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I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go to the next slide. I'm going to have to go. So, can you give me a second one? Yeah, I would. I would give you a second one. I would give you a second one. So, I would give you a second one. Yeah, I would give you a second one. Yeah, I would give you a second one. So, I would give you a second one. Yeah, I would give you a second one. Yeah, I would give you a second one. I'm sorry. Well good evening supervisors, good evening staff and good evening loud and I'd like to call to order the October 16, 2024 loud in County Board of Supervisors business meeting. This room has a hearing loop. If you need hearing assistance, please switch your hearing aid to the Telecom mode. If you need a headset, we have those available as well. Today, my colleague, Mr. Crony, will give us words of information and leads in the Pledge of Allegiance. But before she does that, there are two things. One, I want to say happy birthday to Mr. Crony, which is today. And I want to say that Mr. Crony was on my staff, one of my staff eight for the Western Louting County for eight years. Laura, you are one of the most well read, well studied, caring people I have ever met. And your knowledge of Western Loudoun County is barna and so much of the good things that we've done on Western Loudoun County, of the land that we've saved, the things that you've taught me, we're all because you walked into my office and said, Chair Randall, you've gotta look at this. You gotta understand how this works. And you have been, you were an excellent on the staff, and I am so, so, so proud that you were my colleague, so happy birthday, Laura, and words, inspiration for your words tonight, ma'am. All right, well thank you, Chair Randall. I really appreciate that. It was a pleasure working with you for eight years. You are my mentor, and I appreciate all that you taught me. So today is my birthday and celebrating this year took on a unique significance as I reflected on my role as little river discharge supervisor. It gave me the opportunity to reflect on both personal milestones and community achievements and I feel deeply honored and privileged to serve Loudon County. Friends and family remind me of the many new connections I've made while in my new role. We are a community that looks out for each other. The friends, family, and neighbors who enrich our lives and make everyday meaningful. As I celebrate today, I do so with hope that the year ahead brings even more opportunities for us to grow and work together. Thank you. A bunch of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under the individual with the recruiting test for all. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm going to read the consent move as I can but please understand that I may have to make some qualifications or statements only because things have happened in the past hour. All right. First I should say that additions and deletions item five which is ledgy, 20203-003, oh, the Eurocolat House and residential, SCP-822-001 and ZEMA, 20202-0013 ZEMA, 20202-0014 and SPMI-2023-0016 has been deferred at the request of the applicant. It will be heard on the November 7th board business meeting. So that is an addition or deferral to another meeting. The other addition we will have is when we get to appointments, Mr. Brooksman has made a request to have a suspension of the rules for one of her appointees so that he can attend the meeting because the meeting will be held before we come back on the days again. That's fine with me and so we'll do a suspension of the rules at that time. Are there any other additions and deletions on the on the days at this time? All right. The proposed consent agenda is as follows. Item one, proclamation to recognize October 2024. 2024 is domestic violence awareness month in Loudin County. That is for approval and presentation. Mr. Brickson, if you would join me down front for that. Item R2 resolution to recognize 44 years of county service of the retirement and Mr. Steve Rogers. That's for approval and presentation and we're going to do that very shortly. That's not, we're going to do that in about 15 minutes everybody. If you hear for that, just hold on. Mr. Himstreet, you will join me down front for that. Item R3 proclamation to recognize the Wally holiday approval and presentation. Mr. Lecherner would join me down front for that. Item R4, resolution of commemoration or commendation for the Freedom High School Girl Soccer team. That is for approval and presentation. Mr. Luterno would join me down front for that. Mr. Luterno, do they win state? Mr. Luterno? Do they win state? Did they win state? Yeah, they won state. Six, six times. Class six. Oh, class six, oh, okay, the highest. Okay, undefeated, all right, very good. Item R5 proclamation to recognize the arc of loud-end. Class 4 approval and presentation. Miss Umstead would join me down front for that. R, um, it was R5. R6 is a combination for the Ego Ego Scout, Thomas Sheffler. That's for approval only. Our seventh anniversary of the Delis South Food Pantry, yay. That's for approval only, but Mr. Eternal, please let me know when you're going to present that so I can join you. Item one, confirmations and appointments. Item two, administrative items report, October 16th, 2024. Item four is the ledgy, 20203, that 0052, the arm farm rezoning. I have supervisors as staff, we'll be getting ready to do the consent agenda discussion to come down front. I have some questions for staff about this application depending on the answers. I might then take that item off of consent depending on what those answers are. But right now I'll leave it where it's at. Item 8, ledgy 2023 that0066, Lake View Center Plaza, special exception 2023-0009. Item 10, response to Board Member Initiative proposed insulation of Mark Crosswalk to Ashburn, Maryock Way and Matchpoint Way intersection. Item 11, response to Board Member Initiative pedestrian safety on Gloucor Parkway at Laurel Ridge Drive and Deer View Drive. Item 12, Board Member Initiative to approve access to early voting. Item 13, Board Member Initiative for traffic calming and the village of St. Louis, item 14A. Contract renewal with architectural service for building renovations. Item 14B, contract renewal with architectural service for building renovations. Item 14B contract renewal for architectural services, item 14C contract award construction for the crisis, receiving and stabilization center. Yes. Item 14D contract the work construction, engineering inspection and services for root nine and root 287 roundabout. Item 14E contract award, roadway and civil design services for root 15 and Braddock Road roundabout. Item 14 F, award authority, increased 911 equipment and emergency notification software and services. Item 14G, award authority, increase education software solutions and services. Item 14-H, calendar year 2025, payment standards and utility to allowances for the housing choice voucher program. Item 14-J, American Rescue Plan, staff recommendations for reallocation prior to the obligation deadline. The obligation deadline is the end of this year. Item 14K, point 25, retire, re-help plan, update, premium review, op-ed status for the county white group health plan. I do want to say that there is not so much a correct emotion, but a one other part of that motion that did not make it into the package. And I just want to breathe that into the record. What was missed in the item was the term. I further moved the recommendation of the economic government operations and economic development committee. That the board's with us direct staff to review the rates and caps for the retiree health plan and other post-fui apartment benefits, OPEC, every five years from this point forward. I believe that was something Mr. Luterner or Mr. Brick's been discussed at the Finance Committee meeting. I think it was made as a friendly, but didn't make it into the item so as you vote the item tonight, consider that as part of the emotion as well. Item 14L County, I'm sorry, County employee deferred compensation. 457 plan, a record keeper request for proposal and investment selection. Item 14M, request for use of space and be waiver within a community center by Spark. And item 15a are cola quarters for the enslaved stewardship management. It's a very long consent agenda. I will make a motion to move the consent agenda. Is there a second? Seconded by Ms. Bricksman. Discussion on the consent agenda. If you have discussion consent agenda, please put your light on. I would ask that staff would come down for the armed property discussion on the consent agenda just for a couple of questions. And then we'll decide if we keep that. I can say good evening, how are you? I'm doing well, good evening. So I'm the one that actually has questions on this item. It is my understanding that a data center has been proffered out of this, but it can still be a utility substation correct. That's correct. Okay. Is it reasonable to conclude that depending on where you put a utility substation on this property, even if the data center has been profit out on the parcel, the utility substation could serve another data center that's close to the parcel. Depending on the type that's proposed, it would either be essentially vested with the current proffers or it would require additional commission permit. So- If it's serving distribution. So it has to come back to us. Yes, ma'am. So let me say this in clear English. So then what we're saying is no data center. Well, if a data center wanted to use the utility substation that sits on the orm property, if that's what it's actually built there, that data center would have to come back to both the planning commission and the board for approval before that happens. Is that correct? For a commission permit. I'm sorry? For a commission? For a commission permit before that happens. That is correct? That's correct. That's all my questions. I'll leave it on consent. Thank you very much. And my, because I'm still doing opening. So in my opening time still, I have a couple of other things. One, I do want to say that the Spark Space Fee waiver is very important. We have had for, for quite a while now. We have citizens of our county who have disabilities that are so great that they're not able to work outside the home at all. They may have feeding tubes, they may have need to have care doing their daily ADLs and that type of thing. And we don't have, and we haven't had in this county enough spaces for those individuals to be cared for. What this item does is put 10 spaces in the Sterling Rec Center on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Fridays from 10 to 2. And so that we at least have more spaces for people to be cared for, who have those disabilities and so for their families. And so I am really, really grateful that that's happening and thank everyone for all the support for that. I will say Miss Tukroni, the village of St. Louis. Traffic calming is a very good item. We've had many meetings out there and we know that that has been a huge and issue for the village of St. Louis and so I'm very happy that we're getting that underway as well. I may have some closing remarks but right now anybody else wants to speak on the consent agenda. Miss class. Thank you Madam Chair. I want to thank my colleagues for supporting the Ashburn Road and Match Point Way Crosswalk along with the Sterling Community Center fee waiver for Spark. As the chair was speaking of, the crosswalk will provide safer pedestrian access for the courts and ridges community to their field, playgrounds and other amenities. I'm also excited that we will be allowing Spark to run a one year pilot program for disabled young adults in Loudon who have aged out of LCPS. I look forward to seeing how this program will benefit these individuals. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you Ms. Glass. Ms. Takroni. Thank you, Chair Randall. And I'd like to, Chair Randall, I'm very happy that the board supported the traffic calming in the village of St. Louis. We're going to do a speed management study on St. Louis Road in the village to reduce potentially the speed limit from 35 to 25 and add traffic calming treatment similar to the village of Aldi along Route 50. That's kind of my vision for St. Louis is traffic calming. That's very similar to the village of Aldi. Since 2022, we've been talking about safety issues in the village and this board member initially addresses the community's concerns that we've raised at numerous community meetings. And I would like to see a poll-mounted speed display signs, prioritize and implement it as soon as possible for the safety of the community. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cronin. Mr. Bricksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to thank my colleagues for supporting the initiative to research and investigate more early voting satellite locations in the county. This is not for this year. I just want to make clear This is not for this year. I just want to make clear it's not for this year, right? Because we're about 20 days away. So our goal is to have a couple more early voting satellite locations starting in November of 2025. And the item says that we would like staff to come up with options for each electoral district. I don't think in the end we will approve four or five new sites, but there are some documented sort of pockets and holes and voting deserts in the in the county specifically Ashburn comes to mind. So this allows staff to go and do that research and then the board will have another opportunity to amend our ordinance and add site specific address certain early voting locations in the county in addition to what we already have. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you Mr. Bricksman. And then lastly I will say that this is a really heavy consent agenda with me. We've done a whole lot. We're not going to talk all about it, but we've done a whole lot. The Arcola Court is for the enslaved stewardship management plan is also really, really important. It is so important that we take care of our historic properties and manage them well. So that's also being proposed on the consent agenda tonight. So I want to make mention of that as well. All right, I made the motion. Seconded by Ms. Briksman, all my people say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 9-0. Supervisor, as you will notice, that the item number 7, which is the group's biggest village, did come off the consent agenda. With that coming off the consent agenda, I'm actually, when we get to action items, I'm going to put that first. I'm going to put that first because they had not planned or commented at all because as of an hour ago was actually on consent. So since they did come in, I'm going to go on and jump that first and head of the other action items. OK. Suppose if you give me just a second, I do want to go through some of the things that have happened in the past two weeks. I'm going to sit in the two months because it's felt like that. All right, I told you all that I would bring back to you what I was doing on the Health Policy Committee. I am the Committee Chair for the National Association of Counties Health Policy Committee. And I started off with four planks and topics I'm going to want to work on. I took one away because I didn't know. Because NACO very much, the policy committees or the committees from the National Association of Counties that put forward actual legislation in front of Congress. And so if I'm not quite sure how to either do an influence campaign or legislation, then I took it off because I just didn't know what to do with it to be quite honest. And I'll try to figure about later, but for this year, one of the planks came off. But the four planks that the Health Policy Committee and we have the meeting of the entire Health Policy Committee agreed on. Our first one is physical and dental health, with the focus being on dental insurance and options for economically disadvantaged children. I read somewhere that the two things that really impact people's health is your mouth and your feet. If you can't eat well, if you can't walk, if you can't work out those two things. And so what we're finding is there are a lot of economically disadvantaged young people, children, who don't have, who are not getting good dental care for a married of reasons. One of the discussions I will have, when we have this discussion with one of the other policy committees is What what types of food is available for these young people to have for these children to have because if you live in a place Where you're to food desert and you have nothing but you know convenient stores and such around and not the right foods to keep you healthy and keep your teeth healthy That's that's an issue as well as having the correct insurance. So it's physical indento with the emphasis being on dental coverage for economic disadvantaged children. The second plague is sexual health with the focus being sexual health and education for the aging population. At this moment when I'm seeing aging population, I'm talking about 70 years old and older. What we're finding and this is great is that older people are having sex and yay, that's a good thing. But they're not always having in the healthiest manner. And for lots of different reasons, older men are not using condoms. And that's a problem because older men are not using condoms. And that's a problem because older men can pass on all kind of issues and they have to older women. And it's a lot of shame around rather not your having sex. If you're seven years older and we want to do two things, one, we want to decrease that stigma. We just want to say live your life as full as you want to, to you're not living it anymore. Go for that. But let's do it in the healthiest manner possible. So it's both decreasing the stigma and then talking about how you have to have healthy habits for your sexuality right through your entire life. The third plank is mental behavior of substance dependence and the focus is going to be on what I'm calling drugs of entry. Some people have called them gateway drugs. I'm never really like that term to be quite honest. My feelings and you guys have all heard me say this before is we make a huge mistake in this country when we focus on the drug and not the disease of substance dependence and so when 25 years ago we were we were focusing on Free-based cocaine also called crack cocaine we put people in jail and chain sentencing laws when 15 years ago It was methamphetamine we put all the medications for my allergies behind the counter. Right now we're focused on opioids and we're doing a better job of focusing on opioids, but we continue to focus on the drug at the time. And if you focus on the drug, you're gonna focus on the drug. Instead of focusing on the entry behaviors and the things that believe people into it. And so really it's more and much more focusing on what's happening in middle school than what's happening when you're 35. I care about what's happening when you're 35. But if we can kind of correct some of the correct influence on this behavior in middle school, it would be helpful. One example is I found out not long ago that there are foresells and operative children, markers that are sentient markers. Well, we don't want to teach kids to sniff markers. And so things like that, we don't want to teach anyone to sniff markers. So although with their sentence, with us not supposed to be toxic, the behavior that you learn to sit in class and sniff a marker is not a behavior we want to teach. And so sometimes we do things without thinking about it. And so some of those entry behaviors and entry behaviors, I'll say, then leads to something else and something else and something else. And so that might be more of an education campaign or more of an influencing campaign, the legislation. I haven't really figured out how to make legislation out of don't sniff markers, but we're working on it. We're working on it. And so anyone who has any help on that would be great. And then the fourth plank, and that's the one that I'm really excited about, and that NACO is really excited about, is social health, environmental health, and wellness, with the focus being social media and gaming, as it relates to your mental health. And what we know is that social media and gaming as it relates to your mental health. And what we know is that social media and gaming impacts everybody and their mental health and impacts young people different than an impacts adult but an impacts adult. And so, you know, if you're a 33-year-old woman and you're having a tough time for whatever reason, you look online and like all these women look fantastic. All the time and they all have perfect marriages with their handsome husband and their great little kids and 2.5 children from picket fans. And you're like, what is wrong with me? Like, why can't I even go to bed this morning? Why is my, you know, why is, I can't even call my hair? What's going on? And so what we do with social media is we compare what we feel on our insights with other people's outsides. And your insight will never be able to beat someone else's outside when their outside is being put up there for everyone to see in their very best light. We also know with young girls, they are often trying to match what they see online. But with their scene online online it's not real. Like, you know, no one looks like that, right? Those pictures are airbrushed and all types of things, but when you're 13 years old, you don't know that that's not real. You think that's some people look. And then as far as gaming, what we're finding with most of, mostly our male population, and by the way, the average age of a gamer is 34. And we're finding that gaming is, it has some positives to it. All these things have positives to it. But gaming really is decreasing the amount of social activities outside of the gaming community. We're finding people who are gaming for six, seven, eight hours a night, which is, means you're not doing anything else with that. And it's leading to more anxiety, it's leading to more anger issues, all those things. And so, Neko has been really, really forward leaning into talking about and figuring out all of our mental impacts of social media and gaming. So those are the four planks that we have put together and that we would be working on. And I will continue to talk to everyone around and I really do want to take a moment to think my staff, especially Justin Hennessy and Chris Crentine, who was so helpful in talking about helping me understand how to write legislation and how to do an influence campaign and all those types of things. And so I will keep you abreast. And then finally, MWCog, Metro Washington Cog, the two things we discussed at Cog and Mr. Crony, if I miss something, please tell me. Is the housing affordability, planning and programming grants. If anyone would like me to send them the Cog package so they can read it, I won't go through it all now. I think it's fascinating, but you might not think it's fascinating. And so I'm happy to send it to you, but like me too, the second thing was the capital area food bank hunger report, which was as we sadly suspected every single community in the Washington Metro region had more people who were needing to visit their food banks. And as we come up on the holidays, we're going to have even more people needing to visit food banks. And all the reasons why that is true was also was also in there. So again, if anyone would like to read that, I'm happy to send it to you. Again, I thought it was not just fascinating, but really, really important to find out what's going on and why. And so I will send all of those things to you. All right, having said all that, I'm going to do my voice for a cause now. My voice for a cause today is silence no more because it is domestic violence prevention of. Silence no more is a hands on nonprofit charitable organization who is committed to working with survivors of domestic violence with the aim of building the system of support to sustain that victim for at least two years. And so it's not just, it's not domestic violence triage. It's domestic violence treatment for the two year outlook. Science No More works with various organizations, agencies, community members, and survivors to make a difference in the battle against domestic violence. Through advocacy, education, communication, community, commitments, has no more is working towards building a platform that will sustain a victim for two-year survivorship and beyond. Today we have with us gift-wide and soundness no more founder, Lisa Jones. Thank you both for coming in. We appreciate you. I have some questions I'm going to ask and I probably won't throw in, I've won, you're not ready for them because I'm looking at your faces right now so I probably won't do that. What programs and services do you offer to domestic violence victims? First thank you so much for having us. I appreciate this so much and bringing awareness to this platform. Sonnet Samores created an atmosphere for victims and survivors to attend and participate in group support groups. Awareness trainings that offer Q&A participation. We do human trafficking training that also offers participation in Q&A answering. We do volunteering which surrounds survivors around support systems and other survivors throughout the year. We do annual ceremonies and team buildings, which we call, excuse my I'm nervous. We have volunteers that support survivors four to six months out of the year. Tell me why Sanhas No More, which is unlike other nonprofits or even faith-based organizations that address domestic and sexual violence and trafficking, tell me why you all decided that you would do the two-year program, a two-year outlook. That's a long time. Why two years? outlook. That's a long time. Why two years? Experience. Experience. Doing surveys and working with other survivors to understand what helps them. So I can say for a fact, if you are in a sort of a, the Envictimized for two, three years, two, three weeks is not gonna help you. It takes a good six months to realize everything that you have been through. Everything that you have experienced, what you have lost, financial loss, whether it's fear. Once you are free from your victimizer, you have to get free from yourself. And so it takes about a good two years of partnering, extending. You may need financial. So I just know more cannot provide all that help. So we partner with organizations that will provide that. And that takes time. You're not going to learn about your financials. They do not have access to for two, three years. That takes help. OK, wow. Wow. I hadn't thought about that. What organizations do you partner with? So we're actually very lucky and we've been able to establish some very strong partnerships throughout the county with local businesses, other local nonprofits, a couple of our nonprofit partners, women giving back, which I believe has actually been one of the voices for cause previously. There are wonderful resource of referrals and partnership for us. LC WAG is another one. We've also been very fortunate to partner with local businesses. Walmart has been a huge supporter for us. We also have, it's a first financial bank, I think I'm going to say. So, you know, trying to build that partnership that's going to satisfy those different aspects that a survivor really needs when they are looking to establish themselves outside of that DV relationship that they've come out of. The biggest support that we have are the survivors that we've worked with the ones who make it through Come out and they turn around and they say I'm ready to help the next person Them lending their strength their voice they they remain the biggest support that we have but in the community It's our you know our local officials. It's You know public services. it's the businesses, it's the other nonprofits, it's really up to the community as a whole. And that's why we're here. So let me ask you a question. The first one before I ask it, we take a picture because you're just closer to them. You have a better aim. We take a picture of them when we're doing this to you, Mike. Let me ask you a question that's not on the list. So when researching put a domestic violence proclamation, it said that one out of four women in their lifetime will experience domestic violence or sexual abuse or something, 25% of women. And for our Native American community, it was 50% 50. And of that 50% of Native American women who would experience some form of sexual domestic violence, 73% of the perpetrators are not Native Americans. So those were really interesting. I had no idea that these numbers were this high. I mean, 25% those numbers just, they're just so disturbing. Later on, because we don't have time to do it right now, I'd like to have a discussion with you all about what is, what does prevention look like in this discussion? I mean, because you all are doing amazing jobs at responding, But what does prevention look like? Because those numbers are so, so high and much higher than I ever, I ever realized. But my last question is, if somebody wants to seek help and they want to reach out to silence no more, either if they want to seek help because they're being victimized or if they want to seek, they want to reach out to help. How do they do that? How do they reach you? So the biggest thing with silence no more is we don't wait for the reach out to us. We go to them. We are partnered with organizations, corporations that house up to 342 residents, all up to 5000 residents. These particular partners have a DV sheet that have access to partners and to us. Those are referrals. We have great partners that give, mention, that we take referrals from. And then we can access where they are because every victim has different needs. Okay. Okay. So if somebody wants to help, even financially help, how do they reach out to you? We have a website that they can go to? And throughout the year, we provide trainees that are open to the community so that you know what you are actually donating to. It doesn't just help for victims to be educated. It is very helpful when the community leaders stay educated and aware. You want to tell your website? I'm sorry, we call it 99% complete and that is because until we get a hold of what's happening with domestic violence, it's not complete. So it's 99% complete. 999-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-099-0 Jones, you all are doing, you are doing heavy work and you're doing work that willy sometimes governments can't do. So we appreciate you and unfortunately we need you and so thank you very much for all you do. Thank you very much. Mr. Hempstreet, do you have any comments for us this evening, sir? Thank you, ma'am. I've got four comments for this evening. First is that one of Loudoun County's signature agritourism events takes place this weekend, the fall farm tour. On Saturday and Sunday, October 19th and 20th, residents and bitters are invited to take part in a free self-guided tour of more than three dozen farms and egg-related businesses participating in this year's event. The tour showcases loud and made, loud and grown products and highlights the diversity of the county's agricultural economy. There are also many hands-on activities and demonstrations designed for all ages. More information is online at loudandfarmtour.com. Second, Loudoun County Public Libraries eat local, read local, festival returns to Cascades Library this Saturday, October 19th, from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. More than 70 local authors will be on hand to sign their books. The free family from the event will also feature food trucks and live music as well as balloon and henna artists. More information is online at library.loudin.gov. Third, Loudoun County residents with electric vehicles have more locations to choose from when looking for a place to charge their vehicle. The county has installed new EV charging stations for public use at the Ashford Library, Ashford Senior Center, Luckett's Community Center, and the Round Hill Aquatic Center. As you know, the county also offers EV charging stations at the Harmony Park and Ride Lot are two metro rail parking garages and at the Blumont and Sterling Community Centers and the Middleburg Library. Users are charged $2.10 per session. We expect more stations to come online at new locations over the next year. And then finally, I am pleased to introduce to you Nathaniel Wintland, who was our new chief information officer and director of information technology. Mr. Wintland is standing up here near the front. He stood out as a top candidate for this critical position among a strong and competitive group of applicants. He brings more than 25 years of professional experience in leading information security and technology in his system for local governments and the private sector. Most recently he was Fairfax County's Deputy Director of Information Technology. I hope you'll join me in welcoming Mr. Wyland to the team. Which is last name? Whiteland. And you came from Fairfax County? Can I call Jeff McCay and tell him we got you from Fairfax County and say okay, I'm gonna make that phone call. Thank you very much Welcome aboard. Thank you very much Like Jeffrey wants we got it. So thank you very much. We appreciate welcome the loud and can't what you live Yeah, okay You're in this close. Thank you very much. To my staff, can I please get the resolution for Mr. Rogers for Steve Rogers? Where's that at? There it is. There it is. Wonderful. We have a resolution for Mr. Rogers for 44 years of service in the county government. Joining me down front will be Ms. Fricks, Finn, Ms. Eternal's Mr. Rogers? Hi, how are you? There you are. Who would you like us to have joined you down front to start with? Who would you like to come down front to start with? All of you was fine with me, the whole crew, he said. The whole crew? The whole crew, sir. I Yes We don't for being here. I'm going to go ahead and read this resolution for you. As Steve Rogers began his distinguished career with Loudoun County in 1980. It was appointed as the building official in 1991, a role in which he has served with distinction for over three decades. And whereas Loudoun County experienced unprecedented growth with a number of housing units growing from an estimated 32,932 in 1990 to an estimated 15,000. Yeah, this does not rotate. So this would be $150,000, $657,000 in 2024 and the population increasing from $86,129 in 1990 to an estimated $446,530 in 2024 during Mr. Rogers' tenure as the building official. We're as Mr. Rogers ensured compliance with the uniform stay wide building code during the development of data center construction, a changing landscape and commercial and retail development. And whereas Mr. Rogers has overseen 11 USBC code update cycles and updates to other related codes during his tenure, ensuring that Loudoun's buildings and infrastructure comply with evolving safety standards and building regulations, fostering a secure environment for residents, businesses and visitors alike, and whereas Mr. Rogers has worked tirelessly throughout his career to uphold the integrity of Loudoun County's building standards, administering and enforcing the building code with fairness, consistency and a deep commitment to public safety. Now therefore be it resolved that the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors on October 17th, 2024 extends its sincere appreciation to Steve Rogers for his 44 years of service and dedication to the Loudoun community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations, Mr. Rogers. That's an impressive, impressive resume. You like to have comments? Wait. When anyone else likes to have comments first? No roasting is happening here? Is that for him? Don't ask the group. Okay, well, okay, they want you to stay. Another 44? Well, actually, there's an adage. If you find a job that you love, you'll never have to work a day in your life. So, if it's correct, technically, in the last 44 years, I haven't worked today. Oh wow. That's nice. It's the county staff. It's been privileged to work with. Thank you. I don't do this very often. Throughout the county, particularly my staff, This is 83 folks that handle the code enforcement division. Very professional, dedicated to public safety and customer service. And it has been a real pleasure to have served as your building official. And I thank the board for this appreciation. Thank you. Thank you very much. Can I give them a hand? Again. Applause. Okay. So we're going to take three pictures. We're going to take a picture with everybody. And then we're going to take a picture with you and your staff. And then we'll take a picture of you and your staff and then we'll take a picture of you Mr. Himstreet. Everybody else is going to be able to do it. Okay. Those are three pictures. We're going to take good. Good. Okay. Now I don't know how Gleen wants us to do these because I- Those are the instructions. Squish. Okay. Ready? Three, two, one. Three, two, one. Okay. three, two, one. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the other side. I'm going to go to the next floor. Here we go. Can you step in? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go's not the same. Yeah, it's the same. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to get it. You know what? You know what? I'm not going to get it. What the fuck am I doing? Okay, I think we actually have time to knock out one action on before we do the five o'clock speakers because I do not think the Goose Creek village is actually going to take very long. It was actually on consent. I think one supervisor took it off consent. I don't believe we need a presentation or anything. And this is in the Asperin District, Mr. Turner. Mr. Turner. What's Mr. Turner? I was trying to turn this not here. So maybe we're not doing that. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get this done. You all want to come down anyway for staff or Goose Creek Village? Okay, here we go. For staff or Goose Creek Village, let's try to get this one knocked out. I'm sorry guys, this is not a public hearing. This is an action item at a business meeting. So we'll need you to guys at the table this time. We need staff there, okay. Thanks so much. Is it anything that we, again, this was on consent. So I'm gonna imagine there's nothing new. There's no new information we don't know already is that correct. That's correct nothing nothing that we don't know. All right um knowing realizing that I'm going to ask Mr. Turner would you like to make a motion because this is an item that we we we we well know already would you like to make a motion? Because this is an item that we will know already. Would you like to make a motion, sir? You bet, Madam Chair. I have one second. Okay. It is on page seven of the item. I move the Board of Supervisors approve ledgy 2023-0038, Goose Creek Village west, ZMAP 2022-0013, specs 2022-0034, ZMOD 2022-0046, ZMOD 2022-20047. ZIMOD 2020-20048. ZIMOD 2020-20049. ZIMOD 2020-30030. ZIMOD 2020-30044. ZIMOD 2020-2003040. ZIMOD 2020-30045. ZIMOD 2020-200304047. Subject to the proper statementers Statement dated October 9th, 2024. And based on the findings approval provided as a Tassarins 1 and 3 to the October 16th, 2024 Board of Supervisors Business Meeting Action Item. Second, discussion on the motion, Mr. Turner? I have no opening comments. discussion on the motion anybody else? Miss, I'm stuck. Thank you Madam Chair. I have no opening comments. Discussion on the motion anybody else? Miss Umstead. Thank you Madam Chair. First I want to praise the applicant and the applicants representatives who do a superb job on presenting this. But this converts commercial space meant for an office park into residential, fairly high density residential with 221 units. This is going to cost the taxpayers in annual school operating costs, about $1.7 million and in capital costs, the equivalent of about $7.1 million for those reasons I will be voting against. But the applicant did a superb job. Thank you. Thank you, anybody else? Madam Chair. Sorry, there's no corrections to the motion we just caught. I think there was an interversion deletion when we were finalizing. So it also needs to include reference to the conditions of approval. Also dated October 9th, right now it just includes the proper statement. All right, Mr. Turner, you want to just add that. And including conditions of approval. Based on the. Providing the provisions of approval. All right, that's already in the motion I just read. I thought based on the proper state and dated October 9th, 2024, and Any further questions? That's already in the motion. I just read. I thought based on the proper state and dated October 9, 2024 and based on the findings approval provided at Tatchin's 1 and 3 to the October 16, 2024 Board of Supervisors business meeting. There's also conditions of approval with the same date that our attachment to that should be referenced. As well as the conditions of approval dated October 16th, 2024? October 9th. October 9th, 2024. Board of supervisors, business meeting, action item? Yes. Thank you. How long has this piece of property been sitting without having commercial development on it? I don't have that answer available at the moment but I can come up with it. Do you have an idea or rough idea? Has it been over 10 years? Yes, I believe so. So my point is, I think if this was going to be commercially developed, it would have been commercially developed. It hasn't been commercially developed. I also think that, no, let's change that. I know that we have a, a, a, um, dearth of homes in this county. Um, we have a dearth of homes in this commonwealth and in this country. And so, um, we need homes. Yeah, we are not even able to attract some businesses, especially retail businesses, because we don't have enough rooftops to support the business. And I think that it is a lack of humanity to break down nothing but what someone will cost when they need a home. People need homes to live in in this whole country. And you better believe it costs a whole lot more than building homes is having people who are homeless, having people who are precariously housed. That's much more expensive. When you look at kids who don't do well in school, the kids who don't do when all the cohorts of the kids who do not have a home to go to at night. Because if you do not know where you're going to lay your head, your algebra test just doesn't mean very much to you for the next day. Laying your head somewhere at night is much more important than that. Every study we say, we've seen says that Loudoun County and the metropolitan Washington area and the Commonwealth and this country needs homes. And if we don't start approving homes pretty darn quick, no it's going to happen. The state and or the federal government is going to try to take over local zoning. And we're going to have things shove down our throats with no infrastructure, no schools, no roads, no nothing. We never want that. We will lose our ability to do local zoning. This is a good application. And these people who are going to move here are much more than a number that they will cost. They will be our neighbors, they will be our friends, they will be our church members, they will start nonprofits, they would be in little league games. They would do all kind of things just like everybody else who bought a house, did in Loudoun County. Mr. Attorney, would you like to close in? Yeah, Madam Chair, I just want to compliment any applicant. I think this is a good application. I do want to apologize that it was taken off consent one hour and 42 minutes before this meeting for no substantive reason that I can see. That's inconsiderate. I can only imagine what went through your mind when it was taken off consent less than two hours before this meeting and I do apologize. That's all I have. Thank you. Mr. Turner, make the motion. I second the motion. I'll I can't say aye. Opposed? That motion will pass eight. I'm step one against the motion. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. We have got, we are one minute from the five o'clock time, but we're going to go on and trust that everyone is here for the public comments. If I call your name and you're not here, I will roll back around to you since I'm calling you about one minute earlier. All right. The first person is William Clark, followed by Jean Fonse's block, followed by Kathy. Is this right? No, this is not right. This is from, I recognize these names. This is from Public Hearing a couple of nights ago. Let's try this again. I recognize those names. And because I recognize the name James Francis Blanc, it's a beautiful name. So I've never seen that the other night. Not that these names are not also beautiful, because they are. All right, but these names are Earl Dubin, followed by Mel Miss Kinner, followed by John Rizic. There we go. Hello, sir, either way is fine. You have two and a half minutes. We're ready when you are. Well, thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair and members of the Board of Supervisors. My name is Earl Dubin and I am the project coordinator for the town of Hamilton. Late last week, Mayor Wein sent an email to you all detailing three projects that were requesting CIP funding, county CIP funding for and I'm just going to just give a quick summary of those projects. Thank you. The first project and our highest priority would involve sewer relining of our older clay lines in the town of Hamilton. We completed phase one of that relining about a year ago. We have about 15,000 linear feet of clay lines in the town out of approximately 40,000 linear feet of sewer lines. And during a storm event those joints have opened up over time and that allows for infiltration and inflow of some of that storm water runoff which creates inefficiency in our wastewater treatment plant. So we're requesting this next phase which as I mentioned, readline 10,000 linear feed of our older clay lines is approximately $8,000, $800,000 linear feet of our older clay lines. Is approximately $8,000. $800,000 were requesting that in different phases to continue moving forward with this project. The phase one project, which I mentioned that we can put it last year, which did 5,000 linear feet, was paid for through ARPA funds and also town resources. And hopefully this will create better efficiencies with our wastewater treatment plant and allow us to lift a sewer moratorium that the town has had in place since 2015. The second project is a pedestrian traffic safety project on East Colonial Highway. The town completed the first phase of that West Colonial Highway, which included sidewalk, reconstruction and drainage. This project, which is a pedestrian and safety project, would include traffic calming measures, new drainage, sidewalks, which would then connect the entire town. Colonial Highway has approximately 10,000 cars per day. It's more residential in nature with some churches, some schools, a park, which has regional use. And this project, which we, the town, has already used funds for concept plans, would cost $6.7 million. We're asking the county for 1.4 to begin design or also to do a match with federal aid. You know what, thank you for coming in so much. We appreciate you coming in. Thank you for that information. All right. Thank you for your time. Our next speaker would be Malin Skinner followed by John Rizic followed by John Benedict. Good evening, Chair Randall. Good evening. And the rest of you, supervisors. It's important for you all to understand how county decisions impact those who must deal with the results personally and on a daily basis. The filament by our house scheduled to be replaced on our horse-head grounds has already taken its toll on some of its adjacent neighbors. The Rotter-Bas, their house in July, the first four interested parties walked away when they found out about the pending construction. Amanda will put her beloved historic log cabin on the market before the school year ends. Next door, the bakers who have lived there for over 60 years continue their worries about the negative impact, the abundant use of well water will have on their hand dug well that was there before they moved in. The $10 million bond referendum for Loudoun County Fire Rescue includes 1.6 million for the Philomont Firehouse now bringing the cost to over 25 million. Not really sure how much more salt can be poured in this open wound. There was nothing right done with this process, this decision, one that will forever change the fabric of our village, but sadly, most don't really understand that statement. At the April meeting, some of you brought up how purchasing another parcel would add to the cost. Yet 60 days later, you approved another 1.6 million for this firehouse. Here's the kicker. Replacing existing firehouses in the west with larger structures does not improve the already below average response times There is a report to support that the average coverage for these firehouses is approximately 40 square miles With roads bridges and driveways they cannot be as that Assist safely by fire trucks and tankers that are too heavy wide and long So maybe many involved have missed the point. Western Loudon needs smaller, more efficient apparatus, resulting in a smaller footprint for the firehouses, and maybe two to three strategically placed smaller firehouses that provide the much needed quicker response times. As for the other eight plus million for apparatus, I still see zero for the additional staff at filamont to be able to staff the ambulance. It's been sitting in our bay for over three years. 75% of the 911 calls are medical, not fire. So Filamot and our surrounding residents have to wait for an ambulance from the surrounding fire houses. All of which have staffed ambulances. But you see that was one of the sale pitches used on the handful of people who spoke for the new fire house. You'll finally get an ambulance. So he'll wait for another three years instead of adding one more person. I guess our 9,000 square foot firehouse is not enough to house five people. Counting these to understand the impacts of their decisions. Thank you, Miss Skinner. John Vizic followed by John Benedict followed by Larry Lloyd. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm here to talk about Mickey Gordon Park. I own the 98-year form that shares the property line with Mickey Gordon Park. I have been here a long time way before the lights and the recycling center went in. The middle bird citizens have only one park and recreation resource for their tax dollar and that's Mickey Gordon Park. We went to four meetings with parks and recreation and we consistently and professionally delivered the same message as we did the first meeting. Parks and Recreations came up with concepts A, B and C, but they do not reflect the input from the community. The modest community suggestions for the park do not justify the $10 million price tag. The main topics from the community, not all, but the main topics were, number one, overwhelmingly, dawn to dusk park, take down the lights. Number two, low impact park. Keep the rural character, historic and agricultural setting. Bring baseball back. Walking trails, no paving. Offering only concept A, B, and C to me is like asking me if I would rather get kicked in the knee or get kicked in the shin and I have to pick one. There has been talk about lack of use at the park. One could argue that Route 50 being only two lanes is under usage. The town of Middleburg is underused. No 7-11, no McDonald's, no CVS. We like it that way, and we've worked a long and hard to keep it that way. The Cricket League website has two cricket fields on it, and the cricket fields of the park this summer were not used for two months. There's two fields. Each one had a 30-day period where they were not used. Although parks and wrecks is proclaiming a profound need for more fields, nobody has a problem with the game of cricket or the people that play the game. At our meetings, there were a number of people from the Middle Bird community that wants cricket pitches in their park. And that number was zero. Absolutely none. Please recognize the African American community that founded this park. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. John Benedict, followed by Larry Lloyd, followed by Megan Gallagher. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you. I am John Benedict. I live in Middleburg and I'm also here on behalf of the board of directors of Laudan's future. I live in Middleburg and I'm also here on behalf of the Board of Directors of the Lions' Future. I wanted to suggest that you actually take off the Mickey Gordon Park proposal from the capital improvement budget and instead direct the department to make more modest improvements within the annual maintenance budget and with discretionary funds. Mickey Gordon Park isn't the place to spend 10 to 13 million for traditional recreational facilities development. It's really the wrong place for intensive use, which is why the championship athletic complex for cricket was also not popular. The community wants some improvements, better maintenance, but that could be done more modestly than concept A. People support concept A is the best of the three choices presented precisely because it's more modest and scale. Instead we should be thinking about a concept A light. Intense recreational development really shouldn't be a priority at this site. We shouldn't be treating all parks alike with a single-minded focus on athletic facilities served by paved roads, suburban parking lots lots and field lights. This is mostly a natural open space offering a rustic and rural experience largely available in the county's growth areas. People traveling to southwest Lowne want and expect a park experience different from what they'd find elsewhere in the county. And the park has been underused and that's not surprising, given its remote location, an inconvenient distance to serve the county's population centers. It's long been under maintained for the same reason. It's just not just inconvenient for cricketeers in the eastern loud. The little league exec, a little league exec told me, for example, it's unpopular with little league families traveling from Percivalville, because it's just so far through the countryside. And the county doesn't even own the site yet. The county can address the park's needs outside the capital improvement budget at less cost using discretionary funds and the department's annual maintenance budget. These types of improvements would meet constituents needs in both the west and the east for a fraction of the money while freeing up capital budget for more pressing facilities already planned elsewhere. We can restore and repair existing facilities return baseball, put in walking trails and signage to recognize the overlooked history of the park in the neighborhood and maybe even install a restroom. But it doesn't need to be on the capital budget. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, sir. Larry Lloyd followed by Megan Gallagher followed by Lisa Campbell. Good evening, sir. Good evening. You all know once again we're back before with this part of Mickey Gordon Park. It's out of control with arguing over what's one we're going to pick, A, B, C, whatever, but we got to get some results off of this. And first of all, it's the history, history to the park. Nobody mentioned that. As said, the park's been neglected for years. Now, cricket player uses it. So now, we're asking you all to please make a decision and do the right thing to get it back. We had baseball this year. I don't play there in the billboard. I went to the games. I don't want. We were told they were gonna play there. Didn't happen. That's sad. So we definitely need to get this thing rolling. Several meetings back to back. Members back to back, nothing resolved. I know we can get it done. So can y'all please do the right thing and get it done? That's all we ask from you. Duster Don Lights, you know the rule. They have it at the Millburg Community Center. I was there it over the weekend. Big sign. Please respect the ground. Duster Don Lights. What happened to the park? Still ain't got the right answer. Here we're back again trying to figure this out. So let's try to get something done for us. Okay, thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Megan Gallagher and I think my, I have it's a last speaker Lisa Campbell is that correct? For five o'clock, yeah, that right? I'm on the second page. I see it Regina Banks, okay, I do see that, yes. Good evening, ma'am. Good evening. My name is Megan Gallagher. I live in the Little River District and in the town of Middlberg. And I'm here to also ask you to please remove the 10 million light item from your capital improvements budget for Mickey Gordon Park. In turn, I'd like to ask you to direct PRCS to make much less costly improvements to the park within its yearly budget. We never asked for anyone to spend that kind of money there. Logos like me were really surprised last year by the $10 million project to build an international cricket complex. So you can imagine a reaction to the new plan, the supposedly low impact modest plan cost just as much. That's $10 million would be far better spent where the need is greatest, serving residents who've been waiting years for cricket fields, soccer fields close to their homes. I went to my supervisor, Laura Takroni's town hall for the Dallas South Park and I got there early and was helping collect the email signatures for her and talk to people who have a really urgent and pressing need and don't want to drive 35 or 40 minutes away in weekend traffic. That said, if PRCS is going to proceed with a concept A, I think they need to hear from you all, that they need to be more creative in how they plan needed improvements. We keep being told, county policy requires paving the roads and parking lot and lighting the playing field. Well, the paving alone is a million. And the parks on a gravel road road it just doesn't make sense. They can get support from you for a waiver from things that do not make sense in a park that's a rural retreat. I truly believe for a fraction of the money you can meet local needs there but you could also ensure a rural historic rich experience in nature that you won't have anywhere else in the county for all county residents who need a break in the West. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. It's a Campbell and Regina Banks are next to us because Mr. Himstery, if we have time between now and when we can start proclamations, which is 5.30, I might go on and grab this item and do it. It's staffed out. I'm talking to nobody. Please, Mr. Henry is up in my office in mediation at the moment. It's staff, it's staff who could do Mickey Warden Park. If you're here, will you just raise your hand or something? Okay, all right, we may do that next then. Okay, thank you. Thank you. No, that wasn't she had any new dooster stuff. Good evening, everybody, when you are. All right, greetings, Madam Chair, Madam Vice Chair, and Supervisors All. My name is Lisa Campbell. Anyone you are? All right. Creating, item chair, item vice chair, and supervisors all. My name is Lisa Campbell. I'm with bike loud and chair since 2019. Regarding item 14 and bicycle and pedestrian wave finding program, we have bike loud and strongly support the proposed way signs along the routes from the WNOD trail to the Ashburn Metro station with the enormous investment made to bring Metro to Loudon and install bike racks, bike lockers, the way signs will encourage people to bike to Metro and represent county approval of a safe route to get there. On page two dash four, the report states, easing wayfinding to comfortably connect bicycleists and pedestrians of all ages and abilities to key destinations around Loudon is the foremost consideration. And then on page 2-29 the report states proposed pilot route number 2, features a combination of trail segments and low stress shared road facilities that create a loop through the western portion. With the increase of traffic since COVID for safety reasons, bike loud and no longer supports the western route. In fact, it opposes implementing it as currently planned. Our predecessor, Dennis Cruz in 2017, had proposed the route, but he moved Arizona in 2019 and times have changed. The traffic volume has increased considerably since 2019 and there's more housing development in the love, love, it's still area and runs, so this road is no longer low stress, half the route has become a commuter route. Google Maps direct drivers heading to Love It's Fill and Maryland to turn off on Route 9 to Waterford to avoid the daily hours long back up at Route 9 and 287. Recently, while I was going to help at bike events in Love It's Fill, I've been sent along that route through Waterford along with a lot of other cars. The cars were going fast and traffic backed up a bit in Waterford. The big issues for that route are heavier, faster volumes of traffic, narrow roads, no shoulders, washed out ditches, four sight lines, and there's no room for error. Please consider the safety of bicyclists before authorizing way signs that could lead them into danger. I suggest that the board proceed with the Ashburn way sign plans. But research safer routes for Western Loudon and Pike Loudon to be happy to help with that process. Thank you. Thank you. Before you walk away, so just want to make sure you said you were with like bike loud and I do appreciate that. Yes. When you say are you speaking on behalf of the words bike loud and has taken a vote for the position you're telling us right now. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Regina Banks, you will be our last speaker for this five o'clock time period. Good evening. Good evening everyone. Madame Board. I am here on behalf of Mickey Gordon Park. I grew up in Middleburg, Virginia. I love Middleburg, Virginia. I love our rural area. I love our undeveloped area. And we spend a lot, a lot of time at Mickey Gordon Park. And at one time it was called Mercer Field. I was, I would go to baseball games for my father. He was a pitcher for the middle bird team. And then as I grew up, my father made sure all of us played softball. With the girls played softball, the boys played baseball, and he was the coach. And then it went on and on and on. Mickey Gordon Park has been in our history, in our lives, and in our family for years. We feel a big part of Mickey Gordon Park. I feel it's important to also recognize the residents around Mickey Gordon Park. Those are lights, the dusted dawn lights. Because lights that are on late at night are shining in their homes as they're trying to relax after long days work or whatever they've done. And enjoy their homes, which is only fair and everyone else should want that to enjoy their homes, without lights shining in the bedroom windows or in your dining room window from a field. I feel it's very important that we get the baseball back into Mickey Gordon Park. Baseball is such a big deal. We rooted from the baseball. It was also Hall's Park at one time where we had picnics and we had barbecues and we all enjoyed and had family reunions. We would like that back. So I'm asking that you would please remove the idea of lights, continuous lights or turn it off at a certain time. I mean, dusted on isn't bad. And adding additional lights would not be good. Getting our baseball back there at Mickey Gordon Park would definitely be a blessing. Historical signs, but I'd like my father's 96 years old, career and war veteran. He spent a lot of time like I said at that park, and that was a part of his life. I mean, he used to take Mickey Gordon to work every now and then. So it's history for us, and it means a lot, and it's important to preserve Mickey Gordon Park as it is, and not overrated with a whole bunch of cricket players and different things. And I respect sports as it is, but let's keep our baseball. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate it. That was our last speaker for this time. So as it turns out, we do have speakers at the 6 o'clock time frame for Mickey Gordon Park as well. So we can't do that item right now because I don't want to do an item that we have other people to speak on it. Are there any other speakers who have not signed up yet to speak for, to speak, well, you have, you have, I know what he's speaking. Are there any other speakers who have not signed, do you have any more down there? Do you have any more speakers? Sheets down there? That's what I'm asking. I like to see the topics. I'm trying to take another action item right now, but I can't take an action item where somebody is signed up to speak. I'd like to try to stick one more action item in here real quick. I might be able to do commuter bus service. I don't think anyone signed up for that, not at least yet. No, no one has signed up for commuter bus service yet. So is the staff here for that? Not yet? No? Okay. No, no, don't do that. No, we have people signed up for bicycle and way findings. I can't do that. We will just go and do the, let's go take a long time. I'm looking right now. Is that the staff here for item number 14N, which is a bicycle and pedestrian wayfinding program? You hear for that? Yes, come through. Yes, I see. Yes, I don't know. I don't know. If you are here for that, yes, I don't know. I don't know. If you are here for that, you want to come on down. We want to get this one kicked out, and then we'll do proclamations. If you're not here, that's OK, because I'm calling you out of order. It's fine if you're not here. We're not all here. We're not all here. That's fine. That's fine. OK. That's fine. Okay. I tried. I tried everything I could. I did my very best to move us along, folks. Okay. Well, then I will do this. Four resolutions is everybody who is here. Let me see. Let's have dinner. No, we're not knowing. They come. They take too long. We're going to go on to the resolution. See who's here for those. We're going to go to the resolution and see who's there for those because I'm not having staff like nonprofits has missed a word to see here. He's not here. He's not here. Well, he don't see him now so I'm like a dude. Okay. Is everybody here for the Walley holiday? The Arch of Loud, and are you here? Hey! Hey! Arch of Loud, and neighborhood really jazz hands. All right, Ms. Amstett will join me down front for the Arch of Loud in Resolution. resolution. That's what register. All right. This is a resolution to honor the Ark of Loudon. Whereas the Ark of Loudon is a 501C3 nonprofit organization founded in 1967 whose mission is to advocate for, educate, serve, and support people with disabilities in their families. And whereas the arc of loud and includes five integrated comprehensive and direct service programs co-located on its campus and Leisberg's historic district, including the Ability Fitness Center, the Ally Advocacy Center, the Aurora Behavior Clinic, the Aurora School, and the Open Door Learning Center. And whereas the ARC of Loudon annually serves more than 5,000 people across the region, from Jefferson County, West Virginia to Shenandoah County, Virginia to Washington, D.C. With the need for its services growing as evidence by waiting lists to enroll in its programs. And where is the Ark of Loudon is one of Leesburg and Loudon County's major employers with more than 100 highly skilled professionals and the largest private employer in the town of Leesburg's historic district. Now therefore be it resolved that the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors does hereby recognize the significant achievement and critical importance of the arc of Loudoun in the community and larger region. And thanks its staff, board, and volunteers for their dedicated service. Lisa, for you. Would you like to say something else please? Thank you so much for this honor. It is greatly appreciated. Everyone is one, has one, knows one. One what? A person with a disability. And I'd like to just take a minute of your time for you to hear from one of our families. Sorry, I have to read it. Thank you for recognizing the work of the Ark of Loudon and their contribution to our community. My name is Alina Areas and my granddaughter, affectionately known to many as Coco, is a beneficiary of their care. When Coco arrived at the ark, she was locked in and unable to communicate her needs. She spent hours each day frustrated and crying. The staff at the ark and in particular, the Aurora Behavioral Clinic implemented ABA methods that slowly brought Coco out of her shell. Day in and day out for years through many hours of repetition, their perseverance and respectful care helped Coco do things that most of us take for granted, such as playing with the toy, appropriately expressing a need or a preference, even knowing how to behave in a group of people. Not only did they care for her, but they taught the entire family how to translate the work done at the clinic to our everyday life with Coco. Through this steady, entireless engagement, Coco's life has changed completely. She has fun with her siblings and friends. She can be silly and playful. She can ask for a walk or a cookie. She can tell you she's tired or hungry. She is no longer a silent prisoner. She's a teenage girl, obsessed and sunk. While she may never be a professor at Yale, she is happy and functioning and well on her way to contributing to society in her own way. We're grateful to the art and to the Aurora Behavioral Clinic for this. And now we're grateful to you for recognizing the work Aurora and the art do in our community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Chuck C. Something? No. So how old is Coco? She has 13. Well, I would say. She has five and 10. Yeah. I will say Spunk and SAS is exactly what you get from 13-year-old girls. So very good. Congratulations. Thank you. Did I misunderstand? I thought that was it some students at the Arc that recently won an award for some competition? We work with a lot of LCPS students that team up with us and they often win awards. Not our students directly. OK, I thought I had heard that. Well, congratulations and thank you. Thank you. I'm saying it's closing. All right, congratulations and thank you. Thank you. I'm saying anything closing. All right, well, let's take a picture. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to go to the top. I'm just going to do it. All right, ready, three, two, one. Three, two, three, two. Three, two. Three, two. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. If everyone here is for the Wally, let's come on down. Let's do that resolution right now, please. Okay, good evening. So tonight we are continuing our tradition, which is more than a decade old now, to recognize the Wally here in Loudoun County. So I'll go ahead and read the proclamation and then we can hear from a few members of our community here. Whereas the Wally, which translates to the Festival of Lights, is the most important holiday and religious festival in the Hindu calendar. And whereas the Wally has observed each year by Hindus, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and some Buddhists throughout the United States and whereas Diwali originated as a harvest festival that marked the end of the growing season before winter and whereas Diwali is a shortened version of the Sanskrit word Deepavali which means a row of lamps and the holiday celebrates the victory of good over evil, light over darkness, and knowledge over ignorance, as well as the Hindu New Year. And whereas Diwali is celebrated for five nights every year, where celebrants light small oil lamps, place them around the home along with other festive decorations, and pray for health, knowledge, peace, happiness, hope, and wisdom. And whereas Loudoun County has a large in the American population that's actively involved in our community schools, sports, volunteer efforts, nonprofits, and businesses. And these residents will observe the Wally beginning October 29th, 2024 with the main festivities occurring on October 31st. Now therefore be it resolved that the Loud and County Board of Supervisors and all the citizens of Loud and County recognize the many contributions that Indian Americans make to our community and hereby wish them a festive and enjoyable Duwali celebration in 2024. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. Good evening. My name is Yosha Patel and I am a sixth grader at Eagle Ridge Middle School in Loudoun County. The BAPS son style would like to thank the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors for recognizing the Valley and inviting us here today. Every year at this Fominar and Monday, we celebrate the Valley. We also celebrate KDC, which is referred to as the Kids Diwali celebration. KDC is the most exciting time of the year. We play a variety of games and we indulge in many different types of foods. After the day of Diwali, we celebrate Unkut, the first day of the Hindu calendar year. Unkut means mountain of food. On this day, we offer delicious vegetarian food to God as a symbol of appreciation and gratitude. When uncute is near, me and my mom bake a delicious meal to serve to God. In total, they're about 400 vegetarian dishes. The valiant uncute will be celebrated on November 2nd this year. We hope you will come and celebrate with us at the BAPS Vamanaran Mandir. Your presence will be highly appreciated. Happy the valley. All right, to the honorable members of Latin County Board of Supervisors. And once again, keep in this tradition alive and thank you for this thoughtful Devali Proclamation, the recognition of the Valley, the Festival of Lights as Yosha mentioned. Latin County is a place where diversity is cherished. And this gesture reaffirms that inclusiveness and unity and by acknowledging this festival you fostering the spirit of togetherness and that resonates with everyone that calls Loudoun County home. And we'd like to share some good news. We've been in Fairfax County, there are a place of worship on our Guru Monswamy's birthday this past September. We actually bought 21575, Ritz top circle and Supervisor Saints District and we'll be moving our home there and hopefully to Loudon County. Thank you. It has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. I've been to all the locations. Congratulations. On behalf of Raijani Mandir and Global Sabapan, I would like to thank the Supervisors of Board for recognizing Diwali as a Hindu festival. And that's the biggest festival for us. And we feel so homely and welcome in Loudam County. And thank you for doing this. Thank you. Thank you. Applause. Yeah. My name is Ashwin. I represent a non nonprofit, Hindu cultural organization called as HSS, Hindu Swaim Savaksanga. And we are very thankful for the Board of Supervisors for recognizing Diwali. As part of Diwali celebrations, HSS conducts a yearly Seva Diwali, which is basically collecting food items from everybody and donating it to the food shelters here in the Lauren County. So I just wanted to thank the Board of Supervisors for giving us an opportunity for conducting our events in the schools, in the Lauren County public schools and encouraging the Hindu values and Hindu cultures in the American public Public Schools and encouraging the Hindu values and Hindu cultures in the American public. Thank you. Thank you. Applause. Welcome back to the boardroom. Hello. Sustine Sastrinavarha Spatirdadhatu Om Dhyo, Shanti Rantarikchakum, Shanti Hitya Prithivishanti Rapa, Shanti Rokhadaya, Santir Svedeva, Santir Pramma, Santi, Sharva gumshanti, Shanti, Rev. Shanti, Shama, Shanti, Rev. Shushanti, Vavatu, Sarve bhavan tu sukhina ha, Sarve santu niramaya ha, Sarve vadrani with Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? cherished. What a powerful word. Diversity is cherished. So thank you for saying that. And you are in sixth grade. Holy Moses, you're amazing. Were your parents? Mom? I mean, so impressive. Congratulations. You want to hold a proclamation and take a picture? Yeah. Take a picture. All right. Ready, ready, ready, ready, ready, ready, ready, ready. One more for the I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. I'm going to sit back. Please. Mr. Brooksman, would you please join me down front for domestic violence awareness month and would everybody here for month please come down. Hi, how are you all doing? Thank you. I totally forgot the word purple as well. Yeah. Okay. Whereas domestic violence affects one and four women and one in six men in their lifetime. Each year, domestic violence causes harm to thousands of reginians regardless of their race, age, sexual orientation, religion, gender, or socioeconomic status. And whereas, during domestic violence awareness month, we honor survivors and shine a light on this violation of basic human rights to be free from violence and abuse. And whereas, compared to the general population, Native American and Alaska natives are twice as likely to experience violent crimes to include rape or other sexual assaults. And whereas, although progress has been made towards preventing and decreasing domestic violence incidents and providing support to survivors and their families. Important work still remains to be done. And whereas we recognize that the trauma sustained from experiencing domestic violence is not something that someone gets over, it is something that someone survives. And whereas, loud and county partners with various domestic violence and sexual assault services, nonprofits, and faith organizations to assist and support all domestic violence and sexual violence survivors, it's committed to domestic violence prevention. And we pledge to ensure every victim of domestic violence knows they are not alone and And that we foster a supportive Community that helps survivors seek justice and enjoy a full and healthy life Now therefore be it resolved that the Loudoun County Boardors does hereby proclaim October 1st through 31st, 2024, as domestic violence awareness month in Loudoun County. And we encourage all Loudoun residents to become informed about the crisis of domestic violence, sexual crimes, and sex trafficking. Thanks, everyone. And that's where it's like, I know, like do we clap for that I get it I get it I'm gonna have you all speak first and then I'll go over here and then I will come down to down to our staff, okay Thank you. Thank you for this opportunity I'm Valerie Cuffee. I'm the assistant director of the Prevention and Protective Services and the Department of Human Services. And we're so happy for this opportunity to increase awareness, as you said, about this crisis. It does take the community. I love working with our partners that are here. It takes the whole community. We want to increase the awareness so that someone who is suffering knows that there's hope, and not only hope that there's help for this. And so we thank you for this opportunity. We work together to increase our response, and we work together with partners to actually make sure that we have services available. We're looking to expand those services because this is really a great need in our community. And thank you again. Thank you. Thank you so much. Welcome back. Thank you, Chair. Good evening, everyone. My name is Samantha Clark and I'm the CEO of Law's Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Services here in Loudoun County. And I cannot say much more than what Valerie has said other than that law is the designated provider of domestic violence services here in Loudon County. And we provide all services that survivors need here in Loudon County, including many that our partners do as well. And it's important to know, like Valerie said, that if there's a member of your community, whether that's your family, a friend, a family partner, someone in your workplace that is seeking support. I don't know who to turn to. You can always call laws. If we can't help, we're going to find someone in our community that can. If you don't know what to do for someone you love and care about, call laws. We can help you figure out what to do. That's what we're here for, is to make sure that no member of our community feels like they're struggling in silence because violence thrives in silence. That is where violence continues in our community, is when we don't reach out for help, don't know who to ask for for help, and when we as a community don't raise awareness about this critical issue that continues to plague our community. So like Valerie has iterated, we are so grateful to the Board of Supervisors to continue to raise awareness about this issue by having the proclamation, by standing in front of our community and saying that Loudoun cares about this and that this is an important issue that we are going to continue to address here in Loudon County. No, we're good. Okay. Thank you. Anything you want to say? Let me just ask you a question. So I recently went to an event to sign some more put on about sex trafficking and it And it was really interesting because what I learned is, we often think it's sex trafficking as somebody coming into our country in a cargo box or something like that. But what I learned is that there are people who leave their house in the morning, students even, and are victims of sex trafficking who go home at night and you might never know it just to look at them. And so as well as domestic violence and sex crimes, I think the discussion of trafficking of human beings is also something that I know you all deal with and something we really want so want to highlight to make people aware that even in this wonderful county of loud and that's an issue for us as well If possible, I would love to grab my phone because I'm gonna read a victims and pack story It's just right there. It's 30 seconds Go grab it. Go grab it. Anybody else want to talk? I'm gonna pass these out while she's grabbing her phone So after the phone grabbing we can actually be real to take the picture. How's that? Now, do you think it's for all you do? Yes, please. Thank you for all you do. I think you're gonna give it. I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna let Giff Wyatt read something. And why it's so important for us to wrap our arms and surround ourselves for our survivors. This is a statement from one of our survivors who also joined us in the fifth annual P7 Fashion Show. She was one of the survivors that was featured as a model in that fashion show and she reached out afterward and what she said was, I am proud and I am more proud to know and be known by all. Thank you for holding and creating space for me to bloom and grow. Everyone who really, really knows me either by choice, convenience, family. That's been the unanimous ask this weekend. So now that the show is over, you're going to keep meeting with them, right? With silence, no more. It doesn't end now, right? Lisa, everyone, not one person who knows and cares about me hasn't asked that, and it feels really good to say no. It isn't over because the show is. Thank you for choosing me. It didn't have to be me, but the universe knew. I told you, you saved me this year. I wasn't ready to receive the love and the healing that I have, but I'm so thankful to know and accept that I am healing and I am loved and I'm not alone. Wow, okay. Well, thank you for the work you all, you do every day. It is, it is, work, it is heavy work. My only ask is that you guys also take care of yourselves because when you do work like this, secondary trauma is real and can be really, really hard. So remember to take care of each one another and take care of yourselves as you take care of the community and to say thank you all. And let's take the best picture ever. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Oh, we have a state winning track. A soccer team here? Is that true? Like, state winning soccer team. Pretty amazing. Would you please come down to the front? to Okay, so we have had, yeah, just kind of fanned up. We have, we typically recognize our state championship teams here, but I dare say this might be one of the most impressive state championship teams we have ever had in Loudoun County in any sport. So where do you listen to the accomplishments of these ladies, Freedom High School Girl Soccer team? So I'll read the resolution. Whereas the Freedom High School Girl Soccer team, when they're first ever state championship, after a penalty shootout against defending champion Colgan, Prince William County, way to go. And the final game at VHSL Class 6 that's the biggest class state championship. And whereas the Eagles ended the season undefeated with an incredible 23 and 0 record, being ranked the number 11 high school team in the entire country by the US Soccer Coaches Association. And on route to the state title, they scored 121 goals and conceded eight for a per game average of 5.6 to 0.34. As I said, pretty impressive. And whereas the team graduated 12 seniors, several of whom will be playing collegiate in college, including Adi Hess who scored 43 goals and had 19 assists this season, directly contributing to half the team's goals, and was named the VHSL Player of the Year, and a member of the 2024 VHSL All-State Girls Team. And whereas Coach Chris Campbell was named class six, Coach of the Year. And whereas the team was supported through their historic run by coaches, teachers, parents, the Freedom High School community and all of Loudoun County. Now therefore be it resolved that the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors does recognize and honor the Freedom High School Girl Soccer team for winning the 2024 VHSL Class Six State Championship and for their many individual and team accomplishments over the course of the season. Congratulations. Okay. Would you like to say a few words on behalf of the team or any of the players? First of all, I want to thank the board and Supervisor Lertorno for having us and the opportunity to be recognized as you said in your comments of the resolution. It was a magical season for us. I think in addition to what these young ladies and 12 others who have graduated experienced as our team through hard work and dedication and commitment, I think it really was the best in high school sports. And I think we're very lucky here in Loudon County to have the support of the county, our school administration, and the South Riding community who all got behind us for the spring and ended up with us in Richmond on June 8th to celebrate the big win. It certainly was magical. And again, all the support that's offered from the county on down through our parents and administrators was incredible. So thank you very much for that. Thanks. I'm Neelam Chadrian. I'm the principal at Freedom High School. And of course you've all heard how great these girls did athletically, but as a principal at the school, I'm also concerned about the other side of people's lives, and that's academics and character, and I would say that these girls represent the best of academics, and the character of their personality is extremely impressive, both individually and as a team. So it was my pleasure to follow them all season long and to be there when they finally won the state championship. So thank you girls. Yeah, go for it. Go for it. You only get one side of life. So this is my second year at Freedom on the varsity team. And honestly, this year was such a... Honestly, it was like probably the coolest experience I have ever experienced. Like in my entire life, I got to play with my sister on the team. And we were undefeated. like in my entire life I got to play with my sister on the team and We were undefeated and one of the games we had it was during the school day and we had four We they let all the students come out and we had 400 students come out and support us and honestly just the support that we got this year It was just incredible and such a great experience. Yeah. All right. We're going to post for a picture. If we have parents, you're welcome to come up kind of to the front here and get some close pictures if you like. Yeah. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. Ready. All right. Oh really? I'm sorry. Okay. Although it is just a teeny bit early, we're going to go on and start public comments. If somebody is not here and I call their names, I'll circle back around to them when I get to them. We, by practice and professional courtesy, I do call on any elected officials we have in the room first. We do have. We have in the room first. We do have an elected official in the room. Kenneth Wein is the mayor of the town of Hamilton. So he will speak first. He'll be followed by James Russell. And then we have Carolyn who's going to read a statement for Miss Cousarr, who is not actually in the room with us this evening. And then we will have Matthew Nunin. We will go to the web ex for all of those, all the virtual calls at the end of everyone in the room as how we do it. So if the mayor, if you are here, mayor wine, are you here? Wonderful. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Thank you all. Thank you so much, Chairman Randall and the Honorable Members of the Board for an opportunity to speak on behalf of the town of Hamilton, a small town of 674 residents. I have three requests to bring before you this evening. The first request relates to I and I, which is infiltration and inflow in the sewer system. VDH is requiring Hamilton to reduce the amount of I and I in the sewer systems. And since 2015, there has been a sewer more torment in place due to this issue. Resulting in our inability to allow any new hookups to our system. Currently, there are three individuals who want sewer hookups, but we are unable to provide this service until the ion out problem is resolved. In the last year, we have relined 5,000 feet of sewer line and with approximately 10,000 feet remaining to be relined. Relining the old sewer lines will help fulfill VDH's requirements to complete the relining of the sewer lines. We are requesting $800,000 to help in finishing this. We will match it with 200,000 on the end of that. The second request relates to our well-15 project. The well is currently in the planning stages and the well is drilled, but funds are needed to develop the well and bring it online. We provide water and sewer, not only for our citizens, but also for the three county schools in area. Halenton Elementary, Ken Colbert Elementary, and Harmony Middle School. Once the well is developed, it will produce 200 gallons per minute and provide backup for our main well 14. This is well to ensure that we are in compliance with DEQ's water works for regulations and provide a long-term solution to our current water concerns. Our current financial need to begin developing as well is $167,000, with a total cost over the next several years of $10.6 million. Our final request is for pedestrian sidewalk improvements, total cost for this project is 6.7 million but the first phase of funding we are asking for is 536,000. This will help facilitate the planning and engineering needed to construct 5,000 feet of ADA compatible sidewalks, street lighting and pedestrian crossings and reduce lane with the provide traffic calming. If you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them. Otherwise, thank you so much for your time. I don't have any questions right now, but because we don't do Q&A right now, however, I do have your contact information, and I do think I probably will be calling you to ask a couple of questions. That'll be fine. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. Thank you, too. James Russell, followed by, the only name I have is Carol. And I believe it's Carol, followed by Matthew and Nune. Good evening, Mr. Russell. Two weeks ago, this board informed us in the context of a correction that Loudoun County does not hold any investments in any quote, Israeli banks or financial institutions end quote. That's good to hear. That is, however, not what I said. Two weeks before that meeting, I mentioned that three prominent arms manufacturers hold offices in Loudoun County. They have benefited richly off of this genocide. Just look at their stocks. I mentioned a company called Digital Realty, the second biggest company in Loudoun County's data centers, a company that has its own data center in Israel, a company that is a leader in artificial intelligence, and we all know that AI has been an invaluable resource in the Gaza Holocaust. And I confess, as the months grind on, I fall victim to speculation. I wonder what if those data centers, in fact, are at any point, resourcing this genocide in Gaza. What if people on this board are aware that there is that capacity? Is that a coincidence? No, that is conscious complicity in genocide, the crime of all crimes. And again speculating if that were the case, if this legislative body before me truly is complicit in a genocide, I can tell you with some confidence you have nothing to worry about. You have absolutely nothing to worry about. En have absolutely nothing to worry about. Enforcement against the Commission of Genocide is the responsibility of the International Criminal Court. A legal entity to which the United States does not submit. So if this board is complicit in genocide, you can do so with the confidence of total impunity. All right, next speaker will be Carolyn followed by Matthew. Okay, let me be real clear. Let me be extremely clear. I don't allow cheering or jarring for any issue ever. Not just for not this issue, the board of Supervisors has a policy that we don't allow clapping during public speaking and we don't allow booing during public speaking. And let me be as clear as possible, I will enforce that policy. Good evening, ma'am. Good evening. My dear friend, Duna, could make it this evening so I'm here to stand in solidarity to amplify her voice and to amplify her voice and to share her remarks. Hello, and thank you all for taking the time to allow me to speak. My family and I have been residents of Loudon County and the general Northern Virginia area since the 1970s. My mother and her family left the Mount of Olive's neighborhood of Jerusalem and came here to America in the 1970s to escape instability and violence. My father, who was born in Nablus, then left at age five with his family to seek safety in Jordan, had subsequently arrived in the States a decade after. My parents eventually met, got married, and had me. We have not been able to go to Palestine since. My parents have not been to their own ancestral homeland since they first moved here because they have been constantly frightened and worried of incessant violence. Unfortunately, as the years passed by and the older they get, the dream of showing me where they were born, raised, has become just that, a dream. Now that I have a child of my own, I hope that one day I can take all of us back to Palestine without fear of losing anyone while they are. It's bittersweet knowing that the violence and turmoil may never end for Palestinians, yet still having hope and dreaming of the day you get to see your parents smile as they describe the sights, sounds, tastes and feelings of where they and those before them came from. I want to close by saying how much I admire the cultural diversity that has reached unprecedented growth in the area over the last couple of decades. We collectively, as local residents, have worked to make our communities as prosperous and inclusive as possible, which makes me proud to live in a place like this most of the time. Yet I cannot help but feel that the pain and suffering of us Palestinian Americans has gone largely ignored or deliberately silenced. And I demand this board put the utmost pressure on our state representatives to not only divest from Israel who is currently committing crimes of war, but to also invest in advocacy for Palestinians and their right to humanity. Ma'am, thank you very much. Thank you, thank you very much. Matthew Nunean, you will be followed by Gary Nicholson. Good evening. I mentioned this in my past speeches, but I feel it always bears repeating it as long as our local elected officials are silent on this. What we're witnessing in Palestine is an apartheid and a genocide because of American tax dollars and a lack of political courage from our politicians. Let me give you some recent developments. This week, in American, a son of Virginia had his family's house bombed. In the aftermath of this attack, as Alaskan Zorke, he called the Israeli government giving them his address to ensure the ambulance, trying to deliver aid to the victims of his crannet safe passage. Instead, the Israeli government used this information to target them again, killing him and most of his family. A refugee in Kamin, outside of Al-Aksa hospital in Gaza was bombed this week. The inhabitants were burned alive. Doctors in Gaza are consistently finding children shot in the head with sniper bullets. Israeli military and settlers continue to starve the population. And Israel isn't stopping with Gaza or the gradual yet vicious encroachment into Palson-U. West Bank communities, actions that are against international law, by the way. So in light of this, what can we do as a community to stop? What we can all agree is nothing short of a catastrophe. What can this board do? Well, I'll tell you what they don't do. They won't call for a permanence use fire at the bare minimum. They refuse to hold the companies that are complicit in military occupation apartheid and genocide accountable. Corporations over andceiling off of rats 28 like Northrop Kremlin, Raytheon and BAE systems just to name a few. Is this not the purview of the board? It's fine with turning a blind eye to them, apparently. We need divestment from the genocide in a part that we help facilitate in this county instead of pleading ignorance. All right, thank you. Our next speaker will be Gary Nicholson, followed by, I'm sorry, Michael Merritt, followed by Bill Thrillkilt. Good evening. Good evening. Gerandal, supervisor to Croni, fellow board or supervisor. My name is Gerand Nicholson. I'm the commander of the Middleburg American Legion, a veteran service organization in Middleburg that provides service to veterans and youth in general. You may remember me. I came out here back in July. We're recognized for our youth programs, specifically our Boys and Girls State program. And at that meeting, I mentioned that if I had another week, I would have put baseball on that resolution as well. So last week, there was a meeting, a Director Torpy came and presented a plan for Mickie Gordon Park. And I think you beat him up just as bad as the residents of Middleburg did Regarding the plan It's a pretty good plan, but I do want to massage some of your concerns about The demand for baseball in at Mickey Gordon Park This will actually be the third year that I'm trying to bring baseball back to Middleburg I started this process back in 2021. At that time the park had already been converted to a full-time cricket pitch. After the meeting last year at Middleburg, a lot of concerned citizens came to me and provided the resources to start a baseball team and we did that. But again, when we requested Phil, that Micagorn park, we could not play there. So we relied on the community once again to provide field service for this time. And we'll continue to do so until we can get service back at the field. But it's not just baseball that we're trying to preserve the legacy of historical legacy of baseball in general in Middleburg that goes all the way back to segregation when the Middleburg Braves were playing there. And as Mayor Littleton mentioned in that meeting almost a year and a half ago, a lot of the data in the metrics aren't captured in the metrics that parks and rec captures. You know, it's a real park. People play pickup baseball and days of segregation as well with the braves, you know, they just play pickup games in crowds of nobody just for love of baseball. So I know Cheyreano, you mentioned in that meeting last week that you're not a baseball individual, but I guarantee you that if I can get you on that field with me and the boys, you'll love the sport. It's about the passion. We will play anywhere anytime. We just need a fill to play on. Regardless of the facilities that you give us, you just provide what you can and we'll be out there to play. And it's not about, you know, baseball is just a byproduct. We're teaching civics, we're teaching a community spirit, we're teaching engagement for the youth and thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Everyone is laughing up here. Now I do live me playing baseball. Michael Merritt and you will be followed by Bill Threlkfeld followed by the Tisha, Mak Machado. I think that's how I say your name. If I, if I, okay, thank you. Good evening, sir. Hi, good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. Chairman Randall, I don't know if you remember me when, over there in Middleburg at the community center, we sat together at the round table and we were debating on who knew more about black history over there than you were made. I just like to point out that one of the reasons I do like black history is proud that it would be the first servicemen to serve after my great grandfather from my father's side and he served for the north. And after he served in the Civil War, 17 of his buddies died in the war trying to fight for or against slavery. And that's one of the reasons I like it. Plus my wife went to Benjamin Vannecker school, along with my two boys and her two boys and then also our two grandchildren. When Gary came to me about the baseball, I said yeah, let's do it and no one really thought that we'd be able to get a baseball team going. But with the support of the community, with the support of American Legion, we got it going. And right now we're concerned that, and the initial reason for that was to get, make sure cricket didn't come in and take it, take it over. And plus the historical ramifications of losing the African American history there. Gary touched on it that Willie Hall started it in the Negro leagues back in 1920 and did it for 30 years and Willie Hall was the was the guy that was a contractor during segregation and he was very successful building a lot of buildings including Benjamin Bannaker School. I can't get all this in two and a half minutes. And I was concerned about getting an African American on our team and my granddaughter, I said, well, because there's not too many African Americans playing baseball in Loudon County. And I went to all the teams throughout the county, searching for kids to play. And my granddaughter had a friend and he came on our team and he filled the roster, the ninth player. And I just like him to stand, jaw, and that's my granddaughter. And we had a wonderful season and we just want your support to try to get baseball back in Middleburg at Mickey Gordon Park. And maybe we could even name it Willie Hall Park. That would be something. Thank you and congratulations for playing the game. Okay, Bill Velkill, followed by LaTisha Majalil and followed by, I think it's Safian Bebella. I think I'm saying that right. Good evening, sir. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Chair Randall, members of the board, thank you for the opportunity to speak briefly about cornerstones. I'm Bill Threlkel and the Vice President of Community Building and neighborhood resources at cornerstones. We have an agenda item before you later in the evening. Request an exemption from a vehicular personal property taxes. I'll provide the clerk if it's allowed, some materials to share, and be some of my backup plan if I run out of time. We are a nonprofit, even services agency and affordable housing developer, been working in the larger Delis area for almost 55 years. Historically, Loudoun County residents have participated in our housing counseling program, which is funded in large part through grants from Virginia Housing. The next close is bilingual and that's Spanish English. How to prove housing counseling program in the area is all the way into Arlington. We also have Loudoun County residents who utilize our food pantry in Reston, although there's plenty of Loudoun County and are here in the community center particularly if they work in the arndon area. We recently rented in Sterling for 10-year lease, warehouse space with the Jason office and meeting space for the Free from Hunger Center, aka the Food Hub. My office is at that hub and the trucks for which we are seeking personal property exemption or base of the hub for the work that I will describe next. Six days a week, we rescue food at the hub and redistribute it to food assistance providers serving food scarce households in the area. This program brings new sources of food to assistance providers. It is not interrupting existing supply chains for those providers. Since about a year ago when we opened, we have sourced nearly 370,000 pounds of food and distributed more than 300,000 pounds. According to the feeding America, this is equivalent to approximately 250,000 meals. More than 50% of what we've distributed has gone to a loud and county food based assistance providers such as Tree of Life, Dole of South Food Pantry, Delta South Soup Kitchen, and Catholic Charities Pantry. To do all this, we have engaged hundreds of individuals in corporate volunteers who have donated nearly 2,100 hours to the food hub. Also in Loudon County, we are honored to partner with Loudon County and willing to devolve into attainable housing developments, 180 homes at Tuscaror, Crossey and Leesburg and 70 plus units at Old, our Colar Schoolhouse redevelopment approved this year. A matter of time, so I'll close and say thank you and we look forward to working with you. Thank you, thank you very much. Tisha, thank you very much and you'll be followed by, I think it's a Safyon Bebele, followed by Norell Zibda. And I hope I'm saying your name is correctly. Good evening, ma'am. Hello, hello again. I would like to address this board this time as a pro Latina. I stand in solidarity with my Palestinian brothers and sisters so you can see the diversity in the forces that are working together to stop the war machine that Israel represents and the liability that it is for the county and the country. None of us are free until we are all free. And although I rather much be focusing on my future as an immigration lawyer, there is a more urgent matter being livestream as we speak. So here I am learning all that I can about local governance, low budget revenue to address you properly, and hopefully get your attention. And so far, I've learned that Virginia attracts businesses by giving discretionary incentives of up to $150 million for companies that made the criteria, I think it's 50 jobs or so, I need to double check that. Also, it is through the buy-up, the Virginia Israel Advisory Board, that the Israel Ministry of Defense, along with Israel manufacturers and Keywoods industries, obtain such incentives and develop partnerships with leading federal contractors to bring their businesses here to the state. So are we going to keep calling it economic development or can we start calling it for what it is, which is profiteering for the debt from the debt and destruction of Palestinian lives and culture? Because companies like Northroom, Gruman, and Raytheon, which complicity in apartheid and genocide has been heavily documented, are proudly championed by the county as economic successes to encourage other similar companies to make businesses here. But in reality, they are doing ethnic cleansing, the one that we've been bearing witness for the past year. I asked this last time I was here, and I'm going to ask again. Is this a type of job opportunity that we want in the county? Is Laudon County really proud of being partners with weapon manufacturers of weapons that are used to murder children? I don't think it is a complicated question. So I'm just going to end my time with an invitation for an open dialogue. Because this group of concerned citizens, we only want to find strategies with you to refrain these companies that are profiteering from genocide and upper hide to stop coming to the Loudoun County. Thank you. Thank you. Safian Bibel, followed by Nora Zibda, followed by David Blanchard. Good evening. Good evening. Hello everyone. My name is Safian Badole. I live in Sterling. And I'm here today with one ask. Before I make that ask, I'd like to say that I respect and appreciate what y'all do here at the local level. I've always appreciated how the local government influences our everyday lives and how accessible you are to us. Far away from Lodin County, there are atrocities happening abroad, as well, the absolute. Specifically, New Res a Lebanon. They're enabled, funded and supported by many in our state and federal government. I know that your influence in this matter might be minimal, but I ask that you introduce a resolution, calling for a permanent ceasefire in the Middle East, such as several city councils and boards have done across the United States. The day will come when we're asked what we and our positions of power and privilege did when this genocide unfolded. When I answer, I'd like to be able to say that I did my best at the individual level. And that we united and fought together at the community level. And that my county board, the Lauren county board, the supervisors did their part. Before I even talk about the federal government and their role, I'd like to be able to say that many of us stood up for what is right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No, zip-dub. I think that's a Zibda. Followed by David Blanchard, followed by Robert Griffin. Good evening. Hi, good evening. Chair and all and members of the board. You know, genocide is a community suicide. You know, the expectation that a state that has broken, broken multiple international laws and even our U.S. laws can continue to commit genocide funded with our own tax dollars. And that becomes more cruel every day and expect us to have a safe, healthy and normal lives. You know, having that expectation is apex of arrogance. How can we live normally when our tax dollars fund the genocide? The U.S. Empire as a country and the U.S. society will imperil if we allow this genocide to happen with our money and in our name. I never thought at C.A. Day we're burning patients alive with an IV hooked to their hands, will be branded as self-defense. How is killing children and patients self-defense? How did the world become so depraved? So I ask you here, is this the world that you want to live in? Is this where you want us, how you want us to raise our children. How can we teach our children to be compassionate, inclusive, you know, do charitable activities and go care for the environment and we've talked about mental health care and I know this board have talked about agriculture and all the good things. How can we encourage our kids to do all the good things when we turn a blind eye and we allow our tax dollars to support a genocide. I would like this board also to call for a ceasefire resolution. The people in Palestine have been screaming and nobody is answering them. I know you are a local board but we are all here asking you to call for a ceasefire resolution. Let's work together to spread goodness and humanity. I don't know if you accept this to be normal, what's happening in Palestine? That we all accept that this might happen to us in our neighborhoods and nobody will come to us. Thank you. Thank you. David Blanchard followed by Robert Griffin and then we will go before we do the people who signed up this evening. We will then go back to the WebEx and have Miss Bazaar speak next good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall. Thank you. Thank you. Again, I'm David Blanchard, I'm a resident of Middleburg, and actually live on Carter's farm lane where Mickey Gordon Park is our favorite park in the county these days. This is a long process. I'm honored to be part of it as a citizen and humbled by the work that your staff goes in to to work through all the challenges that are part of the demand of our fellow citizens in the county for parks and rec and fun things to do. I think just reflecting back on how this was brought to our community originally, it was a massive shock and something that was equivalent to putting a NASCAR track in the middle of Italy Park. There are three arenas were presented to our community with lights and towers and concession stands in the middle of middle bird countryside. Western Loudon is a natural resource for this county. It's the equivalent of Central Park. We need to treat it as such and think of it that way. We all enjoyed the northern lights last week except for the folks on our road where the lights lit up the sky and blinded out the, you know, once in a lifetime, potentially experienced to see something as special as that. The lights are not what we need there. The road is not paved. We don't need pavement on the park itself. We should have a reflection back to the historic baseball that was there as part of a community of freed and slave people that continued their traditions on Hallsfield and the parks there as well. So I definitely appreciate the work that goes into this. The Finance Committee meeting last week was tough to hear on all sides I would say. And I know we're probably at an impasse. I would respectfully request that you consider funding a recalibration of the park back to baseball, removing of these atrocious lights and leaving this rural park as a rural park. It does not need to be an athletic facility. So thank you very much. Appreciate your time in your work. Thank you very much. Mr. Gifford, give me one second please, sir. After you, Mr. Gifford, you will be followed by. We're going to go to the WebEx for Sarah Bazar. I think she's the only person I see who's on the web. And then from there, we would go to Jim Bingo. Mr. Griffin, good evening. Yes, thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Turner, it's okay to lie to the public and to me, but it is not okay to lie about me. In a legal matter that did not concern Loudoun County whatsoever. But you came and you offered a written narrative that was a false narrative. And you put your prestige as a Loudoun County supervisor on the line to bolster your false narrative in a matter that did not, did not concern Loudoun County. You merely were sought as a witness to an event that did not concern Loudoun County. Furthermore, you also invoke Chair Randall in your fault scenario, Tilve. What did Chair Randall have to do with the matter, in your fault scenario, TILV. What did Chair Randall have to do with the matter, Mr. Turner? You should investigate this, Madam Chair, because he invoked the prestige, the truth, whatever you stand for, that's good. Mr. Turner thought to use that as evidence. It didn't matter that did not concern Loudoun County. Did you consult with her beforehand? As you apparently did in your narrative, your false narrative, what influence did you have on Mr. Turner, Madam Chair? And Ms. Worskman, although you were not mentioned by Mr. Turner, undoubtedly, I think you must have had conversation with Mr. Turner in this matter. I know you all dislike me. You dislike me for coming here and speaking my speech and my truth, but that is no reason why Mr. Turner should offer a thought scenario of written thought scenario in the matter that did not concern Loudoun County at all. And you're much like Mr. Suhas claiming that you're trying to defend democracy. When you demanded that Mr. Farmer representative impeach Donald Trump. Mr. Reassassins. Mr. Ripon? Mr. Reassassination. Mr. Ripon? Yes, Mr. Ripon. Mr. Ripon, thank you. Mr. Ripon,. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Mr. Wraith. Is she on? Sarah Houtain, by the arm? Yes. Good day. His name was Shaban Ahmed. He was my ex-o. The same age as my son. Shaban had dreams of becoming a software engineer. A future full of promise and potential. But that future was stolen from him on Monday, October 14, 2024. While connected to an Ivy fluid line, we covered from injuries caused by Israel's relent misbominium, as the Palestine. Chaban was burnt alive and burned to death. His younger brothers stood by hopeless as he watched his older brother consumed by flames. The agony of that moment captured and streamed across social media is something I'm sure many of you have seen. By the way, today would have been his 20th birthday. But Shabban was not the only one. His mother too was burnt alive. Her skin, melting away as their tent reduced to ash. There were no casualties of war. There were victims of a genocide. But to the mainstream media, collateral damage for Israel's right to defend itself. I will never understand how today the existence of our people who are settlers and thieves of a land can justify the extermination of the indigenous people who have lived there for centuries. For over a year, we have been witnessing the genocide in Zapala's time. One that has claimed the lives of over 16,000 children. A classroom of innocent lives lost every single day for over a year. This is not just a tragedy. It's an atrocity. A stain on our collective conscious and a moral crisis we can no longer ignore. I agree with the statement made earlier. Diversity is cherished, this includes Palestinian children. I am here and will continue to be witness to bear witness of our demands that this board adopt a resolution for immediate impermanence ceasefire, a total financial transparency. You say you stand by your corrections, show us your receipts. The world is watching, and history will remember, where you stood in this moment of crisis. We would also like to know the reason behind the pushback of a recently scheduled meeting with members of this board that was scheduled on October 28th. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Jim Bingle will be followed by John Myers, who will be followed by Jeremy Jones. Good evening, Miss Bingle. Good evening, Chair Randall and board members. I'm Jim Bingle speaking for the Piedmont Environmental Council to offer our thoughts on Mickey Gordon Memorial Park and potential solutions for this western loud and park. Excuse me. As you know, this project got off to a rocky start with a proposal that didn't fit with the needs of the surrounding community. It was a big surprise, but after the initial community meeting and withdrawal of the special exception, the parks and wrecked department took care to engage with the community. They listened to the needs of community members and what they wanted in their local park and put forth multiple options for feedback. PEC submitted detailed comments along with many others on those options to the parks department with aspects of the plans that seem to fit the community needs and add to the quality of life for the residents including restoration of the historic baseball field, the walking trails to the front of the park, pollinator gardens, the villion spaces and the rest room facilities. We also encourage adjustments including the removal of lighting to keep with dark sky policies and keeping the gravel road and parking surfaces appropriate for the rural setting of this facility. It has long been a county policy to limit growth in the west with the recognition that it helps to provide more facilities and services in eastern loud and for the bulk of the residents of the county. What you've heard from residents is that they want a lower level of facilities in the park to fit with its history and environment. That doesn't mean they want to be neglected, just treated with respect for the values of the community. This park can be improved in a more modest and appropriate way at a lower cost and can happen through the special exception process without being added to the CIP. We encourage the board to support improvements at Mickey Gordon Memorial Park without the costly price tag and respond to the local need for a low impact, well maintained, publicly accessible community space. I think what you've heard here and from many folks who participated in the community meetings held by Parks and Rect is that in this case less is more. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Mingle. John Myers, you will be followed by Jeremy Jones, who will be followed by, I can't read this writing. I think it's, I think that I'm pretty, I don't want to mess your name up. I think the mill name is GRDR grider, but the person last name I can't quite read. So just tell me when we get there, please. Good evening, Mr. Myers. Good evening, Chair Randall, members of the Lowne County Board of Vosers. My name is John Myers, a lifelong resident of Lowne County in the president of the Lowne Career Fire Association. I stand before you today to address a critical issue that weighs heavy on our hearts employee retirement health care. Last year at the International Association of Fire Fighters, fallen firefighter Memorial Ceremony, we honored 574 firefighters who bravely lost their lives in the line of duty in 2013, a staggering 72% of these deaths were attributed to occupational cancer. This devastating statistic underscores of profound risks our firefighters face every single day and highlights the urgent necessity for comprehensive retirement health care. For many years one of the most significant benefits of working for Latin County was to promise that upon retirement employees would retain their health cover coverage under a blended 80-20 cost sharing model. However, in 2013 this vital benefit was changed without any input from the dedicated employees who served this community. This led to the establishment of four separate retiree health care groups. Only one group retained the original benefit of the other's face reduced coverage based on arbitrary criteria set by human resources. This shift meant that devoted employees, some of the much as 15 years of one-way voting service, were allocated to lower tiers of coverage, leaving them vulnerable when they should be secure. In 2022, the county revisited the program and discovered that changes did not yield the expect results. Staff also acknowledged that non-public safety employees would benefit more to their higher retirement ages, but they dismissed the valid concerns of approximately 100 public safety employees. Staff suggested it wasn't worth the effort to address our needs separately, showing profound disregard for a significant segment of workforce once again without any input from those affected. This year, on July 1st, we witnessed the exception of the county's first ever collective barding agreement, which included a commitment to negotiate retirement health care, falling to proposal to the finance committee. However, during the meeting, the committee was put in a difficult position, pressured to vote without significant information or clarity on the implications. The scenario highlights what collective bargaining is not just essential but a lifeline for our voices. Once more, decisions are being made without employees having to voice a table of voice that is now contractually required. Given the dangers of firefighter's face, especially with the alarming rise of cancer deaths, it's absolutely imperative that we prioritize their health care needs and retirement. Tonight, you were asked to vote on a matter that this board has committed to negotiate. The cost of retirement health care for future retirees. I urge you to honor that commitment. Let us engage these negotiations now rather than push them aside. I ask you with utmost urgency to instruct staff to come to the bargaining table about retired health care and reject the item they presented. Thank you for the critical issue and for standing with those who did get their lives. Thank you, Mr. Myers and thank you for your service. Jeremy Jones, you'll be followed by, I think it's A's, right, or I think that's how you say it. Good evening. Good evening. Today I would like to take the time to share with you a poem by Reffat Al-Arier called if I must die, you must live to tell my story, to sell my things, to buy a piece of cloth and some strings, make it white with a long tail so that a child somewhere in Gaza, while looking heaven in the eye, awaiting his dad who left in a blaze and bid no one for, bid no one farewell, not even to his flesh, not even to himself. Seize the kite, the kite you made, flying up above, flying up above. And thanks for a moment, an angel is there, bringing back love. If I must die, let it bring hope. Let it be a tale. Last year, on December 6th, refot was murdered by one of the bombing campaigns that we have Something that he saw coming for over a year. This isn't okay. And it hasn't been for an amount of years that is probably older than everybody on this board. Free Palestine. I think it's a Skrider followed by Gary Katz. If I'm not seeing your name incorrectly, I apologize. Could you let me know how to say it? Yes, I shake their urine. Yes. I did their urine. Yes. I did not get that right. Yeah, if you have the letter a little bit different in Turkish, thank you for the opportunity to speak here. Earlier, I came earlier and listening what was going on and a group of us, the group was talking about domestic violence here, we all remember. And the person one of the speakers said, violence drives in silence. So, and we are very empathetic with that. We are trying to prevent domestic violence, homicide. And I know this because I moved to U.S. in 1999 to, for my graduate studies and I met so many nice Americans. They taught me how to drive. They taught me Thanksgiving. They taught me like special occasion cooking because I was in better news at LSU. And here my neighbor teaches me how to make pear butters in Lausville, in Western London. So, but still, I am kind of still can't understand how we are so empathetic and nice and kind, domestically, and internationally, we cannot show this empathy. We are afraid we are going to be known as child killers, baby killers. Because I follow international news, I have families overseas in Turkey, in Finland, in Central Asia. We need to get our head out of the sand and we need to see how outside world sees us. And this is not who we are because I know Americans are nice people, they are hospitable, they are respectful, they are nice to their neighbors and yet we are supporting Killing of thousands of babies and children woman and men This is not who we are. Thank you Thank you Gary cats would be our next speaker Good evening, good evening, Chair Randall and Board. You know, I wasn't really planning to come tonight, which is actually listening on my way home. I drove over. There are too many lies that have been told this evening that I could not possibly debunk in two and a half minutes. Might need some cough drops again. But, someone needs to put the truth on the record. You know what I haven't heard tonight? I haven't heard for one call for the return of the hostages. I haven't heard for one call for Hamas and Hasbola to surrender. I haven't heard one call for Hamas and Hasbala to surrender. I haven't heard one call for any of the babies who are kidnapped and living in tunnels in Gaza right now. How can something be so black and white and also so very nuanced? I think that for folks who don't really pay attention to it the way that some do, the way that I do, the way that many others do, it can be perceived very quickly with just misinformation or partial information to share a propaganda point very, very quickly. But then you have to peel that back and really dig underneath to see what's beneath it. And it's impossible to do that into an half minute. But let's call out a couple of lies that have been said tonight. That Israel is shooting children in the head. That came from a New York time story that was widely debunked because it was completely preposterous. The images that were shown there were called out by ballistic experts through and through to say this is not even possible to show this type of image. Another lie that was told tonight, we still need cough drops, folks. Another lie that was told is that the tent that was the tent area that was in the hospital. Just stop for a second. Give him 10 more seconds. Seriously, I'm not doing this tonight. I'm really not. I'll clear the room. I will clear the room. Everyone gets to speak. Everyone gets to speak. And no one gets to be disrespected in this room. Not why I'm sitting up here. Continue please. Thank you. The lie of the fire that occurred. Yeah, that was a horrific video. How did that occur? That occurred because they were storing weaponry in civilian areas, and the explosions that took place from the strike. We're not nearly as bad as the secondary explosions that occurred as a result of the munitions exploding that were hidden there. And that's why those strikes were made. Sitting at Russia's Shana Diner with my niece a week and a half ago, and she said, you know, Uncle Gary, I think we should still have compassion for the people who are suffering. And my response to her was, of course we do. Of course we have compassion for truly innocent life, for people who are put in harm's way. The difference is that Israel takes every step that it can to protect innocent life. Whereas its enemies hide behind civilians and want the death toll and the suffering to be as high as it can possibly be because it makes for good sound bites and propaganda videos. Thank you for your time. Okay, thank you. And our last speaker is Annie Nicholson. So if she will come up, that's your last pick up for the team. And then we're going to do our information item. Good evening. Madam, ladies and gentlemen, Laura, first of all, my apology I've been not doomed so well. Made a burger has been cooler than last year. And my horses are not too happy with me because I've been sick and not feeding them. I'm here today not to ask you. I'm here today to bake you. My husband, he's here today to ask you because he believed that preserving the community, preserving the legacy and promoting the future for our children is the most important asset this country has. But I'm here today to thank you, to preserve those who have served, he served, I served June 21, 2008, 21 bomb hit our base, January 1, 2010. July 5, 2012, we lost so many soldiers. War is an early thing. War is an early thing. I know that. Better than anyone else. I've been Afghanistan, Iraq. I wasn't born here. But my husband and I signed up Afghanistan, Iraq. I was born here. But my husband and I sign up to serve you so that you can be at home and protect us. And all we are asking you is give us a dark space to heal. Give us a place for us to heal. Middle part, give us a little hope so that we can come home and heal. Those lights, you may not see it in a normal nature world. It's great. God gives light. We want light. But in our world, men, we need to heal. We need nature and darkness. Please take down those lights for the sake of us who fought for you so we can continue to protect you. Thank you. Thank you. And that is our last speaker for this time. We are going to try to figure out how people here for Mickey Gordon Park because we might just do that item so we can just not so we can push you but so we can because you're still here Before we did the information item is staff down here for miss staff here from the people in park Can you come down and miss to crony you have a different motion than is the motion in the package correct and As it has been Past out to people already. Yeah, okay We actually we got it via email and then it's also been passed out to people already? Yes. Okay. We actually got it via email and then it's also been passed out somewhere. Yeah. It's on the green piece of paper in front of you is that Mickey Gordon Park motion for Mr. Croney. Good evening Mr. Torpy. Good evening Chair Randall and board members. This item is seeking guidance from the board on proposed improvements to Mickey Gordon Memorial Park as I'm sure you all are aware staff was working on adding some additional cricket amenities out at Mickey Gordon. As a part of that process, I was able to find out or determine that there was not an original legislative process that had gone through back in the early 80s when the park was first constructed primarily by volunteers. So we started that process submitted a special exception. It was at this time that we started to receive significant feedback and push back from the community on the plan. We agreed to pause that process, began a series of community meetings, and during those community meetings and after discussions with several board members as well as county administration, we decided to pull that special exception with the commitment that we were going to continue that community engagement as a way of determining what the needs of the community were and that led us to really where we are this evening. Back in the summer and fall of 2023, we did go through a significant, as was mentioned many times this evening, community input sessions out in Middleburg. And from that, we were able to come up with three concepts that are a part of your item this evening, you can find that as attachment number one. There are differences in each one of the concepts but each of those three concepts do have some similarities. All three of them recommend converting the ball field back, the popcorn field back to baseball. They also all have interpretive and historical signage as a part of a new trail system that is throughout the entire park area. It does create additional parking areas within the park and relocates the recycling facility as well as adds buffering along little River Term Pike as well as Quarters Farm Lane. The differences essentially concept A was was taking what was there now and just adding those couple of improvements that I just mentioned. Concept B adds some pickleball courts on the northeast section of the park and also provides a secondary entrance off of Carter's farm lane. There's also a natural playground, a pollinator garden, a second pavilion with restroom attached to that pavilion and some enhancements to the existing pond. Concept C is kind of a combination of the two of those in between the two of those with everything that was mentioned previously, but also some pickle and tennis ball courts loaded and located in the central part of the park. And then also has the playground, the pollinator garden, the pavilion and the pond enhancements. All three concepts do follow the recommendation of our standard of having paved parking lots and paved driveways in interior to the park. One of the things at the last public input sessions that we had when we proposed the concepts to the public, we did share with them that that is something that could be addressed as a part of the special exception process, similar to what happened at Love It's Field Park where that ultimately was a gravel drive in Park, or parking lot that was ultimately built up there. So from the feedback and the online reviews that we received back from the public, we are recommending concept A with a couple of adjustments, adding a few pickleball courts in the central part and another pavilion. One of the feedbacks that we had, or that we received, was the historic pavilion that is there. Sometimes is not large enough to handle some of the gatherings that happen out there. So a larger pavilion out there. Concept A does have real restrooms, which was a big thing that we heard from the public. And again, it was our recommendation when we came to the Finance Committee to ask for your endorsement of concept day with those couple of additions and send that to the discussion of the capital improvement program as a part of the FY26 process. And from there we would, whatever the board decides, we would go through the appropriate legislative processes that are needed to make whatever improvements are decided. So would that Chair Randall turn it over for discussion? Mr. Terp, just for clarification, you're recommending concept date correct? Correct. And in concept date you have two baseball fields correct? There's a small baseball field in the eastern part of the park that's correct. That's over close to where the recycling facility currently is, and then reverting the one lighted field that was baseball that was converted to cricket several years ago back to baseball. And then one cricket field as well. There's one cricket field in the back part of the park that would just remain. And is that the standard size cricket field? It is currently slightly smaller than a standard. That's why in the cost estimates, there was some grading to expand that to a standard. Or. Okay. So, Mr. Crony's motion in my, is significantly different enough from the one in the package that I don't know if we need to make the one in the package. Because I wouldn't, I don't think a friendly would be in order because hers is different enough. So, how about this? How about we ask any questions of Mr. Torpy? And then we go to Mr. Crony for her for her motion, which as I said is on your paper in green on your I'm sorry not on your paper in green on the green sheet of paper so Mr L eternal Thank you, Chair Randall good evening Mr. Torpey good to see you so is there a rush to begin work on any component of this, and are there components that could simply be handled as maintenance items? There is no rush. One of the things that we were trying to do based upon the feedback from the community is at least get it as an official project and start that process. But there are some things that we could do as a part of Mainland's yes. I know we're working to add more cricket capacity elsewhere. We do have a Hanson and potentially the private development Arcola, but we're still a ways away on Delos South, neighborhood part, coming to us for decision. Would you say that's right? That's correct. Okay and so we don't know if that will be cricket and if we move forward with concept A we will lose the lighted cricket pitch that's currently in place right? That is correct. Okay thank you. All right Miss Ups correct. Okay, thank you. All right, Ms. Umset. Thank you, Madam Chair. I guess my problem is getting rid of any cricket field that is being used. So tonight one of the speakers indicated that for two months, the cricket fields had not been used. But having talked to one of my colleagues the information I got was that they are being used. So I guess my question is, are those, is cricket being played at the park now. Yes, ma'am. The lack of or the break in the time was during the summer time. And typically that's a change over period from the spring season to the fall season. There are a couple of weeks that are not scheduled just like you have a spring baseball season and a fall baseball season. Some are timed, there is some sport that's played, but oftentimes that's when the tournaments occur and things along those lines. So with Cricut, one of the things that occurs is just like any other sport you go through a playoff season and as teams get eliminated, the need for space reduces down. And the fact that we have pitches at Bowling Park and particularly at Hanson Park, that historically is where the latter part of the season is played. So as you get into the summertime, yes, there is a break where it's not being used. So it looks to me like we have two choices. We either go with baseball or we stick with cricket. Do you disagree with that? We have had multi use in the past and we don't recommend that simply because it's not the best to have. The pitch has a hard surface with artificial turf on top of it is typically how we do that. And it just isn't compatible with baseball. So we prefer one of the other, yes. Among those community members who came out and spoke overwhelmingly, I think, as we heard up here in favor of baseball and potentially no lights, was the community that plays cricket present during those meetings? There was some folks that came out that plays cricket present during those meetings? There was some folks that came out that played cricket and they were advocating for cricket fields. One of the things that we did hear from them, just like we've heard from other sports, is if they had options elsewhere, they would play elsewhere simply because of the travel time. All right, thank you. Mr. Turner. Thank you, ma'am chair. I just want to make sure I understand where we are and where we're going with option A. So where we are right now is we have one unlit cricket field, one lit baseball field. One lit field that was converted to cricket. So it's- Oh, so we have a lit cricket field that's converted- That is correct. So there's two cricket fields, no baseball field, one is lit. We have one small baseball unlit field as well. Okay. And then option A keeps the lit field, reverts it to baseball. That is correct. Keeps the unlit cricket field, keeps the small unlit baseball field. Correct. And it adds a pickable court. No. Option A. Well that is one of the additions that I'm asking to be included with option A. Okay. Okay. I'll save my comments really. I've got a lot of mileage on pickable, but I really do. I have a serious comment about pickable on this when we get into the motion. Thank you, manager. So does the point when you said it? And that's a pickable court. Mr. Sainz. Thank you, Madam Chair. It's on the, so does the point when you said it. And that's a pickleball court. Mr. Sainz. Mr. Sainz. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm good even Mr. Torpey. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Through your previous comments on Mr. Turner kind of highlight the current situation we have a lighted baseball field that was converted to pickle. One unlit pickle, I mean pickle, sorry. Cricket field, one unlit cricket field, one smaller maybe like T ball or something baseball diamond. Little league diamond. Correct. And then with the proposal it's converting the cricket back to baseball but still lit and the one cricket field un lit and the smaller baseball. So in your opinion if we were to move forward with converting the cricket back to baseball, we'll be losing cricket opportunities again, correct? That's correct. I mean is it in your opinion because I know some people mentioned know they have to drive far to get to this field to play cricket ball, but in your opinion, don't other leagues say baseball, soccer, whatever, if they say that the league is based in sterling, for example. Yes, they have games in sterling, but they also have games sometimes in Ashburn, Leesburg, the Dallas district, and elsewhere because of field spaces, that correct? Historically, we try for recreational leagues to allocate spaces close to where the league is based. Travel teams and travel ball that is accurate. The issue with with cricket is the it's a very large area to play on so we don't have a lot of those around the county. Correct. But to my point, it's not uncommon for leagues, again, based in sterling or wherever to travel to other locations to play their sport because of field usage. They will travel where they have field access. Yes, because I'll give you a personal example. My son played was in the Dallas Little League and he had to, we had to travel outside of Ashburn to go play the games in Sterling, Leesburg and other places quite often. So again, it's not unheard of for teams to travel 30 minutes, 45 minutes as we heard in the comments to go play their respective sports because of field, field usage. So it, so my personal opinion, I think losing a cricket pitch is not, not great at this time. I actually be honest with you in my opinion, I would like to see that cricket pitch with lights, because the light technology is very good. Technology wears being right onto the field, and it's not a hindrance to anybody in the area. And I've seen that in use with other fields, and at the lights that are currently up in existence right now, I've visited that location at nighttime, and it's fine. So you have a motion for Ms. Crony. I'll now ask a question when the motion is made about that. Thank you. What's with that? Mr. Kirschner. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you for being here. Thank you for all the hard work. I know this is not an easy one. So let us stop going on. So I think I'm just going to talk a little bit briefly and then ask a couple couple follow-up questions. What my concept of this is and why I think we need to be Similar to what I think that concept A is I actually like supervisor to Cronie's motion I absolutely think we should absolutely not lose and we should make sure we enhance if needed Baseball on this park I think of this historical significance. It is very important that we continue to do that. Obviously, whether cricket remains there in a field or not, I think is a little bit up to the supervisors and what we do. But let me ask you this question. Why do we, because obviously the communities that are playing cricket have to travel a fair distance for this, is my understanding from talking to you and others before. And down route 50 and whatnot. And yes, other teams do travel, I agree, with Supervisor Sains, but obviously they sometimes traveled, which is closer to someone else here. Everybody's pretty much traveling to play cricket here. I'm assuming we have a cricket field here, and it's been operating for a little while because we have a dirt or a lack of cricket fields. The rest, the other part of the county, and this was a field that was apparently available at that time. Is my assessment correct? So Mickey Gordon Park was the location of the first cricket pitch 17, 18 years ago. Okay. When the community came and wanted to start what essentially has become the loud and county adult cricket league. For years that was the only location. And that was because nothing else was available, was that location, the only location. And that was because nothing else was available, is that right? That's correct. Okay. You know, at the time we, that was during a time where we were building other parks, but there was no standard that we had really for how many other circuit fields do we have in the county now? And I'm sorry to catch you off. We have overlay, two overlays at Phil Bowlin, two that are being constructed overlays at Hansen Park. We have one at Guilford Elementary, the one at Hansen Park, which is a dedicated one and the two out at Mickey Gordon's. I think you counted seven or eight there. So, if some of those are up are they the busy are they busier than this one is this one being used more or less than the others or is it receiving similar use can you speak to that. Hanson the overlays at Hanson are not been used yet because we're just finishing up the construction on those right now. The overlays that fill bowling overlays are not as do we anticipate they will be used more maybe or similarly. Well I don't I don't cricket is not going away. Yes so it's going to get a lot of use. Okay and I'm sorry to cut you off but I have 15 seconds left so the other last question I have is is there a concept where we don't have to pave this? We can keep it more of the historic route. And also, if we, obviously, that we have lights there, I would not be in favor of adding any more lights, but can we improve the lights there? Because I have been invited up in many of the residents to even miles away, and it is pretty glaring at times. Thank you. Yes, of course, you can answer. To answer the question about the paving, yes. That's one of the things I shared at the last community meeting was that is something that could be handled as a part of the special exception process. Similar to what happened at Lovevetsville Park that it comes through as a recommendation to keep everything gravel. And that was one of the comments that we heard from the community. Very common comment was please keep the rural character in part of that is keeping it gravel. With the lights, yes, those lights have been in existence out there. I believe for 24 years now. So the technology is vastly different today than what it is back in the early 90s when those lights went in. So I think that if the lights were to be replaced and we were not recommending adding additional lights as a part of any of these concepts. It was just maintaining the one field as lit. And if that was the direction to go with the new light technology, it certainly would be vastly different. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So Mr. Torpy, you mentioned adding pickleball and another park pavilion to concept day, but it's not in concept day now, right? That's correct. Okay, so we heard from the residents that they want a more modest approach. So when I make my motion for concept day, I definitely don't want any additions. So does that follow having pickleball with concept day or does that need to be added? No, if the desire is not to have pickleball or an additional pavilion, then it would just be going with concept day. Okay and then the special exception process you mentioned changes can be made like from paving to unpaving or keeping it gravel can that happen with other features in the park as well with concept day. When we've gone through the process before there's been conditions of approval that have been placed upon an application and that's where the open. So we can make changes. That's very similar to several of our lights set of excuse me, parks that have had restrictions on light usage. Okay. That was a condition of approval. Okay. Okay. Wonderful. I heard Hanson. I heard the Hanson cricket field, you know, the overlay cricket field is not open yet. When will that be open? We're coming to conclusion on that it should be ready to be utilized in conjunction with soccer. I want to be clear that it's not dedicated to cricket, but that will be ready for use in the spring. Okay, so if when we convert the cricket field to baseball, this could be a replacement then. It could help with the replacement, yes. Okay, I just wanna make that clear. The current field at the baseball park, or the baseball field, it's very small, right? It's not at all new regulation I wouldn't say that it is it is smaller than regulation. Yes, ma'am. Okay. The one the field the one on the field is closer Right to regulation the one that doesn't have yes, it isn't a base that wasn't a baseball field. Okay. All right. Thank you Thank you Mr Ricksman. Thank you madam chair. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm a little confused about what the ask is. So I understand that the packet motion has the additional parking political ball courts and pavilion. And you want it to go to the FY26 budget development. And then there's no mention about aspects in the packet motion. But then the motion that supervisor to Crony's bringing about a specs in the packet motion, but then the motion that supervisor to Crony's bringing has a specs. Then I heard something about the CIP. So is it that after the specs has passed, then it will become a CIP project? So we would look for it to be approved as a part of the CIP and when that becomes a project, when that time comes for that, it would initiate that special exception process. So, if any motion we do tonight, does that mean this is going to go in like year six of the CIP? That would be up for the discussion during the CIP. Well, that's the normal process, right? Correct. Okay. Okay. Do we have capacity issues with baseball or cricket more? It depends on the area of the county, I would say, because you don't have a consistent provision of certain types of fields and certain areas of the county. The western part has an issue with all types of fields, yes. I see. Okay. And the overlays you're talking about, they're not preferred by the cricket players. So I've not heard that they have an issue with the overlays that are at Phil Bolin or at Hanson. They actually came and asked for overlays to be included as a part of what we're doing at Hanson. I think where we may have heard issues with overlays is like down at Guilford Elementary, where you've got a soccer, a baseball field, and a cricket pitch all sharing. Oh, that's a lot. That's a lot. OK, so I don't know if we can really count some of those overlays as capacity for cricket, full capacity for cricket in my opinion. Is it possible, so I don't know if you saw Supervisor Decroni's motion, but is it possible to do what she's asking in part two with renovation program funds? Yes, and well, yes, we can do that. And the lights that you will be proposing are dark sky compliant. That's correct. That's what I thought. Okay. What did, well, I don't know that pickle balls gonna come up in front of us, but what did the community say about pickle ball in the meetings? The original there was some just like with most of the amenities that we talked about. There was folks that came out on both sides of pickleball. And essentially where we landed on that was trying to accommodate at a much lesser level than one of the things that was in the one concept. So the one concept that you see had a large bank of pickleball and we cut that down in half so that there was some but not a large amount. Okay. Thank you. So I was at those meetings, at least three of them. I was at those meetings and I can tell you what I heard from the constituents, from my constituents and Mr. Clikronis constituents as they wanted the baseball fields back. That's what I heard. And it wasn't kind of, it wasn't that nuance. I would say in a room of 200 people, there were 10 people who said something different than I want to base bump fields back. I don't know why we're not listening to constituents on this one. This is not that hard to me quite honestly. In fact, the constituents have actually made it easier because I'm a slight disagree Mr. Kirschner. I've been out there and I've seen the lights and I drove all around. I don't think those lights are very invasive at all. I really don't. But if they're saying to me, they don't want lights. And they're like, don't give us lights and save us some money. OK. I mean, I'm not going to force lights in the community that doesn't want them. And then it would actually save us when they're not due for lights. That doesn't make any sense to me. So at some point, this is one of those, I can listen to the community on this one, moments for me, there was, there was, Mr. Torpe has been amazing in this whole time because there were mistakes made and mistakes were corrected. Mistakes of not really having this communication with the community were made. And then those mistakes were corrected. We went back and we had the discussion with the community. So now we have four meetings with the community. Let's listen to them. Let's listen to them. We always talk about like putting things where the population is, of the population needs it. The population in Middleburg is not calling for pick-a-ball as much. And they're not calling for cricket as much. The population in Middleburg is calling for baseball fields. Why aren't we respecting that voice, just like we respect other voices when they say we do want pick-a-ball, or we do want cricket? Why aren't we respecting those voices? I want more cricket fields. Cricket fields are huge, and they're hard to find places for them. I actually hoped that some of the land that we recently bought could maybe be something for pickleball, because that means for cricket. I don't think of pickle ball just to hold another, as a whole nother missbricksman subjects. But I want more cricket. But I do believe that in this moment, saying we will have two baseball fields, put the baseball fields back. And one cricket field that's almost two regulation size is appropriate. I think that's appropriate. And I think it's reasonable. And I think it is a nice compromise. It's not just cricket, it's not just baseball, it's both. I'm not quite sure what the issue is here to be quiet on this. Mr. Crowney, you you like to make a motion? Yes, Chair Randall. So I move that the Board of Supervisors endorse concept day for Mickey Gordon Park and direct staff to being in the necessary work to initiate the special exception process based on this plan. I further move that the baseball field at Mickey Gordon Park be restored and ready for use by the beginning of the spring baseball season in late March 2025 using PRCS renovation program funds. Actually, Mr. Kerr, I'm going to take that second because one, their micestulture went into it, but all the meetings. But thank you. I'm chair. Yeah. I'm going to give her. I'm going to give her. I'm going to get the motions. Do I have to do that in my comment time? No, you don't have to. What I normally do is give somebody the opening and then I split the motions. If somebody requested that's an automatic thing that would, if the request is made, but I'm going to give her an opening. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. So this is Middleberg's community park. I attended all the meetings that Mr. Torpey held and thank you, Mr. Torpey. I appreciate all the outreach you did. And there were three unanimous requests for the park. One was to restore the historic baseball field. Two was to add multipurpose natural surface trails with interpretive signage. And three was to maintain the natural rustic beauty of the rural park. Concept day is not perfect. I think we could reduce it and get to a more modest plan based on the community's needs. But in my view, we don't have that plan yet. We need to go through the special exception process before we put it into the CIP. Residents have unanimously asked that we take, we try and maintain what's there and not add, less is more, I liked what one resident said. And also I liked the idea of concept A light. So I don't think adding pickleball or adding another park civilian is what the community has asked for. They've asked to get their historic baseball field back. And I know the American Legion has a team ready to go of youth and they've been asking to play at the Mickey Gordon, the Pop Gordon Park or the Pop Gordon field and cricket's been playing there. So they haven't had that opportunity. So this gives them that opportunity. We are keeping the cricket field that exists that's more regulation size. It doesn't have lighting but I know when we when the community came out the cricket community they mentioned that they like to play dawn to dusk so they weren't necessarily asking for lights at that park and with Hanson coming online I think it provides a lit field for them to play at at the same time that we'd be you know restoring the baseball field back to what it was for years. It's a historic baseball field and I'd love to get interpretive signage there about the history of that baseball field. I think that parks and rack can do some of the maintenance things over the years while we wait for the bigger CIP project and I don't know what that will look like. I'm hoping residents will come out and speak at the Planning Commission and board hearings for this special exception so we understand exactly what the plan looks like. But concept A is a good starting point, and I think that we'll see kind of it might get reduced because I'm hearing from the public that maybe they don't want all the bells and whistles. It is a rural park and it is a middle bird community park. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Brooksman has asked to split the motion. So Ms. Brooksman, I'm assuming you are saying after the words community service and then number one and number two or two separate motions. Is that what you're trying to do here? Yes, Madam Chair. Okay. Number one and then number two separately. Yeah, sure, sure all right so We will do that we're happy to do that Miss I gave Mr. Chrony an oh I'm Opening for both motions, but we can split the motions and have discussion first on number one Number one I'll read it just for the record. I move the board supervise this endorse concept A for Mickey Gordon Park and directs that to begin the necessary work to initiate a special exception expect process based up on this plan. So that's now the motion and anyone like to speak on that part of the motion here we go Mr. Kirchner. I'll just speak on both while we're at it. That way we can move things along. So I'm in agreement with both. I'm gonna support both aspects. I think the basic two things, and I have a lot of people I know out there who I've spoken to. Like I said, I've been to several of the houses. I think just the intensity of A is really, I think what we're most concerned about in terms of the recommendations. And I think that's what we talked about. Obviously we design parks through the county. This is a little bit different area, maybe being more appropriate for the area. I think that's really what we wanna focus on once we get to the more of the process and the special exception. And then the other thing I think I've heard Latin clear is obviously bringing, making sure that baseball is an ongoing aspect of this park. And so, and I mean, I've spoken with the mayor on a number of occasions. I was texting him tonight. He wanted to be here. He couldn't be, but he has a very good pulse on the community and his, and Bridges, basic concept is, listen, concept is okay. Obviously we gotta work on some of the details because the devil's always in that. But bringing baseball back to the community as soon as possible, preferably next year, it would be certainly the preferred process. Are there, as far as the second aspect of this motion goes, if I can ask a question, Madam Chair, is that, those are funds that we have available to us? Those are the renovation program funds, is that going to put any additional stress on any aspect of our funds, can you speak to that? So the renovation funds that we have for this fiscal year do have projects that are already associated with those funds. That said, and this is a question for the board, if the desire is just for the immediacy of turning the plane field back into the ability to play baseball, that's something that we can do from a maintenance standpoint with our renovation crew and wouldn't have to use those Those necessary or a lot of those funds if it is a complete restoration of the baseball field with the replacement of the fencing The lighting that you're talking about and things along those lines That park renovation fund. Yes, it would impact other projects if that was prioritized over them. So I guess I would have to ask Supervisor Crony if her goal is to get it back into playing shape for now and then look at the rest of that later I think I would be obviously much more likely to support that. I'm not sure what the motion and tail that's a little unclear. Yes, so we're actually well. She can answer that question. We still need time but we're talking about motion 1. We are, but I mean, I'm just trying to move. I'm thinking, well, how about she gets to that question, once you get to the second motion, how does that sound? Mr. Turner? Thank you, ma'am chair. I'm really concerned. There's no clear definition of option A in the item. There's a list of maintenance things that we're going to do, which are the same for all three. So I don't see how to differentiate between all three. And I'm concerned I've heard like five definitions of what's in concept A from everybody in the room. So if we approve this motion as it is, I'm not sure what we're approving. I think what we're approving is leave the cricket field, the unlit cricket field. Provert the lit cricket field to a lit baseball field. Don't change the lighting, don't add a pickleball court, don't add a gazebo. And pave the roads as part of the specs process, or don't pave the roads? Yes, there would be paving. There also is additional parking. If you've been out there, there's not a lot of parking at all. So there's bringing the parking areas, whether that ultimately is gravel or paved up to the spec for the amenities that are within the park. It also includes adding real bathrooms. We've got ported johns out there now. So going back to real bathrooms, which includes water and sewer, you know sewer out there. It's going to be a septic field installation so that we have flushable bathrooms. Is there an option if we pass this motion? For you to talk to the community and say, okay, here's the elements of option A as it was approved by the board. And then what if they go, I like these but I don't like these then what do we do? I believe option if going through that special exception process gives the opportunity for public engagement but I do not think that, and I'm just, my sense is that the community does not want another community meeting. Yeah, I understand that, nor do you, I'm sure. Okay, so then the last thing I would say is if we go with this motion and we implement option A in the specs process and we revert the field, do we need to go to the CIP process? Can we do it within your current budget? Do we have to delay projects that are in your current budget to make room for this? Where's the funding? It's all about the timing. So if everything was wanting to be done immediately, I don't have the funding in the park renovation fund to do that. Now the conversion of the cricket pitch back to baseball just so that baseball could be played next spring, that's something that could be done within our ops. But the whole thing, I don't have the ability to absorb that without impacting other projects. OK, so I come back to my origin point then, if we approve this motion as it is we haven't really given you direction do this all right away do this right away but do that later so where are we? The second part would be to give direction to just do the baseball conversion right now. Okay. Good. Good day. That's good. Thank you. You said outhouse it's a miss miss Bricksburg and I will like whoo. Mr. the turno. The Loudoun County adult cricket league has over 50 teams I believe at this point. Attack capacity. The Loudoun County youth cricket league has zero teams because we don't have any capacity for a single child in Loudoun County be playing cricket despite massive demand. We have literally teams all over the county. I coached, as you all know, my days are over on that. We are not meeting the needs of the community. So to answer the question that Chair Randall asked, the answer to the question is this is not a middle-burg park. It's not even in the town. It's in the county. It is a system. Parks and Recreation is a system just like fire and rescue is a system just like the Loudoun County Public Libraries are a system. And yes, we should give great weight to those who are closest, but we also have to make sure that the system as a whole is meeting the needs of the community. And right now we're not in the Syria and it's not for lack of effort from Mr. Torpy and others, myself and other members of the board, so because we just haven't gotten there yet. So my problem is concept a takes away the best cricket pitch and one of the most utilized in the entire county and replaces it with baseball for which there is We'll say light demand in this particular location because we have other baseball fields We have many other baseball fields so leagues are not requesting this leagues are requesting the cricket pitch The other problem with this motion is that nobody's in agreement with virtually any of it So all the speakers tonight that came here did not want us to pass concept A. They want us to take the lights out. They don't want the road paved. Some of them do. Some of them may not. They do seem to want the baseball field. So I think we need to hit the brakes on this. This to me, I don't see, I asked the first question, was there in in some kind of rush here to do this? Even if it goes to CIP, it's not going to the CIP for a while. But why are we going to initiate a special exception when there's something that there's obviously no consensus on? And when we haven't established a plan to take care of the use that we're eliminating, because we are eliminating a use with concept A. Now, I want to be clear, I'm not opposed to transitioning this field to baseball like the community wants so the Legion team can have a place to play. I think that'd be great. But we have several other cricket potentials that are in process that have not even come close to being coming to fruition yet. The problem with the overlays is they share with soccer. Soccer is a spring sport. You go out to those fields right now. Soccer is everywhere. There's tons of demand for soccer. I get complaints every allocation year at Hansen in Dullesouth area because there's not enough soccer. So now we're going to have to kick soccer off for cricket on those overlay fields. We just have a huge pent up demand right now and we haven't been able to meet it yet. So let's pause for a minute. Let's try to get the whole South community park. Let's get a plan there. Let's get a cricket field moving there. And then let's revisit this when we actually have our ducks in a row and when there's actually consensus on it. So I don't see any reason to rush this now. Excuse me. Mr. the Turno taught me a word, the term some time ago, or the term was paralysis by analysis when he says you take too long to do something. I don't know how we ever call something rush, it's taken two years to do. Only in government is something rush that takes two years to do. This is anything but rushed. I remember, I guess, I don't know how long ago it was, when I said on this day, it's a mistakenly sad about Parkville High School. Well, it's a historic school, and I'm sure they want to keep the school, and I'm sure they don't want a new school, and the community went, right on me and they said, no, no, we do want a new school, the Mr. Sains very, very well schooled me on what we're about to do with Parkview High School. Our school system is a system. It's a system. But when we were talking about Parkview High School, we listened to that community. Even though the school system is a system, listen to the community at Parkview High School. One, they got a new school, and two, we got it, and very much the way that Mr. Sains let that charge. It often seems that the systems we talk about break down when we get to a certain part of the county. And I'm gonna just put that out there that I'm getting just real tired of it, getting real tired of it to be quite honest. It is a system. So I've been on this board for nine years. We've been talking about cricket pitches for nine years. These kind of things could have went into CIP or any time as well. It's not this one parks and this one community thought that we don't have more cricket pitches. I want more cricket pitches. I do. Why wouldn't we? But I also have to recognize that sometimes I'm going to act reass and listen to the district supervisor who has set down, who has done the work, who has had the meetings, who has met with the community. Almost everything we do in Loudoun County is a system. who has done the work, who has had the meetings, who has met with the community. Almost everything we do in Loudoun County is a system. We're one county, but that doesn't mean that each supervisor doesn't have the things that they are, that are important to them and that they listen to their constituents on. And I don't think that anyone more than Lord the Chrony has listened to these constituents. I have listened to it, and I'm second. So yes, it's a system. But I don't really know why one part of the system has to be damaged to serve another part of the system. I don't agree with that. I think we have to figure out how to get more cricket pitches where there is a Hal and Bernie Park, whether it's at the new piece of property I think we have to figure out how to get more cricket pitches. Whether it's at Halem-Bernie Park, whether it's at the new piece of property that we just bought, part of the issue, and I had to learn this, Quipages are so big, it's hard to find space for them, because they're so big. But when the community is saying, we have baseball leagues, we have been playing. We wanted to play and we're playing again. How do we not hear that? So this is just part one. You did an opening for both, but it's still your emotion. So on this part of the motion, part one. Part one. If you'd like to make closing and then we're boat boat. Oh, come sorry you have something to say. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify on the the motions here. This does not create this motion as written does not create a CIP project or send it to it as written it's it's just doing the field renovation, given direction for renovating the field and sending this concept to the special exception process. Is that correct? For correct engagement. Right. Right. Do you have concerns or you just clarifying? You're just clarifying. Right. Right. Yeah. Thank you, just clarifying. Okay. All right. Yeah. Thank you, Chair Randall. So this is a community park for Middleburg. We have community parks throughout Loudoun County and we listen to the community that is surrounded by the park. And this is a community park for Middleburg. This has been a community park for Middleburg for probably 50 years, right? Steve, it's been a long time, it's been a community park. I believe it was 82. Oh, 82 years. No since 1982. 1982. Okay. So, about 50 years. That's about 50 years. Well, almost. But I have constituents who want cricket as well. I have a lot of constituents who want cricket. I'm looking for places for them to play closer to their homes. I'm looking in the east for places. I would encourage all my colleagues to be looking for parks because we're short parks and we need to find them closer to the community served. Concept A, it's not perfect. Going into the special exception process will allow the public to come out and give feedback on what they want to see in this park. I think it provides a baseline. It does need improvement but it allows us to start with something and I don't want to wait. We've been talking about this park as Chair Randall mentioned for years. The pop Gordon field, the community has been wanting to play on that field for many years since 2021. They've started that league and they want to play on that field. So it's time to move this forward. It's time to bring it, frankly, it probably should have gone to T-Lock rather than finance. That's my feeling about it because it is a land use project. And it's time to move it through the special exception process and begin the community engagement. Begin the public engagement to see exactly what people want. We know that the lights are an issue. We know that the public has asked for unpaved roads and parking lots. We know that there is some work to do on concept day, but this allows the process to move forward. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Crony made the motion. I second the motion. All of it was a aye. Aye. Opposed? No. That motion will pass 7 to 2 with Mr. Luterno and Mr. Stetting against the motion. Second part of the motion, Mr. Crony, I'm going to consider that when you made that opening on both parts, did you made an opening on both parts? I'm going to consider that. However, I will ask, at this point, you want to answer the question that was asked by Mr. Cersner. So Mr. Cersner, would you like to ask a question against Mr. Crony? I would, Madam Chair. Thank you. The only question was, what was the scope, I think, of the, and I think it was kind of a dress that some of the, some of could be implemented, but the rest could not, and I just wanted to make sure that was clarified for purposes of the motion. Converting the cricket field to a baseball field that they can play on. So the playing surface. Right, so it needs to be a field that's where they're able to play baseball. And I think right now they aren't. I understand that the fencing is probably outside the scope in the light. Wait, wait, you're talking that. What are we doing? Did you get your aunt? Who's he asked the question? I think that's I think she's just clarifying my question. Yeah, okay, and I she I think she's asking the right questions And I think we just need to Clarify it so we're in your time right now I'm not sure you're time. Okay, all right, so did you you feel like that you got the answer you want it? I love sharing my time. You get to get to get to answer you want it. Yeah, I think so. You just clarify. But it sounds like me like the motion is just to cover the surface area correct. The motion just to cover so to convert it to allow it to continue to play. Yes, all right. And that's fine. Okay, so that's the question. That's the answer. Thank you. Mr. L. Eternal okay, so other two motions and a lot more concern about this one the first one We're gonna go through that process gonna take a while this one is kicking the cricket off the cricket pitch Immediately with no place to put them so I understand that yes the community would like baseball Sooner rather than later I'm for that But we've got to have a place to put these folks and we don't. I know we're having some Hanson coming online, but you know Mr. Torpey as well as I do because we've sat through all these meetings and had all these discussions. The demand is massive, is it not? It's huge, right? The demand is large. And we don't have a youth at all right now, right? so currently there is a It's a youth like clinic. Yeah, they do a club. They're not it's not a league like the man No, it's not it's not a league, but the clinic is they do have some teams. They're playing at Gilford Yeah, but they're not they were able to set up the league that they came to us with and all that so any The point is, I'm just really concerned about kicking them off in March and not having capacity to put them to. So we can make a transition here. I think we can plan to try to do this as we get other things online, but we're not going to have enough online by March to be able to get there is the bottom line. And so I hate being in this position, but I get the point Mr. Crony sat with her constituents, but you are going to be kicking my constituents off this pitch and telling them they can't play. So I don't know why their opinion is not valid. I think it is and they want a place to play too. So at least let's try to manage this transition and not force it immediately before we have more capacity online That can actually handle the demand that's there which is significant Point of clarification is a cricket pitch for use larger than a cricket pitch or adults Larger. Yeah larger larger. Yeah. No. No. Okay. Why that's why I'm asking no, it's not a larger. No. No. Okay. That's why I'm asking. No. No, it's not larger. It's not a matter of the size of the pitch. It's just the capacity overall because of- Well, I guess I'm asking in your time because you might know this more- But I do. I'm asking that- You know how basketball court can be. You can use half the court for some time? Is that not true for a picture? So you could do that, actually. A clinic, go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I thought you asked whether or not the pitch was larger. I did, but now I'm asking a follow-up question. I got that answer. And I guess I'm basically asking to be clear in Mr. Luternos time, can a dope pick a pitch also be a second or act as a youth pick a pitch as well. Yes, you can use the same field for both. Okay. But not at the same time. Well, not at the same time. Well, that's the same field. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we don't have enough adult space. We're certainly not going to have enough youth space. So that's a problem. All right. Thank you. Mr. Sains. things. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. LeTroner raises a very good point. So we have to ask this question Mr. Tarpi. Obviously Stonehill Middle School, which is on ever Green Ridge Drive or Road, whatever it's called, excuse me. Has a lot of open field, I know that's obviously LCPS, but have we given any consideration of possibly trying to use those? That field for? One of the, when we did assessments for cricket pitches, some of the field space that we looked at at school sites, you don't have the same elevation on the large enough place for an entire pitch to be had. So Stone Hill, if I'm remembering correctly, that was one ofPS and went into the product to level it off and all that to make it good for a pitch with that possibly be an option. We could always talk with LCPS. Someone thorough a suggestion now to try to figure something out if the maker of the motion would be open to this as adding and Verbage to the give direction for Parks and Rec to reach out to LCPS maybe fine maybe Stonehill or another location to see if we can Improve their the field to add a pitch Or final alternative to to compensate for the loss of this pitch By by this by the same time frame. What do you? That's a friendly? Yes, ma'am. That's a friendly. Can you see it one more time for me, police? Do you mind? Just for the record. Direct parks and rec to work with LCPS or whoever to find an alternative location for a new cricket pitch in time for the transition in late March 2025. If possible to find it in time. Okay. All right. That's a yes for that friendly. That's fine. Okay. Thank you. Ms. Amstett. So I like Supervisor Sains approach. But what I don't know is what happens if LCPS says, well, we really can't help you. And there is no replacement cricket pitch for the one that's planned to be discontinued at Mickey Gordon Park. I'm leaning heavily to voting against this motion because I think to take away a cricket pitch that is in high demand and I just be quoting Mr. Laterno on this but one that is in high demand when we don't have one ready to go immediately to replace it I I think, is a mistake. So what I don't know though is Supervisor Sains, Madam Chair, if I could ask Mr. Torpy, if Mr. Torpy is confident that we can get an agreement with LCPS to get a replacement cricket pitch up and running before we do anything to remove this This pitch and convert it to baseball By the spring season I would say I'm not very confident of that we can start the process and even if there's one identified I'm not sure that by the spring season we would be able to do that. Okay, thank you. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Torpe, how many lit cricket pitches are there right now in Loudon County, including this one? There is two dedicated including Mickey Gordon and Hanson Park and there is two overlays in use to fill bowling park and there's two lighted Hanson ones that will be coming online in the spring. But again the fill bowling and the Hanson ones being overlays. There's four lit right now including Mickey Gordon. Now there's- With two more coming online. That's correct. Four existing two coming online short by spring. Yeah, with two of them being overlays. How many unlit cricket pitches are there in Lone County? Two. Including the unlit one at Mickey Gordon. Correct. Okay. including the Unlit one at Mickey Gordon. Correct. Would it address Supervisor Returnos concerns and would it fit your schedule better if I propose a friendly to have the baseball field at Mickey Gordon restored and ready for use not later than baseball season of fiscal 27. Does that give you any more breathing room? And is it, is, is that does give us a little more slack? It, it gives time. I just, I can't speak to what we're going to be able to do with LCPS. Okay. I don't know that. Without having conversation. Friendly ask of the maker of the motion too. What you're asking is friendly to the maker of the motion. But I wasn't there yet. I wanted to get information whether it's going to accomplish anything or not. It doesn't sound like it's going to accomplish anything appreciable. I don't know. I thought I had it on another question. Sorry. I can't think about it. Thank you very much. Miss Brickman. Thank you, Madam Chair. So on number two, if you were to use PRCS renovation program funds to replace the pitch with the baseball. Would that displace any other projects? Simply replacing the turf now. Okay. Okay. So, this is why I split the motion. I think with concept A, we'll have plenty. It'll go in this with the specs. It'll go in the CIP. We will have time to massage the plan and figure out what we want to do there. I honestly, you guys are going to be so surprised, but I don't think this is really an appropriate spot for pickleball. I have a sense that it's probably not an appropriate spot for pickleball. I have a sense that it's probably not an appropriate spot for pickleball. Believe it or not. If the community doesn't want lights, they probably are gonna be opposed to pickleball. But again, we do have time. We have time as Supervisor Lichorno said. I am in agreement with Supervisor Lichorno. I am very uncomfortable with taking away a pitch that is being used that is in high demand before we have other pitches ready. And I'm not opposed to making this, to restoring this back to the classic baseball field. I know that's what the community wants. I don't have opposition to that happening, but I can't support this part two of this motion unless I am confident that by spring of 2025 we're gonna have another pitch because this pitch is being booked and it's being booked in season probably full time and it's being used. And so I honestly, I don't really think it's fair to kick the cricket folks off that field immediately. Should we move cricket out of there? Maybe we move all cricket out of there eventually. But it is being used right now as a recreation, for recreation for our community. And so I won't be supporting the second part of her motion. That's why I asked to split the motion. I did ask my colleague if she would consider a friendly amendment that it wouldn't be converted until there was a pitch available and she didn't want to do that. She knows the community really wants this baseball field right now. So I won't be supporting part two of the motion, but I do support eventually restoring it back. Thank you. So I do want to say something that's interesting. You know, these are great problems to have. Yeah. They are. This is a great, but we have a community that is active, that wants to play sports, that's healthy, that's out there. You know, the, the, and I'm not minimizing what was happening, but these are, you know, these are, these are first world problems we're going through right now. They are great problems to have. And I, and I want to say that. I also, I do want to say thank you to Mr. Torpy for all the work you've done. I understand the idea of not wanting to take away cricket fields or in demand. But we also took away without talking at all baseball fields. We didn't talk at all. We took away baseball fields. And we can say they were a warning demand. We can talk about the fact that the fields were really not very well taken care of. But we can't say we don't want to take away these cricket fields because they're in the man, but we did it with the baseball fields. And we didn't say, you know, it's a term for Mr. Turner without they buy your leave. We just took away baseball fields. So in some way, we're kind of, some ways ways we're correcting what we should not have done and still leaving a cricket field there. Because remember, we started off with three baseball fields. And now we will have two baseball fields and a cricket field. And to Mr. Torpey's answer, it's not that you don't have baseball fields, I mean cricket fields. If you have a dope field, you have fields that youth can play on as well. It's up to the adults who play cricket to say, okay, let my, the kids play on this field this time. I mean, it really is. You can use those fields for youth or adults. It's from what I understand and believe me. I know nothing about cricket and I'm not going to go with the respects or play baseball. It's not going to happen. But you know, this feels, you know, like a, you know, a term hopps and choice. It feels very unfair either way. Neither one of these choices feels good. But at the very least, we had three baseball fields there. Now we will have two in one cricket pitch. What is cricket season? They have a spring season that typically goes from March through the end of June, middle of June, and then you kick back up in late August and they play until the season ends, which is in November at times. It's almost the whole year. Correct. Which are telling me. And there is no place else at Mickey Gordon that we can create a second cricket pitch. There is, but that is what started to push back. But I mean, leaving, leaving, because right now we have two baseball fields. Leaving two baseball fields, not changing that and creating a second. So, two baseball fields and two cricket pitches. Is that possible? We would have to go back and look at the redesign of all of that because that impacts parking, that impacts everything. All right, I understand. And to the discussion that happened at Finance Committee, based upon what we were hearing, over time, as we continue to build cricket pitches, the cricket community is wanting to play closer to where they live. Sure. And we understand that. And so, it. Sure. I'm not sure it would be a good recommendation to add another way out there. Okay, that's right. All right, Mr. Proney, would you like a closing? Thank you, Chair Randall. So I would like to see the restoration or at least have it come back as baseball. I agree with you, Randall, that seven years ago it was taken away from the baseball community and I do want to take care of the cricket community as well. I'm glad two new fields are coming that are overlay fields at Hanson at about the same time so it will be spring probably March of 2025 so I don't think we are replacing in a sense that field with the Hanson fields and I would encourage us to look at other potential overlays like maybe at Brambleton Community Park I see that they have some three rectangular fields there that maybe could be put into an overlay that would be that's just my idea I know you don't have to speak, but it would be close to the community served. Mickey Gordon is historic. The pop Gordon field is historic. It is one of the oldest baseball fields in the region. So I think it needs to come back and we need to play it. I love which here Randall said at Finance Committee, if you build it, they will come. It was a forgotten park. I would agree the maintenance wasn't there. And so now we're going to take care of it. We're going to bring it back and I believe they will come. I believe the American Legion will come and there will be baseball games played at Popcorn Field again. I do want to, like I said, I do want to take care of the cricket community and I'm a creative person. So there might be some ideas that we all come back with you to serve the community. But I think this needs to go back to the historic baseball field that it was, so the community can enjoy it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cronin made the motion. I seconded the motion. I'll fill this AI. Aye. Opposed? No. All right. If you're no who is your hand please. All right. That motion will pass 5-4. Supervisors, I'm stead, the turno, Sains, and Bricksman voted against the motion. Just a terpory, that was a lot. Thank you very much. Thank you. We will not have any more community meetings about this issue right now. Thank you. 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The long awaited non-regulatory energy and environmental issues item. As you may recall, during the strategic workshop that the board had, there were a lot of questions that came up about how we did business in the environmental arena. And the offer or the request was made to bring back an item to discuss primarily the how we did business in the environmental arena and the offer the request was made to bring back an item to discuss primarily the non regulatory Environmental programs that the county does deliver and frankly how they deliver it and How they how that looks compared to other other jurisdictions. So I guess I just lived in the next slide I'm not even up. Can you help me? This was kind of a result of the retreat. And we came out of the retreat in that discussion. And some discussions of what is actually regulatory, what's not regulatory, and what are those two things look like in the differences. If you remember just a job, you memory. Although, if you weren't there, also, that's what this came out of. Yes, thank you Madam Chair. I will tell you Mark and I are going to do a little bit of tag team on this back and forth. So all the talk about cricket and pick of all we wanted to play back and forth. Okay, I'll probably pay dearly for that bad joke. Yes sir, moving along. Okay, Mark, take this next slide please. So just as a background chair, members of the board, a lot of this stemmed out of the original 2014 environmental strategic plan that was attached to this item. It was a long plan that talked about improving communication and ultimately separated regulatory and non-regulatory departments in the county. And I just want to point out that the 2020 Environmental Initiatives Review created the Environmental Commission. And since 2021, as you can see, we've been quite busy and your commission and staff have done a lot of work to make energy and environment topics top priority here in Loudon County. We're very proud of that. So if we go to regulatory and non-regulatory. Right, this is my slide. So what we wanted to do is take a few moments and kind of frame the picture of what when we say regulatory, non-regulatory, what does that mean? So we're on the same page because there's a lot of questions about that. So this is detailed in the item itself. So at a high level, when we look at regulatory, we're really looking at who is regulated, right? And for the context of the county, it's mostly the public entities that are regulated by required mandates that the county has to deliver. So they're required. They're common in the building community and they're they do with planning and public health and development. Those are really the crux of the issues. But you'll notice that Mr. Torpy was a software so any project that he goes through any project that DTCI goes through any project that DGS goes through, they all are regulated so somebody has to regulate that. And in either development projects you talked about tonight a lot. They're all regulated projects. Non-regulatory are those things that the county provides that are not required but beneficial. Examples of that are the renewable energy strategy, the energy strategy elements for renewable energy, EV chargers, watershed management planning, tree planting programs. These are all very, very beneficial for our energy and environmental stewardship ethics. And I will say that we're not the only ones that do this. So we partner with the So-and-Water Conservation District Virginia Cooperative Extension and many others. The Lyra effort that we're, that we're, that we're, that we're, that we're, that we're, that we're, that we're, that the board is embarked on with the invasive species, Lyra. The invasive species effort is a voluntary effort. And so that fits nicely into that group of so-and-what-or general services and Virginia cooperative extension. That's a voluntary type arena. This area continues to expand and grow because the voluntary programs tend to get stewards. People that buy into it recycling for the most part is voluntary. It is a mandate upon the county. At a minimum we must recycle 25%. But the weather is a regulation out there. Most of our recycling is done through voluntary efforts, promotion and communicating and educating the public to encourage that. So that's really the distinctive that we're talking about here in this context. So I want to talk a little about the benefits that we observe and have both anecdotally and quantitatively observed as far as benefits of separating these two. The most evident one is that we need to ensure that the regulated departments, meaning DTCI, DGS and PRCS are not the regulated tours. There needs to be a separation, the old adage of the fox in the handhouse. So you should never have the regulate tour also be the regulated. So for example, if general services was regulating construction projects, it would be very inappropriate for DGS to be doing construction projects like we do. It would be very inappropriate for DTCI to be an environmental regulatory because they're building projects that are regulated. So that separation is very valuable. We separate them now. Building a development does not do any projects that require the regulation. They are the regulatory tours. Does that make sense? Now, building and development does not do any projects that require the regulation. They are the regulatory tours. Does it make sense? They're the regulators. So, okay, yes, ma'am. So, the development, they're the regulate tours. Yes ma'am. In the regulating. They're regulating the general public. They're regulating general services. Got it. When we do our stream restoration, we do any of our storm water projects. When we ever do any of our CIPs associated with landfill, they regulate us. Okay. We love them for it. Okay. All right them for it. Okay. All right. I got you. Right. And they also certainly, the outward facing to all the development community in loud and they are the regulate doors. Got it. Okay. And to a lesser extent, the health department does as well when it comes to wells, permitting wells and septic fields, things of that nature. The other benefit that has proven out to be factual is that it minimizes confusion of roles for the regulated development industry. They understand that they go to building a development or planning and sending of the health department for those regulated activities, but if they want to partner in another element that is non-regulatory, free planting, whatever the case may be, they know they can go to a defined organization. It also minimizes confusion of roles and responsibilities within the departments themselves. They have a clarity of understanding what their roles and responsibilities are. And it maintains a clear line of communication with non-regulatory, non-profit partners. Case in point. Over the last several years, County administration has rightly aligned the delivery of funding and programs that were not regulatory from DGS through the So-and-What-A conservation district. So at one time it was scattered. But now those programs are channeled through general services because those programs are non-regulatory. Case and point, the funding that the board provides for the implementation of agricultural best management practices which are regulatory, that programmatic support is managed through general services. Same thing with watershed management, planning implementation. Same thing with flood engineering studies. These are non-regulatory things that they assist the community with, but the county provides assistance and that's through the Department of General Services because it's not regulatory. So does that help? It does, okay. It does a lot. All right. So it plays a valuable role. Now I can tell you personally I have managed a department in another life that did them both. So if you want to speak to the challenges of doing it together, we certainly can, but I won't do that now. But I know firsthand of those challenges that we just talked about here. So one of the other things we wanted to highlight was the existing coordination that's going on among departments, among state agencies, among regional organizations. Madam Chair, members of the board, there is a lot of coordination with environment and energy issues. There can always be more, but we just wanted to highlight a few here. In particular, our relationship with the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments has helped us tremendously with the energy strategy and access to regional experts on many topics. And we're anticipating working with them again when we do a natural resource strategy which this board has also approved. One of the things that was asked at the strategic planning retreat back in July was how to compare their jurisdictions, Fairfax, Prince William Arlington and Alexandria handle these issues of environment and energy. And just from looking at their websites I can tell you that they're all the same but different. and the difference William Arlington and Alexandria handle these issues of environment and energy. And just from looking at their websites, I can tell you that they're all the same but different. Each of them does have a named environment and energy capacity somewhere on a public website, which we don't as visibly have. Some it is contained in the same department. Some in different departments. For example, in Prince William, they have a public works and environmental services department and then they have a separate office of sustainability that reports directly to the county exec. But all of them address environment, non-regulatory and energy climate in a named fashion or office. One of the things too from our July annual report that the Environmental Commission presented to you all, there were some recommendations to address things for better communication and guidance. And what we're gonna go into now in this item addresses, I think all of these items is because that's possibly item number two. So we can show how some of the relevant conversations that went on with the environmental commission and how we can do things even better than we're doing with environment and energy or solved by some of the upcoming actions that we have planned in general services. So we try to categorize these into basically four opportunities. Looking at these recommendations and the conversations that the board had had during the strategic retreat and in other areas. And when we pulled this together, it became abundantly clear the amount of work that the board has already invested into a particular path, which is this concept of nonregulatory and regulatory and making a great deal of investment into those non-regulatory elements. So an example of that is the Alvarez-Marsel report, which is our organizational assessment within general services to ensure that we were functionally aligned. And so we're already in the, we're implementing the second phase of that and during the FY 26 budget, you'll see the third phase of that. We had a budget development discussion in finance on that particular item. But what you're seeing before you right now are things that are already in play. You know, we already are creating a deputy director for environmental services that's currently with our human resources partners and they're evaluating that as a reclass and that will oversee the dominant elements of DGS in the regulatory or in the environmental non-regulatory environment. And why that's important is because when you look at that you have waste management and public works in environmental services which is what Mr. Vini has. They are incredibly integrated with so many other things that we do, but more importantly, they are also supported by a very robust centralized management administration element within DGS that is able to support not only our fleet facilities and transit operations, but also the environmental operations. So it's a cost saving and equity element there. We have also created a waste management assistant director, another waste management division manager, those are currently underway, and the board approved an energy and environment division manager and the stormwater engineering Program Manager in fiscal year 25. These are all underway and they are integral to meeting the needs of those recommendations from the Environmental Commission. Opportunity 2 is really a throwback from the 2014 Environmental Strategic Plan and it environmental strategic plan. And it talks about creating an environmental leadership team within the government organization. So what this does is it takes those key leaders of the environmental organizations building development planning and zoning, health department, DGS, DTCI and parks and rec. and they actually create an environmental leadership team to create that synergy, create that conduit for communications and collaboration and ensuring that a comprehensive solution and information sharing is provided to the Environmental Commission, to the board as needed through your strategic initiatives and that element is there to ensure that we're actually collaborating. This happens at a number of levels but not at this concerted effort. For example, DTCI and DGS work collaboratively all the time dealing with new buildings and the energy savings and the energy elements associated with that. But this does meet that and is a very cost effective way of getting after that communication and collaboration need with legitimately no additional cost. So the third opportunity that the Environmental Commission had identified a real concern with identifying gaps and then having subject matter experts in house. And these are just a couple examples of what the board has already done and then one that you will likely see in the FY26 budget. So the flood mitigation, you may recall that last year the board approved the local lodge flood assessment and mitigation program and asked us to bring back the personnel for that in the FY26 budget. So you will see that position and they will be focusing on flood mitigation. This has been an increased problem universally but certainly in our older urbanized areas and has been recognized as a problem globally and this is something that we're all seeing and needs to be have subject matter expertise in house. This is a non regulatory component. The other element is dam safety. Last meeting I believe you all passed an ordinance that required developments to identify in and in nation zone downstream of a dam. We are seeing increasing challenges with dams across the commonwealth, but certainly here in Virginia. The general services has several dams you're looking at one of them now on the picture that is a high hazard regulated dam that we need to have the expert's teeth and house to deal with the several dams that we have recently accumulated. This is regulated, dam is regulated. That dam is regulated, yes, sir. My mitigation is not regulated, but the dam is regulated. This is regulated. The dam is regulated. The dam is regulated. Yes. The dam is regulated. Yes, but that is a proprietary regulatory concept, so meaning that we are regulated by somebody else. I've confused you. It just seems so random. The why it's regulated or where it is, just being general. I'm sorry, go on. The regulatory entity for dams is the Department of Conservation Recreation of the state level. They regulate anybody that has a high hazard dam. What we've discovered is not only internally to the county that we need that subject matter expertise, but there's a need amongst the community to have that kind of guidance and assistance for emergency preparedness and How to properly inspect the dam that's a actually a a Land owner assistance program That would that would need to be developed but this is particularly focused on on our needs as a county So I bring these two up because they are subject matter experts that the environmental commission has identified the need to start filling those gaps with subject matter expertise. The board's action with the flood mitigation project and program actually does that and the dam safety as an example of what the board could do. Should they choose to do so in the FY26 budget? There's many more examples of this, we just chose two of these. Okay. And the fourth opportunity is to look at a name changed for general services. Now, as part of our organizational assessment and the implementation of their recommendations, we are going through a pretty significant strategic planning and envisioning process in general services. We are pursuing an accreditation through the American Public Works Association, which requires us to do a great deal of policy and procedure work and really defining roles, responsibilities, and aligning functionalities. This is a great opportunity and a great process to use for that. Now, and if the board would indulge us with that, we would actually like to incorporate this question into that process and really let our employees discuss that and say who are we? You know, based on the services that we deliver and to whom they're delivered. And we didn't want to throw out names to discuss tonight, but we do think that there may be an opportunity to freshen that based on where we are and what we do today. So those are the four opportunities I am trying to move quickly because you have a very long night ahead of you. But the four opportunities that we would like to pursue, we don't believe there's any action necessarily for the board to do so unless there's a direction you do not want us to go. We can move forward on these with the existing authorities that you have already given us. So that is what we have as far as the opportunities. We also wanted to just highlight some of the things that we have going on right now in our department and within the county. We are very proud of this list, Madam Chair and members of the board. I think if you look at all of these non-regulatory issues, Loudoun has put a stake in the ground when it comes to environment and energy. I dare say that all of these will have some impact in all of your districts. And we look forward to coming back to the board and reporting on the next steps for all of these studies and what they might mean for the county. So it is a long list and we have a good staff and members in other departments as well and consultants that are helping us. But it's a pretty extensive list, a pretty robust list. And this is just my lame attempt to try to add some pictures and names to this because we are doing a lot of different things when it comes to these items. And sometimes they can get on and get lost, so it's nice to add some pictures. We're very proud of this work that we're doing on behalf of the board and the residents of the county. Wow. I like pictures. I like pictures too. Pictures too. residents of the county. Mm-hmm. Wow. And I like pictures. I like pictures too. Pictures too. Most of the time. All right, that was really helpful in a little confusing questions. Ms. Bixfax, I will go to Ms. Okay, there we go. Ms. Decrony. Thank you. Both of you that I think this information was really helpful. It's something that I brought up during the strategic retreat to establish a department of energy and environment. And this is a restructuring instead of the creation of a department. But I think it gets us closer to what I think we need as a county. I like the four main implementation pieces. I think they're excellent. The county environmental leadership team, I think we used to have something like that, right, in the county for cross department communication. There may have been prior to my tenure but that certainly was a recommendation in the 2014 study that never really get off the ground and we think it's a great opportunity now to really hone in on that. Okay and then I do support renaming. I think that's an excellent idea because I think it's confusing general services you don't think of environment and energy. You don't think of those functions. One thing I wanted to ask you is it looks like you're going to have two departments or two directors, one for environmental services and one for fleet transit and facility operations. So they're both non-regulatory? They are both non-regulatory, but so this was a recommendation coming out of the Alvarez-Massau organizational assessment was to have the spanic control elements that general service has because of the lines of efforts that we deal with. They made the recommendation that they refer to as hubbing-like programs under the umbrella. So the deputy director for fleet transit and facilities will focus on what they call the physical plant. And so dealing with those maintenance issues and those rolling stock services and the other will be environmental. Okay. So one question I had, I believe B&D has non-regulatory activities that they do. Like watershed management plans and tree planning programs. Has that been problematic having regulatory non--regusts or in B&D? So, so their natural resources program, when the board created the Environmental Commission, they dissolved WurTech, which is the Water Reached Technical Advisory Commission, and all those responsibilities were transferred over to the Environmental Commission, which included the Watershed Management Planning. Okay. So that has since been moved to DGS. Now what I will say is because of the expertise that they have there, we partner very closely with them. But their natural resource team is predominantly designed to serve the environmental regulatory requirements that the department has to deliver. Now I would have to defer to Betsy on the elements of it. They also have an arborist. But again, that arborists exist to meet their mandates under the regulatory programs. They certainly provide assistance and education and guidance. But the construct is based on their regulatory requirements. Okay, thank you. Because they're in their pay-through to regulatory permitting fees. Thank you, Mr. Turner. Thank you, Chair. So, Mr. Brown, is it, or Mr. Vanity, is it your intent then that opportunities one through four basically implement in a practical way the environmental commission recommendations. We do with the exception of the second one, which is dealing with streamlining enforcement actions. We believe that is something that needs to be addressed through the community development agencies, which is be primarily B&D and DPC. Okay. And without any guidance from us, your intent is to proceed forward with opportunities one through four. Unless we have objections and I don't think we do. Yes sir. Okay, I thought of a name for your department. Did you? The Department of Energy and Environmental Works. But then I thought that's going to end up being the Department of U. And then I thought it's General Services and maybe the Department of U is maybe not so bad. Sorry, that was a good thing. Thank you sir. We'll take that into consideration. Thank you very much. The things we put staff through is just not even acceptable. It worked on that for a long time. Ms. Berksman. Thank you Madam Chair. This was a fascinating item. So, so thank you. I read it cover to cover and it was fascinating and it's good to get confirmation of all the good work that we're doing that we don't see on a day to day basis. So I really wanted to compliment you on that. And also, you know, I always say I have not been bored in this job for one second. People ask me if I like this job. And I'm like, I love this job. I haven't been bored for one second. And one thing I learned recently was about our storm water management and the public facing efforts. And the stream restoration in my district, the efforts to inform the public and twice and then having the tours recently. I think they had something like 40 people go outside, Madam Chair, and walk up and down a stream restoration area. And the storyboards were amazing. I mean, it was amazing. So thank you for that. And I got a little blue duck. I mean, even the branding was on point. So thank you for that. I am supportive of all four points in the item, of course. I had a question about the district energy concept that you talked about on page eight Could you explain that to me a little bit? So certainly and and I'll actually I'll let Mark explain that he's better at it than I am so When when the environmental commission came and did their annual report one of the things that was brought forward was a concept of district energy which is works in a campus approach where you use waste heat from buildings or a number of buildings. And you kind of recycle that energy rather than let it be wasted and use it to potentially heat another building. It's commonly seen on college campuses. It's very common in Europe. Where I went to school at Virginia Tech, they would heat the dorms with the waste heat. And so everyone was always opening the windows in the winter time because it was so hot with the heat coming off of the radiator. Didn't smell, it was hot. It was just steam coming off the radiator. So the concept of district energy could work in a campus setting that we're doing. Okay. And is this similar to the waste of energy? Is that the same thing? That's different, right? That's different. Okay. You know, they're doing that with when they're drilling oil and I can't remember what state it is, but they're drilling oil and the heat that comes off of that processing is actually powering a data center. It was on 60 minutes recently, so that's a great concept. And then where are we? So when you started, when I started reading about district energy, I thought maybe you meant energy that we're producing in Loudoun County like was solar arrays or wind farms. Is that part of the department's work? It is, we're doing power purchase agreements, something that this board requested us to do. And that's where we sign up with a developer who actually takes on the responsibility of putting solar on Loudoun County rooftops or ground mounted. And we get that energy from the developer and they basically use that energy to pay the bills for us. So we are doing that as well. We're also putting solar as you know on a number of our buildings here in Loudoun County and as well as using geothermal as well in certain places. I have more questions I can take offline with you guys but I mean you can finish. So I just can say you know later on this year we're going to be bringing you back the board member initiative response dealing with beneficial use of landfill gas. And we just reviewed that last earlier this week, the findings of that and it's really, it's exciting the opportunities that exist for that, which is reusing it for beneficial use. So those are the kind of things that this board has really opened the door for us to explore. Mr. Brown, the secret that people don't really want to talk about is that you are really smart. Which I'm just talking about, but you really know what I'm talking about, really smart. This was helpful because I hadn't really, although Mr. Hemsdreams said it's for a long time, I hadn't really known it there was regulated and non-regulated. It does seem random. It seems random that damn safety is regulated, but flood mitigation is not regulated. It was seen both of those things would be regulated. So something seemed a little random. It feels like things that are regulated are almost things that really do have to deal with health and safety and life and things that are not regulated or more are for, I won't say a static, that's not true, but. Stewardship. Stewardship, that's a great word, stewardship. And not just overall, I think that's a pretty good. So that was really very helpful. I look forward to getting more information. I love what we've done already. I didn't know, I didn't know how much we've done. We've done a lot. We have done quite a bit already. The board gives direction and staff, you guys, you have really taken this on and worked on it so hard, and I appreciate that. And I look forward to you all coming up with a name that Mr. Turner has nothing to do with creating. Yes, ma'am, is that a word directive? That is a directive from the chair. That is a directive from the chair. The Mr. Turner is not part of naming your new department, but I don't think that the department name does at all capture all this being done to be quite honest. It really does it. And so I do look forward to having that discussion because that might have been the correct name some time ago, but no longer is a capturing all that we're doing. So yeah. I don't believe that there are any motions to be had, but we really do appreciate it. Thank you very much. And please thank the Environmental Commission for this as well. Thank you. All right, supervisors, just give me one sec. Item then. Okay, we're going to go one and do the Ion number three. We'll go right up, right back up top and do the feasibility of community bus service into Louting County. I on number three. And Mr. Kirschner has a motion on the days on this one, but we'll get to that. Well, he has a hope potentially a friendly, although I think to this motion, I might just let Mr. Turner, I mean Mr. Luterno, make this motion since he's been the one that's kind of pushed this effort. Hello, how are you? So Madam Chair, members of the board, thank you again. Oh, hey Ernie. I didn't go far. We said bye and everything. I didn't. Well, you talked about rolling stock, you talked about, you know, so this is the other side Oh, hey, Ernie. I didn't go far. Who said buy and everything is. I didn't know. Well, you talked about rolling stock. You talked about, you know, so this is the other side of general services. OK. This is a 31 slide presentation. We're going to truncate it. Yeah, let's do that. I'm actually, I don't, do we get the two? Do we get the one? One out. Is this the 20? Okay, let me just double check here. So the one that we have in front of you, you still have the formal 31 that started at 44. And this is a truncated version of 22. We will work very fast through this to ensure that we allow time for questions. So with me is Gladys Horowitz, who is our Transportation Services Administrator. You know, and I just said he was smart. I just said that. I take it all back. Yes, yes, I know. See, there it is. And Mr. Nick Brighton, who is very smart with Baker, Michael Baker, who was the consultant that helped us put this together. Wonderful. So I just want to just frame that the question came up about what about commuter services into Loudoun County. We currently provide services for our residents to go out. And so the board asked us to explore what would that look like. And so this is what this is and I'm going to stop talking. Are we able to get that one out? There's a different presentation than one in our. I have it on the screen. Package. What did I do wrong? I'm just going to show you. Okay, all right. Package What did I do wrong? Okay, all right So the purpose of this meeting that this up to the study was to your mic answer Thank you. All right, that's okay the purpose of this study was to look at the feasibility of longer Route commuter service into Loudon County from Counties that either a but or are proximate to Loudoun County. So at some point very shortly there will be a study area map. Basically what we looked at is a number of different areas of Virginia and then we included two counties to abouting counties in Maryland and then two counties that are just over the border in West Virginia. So what we want to do is look at kind of a large scale commuter service, our potential for commuter services in two loud county from these outlying areas. So one of the steps that we took, well there's a three-pronged approach. We looked at demographic data and a lot of that information that kind of feeds into travel patterns and what decisions people make when they travel in the commute. We looked at existing services in both areas that were in the study and then outside and then, of course, in Loudoun County. And then we looked at any operational obstacles and challenges that there may be to providing this kind of longer service. So it's not your traditional short term 30 minute, it's a much longer route. So just as an example, some of the information we looked at, one of, I think on the next slide, what you can see here is two apps, the first one on the left, just really briefly are trips that start in these areas and then end in Loudoun County. And then the right hand side, excuse me, that's aren't just yellow, are trips that start in Loudoun County and then end in other areas. So the really the purpose of these two maps is to look at them and kind of compare them because what you're wanting to see on daily trips is some of kind of a match. They should look somewhat similar. And what that tells you is that most of the time those are going to be commuting trips. Because people are starting from Berkeley County and Indian Lown County and then they're starting at the same place and then where they started. So this match kind of helps us identify. This of course is just a map, but when we break down the data into tables, we can kind of see exactly how many trips we're talking about, where they start, where they end, and then kind of how often that happens per week. So one of the next steps we did is look at, we talked to both employers and employees through a survey. And I would say, real quickly, the key takeaway takeaways in that, where that cost was a significant factor in commuting, one of the very, you know, kind of key issues that is going to kind of be helpful in the kind of the pilot part of this and the implementation piece of this is getting people familiar with commuter service and what options there are. So we spoke to a lot of different stakeholders, both on the employer side and the employee side. And on the next slide, you will see just a breakdown of the different industries that we talk to. And what you will see is that there is a pretty healthy representation of education, health and tourism sectors. That's not, of course, the only thing we looked at, but generally speaking, these would be how those were classified. So we had 21 different employers based in Loud and or at least partially based in Loud and County across 11 different industries. And over 1,000 employees participated in the process. So on the employer side, really quickly me what I'll just say is that the two kind of takeaways from these charts are that A, over almost three quarters of employers said that they believe that commuter service was a valuable or something that their employees would want to consider or would use. And then on the other side, that transportation continuously came up as a core component of recruiting and retaining people over time. So very different issues, how much it costs to get there to the number of or their access to vehicles, the things like that. So these transportation was definitely on the forefront of this employer discussion. And then finally, we talked to the employers a little bit about where their employees were coming from. As you can see from the distribution, there are some winners and losers so to speak. West Virginia is a significant number of commuters or loud and had a significant number of commuters originating in West Virginia. So the Prince William and Stafford counties. But there was a pretty nice distribution across the board of our study areas. So we, you know, this kind of told us what we already kind of expected, but we wanted to see the numbers that there was pretty good representation, but there were some areas where people were coming from, some areas that weren't as popular for commuters. So on the employee side really quickly, I just wanted to show that over half people would consider using public transportation to get the work, at least a part of their commute per week. That doesn't mean every of all days. And on the right hand side, you're looking just kind of cost of commuting. And this is a lot less kind of helpful, but what you basically does is try to get some sort of regularity and how much people are willing to spend per month on their commuting. So you can see there's quite a range there, but we did look into sort of price kind of what price might be and we can talk about that later. And then finally one other thing I just wanted to point out this is from the employee side. So we looked at where employers had their employees or where the employers said their employees were originally and this is actually self reported. So the gray dots represent concentrations of people and different regions. And then that's where people are starting. And then that reddish, yellow, heat map is sort of where they're ending up. So you can kind of see people are coming from all over in the study area, but where they're ending up is very concentrated, obviously in Lawn County, but very much kind of in that east, west, belt. And that would include Leesburg down to Ashburn and so forth. So based on all this information, and I very briefly went over all the different pieces that went into it, we came up with seven different routes. These were based on both data we got from stakeholders, data we got from the census, and then other, you know, transit adoption rates and things like that. And so from there, we looked at, you know, not only just developing the routes and how long they were, but also stops. Some of the key pieces of this are making sure that the stops are accessible. The length of the trip isn't too much. The number of stops, there's a balance between how long the route is and the number stops are, because at some point you've urged from regular local service to commuter service, if you have too many stops, and it's stopping too often, people are not gonna be interested in that. So, on the next slide, we just kinda list out some of the assumptions and the factors that went into our evaluation criteria and how we looked at all of this. And again, like I said, the balance is a very important piece of it. We wanted to focus on leveraging existing infrastructure and existing transit services in Loudoun County along with providing newer service to areas that may not be fully served. But one piece of the puzzle is going to be the first mile last mile connectivity is always going to be important because one thing about commuter services is it's not going to take everyone to every place that they work. People will always be willing to go to a parking ride but you have to really consider how they're going to get from the bus stop to where they actually work. So our analysis looked at a lot of different elements to this, but a lot of that goes into effectively operating costs. How much does it cost actually run the service? And that includes driver hours and things like that. And then finally, what is the ridership expectation for the service? So when we looked at the seven different routes and kind of charted it out, what we found is that there were some pretty, there was some consistency on kind of a, there was a tier A and then there was a tier B. And that tier A really ended up being Dale City and Warrenton routes. And so these ended up having a very high, or very sorry, very low average cost per rider because of the combination of their operating costs and the number of riders that they have. So these outperformed based on our modeling, the other routes we came up with, pretty significantly. The other ones aren't necessarily bad, but they just didn't perform as well as the two I mentioned in Del City in Warrenton. So when we looked at, sorry, the next slide, when we looked at how to measure kind of what this would look like over time and then kind of keep performance indicators real quickly on the left hand side you see a year one year two year three. The idea there is that this is an adoption rate over a three year time period. So the goal is 25% adoption rate year two would be 50% and in year three would be 75%. So you're trying to build up the ridership to get to that 100% full use of the service. And then this chart on the right hand side is much more of a long term demographic analysis of showing how ridership would look as based on what we assume the projections are not just for loud and county too, but also where people are originating from. I think the key that we expect use of a commuter service and a lot of these areas to sort of maintain that upward trend. So we came down to two recommendations or two potential pilots for the recommendations, again, Dale City in Warranton. Those two routes had similar costs and similar trip times. So they are longer than you might see in commuter service, but they also pick up a significant number of people from origination points that aren't covered by commuter service now. These ended up because of the combination of ridership and average cost, the lowest cost per rider. And our recommendation would be a one way fair that wouldn't exceed $8.25. And then of course, one of the things that we really want to, you know, look at over time, is to keep performance indicators, which would be ridership, obviously you want to monitor that on time performance, which is very important for commuter service. And then finally, the service service cost and making sure that's these consistent based on what you forecast. So on that note, I will turn it over to Gladys. Thanks, Nick. All right, so I'm going to talk a little bit about some of the benefits of implementing commuter bus routes into Loudoun County. Businesses in Loudoun County have reported significant challenges with recruitment and retaining employees and providing the service could help with a lot of the transportation costs and peace of mind for commutes that folks have while also supporting the recruitment and retention. Offering commuter bus services could also enhance economic development efforts by improving access to employment opportunities. These transportation options can potentially attract new businesses and a larger workforce to the county, further driving economic growth. And lastly, the benefits of operating two commuter routes from Dale City, as I was mentioned or a warrant in, would remove an equivalent number of single occupancy vehicles from the road, greatly contributing to the reduction in the region's carbon footprint. Also when they go through a couple of key factors for ensuring success of commuter bus routes into Loudoun County. Effective strategic planning is critical to successfully implementing the new commuter bus routes to ensure that we have a seamless transition from conception to execution, maximizing the benefits for the new routes. A strong marketing campaign is vital for the success, so we have to make sure that we target outreach to different employers, continue that collaboration A strong marketing campaign is vital for the success. So we have to make sure that we target outreach to different employers, continue that collaboration with our neighboring jurisdictions, and keep up with the different partnerships and stakeholders. There's also, as you heard from the recent survey results, indicated that a limited number of employers currently offer commuter benefits to employees. So by raising awareness of available commuter incentives, the cost of using transit can be reduced making the new bus routes more attractive to potential riders. Appropriate fair levels are also critical to ensuring the service is success. So keep in mind more than three quarters of employees who are surveyed could drive themselves to work for less than $200 a month, which equates to approximately the $8.25 fair. So that's where that came from. Following the first year of service, fair elasticity analysis will be essential. And before launching the pilot service, Loudoun County will conduct the Title VI service and equity fair analysis and compliance with federal regulations. It's also important to pursue opportunities, partnership opportunities to enhance the success of the new commuter bus routes, and lastly, it's also important to pursue grant opportunities for this effort. So our staff recommendation should the board desire to pursue a commuter service in the Loudoun. We recommend that the board desire to pursue a commuter service in the Loudon, we recommend that the board direct staff to plan and implement a two-year commuter bus pilot from Dale City and Warranton into Loudon County. The operating costs, cost for marketing and outreach, Title VI service and fair equity analysis, as mentioned, are included in the proposed commuter, but the pilot route will be incorporated in the fiscal year 26 budget. The starting fares are recommended to start at $8.25 during the first year of the pilot, and after the first year of operation, re-evaluate fares with a fair elasticity analysis. And as I mentioned, grant funding and partnership opportunities are also to be pursued. I'm also going to touch a little bit on the fiscal impact so you can go to the next slide. So the fiscal impact of the staff's recommendation option to establish a pilot program for commuter bus service into Loudon County would require approximately 1.7 million of one time local tax funding in fiscal year 26 operating budget. That's going to fund the operating costs of the two new routes, cover the outreach and marketing, the title six analysis that needs to be completed. And you also have the opportunity to consider continuing the pilot program. Second year as part of the FY27 budget development process. So as you see here, what we did is we broke down the estimated expenditures, fiscal year 26 and then we also included estimated fair revenues for either an $8.25 fair or $12.1 way fair, which is what the current commuter bus service is planned to increase. Our fairs are planned to increase at $12.5 and FY 26. So that's the different numbers that you see on the screen. And with that, it would be more than happy to take any questions. Wow. Thank you. Thank you very much. Supervisors, if you have questions, please turn your lights on. Mr. Turinamai, we will go to you first. Well, thank you very much for all those. I'm excited. I'm excited that we're here. I don't really have to be sold on the overall benefits, but I do want to ask some questions on the modeling. So there's one sort of factor to me that's out there when we talk about commuting patterns. And that's sort of an X factor of pain, pain for the commuter. How painful is this ride? How much traffic do I encounter? And then the other sort of side of it is for the loud and resident who's sort of sharing traffic with commuters that are coming through the county, an opportunity for relief. So I was a little surprised that the Dale City in Warrants and Analysis pops so hard and Frederick and Winchester didn't you know Frederick eat riders a day. I guess is the projection or per trip Turn your mic. That would be the first year at 25% so it's that was the first of the Right, but that's per trip or per day. Yeah. Yeah. How, I don't know, what's your degree of confidence in these projections? Well, so one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the modeling is based on a num... There's not one single element that would obviously factor into making one worse, like better than the other. But a significant piece of it is looking at adoption rates of carpool, vanpooling, and basically alternate forms of transportation. So I would have expected Dale City, so I would be fairly confident in Dale City just because I think there is that that culture of other alternatives like that. Warrington is I think also kind of it probably experiences a little bit of that boost from the carpool, the ampoule element because there's a lot of there's been a lot of effort there on the state side and then other agencies. I think part of what factors into some of the others might be A, that sort of, that fact, those factors, those sort of the adoption rates and things like that, but also there might be a little bit of the X factor in what you're talking about with pain and just because coming from another state or something like that, it may just be perceived as a longer trip. So I don't know. Others can create me. The ride from here to Warrenton doesn't seem nearly as bad as the ride from Frederick, Maryland to here because of 15. So I don't know. It seemed a little bit odd to me that that route would be so, do so well and Frederick could do so poorly. Quickly one last question. On the fair side, I get the point, and I'm probably inclined to go with it, but is there some sort of insult to injury kind of element when we're charging $11 or $12 for our other commuter bus services? And now for the non-county residents, they get it only in $8 fair. Are we concerned with adoption if it's the same across the board? Yeah, we had discussed that internally and how that would look, I guess, to the perception to the public because our fairs are gonna be increasing in fiscal year 26. But this is a really different commute than the commutes going into DC. If you were able to dig a little bit deeper to a lot of our survey results, you will see that a lot of the folks who could be potentially taking these, the service are working what they call the first, second, and third shift, and even 12 hour shifts. So it's a little bit of a different workforce, per se, than what you have going into DC currently, and also the fas that you're charging with folks going into Washington DC and so forth. I would caveat that would just say it is a legitimate concern because it's a hurdle that we would have to be able to appropriately represent in a pilot construct because that is a perception that we're subsidizing residents from outside the county with county funds for the benefit is clear but it's still a perception that we'd have to overcome. And that is one of the cautions that I do want the board to take into serious consideration with this particular proposal, which is why my recommendation starts with should the board desire to pursue this, this would be our recommendation, because there are factors such as that that are legitimate challenges, but can be overcome through appropriate marketing, outreach, and education that this is a pilot for the benefit of the revenue generating businesses within Loudoun County. But it is a hurdle. Thank you. This is the first item where every light in the board is everyone's lights on. Miss Glass. Thank you Madam Chair. And thank light on this glass. Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you for this presentation. I think it's very interesting and that we're looking to go into other districts and bring in folks who are county. We discussed at our strategic initiative retreat, allowing running the commuter buses back out from DC and Arlington with a route number instead of saying not in service. Has a determination been made as if that can be done and would we be able to do something like that if with these two proposed routes? So we met with particularly Scott Groes on this and all of our buses that return back if somebody needs a ride can get that ride. And if you see Scott behind me and he's jumping up and down that I misspoke. Is he jumping up and down, and I'm a spoke. Is he jumping up and down? No, no. Okay. So they are available to them. They're just not defined routes because the users are not there with a large enough to support a return defined route. But they are available if somebody needs to get a ride back, they can do so. And that's arranged through our dispatch. Okay, thank you. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Ms. Amsterdam. Thank you Madam Chair. A couple, a couple points. I don't think, I don't think one year is enough time to change behavior. I don't even think two years is enough time to change behavior. I don't even think two years is enough time to change behaviors. So if the pilot only lasted one year, I suspect you wouldn't get the ridership you would hope for. You probably would have to have it going three to five years before you knew whether it was going to be successful. You raised I think a really legitimate point in your presentation, which is how do you get people to last mile? So presumably, they'd all get dumped in a parking lot and have to get an Uber or a lift to get to work. And so would they be willing to add that cost on to the cost of the bus ride? The third, I know, Supervisor Kirschner is going to advocate for route 15, which is initially like Supervisor Luterno. What I thought would be the most would generate the most a man, but your study indicates not. One of the problems without 15 is it's not widened yet. And so you're going to pay for bus ride, and you're going to be stuck in that traffic on the bus instead of in your car. So it would not inherently appeal to people to give up their private vehicle to ride a bus when they're not getting anywhere faster. Several years ago when Supervisor Higgins was spending a lot of time on the Route 15 widening project, he was talking to senior staff at the county and the thought was there's no point running a bus on 15 until after we've widened it and can make sure that the bus will move quickly So I I think this is a really neat idea I'm not sure it's going to work at this point, but anyway, thanks for presenting. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Can you go to the slide that has the three blue images, the economic benefits and the environmental benefits? Okay, thanks. One of the things with programs that I always ask is what's the definition of success? How do you define success? What's the metric? If the first box on the left is our principal purpose to support our employees' quality life and support recruitment and retention, then that ought to be valuable enough, but we got to measure what that success is. And I would think if the ridership meets or exceeds what our predictions were, then that probably is at least a superficial empirical evidence of success of the program, if that's in fact our intent. If our intent is to help our employees and retain our employees, but also to gain economic benefits, then at some point we need to be looking probably at the end of the pilot period for breaking even on revenues plus other evaluated benefits. So that means how do we measure new employees that were not here before that come in to populate our businesses in Loudon County? Do businesses see an increase in our customer base? So that becomes a really difficult metric, but you got to be able to factor that in. And then there's combination. So if you did the first one was a principal mechanism and we fell short on our ridership, but we really valued the carbon benefits and the ridership we felt was sufficient and that makes sense. I'm rambling, but my point here is it's going to be easy to drop into this program and think we're doing a good deed here and just keep it going because we're doing a good deed for employees. But at some point I would think this has got to be self-sustaining or we're being able to otherwise we're just going to plug a million six into this program every year and is that really worth the value? Any thoughts on any of that that I just kind of spewed out there? You? So at a high level, you know, determining what is success is critical for two reasons. One is obviously the effectiveness of the program, but also the perception of the value. And I will go back to the 825 versus the $12. We're currently subsidizing the commuter services out of the county at a rate. And we would be subsidizing this at a greater, frankly a greater extent. So you would need to be able to balance the, what is the public seeing as a benefit for the expenditures of their tax dollars. And that's both their perception and comfort of it, but also our fiscal responsibility in that. There are clear values in each of these three categories. You know, benefits to our community as a whole. And this board discusses those elements, probably every meeting when the decisions are being made. The question is, is it enough? And that's why we are very cautious in this. We, you know, it does, based on the modeling, it does work, but what does work mean? If the emphasis is more on the environmental benefits and that is where the board wants to go, then that's a much more tangible outcome even though it's subsidized. Economic benefits, as you mentioned, so you've mentioned are very difficult to define. We'd have to spend a lot of time with economic development with Buddy Rogers team to really get some good metrics around that and what that would look like as part of the planning process. And even the support of not just our employees of the county but the employers within the county, what does that look like? There was interest if this was successful for employers to look at incentives, just like the federal government provides a stipend we move forward cautiously and bring back a very defined measure room metric or suite of metrics that the board is comfortable with before we actually pull a trigger on something of this magnitude. That's good. Thank you. Mr. Kirschner. Thank you, ma'am Chair. We could go to the slide and while you're pulling it up of the trip time. So one of the reasons I have an alternative motion or at least a request for friendly to add Frederick Maryland is I understand the numbers that you've come up with. I do question them somewhat just because of my knowledge of some of this. I look at Dale City. Dale City is going against traffic. I mean, you plug in Dale City now, you almost have the exact same travel time as I would this time of night. And that's because you're going against traffic sometime in the morning. If you're looking at places out west, places up north, out of Frederick, you're traveling with the traffic. And to me, I disagree with someone with a supervisor. I'm said, to me, one of the reasons you're taking public transportation or bus like this is because you don't want to sit there in traffic and do nothing. I mean, I've taken these sorts of routes before in and out of DC when I was working on the hill and you can sleep, you can read, if traffic's bad, you know, it's no big deal. And that's one of the big benefits to this. And so to me, Dale, city is one of those that I don't think you're going to get the same kind of ridership you think you're going to get simply because of that reason, just because it's an issue of convenience more. And that's why people a lot of time take the metrics. I think Supervisor Eternal can talk to that. The other reason I think that one of the other questions I have for you, did you take into account, because one of the big purposes is not only benefiting our businesses here, because I think in a lot of ways, let's be honest, this is kind of, it's a help to the affordable housing issue that we have, because a lot of people move out of this county because they can't afford to live here. But did you take into account these routes and how congested they are or are not? Because I would assume part of the purpose of this is to help reduce the congestion on these routes. So when I look at routes that have four lanes versus those that have a single lane, to me the ones with that have similar congestion but where single lane is honestly one of the routes we should probably look at and part in doing this as a pilot program. So did you look at the types of routes that we're actually looking at? Yes, so the first thing is of course we need to make sure that whatever routes we use can handle over the coach or over the road coach. So that's sort of that gives you a baseline of the roads that you can't even consider to begin with. One thing that I would stress is that when we do model these any potential improvements to roads that are funded or not necessarily part of it, they will, they don't go in, they, you're looking at the existing right up way. Sure. Because we're certainly when we're looking at like, you know, the commutations and stuff like that, it's always going to be a year to that past. So there is an element to it where if you were to, so 15 were to get watched, the commute times and stuff like that, it's always going to be a year to that past. So there is an element to it where if you were to, so 15 were to get widened, that trip time shortens. Yeah, but that's going to be over the next four or five years, or over the next seven years, we know we're getting right start construction. Right. So there is an element to it where you might see improvements on some of the roads because the actual roads themselves are improved. The route becomes easier, less congested, so forth. But generally speaking, it's looking at the current status of the road. Okay. And if I may just add slightly to that, no, I won't then, I'll be quiet. Mr. Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the presentation. No, I won't then. I'll be quiet. Mr. Saints. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the presentation. We haven't had an emotional anything. We have times to. You can do your own motion. You can talk within your motion. I'm not that smart. He's smart enough. Right now, to none of us have eaten up here. So give us a little bit insight on what type of buses we'll be using. So in our proposing, I should say excuse me. So as we discussed, we have a number of buses that will be, our proposed to be surplus pending the outcome of this decision. And they would be reallocated or existing commuter buses coaches that are used for our existing service would be reallocated or existing commuter buses coaches that are used for our Existing service would be reallocated to this so the bus that we currently use to go into the city would be possibly repurposed for this for this realm They would be yes, okay, and then How many drivers is the items that we're going to have to possibly hire new staff and assuming this driververs not behind the scenes, folks. So our study actually didn't make a proposal for to hire any new folks. That would have to be something that we would have to talk with our contractor for when we were ready to implement the service in terms of whether they had enough staff already to cover the needed routes? So we're not 100% sure if we need staff, new staff or not. If you would need to write higher new staff outside of what our contractors could provide. Okay, and I think this is worthy cause I try to explore, but hypothetically say we put it in motion. And we're looking at the bus and we're just maybe five people, six people, ten people on the routes. Like if that was the case, we have very, very low ridership, would you come back and say, okay, you had to be proposed two years, but six months, eight months in, it's not looking hot. What would you recommend? We certainly plan on monitoring the routes closely, especially during the pilot period. And the first year is really going to be crucial, I think, with really making adjustments as needed, especially if we don't hit those targets that we've established, especially for year one. And then maybe it might be a combination of, hey, we need to tweak our marketing, do certain messaging, go to different areas and make sure we penetrate those areas more. Work more closely with a lot of our employers and other partners. I mean, it could be a combination of things. But after the first year, I think it's going to be really crucial. And I feel confident that after two years, we'll have a pretty good understanding on whether it's worth establishing the routes to be permanent. To be our permanent community. I'm going to laugh right before my time runs safe. I wrote the bus in, but then I missed the time to go back out. What am I supposed to do? Well, currently sometimes it happens. We get calls from folks and then this patch we work out something with this patch. We don't like to leave people stranded. I'm sure that we would work something out. Mr. Croney. Thank you, Chair Randall. So I noticed in the staff item that the Latin County Public Schools fire and rescue and sheriff office employees were not included in the employer survey results. I'm just wondering why they weren't because Latin County Public Schools schools has is our largest single employer in Lowne County. So the offer was made, but we were not able to get that coordinated to get a definitive response back from them. Okay, so in my view, West Virginia is a route that I think I know a lot of employees that work in those areas come from. So I am also questioning Dale City, I think Dale City is okay, but Falkier County, I'm kind of questioning that. Why would we do that as a pilot? And I'm wondering if we should go back and get survey results from Latin County Public Schools, Fire and Rescue, and the Sheriff's Office. So we certainly can, if the board would like us to go back and gather more information and bring this back at a future date with a more robust, the challenges that I'll use the example of LCPS. The request was made, but it was, it requires the employer to be able to deliver that that information to their employees. We don't actually do that and go into there we didn't go into the employers themselves. We work with the employers to deliver the information but maybe with more time we could get that information from them at that particular time. They were not able to do that. I think West Virginia I saw 57% of employees travel. But that area I think that number would be higher. We did that survey. I'm also wondering if you think employers would be willing to subsidize some of the bus service? Because I noticed no employers offer free bus passes as an incentive, but they are looking to add kind of a transportation benefit. I notice 14% of employers are considering such benefits. So I'm wondering if that could be something we look into because the cost is really expensive, 1.7. And I agree with Supervisor Amstead. I think a year pilot isn't going to give us what we need in terms of results. So I'm wondering if we could look into working with employers and economic development to subsidize. Yeah, we actually have a program in place, an employer services program, and we have an employer service, especially as we work closely with a lot of our lot and county employers to promote a lot of those commuter benefits that you've heard today. Those incentives for folks to take advantage of the ampulling and carpooling and even transit. I know a lot of our local fairs are going to go fair free, but a lot of folks will be able to possibly tap into that through their employer for the commuter bus. And that would certainly be a big help to offset a lot of those costs. Yeah, exactly. And one of the elements with that is they need to have something to subsidize. So right now we're delimited to Carpool Vanpool in those locations. They don't have anything that they could provide incentives for. So that is one of the benefits of providing a service in the pilot. If they see it and see that it's viable, then they might use that as an incentive to bring in more employees and retain employees. But right now they have nothing to provide other than, then, right chair. Okay. Thank you. Ms. Berksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. Did you say that LCPS, LCSO and Loudoun County Fire and Rescue didn't respond to the survey? So I was specifically talking about LCPS and it really was that they did not, it's not that they did not respond. They were not able to provide that survey out to their entire employees within the time frame that we, that you needed. Yes. Okay. How much more time do they need? We could go back and ask them that. Okay. And what about LCSO and Loudoun County Fire and Rescue? So they would have to get back on that for that with you. I think that they may have been captured in some of our survey information as to whether or not they're actually delineated. We know we cannot target them specifically, but they may have been captured in our overall employee data. We'll get that back to you. Okay. Because I have also heard anecdotally from all three of those agencies and met a number of people from all three of those agencies who are living in West Virginia. Right, some of the challenges with that type of shift work is if you mentioned that they're aligned with their schedules. Certainly, their administrative or civilian staff could have more additional 95. But fire fighter schedules and law enforcement schedules are very regimented. But teachers are more stable. Teachers and principals will be more stable. Yeah, okay, okay. I think I heard the answer to this. A lot of my answer, a lot of my questions were answered. And I trust your numbers and I would agree to Dale City. And what was the other one? Warranton. I would do those pilots? I think they should be two or three years from the outset so that we get accurate accurate information But I think One of my questions was also answered did you say that it would basically be a wash as far as how much money somebody would be spending on their commute Versus driving and then the bus at the 8, the estimate was what they're willing to spend, the average what they're willing to spend to provide this service. So let me ask you this way, would somebody be saving money on their commute if they were to ride at 825 each way? I would say no, they would not be saving money with their commute that was based on what people would be willing to pay where the savings is from the other pain points. Yeah, okay, can you real quick go to the routes which had all seven of them I think or six? Right, so the one, come on, the The one from Frederick is like the only one that goes, that doesn't terminate in Leesburg. Is that correct? It looks like the only one that goes to Sterling actually. It goes down to one loud and specifically. Only the one loud and, okay Only the one loud. Okay. All right. Thank you. So, you know, the reason the reasons are like this are a couple things. One, I love moving people into loud and to work in loud in County. Two, I think it does help with it's a transit option. And so it takes cars off road, which is always good for the environment. And surprise, then, was named, talked about the environment yet. And two, it should help with traffic if it ever got up and going. I do agree that it's going to be hard to do this in one year. I would not send anything out of the state. I think it's so interesting that, you know, after, you know, I learned at the first time we had a discussion about the second bridge crossing was doing the Kennedy administration and it is Maryland that is saying no, no, heck no to even having a discussion about a second bridge crossing. So sending buses into Maryland to pull people out here is not something I'm really interested when they won't even have a discussion about a bridge crossing and they make it, you know, make it an issue every time we bring it up. So that's not really something I'm willing to do. But I'm certainly willing, especially to Dale City for a lot of reasons, a lot of the, just, a lot of reasons I would go do Dale City. I don't know how he felt about this yet. I remember when Michel Aterno did a roundabout that was outside of the county. And I remember thinking, is this guy crazy? And it was such a good idea because what he was doing was moving people. I mean, that roundabout was used much more by loud and county residents than it was by Fairfax County residents. And so it was really helpful to loud and county county even though it was not in our county. So I'm wondering if with this we have the same impact or not and I honestly just don't know yet so I know the motion Mr. Mr. Litornell is going to make and I'll go with that because I just don't know where I stand yet except for fact that I'm not moving anything and anybody out of Maryland that much I know. So, thank you. Okay, your name's Remotion. Yeah, I'm going to move that the feasibility of commuter bus service into Loud and County item be referred to the finance committee. Second. I'll start the over. Second. I think we need a little more time with this. This is incredible amount of information. This is good analysis. I think there because I see a benefit for our existing residents to get cars off of Route 15 more so than I do maybe some of the other routes. So it's complicated. There's a lot of factors. I like the questions that Supervisor Turner asked about the finding success. Because I think the board needs to kind of pick which of these criteria we're really leading with here and order to be able to decide exactly what we want to do, how much we want to do of it, and for how long. And I don't know that we have, I think it's going to be hard tonight on the fly here to kind of get that kind of consensus. So we can hopefully have a good discussion. I'd like to do this in November provided we don't have a huge agenda, even if we do maybe, probably not going to be worse than this, so that we can consider it as a budget development item as we've been doing with some other items and be ready for a good discussion going into FY26. So I'm going to shut up at this point since it's getting late, and I think there's agreement to send this to finance and keep refining it a little bit. Motion is just a sin to the finance. We got to talk about that motion. We really don't. We just send it to finance. I'm open to discussion and then I'm going to close the discussion because we got to talk about going to finance. So do you want to have a closing? Nope. Okay. All in favor of them. And then Mr. Biden has to say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 9-0. Well, very, very good. We are going to take a break and do two closed sessions in the break. Ms. Bricksman, will you please read us in the closed sessions? Two and three. No, we say it two and three right now. Thank you. Okay. I move that the board is supervisor. Sorry, Ernie guys, guys, thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, I'm sorry, going. I move that the board of supervisors recess this public meeting and enter into closed session pursuant to sections 2.2-3711A8 and A29 of the code of Virginia to consult with legal council pertaining to the negotiation of collective bargaining agreement where public funds are being expended and where negotiations in open session would adversely affect the bargaining position of the county. I further move that the Board of Supervisors recess this public hearing and enter into close session pursuant to sections 2.2, 3, 7, 1, 1, a 3 and a 7 of the code of Virginia to consider disposition of parcels, parcel or parcels of property and to consult with legal counsel and staff members pertaining to the actual and probable litigation regarding the courthouse expansion project in the Leesburg election district. I will second that in the discussion on that motion. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? I will second that in the discussion on that motion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? I motion passed 9-0. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. And I affirm as well. Thank you everybody. All right. So because I want to remind you all of two things. When we have a 12 o'clock vote if we are if we're over. Although I don't know if that applies to closed session. I don't know how that works for closed session. So this is once you remember, remember we have a 12 o'clock order for you. Madam Chair, I also want to remind you that by the rules of order, which I am happy to suspend for this moment, after you come out of, at this moment in the rules of order, in order was supposed to actually do our nominations and then comments before we do another item. I am happy to suspend the rules of order so we can get items done. Without objection, I'm going to do that. All right, having said all that, we have a motion out of closed session. I'm set to make a motion. Yes, ma'am. I move that the Board of Supervisors approve $13,375 for the settlement of a contract claim brought by the Olive Branch Masonic Lodge. I further move that the Board direct the County Administrator or is designated to execute a settlement agreement with the L lodge in a form approved by the county attorney to effectuate the settlement and obtain a release of all claims by the lodge. Motion is made in second but it was a maternal discussion on the motion. None. Anybody else? All the people say aye aye any opposed that motion will pass nine zero. Let's go to our next item today Which is the nonprofit organization requests for property tax exemption designation. That's item 14 aye He is here Well, we tried earlier I did I did I. We tried earlier. I did. I did. I tried. I tried earlier. I know Joe tried so to get you out of here. I was trying to follow the agenda, man. I know. And I was trying to follow the agenda. I was trying to do a solid man. I was, but it didn't work so. Here we go. Yes, here we go. Madam Chair, members of the board, this is an item that's being forwarded from the Finance Committee. Tax exemptions for nonprofit organizations, it's supervisor, Luternos favorite item. We had six applicants who made it through the process, finance committee, recommended forwarding four of those to the full board for consideration. They are B-Desh Foundation, Cornerstone Zinc, Northern Virginia Family Service, and women giving back. You heard a gentleman from Cornerstone's this evening who came out to speak with you. There were also two that were not forwarded, I just mentioned them to you. It was society for imaging informatics in medicine and Willis for its conservancy. Both of those organizations have made application to you in the past for an exemption. When I came to the Finance Committee, I did mention that 88% of the exemptions that are currently granted are provided in dollar amount, 88% of the dollars that go to tax exemption are for two organizations, Falcons Landing and Howard Hughes Medical Institute. Of the $5.1 million in calendar year 24 revenue that was forgiven. 88% or $4.5 million was for those two organizations. The list of organizations that we have that have been granted an exemption to date are 49 in total and those two comprise the majority of that money You were forwarded from county administration and amended draft motion earlier this afternoon that Includes those four organizations for consideration for a public hearing on November 13th for the granting of an exemption. And I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have relative to the item. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. Did I hear you correctly? There's 49 organizations that are receiving tax exemptions. There are a lot more than 49, but there are 49 that have been granted exemption by the board of supervisors. So once we granted exemption, it's permanent because we're not- That's correct, as long as they're using the property for the exempt purpose for which the board granted the exemption. Included in your annual budget document is a list of those organizations that have received the exemption and the amount that they would provide it. And that's also in your item today as attachment for. Okay. There is authorization for you to revoke an exemption. Should you desire? Do you know, I wasn't finance meeting, what was the basis that we just, first of all, there's a comment in here that a total of eight applications were received by the 2024 deadline. Two were granted exemption by classification. Can you explain that? Yes, there are two two types of exemptions. One by classification, the others by designation by the governing body. The classification determination I can make on my own. That's for organizations like the VFW or a church or something like that. So I had two organizations that made an application. They did not need to make an application through the April 1st deadline, but they did. So I processed them in the normal course of business. The other six were nonprofits that you all could consider for. Can I ask, without putting you on the spot too badly, the tenor of the conversation is to why the four were selected. Why the two were not selected. What was the basis in the discussion and finance upon which we made decision not to recommend two of them? I would characterize it as the organizations didn't. The majority of the benefit was not to loud in residence. Is that how I would characterize the comments that the board members were making. I got 50 seconds, so let me do a follow-up question. The information, informatics, the medical informatics. Yes, sir. I thought they were based out of the Nova Loudon, and so I would have expected most of their clients or a Nova Loudon, is that not the case? I don't recall their exact address although it is on the documentation I believe. They are here in Loudon County. I would say that they provide services nationally as how I would characterize the activities. Okay, thank you. Mr. Crowley. Thank you, Chair Rinnell, and thank you, Mr. Ward. So with cornerstone, they're just looking for tax exemption for their trucks. Is that correct? It's personal property, yes. Personal property. Correct, they do not own any real estate here in the county. I thought they owned that hub, that food hub. The free from hunger center, food hub, no, they don't own it. No, there's no request for real property tax exemption. Okay, so it's just for the trucks. Okay, and Willisford, I listened to the discussion from finance and it seems like the main issue there was public access to their 2000 acres of open space. And I want to let the board know that I'm working with them on getting access, public access, continuous on a portion of the 2000 acres. So whatever isn't contiguous with the residential, we're going to look at providing public access with trails and passive, passive use. So I am working on that with them. But they do a lot for the community that's outside of just the residents. So hopefully we can work through that public access issue. I am surprised and I'm glad you brought this to our attention. Mr. Warts, I had no idea that two nonprofits, totaling 4.5 million, we're receiving the majority of the benefit, right? Yes. And we can rescind that if we decide that that is not meeting the criteria, those two. No, you don't make the determination relative to the criteria. You could revoke the exemption if you desire to do that. Right, but one of the criteria in the code is the revenue impact to the locality and its taxpayers of exempting the property. So that's one of the criteria in the code is the revenue impact to the locality and its taxpayers of exempting the property. So that's one of the criteria. So I'm just saying it's 4.5 million, which has a huge impact to the residents and to the locality and the taxpayers. So but we could rescind it. If you decided to. Okay, thank you. Mr. Sains. Yes, I have a motion. If you're ready for motion. I have one quick question first. So I understand that Cornerstone is only asking for a personal property. However, I'm a little confused because the gentleman that came and spoke tonight said that 60% of their services are their benefits are too loud and county. But when I asked that question of your staff today and they sent me some information back, he said it was 40%. I do have a rule and I understand Mr. Luterno is always saying that we need to have some clarity around this, how we do this. And after this time, we're going to get together and work on that. But I actually have a rule in my own hand that it needs to be at least 50% to Loudoun County. And this is, and according to your staff, it's 40%. Do you understand the disparity between what the gentleman said tonight from Cornerstone and what your staff found? I can't respond to the comments tonight. We can only convey the information that was provided to us by the applicant. Okay, so you got that from the application that was sent to you. So when your staff took that and he actually said, he clearly said 40% allowed in 60% of Fairfax. I'm more than happy to double check with my staff. I can find the documentation that I have that was included in your item. Let me find it. Yeah, email. He sent us an email. We asked that very question and got an email back before it came on the day. The application does the organization provide services exclusively to Loudoun County residents. The answer is no. Loudoun 40% Fairfax 60%. Yeah, and that's on the information they gave you. That's correct. Okay, then I'm going to, then I will not support Cornerstone because I'm sorry that it needs to be at least 50% to Loudoun County for me, even if it's just personal property, a real property tax needs to be at least 50% allowed in County for me, even if it's just personal property tax, it's at least 50%. So I will make a friendly that that motion, or you can take it out of the motion when you put it in there, but I won't support that. So you want to make the motion? Yes, Madam Chair, I move the recommendation of the finance government operations, the Economic Development Committee that the Board of Supervisors refer Mead ash foundation Northern Virginia family services and women giving back incorporated from the list of all applicants identified in attachment one of the October 16th 2024 Board of Supervisors business meeting action item to the November 13th 2024 Board of Supervisors public hearing for consideration of Ordinance granting the requested property tax exemptions. I will second that and thank you discussion on the motion. No, this is a terminal. So that's a good example of why we should have. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I know, you know. So we're going to try again. We're going to try again. I try to once. We're going to try again. I did just want to maybe answer some of our return to questions. to survive the terms question. So the society for the medical imaging, they don't serve patients. It's like a trade association for imaging professionals or like a thought leadership kind of thing. So there was really very little direct nexus to anybody here. There's happened to be here, and it's a great organization. I'm sure they do wonderful work. Similarly, Willis Ferdes great as well. But anyway, I always abstain because I don't like how we do this so no more needs to be said. Yep. All right. I'm going to close the Mr. Saints. All right. I'll go off. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Oppose. Abstain. Abstain. So that will pass 801 with Mr. Eternal abstain abstaining. Thank you very much. Thankaining. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. All right, supervisors, that was the easy one, I think, today. Let's do the bicycling number 14 in. And bicycling in pedestrian wayfinding. Yes, both committees have seen this. This has gone through both committees. So I think do you have anything different that both committees haven't seen already? Does anything change since both committees saw this? No. No, we have the last slide on the presentation has a summary of the GEOEDC motion. That's also in the packet. Okay, I'm going to go on to Mr. miss Bricksman to make that motion and since everything else is as it was and this has gone through both committees. All right. Miss Bricksman, would I make a motion? May I ask staff a quick question because it will be a further move in the motion? Sure. Okay. Would we be able to address bike loudens concerns about the, about the western route without slowing the projects significantly slowing? I believe that we could address their concerns at the same time as, you know, as the finance committee, we're looking at an eastern pilot route. We could look at it at the same time. As the finance committee, we're looking at an Eastern pilot route, we could look at it at the same time. Okay, excellent. All right. Thank you. Would you like to make a motion? I would. I'm trying to find the motion. Sorry, Madam Chair. Okay. I wasn't expecting to go straight to. Okay, here we go. It's good. I'm glad Madam Chair. Okay. I wasn't expecting to go straight to. Okay, here we go. It's good. I'm glad we are. Okay. I move that the recommendation of the transportation and land use committee, uh, uh, that the board of supervisors endorse the proposed countywide bicycle and pedestrian wave finding program prioritization methodologies, recommend recommended waveinding sign typologies and proposed pilot bicycle wayfinding routes as described in the October 16, 2024 Board of Supervisors Business Meeting Action Item. I further move that the recommendation of the finance, government, operations and economic development committee that the Board of Supervisors direct staff to identify the feasibility of an additional pilot route in Eastern Loudon County as part of the proposed wayfinding program. I further move that the recommendation of the finance government operations and economic development committee that the Board of Supervisors direct staff to send the funding discussion for implementation of the proposal, proposed pilot bicycle waifining routes to include the additional pilot route development of customized waifining signage and prioritization analysis for further route selection to the fiscal year 2026 capital improvement program budget process for consideration and prioritization by the board. I further move that the board is supervisors direct staff to work with bike loud and to investigate the feasibility of an alternate route in Western loud and that addresses the route 9 safety concerns. Thank you. Is that what you needed? Is that good? Professor Singh's discussion on the motion. Thank you. Thank you Madam Chair. I appreciate it. So I really appreciate the work on this as we discussed in finance. This started in 2017 and now we're taking it up now and I was concerned that we didn't have another kind of functional route in Eastern Loudon while we had a 40 mile route in Western Loudon which I think is great. I don't want to take it away. I want it to happen. I know there's a ton of cyclists out there every weekend. I know that it will be a tourist attraction. But I just want to make sure that we're also doing functional routes where the majority of the population might need them. And so that's why, for my colleagues, that's why I added the second Eastern route to the project. I actually alerted bike loudened to this item over the weekend when we were riding bikes. And she went and took a look at it. And I wasn't expecting her to make those comments tonight about Route 9. But I actually did drive out on Old Wheatland Road a couple of weekends ago and it happened to be Friday around rush hour and I went to the intersection with Route 9 and I thought, oh my gosh, there is a lot of traffic on this road and I didn't make the connection that she did that bike the bike loud and representative made and one of her comments to me was that since there's been improvements on route 9 and also since COVID, the traffic patterns have changed a little bit. And that maybe when we first envisioned this in 2017, we do have a little bit of a different ground truth right now. So I appreciate just looking at that. What the section she was talking about, hopefully it's just a small section that she's worried about and working with Bike Loudon to make sure that we are directing folks on safe routes. Because the last thing we want to do is direct folks to something that's on to a route that's not necessarily safe for them. And I think that is all I have. Thank you. Mr. Crowey. Thank you, Chair Reynolds. And thank you, Steph. So I think there's 205 signs that are gonna go in the Western Loudon Brute. Is that correct? It's what's being proposed. Okay, so we are doing a rural CPM and ZOMAM about signs and I do worry that there that's a lot of signs. I think it's about five signs every mile. Why why all these signs? So as you approach an intersection you have a destination sign. That says, at this upcoming intersection, turn right to go to this destination. Stay straight to go to the next town. So you make your decision. And at the other side of the intersection, you have a confirmation sign that says, this way to the town that you're trying to get to, or this way to the destination you're trying to get to, basically confirming that you're on the right route. And so every time you have an intersection of, or a junction of bike routes, you have three signs. Sometimes more depending on how many routes are being added, right? If you have a spur route, you might have additional signs there. And then on top of that, every mile you have another confirmation sign just to reconfirm that people are on the route that they want to be on to get to where they want to go. So that's okay. How the signs were identified for those routes. So I saw in an article that people were concerned about sign clutter and Western loud end and making our country roads look trashy with all the signs. These are just things I saw in an article. I mean, will the public have an opportunity to have comment before we put up 205 signs? We can build that into the sign placement, the next steps for determining where they go. Yeah, I just think they're concerns about the number of signs and just, especially in Western Loudon. So, I just want to bring that up because- We will take that into consideration as we further the implementation here. Okay. Okay, thank you. Mr. Williams, are you already spoke, Mr. Williams? Didn't you? I don't know if he did. On this item, have you spoken on this item already? Didn't you just speak on this item? Oh, and okay. It's higher. Yes, sir. Thank you. Just a really quick comment to follow up on what supervisor Tricronica said. I used to live in Western Loudon. Now I live in western loud and I live in eastern loud, I ride my bike everywhere. Wayfinding signs are absolutely critical, especially out west. I mean, you just have no idea what, at least you know somebody who's looked at the route and said, this is drivers are aware they're gonna be bicyclists on this road. The bicycle, the cyclists are aware of this, somebody's looked at this and this is a recommended route to get to where he want to go. It allows private organizations to map out the preferred bike routes based on the wayfinding signs. There's a whole bunch of collateral benefits for the signage. And I think they're pretty unattrusive. I don't think they're going to be large billboards, two by four foot billboards. They're going to be small, wayfinding size. And you'll just get used to looking for them. I grew up in New Jersey and you can find a New Jersey turnpike arrow all over the place. And it really helps because you immediately know what to look for and where to go. So I think you're in good shape. Thanks. I'm happy to support this item. I don't think it's because where the majority of people in Loudoun County live, because everybody in Loudoun County who attacks pairs of pain for this and as Mr. Turner just said, bicycle is right all over Loudoun County. I'm happy to support it because it's a good item to support not because it's where the majority of people live in Loudoun County because we're one County. Ms. Bricks, would you like a closing. Thank you, Madam Chair. So appreciate staff's work on this. Thank you very much. And Supervisor Turner said pretty much what I was going to say about the signage as an avid cyclist as well. I think it's critical, especially out there on the country roads, that we have plenty of warning that we direct people. You know, those can be windy roads and, you know, at the intersections, there may be a couple different options that you need to know about. And I actually think supervisor Turner for mentioning that it alerts drivers that you could be sharing the road with cyclists. And I have to go back to look at the signs, but I think it would also be good to have those types of signs, not just the wayfinding, but you are sharing the road with cyclists potentially when you are on these routes. I think would be really a good addition somehow, especially given what Mike Loudens said tonight about their concerns on some of those roads where the sight lines aren't great and they're narrow and those sorts of things. And I know that if you're alerting drivers to be watching for the cyclists, I think that they would be watching for the cyclists. So I really appreciate this project. I'm so looking forward to it. and I won't belabor the point anymore because it's getting late. Thank you. Motion made by the Bricksman and seconded by Supervisor Saints. And the Abbott bike rider that he is. Hey, what's the order of something? There's a tournament that you want. He's in. All the people say hi very much. And we will go to the last item. Which is the purchase of development rights discussion. Good evening. How y'all doing? Good evening. Doing all right good so Whenever we presented the DPC work plan earlier this month there was a motion made to bring just this component of the work plan back to the board For further guidance so that is why we are here. We produce the very small Staff report. I think the board's well aware of the history. We're happy to Discuss more or answer any questions staff report, I think the board is well aware of the history we're happy to discuss more or answer any questions. Primarily we are here, I believe more so that y'all can talk with each other than perhaps talk to us. Basically, I'm here, leave me out of this, talk amongst yourselves. I'm happy to answer any questions. That's a very nice, leave me out of this and talk amongst yourselves. And that is, and I listen. I totally understand that. That is not an issue at all. You feel the same way, yes, you guys. All right. I'm trying to remember was this Mr. Kirschner, Mr. Turner, and Mr. Croney, who all kind of bought this at one time. So Mr. Turner, I think that, you know, truthfully, I think the easiest thing to do is go to a motion. So how about you go to a motion? You want to make a motion? Well, I'm going to move to do is go to a motion. So how about you go to a motion? And you want to make a motion? Well, well, well, well. Madam Chair, I move the Board of Supervisor, maintain the purchase of development rights program at the current prioritization level within the Department of Planning and Zoning Work Plan, and authorize staff to review, evaluate, and offer recommendations relating to a pilot program. Thank you. Motion's made and second by Mr. Crony. Discussion on the motion, Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't want to beat this dead horse. I think this is, I think the vote is going to go five, four, one way or the other. I think that's where we are. I'm hoping for a little bit better than that, but I think everybody's familiar with the arguments. Let me just kind of summarize and can reiterate my argument. There's no question that the grant PDR program that the board has been struggling with for years now was pretty ponderous and wasn't going to get enough votes to pass. PEC to their credit basically carved out a very nominal and manageable pilot program. I think based on the presentation that I received it can be set up so it has minimal staff oversight that there are ways to administer the pilot program with relatively low staff input. I would like to try it for two reasons number one. It's one more tool that we don't have right now that we could have to set aside development rights with conditions that we determine, guaranteeing public access, specifying the uses for that just in the West. And if it's laser focus and a pilot program, I think there's some really good projects. I'm thinking of several things that we could do along Goose Creek and with trails along Goose Creek and Broadrun on the East and the side of the county. But the second main reason is there are a lot of federal and state grant programs around an established PR program that are not available if the county just decided on its own. Okay, we want to do this with this piece of land. Those grant monies would not be available. Having an established PER program albeit a small one opens up those coffers and allows us to leverage county dollars to maximum effect. I specifically asked today a rep from the PEC because I made the comment from the day I said I wanted to make sure it was not out the lunch that when we spent $26 million on that 300 acres off of Evergreen Mills Road that we could have pursued that under a small pilot PDR program and probably done the same deal for $6 million. And specified the allowed public uses on that piece of land. I don't know that for sure, but I did a broad brush analysis with the person that I was talking to. And they said, yeah, that probably could have worked. So it's another tool and it opens up grant monies that we don't have available to us. This is a very modest proposal and I think it's worth a shot. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Turner. Mr. Lattorno. Thank you. Well, I think as the governor said, our positions are fairly well established on this. I do want to thank the PEC for coming up with a somewhat novel angle at this, but to me it just doesn't really work as a pilot because what's it going to prove out? It may be an entity within itself as sort of a means of land acquisition, but the first problem I have is if we're talking about L-PAT specifically, most of that's within the floodplain and in an environmentally sensitive area anyway. So it's not going to be very instructive for us as part of a PDR. And it's going to be a land that is not the hardest to acquire of all the stuff that we're trying to do. We'll still have to come back and get permanent access to these properties. And we're still going to have to have a negotiation about it. So, you know, the strongest argument that I've heard is that we may be able to get certain grant money for this that we wouldn't otherwise I'm not necessarily certain that that's the case But I think that that's offset by the fact that I don't buy that it's minimal staff time and staff involvement Because these things never are Just preparing the items that are gonna come to us and the discussions that are going to happen that alone. But because it's a pilot, the point of a pilot is to sort of prove something out. So if it really was a pilot, it would need to have more staff involvement because we would be looking at it to see if it could be expanded into other areas and other ways. And I've been pretty clear that I just don't want to do that. I think if we need to acquire land, we just acquire land for L-PAT. There are other ways of acquiring land. There's negotiations we've had. We did acquire some land for L-PAT through various land use applications. And so on and so, in fact, we've done a lot of that. And so on and so forth. So I just don't see this pilot as solving a problem for us In particular, nor do I think it's a particularly good representation of what PDR actually is and what it's typically used for. So I really wouldn't even call it a PDR pilot. So in any event, I think we need to just end this discussion. The board's been in limo on it and the work plan staff is tired of it, I think, coming back and forth and getting caught in the middle between the two factions on the board. So we need to decide I'm hoping that we can move on for now and Certainly we've got plenty of things that we've got going on in this county right now All we talk about is how staff stretch then particularly planning and zoning staff They don't need another program to manage so let's let's just end this Yeah, I don't think we should be worried since that's the mouth. They would be careful not to say they don't even talk and we should probably shouldn't put words in their mouth. Mr. Kirschner. Thank you, Madam Chair. So I don't know how to kind of say this in any other way that I've ever said it. And obviously I represent a big chunk of Western Latin County. But if we want to have a county that looks like loud and then not fair facts, we need to start doing something when you start doing it really, really fast. Because that's what's happening. And it's going to happen probably within the next 10 years. The PDR is just one of those types of programs. And I think part of what is being proposed by the PEC and I went to the presentation yesterday is more than just novel is actually somewhat proven. If you look at Clark County and what they've done we're kind of leaving money on the table quite frankly if we're not going to explore this. I think of the of the of there I think it was local funds was about 25% of the stuff that's been put in PDR. And that's pretty significant. That's more bang for your buck than quite frankly, you're going to get anywhere else for any other reason. So when you drive, I mean for those super residues who want to vote against this, when you drive west and you enjoy seeing the winery to the right or the open field to the left, those are either an easement or they've been purchased by some past PDR program. That is going to become houses. Otherwise, at some point. So you're right. What the PEC was addressing would not necessarily address most of those things, but it would give us an opportunity to look at how well this is working. And you would have a scoring system quite frankly that would prioritize parks, parks and county uses and you know, LPAP program, et cetera, et cetera. So if you take this off the table, we won't even be able to explore that. And that's I think we on T-Luck, that's all we're asking is, and it's not even going to be worked on right away and staff's got a number of other things far in front of this quite frankly so I think that I think it's pennywise and pound foolish to just kind of discard this without the opportunity to look at it and yes it will require some staff time but allowing T-Lock to explore this is kind of what we do in our committee and by just taking it off the table. You're neutering our committee when it comes to something that's very important and that's land use quite frankly in this county and what the West represents to this county because it goes again. If you want Fairfax County, sure 100%. But that's, I know what the chair doesn't want. She wants Loudon County and I think that's why we're all in this board and this in World One board I'm afraid yeah, we're one board and one board looks to kind of accomplish the comprehensive plan that we have which is very distinct policy areas and this is just one of those small tools. I mean listen. You don't even have to fund it quite frankly Which means it will never go anywhere. But until you explore something and look at it as an opportunity, then you're just dismissing it. So I think a vote known this quite frankly is a vote for more houses in a west that will end up dying. Thank you, sir. Mr. Crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. And yeah, I mean, I think this provides an opportunity to preserve land across all of Latin County. And it does lessen the cost to taxpayers because that would normally be homes, which require services. And it allows residents to have open space and trails and parks. I mean, we just talked tonight about how we don't have enough parks. We don't have enough cricket fields in eastern Loudon. So I see this as an opportunity to just preserve the vision of Loudoun County, the vision that people gave input into the comprehensive plan. And this is just a test to show that something like this, which can be small or big, it depends on the board's direction. Again, this is all board direction. We can have a big impact, especially with our LPAT program, connecting those missing trails. It is disappointing that we can't get the votes here to move forward with a pilot. It's something that I think the board's been talking about since 2020. The last board, I know tried to move this forward and then with COVID it got put on hold and now we're killing it basically. I'm hoping that we'll keep it on TBD at least so that if the board has a change of heart we can bring it forward and do a pilot. I think PEC's proposal is excellent. It allows us to really test it and to show that this can work for all of Loudon County. And that's how I see it. I don't see it for just Western Loudon. I see it for the entire county. And I do think we're leaving money on the table. Clark County's figured it out. I mean, I think they give like 20% of the funding towards their program and they've preserved thousands of acres for parks and open space and trails. So it is disappointing, but I'm hoping that we'll keep it on TBD and re-invigorate it down the road. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Berksman. Thank you, ma'am. Miss Berksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. So I spent 75 minutes on Friday afternoon with PEC and went, you know, talked a lot about this potential new idea and I also appreciate their time and efforts. I don't have a hard heart toward the goals that they're trying to accomplish, and we sort of agreed to disagree on the concept. I am not convinced that having a program like this pilot, all the elements of it, I think are already supported in our policy. We can already do just about everything that is suggested in this pilot, because our policy supports it. Our policy supports the L-PAT. Our policy supports us buying and easements and or land itself for the L-PAT. And the grants, I also believe our policy supports going out and finding grants for outdoor recreation of any type that we're trying to do. So, you know, I listened with an open mind, and I just believe that our policy already supports pretty much everything this program is trying to say that it does. Also, a number of the grant programs that were mentioned by nature of their grants, their conservancy type grants would not allow public access to the land that we, when we apply for the grant, and if we get the grant. So I won't be supporting the motion. Again, it's not because I have a hard, hard toward the cause. I understand the concerns of my colleagues. But I just don't think it's a good use of anyone's taxpayer dollars or of staff's time at this point. Thank you. First of all, thank you to PEC for coming up with this. I think it's interesting that my colleague says I wouldn't call this a PDR pilot program. That's kind of interesting, meaning in any discussions about we tried this once and it's not working. Well, this is not a PDR pilot. I guess we haven't tried this before, have we? So, you know, listen, I think that I'm going to try to use all tools possible to ensure Western Loud and County remains Western Loud and County. We have the infrastructure to support homes and we are at least trying to put the infrastructure down to support homes and we are at least trying to put the infrastructure down to support homes in the east. We have the roads, we have the schools, we have fire and rescue, we have what we need in the east. That's why we put houses there. And that's why you know urban policy area is more dense and more vertical. We don't have that same infrastructure in the west. So when homes go up in the West, even if it's by right, it cost us more. And that's not what we want to do. And it cost us not so much in the homes, because again, we should not look at people as cost. But we lose abilities to have, even the ability to have more tourist attractions more, because that's all of our tourist text when it comes to them. So, I think we are a unique county because we have these distinct policy areas. And my goal is to keep distinct policy areas. And so all the tools that will allow me to keep to build a robust urban policy area with dense vertical housing and performance art center and sports and all those things I'm going to put them there. All the goals in suburban policy area that allows us to do pocket parks and great education facilities and night homes and walkable communities, I'm gonna do them there. And everything in the west that allows us to keep western loud in county open and free of by-right development, that's what we're going to see. We're going to see by-right development, which gives us no infrastructure at all. I'm going to try to do it there. So I'm trying to focus on what is good for the whole county, county wide. And I think that this is good for Western Louting County, which means it's good for the county. So I'm going to support the item. Mr. Turner, would you like to have a closings, sir? I'm going to close my thinkingings, sir? I'm sorry? I closed my eye, bad. I don't have access to the closing. You'll need a closing. I don't need a closing. All right. Mr. Turner made the motion. Mr. Crony seconded the motion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. Ms. Glass, would you vote? Would you vote? Yeah. Okay, that motion will fail 5-4 with supervisors. Turner, Tercroni, Chair Randall, and some vice-cursor voting for the motion. All right, thank you. Now we're- I'm sure do I need to then make motion too? right, thank you. Now we- I'm sure do I need to then make motion too? I think I do. Do you? I think I do. Oh, I guess so. Okay. All right. I move the Board of Supervisors to remove the purchase development rights program from the Department of Planning and Zoning, we're planning direct staff to continue work on this program until directed otherwise by the Board of Supervisors. Second. Most in the main, take a minute, miss thumb stuff. Certainly don't need to relitigate the whole discussion, but I do want to state. I think I speaking on behalf of everybody who just voted now that this is not a referendum on turning Loudon into Fairfax County or getting rid of the zoning that we have in Loudon, which they don't have in Fairfax County, which is one unit per 10 or 20. In fact, the pilot program was entirely in Eastern Loudon in this case. So we have our differences. I know we do on this program, but I think the board has been pretty united in our desire to see Western Loudon maintain its rural character and access. We may have a few differences. Minor differences really, on specifics of how to get there sometimes. But I think everybody up here is pretty unified on that. And I think that that should be an important message coming out regardless of how you feel on this particular program. Anybody else? No, I'm sure. Mr. Curtis? I just want to answer that a little bit. Sure. Yeah, you can say that supervisor will turn it on, but I want to tell you quite frankly, the next board may not feel the same way. So that's the issue. It's a future board, not maybe not the next board, after that is going to change the zoning in western loud and you just wait and see. And if we don't preserve these properties as a property permanently, they will get developed. that's what's happening in Prince William, that's what happened in Fairfax. Mr. Turner? Oh, sorry. I would say that I think Mr. Kirsner, the proof of that is that, and I keep saying, there's no board going back, I think we're almost going back 16 years right now, has approved a housing development in Western London County, yet we have a ever growing, ever crowded Western London County, including the ever growing, ever crowded Western Loudon County, including the ever growing, ever crowded roads, because when they're built by right, no one actually built puts in any profits for that. So I think that we're, I take Mr. Eternal Matters' word, I have no issue not to, but I think that the facts showed that something else happens. I think I can't believe I'm going to pro-Mr. Higgins. But Mr. Higgins, you're always say nothing is not going to be what happens. Something's going to happen. Depends on what you want to happen and what we make happen. And every other way we decide, we try to say what we want to happen. So that we have some control over it right now. Yeah. So anyway, would you like a closing? I won't know why I do. Yeah, and we had that same thing happening when we had a PDR program in place. We had by right development happening in Western Loud. If a property owner is so motivated to develop, the PDR program is not going to deter them from that. But I don't think the conversation about tools in the Toolbox is over in terms of how to do this. But I think that we can have an honest disagreement about Whether this particular tool is the right one or the good one. And still have the same goal. And I'm gonna stick with that. So, I remember this vote is kind of the opposite. So just remember how you're voting on this is kind of the opposite, how you, this is the opposite because of how the motion is state. It's just me aware of that. So, all in favor, you're in favor of taking it off is what you're seeing. So all the people say aye. Aye. Opposed? No. They have the same number. Miss Glass, I can't hardly hear you down here. That's why I'm not trying to pick on you. I just don't know what you're saying. I think you actually think you're whispering on purpose. It's an aye. OK. That motion will pass the same thing. Five four. Okay. If you have a appointment, please put your light on and Mr. Prickspin's going to do a dispensions of the Rose Fank. Hey Dan, I got a text that said, when you said like you were just sit there, I got a text from my chief of staff that said, Dan is just a man. So he is. Like he is. All right. If you have appointments put your lights on miss Umsta. Thank you, ma'am. I am nominating Tyler Richards to the REDC. Mr. Croni. I nominate Donna Woodhouseke to the Little River District C for the Community Criminal Justice Board. Miss, Mr. Sains. I nominate Paula, our host as the Sterling Disorder Representative on the Animal Advisory Committee and at nominate David Kaiser as an at-lar representative on the community services board. Thank you and Mr. Rickson you like to make a motion? I move, we'll do have to nominate first and then move for suspending the rules. No, you have to suspend the rules first. I have to nominate first. That's what I thought. Okay. I nominate George Lambert to the Heritage Commission as the Algonquin District Representative. All right. That nomination has been made and keep going, ma'am. I move that the Board of Supervisors suspend the rules. I will second that. Thank you. Maybe discussion. I don't know if you would say aye. Aye. Aye. Let's try that one more time. I'll pay a please say aye. Aye. Oppose. OK, miss. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Actually, you should have said it. That was the motion for suspension. So you should say it in the motion for suspension. I'm suspending the rules because the Algonquin district seat has been empty this entire term so far and we would like to have him go to the November 4th meeting, which is before November 7th meeting. All right. Okay, just ask quick. Is this information in the packet? Yes. Okay. His application is in. Thank you. Would you like to make a, would you like to? Thank you. Thank you. Would you like to make a, would you like to? Thank you, thank you. The rest. Yes, please do. I move that the Board of Supervisors confirmed George Lambert to the Heritage Commission as the Algonquin District Representative. I will second that. Discussion on the motion. No. We're going to, we're going to discuss on the most been Miss Bricksmann. Would you like to hear about Mr. Lambert before you vote? Okay, no. No. Thank you, Mr. Lambert. You're awesome. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion was passed 9-0. All right. We do have board comments. Yes, we do. And yes, we do. Don't shake your head at me and disclosures And this closes we do have board comments and disclosures shaking head is not the helpful and Because of that I'm gonna use first mr. Kirschner Board comments and disclosures. Yes, sir Yeah, the news from Katocht. No real quick. I do want to let everybody know on the board and anybody who may still be listening at this late witching hour That we have two more Saturdays for farm market October 19th and 26 from 8 to 11 So go get your last farm products. We also have the loud and sore fall farm tour coming up, October 19th to 20th. And that's the news from Kentucky. See, I did that in 40 seconds. And you have no disclosures? Oh, mandatory. I did meet with Jen Van Gogh and Keely Murphy and TA, Irman about the proposed PDR program yesterday. Okay, thank you very much. Ms. Tachroni. Okay. Let me do it. Disclosures on October 14th. My staff met with Molly Novotny and Angela Rehaz regarding Stonehill on October 10th. I met with Denise Herover regarding the Ormiform Application on October 9th. I met with Colleen, Gillis and Ben Wells regarding Fleetwood North on October 8th. I met with Colleen Gillis, Angela Renas, Reyes, Ben Wells, Dave McEnany, and Nat Masha regarding Fleetwood North. So I just wanted to bring up that Fuzzy Carter, age 77, Valdi, Virginia, passed away on October 10, 2024. I'll go second. Guys, stop. Okay, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. Okay, say that one more time because I think it was important what you just said. It is important. No, you did not. He did not. I got scolded. Say it again, Ms. DeProny. Busy Carter, a 77 of Aldi Virginia died on October 10th, 2024. He served the Aldi volunteer fire department and community for nearly 63 years and was fire chief for over 35 consecutive years. He was chairman of the Latin County Fire and Rescue Commission for many years was the recipient of numerous awards and was the Loudoun County Fire and Rescue in the Loudoun County Fire and Rescue Hall of Fame. His leadership incident command, skills, and firefighting tactics were legendary and he was directly involved in saving numerous lives over the years. He inspired many people to make fire and EMS work their livelihood. Sorry, he's not going to get to see the grand opening of the Aldi fire station next year. I knew Buzzzie. I have a little picture of him. When I went to the Aldi garage, he ran the Aldi garage for 47 years before he retired, and he used to fix my Honda's. He is such a pleasant man. I mean, it was so nice to speak with him just about what was going on in Aldi. And yesterday I went to the visitation and saw family and friends. I'd ask everybody to keep Chief Carter's family and your thoughts and prayers during this difficult time. And we will miss him in the village of Aldi and I want to thank him for his years of service to Lenten County. Thank you, Mr. Crowley. Mr. Lenterno? Disclosures. So September 23rd, I met with Amanda Williams of Cooley, Colleen Gillis of Curata and James I'm going to come back to that in a second. October 15th, I met with Colleen Gillis of Curata and James Brothers and Dave Ramsey of Westburg to discuss our Colotown Center application. Sorry, didn't realize I was reading the same thing twice just different dates. So we defer that item tonight because we're just working on showing up language that is specific to the use of the barn and the commercial uses in the site. We're not changing the overall unit count or anything like that, but we're trying to ensure that the commercial uses will be as intended. The language is a little bit loose on that as it exists. Supervisor Tacroni brought that to my attention and raised it. And it was a valid, valid concern. So we're, we're trying to work on that to just see if we can get that resolved for the next meeting. So that's what's happening on that one. That's all I'm going to say. Happy birthday to Professorvisor Cray. Supervisor Sains. Thank you, Madam Chair. On Monday, October 7, I met with Molly Novotny of Cureta and Angela Rasa of Tolbrothers to discuss the Stone Hill residential application on Wednesday, October, night, they met with Denise Harvard of Van Meter about or commercial application. Thank you, supervisor. I'm stuck. Thank you, ma'am. On October 3rd, I met with Denise Harover and Roy Barnett on the Orem property application. On October 7, I met with Micromio and Charles Yud on the Greenland Park application on October 9th. I met with Matthew Penning and Aaron Frank on the milestone application and on October 16th. I had a phone call with Colleen Gillis of Karada on the spirit application. No further comments except Happy Birthday Laura. Thanks. Thank you, miss. I'm sorry. About the glass. Thank you Madam Chair. I have three disclosures on Wednesday, October 2nd. My staff met with representatives of milestone towers to discuss the trail side and Belmont Tower applications on Thursday, October 3rd. I met with representatives of the Morfield Oslo residential application on Tuesday, October 8th. My staff met with representatives of the Greenlight Park Data Center application. And yesterday I went to a couple of locations with mobile hope. They, it was called the, listen for the honk. That was the first time that I went out there with them. It was, I had a lot of feelings about that, about going out there. I felt good that I was helping people passing out vegetables to them. They had two trucks out there. One was a truck with essentials. The other truck was a refrigerated truck. So they had lots of fruits and vegetables that canned goods. They had things for children, for families. But it also showed me what need that we have in Loudon County. People always say that we are the richest county and the nation or in the Commonwealth, but we still have a lot of need out here. In the second location that we went to, the line was much longer than the first location. And my heart just went out to, you know, all the folks that are out there. And I just want to, first of all, thank all of our non-profit set are out there, and all the wonderful things that they do. And also want to think the stores that we're giving, the, you know, the vegetables, and, you vegetables and all those good things that families need, that children need. They said they have received goods from Costco, from Giant, and I think all of the, and there were a couple other stores I can't remember, but just thank you all for having such a heart to help people that are in need. Thank you Madam Chair, that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Turner. Thank you Madam Chair. On Thursday October 10th, my staff and I, excuse me, met with Charles Yud from Loudon Water, Anker, Wallia, and Clayton Talk from Urban LTD. Mike Romeo from Walsh, Kallucy and Catherine Bond and private consultant to discuss the application of Greenland Park. Friday, October 11th, my staff spoke with Amanda Williams from Koolie LLP to discuss the Vantage Data Center's three site. On Friday, October 11th, I spoke with Denise Herover from Van Meter to discuss the application for Orm Farm. On Tuesday, October 16th, I met with Dana Adams, Steve Connor, Philip McCulley, John Stevenson, and Caitlin Monhand from Vanage and Amanda Williams from Cullio P to discuss the Vanage Data Center 3 site. I have no other comments. Thank you. Thank you very much. Ms. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. By the way, by the way of disclosures on October 4th, I met with milestone towers on the trailside Park Cel Tower application. On October 11th, I had a meeting with a representative from the Orm Farm Resoning application. I think I may have mentioned but I did go out to the Waterford Fair a couple Fridays ago and got the chance to drive a Wheatland Road and also got the chance to go along with Donnie Walker and see all of his tree houses that he has built on his own, literally built them. It was pretty amazing. I also went to visit the Eastern Loudon Homeless Services drop-in center and really had a great conversation with the staff there and Ina Fernandez, the head of our family services. And the center's beautiful. It's already getting a good amount of use. It's over there on Rich Top Circle. And folks come in and use the showers. They use the computer for communicating and job searching. And they use the space to escape from heat and cold. There's a kitchen there if they want to cook something. So I'm really glad that we have this setup on Rich Top Circle and would encourage my colleagues to go visit. We also went to the Douglas High School Legacy event, which I'm extremely proud of how this board handled that. I'll call it a reconciliation for the forced sale of that property. Appreciate Chair Randall making that motion to make sure that we worked on that. And as Chair Randall always says, we don't always get to see the results of the work that we do. Often it's the next board or the next board, but I really, really felt proud when we were there. Because the legacy day is something that came out of a community and a committee effort to really ask the community what they wanted for the wrongs that were done in the past. So that was really great. I also invite my colleagues if they haven't been to go visit the Douglas School and see all of the associations and groups that are housed there now. By way, the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 13,465 total gun deaths. It's about 600 more since we last met. And 420 mass shootings, the deaths include 190 children, age under 11, and 918 teens, age 12 to 17. I say these numbers every meeting, and partly because I don't want us to grow numb to them, but I also don't want us to feel helpless, because I think that we can be creative and continue to be creative about ways to stop gun violence, especially the gun violence that is killing our children. And if you didn't see, I'm happy to report that the school board unanimously passed an initiative last week to update the student rights and responsibilities for families' handbook with information about safe storage of firearms and include a notification to parents and guardians in the annual registration materials that explains the importance of safe storage and the legal obligation to protect minors, especially those at 14 and under from accessing loaded, unsecured firearms. And it is required that the family sign acknowledgement that they receive this information and that they are aware of the state law. And I'm particularly proud of this because it was the Algonquin School Board member who championed this effort. And it was a unanimous vote. The U.S. Secret Service Analysis shows, after nearly 40 years of school gun violence, that 76% of school shooters' guns come from the home of a parent or close relative. Nearly 80% of gun suicides of people under the age of 18 involve a gun that belongs to a family member according to a study published by preventative medicine. A 2023 study by the American Academy of Pediatrics found that guns are the leading cause of death for American children and teenagers with rates of firearm fatalities among juvenile surging by 87% from 2011 to 2021. I appreciate the school board for passing this measure. I appreciate them thinking about student safety. And I want us to continue to be creative as a county to figure out more ways to keep our community safe from gun violence. Thank you Madam Chair. Ms. Brooksman, never stop giving those numbers. Untinned for my staff, Met with Representatives from Kool-Aid on Trail site park. Untinned nine, my staff, represented us from Tobothers, Curata on Stone Hill. And Untinned 11, representatives from Ben, my staff met with representatives from Ben, meter on the Orm Farm and Resoning. A few things I want to congratulate LCPS. LCPS has the second highest graduation rate in Virginia. The first largest for a county their size. The only school system that was higher than theirs was Paul's church who has a fairly small number of students. And so for all practical purposes we are sitting at the highest rate. It is absolutely phenomenal what that rate is especially given what they were forced to go through over the past few years and so even with that they have focused on education, educating and graduating children. And I think that's amazing. So I want to congratulate them. Miss, Mr. Crony, Louis Buddy Carter was actually a very good man who why we celebrated at the state of the county some years ago. And I remember being so funny because where I said, pictures for people to stay at the state of the county some years ago. And I remember being so funny because where I said pictures for people would stay at the county, would take his picture three times to get the right picture that we wanted to get for him and his family came. And it was a great night. He was a great, great man who did so much for the county. I also attended the services today, the repass services for Pat Fisher, who was amongst other things, Pat Fisher played for the then Washington Redskins. And if you look, he has been voted one of the 70 best, they were at that time, the Redskins, ever. He is a very, very interesting mountain. His time as a football player was absolutely incredible. He was an incredible player, but this time after was also really incredible. All the things he did in Loudoun County are the nonprofits. And so his family honored me and invited me to take part today in his services and repass. And I was so, you know, I walked into a room and it was like all the old football crates that we see and that we've seen on our televisions were there and so it was so humbling to be there and so I did want to, I did want to absolutely say his name. Valley, I do want to say that also that I was really honored and I had not told my family this before because I really ought to say that also that I was really honored. And I had not told my family this before, but I was really honored to be one of the 50 most influential people in Northern Virginia. I had not told my family before, which is why I didn't want to. Yeah. Yeah, thank you though. It was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a really fantastic night. I was joined by Stephanie Badawski. I was joined by Eric Spins, Buddy Ryzer, Beth Erickson, so loud and really did represent very well. I will say it was a wonderful night, not because I actually think I'm one of the 50 most influential people in Northern Virginia. I certainly don't think that. In fact, I think probably the most influential people in Northern Virginia. I certainly don't think that. In fact, I think probably the most influential people in Northern Virginia are names we probably don't even hear a lot. They are firefighters, they are teachers. They are people who just work every day just to be nice, good, kind people. They are people of faith. So I think the people who are known probably are not really the most influential. We happen to be called that, but I don't think anyone believes that's really true. But I don't because that's, you know, but I will say that it does remind me that I still get to wake up every day and go, I could be chair of a loud and county again today. And that just never goes away. It never goes away. It's kind of the, it's almost like this magic moment when I wake up and I'm like, I can be sure of the county again today. It's a wonderful feeling. And so although, you know, Influential is kind of who's known and not really who it is, it was a great honor. But mostly because it's such a great honor for me to represent what I do believe is the most marvelous county in the country. So I appreciate that and I appreciate being nominated and gosh knows I appreciate serving in this position. So thank you. Okay. We are going to go back into closed session, but I need to break first. A quick break. Point of make sure. Our deadline of 12 o'clock. 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I move that the Board of Supervisors resets this public meeting and enter into closed session pursuant to section 2.3, 3.711, a three of the code of Virginia to consider acquisition of parcels of property for public use in the Leesburg election district. What district are we in? Is this the Leesburg district? I thought this was good talk. Is it Leesburg? That's where it was Leesburg. That you can go home, okay? It's the DTS facility. I think it's the I just want to make sure I just want to make sure because we're going to close session that's all I just want to make sure the motions correct All right cool fine Did you want to second that? Sure all right I guess you should have said no,, no, okay, never mind, sorry about that. Discussion? All in, people say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 702, Ms. Bricksman and Ms. Glass have left the day and will not, are not reading in the closed sessions for the record. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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Second. Any discussion on that motion? All the nippings to say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That number will pass 702 with Mr. Brickson and Miss Glass haven't left the day is for everyone please affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Aff affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. Affirm. And I affirm as well. I believe that is all the business for this evening. We are adjourned.