Thank you, Mary, for recording. Just want to welcome Mary Baudi. Thank you for coming out and want to call this meeting of the Johnstrich City Council to order this April 28th at 7 o'6pm. Thank you at the summer call roll. Please. Councilmember Tunky. Thank you. Councilmember Schienner. Here. Councilmember Erimelli. Present. Councilmember Kauffman. Present. Councilmember D. B. Ossie. Here. Councilmember Ellen. I'm here. Thank you. Mayor Ravacorum. Great. Fantastic. Next time. Thank you. This time I would like to invite Scout Sophia Horbet, come forward and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Sorry. Get in behind. Yeah. At the mic right there and then the flag's on the wall. You can pull it down to your wall. Thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag in the United States of America and to the Republic of which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with her tea and justice for all. Mayor Schmerz? remarks. Just real quick, I just want to make sure to invite all of you to the International Festival. It's a Saturday, May 3rd from 12 to 6 at the fields across from the land athletic club and also touch a truck that's going to be Saturday May 17th at City Hall for any other events and things going on with City you can always go to our website johnscreetga.gov. Thank you. The next item are the minutes. You have April 14th work session and council meeting minutes before you for consideration. Any motions? I propose that we approve meeting minutes of previous City Council in work session. Okay. Second. All right. Thank you, Councillor Aramalie. Thank you, Councillor Schenner. Where the second is there a discussion? Seeing none, all those in favour? Thank you. The next item is approval of the meeting agenda. I know no changes. Any mications? To make a motion to approve the meeting agenda as presented. Okay. Thank you, Councilmember D. Biasco is our second. Thank you, Councilmember Hermelli. Is there a discussion? Do you have a discussion? Okay. All those in favor? Thank you. The next item is the consent agenda. There are a couple of items. Ordnance 2015 413. This is an ordinance to approve budget amendment number three to accept funds for the Bytes Road Bridge project. Resolution 25412. A resolution amending fees for five K races. An action, an action item, a memorandum of understanding with Dawson County for emergency medical technician and paramedic clinics. Also a memorandum of understanding with Emory John's Creek and with physicians express also for emergency medical technician and paramedic clinics. Mayor, I move we approve the consent agenda as presented. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Kaufflin. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. For the second. Is there a discussion? I just want to say that I appreciate that we are doing some amendment to our fees for the 5K races. I do want to point out that I know that staff is looking at fashion and agreement with the Public Safety Foundation so that we would be able to give them a little bit better deal on hosting 5K races at Colley Creek. And confident that I probably want to be able to get that done before the next Public Safety Foundation 5K next year. But with that, all those, anybody else have a discussion? All those in favor? Okay. All right. Thank you. The next item is a presentation. Mayor this evening, we have our quarterly scout recognition. We have two Girl Scout Gold Award recipients and three Boy Scout Eagle Scouts. If you'll come forward, all the scouts in the house tonight. So, let me get... All right. So we are very blessed in John's Creek. We often have eagle scouts and we've got gold scouts. And we just want to recognize them. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going your name. I'm gonna give you your certificate. And then I'm gonna wanna ask you just a couple of questions. So we've got Sophia Horback. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Nora McAillous for her Gold Award. Jacqueline Gnason. Gnason. Thank you. APPLAUSE Let's see. We've got... Derov Rustogi. That's it, right? Wow. And we've got Jairam Macala. All right, now just real quick and come up to the microphone and just tell us where you're at school and what you did for your project. Okay, so I'm from John's Creek High School and from my project I put feminine products in all the bathrooms, have dispensers available to all the students at all times throughout the day so that they don't have to go to the nurse and take the long walk that would emit class time and also cause stigma. Thank you very much. And Sophia was also one of the early pioneers in really advocating for us to start glass recycling, which has gone very, very well. So thank you for that as well. All right, Nora, come up school and your project. So I'm Nora Michaels. I go to Kings Ridge Christian School. It's actually in Milton. And I started a national teen mentoring program for teenagers with Down syndrome. And I was actually recently named the 2025 Unstoppable Girl Scout of the Year, which is one of the highest honors that you can receive in Girl Scouts of Greater Atlanta. My name is Durvastogi. I'm from Chethuji High School here in Johns Creek. And my project was building a Gaga Ball Pit for the Special Education Department at my middle school, Taylor Road Middle School. My name is Gera Omegala. I go to Alliance Academy for Innovation in Coming. What I did for my EGLE project was I built four peak invasions and two shoe sandboards for the honeymoon rear temple of astronauted. My name is Achille and Ganeshian and I go to Chattahuji High School. For my project I renovated the outdoor learning center at Abbott's Hill in order to allow kids and teachers to have outdoor lessons. Thank you to all of you and I know that our council is going to want to come up and shake your hand and take pictures and then we'll get the families to come up as well. So why don't you just step up in front of the electron here? Everybody? I don't, they've never been bashed before. Come on, guys. I'm sorry. We got a big group so we decided to slide a little bit. Did you guys share your group? I can see start with you. Do you want family only? Here we'll just put it off for here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think we now know who the wall is. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Council, if you'll not go far, we are also inviting the Northview High School, ASTA National Orchestra Festival first place team to come forward for recognition this evening. Arthur. Yeah. Oh, wow. There'd be like 50 names. I wanted to bring Arthur up because I know you had a big part in this. We just wanted to honor the Norfview High School Orchestra. They got the first place in the American String Teachers Association Festival. And so they are national winners. And I'd like to ask Coach, teacher Jeremy, if you could just say a little bit about what your group achieved. So, the American String Teachers Association has an annual conference and this year it was in Atlanta and in conjunction with the conference they have the National Orchestra Competition which is a really prestigious competition. Schools from all over the country. I mean California, Arizona, I mean Utah, New York, I could name. It was very, very intense competition, but yeah, we were able to come away with the first place trophy. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Right hand. I just want to read the names. So we've got Noah Bang. Where I could you. No, I'm a man. OK. All right Well, if I say your name, and you're here, raise your hand. Ray Claret. Jeremyn Who? Abigail Kim? All right, we finally have one. All right. Sun Young Kim. Irene Lee. Or, Arena Lee. Lydia Lee. Wendy Lee. All right. Yee Leeang. Nelson Liu. Okay. Siri Mupiti. And we've got Satomi Ono. Awesome. Jason Park. Okay. And weren't you here for something else recently? Probably. Yeah. Is it good boy? I mean, that's fantastic. All right. And then Annabella Shanoi. All right. Very good. Oh, wow. All right. Nile Solomon. There she is. There she is. There she is. There she is. Me Takuno. Elizabeth Wang. Fio Wang. G-U Wang. Megan Wu, Melvin Zhu, Katherine Yang, Jaden Yim, Victoria Ying, and Ryan Zhao. Awesome. Arthur, tell us your involvement because I know you played a big part. Sure. Well, thank you, Mayor Bradbury. First of all, my name is Arthur Holst and I get the privilege of actually working on a number of projects. But every week I get the privilege of working with these fine students as a coach because I play the violin at Northview High School. So Jeremy and I have been working together for probably four or five years. We actually play chamber music. I will say to you that one of the things I'm really proud of in John's Creek is the fact that of the top five high schools in all of Georgia, three of them are in John's Creek. And I will tell you that when you look at these guys, they don't just excel in music. They're going to go on to be doctors, scientists, politicians. They're going to have all of our jobs. I mean, tell you, I mean, it's a pretty amazing, it's, they're a pretty amazing bunch, and it's really great to watch everything they do. Jeremy, by the way, was the American String Teachers Association for Georgia, Teacher of the year last year. So they have a great leader in their leader. Thank you. Let's come on up here and we're going to want to get some pictures. I don't know if he's going to hold a trophy in the center. I'm a boy ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. I think we have to little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. I think it's a little bit of a bad luck. Great job. Congratulations. Swim in diving everything? All right. Thank you all. Well, we won't start until they've had a chance to leave the building, leave the room. We're in for God's sake. Good job, Sophia. All right. Next item. Thank you. The next I'm a public comment and I do have one card, Valerie Becker. Hello, Maria. How many of you salary legged? I live at something like the Magician Bridge Drive. I'm going to go on a road bridge. I came to ask questions about this. Why do you need a road bridge? Why do you need a road bridge? Why do you need a road bridge? Why do you need a road bridge? Why do you need a road bridge? Why do you need a road bridge? Why do you need a road bridge? Why to come in and out of the neighborhoods. So that's very helpful. I would like to ask if somebody can follow up with me as an individual homeowner. It's been kind of difficult throughout this several years of process to speak with the project managers. We've gone through different ones. And our property, the way that some of the things were handled, there's questions. The wall that you guys offered is fantastic. The way way that it was installed I don't think is the best On our property it wasn't complete so it still leaves the structure of the home with a lot of sound coming in and I think There's better ways to have complete that so that it makes the best use of the money that you guys put into that Because I don't think you wanted to sound a bit my backyard more so the structure of the home I think was the intent. Also there's just lots of finished products that aren't done. There's grass that's not there. There's lots of, it's just not done. I think if somebody could follow up with me I would really appreciate that. And that's pretty much it. Certainly and staff will follow up. Thank you so much. Thank you. I have no further cards, Mayor. Anybody else for a public comment? Anybody? All right, seeing none, next item. Thank you. The next item is under reports. The Manager's Monthly Report. We have Senator Greer for presentation. Good evening, Mayor and Council. A couple of highlights to go along with the printed report that's in your agenda packet. So in addition to the battle of the bands and the arts and culture heading in March, we also had the great Defeatl Days event. So community event of Hope and Renewal. We celebrated with the great Children's Carnival and Flatable Rides. All the great things, petting zoo food trucks, it was amazing on the public safety front. So hitting your second major priority not in order, but also really important. In police back by popular demand in March, we hosted a women and teen safety self-defense class. That's always a very popular event for us. We also sent off our five new recruits in the Fire Department to recruit school. It's a ten-month program. They continue to do really well fast forwarding just to last week. We were doing the SCBA testing where they put on the over-the-face shields and have to crawl to dark spaces. It's claustrophobic for a lot of people, but our five recruits are doing great. They also have now done the 100 foot ladder climb and all the activities they have to do on 100 foot ladder. So recruits are doing awesome under fire in your economic development priority. In addition to the contractor's closers connectors event that's highlighted on your March report, March was when we all found out the great news that the top three floors that office building you see in the Medley construction site is now going to me home to Bo-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring-ring- I get this right, their United States Animal Health Headquarters and the hundreds of jobs that come with that. Two Johns Creek to be part of the medley development. So that was great economic development news in March. On the recreation and parks spectrum, in addition to the great things you see in the printed report, I want to highlight that we also kicked off our free outdoor fitness at both Newtown Park and Colley Creek Park. So whether that's lift yoga on Sundays or Zumba on Tuesdays or fitness 108 on Thursdays, there is something for everybody if you love outdoor fitness classes. The whole listing is on our website if you're interested in more details. Finally, under transportation and connectivity, in addition to the major accomplishment of breaking ground on the Beginners' very project that's highlighted in the report, I also want to point out that in March is when we started the shift for the pedestrian tunnel connection on 141. So your drive is impacted, but there are still two travel lanes in either directions and with the great signage, the good barrels and the high visibility of that construction project so far, knocking on wood, so good. We have begun excavation for that pedestrian tunnel. It's going to be close in that direction. Goodness, for approximately three months and then we're going to shift to the other side and do the same thing in reverse, so excavate build tunnel, shift back cover, shift back over and then do the same thing on the other side so we have a full tunnel. With that, I've highlighted all five of your strategic priorities. I'm happy to answer any questions, but I know you've got other items on the agenda. I don't have a question. I just want to congratulate the police department, especially Mark Mitchell, chief. Apparently over the weekend they took took back 300 pounds of OPR drugs. Yes. Diabetes. All these drugs we shouldn't be falling in the hands of people who are not supposed to be using. That is certainly going to be an April highlight. The drug take back day on Saturday in partnership with one John's Creek was very successful. And I'm glad you have those numbers. I'll make sure to have those in the April report. Yes, especially I work with those kids, so I hope this is a great shot in the arm for their effort. Thank you. No, I appreciate the report on the battle the bands was fun and amazing. I just wish I think some of the weather's scared folks away, but it was a really exciting event. We have a lot of prodigal talent locally. I just want to make a quick comment. Miss City Manager Greer, I think you've done a great job with some of the topics that we've been working on. They're extremely complex. A lot of time involved with a lot of different staff members and third parties. And sometimes you just have to say thank you. So I just wanted to make sure that's out there. And I truly enjoyed the meeting that you and I went to regarding FIFA last week. And I think we as a city have enormous potential to do some entertaining with the World Cup coming in in the 26. Looking forward to some of those initiatives. Great. And I just want to say thank you to Councilman D. V. Ossie said it, you're everywhere. You've been doing, going to all these conferences, going to everything in the city. And we don't even know all of it. Can't keep up with you. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you, City Manager. Next time. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is announcements. I do have just a few. The Planning Commission will meet on May 6th at 7 p.m. That's a Tuesday. The zoning public participation meeting schedule for Thursday May 8 has been canceled. The Arts Culture and Entertainment Committee will meet on the Thursday the 8th at 6.30. And then we're back here on May 19th for 5 p.m. Work session at 7 p.m. Council meeting. Mayor Lerner-Nelson? All right. Thank you. Next slide. Thank you. This evening we have nothing under old business. The first item under new business is an action item. Consideration to approve a construction contract in the amount of $1.9 million with MAPP. 36,225 for administration of materials testing with MPS and $100,000. this is for the Colleague Creek Maker Space, Assistant City Manager Haggard for presentation. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Here tonight's recommend award of a design bill contract with MAPP in the amount of $1.9 million. The construction will allow the building to be used by the public, level the pit, include the bathrooms. Next steps for the contractor to prepare the plans, meet those requirements, and the staff's going to meet with the contractor and as council last, figure out the cost for the priorities that were not included in that original bid budget, such as the HVAC system, and bring that back to you for approval if you want to add additional funds. With that, I'm happy to answer questions. No questions, it seems. I do have questions. Councilman T. Viasi mentioned this during the work session as well. Do we know what it's going to look like. We do not. Okay. Okay. I mean, we know it's going to be a building that public can access and use. That's all you get with the design. No. At this point, that's all we know. And then if AC is added later, will it be an added expense? Yes. I would just clarify, because then the last time we were in disagreement over that. And then the last thing is the retro, if there is a phase two, there's no guarantee that what we are paying for now will remain. Correct. Like they may have to redo everything that we're spending the money on. So I can't guarantee anything. The goal would be to design it in such a way that we could recoup as much of what we built in. Power, those kinds of things would be reusable. The best we can. But I guarantee you I don't have them yet. Okay, and then we got an email from a resident saying how we could make this into a really great project with a private partner. From your experience, would that be possible the way it's being built? So I don't know that I understand the- So if we found a sponsor like a school that could- would be interested in partnering with us. So if a sponsor came forward and added more funds it could change the whole Thing it's okay. That's not the current path we're going down Is it too late to go down that path if this is approved tonight? No, we can we can take sponsorship funds and we can We come back to you with the additional Possibility to be added the sponsor could help cover some of those costs of the HVAC and other things. Like all that can still be done. What we got to start now is what are the plans going to look like with this new design build concept. To at least get us to that point. And you can't even tell a partner that though because we don't know what it's going to have until it's done. Partner in place. Correct. Okay, thank you, Director. I have a good assistant city manager. I've got a question. The 1.9 million includes 100,000 owners, 11,000 of 100,000, right? Correct. So which and another 100,000 contingency that we could, between 200,000 we could use for like additional add-on. Potentially, now the other part is, and any construction project, things come up that we're unaware of. And so we usually try to keep some amount to have some flexibility within the project. That's how that, why that's set up that way. But yes, this potentially has an additional funds to cover some additional items like HVAC. And again, this is a new design building, this is a new thing that staff was willing to explore. So I appreciate your feeling. I don't think that staff really, really advised us on exploring this option. It was just counsel on my recollection. Yep, I've done it in the past, but it's a potential large savings. So I've got a question here. Based on the size, the 15,000 approximately square foot in three stories, and it's not a flat roof, so there's no way to put a rooftop HVAC system, so it'll be on a pad downstairs. Do you, in talking to the contractor and knowing your experience, I have my thoughts, but are you anticipating we're gonna need a chiller? A water chiller for the air conditioning out there, or are you looking at a simple package unit? I really don't know. I haven't had those conversations with them yet. I don't have experience building giant buildings, air conditioning like you're talking about, but I will find out. When in the project, back to the work session, once this contract, if it is approved, you meet with the contractor and they say, okay, here's what it looks like. And contractually, at that point, if we don't like it for whatever reason, I'm just asking because I don't know legally. Can we back away from this? Because we don't know what we're buying right now. Pursuant to the contract, there are three avenues of termination. There's an immediate termination. There's a termination for calls and a termination for convenience. There are changes possible within the general scope of services. There are payment limitations, no matter how the termination's done. There is a capped payment amount for the city if it does in fact back out of the contract. And depending on the situation, the city's liability should be capped at the expenses that were actually incurred by the contract. Okay, okay. So at this point, we don't know what those expenses are, because I'm sure it's design engineering, that type of work. Or did we pay for that separately, or is it part of this bill? So it's all in one contract. Okay. Essentially, what I think she's saying is if we move forward, we're going to be on the hook for the design. Correct. If you decide to stop it at that point, that may that maybe all were liable for. Understood. I just didn't, because this is such a new process for us, I didn't know if that, if we had paid for that previous solid bondled together. Okay, okay. Thank you. Yes. Any other discussion? Any motions? We are out of luck to make a motion to approve the construction contract in the amount of 1.9 million with MAPP, 36,225 for the administration and materials testing, with MPS and 100,000 contingency for the colleague-rich makers face. Second. All right. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tempore, the motion. Thank you, Councillor McCall for the second and discussion. It's a new process, but just because we haven't done it in the past doesn't mean that we should be sharing away from that. So. No, I agree with the process. It has the substantial cost savings with the prerequisites that we're requiring to build the maker space. So yeah, I absolutely supported. I kind of tried to draft the impacts of this on the quality of life. We consistently say that. But I do think this is an idiosyncratic offering for that fits John's Creek really well. I kind of listed out the educational opportunities that this will provide will be above and beyond whatever curriculum in our local public education system the recreational diversity I stole that from your memo, but I do think having various options for everyone to go skills development. I will say the hands-on application is very important. I think trade skillsets are going to become even more in demand as our technology improves, especially as it impacts knowledge work. One of the proud things that I think coming out this is how we've used this infrastructure adapted it from the water reuse plant to fill the needs of our community. And then I'm not worried about iterations when the requisites is the build that mesenine or allow access to that second floor. So it hits all the check boxes. This is a no brainer in my opinion. So I'm really excited to support this. I'm really proud of the community on this one. Anybody else? Yep. Go ahead. State of Georgia really values his kids. Of the $37 billion which is the budget for State of Georgia, it puts 52 cents making sure the kids get quality education and they're in a conducive environment to receive that education. And I'm finding it very difficult to understand what our priorities are. In this building, we are spending $600,000 on each vac, phase 3, phase 4 and replacement. But when it comes to the kids, high school kids, most of whom will be using this maker space, we are stopping short. Recently I had a project built in my house. I want to have got to see if there was no air conditioning. Any business, certificate of occupancy, air conditioning is a must. Here we are looking at it as if it's an afterthought or worse is are the kids comfort such a low priority. We know, Georgia summers are pretty brutal. At least it's about 95 degrees plus minus couple of degrees. And the humidity is right next to Chattavitchi. I don't know why we are subjecting our kids to this kind of afterthought. I believe we should have that air conditioning prior to or part of this whole process budgeting process and I'm certain it's not the money Because we do have the money why we putting 600,000 in this building we ensuring we are sitting in a very comfortable building According to much financials But for some reason We are not allocating dollars towards a conditioning on the makerspace. I find it. I'm sorry. I can't find myself supporting this. Councilmember Armelie, as soon as the design is delivered from the contractor, they will estimate the cost of the HVAC, and then we could put that in the budget. Easy peasy. I wish that was that was on right up front, not half way in the process. Again, this process is different. This is a design-built concept. I do agree. I think then this is the wrong process for it. It sends a wrong priority to the citizens at large saying that your kids will get air conditioning after the one-the-bizad. No, one correction. Like you said, the CEO, this building is going to be CEO ready. So you're saying like residents would have to get X, Y, Z to get a CEO. There is no difference. Even for the CD, we have to go through all the checkboxes to get a CEO. So this is going to be CEO ready. So when I'm building a house, I budget the air conditioning. I don't say it is coming after the second phase or third phase, because it's my comfort. The first time when I'm going to sit there, is I'm going to sit in a good place. But Bob, I don't think there's any architectural similarity between any of our homes and this building. It is three stories, maybe at the gable four stories tall. It has louvers with huge industrial fans. In the summertime, when it was 90 outside, it was more like 70 to 75 inside because the heat rises. I mean, you know, I mean, look, it's a matter of priorities. I personally don't know that for kids to go in and they're soldering, they're woodworking, painting, whatever they may do. I don't know that it's going to be something that's going to be uncomfortable to the point where it's not a highly sought after space. Let's look at this way. Any gym in the school is a condition. They don't say, let the kids come in, then we'll put in the air conditioning. By point, what I'm trying to say is we have our hearts in the right place. I think we chose the wrong process. We should have had the AC figured out before we say this 1.9 million. I would have gladly said, yes, if there was air conditioning because we were almost everybody here was for this make a space. That option is not off the table. I understand what the design is. This amount which we may be back at the original bid amount. It may be. Or higher. Yes. So we all know this every time we don't decide up front the cost keeps escalating. We know this. Mechanism is very, our initial contribution was 3 million today today it is 8 million. Whatever reason if it gets delayed, wait for it. And I don't want this payment to come at the cost of keeping the kids uncomfortable. I'm not even saying last time I used the words inhuman, I think that's probably closer to it if we continue doing this. That's again. I mean, I'm sorry, but I mean, I don't know. I don't want to say, I mean, I know that yes, Georgia has hot summers. I mean, I remember going to the Coliseum from someone's graduation when I was a kid at Georgia Tech and it was not air conditioned. But again, I think maybe there's a difference of vision for what's one to take place. This is a business meeting. I don't think that that's the same thing that we're talking about for this. But again, to Chris's point, this is not the final final. So I've just got a couple comments obviously. So the maker space as we started this project just turned it in clock back. It's a great, great project. I mean, we're engaging students at the different schools or robotics. What it could be, we don't fully know yet, woodworking, metalworking, potentially computer learning for, elderly, if they want to get out and do stuff, they're hobbies and as well as the robotic side. What really bothered me about this project is that we did not consciously decide to do a design bid design build process. It wasn't a conscious decision. It was a decision that we fell back on because there was a situation where we saw potential of savings of money. And we went outside of our normal processes and we retracted a contract when we went to RFP. So the question is, can it be great? Yes, there's a potential it could be great. What I don't like about this is that we as a city have taken on risk For no good reason The risk is number one. We're doing a project. We've never done we've doing a procedural That we've never done before designed build versus designed bid build We're about to sign a contract potentially that we don't know what it's going to look like. Now who buys a product and doesn't know what it looks like? The cost of the HVAC, again, we don't know what that cost looks like. And while it could be a couple hundred thousand, thousand maybe it could be a whole lot more if I'm thinking like it potentially could be because of the structure of this building. We're taking on risk for no good reason and we're at this position because of something that occurred and so so I can't in good heart vote for this contract. I love the concept of the makerspace and I want to go forward with that. But not under this situation. I just think out of all the items we put in priorities in the RFP process, we barely got to item number two and a half maybe. So we barely got the fundamentals in this project and again, we have cost that we don't know what it's going to look like. So my vote is no for the process we're doing. I think the project is good if we would have stayed with the design bid build and just maybe negotiate a little harder with the vendor. Larry, I mean, Councilor B. V. Ossie, unfortunately, you know I'm gonna call you out when I think that things are mischaracterized. It is not a fair statement to say like we don't know how, we got here. We had a discussion at the work session and there was a majority of council that said that they wanted to embrace this process that may not be what your opinion was or your vote. There was not a contract. There was a bid put forward and it was far above what our budget was. And so I think the council played the legitimate rightful role of saying that we weren't going to move forward with that. So I appreciate the work that the mayor pro-tem did to show us an alternative that I think is going to wind up saving his money and get us into the building. And hopefully get us able to use it sooner rather than later. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the process and how we ended up not awarding that contract. While it was above, it was above the amount we set aside, that is absolutely correct. We could have denied it completely, but what we did is changed the process, and the process is the challenge I have, because it leaves us exposed to a whole bunch of items that we don't know, and that's the fundamental. And I honestly disagree with the actions that the mayor pro-tem had conducted. But I'm not going to go there. I'm curious, how would we have been able to negotiate harder? What do you mean? Like, how would we have ever been able to marry that down to the original budget? We'll never know. Another delta is a million dollars. Yeah, it's like- What do you mean a million dollars? But that's a whole point of RFP process. They're putting forward their best- Best offer and competitive offer. Maybe we could have whittled it down a hundred, but- Well, I'm just wondering what negotiation harder, how we would have resulted by a million dollars? Well, I guess my point is we will never know because we could have denied the contract right then and there and said let's go back out to bid. And we could have refined the design what we wanted to and gone again. Just like we did, we went out to bid twice We could have gone back out with the same process, design bid build. And that is where I stand that I don't believe where we should be taken on risk on a simple project like this. Buying something we don't know what it's going to look like. We know there's going to be additional cost to this if we choose to allocate or buy our conditioning for it and Knowing that I've worked in a warehouse in the summer in August and it is Literally unbearable to be there so sure we can we can deal with it But it's it doesn't it's not reflective of John's Creek Okay, so the alternative was to do this exact same thing just three months later with the negotiation. No, we could have actually, we have not, you're asking me a question, I can't answer because I never got into operations. Okay, but someone else did. That is not true. And you don't know what you're talking about when you say that. Sure I do. All right. I'll have anything new to offer. Well, I do. Okay, so we don't know what it's going to look like. There's no AC. If we're going to do a project, excuse me please. If we're going to do a project, let's do it to a good John's Creek quality. Let's not do it just to check a box to tell the community we've done something, it won't be used. I was in there with Assistant City Manager, Haggard and City Manager Greer in the summer. I could not even keep my heart hat on, it was so hot. It's not gonna be used. So yeah, I'm sure it'll be used in the winter, but that's it, without additional cost. So if the goal is to save money, then don't do it, but don't do it just to check a box. Again, statements of we don't know how it's going to look like that's not right because we give the guidelines to the contractor for the design bill so we know exactly the framework. So no it's a big build to my not. Director Haggard just stated that we don't know what it's going to look like. In the RFP, we put in a saying, look at these other things. No, no, no, you didn't read the RFP. It did not say that at all. It did not. It said to fill in the existing, and I'm sorry, or Assistant City Manager Haggard, if you want to correct me, it said to fill in the existing pit and for the electrical. So, there are minimum requirements requirements and that was it. And the batteries, there are three priorities. We filled priority number one and half of number two and pretty much one item of number three. And again, it's going to be occupancy ready. That's a condition for contracts. That's a condition for contracts. We won't know what it's going to look like though. We, we, we, we, at the retreat said that we were going to pursue what it would take to get it where we could occupy the building and it would be safe and clean and usable. And that is what this has fulfilled. Well, not all of us. I mean, you were speaking for yourself, maybe a few others, but some of us were never in favor of no air conditioning. And . . . And that is what this has fulfilled. Well, not all of us. I mean, you were speaking for yourself, maybe a few others, but some of us were never in favor of no air conditioning, unless controlled at the city head on the project. And direct assistance to the manager, Haggard, were you trying to weigh in on the design, or we won't know what it looks like, correct? So from the, we won't know what it looks like that to me that's, we don't know where the bathrooms might be located. where exactly the power is going to be, but we do know that it'll be operation. It'll be inhabitable by the public that'll meet the code. That's the intent. And then as you mentioned, the priorities that one and two were met in the bid. Thank you. Director Haggard, one quick question. Do you think we had a long discussion in the work session about performance that's until it was costing $60 million? Do you think if you did this design bit, design bit would be reducing the cost? Or would we like to do the bathroom work with something project? What I meant to say is, would we experiment, have not having a conditioning in that performance arts center? It's a very tall building. So, just a second, just a second. Would we experiment with that? We won't. I won't. Okay. All right. Does anyone have anything new to say? Okay. If there is nothing new then I'll call the question. All those in favor of the motion? All right. And all those opposed? All right. 4-3. Thank you. Thank you, Assistant C. Major. Next item. Thank you. The next item is an action item to approve a transfer within the fiscal year 25 budget for the makerspace? Sure. And I would imagine this may be follows, so maybe we can get to a motion to run later. This is just to effectuate transferring the funds so that all the project funds exist in one place. In your agenda packet, director Campbell put together a memo summarizing the financial action that was necessary to effectuate the approval of the last item. Thank you. Are there any questions? I think that we've just debated the make space pretty well, but- Just one quick. No, what would it? I'm sorry. What is the purpose of the need for transfer? Thank you. So right now, the funds are existing in multiple places. So you have funds that are in the Colleague Make-or-Space project itself, but because we spent some of those funds on the last set of construction documents that you put together, this is moving money from Capital Project PB-1702 into the current balance so that all of it can live together in one place so that the purchase order for the construction contract can be cut of over one instead of this point three accounts. PB-1702 RP-2257 is where the current balance is living. Thank you. Just a bookkeeping exercise. Essentially, but it is really important from a financial accuracy standpoint, and you know our finance director is, that's his bread and butter. So he want to ask that we put this together. So at the end of the year, the auditors have a paper trail of why we move money around. Basically putting back everything in one bucket too. It puts everything in one bucket and it maintains the accuracy of your fiscal year 25 budget and project listing so that you can track how much we're spending on this and not have to remember. We did that thing and it was in two different places. All right, any emotions? I make a motion to approve action item M2, a consideration to approve a transfer of the fiscal year 2025 budget for the makerspace. All right. Thank you, Councillor Arlewood. Thank you, Councillor Member. You're a melee for the second. And discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? Thank you. Thank you All right next item. Thank you this evening we have nothing under other business. We have another opportunity for public comment Anybody Anybody Next time mayors comments no, I just I know that this is not always being bag up here. Sometimes we disagree and I don't think there's ever anything personal in those disagreements. It's just some nice people see things differently. I think we need to keep that in mind. Anyway Executive session motion to adjourn to executive session to discuss land, legal and or personnel matters. Second. Thank you, Council Member Kaufflin. Thank you, Council Member Aramelli. Is there discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor of adjourning to executive session. And we will be back. Thank you. Are you recording? Can someone make a motion too? Thank you Recording Can someone make a motion to cut June from the I Move that we adjourn out of exactly executive session mayor pro temp Thank you And I'd like to second that motion Okay, we have a motion from Consul member Kaufflin and the second from Consluven, Hennell Wood, so where we discuss. I got four land and two leakles. Thank you. Got it. Great motion to take. Okay. All in the favor. Thank you. Oh, I thought he's. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I thought he said. Thank you. Any motion to adjourn out of the meeting for the day? I propose that we adjourn for the meeting. Thank you. Please. Second. Okay, we are done for the day. Okay. Thank you.