If you got to get Corrigan, that's not a bad place to be Corrigan. Where? Hey, Con. Yeah, it's tough here. I've really been struggling. My heart is breaking. I'm sure it is. Actually, I've been gone. I'm actually really anxious to get home now. It's it's time. All right folks, well it's 930. It is the 20th of August and we are here for our Tuesday at regular meeting. As always, we will start our Tuesday meeting with public comment. I know that we have a gentleman in the office audience who'd like to share something. And if you would mind stepping to the podium, just letting us know your name and if you're representing an organization, and you'll have three minutes. Thank you. My name is Gregory Mayer. I live at 21 365 US 40. That's the millner. I live in the mobile home park, bought 19 and I came this morning to maybe I don't know if you're aware but I want to provide some information to the housing issue they were having with the with the park. The private owner a Miss Foss sold the park in 2021 to an outfit from Texas for $3.7 million and It is on the market now for eight million dollars Colorado law gives the residents first first dips. During also during the time that this outfit from Texas, we don't even, it's a shell corporation called known or mobile home park limited liability. Its board is made up of 10 other private companies that are made up of other companies. In the four years that they've owned the park, they've doubled the rent most recently by 30 percent, just in one fell swoop. So we don't really, and there's been no improvements at all. So we'd love to not be dealing with these people The community The community were attempting to form a resident own community We have an ad hoc group that I'm a part of and several of our other bunch of our residents and We're looking into alternatives to how to create, how to form a resident-owned community in the mobile home park. Unfortunately, after running down a lot of dead ends, we've kind of learned the sort of the obvious thing is that Milner is one of Rout County's little lost stepchildren. It's not even a statutory city, just unincorporated Route County. We are, therefore, the city of Steamboat Springs cannot provide any financial assistance. The Ampavalli Housing Authority can't provide any financial assistance. Hayden cannot provide any financial assistance. We approach them all and they are all offering us expertise assistance and connections and help with that. I just wanted to let you all know that we are in need of a lot of help. We basically, we don't know how to do this, where we're approaching a couple outfits in Colorado. You might have heard of one called Thistle, and another one called Safe Connections. These are organizations that help exactly this issue. Small mobile home parks, particularly, purchase them from their owners. We're just kind of getting into it right now. We don't know, we're having a meeting this evening At the park if anyone if you would like to attend we'd love to have you for information purposes wouldn't call on you to speak or anything But we're having some folks from the Yampa housing the Yampa Valley housing authority present us information about This model that this company fissile with works with works with a big lender called Rock USA Capital. How they fund these things and make these things work. Yeah, Pavilion Housing Authority has never worked with them before. So they've been kind of pursuing this though, seeing this coming with some of the mobile home parks that they're interested in dealing with. So they're very much in tune with this but they've not done any business with them. Yes, but they're giving us this presentation tonight at the park. That's all I had. I just wanted to say thank you for your time and would appreciate we're going to be obviously pursuing the county for assistance of all kinds. And I guess Tim were in your district so we're going to become good friends. Well, thank you very much for coming out today. We typically don't engage in a dialogue here at public comment, but I wanted to just thank you for being here and let you know we are aware of the situation we have received another email. We typically have some free time on our Monday morning sessions where we can talk about issues that are not necessarily on our agenda. So Commissioner Corrigan who is online with us is our representative at the Empobali Housing Authority. And I'm sure you've been an update on the meeting this evening and be able to bring to us some information about how we might be able to work with you folks if there's a possibility of something that we can do to help. I will be out of town this evening, so unfortunately I will not be able to attend the meeting this evening, but we appreciate the invitation. Thank you very much. I know we normally don't engage, but one you said in the park. No, it's just, yeah. It's a well-knowner mobile home park and the time, uh, seven o'clock, seven o'clock. And I know we're not supposed to engage. I'd like to ask you a question. Have you reached out to Dola, the vision of local affairs? Yes, we have. Okay. Yep. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks again for being here. Thank you. All right. So we are moving smartly along with our agenda, which has disappeared. Thank you to Sydney. Our next item is our approval of accounts payable manual warrants and payroll. Jay, do you have something for us today? Sure. Some payments of note today, a GMCO work for 47,724. That's a payment on our MAG project. Old castle, Southwest Group, $251,457. That's Blade Patch. That's where we buy the asphalt directly from the plant. EP Blazer LLC, 54,575. That's the EV Blazer for public works. That's our third of those. NV5 Consultants Inc. 40,000. That's on the solar project. That's actually for payments on NV5. Oco works for $49,585. That's for engineering and project management on the milliner and Peeberg wastewater projects. And then Redmond Brothers, $11,834. That's gravel for roads in South route. Our AP today is $1,772,770 plus payroll of $1,029,595 for total disbursement today of $2,802,365, and 72 cents. Madam Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve the accounts payable presented by the county manager with the items of no. Second. All right. We have a motion to second. Any further discussion? All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Once again, unanimous consent. I'm that wonderful. We have our environmental health folks today and I know that we know both of you, but if you wouldn't mind just stating your name for our minutes, take her. She is newly in that role and we need to make sure she knows who you are. But Chris Peters, environmental health specialist, Scott Kalman, director of environmental health. Thank you. Who's going to take it away? I'll take Environmental Health. Thank you. Who's gonna take it away? I'll take it away, thank you. First of all, we need to be meeting as the Board of Health. So I don't know if you just put that in a notes or what needs to happen, but this is a Board of Health. Thank you. Yeah, let's just go ahead and note that, well, Madam Chair, you should probably make some statement that we are convening as the Board of Health. All righty, we are convening as the Board of Health to hear this item. Okay, thank you very much. So this is a public hearing for adoption of licensing requirements from Regulation 43 for onsite wastewater treatment systems. And so basically what we're doing is updating our regulations for these licensing requirements. We tabled this item a couple of weeks ago based on some feedback we got from the attorneys and was actually the wrong version of the updates went up for review by CDPHE. Didn't incorporate some of the changes that were recommended by our attorneys. The changes weren't substantial, but we wanted to make sure that we are dotting our eyes and crossing our teeth. So we tabled until today. And so we'll send that back to the CDPHE. Within five days, we assume that they'll approve those changes. They already approved the other version in that the changes aren't substantial. And then this all becomes official in 45 days after this adoption, presuming that the board adopts changes to the local regs, and then also the updates are approved by CDPHE. So Scott, I was not here when you heard this previously. Is there anything specific that you'd like to call out with this other than the procedural things that you just described? No. No. Okay. Do folks have any questions for the team here? No, I do not. No, I appreciate the work that environmental health is done to bring this forward. I think it's a good step in the direction of protecting the health safety and welfare of our citizens. We know from some of our peer counties, some of the problems they've run into with unregulated wastewater systems. So I think this is a good thing. And I'm definitely going to support this. Well, I will tell you that from my previous life as a mechanical contract and plumbing contractor, I can't think of anything I really would want to support much more than this. I have seen some things in my dairy that made my skin crawl. So this is good. So you referred to a previous life, what did you do with that life that caused you to be punished by being reincarnated as a county commissioner? You still doing it, That's the thing. Yeah, well, you know, there are two things that are considered necessary evils, plumbers, and county commissioners. Okay, there you go. This is great. And it seems to me if I recall correctly, the reason that we brought this on is to try to get this situation a little more under control and have a point person and make sure that we're compliant with all the regs. So it seems like a no-brainer to go ahead and adopt this. Does anybody want to make a motion to that end? Oh, I'm happy. Go ahead. Was there anybody that wanted to make public comment on this, Madam Chair? I don't see anybody here online. Is anybody in the audience wish to make public comment on this? Nope, no public comment. And just a quick question for staff. We've only know one person who has concerns with this approach to regulating. Yeah, we had we just have one. We had one engineer provide some feedback that I shared. And it really didn't necessarily point directly to licensing, but rather the regulations as a whole. And so we addressed that as best we could and we haven't heard back from that individual. I bet I know who that individual is. Some folks just don't like regulation and there you have it. Well, and they think they know better than everybody else. So if you're ready. Yes, please. All right. I move to prove for the Board of Health to adopt contract or licensing into the local regulations for onsite treatment systems. Is that good? Second. Is there anything to discussion on this item? All those in favor. Hi, thank you. Knowing that we have a little bit more time, um, just wanted to talk a little bit more about the OWTS program. I've asked Chris to, um, take a look at, uh, the title transfer program, which is something else that we can adopt from regulation 43. And so, what that requires is for our department to issue a use permit upon transfer title. It's a heavy lift, but it is part of the reason we brought somebody on. And I know that once these millenar Pittsburgh projects are behind us, I'll be able to better support that. So he's going to take a look at that this winter when we're not doing inspections. He's very busy with inspections right now. And then we'll also look at provisions for advanced treatment. I think there's some situations that I've seen in our county where being able to install some different kind of systems that have, that are a smaller footprint. I always think of on-speak billage is my number one. And so we'll be looking into both of those things and really if we were to adopt those programs into our regs that we would be supporting the full suite of programs that a local jurisdiction can adopt. And like I said, we have more capacity now. I'll be able to support Chris a little bit better when we get past these other projects. So we're going to be looking at that and coming back to you and going through the same process as we have with these licensing. And then also planning on doing some more outreach and education specifically with realtors and so I've built a presentation and it's really it's sort of like a class that we'll put on that'll allow them some continuing education credits and so it seems like that's a group that we really need to be reaching out to and in contact with and educating and so. Put Chris on. Getting that done as well this fall and things calm down. So. That's what's going on with septic system. So happy to answer any question. When you're going to do these re inspections, Will you need like some video cameras or something that you can go down the lines and look inside the tanks some some way to make your observations? A licensed inspector will be conducting these title transfer. Okay. I'll probably be on site for a lot of them, but it'll be their professional determination. And it's not always necessary to camera everything, but there's usually evidence of failure. Right. And there's ways that you can push a lot of water through the system. It's a find if you've got a broken infiltrator or a separated line going to the tag. Exactly. So I always look for the green spot. And then you know we'll also some counties adopted these regulations and so and there's some other counties so we'll look at them you know how do we do inspections at the winner? You really can. So how do you address some of those problems? Right. And what's going to be the workload, and we probably need to make some more updates to our software to issue use permits in city view. So there's a lot of steps to take the set up the program. And we also, we got all of our permits scanned. And so they're available electronically now, which was a big first step. We haven't released the capability for the public, like realtors do go in and download those. We still get them to request it. And that's kind of our informal title transfer program. Because when we look these permits up, we're looking to make sure that, you know, the bedrooms correspond and what's the age of the system. They're kind of finding issues sometimes in that process. And I think that we'll continue to do that until we adopt a title transfer program, or if we decide not to, we'll continue to do that. Right. So we preserved all those records. They're all the way back from 1970. And so, you realize you may be busting some people. But yeah, well, it's the way it goes. I understand. So Scott, tell me a more about type of transfer program. So that just means when somebody sells their property and you need to then confirm that they allow them to use the previous owner's permit. Is that what you're talking about with the youth permit? Basically we're making sure that the system is permitted appropriately and functional and then we're issuing a youth permit. Okay. So basically whoever applied for the original permit like that permit still stands but now that person can use it is that the dealer? Yeah the permit gets transferred with new ownership. Right. Whether you have a title of transfer program or not. Right. I'll be curious to see how this rolls out because when I was at the division the whole idea of people actually filing their wells and transferring them within 60 days which is required never happened ever. So how do you plan to make sure this is happening? Yeah, that's a great question. And like I said, we'll look at other counties who adopted the program already to see how their processes work and how you build in those experiences. So that's part of the research that we need to do to make sure that, you know, it works and understand what the problems are. Right. There's a lot of counties in the state that do this already and make it work. And so I don't know exactly how, but that's, that's what we'll look into. Yeah, you'll have some programs to look at and decide what you like and what you don't like. My suggestion would be not to put the onus on the realtors because that doesn't tend to work with other things that have to be transferred, but anyway, you'll figure those details out. I'm Commissioner Porian. Do you have any questions on this? Yeah, not on the title transfer system. I want to go back to the advanced treatment systems. And Scott, as you know, the county has long system, I want to go back to the advanced treatment systems. And Scott, as you know, the county has long been skeptical of allowing these kinds of systems. And obviously it would require change in our regulations. And I do understand that there are unique situations such as Hans Peakak village where this actually could benefit not only the property owners but the environment and the joining property owners. But I just want to be really cautious that this doesn't open up some alternative path for people to get by without putting in a more traditional onsite wastewater system. Okay, yeah, that's a great point. A lot of I actually haven't heard of any other counties who have this five acre rule for septic systems. And so that's kind of a unique wrinkle. Of course, Han speak village and some other subdivisions were platted at such a time when they didn't have that requirement. And so, you know, I think that if we were to allow these types of systems, it would have to be in those circumstances where a traditional system doesn't work. And so you're right, we'll have to take a close look at that and make sure that there aren't loopholes for people to get around, you know, doing the right thing. And that'll be part of the process. We'll be easier. I mean, one of the advantages of our five acre requirement is that not only does it work to protect the environment, but it has also been a natural limitation on development in parts of the county where we've had these much smaller lots subdivided inappropriately, I might say. And that's what worries me is the idea that we might somehow open up the door so that these much smaller parcels could be developed because of these advanced treatment systems. Right. And remember that that five acre rule is a planning regulation, not a no WTS regulation. And so I think that that's one way by keeping those rules and effect from a planning standpoint, we can avoid those problems. But again, we're just in the discovery phase really of trying to see how this is gonna work. And if it's something we really wanna do, advanced treatment systems also require maintenance and that requires us to check in on maintenance plans. And so it's a little bit more work on our end to be able to maintain these systems properly. And so that's all, all that'll go into our analysis of whether or not we want to go in that direction. But all those good feedbacks are appreciated. Question, these systems, these advanced systems, they meet CDPHE regulations I would assume? Yes, and I think that these systems have to be approved prior. So I think that there's a list of acceptable advanced treatment systems and also process. If you're an engineer and you want to propose a new advanced treatment system, you go through a process with the state to get that approved. So they do all that work got you and then come to you. Thank you. Well, thank you both for coming to chat with us about what's going on and what's going to be going on. I think we are ready to move on the item. Oh, we already did, nevermind. We're ahead of ourselves. All right, we look forward to hearing from you guys on the next steps and thanks again. Franklings. Madam Chair, you may want to go through the formality of injuring as the Board of Health. Yes, but our adjourning as the Board of Health and our next item will be an update from Eric on a couple of topics looks like Eric's in the room. We're a minute early. Do you want to come on up. So we have now adjourned as the board of health and are we convening as the Brown County Board of County commissioners is just the carry forward of 2024 private activity bonds that we've discussed with the board on multiple occasions. This is the formal resolution that's required by IRS rules to do that. Recall that we have outside Council, Corey, Cohenic, helping us monitor this process and hopefully in order to the benefit of housing authorities for affordable housing, both in Hayden and Yapabali. Well, there are any specific questions? Yeah. I feel like given the comments that we heard about the situation in Milner, I want to dig into this a little bit more because I know we have talked about these and we defer them and that kind of thing, but have they ever been used? We have our issued private activity months. Yes, I'm sorry. We kind of believe. Passing your house. Yeah, the Valley Housing Authority. I believe. So I think what we've done in the past is we turned ours back to Chaffa and have the issue to the Housing Authority. That's right. There was an extra step. So up until last year, we just turned ours back over to Chaffa with discussions with the housing authority. And now the Hayden housing authority, it was deemed that keeping them for this three year period and accumulating them being assigned them locally would be a better option at this point. So that's how we ended up at this point. Yeah, I remember the discussion sort of vaguely, but I think I'm still trying to understand operationally how the housing authority is using these. And to. Mr. Morgan, did you have something? Yeah, yeah, I have a vague memory of us actually assigning the private activity bonds to a private entity that did some kind of an energy upgrade remodel, but this was a long time ago. It might even have been before I was a commissioner. Eric, do you have it? I feel like there was something over near Fish Creek years ago that I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. Fish Creek years ago that. We supported a or allocated a PAV to. But I really can't pull up the details in my mind right now. I don't recall that commissioner. I. I. I. I. I. My recollections. I thought we did one once where we allocated directly to the housing authority, but by far the majority of the times we defer it back to Chaffa. But I don't remember the specifics of that situation either. I have no idea to answer Commissioner Macy's inquiry how the housing authority then uses that as a benefit. Jason came to our meeting last year, and I don't remember the details in this presentation, but explained how on some of their projects, which are partnerships with private developers, that the bonds were assigned to them, like Chaffa, a larger amount than this, as part of their financing mechanism to offset their light tech funding. So it was a mix for their projects, I'll be using it. He's both local housing authorities and we may end up with a third one, but the two existing ones express support of accumulating them locally to a larger amount. Doesn't mean they still can't ask for Chapa funds that just gives Let's just keep it home for now that we have act of housing authorities But I think I hear Commissioner Macy's thinking out loud about Is there some way that this PAB Could be utilized in the situation like the millenar situation? Yeah, that's exactly right. And then also, I mean, since we looked at these last year, obviously the Casey's pond situation has arisen. And, you know, that is obviously a very fluid subject, but at the same time, there is some discussion about whether it would be acquired by an entity that would incorporate some affordable housing into that. So, you know, I just don't feel as though I have a thorough enough understanding of whether or not these could be useful tools for us in the case of something like a Milner or cases if it were to be affordable housing. And I understand what we have here is the first breathing of an ordinance that writes. No, this is just a resolution to carry forward. So this this resolution wouldn't do anything other than move move the funds that we've accumulated thus far into next year for further accumulation. So it's not being used or assigned at this juncture, nor differed back to Chaffa. What we could do is ask Mr. Kalenik maybe to come in next year when we get closer to this point and give sort of his observations or his knowledge on how these might be used in a different way, potentially. But I think it's the idea right now is to allow these private activity bonds to accumulate. If I remember the right, the number right, Jay, we're talking about one and a half million dollars each year. So it's not a whole lot from a construction standpoint, but once you accumulate, then we're talking about, four and a half million pounds exactly, just around five. So to be clear, Eric, what I'm hearing you say is that we still maintain control of these private activity bonds or the value of them. And we could choose to allocate them at almost any time to a project or development of our choosing. That's my understanding, yes, sir. Yeah, that's giving me a little bit of pause and the idea of pushing them off to next year and letting them accumulate because I think it's the tool that we could use and there's a place to use it. It might be worth having a more robust conversation because one of the things that's unclear to me is that, you know, I mean, we have generally, let me speak for myself. I think I have generally adopted the approach to the Impabelli Housing Authority is sort of the arm of housing and it is doing the work that we needed to do. And so therefore, you know, letting these accumulate and having the Housing Authority and now the Hayden Housing Authority use these has been a very good thing. But I understand the Housing Authority has a lot of different projects. And you know, if there are things out there that they're not able to address capacity, why's our funding wise, I mean, or if they have other intentions for these bonds where they could be useful elsewhere, it seems like we should have a conversation about that. Well, we're not allocating them so. Exactly. We can still have that conversation. We're putting them in our bank. Basically, yes. Okay, I guess I'm very confused about this then. Well, I mean, that would be my understanding is that we're not allocating them. We're deferring them. Humulating them. We're accumulating them. They're not going back to Chaffa and they're not being allocated to anybody else. So they would still be squarely under our authority to determine how to allocate them. I guess the question would be given the fact that the two things that we just brought up are Casey's pond and the Milner mobile home park, how quickly could they be put into use by either of those entities or projects? And I'm hearing maybe my speaker went out. I'm not hearing an answer to my question. Well, I don't know who here would know the answer to that question. I don't even know that there are other than residents to acquire the mobile home. Yes. And I think the question is, you know, in the past we have seen local government support residents in those types of acquisitions, whether the housing authority through the city and the fish creek, not fish creek, excuse me, fish creek at the Botanic Park. And so the question is, is it's a tool that could help residents acquire in some way? Yeah, I don't know. Again, I'm happy to talk to Corey Kalinik about a presentation. And my understanding right now is that we're not allocating anything at this point and it would be usable going forward and going in a different direction than what we've presumed thus far, which is the two housing authorities, but are you sure of that? I'm sorry, mission, we do have a deadline on doing this under the IRS standards of the end of August. Yeah, I mean, I guess the question I would have is I'm comfortable with the the fact that this deferral, the bonding capacity would still be with us, that the question would be would there be a timing issue? For instance, if we defer this, are we deferring it so it can't be used for a year? Or would the deferral still leave it available for pretty quick use if there was that kind of an opportunity? That is exactly the question that I'm trying to ask in a very inarticulate way. So thank you. I don't know what the legal answer is without doing some research on that. But frankly, it wouldn't make any sense to make it not usable. I mean, the IRS isn't known for making sense. So there's that monoragumate. But me, it wouldn't make sense that it locks it in for a period of time time because that's the whole Concept behind the private activity bonds that they're put to use for the benefit of affordable housing Again, we have we could kick the can down the road for a week Yes, I would love very much like to do that because I Want to get a better understanding of, you know, as we have been accumulating these, have they been used by the housing authority if so for what projects and then if not, what is the balance. So they have not used the ones that we've accumulated. They've asked us in in and said we think it's better for you to accumulate these for a local project down the line with an issuing agency being one of the two housing authorities logically. We did check back with them and said you know in terms of pending projects, do you support doing that again? We can do it for up to three years as my understanding. Both Hayden and the housing authority said yes it'd be best to accumulate these in this manner. I think the no question is that for some reason, initially, and then he wanted to use the funds from this year, you know, is there a mechanism to do that with the carried forward? And we can check on that with Corey. Does this prohibit us or prohibit them from using them in the short term? I don't think so, but we can confirm that before next week's meeting. Okay, so that's helpful. So just to be clear, last year was the first year that we, so we presumably if this is 1.5 million ish, then the accrual would be 3 million. We would be adding 1, 5 next year. So this is to carry forward in the next year. So by this time next year, there will be 3 million accumulating. And to be clear, this isn't cash, correct? This is just bonding capacity. Bonding capacity with the local housing authority would be the issue or usually. That's not the county camp, it'd be the issue or usually. That's not the county campy the issue, but in the past that's who's, would be issuing the bonds. But still, in the case of a millner, for instance, $3 million a bond and capacity couldn't be make or break on a right first refusal. But again, there's only gonna be 1.5 available at this point in time. Yeah. Unless we choose to not allocate it to the next year, right? That's the only thing that's the only thing that's available now. Right. And we're looking at carrying that board in the next year, which generates another little over 1.5. So in the short term, if there was the desire for one of those entities to issue a million five-and-bonds, we could allocate that to them from our PABs from what we've done so far this year with Cory's assistance. But then we're adding one five on top of that in the next cycle. But we can answer to get that question answered for you for the meeting next week. Yeah, let's go ahead and get this tape until next week so we can get to get that question answered for you for the meeting next week. Yeah, let's go ahead and get this table until next week so we can get a little more information. You know, we've already just received information from the Casey's folks. I think we'll know a little bit more about where that's going. And also the millenar questions troubling. So if somebody would be willing to make a tabling motion, I think that would be the best way to proceed. Do we even need a motion? Yeah, I think so. Well, we'll ask Eric. What's he think? Will this change this will change the resolution number? I thought that was a problem of keeping them in order as they pass. So do we need a tabling motion or can we just defer this? Yeah, we're having that discussion. Okay. It's administrative issue that you're okay with it. I'd ask for a motion to table till next week date and time certain and so Jen's going to give us a time next Tuesday if there's one available. Great. All right. Okay, I move to table the PBR, carry forward private activity bonds till what is it? The 27th at 930, 1205. Again, emotion is, oh, are you good with that or do you want me to reset? Well, I thought I heard you say PBR, which is good to drink, but maybe not so much to bond. It's CPA, CPA B, carry private activity bonds. All right, you know, a table emotion on the floor is our second to that. Second. All right, how about any further discussion? I just wanted to mention, you know, the reason for the tabling obviously is to get a little bit more information and to see if this is something that the county can utilize in some of these situations that have become pretty dire and very recent times and they're moving very quickly. So thanks everyone for your patients with that and And with that, anybody opposed to this motion? Then it passes by acclamation. Thanks Eric for taking a little extra time to research up for us, we appreciate it. Looks like we got Julie up. Julie is up for a couple of items. We have the Menhill Bridge Design Rebid Award. It's Rebo and the historic board house. And if you wouldn't mind just stating your name for our minute taker, that would be great both of you. Thanks. My name is Julie Vanity. So it is interesting. Specialist. Who are you? Like Morty, director of Ralph County Public Works. Thank you. Which are you heading first, the bridge? I believe so. Great. It's only for Joe to get up in for the courthouse preservation. Oh, it looks like we're going to early. Okay. I'm here to we're here to request the board. County commissioners to prove the award the chair signed the professional services agreement and authorized county manager to electronically sign the munis compact to the Alfred. The next and company in the amount. Not to exceed $254,600. This is forward to the Alfred Benesh and company in the amount, not to exceed $254,600. This is for the bridge, Moonhill Bridge design work. We had budgeted 95,000 for it, so we will be looking for a supplemental budget at the end of 2024. Do you wanna give some background? This is a bridge that is our last of our bad bridges. It's a county road 56 over the Elk River, right at the intersection of county road 56 and 129 just south of Clark. We put this out to bid earlier in the year. We have and only had one response from it. We've got very preliminary plans that we did when we first designed this bridge back in 2014 through 2016. And we were recently awarded a grant for the construction of this bridge. And we need to take the design plans through the C-DOT review process to, it'll be the C-DOT review process, the C-DOT right away process to gain approval for the ability to build the bridge. Anticipation is that we award this bridge. It'll probably take about 18 to 24 months to finish the design of the bridge. And then we're looking hopefully late, 2027 to bid the bridge out for construction and things go accordingly. With CIDOT. The CIDOT design process pretty cumbersome. They're gonna say 18 to 21 months. Yeah. That's I mean, CROCRIK Bridge took four years for a 38-foot-long bridge. I, I, I have faith in this is the kind of a larger design firm, you know, all over the country, very, you know, very qualified to do this work and get it done. They were actually the one bid that we did receive on the first go round. And clearly the other vendors called Mike after the bidded closed and said, you know, we really didn't understand what was going on here. So we went back out with a new spec, updated spec. And we had a good return. We had six five companies and offer Banesh still came in as the best value for the county. So I have two questions. Mike, you said that this is the last of our bad bridges. So how bad is it? Is it bad enough that it's going to be a problem? No, it's load post it. It's safe for passage, but usually when it comes to in the C dot inventory and more over in in Colorado, once a bridge is sufficiency, which the best is 100 to worst is zero. Once that sufficiency falls below 50, whether that's due to erosion at the abutments, about bridge deck, structural features erosion, there's a whole host of things that it's rated against. And when it falls below 50, then it becomes very eligible, a very eligible candidate for funding for replacement on it. Okay, so not unsafe. And then separately, obviously there's a pretty big difference between the budgeted amount of 95,000 and the proposed expenditure of 254.6. So what's happening there? idea that we would be able to use information from past design work on it and hoping that we could get kind of the initial layout survey work, wetland, wetland delineation, survey, hydraulic analysis all used as sort of a cost savings. But when we went out and I described to other consultants kind of what my intentions were after the first go around, they said, yeah, we know. I'm very, I'm very, I'm very, they said they were very apprehensive of using other work stamped by other professional engineers. They can't stamp it because it's their design then. So they want basically what industry has told us is that thanks, but no thanks, we'll start over and do it our own way. Yeah, I don't know about that, but it makes a lot of sense. And I think we've run into some snacks with the energy project that might have been a little easier had we not been trying to use some data that was crunched by other folks. So I totally understand what you're saying. Do you have any questions for the folks table? I'm thinking maybe a lot of this is a hydrology model because weren't we experiencing scoring on that bridge? No, this is the Clark Bridge. Oh, okay. That's the bridge that we did. Since our analysis on the last couple of years, and when we went out for an engineer estimate for the in-channel improvements, that came back at just shy $700,000 for the in-channel. So now we're kind of taking a hard look, or I'm taking a hard look at, do we just replace the Clark Bridge, go down the path of looking at replacing the Clark Bridge, even though we're replacing the bridge deck today, although that's very much needed. And replacing that bridge and be able to kind of put some of that in channel work in with a new bridge. Right. And go through the off system highway grant where, you know, a two and a half million dollar bridge costs $250 to $300,000 instead of a $700,000 in-channel improvement and you're still have the old bridge that you're there with. Mr. Corrigan any questions on this item? Yeah Mike this would be a good example of once you get the engineering all done of a shovel ready project that you could bring forward to the off system of bridge program. We already have funding for it. This is the last one that was awarded. Okay, okay, that's right. We have funding to build the bridge. Right. We just need to complete all this work. That's right. And so I think as you guys know, Brown County has been very successful in the off system bridge grant program. Part of the reason. Thank you. Yeah. I'm very glad I got represented on there. Well, yeah, part of the reason has been that, for whatever reason, many counties just ignore this opportunity. And Mike has been really good about, hey, let's supply. You're after, you're after, you're after, you're, and we've been successful. So I definitely appreciate that. Something that we should continue to do. And it's in that vein that I'd like, you know, understanding that I'm going to be leaving. It's not a very sexy appointment, but one of the things that I think has benefited Route County through my representation on that committee has been the insight that I've gained about how best to present these applications so that they're looked upon more favorably. And also, just because I've been in the room while the consideration is going on, I've been able to answer some questions really quickly. There could have been red flags that would have thrown our application out and instead ended up being approved. So I think it's a great job for the new commissioner whoever that is when they come in. And Mike, I did send you an email earlier today because it's the notification for the next round. Right. I don't you don't have anything ready to bring forward in this round. Do you? No. But you probably well within another year or two. I'm going to guess that another bridge will need to be replaced. So I'm going to let Kristen Dunn down at CCI know that there's a strong chance that Route County would be able to come up with someone to replace me. They sometimes struggle to find people to sit on that particular committee, but it's not that heavy of a lift and it's worth doing. And I'd be more than willing to help coach up whoever that commissioner is as to sort of the process of how it starts the design process, the all the way through final construction and so on. The beauty of it is is that we get to build, you know, large significant bridges, you know, throughout the county with oversight from the department of transportation. Everything gets reviewed by all these designs get reviewed by staff bridge. All of the specifications, the certificates of conformance and all that stuff. So all run through the C. process instead of, you know, the potential of having a contractor come to you, you know, short to hear, short you there, how to honor there, so on and so forth. It's all, it's a lot. It's a burden, but the end product is incredible. So great. The bridges that we built so far have been awesome. Yeah, I was just gonna ask the quick summary of the bridges that have been funded in the last 10 or 12 years, and I'm thinking out there by Indian run, right? There's the green pipe, the green trusts and the Butler Creek Bridge. All, we're all right around the million dollar range, you know, in a 20% map. So we've, we've had $3 million, almost $3.5 to $4 million of grant funding for bridges that we've paid $304 or $600,000. That's pretty good return hand. Yeah, it is. And that's the run out bridges drive bridge bridge, which kicks off next week. That's another million dollar bridge. You know, add $300,000. So we've paid a million dollars that four bridges replaced in the county. Are the municipalities, is that available to them? 100% because I'm thinking of that popular street bridge there and Hayden. 100% they're all, all the bridges across the country get inspected every other year unless there's something structurally wrong with them and then they get inspected every 12 months. All those are in the national register and all of these bridges show up on the list. You know, when the call for projects comes out through the off system highway committee. I mean, city of steamboat springs use some of that to repair somechannel work down here off of the street. Right, right, right. I think they might have used some of it for their Yamenite Bridge and so on, but the hard part is navigating and having the resources able to navigate the C.Dot. Design and review process. I mean, they, they review our rural county bridges like they would review interstate bridge. So there's a separate pot of money for the municipalities with a separate with a separate committee of municipal elected officials that manage that. And this year for on the county side, I think there's eight million dollars available. There's been a little more money available here recently, because some additional federal funding, but it's a good program. We should always pursue it whenever we get the opportunity. Sounds good. Well, I think that we should make a general agreement that Brown County commissioners continue to participate. I don't know that we want to dump it on necessarily the new person without knowing their aptitude or interest, but let's flag that for our next committee assignment meeting and then Mike can coach that person up. So with that, can we move off of this item? Or is there anything else? I'm good. I assume you're saying you are ready for a motion. Sure. Thank you. I move the board of County Commissioners to approve the award, Chair, sign the PSA, and authorize the county manager to electronically sign the Minus contract to Alfred Benish and company in the amount not to exceed $254,600. No, this purchase may require supplemental budget at the end of 2024. Second. Second any further discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Thanks for that. All right. Julie is still with us. We now have Joe coming up to talk about the historic courthouse conservation plan design services. Joe, can you just state your name for our minute taker, please? Joe, step in county facilities manager. Thank you. So we are here to request the Board of County Commissioners to approve the award to chair sign the professional services Services Agreement and authorized the County Manager to electronically sign the purchase order to hew with design, studio, LLC, in the amount not to exceed $50,000 for the Historic Core House Preservation Plan Design Services. The current budget at a amount It's a kind of budgeted amount. It's $299,000 or the overall project. That's good. 50,000 is covered. So we will not be looking for a supplemental budget. And you also received an SHF grant. Name out of $15,000. You let it go towards these design services. So, they're going to be good. Yes, so we, this has actually been a project that's been in the works for a few years now. We put essentially a placeholder item in the budget for what we assumed would be designed. And then further the project and actual implementation of recommendations based on the report. We will push balance from this after this project in that budget item to next year in anticipation of some actual work to be done. We want to work with their CQIT and here at design on this particular project as she is the historic preservation specialist in the area. She's familiar with the building, she knows the programming and what this document will provide as you see will be really a pretty comprehensive document to preservation of the courthouse and that includes ongoing maintenance, that includes future projects and prioritization of maintenance and project items. It's programming, there's a structural component as well. This is a pretty large document that will become not only a guided and archival record of the work that's done on this building. I will tell you really sort of surprised at the cost. It's for historical. It seems very reasonable. Yeah, I think we're I think we've been circling or hovering around this this number for a while so I'm pleased that it's state of this level. And you know, the big part for me is that this does include the structural assessment, which is an outside contractor that Huwet Design Studio will bring on. And she's familiar in working with them, and I believe they've actually worked on the last remodel of the courthouse as well. So they are also familiar with the building. But it seems reasonable on this is a, I mean, this is in a way a pretty important document to have for us moving forward to make sure we're paying attention to this building. And we would be looking at state historical fund grants for the actual work. And there's a chance that could be broken into multiple projects, not one, because I think those grants, the cap on those have dropped over the, those have dropped over the past few years. I think the, I have to relook, I think 250,000. I think it's the top. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So it might be multiple projects, but we'll see what the design comes up with. Yeah. And I would hope based on the schedule and Antarctica's availability to get this rolling, I would hope that we have a reasonable budget number for her to be able to plug into 2025 budget for an identified prioritize projects that were not just stabbing in the dark. And I think we're also fortunate that with the Veterans Center we're happening that there's both design professionals, contractors and subcontractors now. Pretty good level of expertise so we have a team working down the street which to be helpful as we move forward on a project here. Jay is there any concern with state historical funds putting some you know you know sometimes they say you can't replace windows and you can't do certain things. So the biggest challenge on using state of circle phones is that it doesn't allow you to get rid of the facility without paying them back. But that's something which I don't think will be an issue. We will, when we get to the State Circle Fund side, we'll have a meeting with you and go over the details of what the grant obligations are, because it is a little tighter as you're aware, than some of the other like standard dole of funding. Right. I would hope we could accommodate them all on a building like this. Good. Yeah, I've worked with them before, and there's definitely a step or two. That's a good button to ask. With the SHF funds that we already have the 15,000 will they be applied towards this space in the project? Yes, this is a non competitive planning specific grant. So that's going to be separate from the actual funding that we request for any identified projects. All right, I actually have to talk to you through this and you know, it's something that we've all committed to. I guess the reason we're here is just the question of the SoulSource contract. So making sure we're comfortable with the company has been selected. I know that he had designed studios and did a lot of good work in this community. So I mean, I have no concerns with that. Does anybody else? I'd like to add that this falls under our wavered formal purchase process and that we already have a contract with you and for the backstairs. So we are doing these two projects concurrently and it's within the last six months. So which is the right one of the policies that we have for doing the social sorts. Are you saying you don't actually even have to be asking us for that? Is that what you mean? That's what I'm doing. You must fully disclose it. Okay, I'm being nice. Okay. No. We have been suggested that we take. You know, I'm happy to make the motion and I will say again, I think this is well within the ballpark for what I would expect to see for engineering on on a historic building. So I'm happy to make this motion. I move the Board of County Commissioners to approve the award, chair sign the professional services agreement, and authorize the county manager to electronically sign the purchase order to Hewitt Designs, Studio LLC in the amount not to exceed $50,000 for the historic courthouse preservation plan design services. Second. I'm not sure if second any further discussion mission. Corrigan you didn't have a chance to weigh in much anything else. No this is no greater let's move forward. Excellent okay all those in favor time. That is good. And it looks like we have a couple of items with Kevin today, our taxiway project and a professional services agreement. So Kevin, when you are ready, you have the floor. Good morning, listeners. Yeah, item number one is the Taxiway project. So this is a request to offer us a chair to sign the contract and necessary contract agreements. We're going to get, hopefully, get approval to do so, but we're not actually going to have the bit proactive here because we have to process this grant before the middle of September. So that's why we're a little bit ahead of normally we would do this once we have the grant in hand, but we're assured that the grant is coming. It's just a matter of it's got to come to the top of the list here in the next batch. So as a reminder, this is a big project that we thought we were going to do in 2024. And because of funding delays coming out of the FAA in Congress, we were not able to start it in time this year. We went back to the contractor. He's agreed to hold his prices and we'll start it here. So we also had this project came in high, about 40% above the engineers estimate. So we had to do some homework and go back and decide which elements of the project we could afford and which we couldn't. And so as a reminder, you know, that's an $11.5 million proposal project. And that gets us four of the five, you know, phases or schedules of this. And clearly the one we're not doing, which is about a million dollar schedule, is the one that we think is really not critical at all to do. So we're going to leave one taxiway connector in place and as opposed to removing it to be in compliance with FAA standards today. And the FAA is on board with what we're doing. So they know we're going to leave it in place and we'll still be out of compliance with the FAA design standards. And we'll look at remove move on doing that schedule in conjunction with another project later on. I don't know, maybe it's a little bit unusual is that we are recipients of a million eight in entitlement funding coming from Aspen Airport. So they couldn't use their entitlements this year and we asked for 1.8, they get more than that annually, but that's all we wanted because that's essentially equal to one of one year's entitlement funding for us. So we'll take their money from this year, apply it to this project, and then they'll get our entitlements next year. So we'll pay them back no interest charges or anything like that. So that's how we were able to get schedules one, which is rehabbing the taxiway and adding new taxiway lights full length. So it's a 10,000 foot taxiway, 75 feet wide. So that's a big part of the project. And then we're adding the blast pad on these a bit of a vent well. So basically a paved overrun, which is important important and then we're adding an alpha 2 connector to play kind of around about at the east end of the runway that we've never had before. The fifth schedule is one that is not eligible and it's an asphalt repair right in front of our basically maintenance, ops maintenance building where our big off trucks come out and tear up that pavement. So we're gonna reinforce that and thicken it and hope it last longer because if we don't fix it, we're gonna start damaging the suspension on our fire trucks, which you can't afford to do. So that's the ask United Companies is the, was the low bidder and we wanna get we want to get the notice of award and notice to receive to them quickly so they can start buying basically the long lead time items associated with this project, um, which is electrical gear for the lighting system primarily. So, I'll pause there and see if you have any questions about the project or the, or today's ask. I think you, your presentation was so thorough, you've left me with no questions. Thank you. You know, the only thing I will have is a comment that I was very shocked that the contractor was willing to hold his price for a year. Yeah, this is a good project. Really looking forward to it. One question, Kevin, that connector, is that what are you gonna do? How are you gonna isolate that if we're not removing it? I know we had this discussion, but I just like that everybody to hear that. So what we did as part of the DA's project a couple of years ago, and when this standard changed for the FAA, what we did was we painted a green island, which is supposed to warn pilots, they're not supposed to taxi over a green painted island, it's supposed to look like grass, right? And then that warns them that if they go across there, they're going directly from an apron to a run-active runway. Typically, the FAA wants a pilot to have to do two 90 degree turns to get onto an active runway. And this particular connector goes directly from the runway onto our APER. So that the green island remains in place. We'll wait in it later this year, and we'll keep maintenance until such time as we remove out the board. So we can still use alpha four. We don't have to pull it off or put a big X through it or anything. We can still use it. We We don't have to hone it off or put a big X through it or anything. We can still use it. We just have to have the the island in place as a visual aid for the pilots. Thank you for that. And if there are no questions and you're ready for a motion. All right. I move to approve and authorize for the chair to sign the contract notice of award and notice to proceed for calendar year 2023 taxi way rehabilitation construction rw 28 and other incidental work at the Yapa Valley Regional Airport by Old Castle Southwest Group doing business as United Companies of Mesa County. Second. All right, we have a motion and a second, any further discussions? One question just, I think you said calendar year and they're proposing fiscal year, are calendar and fiscal the same for the airport? About the airport ran on a different fiscal year. You know, do we is that current? I think we're on the same fiscal year. Correct. Kevin, the only difference with the airport is we run on a different year for employee benefits. Is that yeah. Yes, so short answer is yeah, we follow the same construct as the county. Obviously the federal fiscal year, you know, and a September the state fiscal year ends at the end of June. And then so we have about four different calendars that we operate under. So calendar year, though, is acceptable. Yes. Okay, great. Well, including that discussion, all those in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All right, that one passed unanimously, Kevin, and looks like your task order to master professional services agreement is next. Yeah. So, you know, we, we changed basically engineers was to update our storm water management plan. So this is what you would normally be signing an amendment to the Wulpert contract. They call it a task order. So they just use a little bit of different terminology than meeting not or javiation did back in the day. But basically, they've put together an estimate of $41,780 to update our stormwater management plan and kind of the driving force besides our stormwater management plan being almost 10 years old. With all that's happening with PFAS, you know, the foam issues that had to be incorporated into updated stormwater management plans. So that's a big part of what they're doing. The other part of this project is we currently have a stormwater management plan for the airport and then we carve out a separate one for the FBO. So Atlantic Aviation has their own. That's not a best practice. So what we've directed Wolper to do is bring Atlantic Aviations under ours. And when we look forward to all the development we expect to happen, starting with the BA group, who actually started putting up silk fences this week. So they're actually starting their project. And beyond, well, everything that comes on the airport will fall under our stormwater management plan because that way we have oversight of what they're doing and we can call them on stuff if they're not, you know, if they're not taking care of the runoff and they're not taking care of their detention ponds, things like that. We have that oversight. So that's this project. PFAS making one comprehensive stormwater management plan and just updating an older stormwater management plan from just time to do it. So this is Wolper's approval to move forward with that project. Well, anything stormwater related makes all the sense in the world to me. I think this is a no brainer as well. Anything from you, Mr. Korgan, that's a thumbs up. Looks like we're ready for a motion then. All right. I move to approve and authorize the chair to sign the attached task order one to the professional, the master professional services agreement between Woolpert Incorporated and Ralph County, Colorado to provide an update to the Yampe Valley Regional Airport Stormwater Management Plan. With the caveat that a supplemental budget will be needed at the end of the 2024 year. Second. All those in favor right. Okay. And so this one is ready to sign now whoever's signing. And the other one I will be in touch when we get we get the grant for the tax rate project. I'll be back on Monday. If you can't wait till then you'll have to get it ready for Sonja's signature. Monday is good. Okay. Very good. All right. Thanks, Kevin. Thank you. Thanks for Mr. Thank you. We have our last item of the day, grand administration. It looks like we have two folks coming up to the table to talk to us. If you don't mind just saying your name and your title. We are trying to become to our new minute taker and make sure she has information about everybody. Right? Hi, I'm Roberta Smith. I'm the director of Route County Public Health. Good morning, Bryce Hinchman. I'm the Grand Administrator. Great, now who's going to introduce the site and for us? I'd be happy to. So this is a motion to approve a grant application to OPHP. That's the Office of Public Health Planning and Local Partnerships. And specifically, this is for a preventative block grant. The Rout County Public Health Department is that fiscal agent or Rout County specifically in Roberta Smith will be the grant proponent. This grant has been approved by the Grant Review Committee as of 813. Specifically, this project is to implement the Northwest Regional Development of Credible Mind, which is an AI driven platform for mental health software. This should be provided across five separate counties in Northwest Colorado. So that includes Rao Mofit, Rio Blanco, granted Jackson. The grant deadline's coming up. That's August 30th, and the award date is likely September 9th. So fairly fast moving. The funding request is 21,610. And that's comprised of federal CDC dollars that are offered through the Colorado OPHP. So Roberta, you can take the way from here. Oh, that was amazing. So, can I bring you everywhere? Yes, thank you. And this project is something that initially we went to the opioid council to have funded because it does provide kind of stop at the gap resource for mental health services before someone can get to treatment or to help them consider if treatment is right for them. The opioid council is kind of not at a place right now to accept grant funding and they've kind of kicked this proposal a little bit down the way. So we're hoping with this effort, this is a one-time funding effort that we can prove the concept of this platform and then in subsequent years for sustainability if it's something that is successful reach out to the opioid council for continued funding. You know, the my only question is when I look at some of the other counties that we'll be partnering with, do you have concerns that you're going to be carrying this ball? I do not because it is a very light task to carry actually. What it is is a website that is fully maintained by a company called Credible Mind. They're working with the Nicheo organization. And they set up the tools. They maintain all of the webinars, the podcasts, everything. What we have to do is just put the resources, which are very common amongst all of our five counties for reps, for other nonprofits in the area for them to reach out to for help. And then it just runs itself. So we just have to kind of get that set up with what are the organizations we want to advertise on this platform for resources and then it should be pretty self sustained after that. Okay. I guess my concern is I've seen Jackson County not have a lot of capability. Yes. And they have limited resources. So this is why they were on board. Like, can we have something for our residents, at least to go to to access mental health resources? Yes, it's for anything. Yeah. Same with Rio as well. So. Thank you. All right. Well, I am very curious to see how this will roll out. It looked like in the attachment that you, I guess it's the application that you've included as an attachment that we're gonna look at this in a year and see how it's used. So that'll be a really good litmus test to see if it's something you wanna continue. I guess whenever I see AI, I get a little bit itchy. Well, it's not really AI. I mean, it's a bunch of resources. You can take surveys to understand, like where you're at with mental health. Should you seek services? What types of tools you can use? And it really is just a platform to get people started and get them the resources if that's the way they wanna reach out. A lot of counties that have implemented this have seen great success in the youth population and many schools can refer students to this website and they can be kind of self-sufficient. It's kind of all a cart resources that you can tap into. So what's great too is we will get the data. So based on where someone is accessing the website, we can understand where they're located in the region and then we'll get the data on how many times people took this survey or how many times this podcast on anxiety was downloaded. So we'll really be able to drill down. And I think this is great in providing information on where maybe some of our mental health gaps are in the region as well. Yeah, and I'm glad that you mentioned the population because obviously not everybody is getting their information through websites. I mean, absolutely. But, you know, yeah, it's just so just don't access resources that way. It's just another tool in our toolbox. Yeah, and maybe we'll help again, more information in that region. Well, I will say that through Dola, we have funded some of these type of programs. And I was very pleasantly surprised how well they were received, especially by communities out on the eastern plains. Yes, the young people really liked it because they're, you know, they're kind of a digital generation to begin with. But what really caught my attention were the older citizens that took advantage of it and they really liked it. And one of the comments that was said to me was, well, I'm not seeing going into certain buildings in town. So, you know, it kind of eliminates their fear of a stigma as well. So, I would say, you know, I would think Jackson County and Rio Blanco may just really use this quite a bit. Great. Mr. Gorgon, do you have anything to ask or offer? Thumbs up. Fantastic. All right. Are you ready for a motion? Yes, please. All right. I move to approve a grant application to OPHP S's BG, BPG program to implement the credible mine online platform regionally across the five counties of Northwest Colorado and those counties being route Moffitt Rio Blanco grand in Jackson County. Second. Okay, we have motion and second any further discussion. No. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I push production. We have seven minutes left in our agenda today. Does anybody else have anything for the good of the pause? Do we want to wait until Monday to talk about a letter of support for sheriffs? Or can we just instruct agenda put it on next week's agenda? I think we can just instruct. I'm good with that. Just put it on next week's agenda. Thanks, Ms. And then I don't know. Thank you. Great. And then I think on Monday, we should at least discuss Dr. Henwood's request from the Soraco School District for an SRO, but I think we would certainly want to have Doug share available for that conversation. I would defer to Jay to follow up on that. How you think that's really part of Doug's budget discussion? On that, if Doug to share his eyes to assign an officer to that role right now, he can within his existing allocation, if he's looking at an additional officer for that, you know, that's a budget discussion. So I think that's really Doug's court at this point. Sounds good to me. Thank you. Is there a functional Oak Creek Police Department? Not really. There is one employee of the Oak Creek Police Department who's doing primarily admin work based on my understanding. I would not be I would expect that if those positions aren't filled shortly that there would be some sort of agreement with the county to be reimbursed for contract. Contract time there. The issue is is the actual hourly cost is significantly higher than any of our existing agreements. Dan's been working to allocate the true dollar cost to the law enforcement and it's it's got to be pricey. It's over $200 an hour if you build in all the costs associated with it. I can easily see that. All right, so I'll follow up with Doug on that topic. He's down at a training in in Denver right now, but he's back Thursday or Friday, so I'll just follow up directly with him. He's back. Great, and then the only other follow up directly with him. He's back. Great. And then the only other thing we talked about, maybe circling back on Monday was the Milner situation. So Commissioner Quirk, and if you do have the opportunity to pick the brains of the housing authority folks and see what they are cooking up if anything, that would be good. And I'll go out to report back on that as well. That's really sure. It's a meeting we have. That's very good and anything else for we adjourned? Just, we got to be on Casey's pond, right? Yes, yes. I asked a couple more questions and hoping to get some answers on that. Yes. Discuss on Monday. Yes, I'm fine with that. Thank you. I feel like there's still a lot of unanswered questions. Exactly. And so maybe we can try to get a little more information and have a better discussion on Monday. All right. And a reminder that that's that? Right meeting with evil in Yampa Monday on Monday. Oh, good. It lunches ready down on the end of at 12 30 in the meeting. We'll start at one. Okay. Right now we only have you scheduled till 11. We didn't schedule anybody after your updates so that you have time to. Exactly. Okay. That sounds good. So start here Monday and then head down there. That's great. Okay well thanks everyone and we are adjourned. Oh no. Very good. We're missing a great time. Yes sir.