you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you Thank you. I'd like to call the September 2024 meeting of the community services advisory board to order and note that our alternate will also be voting today Joseph Murray. Roll call. Member Barone. Present. Member Morocco is absent. Alternate Member Murray. Present. Member Osher. Present. Vice Chair Smith. Present. Chair Smith. Present O'Sher. President. Vice Chair Smith. President. Chair Smith. President. Thank you. Stand and give the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Announcements. No one else? Any public comment cards? No cards Any noted changes to the agenda no changes Can I get a motion to approve the August? 2024 meeting minutes. I'll make motion to accept them. Second. I'll second. All approved. Any nays approved item eight. Regular agenda, Chad? Yes, good afternoon, Chad Mayor, Parks Recreation Facilities Director. If you recall back in April. We had an item that came before you with a public art from the public, excuse me, from the park shore fund. This was to approve a location, the place of public art in the 4400 block of Gulf Shore Boulevard North. This item was approved back then with understanding that wants to artwork was designed and ready to be proposed that it would come back for you. So that's what you have today. So again, this committee is the responsibility is for it to approve public art in the open space in parks. So we've got, you know, park sure fun has actually funded several projects and our guests will probably talk a little bit about that, but we're very happy to continue to work with them. They've been a great organization and a great part of the community and they've done an outstanding job on filling some of the spaces with public art as it was intended. The artwork that we'll be presented today is Mr. Mark Bernelly and I'll let him take over. And then after that, if you would like to have any questions or you have any questions, then we'll open up for you all to ask. So I will turn it off over to Mr. Bernelly. Thank you, Janet. I am Mark Brelly. I am a member of the Parkshore Fund, which is a charitable fund of the Chaiar Community Foundation. I have been a member of this fund since inception and seven years ago. Our mission is to raise funds and access of what the city provides to enhance park shore neighborhoods. Today, we've received approximately $200,000 in donations, which initially went to landscaping, projects throughout park shore after hurricanes. Within the last few years, we've embarked on two new public art projects, one located at the main entry to park shore in US 41 and the other at 4450 golf shore Boulevard North. This year we begun development of a third sculpture, a project at another open space at 4400 Gulf Shore Boulevard North. This location has been included in the draft of the public art master plan. You can see the location there. Gulf Shore Boulevard North is here. We enlisted Mr. Chad Jensen of Method and Concept to assist us with locating an appropriate artist and hard-scape design for the site. The sculpture is entitled The Traveler by renowned artist Herb Babcock. Herb has visited the site and is orientating the bronze sculpture and 250-pound glass oval on top to take advantage of the East West Sun exposure. and a seven feet tall. This modern work of motion is meant to appeal to the many walkers, bikers, and cars that travel along Gulf Shropa LaVarde. Here is more information about the artist, her Babcock. The hardscapes surrounding the sculpture will be a series of concrete plints of different levels to allow for interaction with the sculpture and to provide seating. Here is more information about the hardscape designer, Chad Chenson. And your packet is a complete bio on Herb Bapcop and examples of his work. This is a summary of the public art requirements to date. Addential information about the artist and his various projects are also within your packet. Thank you. I can now take questions if you have any. And before we do that, let me add, we do have a letter of support from G-SAC as well as a letter of support from Park Shore for this art. And you'll see, as he mentioned, there is an attachment in here about the art location and it's got information on her BAPCOT. So if you need to refer to that, you do have that in your packet. So this is the roughly east side of Gulf Shore Boulevard on the right as you had North. As you had North it's on the right. That's correct. Good. Is there any connection between the artist and Naples? I'm just curious how you look at those artists. There is no connection. Our previous sculpture on the Boulevard was done by Raymond Lutker. Obviously there's a huge connection there. And it's a wonderful sculpture. This time, we went out and Chad Jensen found different artists with different styles. And we were really taken back by this style of the metal and the glass. We just thought it felt really good at this location and also was kind of a new approach to things and labels. And I saw that there was a pending independent appraisal. As I understand it, I don't know if this is a question for you or Chad from the previous time we went over this. So this is owned by I guess Parkshore Association. This is owned by the Parkshore Association. Once it's complete with the heart scape, we will be donating it to the city. And at that point then is the city responsible for protecting it, preserving it, ensuring it, anything like that. Whose responsibility would that be? Correct. So once it's donated to the city, we'll be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep as well as we would ensure that through our current policy. The only correction I would have is it's not partial association, it's partial fund that owns it to go into the minutes. Okay. So if there's no other questions on this, if everybody feels confident on that if we can get a motion, what would happen from this point is an approval here it would go to City Council and we would have final approval through City Council. So just out of curiosity is the purpose of the appraisal or let me rephrase it what is the purpose of the appraisal? So there's a requirement, the appraisal helps when you're doing development because there's a requirement for the artwork to be appraised at a certain value. But in our case, the reason for that is we want to know one if we do ensure it, we want to know what it's worth so it can be insured for that value. And there may be some other components that have to be done because I know with them being associated with community development or community foundation there may be requirements to make sure that the money is quote unquote well spent and from our side it would just be insurance purposes. Do we know the difference between the appraisal value and the cost? We don't, because the cost is something that they're handling through the park shore fund. And then appraise value obviously would once that comes out, we'll have that. Now we can show that down the road. But I don't know if it's going to do us too much. I know if we had to replace it, we would want to know what the replacement value of it is. So we'll have a lot of that submitted once we send it, or if they come to us to donate it, all that information would be in there. Is it fair to ask what does it cost for the statute? Sure. The total, because I look at it's two components. You have the statute itself and then the hardscape around it. We estimate the two combined will be approximately 125,000. So in a sense, it's kind of equally split between the two. Transport costs, soft costs, that sort of thing also included. So the actual value of the sculpture, that's probably why it's good to get in the prazel. Would it be fair though for us to assume that this is similar sort of any art work appraisal or collectible where you're trying to justify essentially replacement value for insurance purposes if something were to be lost stolen or damaged. I think so. It weighs a thousand pounds I can't see it being stolen but it could be damaged somehow so I would say it's probably for a replacement value. I think from the point of view of community services advisory board, we would be very comfortable recommending that the park sure fund proceed with this public heart project. Thank you very much. and I'm very grateful for the wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful wonderful like the concept that it's a little bit more interactive and not a drive-by and look at. I think that that is very thoughtful and the more times we can do that in our community, I think it just doubles the value of it. Not that value we're about to get appraised, but the value we all received by being able to walk by it but also go up and interact with it while it doesn't move. There's seating, there's walk around space. I do love that concept. So thank you for that extra thought that I'm sure went into it because it doubled the cost of it, but I think it'll be worth it. But with that being said, I'd like to motion to allow them to proceed with the, how do I phrase this? I just make a motion to approve the public art as motion to approve the public art as requested. Second. On favor. I. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much. And also I'll kind of add now that this is that we did have a David fight and Ellen Siegel has been very instrumental as well and with this project. And I know that Mark Reilly has been involved and they've had him come to do the presentation but I want to thank them for all of their hard work as well as the park sure fun Item 8B director and staff report Yes, get to it here So again Chad Merritt, Parks Recreation Facilities Director. As we always do, we have the Director's Report and it lists several items that have come before Council that you'll see what ended up happening and whether it was approved or not approved. I will not take item 4B. We did receive a $15,000 donation from the Rotary Club for Canberra Park playground, which specifically will go towards benches and picnic tables for a new playground once we replace that. So I wanted to thank them publicly again and let them know that that was a very, very generous donation and that we look forward to putting in the good use and I know that community will enjoy those benches and tables as well. Outside of that, you know, I do want to kind of go through briefly here. As always, I show you some of the updates, and currently right now we have projects and a project list as we're entering the end of our fiscal year. We have only a couple of weeks left here before we go in the fiscal year 25. And that, as I showed you before before what the CIP projects are involved with that which I want to note that one of the big things that this committee is going to be involved in this coming up here is the update to the master plan for the department. So this is a you know every year is, but this coming up year is extra important because that's kind of a road map. So we're excited to move forward on that. We do have the final budget presentation or excuse me, the final budget hearing is set to be on September 18th. So if you would like to tune in, that's about 505. Once if that is approved by City Council, then we would move forward in the fiscal year on October 1st. A couple of projects, Naples Peer Project is still working through some permitting. We do have a project manager that is handling that, which is the City Engineer, over in public works and he's working through that with the engineers that in architects that were hired. There are some female components that they're working through as well with FEMA representatives and we hope to continue to try to update as soon as we can. If you go through again you'll look at accesses and all. We did remove the fencing at the public beach accesses so that you don't see that. We did put some signs to try to warn people. We want to try to prevent people from driving out on the beach. But we're going to continue to move this project. It is at 100% designs. We are working through permitting and we anticipate that the permitting is not going to be much longer for this. And we won't try to get it bit out if possible, but we do. We are trying to also work with FEMA regarding some of these items. So once everything is set, then this project will move forward as well. The facility maintenance section, you know they've been working on the Latter-Milt ADA shower project and this is kind of in its final stages to where we can get this project moving. What that's going to do is update the restrooms, or not the restrooms, the shower area on the north side of the pavilion so that it's a little more accessible. We've added some ramps currently. Right now, you have to go to the south end of the pavilion to enter on a ramp in order to get to the restrooms. So with the ADA mat coming off of the beach, we felt it was very important from an accessibility standpoint to have the ramp accessible on both sides so it would be a little easier for someone in a wheelchair, especially if you're in the parking lot. So you don't have to go all the way down and come back up. So this is a very good project, another enhancement in my opinion to the community. Any time that you can enhance it especially at an ADA standpoint, I think you've moved in a very positive direction. So we're excited to try to get this project going. You'll also see a couple of pictures here. We did put some bike racks in, it can be a park, we had a lot of people that were using this picture that you see with the bike racks right behind it was a railing and people love to use that railing for the bike racks, well the bikes and it dings the railings up and it doesn't, it's not very easy when you've got somebody who needs to utilize the railing. So we were able to get these bike racks installed and if you go by there I'll assure you there are people utilizing it because it's a people bike to work, people bike to the park. So we were very, it was very beneficial for us to be able to complete that project. Parks and parkways, a couple of things that I really want to highlight there. If you've driven down central avenue, you'll notice that the median have been kind of pulled out, everything's being pulled out. Those are being redone. Irrigation was in quite a bad condition and then the plants were what we always say out growing the pot. So anytime you plant a plant in a pot, it's going to grow and then it's going to eventually reach the end of its time in that pot and you either have to transfer it over or put something new in it. So we're at that stage now where we don't want to have damage to the streets and the curbing as well as have a tree that is in poor condition that ends up falling and hurting someone or damaging some ice property. So we take a proactive approach here at the city and this is one of those projects we typically do one a year this year, Central Avenue. Next year we have on slate for Banyan to have which is right there in front of a lot of milk park Part of a lot of milk park landscape project is also started So when you go out the lot of milk park you're gonna notice The landscaping was destroyed during the hurricane is gonna be revitalized and we're gonna have some Enhancements to that so we're excited that that project's getting started and has gotten started this week. Along with that, we'll be the median's and in front of a lot of milk part will be redone from the damage from the hurricane as well. So a lot of stuff. You know, you can go through here and always try to provide this so that you can read through and see a lot of things that are going on. This is in addition to the day-to-day items of maintaining the beach and maintaining the trash cans and cleaning restrooms and running programs and events and etc. So you know they've been very very busy the if you see in here beach raking That's been kind of a conversation people have asked about a lot So I think it's beneficial for me to kind of let you know and update you I know I think I've maybe talked a little bit about it when we did the tour but the beach raking takes place all month We basically start at the beginning of the month. We start on the south end of the pier and we go south end of the pier to the south end of the city and then we go peer to the north to the pass and then we go to the pass and go from there up to I believe horizon and then we go horizon up and this process our rake is not like a lot of the other beaches. A lot of the other beaches that you'll see, they can drive extremely fast back and forth. They're just raking just to make it look pretty. Our has actually has fingers that go into the sand and pluck anything that may be just under the sand. So if there's a glass bottle, if there's some debris that's washed up in a storm, that's kind of been covered up over the sand, hours actually goes in and pulls those items up and then we have to dump those. So we're not able to go extremely fast. We have to go slow on that. So that kind of minimizes the amount of time that it takes for us to do the entire beach. It takes us about close to three weeks just to complete the entire beach. And then we start all the way back over. Our permit also only allows us to get a certain distance from the the timeline. If you've seen the beach here in the last, we had I think one the other week where the tide was way up and we really couldn't break a whole lot of the beach. We're looking at potential king tides coming in again, which will also minimize how much we can get on there. The other thing that impacts us is if everybody decides to go out on the beach earlier that day, we, you know, just so we don't jeopardize safety of the people that are on the beach. And as well as, you know, we don't want to ruin their experience, we may pull off earlier than we anticipated. So this is an ongoing process and we continue to do that. I do feel that it's beneficial to have the rate system that we have versus just going and raking over the top. Kind of like what you're doing on an athletic field where you see the rate go through and rate the infield and everything looks pretty again. That's great and I think that's better than nothing but for our side I think it's important to make sure that if there's something up underneath that this our rate system is able to pull it up so I just thought it was beneficial to add that moving over to recreation side one thing I want to mention if you see here it says Fright Night in the City This is a haunted house is put on by the concern group and they actually kind of piggyback off of an event that we've already set up. We had done truck or treat for several years now and we were, you know, can continue to do that. We've kind of looked at some potential different formats of that but we we'll be reverting back to just do the trucker treat. What I need is if you know somebody that's interested you know we're gonna try to make this like a competition where whoever has the best trucker treat decorations etc, that we want to hand out like an award, but we want to encourage people to come. Very safe environment. You've got the amazing playground that we've got there. We've added in some other activities. The Hunnet House that will be there as well. Great time. If you're not looking to walk miles and miles with your kids to get candy, this is a great opportunity if you want to participate. We're asking to please let us know we're going to have a limited number of space on the trunks that we can do. So I challenge if our CSAB board members don't have anything to do or would like to come be involved, please let us know as soon as possible. We're probably, I don't know what the number, I don't know if we went 60. What was the number that we decided that we were going to get to? We got to 40. We got to 60. That was kind of an important spot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all good. So we're looking at about 60, but we'll probably go to 30, 40, depending on the parking spots is what was said there. But we're really needing people to be involved. We want to continue to do this, but we also want to make sure that if we spend the time to put it together, that we have the people that come in to participate. So please get your Halloween costume. I've seen all of the stores have opened up everywhere. So you should be able to get a costume and go get you big bags of candy. So we'll look forward. Anybody interested though? Please contact us. Can I ask a question? So the trunker treat is the same night as the freight? Correct. That wasn't clear to me from the flyer. Yeah. Yeah. So no this is concern. So concern does the haunted house but it's part it's on the same night in the same location as our trunker treat or our event. So they- The time is the same. It is. Okay. Yep. So a lot of fun activities. I think they are actually going to update the flyer to add the trunker tree down there because we understood that could be a little confusing. But it's one night, same time, a lot of great activities. So, and I'm going to be honest with you last year when they did this haunted house. I don't know if you're interested in haunted houses. Not that I thought that they were not capable of doing anything, but it was pretty amazing. Like for the first year, I thought they did an outstanding job. So if you like haunted houses and you want to go to a good one and you're only talking not very much, you can do it pre-register you see there or you can walk up the day of, but the concern group will be organizing that and then we'll have some of our staff that already own site that will be handling the truck treats out of things. So, we look forward to anybody that would like to join us. The, I see if there's anything else, you'll see the list of events here. One thing that I'm will try to see if we're able to do moving forward is give you kind of a running tally of how many special event applications that we have taken from this point in this calendar year, so from January 1st. And I want to do that because I want you to be able to see how many applications we take in and how many we process. Because you see this long list every single month, you're seeing a list that's several or a couple pages long and that's just the events that are taking place within since the last meeting all the way up until the next meeting. That's what the window that we try to do. So again, a lot of events and as we move in the season, the events are going to continue to grow larger and larger. You can see some of the recreation numbers here, social media. If you do not follow us on social media, please do. A lot of information goes on that as well as our website. Excuse me. If you go on the website, we've tried to update and we'll continue to make some improvements there as well. Hawthorough and Tennis Center. On, I invite you in October 2nd to come to the City Council meeting at 830 if you're available. The Tennis Center did receive a National Award and they will be part of that presentation. So you can see kind of a picture of the preview right now, but I encourage you if you're available to please come to that because I think it'll be a great recognition for the hard work that staff has put in as well as that amazing tennis center that we have across the street. City doc right now the one thing I thought was really cool was they did an annual take of soldier fishing tournament that took place on September 14th, which was a great, I think, is a great event and I hope it continues to happen. So we were very fortunate that that was something that took place at our location. We're also preparing for a, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. And of course, the Labor Day weekend, as historically is, is a very busy voting day. So we saw a lot of people come through, and we're very fortunate to be able to do that. But we are working currently on filling the Marina Manager position. We are going to have to reopen that. We went through the interview process and we're very picky. We're not, we won't fill it just to fill it. So we want to continue to make sure that whoever we recruit is at a very high level and we've been fortunate to have some candidates but it's, again, there's expectations and we want to make sure that we're a good fit for both and we're a good fit for them and they're a good fit for us so we're gonna continue to move through that and we hope to be able to put somebody in front of you before too long and give you an introduction that is kind of a brief summary of the director and staff report if there's anything that I missed that you'd like to ask about please. We can do so at this time. when we Chattanoi presented earlier this year in front of City Council was a little bit of the challenge to see what this committee could do. Well, in that spirit, I talked to Chattanoi earlier this morning about what I would look at as the two hot button issues, maybe the peer and Cambier Park. And then we talked a little bit about the process of how we do our job. We listen carefully to Chad and Aaron as they represent community services. We listen to Council and the mayor, see what their expectations are. But to that end, I think it's been a little difficult for any of us if we have been asked by friends or neighbors, you know, what's up with the peer? Been a little bit hard to explain when the hurricane came through and took it out and where we are today, September 17th, 2024. So I'm wondering, Chad Naren, what your ideas are for how we can, I guess it really starts with how you report back to the mayor and council and then how that becomes public as to where the process really is without running a foul of, you know, transparency or any issues regarding construction bids, legal aspects, but I guess this is really just sort of the national inquiry, inquiring minds want to know, how do we best support all of our constituents in this? Yeah, so the peer project is a priority for the city, so it continues the work, but with everything, there's processes, and we have to make sure that we go through the proper processes so that we don't jeopardize financial resources. In this situation, we want to make sure we meet all of the female criteria so that we can qualify for the highest possible money so that doesn't fall back on taxpayer so You know that's part of being good stewards of taxpayer money is you know sometimes it's The the process is longer than what we would anticipate or that we would want But I can assure you that you you know, again, a team has been put together. The city manager has actually, has went through and put a project management team for the city to manage a lot of these larger projects, which include the city engineer. I'm a Parks and Rec guy. I went to school for Parks and Rec. I can speak to engineers to a certain extent, but it's always good to have an engineer speaking to another engineer. And these cases, especially projects like this. So we're fortunate to have a city engineer on staff, excuse me. And he's been working very diligently with them and there's weekly meetings that take place. So the best thing that I can tell you is that peer will be rebuilt and as fast as it can possibly be rebuilt with going through the processes in the proper way. We do have some of our representatives from state level and national level that are helping us as well and we're very fortunate to have that. So, the easiest thing is patience is not virtue, or not something that I'm very, it's easy for me. I've had to learn that going through this profession is sometimes you have to have patience. And again, when you go through permitting, you've got a lot of agencies in a project like this when you talk about the Army Corps on FDEP along with that you have US marine fisheries that is another agency that has to go through we have local permitting processes with natural resources and all of those are looking at this to make sure that there's not any environmental impacts as well as that everything's done. So whatever product you see, what's this is completed is safe and is quality and that we hope will last a lot longer than some of the other ones, but these storms can be pretty harsh. And it's never fun to go through the recovery process. And this happened to be one of the biggest damaged items that we had in the city. So. Thank you. And then regarding Canberra Park, I attended several of the public comment meetings and understand the challenge you have or community services has in not being able to in wanting to accept input and listen to users of CanBeer Park, but you can't snap your fingers and recreate it because those products and those processes are no longer used. They're not what you went to school for. Well, again, you talk about playgrounds that were built in the 90s, first as playgrounds that were built in NAL. And they look completely different. We're all, I was used to the, the Marigaw round, we call the, almost the circle of death at some point, and you're hanging on. But that was what we grew up. The metal slides with no mulch underneath. You slid down and if you were wet, you went really quick and you hit the ground really hard. If you were not wet and it was dry, you would go kind of slow and it wasn't real fun. But you know, things have just changed as evolved. And playgrounds, they have a lifespan just like anything else. And when a playground reaches its lifespan, and you've got, it's served the community for 20, 30 years, however long it's been, it's been a part of that community and most of the people know that. So it's always difficult. So the process that we're going through is we're wanting to make sure that, you know, I'm too big to be on the playground, so I'm not going to be on the playground. But we want to make sure that what we put out is something that the community's going to enjoy. So we do want to have that involvement. It's very important to have community feedback in these types of projects. And, you know, sometimes you have to go about it differently than what you've done before. This playground has a lot more sentimental value than maybe some of the other ones do. So that's why we're taking the necessary steps to kind of ensure that what we put out we did a survey, we got a lot of good feedback, and we've kind of put together a scope, and we feel that that scope will help kind of capture what we saw, and some of the feedback that we've gotten that just calls and emails, and so on. So we think that the best thing at this point is we want to have a conversation with City Council, so we anticipate that happen in upcoming and just let them know kind of where we're at and then what we would recommend and see how they fill on that and if they agree with that then we'll continue the project moving forward with that direction if they give us different direction then we'll continue the project and move it forward with that direction. If they give us different direction then we will adjust to that and pursue that direction. So I give you that to be as transparent as I can but also to let you know that we're still trying to work through it and it's very important to the community, but it's almost a thing where I want to make sure that we still remain in a proactive state of mind, meaning that we are addressing it before something breaks on it that I can't fix. And I don't want to get to that point. I've had that happen one time in my career and it was a playground that we were trying to work through and figure out what we're gonna do. And we're gonna locate it. And I always said that I don't want that to happen again. It was just a, you never know. It's these playgrounds are used. And that one's used very heavily. The one at Flashman Parks used very heavily. I think I want to almost say every playground we've got used heavily. The one at Baker Park is used heavily as well. But this is another project that we're going to continue to work on and we'll bring it back. This committee is going to be very heavily involved once we get a direction of how we want to proceed. And we like to scope this. You're going to see more playground pictures and designs than you probably want it to see. So if you want to start practicing, you can look online and look at different playground designs. But we anticipate this being a very fun project. I know I've talked with a lot of people that are very passionate and it's been very beneficial for me because they give me a perspective from their side. And I think that's important. Again, I've got a 13-year-old. So I don't, she's playground is kind of behind now. She does every once in a while, she'll jump on one, but I've watched her when she was playing on playgrounds and it really helped me be able to determine what features people really like, so that's helped me in my profession as well. But yeah that's kind of a brief update as much as I can on that project. Right well thank you and for the members of Community Service Advisory Board as you talk to the public I think it would help community service Chad this board in the city to point out that yes there will be change because the playground is no longer safe. I've been there a hundred times with my six grandchildren who range from 18 month old to a six to two six-olds, they love it, but it will not remain the same, because basically it is not up to current 2024 standards. I'm not sure it was up to 2014 standards. Chad would know that, but there will be change. We can't keep it exactly the same. Say John Q. Public, what are your ideas about how we, how we do something different? Yeah, because if nothing else, I heard at the meeting that several of the folks who were there were saying don't change it. And that's not going to happen. Really? So I want to just add that, again, as more of a proactive approach now, I want people to think that the playground is currently unsafe. We have playground safety inspectors on staff, and we're able to have maintenance guys that go in and inspect this as well. What you look at is again you look at a playground that Over time they developed new safety standards and those safety standards change from year to year to year Well when you look at a playground that is Was built in the 90s the the current safety standards are Are a lot different. So it doesn't mean that it's dangerous by no means. What we don't want it to become is something that would be a liability, the last thing in the world that we want as a child to be injured. So that's why we do what we do and we try to make sure that when we have to identify that time and a lot of times it's very difficult to do and we don't take it lightly and we feel that we've reached that point so we want to try to go ahead and work through and give the community time to be involved in this because again if you talk to the people that love candy cane city I believe is what it was called they were just as passionate about candy cane city when that playground was built as the people are with this current one so you know it'd go through it's always interesting and if we didn't have a passionate community about it, that means that people probably don't use it. So we're also, it's a positive thing and we encourage the involvement and we want to make sure that that involvement is something that can help us to move forward. Thank you. Item nine, of communications. Anything on anybody's mind? I have one, an issue. So the other day somebody brought this up to me and I actually went down and checked it out and I agree with them. I don't know if we have any input on this but if you go, if you look at the stretch along 12th, basically from the city dock, all the way to the pier, right? You, there used to always be a little dirt trail. There was never an official cut through there, behind the parking lot, behind Tommy, Bahama. And now we have this huge construction project, what I don't even know what that's gonna be. It's right there at the corner of Gordon and Broad. And they put in a new fence and a bunch of plants and totally blocked that area off. So now if there's anybody like walking or running or riding bikes, trying to go for me the third down towards the pier or to go all the way down that stretch. It's completely blocked. So your options then are you have to go south to 13th, which does not have sidewalks, or you have to go all the way around this giant hole and all the construction. It seems like there should be a way through there. I mean, it's, you know, you could come off, could come turn right at sea salt there through the parking lot and get back to where the parking is for the pier. But now you can't get through there at all. There's a big fence. And I mean, I know that's not our fence. That's probably on their private property, whoever runs that shopping area, but it seems like there ought to be a little pathway there. There's a big crosswalk in everything there already. Yeah, so you're talking about the development that's happening right there, that intersection that used to be the open lot, and I'm assuming you're referring, I was trying to pull up a map to see if I can see. Yeah, so, like if you just look at the map. Yeah, I can see a dirt trail just to the north of sea salt along the backside of the building. Or the side of the building, I should say. Yeah, so if you turned, yeah, if you went, if you went towards the pier at the back edge, that, what's that? That, you know what I'm talking about that if you go all the way through the parking lot that's behind Tommy Bahama you used to be able to cut through that little dirt trail it's it's totally blocked off maybe it would be that would mean so you know that obviously is as private property So it's not really anything if they had some kind of trail that people were utilizing that's not really something at our side maybe a conversation with third Avenue they've got Neapolitan Yeah, to maybe have a conversation with them to find out a little bit of information. I'll do the same. I know the representatives there, but you know, there's not really something that I can or that the city can do because it was probably a trail that just people created on the moon. Right. Once that's developed, I don't know what it would look like. Now, I could potentially see if planning has some kind of site plan that's drawn up and I can shoot it over to the committee and say, because I'm sure it's on public records somewhere. But I can send it over that way. You'll see kind of what's being developed and whether or not they have any kind of walking pass that are going to exist after it's complete. That's really best I can offer on that situation. Okay. Anything else? So one thing that has occurred to me since the Central Abidian renovation began, boy, if you just go down there and take one look, you will be startled at the effect of no trees, no big tall trees. And it just really points out why it's so important to us as the tree board to be mindful of visually how that affects you. Your eye gets drawn up out long view. Short view. It's amazing. It will look, of course, beautiful once it's finished. But right now, in the absence of any tall trees, you're driving, you're just shocked. You're thinking, what happened? The concrete jungle. Yeah. Yeah. But if you haven't seen it, take a look, because you'll be surprised. No further member, communications, moved to adjourn. Can I get a second? A second. All in favor? All right. Hi. All in favor? All right. All right. All right. you you you you you