I call to order this December 2, 2024 City Council meeting. Roll call. Mayor Jepieu. Present. Councilwoman Gillis. Here. Councilwoman Dalbo. Here. Councilman Thomas. Here. Councilman Wilkie. Here. City Attorney Wolfe. Here. Interim City Manager Thurman. Here. City Clerk's Latinac president Please stand for the pledge of allegiance Please remain standing for a moment of time. Item 2, approval changes modifications to the agenda. How many are you, how many, see or deny it for the more touring discussion? I would like to move that to the front of the agenda with Council approval after the consent agenda I would also like to see if we can also move up 10 a and 10 b The last two meetings they have been here and they've waited to the entire meeting was over just to be table or not heard and Just to be respectful for their time tonight I want to see if we could also move that up earlier in the meeting possibly after I believe isn't 10 a thousand if I'm mixing up the letters and 10 a already supposed to be pulled as per Ryan. 10 a is the request for approval of major site plan of construction of a new public works facility. 10. Oh sorry. The city of edgewater. Sure, I have no problem with that whatsoever. Would you like to do the more torrent discussion first? And the more torrent discussion for the agenda is, sorry, just one, three seconds. It should be P, B and Q. Item P and Q after the consent agenda. Well, yeah, the other ones I'm sorry just to clarify. 10A and 10B. Oh, I'm looking at the wrong letters. Okay. And then then I wanted to bring up a bill when I talk to Ryan, he said you were going to look at pulling the items for I was talking about eight A. That eight A is an eight A supposed to be pulled as well. Uh table. Table. Sorry. Yeah. Eight A. And then eight E and eight E. And then eight E and eight E. And eight E and eight E. And eight E. And eight E and eight E. And eight E and eight E. And eight E and eight E. talking about 8A, that 8A is an 8A, is supposed to be pulled as well? Table. Table, sorry. Yeah, 8A, and then 8E and F, table till January. Please repeat that one more time for the record. 8A, 8E, and 8F, table those till January. OK. Table those to January. Okay 8 a 8 b skip to item 8 f Will be tabled until a date to be certain or the January meeting Okay, is there a recommendation to approve changes or modifications to the agenda excluding what was talked about? So you know concerns item three approval of the minutes item three a regular meaning the meeting November 6, 2023, item 3B, regular meeting December 4, 2023, item 3C, regular meeting March 24, 2024 is approval of the minutes. Make a motion to approve approval of the minutes for regular meeting December 6, 2023, regular meeting December 4, 2023, regular meeting March 4th 2023 regular meeting March 4th 2024 Okay, thank you to buy sorry councilman Thomas roll call Councilwoman Davo yes, Councilman Wilkie yes mayor DePio yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Item 4. Presentation of Proclamation's Plasts, Certificates, or Donations. Item 4A. Citizens' Business Recognization Award, the Mayor's Special Award. I'm very proud to announce that the Mayor's Special Award this year goes to Jamie Porter and Haley Visa. I can't thank them enough for all they do around the community. They're known all over the place. They might as well be a public official. We truly appreciate everything that they have done in the city of Edgewater from putting on a current holiday light contest, which is on their Facebook page. They're home girls to organizing several hurricane relief drives. And Hayley cares so much for the animals. You guys are truly appreciated. Thank you. I'm for be as presentation on the public works complex by retired environmental services director Brenda Dewey since that is on the agenda I believe which we had asked to be moved up I'd like for that to be given at that time if there's approval from the council since it all goes in there's one. I would appreciate that as well. I mean it could all be heard together. OK, awesome. Item 4c, presentation by Ms. Bliss Massie. On behalf of the Southeast Volusia, being in factoring in Technology Coalition, regarding new promotional video and new website. Good evening. I'm Bliss Jamison, president of the Southeast Volusia Manufacturing and Technology Coalition. And with me, I have Samantha Bergeron with the city of Newsmen of Beach now. She's the Economic Development Director there. And we have Mike Arman, who is the Economic Development Person for the City of Oak Hill. So we wanted to bring you the updates. So we have the updates for the website and Bonnie do you have your thumb drive? I do, but we couldn't get the thumb drive to work. Can't get the thumb drive to work. Try to work. I'm sorry. I'm going to put it in here. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. There's a problem with it. This is the first 60 second video on the new website. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. I'm going to get you a little bit more. Okay, now the, you may remember the video that we had on the website for the last year. So we have updated that one. And that one will be next. Ready? Thank you, Bonnie. A bridge in a place that combines the lifestyle of coastal Florida with the space and tools to support new industries and businesses. It's here in Southeast Valusia County, Florida, the lunch pad for your aerospace business. Southeast Valusia has an amazing niche in the market. We are positioned perfectly to be able to grow and expand our aviation and space commerce and aerospace technology. Well attracting employees is pretty easy. We're a beach community, we're a waterfront community. It's not expensive to buy a house. It's a nice place to live. It's a nice place to move to. Southeast Valusia is home to growing vibrant communities. Two major interstate systems, an international airport and access to seaports and the major metropolitan cities of Orlando and Jacksonville. Our area is also in the very heart of America's technology triangle with Kennedy Space Center to the south and Embry Riddle, Aeronautical University to the north. Students that come to Embry Riddle have a passion for aviation and aerospace. And they come here because they want to get a deep education in those areas and then go to work for the top aircraft manufacturers, airlines and aerospace companies. Companies have already invested more than a quarter of a billion dollars to bring their high-tech companies to the area. Southeast Valusia has the largest contiguous industrial area in the county. Governments and businesses are working hand- hand to expedite permits and get your business moving. In our development of Parktown, Phase 2 has already started with 83 acres. It'll be 1 million square feet of class A industrial warehouse space for manufacturing, specifically designated for space, aerospace, and commercial transportation space industry. Well, we're standing right now in a portion of a new master plan community called Deering Park. A key component is how do we participate and how do we complement the existing manufacturing in this community and the manufacturing in this community that's coming. Southeast Valusia has a strong workforce pipeline with top-ranked schools and colleges, vocational and STEM programs. Southeast Valusia is ready to work. Manufacturing is a growing and such a booming industry down here in Southeast Valusia County and so we have meticulously and strategically brought down CNC machining. We have welding options and then other programs that align with those. We work with organizations, the organizations that manufacture us directly, in understanding their needs and building custom trainings for them. Excellent schools and year round activities also make it a perfect place for raising a family. We are blessed to have many healthcare organizations in the area that really provide a lot of advanced medical services as well as high medical technology. We have a really great quality of life, very family friendly environment and that really allows for businesses also to be able to attract and retain new talent moving into the area. Here in Florida we have a unique capability. We have a unique lifestyle. Being able to actually live here, work here, play here, and watch your rocket and payload launch really gives us a unique capability. We're where we need to be to compete in Belucia County, what they've done there and a position to bring home the bacon. Industry, education, workforce, economy, and lifestyle. All reasons Southeast Volusia is the launch pad for your aerospace business. Okay, this is the website. We're just going to scroll through the first page so that you can get a feel for it. And then you can go back and revisit it at your leisure. No. Okay, that's not working today either. Okay, that's the video at the top. You can just scroll on past that since I don't have a mouse. Stop right there. This map will be interactive and you'll be able to hover over the blue airplanes and it will tell you more about those airports, the length of the runway, the capacity, etc. And if you'll scroll on down. Okay, right here. Relocate your business, the heart of the aerospace and aviation capital. Each of these blocks, three, four, one, they give you more information on the taxes, etc. If you'll scroll on down, the green arrow, anytime you click on a green arrow, it will take you to another page and give you more information. The Southeast Volucia Advantage talks about our infrastructure. Each of those boxes, the green boxes and those boxes at the bottom, they all tell you something different, different highlight. OK, and if you'll keep on scrolling down. This was the long video. We'll keep on going past that. We showed it to you just a moment ago. These are some of the companies within the high-tech triangle. And if you'll go on down, discover the good life. OK, this talks about Southeast F allutia and when you click on the green box, don't do it now. It will take you to a page about the cities and it has a large photo gallery of all of the different events and beautiful attributes that we have in the Southeast Volusia region and if you scroll on down. Okay, Southeast Volusia in the news. This showcases our monthly newsletters and our blogs and of course it gives you more information there. Scroll on down and then it talks about our cities, it'll link to each of the cities and then it lists a lot of the local manufacturers. It asks you to join the mailing list if you'd like to receive the monthly newsletter and then of course the contact information. Okay so that will be live at the end of the month, first of the year. And now I'm going to turn it over to Samantha. Really quick, sorry, I've gotten a couple of this is for Bonnie. I've gotten a few people who have reached out in the last two minutes, but there is now no sound or audio or anything showing up for people who are watching online. So I don't know if you want to address before we move forward or that's something you can look at if it's an IT issue somewhere else. There's showing that it's of no audio. It's showing that it's working before it was just the video there was audio. I don't think there's anything we can. We can show the video again. I do have a separate recorder. My screen is showing me that it's working. Please, please, please no public participation at this time. I'm just trying to look at it real quick. Let's take a I'm sorry to do this but let's the live stream. It's showing it. But I don't think. Yeah, I just got to miss it is working now. Just make sure we speak into the microphone. Does that work better? Yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean, definitely, everybody's gonna speak into the microphone so that it all does appear to be working right now. Okay. So for time's sake, I know you do have a long agenda tonight, but I just wanted to kind of bring you back to where we started this, this SEVMTC, which is a Southeast Flushia manufacturing and technology coalition, is the three cities working together. We're coming into our 10th year of existence, of working together to bring those higher paying jobs here to Southeast Volusia so that we can help to diversify our tax base so that we can put some of those taxes burden off of our residents and onto the businesses that are coming here and growing here and being successful here and that helps with our infrastructure as well and also just to also train and provide an amazing workforce and those partnerships that you talked that you saw on the video with our hospital and our education, Daytona State College and so forth. Thanks for time to say I know you do have a look. So what you're seeing here on this slide is the current advertisements. These were all came out in November. So for the site selection magazine, Greater Daytona, this is the livability magazine. That's the partnership that we do with Team Volusia. And as well as the Florida trend. And I have in your packet, which Bonnie can give to you later. I put in there a liv Bonnie can give to you later I put in their livability so you can actually see that ad and be able to share it and be able to see the magazine. Once we get additional site selection magazines and more floor to trends we'll make sure we get those to you. Get them to the City Clerk's office so you'll have them for your records. Additionally we are working on a career slashslash job fair. We've done several over the last couple of years. We've had a great turnout. That's with all of our partners, the three cities working together, our local businesses, working together, career source, Daytona State College, Team Valuesa, CEO Business Alliance, and the Chamber of Commerce and all of those are our partners. So we have that coming up this spring. We'll be looking for that. And just quickly the newsletter, if you're not getting the newsletter, please we can send it to you. You can always subscribe. This is just an example of what we're showcasing as our local businesses that are here in Southeast Solution. That's Edgewater, Newsprintirno Beach, and Oak Hill. And then of course, our fundraiser coming up later this month, Mill of the Month, next Friday the 13th. And this fundraiser is basically helps to fund all of our workforce development and our career fairs and job fairs that we do not only in the schools, but here locally as well. Anything you want to add? Well, in addition to our newsletter, we also do social media, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn. So if you would share, like, follow there, that'd be helpful. And then also we have purchased mailing list to strategic manufacturers and businesses and we have a mailing list of like over over 2000 over 2000 of these mailing lists and they go to CEOs and decision makers people that are it within our targeted industries. So we send out email blast for that and then anything you want to add Mike? Seppman Tech was organized in this room in 2016. The mailing list is over 2,000 names. It's aerospace companies in the United States and internationally and you got the list and handed to me and said Mike you know all about this stuff go through it and see who's real and internationally. And you got the list and handed to me and said, Mike, you know all about this stuff. Go through it and see who's real and not. So I did, we're not gonna get air buss and we're not gonna get Boeing, but we are gonna get the company that makes the wiring harnesses to sell to GE to put on the engines to sell to air buss and Boeing. We're looking for second and third tier. We don't want the tail wagging the dog. And as you know Boeing has located up at the microplex at Emory Rittle. So they are going to be employing lots of people there. And then we had, is it Aero, Aero or Aero? They are also coming up there. So we have them coming and they're looking in our area and we are very happy to have the million square feet of industrial space coming out of the ground. And we thank you for your continued support. Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you for your presentation. It is appreciated. Wow, the city clerk to get back on track. Okay, before we begin citizens comments, I just want to remind everyone to please remain respectful. Unfortunately, this is not a dialogue. We cannot go back and forth. We will continue to have town hall meetings where that is appropriate. We have contact cards in the back. We encourage everyone to fill one out. Contact your representatives. I answer every email I receive. Please email your representatives. Your voices are always heard. Please tonight be respectful as we are of you. Any kind of public outburst, unfortunately, will not be tolerated tonight. We need to stick to business. If there's more than two outburst unfortunately will not be tolerated tonight. We need to stick to business. If there's more than two outbursts, I understand everyone is passionate. It's like we are on this council. But please remain respectful. If you have more than two public outbursts, you will be asked to be removed. Item five, citizens comments. This is a time for the public to come forward with any comments they may have. This is comments related to any agenda matter. Maybe made at the time the matter is before the council. Please state your name, address. Please limit your comments to three minutes or less. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. Okay. What are you guys doing tonight? My name is Elliott Meadows. I'm a local builder, a small time developer, also owned the house at 21-22 Come Flot and Edgewater. A lot of my neighbors flooded recently and in the past two years, two or three times. So, I'm on both sides of this issue. I just want to say that I don't think that stopping my career in building is going- Sir, if you are speaking about the moratorium that is not in front of the council at this time, it is an agenda matter. Oh, my fault. No problem, sir. We appreciate you participating. Jim Lovegren, I'm 182 Jones Fish Camp Road. I'm gonna bring up an issue from the last council meeting and that's concerning Jones Fish Camp Road and the traffic volume that's gonna be going through there thanks to the Taylor Morris and Bill Tarant Departments and a proposed hotel marina. I don't think the council was really aware of what they were looking at at the last meet in there because there's a property that is north of the Taylor Morris and Bill Tarant and the hotel marinaison built to rent and the hotel marina. And it's in between the all aboard storage. Now, that property is five acres. It goes from the road from Route 1 to the waterfront. It's 100 feet wide roughly. And that man has an existing driveway, which means he has an entrance from Route 1. Yet Taylor-Marison has been approved to put a driveway 50 feet from his. And my understanding there is, driveways have to be 600 feet apart when route 1, which means that if you approve this, that man's property is going to be devalued because he won't have access to it. What is, how is the state gonna stand on this? You know what I mean? You can't do this. So how does this go by the planning board? I don't know. Somebody should have picked those up. There's an existing driveway there. It's paved that goes in. It only goes by feet beyond the sidewalk before it just turns to dirt. But it's an existing driveway of privately owned property by a long time township, or a city resident. Now he's been here 40 years on numerous parcels of property. He's already been victimized by being landlocked by the riverfront estates. That border is on a property of his that is sandwiched in between root one and the Taylor Taylor Morrison development there. So he hasn't been a happy camper but he hasn't got anywhere. I have talked to him. He's aware of this situation and he didn't know if he could make it tonight or not. but I said I'm going to address the council with this issue. This is a serious issue. It regards a legal issue of a takings if this goes through as planned. So if you can revisit that issue, I think you really need to because you know, you just can't trample the rights of citizens here. And this is clearly trampling his rights if that driveway isn't moved 600 feet or whatever is appropriate from his driveway. Thank you very much for your consideration. Thank you, sir, for your comment. That's a very great point that needs to be dealt with. Thank you, sir. Good evening. Excuse me, Marilyn Bennett, 194, Jones Fish Camp Road. And I just wanted to say that I totally support the comments that he's made very well thought out, organized, and he really, with a group, has really looked into it well. I would appreciate your consideration to the things that he said. I totally support that. Thank you very much. Thank you, man, for your comment. And things that he said. I totally support that. Thank you very much. Thank you, man, for your comment. And I appreciate it. I recrained bird 118 San Remo Drive to back up with that gentleman just said, let's not forget, not too long ago at that marina, that poor lady in the back left corner. She had to ask permission to get her own car out of the driveway. They had her, she had to ask permission to get her own car out of the driveway. They had her soap, she sold, she's gone. She was there I think, when she's a 50 something years, if I remember right, but they bought up against her property, where her driveway used to come out from in the back. They took her right to get to the road away. So we gotta be diligent with stuff like this Thank you sir for your comment. It is appreciated Chuck Morton 205 Cherrywood Lane Edge water First of all, I want to speak about the video and audio This has been an ongoing problem for a long time. When I was on the way here, I couldn't hear it. And then now, the sudden, miraculously, it works. Little while back, was at a meeting where an individual was speaking about, want to put up a development and Mrs. Bennington was fully supportive of it. And I exposed her for taking a campaign contribution and the individual that wants to build, that give her the money, called me a piece of shit and turned around and faced me in a threatening manner. I stood up to protect myself, and then I was escorted out, which is fine. And then after that, he says, well, I should have knocked that MF around, talking about me, and I look people heard it And then the next day the video and audio they don't come out on time and Then lo and behold right at the time when this happened at all gods all gone Yeah, it's gone. So Bonnie email me what she thought happened, and I explained her, my son is a computer scientist. And so I'd like to know the hard drive system where it stops it for four minutes and four hours and two minutes. And if he would be allowed to come in and do some investigation on a hard drive system. Because something clearly needs to change, whether she needs some training, some help, or maybe have somebody else do it. But I couldn't hear it on the way here at all and had to phone up to my ear. And during Bliss's presentation, that's very disrespectful. Anybody out there trying to listen to this, they can't hear it, it's been an ongoing problem, you know, for a long time, so, you know, we need to get a handle on that. And, you know, as far as getting back to the flooding issue, I think that's why most of the people are back here, you know. So I'd like some clarification on where this investigation's going, and that it not only include Randy Coslow because there were three players during the pumps and the flooding. There was Jeff Thurman, there was Randy Coslow, and there was Sean Moroni, they were all three involved in this. In some way, whether they were monitoring canals or who was being told what, who actually turned the key off and allowed these people to flood. And these people are devastated. And I think for someone to truly understand or feel about flooding, you would have to flood yourself. I know the mayor understands it. His grandmother flooded a couple times as well as his parents. You know, she had to be carried out a window. It is that bad. So, when this investigation moves forward, we need transparency. And we kind of need to know where it's at with it. And I was going to have a big announcement tonight. But I was told by, well, let's just say it, a government official that I should keep my mouth shut tonight. But there may be somebody not interested in listening to what's going on. And big people are coming to edgewater. They're going to find out what's going on and big people are coming to Edgewater they're going to find out what's going on here. Thank you sir for your comments it is appreciated I think that that will be dealt with under a report later in the meeting thank you. Adkins 3230 Woodland Drive people are texting me saying that there's no I'm going to have to look into the system as a whole because I did go back to watch another council meeting and I did kind of try to watch it. I'm not blaming any things that I'm not going to do. I'm not going to have to look into the system as a whole because I did go back to watch another council meeting and it did cut off before I tried to watch it. I'm not blaming any fingers, point anything at all. You're saying that maybe we could potentially look into this and I think we've had an issue with the microphone system for quite some time. You brought that up before that was going to be looked at Any further citizens comment Saying none the consent accounts I don't six council report councilman Gillin We're doing as a whole because we're okay. I wanted to touch base on a couple things that I wanted to put out here. The first one I know I had brought it up before but I wanted to bring up again looking into the meters and see if there. I don't know if we need to get consensus on it but I've seen a lot more complaints online especially just in the last couple days alone but people having a lot of concerns you're holding that up right do you have or you know address that later or it's in my staff reports that I emailed out okay before the holidays would you be able to give enough but I wanted to see what what the status was on that and then I also wanted to bring something else up for consensus. I brought this up last year. I kind of wanted to try again. And I'm going to bring Ryan into this. I know when you and I had spoke before, we were going to bring up flags and signage again, but then it got pulled because it was when we were in the midst of all the flooding. So that workshop kind of got tabled. I wanted to see if we could bring it up. You had said that you were going to bring forward another proposition where we did possibly one sign for business and lowered the fee. I wanted to see if how council would feel as far as consensus of letting us kind of start that for the month of December again, just to see how it goes and just to open up for shopping season with Christmas and everything. And this is my thoughts last year. I wanted to bring it up again because if we're going to have a workshop about it again, I think this was a good time that we should just kind of open the doors and let people try and see how it goes. I know a lot of people's concern was how it looks and I don't know, I would like to give it a test run. I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts. And I mean, you can speak on this as well. You said you were talking about moving forward with what you would told me if you want to explain that part. Sure. So way back when we were doing the feather flag kind of sign changes with back care chickens and all sorts of other things, it has been adopted so it would be a code change if we were to change anything which would require planning and zoning to readings before the council if we were to go back forward and do that code change. So it's still on the books that program no one applied for the program during that time. And we did discuss kind of public record that there is a desire to see a more balanced approach than the pilot program that we had put out there. We are going to be doing code changes, most likely here in the next few months. So that is something that we could bring back. In order to enact that code change, though, we'd have to have a lot of meetings. That would be to enact the code change, and that could be temporarily to spend enforcement of it. I think the question would be whether or not wave the fee. The fee is in though the ordinance, so that would be the problem is not without going through the actual process of planning and zoning into readings unfortunately. Well, possibly maybe we could. I had a lot of comments as well and we had discussed possibly having maybe a one time, once a year, application, having a lower application and loosening up the strings as far as how many times during the year that a business can have that sign out. I know a lot of times some businesses won't have a sign at all or a flag at all. So possibly if we were not able to do it without you know two readings and planning and zoning, maybe we could just go forward and, okay, have a business wants to do a feather flag, we can have them get and pay the fee, whatever it might be, and that fee can be used towards the yearly fee that's up and coming, so they're still paying their fee, and maybe the fee will be adjusted and lowered, but that's the way we could possibly do it where they're paying the fee, they're doing everything they're supposed to do, they're able to put their flag up and then as we're adjusting the code and loosening the strings on how we approach it in the future, that could be a possibility. I'm going to bring up a couple of things. Yeah, I- I- We could get it going for the holidays because I mean this is like prime shopping season of people being able to advertise, people are in town for families, for restaurants, there's all sorts of things. Sure. I will get with the city attorney and I'll look at the language that I wrote and see if I didn't write it so well. Where's something? See if there's any finagling. Well, look, I think a lot of things got left in the cracks here. We kind of gave council goals and measures with a former city manager and didn't really go anywhere in the conversation. I think that we've established as a council mayor Thomas you are new but I've heard a couple of your key of pace speech. I think everybody's top priority is flooding but of course we have other measures like this that need to be dealt with. Let's face us. Us three have been small business owners or our small business owners $100 I believe is a current fee price correct correct every dollar matters when you're opening up a business We need to be a small business friendlies. You can while preserving a facade on us one I think the smallest advertisement. I didn't know you were there. I didn't know you were here I've tried to do Facebook posts. I didn't know you were here. I've tried to do Facebook posts. It's a number one complaint that I get with small businesses that have opened in the city of Edgewater. Something needs to be done. It is a holiday being shopping. If we can't do anything now, I sure hope we have something resolved. It's not $100 by next holiday season. We can't get anything done at this meeting. But I think that every small business should have the right or the ability to advertise, not all locations are ideal, but we need to come up with some solutions to be small business friendly while still protecting the facade amongst US one. It's just my opinion, and I'd like to workshop this. We also gave consensus and tried to have one workshop a month. It was supposed to be kind of like an open staff meeting that really didn't go anywhere, either I think, communications strongly. I think this is your city management Internacy measure that's something you believe strongly and as well so if we can really keep the one workshop a month If our schedule allows I really like to continue that. Sorry. I didn't mean to ramble, but that's that's my thoughts and feelings and something So is it just as moving for is there anything that we can feasibly do can we just can we wave we legally wave the fees right now to allow them to do it for the month I just want to kind of get Or move forward that or is that an air in question? Yeah, I don't think you can just wave it because it is in the ordinance So I think the ordinance would need to be revised or repealed before you could do that And that's really all I have thank you. Thank you Houseman Well believe it or not mr. Mayor. I have something to report I Well, believe it or not, Mr. Mayor, I have something to report. The week four Thanksgiving, I had two meetings a day with citizens and business owners and whatever, but it made several house calls. Today I made a house call. But then the first and foremost thing is we have to address as the drainage in the flooding. Because I've been to their houses, I've seen the desperation on their faces. I've heard it in the voices when they come to the podium. These people are scared. They're not scared of a hurricane coming. They're scared of the next rain storm coming. I had the house call I made today. They were clearing the lot behind the lady's house and she was freaking out thinking that she's going fly, you know? And it's unbelievable. My goal is to make the citizens of Ed Water be safe and secure, feel safe and secure in their own home, because they cannot live like that. Oh my God, some of the people have flooded twice. It's unbelievable. So I think that's our first informer school. I know we have a master drainage plan and it's coming in a year, but it's a year out. Her case sees it's only six months out. So we have to do something now. We cannot wait. You know, my idea is we need to clean out that dish behind Silver Palm. We need to, we need to obsess that property, um, sausage of the shores, and we need to tie it into the hammock. The county said they'd help us, you know, and we need to use that drainage system because our, there's three drainage systems in edge water. One is the earth, one is turntable hammock, and one is the river. The one in turntable hammock ends up in the river because it's the head water of the Indian River again. So, but now, when I first moved in edge water, there was a house here, there was a house there in Florida, too,, I'm talking about. And the earth stuck up to water. Well now in Florida Shore, there's 7,000 homes. I mean, you can't find a place to dot concrete or rooftops. So where's that water going? It has nowhere to go. What we tried to do is we tried to make use of the mosquito control ditches and turn them into drainage ditches. And it's like flushing your toe into your garden heads and it's not going to work. And we've got to do something and we've got to do something now. My other idea is to, for the city to take a hit by six houses, you know the wetest areas. I didn't drive because I didn't wanna push water in people's homes. That's why I didn't go out there and we need to do something about that and we need to talk about a law or something because people are trying to squeegee their house out and here comes a big truck. What, you know, they're going to wake. Oh my gosh, I got really, really mad about that. But anyway, by six houses in the middle of the area of the wetest area and dig, that's 240 by 240 square feet, the water table down to about three foot. Now, you know't care how deep you did, the water tables are gonna be the same. And, that bill of burn around it, and that's gonna give us another place of drain. But, if we start now, maybe we can get them people from relief, not, and another suggestion I have is, you know, to complete our infrastructure, but, you know, do it in a way we can handle it. And another suggestion I have is, you know, the charter says that we will meet once a month. And then you can call the special meetings you want. I think when I took over mayor no five we met twice a month. I agree. And so what does a business do when they get behind they go into overtime? I think we need to go into overtime. When I requested a agenda and I went to pick it up last Wednesday, this is what they gave me. So I did take off Thursday but I sat down Friday, Saturday and Sunday in the pretty weather and I tried to educate myself on that stuff. So anyway, I'm a doer, not a talker. We can talk about it all we want to, but I want to get some shovels in the ground. But I will say this, when I was riding around one lady serving the ditches in the south part of the shores. I saw at least 10 or 12 workers out there working, you know, when the balka is or shovels it so they we are doing it. Another thing is we have to help ourselves is when I saw this last work came coming what I did I got out there and dug my culverts I've got four driveways I got four culverts and I got my son to come over and help me and we dug them out and then I took a pressure washer and pressure wash them out you know and it worked good he said hey gonna work but it did work then and all that vacuum truck is a big pressure washers. So we got to help ourselves because this design was in 1990, was it, is when they implemented the, just cut off the side rows and dug the drainage ditches and, and, and, and, and, and, and, so, but all that's grown up now. I was riding my bike for exercise one day on Willow Oak and I saw in the swell, a guy had gone got a pallet of sod and laid the sod in the swell. I said, is this guy nuts or what? You know, it not only is he damaged it in himself, but he's damaged his neighbor. You know, so we have to help people. They are not only citizens of the edgewater and there are neighbors and I feel obligated to do that. Thank you, sir. Mary, you've got, I'm sorry, council member, you've got a lot of great points. Nobody knows Florida shores and the woods better than you in this area. You spent how many years in floor to shores in the woods area? Back when I started, the reason I know floor to shores is I was a game warden and what they would do, it was so rural, they would, one guy would drive and one guy would ride on the hood of the truck with a shotgun and whatever crust the road deer hog or turkey they shoot it. So that's why I know Florida shores that's how far back I got of 15 52 years. I've been there I've been in the shores for 47 years. Well you've got a lot of great points. The county is purchased I think over a thousand acres in that area that used to be hunting land 2500 conservation wonderful we could do a lot of things there you've got a lot of great points we need to start now one of the things that I'd like consensus on the city council we talked about employment status we talked about getting second chances opportunity we talked about GED wavering requirements to get employees. And you included that in your staff report and I dearly appreciate it. But listen, we need to do something now. I was told that it would take 10 years and don't quote me on this. I was told by a city employee, a former city employee, that it was told during the last storm water master plan that it would take 10 years to clean out every culvert in Forteshores. Now, I don't know if that's true or not, but Mayor Thomas said that we need to start today. He's darn right. We need to start today. But I'd like consensus on how many I would like to have three dedicated individuals to do nothing, to suffer clean culverts and find the hard areas which there's several online tree, there's several hard areas to get to to maintain with the minzy mugs. There's several areas that actually need to be done by hand that I can name that hasn't been done, and quite some time, luckily, we're getting back up to speed with a former administration. Unlike consensus to look into, to see if we could pull some employees from a department that we have that has maybe some kind of machinery, expertise or that can hand do it to see how long it would take to have a dedicated three-man crew that only focuses on cleaning culverts that only focuses on the hard canal areas. We just received this is what I was going to put in my report as well. Received a canal armory grant that's a wonderful start for the correct me if I'm wrong. Mr. Thurman for umbrella tree canal and unity tree canal the county granted us how much was that four million four point one and that's portions of those. That's a wonderful start, but we're not, we have wonderful city employees, but they need a little bit of a push. Well, and we need the citizens help too. I'm finding this, the stopped up storm drains, because when I was putting out my campaign signs, I saw storm drains where I didn't know there were storm drains. I mean, these storm drains, some of these storm drains are older than the employees. So if you know where a stopped up storm drain is, you need to call environmental services first, provide them first. And if they don't answer your call, then you call me and I'll get to call through it Excuse me frame no problem. There's also the track easy now online which I'm not good on tech, but there's also that On the website good point mr. Mayor, but yes We it's it needs to be collaborative effort and I think that there needs to be just three gentlemen that go out and clean Covers and that is a number one concern amongst the residents. The culverts are not clean, the ditches are not, and I'm not saying they are, there is problematic culvert areas in Fort Assure, some homes were built before. The stormwater was put in place in 96, some have them, some don't. We need to do it. We can't wait a year like Councilman Thomas stated. I would like consensus to possibly look to see if we could budget it. If we have the budget, if we can move some members from a different department such as the park and recreation, they're well needed as well. Don't get me wrong, but three members dedicated to cleaning culverts and there's possibly the second step opportunities with people trying to get their life on track as well. I noticed they don't like you do. I like it to pull this council to see it there up for two meetings a month and I know our staff is overburdened and overpacked and pulled them to see how they feel about it. Well, Mr. Mayor, we gave consensus through council meetings. I want to say three or four council meetings ago because we were compacted agenda items and it didn't go anywhere. I had the same concern and emailed the city manager, yes, we need two meetings a month. And I think that if we have, I believe we came to it. If I remember an agreement, if we had more than I can't remember, was it eight or nine items, we would automatically have two meetings a month. I can't remember. I have to go back and watch the meeting per se, but yes, 100%. O'Kill has two meetings a month. The smart ass two meetings a month, almost every meeting. There were only reason we went to one meeting a month years ago was we didn't have enough agenda item. But if we got a two of, two of months and we can cut that in half. Absolutely. And another thing is we're going to expedite things where, you know, instead of waiting a month to approve the moratorium, you know, in two weeks will be approved. Absolutely. We got to get things going. I got we you know we got to quit spending the wheels like in the Alabama mud we put it in full world drive and get going. I agree. I wanted to give anything. I'm sorry. No. Well, I wanted to see possibly if the council is in the grants for the three members a month to see if we could have that budget, tid or pooled from a separate organization. I think it's a great idea. I just know our budget set for the year so I don't know where we would find the extra money but if we're able to move and pull these from one department to another I think it's a great idea. I'd like to research that and we could always do it if we do have it. I would like to see what the idea is if we can do it like you stated. So glad you have that. I wanted to thank everybody that went into the long county council meeting last week before Thanksgiving. Like I said, if we were awarded that grant, I want to thank Sandy Camp, who's brought us over $30 million in total to the city of Edgewater, still talking to county representatives. Chairman Broward has been in contact with me. Danny Robbins has called me once a week to discuss if we have any. What need we need in the city I believe we have a meeting with the county manager next next week. Looking forward to that meeting. I appreciate everybody that took the time out of their busy schedule to attend the town hall meeting. I'd like to continue that. I appreciate it hearing from the citizens for those who attended and I have a contact to do that. I apologize. I just received the contact cards yesterday over the break. So I dearly appreciate you guys attending that meeting. Look forward to more of them. Okay, Councilwoman Dolva. I have nothing at this time. Councilman Wilkie. Just a touch on one of the things about that you could possibly do too is our lakes here. I'm sure it is a bunch of silt that's built over for the last 70 years. We can have our lakes dug back to the depth it was when they first did 70 years ago. Because I guarantee you it's another 10 foot up with all the silt just like a pond in your yard and everything. So it's an idea just of something of getting our lakes dred fresh that are in Florida shores to help with that. Can I agree? That was my idea a long time ago because when I first moved here, those lakes were crystal clear and I used to check bass fishermen there. They're first with bass and all your rites, so much of that is soaked. So we have to get onto that. One of the things that disturbed me over this last month that I heard is we say about going out and cleaning the ditches, but the city had time to go fill the ditches of a home owner that made their own ditches. And also from what I understand, which I don't know for fact, I heard that they were also fine for this. I'm sorry if my house is going to flood. I'm digging a ditch around my house and I don't care what the city says. I don't think that fine should be intact. I don't know what we're doing about it, but it was just something I wanted to bring up. I also wanted to bring up something positive. There was an officer, Tristan Angrum who finished first placed in the novice division at the space motor officer rodeo with over 100 people that joined. I don't know if you guys want to present an award for him, but I think it's really, you know, our edgewater PD finished first out of the novice division for his motorcycle skills. I thought that was really impressive and wanted to bring that to the attention. I believe we also had a close runner up I think in fourth place. We did. Yes. So it would be nice to bring them here to show how much we appreciate them putting in the effort and going the extra way. With that being said, something I'd like to say and if people can just kind of take it to however they want to take it but listen to what I have to say I'm where it is and you'll understand a little bit more. Good evening. It is with mixed emotions that I stand before you today to announce my resignation from the City of Edgewater City Council effective. I think we agreed on January 6th so they can do a date. I took this meeting today because they wanted the city ask me if we could stay until January 6th so they can go into a special election. After much thought and reflection, I've decided that is my time for me to step away from my role. However, as with any role, there are moments when personal and professional priorities shift. These priorities shifted when I realized owning a business and being on City Council do not mix. Since being on City Council for approximately two and a half to three months, I have seen things that really disappointed me. Some from our City and some from the people. If people were to attack me for my decisions, I would be okay with it. But to attack my employees for the way I voted on something, they didn't run for city council, so why should they be bothered? Showing up at my office saying they would call code enforcement if I don't do what they ask. Well, guess what? Code enforcement showed up. Also, what do I do for the Christmas parade is just a way for me to get gifts from other businesses and people to self-promote was told. Not just because I want to make the praise exciting and give the children a gift by getting a golden ticket. But I think what made my final decision was the way people treat other people. We had a city official resign for his actions. Whether just a fight or not, somebody posted on social media saying, if we flood again, his address is public record. So basically, go to his house and harass him in front of his family. I'm also ashamed to say that someone called his daughter's job and said, do you know who you have working there? It was my family. I think I'd be really upset if somebody called my daughter. Why should the family be affected? Today, I was sworn in because I was asked to stay for one more meeting. But what is sad is I wouldn't even let my 13 year old son come to this because how mankind has changed and how these meetings have taken place. People to self-promote, I'm sorry let's get this again, sometimes that is something is slowly eroding the spirit of our community. Sadden's meet to see how often people in our city fail to treat each other with the basic dignity that we all deserve. More troubling, however, is the way we have become quick to judge and criticize who those who serve us are city officials. In any community respect is the foundation that allows us to grow together, to find common ground and to support one another, unfortunately that respect is often lost in the noise of harsh judgments and unfounded accusations. Too many times we forget that those who serve us are human too, facing challenges, making decisions with hopefully the best interests of the city at heart. But instead of offering constructive dialogue or understanding, we judged them from the sidelines, assuming their motives and their actions without truly knowing the full story. We begin to see each other as adversaries instead of neighbors. That's not the kind of community I wanna be a part of. I felt growing up here that this community was stronger than any other community that I've been part of. We must all take a step back and reflect on how we treat each other, especially those in positions of leadership before casting judgment, or not giving them a chance to correct changes others have made in the past. Let's pause and ask ourselves, have we listened, have we sought to understand our perspectives, have we treated them with the same respect we expect for ourselves. They are not our enemies, they are our neighbors, our partners, and building a better future for edgewater. I urge each of you, from my heart, no matter your position or perspective, to treat one another with respect. Let's build a culture of empathy and understanding. Let's show appreciation for the hard work, our officials of our officials, our community and our community leaders. I would like this take this opportunity to express my sincere thanks to my fellow council members, our city staff, and the residents who supported me throughout my short time in office. Your engagement, your feedback, and your trust have been invaluable. I would also like to say my district was affected to most during the last storm. There will be another election soon, so I hope to see a great number of people running for this seat this time. While I may be stepping down from my official duties, my commitment to this community remains unchanged. I will still volunteer, I will continue to support our city, and other ways I will look forward to seeing the continued success of hopefully edgewater. Thank you again for the privilege of serving as your representative for the short time. I wish all of you the best as you move forward with the important work you have ahead of you. Together I think we can create a city where respect and kindness reign where we work together for the common good and where we understand that judgment should be reserved for actions not our assumptions. I thank you for this opportunity and I'm sorry that I have to leave but I just don't feel it's for my employees and for my family it's the best thing at this time. So thank you very much. It's very hard for me. I will let you all know this was very hard for me. I came home after last meeting of the last two meetings I've been to and people told me that the first meeting was probably the worst meeting in Edgewater history. I went to my wife and said, after last meeting, I said I'm done and my wife laughed, she looked at me and goes, yeah, okay. She goes, you've never quit anything in your life. And I said, well, I'm not really quitting because I haven't started my four years yet. You know, I just filled in for Jonah and she's like, you're really quitting and I said yeah I said I've grown into this city I love this city and I don't want to be saddened by the city so I hope people really take it with heart we have to work together look there's business there is commercial residential buildings coming in we can't stop certain things we have the fixed flooding that's definite we have to get on top of that but if we don't do it as a community and we just keep fighting, it's just gonna be a slow process. So I hope we all learn from what's going on and I hope we really make it happen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Wolkey, we appreciate your commitment to what you did for public service. We know it's never easy or you still are a public servant. You'll always be in the public eye, Mr. Wolkey. Welcome. We dearly appreciate you for all you do for the community, not just the community, but all of Belucia County. Everyone knows that you truly care. Public service is never easy. We said that how many times tonight? We are in uncertain times in the city, and I totally respect you. And your decision's always. It was a pleasure to serve with you, sad to see you leave. Seeing no further council reports. Item seven, the consent agenda. all matters listed under the consent agenda are considered to be retained by the City Council We'll be active on one motion. There'll be no separate discussion of that item unless the council member pulls that from the discussion and the item will be considered separately I would like to pull and the item will be considered separately. I would like to pull item seven. Sorry, apologize. While you're looking for that, I would like to pull item 7G for discussion. Is there anything else? Okay. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda excluding item 70 and 7G? I'm moving that. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Davo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Well, I just have one question related to 7G. It's kind of just a point of matter. Of course we give goals to the interim city manager and the city clerk but looking at other communities and er, please don't take this personal. You are at the pleasure of the City Council and now you are contracted but we, you don't know what we are expecting you. What we're expecting you to do from us and what your duties really are on a day today's City Council. You call me and I appreciate it on some matters but I've never really had a heart to heart and how you feel about the city and what you really want to see the city grow and how many years you've truly been with the city and it's nothing personal but I know you are contracted but after looking towards what other municipalities have done they also have a contracted attorney and they've also given goals and expectations and so has the attorney. And it's nothing personal. I just think that all communication that we can give is the best thing that we have. It is the ability to talk. And I'd like to maybe see if we could look at a way of expressing what we enjoy about you and how you can, because everyone can improve. If anybody has any comments about that, I know he has contracted on a city employee, but still works at the pleasure of the city council. I think it would make sense just, I mean, we already do that for Bonnie and Jeff, or whoever's the clerk and the manager at the time. And I think there's just three positions that do serve at the manager at the time. And I think there's as the reposition that do serve at the pleasure of the council, I would think it would make sense to do evaluations the way we do or we already have to write out for our goals for city manager and the clerk and as well as what we like in this one. I want to see a improvement on so I think it would make sense to do it further. Now the question, with other cities do they have the same question Eric's I don't know if that the questions that we ask um other department heads would I highly doubt it would be more than happy to extend that to Julie Christina HR director I know I have gone to other meetings where the evaluations have come up and they have included it I mean've been more than happy to you. And I doubt they're the same. It's a different position. But that's also possibly something that Julie could craft as well if it's different. Of course, she's not an attorney. But she's also not a city manager or see Clark, but still comes up with the evaluations. It's a good idea. It would be nice to have something drawn up that we know what to expect of our city attorney when I first came into office two months ago. I didn't know what we even used a city attorney for to call for different things that were going on. So it'd be nice for even new members that come in or for us to know exactly what we're expected, what we expect of him and what is expected of us to work together because I feel like it is a position where we don't work as good together in that situation. Whether it's a meeting he sits in on and we discuss things and we have questions for him, I think that, you know, not being on it, but for you guys, I think it would be good going forward, you know, just to know because when I came in, I didn't know I could just reach out to them to find out what I needed to know. And it took just talking to Bonnie to say, yeah, reach out to them and ask them these questions. So I think your tremendous job, please don't take it personally. But I think it's just something moving forward that there would be a positive forever. Well, I could talk from experience when I started in there in 05, we didn't have a city attorney. Because any legal question we had, you know, it got backlaw. So, and Mr. Aaron Wolf is sharp at the tack, in my words. So, I'm glad to have you sitting there. So, it gives us our legal advice. We're going to avoid lawsuits. I agree. So is there consensus for that? The policy looked into that and maybe we could pull it for this City Council meeting table to get an update with the other evaluations. So are you talking to evaluate our city attorney? Basically. I would like to, well, I mean the same evaluations is to see what we like to see improve, what we appreciate about him. And I know he's not involved in the everyday activities such as the city clerk in the city manager, but I think that there should be some kind of evaluate he is contracted I understand that but he's still at the point of so yes yeah I'd like to hit I mean I'm here for another month if we had a meeting with it I'd like to have a meeting with the city attorney where we discuss what he's expecting of us and we're expecting him where he could write a draft of what he's expecting of us to do and what we expect him to do. I mean, I don't know if it could be done in the next month, but I'm more than welcome to sit in on a special meeting for it. Okay. Awesome. Yes. Just to clarify, do we want to have a special meeting about the attorney's duties? I mean we were already in December so we're wanting to have that in December and we've got a week that we're closed. For choice either way. I don't see an issue with that. I mean it is a acted months for several individuals. Perhaps we could table the discussion for evaluations now and come back to it at the end of the meeting. There's no rule when we have to go over to consent agenda item. So can I get a motion to approve to table item 7G. You just want to table it till the next meeting or? I'll add the table until the next meeting. Yes. I'm going to do a table 7G to the next meeting. Seconded. Seconded by Ms. Gillis Roll call. Councilwoman Dabbo. Yes. Councilman Wilbo? Yes. Councilman Wilkie? Yes. Mayor DePio? Yes. Councilwoman Gillis? Yes. Councilman Thomas? Yes. And for the record to clarify one more time, item 7D was discussed at the time the manner is before the council, which includes the Public Works Facility which will be after our discussion of the moratorium which is 8Q and P. I'm 8P first reading ordinance 2024-GIR-60G request for approval for a citywide moratorium regarding annexation, rezoning, comprehensive plan, amendment, site plans, preliminary flats and final flats. Please read into the record. Board of summer 2024-Dash showed us 62 in order to the city of Edgewater adopting a temporary moratorium on annexations, rezoning, comprehensive plan, amendment, site plans, preliminary class and final class for the entire city of Edgewater for a period ending in no later than January 60, 1026 unless we send it or extend it by a subsequent ordinance, providing procedures for vested rights review for the specific matters addressed herein. So I'd like to put the ordinances, providing for severability and providing an effective date. Thank you, staff report. Thank you, report. Thank you mr. Mayor Ryan Solves this development services director The citywide more a Torium will allow the city of edge water to go undergo a thorough review the land development code and the comprehensive plan Special attention will be given to those code requirements for stormwater wetlands and tree preservation Staff believes that process will take roughly 12 months the moratorium before the council is a city-wide one regarding annexation, rezoning, comp plan amendments, site plans, preliminary plans and final plans. If an applicant has submitted, they would be allowed to go through the process. Should an applicant not have submitted, after the effective date of the second reading, then they would not be allowed to apply for that year that the moratorium is in effect. Thank you sir. Open the public hearing citizens comments. Hey guys, Elliot Meadows, 21-22 cum-quat. I just wanted to say thank you for Councilman Wookie, and we're going to miss you out there, even though you were here a short period of time. I am a builder, and I would like to say no on the moratorium. There's been talks of pumps going the wrong way, shooting toward Edgewater, not shooting toward New Sumerna. There's been talks about fixing canals, lakes, ponds, digging out swales. Like this is all stuff that could have been done in the last five, 10, 15, 20 years. We should have a maintenance program. I like your idea about having three people on staff, but how about doing what I do scaling up with subcontractors and let's bring in everybody in Volusia County and let's get it done right now. Why are we waiting on three guys? We could bring in 30 guys. Maybe let's not build the pickleball stuff. Let's take that nine mill and let's put it toward dig and ditches and whatever else wherever we can find the money. Backup generators for some of the pumps. I mean I don't know if I'm right or not, but I think if I bought a pump, I would have a backup generator with it no matter what. Maybe two. You know, Ryan Solstice is a great guy. He explained to me one day in a meeting that 30%. So in a new build, let's say in a DR Horton subdivision, 30% of the land goes to water retention. Give or take, right? In edgewater, we have 1%. So what does that tell you? That tells you that it will never work. If I never build another house in edgewater or anybody else, all these guys will still flood. So stopping me from building on the five lots that I have is infill and victory palm and wherever, that's not going to stop these guys from flooding. It's just going to put me in a desperate situation for a year. Maybe two years because then when everybody turns or permit in whenever the moratorium's over there's going to be a big backlog and no one's still going to be able to build. So one year moratorium may end up being a two three year moratorium. And then what happens if all of a sudden there's some sort of a recession? Who pays my taxes on all these lots? And I know all the people that are flooded are like, hey, we flooded. But guess what? It's not because of the little houses that I'm building on victory palm. It's because of the maintenance of the waterways and the lack of the waterways. If you only have 1% retainage or for retention ponds, obviously there's nowhere for the water to go. So I like everybody's idea, let's dig more. But we spend $13,000 if we build a new house. So right now we just put a new house up. It's 13 grand worth of impact fees. So we kind of assume that on those impact fees, those are going to make sure that things are flowing and that we're not causing problems, that we're helping to fix problems that are maybe existing already. As a builder, that's what we think we're doing. Thank you, sir, for your comments. It's truly appreciated. that's what we do. Thank you sir. Thank you for attending. Sorry to catch you off. I just wanted to say something about what you said. You said now. Please serve today, my name is Jerry Conn. I'm sorry. You said now. I was here a month or two ago and I wanted to give 100 acres to the city. Contiguous to Florida shores that they could use for drainage or whatever area could they want. And I shores that they could use for drainage or whatever area could they want. And I told them they could have it now. They don't have to have it approved. It's a gift to the city. I'm going to be on later on in the meeting. I agree with you now. But I want you to think about what I got to say that I can help now. But I'll do my talking later on. Thank you for your comment. Yes, my name is Ott Slack. I live that 3031 on a Bellatree Drive at Waterfall 32141. I have a canal behind me. And each and every time I see that water rises, I go check out where it is possibly a blockage. Well, this last storm every canal was flooded, the streets of flooded everything. It wasn't going nowhere. You have a man Tom Smith with a environmental. He's the one that set up a pump on Riverside because the canal, the waterways there were higher than the pipe. So the water from the canals couldn't go out because that was the resistance. He went out there, put a pump down there and pumped it over. That's when everything started going down. What we need to do is make that a priority improve that area right there, right away because Mother Nature ain't going to wait for us. Bullets going on. It's out there. Tommy Smith is a smart man and you know that Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you sir for your comment. Please no public participation. First warning. Good evening my name is Philip Pong. It dresses 2431 South Ridgewood Avenue. And there's two things I kind of wanted to touch on tonight. First is the cost and second is consequence. And as a matter of cost, I'm still a little bit unclear why commercial industrial properties are included in the moratorium. Where is the evidence improved that commercial and industrial developments citywide had or have directly impacted the flooding in Florida shores. In fact, commercial and industrial developments are subject to follow very stringent codes and regulations for stormwater management. That's already in the code. A one-year-city wide moratorium will somehow fix a localized stormwater problem seems to be excessive, arbitrary, and irrational. As a matter of consequence, commercial industrial development is already a long and expensive process to go through for entitlements and construction. A one-year city-wide moratorium will one unnecessarily delay an already long and actual complex process that will have no immediate impact of cost to flooding because he's still going into process. Nothing is being built. Second, directly attribute to the property owner's loss in financial and investment return and loss of opportunity. That actually cannot be measured. Three, deter investors and developers for positive and responsible development. 4. Create a bad reputation for the city. Perception. It is entire development, unreasonable, and difficult to work with. 5. Adversely impact the tax base and revenue for the city and the local real estate economy we just heard from someone who is in the construction industry. And then also commercial and industrial development revenues will actually help pay for the stormwater solution in the city. Six, unreasonably ticking and all compromised. Thank you. Thank you. Mike Kelly, 2717, Sable Palm Drive. Mr. Wilkie, I'd like to thank you for your dedication, although it short-lived. Thank you for stepping up and taking the abuse from some people who aren't very respectful to your service. I'd like to reiterate what exactly this young gentleman just said about questioning why commercial and industrial use is part of this moratorium. Just looking at the agenda tonight and some of the workshop information, lots of questions about how we're gonna pay for three man crews to clean culverts that really should have been done since 2022 or previously to that. I will say I'm part of the economic development board. I haven't had a chance to review this yet. I don't understand that some of our other boards have seen this and have given it support, but me personally, I'm firmly against it. I'm also a resident of Edgewater, had a house in Florida shores for 20 years, and I've flooded not once but twice. So I know it's kind of ironic that I'm sitting here against a moratorium on building, but I think that the Florida Shores Plan, moratorium 06-2, 06-3, excuse me, is one thing, but including a citywide ban on development for commercial is not only throwing a baby out with a bathwater, it's fiscally irresponsible. We're talking about having budget cuts and trying to find money while we're spending money over here as far as pickleball and all these other things that we've approved. And yet we are not sure how we're gonna pay for this and we go with higher Jones Edmonds to do a analysis on why our city floods and yet we have people on our own council that have talked in the last hour exactly why our city floods. We know why our city floods. I think that you know as far as go time I think the workshops and the meetings and the discussions need to stop and the digging needs to start. You can you can stop the building and the shores with the cookie cutter homes and get the tax revenues from the commercial and multi use excuse me the commercial tax rolls and help pay for some of the stuff we need to get done to fix the flood. Thanks. Excuse me, Mr. Mayor. Aren't we on Q which is the building permit moratorium for the Florida Ford Range Vection? We are actually on P, Mr. Mayor. Oh, we're on P. Okay, I'm sorry. P because is the 4Q on the agenda. Okay, I wonder why you were talking about the city. I apologize and thank you sir for your comment. It's appreciated. Good evening. Liz Jamison, President of the Southeast Volusia Manufacturing and Technology Coalition 635 Airport Road. Our mission is to brand market and promote Southeast Volusia as a great place to live, work and and play, to create good, high-paying jobs and diversify the tax base. The Citywide Mortarium eliminates all new commercial and industrial development. It is critical to attract new companies to create high-paying jobs and shift the cost of city services to commercial taxpayers and off the backs of the residents. Our existing companies have already shifted millions of dollars to non-residential taxpayers. An example of how much cost is paid by just one large company is Boston Whaler. Boston Whaler employs approximately 1200 workers on about a half a million square feet of manufacturing space. For 2024 Boston Whaler paid personal property taxes on just its equipment of over $614,000. In addition, Boston Weiler paid 2024 property taxes on its land and buildings of over $481,000. That is a total combined property tax of more than $1 million per year. The average amount of property taxes paid by a typical residential homestead in Florida shores is about $2,200 depending on how long they have owned their home. The property taxes paid by just one company is the equivalent of the taxes paid by an average of 450 typical homesteads in Florida shores each and every year. One new project that is already begun is Parktown in Parktown is Space Coast Industrial Center at Parktown, which is a plant which is planned to be approximately 1 million square feet of class A industrial space. When it builds out it will be about the twice the size of Boston Whaler. If you apply the stames statistics of this project to Boston as Boston Whaler that would generate over $2 million of property taxes per year, which would be the equivalent to the amount of taxes 900 typical homes and Florida shores would pay each and every year. That would be an additional to the potential 2400 new high paying jobs created. As you can see this and other new industrial development would shift millions of dollars of cost of city services off the backs of the residents. I urge you to carefully consider the impact of your action tonight. Thank you, ma'am, and all that you do. You truly appreciate it. Hey everybody Chuck Martin to a five cherry woodland edge water. I heard a lot of good comments and I just want to echo what Bliss was saying about our commercial development, especially on US one in park town. Park town is one of the best things that ever happened to say the beds water. Not only do they hold all their own water, but they hold a lot of our water. Our water drains through Parktown to get to La Groude Canal and not only that, but when they dredged the river, they took all of our sand and water there. And it's actually the sand that we use for our sandbags for the people to help with a flood and a veg water. And I think we had already discussed about the park town would be exempted from that. Mr. Mayor, I personally wrote around with you. And we investigated a lot of this flooding, and we didn't find any flooding along US one where any commercial business is dumped any water and anybody, especially. We gotta look at redevelopment if someone's coming and tear these old nasty buildings down that are putting water on everybody else, and the new standards where they come in, they do retention pond, just like the gas station over there, the new one. they come in, they do retention pong just like the gas station over there the new one. I think that's great. And I want to we need to take a look at tonight and make it happen really quick with Mrs. Dolbo. She is but nobody knows more about business in here than hers, except for maybe Miss Jamison. But I'm getting a name screwed up there. I'm going to do a bad moment. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Not been working all day. I'm tired. But no, the commercial development along US one and edgewater, that's only when when for edgewater. That's really going to help us out there and I think the main reason that we were focusing on a more torrent and edgewater was these big subdivisions are coming and they built them up this high and all their water just overflows or ponds. You've seen it like down there, park road and goes and never, you know, and floods everybody else out. But I don't think that somebody building a home on victory palm is gonna flood anybody else out really. I mean, I used to live at 2632. Now, the new house that was built behind me was higher. So maybe instead of maybe they could look at, okay, well maybe if we're just gonna build a home here here there maybe keep them at the existing grades is surrounding homes you know so you're not up here with a new home you're not down here you're like right in the middle I mean I think that could be a compromise for a builder like this man over here that has already got these homes coming in and think about the families too so thank you thank you sir for your comment. It is appreciated. Hello my name is Heather Bendle. I live at 1709, clean palm and edge water. I'm relatively newer to edge water. I'm from Chicago land. I'm a geoscientist also known as a geologist. I study flooding. I study storms. I've been doing it for over 20 years. So I'm qualified enough to make this statement. If we put any more cement on the soil, on the sand, on the silt, the flooding will only get worse. It doesn't matter if it's commercial or residential. The cement is what's causing the problems. Unfortunately, for everybody, whether we choose to do the moratorium or not, it's going to affect someone or something. It's a very hard decision to make, but it's a decision that needs to be made. When you put cement on the ground, when you build residential, when you build commercial, that cement stops the water from percolating down to our water table. That is the problem that we're facing. It is not whether it's commercial cement or residential cement, it is all the same cement. So regardless of whether it's commercial cement or residential cement, it is all the same cement. So regardless of whether it's putting moratorium on just residential or commercial, the impact the whole community, including the outer communities, will be the exact same. Unfortunately, this is a very hard decision we have to make as a community, as council members, as mayor, but as a decision that needs to be made. The financials are going to be hurt. The income that we lose is going to hurt from the moratorium. But the impact of the moratorium will have impact on how we live long-term. We need to look at it as a long-term investment to a problem that, as we all can agree, should have been addressed many years ago, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. Unfortunately, that was not addressed. Now we are all facing this problem together as a community, and we need to come up with a solution. I truly believe as a scientist, as an educator, a moratorium is a necessary thing to do to stop any new developing, whether it's residential or commercial, so we can focus on the main problem which is fixing the wastewater drainage and getting those systems upgraded. And then and only then can we start rebuilding and gaining more taxpayer money. But this has to be addressed. We don't put a moratorium in place and focus everything now to these flooding issues. We're not going to have a community to come home to in 23 years. And that's just the facts. Planet does not care about anything else but where the water goes. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment and caring so much about edgewater. I appreciate it. Absolutely. No public participation, please at this time. Second warning. Thank you, Rebecca Cruz, 2139 South Riverside Drive and Edgewater. First of all, Councilman Wilkie, I would like to say my condolences for some of the things you've experienced. I think the first time in my life, we all have fear to express opinions because hate comes next. So I can appreciate your courage. Thank you. One of the things to address, I know when we started the workshop, the industrial and commercial was supposed to be excluded. Bliss talked a little bit about the financial impact of those. I was the person in charge of the Boston Wailer expansion to bring an annex the property into the city we were county and we were happy to do so. I think if I sat on that same decision today my decision would be different as Wood Brunswick our corporation. Not being able to improve your property's industrial and commercial and grow when the business grows, especially when you're talking about boat building, it's a real challenge. Everybody in this room and everybody in the city of edgewater, the cost of what happens when these moratoriums come across citywide is going to be borne by the citizens. There will be increased millage cost because somebody will have to pay. And then there's the cost of actually doing the work. Just looking across and doing a little research on moratoriums, they're typically focused and small. Those are the ones that work the best. If we're addressing a problem and issue in Florida shores, that one makes more sense. It doesn't mean you can't go back and add something else. An inordinate burden, anything beyond a year, typically more Toriums or six months to a year, we're talking about a start of the year, which is the maximum. So we leave ourself open for not only just residential and maybe builders that own some property, but we put an inordinate burden on both our commercial, industrial and residential businesses. Cost of the city and the budget. So where do those funds come from? I can appreciate us having money to help clean out canals and do some of those things, but the costs of operating this city over the next one, two or three years, as we issue this moratorium, will be a challenge and will have to be born by the residents and the businesses that are currently in place by increased taxes. Proposed devalue of land and as we stop building and stop growing, we run the risk of devaluing our current land properties, and also employment opportunities. When Bliss talks about SCVMTC, it was to keep our bright students here looking for great jobs. Thank you. I appreciate your comments. Thank you. Thank you for all you've done in all of Alicia County. Good evening. My name is Eric Rainbow. 118 San Remo Drive. A lot of great points so far. Whatever you guys decide. We got to think of how we're going to do it because the clock starts ticking once you guys vote. You have a time limit. These guys out here, these builders, they got a great point. We can do better. North Carolina, Batcave, they built a road, they said it'd take a year to build a road. A bunch of guys from West Virginia, they built a road from Batcave to Chimney Rock in 11 days. These builders out here might be able to help us. We're getting all this money from the county, from Danny Rob Robinson, whoever. Get some of that money higher, some of these guys. We got trenches that need to be widened, maybe reinforceable concrete, so they don't grow grass and all that. But whatever we do, we got to make a strong, comprehensive plan. Cause sitting up there on a planning and zoning board, I hear a lot about this, Bert J. Harris lawsuit stuff. Well, I've done a lot of research on these Bert J. Harris lawsuits. Not many are successful. They have to go to a circuit court and the land order must prove in an ordinent burdens. And that's at the monetary value now, not projected investment. Oh, I could have made $30 million, but you only spent 120,000. So we got to stop being afraid of lawsuits. Maybe take a couple on if we have to. I'd rather pay Mr. Wolf to defend us than pay some builder to come and you guys are to keep us safe. And just because somebody has an investment going on, doesn't mean I have to throw my furniture out and just treat again. And I mean, this is scary. Fortunately, I haven't flooded yet, but it's coming. I think Mr. Thurman is going to help our little section at Town where I'm at. Councilman Wilkie lives three doors for me. Luckily he's not up against that side. We had a developer move right up against my back fence. Three years later, they haven't fixed any of our problems. They're down in West Palm on their yacht, Sippin' Champagne. Sorry, somebody's gotta say it. But they're not from here, a lot of them aren't from Florida, some some of them are some of them are from Port Orange I'd like to be at least be abused by a local person just saying But that said you guys got a tough decision once that stopped that clock starts ticking We got a the comprehensive plan can protect us from a lot of stuff Comprehensive plans strong comprehensive plan can protect us from a lot of stuff. Comprehensive plan, strong comprehensive plan can protect us from the Burjaharis because they can't go against our comprehensive plan. But whatever you guys do, I think we got good people in place and we're your children. Thank you Mr. Rainbird for your comments. It is appreciated. Wolf Unger 1820 Comquat Drive. A couple of things. I am deeply concerned that we are actually entertaining the idea of telling the young people in this community that they're right to build on a piece of property is now taken away at the whim of the council. Our scientist is right. It's concrete. Okay, pavement and concrete. Something our ancestors in this state knew since Turnbull on down was that this state was always and still is a swamp. One of the things we don't ever talk about for some reason is this concept of natural flow laws. When somebody wants to build a building, a commercial building, a home, it doesn't matter. When they build, there's two things that can happen. Either the city says you must build that house so the water stays near property and percolates. And our ancestors did that by building footings, parapet, substructure walls, and then putting the house on a crawl space and everything stayed on the property. I don't know why we got us so enamored by monolithic slab homes, but that's what we're with. And she's right. We're putting these slabs of concrete down, slabs of asphalt in every street and we're wondering why we're flooding. Now the other side of the coin is if they're going to build on a raised ground or they're going to build right on the on the low ground without raising it, the water's got to go somewhere. And with the impact fees and the taxes you take on stormwater, it's been assumed by most people that that's what you're doing with the money, finding a way to take that water and put it somewhere else. So it doesn't affect your neighbors. My neighbor across the street from me flooded an Ian because the house that was built right next to him was raised almost three feet off the ground and everything that used to sit on that lot now went into his house and flooded him. So that's where we're at. I don't wanna tell my son, who just returned from the army, retired, where he wanted to find a piece of property build a house here for himself, that this city council was telling him, no. Okay? I don't have a problem if you turn around and say when you build your house, build it with a crawl space. That's something we need to look at. But one of those two things need to happen. We either tell people to build on crawl spaces or we take the tax money you're taking in and actually doing storm water management. Thank you, sir sir for your comments. It's truly appreciated. Thanks for caring so much about Edgewater like all of you do. Agnes Twitter 223 Flagler Avenue. I was just wondering if y'all have ever thought about inviting some construction companies to come and have a meeting with you and discuss with them. What it would cost if we decided to say if you want to build, you have to build on a foundation. If you want to pour a driveway or a sidewalk or a patio, the cement has got to be permeable. Sit down and have a conversation because there may be a way we can work to where we can build. But if you don't ask the question and you don't get the answers, you don't know. So why not try it? Thank you, ma'am, for your comment and great points. Good evening. I'm Keith Norden with Team Volusia EDC. We work very closely with the SPMTC in recruiting higher paid jobs to Volusia County. We have an investor community and you're one of our investors and we appreciate your support since the beginning, but we have investors that have offered their services. We have several local engineering firms, highly rated firms that would like to work with your staff to talk about the plotting issues. That's one point of my being here and they have offered their services. But also we are concerned a bit of the moratorium on the industrial and commercial. We have a pipeline of 50 projects that we're currently working on. We effectively located with community partners, Boeing Defense, which will bring 400 jobs to the Embry Rittle campus. And also the French Aviation Company of 2010 jobs. That will be starting in 2028 going into the early 2030s. But because we are focused on aviation airspace and because of your location in Southeast, pollution, we are a bit concerned at the perception it will give to our 50 companies in our pipeline, the moratorium on commercial industrial. We understand there's a problem and we appreciate it, but I just wanted to cite our concern of the perception that will cause. So thank you very much for listening and I appreciate it. Thank you, sir, for your comments. If you could please give the firms that have offered to help to our city manager who can then extend it to us, we appreciate it. Very well, thank you so much. Good evening. My name is John Ward. I live at 614 Midfield Loop. I'm also the CEO of Everglades Boats. We proudly employ about 300 employees, 200 of which live in the city of Edgewater. And I will tell you, I'm against the this moratorium for a couple of reasons. Most people sitting in this room this evening don't know that the largest security breach and theft in the history of this city occurred at my facility a couple of three or four months ago. And one of the things that this moratorium is gonna do, it's gonna prohibit us from being able to make the appropriate investments through comprehensive plans and changes to our facility so that we can secure our employees and our assets at Everglades Boats. So from that vantage point, the moratorium doesn't make sense. And I would encourage all of you to look at this and think about it smartly and reasonably on what makes the most sense. I'll also tell you that when Hurricane Ian came through, 18 of my employees lost their homes. And so I feel and I understand, and our company stepped up and gave tens of thousands of dollars to help our employees. So the focus needs to be a rifle approach, taking what the mayor has talked about and expanding on that, and doing it at a level that's 10X, 20X, of what you're saying because that next storm is going to be here. We need to do that. Not take a shotgun approach and just splatter everything, say we're going to stop everything. Let's really focus on the problem at hand and help these employees out so they don't have to go through that again. Thank you. Thank you sir for your comment and all you do for edgewater still waiting for a tour. My shame was plugged there at the end. Even everybody Scott Steger I, I live at 466 Champaign Circle in Port Orange, but I have a business at 602 Indian River. I had some great notes, but everybody before me set all the things really important. So I thought I would just say a couple things that happened in my recent past. My grandfather bought some property down here a long, long time ago. When I was in my teens, so 40, 50 years ago, he bought swamp land in Florida. We all laughed, I grew up in Virginia and that was the thing that was going. All the older people who were retiring bought swamp land in Florida. Wanna know where the swamp land was in Florida that he bought. There's Florida shores. Literally bought a lot in Florida shores. Actually moved down here, put a mobile home down in Florida shores when Florida shores was a really large mobile home park. As it turned out it wasn't really swamp land but we're seeing a lot of that now. What I want to say to you tonight is something that happened to me today. I own a real estate brokerage. When my agents came in and said, hey, I have somebody who wants to build a house. And they're looking at a lot right down here in Edgewater. And she said, the lot is $275,000. They want to build this house. They're going to spend $800,000 building the house. So they'd be in for about $1 million. They feel like the house should be worth 1.4 to 1.5 million when they're finished. And here was my advice. Wait until after the Commission meeting or the Council meeting on Monday. Because if you guys decide to do this overall moratorium, that property would be worth $100,000 less as soon as it's finished. I want you guys to be thinking big picture. You don't represent just a small number of people. You represent the entire city of Edgewater. Make sure as you're making the decisions that you're thinking about everybody in Edgewater and the impact that this is going to have on them. Let's talk about businesses that were going to move into the area. I would argue that might move into the area. You are the foundation of this community. Your consistency, your stability makes a huge difference in the decisions that residents make and that businesses make when they're considering moving into edgewater, you need to be stable, you need to be constant. These rash changes, including a year-long moratorium that includes business and commercial and industrial, are going to scare people away. And that might be the intention. But just be aware as you're going through and you're making these choices, that you're going to frighten people. People look to you to be stable and to be consistent. And if you don't do that, you're going to cause problems for you long-term big picture. And I would just like to close with Mr. Wilkie. I hope that what happened to you does not discourage anybody in this room or anybody listening or watching or running for office. It should never happen that way and thank you for what you've done. Thank you Scott for your comments. It's appreciated. Sorry. Hi, I'm Connie Massey. I live at 878 Old Mission Road. I'm a longtime resident of this county, Warner Rays here, Warner Fishman Royal Hospital 60 years ago. Kind of in the same boat as Mike, you wanna talk on both sides. I flood all the time where I live. When I, the last two storms, I could only had access by boat. And that was for a good week's time. Not a few days. I don't drain off because I take on a lot of water before it leaves me. So I can't get to my property for five to seven days. And I'm actually okay with this because I'm used to it at this point. My property in New Samarna flooded, displaced my special needs son for seven months. So I understand flooding issues, but I also own property and edge water. And I think it's irresponsible when I take my car to a mechanic and I want to tear apart my engine because my battery needs to be jump started. You guys have not dealt with the issue from the get go. I mean if there's a drainage issue for houses flooding, let's try dealing with the drainage issue to start with. A year-long moratorium isn't going to stop that issue. You have to work on that issue. And you can't always just, you can't just start in the middle. You can't go to the engine to fix the battery. You got to start from the beginning. If everything's going to flow, if you think everything's flowing to the river, or needs to flow to a retention area, and it's not getting there because something's blocked, start at the river, start at the retention area where it needs to get to a retention area and it's not getting there because something's blocked. Start at the river or start at the retention area where it needs to get and work its way to the problem. I mean, you can fix it there and you can fix it there and you can fix it there, but if anything's blocked back here, you're still going to have a problem somewhere along the way. But you've got to start there. That's where the problem is right now. If you think in a year's time we have another rain and you haven't fixed those people's problem, they're still going to flood. You're still going to have the problem. You need to focus your money and your time and your energy to get to fix this situation. And a year down the road, if we have another rain and these people are still flooding, then readdress, you know, what's the bigger picture here? But don't tear apart the engine to jumpstart the battery when you haven't even tested the battery. Work on the issue and fix the issue that's happening right now and that's these people flooding. Okay, see, I got news for you, you're not gonna fix my problem, I live in Volusia County, and I'm gonna flood. I gotta take on all the coral traces water. I got two big square culverts coming on my property and one little seven in it. Thank you, man, for your comments. It's really pretty. Thank you all very much. Thank you, ma'am, for your comments. It's really appreciate it. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Please know public participation. Hello, Claudia Adkins, 3230 Woodland Drive. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak tonight. Our community is at a crossroads. While growth can be beneficial, the pace of development and edgewater has far outstripped our infrastructure's ability to keep up. Our roads are congested, our schools are overcrowded, and our utilities are under strain. Basic services like water management and public transportation are already struggling to meet the needs of current residents. Let alone the influx of new residents and businesses that recent developments will bring. Without a pause, we risk creating a community where quality of life is compromised for everyone. Current and future residents alike. A moratorium would give us the time we need to assess the impact. Conducted thorough evaluation of how recent proposed developments are affecting traffic, utilities, schools, and other critical infrastructure. Number two, plan for sustainability. Update our zoning regulations and master plans to ensure that new developments align with the community's vision and capacity for growth. Number three, engage the community. Create opportunities for meaningful impact from residents so that decisions reflect the needs and values of those who call Edgewater home. Other citizens have other cities have successfully implemented temporary moratoriums to address similar challenges, and it's time for Edgewater to take this step. I urge the council to prioritize the long-term well-being of our community over short-term gains. By enacting a moratorium, we can assure that Edgewater remains a place where families, businesses, and future generations can thrive. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Claudia, for your comments. It is appreciated. Theresa David, 1015 Regents Street. I know that everybody is focusing on the flooding, but that's our secondary issue. Our major issue is our comprehensive plan. The reason that we are having all this flooding is because we have a weak comprehensive plan and the reason for the moratorium is so that you guys could rework so the city could rework the comprehensive plan. Right now, we have a developer feeding frenzy. We have to have a reworked comprehensive plan to create a reasonable development plan for the city moving forward. That was your original purpose for doing this more to re-work and strengthen our comprehensive plan. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. David, for your comment. Hello. Sarah Dirty, 621 North Riverside Drive. First, Councilman Wilkie, thank you for everything. I'm nervous standing up here and have been asked to run for office and never would because of here for my kids. I'm kind of in the middle on this. The Gaborty Canal that you've been mentioned several times runs right through my front yard. And I can tell you that no one has asked to see what that into the canal looks like. Everything stopped at 10th Street and no attention got paid to anything on the other side of US one. My dog can walk out the yard and across the canal and it doesn't change. It's the same level as my yard. Now I'm on the business side where I'm looking at expansion and filling in an area that already has concrete, but I have to think twice about that now and two phone calls I made today were to look for property outside of the county. Understand both sides, but when you come at industrial and commercial and group that in with residential, it's going to cause big problems for business owners who want to employ more people in the community. So I ask you to think hard about this and not just throw it across the entire community. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Donna McDavid, 1201 Bond Street. I support this moratorium. It is a time for a pause, a time for you guys to look at our comprehensive plan. It has failed. And to be honest, each and every one of you have failed us. Three times a flood victim. The problem was known. It wasn't followed through. Makes it hard. Everybody talks about the loss of jobs for the construction people. What about the ones of us that have lost everything? I hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving. I have no table to sit at. Thank you. Thank you for your comment, ma'am. George Miles, four, five, seven, five, eight, cornway. I'm on a corporate of Lucid County, but I'm also civil engineer and I deal George Miles, or 575A Cornway. I'm on a corporate of Alyssa County, but I'm also a civil engineer and I deal with these projects. In fact, I have one on the agenda tonight on a second reading. I listen to the stormwater issues and I see it. As an engineer, I can tell you that I see a lot of things that scare me around this county, and even the city. You have properties for sale that flood every time it rains. Should we do something of the comprehensive plan to say you're not going to build? People will get upset, but if you don't, that will always be a problem once they do develop it. You will send that stormwater to other lots. My neighbor filled in a wetland. I turned him in. We're still working on it to get him to remove the dirt and it's been a year and a half. His fill flooded the neighboring lot and the neighbor's house during this last storm which was minimal. His house didn't flood during it. And I'm trying to let you know as as an engineer you have to live make sure your engineers with the county or the city and even the county because that's going to force water on to you. You go down to mission. There's two lots down there that flood every time it rains. Make sure you look at all of this as a whole. Make a plan that protects that. And as far as when it comes to asphalt, concrete, causing impermeability, yes. 98% of that water is going to run off. Can you do something about it? Yeah, you can put storage underneath those parking lots. Is it expensive? Yes. Am I doing it right now? Yeah, matter of fact, I am. I want to have our clients. They don't have enough room for the storm water. We'll put in a whole storm water system under their parking lot. Use advanced techniques. Make sure your engineers are doing what it needs to get done to store and dispose of the storm water properly. Don't send it on to the neighbor's lots. That's the biggest problem. Whether you do the moratorium or not, I don't care. That's up to you. Everyone can get upset when we are another. The truth is looking at the future and figuring out the best path for everyone is important in making sure that you don't flood out the old school neighborhoods for the new school. Thank you. Thank you sir for your comments. It's really appreciate. Patrick Fisher 2100 Air Park Road. So there's a lot being said tonight but the one thing that has to be considered at the end of the day is everybody has land owner has rights to their land but we don't have the right to continue development at the expense of our neighbors and the rest of our community. So this moratorium is going to give us the opportunity to address a lot of the things that has been discussed this evening. You know, you guys have heard this from me and I've sent it to you before. But we need to, we need some way to measure the financial impacts to the city from new developments on our infrastructure and our neighbors and our community. We need to ensure our current stormwater systems are operational and enforce proper routine maintenance to prevent system overloads. We're working on that. You're working on that. Aggressively pursue additional funding for projects to increase the city stormwater handling capacity, capacity. Create a regular stormwater maintenance plan. That's in the works. You continue to talk about the funding we're going for and the money we're trying to get to fix things. But more so than most any of that is we hear from lawyers, developers, we dot the eyes, we the T's and you've heard this this evening. Our comp plan and the standards, St. John's Water Management District, wherever you're talking about, everybody comes and says we dot the eyes we cross the T's we're good. But we're not. Those systems are failing and that's why we need to moratorium. We have over 10,000 residents scheduled on the books, right? There's work, there's development and this isn't cut everybody off but there's there's work there. But at the end of the day we have to fix the comp plan, we have to fix the regulations. We have to fix the building code. Nobody needs to come in and strip the land and put seven, eight feet of fill. Right? There's other building methods. Are they more expensive? I'm sure they are. But shouldn't be the neighbors and the residents of new development foot in the bill and the cost for all of that So again, I support the moratorium and I hope you vote to continue. Thank you serve for your comments. I truly appreciate it Okay, you know further citizens comments. we will go to council comments at this time. I want to ask maybe Rhino would good one to start with with this first ordinance that we're talking about. And it's annex annexing rezoning comprehensive plan amendment slate plans preliminary preliminary plans and final plots. What annexations what does that cause? As you want us flooding to annex someone into the city that is county would only give the city more ability to dictate what could or couldn't go there if we stop I mean so annexing I don't think is the cause of flooding and I don't know that if that's something that needs to be in this ordinance and this is actually additional tax base for the city as well being annexed into the into the from the county to the city and do we need to have a motor charium to start working on the comprehensive land codes, land development codes? Do we need to have a motor trim to do that? Can we continue? And each piece we look at is a individual site plan that we look at or we approve or disapprove. As our way that we can continue going forward without stopping this for the moratorium or without having this for the moratorium. I understand you know we need to work on the comp plan we need a rehaul as our way that we can continue continue doing business and having a better handle on what comes to four council. So the way this Ryan's ulcers, the way this moratorium was written is that it was meant to be applied throughout the city and it was for new applications for annexations, rezoning comp plan amendments. Typically to your point, if you come in on just an annexation, and it's an existing building, and you're going from city to county, no, it's not gonna change anything. The only thing that the city's getting is now the tax revenue. Typically though, annexations are accompanied by rezoning and comprehensive plan amendments. Pretty typical. That's pretty typical. That's why that was included. As far as the complexity of the moratorium, and whether or not we can do code changes, we can start with code changes, even without a moratorium. The moratorium was supposed to provide kind of a leveling off, and it was the desire of the council to Bring somewhat of a pause so that staff could have that opportunity to take on that process Ex so Okay, all right. Thank you Why you're up there. I have a bunch of questions by what people were talking about About the moratorium. One, have. For the two months I've been up here, it just feels like talk. Okay. We've talked about changing codes. We've talked about different ways that we can make this work, but I don't see where we're going. That's one. If we're going to change codes, stem walls, permeable soil, I mean, I do, when we do pre-trees, there is soil sometimes that when we go to put the chemical down, it'll just stay up top. We have absorbance. We have roads that absorb things. We have sidewalks. In these codes, we need to change what we're using, what the builders are using for material. Okay, that gentleman just said that which I didn't know that we can put stormwater underneath the parking lots. These are things that we need to get a move on for our codes because the codes is really what's going to affect everything. The moratorium for the city, excluding commercial and industrial and manufacturing, I don't understand why we would do that if it's not affecting flooding areas. One, as a city council, okay, we are the ones that are supposed to monitor each individual building being up. So a full city moratorium to me makes no sense. I understand the floor to shores one. But these come before us, these first readings come before us. Why are we just not rejecting them? Why do we have to put a moratorium in effect to say, let's say blue line on a motive that wants to be put in edgewater lakes, we can approve it. We put a city moratorium, they can't do it for a full city moratorium. We have the power up here You guys have the power up here to make those decisions to say no, we're not doing this in this area Perdita where it floods bond street where it floods wildwood subdivision where it floods, but areas that are not affected that are outside We should give the I mean we have to bring revenue in. If we want to fix our infrastructure to me we have to bring revenue in. The other thing is is his point of hiring contractors. I don't know what's in the budget but for two months or three months now since the storm we've talked about what we're going to do. Okay, I don't see that we are doing it. I don't see that we are clearing the storm water stuff out fast enough quick enough. I feel like it's a slow pace. Maybe it's just me, but as a person that's worried about the city also and still wants development and to bring finances back in, I'm not saying bring huge development. But look, we can do a lot of things. Somebody wants, I was in Jones Fish Camp Road and I haven't been down there in two to three years. The last time I was down there was actually looking to buy the property where they're built in the hotel. I said it's a beautiful piece of property. I think it was going for like 2.3 million. I was talking with the wife that we should buy this property and we didn't I drove down there today And I didn't even know all those houses were built back there those town homes and all that stuff The problem is if we're building on a 50 by 60 lot We should be requiring a stem wall or crawl spaces if we're building on a 70 by 120 lot Maybe a monolithic slab, but we're just feeding it to them and if we don't make changes in our codes We're not gonna get anywhere, you know, so to me But we're just feeding it to them. And if we don't make changes in our codes, we're not going to get anywhere. You know, so to me, I would say, think about the moratorium as a city wide moratorium. We have control up here to stop whatever we need to stop. Now, you're doing multiple jobs right now. So if you think a moratorium is an effect for you guys to catch up, why a year moratorium is an effect for you guys to catch up. Why a year moratorium? Do a four month moratorium where you can change these codes, we can affect different things and get it going. I mean, I know in a year moratorium, we can stop it at any time. But I just think we have to really think about the financial impact because we're gonna lose the finances. We're not gonna have the money. Yes, we're getting grants, but it ain't going to cover a lot of this stuff that we need to do. And we need to get this taken care of as soon as possible as far as I feel. I don't know if you guys need time, if the moratorium is going to help you out. Is it going to help you out to catch up on what needs to be done? I think to answer your question. Yes, we do need time to do the moratorium, especially if you want which the public has expressed public input. Yes, staff could ram changes down the code. We could do those code changes very quickly and get them back on the agenda. Whether or not everyone would be happy? Probably not. Very likely not would be. If we want to engage the public in both the comprehensive plan and the land development code, it will take time to do those public meetings. It's just the nature of doing public engagement, especially in planning. It takes education, and then it takes actually kind of starting broad, the scope of the city, what we want the city to look like. How do we get there? Here's the code change. Staff then does that. So I think doing it in this manner with the moratorium was part of that purpose, was to help facilitate that public engagement process for updating the land development code and the comprehensive plan. You think it should stop commercial and industrial in the areas that are not affected or what's your opinion on that? What's my opinion on the commercial industrial? Would you say still go with that but put it on flooding areas? I mean, it's not up to staffs. It's up to the council. Yeah, but I'd like to know your opinion You're you do a lot of the permitting and everything here What would it help you to catch up? Or do you think that? I think that the city is going to need a lot of money to fix past mistakes. I think that commercial industrial, it's just a fact that it does provide additional tax revenue beyond residential development. As another member of the audience did state tonight, and where personally I know, where our B3 highway commercial where our industrial is, a lot of those areas do not flood. Also a lot of them beyond the one that Mr. Rainbow always talks about, the liquor store. Beyond that one, most of those commercial and industrial sites do not use a whole lot of fill. So I think to a certain extent, I think that those provide jobs, they provide extra tax revenue that the city will need, and they're not in areas that have flooding, at least the majority of our highway commercial in our industrial is not consistently flooding. Thank you. I know how many commercial industrial plans you have submitted currently in your office. I just did it today for the economic development board. It's online I say 11 12 and how many jobs is that estimated to create within the city total? I I just be throwing a number out. I can't say for certain. Gotcha. Okay. And you've been with the city for how long now? Just over a year. And how many industrial and commercial sites have you seen come across your desk? For the year I've been here, probably 15 or 20? Gotcha. And that is, that's currently all I have. Last question for me, Ryan, is art comp plan and our code changes realistically if we fast-paced it how long would it take us to make effect on these things? Are we talking six months? Do we talk four months? Do we talk take a year just because depending on whether we go to two meetings It'll still probably take a year because the comp plan amendment It would be a large scale conference of plan amendment, which means that it has to be transmitted to the state It has to be sent to VGMC. So which is Volusia County growth management So that in and of itself sending it to the state, the state on the large scale so that I have transmitted about two of them here at the city since I've been here. They've taken about 88 days for the state to get comments back to the city. So, you know, by month seven, I will need to have this document prepared so that I can transmit that, I can take it to planning and zoning and get it on for a first reading so that by the time it's being transmitted back and it's ready for a second reading from the state with the state comments that you guys are ready to adopt it before the moratorium ends. So it will be, you know, actually doing the planning work. I really only have probably six or seven months to do this effort. Some communities take one and a half, two and a half years to do these. So this is quite an undertaking for this community and to really look at both the comprehensive plan and the land development code given our short time frame because of these statutory requirements of transmitting a large scale comprehensive plan amendment. How many currently, you know, we have an opportunity zone amongst U.S. 1, need to remember that there is somebody in the audience, Mr. Martin, say that when they have to redevelopment, they're up to stormwater codes and par. They gave direction to the Glass City Council meeting that we were gonna exclude commercial redevelopment in the opportunities zone. Ryan, how many individuals since you are now this economic developer, director of intern, how many projects do we have currently amongst you as one that is eligible in the opportunities and is currently under redevelopment amongst you as one? I'd probably say half the properties that are coming before our first site plan. Now, I've said this since day one of being on the city council. I've said it day one of being in the city. We have a responsibility to know exactly where our current stormwater is going. We won't know until we have an update. Our family lost everything twice. You know, with that being said, I've been on the council for two years. And most of the complaints, and I look forward to hearing still from the other members and potentially some more staff members. Most of the complaints I've heard and seen firsthand is residential development. I have received maybe one issue with a commercial development, and it was with a traffic issue. I grew up at the Massey, or Park Ranch, which my parents had a early business in one of the gentlemen's in the audience. I won't chow them out, but I watched his business expand and industrial business I just want to ask you to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask you to ask me to ask you to in the areas within the city until we don't know, what we don't know is what I keep stating. And yes, Mr. Wilkie, you're darn right. Maybe there's some more things that we should have done. Maybe there's more things we should be doing now. It does seem talk, talk, talk, no action, but approaching environmental services or busing or busing or Thomas Boken said he saw them out. We still need to continue as a city. We still need to add positions as we all agree tonight and need to be added. So you need to keep that in mind when we continue and move forward, not taking a stance because yet, look forward to hearing all the opportunities, but that's my current thoughts. And clearly what we are doing is not working. So I look forward to hearing back what we will finalize and know what we need to do for storm water improvements without we all know the problematic areas. But we'll have a master engineer tell us exactly what we need to do and how much it will cost. I wanted to bring up. No, you go ahead. Okay, I just wanted to bring up some of these since we're talking about industry and business. We talked about Parktown excluding them from the World Tourium, but we have other areas like on US one. And I want to see what Council thought about expanding the Eastern boundary line to the railroad tracks instead of going to the middle of Indian Palm Drive and some division there expand it. So it gives more businesses opportunity. We have a lot of commercial businesses on high of going to the middle of any impome drive in the subdivision, they are expanded. So it gives more businesses opportunity. We have a lot of commercial businesses on high-biscuits drive that have not flooded or created some more impacts to the neighborhood, yet they will be affected too, as long as businesses along US one. So I really want to tread lightly and really consider where we're placing the moratorium, like you said, on areas that have not been effective, who do not affect other areas, why are we punishing them? We want to embrace the businesses as they come in, commercial industrial or manufacturing, and I want to make sure our doors are open. So I want to just consider that when we're talking about the broad stroke of where the moratorium will go. And Miss Jamison's report, air park is the largest industrial corridor in all of Belichic County. Yes, as well. So, thanks about it. Now, in Yoll's workshop, y'all discussed excluding commercial and industrial, right? But then you re-added it, right? Somehow we gave consensus, I believe, to not have part-town in a separate city council meeting, we gave consensus for an opportunity zone, I think it was lost amongst the crafts. Okay, well, if all we have to do is add three, well, now don't get me wrong, I'm four or the more or two on it, but the citizens are going to be shooting herself in the foot because they're going to have to pay the bill where the tax burden or the tax base that we get from commercial and industrial, you know, they told you, you know, and but those are a lot of what is. I mean, we're still going to get the tax base anyway from Boston weather. But if it's a what if, what if we want to expand? You know, then, and that's what we're talking about. You know, what if the businesses who are here now who want to expand, cannot expand, like Everglades was talking about because if we put that blanket in our drawer and then we're tying their hands as well. I just don't want to see the citizens, when it comes to their preparations, after we get back the master plan for the drainage, the citizens got to put the whole bill, where if we got that money packed based from the businesses, I think that would help a lot Dodgers manufacturing and employees also Spoken a night. So I know all you have to do is add three words Is exclude And then you still have we still have the right and I don't let me tell you right to turn something down in an area I may be old when a year goes by fast, but he a year does go by fast and a year is not Attorney so we need a pause to catch up on our Infrastructure no doubt my mom by that Regardless this for the public to hear. We will still hear every site plan correct if we exclude commercial development if it's not already applauded for zone for it. Correct, but it also, so if we just so you're aware, right? So if we exclude commercial and industrial, I just want you to have complete understanding of how this moratorium works. It both affects site plans, but it also affects entitlements. So I've still wanted to change land during the moratorium and they are going to commercial, right? That would be allowed to apply. So I just want to make sure that we're all fully aware of if we do exclude commercial and industrial, it also allows people to entitle and then subsequently build commercial and industrial. If it is approved by the council, of course. But it does allow for Everglades Boats to apply for a site plan to reinforce their facility so that there is no theft. It does allow businesses to expand during the moratorium. But they will still have to apply for a site plan and then if it's over 25,000 square feet, it'll come before the Council for a vote. If it's less than 25,000 square feet staff will review it and have the TRC have a public vote and approve the project. Whatever we do, we need to do it tonight. Get it going. Yes. I agree. You have a commoner question, Councilwoman Gillis. I just, I mean, I have citywide concerns and general just, I mean, Rob, you brought up the neighbourhoods. There's so much focus on the shores but you have like wildwood Palmetto Perdita Highland Pine Bluff Palm Way Regent and bond so many areas that are affected that are not in the Florida shores or Florida shores drainage bas and that but you still have on the council when they come up you still have the right to refuse them if a car wash is being built by Perdita we still have the right to refuse that being built. Some of them don't because that car wash over on 10, that was coming in with a pure cyclone. Yeah, so if someone comes in, someone purchases a B3 highway commercial property and they have a use, they're the use they're proposing the car wash, for example, is allowed by right means all they have to do is submit a site plan. They don't come in for a comprehensive plan amendment or a rezoning. They have the correct zoning already. They have that right. So then they simulate a site plan and staff are used for a code requirements. Can you put the moratorium where just affecting flooding areas like certain areas like Perdita, on street, wildwood subdivisions, so in other words, in the moratorium could you put any commercial being built on the south side of Park Avenue between this and this area? Could you have restricted areas for that moratorium? And in this way, you can control that area right there in the moratorium. Yes, but as I can feel there's an impetus to do something tonight, that would rather... Well, if we agreed on it tonight, you could just draw it up and it could be done, right? Correct. It could be added. It could be added. Anything could be added or changed in the first thing. But to that point, you're leaving a lot of discretion on staff to try and come up with these boundary lines based on region. So I don't want, and I don't want to delay the process if the intent is to get this passed in January. If I come back with, I've drawn a squiggle around region and you're like, well, you didn't get this part of it. And then it's like, well, but it's already been published. Now you gotta kick it. I just want to be aware that making these sort of changes can draw out the process. I would agree on citywide because what you're going to have is you're going to have the screwing nation. You know why didn't you include me? Why didn't you you know. Jeff can ask you a question whatever happened with them moving forward the date for giving our water thing we're paying extra 20,000 we even got a response back is it still looking like coming back in February of next year? Oh yeah it's in my report. We will get the 20 year CIP project in about September the final report will come mid-December. Okay. So it's ahead of the February, which is nice. Okay. I signed that change order about two weeks ago. I don't know. We have to, it's a hard decision because commercial is going to bring in. I hate to say it, but it's going to help with paying a lot of this stuff, but I'm also worried about the people so but if we put a Remember to me in my opinion if we put a citywide moratorium that means What we're looking about talking about next is on hold to That's talking about our Our the city of edgewater putting their stuff out there off a Dale Avenue Are we gonna stop that project because to me look I don't want to put a stop to the day of project but if we're putting a full city wide moratorium what's good for the goose is good for the gander the city is going to take the bite in my opinion and you have to look at that because you can't just say hey look we're going to allow this out there but we're not going to allow people to do it either. Well, under, sorry. Just one point of clarification. I apologize, Mr. Mayor. To Mr. Wilkie. So the city has already submitted a site plan. So it's in the process. So that's how that works. So it'll still be approved. Anything. If it was approved by the council, then it would be approved. But that's right thank you just keep that clarification. Let's get her done. Yep let's go. Well hold on a question. That's okay. Where I'm at with it is I just would like to exclude the, and around the airport, Park Avenue corridor, but when you get with that, you're talking about exclusion and this out and the other. Well, that's already been identified. They had to identify it for several stormwater projects and issues to go up to a county level. They actually upgraded the stormwater force new development, forced development. Amongst redevelopment amongst US1 they have to be the new stormwater measures. My voting record shows, I've said since day 1 I cannot continue to approve these large subdivisions that are 12 feet above the neighboring lot lines, but I agree with that. And 50 for a lot. I agree with that. The commercial development, like I said, I had a traffic concern. And that was the major concern I had. I've never had a concern or resident as far as building because like Ryan said that we don't get a large amount of Well, we do but we don't get a large huge amount like residential wise as far as commercial development That's that's my thoughts and I Look my grandma lost everything twice my family flooded deer and hurricane Ian. They would have flooded the last time if they didn't use flex seal. I've been impacted. I know, no offense, the most on the council, as far as personalized flooding goes. It's so important that we have a stormwater master plan just to know where our water is flowing currently. It'll be an expert and won't be anybody within the city of Ed's water. It will be an outside term. So the residents, I think, will feel or secure to get a second opinion. But we also, it's not fair to exclude commercial development that want to redevelop and bring a new feature to the city without Adding watershed but improving it. That's where I'm that's my thoughts I support a citywide residential moratorium without a question. I'm sorry So excluding commercial and industrial manufacturing is what you would say I Citywide excluding commercial and industrial manufacturing is what you would say. I'm Hibiscus. I'm Hibiscus. And we're going to be splitting here. Why can this business or commercial operate and build? This one cannot. Even if their booth are comparable and each have not closed flooding in the areas. You are, and I agree with that. But as far as I'm sorry, I'm not trying to cause it. OK, no, it's a good talk. I think you're getting too close to Florida shores on Hibiscus. That's a good talk. I think you're getting too close to Florida shores on high biscuits, but there's already people that have been a lot of, if you go down high biscuits, most of it is built. There is a few buildable lots, which they should be entitled to you, absolutely, if they've already submitted plans and have plans in the future. A year is not going to kill a vacant lot unless there's a business that should have already been submitted or at least had plans for it or talked about with our building department. But as far as US one commercial goes, yes, you are a thousand percent correct. I think that redevelopment in our opportunities needs to be preserved as much as we possibly can. We looked at there's several redevelopment going on right now amongst US one. It makes the city look strong. A better wild preserving the businesses that are already there. I think that's, I think US one should be built. I think I agree with you with high biscuits. I think high biscuits still could affect Florida shores. And there's not a lot, a lot stay or drive up and down it all the time. That's the only wanted to include that because it's a business street but we could include going forward it could be ordinance could be made US one and maybe to the railroad tracks. I think that should be workshopped and also what was talked about and sorry guys it didn't come to you because of the former city manager sorry I'm really not trying to bring him up but they there was a meeting with you to extend the rural boundary agreement with the city of O'Kill that the council had no idea about. There's so many things that could have been communicated better that should have been workshoped. There were never brought forward to us. And one of the things I'm most happy about is our communication. We got a lot of things to talk about. That's one of the things I'd be more than happy to talk about. But sorry, one more thing. We have on this agenda for I believe that we got to talk about. You are discussing it. I wanted thinking outside the box with some of this, because I know some of the concerns with the business, like you just made this pop into my head. As far as are we able to require some of the site plans to come to us. So if we exclude the zone that we get to hear other things that normally wouldn't come to council. Because there's so many things right now that we just get an email where it's like, I got a bunch of emails and calls about that we've got the Taco Bell and the Popeyes. Why did you guys let this? And we didn't have a say. I just got an email, hey, by the way, we're getting these things. So and because they were approved just by site plan alone. So are we able to make it so things that would, if we allow commercial and industrial to go through, can we make it so we still have to be heard? And things aren't approved on site unseen. By the way. can we make it so we still have to be heard and things aren't approved on site unseen? So short answer is yes, we can make any code change, but it has to be a code change. The code says right now that less than 25,000 square feet, it's approved by the TRC committee. And then if it's over 25,000 square feet, it comes before the council. I will say though, site plans are an administrative decision. Could it be added into the ordinance that we're writing now, if anything can be added? Can it be added into this? A text amendment in this ordinance? No, because it wasn't advertised for that purpose. So I think that would be a problem to make any edits that aren't necessarily related to what we advertised for. Okay, so when we go forward this first reading for this ordinance 62, we will add, are we going to add US one corridor as well as part town? I am more in favor of redevelopment opportunity on US one instead of building, but my fear with that is, yes, I know I say to that, but thinking here, high-biscuits to the south of US one in south riverside dry, that would be my concern because that's when you're kind of Hipping into those neighborhoods that flow Water-wise the Florida shores that that would be my only concern But then again, we're getting back to the conversation of the drawing pen of who's excluded and who's not You said we couldn't do that the other because of the advertisement requirements It could have the advertised because of the advertisement requirements. It could have be advertised prior to the second reading or would that have already been to be added now. I think the problem is that it didn't go to planning and zoning with that being advertised. So we had to have the backtrack unfortunately. Okay, so let's ask this. We want to get it together. How quick could you get a moratorium together to redo it so we can just have another meeting if we wanted to do a meeting in two weeks and then have the meeting in that. I hate to trust me. I hate to do it through the holidays. But if we're going to get this approved for the second reading, why not just crunch time, have it redrawn up, come back in two weeks, approve it then in a special meeting, and then approve it again in January. I mean if we're going to try to, if we want to do that, if we want to get it the way, you guys want to get it the way we want to get it as a team, look, I got a lot of periods, a lot of stuff going, but I'm still willing to sit here for another meeting, whether it's a Tuesday night, a Friday night or a Saturday night, and get it approved right away. I don't want to postpone it, but I also want to make sure it's done right. And I don't want to wait postpone it to January, so we're doing it in February. And we need to do it as fast as we possibly. I mean, so to me, how long would it take to say it again, you know, but redo it to where we do US one corridor and we do part-town and say these are the ones that we approve for commercial and industrial. So we're still bringing money into the city, but we're still right on target to come back for the second reading. He can add that though between the first and second reading. I can, yeah, I can add things related to what Miss, he's talking about what I brought up. Yeah, I can add things that are related to the moratorium So we want to exclude a commercial industrial sure I can make that I can't add into this moratorium ordinance text amendments that weren't Advertised at planning and zoning and for this first reading because those are Yes, they're related, but they are rather distinct items. Could I ask you a turning it to the question? Would that or would that not be discrimination, what you're talking about doing? I think there would need to be a finding that excluding those areas of the city would not cause additional flooding. The reason they're excluded is because those areas being excluded would not cause flooding, so that's why they're being excluded. There needs to be a rational basis for excluding certain areas. So, if a business wanted to come in somewhere else. Like it and Suez for discrimination. No, not if you had a rational basis for excluding certain sections of the city. Okay. Thank you. Based on a finding that that wouldn't cost flooding. I have another question, Ryan. With this ordinance we're talking about right now. This is like Dulltree and Effort Gleeboot 2 or very established they want to add on they want to do something. Will this ordinance stop them for a year because they're not in Park Park Town or on US one? Correct. Unless unless that's the boundary. I I'm sorry, but what I've seen they are in the park town corridor Okay, I'm sorry the airport corridor. I apologize. Okay. I'm I'm speaking out of terms for what I've seen online Revis County ruins am I am I incorrect? No I mean, I would consider that area of air park road is essentially the industrial kind of, it is a kind of our industrial corridor right now. I'm told that every major manufacturer, except for Boston, Wayland, the city of Edgewater is included in the park town corridor. Now, please, I hope I didn't mistake this. It's making that. I'm giving that work. That is what I've been told. All right, so moving forward, how do we want to do it? Because we should get. We need to get moving. Yeah, we want to get moving forward tonight. I don't want to see it postpone again. I think I can kick in the end on the road. Yeah, I know. I need to get it. We all agree that exclude commercial and industrial park town in US one. Orchans, industrial manufacturing. Yes. And park town and industrial road. I mean, US one quarter. We all think that would be the way we want to change. I agree. I think that would be the best for the city. I do so. And then we're going to best for the city. I do too. And then we're going to discuss floor to shore. So that's the main thing. We really have to focus on. But I think right there, I think we should go, you know, still bring a profit into the city to help pay for what we need to pay for. And then maybe as we're doing that, we can start being more aggressive. And I'll ask Jeff and all that stuff in environmental services, how aggressive can we be on clearing out our storm frames and stuff like that. And we hire outside to get people to come in and start taking care of our problems before next hurricane season. But anyway, do we want to do that then? Let's put it in motion for that. I think so. I believe so. Is there a motion to approve. I would put in a motion for ordinance 2024-0-6-2 request for approval for citywide more to our regarding annexations rezoning comprehensive plan amendments site plans preliminary, preliminary plato, final plato, excluding commercial and industrial manufacturing, long park town and US one quarter. Can you clarify if that's a motion to approve, or can I please? Motion to approve. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalba. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePue. Councilwoman Gillba. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePueh. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Mayor Mastat. We'll take a short break and we'll recovine it. before the City Council is item 8p first reading or apologize 8Q first reading ordinance 2024 that's year that 63 request approval for the building moratorium within the Florida shores drainage basin please read into the record. Ordinance, on December 2024, I showed at 63 in order to the city of Edgewater, adopting a temporary moratorium on certain building permits for the Florida shores drainage basin, limiting any building permit that would increase in pervious surface area for a period any no later than January 6, 1026, unless rescinded or extended by a subject of an ordinance, finding procedures for best advice review for the specific matters addressed here and provided for complicate ordinances, provided for several ability and providing an effective date. Thank you sir, staff report. Thank you. This building permit moratorium would apply to the Florida Shore strain education, which was in exhibit A of said ordinance. Essentially it would not allow anyone who has not applied for a new single family home, any additions, detach garages, sheds, pools, driveways, patios. The nexus here is flooding. The concern or the relationship is adding in pervious surface area within that basin would exacerbate flooding. And so that's why this building permit moratorium for the area highlighted in the exhibit A was proposed. Thank you, sir. Open a public hearing citizens comments. There are no citizens comments about this matter. That's not right. Elliot Meadows, 21-22 cum clot. comments about this matter. I heard you guys talking about excluding some stuff in the previous comments. It's curious if we could exclude in fill lots only in this floor to shore basin of which I have about four or five. Thank you, sir, for that clarification and that comment. I would like to clarify, in the last moratorium discussion, we are excluding the park avenue industrial corridor. I'd like to clarify, I'm sorry. I could have spoke, I want to give clear direction that that was a consensus of the city council, and that was a consensus to Ryan Solv's attorney and the city manager. Okay, sorry, continuing citizens comments. How do you do quick? Still Scott Steger 5466 champagne circle in Port Orange. A couple of things about the Florida shores, Mortarium, a little bit of a concern on exempting low income or HUD properties that you don't get yourself caught up in a situation where you're looking at people differently based on their economic foundation, their basis. So caution that that you're at least considering it as you go through this. You got a lot of people who got flooded. This is a terrible, terrible thing. I support this idea of a moratorium in the Florida Shores area. I do please make it very, very specific, a very specific period of time, a very specific area, narrowly focused, and an outcome. When will the moratorium be lifted? Well, we'll be the thing that you have done where you go, OK, now we're done and it's good and we can lift this and it's not necessarily just a period of time, but that you're doing a study of some sort, cleaning out the ditches, the drainage and retention and so forth. So I completely understand and accept all of that. I think it's a good idea. I also think that you should consider some sort of a mechanism where someone could appeal. If you've got somebody who's trying to build, I don't know, extend their property so they can move their mother in. My parents are 81 years old, they've got some issues. If I needed to extend my property and put something in there, I think the reason you have a council is so that you can hear a legitimate argument for some sort of an exemption. So I would encourage you to try to put some sort of language in this that gives you the ability or the citizens the right to come in and say, hold it. This is a special need and that you guys can make that rational decision. Anyway, appreciate that. I support the idea. I just think you got a couple things to be careful about. Thank you, Mr. Scott, for your comments. I just appreciate it. a couple things to be careful about. Thank you, Mr. Scott, for your comments. It is appreciated. Okay, council comments. Well, the majority of the board lives in Florida shores. We've all seen it. We've all experienced Mr. Thomas. I believe your son's house flooded during Hurricane Ian. Yes, pretty close to your Milton Debbie. Yash, I mean, about inches. So, and not to say that Charlotte Rob has it gone through that. I mean, she's out of it still. Yeah, no more working on that. So, yes. I didn't understand it. We live in Florida shores. I think, Mr. Stagre had a great point. I think that, you know, I've said it for day one, we don't know where our current watershed is going to. We have a stormwater mass plan in place. We cannot continue the residential spill within the city that builds up such as sorry developments like a Bacca road and several other, that are at different elevations in Florida shores that may or may not cause water We've all come to road and several other, that are at different elevations and port of shores that may or may not cause water, so you have to go and port of shores. I think it does, personal basis, not an engineer, but we don't know until we get the stormwater mass free, but I think that he had a great point. Heaven forbid if we did flood again, and somebody's mother, sister, niece, they'd come away with them and they had to do an emergency extension to their home. I think that that is something to you. It could be appeal to the council. The hardship case. I did write that, actually I wrote that before even said it that we should have a hardship case for somebody that, has affected like your mother-in-law would have to move in or something like that. Where my thing is if we do a hardship case where They have to add like let's say an extra 400 square foot They in that case we should be I have them put a swell or something on their property to compensate for that extra 400 square foot Which wouldn't be bad You know what I mean? That's not saying we support it. It's just that you have the opinion just Yep sounds good. I have a question. With this, it says permits. Would this include, like a fence? Let's say I got one to put a woven wire fence around this property. It would not have cleaned that. It would not include a fence as we're looking at impervious things that are a you know, a driveway, a pool, an addition. My one concern with making edits to the way that the attorney and I drafted is, is that it's based on this impervious surface. So if we allow exceptions for others, the legal framework for this moratorium is based on that impervious service. So if we add exceptions it kind of defeats the purpose of the moratorium and I don't think it would be, I don't think if we got challenged on it with exceptions and I don't think we would be able to, I think it just be a point at that point. But if we do know exceptions but we adopt a hardship clause, wouldn't that open the door to allow, like for instance, the hud homes to apply? There was a concern about to apply for the hardship. There is in within the building within both there's vested rights determinations that are within both documents that was pulled from Newsorn Abeeach, which gives the ability to go through that process if they can deter show that they've had vested rights. Again, staff's concern is that although good intentions by the council to make these exceptions for HUD or extraordinary circumstances, I think from a legal framework, it might just end up not being able to withstand any sort of legal scrutiny if we add those exceptions and then it might be defeating the purpose of this moratorium, which is to not increase any more impervious. There always will be areas that really need exceptions, but law requires us to provide it equally. Mr. Gerby? I agree. I mean, especially making exceptions for HUD housing, something like that. I think you could draw an equal protection challenge to the ordinance. Because there wouldn't be a rational basis to exclude HUD housing when the goal is to prevent flooding there wouldn't be a rational basis to exclude HUD housing from this award so I would I would recommend not doing that Has any other so what we're talking about roof rooftops driveways concrete asphalt I wouldn't say so a new single-family home. Yes. A roof if you needed to replace your roof. No. It's if you're adding more impervious than what's there. So a rock if you want to put a rock driveway next to your driveway that would be okay. Yeah the the code allows for. Okay. Not necessarily the cut, but the apron itself, but that's another matter. Okay. And that was kind of my concern was, and I appreciate the hood homes, because we're very active in helping them. But when it comes down to the law, as a fair for them to build a home and to blocks over someone else's property Once the bill identical home, but we tell them no So I do see we could run to a challenge with that Are there any our eight solutions? What about the hardship, Mr. Attorney? Aaron, what about a hardship thing? Is that another thing that you would say? I mean, I know it's hard to debate on if somebody really is having somebody come in. But I'd hate for somebody's mother that lives in New Samaritan to have dementia and they need to move them into their home. I mean, it's only a year so they can, I'm sure they can make room in the house, but do you think it's still up for a lawsuit too, as in if we brought it up to council for hardship? I think it could. Okay. It could draw a challenge. Yeah, I figure. I think then not dinner up, but I think another important thing is getting back to when I made the first presentation about moratoriums and what someone spoke to earlier is what is the intent? What are we doing? In this moratorium we've said we're going to clean out. So when we feel that you know this right now has a date of a year this could be something that the council can obviously revisit by ordinance at any time to repeal it if they feel like gains are being made and it sounds like there's been a lot of impetus on making strides towards improving stormwater, especially in Florida shores. So that is also what is to come of by not increasing the impervious surface for this duration. We're hoping to prevent any additional flooding while we try to resolve the current flooding. Were there any other municipalities to your understanding plan or the UCD turning over to the city of Anjure? It has done hardship cases under a moratorium. I'm not aware of it, of any. So this would be something new that has not been done before. Question I have for the gentleman that was here, what about infill lots? I don't know about infill lots. I mean if somebody wanted to build a stem wall or something like that, it's really not as long as they can't put a driveway in, is it really going to affect that much or is it something we can do? something we still impervious so that wouldn't be approved? I think regarding the gentleman's comments I mean Hate to say it but yeah If he's intent on building homes. He's purchasing his lots. He should submit If that's the case. Yeah Okay, is there any further comments? So, do we need to change the wording in this then? No, I don't think so. The way it's presented right now is just a blanket. The loader showed us more time. Did you want to discuss about the boundary? About putting the boundary on high biscuits. We could definitely do that. Having the boundary on high biscuits to US one or high biscuits to the river as the ability is still billed because of the fact that that area is not prone to flooding. So you want me to pull the boundary to the west of highbiscuits? Yes, okay. I mean I as a for discussion that was something that This council I I don't think so I would rather stay at the train tracks. I mean look there like we were talking earlier There's not a lot of lots that are still available there. I just think you know Either way on that property right there even it's Commercial I still think that could affect the houses that are right behind it and I just hate to affect anything in Florida shores I'm even Looking at the whole air park areas off the new subdivisions are off. It looks like it's strictly just Florida shores. You know, so I'm looking. How is the area coming off of what's the road off air park that dirt road that goes back that way? No, not bulk. Between air park right off the silver. You know, Oak Trail. How bad is that? Is there still buildable lots back there? Is it affecting anything that's going to affect? Does that doesn't the water run right through there to go towards the hammocks? Most of that area is county. Okay. I understand that they're barbed, bar pit flooded and went into the silver farm ditch. Is that correct? Say that one more time. They barbed, they got a big bar pit on that property. And I during Milton it flooded and went into the silver farm ditch which helped flood Florida Fords. Are you talking about elegant manor sir? I don't know If you get straight on silver air park road straight right before you hit the estimate We're not talking about it. Thank you. That's elegant Sorry, I just want to clarify. Okay. I thought you met Okay, okay, talking about it trail. I'm sorry You all right. And it flooded to the Florida Shore Silver of the Street. You can see it coming out of the street. Is that included? Is that, is that elegant manner? Yeah, elegant manner is included. Okay, good. That is that it's got the little white dot on the western side of the map. The new town homes, just for clarification. Right on the other side of Elegate, Manor, and this well, I can't really, I'm sorry, I've already arrived. Everyone knows I'm visioned. Yeah, that's included as well. That entire area down the Volco is included, essentially in the Flutershore's Greenwich Basin. That entire area down the ballcoes included Centering that floor to shores drainage basin Okay All right See no further council comments Is there a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 2024-0-63 request for approval for a building permit, more auditorium within the Florida Shores drainage basin. Approved. Approved. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor Depu. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes Yes, Mayor DePueh. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilman Thomas. Yes We're gonna go ahead He's a public participation at this time, please We're gonna go ahead and do item 7D item 4B be. What about the city? Do you want to do the public work facility first? Yes, public work facility. That's all part of the public work. That was the one I pulled in to the public work. Along to the apologize, please bear with it. It is a heft to agenda. Go ahead, Brenda, with the presentation please. 10 A and B also. Good evening. My name is Brenda de Weiss, former Director of Environmental Services retired. I'm here before you to give a little history of how we've gotten to this point in time. I've been retired for about two and a half years and I began this project over ten years ago. So I've been asked to come and give some history to you all so that you understand the process of how we got here. The existing public works facility that houses refuse stormwater, street department is shown in this picture here and the upper left-hand corner of this picture is the area that we are looking to relocate. You'll see also to the right of that area there is also the wastewater treatment plant which is adjacent to this facility, and that will all come into play as I go through my presentation. I don't know if this is working. It's not working. Okay. The Fleet Departments Building, which is the majority of that, also houses all of the workshops for street department stormwater and refuse and this building was built almost 50 years ago. Obviously the city has grown since that time and pretty much this whole department has grown out of this facility. Back in 2007, our transfer station permit for solid waste was due for renewal. At that time, we had fear that the Florida Department of Environmental Protection would not renew the permit just because of such an antiquated facility that it is. The facility that you see out on 44 west of town that the Fulish County built is more of a modern building. ours is open space and it was determined that we need to look at, do we need to build a new transfer station. It was becoming, coming to a capacity as far as solid waste to be deposited there per our permit. In addition, we were looking at the expansion of the wastewater treatment plant was going to have to occur at some point in time. So in 2009, now comes Restoration's development order. With that came potential for 8,700 homes and over 3 million square feet of commercial property. They were looking to build, start building by 2017. So we looked at this as we've got 10 years to start looking at the future for this property and what can we do to expand the wastewater plant, expand the transfer station, and expand room for growth of our department. So in 2013, an RFQ is issued for a feasibility study to determine exactly what was going to be needed as far as a new solid waste transfer station and determine the size that we were going to need of a new facility to house the Public Works Department. It included building sizes, space utilization, and then the construction requirements along with potential sources of funding for this project. So during that course of time, it was determined that we would need to actually relocate public works in order to have the room to expand the wastewater treatment plant. So in 2014, the city purchased 79 acres off of Dale Street, which is actually considered part of Parktown Industrial Development Center. This was done, property closed in January of 2015, and knowing this was gonna be more property than that was actually gonna be needed for the project, it was determined we could potentially sell off some of this property and have more opportunity for industrial development. And then in 2015, the feasibility study was completed. And at that time, the public works alone complex was estimated to cost about $8.4 million. This did not include the transfer station. At that time, the feasibility study recognized the transfer station was not going to be financially sustainable with our community. So switching operations to go to direct hall to the landfill was the recommendation in that feasibility study. And that is the current practice today. Basically, the transfer station is no longer being used today. And then in 2016, we did an environmental assessment on the property, the 79 acres. That included wetland delineations, survey of protected and endangered species, and permit applications at St. John's River Water Management District and the Army Corps of Engineers to do formal wetland determinations on the site so we knew where we could build and how we could properly maintain those wetland areas. Then in 2015, we also had the sale of 15 acres of that property to Lyman College. Their operations were expanding and they determined they needed additional property so there was our opportunity to sell some of the property and also acquired on the right side of that red rectangle. You'll see that was the 15 acres that was sold to Lyman College. The rest of the property is being used as the pond is a reclaimed water storage pond, and the rest of the property is available for us to use for the Public Works Facility and to take in the allotment of those wetlands that are on the property. In 2020, a request for qualifications was issued to seek design consultants for this Public work facility. Shinkle Schultz Architects was ultimately selected and they executed a contract for design services which began in 2021. Design begins with extensive questionnaires of staff to determine the size needed currently and in the future over 30 year period. This design was a lot more extensive than the feasibility study and potential efforts for energy and sustainability efforts were done along with evaluating several modifications during the course of this project. And then after about an 18-month period, we had 90% design was completed. At that time, we asked for an estimate of construction costs from the architect, and the architect came back with a $30,832,000 estimate. Now, I do this was in 2021. As the construction costs continued to increase substantially, we asked Shengel Schultz to phase the project for our current needs and to get within the allotted budget that we had at the time. So there was additional effort that was required from Chancel's shalts to determine the building, where the building could basically be cut off and still remain within the building permit requirements. This was that working? Um. Okay. So the footprint for phase one is, yeah, go to the next one. I think we're missing a slide. Okay, that's okay. This is the architects drawing of the admin building in the shop areas for stormwater refuse and the street department. This is basically 25% of the overall building of the 100% design, so this would be just phase one. The fleet maintenance building is shown here. That would be built out at 100% design. And that would encompass the maintenance for all of the city vehicles, including city fire building department lease, all of them. And then sometimes it's working, sometimes it's not. And then the fuel facility for the public works facility and the entire city would also be moved out here. This is also 100% build out of the design. The next one? No. They're out of sequence for some reason. You go back a couple to the 2024. Yeah, there. So in that brought us up to this year. In 2024, an RFQ request for qualifications was issued for a professional construction management and general consulting contractor called a CMAR or construction manager at risk. And this method of contract services guarantees a certain price for the city for the completed project. And then in May, City Council awarded part A of the contract for the contractor to Wharton Smith for pre-construction phase services. Residles in this contract stated the city intends to move forward with the construction of phase one. And what that did is it required Warton Smith to review plans and specifications that were done by the architects, issue requests for proposals to qualified sources and receive and evaluate such technical proposals, perform value engineering of the project for potential savings. Identify, recommend for purchase and expedite the procurement of equipment supplies which require long lead times from the manufacturer. Review and analyze trade work coordination to minimize conflict or overlap of contractors, assemble complete bid data, prepare the invitation for bids, verify references and previous performance of potential bidders, and ensure procedures comply with city's purchasing policy. Typically, at a normal bid process, the city would be doing all of that work. And then they obtain the bids and evaluate for the qualifications and the bid amounts. And then the very most important thing is at the end of all that they provide the city with a guaranteed maximum price that they can build the project for. And that is part B of the contract which is before you tonight for consideration. So in June through the course of all of this, we asked for an update of the Architects estimate of 30 million plus for this project as it was a three-year-old estimate. At this point in time, three years later, the project estimate to do the entire project was $43,000,000,000. Phase one estimate of this project, which we're asking for tonight, the estimate was $28,519. Funding was placed in the approved budget for 2025 of $20 million. And this project team that is here tonight has done several value engineering scenarios to look further reducing the cost of the project. So in July, Wharton-Smith the bids as required in their contract. And then in September, they identified various value engineering and awarded the contract was anticipated at the October City Council meeting with a notice to be given to them by October 17th for a January construction start date. This would have also allowed the contractor to begin the purchasing of those long lead items and provide their subcontractors with a notice to proceed in January. So within that bid and what's before you tonight is a guaranteed maximum price of $22,791,918. So increases over the last 10 years that warrant this construction is the increase in the population. This department takes care of all citywide vehicles and including this does not include back hose, tractors, weed eaters, any small equipment. This is just strictly vehicles, the increase in vehicles over the past 10 years. The utility customers that are taking care of by this department and the solid waste customers. You may look at that and say, well, that's not a whole lot of customers in the past 10 years. 352 of those customers were last year. These things don't get built overnight. This is going to be a 16-month project just to make room to move these individuals into and then all the planning and construction and demolition of the existing facilities would need to occur to make room for the wastewater treatment plan expansion. The wastewater treatment plan currently is at 1.5 MGD usage. Its capacity right now is 2.75 MGD and at 75% capacity the state of Florida, Florida Department of Environmental Protection requires that the city begin planning and expansion procedures. That would equate to a little over 2 million gallons per day of usage. Without the moratorium you have 11,000 homes currently approved that could build, start building at any time. The city's current level of service is 204 gallons per day which equates to 2.244 MGD of additional capacity that's gonna be needed. That's gonna exceed the size of the plant right now. So the design must begin with another half a million gallons of sewage and simple math says, we got about 2,700 new customers come online and we're gonna have to start expanding, looking at expanding design of this treatment facility. And if that's not enough to consider, this was your public works facility after Hurricane Ian. This is what your employees came to come to work to help rescue other flooded residents in the city of Aguadro. Next slide. And this is the just looking north from that existing location. This is the parking lot where everybody parks their personal vehicles, vehicles that are complete with the fleet maintenance facilities such as that police car sitting in the middle. That's where they park when the service scene is complete and the fueling facility also is located at this particular location, which I might add had to be shut down for two days after Hurricane Ian. So we've outgrown this facility, and this is an opportunity for you all to be a part of something big for the future of the city of Aguadro. So with that, we have the entire team here, the civil engineer, the architects, and contractors with Wharton Smith are here to answer any questions that you may have. Thank you. Item 10, other business items. AST 24-06, request for approval of a major site plan for construction of a new public works facility for the City of Edgewater at 300 Dale Avenue Staff Reports. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The request before you is the approval of the major site plan, the construction of a public's works facility, the city of Ed water at 300 Dale Avenue. This city did review the project and it does meet all the code requirements. Staff is recommending approval. Major site plans as well as minor site plans are an administrative decision. Staff will be happy to answer any questions about the specifics of the site plan. Thank you. Citizens comments? Council comments. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Councillor Thompson. I'm sorry. Councillor Thompson. Councillor Thompson. Councillor Thompson. Councillor Thompson. Where is the sewer line from the former restaurant's project out there on 95 going to is that going to be going to the Dale Avenue project or to Mango tree. Please say your name and address for the record. Agnes Whitter 223 Flagler Avenue. Every shade the question will allow other citizens comments and it's the manager or whoever's over the project. It's just also sort of when they're besides they answer. Okay. Thank you. And one other thing, if the transfer station is no longer useful, can you give us back our retention pond down at that end so my street stops flooding because in 1992 when that end was built with the transfer station and the other maintenance buildings down there that's when my street started flooding. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for the comments and questions. It's appreciated. Great. Chuck Martin, two of five cherry woodland edge water. Suddenly, a facility is going to be right across the street from our sub division. So, we're going to have to have some questions answered here in just a moment. But where is their water going to go? I guess it's the biggest thing. I'm guessing it's going to go to I guess it's the biggest thing. I'm guessing it's going to go to LaGuardia Canal, which already has its own problems. And are they going to take care of the facility better than the one at the already got? Because the facility that we have now looks absolutely horrible if Code enforcement was to go down there and Somebody called it in they'd have all kind of violations got weeds growing this high The facility looks horrible a lot worse and one my brother worked there um I just I thought when Jeff took over that the place would at least get weeded it maybe washed the building make it look a little presentable because if I was the state coming in to give you guys money and I looked at the shape of our society in the canal out front it looks horrible I think everybody would agree at least get a weeded it maybe washed the But yeah, the water is a concern of mine where the water is going to go. And we definitely have to expand our facility over there. But this $20 million is this. The whole thing is this going to cover the demo. I'm mega tree drive and build all those and then is this it or you know is there more and what's this I hear about there was a delay or something was tabled and we're getting charged thousands of dollars if we don't do this tonight or what are we on the hook for it's something happened here and we haven't heard about, you know, and who's the administrators here, but my biggest concern is if we don't approve this tonight, how much money we're in the hook for, and I'd kind of like to hear that from our finance director. And if we're on the hook for some money that we don't know about. Why haven't we been told about it by our city attorney or Jeff Thurman or our finance director? Are we hiding something here? I mean, am I getting bad information here? What's going on? Thank you, sir, for your comment. getting bad information here? What's what's going on? Thank you, sir, for your comment. It's appreciated. Council comments. I think this is important for the city, important for our future infrastructure. And I really believe it needs to move forward. Every quarter that we push this back, it lose about $400,000 because it increased costs. That's the way I understand it. 2 to 3 percent. Back in 2015 it was going to be 8.4 million cost. Now for a full build out what we're not going to do, be 43 million. It's a huge difference. So I just think that we're almost to capacity. It's going to need to be done. So it was a great presentation Brenda. Answer a lot of questions. And I feel that it's an important decision that we need to make as a council and I feel that this is the next step we need to take. You know, this is for the residents. It's, you know, talking about infrastructure and being able to take care of the residents in times of crisis. You know, this is so important. It's something we can't overlook and we need to take a head on and begin the process in my opinion. Let me tell you all the story. How many living in Florida shores way back when you had a well in your backyard and your seventh and eighth in your front yard? Anybody? Okay. Anyway, I was in that era and I was a game-born, so I worked every holiday, I worked every Christmas, every Thanksgiving. So my parents would come over to celebrate, you know, with my children, and they would bring my grandmother, and my grandmother, and my father, to make a long story short, every time my toilet would back up, because of the volume. So when you're looking at all these new subdivisions that have already been approved, if we don't approve this, instead of having water in your houses, you're gonna have pooping your houses. I guarantee it, this're gonna have pooping your houses. I guarantee it. It's gonna back up. So, I mean, the cost to me is extreme, but if we don't do it, we're gonna be in big trouble. This from day one has met a project I've always had questions about. You know, we sit up here as a council and we've talked about the mistakes that we wish would have been made in the past to correct what we have going on, but I have to shoot myself from the foot here. This has been a project, passion of mine. You know, I understand that we have to plan for future growth and future development, and we are almost at capacity to waste, but we're at capacity in a new development. And I'm sorry, I just think that they should be at the hook for it. I don't think our current residents should pay for future development, but we have to plan for the future. That's the give or take here. Now guys, I'm going to tell you, I went to lunch with several developers who discussed potential land for different ways that this could have been at a different area for a lot less cost in a conversation with the last administration with nowhere. I have gone to several state representatives. The city of Deltona, we have the same lobbyist, received several state appropriations to expand their wastewater facility. I think that there is other funding opportunities for our current residents not to be on the hook. Now yes, we all talked about the mistakes that were made before my got on the council before Debbie got on the council myself, any council member, we need to plan for future development. But I have a question how much, it's already been answered, but just for the record, how much have we already spent for current tax dollars for this project? I agree with you, whole Harley, Mr. Mayor, but I and I don't think the residents should be, I think what we need to do is raise the impact these for these new residential towns. I agree. But you know, whatever it takes, because they need to pay for it, because you know, they're the ones that cause in it. I agree. I think that I just would like to get that answer just real quick. Sorry, I didn't mean to and do we have a rough estimate because you know we've gone through these utility prices, utility prices. Do we know how much our monthly utility bill goes to this public works facility? Because the mind is standing a monthly fee goes towards the new construction of this. That's why we started raising our utility bill back in around 2014-15 for any of us around the council forward this new public works facility as a prime example of why we had to So this this particular facility was not a part of the CIP plan and in the rate structure back in 2014 It actually came online. I believe it was in 2022 Was the first time that the public works facility was included in the CIP plan and at that point it was estimated cost of about eight million dollars. So a very minimal impact compared to a lot of other items that are included in the CIP plan for the various ratepayers at that point in time. In 2023, the estimated cost of the public works facility had gone up to, I believe it was, is that the 20 million jump in 20? Yeah, it was, yeah. So we would up to 20 million in 23 timeframe. So that's about when the rates would have included those cost estimates stretched over the time frame that it will take to pay. Roughly a 20 year was what was included in the calculation of those rates. I appreciate it. Thank you. I look forward to looking at our impact fees. I think we need to rely to pay for future development. You know, we're shooting ourselves, I'm shooting myself in the foot here because I finally believe that we shouldn't have to pay for it. Now if we were talking about a field bay, absolutely, but here's the other part of it as well. Edgewater had six million gallons of raw sewage in the streets here in Hurricane. That's the truth of it. We were walking into it. Sorry, that's the truth is before any of us were on the council. And the fact of the matter is we need to play in for the future, but you know, it's it is what it is. It's a hard sale. It's playing for the future, but development needs to pay for itself. The current taxpayers should not feel terminated is absolutely needed. No questions about it. It's been a lot of time environmental services. One of my happiest times is being in the mayor. Where Thomas actually recommended and said you got to do it is a ride along. I appreciate that advice coming in and it's the best thing you ever could have told me. You know one of the other things is this is administrative building with a gas terminal. You call it which one but right now it is close to our current city hall facility or planning to be out by 95. That's $20 million you know plus the fuel station. Why couldn't we just do the fuel station and have the administrative building go ahead and pay for half of the city station. Why can't we just do the fuel station and have the administrative bill and go ahead and pay for half of the city hall? I mean, it just understand its future funding and things like that. I just think that it could have been done differently in the past, but here we are. I think it's a beautiful project, but I think it's a terrible time. I just I can't. I mean, I've seen the presentation. I see all the reasons you guys are pushing for it and want it but right now I mean that's 20 million dollars and with all of our other infrastructure issues I would rather see it go to store-mortar and we're saying we're lacking equipment and we're lacking people but we want to spend 20 million dollars on a building and I just, that's concerning to me. I just, I feel like it shows our citizens that we have misplaced priorities because I do, I mean, I, we do have to eventually expand wastewater, but this is not to expand wastewater. This is to move admin and fleet so we can expand wastewater. I think that there's other options we could look into. I mean, you're talking about the money for City Hall and putting stuff out there. I mean, right now, if we just need to move the admin and building, can we move the admin team somewhere else so we can start that process and get that bulldozed? And, you know, we've got the property out by City Hall. Could we put some like a metal building out there? Could we look at other options, not just a $20 million building? If the main focus is to move admins, so we can expand wastewater, can we start moving some of this stuff without such a large expense? We have to think they're also, they're moving the fleet 100% design, and the fuel canopy 100% that wouldn't make sense to the fuel canopy alone. It's a big project and where we move it one place and then five years move it to another place. We have to also use common sense when we're deciding how we're going to do this. This has been 10 years in the making. The project's got a lot of planning behind it. If we used a temporary building for the time being, I mean, we could, I mean, they put portables at schools for kids. I mean, I did not try to stick all of our staff in there, but I'm just trying to think of other options of something that we could do moving forward. If this is such a need that we need to get rid of the administration building to expand wastewater, if that's the biggest concern, I just feel like there's other options that we could have looked into moving forward right now other than spending $20 million dollars when we've got plenty of other infrastructure issues. I just, and- You have to look phase one. It's only 25% of the build for the office air quotes part of it. So it's not, the large portion's not going for the, it's only going to be a 25% bill, just enough or what we need to house our growing employees in that area. It's not full, it's only 25%. The 100% is for the design of the fleet, which is so important and 100% of the fuel canopy which is so important. The fuel canopy is 100% meaning it's important. It's a thousand percent, but I just think that they're brother options for administration that could have got two birds and one so I said 10 years in the making and here we are now being handed this we weren't there in beginning to break these great suggestions break I have another question I mean we brought up the went he brought us sorry go ahead I mean we I mean, this was just as to when it came when it came up for the utility bill increase. I mean, it was not comfortable then with the utility and increased to pay for it. At that point in time, I mean, as the mayor said, there was issues of taxing our current residents for the future growth. And that was my concern two years ago. And that's still a concern. Yeah. Or whoever can answer the question, we just got a count of grant last week for the wastewater facility, the water proof. Correct. What would win with this start? Why would we use that resources if we're just gonna tear it down? Why would we, what's if we're just going to tear it down? Why would we re-procution of that grant? Is that going to look negative? It's an expansion, not a replacement. That grants for protection, not bulldoze and build back. I just wanted to clarify. And they're very, and I'm going to kind of talk about grants and where we can use money as well. There are very specific guidelines for grant awards for what you can and can't spend money for that grant. Awesome. Thank you. Mr. Rkey. My concern is I think yeah we're at 75%. We need to build. We need to get prepared for the future for our citizens. Yeah, impact fees need to go up. We need to recover it as we go I think. So I think moving forward I think the project is good my concern is The plant now you just showed pictures of flooding and everything that's going on there But yet we're gonna expand that whole build that whole area there So if we're gonna expand it for our wastewater Right, I mean that's what we're looking at doing taking public works out of there to expand that area for wastewater So we're gonna get rid of the fueling stations out there. We're going to get rid of the buildings out there to expand for the wastewater. Well, I know it's a project that someone else is going to deal with, but that project, when that comes into effect, look at a flooding we just had. All the people that are out there for the wastewater are just going to be flooded themselves for their cars. So how do we and are they in that fee? Is it getting rid of any of the stuff that's at the mango tree location? Or is it just for the plant there? And then we'll figure out the disposal of the gas over there and everything like that. That would probably be free. You're right. is a demolishing part of that fee of what we're paying for this. So we're demolishing everything and that's part of the money we're paying. No. Can I chime in? So I think Ryan is going to speak to part A which is the site plan and then part B as far as the C-MAR construction manager and the cost associated, the cost that's before you this evening is just for the new, not for demolition. Okay. Oh, I'll say that. I'm not trying to sound as much as I thought. I think it occurred to be different. You see that all throughout the time. May 19th. I think that the codes would be different. They say that all throughout time. May 1950. So it'll be in a different elevation. Yeah. But the one thing I'll say is, just in the morning, we tried to cut out what we're considering right now. And I think this is a very good strategy. We're trying to figure out how to use it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Is there a motion to approve on that? Make a motion to approve item 10A SP 2406. Is there a second? Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePue. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Okay. Item. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Adam 10b guaranteed maximum price GMP for Instructing phase one of the new public works facility staff report Thank you. Okay. The guaranteed maximum price. This is the contract. As I explained, this is part B of the contract with Wharton Smith, the contractor who would actually construct the project. And they're giving us a guaranteed maximum price that they will build this for. In other words, there would be no change orders. If their contract comes in less, it's basically an open book. If the contract comes in less, the city recoups those savings so they're guaranteeing this price at was it 22 million Let me get it exact for you 22 million seven ninety one ninety-one Nineteen Yes, thank you. So they're guaranteeing that price, if they should go over that price, then the contractor eats it. So they're contracting place right now for $22,791,918. We've recognized approximately $2.4 million worth of value engineering that could be a potential savings on this project. I will mention over a million dollars of that is an agreement that we currently have with the city of Port Orange to acquire dirt. They're doing another project similar to this with the construction date to start in February. they have dirt to get rid of that they were going to have to pay to get rid of it. We made a agreement with them. We would pay trucking costs only to acquire that dirt and that came into the tune of about a million dollars. So if this project stays on track to coincide with their project, then we will definitely recoup that amount of money from not having to purchase that dirt for fill. Thank you, citizens comments. Chuck Martin, two of five cherry woodlayed-nedge water. I'll ask the question again. Where's the water retention and where's the water going to go? Nobody answered that. I'm going to go to the water retention. Where's the overflow going to go? Go to the boardy canal. That's why I was told. I'm addressed to council and then if you don't have any other public comment we'll finish out our public comment sector or you can choose to answer the question. Good evening my name is John Dillard. I'm the site civil engineer for the project was the Coenem Associates out of Ormond Beach. The Germans correct the whole facility drains to the east. There's a well in that we discharge into which drains north into the canal and goes out pretty much between New Sumerna and Edge border city limits. So all of the all of the runoff from this project goes east and the north to Tenth Street and out to the river. Thank you, sir. We also are providing a pass through covert, which will take any water that builds up on the west side of the project around a key drive in that area there and be able to transfer that over to the well and sort of further get out. So we'll be trapped there. Do you have a question? Do you have asked the men and have you done a study of how much the wetland could hold before it gets to the canal? It, um, we've got it in the drainage calculations. It holds quite a bit. It's a pretty good size of wetland and it'll stage up about three feet before it goes north. So it holds quite a bit of water. Councillor Comet. No, I just want to reiterate that I'm for this project. We need to get moving on it. It's important for our residents. It's important for our future infrastructure. And in good faith, I feel that we were doing our residents current and future to service if we were to put a hold on this again. And plus the fact that we lose $400,000, every quarter that we decide to put a pause on it. And that I feel like that is if we go if we're talking about how the costs go up for the current building. I mean if we were to be building differently and bring the cost down, I don't think we would be losing the four hundred thousand. I mean because that is just if we built it the same way and we put it off in the crisis go up. But if we were to do a whole new building that would be months and planning. I will say that that would probably cause new civil engineering costs. I agree. I think I've already stated my case. My opinion. The project is done differently. I just think it's also I mean if it's this floor I just I feel like it's a slap in the face to a lot of the residents who flooded that we're going to spend this money on that right now when it could go other places and I'm just not comfortable with it. Do we have any grants for this at all? Did we get any grants for this or is there no way to get grants for this financial? So they looked at various, you know, if there was any grant opportunities, typically public works facilities, there aren't many grant opportunities out there for those construction costs. It's typically seen that you would finance such a project. Excuse me, such a project. Do you know if there would be grants towards the water management facility? You know anything offhand? Off the top of my head I can't speak to that. We will be pursuing that. Yeah, because I mean if we're gonna Recover it and grants from the water facility that would be great Definitely pursuing that okay, so it's a possibility Okay, excuse me. Sean or only Jeff. Do you know about Tinas HMGP grant? She's trying to wrap her hands around? Oh my no. Okay, I believe there's one in the works that they're trying to get their hands on for the planned expansion, but I don't know enough to speak about it, but I believe there is something that Tine in our office is working on. I know we have staff working towards that. Every opportunity we can. There's a chance for $1. Say appropriations and not only that it was led to a dent in last year because I never got an update but they're in talk. Please don't quote but there is state funding from the Florida commerce. It was looked into but we missed the opportunity last year. And it was something that I was very passionate about getting started potentially, at least slow down the cost. And it is what that is. But there is, there is opportunity. Great. Yes. That's a good thing. Now this project is, I'm sorry, is being funded by six different budgets. So the 20 million ish that we will be spending on this. It's not as if we could take that 20 million and put it towards infrastructure. Correct. So that is absolutely correct. So the 20 million would be financed. It's similar to getting a mortgage. So you from water sewer, solid waste, storm water, and then the general funds portion has already been set aside from the ARPA Economic Impact Fund. I just want to clarify that way, residents are thinking, oh, we can take that 20 million and put it towards our canals. That's not the case and we can't do that. So I just want to make that clear. That's what we're going to borrow. We can't do that. So I just want to make that clear. That's what we're going to bore you. I can't. It's coming from the different budgets, but some of it could go to machines for storm water. Some of it could go to more equipment for sewer. Some of it could go to employee wages. I mean, it could go to so many different places other than a building, even if we split it up into the six pots it's coming from. Those funds could still be applied to other places. But we would be still being the same predicament with not having this project move forward. And then again it will cost us more money a year or two years, three years down the road. And then we will be at capacity. And then we're not going to be held accountable for this state that comes to check on see where we're at. I'm not sure how that works, but we are obligated to start at 75% planning this. And if we don't continue with it now, in the next year, if we are at capacity, then up, okay, here we go. Now we have to do it. We spend all of our money as all gone now doing other things. And now we have to figure out where is the money going to come from. So I also want to take that into consideration. Mr. Wokey, to clarify just for the record, I have not heard of any grant opportunities. It was state funding potential. I've not heard of any grant organizations. It's not my department, just a state House talk that they could have went through. Thank you. Thank you. The State's room? Absolutely. I just wanted to clarify, so the rest of the stuff, thanks, it was a great opportunity that we missed out on. Okay, is there a motion to approve? I make a motion to approve the guaranteed maximum price for construction phase one of new public sports facility. Dr. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor J. Pugh. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Okay. I'm going to pass the Yeah, I will early the hand. I would suggest that somebody would make a motion at this time. At 1024 to table all items for meeting on the city council agenda excluding item 8c and item 8d for a meeting to be. Can I just chime in real quickly? I would hesitate tabling the financing related to the public works complex that was just approved. Didn't see that. That would be the consent agenda. So there was a couple of items. There was the consent agenda item for the design assistance. 70. 70. And then also there were two resolutions related to financing, which was. I don't see that. I'm sorry, it's a little shoveled. So item 8T and item. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Okay. For R31. Oh, item 8J. And then one other item that I would respectfully request that we do here. We do have the two budget amendments. One is for project and open purchase orders from prior year to roll forward. If you table that, we just continue until the following meeting. But there was a correction to the final budget amendment that was heard at the prior meeting. If you could also entertain. You guys want to just continue with a routine meeting at this time. How many more items do we have on there? Because Jones this camp has been tabled. The only item I would suggest to be tabled would be Mr. Little Corps property which is I believe item eight. 13 items excluding the ones that we're just discussed. If he's H and I, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I can't make a motion. There is no vice here. I mean, our feed runs out at 11 o'clock. So, do we want to push a half hour until it actually goes offline because we don't have a four hour I think the last time our meeting went over four hours and that's why the video feed went out. Well that shouldn't happen again. I'm recording it on the software company but okay I mean I'm going through that again I recommend Mr. Wilkie's action. That we go to 11 o'clock. 11 o'clock. I mean, mine is what called it a late night. There's some people that have been here that have been waiting. So if we can get through it great, we try to see what we can get through. But I'd hate for them to sit here for four hours and then have to just come right back. Do we want to make a motion to table G H and I? I'm not back so it doesn't make a difference but you know still. Somebody's gonna have to give me a five minute break and we can be 10, 35. On Monday, December 2nd, roll call back again at 10, 36. Okay, we're just going to keep going. We're just going to get it all done. Okay, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda item for 7D construction administration and observance services for phase one of the new public works facility? Make a motion to approve construction administration and observation services for phase one of the new public works facility. Second. Roll call. Who is the second? Mr. Thomas. Thank you. Councilman Thomas. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor Depu. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Okay, was item 8A table And item 8b was as well for the record no Okay item 8b second reading or December 2024 dash O dash 44 requests for a rezoning from B3 highway commercial to city Bpud business plan unit development for 3.679 acres located at 2360 south Ridgewood Avenue. Please read into the record. Ornith, summer 2024, that showed that 44 in Ornith, screening the change in zoning classification from B3 highway commercial to BPUD. This is plan unit development for 3.68 plus a minus acres of several property generally located at 2360 South Ridgewood Avenue. Parts of ID numbers 8402 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 edge water for the men in the officials only now for the city of edge water provided for the provision separately and fully provided for effective day recorded in adoption. South for war. This is a second reading. The only change that has occurred between the first and second reading is that the units on the front four units have been allowed to convert instead of contractor flex space on the frontage on US one to retail. And so those first four units, fronting US one will be general retail. So this is redeveloped for the record? No, this is a new site in front of Majestic Oaks. This is a business PUD, so it's going from highway commercial to business PUD. And it has general retail on the front and contractor flex space for businesses. So for a mechanic for land scapers, that's the intent of this business PUD is to offer more contractor flex space in the city. Oh, got it, I got it, it's going there. Okay, staff report. I'm sorry, open the public hearing. applicant presentation, not present citizens comments. Chuck Martin two or five cherry woodland edge water Which was excuse me I stepped out for a moment. Which one is this? This is on a eight be a public hearing ordinances and resolution the Parswells in front of majestic oaks it is to be Reson from B3 highway commercial to city, BPUD, business plan unit development, Ryan stated it is for landscaping, more of a buffer along to be of a can. Is this going to be connected to the property back there that they want to develop off a carolian? No sir, no we're near that area. Tell you different. I'm going to go to the next floor. I'm going to go to the next floor. Uh, property back there that they want to develop off a carol. No, sir. No, we're near that area. Different from the front of a Jessica. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your comment. Hey, council comments. Those of public hearing is their motion to approve. I can motion to approve second reading ordinance number two zero to four-o-44. Okay. Roll call. Councilwoman Davo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Item eight, please. Councilman Thomas. Sorry. All right. Keep going. What was your vote? I'm sorry. Yes. Thank you. Item eight, please. Thank you. Item 8c, second reading, ordinance number 2024-0-45, request for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment from commercial to low density residential for three parcels located on the south side of Palm Breeze, drive east of US 1 please reading to the record. On December 2024-0-45, in order to send the city of water and amenity comprehensive plan is amended by a official land use map from commercial to low density residential for .72 plus a minus acres is a real property generally located at Palm Breeze Drive. Partial ID numbers 8402-0000-02628402-000002 gets one and 8402-000000254.121 and 8402-0200-0254. That's what a Florida Provide for Public hearings punishments that consistently provide for complete supervision, severability and accountability and provided ineffective date. Staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a second reading. I'll just be very brief. This is conversion from changing the future land use from commercial to low density residential, Humbury Strive is a residential neighborhood, residential cul-de-sac off of US one. These are plated lots. These three lots totaling 0.72 acres have been vacant since the subdivision was plated. The gentleman is requesting to change it to be more compatible because on 0.72 acres it really isn't feasible with our new storm water standard to really develop the site. Thank you sir, citizens comments? Council comments. One thing you just said not compete, no you're fine. Not competeable for storm water plans for point zero seven acres of commercial land recommends residential just for the record stormwater issue Okay, is there a motion to approve? I got a question. I was there any flooding in that area during the workings Right and so this to staff's knowledge back there on Rankin. There was not any. Okay. Okay. Make a motion to approve the second reading ordinance number two zero two four dash four dash forty five. Roking. Roke call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePueh. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. A D second reading. Ordus, 2020, 4-0-46 requests for rezoning from B3 highway commercial to R3 residential for three parcels. Locate on the south side of Palm Breeze Drive, east of US 1, please. Read it to the record. On December, 2024, I showed us 46 and on the 20th of the change in zoning classification from B3 Highway, commercial to R3 residential for 0.72 plus a minus acre is a zero property. You're only located at Palm Breeze Drive, parcel ID numbers 8402-0000-2628-4200-0200-0261 and 8402-00000002, 5404, Edgewater, Fortamany, Edgewater, City of Edgewater, right for a completely provision several building and a facility, right before an effective day recording and adoption. Staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The request before you is to change the zoning from B3 highway commercial to R3 residential. The three lots that are plated off of Palm Drees Drive fit that zoning designation. And this is the compatible zoning district to the immediate area within Palm Beach Drive. Thank you, sir. Citizens comments. Council comments. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve the second reading. Ordinance number 2024-0-46. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Davo? Yes. Councilman Wilkie? Yes. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis? Yes. Councilman Thomas? Yes. Okay. Was 8E tabled? E and F. OK, item 8E and item 8F was tabled. OK, that leaves 8G. First reading, ordinance number 2024-0-49. Note, I would like to make the recommendation to also table GH and I at this time. I would. Can to make a motion to table items. G H and I. Is there a second? Okay, the motion fails. Item 8G first reading ordinance number 2024-49 request for annexation into the city of edgewater for 2.72 acres up property located at 267 Carol and Drive, reading to the record. One is number 2024-49 and on is annexing 2.72 plus some minus acres is a certain real property located at 2567 Carol A and dry parcel ID number 743208000110 Lucia County to the city of edgewater for the search the jurisdiction obligations benefits and privileges of the municipality many description of the city of edgewater corporate limits provided for filing with the corporate District of Incorporate, which county property appraisers and the Department of State of mind for Improvision separately and a private the PICABODE, provide for an effective date recording and adoption. Staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a property being requested to be annexed to the city of Edgewater, it's 2.72 acres, and it's within unincorporated Luchia County at 267 Carol Ann Drive. The property is located within the Interlocal Service Boundary Agreement within the Volusia County and Utility Service Area for the City of Edgewater. Staff is recommending approval for the annexation of 2.72 acres into the City of Edgewater. Thank you, sir. Open to public hearing, applicant presentation. Business comments. Jeff Brock, 444, Seabreys Boulevard, Sweet 900. They told a beach floor to representing the applicant here to answer any questions you might have. As you recall, we were at the last council where we made our presentation and during deliberations it was tabled so we were expecting that we would have resumed deliberations at this point. Thank you. we were expecting that we would have resumed deliberations at this point. This is comments. Chuck Martin, two or five cherry woodland edge water. Yeah, I um, live in a subdivision right there behind it. And um, we all know what this is about. We know what the bigger plan is. They want to develop that and build on top of an old hazardous toxic waste dump. Now many years ago, all kinds of stuff was dumped back there. If the city annexes anything in back there, they're gonna have to provide water and sewer. And when you go to digging back there, you don't to have to provide water and sewer and when you go to digging back there you don't know what you're going to find. So I would annex nothing in back there. Leave it the way it is and if they can do what they can do within their guidelines with the county then so be it but the last thing you want to do is go back to a property that was a toxic waste dump site. And it's not just that one spot where they dug the barrels up. That whole place has been not taken care of for a good many years. And you see how that area flooded and it's just right across the street from what the public works which did what it flooded. Remember the pictures that Brenda showed us? That's just a hop-skipping a jump from there and. Yeah, and exit into the city and then they build what they want and that's more water right there. And I think if the city annexed that enemy won't help a liability, like I said, it is what it is now, whatever it's zone for. I mean, if that's within his rights, that's within his rights or whoever's going to build or whatever they want to do back there. But it's not going to help us out in the wildwood subdivision but if he does what he does within the county guidelines then that's on them but if you have an extent something and we're going to do a problem back there I think we're on the hook for that. Thank you sir for your car. Tim Miller, 274, carolan. I live just west of this property in Carolina. And we live there because it's a rural area. The current zoning only allows for one dwelling on a property such as that including our own And to my knowledge the city doesn't have a comparable zoning for For one dwelling on property like this so in order to keep carol am rural. I would not annex this property in Also has misdwee's showed Public's work gets flooded mango gets flooded, mango gets flooded, twelfth street gets flooded, wild road gets flooded, carolian gets flooded, so to add six or seven feet of fill across this property would not be very good. It would cause carolian to be extremely flooded versus what it is now. The mobile home that was there before during Ian, it, I have a picture of it and water was up to the windows. And it obviously wasn't on the ground. It was, it was stood up a good two, three feet. But I think it'd be a mistake to it. Annex is probably, thank you. Good to see you again. Thank you. Council comments. Being this area is known for flooding. While wood is known for flooding, county properties right there, public works is right across the street. Bond and region is right down here. And you know the flooding they they had I cannot see it. So that's my finish. It's a long time. But if we don't annex it in it'll still be county and they can still do with the rest of the property as you choose so what's going to stop it and they're actually at this time there's no stormwater management on Carolina and there's like there's no stormwater management on Carolina. There's like, there's nothing there. So potentially this this this potential project could actually enhance stormwater that is as not there at this time. It could be an asset possibly to the to the residents in that area. You're going from not having anything and and it's floods for years and years to having something that will help control storm water. I don't see it as a horrible thing. What's the plan for? There's two different plans to best in my knowledge. The one plan would be a trailer park, which is already zoned for a mobile home park. Yeah, a rural removal home park. So that would be one option. The other option would be town homes and on the area that is contaminated, they weren't going to dig it up or do anything to the property. Even though the environmental inspections came out that it was clean, he still doesn't feel confident in putting anything that anyone's living. So if it was to be at townhomes, that section there would be covered with gravel, some sort of impervious surface that the water could flow through. And that would be for storage of different storage boats or trailers and things like that. So there would be no one living in that area, but that would cause the developer to put in a stormwater system that could help the whole area. There's nothing there now so there's nothing there. Ryan, I have a question. If we annex this in the 2.72 acres, right now for county, they're only allowed to put one dwelling. How many dwellings of manufactured homes are they allowed to put on the 2.72 acres and with the roads and everything, how much fill would be coming in for the mobile home development instead of the town homes. If we, in other words, if we annexed in how many more properties manufactured homes can he put on there and how much bill would come in for the roads. Let me take a set back so if we annex the property then the proceeding items hni is for plant amendment and of re-zoning to the MUPUD. Right now in the county, it's one unit for 2.5 acres, the size of that site. So you'd be allowed in the county right now to have one mobile home manufactured home. If it came into the city and you did not approve the PUD or the comp plan change, then it would retain, it would still, you would still get tax revenue, but it would retain county zoning, which has been the holdover of the past, which has created a lot of issues for the city. As far as fill on this site, I don't, I couldn't speak to how much fill this development would require. I don't have any engineered plans, I don't know how much fill this development would require. I don't have any engineered plans. I don't know how much they're going to bring in. On the property he owns, he's going to build manufactured homes. If we don't allow the town homes is what correct. So, um, because of the property, but what I'm saying is on that parcel that we annex in is the city of edge water still like if we annex it into the city is he only still going to be able to put one manufactured home. If you don't change if you don't change the future land use in the zoning correct. He would only be allowed what is allowed. What a lot. Yeah. Yeah, so you would essentially be getting the tax revenue, which is why I present annexations that way because the other items are kind of those nuances. So if you annex it and then you approve it, then you're getting the product that the applicant has requested. If you were to annex this and then you don't approve the comprehensive plan or the PUD and would retain county zoning Irregardless than the city would get the tax revenue Regarding the entire development It is it's a mixed-use project. It's 121 mobile homes I'm kind of skipping ahead to H&I, but it's 121 mobile homes, outdoor storage over the area that Mstolbo was speaking to town homes. Sorry. 121 town homes, outdoor storage in the area, city staff did include the report from TEP, the environmental site assessment. That was done on the remainder of the site. And then the one thing that staff wanted to say is that it does have Royal Oak's development agreement, so it does have an approved development agreement. It's actually a mobile home PUD, it's kind of weird. And it's got a development order. So the APKIN is entitled to put those mobile homes back on and operate the mobile home park. You know how many mobile homes you can put on that? Probably. Let me get to that staff. 140 something? Yeah. It is. Yeah, it looks like there's 146, 146. I believe this is what is entitled. So he's entitled to build 146 manufactured homes or for you to- Against the density, but the DO for the development plan doesn't have nearly that much. So if he wanted to increase density, he would have to, that's based on the future land use, but the development order are larger lots, but it's still quite a number of mobile homes. So I'd have to go grab from the agenda what exactly was the specific number. But that's based on the future land use. So Mike, for the GH and I type thing, I agree with you on the flooding and wildwood subdivision on town homes, but he does have if the town homes don't go through, he is going to build manufactured homes there is what he's going to do, which is fine. My thing is with G, if we did approve the 2.72 acres, one of the ideas I had is if we do approve it, he's just going to turn that part into the manufactured home place to and we'll pick up taxes. Or if we don't approve it, possibly the city could buy it to use it as a retention area to build a stormwater right there for a wildwood and everything going that as a future thing possible because we could probably get it from buddy for a good price if he's not going to annex it in he's not going to be able to do anything with it. It's just an idea of something thoughts I don't know what your guys thoughts are. Anybody? Just a bunch of what is. Yeah, and just because it's not an index, then he still will be able to do something with it. He's going to be able to do something with it. Yeah. Okay. Seeing their further comments, is there a motion to prove? I would like to move that we deny motion 2024-09 request for annexation into the city 2.2, 72 acres. Properly look at it at 2.6, 7.Kareland Drive. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. No. Councilman Wilkie. No. Mayor DePue. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Yes. So annexation is denied. Motion passes. I'm going to ask the councilman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. So annexation is denied. Right. So A should I are dependent on the annexation of G. Council should not hear A should I. Resolution number 2024 dash R dash 31. 8J reimbursement resolution. Please read into the record. Resolution number 2024-R-31, the resolution of the city of Edgelwater, Florida declaring its intention to reimburse itself for certain expenditures from proceeds of bonds providing for conflicting provisions, severability and applicability providing for an effective date. After court. Good evening, Mayor and Council. The resolution before you was at a prior meeting, basically what this does is allows reimbursement back to this city for any cost that have already been incurred up to 60-day look back for public works complex and then until such a time as the final closing on the financing and getting those costs. Thank you. As in the public hearings, this is comments. Council comments. Those are public hearing. Is there any motions with you? Make a motion approved to zero to four dash or a dash 31. Okay. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo? Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePueh. No. Councilwoman Gillis. No. Councilman Thomas. I'm sorry would you remind me of the very, very good way. eight J resolution number twenty twenty four R thirty one the investment resolution miss double yes miss the wiki yes no me and this yellow this is to get our money back which is what we want yes that your vote yeah thank you money back. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Item 8K. First reading ordinance summer 2024-year desk 31 requests for resounding of 75.716 acres from Volusia County, resource corridor to the city of Edgwater Conservation for property located south of State Road for 42 in the east of old mission road. Reign to the wreck. Board of Summer 2024 that showed us 31 and one is renting a change in zoning classification from county resource quarter to city conservation for 75. 716 plus a minus acres of certain property generally located east of interstate 95 south of State Road 442 partial ID number 8438030000701 water. For the remaining officials only after the city of Edgwater. Providing for conflicting provisions, severability and a probability of providing for an effective day recorded in adoptive. Staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is essentially a like to like rezoning going from county resource corridor to city of Edgwater conservation. All conservation. All conservation. Building. Okay. This is comments. Council comments. We're the applicants. Okay. So essentially we're here on the next four items. They're all kind of interrelated. Okay. So. four items are all kind of interrelated. Okay. So your name and address for the record. Conrad Con, 230, on Australia, along with Florida. I know we're all very tired so I'll try to keep it short. My name is Conrad Con. This is my father, Jerry Con, we're a father and son business. My dad lives here in Edgewater. We own property on US one. We're not institutional developers. We're just a father and son company. We're very small. We're here. We're offering to donate about over 100 acres of land around 442. And obviously we think that'd be really good for the city. We care deeply about the city. My dad moved here because he loved this city so much after we bought property here. He fell in love with it. So I hope to move my family here. We want for 482 to remain pristine, we want to donate to the city, we think it would help with flooding, and not only would it help with flooding, but there's an immense benefit to this donation too, which is that this land's contiguous to the massive purchase that was just acquired through the Bhatusha Forever program. Acquiring this land would reduce every citizen's flood insurance by 10%. That's a big deal in these times. It also would give the city an extension to Mission Road, which it will one day want to develop and extend to have another thoroughfare through the city. We are seeking to develop a very small portion of one of these parcels that's essentially all upland. We have no desire to develop wetland. We don't want to develop wetland. Developing wetland is financially impractical. For anyone who knows about developing wetland, it costs a lot of money. You got to go through mitigation plans to get credits. We have no desire to do that. We want to develop a small upland portion. And hopefully I think it would be a benefit to the city, not only will it reduce taxes, not only will it provide conservation for future generations. So you'll bring new jobs, increased tax revenues we heard earlier through having more commercial real estate, and it'll bring something beautiful to the area. So I think it's a win-win for everybody involved and I think it's the best deal. I think my dad wanted to say a couple of things if that's all right. here is what we want to rezone this little piece here here is upland that we're not the boat. Okay. Thank you. It's hard for me to understand from a basic point of view if I'm giving the city the land. It's hard for me to understand if I want to give this land to the city, which is a nice piece of land on 442 as you drive in as proceed, the city will control this land forever. Now I understand that some of you are like upset that we want wanna keep 12 acres to develop out of the hundred and change. This is part of the next three items on the four. It all goes together. So forgive me if I'm asking for something. But from the city's point of view, why wouldn't you to control this land? From forever From the city's point of view why wouldn't you want a lower taxes now? You may not because we want to have something we're zone 12 acres out of it and that's fine But I don't think it's smart for the city. That's just me. Okay. This is a nice piece of land. This is going to increase everybody's property value in this city to keep that pristine. You'll never have to worry and it's contiguous to Florida shores. You could dump all the water you want on there. the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to floor to the floor to the floor to So this applicant came before to Council and stated that he could solve the city's flooding problems with this request for annexation. This will not solve the flooding issues in Florida, Georgia. Maintaining the environmental resources, natural topography will, however, sustain the hydrological flow in the area. He failed to mention earlier, you know, with this whole comp plan and zoning, about the 14 acres, it's 14 acres, I believe, and it's not all uplands. It's trading off wetlands for uplands in other areas. So again, I just know it doesn't sound right to say, I'll give you this, but you've given me that. It's just not how things should be done. And wetland mitigation, as we know, is about $300,000 a half acre from what I've heard Mr. Salsus say. So it is a great offer. It's a generous offer. It is good. I'm not saying it's not any of it. It's in the wrong spot for 14 acres. That whole area, that flow in there, we're getting water from the west, we get water from the east, Oak Trail, which is the road I live off of, at the end of that, that's where all that water comes goes through and it goes south. Okay, it's not a good any development in that area is not good for residents on either side of the street of State Room 442. And 442 doesn't need development there. We need water flowing. We need all that fixed. And we need to maintain the hydrological flow of that area. So thank you very much. Thank you, sir, for your comments. Truly appreciate it. I have a, say, but, no, are you going to count the comments? I was. No further citizens comments? Council comments. I have a question for Ryan. Let's say we deny this and it stays in the county. What would he be allowed to do on the county regulations? So it's, so there are questions before us is the rezoning. This one in particular K is a rezoning from resource corridor to city conservation. So there are properties already in the city. They just have county zoning and future land use. So the idea here are sorry, they have city future land use, they have county zoning. So the request before you right now is to do a like to like. In resource corridor, I believe it's one to 25 acres, one unit for 25 acres, and Valucia County. So there's not a whole lot, you know, potentially. Like it built three houses. Potentially, potentially. It's resource corridor is basically Volusia County's kind of conservation zoning district. So it has a lot of restrictions on it because it essentially is sensitive wildlife and habitat. Thank you, sir. It's in the middle of the hammock and it's wet, wet, wet and that's where the drainage goes. So this is just to move it to conservation land that will not be voted on, right? And we can still move to the next item, this for clarification. Or does it all go that as we want? No, I think no. Each of these items should be heard standalone as they are. So the request before you is to rezone this from county resource corridor to city conservation zone. It will not be built on. Correct. Correct. And it could be built on in the county. In the county. Okay. Okay, so only three houses there. But if we annex it into the city. No, Rezo. Rezo. If we rezo. But I think it's a package deal. They're going to find sorry, I don't mean that. No, he said we can move on to the next agenda. OK. OK. Yeah, I mean really the items need to be heard as standalone basis on whether or not the council thinks each decision is appropriate. Is there a motion to approve? Well Charlotte I think I have a question. So if it was reason to the age order conservation would that have less buildable opportunity on that one. Yeah, to my knowledge, I mean essentially conservation at the city is it's conservation. So that they would be able to build nothing? Oh, right. Yeah, versus, we leave it county they could build three. Technically in resource quarter, yeah, you can, you can finagle a couple lots out of the 75 acres. Thank you. a couple of lots out of the 75 acres. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve first reading, ordinance number 2024-0-31. It's like for like. Is there a second? Can I ask a question before this? Sure. Just, I don't know about the water flow too much. Let's say we took the property, okay, and we gave them the 14 acres. Can we build lakes on this property to help without water? As a city, can we use it as like, I mean, it's wetlands. So what did help, I don't know anything about the water stuff. So I wish the one lady knew about flooding was still here. Would it help us if we as a city took that extra acreage of land and built a big lake there to help with the water? Or is it not going to affect the object? So you could, well, I'm asking about what we think. I mean, so you wouldn't dig a lake. I mean, what you'd be doing is creating basically what we call compensating storage. You'd be digging out dirt to allow for more water attenuation. However, it's for the most part, most of the property is a swamp already. So I think you'd probably, I mean it would require very specialized individuals to go in there and to do that. I think the property as is probably has more ecosystem benefits and water retention benefits without trying to engineer the wetland when it's already a wetland. If we do like something, I don't think we'd benefit because the water table is already there. Yeah, so I figured you'd know more about it. The water table is already there. And if you dig away, it's not going to go down. Sorry. Is there a motion to approve? We have a motion. Is there a motion to prove? We have a motion. Is there a second? I'll repeat. Is there a second? I will repeat once again. Is there a second? Motion dies. Can we move on to the next? Yes. Item 8. Ah, first reading. Ornus 2024 ordinance 2024 dash year, dash 52 request for small scale comprehensive plan amendment to change the future land use map from conservation to commercial state road for 42 and west of all mission. Right, please read to the right. Born in summer 2024 dash, I would ask 52 in order to the city of Edgewater and many of the comprehensive plan is amended by men in the official future land use map from conservation and commercial with conservation Overlight for 14.128 plus and minus acres of certain real property generally locatities of Interstate 95 south of state word 42 legal description included in exhibit a Edgelwater Florida provided for public hearings Finance and so you provided for complete provision severability and Provide it for the day Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The request before you is a small scale conference of plan amendment to change the future land use map from conservation to commercial with conservation overlay for 14.128 acres of property. Generally located south of state road 442 in west of old mission road. The applicant has requested this comprehensive plan amendment. They have sought to develop 6.802 acres of uplands the applicant has requested this comprehensive plan amendment. They have sought to develop 6.802 acres of uplands out of the 14.128 acres of wetlands or across the entire, excuse me, 14.12 acres of total property of that 6.802 acres are uplands. The remainder are wetlands. City staff did review with regards to the comprehensive plan and public facilities and found that city could serve the subject site since it is within our municipal service area with utilities along four forty two. area with utilities along 442. Staff would just ask that the council consider the item based upon what is being requested so to change from conservation to commercial. Thank you sir. This is comments. Chuck Martin, two of five chair woodland. Into water. I believe is that the land that's kind of cleared out, it's got a big fence in front of it with some palm trees? Because right there, the reason I'm asking is, if you're going south on Mission Road and you're running to 442 to the right, you go right a little bit and then back to the left on the same side as our city property. You'll see a big piece that's cleared out there that's fenced off real nice. That's OK. Because that's all filled in with concrete and building debris and stuff. I remember when they filled that in and if that was a piece. I had no power. I had this wither 223 Flagler Avenue. According to the information you have on your website that I read, the wetlands water table is listed as 10 inches below the surface area and the uplands are 10 inches to 40 inches below the surface area. So how can you build anything with that much water underneath it? Thank you. Thank you, ma'am, for your comment. It's appreciated. Good evening. I am Gina Holte. I live at 1798. Hideaway Lane. That picture that you're looking at is a picture of the hunting camp lease on the applicant's property on the south side of 442, which is approximately where the property of 14 acres we're talking about. This picture was taken two days after Hurricane Milton. As you can see, there's a lot of water here. Mr. Conwood, have you believe that he can fill and build on the uplands and not affect the hammock? Property at the ditch line is 44 inches below the grade of the bike trail, which is somewhere around one to two feet below the grade of the road. So we're looking at 60 inches below the level of the road. Just, and I'm going to let you imagine what would it take to develop that property, how much fill. It's low, it's wet, and it's so conservation. And conservation doesn't, was never intended to be commercial property. It should not be commercial property. Now, Mr. Cohn is a licensed Florida real estate broker. He knows that the property he purchased is low and wet. Mr. Cahn doesn't have a plan for what he wants to build because he's a broker. He's not a builder. He's just asking you to re-zone it. The value of that property will increase substantially the mom and two re-zone it. And then the four sales sign will go up. Remember, he is a broker. Turnbull Hammock is a flooded forest. I've stood before you since June and has had the same conservation over and over. This is an improper and impossible place to build. We live directly north of this proposed zoning change. And we deal with water on a regular basis. We are already seeing higher levels of water in the hammock over the past few years. Our property is not drying out like it used to. The water has no place to go and to allow 14 acres of a commercial property in the middle of that swamp is just going to exacerbate that water problem. So until the stormwater issues have been addressed in the southeast part of the county, I don't think that it's a very good idea to approve any sort of development, but just remember, conservation land, we're gonna turn it into commercial. I think that you'll just voted for a building moratorium to avoid that very thing throughout your city. I'm urging you to vote no on this. Thank you, Barry. Thank you, Mayor for your comment, that's a pretty shit. The applicant, I know, says in comments, puts a new item, so I can say something again, correct? Correct. Timing is everything. It may be now isn't our time. If I'm reading the tea leaves in the room. But the reality is, this is a good deal for the city. And you may not see it now, but things change. The city is going to develop. You need more revenue. And we are not just brokers. We own property here. We want to develop it. We like it here. And I really resent you and place at least suggesting otherwise. I want to be here. My dad wants to be here. Maybe the time isn't now. But this is a good deal. I think it's going to happen eventually. I don't have no problem holding this property for my son. I'm going to be here. So you might see this again in the future. But I would urge you to think about it. Maybe when the flooding situation is better, the time for development comes you'll think about us more favorably but this is a good deal it really is so I would urge you to think about it if not today than the future. We're giving you three or four pieces of land. The mission road property is zoned residential. We're not building anything there, but it really doesn't matter because timing is everything. And he'll be here, my grandson will be here, things will move on, but it is a good deal in the city. Thank you for your call. Patrick Fisher, 2100 Air Park Road. So again, you know, I pose I'm going to go ahead and actually shares borders from the 75 acres that he wanted to move into conservation. But the table one in your report shows that there's compatibility based on the surrounding area. There's nothing commercial in that area. So I don't see how that translates to this piece of property to justify agriculture and conservation to commercial land uses. So this criterion doesn't maintain a cohesive future land use map. On the same document, the term conservation overlay is misleading. It's vague and less restrictive than the current designation. And unfortunately, we're learning no matter what the term used perpetuity is not forever. It just comes out that way. Further down on the document, business impact statement states that will produce more tax revenue and jobs. That's a blanket statement that fails to provide a financial analysis to support such claim. There's no factual validation that generated volume outweighs the development impact on a surrounding environment or the community. And then as we've beat the death tonight, you know, last month we engaged in critical discussion about flooding and the concept of not knowing what we don't know, which underscores the vital importance of the stormwater master plan, recognizing its urgency, it's been an additional $20,000 to exit the completion. What we do know tonight is that stormwater outflows, converts it in this area, flowing east from Florida shores and west from mind 95, giving these conditions, moving forward decisions of this magnitude at this time would be irresponsible. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Tom Holt 1798 highway lane this property is basically located right in the middle of the Turnbull hammock and if it's re-zoned and developed commercially, it will be an island in the middle of this hammock. To the east, to the east, the south and the west will be all wetlands and conservation land with a piece of commercial real estate sitting right in the middle of it. If this is given approval, all the properties on the north side of 442, they're all up for sale right now in the same exact land. The only difference about that side and that side is that it's divided by a road, the same wet property. If you give them this zoning change, you have given permission to the people on the other side of the road, come to you and ask for the same thing, and they're going to expect you to make the same change for them. I'm asking you not to make these changes. Thank you, sir, for your help. Back to Council comments. Is there a motion to approve? Is there a motion to approve? Motion hereby. May I meet him, first we, on this number twenty twenty four dash zero. That's fifty three with clusters only map amendment from the Luchy County Resource corridor R.C. to the City of Edgewater Highway commercial B three for fourteen point one two eight acres of property generally located south of the state road four forty two and west of our mission be well it I don't know if it failed, but because L wasn't adopted, we would not be able to approve M. Thank you, sir. We would not be able to approve 8M either. Correct. L and M were the two pieces that were intertwined. So we're on 8.0. 8.n. And. Item 8 and first reading order is December 2024. That's 54 requests for zoning map amendment from the bullish county resource corridor RC, the city of edge water, on a subverson, CN for 47.719 acres of property general located south of St. Road for 40GN, all mentioned, please ring to the right. Ornith, St. Road 24, I showed that 54 in Ornith, running the change in zoning classification from County Resource Quarter to city conservation for 47.719 plus the minus acres of the Federal property. Generally located east of Interstate 95 south of the state road 442 parts of ID number 84380100380 edge water. For many the officials, any map of the city, Vegewater provided for the provisions, several go in the voting provide for an effective day recording and adoption. Yeah, for poor. This is again another like to like from Lucia County, research, order the city of Edgewater Conservation. Likely, the applicant will pull it, but that is a request before you go from Volucia County Resource Quarter, the city of Edgewater Conservation. That's all I have this for you. Citizens comments. Council comments, is there a motion to approve? A motion is 8-0. First meeting, order 7-24. That's your desk 55. 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This is a request to do a rezoning. If you recall that staff had brought forth the annexation, the comprehensive plan amendment that was tabled to January for a second reading. Request before you is to rezone the property from Volusia County Resource Corridor to City of Edgewater Mixed Use Plan Unit Development, the Edgewater River Oaks, M-U-P-U-D. The property has already been entitled to the west for the Edgewater River Oaks, M-U-P-U-D. This is kind of a cleanup item with staff. City staff will bring back in January, pending the adoption of this ordinance, the second reading for the annexation of the what I'm calling, I will call it main growth parcel, not beach. The comprehensive plan amendment, and then the rezoning as well as the PUD amendment, all those would be heard for second reading in January should this first reading be approved It is compatible with the adjacent zoning district For the edgewater river Oaks and mu PUD that was adopted back in November of last year Thank you applicant Resetation Thank you, Mr. Mayor members of the council. I'll be very brief this evening I'm Mark Watts with the law firm of Cobb Cole 231 North Woodland Boulevard Daland I want to thank Ryan and in your staff for working with us on this as he mentioned. This is a cleanup item essentially Everything to the west is within the beauty that you approved last year These two parcels were identified after the closing that they were not included in the initial PUD. We think they properly ought to be in the city of Edgewater. With city of Edgewater, land use, city of Edgewater zoning, and a development agreement with the city of Edgewater. Right now, you've got those four items pending. Three of those are currently scheduled for the January meeting for us to kind of wrap this up and conclude it. This proposed rezoning tonight lets the rezoning catch up with the other items that you previously approved on first reading and also the development agreement that would be scheduled for final approval at your January meeting. So happy to answer any questions but our goal and intent here is really just cleaned up the entire project and entire shoreline under the PUD and under the City of Edgwater's regulatory control. So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions you have. So this is Council. Council comments. Is there a motion to write? This is the beach, right? Correct. Okay. And in the PUD, we did say that it's only going to be mangroves. There's, they're adding more mangroves, but they're not touching anything else. Right. Separate, overlay, walkway to the beach, existing beach, right? Correct. Part of that language in the PUD amendment would be to preserve the main groups as a condition of their other requests. Okay. And adding more main groups and getting rid of what were they getting rid of some kind of a invasive pepper plant? Yeah. Right now most of this, there's a lot of Brazilian pepper and other invasive that would be eradicated as part of the site development and the mangroves would then be supplemented. And you're just building a walkway over the top of everything you take it to the existing beach. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve. First reading ordinance number 2-0-0-55. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Davo. Yes. Councilwoman d'Abo. Yes, Councilman Wilkie. Yes, Mayor DePueh. Councilwoman Gillis. No Councilman Thomas no 8R resolution never 2024 dash R-32 adopting the comprehensive emergency management plan C MP Dave this summer of 2024 staff please ring to the record Staff report. Yeah, we did it. It's in the park. So we are on 8R. Yes. Resolution. Okay, I'm not giving it right. 8R resolution. Wait a minute. We're not on it. That's what I just read. I'm not sure if you're 24-r-32 a resolution of the City Council of the City of Edgewater Florida adopting the comprehensive emergency management plan CEP mp dated December 2024 repealing resolution is a conflict here with providing for severability and applicability and establishing an effective date Stafford for There is no staff report This is just an update to our plan. It was worked on with our fire folks and in coordination with County, just bringing up an update. Thank you, my friend. Citizens comments? Council comments. Is there a motion to it? Thank you motion. Approved resolution number 2-0 four dash or dash 32 second roll call Councilwoman Davo yes, Councilman Wilkie. Yes mayor. Depew. Yes, Councilman Gillis. Yes. Ayes, Resolution No. 24-R-35, December and then the amended budget for the fiscal year 2024-2025. Resolution 2024-R-35, the City Council of Edgewater Florida, Daphne Budget Adjustments, to the 2020-2025 fiscal year budgets and provider and effective date. That report. Good evening, Mayor and Council. fiscal year budget and provide an effective date. Staff report. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Bridget Vassier, Finance Director with City of Edgewater. Resolution before you this evening, 2024, R-35 is the December budget amendment for fiscal year 2425. City manager and staff were performed a review of all projects and open purchase orders from the prior fiscal year, September 30th, 2024, that were in the works prior to the commencement of current fiscal year. Florida statute, budget lapses at the end of the fiscal year. Majority of this budget amendment before you is rolling forward the budget that was approved in prior fiscal year. The budget is amended at fund level as found in Exhibit A. Additional detail schedule was attached to the agenda to assist in providing further clarification on all of the open projects at the end of the fiscal year. The total budget amendment before you this evening is $90,342,592 of which almost $33 million of it is for transfers to capital projects and internal service funds. That leaves approximate total increase in the expenditure city wide of 58 million. Of this 58 million, 52 million was in open projects at the end of the fiscal year that was previously approved in prior fiscal year. Approximately 20 million relates to the public works complex. 14.5 million relates to G2G11 stormwater project that was funded by a DEO grant source. Another 1.2 million is for the stormwater master plan. $9.6 million for water and sewer projects, of which $3.9 million was identified as an SRF debt with the intent that it would be a forgiveness grant. $3 million in parks projects, of which $1.1 million was the Sun Trail project that is funded by an FDOT grant funding. There is $600,000 of the Pickleball Courts project that is funded by ECO grants, and 300,000 of the Pickleball project, which is funded from Recreation Impact fees. So all grant or restricted cash sources. In addition to the project and purchase order roll forward, there were a few additional items that we needed to bring before you for the amendment. There was cost for Hurricane Milton and FEMA technical assistance in the amount of 1.4 million. Additional costs related to the public works complex, 3.4 million, inspection and review cost to be reimbursed by the developers, 500,000, an update to the land development code and comprehensive plan, 300,000, license plate reader costs that were emitted from the original budget, 47,500, the cost of the nationwide city manager search at 30,000. Additional cost for design and engineer for the boat ramp of 120,000. Change order for the surveying and civil engineering services for an emergency traffic signal for fire station 55, 14,000, 125. The additional cost to expedite the stormwater master plan of 20,000. Additional cost the city's budget for the commission 55 14,000 125. The additional cost to expedite the stormwater master plan of 20,000. Additional cost of investigation for the allegations against the city's civil engineer and environmental service director 15,000. It's for our dash 35. Last city council meeting, we got a consensus to have the update. I just want to make sure that a potential staff position. I just wanted to hear an update on that. With the grant position. There are some opportunities we can find a part-time slot. Right. Different options. We received over $30 million so far. I think it's a thank-win. That department's going to keep expanding and expanding. Were we find the salary for that part-time time? We've got some lap salary right now to get us to budget time. Last year in 2024, we were awarded $8.23 million. We've got a little over 18 million in ongoing grant compliance. It has all been awarded. It needs, there's compliance issues, not issues, but requirements for each of those grants. And 25 is gonna be, requirements for each of those grants and 25 is going to be 2526 going to be a pretty big year for going after grants. I need the Stonewater Master Plan as well as several other things Citizens comments I think we've already had our council comments. Motion to approve. A proof resolution number 2, 0, 2, 4, dash R, dash 35. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dauble. Yes. Councilwoman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePueh. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilman Wilkie. Yes, Mayor Depu. Yes, Councilwoman Gillis. Yes, Councilman Thomas. Yes 18 resolution number 24 dash R dash 39 approval for resolution of mending and supplementing resolution number 2016 R dash 04 and authorizing the insurance and the sale of the utility system revenue note series 20 2024 to truest commercial equity Evidence the financing and amount not to exceed $20 million of Resolution number 2024 dash R-39 second supplemental resolution the second supplemental resolution of the city of eduador Florida the issue were a many in supplementing that certain master utility system revenue bond resolution number 2016-R-04 adopted by the City Council of the issue or on January 4, 2016, the master resolution authorizing the issuance of its utility system revenue notes, series 2024, and the principal amount of not to exceed $20 million, the series 2024 note, the proceeds of which will be used together with other available funds of the issuer to fund the cost of acquiring, constructing, and equipping its public work's facility and related improvements that pay certain costs of issuance associated with the series 2020 for note, providing that the series 2020 for note shall be a limited obligation of the issuer, payable for pledged ref, pledge funds of the system, providing for the rights, securities and remedies of the owner of this series 2024 note making certain covenants Integrations in connection therewith and provided an effective date Mayeron council We're divest here finance director city of ed water. We also have with us this evening in An attendance we have our financial advisor Joel tendle and bond Bond Council, Joseph Stanton, to assist with any questions you may have. What is before you is the resolution approving the additional debt for the public works complex, the financial advisor worked very closely with Bond Council and our own legal department and we went through the RFP process to secure financing for the best possible rates 4.3% was what was offered by truest commercial equity We have before you the recommendation to move forward with financing with truest if you have any questions We have it to answer them Thank you. So this is comments. Council comments. Is there a motion to approve? Make a motion to approve resolution number 2024-R-39. roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes, Councilman Wilkie. Yes, Mayor Depute. Councilwoman Gillis. No, Councilman Thomas. Yes. Hey, the you resolution 2024 are 40 final. Why 24 budget amendment revise exhibit please reading to the record resolution 2024-rash 40 resolution to the City Council of Edgewater Florida adopting the budget adjustments to the 2023-2024 fiscal year budgets and provider an elective date staff report Good evening Marin council, Brigid So what we have before you is the revised exhibit in the prior council meeting I brought before you a final budget amendment for fiscal year 24. What occurs on the exhibit that was attached we have a column for the currently approved the approved after amended and the recommended amendment in that last exhibit the recommended amendment was accurate. However, I had picked up the wrong column for the currently approved budget. So the exhibit was an error before you is just the column for the final budget amendment amounts. I want to public hearing citizens comments, council comments. Is there a motion to approve? You can motion to approve resolution number 2-024-R-40. Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Dalbo. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePueh. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. Yes. Item 9, Board of Appointments, and at this time, item 10, other business we discussed 10a, which was a Public Works Facility, Approval Major Sight Plan, we discussed B, which was also phase 1 of the new Public Works Facility, which, obviously, both were approved. Item 10c, FP 2400, Request, or Final Plan Approval for Edgewater, preserved, phase 2, generally located west of Volcano, right at staff reports. the plan to approve for edge water. Phase two, generally located west of Alcove Road staff report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The applicant first submitted for final plat review on April 18th of 2024. Subscrant reviews have taken place in the technical review committee, including the contracted city surveyer, contracted city engineer, have all reviewed the final plat and found that the development meets the requirements of the preliminary plat, the land development code, and the residential planned unit development agreement. City staff is recommending approval for the final part for Edgewater Preserves Phase 2. Thank you. Applicant, comment, present, citizens, comments. Chuck Martin, two or five chair with Edgewater. When you say staff is approved, who exactly is that? It's a staff recommendation of the building department. But who's the staff? Is it him? That would be the whole department. The whole department? Okay. So the technical review committee is... Thank you, Plenty. The technical review committee is composed of all the directors at the city as far as the fire chief, the city engineer, myself serving as development services and economic development director and from economic development director. The building official are contracted city engineer and the contracted city surveyor all serve for the Technical Review Committee and offer comments on every project before the city. Thank you sir. Is there a motion to approve? Don't we need council comments? Council comments. I'm just not... I think that something had to have failed with it. I mean, we can recommend approval all we want, but things went wrong on the project multiple times. And I'm just... I don't think that it was done properly. I agree. They break my trust one time you're not gonna break my trust again. I mean you could sit there and watch the countless videos you sat there and watch it if you would anyone got out during the storm of water just pour and pour to pour and down from that development and just we can't make that mistake. That was already recalled. He should have been prepared. Absolutely. Or plan B. I certainly think so. Click after that. Sorry. All right. So question. Maybe this is for Aaron. So in the sense, this is the final approval. Is this a,-digitial we're doing right now? Yes it is. Can you explain for everyone listening what that is? Yeah in a quasi-digitial hearing, the council needs to make basis decision on the competent substantial evidence based in the record. And the approval of a final plat really is a ministerial decision. If the final plat meets all the requirements of the city land development code and complies with the approved preliminary plat, then the council should approve the final plat. If the final plat, and this is from your land development code, if the final plat is denied by the city council, the reasons for the not shall be stated in writing. And then the copies of those reasons shall be sent to the development services department and the applicant. And then the applicant shall make any necessary changes and resubmit the final plat to the city council for review and consider and reconsideration. So if denied council would need to put in writing, why is being denied at this time and they will review it and give us steps they're going to take to compensate what council feels they failed. Correct. Right. Yeah, the applicant would need to make the necessary changes and resummit the final plan. And the moratorium is not reason enough because they've already submitted. Correct. And the moratorium's not reason enough because they've already seen it. Correct. They need to build as a ditch. That would be halfway to the hammer. And then you said you knew somebody on that land, but we could, you know, I would be willing to support it then, but, you know, they got to be prepared. They can't do that to us again. So you know it is 12 o'clock this is a hot button issue just saying for the record. You know there's four people here. I don't know if we want to make the suggestion to table this for the discussion but if not is there a motion to prove I would say motion to table it. Is there a second to table it? Table it to a one please. Please sir. Can I to be served? General. Yes. Councilwoman Davos second. Yes. Okay. Roll call. Councilwoman Davos. Yes. Councilman Wilkie. Yes. Mayor DePueh. Yes. Councilwoman Gillis. Yes. Councilman Thomas. No. Item 11. Officer reports. Item 11. The only thing that I have, there's just the parades coming up, I sent out emails to everyone. You just let me know what you're participating in. You know, let's do that tonight tomorrow. It's fine. I'll be Willie Wonka. My brain is fried. What day's it for right? Arches on the port. And Oak Hill is on the port. 14 after hours. Two o'clock. And Reese. I got one redone. Sorry. Same day as the parade at 12 o'clock is Reese Cross America. Sarah Madden. And as water, to run a cemetery, beside the post office, I would love to have residents who are still watching out there listening to that ceremony. City attorney. Yes, I just have a quick litigation update. As you'll recall, I've been defending a case brought by John Ingalls Against the city for several years The defendants in the case are the city of edgewater along with former manager Tracy Barlow chief Leracy and former code enforcement officer Kevin Pogany On September 26 and followed two motions for summary judgment in order to try to win this case before trial. I followed one motion on behalf of the city and another motion on behalf of the individual defendants. On November 18th, the hearing was held on those motions and I'm pleased to report that the judge granted both motions. And so we've won that entire case by summary judgment. The judge asked me to submit proposed orders granting both motions which I've done. And so we're just waiting on the judge to enter those orders in that case. Switching gears, a new case has been filed by Jeremy Gottfried. He claims he was injured on April 30th of this year on 30th Street sidewalk. He claims that there was an inadequately secured manhole that caused him to either fall off his bike or trip and fall. But what we haven't seen is any evidence of that. You know, Pictures or any other evidence has been submitted of that allegedly inadequately secured manhole. So I'm in the process of filing response a pleatience to that complaint. And that's all I have. Thank you city manager. Gonna just give some highlights from the memo that I sent right before the holidays. Two weeks between the last council meeting and right before the holidays, probably the highlight of that two weeks was co-hosting that town hall. We had over 110. We were able to have a conversation with over 20 different residents. It was refreshing to be able to speak back or have that conversation with folks. Hope to do more of those maybe on different topics as we move forward. Also attended the Volusia County Council meeting to provide support for our Transform 3-6 Grand Awards in two different areas, the Canal System Armory, and the weather proofing of our wastewater treatment facility. Also attended Volusia County's elected officials roundtable held at the Daytona Beach International Airport was introduced on WSBB radio in New Samurna, was also interviewed and an article was written about myself in the hometown news. Let's see here, sign a change order to accelerate the final report with stormwater master plan. I mentioned that earlier. Met with the vice president of the Delta Group and the lead investigator met with them this morning. Interviews will probably start later this week towards the investigation. Looking at developing the structure for the creation of a residential drainage citizens action committee, still flushing that out, see what that looks like. To begin January, February of 25. Staff has gathered numbers for water meter change outs and service calls were formed by field operations over the past year to date, helping to address the concerns of system wide meter functionality and to further follow up on Council's consensus, a water meter study will also be included in the water rate calculation for 2526. And did you have some numbers for us? Yeah. As far as residential goes, we have about 11,200 meters, which we've done about 65, just a little bit below 65% with 3,800 remaining. And at the rate we're going, it will have these replaced in approximately two years. Thank you, Dan. Let's see. We are also anticipating finding some alternatives for projected financial impact on water rates for the treatment of water color in our potter bowl water that will be reflected in the rate study briefing for 2526. In addition to the monthly stormwater maintenance maps, We will provide monthly briefing updates for all storm-borne maintenance activities as well as that truck activities from the previous month during a council meeting. John, do you want to bring us up to speed. There we go. Sean Maroni. As far as this month, I just sent the map this afternoon to interim city manager. And then as far as our activities, some of the numbers just going through the numbers as far as what everybody is trying to look for. Can I am going? We did 2.0. We did 2.0. We did 2.0. uh... interim city manager and then as far as our activities some of the numbers just going through the numbers as far as what everybody's trying to look for canal mowing we did two point zero seven miles of canal mowing canal cleaning we did about two miles uh... swale work we did about thirty one hundred feet of swale work uh... throughout the shores and the south west end mostly uh... retention pond mowing there was 17 of them and they're including the big lake at Lyman Mango from 27th to 29th and then for the Vack truck we had the county had sent out the Vack truck for about a day and a half and they did India Palm from 35th to 30th and then our own Vack truck we had run in a couple of different areas around CumQuat 35th and you all so trying to spread the wealth there throughout the shores. Thank you. Do you have update on stormwater master plan more than what I provided earlier nothing to feed us just a data gathering at this point that they're working on wonderful. Wonderful. Thank you, Sean. I wanted to also give you a quick update on grant activity. I'm going to ask for this every year to be done about this time just so we communicate what's been done, what's we're anticipating moving forward and what's active. I mentioned before in 2024. been done, what's we're anticipating moving forward and what's active. I mentioned before in 2024, we've about 8.2 million was awarded in five different awards and from four different agencies. Also we've got about seven ongoing awards for compliance from six different agencies and about 18.3 million dollars of that and future 25 party needs. We're going to be looking at resiliency planning, flood mitigation, pump station generators, additional canal armoring, some CIP projects noted in the future stormwater master plan and others, let's see some new bay doors for fire stations that are currently not rated for wind impact like they should. Some cyber security, also a police boat lift for the for the new vessel, and also at water boat ramps north and Boston, Wayla. So a lot of activities happening, good stuff happening, money coming in, helping us out. So that is all I had. Oh, and I did mention earlier that the Stormrunner Master Plan, the 20 year CIP project, it's slated to get to us middle of September, not the final report, but that list of projects we're all waiting for. So that's mid September. Okay, awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. has been left unlocked and unattended quite a few times. It's all documented and have pictures and timestamps and are in terms of city manager knows about it. That's totally against the law for Homeland Security. And my effect is supposed to have sensors and cameras on it too. But let's make sure it's locked up. And as a citizen here, my brother worked here 26 years before he passed away. He took pride in here in Edgewater, and our public works facility looks horrible. So I'm going to challenge Jeff Thurman and Sean Barone to meet me at the Public Works facility Sunday at 8 a.m. for half a day. I'll bring a weed eater and a pressure washer. And let's clean these buildings up and take a little bit of pride. And so that's my challenge, citizens challenge, unless he can talk maybe Jason and getting some help but it looks horrible over there. It really does. It makes us all look bad in the city. I work all over the state and our public works facility is the most horrible that I've seen. Our roads and our ditches and our parks are beautiful. The most beautiful I've seen. But our public works, it looks horrible. Let's get it cleaned up. I challenge you guys. I'll go there Sunday Sunday 8 a.m. Or anybody else who wants to come help do a little bit of cleanup. And, um, and as far as the water department, it's, let's get that cleaned up too, man. If the wrong people come around here at the wrong time, that's not going to look good for us. Really, we deserve better. So who wants to, you guys want to meet me over there Sunday? Get it cleaned up. I'll be there. I promise. You can come to church with me. Sure will. Okay. I'll join you at church. Thank you sir for your job hold on what about Sean he's sitting there all quiet now okay well I guess we got that answer okay I guess I'm going to church on any further citizens comments? Okay, we are adjourned.