Thank you mayor. We are recording. Welcome everybody. Thank you for coming out to our council meeting. I'd like to call this meeting to order this Monday May 19th 2025 at 7.15 PM Thank you at this time alcohol roll. We have councilmember Tunky here councilmember Skinner here councilmember Erimelli Resident councilmember Kaufflin present councilmember D. Biasi. Here. Councilmember Elwood. Here. Thank you, Mayor. We have a quorum this evening. Fantastic. Next item. At this time, I would like to call a representative from one John's Creek Coalition to lead us in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Marks. I'm going to be a little coy tonight. I have got some really, really great news to share with you, but I can't share with you today. So I would really encourage you to pay attention to our social media and our website in the next day or two. And I think when you see it, you'll recognize it. But in the meantime, just know that there are a lot of great things happening in our city. If you want to find out more information about upcoming events or different aspects of the city government and amenities, invite you to go to our website, johnskreetga.gov. And I'm going to leave it there because I know a lot of you want to hear some other stuff. So next item. Thank you. Next item is an action item. Consideration to approve the April 28th, 2025 work session summary and council meeting minutes. Mr. Mayor, I've got a motion to approve the minutes as presented. All right, thank you councilmember D. Biasi, is there a second? Second. Thank you councilmember Erimelli for the second, is there a discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? All right, excited. Thank you. Next item is the approval of the meeting agenda. I know of no changes necessarily. Is there a motion? I move we approve the meeting agenda as presented. Good, sir. Thank you, Councillor McCall. Is there a second? Second. Thank you, Mayor Prodtem. Is there a discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor. Next item is the consent agenda. I'll read a few items into the record. We have an action item consideration to approve the project for a work agreement contract with the Georgia Department of Transportation for old Alabama bridge replacements. We have an ordinance 2025-0514 consideration of an ordinance to amend the budget for the old Alabama bridge replacements. And we have an action item, consideration to approve a contract with the Georgia Department of Transportation for the acquisition of right of way at Medlot Bridge Road and McGuinness Ferry Road for intersection improvements. Okay. Thank you. That's our consent agenda, any motions? Mayor, I would like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. Okay, thank you Mayor Pro Temtunke. Second. And Councillor Marquellan for the second. Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? Thank you. This evening we have nothing under presentations, which leaves us the public comment. And I do have quite a few cards. First card is Peter Hildebrand. Before you get started, if you are here about the zoning case, and you wish to speak, you can speak as part of the public hearing and your words will be part of the public record for that application case. So you don't necessarily have to do it as a part of this. Go ahead. Mayor Bradbury and the City Council members, I think you probably all know me, but I am the president of the Johns Creek Symphony Orchestra and thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I want to give you some good news. We have good news because we brought Henry Chang on as the conductor of the John Screex Symphony Orchestra and we announced that just today and if you've been following what's been going on this year you know that he is an internationally acclaimed conductor who has orchestras on three continents and he will be the new music director to build on the work that Maestro Wayne Bauman did to build the John Scree Symphony Orchestra. And it's a real coup that we are able to get somebody such a world class conductor here. He has decided to make John Screeke his. And he's moving his entire family here from Korea this year to make John's Creek his home. And let me tell you what Henry said to the board after I offered him the position. He says, my commitment to this role is not just professional, it's personal. My family and I look forward to becoming part of the cultural and civic life of John's Creek, not just as participants, but as neighbors. I believe that orchestras grow and they serve. In that spirit, I see the J.C.S.O. becoming a leader, artistically, educationally, and civically, through powerful storytelling, accessible programming, youth engagement, and bold partnerships. Together we can raise both the artistic and financial standing of this orchestra into something nationally recognized and locally cherished. I'm stepping into this role with a full heart and a clear vision. What we're building together is something that can truly matter to John's Creek and to the people who call it home. Now, Henry sees the potential in John's Creek, and part of what enticed him to come here was that we are talking about building a performing arts center. While serving as the assistant conductor and the administrator for the Bochem Symphony in Germany, he led the city's work to build a performing arts center. Just, and it through, they built it, it is a beautiful building, I encourage you to look at it. Henry is currently also serving on a task force where he lives in Seoul, Korea for a task force under the Metropolitan City Council to build a performing arts center there. He has that experience and passion to bring John's Creek forward in the same way, and he would very much like to do that for a community. The John's Creek Symphony Orchestra, as you probably know, has been going through a great growth phase. We have quadrupled our budget in the last four years, and that tells us a lot about the support of the local community that we have here. Through generous individual and corporate donors, they're all right here in this community. And we intend to continue, we're not stopping. Our plan is to meet the performing arts center when it's completed as a premier orchestra in the southeast. And to do that, we're investing in this community by bringing in people like Henry Chang. Because frankly, at this growth rate, we are going to need, excuse me, I'm so sorry. Thank you so much. Peter, thank you. And can we all just congratulate the symphony and welcome Henry Chang? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Kobe and Kiara from One John's Creek. Thank you. Next we have Kobe and Kyara from One John's Creek. Good evening, Mayor Bradbury and members of the City Council. My name is Kobe Trenushan and I'm a rising senior at Chattanoche High School. It's truly an honor to stand before you all tonight and share my journey as a volunteer with the One John's Creek Coalition. For those unfamiliar with our work, One John's Creek is more than a community coalition. We are a movement with a mission of fostering a safe, jug-free environment where young people can thrive, make healthy choices, and realize their full potential. What makes our approach unique and effective is collaboration. We bring to other schools, parents, healthcare providers, law enforcement, faith communities, local businesses, and most importantly, youth voices that together develop prevention strategies that are both evidence-based and community-driven. At the core of our work, OJC aims to reduce youth access to harmful substances, educate about the dangers of misuse, and provide healthy alternatives and critical support to families by substance use disorders. But what truly sets us apart is our belief in youth leadership. At One Johns Creek, youth aren't just participants, we're change makers. Since September, our coalition has grown by over 50 members and our internship program expanded from 19 to 24 student leaders for the upcoming year. That's 24 young people committed to making Johns Creek safer and healthier. Let me give you a glimpse of what that looks like in action. This year our high school teaching middle school team recruited 21 passionate high school volunteers, including myself, to help deliver 18 impactful educational sessions at web bridge, Haynes Bridge, and Taylor Road middle schools. These sessions focus on vaping, alcohol, and medication safety, totaling 91 hours of direct peer-to-peer prevention education that have the potential to save lives. I've also had the privilege of volunteering with our medication safety team. It may sound ambitious. 13 students logging 392 service hours, distributing over 1,000 medication disposal kits and locking pill bottles, handing out 400 Narcan kits during trainings to those who requested them, and helping safely dispose of more than 750 pounds of unused prescription medications, all while partnering with organizations at SharaVision. But this isn't a hypothetical. One John's Creek has done it. We've also expanded our reach digitally as our social media team boosted Instagram engagement by 117 percent and gained 62 new followers, bringing our prevention message directly to youth where they are. Our work isn't just important, it's essential. Every session we lead, disposal kit we distribute, and conversation we start has the power to transform lives. We're not just improving statistics, we're protecting academic futures, supporting mental health, and in very real terms, saving lives in our community. As we look ahead, we see even more potential to expand our reach. With your continued support, one John's Creek can grow our efforts and create an even safer, healthier community for all. Thank you for your time tonight and for your unwavering commitment to the well-being of John's Creek residents, and we are happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you. Thank you. Next card is Ms. Pastorillo. Good evening. Thank you, Mayor and the steam council. I want to thank City Manager Greer and her excellent team that run with all the council's individual and group request to provide feedback, hopefully, to our performing arts center. I don't think many people in this room have attended any of the work sessions that happened before council. And the questions that come back to City Manager Greer and her team that she does for y'all, I know are just so incredibly, greatly appreciated so that y'all can make the decisions that you do. So I just wanted to give her team a huge shout out. I ask that the council approve the referendum to put the performing arts building on the ballot for the residents of John's Creek. It is not the role of council to make the decision for the residents. It's your job to discuss if and how the city and its residents would pay for the performing arts center. If you will allow it to go on the referendum, then the road show will begin. The homeowners will have the chance to get educated and then make their decision at the ballot box. Lastly, I encourage every resident watching online or sitting here in the room to listen to the work session that was this evening that is recorded and to specifically listen to the hour from five to six p at six 15. And hear how each council member has responded to the proposal. Also Mayor Bradbury gave a quick overview of our current financial position and tied it back to prior years and the positive position that we are in today. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Next. that we are in today. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Next I have Orrin Wayne. Good evening. Honourable Mayor John Bradley, distinguished council member of the fellow citizens of Johnson Creek. My name is Orren Wang. I'm standing here, not in opposition to the performing arts center, but to express my grave concern about this performing center. I don't be surprised that I know a little bit about municipal finance. I am a little bit about municipal finance. I am a, I got a master's degree in accounting, CPA. Ten years ago, I was a senior financial manager at Atlanta International Airport. The last job I left was the senior director of accounting and budgeting at City College of San Francisco in California. I know the municipalities, those elected officials over there, how their school, their local finances. But yesterday, I went on our website, I looked at our comprehensive annual comprehensive financial report. And our government found the general fund, the capital funds. They have a very healthy surplus. And the founding balance is at admirable level. So I want to thank you all for prudent managing our public resources. Let's get back to the performing arts center. I heard and read that the estimated for a project is $70 million plus $55 million for the purchasing of the land. As I mentioned earlier, our governmental funds, the general funds, the capital funds have healthy and admirable ending balance. But those are government funds. You knew better than I do. You knew better than I do. Government funds are for police, rescue, for keeping the lights here. You cannot use the government fund for business activities. So in order to build this performing arts, we have to issue bond. We have to issue bond unless you get a private investor. if you issue $71 million bonds, the prevailing interest rate is about 7%. We are talking about annual interest expense of 6 million. Operating that facility, you're going to pay the salary, you're going to pay the maintenance, you're going to pay the utility that could run up to $2 million. So we are talking about six, seven to $8 million operating expense. In order for that performing out center to be profitable, you have to generate $8 million in annual revenue. Otherwise, you will not have the money to pay the bond in the expenses and you have to subsidize the operation of that performance center. Thank you, sir you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank my master's degree from Georgia Tech. My roots are deep in this city. Some of my earliest memories are birthday parties and afternoons on the swings at OC Park. This is my home, and I want to build my future here. But tonight, I am not just speaking as a graduate or a resident. I am speaking as someone whose life has been shaped by the arts. I begin playing the piano at the the age of four My father is at concert pianist who traveled the world performing while my mother founded the Shupin Society of Atlanta 25 years ago to bring world-renowned pianists to Metro Atlanta. Music was the heartbeat of our household. Every discussion, every book, every room, and our home was filled with it. It gave me confidence and a deep belief in the power of the arts to connect us, not just as performers, but as a community. That is why the project of creating a performing arts center in John's Creek matters to me deeply. My father twice performed a panel concerto with the John's Creek Symphony Orchestra at a local high school auditorium. That venue, while very heartfelt, did not reflect the caliber of artistry or the aspirations of our community. Similarly, the Shopeon Society of Atlanta, which continues to invite world-class performers celebrated its 25th anniversary at Spivey Hall this year. An incredible space, but an hour away from our city limits. That celebration couldn't be held in John's Creek itself. But what if the 30th anniversary could be? What if in five years we could celebrate in a beautiful performing arts center, but right here in our city, a space that honors the creativity, the culture, and the talent that have taken root in this community? This is about more than a building. It is about creating opportunity and about leaving behind a legacy that supports our next generation. My parents founded Music 21 Conservatory 15 years ago right here in John's Creek. Today it teaches nearly 400 students. These students have been invited to perform in Carnegie Hall in New York, at the Woodruff Art Center in Atlanta, in Vienna and in Paris. But they haven't been able to perform here in their own hometown. There is no venue that allows them to showcase their hard work and talent to their own friends, their own neighbors, and their family right here in John's Creek. These young artists deserve a stage of their own. Imagine giving our students and our community a place to collaborate, where culture can flourish and where our own neighbors can come together to experience the arts, without having to drive to other cities. A place where the legacy of John's Creek is not only remembered, but actively written by its own young residents. As someone who grew up surrounded by the arts, I have learned firsthand that the arts are not just about performance. They're about discipline, collaboration, and vision. They bring people from all backgrounds together by exposing people of different cultures, faiths, and languages. Through music, we all find a common ground. I may not have pursued a professional music career, but the values that the arts have taught me have shaped everything that I do. So I ask you to consider what it would mean to invest in this vision. Let all our next anniversaries be in a venue that reflects the talent and pride in heart of the city. Let us give our generation a chance to leave their legacy in John's Creek and allow them to remember that their future careers were supported by their hometown. Thank you. We're going to have decorum or if we can't, then we will have to make other arrangements. Let's let everyone say their public comment and be respectful. Next comment. Thank you. Next card I have is Alexander. Good evening. My hair,, Bradley, and distinguished representatives of John's Creek. My name is Alexander Schlamm, and along with my wife, Halina, we have been residents of John's Creek since 1998, previously residing in Norcross. We build a company that became worldwide, because we lived here, given opportunities. I'm here to speak on behalf of my family and the shopping society of Atlanta. John Screeke organization celebrating, as you heard, 25 years of educating young musicians while promoting Frederick Chopin's heart-thelling, filling, amazing creations. Since early 2000, our organization has been devoted to inspiring hundreds of children in understanding and appreciation of Chopin's legacy based on a mission of enriching their education and fostering appreciation for classical music. As a resident of Johns Creek, a prominent well-known city in USA, I know our committed citizens and families look forward to raising their children in a welcoming, peaceful, and fulfilling surroundings, why being presented with opportunities to enjoy and experience variety of activities, entertainment, such as comedy music, singing performances, theatrical stage events, celebrating lives and much more. For us parents to remain here, to bring back our children, post college, and have them raise their families here, we must offer mitigating opportunities for them to want to live in John's Creek for the long term. This is why I personally welcome and encourage our residents, our neighbors, and this distinguished city council to seriously consider supporting the development of our own performing arts. Here, next door, not taking our venue, our families, and our money elsewhere as we had to do for many, many years. Surely, I'm a business guy. I can understand city council's potential concerns, financial commitments, obligations, and the overall cost of running such a facility every year. Definitely not 70 million, whoever said, I understand finances well. Okay, and however I believe that once John's Creek Council provides public education on communities long-term benefits with transparency on what's required to design, construct and run such a facility, and yes, yes, how it may affect each of us financially living here. But the benefits over time will weigh out to weigh the financial burden we all may endure in order to enhance and enjoy experience, inspiring, fulfilling life here, perhaps along with our children living here as well. Thank you. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Next, Hacarta, I have is Malik. What's the first? Malik. Start with A. A and yes. Sorry. Before I start, can I pass the paper to each of you? Yeah. Good evening, councilmembers and Mayor John Screek. My name is Adam and I'm a student of River Trail Middle School. I would like to draw attention to the image of the roundabout I provided. This is a roundabout located in Paris, France, and when I think of a roundabout, this is the type that comes to mind. A large, multi-lane intersection with multiple exits to handle high volumes of traffic efficiently. While studies show that roundabouts can reduce traffic accidents, the effectiveness largely depends on their design. Unfortunately, the roundabout of Collie Creek Park has become an example to what some refer as to a hailed roundabout. There are several issues with its current design. First, it lacks proper structure and layout for smooth traffic flow. Second, it does not provide adequate clearance for larger vehicles which poses a safety concern. Looking ahead to the upcoming addition of Maker Space and Colleague Creek Park Phase 2 is exciting. However, it's concerning that this project has been approved without air conditioning. This raises serious questions about the long-term usability, comfort, and safety of the space. Especially during Georgia's hot summers. As a community, we should strive for thoughtful, functional, and safe development in our public spaces. I urge you to reconsider some of the, I urge you to reconsider some of these decisions and take steps to ensure that our infrastructure supports of the needs of everyone. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Next. of the needs of everyone. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Next card I have is Azure D1. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make a short comment on the Performing Arts Center tonight. First of all, I would like to thank all of you for your great work on the study of building this facility. I attended the work session on April 14th in regards to this project. And then I send an email a couple of days ago, express my opinion that if the project is funded through privately funded investment through public bidding, I would be all for it. This would be a great solution to remove future tax burdens from our residents. In addition to that, I have done more researches on the similar facilities in the country. So here's our sum of the point. We have to take into serious consideration when we are thinking about how to go forward. According to the National Seerature Communications Group, about 75% of the small and median seerters or performing our center are 501C3, non-profit Only 22, 30% of the middle and small performing arts center can balance their income and expenses. In most of the, the theater that can make a profit is on big metropolitan area. And a lot of those are like hotspot for travel. So here are some of the considerations if we want to, how are we going to fund it and the factors that we need to consider. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next card I have is Jonathan. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council. My name is Jonathan Zoll and I am here to to voice my opposition to the performance, the proposed performance on center project. The financial reality of this proposal is deeply troubling. The project cost of $60 to $70 million funded through a mix of, The city funds are $12 million long and a $28 million funded through a mix of retail-active city funds, $12 million long, and a $28 million bond referendum. Which will eventually result in 5% property tax hike. That pays places an unnecessary burden on taxpayers. This heavy dependence on public funding is unsustainable and risky. Number two, with a population of under 82,000, general's creek is simply not large enough to spoil a permanent performance center of this scale. The long-term operating costs, uncertainty, uncertain utilization rates, and ongoing maintenance obligation could quickly become a fiscal liability rather than a cultural asset. And the lead directing about approximately $90 million in city funds from infrastructure, capital improvement, and maintenance is a clear misalignment of priorities. Proceeding with the PAC, PIC will mean delaying or underfunding essential city services in favor of a high risk, high cost endeavor that lacks guaranteed community demand or financial support. Therefore, I strongly urge the City Council to reconsider this project and focus on investments that reflected the true size, needs, and the priority of our city. Thank you. Thank you. Frank. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Here I want to talk about the performing arts center. Well, I'm not neither in support or against it yet. I haven't made my decision yet. But I asked my wife before I came this evening. My question is, do you support a $70 million investment on this performing arts center? She said, no, no way. So I asked her in a different way. I said, if somebody wants you to donate $136 a year for the next 30 years, we do support it. We do donate the money. Oh, 136? No problem. So my question to city councilman here is, what is your estimation of the incremental tax average citizen each household. That's a for every hundred dollar we pay today if we have the performing arts center is going to be a hundred five dollar is going to be a hundred ten dollar what is do we have a number so what's the number. So we have a chart and Madam City manager could we get him the chart and no I just want to single number percentage It depends on the size of the bond it depends on the time frame So if you don't believe me. I'm not trying to keep anything But so we will make sure there will be a long, long time for all these numbers to get published. And let me quickly finish my back of envelope estimation because the experts especially sometimes are difficult for people like me or my wife to understand. So just say, have $70 million as a 30-year mortgage and by the end of 30 years the residual value of this perfume center is zero. Okay? So we have an interest payment about $5 million a year. We have maintenance about $2 million a year, annual total cost is about seven million. And then we have weekly cost about 130,000, and we have weekly cost per seat is about $165. And let's see, we can sell two tickets at $35 a week. So we covered $70 of the cost and leave $95. $95 equal about $4 million uncovered by the revenue. And that amount to $136 a year on average citizen. Let's say it's $80 million a year city budget with a $4 million increase is 5%. So I assume my tax will be raised by 5% $136. So my wife can support will be against the 70 million dollar, we will be okay with $136. And, okay. And, Frank, I'll just say this, and I'm probably viling some rule by, we're not specifying conversation, but we've got charts that depending on which variables, which numbers get get plugged in you're looking at anywhere from $65 to about $125 and it just it just depends and we're not quite settled on that particular thing and I will say that the city Jones creep being triple a Bond rated that I would my understanding is is that we would be looking at interest rate somewhere in the low fours. But again, more of this will get officially released before it's all over. All right, next comment. Thank you. Next we have Judy. I have a hand out of me. I have a hand over to you. And Jake, are we doing on our overall time? This will be the last one. Can you explain that to the group? I can. So the first public comment period has a total of 30 minutes and then the second public comment period towards the latter part of the agenda is unlimited at 3 minutes per speaker. Jake, if I may ask how many more cards do you have? For public comment and quite a few for those. Mayor, could I make a motion that we extend public comment period by 15 extra minutes? Okay. Second. Thank you for the motion. Council member Elwood and thank you Council member D.V. Osce for the second. discussion on the motion. Council member Elwood and thank you. Council member D.V. Osce for the second. Is there a discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favour? All right. Go ahead. Dear Mayor and the member of City Council, my name is Judy Xu. I'm a resident of a John's Creek since since year 1999. So I'm here to raise my deep concern and the opposition for the Johns Creek Performance Arts Center. So, oh yeah, can everybody hear me? Okay, yeah, so here is, I got the information is the project the cost of our center is totally 60 to 70 million dollars and the current plan I hope this number is correct is the city where you have redirect funds of 19 million dollars and then 12 million dollars of loan and proposed $28 million of bound referendum. Okay, now I have a few questions focused on the following area. So you can see, first is on the $19 of city fund resources. Here is, I want to mention is, from what I learned is the city operation normally has two group of funds. One is the government of funds. Another is enterprise funds. The government of funds normally pay for the, the very basic of the city operation like police, fire station and the infrastructure expense. It keeps our lives going on for city. And the government found important point is should not be used for any of the program for profit per post. Okay. And then the enterprise fund on the other hand, yeah, it can be used for paying water, sewer, and then all of the accumulated funds can be maybe paid for the business like activities. So when we see this, now the PAC, the performance center should be, theoretically should be funded by the enterprise fund, is that right? So I hope my words does not have flaw. Now I got this number, $19 million of funds resources. First is $1.2 million of the $19 million where come from rainy day funds. My question for each of the funds on the second page, please look at it very clear. My question for each fund, which group does each fund belong to? Such as, okay, the third item anticipated CIP. That's the money to be received for fiscal year 2025. The money amount is 6.6 million. And there is another one, the nice item. The 2027 anticipated CIP. So two CIPs each 3.6 million. So my question is which group should the fund be loan? If they belong to the government or fund, and if we need to use them, we need to. If you will go and talk to one of our staff members, and they can continue the conversation with you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your attention. Thank you. Next card I have is Sarushi. Hello mayor and city council members. My name is Sarushi and I'm a proud resident of John's Creek for over a decade. I'm here today to express my wholehearted support for the proposed performing arts center. Art is universal. It transcends language, our age, and background. A performing arts center in John's Creek would provide a dedicated home for music, theater, dance, and illustration. It would give artists a place to gather, create, and share their gifts with their community, with people like you and me. I speak from personal experience. I played the violin for 10 years, studying under wonderful conductors at River Trail Middle School and Northview High School. I took lessons at a local music academy that helped me grow as a performer. I learned from talented artists at the local John's Creek Arts Center, an institution that shaped hundreds of lives, including mine. If this performing arts center existed when I was a child, I would have spent hours in multi-purpose rooms and in art classrooms. And I know I wouldn't have been alone. Students from our schools who are part of nationally ranked orchestras, choirs, and theaters would all benefit from the performance hall intended to be built. And families like mine would have a reason to stay, engage, and invest more deeply in the city. I understand financing is a major part of this conversation, but I urge you to see the bond referendum not as a cost but as an investment. One that asks relatively little from our residents while promising lasting returns. A $28 million bond would raise homeowners taxes by only about 0.3 mills, keeping John's Creek Great the lowest among all Northam County cities. And one of George's wealthiest cities with one of the highest median household incomes, this is both a reasonable ask and a future oriented investment in the city. By approving this bond, you aren't just funding a building. You are sending a message that the City Council values the arts, values community, and believes in creating spaces where culture and connection can flourish. You're creating a legacy that will attract new residents, support local talent, and shape the identity for our city for generations. Art can happen anywhere, it is universal. But for it to thrive in needs of home, I urge you all to give it one. And while we build thoughtfully for the future, I hope we also preserve what makes our past so special. I urge the council to consider the long-term implications of rezoning and reforms, and to protect the rural and environmental character of Shakerag, an equally vital part of our city's identity. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next card I have is Marilyn Margolis. Mr. Mayor, Honorable Council. I want to first thank you for all the work you've done on this project. Lots of different opinions, lots of different moving parts, but I'm here to talk about why I support the Council to say yes to this project. I'm retired, as most of you know, as the CEO from Henry John's Creek Hospital. I've been supporting a strong support of the city since 2011. I joined the symphony in 2015 and now work as the vice president and fundraising chair. I've been actively associated with the growth of the symphony. As Peter has said, the symphony has grown in volume, maturity, and audience support. Of course, we've had an increase in our budget and we've managed that through successful fundraising, ticket sales, and aggressive marketing. This has been done with an engaged president, executive director board, and our community. We've increased our fundraising amounts each year and our efforts have produced quadrupled donations over the last four years. These donors and others that are active in the city are very interested in supporting the PAC. They are interested in naming rights, operational costs, and yearly giving to support having the orchestra perform in such a hall. We also want to produce a hall where the visual arts can be part of the community's cultural center. The City of Johns Creek will benefit from this pack, not just as a place to hear music, but as a place to celebrate the offerings that will come to Johns Creek and keep people in the city and visiting the city. It will be a place to gather and enjoy the city on a different level. The building will be a celebration about where we live. It fits into our current model that includes parks, Medlock, Healthcare, and Technology. Each of our three finalist, mysterisk, commented on the benefits of having the pack while working with the symphony and during their interactions with the audience. I'll finish with my favorite quote from Henry Chang, our new world-renowned conductor and business person. The pack for me is personal and professional. I'm thankful for the opportunity to contribute my time, energy, and presence because the center is essential. There are always views as too expensive or too expensive by some. The end product is also greater than expectations. This place will be a collective of memories for our kids, adults, and community. It's all part of the journey to showcase this wonderful symphony in the city of Johns Creek. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Next quarter, I have a shafeeck. Good evening mayor, council. First and foremost, I want to say thank you to our city manager Kimberly for putting together a very comprehensive memo for our work session Right as to how this performing arts center going to Be financially viable many of you asked you know operating a particular location like that takes efforts takes money and all that I think the staff made it very clear what it will take. More importantly, you heard from Peter, you heard from Marilyn, Henry Chang coming from Korea, South Korea, to John Screek, is not a joke. And the only reason why he's willing and passionate about coming to John's Creek, because he values what John's Creek has to offer today, and he sees what the future can be. I'm a board member of the John's Creek Symphony, and personally, I'm thrilled that we have the brand to recognize and attract people around the world to our city. Now, when you think about this performing arts center, in our future, it's not the people sitting at this particular table. The future belongs to those who spoke. One John's Creek, we had someone make comments about the roundabout, someone make comments about the places that they want to gather. That's the future. So just keep one thing in mind. Whatever we do as leaders is not just for the citizens of today. It's what the citizens of tomorrow will want. Why they would want to come to John's Creek. The fact that the conversation is also about not just a performing arts center, but a comprehensive venue that would allow common activities to happen. Our city needs a venue to call home for the community. The fact that this location can host a lot of events, meetings, activities, just beyond the arts and culture and all that is going to be a positive addition for our city. More importantly, the decision that you have is very simple. You want to know if the citizens of Johns Creek want want this project to be done? It's a very simple pathway. Put it in front of them, let them decide what they want to do. Yes, there will be pros and cons of every decisions in life. But you have a responsibility to bring it to their attention, let them make the decision. Last thing I'll say to you, and this isn't the memo that our city manager wrote. Considering the city's annual investment and other recreation and parks and manatees that contribute to the quality of life in John Scree, it is a policy choice and judgment call for the council to make as to whether the investment in the performing arts center would be appropriate. So make it appropriate. Next card I have is for Cindy. Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council and our distinguished staff. Thanks for your work thus far in exploring the feasibility of the Performing Arts Center in Johns Creek. I'd like to go on record by saying that I would like this to happen. I'd like you all to be able to find a way to work it out. However, I feel like we need to balance something like this which a lot of residents will feel is they want and not a need. The need in my area of Johns Creek, which is over in Newtown Park, happens to be the Nesbid Ferry Road sidewalks and improvements that we've been talking about for 39 years since I've been living in my home. This highly used role road has not had any major improvements except the light thankfully that you guys put in on Brum below road. We can't even walk to school a half a mile away from our neighborhood because it's just too dangerous to walk long nesbit ferry. I know it's complicated because it's a roswell issue as well, but that's one of the needs that we have in our community that kind of competes with this performing arts center. I know the arts community is very much in favor of moving forward with this project and I really do appreciate their passion. I believe with their expertise and enthusiasm, they can and should be partners with the city in bringing this to a reality. By committing a large piece of the funding for this project, I think most residents would look upon the tax burden that we will have for this much more favorably. I believe that at least a third of the cost should be provided by the private sector, which at this time would be around $20 million. When I helped to start the Johns Creek Community Garden back in 2009, the city contributed the land and the water, and we were asked to go out and get the funding for all of the soil, the plants, and the fencing. So like that kind of project, I think we can do it with our private funding for the Performing Arts Center. I also think that there's a lot of unanswered questions even coming to the work session tonight, which was very interesting. And I know you can't answer the questions, but the ones that I have are, does the 60 million that's projected also include the cost of the land and is that land committed to this project but just not funded I haven't really got a complete answer on that. It doesn't appear that the current plan includes space to house the Johns Creek Arts Center. And to me, that seems like it's a no-brainer since there's such a key organization in the arts here in Johns Creek. And they could potentially be renters as well. I think we need to continue to survey the community groups to make sure that the utilization numbers that we've come up with and the rental structure is reasonable for these nonprofits. Have there been any discussion with Mark Toro to incorporate restaurants and maybe a hotel into this planning that could help offset the cost? Your time has expired. Am I finished? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes the additional 15. Okay. I think that fulfilled the request for the additional time and so that's all the cards. So, I mean, we've already gone beyond our normal time. We've made exceptions unless there's another motion then we're going to move on. And with that next item. Okay. Next item on the agenda is reports. We have the manager's monthly report for April with city manager, Greer. Good evening, Mayor and council. I will take just a few minutes with such a packed house, but there are a lot of awesome things that happened in April, and I want to take the opportunity to highlight your progress on your five strategic priorities. Arts and culture, public safety, economic development, recreation and parks and transportation and connectivity. In the realm of arts and culture, in April, we installed a trio of new public arts cultures, the life side stainless steel silhouettes of dogs, so aptly named JC Paws, are now located on the walking path at Newtown Park. The artwork was sponsored by John's Creek beautification and recommended by the Arts Culture and Entertainment Committee, so excited to see that project come to fruition in April. Advancing the strategic priority of public safety, I'll highlight two quick partnership events. The police department partnered with one John's Creek for the National Prescription Drug Take-Back Day and collected over 305 pounds of drugs. The Fire Department also had a great partnership event with Emery Johns Creek Hospital hosted a CPR Saturday with over 150 participants. April was also a great month for economic development. We cut a ribbon for Mizuno State of the Art Innovative Research and Performance Center, the Foundry, which opened at the Standard Club. And we also announced that the International Life Sciences and BioFarma firm, Bo Ringer Ingolheim, is moving their United States Animal Health headquarters to Medley, bringing you with it hundreds of jobs, furthering health wellness and innovation in Johns Creek. Advancing the priority of recreation in parks, April included both pop-up visits by the East Arunniate City Parks as well as a really successful Earth Day event at Otrimel. April also included significant construction progress at the Boardwalk at Town Center, that park behind City Hall. If you want to see the latest we posted a drone video to Facebook just on Friday with the flight through the walking path. Speaking of significant construction projects, April advanced several transportation and connectivity projects to for Jones Bridge between Waters and State. April Mint Assault. We began the month with some full-death reclamation and by the last week in April we had started the final topping that continues this month in May. We also advanced our trail projects, Bice Road, Rogers Bridge Road and Bell Road, all of which are on schedule to wrap up this summer. So all in all, April is a great month for Johns Creek. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Any questions? Yes. Okay. Jones Bridge. Yes. When is it the tentative date of completion? Summer. Summer, but. Summer. This summer. Any month? See if you're going to pin me down in public. I'm going to tell you the end of the summer. Okay. One of the things which people came up to me was, I think I mentioned it to you in one on one. Can you please recheck the battle's position of the battles that people are hitting them? Absolutely. I believe our project managers in the back of the room and we can definitely recheck the burial position on Jones Bridge. One of the hardest parts of an active construction site, especially in the asphalt phase, is we have to move all the barrels on a regular basis, but we can certainly do a check if you think some of them are out of place. So the point why they're getting it is they're damaging their vehicles. It's not the drum or the cone, which is there. So I would like a little more attention paid to that. I heard loud and clear. Anybody else? I can't believe I to say thank you for the drone footage. if anyone here has not seen it, go to the John's Creek, either Facebook page or the YouTube page, and watch the drone footage of the construction over here. I watched it like two o'clock in the morning, and I was like, watched it five or six times, the next morning I wake up and I'm having coffee and I was like, oh my gosh, look at this drone footage. So anyway, check it out. You'll get excited about the park. I don't know how to have a coffee in my house. It was like, oh my gosh, look at this drone footage. So anyway, check it out. You'll get excited about the park. Thank you. Do more of that, please. Fox five picked up on the story and ran something yesterday. Oh, very cool is it on our website or homepage oh let me look into whether or not it's on the homepage but okay are any other questions yeah quick follow up the drug take back to the very the community appreciates it how do you publicize it because 305 pounds is a significant going to come to community appreciates it. How do we publicize it? Because 305 pounds is a significant amount, I think. But given 82,000 people, 11 of us nursing homes. So we put it in our manager's month report. We highlighted it on social media, both on the police page, as well as the city's website and our social media channels. We also have some pretty good contacts who are assisted living and senior activity areas within the city where we publicized it, but can certainly check back with police on other ways. Can you also tell the court people thank you, they're clearing a lot of cases? Yes, we'll tell court. They're doing a great job on clearance rates. Thank you. Just a quick question. Not question, but if you could since there's so many people in the audience and so many people listening and a very complex subject of the pack today, could you share with the audience just a little bit about the boardwalk here, it's going and anticipated milestones and hurdles not to hold you to it, but I think it's incredibly exciting, especially with this drone footage that just came out I did Boardwalk the park behind City Hall has been a signature initiative for this council in particular. It's one that you guys helped us refine that concept plan for. For those in the audience that may be slightly less familiar, the biggest feature is a tie. Between a 15 foot wide multipurpose trail that's going to stretch from a pedestrian tunnel that's going to connect under 141 where the lane shift is currently on Medlock Bridge. Just roughly that direction from here. And that 15 foot wide trail is going to come up from what is now a southern pond that's been drained and is going to be reconstructed as a wetlands wonderland, so it's think old fourth ward walking through the trees and the landscape and vegetation. And then as you head north towards City Hall as the drone flight continued, you open up onto what will be a refilled north pond. It is drained right now because the Focus feature is going to be right behind City Hall. So right off our back deck is going to be an amphitheater that has a slight tilt to the roof, allowing you to play towards the back of City Hall in a tiered terrorist area that seats about 300 people for a more intimate show or play outward across the pond, allowing you to feature and reach 4,000 people boasted on those terrorist areas behind City Hall, terrorist areas across the way if you see it from the balcony upstairs or a deck that's directly across the pond as well. So when you look at that drone footage that's out on our website or on social media, you'll notice there will be seating area all around the north pond and then you keep going on that 15 foot wide trail and it connects north to East Johns crossing. Should you meander across East Johns crossing, we'll look into making a safer crossing there once we're done at the park. We've already completed that section of stream restoration and trail going from East Johns crossing all the way up to McGinnis Ferry. Now from this amazing park, we're already coordinating with Medlea C safe ways to connect from here to there. We've got plenty of sidewalks already, but we wanna make sure that that is the next phase to this. So the park, as excited as I am, obviously about the construction is on schedule. Maybe even slightly ahead. It is scheduled for a grand opening next summer, summer of 2026, but as you look at the construction and we do post photos pretty regularly, you'll note that there are farther along on the northern side where kind of started at East John's crossing and headed south. So they're doing a great job. It's quite possible that the northern pond might be ready towards the earlier side. But the full park remains on schedule for summer 2026. That is absolutely fantastic and I wouldn't ask you to repeat that though. That was phenomenal. That was incredible actually. And I just highlight the fact that we in Johns Creek, this council and the mayor, we've done everything in the last four years to give back to the community and to build John's Creek as best we possibly can. So that's just one example of what we've done. So thank you so much for that update. Absolutely. All right next item Thank you next item on the agenda is announcements and I do have a few this evening. The May 20th Board of Zoning Appeals meeting has been canceled. Recreation in parks and advisory committee will meet Wednesday, May 21st at 6.30 PM. City offices will be closed Monday, May 26th and observance of Memorial Day. Planning commission will meet Tuesday, June 3rd at 7pm. And we are back here on Monday, June 9th for a 5pm work session and 7pm council meeting. All right, fantastic. Are there any other announcements? All right, seeing none. Next time. This evening, there's nothing under old business, but there is items under new business. The first one is ordinance 2025-0515. It's a public hearing and consideration of an ordinance amending the city of John's Creek zoning map for RZ240010105050510555, and 10655, Embry Farm Road, agricultural district to community unit plan Unit Plan District, 200 lot single family detached residential subdivision at a density of 0.98 units per acre, and we have community development director's song for presentation. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Before I begin with the presentation, I do want to state that the applicant has submitted for deferral. The request is to defer this case to the August 25th, 2025 meeting. I wanted to present that item to you first and leave it to the board to decide if you would like to proceed with the presentation or take up the request for the referral. So I guess you're asking for a quick poll. Yeah, it's kind of unusual. I'd like to make a motion. Okay, I'd like to make a motion to deny the referral. Deferral, excuse me. Then let me just ask, I don't know can we do that without already having without having the public hearing? I think at this point the only thing that would be appropriate is if you wanted to vote for the deferral. If you don't want the deferral we'll go forward with the public hearing. I don't know how to go into my crystal ball to know what the council desire is. Well, I could say, I go ahead, I'm sorry. No, what I was looking for, you're looking for a denial. Yes, I wanted to deny the referral. So that would not be at this point, it could be later. Does anyone want to make a motion for deferral? So I am inclined to make the motion for the deferral. That's traditionally how I would like to see these things to make sure that the landowner has an opportunity to try to improve their product. However, we have a lot of residents here. So I'm trying to figure out how can we allow them the forum that they seek to make their public comments, but then also proceed with the deferral. So do you have any suggestions, community director or attorney? Thank you. Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get in here? Can I get here though in Robert's rules. I mean, I had a motion on the floor here. But that's what she said. We also have a public hearing requirement. And so if we go forward with a dismissal without any public hearing, that's not going to go to the future. But I'll defer to the attorney to the next. After the public hearing, the deferral vote can still be taken. The fact that we go forward with the public hearing doesn't mean that it cannot then be deferred upon motion second and a majority vote. That's consistent with how we've handled it on the prior council is that we would have the full public hearing and then if the council is so inclined to grant the deferral, they still do that. I just wanted to make sure if everyone was on board with that quickly. Yeah, so I would say we need to proceed. Yes, sir. Thank you. The case before you is RZ240010, the subject property is located 1050510555 and 10655 and be farm road. The subject property is 204.1 acres. The current zoning is AG1. The proposed zoning is for CUP. And the request is to allow for 200-lots single-family detached residential subdivision and a density of 0.98 units per acre. Point further in the specific location of the Partswell itself is bounded by spring- spring metal farm subdivision and an undeveloped A.G. One's own parcel to the west, River Trail Middle and Shake Red Elementary Schools to the north, Shake Red Park and National Park Services properties to the northeast and east, and then Chetouchi River to the south. In terms of background, the Embry Farm has 110 acres of pasture land. It was once used for production of sod and animal grazing. Improved with 6300 square foot plantation style residents built in 1975 in the center of the site at the ridge of the slope. land it was once used for production of sod and animal grazing, improved with 6,300 square foot plantation style residents built in 1975 in the center of the site at the ridge of the slope, overlooking the pasture land below. Primary residential structure surrounded by manicure landscaping, detachment, carage and swimming pool, and there are other structures on the property as well. And all existing buildings will be removed if this rezoning was to be approved. These are just some photos of the existing conditions of the property. For the more in the background, subject property has a single access point of Roger Circle with 91 feet of road frontage. The site slopes downward towards the Chattach River from the north and northwest at a starting elevation of 965, 965 feet to the south and southeast at an elevation of 895 feet. Signific proportions of the property is located within the 500 year and the 100 year flood plane. And the Chattanoche River tributary traverses the northwest portion of the site, which originates from the man made pawn eastward and then along the base of the slope towards the southwest, meeting the Chattanoche River. There are several wet line areas and state waters are present on the subject property The subject property has nearly 4,600 linear feed of river frontage and 147 acres of the site is located in the 2000 Furchetto which you river corridor. In 2019, an application to rezone the subject property for development of a 280 unit residential community. With 143 single family detach units and 137 attach units at a density of 1.36 units per acre was denied by City Council in October 21st, 2024 Because of that deferral we had to bring this back to City Council for re-initiation which was approved and we were able to proceed with this procedural requirement Reviewing the site plan the site plan shows a 200-lot single-familyache residential subdivision. 818-grid minimum lots along the west property line, shown in orange. As you can see from the graphic, adjacent to spring metal farm subdivision. 192 lots, which are shown in yellow or proposed for the volume as 100-foot wide lots. The minimum lot size is presented by the applicant is 12,000 square feet. With the minimum heated floor area of 3000 square feet, all lots would have side entry garage. Reviewing side access, the applicant proposes to construct a single lane four leg roundabout and Roger Circle, which will replace the two stop controlled intersection of Embry Farm and also the existing Farm Road. The proposed roundabout will have four following legs, northbound approach, southbound approach, westbound approach, and the west approach, as shown on the diagram on the bottom right. The development proposals extend the existing right away lane by 200 feet from the elementary school to the new roundabout. This will allow for increase in storage of vehicles during school drop off and pick up times, and also improve traffic flow for vehicles entering Shake-Grag Elementary School. And this will be north of the roundabout. The site plan shows a 25 foot landscape strip along the Roger Circle frontage, 50 foot landscape strip along the West property line of budding spring metal farms. 98 acres or 40% of the parcel acreage will be be brought as open space, which is, includes the interconnect and network of walking trails. Overlook park, amenity area pool, pickle ball courts, and clubhouse, and community green areas. The proposed walking trails would utilize and extend the existing dirt roads with new accessible pedestrian walkways to provide connection points to the sidewalks on internal roads. proposed proposal to construct a boardwalk around the manmade lake that would connect to the larger trail system and 12 foot wide, multi-use trail along the Chattanoichi River. A large area of the southern portion of the site within the outside of the 100 year flood pane will be preserved as open space. The applicant will be required to obtain stream buffer variances from both the Georgia EPD and CDO Jones Creek for any future encroachments into the stream buffer. Here are just some photos of the landscape strips and open space as presented by the applicant. Elevations, the exterior facade of the proposed single family detached homes would incorporate a combination brick veneer, and Com, batten, and cementitious lap-siding within tent of creating modern farmhouse stylized housing. Apple can has prepared an elevation design guidebook to illustrate a variety of elevations to be incorporated into the development. As you can see, except for the one on the bottom left, everything else presents the side entry garage option. Going over the standards of zoning, first one is related to suitability with nearby land uses. The surrounding area is characterized predominantly by single-family detached homes. The subject properties position between institutional and recreational uses to the north and northeast and residents to the west. One residential subdivision directly buss the subject property to the west and it maintains a lot acreage with the density of 0.31 units per acre. Nearby subdivisions to the north and east that derives direct access from Roger Circle are 0.56 and 0.98 units per acre in density. Other nearby subdivisions within the Meenage Shake Rack community area are between 0.27 and 2.07 units per acre. The proposed development at 0.98 units per acre will be suitable at this location as the proposed density and the use would be consistent with the established residential developments in the area and recommendation of the comprehensive plan. Proposed development would provide one acre minimum lots abouting spring metal farm subdivision with remaining lots to develop that 12,000 square feet in size similar to the minimum lot size of existing CUP's own subdivisions in the area which range from 8500 square feet to 18,000 square feet. Here's just a chart that was presented in the SAF report as well showing you the differences in the various subdivisions, their zoning densities and the minimum lot size that they were approved for. Again, it's just in a graphical form. This one is showing subdivisions in the surrounding area with their applicable densities. And then this is the current zoning in the surrounding areas with their applicable densities as well. The proposed subdivision with proper conditions to ensure compatibility with the existing residential use suspended in the area would present a minimal adverse effect to the usability of nearby properties. Applicant intends to provide a 50 foot landscape strip along the West property line of geese since the spring metal farms, some division with lots on acreage to mitigate visual and spatial impacts to neighboring properties. The property appears to have a reasonable economic use as currently zone. Reviewing the impacts on infrastructure, traffic impacts study dated March 11th by Ann R Engineering, the applicant shows that the proposed development would generate 1,909 daily trips within the 24-hour period, 140 trips during morning peak hour, 142 trips during school dismissal peak hour, and 191 trips during evening peak hour. The traffic impact analysis evaluated existing and future roadway operations at six intersections, and presented no build and build scenarios for each location. And those six are listed as shown in the presentation. And the graphic is shown as well. Six of them are all on Roger Circle. The farthest one to the west would be on Roger Circle and Bell Road. Impacts on infrastructure continuing. Actual traffic counts were collected on February 11th, 2025 First unsingualized intersections, level service, was determined for each minor street, along Roger Circle movement, sorry, street movement, and major street left turns. The analysis indicates that five out of the six intersections will continue to operate in an acceptable level service, a through seam, during the morning school dismissal and evening peak hours. The only exception was the Westbound approach of Bell Road at Roger Circle. Currently, it operates at a level service E during the morning peak hour without development. It would downgrade to operating level service F during the morning peak hour with development if no roadway and operational improvements were considered. to mitigate traffic impact from the proposed edition of 200 residential units. Staff has recommended the following roadway and operational improvements, which are included in the conditions presented by the staff report. The traffic impact study projects the Roger Circle Westbound approach at Bell Road would experience delays in the future with or without addition of traffic from the proposed residential development. The traffic study recommends adding a right turn lane as a system improvement on Roger Circle at intersection number six if you recall that's the intersection of Roger Circle and Bell Road. To reduce the projected delay times during peak hours on Roger Circle. the circle recommended zoning condition 20 requiring the developer to either construct or contribute funds to the city for the design engineering and construction of the role improvement. Again, this is for rights for land on Roger Circle. Fulton County and sewer conform that adequate water and sewer capacities available to service the development. Full and County requires it proposed laws to be served by a gravity run sanitary sewer line and would not allow sanitary sewer lift station or sanitary sewer pump system to service any laws. Full and County school board has estimated total of 7,200 to 184 new students will be generated by the development. But it will have no impact on school capacity as all three schools are currently under capacity as shown on the chart. All right. So looking at the consistency with the comp plan. The subject property is located in the Shake Rack community area, vision for all new and fill housing developments for the area, is limited to single family detached homes at one unit per acre. The development is proposed with 200 single family detached units would yield the density of 0.98 units per acre. The comp is a plans future line PAP indicates residential one unit or less for this property and the proposed single family use will be consistent with the future land use map. There are no other conditional, there are no additional conditions giving support for approval or disapproval of this proposal. Looking at environmental impacts, the subject property is adjacent to the Chattatree River and approximately 147 acres or 72% of the site is within 2,000 feet from the banks of the Chattatree River. Subject to the Development Standards required under the Metropolitan River Protection Act, Murpha, and also it contains a man-made lake, a Chattatree River, tributary, and wetlands. So the importance of the site closest to the river falls within a hundred year floodplain or the 500 year floodplain. The Environmental Sign Analysis report that the proposed development will limit encroachments into the 100 year floodplain and applicable stream buffers to roway and utility crossings only protecting environmentally sensitive areas of the property. A phase one environmental site assessment was conducted in a revealed no evidence of recognized environmental conditions. The proposed development will include three stormwater management facilities situated in the specific areas of the site to be compliant with the city stormwater management requirements. The future stream buffer variants will be required for any proposing encroachment into the stream buffer. And a metropolitan river quarter certificate application needs to be submitted to receive a Murphus certificate to tailor development to the allowable and appropriate surface and disturbance permitted prior to any disturbance activity. So I would recommend that approval with conditions at the May 6, 2025 Public Hearing Planning Commission at the review recommended the now of the land use petition RZ 240010. Thank you. Thank you, director Song. And at this time, I'd like to open the public hearing for this application case and those wishing to speak in favor, you have 10 minutes. Good evening everybody, my name is Din Webb, 1105 West Pst Street at Lanta, Georgia, 309 here on behalf of toll brothers. We're perfectly happy to receive with the public hearing and makes all the sense in the world to me under the circumstances, but I do intend to request a deferral at the end of this. And just so you know, Mr. Song mentioned that we wrote a letter on Friday indicating that we intended to request a deferral. On Friday, we also reached out to the community members we've been negotiating with, they're talking to to let them know that that was our intent tonight as well. Toll Brothers is a name you know. We were in front of this board, not this commission not long ago. It's America's luxury home builder. It was founded in 1967. It operates in 24 states and it's known for quality construction, customer service, and development of master plans. Mr. Song did a great job of introducing the property and I'm not going to add much to it, but I'll simply mention that Mr. and Mr. and Mr. and Mrs. Embry built the house on this property in 1975. that moved there that year with their two daughters. The senior emories have since passed away. The two daughters own the property. They don't live there. In fact, one of them didn't even live in the state of Georgia and they want to sell it. So this property is going to be sold to someone in the not too distant future. I'm gonna go right to the site plan. You guys recall that about six years ago, Ashton Woods tried to rezone this property for a mixed town home single family detached development. And after that attempt, the city actually modified the comp plan. And it called out this property specifically and it said what it wanted to see on it. Single family detached homes at a density of one unit per acre. And it also said that it wants the development to maintain a pastoral feel, which the comp plan says number one is to incorporate significant areas of open space into the development plan. But also to provide walking and biking trails. That's what pastoral means according to the comp plan. Lastly, it indicated that it wanted the development to include a trail along the Chattanootu River. All of those components are part of the site plan you see in front of you. You'll notice the lots depicted, that's 200 single family lots. The density proposed is .98 units per acre less than what the Shakerad comp plan indicates as a goal. The lot sizes of the lot you see on that plan vary. The largest which are on the western boundary denoted in orange or 43,560 square feet or one acre. Those are there intentionally. The neighbors to our west asked for those particular lots along the property boundary. And I'll also note has been touched on between on the west side of those lots, there's an additional 50 foot buffer planted to city standards. So there'll be a one acre lot moving west, a 50 foot buffer, and in the rear of the homes in the spring, meadow subdivision to our west. So the largest slots are one acre, the smallest are 15,000 square feet or one third of an acre. And again, there's a variety between those two poles. The average lot size on this development, and there's been a lot of confusion on this point. I've seen a lot of stuff distributed in the community about how these are quarter acre lots. That's wrong. The lots are one third of an acre to one acre and there's a variety in between, and the average lot size in this development is 18,000 square feet. There's a lot of green on that site plan. Toll has maintained roughly one half of the property or 98 of the 204 acres as open space. A significant part of that green space could be developed. I want to clarify that, but the intent was to preserve it again to meet the pastoral field that the comp plan seems to require. But also to create a special and unique community, right? How many of you have actually been on this property? Is anyone actually been out there? Well, if you've been out there, you know it's a very beautiful piece of property, right? And it is something worth considering as part of the development plan and by preserving almost half of it. In a logical way from the top of the site, south into the west to maintain continuity between that green space I think does create the opportunity to create a special and unique community. On the south side of that site plan is the 12 foot multi use trail proposed along the Chattanootje River. That will be publicly accessible. There's a trail network throughout this development that ties into the city system. If you look in the northeast corner of this property, there's actually a trailhead connection to the trail at Shake Rag Park there. And I talk a little bit about this at the Point of Commission, but because of that, now a kid can get on his bike at home, ride up to Shake Rhyg Park, come through our property, wind up on a trail on the Chattahoochee River, and someday, maybe able to ride down to Colley Creek. The intent of that Chattahoochee Trail connection is actually to connect Shake Rhyg Park to Colley Creek, and I think ultimately up to McGinnis Ferry. I think that's a pretty neat something to think about. There's sidewalks on both sides of this development. Ben mentioned home elevations as part of his presentation. I'm not going to cover that. But we've got a little bit of close ups of some of the specifics. This is one of the green space areas, one of many proposed for this development. This is as you come into the site, there's an existing pond there now. And this is a mood board that shows you what that area will look like. And again, you guys are putting a board walk in around your lake here. We're putting a board walk in around our lake there as well. I've got a similar slide for the emitting. And this is a mood board that shows you what that area will look like. And again, you guys are putting a board walk in around your lake here. We're putting a board walk in around Arleict there as well. I've got a similar slide for the amenity space. The amenity space, and again, there's several, but this is the primary amenity space. It's actually going to be near where the house is today. It's going to be a large structure with a pool, pickable, and things of that nature. And again, we've got a mood board that shows you a little bit about what that particular part of the development is supposed to look and feel like. And finally, we also have a mood board for the landscaping proposal. This site will be heavily landscaped in all corners, as you would expect. And the price point for these homes is $1.5 to $2 million. That's a starting point for this development. Once the market establishes itself, we expect the prices to go higher. I hear people chuckling back there, but the fact is that's not an unusual price point for this area. And this is going to be an unusual development for John's Creek. There's nothing like it now. Roger's Circle is a two lane road that according to our traffic engineers designed to handle 14,600 vehicle trips a day. And even with the existing traffic and the traffic that we are proposing with this new development, the capacity that road will still stay at 50% or below its maximum capacity. I'm not sure what that noise is. What's our fill? No work on it. Thank you. But we've been working with the city on traffic for this development really from the beginning. We recognize even though the road is certainly sufficient to handle what we're proposing. We've been trying to do, we can't minimize and mitigate the impacts. And we had a lot of questions on that issue at the planning commission. And that's a primary reason why we're asking for deferral here. There were questions that really went beyond the normal zoning type plans that related to traffic. There were issues put out there to the public that we feel like we need to address with additional engineering, but I'll talk a little bit more about that later. But one of the primary focuses of our traffic impact really related to the roundabout that Ben talked about, and tonight we have our traffic engineer Abdul Amar here with us who will answer your questions related to traffic and the roundabout. But I'm just going to preview the three major upgrades that Ben talked about. The first is the roundabout just north of the site that will realign portions of Roger Circle, realign Embry Farm Road coming off of our property and coming off of River Trail as well. That's an upgrade number one. The plan you see in front of me is proposed as 120 feet in diameter. That is the largest, if not the second largest roundabout in John's Creek. I've never been able to get straight answer on that, but it's unusually large for this area. And that's in part to accommodate the buses that will be going in and out of school. And we have floated this plan by the Fulton County School Board as well as the City's Public Works Department. The second improvement Ben mentioned is additional 250 feet of stacking into Shake Rag Elementary. When we started this process, we talked to some neighbors and we asked about traffic and they said look, the only problem we really have is related to drop off and pick up its Shake Rag Elementary. And while we were going through our planning process, we realized we could actually add another 250 feet of stacking that would certainly help that problem, even though we don't really have much to do with it and certainly didn't create it. The last item is a dedicated right turn lane at Bell Road and Roger Circle. Let me piggyback on what Ben said. Whether this is built or not, that intersection is projected to have a level of service F in the near future. It's actually a failing grade today, which is E. With the traffic improvements that we're proposing at that intersection, it will be a level of service C even with our development. So this particular upgrade will improve the level of service at that particular intersection, and been mentioned that there were five others that we studied along Roger's Circle, and all of those will at least maintain the current level of service. So we have effectively negated the traffic impact of this development, at least on Roger's Circle. Ben talked a little bit about the staff report. You heard the recommending approval subject to conditions and we agreed to all of those. There's been a lot of talk about all those including the right away improvements that I just briefly covered. So I want to sort of abbreviate my presentation. I know there can be a lot of questions and I'm gonna need some time for a bottle, but let me touch on a few points. The first, and there's been a lot of talk about this particular issue. This development is consistent with the current character of the Shake Rag community. As you could see from the image that I just put up Shake Rag is a large area area, bin had a better area that show the different neighborhoods in it. But staff in its report identified the 10 subdivisions within ShakeRag that are closest to this development, been touched on this a little bit. There were several things that that chart said to me. Number one of the 10 subdivisions closest to our development, only three were developed as AG1 properties. And two of those are very old, one of which is Belacry, which was developed in the 80s and Spring Meta Farm, which is to our west, which was developed starting in the mid 90s. The other seven subdivisions that are closest to us tell a different story and one that really supports this development. density range for those other seven subdivisions that are closest to us, tell a different story and one that really supports this development. The density range for those other seven, I don't know what's going on with these. Sorry. Thank you, the 10 minutes is expired. All right, we got to move one to the other side. Okay, so we get 10 minutes? That's what it, yeah. Okay. All right, Thank you. All right. Now and try to do it in this orderly way. Anyone that wishes to speak against there will be 10 minutes for that as well. So it can be one speaker for the whole 10 minutes or you divide up your time however it works out. Good evening Mr. Mayor and council members. Before I open and what I was intending to speak about tonight I just wanted to clarify a couple of things that the applicant mentioned and their statement. If we pull up the site plan that they were discussing, I know they mentioned that there was an intentional design to keep that much of the property as open space. But if you actually analyze what that open space consists of, it's really the 100 year floodplain. And it's the 500 year floodplain. Lots of creek that goes from the pond above and transverses throughout the property and exits out into the Chattahoochi. So I don't believe that it's an appropriate statement to say that that was an intentional design feature to keep the pastoral nature and give us that much open space. I think that's just limitations of that particular property that's a graphical limitations there. And also, I know they mentioned that there's going to be properties there at a minimum of 15,000 square feet in size as far as the law is concerned, but their legend on the site plan actually indicates a minimum of 12,000 square feet. Nowhere have we seen language that indicates that there's going to be properties on 15,000 square feet and 18,000 square feet as they just mentioned. Getting to what I wanted to speak about tonight. I'd like to actually open with a letter of the law. Somehow in the last hearing, the comprehensive plan was being undermined as not controlling. And I'd like to actually show you by some of the rules that I have that these are not recommendations, but rather their mandates. The Georgia Planning Act charges the DCA with establishing the minimum standards and procedures counties and cities must follow. The comprehensive plan must be prepared, pursuing to the minimum standards and procedures for preparation of the comprehensive plan. For those plans with the land use element, the land use element must include at least one of the two following components, a future land use map. And at least in that map, residential, at least in the map, residential buildouts are organized into general categories of net densities. The applicant's interpretation of the law actually also supports that net density language. If you look at their letter of intent on page three, they have used the same net density language. However, they have given us a gross calculation, which is a misstatement in their letter of intent. The environmental site analysis that they also submitted also states net density language that they've used a .9 units breaker, but we all know that that's a gross calculation rather than a net calculation. Additionally, our side of the story indicates that if you pay attention to the buildout analysis tables in the comprehensive plan, staff refer to those in contemplated situations where gross and net densities are typically aligned. So when they were referring to a 344 acres in the future land use map for that particular property, and you can build out 344 homes on it, typically in the average situation, most of that land is buildable and so gross and net densities align. But that table does not contemplate the unique circumstances of embryo farms that due to its limited topography and environmentally sensitive land, you'll significantly less buildable acres than are used in staff's density calculation. Furthermore, the zoning map used in staff's presentation does not show any CUP zone properties in Shakerag since the 2018 comprehensive plan. And that's the plan that we're supposed to be making decisions on moving forward. You can fact check that. They have incorrectly relied on pre-incorporation and pre-2018 comprehensive plan developments. Our council also indicated that on in table 17 on pages 142 through 143, the comprehensive plan conveys theoretically possible buildout scenarios. It does not entail the parcel specific features and doesn't factor into the density calculations. You need the unique particular parcels that are being considered in connection with the rezoning application. A simple look at the site plan will easily show you that the areas that applicant claims to be designed as open space, which I already mentioned, include steep slopes, creeks, wetlands, and flood plains. And then they would have to, they would have had to naturally not touch those areas. So again, that's not by design. By the way, we just started a petition in less than two whole days. We were able to receive almost 100 signatures of individuals who are really highly concerned about this project. And in final statement, as you all know, the planning commissioners that spent time investigating the Embry Farms Resoning case, all of them voted in favor of rejecting and we respectfully request that you do the same. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and the City Council members. My name is Dr. Jamal Vardaka. The owner of 10740 Roger Sturkel. Today, thank you for the opportunity. I'm speaking on behalf of my property and my neighbour, Angela, as well, who is directly involved in the roundabout planning. So we support the progress. The issue is the proposed roundabout directly threatens the safety, peace and the quality of life that our families have worked to build. It is just not a usual standard roundabout which can manage the high traffic, but it is like a more orthodox one, an orthotox one where our driveways have to open to the roundabout with high school, traffic zone, operating buses and other vehicles. It's easy for the traffic to kind of get confused and get into our properties. It's currently the street is quite unsafe but if it's a roundabout it becomes like a high density, it would turn the peaceful street into a busy shortcut. The city and the entry and exit toward properties would be extremely limited and unsafe. Specifically, if you look at it, the traffic turning into the traffic circle from Roger's circle. It will be moving towards the left when they actually turn to the right and then they're not looking at the traffic that's coming out of our houses then there is a direct risk of the traffic hitting the our cars or our gas traffic and that will cause potential damage to risk property and also life. It's just with increasing traffic. Traffic is just going to risk, you're basically in the night when we are trying to sleep, when it's roundabout traffic and 20 feet, you hear a lot of noises, lights, everything, you're just going to disrupt your peace. So really we kind of moved from Forsyth County and even Augusta to here and then we kind of looked all over Atlanta, we found Fulton Community County like a very safe place. So I really ask you, I urge you to kind of take out concerns and consider our support, our safety and privacy and economic interest as well. Thank you all again, thanks for your time. Thank you very much for listening to People's Voice. And they already mentioned a lot. Today I'm going to just mention one thing. The top right is so confused about the growth and the net. You see there are two pictures here. Both have six houses, same land, same acreage, same density, which one you prefer. Tell Brad that you this one. That's lower standard. When we talk about the comprehensive health plan, we don't go low, we go high. Thank you. Hello, Marin City Council members. Thank you for the time. My name is Samakang Gouli. I'm a resident on Nellie Brick Court. I echo all my fellow community members here in opposing this rezoning. And I think one of the fundamental issues here is traffic safety. And the reality is that this does not fit with the comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan looks for one unit per acre and it's not gross. It is net. The DCA specifically talks about net and not gross. And so whatever has been spent even, which was discussed in the planning commission, meaning the application of gross is not what is approved by DCA. The plan was approved in 2018, but they actually focus on net. So that interpretation is incorrect. B, the whole thing here is if this is approved, everyone's forgetting what happens with Rogers family land, which is right next door. And that whatever traffic improvements are done now have no relevance to what will happen if and when those properties are converted from Ag1 to CUP and you have additional traffic and any improvements now will not cover that. basically ending up with, you know, back up to ground one in this instance. So I think the reality is we're looking at traffic, safety, net density, and the applicant is not following, you know, protecting the community in any of those instances, and we're not looking at what the future holds if Rogers Family Land follows this precedent and is allowed to convert from AgWon to CUP as well. I yield my time from there. Applause Allandol, I've lived in the shake reggaery since 1991. In the early 90s was the very first Fulton County comprehensive view of this part of the county. Group of community members at the time, emberies were involved with that. Went to Fulton County to make sure that Shake Rags was a focus. A lot of Shake Rags looks like it does now because of that early work on density. And these comprehensive plans mentioned, I was on probably the first three of those. I wasn't on these ones later. Held that tight. Thank you, the time. Somebody early zoning that you see that higher density was Fulton County of members never went up here. Just wanted to make that point. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And so, with that, the two sides have had an opportunity to opine and with that I'll close the public hearing and council to floor yours. I would like to make a motion to deny the deferral. Is that what you're saying? So you can make a motion for denial, but someone would have to make a motion forward to furl and it had to fail, I think. Okay, well let's do that. Am I not correct on that? Or can you make a motion like you said? I think we need the record to be clear that the applicant is in fact asking for the deferral. There was a reference to it, but I think we need to make sure that the records clear that there is a request for a deferral specifically. I assume that will happen. Whether there's a motion to deny or whether there's a motion to grant, it would be a valid motion. We just need a vote. All right, Madame Attorney, his motion was that he wanted to make a motion to deny a deferral. Right. Can that be the motion? Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Is that your motion? It is my motion, yes. All right. All right. Is there a second? Okay, all right, so thank you for the motion. Councilmember D. Biasi, thank you for the second, Councilmember Eremelli, and is there a discussion on the motion? Yes, the reason why I'm denying the deferral is because there is, the whole community has been activated for about two months now. We've been hearing about this case. The Tolbrothers is a great company and you guys do great work. But because your nationwide, your great company, some of the items here, and the fact that it was denied on Friday, here it is Monday, you got the audience out here, you got people listening. I think it's a disservice to the citizens and the neighborhoods around this particular subject property. And I think everyone here is ready to make a decision one way or the other, and I think it's important for us to go forward. Mr. R, anybody else? I would, I'm inclined to grant the deferral, so I don't know whether it's cleaner to have an up and down vote. On the denial, the motion to deny or whether I should amend the motion. Vote. And then make your move. Any preference may or. So I mean the attorney said his motion is fine. No I understand it's just as far as procedure I could also. It's a little clunky but we'll make it work. Is there anybody else that would like to speak on the motion? I'll speak on it. And so speaking this council and past councils have granted deferrals to make the best situation both for the homeowners and the applicants, given that there was a strong point of contention to get that resolved. Generally speaking, when we would not go that route, it would, I'd say, in general, negatively impact all parties involved because they weren't working on an amicable solution to get that. It has the few times that we have not proceeded with the deferral has resulted in constitutional zoning cases that I think if we want to let this work it out between the two parties of interest, I would suggest that's the route we go, but if not, that's fine too. And Councillor Miller-Coffee, I mean I should know just for all of the residents here, I'm not trying to make light of the amount of effort and time and organizing you all have put into this effort. The way our resolution is written is if this motion were to be, if the application were to be denied today, finally as a final denial, then the landowner would not be no person would be able to bring another zoning application on this property for an entire year. Whether it's told brothers or at that point, it's a different company that seeks to develop on that land. There has to be an entire year waiting period. If we had a different zoning resolution and we didn't have that one year moratorium in place, I would feel differently. but perhaps, but we have that in place and I think that rather than make a final denial, we need to, when the applicant has asked us for permission to try to present a stronger application that may be able to receive community support, it's our incumbent on us to try to make that work. And can I ask you anything? Has it been deferred once before? I don't direct your songs, not here. Oh, has this been deferred before? Yes, it was with the planning commission. Good. Mayor Perkins, I'm going ahead. Again, I understand the resistance has been working on this for a while, but just like the resistance, have the right to opinion their point on this one, the landlord has some rights to. So like Constell Mimor, Mordyn L. Wood said, it's like a one year the applicant cannot come back. So if I watched the planning commission meeting, which is more than three hours, so there were a few points that were brought up. So if the applicant is willing to work with the residents and also with the community to come up with a solution, we should definitely give them an opportunity to work with the community and see if they can come back with the Solution that's acceptable to everyone understand it's and it's another Few months for the residents, but it's definitely we should be looking at all the options before we come back and deny this one So I would be sub like not supporting the current motion So I've got a couple of things I would like to inquire. And I, Madam Attorney, I'm pretty sure that I can ask anybody that spoke a question. Ma'am, could you come up for a sec? Could you repeat for me, I think I understood it, but I want to make sure I'm 100%. You were saying that there was a legend on the map and it says 15,000 square feet or 18,000 square feet, but you're saying it's less than that. Could you clarify that? So on the legend on the site plan, there's the proposed lot sizes. What it says is that there's eight homes that back up on the west side of Nellie Record that are on acre one acre lots and those are eight parcels. The 192 parcels just gives you a minimum lot size of 12,000 square feet. So there's nowhere on any paperwork that we've seen that 15,000 and 18,000 square feet comes up except from the applicant when they come and speak here. Okay. So the 12,000 square feet is what the information we've been given and that's why we've been quoting that square footage. And if I could say something more. I hate to say it, but I don't know that's allowed because then it leads into another part of the public. Yeah, because they're not actually. The roundabout is not going to be, it's a lot of cause. Work with me please. All right, and then director song, I've got a question for you and follow up. Okay. So this is just your natural space. Okay, so is anywhere in the application, is it specifying the minimum lot sizes? Yes, as we presented it specified in the original application as Miss Malay mentioned 12,000. The applicant has presented that additional information to you in terms of clarifying that there may be larger size lots. They just haven't, I think it was part of their original presentation, they weren't able to get to it. But in terms of what was submitted, what was references 12,000? But then there are other things out there that are saying $15,000 or $18,000? New information that has come up. Okay, okay. So I can understand where there's a big difference between those two. All right, and then last question is for you, Madam Attorney, so just as a point of procedure, so our motion is for denying the deferral. If that motion fails, does that mean that the deferral was approved? Or do we have to start over? It would be cleaner than to have the motion to grant the deferral. Okay, all right. Live in the dream. Live in the dream. Sorry. You. I'm going to go. Yeah. One sec. Again, that's a little place. I'm not used to seeing you there. It really is. We thought you were left for the day. I just wanted to check how many times in the life of this property has this deferral and denial happened. Apparently some Ashton Woods are before us. I don't know. I wasn't here for the Ashton Woods rezoning. One thing that's clear and we presented the Ashton Woods. I just want to know how many times has it been denied? Must have been denied for whatever reason. One time. Okay. In this current proposal, current vendor. Yes. How many times has been deferred? It was wonderful and planning commission. And this is the secondary request. Thank you. It would be the first request for council. Thank you. Yes, sir. So from what the applicant had stated, the reason for the deferral is to adjust the roundabout. It's not just an adjustment. I think there is a desire to come up with something more than a concept in terms of the roundabout. Something that is more defined as to what you would see. I'm not going to come out here and say they're going to give you full set of construction plans, but it's going to be more defined than what you see in terms of a concept. In particular the impact they would it would have on to. Correct. Private residents. All aspects, all of the legs that would contribute into designing that roundabout would have to be considered. And the original deferral for the planning commission was that also the roundabout or was there something else? Mm-hm. That was, I'll be honest, I don't recall. The applicant may be better, be able to answer that because they're the ones who requested that. I thought it was related to the school board. Sorry. The school board was more of an administrative deferral that was handled directly by staff because if the school board wasn't willing to provide the roundabout then there was no point of us moving forward with this rezoning. So the Nellie Brook Court asked us to ask for the the deferral to planning commission. We've been talking to them, meeting with them, trying to come up with an agreement on things we couldn't do on the property. They thought we might be able to get there in a month and it didn't happen. So we move forward. This is our first request for deferral here, but it's really for technical reasons. you touched on, you know, the roundabout became the big issue at the planning commission and what we have is a concept plan. It's been vetted by public works, it's been vetted by the Fulton County School Board. We've shown it to one of the neighbors who lives on it, but it's not an engineer plan. And given the depth of questions we got the planning commission, it's only fair, frankly that we be allowed to engineer that plan because a lot of information, a lot of questions are put out there that we didn't have information for because we wouldn't, you wouldn't have it at the zoning phase. So we were asking, in part, for the opportunity to complete the engineering for that roundabout. And we've already started, by the way, our traffic engineer is here, he's working on designs. We met with the two homeowners who live on that roundabout on Friday. that are lawyer today, we've committed to kind of working with them between now and August. So that's the main focus, but there are other things. There have been so many moving parts in this application. the two homeowners who live on that round about on Friday. I talked to their lawyer today, we've committed to kind of working with them between now and August. So that's the main focus, but there are other things. There have been so many moving parts in this application. They mentioned the 12,000 square foot minimum. We had to put a number in there when we filed. If you actually scale those lots off, the minimum is 15,000 square feet. If you actually look at the lots on the plan, the smallest one is 15,000 square feet. If we need to add a zoning condition saying 15,000 square feet is our minimum, we'll do that. But again, that's another sort of loose end that we can handle between now and August. But the- And, sir, what was the term that you used that we lopped him? We lopped. You said something about how- Yeah, I didn't quite catch that. Did you miss? I'm sorry, you said something like we locked that off or we rounded that off or something? No, no. Well, I'm not sure what I said, but when we initially filed, we had to put some minimum in there. But, oh, oh, if you scale off the actual lots. What does that mean? If you take a scale and look at, you know, figure out the width versus the front edge. What did I meet you? Pardon me? Yes, thank you. So the minimum dimension on the lots that you see on the site plan in front of you is 15,000 square feet. We've been saying that, by the way. This is not the first time this came up. Yeah. And I didn't get to it, but I do have an image that shows you the different lot sizes around the development. development. So there is variety between the one third which is a acre which is a smallest and the one acre which is the largest. But again, we've been working like crazy on this thing. There have been weird starts and stops because of the school board, because of neighbor negotiations. We've had a variety of different people in and out of this application. And so, I do hope that you'll consider this request. We're here in good faith. We've been here in good faith from the beginning. Told brothers, this is a good company. They're considering investing $500 million in the city of John's Creek to build a 200 unit subdivision that see level executives and exactly the kind of people you would like to live here will occupy. So we hope we get a little bit of grace here. We also consider the property owners, the emberies, and their interest in at least considering how they want to handle this zoning moving forward. Just a follow-up question on that. The actual roundabout, you're going to go back and do it more a technical drawing for it, to make those driveways that are on the roundabout sort of to either change their configuration so they don't enter the roundabout from their driveway. Is that a correct statement? So there are several options. So there is an option where they can enter directly into the roundabout. There's an option where they can come in the north, south. That's sort of the conversation we started with the neighbors on Friday and it's a conversation we need to have. But finalizing the plan for the roundabout is more than just that. It certainly includes that piece. will include collaboration between our traffic engineer, public works, the school board, and those two neighbors. But it also requires some engineering. We've got to look at the topography, the easements. We just hadn't gotten to that point because that's not typical in zoning. So there's a lot of work here, but yes, we are absolutely focused on those two property owners and how they get in and out of their property. And the ultimate goal for the deferral is to improve that roundabout in either the traffic study, the scale goes up to, I don't know if it's a C, to an A, or is it to satisfy those homeowners within the roundabout itself? It's really more to satisfy the homeowners and also to design something that's more specific. So everybody knows exactly where that roundabout's going to go. So it's, you know, it might shift five feet north, it might shift ten feet south. You know, it's a concept plan until you get to the real engineering you don't know. But we want to do that engineering now so those neighbors will know exactly where this is going to go. school board will know exactly know exactly where this is going to go. And we can have some certainty in our conversations. And that issue I think was really muddled with the planning commission and we've got to get in there and address it. So that is the reason, the primary reason for the deferral. To my council members point, I believe is. As I understood it from watching the planning commission, the plan was that the city of John's Creek would be engineering and constructing the roundabout that you all would be contributing the cost of that. Is that correct? No, so we are building the roundabout. The city is acquiring the right of way from the Fulton County School Board and we will reimburse the city for that. What I think you're getting at is up at Rodgers and. In intersection, we don't really have a lot to do with it's failing now. We've agreed to fund and or build that additional right turn. Based on the city engineering plan. Correct. Well, I think I might have muddled those two things. But what I am concerned about, I hope you'll understand, is that in the event that you need to a right away from the other homeowners with the driveways to complete the roundabout, how that would be problematic for this council to have to try to do that. Understood. We don't need to get right away from them. The Fulton County School Board has been involved in this, really from the beginning. They have agreed to sell basically, somewhere between half an acre and an acre of right away, that you know that grassy area in front of River Trail Middle. So whatever happens is actually gonna happen over there. You know, if Dr. J, who was the fellow we met with on Friday, his lot is right up on the street. If you know where his house is, that road is actually gonna shift about, whoop, 25 or 30 feet east. That entire roundabout is actually going to shift a little bit more towards Rivel Trail Middle and a little bit south, I believe, towards the Embry property. But again, those are the details that we don't have fully baked. We wouldn't normally, but we need to. So we can give you guys the certainty that I think you need and give Dr. J and others a viable solution that they can live with. And then last thing is you understand though, while I understand them, a lot more clearly now the discrepancy between 12, 15 and 18,000, you understand why we can't really purely on your representations and your presentation for that. Well I know and it's a clean up item. I thought we'd get it for all. I've been doing this for 20 plus years I've never seen any one denied before so I apologize I've it's just a shock to me I work in every jurisdiction state of Georgia So we that's a cleanup item on my list But you've got to understand we have made so many changes that there are little nits and that's like that if you are going to be coming back to us and I'll give them. You will fix that. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. So I got a question for the lady. Since the time planning commission denied them, did you have a chance to talk to those people or did they approach you to explain conceptually, at least how they're going to address or mitigate the problem. The reason I'm asking you this question is, if they succeeded, I wouldn't have seen so many people in a position. Are you asking they as the applicant? Yes, did they make an effort to... So I just want everybody to know that Dr. J, whose driveway we we're talking about, this round about imposes on, didn't get contact about a request for meeting with them until and I don't want to miss speak. Was it Thursday of this week, Dr. J? Wednesday of this, right before the hearing which was going to be on Monday. So the whole concept that they are asking for deferrals to actually work with the community seems a little disingenuous to us because they don't actually reach out to us until the very last minute and then they want a deferral to try to make it up. So. All right. So we're not going to get into it today. Back to you. That's it. Thank you. All right. All right. Council, do we have anything new that you need? So, given the information that I've heard, well, it pains me to make an amendment to the motion, I may want to either retract that motion and allow the applicant the time to go forward because trying to do the best for both sides. and if it's a legitimate and it's not a play of time because maybe you didn't have your act together. I don't know how else to say that but it seems like you have a legitimate technical reason why you need some time to engineer this thing and allow us to take a look at the proper side of things. So if you will take pity on your poor old mayor let's just take a vote and let it fly or die and then we'll, we can take up a new clean motion. That's fine. That's fine. I didn't know if we can go ahead and call the question. Alright, so to clarify, if you vote no on the motion, then we're going to come back and maybe get a new motion for a deferral that we can have more straightforward. So all those in favor of denying the deferral, which is what Larry's with Councilmember D. Biasi's original motion was, please raise your hand. All right, so all right. All right, that failed all those against motion. All right, so we are back at square one. Is there a new motion perhaps? I would like to make a motion to grant the applicants request for a deferral to the August 25th, 2025 meeting. Okay, thank you, Council Member Lwood. Is there a second? Seconded. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem. Is there a discussion? I just want to make one, because it was hard for me to get it Already I want to interrupt you guys, but I just don't See anything that will materially materially change enough to Warn everybody coming out another fourth time. So for that reason, I won't be supporting the emotion. I got a question for Ben Song. Dr. Song, before coming to the decision of Roundabout, was there another alternative or other evaluation that's being done to look at anything else that better fits that? Because it looks like that's only one access point for this whole property. So something has to be done at the. Correct, I mean public works. We've had opportunities to look at the site for some other project in the past. And when we reviewed the property, accounting for multiple factors, right? Like you said, the frontage along the property, the multiple legs, the multiple driveways that come that sort of converge into this area. There's only so many options that are available. The other aspect of around about is to ensure that there is safe passage, you're slowing now traffic as well, that's the other aspect that of around about. And so, although everything was sort of looked at, we came to the decision, again, looking at some other project back when that the roundabout made most sense. That was also what was presented to the school board as well. And the school board got the same concept plans before they said they're willing to move forward with this project. So that's one another factor that came into play to decide on the roundabout as an option for development So the school board is Like agreeing on this plan like the okay, they understood they received concept plans upfront because they themselves had to take it to the school board to give their COO the ability to move forward with this idea Okay, some of the questions that were brought up in the planning commission were like, the diameter of the roundabout and how? Yes, as mentioned, the dimension, the 120 is the largest that we have in John's Creek. So that would be the minimum in this particular case. So that's the starting point. It won't go any lower, it can only go up, it can only become larger if that's the case. Okay, so the applicant is open at looking at all the options that's available. Just going to give comfort to those residents on the roundabout and Right, I think that's the intended plan. So that's why they're requesting further for all. Okay. Thank you. Director Saling, if I can keep you up here. Just one second on the staff write up on Criterion 7. I just want a little bit of clarity, even before August to help me understand. So it's written, future stream buffer variants would be required for any proposed encroachment into the stream buffer. And then a metropolitan river corridors certificate application needs to be be submitted to receive Murph a certificate to tailor the development to allowable impervious service. Yes, sir. So it's been a while. I think my peers here will agree with me in terms of the, we haven't had a lot of rezoning on Merpa protected. Right. Is this, I mean, I can't even use the word typical, but is Merpa certificate following the R approval? Yes. The usual case or is it usually a Merpa certificate required prior to this? question. It's technically the land use first before we get into the Murphus certificate is more technical as to you have to provide information about slopes, soil types, and the like, in order to determine what category they would fall under, then in turn, determine how much impervious and how much disturbance they may be permitted, depending on the that it falls in. Being that this is a land use, the land use in this particular case for this matter, the land use would take place first and then we get into the technical review. Which I mean, with this it's a bit idiosyncratic because we have to, I mean number seven is that the adverse impact of the environment, but then we're relying on the purpose certificate to really like protect those particular lands. So I don't know, I filled the process. Yeah, so just as an example, we did the same thing for Bayard. Bayard was the last major development of a residential development along River Corridor. We went through the rezoning first to establish the allowable land use before you have an actual document that defines what you're proposing to do on the property to ARC for that Murpo review. Yes, sir. All right. Any other comments? I'll just say I have been in those chairs coming out for just exactly like what you're doing. I sympathize but I do think that there are opportunities to improve this. I'm not going to go back to the details, obviously the roundabout and the square footage minimums is something that needs to be addressed and I'm going to support the deferral So if there are no other comments All right, I'll call a question all those in favor grant them the deferral All right All right, thank you. Hope y'all can work it out. Council we're going to the next item. Thank you. Next item is ordinance 2025, 0516. It is a public hearing and consideration of an ordinance omitting the city of John's Creek zoning map rz25-00001 and vc25-001. 117-05 Fox Road and 117-20 Jones Bridge Road, Agricultural District and Community Business District. 20 lot single family detached residential subdivision and a density of 3.29 units per acre with a concurrent variance to reduce the minimum building separation from 14 to 10 foot. Good evening council. The case before you is RZ 25001 and concurrent variance BC 25001. The subject property is located in the north Northwest Quad quadrant and the intersection of Jones Bridge Road and Kimber Bridge Road is bound by Fox Glen subdivision to the north, but their tires and wheels and shops at Jones Bridge trips center to the east, extra space storage, self storage facility to the south, and Web Bridge Park in the city of Alfreda, and Eddington Place at Jones Creek assisted living facility across Fox Road to the West. The subject property consists of two parcels, the larger parcel of the 4.892 acres is zone AG1. It's improved with the 2,900 square foot, one story break residential building, four accessory structures, and a single access point off of Fox Road. The smaller side is the Eastern track that C1, it's 15 acres in size. Is a landlock remnant parcel located behind existing commercial building along Jones Bridge Road with no frontage on a public road. It was owned C1 conditional persuading to 1997 Z-0112 from Fulton County which allowed for retail service commercial and or office and accessory uses at at a maximum density of 7,700 square feet per acre. It's currently used for material and equipment storage by landscaping company. The cyclist's been about the applicant shows a 20-loss single-family detached residential subdivision. The minimum lot size is 5,000 square feet. There will be a 40-foot perimeter set back along the North property line., just adjacent to Fox Glen subdivision. The proposed development will be served by a single full access curb cut off a Fox road. Centrily located green space and two other open space areas, totaling 0.71 acres or 11% of the total parcel acreage is to be used as common open space for residents, which would be also managed by the Homeowners Association. There'll be 200 underground stormwater management facilities for development, one on the Southwest corner and the other in the eastern portion of the site. Elevation submitted by the applicant shows that exterior facade of single-family detached home, with a mix of brick veneer, stone, and cementitious siding. There'll be two or three car garage option depending on the house plan as presented by the graphic. Reviewing the standards of zoning. First one being the suitability with nearby land uses. The subject property is nestled between commercial uses of the self storage facility to the south. Retail commercial strip center to the east. There's one single family detached residential subdivision, Fox Glen, which has a density of 2.99 units per acre to the north Across Fox Road as mentioned is an assisted living facility and wet bridge park other residential use nearby The subject property is the Wellesley town home subdivision, which has a current density of 8.43 units per acre The surrounding zoning land use and development criteria shows this map of existing uses as mentioned. The minimum law size of the proposed development is 5,000 square feet, which is similar to the minimum law sizes of existing residential subdivisions in the area which range from 2000 to 6000 square feet. The proposed development of 3.29 units per acre of density was served as a suitable transition between an intensive of commercial use and a lower density residential development. The proposed development is required to maintain a 40 foot perimeter setback along the entire North property line adjacent to Fox Glen subdivision to mitigate visual and spatial impacts and neighboring residential properties. Primary and accessory structures and pools cannot be located within the perimeter setback, which would further protect the adjacent residential development from adverse impacts, with the proper conditions to ensure compatible with the existing residential uses found in the area, the proposed development would present minimal adverse effect to the usability of nearby properties. The Agent One parcel appears to have a reasonable economic use currently on. However, the C1's own parcel has not been developed for the past 24 years, due to its lack of visibility, frontage and access from the public road, unlike the balance of the existing commercial area. Reviewing against impacts on infrastructure, proposed development is expected to generate 230 daily trips within 24 hour period, including 17 trips during morning peak hour and 22 trips during evening peak hour. Proposed development will be the only residential development in John's Creek service by Fox Road. To enhance the traffic flow on Fox Road and minimize any transportation impacts from the proposed development staff is recommending a condition for construction of the law. Actually, this is gone. I'll get to that in a bit as to the diesel lane. Full andulton County School Board has estimated a total of six to 17 new students will be generated by the development and pose no impact on school capacity. Fulton County Water and Surer has also confirmed that there's adequate sewer capacity and water capacity for the proposed development. The overall low number of dwelling units proposed would present minimal additional impacts to existing infrastructure and schools. Consciousness is here with the comp plan located in the John Street North community area. The vision for all new and full housing developments is for single-family detached homes at three units per acre. The development has proposed with 20 single-family detached units will yield a proposed density of 3.29 units per acre. The comprehensive plans future land use map, in the case, residential three units were less for the aging one zone property, and then commercial retail shopping centers for the C1 zone track. The proposed single family use would conform with the policy of the community area related to type of infill housing. Single family detached lines and the residential densities found in the area, but it would not be consistent with the recommendation of the future land use map. The C1 track that land is an undeveloped random parcel from the commercial development built along Jones Bridge Road. The site has known direct access to a public road and has been subject to various code violations in the past for illegal dumping and material storage. Possibility of a viable commercial use that is compatible with adjacent residential subdivision being built on the site would be difficult. The site lacks frontage, visibility from a public loan and hands the lack of development of the site for the past 24 years. Including this remnant commercial parcel into the proposed residential development would alleviate the concern of this property being utilized as an incompatible use in the future that could the average the effect existing residential uses. Thus providing supporting grounds to consider the proposed development. In terms of environmental impacts and environmental side analysis in the case that the site does not contain any environmentally sensitive features, the applicant proposes construct two underground stormwater management facilities in the southwest corner and eastern portion of the property which will comply with the stormwater management requirements. In review of the concurrent variance, the applicant seeking a request to reduce the minimum building separation from 14 feet to 10 feet. Section 11.2.4K of the zoning ordinance requires NUP's own property to maintain a minimum building separation of 14 feet. The intent of the SIR set budget is to ensure the adequate separation between structures is maintained, to meet life safety requirements and to minimize negative visual and noise impacts. The applicants letter of intent indicates that a slightly reduced SIR setback of five feet from seven feet lends to a more efficient SIR layout while maintaining the 40 foot perimeter setback along the North property line and complying with the common open space requirement. The 5 with side-yoursetback would also be compatible with the side-yoursetback establishing the Foxx and sub-division and maintain the minimum separation required between dwelling units to meet life safety requirements. Staff is the opinion the request of granted would be in harmony with the general purpose and intent of the zoning ordinance. Staff recommended approval of this rezoning and the concurrent variance. And planning commission also approved, recommended approval of RZ25001 and concurrent variance VC25001 with the following revised conditions. For condition number one, they added that the language part to any right away dedication at the end of the sentence. And deleted condition number 19, this was the reference to the decel line that I was mentioning previously. And then 18 is the additional sort of safeguards if you want to call it that, protections that they want to provide in terms of removal of fencing, trees, and putting up a fence for that clean aesthetic separation between Foxland and the proposed subdivision. Thank you. Thank you. And at this point, I'm going to open the public hearing. If you'd like to speak in favor of this, you have 20 minutes. Member I very members of the commission, thank you very much for hearing us this evening. This is not a whole lot of fun in terms of following the earlier one that you had in front of you. And I didn't think we had any opposition, but apparently we have some folks who just wanted to stay on. So hopefully that's not because they have a problem with this project because we certainly haven't heard about that until this evening. And any event I am representing the Providence group who is hardly a stranger to John's Creek with I believe it's Ward's crossing that they are now finishing up in this community. They will have over 2,000 units of housing and you all I'm sure are very familiar with them and with their quality Between Bell Bell Bell more park no wood Brook Mirror Marymont Aberley crossley Cressley buyers landing in Abbott's bridge place those are the Developments that have occurred in Johns Creek and I think you would agree and looking at them that they're very well done Which which is traditional of Warren, Jolly, who is the person prominently developed, prominently in charge in the Providence Group. I've actually been representing Warren and his related entities for the past 35 years, so I'm obviously getting very old. But in addition, Warren is one of the developers that I am most proud to represent. Because ten years later, I can look down the road and see one of his properties and say, that was one we re-zoned and we re-zoned it well and it is a quality community. Regrettably, that's not always the case. I hope it is most of the time. But it is certainly true in terms of the Providence Group. And of course, Warren's had his office right next door to this building for the past 20 I believe, or it's been at least in John's Creek for the past 20 years. So let me tell you a little bit about the project itself. We're talking about single family detached homes. There are minimum 3200 square feet and up, and all of this is part of the conditions or is on the site plan. So it's not being left to any kind of chance or guessing about what it will be. We are anticipating that our initial price points are going to range from 1.2 to 1.6 million. However, as was the case with no wood, which I think this is probably most comparable to, at you add on to that, if you finish bonus rooms, if you upgrade the types of appliances you're putting in or your countertops of that kind of thing even though it's very high quality to begin with we expect to finally go over those price points as well when the product is actually under development. Each of them will have 45 bedrooms, three to four bathrooms and two and three car garages at the preference of the purchaser of the property. All of this acreage is usable. Done of it is flood plain, none of it is on a stream or a river. We are not artificially inflating our density by virtue of counting areas that we cannot use in this property. We have more that approximately 11% open green space for the benefit of the community that will be created, which I believe is in keeping with your comprehensive plan goals of trying to make sure that there is usable open space in every new community that you create within the city of Johns Creek. We also are doing some things as was indicated by Ben that are the express requests of the members of the surrounding Fox Green community. And those are reflected in those last two conditions that were up there on the screen, for example, although we are certainly required to have a 40 foot setback along their property line at Fox Glen, we are enhancing that setback. We will have within the 20 feet closest to the property line an enhanced buffer and a shadow box fence, which tends to last a whole lot more than just a regular wood fence, a privacy fence, and also is obviously better than some kind of a security fence of a chain link nature. So we've committed to the top of the line in terms of fencing. Some of these folks have fences in their backyards now that are deteriorating, and as part of the condition we have committed that we will take theirs down, and we maintain for their benefit on their property the shadow box fence. When I say we I'm talking about the homeowners association it will be responsible for maintenance of things like the fence as well as the enhanced landscaping that we are putting on these properties. We are planning mature trees at least 10 to 12 feet in height. and if we can find them, we will go higher. But what are the things we also do in terms of landscaping, and this is expressly on our plan, is to mix the types of landscape. It's not just a row of Virginia pines that are calculated to be in a certain height within a certain period of time. We mix them with magnolias. We mix them with different types of trees, predominantly hardwood trees at that. So we are trying to create something that is aesthetically appealing as well as create a visual screen. And it's that kind of attention to detail, which I think has made Warren's project so successful over the years. We do have, as I said, a central gathering place on this site. One of the other things that we're doing here, and this has two benefits, one is we are using underground detention, which is a general proposition, at least in terms of where the residences are predominantly located. There is one open pond on what is now the commercial space, but in the AG1 property is all underground. And that enhances usable green space. It's expensive. It is not as efficient in terms of certainly the finances in terms of just letting the water run off and collect it and discharge it. So we are making this commitment of this project so that we can, we think, improve the drainage situation in terms of the neighborhood that's behind us. Right now, a fair amount of water is draining from our property, is the height and going back down into a ditch so to speak between us and the Fox Glen neighbors who boarded that property line with the 40 foot area. And by virtue of what we're doing on site, we are going to collect that water and get it off of them. So the type of detention that we are using has several advantages. In addition, we are going to be doing the best we can to coordinate in terms of attaching side yard fencing. There are folks that would like to tie into that shadow box fence, which we believe will be something that will enhance their own privacy, particularly if they allow us to substitute the shadow box fence for the fence that is on the property line. So we think we are presenting a really good product here. And what I'd like to conclude with, and I'm trying to move as quickly as possible, I know it's been a long night for all of you, planning commission offered us bagels, and I haven't heard that yet. But if you were so inclined. We don't necessarily want you to stay long. Oh, okay. Okay, that's a fair point. But in any event, I'll try to wrap this up as quickly as possible. Having done this, that's all right, I know. Having done this as long as I have, I'm very familiar with what was out here when it was unincorporated Fulton County and there was virtually nothing out here. It was all largely agricultural and then suddenly it started getting developed. And I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but Fulton County's response to that was to label the undeveloped property AG1. It wasn't because they expected farms to redevelop, it's because they put them in an AG1 district as a expressly recognized holding pattern. Knowing that developments were going to come forward, knowing that those developments would not be agricultural farming products, but instead would be slightly more dense or a lot more dense, depending upon where it was in the community, and recognizing that the land needed to be maintained that way so that it could basically invite appropriate development opportunities. That at the time we're going to be a fruit about a Fulton County Board of Commissioners and of course was taken over by you once the city incorporated with a mine towards I think improving above and beyond what Fulton County had tried to do. I think that's one of the main purposes you all were incorporated because you intended to do a better job of controlling growth within your particular boundaries. My point is that that A.G.1 piece is not going to be a farm ever. It is right smack in the middle of John's Creek. It is between commercial A.G.1 piece is not going to be a farm ever. It is right smack in the middle of John's Creek. It is between commercial on the front of both roads that border this area. And it is adjacent to a subdivision behind us, which has a similar density of 2.99 units per acre. It is a perfect site for a zoning step down in terms of comprehensive planning. And probably could warrant a a higher density But we don't want to push that by any stretch of the imagination because your comprehensive plan Recognizes that three units per acre on the age E1 piece and this specific piece at that I think it's paid 71 or 72 of your existing plan is Supposed to be three units per acre the only reason that the end density is slightly larger is because we incorporated that commercial tract. And it's not landlocked, per se. You can access that undeveloped commercial tract, but you have to do it without visibility from the road. So you would have to have some kind of clear destination-oriented use back there. It's never materialized in the entire time since the city has been around and well prior to it, I believe. And so we are bringing in a commercial base of commercial track and down-sowning it. And that's why we believe that in this instance we're abiding fully by the exact what the comprehensive plan says for this AG1 property and are then going only above it because of the addition of a commercial piece. The commercial piece is not the most attractive piece. If you were able to do a site inspection and go back out and look at it, there has been some storage uses out there but it's not been well maintained. I think improving it and getting rid of what is now in I-sort, if it's from degree, will be a big improvement to the Fox willing community. So we think that that will be beneficial as well. In terms of the variance that we are requesting, it is no different than the Fox Glen subdivision behind us. We will still have ten feet of separation between the walls of any units. And that is more than sufficient from a fire safety standpoint, which I believe your public of course, works department can confirm. So all we are asking for is exactly what our neighbors have. We did have some opposition at the planning commission if you were able to look at that tape. We offer to continue meeting with them and are in fact continuing to meet with them next week. After this hearing, they felt comfortable enough to say we'd still like to continue meeting. I don't believe any of them are here tonight and maybe incorrect. So I think we have pretty well worked with the community to derive a solution. They did have complaints as every neighborhood does about traffic and cut through traffic and people walking through their properties and that kind of thing. None of which are uniquely related to us, but that we recognize and try to address in terms of making sure that we do provide fencing and the likes so we're not providing an additional opportunity to be able to get people through improved property and into their neighbor. So with all of that said, we would ask you to accept the recommendation of the staff and the unanimous recommendation of the Planning commission and go ahead and approve the conditions that were presented to you this evening, which were perfectly willing to abide by and with the condition on the site plan that we presented so you know exactly what you're getting and go ahead and approve this application this evening. And I'd reserve any remaining time that I have for a bottle if I need it. Thank you. Thank you. Would anyone else like to speak on behalf? All right, saying none, then you can say that nine minutes for a possible rebuttal. Would anyone like to step forward to speak again? You also have 20 minutes. All right. Seeing none, I believe I can close the public hearing and council floor serves. I make a motion to approve. I've got a question. Yeah, you got a question. You can. As part of the. Yeah. Yeah. I make a motion to approve the Approved the M to 02025-0516 has presented I would like to second that motion, but I do have a quick clarification is it with the planning commission conditions or with the staff recommendation just to confirm. I mean as it was presented to us tonight was with planning commission. I just want to confirm. I agree. Okay. Thank you. So I second them. Okay. All right. So we have a motion. Thank you, Councillor Romelli. We have a second. or L-wood discussion on the motion. Ikska, THING. Thank you, Councillor Mellie. We have a second. Councillor Member L Wood. Discussion on the motion. I think the reason why I feel so confident about this builder is I walked into your neighborhood on Parsons Road and I thought that was very well constructed. And we were on the council when we approved it. And I saw that you were adhering to the standards which you promised at that time. I believe going forward you will do the same. And I also think that for me, the acquisition of this, the adjacent commercial property was something instrumental in me overlooking the fact that you're building a 3.29 per acre. Otherwise, probably I would have looked, it would have been better for me to, when you're doing it at three units per acre. But because you acquired the secondary property, which was becoming, you described it better. So that's the reason why I'm okay with 3.29 density also. All right. Would anyone else like to comment? I just have a quick question here. The applicant, please. So just on the traffic study that Kimberly Horn has done here, I know when you come out of the property on, on average, between 20, it's a right in, right out, exclusively. So, does the study talk about going east on 120 and how that U-turns going to occur? I do not, I think we simply address traffic generation on this one and whether our subdivision could handle what was going to be generated within the subdivision. Do you know whether it addressed? Is that correct? So I don't think that's been assessed. And I acknowledge that with the limitation of the turning movement, there are people who may have to turn around. The Fox Road is the only way in and out, but we can't help that. So. Agreed. I just didn't know if there was any analysis around. No, not specifically. No, sir. Okay. And I have been on the property. I've seen the property. I've seen a commercial property. You're right. This would be a vast improvement over that. Any on that back property line, if you will, is there going to be a normal six foot fence because it's all commercial? Yes. It's a back to the restaurant. Yes, we don't want to look at it anymore than they want to look at us, probably. Gotcha. Thank you. Anybody else? Any questions for Ben Song? Sorry, Chris Gohide. No, no. Because rather than bringing Ben there, if you have a question for him. Well, yeah, it is for director Song. Quick question. The, my issue is just with the concurrent variance. So it said Fox Glen has the 10 foot separation. Yeah, it's a five foot side or a setback. And so meeting the minimum 10 foot separation for a life safety code And then when you say life safety Life safety unless you have like a fire rated wall because you're so you're so close to one another typical separation is 10 feet That's it I just want like this guy the Planning Commission recommendation of remodel of item number 14. Yes. So can you? Yeah, we felt that it was valid. We supported the request from the applicant of the not deleting condition number 14. Based upon the number of trips, the fact that the speed limit on the property is well, sorry, a long fox drone that it didn't require for diesel lane to be incorporated. Okay, so you're comfortable with that deletion of this? Yes, sir, and it's been confirmed with public works as well. Okay. Thank you, Ben. Again, the applicant is not just addressing the strong water on their property, but that's also what you're doing on your properties also addressing the Fox Cleanse. So that's something we really appreciate. And you adding that commercial track which was going to be a landlock, so that's another extra mile you guys did. So thank you for being the big partner for that. Thank you All right, everybody else I'm gonna support this motion. I do think The primary driver is that the lack of economic use for that C1 and it just being a nightmare in terms of Just a dumping ground I I will ask that you all do your best to work with those of you that wanted to continue to work with you afterwards, but I do appreciate you all working with the neighbors to accommodate their needs. But thank you for investing, John Scree, you can look forward to this project. Alright, If there's nothing new, call the question. All those in favor? All right. Congratulations. No bagels. No item is an action item. It's a certification of the property tax rate and we have finance director Campbell here for presentation. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and members of the council. So we did discuss this item earlier in the work session. It is a request for the council to review and to approve the resolution to certify the 2025 estimated property tax rollback rate that's being presented to the county. And as we discussed earlier earlier it requires the approval of the governing body so that's the reason why it's brought for your approval. Happy to answer any questions. Does this have any, are we bound to this in any way, whatsoever? No, my understanding is this is a requirement with SB, it was 581 now now it's House Bill 92, that cleaned up the process and this is a required step. It goes on the property tax bill as an estimated rollback. It's a part of the revised process. All right, any motions, any questions? Question, oh, what Chris, you go ahead. No, I have a motion. Oh, okay. I just have a quiet then how was that? I think the mayor was going to ask. So that, how do you know that at this current moment, and if that's our current rate, how is that the rollback rate? Oh, basically the rollback rate that's being proposed is the current rate right now. That was based on the information that we had, which really was nothing so early in the process. The Councilmember Skinner, the legislation is asking us to check a box, and it's almost an impossible box to figure out at this point, because we don't have a digest. So the easiest way to put us out of our misery is perhaps to just go ahead and embrace this. And correct me if I'm wrong. We have the option of they are giving us the option of choosing whichever is most beneficial to the citizenry. The impact of the legislation is when they go through the process and do the math as far as the benefit of the floating homestead, whichever one is greater benefit to the city that or to the citizen, that's what they're going to receive the benefit of. Yes. All right. And then we will still do the normal things that we always do every year where we advertise. We'll still get the digest and figure out a rollback rate and all that cost. Correct. All of those things still will remain as the normal process. So I take this as just an administrative hurdle where they made you attend this council meeting to present this to get the signature. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. I make a motion that we approve a resolution certifying that 2025 estimated property tax rate. Aye, second. All right. Thank you, Councillor McCawfulawfulen. Thank you councilmember Erimelli is there a discussion? Seeing none all those in favor. Thank you. Thank you director Campbell. All right. Next item. Thank you we have nothing under other business which brings us another opportunity for public comment. Anybody for public comment? Come on up. Hello. Good evening. Late evening. City Council. This is actually my first time attending one of these. My name is Jane Neum. I'm a resident here, John Screek. I did not expect it to go this long. Actually, I'm here in regards to the new business, M1 for the development at Embryform Road, where I know council has, or I guess they've all left, but I just wanted to be the voice for those who couldn't really have a voice. I'm concerned about the rapid development occurring really everywhere. I believe that this development is sitting on multiple wetlands areas which are protected lands. I also heard the comment about the Merpa approval. It does seem a little backwards if the city approves this, then there's a chance that the state, I believe, could deny it based on those laws. Those wetlands are protected and I would hate to see some of this nature that we have. Everything's just getting so overdeveloped, what would be left for the future generations as well. I also read that in some of the records, some documentation I read that at a certain date, at a certain time, a certain species of bird was not observed. And therefore, it, it was like a protected species but because it was not observed at that specific time on that specific date that it was, it was not meeting the criteria of being protected in that area which as applicant stated is over 204 acres. I just want to question, is that the bar or level we're setting for protection of wildlife? So really, I just came here to ask these questions and to ask that those records regarding the wetlands and the applications be made available easily and accessible to all the residents. I value the remaining nature that we have and I hope we can preserve it. And I yield my time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Applause. Anybody else like to give a public comment? Hello. Thank you for allowing me to speak. Before I begin, I'd just like to say that we were residents of Johns Creek and as the neighbor I just spoke about the protected species, as far as I'm aware of that protected species is a species of crane and on our time like just around Johns Creek in our area, we have seen species of crane. So the fact that they just went there once and didn't see it really seems irresponsible considering what's at stake. And anyways, continuing on, John's Creek prides its dedication towards rural character, prides itself on ensuring the health of future generations, prides itself on preservation and tandem with growth, ensuring the children of today and the citizens of the future continue to explore and play in a community full of space, greenery and ease of life. Considering the current wishes to develop John's Creek, and ching precariously towards urbanization, we must tread towards the future with caution as some other developments presented here have done. Our shared vision of the future of our citizens' current health, of the legacy and foresight to care for future generations, depends on our decisions here as a community today. When evaluating development, scientific standards, the specific definitions of terms in their meaning, prevents against mistakes miscommunications. We wouldn't want an entire generation to remember our lovely community as long lines of traffic and waking up to the sound of construction, just because we couldn't define the difference between average density, median density, with a consideration to modes and data points. We as a community implore developers and the esteemed city council to consider whether projects convey only their average density, which statistically portrays falsehoods, when not considered along with the median. The average might lean towards outliers skew itself in the opposite direction than the modes and the data. Where data points crowds around certain areas. If most houses or industrial developments crowd each other with little to no room in between them yet the proposal includes pockets of empty space separate from most buildings that acts as an outlier. The data points are skewed. The average leans towards the outliers portraying an illusion as if the buildings held uniform space between them. The median therefore conveys the true overview of the data points, the true distribution, the true middle of the data, and it conveys the message that the deliberators must take to heart. The median, sorry, the median does not consider these outliers. If the modes congregate around crowdedness and the outliers lie far from the rest, then the median will sit closer to the modes. If we consider the concentration of houses and buildings, if we disregard the outliers skewing the data, if we consider the true middle of how many buildings sit on how many buildable acres, then we find ourselves equipped with the accurate knowledge we'll need to move forward into the future. I'm going to secondhand. I just like to say, like I might have graduated from high school here at Northview, but the rest of my siblings still have to go through, and I don't want them to have to go to school and have to deal with construction, especially construction that's impeding on their schools as they're going to school out to to deal with that because we've moved from areas where we've had to deal with that before. I would just not like that. Thank you for the time. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Bradbury and Councilmembers. I'm Amila, a current sophomore at Northview High School. I have tests to study for and work to complete, but I'm here because I want to state my voice as a youth and as part of the future of Johns Creek. I'm here because I could come prepared today and I'm not even a company that's so purpose is to do these sort of things. I have moved many times throughout my 15 years and coming to Johns Creek, my family and I have hoped this would be the last one. the place to set our roots in grow. So to just move here and see issues that are already trying to abroot us, and again bring us, and that are trying to abroot us again bring me here to this podium. I would like to bring up the concern of the growing pressure being put onto the infrastructure of Johns Creek. One lane roads, road work areas, and the most prevalent concern roundabouts. The current system is simply not fit to service the influx of people and vehicles that come with development. Busy roads such as McGinnis Ferry Road and Bell Road North are already failing roads with LOS ratings of E and F. As a student that takes the bus tune from school, I can see the issue firsthand. Whenever there is road work, especially near roundabouts, the bus can often be held back for minutes. Even this afternoon, there was a situation where a fire truck had to pass through single-lane roads, lines of school buses on one side and cars on the other side. As I'm sure you can imagine, the fire truck was practically brushing against the traffic on either side. This is not the worst possible situation, however. With the construction of roundabouts being even more considered, the issues that come along with them should also be. Not only do the majority of people feel that roundabouts are annoying and unnecessarily difficult to cross, but traffic can easily build up in the roundabouts, leaving emergency vehicles with no pathway through. The small lanes in the roundabouts in John's Creek also provide little room for larger trucks and turns can often be sharp. With all of this in mind, I implore the city to consider the limitations caused by infrastructure before rushing to develop land and introduce more people into the area. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Bradbury, Council Members. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak with you tonight. My name is Averheem and I stand before you as a student of Shagrack Elementary, particularly focused on the growing challenges we are witnessing in the Buckhead district. Buckhead has long been known for its thriving economy, upscale neighbourhoods and vibrant commercial activity. But alongside the rapid development and rising skyline, we have also seen troubling rising crime, one that seems to parallel the pace of overdevelopment. According to data from the land to police departments zone two, which covers backhead, we've seen a 200% increase in shooting victims since before the pandemic, a 129% increase in shooting incidents, a 72% rise in auto thefts, and a 39% jump in thefts of from vehicles. These numbers aren't just concerning, they're unacceptable. While some might point to external factors like the pandemic or broader economic issues, we must also acknowledge the impact of overdevelopment. As Buckhead has grown, high density housing and luxury retail have expanded at an unprecedented rate. But this expansion has not always come with necessary investments in public safety, infrastructure, or community engagement. The result has been an increase in traffic congestion, a strain on police resources, and an growing sense of vulnerability among long-time residents. The very qualities that once made Buckhead a simple prestige and security are now being overshadowed by the rising crime in public concern. There's the medley, there's MB farms, there's the makerspace, all these things will add to more overdevelopment in crime. We are building taller, denser and faster, but are we building smarter? This is not a culture-stopped growth, but a culture-balancing. So do you want to preserve John's Creek with being the second most safer city or in America, or be like Buckhead. Thank you. All right. Can I make a couple of things? Yeah. Well, I just wanted a couple of things to consider over the next few months since we're going to be back here in August. Is that I know this has been brought up several times that the Embry family absolutely deserves a right to also sell their land and they have that right as AG1. They can certainly sell it as is without having to have it re-zoned. They also were put on notice when they bought the land, when they did buy it, that the land had severe limited topography that would lead to restricted to development in the future. So this is not something that they could have fathomed that would hold 200 homes in the future. So that would be a false, it would not be a reasonable for them to think that they would be able to sell this to a developer who'd want to build it out to such an intense standard. And secondly, I'm Commissioner Councilmember L. Wood. You had mentioned in a couple of your other previous hearings this year about your concern, about the parking lot over at the Colleague Creek Park, and the fact that that lies in the Chattanootry corridor, and that we have to be very cautious with it being land that's very limited as far as disturbance is concerned and in pervious services and just to a note again that we have 73% of in-brew farms is within the Chattahoochi corridor and more than 50% of what to others is going to be building will be built in that corridor. So that's a lot of disturbance and they have to actually grade up all of the 90 homes that they're building along the Chattahooji because you know the sewers cannot be connected through pumps and lifts. They can only be connected through gravity. And also the fact that the city is having a lot of their projects funded via this project is a cause of concern for the community because we're supposed to be working in collaboration and when a case especially that we're supposed to be impartial towards has so many incentives built into it like the boardwalk along the Chattahoo Chi, like they're large around about the proposing and in addition the right turn lean which we all know was a city project for the comprehensive plan. If told brothers is all adding to it and contributing it by purchasing Fulton County School properties, well, that does make us, you can understand how we could start wondering where the loyalties lie of the city. Because you guys are incentivized. Additionally, the roundabout that we've been deferred to take care of, we all know and Commissioner Capson stated this in the hearing very clearly that this is a disaster waiting to happen. It has no standard across the nation. There has never been a roundabout proposed anywhere in the U.S. that has six legs to it, including two private driveways. In the last hearing, the applicant did actually say that it's just two homes as if they were collateral damage. So I'd like you guys to consider these things or the next couple of months as you're thinking about how to resolve this particular case. So that's what I wanted to just end with. Thank you so much again. Again, I'm not going to belabor this point. I know it's been a long night, good evening. All I would say is I'm an oncologist, and the most thing that we value is time with our patients, because that's what they come to see us for. And what we are doing to our community is wasting time. It's unfortunate. You keep asking us to work with Dem. Told brothers are presentative. He has lied and lied and lied to us. We are happy to work with any of you. We will sit down and develop this community. Why would we sit here all night if we were not wanting to be civically engaged? But please treat us with some respect. We are not the opposition. We want to work with you guys and develop this community. If someone comes to us the night before and says, we'll work with you, let's get a deferral. This is what's happened throughout the past four or five months now. It is getting tiring for us and that's what they want. They want us to tire. They want us not to come here anymore. Why do you want that as your citizens to do that? For a roundabout? As my wife has stated, he came to this planning commission earlier this month and said, those are just two lots. He went to Dr.. Debocker's house and told him earlier before the planning commission meeting this is a done deal. How do you expect this community to come to you guys and talk about community? Let's build a performing center, let's do this, let's do that. When you don't even respect the community members that are already there. You just keep asking us to work with someone who does not want to work with us. He has bought off our neighbors by building them a wall. How does that serve the community, it serves that one neighbor. He's working with our neighbors by building a wall. How does that serve the kids that try to go to that school right now? Would you want your kid to navigate around about with six legs? There are kids right now that run across the street from Shakerag to the school. I see that every morning. Now you're going to have a roundabout that they have to run around? How many crossing guards are you going to employ? And just, you know, I'm not a traffic engineer. I'm not nothing. Okay? But look at this. You have around about 200 home development coming out of 90 foot egress, two schools, fire station, two private driveways, and a circle, Roger Circle. And then you have Roger's farm that's going to develop next door. Right? You're going to do CUP zoning there. So you're going to have another 300 homes. How many roundabouts are you going to build? Because that's the traffic engineer's solution. Let's build another roundabout. So you're going to have six roundabouts on Roger Circle. Let's make some sense here. That's all we're asking. I'm willing to work with anyone here. Please engage us as a community. That's all we're asking. What do you want to ask the Macapult? What kind of? Yes. I'm going to talk a little bit more about the roundabout and also about the Roger Circle. Roger Circle has two exit, all on the railroad. There's no other exit. So regardless how big the roundabout you built, there's two exit there. You cannot go anywhere. Toe brothers told us all the plane. They're going to change this, going to change that. I'm an engineer. I looked at all the I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. I'm not sure if I can do it. The only solution is to top right that to lower down the number of houses. 200 houses for the number of the houses. 200 houses for the net and grows in the net. That's all confused about the growth of the net. They use the growth to calculate the number of the house. We should use net when you do the residential property. Use net. of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot of questions. All right, I think that we, with anyone else like to make a public comment. All right, I think we are. For all the recent ad public comments on your way out, the tall guy has a stack of public comment cards for the record to help us declare out we need to at least get your names. We, right, but. They all fill up with comments on my cards of my cards. Great. They should be in a stack of soap and the staff. But he walked out with this, so maybe he can just confirm that he has your name in the staff. Perfect. That's why I used my pen in the very beginning. We have name. All right. They're just trying to fulfill the requirements. I just didn't acknowledge you guys that I was trying to say my kids have filled up the public comment cards. And they stay here so late, they have school tomorrow to make this public comment because we fill out the cards and we're not acknowledged. So I'm sorry that you guys have poor, you know, record keeping, but that's the case. And we really appreciate your time. Thank you, you so late. That's why I That's why I raised my hand in the air. I respect you, and I don't understand why we were not acknowledged. My kids had to stay so late just for that. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry if there's a... We're... I'm going to put up our plans at the public comment department. Okay. All right, thank you. Thank you. All right, next item. Thank you, Mayor's comments. I'm not going to make any comments. We do have a need for executive session. Make a motion that be adjourned to the executive session. Second that. Discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? And off we go. I'm going to hold on to this because there are some things I want to look at. Thank you, Mayor. We are back. All right. So we have been at executive session and is there a motion to adjourn out of executive session? Mayor, I adjourn. I'm second. move to Jordan Abysik news session. All right, so we have been an executive session and is there a motion to adjourn out of executive session? Mayor, I adjourn. I'm second. I move to adjourn out of executive session. All right, fantastic. Thank you, Council Member Elwood. Is there a second? Yes, I did. All right, thank you, Council Member Erimelli. Is there a discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? All right, we are back and we handled four land to legal and one personnel. All right, any other, what's the next item? I moved that we adjourned this evening. Don't want to stay here? Okay. All right, all those are favorite of adjournment. And we are done. Good meeting.