you you you you you you you you the . Regular meeting of the city commission for Tuesday, September 10, 2024 will come to order. Please join me in silencing your cell phone. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Mayor Cleveland. Here. Vice Mayor Perine. Here. Commissioner Hartman. President. Commissioner Martin. Here. Commissioner McGurk. Here. Thank you. Would you please rise as a police department senior chaplain Bill Kitchen delivers the invocation. Father God, every time I get the privilege of being here, I remember with thanksgiving the people who are up here and the people who are back here. Help us all to remember that what we say and what we do, what we even think reflects who we are. And I pray Father, that reflection will honor you. Thank you for our first responders every day. Those who are here and those who are not, and their families protect them, give them energy and total protection for the totals. In Jesus' name I pray it. Amen. Please remain standing as Lieutenant Brian Cresante, 9-11 surviving firefighter from FDNY Engine Company 160, lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance in commemoration of the tragedy that occurred in Manhattan, 12 hours from now, 23 years ago today. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. May I also add, if God can continue to bless this great nation. Thank you, Brian. Thank you. We're seated. Lieutenant Chris Ante is a new Samurna Beach local these days and we're lucky to have him. Thank you. Thank you. Please be seated. Lieutenant Chris Ante is a new Samurna Beach local these days, and we're lucky to have him. Thank you, Brian. And now it gives me great pleasure to introduce to everyone the Volusia County 7th Judicial Circuit Court Judge, the Honorable Wesley Height, who will assume the position at the podium and will be joined by Jenny and Kevin Calper, our new city manager. Special treat tonight will all be witness to the swearing and ceremony of our new city manager. I need to know the version so I can read to. I'm going to make a couple of comments. First of all, I am Judge Wesley Height. I am one of your Valuescia County judges. Coming to this event tonight, I wanted to make sure to thank everyone up here for their public service. I've been a public servant for over 35 years. I'm a proud member of the New Sumerna Beach family. I'm also one of your canvassing judges. The canvassing board is the group that oversees the election and the counting of the votes. So I'd encourage each and the counting of the votes. So I'd encourage each and every one of you to make sure you vote and have your vote heard. So please do that. Again, thank you for your service. And I'm very much glad to be here with the opportunity to swear in our new city manager. So raise your right hand, left hand on the Bible. And I, Kevin Culper. I, Kevin Culper. A citizen of the state of Florida and the United States of America. A citizen of the state of Florida, United States of America. And being hired by the City of New Somernet Beach to serve as city manager. And being hired by the City of New Somerna Beach to serve as City Manager. Do hereby solemnly swear or firm that I will support the Constitution of the United States? I do hereby solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution of the State of Florida. The Constitution of the State of Florida. The Charter of the City of New Sumerna Beach. And the ordinances of the City of New Sumerna Beach. And that I am duly qualified to hold office under the Constitution. Then I am duly qualified to hold office under the Constitution of the State of Florida. And the State of Florida, the charter of the City of New Sumerna Beach, and I will faithfully perform the duties of City Manager for the City of New Sumerna Beach. So help me, God. So help me, God. Congratulations. Thank you, sir. Welcome to the floor. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have officially have a new city manager. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Judge Height. It's always great to see you, sir. Thank you, and your many capacities of public service. You're an inspiration to all of us. Thank you for serving, sir. This is your city manager. Do you have any changes to the published agenda? Yes, sir. In fact, I do. Just one change, if you will. I would like to move item 9D. That item is pertaining to the Women's Club. We'd like to move that ahead of item 8A. Yes, sir. That you couple of items for you. A couple of updates. I know you all are aware of the parking that we have been doing. We have a couple of items for you. We have a couple of items for you. We have a couple of items for you. We have a couple of items for you. We have a couple of items for you. We have a couple of items for you. We have a couple of items for you. A couple of updates. I know you all are aware of the parking concerns in Venetian Bay. I want you to know that I, along with other staff, have been engaged in meetings with GEO SAM to discuss this matter. We are awaiting some official information from them so that we can communicate that to you. We've also, as you know, been engaged in a parking study. You have an opportunity to hear that today. We will be presenting that parking study on September 24th to the public. That will start at 515. So we're excited about that study. Would also like to recognize that we have a new economic development director in Samantha Bergeron, Samantha Sia today. We're happy to welcome her to the city team. And I think if you have been out and about, you'll know that Flagler Avenue has been seen some utility construction that is ongoing through this week. And we've had a good bit of conversation with the county pertaining to the implementation of beach parking and what they're doing. So we are working to coordinate their activities and their system with the cities so that that is a seamless integration. So we've got some work to do there but we are working on that. And that is all I have, sir. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Now before we open public participation a reminder to all of us if your remarks are regarding anything other than the consent agenda or items on the administrative section. That is if you have an item to talk about that is in section 9, Shell Point, Deering Park, etc. Please wait to the public hearing, which will be this evening in this room. And then your comments will go on the record for that particular portion. Okay. So now it'll be time we are excited to hear what you have to say. This is public participation. Your monologue, not a dialogue, so we will not be responding to questions. However, the city manager and city clerk will take your contact information and it required. We will get back in touch with you. And on the following meeting, you will hear the City Manager talk about the response to the items that you had. He'll actually bring those forward and so you'll hear it in this room in two weeks time. You'll have three minutes to speak. When you come forward please you're dressing the commission not the audience and your name and address for the record if you don't mind. You have three minutes. The Green light will come on. The yellow light will come on when you have a minute remaining and then you'll be done when the red light comes on. So I'd like to welcome anyone for public participation. You need Pat. Good evening. You need to be in Pussquab, you know, three night and once a timbre lane drive. I'm going to go to the committee. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. You need pass. state's the 33 acre development at the end of South Timber Lane and wildwood drives South of Page Avenue. When this goal is reached, I am sure that it will make over 450 households in all of our states hidden pines, Corbin Park, Waterford Estates, and the folks on Page Avenue, South Timber Lane Drive, wildwood Drive, and South Wild Orange. Very happy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your comments. Good evening everybody. This is Don and Aaron Anderson, the five 69 Maytown Road. And we're here today because we feel obligated to sing the praises of one of your employees. In 2020, we started the Oak Hill Sports Club. There hadn't been baseball and Oak Hill for over 25 years. And unbelievably, this thing is grown beyond belief. Last season we had 12 teams. This are inaugural fall ball season. We have eight teams. But the reason why I'm here to tell you about this is because we started working with the City of Newsom or Beats athletic director and he has completely taken us under his wing. And we only have one to two teams per age group, where you guys have several teams per age group. And what he's done is he's co-opt with us. And now he's allowing our teams to play with the new sport of beach teams. So now we don't have to play each other every game all season long. We have six other eight teams we get to play. And they might not seem a lot to you the your guys' group and your club but for us and our kids and our families it goes a long long way to make this a very fun and meaningful event and and thing for our community. Oak Hill loves baseball so it's a very special thing and Mr. David Bergoon is the one who's made that happen. He's not only met with us for lunches and helped us to try to get Baybruth affiliated so we can all play together, but he also created a schedule that is absolutely amazing. This is all our teams playing together. It's 100 games. We can't say enough. We really, really appreciate it, and we feel like you should know what David has done for us and how he's helped our club grow to something very special for us. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Appreciate that, sir. Anyone else for public participation? Miss Caswell. Good evening, Janik Caswell, 1104 North Peninsula Avenue. And I am here this evening to ask, to move that first of all, to ask you all to please consider the implementation or at least the consistent use of some type of a community calendar that could be available both to residents and visitors to the community but also for city staff to lay over when there is planning that is being considered for city events or for special events. So you all are aware I'm sure there have been a number of events where there's overlap or conflict or in some cases There are just unintended consequences of events being held Either close together time-wise or geographically. So it's my understanding. I did speak to a few members of city staff It's my understanding that there is no consistent structure or process By which to look at what else may be going on when a special event is being considered. And that members of the Special Events Committee are looking at requests simply for their area of expertise to make sure that it meets the criteria for their level of expertise, but that there's not any kind of an overlay of what may be going on. So you have an instance of that on your consent agenda this evening and I wanted to bring it up. So I was, I raised those concerns to city staff. I was encouraged to bring this to your attention. So that's why I'm here. So again, please consider implementing some sort of a consistent community calendar. If you're interested to see what a great example looks like, I went online and Googled what winter park. I know we don't want to be winter park, but they have a great tool. It's very user friendly, and it's very easy to see whether you're city staff or whether you're a visitor or resident in what's going on. I'm sure my guess is that they purchased that tool, so it might be something that's the purpose of the public participation. I guess that's the purpose of the public participation. I guess that's the purpose of the public participation. I guess that's the purpose of the public participation. I guess that's the purpose of the public participation. I guess that's the purpose of the public participation. I guess that's the member of the commission have any item they'd like to comment on? Just comments will have a poll opportunity here in a second. Anybody? Okay. Anybody want to poll any item? I'd like to poll seven in. Seven echo? Seven in might Nancy. Oh seven in like Nancy. Got it. Oh yeah. Me too. me two. Okay. Anybody else on any of the others? Okay very good. So seven and and I would entertain a motion please to adopt seven Alport Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Gulf Hotel India Juliet Keel O, Lima, Mike, Oscar, Papa. So moved. Mochene and second, Madam City clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Martin. Yes. Vice Mayor Frini. Yes. Commissioner McGurt. Yes. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Okay. Consent agenda is approved. And now let's consider the seven N, which is the special events considered approval of joy to the arts event on in 2024 sat for Saturday the 14th of December. Commissioner Perri? Yes I want to ask if Rob could actually meet with this applicant and do look at the calendar because of the parking issues that we have. I know that and I was able to talk to the chief about this. You know, they approved it and went through all of the lines. But the problem might get, I get a lot of phone calls when we have more than one event, especially in the same area and complaints that we've been spending a lot of time with our parking consultants and can ask areas a big issue. And the parking is a big issue. So they have two events on the same day. I don't know if he can work this out but maybe talk to both of them and bring this back to the city another time. Gotcha. Commissioner Martin. I'd like to know what coordination has been done with the car show, River Park Terrace, and arts on Douglas to determine the impact if any on these businesses. City manager, it's okay if we have Mr. Salazar. Come up. So we're lucky to have director Rob Salazar, our leader of services here. He always got the inside scoop. Commissioner Martin, could you repeat that question for me please? What coordination has been done with the Car Show River Park Terrace and Arts on Douglas to determine the impact if any on these businesses? I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. coordination has been done with the Car Show, River Park, Terrace and Arts on Douglas to determine the impact if any on these businesses. In other words, for example, most people go from Cannabell, Long Magnolia to Arts on Douglas. And this would essentially cut off that. Sure. Visually cut off the pathway. And the Car Show could be impacted also by Yes, man, yes, so so the proposed special event application for joy to the arts Was a road closure for magnolia with Street vendors similar to the Festivals that we host for our fiesta Flamingo Follies, long those lines. When we review the application with the Special Events Committee, the city departments that consist of the committee did not have any issues with the application and went through the approval process, I did not take the application to any businesses directly on Magnolia. So that is something we can review and look at if that's the commission's wish. I would think that since the most obvious pathways to these businesses is being closed off that they should be consulted and And the other one is, again, the car show precedes this application. And I would like to know if the car show feels that they would be negatively impacted by this event on that day. So one has to do with having the event on the same day as the car show. The other is a general statement, meaning if they did it the following weekend, we'd still want to know if it made it difficult for River Park Terrace and Arts on Douglas to get their normal stream of customers or clients. So it's my understanding from my communication with the car show organizers that they had some concerns over the event happening simultaneously. So to answer that question directly, I believe they would be not in favor of the event happening simultaneously. Thank you. Any others? I have a couple ideas. Commissioner Harbin. So Rob, anytime we close the street, do we normally go to the businesses to see if they're going to be impacted in any way? Not typically. Okay. So this would be something totally new. It's not. It's been done before, but it's not standard practice. Okay. Thank you. What else? So Rob, we've talked several times you standing there and us talking at you from from here so we're sympathetic to the challenges you've got. I think there are three events that day. The annual Christmas boat parade is that evening, I think. And so cars will be positioning themselves around sunset to get down there. So there's three major events on that day in town. And I think we do the residents a disservice to make them pick and choose between events. And I'd like to find a way to de-conflict to make them pick and choose between events. And I'd like to find a way to de-conflict that we got an idea for you. But the car show, this one is a logistic nightmare because the car show folks will be set up blocking off canal as a exit for the vendors that are set up on Magnolia. And so I don't know how they're gonna get out, but it'll be a challenge. And then there's the incoming crowd that'll wanna watch the boat show and they'll be wanting to park all over the place to get a good spot. So I just think this is, and I'm sorry Mr. England isn't here tonight because this is his event and we could actually give him an opportunity to talk about it. Maybe you can do that offline and hopefully it will be, we'll find a better date for that. As a system, there are four organizations in town that have been willing to meet and try to synchronize the calendar. The Chamber of Commerce, FABBA, Canal Street, Historic Business District, and the Visitors Bureau, three entities. And I understand the business bureau actually has a very good software that has a calendar on it that sometimes people participate on. If I'm a new resident or longstanding resident in Simerna, I may not know all the things are going on I'd love to have a one source one true source of information where I can go City manager if it's okay. I would love it if you directed the staff to actually be the the truth sayer and the Solomon on this about Having all those people the this this this group of four folks called themselves the city connectors And they were going to meet on a recurrent basis and do the deconfliction of these calendars But nobody really owned the calendar and there was no one that could say nope you can't have one now No rob all things meet at leisure services whether you're renting the brand-of-center or having an event outside They've got to go through the break event outside that got to go through the, that got to go through, leader services. It just seems reasonable for me that leader services plays the role of Solomon and Deconflictor there. And I think there'll be some ruffled feathers early on because there've been events that have been on the same week for over and over and over again. But after we do this for a couple of years and de-conflicted people will find out they can't just add an event to the city calendar or to a calendar in our city without going through this process that hasn't been invented yet but and Rob doesn't need more as plate but this seems like an essential for us to provide the service back to our citizens. So, Mayor Cleveland, if I can respond to that, please. We have a calendar on the city website with all approved, open to the public special events that come through the committee on the website currently. So, we have an iteration of what you're seeking. We can fine tune that with some of the Brandon Center events that may be open to the public, things along those lines. So we're not necessarily putting on those private events onto the master calendar on the website, but we have that posted on the leisure services page, a calendar of everything that's come through the Special Events Committee, that's an outdoor approved event in the city. Yeah, I seek your opportunity to lead those four big organizations, big muscle groups in town because their events are for the most part on your calendar, but not 100% on your calendar but not 100% on your calendar and they have their own calendars. And so I'm easily confused over which one to go to and there's always something on one that's not on the other but if I knew that the one source of truth was the city calendar and I could find everything was going on and that you were calling the shots on deconflicting those boy that would really be a service to the residents. May I? Could I perhaps there might be a way to clear it through you, for example, I'm aware of the hub has an event the same night as the Museum of History and they don't both necessarily go through the leisure department. So how do we? So to answer that, if there's an indoor activity at the hub or the museum or whatever business, that doesn't come to my office at any point. So chasing that would be a challenge. That's a chance that one is going to be on either the visitor bureau calendar, the Chambers calendar or Fava or or a canalsary is my view. And those city connectors, those four people, they are outreach people. They will find all the other events and bring them to you. Yeah, if I'm a if I may, Mr. Mayor, I think we get the gist of what you're seeking here. And I think it's a reasonable request. And I'll get it with Mr. Salazar. Great. A range of meeting with the four organizations you've mentioned and find a path that we can better coordinate. Thank you, sir. We'll anxious to hear what you come back with. Yes, sir, Mr. McGurk. Thank you, sir. We'll anxious to hear what you come back with. Yes, sir, Mr. McGurt. Thank you. I just want to add a wrinkle to this. When I speak to the businesses on Canastery, the common complaint that I'm getting is that there's so many. So if we don't like two or three and one day, and we then start spreading those out, then what the business has been telling me that's worse for them because it's like then every weekend there's something where the roads get shut down or there's a large amount of people come in for something specific and their regular customers can't come in. So just one of the great things. The good news is their rep will be present. The FABA rep will be present. And the Canal Street business rep would be present. There are two of the four members of the city connectors, so they can speak for their group. Okay, thank you, sir. Thank you, Rob. I'm city attorney. Do I have to defer? Do I have a vote to defer that? I Like to make a motion to defer that. I don't think I actually said that and I pulled it. Okay. That's good cover as their second motion to defer the item Seven in special to a date certain. Yes, ma'am. That'd be fine.uate the next commission meeting. Is that enough time for the city manager or do you want more time? No, I think that'll be okay. I'll defer to the next meeting. Is there a second? I'll second for the record. Continue to September 24th, 2024. So moved. Yes, I'll make a motion to continue to September 24th, 24. Thank you ma'am. Perfect. And. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great. Great.ton. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Motion carries. Okay. As the city manager requested, we're going to move item 9D forward before we consider 8B. And that could be because they're related 8 A and B. 8 A and B. So this is ordinance number, so we're doing number 90. It's going to be moved forward. Ordinance number 4524. It'll be conduct a second reading in quasi-digital hearing, which is approved, rezone the property by adding a historic overlay to the property located at 403 Magnolia, Madame City clerk Madame City Attorney Would you please read 4524 for the second time by title only Ordnance number 4524 in ordinance of the city of these Bernabéach rezoning point three plus or minus acres of property Located at 403 Magnolia Street to add the historic building overlay district Providing for a quasi judicial public hearing providing for conflictingances, providing for severability and providing an effective date. Thank you, Madam. I see senior planner Mathan in the batter's box. Bob, we're ready for your report, sir. Yes, Mr. Mayor. So the property is located on the east side of Magnolia Street next to the Lotto Avenue overpass. Some highlights of the building includes the construction date of the building which was around 1924. Also the building was the original clubhouse for the New Smirner Beach Women's Club. The building was used for club meetings and social events. The building has multiple destinations, including being individualistic on the national register of historic places. It's also contributing structure of the New Smirnded Beach National Registered Historic District. And it is also a previous winner of the Don Deen Miller Preservation Award. And it currently also has a local landmark destination. The property is owned to R5, which is multifamily residential, and currently has no on-site parking, finally the city purchased this property in 1990. So it is a historic building overlay district. So basically in 2000, the city of Newspaper and Beach amended the land development regulations to establish a historic building overlay district zoning classification. The historic building an overlay district zoning classification. The historic building overlay district is specifically intended to assist the reuse of historic structures that may be threatened as a result of zoning or other development restrictions. The overlay is also intended to promote the preservation, restoration, and the reuse of historic structures by existing underlying zoning districts use and district regulations. So four properties have been approved for the HBOD in the past. They include the Indian River Lodge, which used to be on South Riverside Drive. That designation was actually removed in 2004. 532 North Riverside Drive was added in 2011. 223 Crawford Road was added in 2015. And in 801 North Atlantic Avenue was added in 2016. So on the 1983 Florida Master Site File, Mary Ann Peters, which was the historic site specialist with the Florida Department of Transportation, listed the architecture as Mediterranean Revival or Emission Style. She listed the estimated data construction at the end around 1924. Also in that file in 1984, it was the opinion of the State Historic Preservation Officer that the building was eligible for the National Raster based on the building's architecture and the association with the Town Civic function. On 1986, the updated Florida Master Site File completed by the historic property associates at a St. Augustine, Florida, also listed as type of construction as Spanish with an estimated data construction as 1924. That report also stated the structure of the show up on the 1924 San Boran Fire Map. So the New Sworn to Beach Women's Club was organized in 1911, and they incorporated their club in 1917. And in the early years, the club met at the Gabel's Go-Mass store, which was at 409 and a half back in Oye Street, to raise money for their future clubhouse. The club organized tea parties, violin and piano concerts on Saturday afternoons, and the club invited ladies from the Reavista Resort Hotel which was later known as the Indian River Lodge. So by 1918 the club had approximately $1,200 so they purchased a lot, 61 is 62 from the owner of the General Merchants House store that actually was the building that's located to the east. So after visiting the new Daytona Beach Women Club in 1922, the new squerned Beach Women's Club went into permanent clubhouse at their own. So in 1923, a committee was formed, and they selected a construction plan for their new clubhouse. The estimated total cost for construction was going to be around $10,000. So eight local businessmen donated about $100 a piece. And with that donation and other forms of money, they had around about $3,000. And Mr. Webster, which was a fidelity bank loan the ladies the rest of the money. So the clubhouse was used for fundraising events to repay that loan. The events included yearly bazaars, musicals, flower shows, art exhibits, and lectures. Also the girls reserve clubs also used that clubhouse for their meetings and civic units and the civic uses in the clubhouse included political gatherings, receptions, church services, and recreational classes. But in 1934, a fire did break out in the Clubhouse kitchen, so the club hired Harry Griffin, which was a Daytona Beach architect for the renovations. Actually Mr. Griffin was one of the most important architects in Florida from 1925 to the late 1950s. His work locally included the Daytona Beach Post Office, the Daytona Beach Junior and Senior High Schools, a YMCA building, the original news journal building, the Peninsula Women's Club, the Cornelia Young Library, and the New Spring to Beach Shock Club. Yoss was involved with state and federal buildings including the State Hospital in Chattanooga, Florida. So the New Spring to Beach Women's Club was one of the earliest clubs that was tight in the area and in its heyday they had approximately 300 members. The city needs more to be purchased the clubhouse in 1990 and use the facility as a civic building and to help cover the cost for the budgets the city leased out the facilities for meetings private parties weddings on property beds including the yearly lines clubs cheeseburger paradise. So when the plan apart we're seated in the application for rezoning our staff will review that application for consistency with a city's comprehensive plan and the city's land development regulations. So I have to review the application against the city's comprehensive plan. Staff would propose that the application was be consistent with the following, element 13 which is historic and archaeological preservation element, objective five, policy C, V, D, and F. Also objective seven, policy C and E, and element 15, economic development element, which was objective four policies A and B. So after reviewing that application, yes, the city's land development regulation, that application would be consistent with the following. The historic use of the building being a semi-private or public club is allowable as a special exception used in the R5 Multasone District. And other special exceptions uses would include ALFs, churches, daycare centers, garage apartments, inertia homes, private, and public schools. So, staff also reviewed if the change in zoning would affect adjacent or closely related neighboring properties. So we looked at possible noise and traffic could be key issues. The building had been used as a civic club or a semi-private club or venue since 1924 with a break in the last few years. And since there's no permanent on-site parking, vehicles have to be limited to on-street parking in our own Magnolia street and Riverside Drive. Or there is some parking available that is under the bridge. If venue activities were resumed at this location, there could be a neighboring properties that could be affected by noise. So the existing noise currently that they have come from current traffic noises generated by the overpass. There's also a hospital operation with a helicopter pad across street that could generate noise. And there's existing commercial operations north of the overpass on Magnolia Street. So the plan-up part reviewed the land of elk regulations and the components of the plan for consistency with the application. The plan-up part was found at the application is consistent with element 13, historic preservation element and element 15, economic development element. Also the proposed use would be consistent with the historic uses of the building. Staff would suggest that a state of Florida marker be placed along a Magnolia Strait acknowledge in the Wimmes Club, similar to the marker that we did for the Gabority Canal on Riverside Drive and the Terminal Grand Canal. That's on state road 44. So on June 3rd, 2024, the plan is only board voted six to zero to give the city commission a positive recommendation that the application meets the physical development of the site and acceptable expected impact on the adjacent properties in the neighborhood. And on June the 12, 2024, the historic New Sport and Beach Preservation Commission also voted 5-0 to give a positive recommendation to the city commission that the building and the site does have historic and architectural significance and That is the summary of the staff report subject any questions at the Commission's meeting. Thank you sir Appreciate that for your report any questions for mr. Mathan Vice mayor Robert the historic apartment complexes that are right there under the bridge. When I've been by there, I see that those tenants usually park under the bridge. They do have, they do have, they do have, they do have their parking. The bridge is open for all general public to park in. It is, but what I've seen when I walk around most of those parking places are taken by those tenants that live in both the those apartment complexes, correct? I don't drive by there at night. When I drove by during daytime, there was hardly any vehicles underneath the bridge, probably four at the most. I also noticed that when I walk, I usually park there, and I have in a lot of years in tenants or usually park in there. So we haven't had events in this building in how many years? That would be a question for the leisure service. I'm not sure. We're not involved with the rentals of that facility. I believe the last time somebody was there was 2019? There you go, 2019. And when we did, I believe Rob told us that that 2019 we didn't have a lot of events because it was city-owned and we had some issues keeping that rented like we do with the Brandon center we have issues keeping that fully rented and 100% or 85% So the women's club was an option for low cost rentals if somebody wanted to rent a facility I have a sheet back then we charged $40 an hour to rent that facility during the weekday for a Saturday rental from 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. It was $460 for the day. If you want to rent it out on the Sunday for the entire day, it was $310. If you want it for the whole weekend, it was $800. There was some fees like $100 security deposit. There was $100 for taking chairs up and down and if they were going to serve our call we charge additional $100 fee if they were serving our call in the facility. But I guess the concern then more than we did in 2019. I don't really think there's any more parking problems and if we actually operated it ourselves like we did prior to 2019. It was rented out a lot. We had special event committees and we'd have large events that were there and they used parking on the street. So I don't see whether the diversity of the city owned it and rented it out or if it was private being rented out. None of our facilities are 100% rented every weekend. And it is a small facility. We did reach out to the leisure services about the impact they felt would happen with the brand center and they said they really didn't know if there would be any impact because it's a small facility compared to the brand center facility. Okay. My last question is I mentioned Cheeseburger and Paradise and I remember from attending those events that those were often held under the bridge. They least up the building and they extended and closed the roads off and they did extend underneath the bridge for their events. Yes. So is that something that if we approve this that the applicant will always have to get that approved to have that spread out underneath the bridge. If they want to expand their use outside of the boundaries of the property they'd have to have permission for the City Commission. So they'd have to go through a special bit process. Every single time. Correct? Yes. Okay, thank you. Anybody else with questions for the senior planner? Thank you, Bob. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. The applicant here have any comments? Curtis Hodges, 620 Riverside Drive. Yes, I would. I have agreed with the city that I would take over. I know some people had a little problem with me not paying with a originally based the appraised amount on but that was based on the land but the building needs close to two million dollars put into it and I am willing to do that and I want to make sure they understand that I am also accepting the grant that the city took out of $2,392,000 that I will keep that also and I will take care of that for the next five years. I will make sure that the building is renovated to the standard that it was originally agreed upon with the state of Florida. And also that I will keep the insurance in place to protect both of ours investment into this property. And I will carry out also the vision for the Women's Club. I probably won't keep the name, the Vision Club. I want the Vision Club, the Women's Club. I probably won't keep the name, the Vision Club. I want the Vision Club, the Women's Club, but it will be called the Magnolia, and I will love to be affiliated with the Women's Club, and if they're welcome to use it, it will still be a venue for the entire New Sumerna Beach, and I would love to have all the support that I could from the staff. This is an unbelievable chance and something I can give back to my community. I have talked to my kids and this will be paid through, through my trust that I have put aside and they are very excited also. Thank you sir appreciate that thank you. Sure any questions for the applicant? I just wanted to get clarification if I could on the grant money that I thought we were because we were executing the covenant with the city prior hopefully to surrending the deed. I thought the city was going to get that money back. That's city manager, assistant city manager, and I know this in space. So we will get the money. What Mr. Hodges was referring to is in the covenant agreement, the state wouldn't agree to a force measure clause, meaning catastrophic event if it was damaged, they didn't allow that in there, which would indicate that we would have risk of paying that back if the facility was damaged by a natural event, fire, or whatever. Mr. Hodges is agreeing to carry us as a beneficiary under an insurance policy of an additional $362,000 to cover the city's obligation in the case of a force measure event. Okay, so there are functionally two different groups of money we're talking about. One is a beneficiary on the insurance, which is separate from the grant refund, hopefully. So we'll get the grant refund. And after five years, we satisfy the terms of the clause. It's ours forever to keep. If in some case, there is a force-missure event that demolishes the structure- The insurance takes over. The insurance will take over to reimburse our obligation back to the state. Okay, that's great. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Any other questions? Vice Mayor. I'm not sure if this is for Mr. Hodges or for Ron, but with that agreement you did with the grant. Is it just the outside that you have to keep this history? You can pretty much do with whatever you want with the inside. That's great. The inside, I will say that. The inside will stay exactly. It will be more beautiful and much more up to date, just like it. You know, everything is, it's just going to be up to dated, new bathrooms, new kitchen. I've already got all the estimates for the flooring to be done over, the exterior to have the remaining, to have the same type of stock. It will be probably painted in different color. I'll put a different tile on the exterior of the building landscape. I really don't have no secrets here and I want any input from the city, the staff, anyone to be glad to give it. There is nothing here that I want to make this the best project for both of us, okay? Follow up. One more question. To answer your question regarding our commitment, our commitment to the state is only on the exterior appearance. Only on the exterior. Yes, ma'am. If down the road, how long do you have to keep this building before you can sell it? I don't think that had anything to do with it. I think I had to get an approval from the state of from the city here to sell the building But we don't want to sell the building we this is this is gonna be passed down This is a generation thing that I want to do for my kids and for the City of New Spern Beach. What about a liquor license with having an event? Do you have to have an event? Have not even discussed that with anyone. I mean, I don't know how that's even handled. I understand that the way it's been handled in the past, it's been done through the venue of the, oh, I don't want to say the, whoever rents the building, they have their own license to be able to serve alcohol in the building. That would be a caterer's license. Caterer's license, it has to have that. Just like it's been in the past. And with the caterer's license, do you have to apply that for that every single event, or is it a blanket one? The caterer holds a license from the state to serve alcohol at their events, that they're catering. So it allows them to move from place to place and be a legalized licensed server of alcohol for strictly for catering purposes. Mr. Hodges would not be allowed to keep liquor on the premises under Caterer's license. Actually, he wouldn't have a license as a caterer. The third party caterer who's supplying the event would have the license. Is that the same way the Brandon's enters held? Correct, correct. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Commissioner Mark? Yeah, I was just wanted to verify on the contract and I wanted to quickly read it again to verify. It appeared to me that we might want to execute the restrictive covenants before the contract, because I know we have to, the has to Execute the covenant with the state But then doesn't that belong to the deed which we then transfer over the contract the only relevance to the contract is if the Commission wants to $391,000 you execute so timing is irrelevant so if we don't execute the restrictive covenant then mr And you execute the contract covenant then Mr. and you execute the contract Mr. Hodges has no obligation to us. No I understand I was looking at the order in which they're presented tonight. It looked a little bit sort of like we needed the HBOD before any of this made sense. It seemed to be. The zoning needs to go first. Okay. That's the advice we have from the attorney as well. Any other questions for the applicant? You have a chance for closing remarks or thank you for your comment. We'll have a public hearing now. The public hearing is open. If there are any citizens who wish to speak, please approach the podium. Name and address for the record, ma'am. Hi, my name is Stephanie Reese. I reside at 209-1 Waterford of State Strive. Good evening mayor, commissioners and staff. Thank you for the time to comment. I know Mr. Madden just sort of gave you an entire history, but I am part of the historic preservation commission. So I'm speaking on behalf of them. During our discussions, we've agreed that the best way to preserve this building is to be sold to a private owner, and that would allow for the historic building overlay district to be applied to this structure. This would also allow continued use as a venue, as it was intended, as you saw from the history analysis of that. So by allowing the continued use the proposed buyer as he's just proclaimed has agreed to renovate the building to its previous glory. So I'm just here on behalf of the commission for our support and we wanted to let the city commissioners know that we are in support of the application to add the requested overlay to be attached to this property. So this structure can be preserved for future generations as the potential owner has also proclaimed. So thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate your comments, man. Anyone else for public participation on this topic? Good evening, ma'am. Good evening. Robbie Gibson-Miner, 2839 South Asiano Court, and I'm here representing the New Smyrna Beach Residence Coalition, and we just want to thank you for all the work you've done on this and for Mr. Hyges for come and his family for coming forward to preserve this national register of historic places building and enhance our history and economic development for future use of that. So thank you and we support this highly. Thank you Robbie. Appreciate your comments ma'am. Anyone else for public participation? Seeing none, public participation is now closed. Mr. Mayton, any closing comments for you sir? Closing comments by you? Applicant Hodges? OK. So it's now up to us to discuss this. Anybody with comments? Ma'am. I do. Getting this building off of our books and having the expenses removed is a huge plus for all of us. Getting this into our tax rolls is a huge plus. Renovating and saving a history building by a probability is another huge plus. When you weigh all of these, there's a lot of pluses there. My only concerns with this is our parking and traffic and noise because it's actually a neighborhood. So when I originally looked at this, I wanted to approve the contract for him to go forward, but it just doesn't feel right to keep it at his event center because of the problems it's going to create in the neighborhood and the noise. Most of my phone calls for Zen1 is another event place on Riverside. It's on the weekends and the police is called off. And so my phone blows up on Saturday and Sunday. So now you're giving me another zone one with a lot of problems. And then I also have a concrete. So noise is a huge issue for me. And I don't think it was rented as a lot when those two apartment buildings were renovated. It was a little bit before the time of when we were doing the cheeseburger and parrots in that I used to go to all of the women's club Christmas parties and events. And I love the building. We had acoustic issues and it wasn't. And it is often is a lot of our other buildings. So I'm very proud of Curtis Hodges for stepping up to the plate and doing this and also our staff run for being able to get us a grant to bridge the difference. And I realized the money wasn't as much as we want but we're going to get back more than we had planned with that grant money. So it's been a hard thing for me to decide what to do with this. It's not an easy thing because I was going to say yes to them part of it and no to the other part but I don't think he's going to want to do something else with the inside of that building other than an event center. We originally did the overlay in a time period when we needed businesses to thrive and we had ample parking. But we're not there right now. We just met with our parking consultants in Canala's Busting. And we just delayed an event because we're worried about parking and traffic. And I lived in that neighborhood for a long time. So that is my only concern. As I'm really happy that the citizen is doing that, but the future he's scares me. Appreciate that. Any other comments? Oh, just a question. Just like what would it help if there were a maximum occupancy that we could set? I'm asking. I don't know. I would think he would want to make an ROI. I spent $2 million on the building. So if I were him, I would want to have that. No, I wouldn't. Occupancy question might be the fire chief's lane, so we'll get a reading from the fire chief Well, there's that but there's also the you're concerned about noise and parking if we had a maximum Occupancy is typically set by the fire code based on the venue and what the what part of the code of fall learn be it an assembly Educational facilities on my we cannot arbitrarily reduce Occupancy it's based on square footage and the use. In this case, it would be an assembly. And square footage would determine what the occupancy is. We can't do that. I think there was some arbitrarily reduced. I think there was some misunderstanding that wasn't what I was asking from the fire department. I was asking if we, department if we had any conditions could assign it to a lay vice mayor perines concerns. That was it. Separate from the fire code. I appreciate that. Any other comments or questions? Not seeing any. I'll offer that we've got an opportunity. It's been a long road to get down here. I'm very sensitive to Commissioner Prins zone challenges with what's going on on canal and how we deal with that and how we scientifically solve the the challenges of parking and what have you noise that Commissioner Martin brings up can be covered by the zoning noise regulations that are in place all over town the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of New York, the city of many around town who said, please don't let this thing get torn down. And there's a heart for it as it is, as the structure from the 1900s once was. So I think it adds to the coastal community feel that we have, the neighborhood feel that we have here. And I love the history of Bob recanted the history of the building. I'm looking forward to great days ahead for 403 Magnolia. Is there a motion? I would entertain a motion. Move to approve. Second. Motion in the second Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. Yes. Vice Mayor Perine. No. Commissioner McGert. Yes. Commissioner Martin. Yes. Vice Mayor Perine. No. Commissioner McGurt. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Thank you. The motion carries. So now, tanned amount to that is administrative item 8A to authorize the city manager to execute a commercial contract between the city of New Silverham Beach and Carter Pressley launched trust for the property located at 403 Magnolia. City manager, we're ready for your report, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Just a short history of the road we've been down with the Women's Club in 2019. We held our last event there in the city began the process of trying to rehabilitate the structure to bring it back to usable condition in 2022 the state of Florida gave us a grant of six hundred thousand dollars to assist in the process of rehabilitation Unfortunately, we went through the bidding starting the construction process unforeseen circumstances were discovered on the building in terms of degradation of the facility that made it beyond the city's means to financially finish the job. At that point, the city commission decided to put it out on RFP. And the hopes that an individual would submit a proposal to renovate the structure back to its historic use and utilize it as a historic venue. We received two proposals from the RFP, one of which was for $85,000, and would demolish that clearly didn't qualify under our parameters. The Carter Presley-Linnell Trust submitted a price of $225,000 with the commitment to operate it as a historic venue. Since that time, we've negotiated the contract. We've accepted the proposal, and you have the contract for your consideration. The contract is for the $225,000. Mr. Hodges has agreed to renovate the facility in accordance with the RFP proposal. He's also as previously stated, will place insurance policy to cover the city's commitment on the restrictive covenants amount of $391,460. So we were able to get that 317 because, excuse me, the 391 because of Mr. Hodges' commitment to redeveloping the project in a historic manner. The total money realized by the execution of this contract and the further execution of the restrictive covenants would get the city approximately $617,000 back on this property. Thank you, Mr. Niberk. Appreciate any questions for the assistant city manager. I would entertain a motion then to approve the authorizing the city manager to execute a commercial contract between the City of Newsom or the Beach and Carter Presley Limbaugh. Trust for the property located 403 Magnolia. I'll pick motion. There's a motion. Second. And a second Madam City Clerk. Please call the roll. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Commissioner Harvman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. Yes. Place Mayor Prin. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Thank you. Item 8B is to consider authorization of the city manager to execute restricted covenants located from the property located at 403 Magnolia, your report, Mr. and the out of the library. This is a covenant that would be placed on the property as a requirement of getting to 391,000 from the state of Florida in reimbursements for the grant. There's a five-year commitment to maintain the property in a historic appearance. I've already discussed the forced measure issue in terms of Mr. Hodges maintaining the insurance. To cover our five-year obligation to reimburse the state, should the state execute the force measure provisions if it were damaged in a force measure incident? The covenants are transferable. If for whatever reason, I know Mr. Hodges committed that his goal is not to sell it, but if circumstances required that it be sold to another entity that could five year commitment transfers to any subsequent buyers. Any questions for the assistant city manager? I just have a comment. I want to make on it. I want to thank the city and Carl Hodges for putting in on his RFP. I think that nothing's perfect. This could have gone in a lot of different directions, but the building is going to be retained and it's going to be fixed up and Mr. Hodges, again, thank you and this community is watching what you're going to do with the building. We're all going to be very interested in making sure you keep it with the historic integrity we all hope for. Thank you. Any other comments? Okay. Then I would entertain a motion to approve authorizing city manager to execute respective covenants for the property at 403 Magnolia. So moved. An emotion. Second. And a second, Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. Yes. Vice Mayor Prin. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Motion is carried. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. And now we're going to consider item H.C. The Pavilion rental and indoor athletic fees. Any setup required for this, Mr. City Manager? Just to say Mr. Salazar and his team have done a really great job here, getting out of the box and looking at these facilities to maximize the use of our facilities and we have some wonderful facilities and to help offset some of the costs that we have. So this will be a six-month period, test period, and Mr. Salazar's got all of the details. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. Director Salazar, we're all yours. Okay. Thank you, Mayor, Commission, City Manager for the setup. Tonight I am presenting to you two pilot programs that we would like to test out and leisure services and partnership with maintenance operations for the Pavilion reservations or the next six months. I'm gonna start with the Pavilion rental proposal. So currently the city has a large inventory of pavilions. The pavilions are utilized as a first come first serve basis. And these pavilions require routine maintenance from our maintenance operations department every day. Over the past year, the leisure services department has received multiple requests to reserve these pavilions. Currently, there is no reservation system in place to reserve the pavilions. What we are proposing is beginning October 1, it's starting in fiscal year that leisure services will offer pavilion reservations to our rec track, web track, software platform. These reservations can be done online or in person. The leisure services department will facilitate the reservation process then communicate and coordinate with maintenance hops to have the millions reserved, clean and prepped, have signage posted in advance of the reservation. How the workflow would proceed, would be the customer would complete the reservation process online or in person. Legal services staff would receive the notification of the reservation and then forward that to maintenance ops to place on the calendar. We would include the signage that would be necessary to post at the pavilion. Maintenance ops, empties trash, blows off grounds, posts sign for the reservation, et cetera, at the pavilion the morning of the reservation. the would refund the damage deposit. Currently the city has four large pavilions I tried to classify each pavilion by a large pavilion, medium pavilion or small pavilion. What we're proposing for this pilot program initially is rentals at Rocco Park and Riverside Park. Those two were selected with discussion from maintenance ops about what would be the most sensible pavilions to launch for this pilot program. We also have large pavilions at Holland Park and Indian River Lagoon Preserve Park. We have five medium pavilions that Wilder Park has one and there's three at Boinevista. And I also classified the Riverside Park as Ibo as a medium pavilion. And then the pavilion inventory includes 12 small pavilions. These are mostly beachside, at beachside parks with about one picking table under each of them. Some other examples of municipalities doing similar things with their provision reservations. Valuesia County has a large provision, half day full day option along with small pavilions. So they have fees for non-county residents and county residents. This is all through their website that they booked these reservations through. Additionally, the city of Port Orange has similar, a similar dynamic and opportunities for residents and visitors to rent their pavilions through their website with a variety of pavilions ranging in size through their website. And then Edgewater has large pavilions and small pavilions available on their website. And then Edgewater has large pavilions and small pavilions available on their website with half-day blocks of four hours available for each pavilion. So here's kind of a snapshot of what I got from the other local municipalities close by. I reviewed Edgewater Port Orange and the County. I also surveyed Daytona Beach and Horn Beach. Their Pavilion inventory, price structure ranges, depending on the size and the anticipated attendance of the Pavilion you're proposing. I couldn't really classify them into small, medium, or large, but I did get information from their departments. So what I'm recommending for pricing structure, recommending a non-resident, non-county resident, a Volusia County resident, and a city of NSB resident fee structure for our pavilions. I'm offering the county resident rate structure because some of the facilities are funded through eco grants. So what we're proposing is a six-month pilot to introduce pavilion rentals at Rocco Park and Riverside Park in partnership with maintenance ops. We would post signs to the locations advertising and promoting the these opportunities are available and if this is successful we could potentially incorporate more pavilions to be available for rental later in FY25 after we review cost analysis, how the volume of reservations are coming in and stuff along those lines. So after we see how it's going we could potentially roll out more or scale back just depends how it goes. So that's pavilions. I'm going to go on to the indoor athletic pass and then take questions at the end if that's OK with you guys. Perfect. So the next component and the next pilot program we want to introduce with leisure services is a daily indoor athletic pass. So currently, leisure services host indoor adult athletics at Babe James Community Center and City Jim. The Babe James schedule includes Pickleball, Basketball and volleyball. And the City Jim is primarily Pickleball, but we've also hosted basketball in the past. So some examples of other municipalities doing something similar to what I'm proposing. City of Port Orange has a daily pass for adults, seniors and youth, a monthly membership and an annual membership. The City of Orman Beach has a non-resident fee for daily passes, annual memberships for over 50, and annual memberships for under 50, and no fee for residents. Bavard County, I included them because that's where I was employed previously before coming here, host daily passes at their community centers with a $2 visits per day or pass of 12 visits for $20. And this was very popular at the different centers there. A snapshot of what the attendance figures at each of the venues for each of the activities look like in FY23. We had about 200 people play pickleball at Babe James and that's not 2700 different individuals that's 27 reoccurring people coming through the doors. Think of it as 2700 $2 daily admissions. Basketball had about 700 Babe James, volleyball had about 500. And then city gym, our most popular activity of everything we had, about 7200 participants join us to play pickleball at city gym and about 200 for basketball. Just some very rough numbers, just showing what a forecast could look like for anticipated revenue if we charge strictly daily fees based off the total of about 11,000 participants annually we could generate anywhere between $22,000 and roughly $33,000 if we had a $3 fee. That's just a quick To give you an idea of what it could look like. So what we're proposing in the grand scheme of it, we want to propose a daily pass option for $2 residents, $3 for non-residents, a monthly membership option of $15 for residents, $20 for non-residents, our potential annual membership of $80 for residents and an annual membership for non-resident of $100. Based off feedback we've gotten from participants who come to play at our facilities. This would be received positively. We've had some surprise in comments from citizens who are surprised we don't charge to come to our facilities and we do have free access currently. So this is kind of a snapshot of what it would look like for our pass. We propose pickleball, basketball, volleyball. We'd also like to incorporate some table tennis into our activity offerings recently. Well, not recently. Bits been brought up to me of why don't we have evening hours at City Jim. This would provide some opportunities to have structured programming going on at City Jim in the evenings. We're looking at having evening hours at city gym Tuesday through Thursday during the week. So we'd have either pickleball or basketball or volleyball something going on in the gym and then in the multipurpose annex room we would have an exercise class happening simultaneously as well like a Zumba yoga tai chi something along those lines to maximize staffing to maximize the opportunities we have available to the community. So these four activities of the basketball, pickable volleyball, tail tennis, they'd all be included in the past option. If you bought a daily pass, you could come to any activity that day, monthly pass, you could come to any activity that month, and an annual pass, we give you access to any of this for the year. And that's what I've got. Thank you so much. Any comments or questions for Mr. Salazar? Pleist me. Your slides showing the labor and the trash and that type of stuff. What are you anticipating? I saw the revenues anticipated but the net profit. Sure. So I sat down with David Ray, our maintenance ops director and the the ask for the reservations in the trial period for Rocco and Riverside. there's not an additional cost. It's within the current scope of what the staff does because they go to the parks every day, they check the park for cleanliness, they check the trash. So this is just making sure, it's like a double check. And then posting a sign. So there's not anticipated additional expense, necessarily to implement a reservation system because the meat of the works already being completed. Thank you. Thank you appreciate that, Commissioner Hartman. So I'm assuming that this information will be put on the new calendar that we're going to develop right so that I can look and see if my pavilion was already taken today. If it was open to the public. Okay, and the other thing is, with the indoor sports thing, did you check with the Y down in edge of water because I know they have a lot of these programs? The Y does have a lot of similar programs, the Y requires the membership. So this is similar to the, it's not 100% apples to apples, so this would be, this is a more wide variety of offerings from a daily and monthly and an annual. So it's kind of allows us to give somebody an avenue regardless of how long they're going to town or how long they want to play or, you you know depends on their interest. Did you consider including the splash part in any of these? Either small pavilion or? We did not include the splash pad in this proposal. That was something we have been looking at though. Creating more of a package to offer like for birthday parties or for reservations for the splash pad. That's not included in this plan, but that is something we've reviewed for. Okay, and then here's the biggie. Are there any of these facilities west of Colony Park Road? So the answer is no. Thank you. That's interesting. Commissioner Martin. I'm not sure if it's a lot of people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking at the people who are looking out the people who thought that it was business as usual, first cup poster. Sure. So to answer that, if this is approved, I would like to launch a, not a campaign, but a notice, you know, social media posted on the website post signage in the parks to get the word out that this is what's happening effective ideally October 1. We'd also we've run in the issues with that in the past when I've had pavilion reservations previously. What I've done and had success doing is we have the police non-emergency line posted on the reservation slip. So if there was any issues with I'm not getting out of this prevail and this is first come for a survey reservation signs posted. Here's the non emergency line. Obviously we'd coordinate what she felt when his team, this is what's going on, this is the plan. So. Yeah, that could be a problematic transition. So that would be something we'd assessed during the trial period to see how that's that's working mission McGurk Rob great presentation. I like it. I agree with that. I think it's a good idea Glad you put it together one question about the pickleball because the pickleball dominates the usage To put it even in my only You the pickleball hours, the most of them are during the day, during the week. You only have one night and pickleball at night is the most popular for anybody who works. And my question is, can we figure out a way to get another night of pickleball at that city gym? To answer your question, yes we can. That is a, basically it's a draft plan. That's the meat of the plan. I've talked with staff about what are we going to propose and what are we going to offer? There was discussion about having a second pickable night, potentially on Thursday in lieu of volleyball, because we've had some volleyball openings, and it hasn't necessarily taken off as much. So. Yeah, we get so popular on Tuesday nights that sometimes there's a number of people who are frustrated because they wait so long. They wait an hour to play a game. I'm very well versed on how popular pickleball is in history So if we could get another night that would be wonderful you and I can I'm gonna stop having to hear about it now full disclosure. I will admit it is my wife who feeds me most of this information So you know what they say happy wife happy life. So come on please work with me. We can work on that Thank you, Rob, and I like everything we're doing here. Appreciate that. Thank you. A really good job, Rob. You and your staff have put together a great make sense plan for the future of what the town should look like. You found a way to slightly monetize something that's been taken for granted for a while so I'm delighted to hear that. And also you didn't blow it out. You took input from residents. You took inputs and checked out the local area and figured out what others were doing. So brilliantly executed. Thank you very much for appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. is there a motion to adopt his system and the recommended fees. I'd like to make the motion to adopt it. Second motion a second any further discussion? Madam City Clerk please call it roll. Commissioner Martin yes. Vice Mayor Brie. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Commissioner Harbman. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Thank you very much and thank you director Salazar. Thank you. On item AD which is a review and consideration for approval of a proportionate fair share agreement between the offsite roadway improvements that are required for impacts caused by the development on Arduja, formerly known as Shell Point. The PUD phases one through four residential district. There's a total of $2 million plus dollars to be paid toward roadway improvement for Sugar Meal Drive and Pioneer Trail. Both are county roads and state road 44, a state road by FDOT. I see Mr. Gove in the batter's box. Anxious for your report, sir. Sure. It seems like the title that you just read pretty much wraps up to report the. In this case, it's a proportionate fair share agreement between the city, the county, and the developers of Shell Point phases one through four, which are the single-family lots that are proposed, a total of six hundred and eighty-seven single-family lots, and this is a necessary step before they can record the plat and start selling lots So they would need to get this approval agreed to by the city the county They've already signed it on their behalf and pay the amounts that are needed so The TIA that was originally done for the subdivision back in 2023 has been updated and the new cost amount of We've only done for the subdivision back in 2023. It's been updated and the new cost amount of over $2 million reflects that. Questions for the planner? Jeff, this money's coming from outside the city, right? Yes. It's from the developers. Pardon me? The two million. Yes. It's from the million. Pardon me? The $2 million. Yes, it's from the developers. Very good. Awesome. Any other questions? Very good. Okay, is there a motion to approve the proportion of fair share agreement? So moved. The motion. Second. And the second Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Place Mayor Perine. Yes. Commissioner McGurt. Yes. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. No. I'm being sorry. Yes. Sorry. I'm so sorry. It's a yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Thank you. The motion carries. Okay. Thank you very much. Jeff. I think you're up to the next one, but we're going to get an intro here. Madam City Attorney, would you set this up for what in essence we're going to do here with this 9-8 the quasi-d judicial hearing? Yes this is a approving a plat you all previously approved this plat not too long ago at that time it was known as the Shell Point plat they're coming back through prior to recording they have decided to change the name of the development to our DZ Park. They are looking to change a few of the lot lines and dimensions for three different lots and they are changing the name of the plat like I stated and also a road. Same as before, it is quasi-judicial but it is almost ministerial in that. These are the things you're looking for. The check list of the lot and blocks laid out. And Jeff can go into the details. Thank you, ma'am. The public hearing will be conducted to consider the approval of these minor revisions to a previously approved but not yet recorded final plat for shell point phases one and two including the renaming of the plat and the area as Ardisha Park authorizing the mayor to execute a contract for the plat recording. Closet digital hearing is now open and chief planner Jeff Grove we we're ready for your report, sir. Yes, thank you. This again deals with the what is now called Ardizia Park, the former Shell Point PUD and residential subdivision. It's five phases, the fifth phase is the commercial part that's along Pioneer Trail. That is exempt from what we're discussing tonight as far as the plot. That fifth phase is going to be dealt with at the end of this process. So besides the name change of the plot, a couple of street name changes due to that. And the other item that has been requested is to modify slightly the boundaries of three lots within the first phase. So they can accommodate the model homes that they want to show in this area. Two of the lots are being slightly widened and others retaining its current width, but they're just being realigned slightly. This is not a replat because it hasn't been recorded. So these minor revisions are through our process and they're ready to record as soon as possible. Thank you appreciate that. Any questions for Mr. Gove? Mine is just curious. Is there a different owner? Now it's the same owner, different names. Yes. Thanks. Is the applicant present and have anything to offer? Thank you, Jeff. Sure. For the record, my name is Glenn Storch. And yes, you could understand why you think it'd be different owner, but no. The problem was there was a shell point project on the west coast. And it was considered to be too similar in name, even though shall point colony so they had to change the name but everything else is the same, the owners the same, the number of lots. The important thing for you to know of course based on Jeff's testimony is that it's consistent with the comp plan, it's consistent with the zoning and it's consistent with land development code therefore a plat should be ministerial. Thank you. Appreciate that. Any questions for the applicant? Very good. So any member of the public wish to speak, we're gonna open the public participation. Anybody has a comment? Now is your time. Seeing none, public participation is now closed closed any closing comments from the city or the applicant Very good Cos I digital hearing is now closed So our motion to approve the minor revisions so we've talked about for the final plot for Shell Point. So moved. Second. Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. Yes. Vice Mayor Breene. Yes. Mayor Fleetman. Yes. Okay. On to item 9B. Am I in the right? the changing future land use from agricultural forestry resource and conservation to industrial mixed use on approximately 1,618 acres of land located south the state road 44 in west of 95, 95 known as Deering Park Innovation Center. Madam City Attorney, if you'll read ordinance 3424 for the second time by title only please. An ordinance in the city of News Merna Beach Comprehensive Plan, changing the future land use designation of 1,618 acres plus or minus located south of state road 44 west of I-95 from city agriculture forestry resource and conservation to city industrial mixed use. Providing for amendment of the associated comprehensive plan maps providing for required transmitters providing for public hearings providing for conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date I see our development services director at the podium. Shane. We're anxious for your report Thank you mayor. Good evening commissioners I carry just for a point of city attorney a point of clarification Do we need to do the text amendment first? Does it matter? It doesn't matter. Okay. So, this agenda item in the next one are related. So, I'm just going to do one presentation and then I'll have a slide up at the end that's got them both and then you can take action on this way. a year now, but the plans have actually been brewing in the community even longer than that. I will go over a little bit of that. In a nutshell, it is a approximately 1600 acre mixed use, industrial mixed use, residential mixed use with some commercial plan unit development with 400 acres of a natural vegetation area and up to six million square feet of non-residential structures. It's located south of state road 44 and west of 95 where you see the yellow star on the screen. There's three approvals that need to go through this body and west of 95 where you see the yellow star on the screen. There's three approvals that need to go through this body in order to make this happen. Your last meeting, you took number three and you continued that to October. That's the actual PUD, that's where all the details are, where the lot sizes and the setbacks and the building heights and the mix of uses and all those things. So that's really the big one. Right now we're looking at tonight number one and two and the first is a text amendment to allow this area to actually be consistent with the comprehensive plan. We need to add in it as basically a location that can be attributed to the industrial mixed use future land use category. So that's the first thing. And then the second is to actually amend the future land use map to allow industrial mixed use. Now once those two things are in place, the mix allowable to rezone it to a PUD for industrial mixed use, but we can't get there until we get these two things done first. I want to add this is a map in our comprehensive plan. This area long ago was designated as a South Village neighborhood in our comprehensive plan. Highlights in the comp plan, this was annexed in 1995, 1995, and its future purpose was for major residential projects, with significant open space and new urbanism design principles. And new urbanism is what you would think of it, Towns Center Venetian Bay, which is dense walkable community with pedestrian and bicycle friendly. I know you've seen this slide, but I'll just run through some highlights for folks that have not seen it before. Some of the major milestones that helped get us here was the News Mournabeech Economic Development Advisory Board, hosted a public workshop, October 28th of 2021, over 100 participants were there, lots of surveys as well. And the top things that came out of that were goals of diversifying the tax base, enhancing utilities infrastructure, and ensuring a quality labor pool. The overall idea was to diversify the economy so that it's not solely reliant on tourism for our city. In February of 24 of 2022, it was the first place I can find that this site was actually located on a map. On October 25th of 2022, the City Commission approved the South East Volusia Regional Economic Development Strategic Plan. In that plan, it identifies this site as an area to focus on west of I-95 and south of state road 44 as a master plan class A industrial park. So that was approved in 2022 and 2023 we start talking with the property owner with economic development and property owner. It started having some very high level discussions. And then those picked up with a series of meetings with development services, city managers office, economic development, and other players where we began developing a concept plan. And then eventually last year, I'm sorry, this year they submitted a formal application and began going through the process, which gets us ultimately to here. Here's a snapshot of the Southeast Flushing Economic Development Strategic Plan from 2022 that the city adopted. You can see that this area is identified and calls it out as a during park mixed use areas industrial and commercial. What you see here is a concept plan, what's been the culmination of all this work that's been going on and it shows in purple where the During Park Innovation Center is. That's where light industrial and tech centers would be allowed to locate in the red areas that would be commercial mixed use. And the residential areas are dense, close to the Innovation Center, and then as you go out away from the Innovation Center, they become larger lots. Some highlights, 423 acres of the innovation park, 136 acres of mixed use commercial, 26 acres of mixed use residential, 343 acres of rental village, 60 acres of regional sports park complex, 18 acres for city police and utilities, and over 400 acres of regional sports park complex, 18 acres for city police and utilities and over 400 acres of natural vegetation areas. Again this is talking a little bit about the process, lots of meetings with the city manager's office and other players. Eventually when we got it to a concept plan that had enough meat on it. We sent it through a pre-application meeting and let all of the City departments comment on it and give some feedback on the front end. Then they made a formal application and then again everyone got into it a little bit deeper along with the traffic engineering studies and eventually it got sent out to over 40 agencies at state level, county level in every municipality and county had a chance to look at it. We're not looking at storm wonder tonight. We're not looking at any development plans tonight, but I am just going to bring it up because that's one of the things that everyone wants to comment on when we're looking at big developments regardless of this one or anywhere in the city. But this would have to meet all the standards that everyone has to meet where cannot discharge any water offsite post-development than what's modeled for on the current development or as it's undeveloped. In addition they've agreed to a stormwater bond which is very rare but they've agreed to do that and they've also agreed to ensure that any water leaving that site would not go north towards Venetian Bay it would discharge to the west and to the south and to areas that they've already set aside for conservation. So what we're looking at tonight is to add the industrial mixed use to the future land use element so that can be applied to this site and it has to be in their first. Currently, we only have industrial mixed use on one site. You can't see it very good here, but it's the vacant the property that we have in the city. We have a lot of things to do with the property. Currently we only have industrial mixed use on one site. You can't see it very good here, but it's the vacant property with the rail transfer station adjacent to US one. That's the only property we have anywhere in the city for this type of use. So if we're trying to attract any sort of light industrial or any of the space or tech industries, this currently is the only spot they can go. And for some reason, the site is difficult to develop. And no one has tried to do that yet. We have seen some concept plans for some housing, but we have not seen any real interest from the industrial sector. So in addition to adding that to the future land use element, there's also some language proposed that would limit the amount of non-residential uses to 6 million square feet and residential units to 2,150. So that would be one of the things that you're voting on tonight, the text amendment for that. And the process for that would be, it's already been through the technical reviews, the planning board got a recommendation to you all for approval and now we are at second reading. The second piece of this is to get all of the future land use of this site into one category and that would be the industrial mixed use. So first you add it to the future land use element and then you look at the map and you get it all consistent. And so those would be the two things that you're looking at tonight. Again this, the second application has been through technical review. It got a positive recommendation from the planning board made it through the first reading With city commission at that point in time it went out to the state and was Distributed to over 40 organizations that had 30 days to comment on it That's been done. We received no negative comments from any of the agencies that reviewed it and now we're at the second reading The last one again would be the, we'll come back to you in October for the PUD consideration. And so there's really no need to get into all the weeds and the details of that because it's not even being considered tonight. But that one would also have gone through the technical reviews. It's already received a positive recommendation from the planning board But that one would also have gone through the technical reviews. It's already received a positive recommendation from the planning board. And at the first reading, you all opted to continue it to October. So with that, staff is recommending approval for both of these. And one is ordinance 4224, and the other one is 3424. The applicant is here with their legal representation as well as traffic engineer and I'm sure they have a presentation to give you as well. Very good, thank you very much. Shane, any questions for the director of our planning organization before we get development organization questions for the director of our planning organization before we get development organization before we get the applicant's presentation. Just hand those to the city clerk, please. We'll get them. Guys, I'd like to run the meeting. So you'll just wait your turn, we'll get started. Any questions, please? Just for the, go the go ahead. Just the question of what we really have three very different issues as you've stipulated. But we are talking about during park innovation center as if it's an entity that exists. And if I understand correctly, it can't really exist until we pass the PUD and the MDA. And so my concern is how to take out the fact is this comprehensive plan and future land use, or theoretically generic, that would apply to more than just this entity which is a concept. So I'm having great difficulty. I know it's the concept of Deering Park is predicated on having this comprehensive plan change and this definition to our future land use change. But we incorporate this Deering Park innovation center into what should be ordinances. We've inextricably tied a concept to ordinances. You know, I don't think you would find, for example, the Spring Hill suites as an entity in any of our municode or is Venetian Bay clearly identified in our municode or our comp plan, but this would be. This will be the definition for the future land use or for the mixed industrial specifically references during park. And I think of definitions as being more generic than that. So I get a little confused and I think so many of our friends and neighbors have gotten confused and don't really realize the separation between making a change to our comprehensive plan, making a change to a definition in our future land juice, and then approving a project. So. Any insight that you might offer the commissioner on that? Sure, I looked into this earlier. If you'd want to. Go ahead, please. Yeah, so during parks, just a generic name, it's not tied to farm turn farm to north. If you would feel more comfortable calling it an industrial mixed use development planning staff could do that. Just the motion maker would need to tweak that language but it's whether you call it Deering Park or New Sumerna Southwest or I mean it doesn't really matter. Well it does have a name in the comprehensive plan now. It's all the South Village along with Ocean Bay. Right, and we've done that for South Village as well. So I'm saying it's not a venom. That's not really a matter we need to mind ourselves with. However, if you just aren't comfortable with that, you can use that generic name. I am uncomfortable embedding what amounts to what will be a private business in our city ordinances and our... But the entities name is formed in North LLC. That's the applicant name, but we refer on all our legal papers like CPA 1-24 has a title that refers to During Park. So I'm just saying I'm uncomfortable with embedding a specific name, project name, in what would be generic city ordinances. So I mean, it's sort of like saying, you know, I don't know, Joe Smith is the only one that's allowed to do X, as opposed to saying this is an allowable activity in some zone. So it's, it may be subtle, but it's, it's, it's a pretty permanent change to put the entity name in the city documents, particularly since we don't have a PUD or an MDA yet. Let's see the city attorney. We have an opportunity tonight if we decided to call it. You could. You could and it's not tied to that developer. So anybody could come along and they could rename it from Deering Park to something else. So hold that. Lisa, and if you want to bring that later, we can have that as motion in a minute. Any other questions for the Director of Dell? I'll sort of be comments for Hartman. So Shane, thanks for the presentation. You mentioned that all of these items have been the pre-app meetings. Who generally attends pre-app meetings? That would be typically all of the planning staff, as well as newsroom to beach utilities, engineering and building. Okay, are there any citizens that usually attend these or? Sometimes, they're welcome to. All right. I'll follow up on that before we move around. So who was on and how many were there? Oh, I don't know. I could go back and find out. I'd like you to find out. Yeah. We're receiving a variety of emails that say this is being rushed through. We didn't know. And if there was a pre-app meeting which was advertised, it has to be advertised, right? No. Nope. He was holding. All right. So I'd love to know who was on for that. Because any citizen can get on I'm not sure if you can find out if you can find out if you can find out Well, sort of along that line, I mean, I think we'd all have a whole folder each of emails that we've gotten in the last week about this with people feel that they're being blindsided. And Commissioner McGurk brought up a workshop for the PUDMDA, but I think it would be reasonable to include these two items in that workshop because they are three inextricably intertwined. Plus if we should pass the comprehensive plan and the land use change, that leaves sort of a no man's land before the pud, if and when that is accepted. And I notice that the future land use refers to industrial, just as industrial, 65%. Does that mean that Belvedere fuel terminal could come in tomorrow if we pass this and make such a big deal, so much money that the land would be sold. No, the industrial mix use requires a PUD. And so whatever, someone couldn't just come in and say I'm an industrial use, it would have to be a PUD and it would have to come in front of you all for approval. So, and that's fine, but the point is, is that we do know that people could come in and make an offer that somebody can't resist, and it can be sold. Because we're in this sort of no man's land between changing the comprehensive plan, changing the future land use definition, and potentially hopefully maybe passing the PUD and MDA and so do they really were originally presented the three of them together and they really do belong together so I'd like to see if anybody would consider moving it all to that workshop the Commissioner McGurk had suggested. Any other questions before? Any other questions for Shane? Just for verification, because I think this will help for transparency too, because I asked this question today due to the emails that we've gotten just today, which boggles my mind that these emails came today when we've been working on this forever. But on December 14, 2023, we had our first workshop. The comp plan amendments were considered at a public hearing before the P and Z that's listed here May 6, 2024. The comp plan amendments was considered by the commission on May 28 is a public hearing. The other comp plan was considered on the commission June 13th, also a public hearing, and tonight will be the third public hearing on these items. Legally, we're in compliance with all these advertisements and all this public participation were being a dead horse to death. Why do we keep delaying this when we know we have issues with our diversifying the tax space? If I have to watch this another time, this has been over a year. I've seen this same slide over and over and over. So getting these emails today just to push it past election? No. I'm not in favor of that. Thank you ma'am. Appreciate that. Any other comments from the Dias? Not at this time. Shane you got a couple questions. What remind me what the P&Z vote count was? I apologize. I don't know that off the top of my head. Do they remember? I believe it was for you. For 42. Okay, thank you very much. And, Commissioner Perina answered my question about how many times? Thank you. Stormwater Bond. I'm excited about that. Infrastructure impact in terms of dollars and resources and what have you got any study, have you done any, you know, we're gonna, what will be the impact to your organization, the fire department, police department, all those roads, water, have we studied any of the impact? I'm sure the applicant has it. Have you as our protector? Have you, have protector? Have you? No, I haven't. Okay. So just a mind-tight little mind, I would think before you made the positive recommendation as the director of development services, we would like to know what the impact is on the city structure, city staff, et cetera. I mean, there is a study done that Mr. Mathan did that shows some of the impacts. The only thing that we were negative in was if it was built today, all at once, then we would have a deficit in our wastewater capacity. Speaking with New Sumerer, beach utilities, Keniho, there, the engineer, he assured me that if this builds out over the course of 30 years, there will be plenty of capacity. They will catch up with that deficit over time. And in addition, they will not, they have to be involved in the approval process for all development. And so they don't have to sign off on something that we don't have capacity to fulfill. The only other thing that we were short on was parks. And when they transfer that 50 acre parcel over to us, we will be sufficient in parks. But we did not see any issues on anything else. Thanks I appreciate that. Any other questions or comments? Yes ma'am. I noticed that the St. John's Water Management District seems to have some concerns about the potential impact of discharge on Farmington North. What is that? The exhibit J. One of the two. And I wondered if you had any comments on that. I do not know. Save it for the applicant. Maybe he'll have something. Okay. Anything else? Yes sir. With respect to the water going east and south, right? You propose it that the proposal is that the water is going to go west and that's south, right? If the natural flow is to the north. How can we... Where is the confirmation that this water is... that's going west is not going to end up in the watershed that goes through Venetian Bay right now, the San Suhla Canal. It all flows north. So, I need better understanding of how the water going to the west doesn't end up going north. And the water to the south goes where? It's all should be going to the south. We have no indication that any water currently goes north of the site towards Venetian Bay. But does it go south and west and then pick up the natural flow going north because most of that land goes north into the Sam Sula Canal into the Turnbull watershed, which is pretty wide. And then of course out, roast bay and the three bridges. So I'm just trying to, I'm gonna need a night, that's not necessarily you, but I need someone to help me understand the flow of this water and where that information's coming from. Yeah, I would defer to the applicant. Okay, thank you. Get any leads on that. Okay, and this one last. We will eventually depend on you to get into the weeds of every aspect of this. And so, comments tonight, like that's's not important we don't need to do that right now are very important to all of us and very important to a variety of residents and there's some people that are better informed than others and so we need everybody to understand what it will do for us or to us. That may be a city attorney question. So if we voted on this tonight and voted yes, is there another stop that prevents, if we find something or discover something, isn't it, but what turns this off if it goes south? So it has to come to you through the PUDMDA process. So you guys would have that decision making authority on that PUD. For the past year or so, I believe it's been like a collaboration where staff has said, well, what are we going to do about this? They've come to the table as a partner. So your stop's going to be at the PUDMDA. Go ahead, anybody want to follow? Okay, so if Deering Park Innovation Center went poof tomorrow, what would that mean for these two ordinances tonight? They'd be on the books and if another developer came along, they would have to come to you for a PUDMDA. Any other questions for the city attorney on this one or the development services? Shane, thanks. Don't leave town. We want to talk with you. Is the applicant present and would like to make his comments known? I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I'm going to get one. I City manager. Get one. No. That's what we moved to the crowd. We have some technical difficulties there, sir. All righty. The double apple making sure that we get it so we can produce it? The city has the PowerPoint. They have not been able to find it and put it on here yet. But I can walk through with this. So the important thing, there's a couple of important things to remember in this one. This is not a development. This is a planning exercise. This is a planning exercise. This is what we're doing is we're planning for the future. We were asked to come and work with you to plan for the future. And so that's what we've been doing in this particular case. This is a request for a conference of plan amendment for a 1618 acre enclave that is right between, and you can see this under the thing, right between everything else is happening west of 95, the activity center, the Venetian Bay, the South Village project which is in subdivision right now, and the Deering Park North which is in edge water that goes all the way out to the line on this site. So you've got a site right in the middle of that, an ocean gate. You've got a site right in the middle of that that hasn't been planned for the future, consistent with the South Village overlay plan. And so that's one of the things we're talking about. Colleen, if you'll just speak up or close your mind. I'm sorry, I guess, through the crowd. I will. I'm going to walk this over. How's that? Is that better? Yeah. All right. So this provides an opportunity to implement that large-scale regional plan that we're talking about. Because that's what we're doing here. It's a regional plan, as opposed to a piece by piece, parcel by parcel plan, which is typically what we do in this morrow. Typically we have a piece of property that you have a potential use for. You come in, you look at, admitting the conference plan, you look at, admitting the zoning, you come up with a specific use, it's done, it's small, it's usually around 25 acres, and that's it. This is an actual regional plan that we're trying to accomplish, and a plan that we're trying to accomplish and a plan that we'll try to encourage a tax base for the future of New Spurnab, but also encourage job production. So my kid had to leave. My kids had to leave. There was no jobs here for my kids. One son has come back now. He's able to work down in the Cape, but that's up an hour drive. But wouldn't it be wonderful if we had technological jobs here in New Smurna for our kids and for potentially my grandkids? So that's what we're looking at. Again, this allows for us to plan for resiliency, to plan for a mitigation potential impacts, and it allows for us to continue to work on the actual plan. The actual plan is the questions that you were asking about. The stormwater issues, all those things that we're talking about, the details that we've worked on, the many pages of plan that we've worked on for the last year with staff to answer those questions. So, Commissioner McGurk is absolutely correct. We have got to focus on those things to make sure that what you're going to do is right. For instance, this is not an order of my presentation, but I'm going to answer a question anyway. For instance, on storm order, the reason why we're saying this should go south is because we're basing this on the Babcock Ranch model, the one that was the big project on the other side of the state that was in the eye, I guess it's in here. That is in the eye of Hurricane E and for eight hours. It went right over Fort Myers, right over this project for eight hours. Not a single lot was flooded. Not a single road was flooded. They didn't have, they didn't lose power, they didn't lose internet for the entire time. This was national news as to the fact that this was planned properly. That's what Badheart Grange was. We've been doing the same thing. The reason why it did that is because their stormwater system took advantage of the fact that this was a adjacent to a huge conservation easement area. So in our case we're doing the exact same thing. Rather than this feeding this direct lines of where would normally go, typically what you do on a parcel-by-parcel basis is you come up with your stormwater plan, you're required to maintain a certain amount for a hundred year flood and then there's a pop-off, there's a runoff. And with that runoff, it then goes to the normal flow of stormwater. We're not doing that. We're looking at the fact of literally reconverting the basin and turning this to the south. Because in the south, we have 50,000 acres of conservation areas that will have a mutual benefit. If you put the water in those areas, it helps replenish our wetland areas that we've been working on for the past 10 years. And at the same time, it allows us to go ahead with keeping the water away from the nation bay. You haven't seen the PUD yet. The PUD is very specific. And we'll be getting into that, you know, at some point in the future. But again, I want to make, we want to take our time with the PUD. I'm not necessarily any hurry. You've got to do the comp plan first and you've got to do it within the timeframe. Because as Shane has indicated, we sent this out to 40 agencies. Once they come back with their responses, there's a timeframe. If you don't adopt within that timeframe, then you basically have lost your ability to adopt a compliment amendment. You have to start over again. So in our cases, we talked about last time. If we do the compliment, that's fine. I had no problem with the idea of continuing the planning, the negotiation, the discussions regarding the PUD itself. And that's important for us, it's important for everyone to be comfortable with what we're doing. What we can't continue to comp plan itself. The comp plan itself has to be part of this because we can't go through another year of getting this approved by all the 48 agencies. I mean, you can't do it for that matter. So we look at this, we look at this as a setting, as a way to start the process. I mentioned this in a, in part of my slide, what is a comprehensive plan? Because that's what we're talking about here. We're not talking about the zone, which is the PUD and all the very specifics. We're talking about a comp plan. A comp plan is an orderly process that determines community goals and aspirations in terms of community development. So as you're looking at this, we've talked about the fact, typically you do little small scale amendments, but this is the opportunity for regional planning. We know growth will happen. I heard what Jay Pindergast said last time at the last hearing. Growth is going to happen. The question is how do we grow? Do we work together? Do we plan for it? Do we try to figure out exactly what we want? Because if we don't, it's just going to happen. It's going to happen and you're going to turn around and all of it so that it's done. You've got to find a way of planning from a regional standpoint. In this particular case, staff is recommended that we put this as industrial mixed use. Part of that is to make sure that we have the ability to do the tax base and the job-producing areas that we're talking about. But part of it also is because industrial mix use absolutely mandates a negotiated PUD. Otherwise you can't do anything. So unless that negotiated PUD is finished and approved down the road. Then this is, I don't say it's worthless, but it's because it's part of what's part of the process, but you can't build anything. We're okay with that. Because again, this is not something that we were looking at for this part yet. We were looking at five or 10 years. What's the highest and best use can be in five or ten years? I don't know. I know if we work together now, what the process will be and what we're going to end up having together and we're going to find a way of working together and creating this community that we're talking about. So, nothing can be developed into the PUD or MDA is agreed upon and all design and permitting occurs consistent with the requirements In the county and so there's two date basic comp plan designations open site, which is kind of unusual In the county used to have Everything west of 95 was ranchettes all right five ten 5, 10, 20 or 25 acre ranchettes, that's all that is to it. It's various types of agriculture, but every agricultural use had the ability to put a ranchette on it, put a home on it, et cetera. So Venetian Bay used to be all this, used to be ranchettes. And they took it and they planned it, and they clustered it, and they did something hopefully better than the ranchettes. The problem is and what you've seen is the reason for ranchettes is because there are no urban services. You can't have anything other than ranchettes with wells and subject tanks. That's it. So that's what you typically have. But once you get urban services, once you get municipal water and sewer and roads, then you look at different things. You look at things that you can do better. So in this particular case, I can tell you that when you look at ranchettes, when you look at the example of ranchettes in various areas, that they are environmental disaster. The problem of course is that when you, someone buys a ranchette, a 25 acre, 20 acre, 10 acre ranchettes, they take that piece of property. They fence it, they clear it. Even though there's wetlands on it, they'll clear it, they'll clear it a little bit at a time because I've seen it over and over again. They'll put their home or their mobile home or whatever on it and it's a dead space. It's a dead space from economic development because it's all fragmented. It is a dead space from the environment because the habitat has been stopped. The habitat corridor has been stopped entirely. The fences will prevent the uses of the habitat corridor and there's no bases for anything to be planned for. So that's what I'm saying, the parcels are cleared, fence and fragmented. No habitat corridors, no economic benefit, no public benefit, no places for parks, no places for anything else you can do, no places for trails. When the city annexed this piece, they actually duplicated that ranchette comp plan designation. That's what you're seeing as far as the ag and the forestry, et cetera. Those are all ranchette classifications. So right now we could go out there and put 150 ranchettes on the site, just divided up, including the wetlands, by the way, divided up the entire site and put 150 units on it, and it would be useless for everybody else. But the city also incorporated this into something called the South Village Neuroid Plan and the map overlay, and that's what Shane was talking about. Because what that says is that we expect urban development in this area. We expect that urban services and improved road service road access will happen. We expect that municipal water and sewer will be available. And now it is. Municipal water and sewer is available in this location. Urban services are available in this location. Obviously, there's improved road access. They said that the plan said we expect that there will be demand for quality residential to support the Southeast Volusia activity center. That's everything surrounding 95 and 44. That's the Southeast Volusia activity center. That's where the hospital and 44. That's the Southeast Fulusha Activity Center. That's where the hospital is going to go. That's where another hotel is going to go. That's where all these things are going that will then need to have that quality residential that we're talking about. We expect that this is going to be urban because there'll be an extension of Williamson Boulevard from State Road 44 to State Road 442 and from Pioneer Trail to State Road 44. Right now, we now have those two areas, from Pioneer Trail to 44 and from 44 to 44 to 42 dedicated. Those two and a foot right away are now dedicated to the county. to be fully vaccinated. So, I think that's the only way to get the report to be fully vaccinated. So, I think that's the only way to get the report to be fully vaccinated. So, I think that's the only way to get the report to be fully vaccinated. So, I think that's the only way to get the report to be fully vaccinated. So, I think that's the only way to get the report to be fully vaccinated. The South Village Plan also states that they expect urban development because there'll be an extension of airport road into the area. That's being done. That's the South Village PUD that is currently going in. So you have that road, airport road is extending into this area. What we did is we tied this in, working with staff, we tied their road system to Deering Park Innovation Center's road system to try and keep and divert traffic off of 44. Everything we looked at was a means of trying to divert traffic away from 44. So that's what you're going to see when we deal with the PUD. All the things that that SANS has done, all the things that that sands has done, all the things that city has done, all the things we've talked about. The thing that I thought was interesting was, like you say, the South Village Neighborhood Plan states, development within this neighborhood will be directed into major residential projects, with some self-contained commercial and employment opportunities, It's some, not nearly as much as we were hoping for with the innovation park and the business park that we're talking about. New urbanist principles were required, which is what Shane talked about. However, after looking at this and after looking at everything you looked at as far as your economic development plans that changes went into, all the extensive reviews for reducing reliance on non-resentral tax base and providing for job reduction, the city requests the opportunity to work with the landowner to plan for something other than either major residential projects or ranchettes. And what that was was the idea of during Park Innovation Center. They did this for three reasons. The first was the city needs a larger non-residential tax base. That's all there is to it. And the potential for good-being jobs for the next generation, not my generation, not even my kids' generation, but the next generation. Otherwise, you will be totally reliant upon homeowners for taxes, for the increases in cost. And again, you've noticed that the cost of city government does not remain stagnant. It continues to increase, and therefore you continue to, or you're continuing to require to rely upon homeowners to pay for this as opposed to non-residential, which is the way it should be done. Because of the fact, by the way, you have about 90% of your tax-based and residential and 10% and non-residential. You should have far more than that. So, in looking at this site, right now, that site is basically generating about zero dollars for you. Okay, from a tax standpoint because it's ag because it's it's utilizes ag. Based on the cities calculations or we work with them as well as for as the build out on this the build out for the taxable value would increase by about 3.5 billion dollars. That would be your taxable value that would be the taxable value would increase by about $3.5 billion. That would be your taxable value, that would be the taxes would be generated from. And more importantly, those taxes are not on homes with homestead because so much of this is non-homestead. Most of your tax space, if you recall the workshop presentation it was made, was from the business park. And of course some from the areas that were non-residential, such as the commercial village, some that was from the rental areas, which again are not homestead, that's how you maintain your tax space and increase your tax space without causing the city homeowners for that taxes. Secondly, this is the area that's undeveloped, but surrounded by development. It's undeveloped right now, but it's surrounded by development, and it will be surrounded more so a development as things happen. South village, like I say, is in subdivision right now. That will start building soon. During park north, it's in subdivision right now. That will start building soon. During Park North is in subdivision right now. That will start building soon. You're already seeing the hospital project beginning hopefully soon, I hope. Because I mean, they're going to be asking the question as to whether or not there is sufficient growth in this area to support a new hospital. So those are the things we're looking at as well. Now, based on that, if you look at what you have, this is probably the last opportunity you have for a regional business park. There's nothing else left. I know the land and the New Spurner fairly well. You are himdened. You have edgewater to the south. You have port orange to the north, and you have the SAMHSAULA local plan to the west, which doesn't allow for any increases in density or intensities. So this really is it as far as the ability to plan regionally. That's why this was so important to the city to work together with us to sort planning on this. The third issue that the reason that they came to us is because of the reputation of the landowner. And in this particular case, I've been working to this land over 35 years. You could not ask for a better partner than this landowner. They have worked for good planning and they have been working with governments, well, since I've been working for them, 35 years, and they have been working, they own 70,000 acres of land. Everything south of 44 for 22 miles is owned by my client. They have not sold a single thing. They actually bought land in 1925. So it's almost 100 years. Most of their land was bought in 1925. So they've had their land for almost 100 years and haven't sold anything. They bought a certain land. They bought a certain land because of the fact they wanted to make sure that developers that did not seem to have the same vision that they had did not get this land. So they ended up buying reflections, which was a piece of an edge. What are they bought restoration, which is now during part north that goes all the way to the inner, in fact part of restoration was also in Miss Mourna, and they bought the Arilie track. Because again, the option was something they did not want to see. These are people who are looking at planning not at development right now. So, and I've got some great maps that you can't see, but they have created a long-term and environmentally responsible vision for this land because they worked with everyone. They worked with the counties. They worked with St. John's. They worked with Audubon in order to create habitat corridors throughout their land. Massive habitat corridors and conservation areas at no cost whatsoever to the community. They didn't charge the county of pinning. In fact, they gave land to the county. They didn't charge edge water of pinning. They put a lot of that land in conservation. They won't charge you a pinning for all the land we're putting in conservation and the cost of maintaining it. Because there is a cost to maintaining conservation lands. You have to take out the invasive species, you have to make sure that people stay off of it, you have to make sure it's not trespassed, sometimes you have to convert it back to what it should be. So those are the things that are a cost. We've done that with conservation management plans in all these other areas. The nice thing about my client is that they are financially able to plan long term to ensure the landowner and the community goals are met. And that's what they've done. So as an example, and I think this is important, because I've seen this on social media, that someone says, oh my gosh, you're my clients, getting ready to destroy 57,000 acres, and we'll never have our wildlife corridor. Well, when I see that sort of thing, it makes my blood boil, because I have spent literally 20 years working with everyone to preserve 45,000 acres of land. 57,000 acres, yeah, they don't have the 57,000 acres. That's the farm to track. But they, without cost to anyone, took 45,000 of those acres, worked with everyone to create habitat corridors as to where they should go and put that in conservation. And they did it by the way by layers. They did a layer of conservation easement to the counties, a layer of conservation easement to St. John's, and a layer of conservation easement to Autobahn. So all three of those entities have to agree to something in order to lose that. They did that because they didn't want to lose the conservation easements they've worked so hard for. So that's something they've done. And I should tell you that when they started this and I was asked to do this years ago, all that land, all that 57,000 acres, was supposed to be divided up into ranchettes. Every bit of it, because they were a timber company. A timber company, usually when you can't do timber anymore, they simply go out, they sell the land as ranchettes. Georgia Pacific did it, Union Pacific did it, everybody else has done it. In our case, although I subdivided that land out into thousands of ranchettes with individual wells and subject tanks, ready to be sold, they allowed us to work together with the communities to create the Farndon local plan instead. And the Farndon local plan is what you're seeing on one page that shows the 45,000 acres in green that are preserved now for the past 10 years. Conservationism has been there for about 10 years, and on top of that, they've been maintaining it for 10 years. And if I even pay Audubon to come in and inspect to make sure that it's done right. So that's why we've been receiving awards on this action. to come in and inspect to make sure that it's done right. So that's why we've been receiving awards on this action. That's how you do it the right way. That's why you should be so happy that this is the partner you have in trying to solve these problems. Now, again, they've bought additional lands, they've bought the ones we've talked about, but they're using these standards, these very high standards such as Babcock Ranch in order to plan for this, to make sure it's done right. Their theme, I think Mayor actually mentioned this, is living in a park, because the way they're doing this is to make sure that natural vegetation lands are all around them. Natural lands are created and maintained. All around them is part of this. I want to talk about some of the public benefits that this again this is your partner that we're talking about. They actually have donated the land for something called the Edgewater Wetland Park. Edgewater had been dumping a fluent into the in and river lagoon for years. They have a permit for it. They can do that. It's not a problem. They're trying to find a way to get rid of it. Trying to find a way to get rid of it. We had uplands that were not part of the plan during Park North. We took that, worked out a plan to give it to a wetland park. And then we got a grant from the government in order to build the wetland park in order to take all the affluent that's currently going into the Indian River Lagoon from edge water and place it here and so it can be filtered out into the natural area. That wetland park will be public. It will be open to everyone. It will have bike trails through it. In fact, you'll see, I wish I could show you this on our PowerPoint, but you'll see that there's bike trails planned out to the entire area that will tie in the wetland park, will tie in the regional trails, will tie in the New Spurner trails, everything. That's part of the public benefit that we're providing. By the way, the conservation easements we're putting into During Park Innovation Center, and you'll see this in the PUD when we get to that, all of that we tie it into this habitat corridor. So again, it's a method to make sure that our habitat have a mechanism to go within that corridor. And it's a huge corridor. It's about 22 miles long. So the cooperation, the city approached the landowner to work together on a long-range plan to accomplish the city goals. They worked together for a year. They incorporated all the staff requests, we incorporated requests for the land for the city of benefits, requests for land for a school, requests for the planning board recommendations, everything that was requested we placed into this PUD. I didn't wanna go into there very much of it because this is the comp plan, but everything was there as part of that PUD and we'll talk about it when we get to it. But the details of all those requirements are negotiated and they'll be incorporated into the master development agreement. We may not be done. I'm sure you'll have additional input. Fine. We've got time for that. And I look forward to those discussions. But the thing is, this is a planning exercise. Regional planning so far that we've accomplished are a couple of things. We've created basically a requirement for a regional stormwater management design plan. It prevents, it mandates that there's no impacts to Venetian Bay. It mandates, there's no impacts, no runoff to the north or the east on adjoining areas. And it allows us, and it mandates us to take this stormwater to the south to replenish the conservation areas. We've also provided, and this was a planning board idea, a stormwater bond. You haven't seen any stormwater bonds in the state of Florida. This is probably going to be the first one. But that's okay. You know, we have the opportunity and the financial ability to do this. And the important thing is so that everyone understands this is for real, this is going to happen. So when you look at your strong water, we're going to be doing our, it's going to take Mark, our strong water engineers here, Mark Dowsd. But it will take probably a year, two years to do the modeling, to do all the studies, to come back to you and talk about it. We're required to come back and talk to you, required to come back and the PUD to talk to you about all these things. And the planning board, that's part of the process. It's a joint process that we're working together on. There's also maintenance requirements that were required to do in order to set, we'll have a maintenance entity that will be set up to make sure these things are maintained. What we've found in the past is one of the major problems with stormwater systems is they haven't maintained properly. So we can do that. And on top of that, we believe in talking to staff that there's also an opportunity for a required inspection. You know, right now St. John's has inspection. We have no problem with the idea of working together with City to also require inspections of the stormwater systems. That's how you work together. We also of course are creating the job creation area and the construction. Oh, this is sort of interesting. So this is not a plan for a residential area at this point. This is a plan for a job creation area. We have to build a half a million square feet of non-residential first. We have to permit all the way through permitting another half a million square feet of non-residential. You can't do a thing. We can't build a single house until after that's done. So those are just things we're talking, we'll talk about during the PUD but I like the other things also there's significant environmental protection as we've indicated there's no less than 400 acres of natural vegetation and conservation easements that we place in conservation easements. Maybe more what we'll look and see but we're gonna once we have our jurisdictionals won't have a better idea of how that will work. The conservation areas are gonna be tied into the massive habitat quarters of the south. The conservation easements will be maintained at no cost in the city. And there is under the terms of this agreement and the terms of your comp plan designation, no less than 50 percent, no less than half of the community has to be an open space. So I've heard these older going to pay for everything, that's insane. It's half of it's going to be an open space. So I've heard these older and paper of everything, that's insane. It's half of it's going to be an open space. Now we've talked about some of the things that the staff wanted as in return. Commissioner Hartman asked if there was any of these parks or community assets where people can go to west of Colony Park. There will be now because what you will have is you will have a sports complex of at least 50 acres. I think we're looking at 60 but bottom line is we're going to have a sports complex that will allow you to do everything you're looking for. On top of that we've also been we have a requirement for a police station site, no less than 10 acres, utility sites to help utilities commission, eight acres, the construction of an extension of public bicycle trail system, all paid for by this community. And that shows on one of these slides and a potential 38 for a planned Votech school site. And I will tell you that one of the reasons that the school board loved this idea was because of the fact they would be next to a business park where you could have internships between the high school students and the business park. So that's one of the things we're looking at as well. We're planning, we're looking at redirection of traffic away from State Road at 44. We're looking at higher parking standards because that was absolutely that was one of the things that was mentioned during some of our workshops. Interconnection of Williamson Boulevard was South Village. The potential for a right of way to allow a refresher connections between our cross Interstate 95, the county asked for that. Landscape and tree lined Williamson Boulevard. It's not going to be just a Williamson Boulevard like you've seen in Daytona. This will be heavily landscaped, tree lined, and all of that under the terms of the agreement with the county has to be maintained by innovation park or its assigned. Let's see here. So bottom line is that no work on the PUD can continue until the comp plan is approved. We have, and because of the fact we've gone through all these 40 agencies and you see, like I say, some of the agencies you've gone through, the one I thought was interesting was East Central Florida, Regional Planning Council, which is usually very difficult. Their comment was staff is really the proposed land use map amendment and found the proposal will not adversely impact regional resources or facilities of significant significantly identified nor creating extra jurisdictional impacts on nearby governments in the region. The applicant is commended for planning a development laid out in a managed reserve the greatest amount of wetlands possible. I thought that was really something special. I've never seen that before. So at this point, we're looking at basically the opportunity to continue to work on this matter. And that is the fact that we've expandedended a year on this process and hundreds of thousand dollars based on the city request to work together to provide a regional plan for this parcel. During the park recognizes how important it is to get the details of the master development agreement right. I understand that. We absolutely agree with that. And we'll continue to work with the commission and staff to make sure that all of the city goals are accomplished and protected. The staff and the planning board recommend approval of this conference of the plan amendment. They also, by the way, the planning board also recommended approval of the PUD by a 6-1 vote if I remember correctly. So I was very pleased with that after the second hearing. State, regional and local agencies and governments have reviewed this. Without objection, please give the city. And I was allowed to say please, because by clients from the Midwest, please give the city and the landowner with workshops and with the input from the citizens, the opportunity to work on the city goals and a true, true regional plan by adopting this recommended conference plan. At that point, we'll be glad to work with everybody, every other group. That's what it's take to work through these details. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Storage. We appreciate the very thorough presentation. Is there any member of the commission that would like to have some questions or comments along with Mr. Storch? Let's see. Yep. Mr. Martin, go ahead. Oh, I'm sorry. I noticed that the original comprehensive plan notes that a significant portion of this neighborhood, the South Village neighborhood consists of wetlands and environmentally sensitive areas, and I believe the wetlands constitute about 50 percent of- No, it's not 50 percent. Although we don't have our jurisdictionals is done at this point Even the initial areas indicate this is maybe Is typical Florida typical Florida west of a 95 which is possibly about a third? I didn't I have a map that I was sent from Like the Lucia County. I'd have to look it up again Wendy Anderson you you know Wendy. Wendy sent me a map. Okay. Now I understand. But the bottom line is yet, what has to happen, of course, is you have to have jurisdictional stuff. And the jurisdictional process will take, you know, six months through here. So because this is a huge piece of property. At that point, the county, the city, the St. John's and the applicant will agree as to where the lines are and then you plan for it. I still find it difficult that we are discussing D-PIC and the conceptual plan for D-PIC when the items on the agenda are for a comprehensive plan change and a definition for future land juice. So they are very separate issues. And they are. Yeah. And so again, I it was the staff brought up some of the things that were going into the PUD. I thought it fell on the benefits. But the bottom line is this is a PUD designation. If it's an appropriate PUD designation, then we work together on the PUD. I'm sorry if it's an appropriate councilor plan. Comprehensive plan designation, then we'll work together on the PUD. The questions for Mr. Storch. Mr. Hartman? No, the only way I look at this is we're picking a canvas. Yes. And at some point in time we'll figure out what medium we're going to use or what colors we're going to use to develop this piece of work. But right now we're just in the planning stages to figure out what kind of size and canvas to use to build upon a later date. Yeah, I mean the advantage we have in this case is that you have a landowner, a major landowner, that doesn't have to develop the land right now, that can work with you on planning this and making sure that we know what's going to happen down the road. So, and they've been very impressed with the staff as far as trying to work together and trying to solve problems. We've obviously provided, you know, listen to what the planning board has done and I'll offer those things, but I've got great clients and I've got to tell you, that's the best thing I've got here going for. But yes, it's a blank canvas. Yes. Good picture. Mr. Good picture. Mr. Perine. The only thing I want to point out to all this, I've had quite a few emails about grants with this. But that's put in the cart before the war. So we've got to do this before we can even look into grants and go and forward with what we're going to do. And I'm for transparency, I mentioned how many times we've had public hearings on this. So I don't want to push this past election just for no reason. I want to make a decision, are we going to at least look at this now so we can go forward with grants, job opportunities and whatever comes our way. The storm water bond that's fabulous, that all of that is good, but that is so premature right now. This is important that we just go through this step and we're going to come back and hear this multiple times more but in much more detail. By the way, I should point out you probably had four public hearings on the comp plan itself. You had one of each of these texts, the textment was different than the map amendments. You had those two public hearings. You had, and then you had the same thing with the hearing on the planning board. So you had a planning board public hearing as well in these two things. And then on top of that, you're having another public hearing tonight. So this is really more public hearings that you typically would have. On top of that, you've had workshops and you've had hearings on the PUD, which discussed all these various things. So I've tried to listen. I've tried to listen to anything, any input I've received. I've met outside with some of the members of the coalition. I've done everything I can to try and listen to people and incorporate it into this because I've got a great client. That's what we've done with the staff as well. But if we don't have a comp plan to give us the first step to get the rest negotiations, we're done. I mean, there's no reason to proceed because you can't start over again. You're good, any other questions? Just a couple of myself, sir. Glenn, what is the best thing for the environment out there and why? When you say the best-site for the environment out there and why? When you say the best psyched environment, it's interesting you say that on the farm to track there was a site that was absolutely critical from an environment standpoint. And we took that and we put extra protections on it. And in fact then it was about 2,000 acres in that case. But we actually gave that to the county to make sure it was totally protected. In the case of, during Park Innovation Center, this has been a tree farm for years. So the important thing is, I think, to maintain some of the wetlands studies, which we get our wetlands studies back, we'll find out the quality of the wetlands, we'll know which ones we actually have to absolutely have to protect. But we'll also know the other areas, what they've done in Deerin Park, North and Deerin Park Center, is actually protect oak areas and other tree areas because they make the areas so much better delivered. So we'll find out the absolute critical environmental areas as we go through the process. But I can't tell you there's anything special right now. Okay. Would you repeat that commitment to conservation and those organizations that you cited? I can't remember what you said about the history of your owners' commitment to the conservation of those organizations. What we did there was we did layered conservation easements. So when you give a conservation easement, you say this land will not be developed. It not only will not be developed, you will be on the structures on it, but you'll also we have a conservation management plan that incorporates how you maintain it. So in our case with, during Park North and with Farmington, we actually have conservation management plans that require us to pay for removing all invasive species, to keep it free of trespassers, to keep it free of people who are gonna destroy it, all those things, it costs us quite a bit of money to be honest with you. On top of that, we then put layers on it. So we have a beneficiary of the farm to the local plant, for instance, to the county, Felicia County. So they have a beneficiary of the Comprehensive Plan. I mean, of the Conservation easement. We have a beneficiary for St. John's. They have an area. And then we also have a beneficiary of the conservation easement. We gave it to Audubon because we know that they know what they're doing and that they absolutely want to, it's critical to them to resolve this. We would love to keep Audubon involved in the other conservation easements we're creating. I have no problem with the idea of creating layered conservation easements on the conservation land that we're providing to you as well. If we do, it will cost us money again because you have to pay Audubon to go out there and inspect their land to do report to say that it's we're meeting all the requirements. That seems fair. The nice thing about a conservation easement, especially if it's well written and well done, and you have all this buy-in from the community, is that it's far better than your conservation designation. Your conservation designation still allows for ag use, ag use can impact weapons enormously, legally, because all the of those user best managed practices, it allows for your conservation areas to be used for 10% FAR. So an FAR is building structure. In those conservation easements you have right now, you're allowed to take 10% of them and put buildings on them right now. On top of that, of course, you have the fact that you have no one actually maintaining these conservation easements or these areas without a conservation easement. Something can happen to them. So my basic philosophy has been, if I can create things in conservation easement. Something can happen to them. So my basic philosophy has been, if I can create things in conservation easements, perpetual conservation easements, that's done, that's done for the rest of my life, that's done for anybody else's life. This is perpetual. If you're just dealing with zoning and compland designations, it will not protect it. Thank you, sir. The relationship with Badcock Ranch and building a resilient and self-sustaining community. You guys, you've done some work with these folks. You know Badcock Ranch. I'm not looking for any guarantees, but that seems to be a survived a great storm, a horrific storm, and it is a self-sustaining resilient community in itself. It doesn't require transiting back and forth all over the place. It is its own self-contained community. That's part of what we're doing with the traffic. The idea is to create a live workplace community because what you're trying to do is to prevent people from traveling outside the area if you can. Prevent people on 44 if you can. But yes, in Babcock Ranch's case, not only are we very familiar with this, we've hired the guy that helped do it. All right, the guy that came up last time, Ernie Cox, helped, helped everything on Babcock Ranch. That's why he's here. Thank you. Any follow-up, any re-approach? Yes, ma'am? Just a couple. I will throw out in, so I'm sure you're expecting me to the real live-work play concept requires all income housing. And we have yet to see all income housing proposed for D pick. The other one is just and I may have missed this but reading from the St. John's Water Management District in Exhibit J, pages 11 through 13, the conclusion states the district encourages the city to address these issues and recommendations prior to adopting the proposed comprehensive plan amendment. They are offered as suggestions which can strengthen the city's comprehensive plan and provide assurance. In there, it references the amount of wetlands and surface water and potential negative impact on Farmington north to the south of us. So I'm wondering if how these have been addressed. Yeah, they have been addressed as a matter of fact They've got what we're doing most of those are addressed in the PUD itself So that's how we dealt with it, but they, but specifically states that they should be addressed prior to passing the comprehensive plan amendment, which is why I've asked you. Well, you can have a date. There was comments, these are comments regarding things you might want to look at, which we are looking at, which we did look at. We took them seriously. And so they're not required to be addressed prior to. the city. The city has done that by virtue of the PUD. But we don't have a PUD. But this gives us an opportunity to work, continue to work on that PUD. And again, nothing. work on that PUD and again nothing right from the letter. Again nothing can be built on this site until you have a PUD that's negotiated and adopted by the City Commission. It's that simple. And in fact right now we can go out there and build ranchettes every one or two. But are we clear every single tree off if we wanted to under act. But the bottom line is once this is in place we can't do what we can do is we can work with you for a PUD. Thank you sir appreciate that appreciate your remarks. Public hearing is now open if there any citizens who wish to speak on this specific topic please come forward. Hold it right there Steve. Just wait right there and I'll finish this. Post the podium. This is a monologue. Not a dialogue. You'll have three minutes for us to listen to your concerns and comments. And when you come forward just your name and address for the record. If there's need to follow up city clerk and city manager will be getting back with you. Mr. Gunther. Yes, Steve Gunther, 140 Temple Street. Appreciate being here. Transparency, not transparency. I don't know. We can't all make all meetings. We have busy lives, but nobody as far as the majority of this town, this coastal town would approve something like this. The majority of us. When the gentleman stood up here and said there's 40 agencies and he never had any negative comments, that's kind of hard to believe. I've got a FDOT pond that is majorly polluting the creek. They've done it. I've had dumping there because trying to get the infrastructure, a new summer to be each under control. And there was even an FDEP case number that since that time, they've never been able to produce a report. So between St. John's Water Management, FDEP, maybe John to put golf courses in parks. I mean, there's a lot of mistrust, you know, as far as the citizens. Since I only got three minutes, let me just read something as quickly as I can. Tim Feeley, Professor of Earth, Atmosphere and Planet and planetary science Purdue University. When you manage land for optimal health, you increase its resilience to extreme events like rainfall. Climate change is real, and as we've all witnessed in New Sumerna Beach, our heavy rain, storm water events are increasing and adding 1200 acres of elevated concrete just two miles from our homesteads as a serious danger. A Nobel Prize-winning intergovernmental panel of the climate change and as well as the science academics of every developed nation in the world keep confirming the disasters we now experience is caused by this human activity such as daring part, filling and building and our coastal watersheds in wetlands. We've crossed that line. We've had tons of neighborhood. We've all watched them there underwater. So our comprehensive plan was an expensive plan to create to begin with. And so it was created to protect our community first and foremost. This landowner has been presented with the Forestry Agriculture Conservation. All of those are diversified job opportunities if it's done right. As I mentioned before, ginger is $17 a pound. One papaya is $9 a pound. So there's ag there. Forestry products are very expensive. You've got 95, you can move them all over the state. Conservation, ecotourism, New Smart and Spina Tourist Town for a hundred years. There's plenty of opportunity there. So there's no problem with creating jobs by letting the owners develop it for what it's zoned for already. They're kind of saying give us the put didn't will give you the detail plan that doesn't sound right that's kind of just give us the detail plan then get the putt thank you sir appreciate your comments Steve thank you very much hello that governs in 805 you second avenue new summer to beach Florida I think I'm gonna to surprise you. I came here to pitch and complain about what's going on until I heard it was bad cock. I've been in drainage most of my life. I knew Fred Bapcock really well. Back in the 60s and the 70s, I traveled with his branch and helped him figure out some of the drainage problems he was having. I knew him to be a man of integrity. I know some of his relatives that have passed that have, I think Fred died in 96 or 97. But now I'm familiar with some of his relatives down in the center part of this day too. If you were going to have a company do it, Babcock is probably the best company that could have come here with a proposal. But that doesn't mean you should take everything at face value. It means you should hold them accountable and make sure that they put in writing what they say they're going to do. They have the capabilities of doing it. They have the capabilities of doing it right. I don't know who's running the show and this end of it today. But I can tell you that you couldn't find a better company in the state of Florida. But it's your responsibility to make sure that it's done correctly and that surprise both me and everybody I know. Thank you sir. Appreciate your comments. This forward. Good evening. Stephanie Ford, President and CEO of the Southeast Fallujah Chamber of Commerce at 115 Canal Street in New Smirno Beach. We are here to discuss the benefits for the business community who are also residents. The amendment to the industrial mix use enables long-range planning and negotiation ensuring thoughtful development. The area is surrounded by approved growth, including Venetian Bay and proposed Advent Health New Sm Merna Beach Hospital. Proper planning west of I-95 protects our beach side and historic areas, aligning with the Southeast Volusia Regional Economic Strategic Plan and city visioning. Southeast Volusia, including News Merna Beach, is part of a commercial space industry opportunity overlay zone, which encourages high paying space related job creation. News Merna beach relies heavily on a residential tax base. A approval of this project will help balance the tax base, reducing the burden on residents, taxpayers, and potentially preventing tax increases. Several steps are being taken to address the concerns. The project includes the construction of Williams and Boulevard through the property, which will help manage traffic flow and improve connectivity comprehensive planning is being done to ensure that infrastructure can support increased demand Development will maintain 50% of the project area as open space and add 400 acres to conservation easements preserving natural habitats and green spaces. Public amenities such as 50 plus acres, regional park and sports complex, 10 plus acre regional police station will enhance community services and recreational opportunities. Public biking trails will connect State Route 44 and regional bike trails through edge water in the center of the county at no cost to the city. The project will include measures to protect and restore wetland areas contributing to regional environmental sustainability. The project is being approached in a long-range plan with significant non-resolventual construction required before any residential units are built. This phased approach allows for careful monitoring and adjustment as needed. These steps aim to balance development with a preservation of communities' character and environment. And this project represents a significant opportunity for our community, balancing growth and environmental stewardship and economic development. We strongly support the comprehensive plan amendment and encourage you to as well. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate your comments. I appreciate the chamber being here tonight. Hello, Professor. Crystal Sailor, I look at 645, Ball Street. I've lived in Florida, my whole life. The rampant over development has really broken my heart. Many things here in New Smirna were opposed by locals yet they ended up. The hotel on Flagler Avenue, one of the biggest objections was there's not enough parking. Now there's two hotels and there's definitely a parking problem. Venetian Bay was pastures, coastal woods, was woods. There was water in those locations all the time. After a hurricane, water would stand in those locations for weeks on end. And so I'm going to do some math nerd stuff for you. 50 acres with 3 inches of water on it is over 4 million gallons of water. Venetian Bay is over 1,400 acres, and that's 2850 acre parcels, meaning over 100 million gallons could have sat on that amount of acreage. Now we know where it went, neighborhoods that had never flooded have flooded. And so if you create this community that, yeah, live, work, play, whatever that phrase was, that's great for them. What happens to the rest of us? Okay, so you know the other issue is that just because I and others have recently found out the extent of this plan doesn't lessen our concern about it. I respect that a lot of time has been invested so far, but you know concerns of those of us who have been here, invested here, I have my home here, I have my career here, I'm gonna retire here. We're here for a reason, and maybe eventually somehow somewhere, we're gonna drive along on development. Let's break ground, be a groundbreaking community and say no to it for a change. You know, the Florida of my childhood is never going to come back. But what we have now, it's never going to come back either if we continue to just develop everything. I appreciate, again, all the work that's gone into it. Lovely sales pitch, no disrespect intended, but they're not doing it as a favor for us, okay? You know, people stand to make a lot of money. Good for them. I'd rather have my lifestyle of this community where I chose to live. So thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it, Crystal. Evening, sir. Hey, good evening, everyone. I'm John Joaquin. My address is 4617 South Atlantic Avenue, here in New Sumerna Beach. And I am actually the chair of the economic development task force for this city, but I'm not standing here Representing that although that doesn't does inform a lot of what I believe But I did want to add my voice and support for the approval of 9b and 9c on tonight's agenda that would establish the Deering Park Innovation Center And I want to thank the commissioners, the mayor, the city staff, and all those who have been involved who have labored to develop the plan before us. I believe that considerable work has been done to accommodate the varying stakeholders and viewpoints and the concerns of these folks with the goal of keeping the beauty and sustainability of our historic coastal town and tack while providing and exciting and more prosperous future for our community. So as the saying goes, the only constant has changed and we are experiencing considerable change in growth in our state and in our region. As people from across the country and the world flock to our great beaches, wonderful coastal community, our lower cost of living and freedom. My wife and I moved to New Sumerna Beach, perma, two years ago, after vacationing here for 37 years, so I've seen this town change quite a lot. And for many of those same reasons, we cannot stop growth, but we can manage it wisely. And I believe that the Daring Park plan best accommodates the growth we expect while providing for a better and more manageable future. It leaves our historic areas as they are, the old town, allowing for diversified smart growth in underdeveloped areas to the west. As we make important decisions on our future, I ask that we consider a few points. First, I believe we must diversify our tax base, or residents can expect continually realizing tax bills that may price them out of our city. Currently our homeowners pay the highest property taxes in the region based upon milled rates that account for over 82% of all of the revenue that goes to this services that we rely upon. Who went sit down, I believe tomorrow there is a meeting in this body to raise our tax rates, our milled rates by 13 or 13.6% if I read it correctly. So more tax revenues for businesses, business sources from Deering Park would help alleviate the upward pressure on our property taxes. But beyond that, beyond property tax impact, we have an important choice. Do we want our city to continue as a sleepy, but gentrifying coastal community, relying upon largely tourist economy, or do we want a vibrant, high-tech industries that leverage our, I think on paths. Thank you, John. I'll just stop comments. Thank you very much. Appreciate your comments. Thank you. Thank you, John. I'll just appreciate your comments. Thank you very much. It was a great speech. Appreciate your comments. Thank you. Thank you, John. Appreciate it. Thanks, sir. You need Robbie. Good evening. Robbie Gibson Minor, 2839 South Oceano Court, New Smirnoviche, and I am here representing the New Smirnovach Residence Coalition. We are asking you this evening simply to postpone the action on these amendments to our comp plan. In the bottom line, this is about the amendments to the comp plan. Although there have been meetings, the December 14 meeting, it was an overview and a comprehensive overview of the entire project but not specifically in detail on these amendments. Nor were these amendments I believe in detail for the Planning and Zoning Committee. The first time there was a hearing where we had the opportunity to see the full amendments in the board packet was the first reading where there is no interaction. Residents can have a monologue. And so tonight really is the first hearing and residents have three minutes to comment on it. Our Mr. Stortges correct, members of our sustainability and resiliency committee have been working with him and are really excited about continuing to do so. Babcock Ranch is the Gold Stand. And if you attended our education forum a year ago in April, one of the main architects was there telling us about that. But our comprehensive plan states that the city strives to promote and maximize public participation in the adoption of the comprehensive plan, the adoption of amendments and the processing of land development proposals. This needs to be done right and what do you have to lose? Don't have to postpone it till after the elections. But having a workshop just as you are for the PUD to have true input and be able to see the slides and the information and then move forward with complete information and citizen participation. Thank you. Thank you, Robbie. Appreciate your comments, man. Good evening. My name is Elizabeth Bell and I live at 2224, dear wood drive. I am concerned that we're taking so much property or will the development will take so much property out of conservation land. Matter of fact, if the figures from the news journal are correct, there's 577 acres now. We're going out and buying land that's, you know, for conservation purposes. They're going to give us a rip roaring 413 acres. In addition to that, currently we have 900 and some out acres are in forest resource and the other is in agriculture. I think we've seen the flooding out. Randy's had to deal with that. The flooding out in Phoenician Bay. I just don't think we need to be paving over more of things. There's more land going into this innovation project than there is into conservation. Sounds sort of backwards to me. Anyway, I am opposed to it. Just one little voice out here in the wilderness. But as a native Floridian, I hate to see us paving over everything. Thank you very much. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate your comments. Good evening. My name is Sonia Giedri. I'm Sonia Baker Giedri. I am a Floridian. I was born in Daytona. My father was born in Daytona. In 1910, I've been here a long time. I have lived all over Florida, born in Daytona, but during the war, my father had been moved for work up in Jacksonville. And in University of Florida, I taught science school and school in Brevard County for 20 years and raised kids part of the time and came back chose to come back to News Mournabeech, not Daytona Beach, not Margaritaville, not Coco Beach. I chose to come back to News Mournabeech, very special place, and I really appreciate it. I'm a member of the Florida Native Plant Society and I have actually walked out there in the area they're talking about. I've walked with Clay Henderson out into an area, all this is wetlands by the way. It is wetlands on the map. I think the young lady who left the t-shirt with her young child, she wanted to point out that it's called Spruce Creek's Wamp on a map. So, and I have know that Bob Bullard from Sierra Club said his high school project was to follow Spruce Creek until he went all the way out to found the spot where the water was even, and the water going north was going to Spruce Creek, the one that was going south to Lake Harney and the St. John's River of District. So when I went out with Clay Henderson to do a bird trip, guess what? We had to divert ourselves because from one trail to another because it is wet. And I do know that all the whole area was bought and this whole swath of area from Brevard County, all the way up through Volusia. This whole swath west of I-95 is truly wetlands. And the people, it would be the Miami Corps, during that family. Miami Corps bought up all this land, and it seems to have had different owners all along. And I do know that they wanted it to be agriculture, forest and conservation. And when it were finally farm-dended come along with the arrangement, part of it would be five acre ranchettes, the thing that the high salesmen wanted to tell you about. Five-acre ranchettes are not an big impact. So water has a chance to flow properly. And the other thing is, I'm a native plant society. You have a rare and demic plant, only grows in Volusia County called Ruhel's Paw Paw. Deeringo Thamnes Rugelli, I, apparently Mr. John K. Small was funded by Deering family during the 1920s and he happened to come along this little plant that Mr. Rugal had discovered. And it's ironic to me that there are populations of Rugal's Papa on the very land that you want to call Daring Park. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate your comments. Thank you so much. Hi, my name is Liz Bonson. I'm actually a resident of Orman Beach. I live a few miles away from the fuel terminal. So I wish we had discussions of land use before this came about. So I'm here just to discuss with you the words, the concerns that a lot of people have in this area. You're going to build on wetlands. And did you know that the EPA says for every acre of wetlands, it holds 1.5 gallons of storm water. So how many acres are you about to build on? 1.5 million gallons per acre is going to have nowhere to go except probably east over to Glencoe Road in Corbin Park area or it's going to go into that wetland area that you're preserving. Well that's going to, could that turn into just standing water? Then you've basically taken out the wildlife corridor and kudos to you, your grandkids will be proud of that. The fact that the stormwater management, the St. Joe's stormwater management board has concerns about this, they didn't bat an eyelash for your interstate exchange. So the fact that their concern should raise your eyebrows too. You guys did an exposure analysis a couple years ago, and it deemed this as a flood risk risk so that's just another warning. So you guys have been warned and then to go forth with not knowing how they're gonna mitigate all this storm water it kind of reminds me of space balls you know and Rick Marinas said ludicrous speed that's where you're going. I don't know Miss Misforin has like her farmton Christmas bonus on the line here and wants to vote now, but I mean the whole community is wanting you, so I just hold back and do more talk on the subject matter. So thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Welcome to News Murdobe. I appreciate your comments. Good evening, everybody. My name is Tony Adi. I live at 3530 Grand Tuscanyway in Venetian Bay. I'm here to support the Deering Park Innovation Center and my support goes along with the recommendations for approval from the Planning and Zoning Board and the staff. Our wonderful city is facing several challenging problems. First is the tax base which we've talked about here. The latest data I found on the property appraisers website says the Newsamer and a Beach tax base is made up of 83.6 percent residential properties while Port Orange, Norman Beach and the land's residential shares of their respective tax bases are all in the 60th percent tiles. So by comparison we residents here are shouldering a significantly higher percentage of our city's tax burden. And the common concern for parents is that our children do not have enough options for employment in our area when they graduate from school. We need a plan for sites that will attract companies with higher wage jobs. With our location between Embry Riddle, Aeronautical University in Daytona and Cape Canaveral, we are poised to attract design and manufacturing companies in the aviation and aerospace sectors. For example, I'm sure you read that Emory Riddle just announced a partnership with Boeing to bring higher wage jobs to their campus. We are truly fortunate to have the proposed Deering Park Innovation Center from the Miami Corp. And we talked about Farmington here, well Farmington in 2013 won a Florida Agricultural Environmental Leadership Award from the Florida Department of Agriculture. So the plan has many good features. And the ordinance before you, tonight does move us away from the permitting of those 10 acre residential lots that are allowed right now on the property. And we most assuredly do not want that type of development. We need to recognize opportunities that are positive for our city and our children's future. The Deering Park Innovation Center is one such opportunity and as a Venetian Bay resident of 14 years and my family and I have been coming here since the 80s before we moved to Venetian Bay, I fully support this project. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Audi. Appreciate your comments. Leaving, please. Hello. Good evening. Bliss Jamison. I'm here to speak to you today on behalf of the Southeast Volusia Manufacturing and Technology Coalition, 635 Air Park Road at Georgia, Florida. Southeast Volusia Manufacturing and Technology Coalition is all about jobs. of Air Park Road at Georgia, Florida. Southeast pollution manufacturing and technology coalition is all about jobs. The city has indicated their desire to attract good companies that create high-paying jobs and to diversify the tax base. And you've been disappointed that companies have not come here due to the lack of shovel ready sites and appropriate zoning. The city has worked with the landowner to create Deering Park Innovation Center as an area to attract this light industrial company and corporate headquarters as desired. Williamson Boulevard has been approved and will begin construction before we know it. I urge you to approve the Deering Park Innovation Center 9B and C or else we run the risk of more track homes instead of jobs. I ask you to keep working with the landowner to create this industrially-zoned property. For the companies that we want, we need, you say you want and need and this is I'm gonna help diversify the tax base and Create a lot of opportunity to come Thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it, bless Hi, I'm Tiffany Kyle. I'm at 620 hidden pines Boulevard and I just want to say that I would like to see the comprehensive plan amendment revised so that not all of the 1,618 acres are re-zoned to industrial mixed use. Currently, 577 acres, as you know, is zoned conservation. 661 acres are wetlands. I got this from the materials that were in the packets for previous meetings related to this. So you can find those yourself where I can email them to you. About currently about half of those wetlands will be impacted by the proposed development that was under the putt. So just so that you know this as it's currently designed would affect wetlands. So I'm concerned that you are giving up your power over this 1,618 acres by rezoning all of it to industrial mixed use. Before you get agreements from the applicant on the pod, it seems like that do you pay your child before they do the chores, if you've got an agreement with them on that, or do you wait till they do the chores and then you pay them. It seems like we're kind of giving the reward before we get the work done. So I ask that you, I know that the developers have proposed that they'll retain 400 acres as natural vegetation, natural vegetation may or may not be conservation. So if you could please transform some of those acres or allow some of those acres to remain conservation and not rezone everything. Sorry, I get really nervous when I'm in front of people. That's it. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate those comments. Hello, Mr'am. Appreciate those comments. Lord, Mr. Williams Good evening, Bob Williams 767 Pine Shore Circle mayor commissioners. I'm here tonight speaking in support of your approval of the Deering Park Innovation Center Complanta, MMA this initiative is essential for the quality of life and future of New Samirna Beach for a variety of reasons. Florida's growth trend has been going on for decades, and demographers all agree this trend will continue into the foreseeable future, so we must plan for it. Property owners have development rights, and our leaders need to plan for this in a way that preserves and enhances our quality of life and best practices have proven that a regional approach is the best way to do this. These property owners will continue to respond to the growth demands. The site and question already has rights to build hundreds of branch heads. History has shown that these lead to the proliferation of roads, wells, septic tanks, fences, and suboptimal stormwater management. In this instance, we are blessed to have a property owner that is willing to take a regional long term perspective. They are offering to dedicate 400 acres in conservation tied to over 45,000 preservation acres on their other properties. This plan eliminates ranch at roads and fencing while preserving environmental wildlife corridors and provides for a regional storm water plan that will give us storm water resilience, reduce the current threat to surrounding communities like Benetian Bay, and naturally recharge our drinking water aquifer in the conservation lands. They have committed to help us diversify our tax base by allocating space for light industrial and job creation areas exactly in the location that over the last four years, hundreds of citizens and community leaders have said we wanted, reducing the property tax burden on our residents and providing good jobs for our children and grandchildren. The plan calls for a commercial area near state of state road 44 with theaters, groceries that will redirect traffic from the east. They committed in writing to the laying residential development until at least 500,000 square feet of non-residential is constructed. They have committed that no development will occur until a stormwater management system is in place and they have agreed to post a bond or a letter of credit to ensure there is no runoff to Venetian Bay. I respectfully request that you vote in favor of this tonight to let this initiative continue to move forward. They have committed to continue to work with city staff and public to address any additional concerns in the subsequent PUD. Thank you for your consideration and thank you as always for your service. Thank you sir, appreciate your comments Bob. Good evening my name is Chris Dragan, live 3015, Arrica Avenue, New Sumern Beach. I have respect for you all. You got a tough job. Trying to save for the growth of New Sumerna, as well as meet what the residents are looking for. Unfortunately, I didn't find about this until I read the paper. I'll have to follow the New Sumerna website much closer to see what's really happening in our community. But I don't plan on being a watchdog Because to me that's your all-the-job not mine And one of the other things that I heard so often is the tax base I've lived in a couple different places and every time they talk about commercial development Hey, we need jobs we're gonna bring businesses in the first thing they do is give tax breaks. So hopefully that's not going to be the plan to get the businesses here because you're saying you're going to lower my, well not lower, never look, taxes never go lower. But that they won't increase as much. Also the town does need growth, but it needs responsible growth. There's a tenant and it's called Theory of the Commons. I don't know how many of you are familiar with it. But if you are, it's an excellent thing to think about and how that can apply to News and Murder Beach. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate your comments. Hi there. I'm Jennifer Collins, 253 Monarcha B2ue. And first of all, I would like to say, if I could wave a magic wand, I wouldn't develop anything. I like nature like everything way it is. Being a realist or maybe a sync, whichever the underlying tone for me here is that development is going to happen. These landowners can't have a right to sell their land. And so we can either choose how that you have some participation in that or not. So that given, if we have to have any development in town, I'd love to see more of the Babcock style development, something more sustainable, something that helps us not rely on cars. I'm so sick of like. I came from Atlanta. Atlanta is not a good model of development. Though in the last few years that I was there, the urban area was really coming together and developing old railway beds and making biking opportunities for commuting and more dense buildings so that people could use public transit and those sorts of things. Obviously, we're in a different position here. We're a small town and I don't expect that to happen. But if we have this development and we're thinking, you know, 30 years from now, can we please, please, please stop the development that relies on the car? And also, I make a plea to you guys. Please, if the development goes to... Ma'am, right up here. Please, if this development goes through, please, can we rely on native plants, natural building materials, things that require less energy, less water, those kinds of things, let's be smart about it. That's my wish. I hope that you guys will pull them to that, based on just me, of course. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Appreciate it. Good evening, sir. Hello. Good evening. My name is Alex Knight. I live in Corvian Park, 2217, Juanita Drive. And so some of my concern is the eagerness that I hear from the officials about this project when on the proposed that to me seems like in very early stages and without detail. As the gentleman pointed out, I'm concerned about the water flow, the natural water flow, west and south, and how they claim to be in the map, but in reality everything flows north, including the San John's River. Somehow everything flows north, but somehow the developer has a magic wand, but in this case is gonna run west and south, or eventually he's gonna turn north and through the communities. So without proper infrastructure or an explanation of how can he do this miracle, I just don't think he should be voted on yet. I also want to know how is this project different from the Vinicium Bay one where platinum builders right now they put a stop on that construction because of flooding issues. It's really closed by. It's basically across the street. And if you look at those retention plants right there right now, they were to the top a couple days ago with just regular, normal rain pattern, not even a storm or anything. So how is this any different from that that has been stopped now because of floating concerns? The other issue I have is, you know, I also sympathized with one of the neighbors that mentioned that why are we re-soning the entire area when there's some areas that are already designated conservation and protection that maybe you should not re-sown the entire area, limited to some parts or at least get a better detailed plan before you do that, rather than handing it over and then having them, if nothing goes back, you're re-warned them because they'll just turn the property and make money on it and get nothing out of it. And that will be a good, I guess the best scenario. So thank you very much and I would like to encourage you to not vote in favor of this. Thank you. Thank you sir. Appreciate your comments. I'm going to throw a different angle at you tonight. Mr. Storch did a great present and I'm going to throw a different angle at you tonight. Mr. Storch did a great present and I'm going to throw a different angle at you tonight. Mr. Storch did a great present and I'm going to throw a different angle at you tonight. Mr. Storch did a great present and I'm going to throw a different angle at you tonight. Mr. Storch did a great presentation. And I've read the MDA, and that's what I was afraid you were going to pass tonight. And somehow I missed the memo that said it's been scheduled in October. And I also heard Mr. Stortz say that he and his clients would be willing to revisit the MDA. And that is an absolute must because the way it is today, it's written all in their favor. And you just look at the, and we said before we were not going to give MDA's 30-year life. We're going to shorten them. Well, that's got a 30-year life. And the only thing that it requires them to be vested is for a section of Williamson Boulevard to be put in place. And they're vested for 30 years whether they do another thing or not. And most of us in this room are gonna be around in 30 years. But the city is gonna be saddled with maintaining that development based on the MDA and the PUD that we signed this year. And again, I know you've heard Venetian Bay to your sick of it, but that's the best example we've got of how the project's shrug out from 2005 to 2024. And we're still arguing about the MDA, what's in it, what's not. And all I ask is that take your time, decline and Mr. Storch's willingly said they will review it. So let's make it appropriate in a win-win for everybody. They can put in there exactly where the community centers going. They can put in their plans exactly where every recreational part will be and then it's no question thank you very much for your time thank you sir appreciate your comments hello my name is Tyson Coles I live at 1490 James Street, born and raised here in the county. And I'm shooting from the hip here, but I'm pretty sure I'm the only farmer in this entire building. I have a two year old. I'm probably one of the very few that also has that. And to this last speaker's point in 30 years, I probably I'll still be here. And I don't have a lot of arguments. It's an excellent pitch. And I'm a utilitarian at the end of the day. And I want the best use for land for the community as possible. But the pitch is also very good. And it states that this is the last bit of that land in this area that can be developed. So my whole point here is, once that's gone, what else do we have? Where else are we going to grow? We're all talking about the tax dollars, we're all talking about changing how things are, how we're making money as a community, but a generation two out, what are we looking at? What are we really looking at? What land are we really going to have? What are we doing with the land that we have left? And I'm not satisfied yet by the land use plans that they have here as well. So that's the only thing I have to say besides the fact that I was also kind of bamboozled by this, I'm fighting another development with the city of Edgelwater right now. My home was filled with four feet of water, Duranian. So my point is there's a lot of people that don't know that this is happening. And ignorance is bliss. But it's not a threat, but we're going to get more involved. And there's going to be more people that are going to be very upset about what's happening right now under what they perceive under their noses. And so I respect all of you, most of you I voted for, but there is going to be more people talking and calling soon. And I don't mean that as a threat, I just mean it as the way it's going to be. Thank you. Thanks sir. Appreciate your comments. Mr. S you, sir. Appreciate your comments. Mr. Sager, welcome. I truly feel like I should do one of those seminar things. Everybody stands up, does some jumping jacks, and moves around a little bit. This has been a long one tonight. Scott Sager, I lived at 466 Port Champaign Circle in Port Orange. I was speaking tonight in my capacity as a business owner here in New Smirna Beach, and I stand in support of the Deering Park Amendment. I'm a realtor. As such, I understand the perception is I'm most likely a supporter of development and growth, and that's true. I am a supporter of development. I am a supporter of growth, but development and growth that ensures we keep the character of the community we have here that we've all come to know and love in beautiful New Smart-A-Beach. In the past, I've been instrumental in bringing in national speakers to our community to help define our growth pattern and a growth that's built on an economy that's based on environmental strengths. Protecting this land is very important. I and my fellow realtors, we sell homes, we sell commercial properties, and we sell businesses. All based on the sustained beauty of this amazing town of New Spurnabeech. Many of us are concerned about the narrowed tax base that focuses too much on revenue coming from residential property owners. I understand that everybody in this room, yourselves included, wants to be the last person to move to New Smirna Beach. Because the next person who moves here is truly going to tip the balance and ruin everything that brought them to this incredible city. I share that fear with you. I truly do. But I also share the fear of property owner rights being trampled on because we don't like what's being proposed by the new owner. Imagine the same thing happening to you when you want to build a deck or a fence or something else on your property and you're told no because your neighbor doesn't like it or they're concerned that it might somehow damage their property. That's why I embrace this opportunity for our representatives participating in the development of the properties to the west. Only last night I attended the commission meeting or the council meeting down in Edgewater. And one of the wise council members stood up and said, you've got to be careful that your prevent property owners from developing land, especially when they agree to do everything you want them to do, they come back and sue. And here's what happens. A judge who doesn't care about New Sumerna looks only at the law and decides that you made a bad decision based on the law. You have an opportunity here to mitigate some of that, to work with developers, to make sure we get what we want, which makes this jewel that we have created in Florida, survive well beyond us. I know I won't make the 30 years that we were talking about here earlier, and I understand the passion. I love this community. But you've got to do these things intelligently, you've got to do the right things. I stand in support of moving forward this project so that you guys can make good choices and protect this beautiful town we call New Smyrna. Thank you sir. Appreciate your comments Scott. Anyone else for public participation? Seeing none public participation is now closed. Does the city have any closing remarks? Mr. Storch says the applicant have any closing remarks. No. Just all these things we've talked about, you know, there was a question as to whether or not we should put this together with the PUD. This comp plan has no specifics. The specifics are what your comp plan designation is. The specifics are in the PUD. And that is something I am willing to continue to work with and as I've indicated to a number of people, I'm going to continue to work with them as I already have. Thank you sir. Appreciate that. Public hearing is now closed. And this commission will now consider the proposal. The comments or questions I have a few. To many, the only thing they most assuredly like less than the way things are is if there's any change to what things are. I'm delighted with the public participation tonight and the passion with which I see from our concerns citizens. I'm a bit perplexed by the even maybe unintended threat that if you don't do what I want you to do, I will vote you out. There's no organization in this town that or individual that will own my vote when I committed in front of you swearing on a Bible to do the very best things I can possibly do for this city, for the whole, for the majority. So to think that a vote on one item and we make decisions galore, week after week, month after month, that this one decision would be the tipping point where you say we don't want you to protect our city anymore because you didn't do what I wanted you to do. It doesn't hold water with me. There's some that just say no. There's a group that says, I want to be like we used to be and don't want anything to change to you. I'm very sorry the clock will tick and we will change. I want to protect our coastal community. I want to protect the environment. I want to protect what we have today. But then genie out of the bottle, it does not go back and I know that. And so caution and math, logic and science, when we make big decisions like that is important, just as much as transparency, just as much as getting everybody's opinion on it. We need to learn a huge lesson from Venetian Bay. We need to take a lesson there and never ever let the promise not be realized. We need to hold accountable those that would plan and then change the plan and not offer what they promised. The item of tax is on the ballot to new businesses coming to New Sumerna. Every resident will have the opportunity to vote on whether they want new businesses to get a tax break for the first 10 years or not. That's in your direct hands. We need to get the stormwater management absolutely right. We don't need to do it after the fact. We need to do it ahead of the fact or tanned about with the fact because that's our biggest threat. That's the quality of life that is really in bad shape for some and we need to do all we can humanly do with using the logic and the math and the science and the best engineering minds that we have available around the country. I take this one very seriously as does every of every other one of my colleagues. We're grateful for the grateful for the pitch. We understand that the details are not in the pitch. This is not one and done. This is many, many more steps. That's why I asked the attorney, is there an escape clause? If this goes south, am I, are we hooked? And the answer is no, we are not hooked. We have an escape clause when it says, nope, just doesn't sound like it's gonna get there. Just doesn't sound like it's the right thing for the community. Just doesn't sound like you've got the water plan perfect. So we have that, which gives me great comfort. Long evening, a lot of good dialogue went back and forth, and this is one step in a thousand step process. And as long as we have that we continue to have the ability to, if we misstep or discover something and you hear me talking to the director of laser services as you are our protector, we are all leaning on you for making sure you lead the way to uncover all those rocks and not have an aha moment after the fact. This commission will continue to turn over those rocks before it's too late. Those are my comments. I'm on the record for that and we'll deal with the consequences as they come. Is there a motion on this particular... I'll make a motion. Man. Say it for discussion. But motion, get this right here. There's a motion to adopt ordinance number 3424. And I second. We have a second and discussion, Commissioner McGurray. Thank you, Mayor. Take the heart a lot of what you said. You know, the last meeting on this issue, I asked for and got unanimous support to move the PUD and the MDA to a future date. And that future date, while there's something talked about in October, they're supposed to be a workshop. And that's what I think is an October. We're not going to hear the necessarily the MDA and the PUD in October. I can tell you that I couldn't imagine, because there's a lot of work that has to be done on that. That document, those two documents are what is key to what everybody's concern that I heard tonight. It's not necessarily what we're voting on tonight. So I've been asked by a number of you to postpone the vote or vote no. Voting no kills the project. I have a lot of things to consider. I don't think killing a project is in my cards. So I ask myself what does postponing to vote do tonight? This is not the MDA, the PUD. This is simply a change in zoning. There's not really anything to change in this zoning. I think the confusion is that the everything that people have discussed as a concern is all dealt with in the PUD and the MDA. And I want to stress that. And that PUD and MDA, we can all work on for as long as we feel that we need to. City Attorney, I have a question for you. Am I or anyone, am I obligated at any time to accept or approve the MDA or PUD? Or is that something that is at the MDA or PUD? Or is that something that is at my discretion? In other words, let me clarify. Am I legally at any time obligated to have to vote? Yes, for the PUD or the MDA. So you do have to allow a use, but you don't have to approve it if you're not comfortable with the stormwater, the parking, the timeline, the phasing, all of those things. So you do have to give them a right to develop their property, but under what terms and conditions, that's what you all can work on. So the answer basically is no. I have not, at some point, someone's gonna tell me, we've done it, we have to vote on it. By law, a number of times when we get projects, we are required. Once they've met a certain criteria, we are obligated by law to vote on it. And to approve it by law, because they've met the discretion of the city and the requirements and laws and ordinances. But that is not the case per se with a PUD and MDA. If I don't believe it has met a certain criteria, I am not obligated to vote on it. Correct, you would wanna have experts galore looking at this to determine because if the only testimony testimony before you is This meets everything you've asked for then you might have an issue, but You know it's gonna be in those experts who've reviewed it and looked at the stormwater and said, you know This achieves the goals that you all are Yeah, so achieving trying to achieve so fellow commissioner Martin asked if Suggested that we take this up at the workshop I'm Flexible on that I'm not sure it accomplishes a Gold though, so I'm kind of curious as to what tangible, what tangible, what could we hope to ordinance that we're going to vote on tonight, 34-24, where exhibit A, CPA-1-24 is titled Deering Park Innovation Center, proposed future land use map. Deering Park Innovation Center doesn't exist tonight. It is a concept that we hope to put into place, presumably in October. So what happens if we pass this comprehensive land plan tonight and it's subsequent future land use definition, which includes verbiage specifically related to and naming Deering Park Innovation Center. But what happens to these ordinances if we should for some reason not go through with the PUD at MDA? Now we have these sort of orphaned items out there that relate only to Deering Park Innovation Center, which as I said, theoretically doesn't exist yet. I think the city attorney answered that question, which we have not even discussed putting it into it. I see, I just don't see it as being clean yet. You know, if we work on the three together because they are inextricably intertwined and it feels like we're sort of putting these two out here where they sort of float in space until we can put it together with that PUD and MDA. So those are my concerns. Generally speaking, we make regulations that don't apply to one business or one entity that are in fact applied, you know, have a broader base, but these specifically name the entity. I have a question for the applicant if that objection. Go ahead and I know you have a timeline. Yes. Specifically on what we have to vote with tonight. The PUDMDA, we could take a lot of time. What is the deadline that you're under because I'm concerned that there's a variety of deadlines that are provided for in the agency reviews and so if we don't adopt within those time frames this is dead but on top of that like I said I mean this is this is a question of whether or not you want to proceed or not at this point the question is do you want to proceed there's nothing that would be changed to the comp plan by going and taking this to a workshop. This is a comp plan designation and again if the question is I don't like calling it during park that's fine but you do the exact same thing with South Village you have a provision in the comp plan now that says South Village. I don't want to get in. I know my question to you is simply, what does your timeline look like if I send it up and it doesn't have a workshop? I have time to work on the PUD. We don't have to have this October 27, 22. We can certainly look at the idea of having workshops. I want to meet with some of these folks here, because I think that's important. I've heard some of their comments again, you know, I've tried to work with everybody. I want to make sure that we're all in the same shape of music here because this is so important the future of Miss Warner Beach. Not sure I got a specific, if this came back before us in the first meeting October, is that work within your time frame? I don't know. I can tell you that right now, I need to get this, I should say, I need to get this, the city needs to get this adopted, the comp plan adopted tonight. So let me ask you a different way and see if I can help get there. And we do not wanna appear or or act in fact be in a sieve where we have to keep moving, keep moving, keep moving. I do not like the threat of that Glenn. No. And so if the PUD takes five months to get done, no problem, six months. I can we have no plans for development. This is a planning. I just want to make sure and that's a process which Commissioner Martin is concerned about. Maybe the City Attorney can help us. Help me with the protocol of how this logically needs to flow legally because there are people who want to get the detail and we all want it. But do we need it now before we get there? Because they're people concerned that this is a trick and that as soon as we say yes, we're stuck with something. And I wanna get either that either dismissed or authenticated. So you cannot approve the details until you provide the process, which is through that comprehensive plan. Simple as that. The comprehensive plan has to happen first. But there is no deadline for approving the PUD after the complains of the complains of the process. How much time is it after the complains of just how much time do you have to read the PUD? So the only trigger, it hasn't even started because we did not have first reading on the MDA, so if it took a year, that would be fine. Okay, so a year, well, that's not a whole year, but a year. I mean, you are working with an applicant, but there's no deadline. And I'm sensitive to the title throwing people off. I never considered this. You talked about it early on being a living park. When I think innovation park, innovation center, I think an industrial complex. But I think the broader view of this thing is that you want it to be look like a park, like a park. Like we all know what parks mean, not just a business park. So that helps change my mindset, my frame of mind. Because that's why we have, as one lady indicated, we have bike trails, we have multimodal trails, we have trails for electric vehicles. The whole concept is to avoid, or to be able to work within the sustainable areas. And she's right about Atlanta. Downtown Atlanta, you could do that now. But outside of Atlanta, it's horrible. Appreciate your comments and let's limit it to answering our questions if we can allow that. This is an amendment to change the comp plan. This is not to work out the details of the mixed use specific to a daring park. So I can understand why the title is kind of weird and may feel like an orphan if it goes downhill you have got this out there and it will always have been called during park and it could be called anything we want it to. The best use of this land, if not this, what? If not this, what will happen to this land? Will it stay virgin land? Can it do that? There's no way. Your comp plan specifically provides or contemplates, like I say, this is part of the South Village concept, and so a major residential development is what your comp plan says. That's logically what will happen. But again, in five or 10 years, what's the highest in best use? I don't know. When things happen, you're gonna have more pressure to do more things. That's why planning now and getting everyone to agree to it is so important. I appreciate your money. As far as the change of the time from during part, we can change it to whatever carry it suggested which is Business park area right in industrial mixed-use development Sustainable industrial mixed-use development Okay, but if you wanted and I think the name change is helpful in terms of if we don't approve the MDA and or the PUD. But the other thing is, I think this is such a massive comprehensive plan change. This affects such a huge area. Two out of three people came in saying, please functionally, please don't say, do this. And I just feel like we really need to have more citizen input before making what amounts to a massive, comprehensive plan change. And I mean, this affects a huge. It will definitely impact the city of New Spurnabeeche. And so shouldn't the stakeholders have more of a say? OK. I'm done. Okay. Anybody else? Okay, is there a motion? And please be specific. I have a- We have a- We have a- All right, and we're going to leave the Deering Park in there. Okay, very good. Any other discussion about motion? The second Madam City Clerk call roll. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. I'm not ready yet, now. Vice Mayor Perrine. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Thank you, the motion carries. Okay, there's a number nine B is related to this. We have six minutes before we need a motion to extend. And I have one of the a motion to extend or not. I can motion to extend. Motion to extend to 11 o'clock. Second. Madam City Clerk, call the roll. Commissioner Hartman. Yes. Commissioner Martin. No. Vice Mayor Prane. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. No. All right. Motion carries. Okay. Ordinance number 3424. Conduct a second reading and public hearing, which if adopted would create a large scale. Sorry, I'm sorry, ten C. 42, 24 conduct a second reading public hearing for an ordinance which if adopted was established during Park Innovation Center at Newsomernabee to mending the language in the future land use element of the comprehensive plan. Madam City Attorney, if you'll read this by title only please. Ordnance number 4224, an ordinance mending the City of Newsomernabee to comprehensive plan. Mending part to future land use element to limit future development for the Deering Park Innovation Center. Providing for a amendment of the associated comprehensive plan maps provided for required Transmittles providing for public hearings providing for conflicting ordinances and providing an effective date Thank you ma'am Director Corbin or anxious for your reports are Thank you well actually presented on this and conjunction with the last the last time, but if there's any more questions. Any questions? Any further questions for the city? Very good. Thank you very much. Anything more from the applicant? No, thank you very much. The public hearing is now open. If there are any citizens who wish to speak on this topic, please come forward. You'll be heard for three minutes. For those of you viewing most of the citizens of left the room, public hearing is now closed. Is there any closing remarks from either of you gents? Nope, nope, very good. What is the will of the commission? How do you see this? And would you like to make a motion? Motion to approve ordinance 42-24. Motion for 42-24 is our second. Second. Very good. Perfect timing. Commissioner Martin. The motion in the second any further discussion? Madam City Clerk, please call the roll. Commissioner Martin. No. Vice Mayor Prin the roll. Commissioner Martin. Yes. No. Vice Mayor Prin. Yes. Commissioner McGurk. Yes. Commissioner Harvman. Yes. Mayor Cleveland. Yes. Motion is adopted. Thank you very much for that. We're going to move on to first readings. City Attorney will read ordinance 5324 for the first time. Please be entitled only the second reading and public hearing will be held on September 24th. Ordnance number 5324, an ordinance amending the City of Nysumerna Beach Code of Ordnances, amending Chapter 1 general provisions to add Section 1-16 business impact estimates, implementing the state statutory mandate to prepare business impact estimates prior to the adoption of proposed ordinances, pursuant to Section 166-041 sub-4 floor to statutes. Adopting business impact, estimate procedures requirements and exemptions, providing for codification, providing for public hearing, providing for collecting ordinances, providing for severability and providing an effective date. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate that. We're going to move on to the boards. Number 11 here. We have one advisory board, the airport advisory board, the appointment of three members to serve and turn that over to the city clerk. Good evening. I do have three members that are up for reappointment consideration. I've spoke to all three. They are interested in being reappointed. The terms of Sleslester, Gary Norville and Roulan Starley are the ones that are up for reappointment considerations. Sleslester is, has served two terms going into her third. Gary Norville has served three terms going into his fourth and Roulan Starley has served one term going into his second. So this evening I'm looking for direction from commission regarding the appointments of all three. And there's also, I'm sorry, there's also a resident Shelly Diaz at 2568 Sunset Drive that has submitted her application as interested in serving on the board. Nominations. So I will nominate C. Lee Diaz. There's one. Could I add to that? I think so. Do you want them all at once? Or do you want them one at a time? I think all at once would be fine as long as in as as long as somebody remembers the motion maker remembers that if it exceeds two terms for either member Lester or Remember norville that a waiver to exceed you know to go right so we got two members that are over right now Yes, and one who is it isn't and a new applicant to fill three spots? I'd like to add to that and just make the motion to reappoint Rulon, Starlie, Gary, Norville with the waiver for the member Norville's term limit and then also appoint the Diaz, Sheely Diaz to serve as a regular member. Can we do it all like that with the reappointments and the new member, the new person. We've got nominated so far, Dia's Starling and Norm. Any? I can clarification. I'm sorry. Sure. Starling and Norm will reappoint with she Lee. We need all three. Star, that's right. We need three spots filled. There's a nomination for Dia's Starling and Norm. Thank you. No. Wait a minute. Did you say that Gary would be going into his fourth term? That is correct. Yeah, so Gary's in his fourth term and Celeste would be going into her third term. So I don't know how we put Gary over Celeste. That's at least in my mind. So for simplicity, can we take this slide? Two votes please. We'll vote on the first two, which don't require waiver and then we'll consider our way through. Let's vote on Diaz, the applicant, and Starling the first term or first. And Kelly, do you want to do ballot or do you want to do? I have a ballot, maybe that would make it easier. Perfect, do that. That's what we should have asked the first time. Yeah, and was there a recommendation by the airport manager or the city clerk. I could not speak it. I recommend. Are we putting in, we need three people, are we going to mark all three on the ballot? I'm going to vote for two and then go to earn and see if we've nominate both the two existing people. Oh, well, why don't we just put, why don't we just mark who we want? Okay. You've got to pick three out of four. And then we'll need a waiver. Then we'll need a separate motion for a waiver. Yeah, depending on who we want. All right, mark for your three and then we'll move, we'll have a separate motion for a waiver. That was our opinions. I think that's what we decided to do. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we need a waiver one way or two. We'll need the waiver for. Right. Yeah. Okay. I have the results from that. So there were two that tied for five votes each and that was Gilly Diaz and Riland Starley. They came in at the top. The next one was Celeste Leicester with four votes, Gary Norville with one. So if I'm looking at these. Make a motion to wave the term of this first less Is there a second yeah, there was great madam city clerk call a roll Vice mayor pre yes Commissioner McGurk yes Commissioner Harpman yes Commissioner Martin yes Yes, yes, thank you. Thank you very much Thank you to the candid Dia's Starling and Lester for putting your names forward and continuing to serve or beginning to serve your city. We're grateful the city clerk's office will be in touch. And now on to the commission reports. Commissioner Hartman. So, fortunately we've had some rain in the last few days so we should get some positive or negative, we'll get test results from the Nation Bay Water Studies. So hopefully we'll kind of get that project going and come to a conclusion on where we are with that and then look into what the issues are. I checked with the Assistant City Manager and Geosamstil's not putting anything in writing as far as their parking. Project is and nor have they made any, put any sign in Jeopardy or started anything as of Thursday I think Friday when I was out there last. So that's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good idea to have a good time. I think it's a good like to make a motion for the commission to reconsider the legislative item from last 827, rezoning a property from B2 to B4. What we did was take it out of commercial and put it into residential. The zoning follows the property, not the applicant or project. And this area is in need of small neighborhood businesses and we should support that. It also seems counterintuitive to vote for more residential when we are working to increase our commercial industrial tax base. So I would like to make the motion for the commission to reconsider rezoning that property from B2 to B4. Is there a second? The motion dies. What else have you got? That's enough for one night. Thank you, Mayor. Commissioner McGurk. I really have nothing to say other than welcome city manager. I hope we made your first one a long one. We do this from time to time but we try to we try not to welcome aboard. Glad to have you. Vice Mayor. Same sentiments. I don't have anything other than I saw a lot of emails flying back and forth all day to day and welcome because that's typical for our days of commission meetings and you handled everything well and we're happy to have you here tonight. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. City Manager, welcome aboard. We're delighted to hear you and Jenny. It will be an asset to our community for a long time. We're looking forward to your contributions and respect your wisdom and experience. Thank you very much Attended elected officials roundtable today. I'll send the power points to all of us It's really really great stuff both hospitals chimed in with all their innovations The health department chimed in about what they're doing to help us along the way in great medical advances for those that are underserved. The Sturt Marksman Associates organization, they talked about partnering with our police departments and helping us in that way. I'll talk to City Manager about she fell and get on to that. We've always you county off on an off beach parking is coming. There's a big PowerPoint on that. You hear a public works director Ben Bartlett talking about that. We'll be we'll become part of that. And that's all I have without any other add-ins. We'll ask the City Court, if you've got anything, ma'am. Thank you for making Judge Height feel welcome tonight. He's asking to return in November. That was really nice. Yeah, and he's a resident as well. I'm at Obsidian Attorney. No report tonight. Mr. City Manager. Nothing else, sir. Thank you. Thank you. We're adjourned.