is that I mentioned this in the last meeting that I've been here for almost 12 years and nine months and I was 12 years and nine months old I used to volunteer at the Bakery Center at the Miami Youth Museum. So as I mentioned this is my last regularly scheduled meeting and it's really an honor and just a wonderful privilege to devote and support this project, which is gonna be transformational for South Miami. This is the anchor 10 in our city and nothing else will put feet on the street, like this project. And I touched on this a little bit last week. So when people support progress and you may have the contingent that says you're supporting private interest over public interest. Well, by supporting private interest, we're supporting public interest. So repeat what I said last week. Two thirds of our budget comes from our commercial district. And for such a tiny city, two and a half square miles, we have the richest services in the county at a 34 municipalities. We have our own police department and the very best police department at that. And we have the richest garbage services in the county. We're on par with Coral Gables. And if any of you are wondering, which no one touched on tonight, just at the very bare minimum, which was a clause that was touched on in the developer agreement, that this group has to construct over 200 million in hard costs. That will generate just shy of $2 million a year in net revenue. That's not gross. The city receives about 20% of the overall tax bill that you pay will receive 1,930,000 so just round that up to 2 million. Our base budget, not including CIP, is 24 million. When the project is finished, that number will be well above 6 million, close to 7 million. But even if you take 6 million, that's a 25% increase to our budget. And you hear people speaking about bonds. If you bond that, that's $100 million in improvements to the city. So yeah, with that said, I just want to thank everyone with commission, the audience, Vellamon Group, and just, I'm, I can't tell you how excited I'm Mr. how thewick that you decided to come and make a very special place in South Miami and to the point earlier I think it's the only or one of only two places in the country that will be a private public project so it's just super exciting and we're all really looking forward to it. Thank you, thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Colleagues for the comments? Okay so I'll just add a few comments to close then. You know I'm most excited when I look these plans about I think the round-level proposed landscape because I think, the ground level proposed landscape. Because I think it best encapsulates that for anyone who's interested at home in the future, she G-101-03. Because I think what it shows very clearly is just how open the site has become. I think someone used the word an old St. Augustine Spanish fortress to describe the improvements there. And I think that's exactly the sense I've always had driving by and around this property. Very rarely did it ever in treat me to want to step into it from the street. And so the vision here is as demonstrated on this page I think is the most exciting part. I will challenge the group because I think you guys, you know, and again, Alex, thank you for your confidence in South Miami. I'm most excited about this project, not just for what it portends on its own, which is going to be transformation on its own right, with the team that you brought the brand that Heather Rick Studio brings to the city. I think it's tremendously value-ocreative to us as a jurisdiction. I think it's going to help market South Miami to the rest of the world and put us on the map in a unique and different way. But I think it's also going to finally unlock what has been a stranglehold on people's confidence around investing in the city. When I talk to people about investing in other projects in South Miami, the biggest inhibitor, the biggest thing they're looking for, the guide star for them making their own investment decision is what is going to happen at sunset place. So I think just the mere approval of this, whether all of this happens, whether a portion of it happens, and we hope all of it happens, right, and is executed as wonderfully as it's represented in these drawings. But I'm excited about all the other collective imagination and investment is going to unleash by virtue of us hopefully approving this here in a few minutes. I've been fortunate over the last 25 years to work in the public and private sectors on some pretty amazing projects starting as a young staff person to a mayor at Midtown Miami where we, you know, with a private private sector reimagined an old rail yard that was a blight. Not only on that property but also a blight that basically kept down the years of win wood, and he joining years in the design district. And then as a young lawyer, it was privileged to work on Brickle City Center and the design district in terms of the entitlements for those projects. And each is a magnificent place that had its own challenges, not too different from the challenges that this property faces. So when mentioned that Crossing US 1 is hostile, I will tell you the Crossing Southwest H Street and South West 7th Street to get to Brickle City Center is more hostile than Crossing US 1. Think about the two major arterials in and out of Brickle, right, with density already present on the Eastern end, to get to I-95. A harder crossing I cannot imagine. I agree with Mr. Alonso. I think the crossing at sunset by comparison is relatively easy. So I think, you know, the design district, a Fort-Forgon place, no one could have imagined growing up here in Miami that an area that was with the home to some of the riots that divided this community along ethnic lines for decades could now be the number one luxury shopping district in our community, right? A place transformed not only by the investment in real estate but also through an investment in the arts. I'm hoping my challenge to you guys is I hope you take some of the inspiration for the art walls that you're envisioning here, particularly here on the west side of the project, which is still the most massive because of the existing garage that you basically imbue that art and really animate those facades with the kind of activations that you see on the garages in the design district, the John Balda Sari Meerholes. What I've taken from all those experiences and I'm hoping to hopefully have the same feeling when I walk through this project in the future, is that if we can imagine it, we can achieve it. A lot of us are challenged by the fact that we've grown up here. Our imagination is limited to what we've understood and experienced here. I think we have the great blessing of an inspired development sponsor, Mary, to an inspired development sponsor, Mary to an inspired design firm, right, that has the ability to imagine things that we probably don't even believe are possible for this site. And so I'm really excited to see what their collective imaginations unleash, not only for this parcel, but also for the surrounding town center. And I'm excited to support it. This is not everything I ever wanted. In this project, we've had disagreements about different elements. But again, as I said before, perfect has been the enemy of good. It's not mind me for too long. And I think this is excellent in its own right. And I think it's worthy of our support. And my sincere hope is that in the few years, when I'm getting most of the thing you Commissioner Leeman here, excuse me, that we will walk through this project in a decade and feel much the same way. I feel about my experience walking through Brickle City Center and the design district. There are places that are engaging, transformative, and have shaped, have changed the image of Miami across the world. And I hope that that is true here in Suntsoplaise as well. Thank you. Thank you. Applause. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. With that, is there a mayor? Yes, sir. That was perfect. Okay. Okay, is there a mayor? Yes, sir. That was perfect Okay, that is our motion item 15, please All right, I move item 15 should I read it first? She should Item 15 resolution improvement development agreement with sunset opportunities me one LLC and sunset C1 LLC for the 10.09 acre property known in sunset place located at 50701 through 5795 Southway, second-second street sunset driving downtown, so many DS district pursuant to a section 163.322-03163.324344 Statues and Section 20-12.13 of the land development code of the rising city manager to execute the development agreement all of the supporting instruments required by the land development code for the development of the property. Can we really move the item as amended? Okay, I'd like to move the item as amended. Is there a second? Can I? Yes, sir. Can I just clarify commission Liebman's motion just to make sure that it includes all the stuff that needs to include? It's the supplemental version. That is before you. Correct. With the six items that I mentioned, that's the two exhibits, exhibit A and F, plus the changes to section three, section four B, section five G, section ten A, and then the three things that Mr. Perez mentioned, which is the water and down construction, the clarification as to active uses along, that the art wall would extend, would be permitted along the US one frontage and The language of activating rooftops to change the condition to mirror the code language Which you'll hear again from me on 16 but again the clarification on the lead standards as well correct The lead standards was already in there. Okay. No problem. Okay So as amended commissioner as amended. Okay. Is there a second? All seconded. Okay. Now, clerk, if you can call the roll, please. Yes. Commission Kaye. Yes. Commission Corian. Yes. Commission Lehman. Yes. Vice Mayor Bonif. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes five. Thank you. If we can read item 16, please. Yes. please. Item 16. A resolution of the Mary City Commission to City of South Louis, approving or denying an application for an issue site plan approval, concerned to a section 20-12.13 of the land development code for approximately 10.098 per property known as Sunset Place located at 5701 through 5795 southwest of New Second Street Sunset Drive in a downtown Sony DS district for a mixed use project the city of the city of and enforcement of additions. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Commissioner Lee, would you like to move this item as well? Maybe Commissioner Coye or Commissioner Cory? I'll move the motion. Is there a second? I'll second. So the motion by Commissioner Coye and a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Pardon me Mayor, one just clarification. Just ask the conditions. Through a little off your game today, We have a second. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So again, thank you. All future questions about the timing of sunset place are to be referred to Mr. Perez. Because we have done our work. Please go ahead and make us proud. We appreciate your investment. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can I have a advice for you? I'd just like to say one thing. In saying congratulations to Mr. Vedia. I think Mrs. Vedia and Mrs. Vedia also maybe deserve some congratulations. Congratulations, yes. You guys have to put up with them. So congratulations to you too. Thank you. We're going to stand adjourned for five minutes. Thank you. I'm going to go to the chamber please. Commissioners, if you can come back to the desk. We have someone locate Commissioner Gaia and appreciate it. Thank you. We have someone locate Commissioner Guyad, I appreciate it. Thank you. Commissioner Leven, do you want to move to defer an item? Yes. Which item would you like to defer? Sorry, I don't know the number of the item, but it is the item 14. Okay, I move to defer. Sorry, item 14. Okay, it's to date certain or. So then it's in the November 4th meeting. You just want to have a discussion about which we could do now, but where we could do that. Let's brief discussion. Whenever you, well, we have to defer to not. Okay, so it's defer to 114. Is there a second? Second. Second. Okay, we have a second by Commissioner Cory. It's with a motion by Commissioner Leibman. I will say Leibman. You were going to say Leibman. A second by Commissioner Cory. Adam Clark, if you can call the roll on the deferral, please. Yes, Commissioner. Lehman. Yes. Yes. Yes. Mr. Corey. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Farrer. Great. Thank you. Mr. Managers, you want to quickly run through the bond presentation. And again, we'll keep this if we can keep this to five minutes, I think what I want to do is just make the public aware that we have had a list of projects. Again, they're not approved projects. But I've got a lot of questions about the kinds of projects that we want to fund. So Mr. Manager, if you can run us through your presentation very briefly. And then we can direct the public who's watching to reference the available information on our public website. Thank you. Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, the item that you have in your agenda has a memorandum, obviously elaborating on the ballot question for November 5th, which is, I won't read the question, but it's regarding the general obligation bond and authorization not exceeding 65 million. This commission has discussed over time during capital project, during discussions, during budget discussions how such revenue from a bond would be utilized. And we've provided a couple of sample documents that have shared suggestions and recommendations. Certainly the list that's before you equals the 65 million but I would say that in my opinion the city's needs, you know, exceed that amount we were trying to work within the specified amount. The bond project list, as before, is a draft. The commission have never formally authorized a set of projects, but it's before you for your discussion. And they typically would fall in different categories. In this case, we must live within the confines of the language, which is financing the cost of acquiring, constructing, reconstruct acquiring, constructing, reconstructing, improving, and equipping various capital improvements for real property and infrastructure for parts, recreation, public works, and public safety. And in further and so that, the list has a series of recommended projects and or purchases that would be, would happen over time, a bond program, you know, could be a 15 or 20 year program. And some of the ideas that are on this list would be, for example, land acquisition. And there's a pot of money that has been identified as suggested amount that would in the future. And this would be part of a master plan process when we do the parks master plan that would maybe identify the city's needs currently and in the future. And so funds in that category could acquire green space to add to acreage based on recommendations from the master plan. There are other line items and this recommended bond list of projects, arts and parks installations. There's some money to improve the property that is known as Little House Preserve for restoration improvements, also known as Groska property, aquatic center resurfacing to the current facility and pool that we have. We're also addressing some potential improvements to the current community center. There's $500,000 allocated to that. There's a project that would be an expansion or mirror image if you will of our current community center to expand and maybe provide additional recreational spaces like another basketball court or multi-purpose court, volleyball court, fitness area. There's a general category that would fund the implementation of any recommendations that come as a result of the master plan. And the master plan was conducted previously. I think it was maybe 10 years ago I believe. And so it has such a forward looking approach master plan, identifying current needs and future needs based on the city and its growth and changing demographics, potential programming needs and physical spaces to support the interests of the residents and the stakeholders. There are other miscellaneous and obviously fleet. There's some funding for potentially for fleet, which is always, today we dealt with an item having to repair. So maintaining a fleet also that it's on the ready and reduces waste and inefficiencies. So through this program that you could see in the foreseeable future are need to replace certain fleet within parks. And lastly in the parks category there's a blue way access point which is a something that would be studied as to how do we best leverage our waterways from a standpoint of activating that and from a recreation stamp which would be a very unique feature given our canals currently in the city and they're really not necessarily utilizing our leverage but the blue way access points would do that. From a police standpoint, there's some ideas potentially. They're more capital nature of a command vehicle that could be used for special events and other events and potentially a response vehicle for any incidents in the city that would be labeled a risk for a response vehicle. So that would be a purchase. From an infrastructure and beautification, as we discuss, we have a number of needs the city has from a bridge and culvert, and these are things that are currently in design and dealing with infrastructure issues that sometimes are not visible to the public, but it's at the core of what government is supposed to do, which is maintain infrastructure. And we have some things that are in need of refurbishing and replacing, we've talked about the bridge, where we have one lane closed on the bridge as required by the FAR Department of Transportation. So it's important that these sorts of programs look long-term and invest in that infrastructure because they're large scale and big money items that exceed our ability to go and pay as we go on an annual basis. And what it does is it takes away money from other improvements. So we have also a $6 million for a place making, and this would be for the implementation once we finish that study. We do not have a budget yet for that because that process is ongoing. And then roadway lighting improvements, that has a $2 million allocation. Lastly, from a public work standpoint, there again some capital replacement and a solid waste truck and or a couple couple trucks a fuel tank replacement and trash truck So these are Not things that that people see on an everyday basis necessarily from a visual standpoint But there are the core of our operations and our you see the price tags of some of these things and very costly The last line item is is an allocation towards City Hall The last line item is an allocation towards a city hall redevelopment of $16.1 million. And as you know, we're currently in negotiation with the proposal. And that is not necessarily the cost of that facility, but it's a portion of the cost of that facility. And that has been identified as a potential possibility of using a bond program to help defray some of the costs, not necessarily defray, but finance some of the costs over the long term through a bond program. So these are not necessarily projects that have been formally approved. They're for your discussion and ideas. We've had some of your suggestions in the past. But as you mentioned mayor, there have been questions about how would the city, how would A city and how would this city go about spending this money that that would happen over a long period of time, and certainly all at once. So these are ideas are before you and certainly we could take any other thoughts or comments that you may have as a related list. Yeah, and so let me give a little bit back. I want to just to bring this item because I've gotten I've seen, I've gotten questions from numerous people all the stay is former elected officials, residents, about what our intention is here. So I want to just be clear at least to what my intention is with this referendum and bringing this item forward. Again, I just want to make sure that people understand that we have been talking about these needs for the better part over a year. We do not have a plan to finance a lot of these needs. We can prioritize what these are all needs necessities or wants. There's certainly conversations that we had about that because there are varying degrees here. But what we're discussing, I just want to be clear, is not something that's new under the sun even in South Miami. Now the last time we had some public comment about this in early September, a couple of former electives and members of the public came and said, what we're doing, we're not doing our job collectively in pursuing grant dollars, that things are built without debt before and they're built with grant funding exclusively. And I just want to clarify that that's not accurate, right? In part, the Bethel Gibson Center was funded with debt approved through a local bank loan that was used to match a Safe Neighborhood Park grant, which was a county bond program that was in existence in the 90s and funded a lot of improvements in neighborhoods, parks, sidewalks. We've had conversations at the county level about a possible 2026 bond authorization. So this would give us the potential we prepared to possibly draw down dollars from a similar program that could be created in a couple years. Like was the case that led to the creation of the current facility. Prior street improvements in sunset place were funded with a combination of grant dollars, local special revenues here, PTP, etc. Stormwater funds, FTP grants. The parking garage was funded with grant monies, was funded with debt, right? Was funded with local resources. So again, I just wanted to demystify the fact that what we're doing is really nothing you wanted to the sun. I'm happy to circulate an email to all of you through the clerk about how those projects were funded. But debt has not been something that the city has not utilized in the past. What we have not done is had a general obligation bond, which is different in kind. But I think we did have a conversation over a year ago with our FA. And while my preference was certainly to be to pledge not out of a law room, debt and our full faith and credit, I think it was obvious in the presentation that our capacity on this is a lesser significant growth in those revenues is limited right where we know we're going to have capacity over the next year or two years is with the retirement of existing debt within our budget and we can pledge those general and the law and revenues to support to support a future issuance and so to the exercise around this is the state of folks up Mr. Manager, where can they find this list of projects? Correct. And you development, that's correct. Which will come from out of the water revenues as well. So Mr. Manager, is this list available publicly on the city's website? We were waiting to have this discussion, but we have a frequently asked questions or information on our website that we would add this and label it draft because it's not formally approved. I think it is. I mean, again, I don't want to give anyone the impression that these are projects that we have approved because for me, what I see is an opportunity to create some flexibility in a new tool we can use to attract resources. You're the flavor of the month in Tallahassee, the head of government may be subject to sewer dollars. We can finance some of those needs with matching dollars through this program. There may be a state neighborhood parks bond equivalent that can lead us to getting some new park facilities, finance, and park through matching dollars. That's my ambition with this authorization. I think what I hope is that in after November, four of us and a new colleague will have the opportunity to discuss what projects we really want to prioritize knowing that in 2026 we're going to have hopefully capacity to go to market and then begin to release our team to design what those priority projects are. As opposed to what we've done in the past, which is design and never get to figure out how we're gonna find answer. So again, I just wanted to make sure that information's in the record publicly. And if Mr. Manager, unless there's an objection to my colleagues, I'd like us to publish that list. Again, it's a draft list. No commitments. That list, again, can change overtime based on needs and opportunities to get dollars elsewhere. You had a question, Madam Vice-Mirror. Sorry. Yes. Actually, two things. One, do you think it would be beneficial for people to understand the debt that is being retired so that they understand what our buying power will be without that so that when they see that thing, they understand where we stand without the ability to bond. Yeah, so with my understanding is October 1, 2026, we're retired. I think just shy of $700,000 of recurring debt service payments. And that in today's market probably translates into let's just say to be concerned seven and a half million dollars, right? So I think depending on where interest rates are. Yeah, so I think that people should be able to see both sides of that. Right. Yeah, so I think that people should be able to see both sides of that right and then second This is a me question because I'm a little bit confused is We keep talking about a bridge on a covert Did did we set aside any money to repair any of that we did we did okay? So we have the money that then is in the bond is for future repairs or better repair. I think the clarify we have it finished designing those improvements. So we have an estimate on what the costs we expect the costs are. But they in fact could be more than that. Okay. And so, yes. Yes, go ahead sir. You recognize. We've improved it in the budget. So it's in the budget. It's funded for next year's budget. All right, estimated costs, which may or may not be the real cost. So, what would it allow possibly that's obviously such a long term infrastructure that maybe the funds could be diverted instead of using the CIP money for those projects we can fund other needs and then finance that because we know the bridge and the culvert is going to have a long life to it. So it gives you the flexibility of diverting funds to more immediate needs and then finance that because we know the bridge and the culvert is gonna have a long life to it. So it gives you the flexibility of diverting funds to more immediate needs and then be financed a longer term needs. Okay, perfect. So yes, we will in tandem with that show people what our spending power would be without a bond. Sure, so I think, I think, well, without a bond, so there's the bond or we can certainly pledge non-added of the law of revenues by a forfeuse vote of this commission. For the recent change. So there may be future project revenues. I mean, in the past, I think the city had used the $150,000 a guy on a recurring basis from South Miami Hospital to finance pay the debt service payments on the debt the 1.8 to 2.2 million dollars of debt that they used to build the Bethel Gibson Center. So that's how that project was financed. So there are those opportunities outside of a bond program, but again this again gives us some of your flexibility. Okay, with that if there are any further questions, if not, we'll go ahead and move on. OK. And I have a moving on. Yes, ma'am. Can we defer number 13, which is mine? Sure. You want to move it? Yes. I'd like to move to defer number 13 to the next meeting, please. OK. I was going gonna vote yes. Oh, well, you can vote yes next. Okay, sounds good Remember remember everybody he said yes. Can we say yes for next week? We have a motion on to defer item 13 to November 4th Your preference, okay, please is there a second a second. Okay. We have a motion by the vice mayor a second by Commissioner Corey Madam clerk, can you call the role on the deferral? Yes, Commissioner Lehman. Yes. I say bonniche. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Cahier. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I don't have to say that. See, he did vote, yes. Did you say President Bonniche? I don't know. Can they tell you I was going to say no? No. Okay. second reading item number 17 if you can read the record. I don't know if there was someone that could talk in it. I'm sorry, come on up. I didn't realize you were here. You wanted to speak on it, please. I apologize. My apologies. All the speakers that were earlier are not citizens or residents of this area. Just a general question is how is this bond going to be repaid? So we as we were just discussing we have existing debt, it can be repaid in any number of ways. Any number of ways. 65 million versus 700,000. It's not a global one. No exactly. So the idea would be not to borrow what we can't afford to borrow. What does is the authorization is indefinite in this duration. So if we have more capacity within our budget we can borrow more revenue if we choose to. It's just an authorization. Mayor, just a clarification. The 700,000 is not the amount, the balance, the 700,000 is the debt service payment towards that amount. It's a larger amount. Annual. Yeah, it's a larger, yeah, the loan is a larger amount. The 700 is the loan payment. Can I add that? Can I add? 65 million is not gonna be pulled off the get go, right? So, and then- It sounds like a blank check. It's not, it's- I'll explain to a lot of people. Think of it as a line of credit. It's not a mortgage, it's a line of credit that's being pulled out. As you go with whatever we decide and the community decides and we're all in agreement to go ahead and spend the money on It'll be on that specific project. So if a project for let's say city hall is 15 million dollars That's one check that we would go we would need to go make sure we can pay for the 15 million dollars in the Obligation, okay, does that make sense? Yeah, and then just and just to be clear I mean we could we could pass a resolution adopting that list of projects, but in full transparency Any future commission can change the list right by act so we have a we have an idea of things that we need and we're gonna Publish that information to the benefit of looking at it But no no action we take today would be binding any subsequent commission so they could re prioritize projects Even if we said we're gonna use it for this specific purpose and nothing else If I'm not seeing this chair. We're not seeing this chair. Whatever follows when they have the ability to borrow Could say we want to prioritize something else So don't you think that's a little bit risky Because you're giving a blank check to anyone that comes in the future and while the intentions right now might be really good as to what you're gonna use The money for there There's going to be no checks and balances on the future whoever they might be. Well, I think the checks and balances are always the voters, number one. Number two, I think it's also- I just asked one question. Yes you may. This is approved, then what say do the voters have in future projects? Well, we all have to- we all have to- we're all going to be back on the ballot. So that's the first check of accountability. The second is, the second is, you know, there is the reality. If we were to borrow $65 million tomorrow, I'm going to raise your taxes 38%. I don't want to do that personally. I don't want to pay anymore when I pay today, right? So we have an internal check with respect to our, the fiscal constraints of what we can afford to borrow within our current fiscal picture. And so that's why we're saying the first window that opens up for us is not tomorrow, it's October 1 of 2026. Now why are we doing this now, which is a question I get all the time, is that if we wait till 2026 to ask you, once we have the capacity, we lose 20 months of planning and design, that we can start today and get refunded from a future issuance. So, what we've done is still- But still nothing restricting how the money is spent. Correct? And I would tell you, there's no mechanism for ever restricting a borrowing. And again, we could have people have borrowed historically by a 50 vote of this commission to borrow for community centers, street improvements, you know, through not going to a public site and asking for permission, right? They just basically gone to a bank, gotten turns on credit, and the board is acted. We were trying, I think we're doing in some ways is a departure from the past and somewhat extraordinary that we're asking you advance to say, is this something you think is a good idea? And it may be that the collective wisdom of folks in self-miami is, I think, your skepticism, which is, we might not, maybe you should not authorize this. That's a weird good idea. I agree. We need, you know, we need money to operate the city, not, you know, against that. Just 65 million is a lot of money. Just to add something, through the life of a bond program, those issuance or each time there's going to be an issuance comes back to this body for discussion and approval. So if a referendum is approved, it doesn't mean that it's over and necessarily each time the commission is going to say we're going to do 10 million or 15 million, whatever that amount will be, does come through a public process to the commission. The explanation of how the money is going to be sent. Correct. One other point it was briefly touched upon but infrastructure was mentioned numerous times but I mean there's a big federal bill that was passed for infrastructure are we reaching out to state and federal to see about that money. We are we we've actively applied for grants. We've just got a connecting communities grant, which is part of the infrastructure bill for improvements across US one. We started the septic-to-sour project through a state appropriation that we got two years ago. So this puts us, one of the benefits of this is we can show now the ability to match other sources of funding, where we've had kind of had kind I would say kind of a competitive disadvantage particularly when we're not when we're pursuing grant dollars when we're appropriate where we're pursuing state appropriations it's really what can we convince our elected colleagues in Tallahassee to support or at the federal level but when we're pursuing competitive grants you have to EP for water projects or other sources it's essential to be able to show a match. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Madam Vice-Maria, you want to add something? I hear you. I agree with you $65 million is a lot of money. I sit here, I struggle like you're struggling. I say put it to the voters because we all are going to carry the debt and we should all collectively decide if that's what we want. I listen and I agree with our mayor when he says that in the past the decision was made up here and the debt was carried whether you knew about it you agreed with it or not. The $65 million scare me you better bet it scares me because while we may sit up here and be somewhat judicious sometimes not not judicious, sometimes super conservative, sometimes not conservative at all with your money. We can only speak for ourselves. We can't speak for future commissions and whether they may go all over local and decide 65 million dollars is a great thing to spend your money on. They go crazy to translate. You know? I agree with a many. So, thank you. So yes, being wary is a good thing. So, thank you. So, yes, being wary is a good thing. So, everybody will have to decide for themselves if they think 65 million dollars is necessary for our city. If they get out in vote. If they get out in vote and you know what, does our city need a lot of things? Yes. Are there different ways to slice that cake? Yes, do we need help? Yes, it all depends on how individually we look at how we need to do that. One last point, because I heard the words 16.1 build, sorry, a million for city hall redevelopment. And I would just ask that if one it will affect me directly, I live directly in that line of, you know, path, but if it does get redeveloped that we ask the developer to fund the majority of that project. I don't have to you guys know about this church down the road on Sunset. Yes. See on the land, developer built the, you know, homes and they got essentially a free church for my understanding. So something like that would be. Yeah and I think that's what we have been discussing. I think one of the trade-offs there and we hear from the public the other side which is we don't want tall buildings. I'm not saying we should do that. No no I. If there is a development. And we hear it and we live it. I mean we're part of the community as well. I mean, some people will say different things about that. But I think one of the flexibility that a bond program creates is if we have more capacity, can we choose to borrow, to build our own improvements as opposed to our likes, exclusively on having the development finance it? Because that's going to require more development by necessity. So these are the kind of options that we're just trying to create so we can have that conversation with you and other people. And I know it's on an easy job so I think you guys for your public service. And we thank you for coming and holding this accountable. Thank you. Actually, yeah, I'll share a few things. This is coming from someone that didn't support the bond. But one is, South Miami taxes are only 20% of your tax bill, right? So even if the tax is one up 10% in South Miami, that's only gonna represent 2% of your overall tax bill, right? It's 20% of your bill. The other thing is the mayor mentioned, once we retire a debt payment in two years, the $7000,000 that'll give us $7 million in bonding capacity. I'd argue over $10 million. This is municipal debt. So without raising taxes, without any impact for a budget, without there make $10 million in improvements. And this is my opinion. But I think the greatest, most important thing we can do this South Miami now is place making, push improving our commercial area, which we would like to heavily on, to keep for a small city, we have very low taxes, and I don't think there's a greater disparity in the county. We have amongst the lowest taxes, amongst the richest services. And then looking, I'll say, is with all this new development coming in, you could just bond that revenue and reinvest that revenue in the city and I look at the place making not as an expense but I look as an investment as protecting our tax base because when you heard from just a couple people tonight being up there for many one you can walk down sunset drive and see everyone knows who passes through our city how neglected and tired it is and it's we can't rely the mayor's raised concerns as believe as you have but up to the sense of police doesn't happen we can't rely 100% on that to support our commercial area we as a city need to make an investment to attract that foot traffic and protect that tax base thank you Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Let's move to item 17 quickly. If we can have that, I'm ready to the record please. Yes. In the ordinance, comprehensively, and many Article 3 noise of Chapter 15 offenses and miscellaneous provisions of the City Court of ordinances to revise the noise regulations within the city. Repealing outdated provisions in sections 15-83 through 15-92 Section 15-94 section 15-95 and Section 15-97 through 15-99 and the leading section 15-100 graffiti and graffiti removal areas From article three noise and amended article one in general to relocate the provision as section 15-2 Thank you Madam Clerk, but if I spare I know this is your item and there's a modifications made It was not your item I thought it was Well the city manager my apologies, but you had requested some modifications be made I know they were incorporated were you satisfied with those modifications? I can't see them because this thing keeps popping up on me. We made some tweaks to the decibels. Yes. So I know they both went to 80 decibels, I think. Across the 70. Based on some research in the director of COVID-19. So those are the adjustments primarily. There was a question about if it was too low, based on what some ambient noise on other things a day to day that you would find. So ultimately until we operationalize this and kind of just get a feel for it, you know, hit a sweet spot. We won't really know exactly what would work for us, but I think the director just did some further research and came back with these adjustments. Okay. I mean look I'm I'm I was fine with changing the decimal reading during the day and time hours but I think we could now have the same standard for both day and night overnight. I was wondering whether you thought it would make sense to have the overnight hours get the 65 decibels since we're talking about a noise standard that applies in residential neighborhoods. Correct? Because the town center is an example of those standards. I'm sorry, but I was trying to open it again and I can't because something is popping up on my head. Across the board they went to 80. We had two thresholds. One was at 70 and I think at 65. Thank you. Okay. So, here we have it. Vice mayor, do you have a garage band? You know what? No. I'm loud all by myself. Okay. So 80 decibels is somewhere between a novel conversation and city traffic. So APM to 8 a.m. Monday through Thursday. So busy city traffic. And then Friday and Saturday 10 a.m. to midnight. 10 a.m. to midnight you can't have more than city traffic. I think it's 10 a.m. to 12 a.m. Yeah, that would be midnight. Okay. You can never have more than city traffic. You can't have a hairdryer. So I remember this is from this is from the receiving site. It's not it's not the noise that the location with the noise is being made. So it's got to travel to you at that at that decimal reading. And again, I think that's I my concern is not those up-rourers during the day. It's really in the evening, where again, if you're concerned about the town center, it's exempt from the standards. Yeah, no, no, I know. I'm just thinking you're having a party in your backyard. Yeah, so the party in your backyard could be at 120 decibels. But if it gets to the receiver site and it's 80, that's when it trips fine to me. My concern was at night at 65 decibels. At 80 decibels, right? It starts to get to be. Yeah, it's the same all day. It's the same all day. So I had my- My thought was, let's go to 80 decibels during the day, and the evening hours have the more conservative standards 65 decibels. That would be my proposed modification to the draft that's in front of us. 65, which was the number we had originally just for the evening hours not. Midnight to 10 a.m. Yeah. Yes, sir. Which by the way is comparable to surrounding cities at 65 at night. Yeah. If you're leaving, you're recognized. Or thank you. Thank you mayor and yeah. I'm direct city manager. Iiti, we don't have to. I wonder if we should ask the police department how common noise complaints are, what their position is because we don't want to put them in a position where they're getting calls to, right? Is that why is that? Would you recommend? We don't want to put your department in a position where you're getting calls every night. Yes, we have quite a few calls for service for loud noise I will say based on my experience using Noise meters and using decibel readings 80 would be extremely high and probably unhullerable for most Residential areas because you got to remember The police are taking this from a point of view at a public street area. We can't go on to someone else's property unless invited upon to take those measurements. So I think from my perspective I would agree more closely with the mayor that a lower decibel reading after a certain period of time in the evenings is probably more tolerable for the residents of the South Miami. Okay, so then from midnight to 10 a.m., we should put it at 65, which is a normal conversation. Yes, I would recommend a, and you've got to also understand that base is not measured. So that that base thought that you feel is not a decibel reading measurement that you're going to capture Okay, all right there we have it Okay, you don't need to have to talk No, cuz I mean what he's saying is true. It is very high. I mean, I definitely it's 65 or 5 over ambient which is a very common standard in the surrounding cities. All right. There we have it then. So now we have an answer? Yes. Okay. So we got it. The nighttime, we got 65? So I'd like to, I mean, if we're going to change it, I would minimum want to make sure that the evening hours are kept at 65 decimal. All right. We got it. We got it. All right. Do you want to move the item? Moving it with what you just said. With the amendment. Okay. So the vice mayor is moving the item and amending the evening hours down to 65 decibels. No, that came from the... Is there a second? I'll second. moving the item and amending the evening hours to down to 65 decibels. Is there a second? I'll second. Okay. So the motion by the vice mayor, a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role, please. Yes, Commissioner Leibin. Yes. By the symbol. Yes. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Coyade. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. Item passes five. Yes, I don't pass it. Yes, I just have to manage a week. Once we implement the standard, if we can just track, if we're getting more daytime complaints, because we've memorized that a bit, so if we need to revisit this, we can't. Okay. Thank you. Glad my kids are growing. Okay. If you can read item 18 to the record, please. Item 18. An ordinance of many Article 2 definitions, Article 3 zoning regulations, and Article 4 other regulations of the land development code to establish regulations related to residential single family driveways. Great. Um, colleagues, this is an item that we had referred to the planning board. They came back with some substantial modifications. Um, my objective with this was very simple. Initially, it's got a little bit more elaborate, but I think it's a good piece of legislation. I had basically wanted to rein in what was run away gravel in my neighborhood. That was being deployed everywhere. So we made make the standards of other jurisdictions that required an adjure trim. There are a number of other items. I don't know if the development services director wants to summarize the changes quickly or address any questions all of you may have regarding item 18. Madam Vice-President, you recognize. Thank you. We had had a conversation regarding the width of the property to member that we did this stay. I have a circular driveway and you had said you had to have a front yard. We made those modifications based on your comments last time. We agreed with the comments and we made the modification. Thank you. For the questions. Okay, seeing for the questions. I'll move the item. Is there a second? Sorry, maybe we have one. You recognize, sir? With the border lines of the gravel, is that going to count as impervious? The border? The concrete borders would be impervious. Well, it could, it could, it does have to be a concrete border. It can be, per favor, it can be, it could, it could, it could, it could be a concrete board. It can be per paper. It can be, it could be paper. It could be paper now. It could be paper now. It could be paper now. It could be paper now. So it, I mean, it depends on the material that you're using. That's how I would answer the question. Yeah. Yeah. What's happening now is people are tearing out perfectly good driveways and we're just dumping gravel in place of their form asphalt driveway. And I think it's aesthetically much messier. And what I'm doing is walking my dog every day is more and more gravels, cheering all over the right of way, which I don't think is a positive condition. But I have another question. So right now, do we have to pull a permit to pull gravel rock on the ground? No. We don't. So how are we going to enforce that? Because right now, you don't have to pull a permit to pull gravel down. Well, you know, I would imagine if it's bleeding over into the right away, I mean, that's not a condition that's allowed. So I actually need to check because that's, you're not required a building permit, but we may have a zoning permit requirement. And I need to verify. No? I guess because it's all pervious. I mean, I mean, we're just pervious. Well, I mean, I think generally this is not, I would say this is not happening on its own. I'm not seeing, I don't know if you guys are having a different experience. My experience is not that the people are making driveway improvements on their own. What the condition I've typically seen is you have an improved driveway where the service is changed to an appropriate surface with gravel and it's typically done in conjunction with other improvements. Right, so you have like grass and you were to put gravel that wouldn't be a permit. But if you had asphalt, which is the conditions that we're having and you want to come in there and demolish that to reduce your impervious area and put gravel then that would require a permit. You did do the demolition work. That's typically what I'm seeing. You know, I could cite a couple of examples. Additions and or additions to pools, etherier, cherries or whatever. Okay. I will double check, but. It's okay. Okay, so I'll move the items there second. Second. Okay. Yes, sir. Question Mayor, you had mentioned the six inch curb around loose gravel. Yes, right now it says a concrete curb. If you wanted to open it up to other materials. No, I'm, again, I'm agnostic to the material. OK. I'll get out when I started this conversation many months ago. All I wanted was for us to replicate the standard that coral gables that adopted. So if you can bring back a modification on second reading, consistent with that language, I think that would basically solve the issue for me. So let's adopt it as it is and let's update it on second reading. Okay. Okay. Here's an emotion in a second. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role please. Yes, Commissioner Lieben. Yes. Yes, Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Cahill. Yep. Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I'm passed first reading. Can I get a motion to extend the meeting 10 minutes please Motion to extend the meeting 10 minutes with with the vice mayor's attendance Okay, so the motion by commissioner leave in a second by commissioner Corey Hearing no objections. We will consider the meeting extended If you read item 19 please. Item 19 in ordinance amending section 2-26.8 budget and finance committee of the city of code of ordinances to revise the purposes of the committee to add advice and recommendation on bond financing and projects and to revise the term on numbers. Thank you so colleagues very simply this item is intended to provide some citizen oversight over the bond program since we had discussed that before This was again an item I discussed with the former chair of the budget finance committee who thought it was a scope of work they could handle I think it provides some more transparency into the process and again another Check on any action that this commission might take or any projects that it might seek to finance with proceeds from any futures bond or bond series that would be authorized by The referendum that's before voters should this should the referendum pass my intention would bring this back on second reading sometime in December to formally adopt, finally adopt this scope of work for the budget and finance committee which exists today. So that's the purpose of the item. Hopefully you'll give it your favorable consideration. Happy to take any questions. So sorry, not to be disagreeable. Am I position remains the same? I know it can still use it for marketing, which I know was done, but I just think it's the finnivally putting the cart before the horse, bond isn't passed. We haven't gone out to the market. It's a long time away even if the bond passes. So, and then even if the bond passes up to this side, we're gonna go out and take out a loan and what that'll be used for. So, it just think it's way too early to create a committee when there's not a need for a significant amount of time. Again, I think it's putting the car before the horse. I just think it's really early. But if everyone's to vote for it, I'll support the commission on that. Yes, sir, you're recognized. Just to verify it, you said it would be on second reading, so it wouldn't be verified or ratified until the second. No, yeah, the intention here is to just signal our intention to have more citizen participation through this committee and a window into what we're doing on spending and project approval. So that's the intention, not my intention, or not to bring, or I'm not planning to enact this on November 4th before the November 5th elections. So they do it, bring it back in December for final adoption, then obviously expand the existing committee scope will work so they can help us in this process. I just think it's premature before we know if the bond, I think it's premature until the bond passes. Understood. Understood. For. Understood. For the comments. Okay. Would that I move the item is there a second? No second. Okay. Most of my myself and the second by Commissioner Kaye, Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. Yes, Commissioner Kaye. Yes. Commissioner Corye. Yes. Commissioner Lieben. Yes. Vice Member Nees. Yep. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. Yes. I am a pass first reading. Thank you. If you can read item 20 please. Item 20, in the ordinance of menu section 887, Cona silence of chapter 888, Cona at this of this Cona ordinances to amend the Cona silence, conferring the cities up in out of the Miami-Dade County Cona silence as set forth in section 2011.1T of the Miami-Dade County Code and the Appropribility of the provisions therein. Mr. Manager, you want to give us a one-minute or 30-second overview on this item? I can do it if you want. Again, colleagues over a call that this is the item that would basically allow us to operate under a, you know, the vest of the Code of Silence, once the manager makes his recommendation, that's the intention of the modification. Any questions of the manager or the manager makes his recommendation. That's the intention of the modification. Any questions of the manager or the city attorney? I move the item. We have a second. Emotion by Commissioner Lee Min. And a second by Commissioner Galle. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll please. It was Commissioner Galle. Commissioner Cory. Yes. Commissioner Lee Min. Yes. By the Vice Mayor Boni. Yes. Mayor Fernandez. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, with that we said adjourned. Thank you everyone. you