John, do you want to open the meeting officially? Well, do we have a forum? One, two, three, four. Yes. Okay, so we'll call the meeting order. The minutes have been circulated, and there were actually two meetings that were circulated in November. So let's just vote on separately. If there are a motion to approve, the minutes from November 26th. So moved. It's right. I'm back. I could just Microsoft just bumping me off. Sorry. Glad you're back Roy. So we're just voting on the minutes. So everybody approved that of the 20th November 26th. 24 meetings. January 28th meeting. People in the opportunity to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I'm going to go to the second. I don't think we have any public comment. I didn't get anything officially and nobody's in the room. So move on to the administrative update discussion. And it's an answer. I probably should sense some two of you are not in the room. About town for each dayness here from the town council to give us town councils view and update on on what's happening. I think're going to be a regular start. Yeah, let's go to the background on that. We counseled the end of last year, agreed that we wanted, actually, we had to have the voters, Edward, approval of us doing it because it's a change of our bylaws. But we thought it would help with communication if a member of town council was on every board set in every boarding commission just to facilitate communication. I'm here to vote or tell you what to do. What does you know to hear from you, you hear from us and it's for that purpose. Right. I think it's great. We just We're new items. We just, for your information, we had an initiative is a board about three years ago, where we wanted one of our board members to attend every town council meeting. And it kind of went by the wayside. We had a hard time because most of us are going here. We aren't here. And then it would require sitting in on those meetings via the broadcast. So let me just add to that. I want to be on this board is a really important board. And I was a part time resident for many years. You guys, you people are a really important part of this community. And you know, you don't get to both. And this is really a great vehicle for you to communicate to town council and see, you know, they're on your mind. And that's really important. And so, I encourage you to take full advantage of that. It real thankful that Town Council took the initiative to send somebody. Yeah, it's true. And we never know who to go to what to say, how to say it. This way, maybe you can guide us absolutely how to go about this. The purpose. Yeah. Great. So we appreciate it. Delighted. I think looking at our agenda, I think I was not the last meeting. And of course, consequences that was, I was voted chairman since I was a president. I didn't mean to do that to you. It was unanimous. Yeah. Last meeting, there was some concern, based on Greg told me about potential crime in the village. And I think Davis here from Snowman's police to sort of give us an update on those issues and answer any questions we might have. Absolutely. Dave Hidley, I'm the assistant police chief. I've been employed at the police department here since 1998. So now we have about 27 years here in the village. So, and you be, give me a little grace. I will, I'm not a big numbers person and our record system is kind of hard to manage. I pulled a couple of statistics that don't really indicate much, but I will tell you that in 2023, we had a total of just over 4200 incidents with 666 zero arrests in 2024. We had 3,800 incidents with 42 arrests. An incident is anything ranging from a felony case that results in an arrest in a subsequent conviction to pulling a stuck car out of the ditch and everything in between. So there's not really an apples to apples comparison. Year-to-year things change. Sometimes it depends on technology. We are currently still trying to master mobile data terminals in our cars so that we can create and respond to calls without bothering our dispatch center. So, in a general sense, our numbers hover around that 4,000 incident per year range. We have not seen any area in particular rise. We have over the years seen at the Klein and the U.I. arrests. This is typically this group isn't the late night bar crowd nor am I for the I haven't worked a night shift in over a decade. But the bar crowd isn't what it used to be. I think we have one or two establishments that may be open after midnight. But that definitely contributes to the fact that we're just not getting those DUI arrests. Does that mean that nobody's driving drunk? Absolutely not. But when you have two people on shift cover in the whole village, it's kind of hard to pick them out sometimes. So that I think has been a little bit of a decline. The type of crimes that we're dealing with, this has been a trend, I should say incidents, not necessarily crimes, but this has been a trend for close to a decade now, involves a massive increase in dealing with mental health customers. We have a program called the Pitkin Area Co-responder Team where Mindsprings provides a clinician to local law enforcement agencies, Snowmass Village PD, Besalt PD, the Pitkin County Sheriff's Office and the Aspen Police Department. We all share that clinician. And when we feel appropriate, we call our Dismet Center and we say, send PAC-1, that's our kind of badge number, send PAC-1 to this call. And we actually have a licensed clinician that comes and helps with us, or I'm sorry, helps us on mental health related calls. It has been a godsend. We've, the program has yet to be able to establish funding to fund a second full-time clinician. We only have one, so we have partial coverage now. But the, the meat of this is that a lot of what we do is mental health. Those types of calls take a lot of time. They don't necessarily produce results. We have never been a statistic driven agency. We've never had a town council come to us and say why aren't you arresting more people? We're a problem solving root of community policing type agency and we're fortunate to live and work where we do with the clientele that we have. Some of the investigations that we have been working on in the last few years, it's a lot of internet stuff. It's a lot of fraud. It's a lot of bank records and productions of records and dealing with the courts and investigations have become a lot more complicated than they were when I started in 1998 and we used to write reports on a piece of paper with a pencil. We've got a ton of technology that's supposed to make our jobs easier but it adds a lot to what we have to do. Excuse me, and I'm not, what was us by any stretch. We still respond to residential burglarial arms, whether you're there or not. Right? We get a lot of burglarial arms. We get very few burglaries. And I'm talking hundreds of alarms and a number of burglaries that's less than 5. Generally, I think 5 for a full year. It's less than 5 for a full year. We have the alarms, we respond to them, but if people are not breaking into houses left and right, stealing things, it's more often than not. It's a business that gets broken into. We haven't had this issue in a while, but we had a couple of transient folks who would regularly, Jimmy, their way into businesses on the mall or in the base just to get in there and get liquor. So I heard from Greg that there was somebody that was concerned about a rise in crime in the village, and there is not that I am aware of, and I hope I would know. And if anybody wants to ask anything specific, I'm absolutely happy to discuss it. Some other things that we are always here for, We do the incision watch and anybody can come in to the office. I'm not sure that it's available online yet, but we do, you know, for full time year-round residents, we do this if they're going on vacation for a couple of years. I don't know that any second homeowners have ever signed up for this for, you know, a large walk of time, but I'm not guessing that you can't do that. And you said, let me ask you a question. Sure. That raises an interesting point in terms of our communicating to their concomers. Is that something that PD would want us to encourage second homers due? Because you could get in and date. Well, that's that's the thing. That's I as soon as I said it out well. Here we go's a service that we offer and we know segregate between first you know for full time you're around and second homeowners I will say that the more we get the the harder it is to do we are currently we expanded our police department by one position in 2025 the first addition to our staff in close to 20 years. And we're trying over the course of the last, I'd say five to 10 years, we have had to put some of the things that are really close to home for a lot of us on the back burner because we're dealing with a lot more work to get our tasks done with added technology. When I do a traffic stop now, it's probably start to finish a 15 minute endeavor. When I did it 20 years ago, it was five minutes. But now I have to log my bodyward camera footage and do a contact forum to send to the state to prove that we're not beating our citizens. And so there's a lot to that. And the things that have, because of that and because it actually takes people off the road, we're missing out on some opportunities to do some of the more community oriented things. I think this is how I have a stupid question whenever it's appropriate. Let's sit and go ahead. I was just wondering if there's ever been any consideration. I'm not necessarily suggesting there's a need for it, but to have like little stickers or something that say TOSV to help you all identify who are full-time or part- time residents versus tourists. And I don't know that that would help or not help or make any difference. Just like you and where would that where would those stickers go? I guess. I couldn't get back when she older something. Now because then that would that then we would be accused of profiling whether we pulled somebody along or not. Yeah, that's what I said. We can generally tell by the driving who's here. Okay. Got it. I'll just use me to get told over. I'm just going to say I'm a friend of Megan's. That's fine. One of the snow tires. That's it. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, Greg. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Greg. I guess where I was going with all that is some of the things that we really that make us who we are and give us the connection to the community are things that have had to take a back seat. As we have this position and we consider maybe doing a couple more over the next few years, it enables us to get back out and do those community oriented things. Homewatch is one of the things that has suffered a little bit. It also just hasn't been used as much in the last several years. So I mean, I would say when I started working here, I had lived in a village for seven years before that. I grew up in a small town of about 2,000 people. This is my home, right? And community, it was almost insulting to get sent to community policing training because it's just so organic here. Well, we're fortunate currently all of our foreign officers live in the village and that's one of our measurable goals for the police department as have as many people as we can that work for us link here and we find that with that we have a great relationship with the community we're all vested we really truly care about what happens here we're not just here in a bunch of time card get our hours and then head off to wherever home is. Yes. I think home watch may also had a shift in the balance because of home insurance, wanting home alarms and our alarm permits going up. And so there is a comfort level with an alarm system and maybe not the necessity of. Yeah, it's a little old-timey wherever you see things, but it is still a service that we offer. Is that documented on the website, the whole bunch of service? Do you know? I don't know. I'll find out. That's true. This is the first I've I've heard by me too. Yeah. But I mean, if we, in Charlie, if we got, if we sort of ordered this out to all the part time residents, you guys can end up getting delivered. So all here's just say we hit 75 people that sign up us to check their house for four months out of the year, we may get there once or twice. And so I don't want to provide any sort of a fault sense of security, but it's there. And the interest of full transparency, it's something that we offer. You know, the alarm stuff, I say alarm stuff because there's a lot to it over the years, it seems like the alarm companies have really sort of stepped up their game a little bit. They, even as far back as 10 years ago, we were constantly running to alarms. If we get a big wind event, we'll go to alarms for four or five hours. But just responding to your alarms again does not translate into people doing the various things. It's almost exclusively a property manager housekeeping somebody, some service provider, Ken Geerhouse did something that they were supposed to be doing, didn't latch the doors and the wind blew it open. Or as we will start seeing it a few months, the bears will get in. And one thing that, you know, if you have people that are doing remodels, this is just the personal thing that I've been trying to push for years is the French store levers look really nice, but they're hard to operate. If you don't do it right you even you could leave your door unlocked and every bear I think they come out of the womb now knowing that if you go like that on a door I think they're against code now. Oh yeah fantastic., it happened for a while, but there may have been smaller homes. Well, yeah, like we have someone who could have allowed you have lever handles on the outside of the house. And to back up the burglary thing, mayors are the biggest problem. I think it was comforting what you said is there's less than five break ins. Well, and five even would be alarming to me. well and if they're business on top of it, I think it came up at our last meeting was more that there's an increase in Aspen. Oh, that we were wondering, is there an issue here? And that's what you, I think, have answered a question that's not something we need to panic about that is happening in snowman's not, and the stuff that happens in Aspen is such high profile, you know, the latest one where they were filling through the wall. I mean, it's right out of Hollywood, but it's very, but unbelievable. Our, we don't have a single store of snowmen with items of that value. One walker off from the whole mall. One that we had a couple of years ago that we just dispossessioned and finally got property back to the business owner involved. No figure right it was right next to the marijuana shop over it's over at the center. Yeah, and somebody was trying to get into the pot shop and they really kicked the road door and they went into the shop next door and stole a bunch of computers and stuff. They are few and far between the common sense things, you know, have an alarm, make sure that it works, have a local contact. I'm sure that you all went through the arduous process of getting your alarm permits on our new system. Yes, I feel that a whole bunch of those calls and. getting your alarm permits on our new system. Part of it. Yes, I feel that a whole bunch of those cars. And unfortunately, it wasn't as efficient and easy as we would have hoped. It's the system that we got. And thank you all for doing that. I think the initial punch is a lot worse than the follow up from year to year. It's important to update your emergency contacts if they change because now with the system that we have, Meg did a lot of work integrating our system with our dispatch center. And so in the past, we had our alarm permitting system on an an aniquated software platform that it was almost impossible, even for our officers to access. So if somebody broke into your house or there was an alarm there, we were looking for an alert contact. We were hoping that, you know, back in the old days, there'd be a car take to the, to the front door. Now, I mean, it's, we're in the processing of getting everything into dispatch. So when the alarm company calls the dispatch center and they create the call for an alarm, I can look at the computer screen in my car and it says, Laura, Norbert Hodge, with your address, with your property manager, with the first phone number, second phone number, third phone number. And if you're changing that stuff, it's worth calling, Meg Grace said, or emailing her in our office and updating that so that we can get it updated. We have the best info and we're not calling you and waking you up somewhere. So I did look online. Homewatch is online under registration. I had a search for it. It was put here in 2018. Yeah, fell informed by hand and breathed. Yeah, he stopped to tell. We think this is one of those things that we're moving to moving to the cloud, but it hasn't quite gotten there yet. We actually have a three ring binder. And if it's my turn to go out, it, I take the three in binder and I drive around the village and I walk around the house and check the doors and and I sign off on it so it's it thank you for checking my work any others yeah I'm gonna say I don't want to take too much of your time any other questions for dad I've been a question. I'm on the board at Corsair and Schoenblner's Association. In the last five, six years we've had over a 50% turn older in new residents and old residents leaving. We also have probably over 50, 60% that are part-time residents and not around. One of the issues we've been working on with public works here with town council a little bit is speeding on horse ranch drive. The administration put up one flashing sign that hasn't done much. And the concern is we've got a 25 and 20 hour mile per hour speed limit. People are going double that. And there's lots of kids, lots of dogs, lots of everything. And we're sort of, short of speed bumps. And maybe that's what we have to do. Like they did on middle lane or middle road. We're at a loss. I think Mike Sir has talked to the police department and they basically have told us, you know, we'd like to help, but we're way too busy. And I think somebody did say, well, maybe we can have the odd time, a guy standing with a radar gun and scare a few people. But I don't think anybody's had time for it. It would be nice before we have a dead kid or a dead dog and then everybody's. And I think it's because of the turnover. They're new people. They're here part time. They're in a big bloody hurry. Big suburban flying flying up the hill. I'm nearly being hit three times. It's generally that lower such and it's the lower such. It is. It is. I mean, today I was out with the dog again, some guy and he's a, I'm sure he's a property manager. I'm going to get him because the fourth time he's nearly run me over. And he comes flying around the corners. Do you have speech signs? Postes yet. So we so the town public works installed one flashing sign. I believe it faces, it gets uphill traffic. And so there's that open, that wide open sort of part between the crossings and the first stream. And people are doing 35, 40, 80. There is a 20 or 20. There's a 20. There's a 20 sign limit sign. Yep then and then there's the flashing sign. And norbert, I can't say this unequivocally, but I believe the public works department is looking at putting a second sign further into the neighborhood. The way downhill. We do have speed survey data that I set up a speed or a traffic counter and we did speed survey. We've done at least one up there. I don't have it with me but but I will follow up with you. And if you're allowed to. Well I can share it 100% but but what it shows is there's a not an engineer so I'm gonna I'm gonna simplify this so that I don't fumble over it and make myself sound like an idiot. But there's a thing called the 85th percentile. And so what 85% of the cars are going is sort of what the speed limit of the road should be. And there are some outliers. There are some outliers. There's always somebody that's going 25 miles an hour over the speed limit. It's rare. But the 85th percentile believe for horse ranch drive in the locations that we did it was somewhere around 30-32. So I'm not taking away from anything that you're suggesting. As somebody who lives in the village and walks on the side of the road, I will tell you that a car that drives by you, the closer it is, the faster they're going, no matter how fast they're going. And so there are some cars out there that are going 40, 45 sometimes, but the majority of them are not, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. But let me pull that stuff and I'll give you a shout. It would be helpful. And then you can share it for sure. And if you communicate with all your residents, your owners would communicate it with their own owners quite a few times. We've talked to Anne Martin's, we've talked to Flynn Kinney and I think Mike Sirin talked to Alyssa Shank. It was in the last three weeks. I know Alyssa brought it up in the council. It was mentioned. But probably 80% of the traffic or a resident or people come on to see them or or or or or on torrentals, but I or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or That was a shadow of the value. Mike, Mayer, do you want to have a question? Yeah, apologies for joining late. I guess I would just share a positive feedback. I had a few interactions with officers in the department. I've been really impressed by their training and level of professionalism. One was actually a car accident in base village and it's a really great team. So I want to just thank you for everything that you do. I did also have a question. So when you open up a new possession when somebody retires or transfers out, do you feel good that you're able to get a You know good pool of qualified candidates or is anything that the town can do to help you in in recruiting? Excuse me first of all, thank you for the kind words. I agree. I think that That we have a great team and it's nice to hear that.'ll certainly pass it on. Our hiring mantra back to the 90s has always been and probably before that is we hire from within the community and we pick good people who know what it takes to live in a resort town that has some sort of established uh history and roots and it doesn't matter if uh your bus driver like I was a ski shop technician a ski patroller bartender bar fly doesn't doesn't matter we want good people all of them and we we have all of those some did multiple things there um we had a good people and we trade them. And I'll tell you the police academy's not rocket science. We do have, I think as law enforcement, one of the toughest continuing education regimes in the business and it's constantly changing at the whim of the public. So we are on our toes. You know, housing is is the is everybody's at the top of everybody's list right now. We like I mentioned, I don't know if you were on when I said we currently have all of our sworn officers living in the village. And that's a mix of employee housing rental, de-restrict restricted owner units, and some free market stuff. And I, that's huge. It is. It's amazing. And the last couple, the last couple of people that we hired, for a long time, we've always had somebody sort of on deck. You know, we're like, that's, you're going to pick so out of the sneak control. And we go to the person and we say, what do you think? And they do what I did when back in 1997, Sherry Van De Mark walked up to me as I was sitting next to the giant golden head at the mountain drag and having a beer. It said, what do you think about working for the police department? And I kind of spit up my beer and said, are you crazy? But we played that scene, right? And then we start a dialogue and then they go, they kind of like, I didn't go, well, geez, that doesn't sound like such a bad thing. The last couple of times we haven't really had that person picked out. But we've kind of come out smelling like a rose. We hired a guy whose partner lives here. She works for the Transit Department. He'd visited a few times. He had some history back in Pennsylvania doing probation stuff. So he did have to go to the police academy, go through his full training, but he was a pretty good transition. And our additional position for 25 was somebody who's been in the valley for 12 years, I think. He was an assistant manager at four mountain sports, quietly sitting on a double major of criminal justice and psychology and decided to put your degrees at work. And we didn't even know who she was. So we got a little lucky. The housing component is something that's always going to be tough right now or in good shape. I'm going to start looking to this some ideas about how we might be able to consider a priority for our first responders. There is one in the rental now, and I'd like to pursue some kind of a priority for our first responders. There is one in the rental now and I'd like to pursue some kind of a priority in the de-restricted owner units and I know without question that that's going to ruffle feathers and so you're the first group that I've mentioned that in front of and Brian Olson I kind of told him I was interested in running with that project and he said, go for it. So it's not something that I will take lightly or do with any whim, put a lot of work and do it and see if it's even worth bringing to the council if it needs to go to the council. Everybody's important, but we're the ones that come to your house at 4.30 in the morning and try to help. So maybe that will carry some weight. But as far as other things that you can do, keep coming and spending your money and supporting my habits. Keep your homes. Keep coming and visiting here. I love this community so much that it truly is a privilege to get to do what we do. I don't think you would catch any of us doing the job that we do anywhere else. We were drawn here for the beauty and the recreational opportunities and everything else that you get from the Roar and Fort Valley and we fell into a job that makes it all feasible for us. Dave, what is the officer headcount and total headcount of the department? We are at, we're at 10 right now. We'll have 11 when Ariel graduates from the Academy in May. That includes Brian and I, who are still gun-totan, sworn officers who go out and work patrol with the addition from Zedlocker who worked for us for a long time, moved to the sheriff's office. We filled his position with this guy Dave who's in his field training right now with the Ariel's addition and realizing both of their full potentials were hoping that Brian at least doesn't have to get out and do as much on the road anymore. But there's always a there's always going to be a patrol component which is kind of fun. It's nice to get out of the office and go out and get your hands dirty sometimes. But so in addition to I'm sorry so in addition to 10 sworn currently 11 if you count area we have two community response officers are animal control. They still assist the parking department a couple days a week with checking the numbered lots in the winter time because the parking department currently consists of a manager and one enforcement person so we're still helping them out and our police administrative analyst records manager general glue that holds holds the department together, make Braystead is our full time office presence. Total how many non-offices? We have 10 sworn including Brian and I, and it'll be 11 with Ariel. Right, but then I mean, non-offices, the others. Three, three, three, three, three get an animal control yeah yeah so we so we changed we used to call it animal control now we went with the the more industry standard term of community response officer I see you're down to one in that right just no no no Tina's still here. Tina's still here. Tina's officially gone in May. Oh, and we're currently in the process of a hiring process. We've had a ton of good applicants, some really good, some very local, and we're hoping to get that person hired a couple weeks before to leave so that she can impart some of her wisdom into that new training. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. We will participate in meetings with y'all. Your annual meeting, whatever you want. Whenever you want, Brian or I will be available. And if we're not by some stretch, we'll have one of the sergeants come chat. If there's anything specific that you ever need, reach out to to me and Brian and and over. I might have to text lower to get your number, but I'll pull up that info. And back to Ashley, why don't we just do this? Why don't you just keep me in email? And then I'll respond with that stuff and try to make it in a way that's easily digested. What is your last name? Hively H-E-I-V-L-Y. I've got a couple of things. I've got one for you. Yeah, I have no affection. I don't give these out. I just sit in the drawer. Thank you. I don't get paid by how many I get out, but that was a pretty good score. Anything else? Now we really appreciate your coming day. Thanks for having so much. Thanks Dave. Thanks for having me. Take care. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. The next item on our agenda is a survey. And I think they're two thing. Greg had circulated a survey. It was I think attached. The mega touch. And then I think they're, they're great and circulated a survey that was I think attached, the mega attached. And then I think Charlie had also sort of sent out some sort of sample questions. So I don't see. Oh, yeah. No, it's a attachment. I think. I don't know if everybody's a chance to see these if we're ready to talk about them or if this is. I also have it up on the screen. I'm sharing the screen so you can see it on your individual screen. This version of this is that don't the grid put together. Yeah, this is this is Christ. So this is not a copy of one that has been sent out in the past. I have no idea, honestly, I'm sorry. Greg gave this to me last Wednesday. He gave it to me like last Thursday. in the past. I have no idea, honestly. I'm sorry. Greg gave this to me last, what is today? He gave it to me like last Thursday. So that this is, I don't know if he's, I don't think he's dying since Thursday. Yeah, okay. It definitely hasn't gone out. I just don't know if it had ever gone out in the past. That's not something that's in my mind. I don't know. And we did one a couple of years ago. Okay, that's what I'm not going to write. That was before Greg. So this is probably an all new and fresh. This is great. Then we've got these survey questions to look at. I know that at our last meeting, I had suggested that all of our PeachGrab board members come in with a question, propose question that we would use in a survey. I sent out an email a few minutes before leaving to come here with a couple of questions. Don't know if anybody has any others. But I mean, I took a look. I mean, I had a couple of thoughts on the first three questions that Greg has there. I was going to suggest that we think about it. Somebody puts down that they're not satisfied with whatever. There would be then an open and. Please. Yeah. Yeah, suggest what improve it or what the problem is, just so we can get just finding out they're on satisfied. That's great. But let's, what's going on? And what do you think you can do better? Then the other two questions I had was, do we want to put something in? What are the key issues you'd like our committee to address? We hopefully find out what people are thinking. And then I said in terms of importance, please rank the following proposals in order, the housing up at the draw, transit center, shopping center, the circle at, down to brush creek. And I could just sort of get an idea where people find what priorities I have. Those are my only thoughts on it. Priorities would be important. I don't know where we, Charlie, you were sort of involved in this before I was and Greg's not here. Is this something we would like everybody to look at and come back for the next meeting with their thoughts on or where do we go from here? Oh, this is a great start. I wanted to kick off a project where we did send out a survey to the second homeowners. And coming up with the right questions and maybe also the right order and not having a survey too long, but also not too meaningful. So maybe I could see a couple of questions here that I would take off. You had a couple. But what let me suggest this. If let's say within the next week, just arbitrarily, a week, if everybody would just email their comments or suggestions to Greg and then ask Greg to do a turnaround, sending a revised one that sort of incorporates people's comments and let people take a look at that. That is a great idea. Like has a comment or question, Mike Meyer? Yeah, I was going to make a suggestion. I'd love to understand what's important to part-time residents, which is somewhat different than how do you feel like the way the world stands now? And I'd also like to understand what's the best way to communicate with them, right? Like email distribution, Facebook, group, website, I don't know, like you know, sort of kind of if we can kind of frame up their parties and needs and then maybe it can work backwards from that to figure out the best way to engage and where the best way to spend our time. Could you format those two topics into two separate questions and send them into great? Yeah, of course. Be happy to do that. Both of them. Both of them. Both are good questions. Yeah, good questions. And John, I like your suggestion. Maybe let's use a 10 day window. End of Friday of next week, say. Yeah, that's on one. Let's do Friday next week is have feedback. Where's that? Is it? I'm wondering what's the calendar? What's the date of March 7th? March 7th, everybody get response to Greg by March 7th. That work for everybody? Yeah. And then I'll ask him, I mean, ideally in a perfect world and I recognize around the perfect world, if we could actually get this done in time to even circulate it at the March 18th meeting. That'd be great. We could. There's no reason we could. If we can get everything to Greg and he can get a revised version that we can all approve. So then he would have like QR codes where people could do it right there on their phone. or something. Yeah. Who? I mean, do you have an email list of all the part-time residents? I think Greg. Greg has something. I don't know exactly what it said. You will. You have the ability to send it out. I would have to send it out if we could, but you know, we may send it, but also if we can just hand them out. Or if you are covered or something. That's done. Right. exactly what it said, you will, you have the ability to send it out. I would send it out if we could, but you know, we may send it, but also if we can just hand them out or you are covered or something that's done hurting. Well, we would definitely send the survey out. That was the point. Yeah. But that is the million dollar question that we keep asking how comprehensive is the email list that we're using? I mean, we really don't know the answer. we know because I mean I've I've hit friends and I'm sure you guys have two who said, I didn't know about that. I never got an email on it. So we know it's not perfect. But we're not sure how to make it. I don't know that there's a village. I guess I'm asking all three of you. Does a village have any way to to gather up owners names determined who's a part-time who is in every email contact. I know that there you have pick and county maintains a list of registered voters. So probably all permanent residents are voters, right? So if you have a list of all the residences, all the homes and you could But net out the ones that are voters, you would then have all the addresses that are per time. But I don't know. I mean, then a lot of the properties of a part time run by trust and corporations. Exactly. Yeah, right. You're not going to get pissed. That's right. I mean, I don't think the order would be perfect. We're just up to keep trying to question. And comprehensive. Do you, Megan, do you have any idea? Well, I know our voter registration does not include emails. So it's not like I can cross reference that. And one of the ways that we have made our outreach lists are through citizens getting onto our website and saying they want to be communicated with. And so just being able to continue to feed them there so that they can say, I want to know about town council meetings, I want to know about, you know, petra meetings, I want to know about EAB or whatever. That's, and they sign up to be communicated with, then we communicate. I mean, that's one of the main ways that we've had reliable. And I don't, I mean, if you put let's say, for argument-secure an article on the paper and add on the paper, I don't know how many part-time residents look at the local paper, particularly when they're not here, when they're sitting in in Boston, are they going online to read the Daily News? Well, you know, the HOA is probably... No, who's a resident? That's correct. The HOA's, no. They have pretty refined lips. What would she about a dozen HOAs? Right. And so what, you know, I did a couple of years ago, is I got the best contact for the HOA manager. Yeah. And then we added them to the list of who we communicate with and then we asked them to forward it. You have no idea if they are or not. Obviously sometimes I wonder. You should stop. So I actively go to those, HOA, have to go to them and say, look, we would like to communicate all the part of their resident. We communicate with your homeowners and see if they would like to be on our email list? The snowmass, you're on the snowmass board too, aren't you? Do they have, do you think they have a complete list with emails of all everybody in snowmass? I don't. Because if they did, that might be pretty good records of everything. Yes, they do, probably. Because I had sent me a bill over here. Yeah, So I know where to send that. Yeah. So it's it's they would have everything they would have the homeowner association. Master. I wonder if we if they were sure that list was us. But that's that was a negative one I have. No, Jean, I think is still president of some of the joy. Good morning, Burroth. Yeah, he was our president for a while. I'm sure he would be willing to. Questions, Katie, and Senator, a way to split out full time from part time. On that list, it'll be hard, but I think your suggestion about the HOAs, maybe we gotta reach out got to reach out to each HOA manager, but in our case, Robin and say, Robin, can you your best guess and have Mike edit it? And then... Well, I think you need to ask the owners if they want to give their contact information. We have it in the... No, I didn't even ask. You have to ask, but they want to participate in this program. Yes. Yeah. We have maybe I mean, I assume that each of home research, and does what we do and have an annual meeting. And now we don't get 100% attendance, but you know, we we couldn't try and encourage each other. We had a there annual meeting to have a sign up sugar, whatever it would be. With Fox run release, they're, they're in your email list. You're in Fox run one. Yeah. So I mean, we get everybody's email address. We know I would have to ask each homeowner, each part-time homeowner, would they be willing to be on the Petrae of email list? Which not a big deal. There should be like a form email that goes to everybody. Some people may be wanting to be in Cognito and say no, which I think everybody would want to be on that. But we have to respect their, you know, if they want privacy, right? I wonder, because again, I think a so- So, my association may have the most complete list of the homeowner. But you've got everybody. Right, but what if at some point snowman's homeowner sent out an email to everybody? Just like they sent out a bill down. And say we're trying to get a list for the part-time residents committee for the village to communicate what's going to get communication from you and give communication to you. If you're interested, please do, do respond that we can turn your name and contact over. But it may be that the Homeowners Association for Snowmassmass would be sort of the Controlled tower. And I think it's a little blurb of what petribs about which is Represent those people who they tax as year but don't vote Yeah, if they would like to be included all for respondents. That's almost like yeah I want that want that. Yeah. I'm so kind. It's John. We've got Brazil on life. One had a question. Yeah. Just on the survey and the questions. I like what Charlie added. I thought one of the questions on sustainability was an odd question for this type of survey, meaning like it honed in on a very specific factor that somebody should decide whether it's important or not. And there's so many other factors that are involved in development and deciding what services to provide other than just environmental sustainability. I just thought it was an odd sort of topic to sort of zoom in on. When we haven't agreed. That's more like a humidity-wide survey question. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And even the next one too. Yeah, but we're not asking, for example, do we think we have too much development or not enough development? I mean, you know, we're we're we're we're focusing on one facet. I agree with you Mike. Mike, I think you're right and I think when you respond to Greg just suggested maybe that's not an appropriate question. I think you make a good point. Did you guys see the next one too? Tom was just mentioning how would you rate the right thing? I mean, you said to thing? I mean, why are you doing the survey? Are you trying to learn how you can better respond to your constituent? Well, that's the objective. Yeah. Is that we communicate with Tom Council, but we do it in a vacuum. Right. And so my objective is to have a survey that will give us some guidance, to leave a poll on what the second homeowners are thinking. And I agree. So the question is the much more fine tune, right? Some of these are too general. Yeah. You're not for what we want. Right. But hey, this is a start we can look at. And all I'm going to do is suggest to Greg those on his list that I'd like to keep and those on his list. I'd like to delete. It is just your scribe. You guys are putting the survey together. Oh, yeah. But he's going to collect everyone's opinion, right? I'll get in mind, but unless we want to internalize it and not have Greg. I mean, I think Greg did this. I don't want to speak for Greg, but I did talk to another. I think he was trying to just get something out there. Right. Yeah, that's great. I mean, let him do the next step. And then you guys do the final editing. Yeah. I'd's a good point for very seven or March seven March seven. Also make those recommendations of and this is this is really sorry. Sorry to interrupt guys, but I got to jump off. Sorry about that. So, thanks for it. Okay, I think, you know, the next topic, but I do want, I really want to add another topic for Tom, but talking about Petra at Meg, is that something you want to talk about, Meg? Yeah, so just a nice little reminder that we were able to get the collective March 18th. We're going to do a 430 start time with Jeff. I always get his name wrong. Brooke, house, sir. Yeah, yeah. He's a sir. Bravo. Re, recount. Yeah. I took my cap once place. Yeah. Jeff. Jeff. Jeff is angry to talk. Good thing. That's awesome. So we'll do the same kind of like little stage that uh podium, um probably the mayor or um you know somebody else from the town. I'm sure the mayor will be there. I'll be there. We'll say a couple words and then we'll probably if anybody remembers we probably won't take many if any questions on the podium. We realize that that doesn't always become a productive time but Jeff and the council and stuff and you guys will all be in the room and we'll just direct people to, you know, we'll have you guys introduce yourselves or whatever and if you have a comment or a concern or you want to meet so and so then please stay until, you know, I think I've got the room until 630. What do we want to be the MC? I think in the past it's been the mayor. I mean, build it for several years. The mayor has been a speaker. I was MC. Were you two years old? You should be the chair. Okay. You're going to be here. Whoever's a tap. Like who's a tap? Yeah, this is something I'd like to know. Who's in town on March 18th? That'll be three. That's great. Mike or Mike, are you guys actually in town on March 18th? Oh, I'm sorry. I understand. Oh, I think this should be shared by you guys. Oh, yeah. Normally, I do. Yeah. Okay. All right, I'll do that. You can do that. I think Tom, we're really fortunate to have you here. And I know there are several issues that people have talked to about. And the ones I should talk about, the transit center, the, the, uh, golf, um, traffic center. Yeah. Can you sort of give us where council is on some of these things? I'll go through them really quick. Can you just stop maybe one more? So let's just start with the rodeo. We're all concerned. The whole rodeo project was intended to beautify the entrance to Stomest. It didn't work. Not going to why. What we're going to do, and we did get $500,000 of the budget for this year to try to fix that. So one thing we're going to do is one paint the stands. And we've actually approached, sawed the Arts Advisory Board. Maybe we have an artist do it. And the idea is not to make it a standout in your face art project, but something that makes it blend into the surroundings, you know, whatever. So there might be more interest than just a code of green paint. We're going to add additional landscaping. We're going, you know, one of the things that I want to say, we haven't finalized any of this yet, is I want to have a nice decorative rodeo-style gate where you drive into the parking area from from the roundabout. It's just open there. That should be a night. That should only be open when there's a need, which might either be for skier parking or for the rodeo contest in the year, it be a nice gate Well, and those are the three things we're gonna do there Draw a site There very very difficult site to build up. It's given to us by developer like 30 or more years ago As a planning gain because nobody could build on it. So we get a lot of those free, unbuildable sites, right? But anyway, always designated for employee housing. We've been working on trying to rationalize the design a little bit. And what we agreed to last Monday, we've seen lots of different options was to, to further, for further development, because it's an early stage of design, a single building concept, with right now about 64 or 65 units of housing, and maybe we can get a few more. Some underground parking, some on-grade parking, but one building, so you don't have this two building problem with the king in entrance and say, it's a better direction, I believe. And I think council all voting unanimously to continue forward on that. It's about 15, 20 million dollars, less expensive than the previous game. So that's it I think too. Are you feeling optimistic that the council be able to, you know, the next six months, whatever be able to get to a conclusion? Oh, absolutely. We got a really good council now. And we work well together. We don't always agree, but we come to decisions where movement thinks along. So, and right now there's just a lot of building project. We're the biggest builder in town, right, right now. So, you know, fortunately I got this background 55 years as an architect, so that sort of helps, I think. But anyway, okay, there it is. So by making the floor plate larger, making it an L shape, we were able to, um, in the, we have a height limit, get more units in one building and rationalize the parking and lots of things. So I mean, without going too much easier, but I think I feel good that we're going in the right direction now. Is this information available on the web? That's where I got to. I went right to the website. So I can go right to it. I was just down there. If you have any questions, feel free to you can contact me if any specific questions about it. Yeah, okay. About the architecture. The next one is end-to-site. Next to it, which is we've completed the work, completing the purchase, we're doing the paperwork of 2.5 acres, I think it is of 3 acres above the Snowmyst Center. The Snowmyst Center, Eastwood Properties, Jordan Sarac, got their approval to modify their approved design, scale it back. You're not doing e-housing, free market housing, no employee housing, just going to be the commercial in some office. And the space above up the hill from that, the town is buying for 12 and half million dollars from them, which we'll use for the deploy housing there. We haven't done any designs up there, but we probably get about 100 units of, I know, we're going to pay for any of this. Maybe go to V-Trader or something, I don't know. Now, on the center itself, I don't know what you guys are. People talk through, I don't mind the center. I have a post office bar, so I'm fine. But a lot of people really complain about, and they're saying when does this happen? I mean, do you have any sense from Eastwood when something's going to happen on it? No. Time is running out for him, too. Well, he's got, I think we have seven years from now or seven and a half years from now. Yeah, six now. Yeah, six years from now. But there was year and a half, there's, we gave him another year and a half. He was asking for another 10 years. We gave him, I think, seven or seven and a half. And all that means is that he's not subject to any change in the building code. His destiny is only protection of any changes in the building code of really seven and a half years. It's not that he has to build a start construction seven and a half year or he can build in ten years, if you want, but you'd have to then modify to whatever codes were in place at that time. It's pre-gates game. I think the town got a lot. We pushed for a lot of public amenity in there, meeting space, and I think that it's, there we get to build a much bigger post office. A lot of guarantees, but again, there's no commitment that he has to build it or if he ever will build it. So, a little confusion because I think a lot of us were under the impression that way back they had five years, got a two year extension, you're saying nothing on another. No, no, no, no. Well, I think originally when it got approved a little over two years ago, like November of 2020. I actually know it's worth it. As a November of 2020 when I came on to Councils just being approved. So he had a 10-year investing. Investing just means this building code thing doesn't mean the approvals retire after 10 years. But like as of now he has maybe like five and a half years left, right? Almost six years left. We gave him another year and a half on top of that. That was it. You won more, you won 10 years. Developer with no hooks. So if he does nothing then that we have no ability to enforce any of that. I mean it's just not the way the code is. It's there for some to start building exactly. And there's a hopefully believe there's any Sunset on the approval. I mean you built 20 years from nothing wanted to but you have to do it to the curves So on the topic of Workforce housing melt Blumenthal had an article just this week and in it he referenced a state mandated Survey that's coming out to find out what the true need for a- no, he was referencing a survey that town does every couple years with the town's moon employees. Correct. Like there's a bunch of hundred employees or something. Yeah, well that's yeah. And there was a surprisingly strong number of people who were comfortable to housing that. And that's what Mel was writing about. Now, what's your viewpoint on that? What are the things that make me better question? What are the facts? How many? We have. Well, I don't know all the facts because I just don't remember them all. But I know for, because we're gonna do rental housing up here on the draw side, there's over 200 people on the list applying for who are qualified employees. Meaning they work in snowmess village and working number hours, all that stuff. Over 200 people on that list. Waiting. Waiting. We just brought only 79 options there, right? Well, there will be a 64. So yeah, I'm for that one. Well, yeah, is that is that two building plan out the window? Yes, most likely. Because now we think a one building is a much better way to do it. We get 64 that try to find maybe up to seven. Was that a decision that's been made or proposed? It is a decision that was made on last Monday or Tuesday was that we're going to go forward and develop the design of the single building because it sounds a lot of the problems that the other project had. Now, nothing's thrown out. We are going to come to the public when we get this figured out, but this was the first time we saw the single building and it made a lot of sense and needs a lot more refinement and design. So we have other sites to build on. 100 units are so above the SOMAS center. There are other sites we can build upon. One of the things we're having a planning session and goal setting session here this week, but one of the things I personally and some others are interested, we would like to revisit our housing master plan now that we've learned more we've got the site up here. Things like that we got a lot of pushback from residents of part time residents but building on the upper lots and I think that was appropriate to push back. And I think if we're really not going to do it, we should take out of the plan because I think it's hurting the values of those homes to keep it over their head. So I mean, they're thinking like that we need to look at. So you said a couple questions on one. So Mike or Mike, which one wants to go first? Go ahead, Mike. And I'm sorry, I didn't. Is this Tom speaking? I missed the beginning of the meeting. Atomic, I ahead, Mike. And I'm sorry. Didn't is this Tom speaking? I missed the beginning of the meeting. Tom, I really appreciate you joining us and I appreciate your background and planning commission and working as an architect. I was just curious. You know, given the draw site, the steep slope, access utilities, you know, all the considerations. Is there a chance that town of Snowmass Village could get in over its head, right? That the complexity of the project could increase, you know, as you get into it. And all of a sudden, there's delays or cost overruns. That's the, I guess that's sort of the question I have with this. Yeah, and just because you were here, I'm here. I'll be attending the meetings as a representative from Tom council. We've decided to have a member of every member of council and every of the boards of commissions to approve communications. We're being pretty careful and conservative about the design and, you know, and we've got all the experts involved now, we have contractors involved with everybody, but you're right. You know, there's always risk. And it's an extraordinary difficult complicated site. Couldn't think of a worse place in billu building. But we are pushing ahead with it because there's strong consensus that people want to build a building up there. It was up to me, we wouldn't be. But if we are gonna build there, which might be as smart as we can, and that's why going down to a single building and said two buildings with a huge under your own garage between them just was impractical on that crazy site up there. But a single building solves a lot of the problems. It's still a complex project. It's a very expensive project. But I think we're going about it and that's what we can Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Um, Tom, thank you also. Um, I know that there's been discussion from time to time, um, amongst the town council about the intercept lot location. Um, what's your sense where the town is these days, the council is on any type of employee housing down there. All right. It's it actually is a good location in theory because it's a transit hub. It's owned by the really owned by the state. See that I think controls it. the county has parts of it. We don't have a piece of land there at all. It's complicated but we always often talk about it as a potential. So yeah, it's out there but it's really not in our, not our master plan because we don't control these. I think there's some private owners down there too, aren't there? There's some private land or there's a home there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the infrastructure isn't there, of course. Oh, that's the idea. There's no infrastructure. No, no, no. Any electricity, water, sewer. Well, electricity's there because all the electricity comes over there. The top water is sewer. 10 year plan identified 364 units required in the going forward. And do you have a sense for what the real requirement might be? You said there's 200 on that. Well, it is a tough number to get at. I'm a very emotional number. So the three on one, when we put the comprehensive plan together in 2018, which is what you're referring to. We identified that according to the math, there is a formula that was adopted 30 years ago, 60% of employees or something. I should live in the town or something. Nobody's going back to question whether that's the right math or the right formula, but based on that at that time, we need three inch six five units about. We're short that much. A few years later, town council, before I was on it, just made an arbitrary decision, let's just build 200 units. Let's pick a number that's achievable, let's build 200 units. Now, three inch 36 by units is about the size of base village. Okay. We know it's like, where are you going to do this? Um, well, on our goal of building 200, we first added 13 units of coffee place, which is the crossings, you know, and now we got the Phase 65 units at the draw side, we're talking about. We also bought the snowmass in. And our plan is to build, you know, run out the 200. That is the goal right now. Get to the 200. Is a problem you can never build your way out of? And by the time we build it all the housing, everybody thinks we need either we'll be bankrupt or climate change will be such. There'll be no more scheme. But we'll have that else. Right. So I mean, it's you can never it's like up building highways, you can never build yourself out of the problem. But it is something we need. It's something fortunate. Our community can support. We'll do that. So let me just quickly, if I can't move on to the Transips Center real quickly. Yeah, let's keep it brief though. That's many usually ends at 4.30 and I just can't remember that. I'd be very brief. I'm a beatingist five. So you're out here in five times. Oh, I'm okay. I'm going to go for it. Very brief. So as you know, there's an initial proposal brought forward, starting in 2019 of having the raft of buses and the shuttle buses all on one platform at the end of the mall where the raft of buses are now. In this fitting of 2023, that was voted down by the Planning Commission, almost unanimously, and the project died. Many of us thought the right solution. It was a shutdown because it was too big, it was too ugly, it was unsafe, many of us felt as untick as or make the turn to come back down carriageway, yet I enter the buses from an island rather than along the perimeter, like normal. So everybody, a million passengers a year, they have to cross them from 10-1,000. So I am. Well, many of us felt that a two-level solution was the right way to go. Rapt on top, shuttles below, credit courtyard, bringing it light and air in, make it nice, much smaller, physically. So anyway, we got to a point where we had, are now in agreement that that's what we want to do. We had a dead layer is a $13 million grant that we had gotten for this, for the original scheme that we're told we could still get if by March 3rd, we committed that we will go ahead with the project, regardless of we got any other funding or not. And we're pushing towards that, we're going to get community input. But what's going on within both the federal and state government right now, the likely to even get that grant and be getting other state grants, which we lost, but we're going to try to get again, seemed unlikely. And there's just too much of a shortfall, I mean, it's a $40 million project. we would have had with the grant like 24 million, but you know, $16, $20 million short and that was just too much risk. We figured out how we could do if we had to but then we decided it was important in this environment. So, by the line on Holt? No, we're going to finish the design, we're going to get a shovel ready. One of the problems we have before, there's an architect involved. We're going to have a higher-in-architect work with the engineers and make this thing as good as it can be. Get a shovel ready, look for funding, be ready to go whenever you find the money. I guess one last thing because I know I respect what you You said, oh, roundabout, all roundabout, on or off. All that's been approved by Council is the complete the design of the roundabout, which is proof. Goldies or whatever you need to know with the eventual building. With the $8 million has been set aside in the budget, build around about, but we have not approved it. And several of us are don't think it's a little surgeon project we have. And I would really like to know from P-Trap, will you guys think about that? Well, that's one of the questions, Tom, that I'm going to suggest a great idea to have to prioritize, you know, housing transit centers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom, that I'm going to suggest a great idea to prioritize housing, transit centers, lander valves. I'd like to find that out there's a lot of emotion on it. I mean, I had this conversation with Bill. I've felt like maybe there's a problem there less than 10 days a year, maybe a couple hours a day. Certainly, I'm not sure that you don't put a policeman there if you need to and that's a lot less expensive than $8 million. But I don't know if I'm right on my assumption. Well, you're absolutely right. And it is 10 days and just don't put a traffic light. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot cheaper too. But again, it's only 10 days even even even last week I was backed up past the fire station took me three minutes to get on the first break. Yeah. Well, I think I've Megan I know you and I you and I live that intersection. Yeah, right. I know everybody had gone over time. It's been really helpful Tom. I really appreciate it Dave Binger. Does anybody have anything else I want to bring up or are we ready to adjourn? Well, just if everybody's good, the letter that I wrote for the news. If everybody's good, I thought that was very... I thought that was a good idea. I looked at the game and I said there was something else. Yeah, I changed the date. I you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Our new chairman took us 20 minutes over. I'm sorry. I just mean we've had a five years. Exactly. It's time to fall. It's time to fall. You know what we've got. Somebody, apparently. No, we don't have a grime problem. It's no mess. I wouldn't hear from that face. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No.