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I'm Margaret for some on president. Great. Well, welcome to both of you. on the subject. Right? I'm Margaret Forkson, I'm President of the Ballet Trip Center. Great, well, welcome to Ballet Trip Center. I'm going to do it. Right? I'm sorry, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have not seen any new conditions. OK. So I just realized I don't know the procedure there. So I think that's something. So I would say a common petition. OK. So there you go. There are also the petitions, which is do you have any? Is there something you wanted to address to the board? Do you have anything? Yeah, I've been curious on occasion since I work all time. I frequently go library on weekends. I've noticed that the library is closed to getting board on the Royal Day at the beginning of the fourth labor day. And I did a cursory review of the surrounding libraries and none of them have those days off. So I had some email communication to support and justine. And I just like more clarification as to why the library decided that those days prior to holiday, the library would be closed. Again, did you want to? Sure. Go ahead. So I do believe that Fairfax DC and Arlington are all closed on Easter, which is coming up. And then we are occasionally closed to give staff a break in since people who work would have two or three days off on those weekend and our staff would have one less than that too. So we are occasionally closed to give staff a break. We also are closed because that allows us for some cleaning projects. For example, at the upcoming long weekend Memorial Day or Labor Day, I'm hoping to get our carpets in Windows clean and that's something that we need an extended closure to do. But are employees tired knowing that weekends are part of their duties? Are we do have staff members that work, I believe, almost every weekend? And so for those employees, they do get an opportunity to have a little bit of time off. Well, it sounds like Fulcerton the only library that has this benefit. None of the other libraries and Barley, Tinnor, Fairfax that I look at have that need to take that to quote to provide where we spread other things. Are you talking about the day before Memorial Day or the day before Labor Day? Yes. That I'm not sure that I can definitely look up. But I thought, I've had a little bit of their calendar and none of them have had that day off before the holiday. Sure. So I would say that those are larger systems and they have more staff to draw from and we have a smaller group here. Janice? That was one of the questions I was going to ask. Does it boil down to staff? And because we're a small a system. We are a smaller system. So for example, in Arlington, if they were short staffed on a long weekend, they would have more staff to drop from to keep things open. I would say that... in our island there are only two branches that are open on Sunday's support. On Sundays, that's just a different thing. Yeah. Are the only ones so there are less libraries that are open on Sundays. Yeah. And from working in our island, I can tell you that if your library, if your branch was closed on Sunday, you work at a different branch on that Sunday. So like, for example, I was the branch manager that I wrote a health, and we were closed on Sundays, but my staff and I went and worked at Columbia and Picon Sundays. So was it a budget issue? For a really, you don't have enough staff to cover those things? You know, this is making work first here as the kind of the library. So I think it would be great if you were looking to that. Yeah, I would be happy to mention that. Because that's probably a legacy thing that has even here. So it would be great if you could just do a deeper dive into those days when they're up and when they're closed with the reasons are. Sure. Then you will have to answer off the top of your head. Sure. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Any questions from the board on the ground? No, I think I think that was a very good suggestion. I'm going to. And you know, I think if I guessed it would also be relatively speaking a budget and number just literally numbers of staff to be able to give people you know, an occasional break but that's a guess. And to add that we did increase, right? Increase the number of staff and just reach the number of... Well in the end and the summer we've gone to ours so we've gone and increased our our our Sunday hours. It's an hour of it all in theaters that supplement the staff? We do not. We have staff runner our library. So our desks are staffed by people who are staff. And that is so that we can have the level of customer service that we require in a library and also the depth and breadth of services that happens at a public library. A library is more akin to a school than a Starbucks. It has the depth and breadth of services that you find in the school and that's because we have really talented staff here. So you never entertain training volunteers to even check out the do not check out this? We have volunteers who will do things like shell books for us. We have volunteers who work in our technical services department. Moving on books, I am happy to look at libraries that maybe use volunteers on services steps. So I'm not aware of any. And again, that's so that you get the professionalism and the depth of breadth of services that you have to expect all library. Thank you. Very informative. Appreciate that. It's a good question. There's nothing else we can move on. And move on to the minutes from our prior meeting. Did anyone have any corrections that needed to be made? Okay, take that as note. In that case, can I get a motion to approve minutes? Okay, in a second. Two seconds. All in favor? I? Okay. Four. I have T-Meghan Library Board, announcements. Wonderful. And I should add, I hope, those votes say for those meetings. Yeah. Welcome. Welcome to that. Wonderful. So I provided you in the packets our statistics. So you should have those handy. I will say, how it is in the end closures, we are closed on April 20th. On Thursday, April 24th, there will be a meeting for all city staff and the library will also be closed on that day. So that staff can attend that all city meeting. May days, what day is that? That's April 24th. There's an off-dap meeting at the, I believe it's the Baptist, just the venue that we're using, so we can accommodate all staff at City. May 6th will also be closed from one to three for a city staff event. And then on a Thursday or Friday in May, we'll be closed for a few hours to hold a staff meeting. I haven't finalized that date yet because I have not yet had a staff meeting. And it's been six months since I have been directors. We're very happy to have the six month anniversary and having had the opportunity to a staff day yet. Our staff meeting, staffing updates, our 40 hour technical services, live races and two position has been built internally. They're exciting. We had some really great internal candidates and the let in tech services and the selection committee did a wonderful job interviewing those candidates and reviewing their resumes. This means that we have a 20 hour library, one big and B, and we also have a big and page position. I'm coming programs. I have several that I'm excited about. If you hang around to a clothing, you'll hear a poetry reading because it's national poetry month. So at clothing, we've been reading poems over the loudspeaker. Mine is tomorrow. So, you know, you want to pop in? I listen to my read of poems for the great. So did the staff choose? Did you want to staff choose the poems? And I read poems chose. Yeah, it was it was staff volunteered to read the poem over the last big red clothing and then staffed to choose the poem. That's fun. Yeah, for national poetry mom it's just a little bit of poetry in your day. April 19th we have finding story time. So with Kathy and McMillan who is the author of Little Hand Science Series and she'll be doing sign language vocabulary for children. April 26th, like I said, National poetry month. So we have Charter phrase which is a poetry reading and which has a musical response component. Author 27, we have an author talk and that will be the 15th anniversary of the deep water horizon oil spill. So the author Sharon wish now will come and talk about for novel pelican, pelican tide. I'm really pleased to say that we're also going to have a resume writing workshop. And the leader of that has helped people with their resumes in a wide variety of fields of formats, including government, private sector and NGO settings that the anticipate. Good response to and that will be a great resource for anybody who's looking to change their resume maybe from one sector to another. This time. What was the deal? April 30th. And we have an outside person who has masters degree in English and is an expert in writing resumes to really have to be offering that. Make there, we have controlling basic plants in your yard. And two health programs, may 7th and 10th, some be a program on product pain and on May 10th we have a program on learning about the strengths and challenges of living with sensory processing sensitivity and high empathy. Another timely program. I also want to be in our equity section of our work. I'm working with other state departments to work on plans for Pride Month. We'll have some programs for that and some displays which I'm excited about. And then last month, I attended the Virginia Public Library Directors Association conference, which was fantastic. I got to tease some of my colleagues in the neighboring libraries and also learn a little bit more about Virginia geography. Turns out we touched on a theme. I didn't feel that. I don't know. I don't know. It's the library director here. You're from where? And you're asked that is fun. But I got to speak, especially with director from Fairfax and the director from I can't say it have a lot of keys and a lot of cars. Rahul and, yeah, there you go. That was really lovely and I'm also so pleased to tell you that we won two awards at that Director conference that I submitted this for, which is for impactful marketing and outreach campaign, and that was for the 125th anniversary. And then all of those, yeah, so we got, I jumped up, but so excited. Actually, and then for outstanding staff member, and that goes to Paul Haw Hawkins for her work on the 125th. And I'm very excited to get those awards. I drove straight from the conference here so I could give Pauli hers and that's very nice. And then we'll also be receiving the BPLDA gold standard for excellence again this year. So really for you over. And then the next trustee meeting is made 21st. I don't have the foundation here tonight, so I just wanted to also say that last week was National Library Week and the foundation had volunteers bring library staff treats throughout the week, which I just really appreciated. And that was a wonderful way to celebrate National Library Week and National Library Workers Appreciation Day. So thank you Foundation. Any questions on the report? Not for anyone. There was somebody sitting outside on Saturday morning, maybe. Oh yeah, that gave us a new sitting up front. Yeah. Yeah, she was the stickers and stuff. Yeah, your library. So that's about the shoes., she was a filter person. So, when I, the number of times we did have to ask her to go across the street, be sure to do, have a policy about soliciting. So, we said thank you, we appreciate your support. And she was totally fine. And she was totally fine with going across the street. So we appreciated that report for National Library Week, but... That was my name, your last word. Oh, really? So kind. But I'm actually trumpet out there with a hat out when he was about 11 years old. And he never got chewed away. Oh Oh really? So I guess you got under the radar. OK. OK. If you get under the radar, that's terrific. OK. Great. We don't know what the foundation report would have been, which was that they brought treats and celebrated national and flag. Oh, they also had a fundraiser at the original candidate cost. Oh, right. Yeah. And do you know how they did with that I don't know how they did for funding I can say that we did have staff and city members go so that was lovely yeah um I don't know if the recreation center still closed or are they having actual programs there and if they're not are you seeing that increase? People coming here? They are they are closed. I can look into those to just get back to you. I mean we those are monthly assisted are up and that might be a reason why if you look at our our monthly statistics. That one is a packet I I believe that I saw that that we had a increased in certain areas and an increase in visits. Yeah. Pretty sensitive. That's a thousand out in this and that's, you know, correlation is not causation, but that might be. So my reason. Yeah. We're seeing the interest in our public leaders, I thought I said anecdotally. Okay, and was there any, oh, sorry, I'm going to move up to your next. So you counsel report. On Monday nights, the council has the ADU ordinance unanimously, She's major. There was a lot of compromise. There were a lot of back and forth and you know in the end not if everybody was not happy. Which means it was a great compliment. Yeah. So that is pass. So now if you have a backyard and you want to build an ADU and it fits within the parameters that we set I, can you do that by right? Oh, yeah. I think I was responsible for that. It's 10 feet if you're one and a half stories and 8 feet if you are one story. And there's an opportunity for a special use permit to go to 5 feet, but that would require going through the plan of commission and the BGA and working with your neighbors to get to 5 feet. So that was a big hold up. The other thing was owner occupancy. That's something that our lieutenant Alexander have written into their ordinances that you must, one of the buildings must be occupied by an owner. Our city attorney looked at that and felt that based upon her interpretation of the current loan that we should not do that. We would be setting ourselves up for problems. However, we were able to put in there at the last minute, Aaron Flynn, who was a lawyer, was reviewing things. When you put in the permits, the building must be owner, the residents must be owner occupied. So if you want to put one in your backyard and then you have to move to France. Yeah, you could rent both of them, but at the time of the Billy permit and the occupancy department, the owner must look there. So that is a little bit. But yeah, we're really pleased. I think the expectation is there going to be fewer than 10 a year and all of those things that exist in, like garages and studios and other outbuildings could be converted to ADUs. They'll also have to go through a process with the BZA to get theirs to be converted. So we'll see. And then we ask for the next three years, every 12 months to get an update on where we are. Are we hearing from people to go into the planning office that really want to do it, but eight feet is too much ever burdened? Are we hearing people that think this is great? Or, you know, it's not cheap, right? Well, in the land, but the actual building in the house, they're still going to the house. It's a's a $100 dollar because you have to move out your gas and your electricity and your water and all the other stuff has to get added and plus you have to do the grading and all that. But it is an option and now people have that option to have a separate ADU in the yard if they can fit in within a crack or so. Congrats on how many total meetings was done. Oh my gosh. Just like 40 or something. I don't know. I think it was more like 98. In the report, it said how many meetings at hand, your midnight meeting, what would the midnight meeting be? And it was a midnight meeting. There were like many, many open-ass, you're going to the library and in the community and letters. But that was also a commitment on our part that the tease on legislation. Creative lot of unnecessary confusion and anger and you know division in the community. And so when we start this process we're much more intentional about. We're doing them why we're doing it and how we were engaged in the community and listening to people. There still was one lady, I don't know if you were there and you heard her, but she was so still angry at us and said terrible things about how terrible city council was. Last month? Yeah, yeah. You must have left before her. And it was super like I was sitting my seatbelt. What? But that's democracy, right? That's huge. She's mad and I'm just mad. It doesn't Doesn't happen very often. Yeah, and there really were people who were far, far apart. So coming together. Actually, the next day I was reflect, and I was like, the world made me a bit of a mess. The democracy is a live and well and false church. For that reason, I like that. Get in that stuff. And give it take. point some we got together and if you were really angry at sitting down so you're allowed to say it and she didn't get arrested. She just said what she wanted to say. So, we're for Taze. That's a good chance. The shirts are something democracy is something. Democracy is like, I can't. Yeah, so that was that was quite a relief to get that one off our place because we the council self has been dealing with dealing with about a year But prior to that it had been on our work plan for more than a year And then there were community meetings that deepest did and the league of owners did before council even Started so there was a lot of lead up to that so that was good to like check that off list and we'll see what happens Um, we are in the middle of the budget process and that is not quite as joyful. It's a little painful. We've been the CFO had estimated about a 5.9% revenue increase, which was nice. And the school board built their budget based upon that. But as you can imagine, the national events are affecting our little budget. So, meal tax was not as projected last month, and sales tax is down a bit, and so there's concern that it was only a little bit of information, so is that just a blip, where's that at trend? So she's revising her revenue estimates down a little bit. So now we have to barter over the next month to come up with. Do we ask the schools to cut their budget and ask the general government to cut their proposed budget to keep the tax rate at a reduction or do we, not reduce the tax rate, which increases taxes on how long there's businesses. So that's where we are. So it's not a fun spot to begin, but we'll get through it. And the budget vote is May 12th, Monday, May 12th, I believe. And then, yeah. And then Robert was at the Council meeting because there's another concern about those who live in condos. Yeah, that's what happened. Well, nothing has happened yet. So it's one of those situations where this has been happening for a long time, where if you live in a condo, you pay an HOA fee to have your trash and recycling. But you're also paying it in the tax rates. So condo owners in your community. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I'm going to be there. Now we're. Oh, use live in a condom. Right. Right in a condom. Yeah, the sound houses are commercial property. Right. Right. So as we look at that, it's just one of those, we kind of have to work our way through. My concern is that it came up a lot during the budget process. And it's really hard to be writing the policy and figuring out the budget all at the same time. So some people are saying, let's just do it, put it in, and then we'll figure it out by December. And other people are saying,'s just do it, put it in and then we'll figure it out by December. And other people are saying let's have a STEM group and let's really figure out the right way to do this because if we do it the biggest beneficiary of this whole thing would be Mill Creek because they're not going to give a benefit so they're apartment renters even if they have their tax revenue juice. So we're trying to figure out a way to do it. So we're fair to pound the owner. So yeah, without right, handing the apartment complex owner or saying the same thing. Johnny benefit and as well as commercial buildings, although they do pay for their attrash, but it's not like the apartment building is gonna say, okay, well if you're gonna reduce our taxes as much we're gonna reduce our rents. That's not gonna be much. That's gonna be too bad. No, I will say as a high-go owner when I knew about this, which was just a couple of days before we reached out. I was like, I'm doing what? Right, right. So people didn't really, it was just one of those things like the C-counsel didn't even really know how, so we don't know how widespread it is. We don't know how many, we just, we could move fast and break things or we could take it easily. But that would mean that condolences would have another year of paying this and then we would be able to fix it. So that's where we're working on. And then the other thing we're trying to figure out is how to make organic recycling easier for more people. We have the compost bin, but not a ton of people use them and they're highly subsidized by the cities make it all happen. So how do we go to the next level where Every house has a compost bin and every it's part that's also part of what you're doing. So those are two other big issues. I can't think of anything else. Before this meeting I listened to the little reindeer meeting on Monday on video and you guys put a little work into the next question. Yeah it was quite quite amazing. Yeah. There were about 10 people around the table. And it was like, wow, this is intricate. Right. Right. I was impressed. It's much more complex than, no, I'm paying an extra $30. We'll just change it. There's a lot more in there. So that's where we're trying to get it right up. So we'll see. Thanks for that. Yes, yes. I think that's all. Oh, and then all these businesses are opening. Yeah, and some are actually. Two, what do we, and I thought, well, like think that's all. Oh, and then all these businesses are opening. Yeah, some are going to say too. What do we think about what's well like new to you close? Oh, next to Brad. We're at Western parts of the French Cargo building with the soul. And then they'll need to enter you and access a sign on it. Yeah, they're trying to sell their building too. Sure. A lot of these are long time business owners, Oh, it's by people. Right. Whose children don't want the businesses or are ready to move on to their next thing. So Welsh printing closed. Yes. So he was just, yeah. Right. Yeah. And he owned that business for a long time and he sold it to someone else. So he's gone and they've already sold it to someone else. And then he's been, that was right. So I don't know if it's like a generation change that we're losing businesses. I don't think it's like the rent's too high because the grounds building has been sold to someone that say, yeah. And that's gonna be the restaurant. That's concerning, because it's becoming, it's all nothing but but restaurant so it's opposed to being used or all words sort of like a deep vote for people who deliver food, one of those firms that delivers like door dash or something like the ghost kitchen. I speak to my friends. Yeah. That's a That's a real bummer. It may also have a eating like a counter. But I don't know like, I don't know how it's going to work. I don't know how that makes my... For some, but if they're kind of in a building, for the only lot of renovations too, for a tiny little building, right? It seems like a lot. And one of the things that brass people across people's minds that you know it really old building. The best dose. Yeah. Yeah. So there will be a bit of renovation to come. But the building itself is not. It's too small to get torn down and have anything else go in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. And I guess the old fridge with new to you. So the new to use space wrapper will be part of it too. Okay, so it'll be a little bit bigger. This all one built. Yeah, I'll know. So the new space router will be part of it too. So it'll be a look. It is all one building. Yeah. So we'll figure out that one. The lobster room. But the lobster place is open up the West End. And there's a I saw a sign for something else in Founders' Row, kind of closer to St. James. Some kind of diner or something. Oh, the Chinese fusion chase on, that's on Broad Street. Yeah. A step south, this is a pretty area. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's coming. So I'm right over here. Yeah. But I think by May, it's supposed to be here, but they tell us about the same thing. It's probably a couple of other things. But that's a little bit concerned, though, the meals tax and stuff is down. It has, it's got a bunch of brush drops. Thank you. I find it very concerning too that we are opening all these restaurants. But that's a little bit concerned though, if the meals tax and stuff is down. It is, and it's got a bunch of brush drops. Thank you. And I find it very concerning too, that we are opening all these restaurants. And yeah. And the meals tax is not thriving. And we open Whole Foods. Right. So one of the things, one of the reasons it's down to a sales tax is down, which is internet tech. So when you buy something online, You pay taxable search, so a lot of these construction projects buy some of their big stuff online. So some of the taxes are from construction projects that it's not just like you and me buying on Amazon or whatever. So that that made me part of why that's down, but it has built it. And so we're keeping an eye on it because it's like all the, I don't know, I don't know what could be done about it, but it's like all the interesting specialty stores. I think it's used to be that super bit YouTube and video game store that was where the whole foods is now that have moved somewhere that's not as convenient to get to. So the things like the new to you that's moved somewhere else. So it's just kind of like, you can't walk down and chop, chop, chop. Yeah, it's a little bit like, yeah, but please let's say what could be. Did Newty move or did she move? She moved to McLean just the time on the door. Okay. There was the day I walked by. Oh, I don't know, but I moved to a new edition. I was like, I'm a good student at this. Strip walls in the claim and she's very excited because you'd have more parking. That's the whole church. Oh, yeah. She thought the parking book was coming. And then the last thing is just we're also keeping an eye on. People have lost jobs. And what's happening with federal government, their contractors for federal government employees. And we had a presentation two weeks ago from the Council of Governments and the Northern Virginia Regional Commission. pictures. Super, you know, everything you hear here, you're hearing now is here in this presentation and I'm going to say 13% of false church citizens have jobs tied to our federal government. So that's another reason why people, like, if you're worried that you're going to lose your job where you have what you're not going not to eat it, Ellie Bergerna. Yes, so. Do you happen to know whether anyone in Thomas Lee's buildings? People like if you're worried, they can go to a lose job where you have what you're not going out to eat at Ellie birds. Yeah, so You happen to know whether anyone is on this list in buildings and federal government I ask because I have something about an omission like it has this huge percentage like 38% of its real estate It's a GSA or something. And GSA is re-boking its contract. So I just want to make that effect. Well, I think we do. We have government contractors here that run space. But I'm pretty sure we don't have any federal governments. That could be, that could be our final thing. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not aware of any either. Yeah. I know that is a problem in Ireland too. Yeah. Well. So those are the big things coming up. And then there's like Arbor Day on Saturday, the farmer's market, so go Arbor Day, I'm sure you'll be there, June. And there's a Boltz Day. That's a Saturday, it's a super Saturday. Yeah. We're in Spain a lot of traffic. It's mulch, egg hunt. Oh, egg hunt. And, um, uh, our birthday. Yeah, mulch, egg hunt. So it's mulch day, our birthday egg hunt day. And so, uh, there will probably not be a lot of party announcement on Saturday. No, it's going to be a lot of tree. I mean, you have to do a lot of it. I'm sorry, I'm going to go to a tree from like a pineal stilphabets, I'm going to be a balcony. I tried that one and in the roots. Okay. Okay. Mary, thank you. That was. Sorry. I want to look at that. Please. No. We're happy to hear. Did we have anything about arts and humanities? I did not get. I did not get it. Okay. Actually, she gave her report on that at our last meeting because we had to meeting a week later. So that's right. The meeting she would be reporting on today. She reported on last time. Okay. Got it. Yes. Okay. Anything from anyone that's not on the agenda? I have two super quick things. Sure. For the stats, I noticed that there was a little blurb in that high-choch chart about the cards and all that. The part about removal of expired cards was going to be. Is that a thing that's going forward in the data or is the past data have expired cards in it? It's going forward. So the system that we use to catalog our books and also check our materials in and out, we have a system where card holders can get a temporary V card and then come in to convert that into a normal card. And we've had a little bit of inconsistency around how long we count temporary cards that have not been turned into permanent cards. And moving forward, we're doing it going to be kind of more consistently. So right now, I mean, you didn't actually really see a dip, but you kind of, you change, and then going forward those statistics will be more. Consistent. I hope. Any other stuff that was double checking on the lights of the downstairs conference room? Lighting the downstairs conference room. They, okay, so the lights of the downstairs conference room, Claire then invested in interest in this, think that she tends to the program. I told her they were ever following her. She was, thank you. I'm very, very nice to meet you quickly. I trust you. She went on to double check. Yeah, because she was all, I think they're fine. But time will tell. So, yes. So in other rooms, when there has been floodgrain lights, The solution has been to change from a dimmer switch to a monof switch. And that change has been made in the Niles of the conference room. Cool. So we are really hoping that that means that it's fixed. If you on Sunday find that to not teach room at your program, please let me know. So that's good. I think they have this move dinner here for the next one. But I can turn the lights on down there. I want them to share what their timeline would be on fixing that. So they move you up here for this coming Sunday. Okay. And I think possibly we've booked you in the bowl of the East Virginia. But it should be fixed. Awesome. You can do something. The things for checking the process. And it all means that aren't any grumblands if the switch is the latest. That's good to know. I have a lighthouse. You know, like the light bulb. Yeah, we know they should be light bulb and then the dimmer switch. Yeah, they switched it to an on off switch and then the dimmer switch. I had the fight in nickel for how many times people said, Oh, did you double check to make sure the dimmer's not like an in-between setting? Yes. We all collectively have a check. And that gaming group that means on Sundays, I think that they push the limits, but it gets really good at Monday. So we'll push the limits of how many people we can fit when it's up here, which is why it's better to have it downstairs. That's a big element. Of course, what am I saying? The big... Down to the... Is a bigger room. How many people come to? And 30. 30, yeah. Sometimes up to 15. Oh, that's wow. Yeah. Because we have an overessential too, which is in the auditorium over in central, and that one gets big. But I mean, we fill the whole space and these are adults. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. If you think this Claire and I were both volunteers at Ireland and his game fuss. Yeah. I think one year and two 800 people. Yeah. And we had a game. It's been a long. Four games. Four games. I ran the D&D room. Yeah. It's a board games and kind of the flavor of pretend and up. Yeah. Every time I go, I play a game I've never heard of or never played. And so if they have people can either bring their own games and you know, teach people in play or you can a couple of the organizers will bring from their collection, people to borrow, and they'll have established teachers to teach and play. And that's a partnership with Northern Virginia board game association. No more games. It's to the point. And so they host programs here and they also host programs. This one. Definitely recommend checking it out. I'm thankful. I know. I know you have games. Yes. Okay. Um, do you have any questions for us? Anyone to add in? Okay. Um, if that's the case, we don't have anything else. Um, can I get a motion to adjourn? That room that we adjourn. As second. Very good. All clear. All right. We're adjourned. Thank you very much for coming. Thank you. Very soon. Well, it's the care. We're really going to. I mean, we just want to say that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you