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If you need hearing assistance, which you're hearing aid to the telecom mode. If you need a headset, we have those available as well. Please see the clerk to my left to request one. Subus of the crony will now lead us in words of inspiration, our prayer, and the budget of allegiance. By the time the crony. Thank you, Chair Randall. As we celebrate Earth Day on April 22nd, we lift our hearts and gratitude for the beauty of Loudon County. Lord, teach us to care for this land with wisdom and compassion. Help us protect its air, its water, and its soil. Give strength to the farmers who tended, vision to the leaders who make decisions about it. Encourage to the people who advocate for its future. Bless the people of Loudon County with wisdom to care for this land that we may work together to preserve what is good, restore what has been harmed, and ensure that this land remains a place of beauty and balance for generations to come. Amen. America. And to the Republic, which it stands, a mission under God in the physical will that we engage in strong will. I know that my colleagues who are not here up here with me right now are on the way, so as the fraternal supervisor of the Saints and the supervisor of Kirchner are all due to show up. So I think one of them is come in, two of them come from DC, and so they will all be here. Loud and especially people in the audience, there have been in the last, just the last hour, some pretty major changes to the agenda, and I want to go through those changes right now, because it may change if you want to stay here with us for the rest of the evening or not. All right, item number nine, which is led to 2023, that 0064, the Cross Mail Center ZMAP 2023, that 0064, Special Exception 2023, that 0006, Special Exception 2023 to 007, has been deferred to the May 6, 2025 Board of Business meeting for action at the request of the applicant. I should say this, when an applicant makes a request to defer, I don't think I've ever said no for their first request. Usually I'll say yes for the first and second requests, but by the third request, I started to say, no, we've got to take this now because we can't keep putting this off. So two things are happening in this meeting. The applicant for, well, not the applicant, the Walton Woods South writing special exception. It's in our AIR report, but it's in our AIR report for the May 6 meeting. If you are here to speak on that item, you can absolutely stay and speak on that item. You absolutely can. But just so you know, the AIR goes on consent normally. We will pull anything that's on the consent agenda off of the people here to speak on it But that item is not going to be heard tonight and it was on the a ii report for the for the six meeting anyway So if you want to stay stay if you don't want to stay that's fine The magnolia rose with within the past hour I would see the phone call from the applicant and asked me to defer that item to a future meeting. They did not give me a date certain. It was, the request was made via email and so I didn't speak to the applicant. I will call the applicant and find out when they want to defer it too. But right now that item will not be heard tonight because the applicant has asked for it to be the Ferd. I do not know why they asked for it to be the Ferd, but it is my practice. If they ask, I will say yes to that the first time, maybe second time, but not the third time. So if you're here to speak on mech, know your rose. Same thing. If you want to stay, You want to speak? Absolutely do that. That is no issues. But if you don't, because it won't be her tonight, then we'll see you next time that when it comes back. So I want to say that before we start, because I once had before we start. I also never ever do this, but tonight, I got to make sure I have my glasses before I do what I never, ever do. There is a man in the boardroom and I'm putting my glasses up because I can't see a thing without my glasses. So I'm just, it's just a blur. So there is a man who I think is in the boardroom. Al, are you here? Al, Van, Haik, are you here? There he is. I never do this. But Alvin Hike in Loudoun County is a legend. He is a Loudoun Laurel. He has been on every commission, committee, and board. He has advised people from all over the spectrum on policies and on issues. He has run for office once himself. And he is just an amazingly good man and an absolute legend. And I cannot have him in my board room without recognizing him. And although I almost never allow clapping in my board room, I'm going to ask, will you please stand up and we can give you a hand clap. Thank you, sir. No, it does not. It does not. But see, that's why I like him because you got to ask those questions, right? All right. So if I said the consent agenda is really long, which is a good thing. And so I'm going to go and read the consent agenda right now. Item R1, proclamation to declare April 13 through 19, 2025 is National Public Safety Telecommunications Week. That's for approval and presentation tonight, Mr. Turner, you're going to join me down front. Item R2 proclamation to declare April 20 through 26, 2025 is National Volunteer Week. That's also for approval and presentation, Mr., you will join me down the front. Item R3, Proclamation to Recognize April 20th through 26th, 2025, is National Infertility Awareness Week. That would be for approval only, and Mr. Frick Spinn will let us know, and we will talk about where to go to do an approval on that one Item R4 proclamation to recognize April 25 is sexual assault awareness and prevention month and louding County That's for approval only I will be going to the take back the night event this Saturday and presenting this resolution at 630 If you'd like to if anyone like to join us Item R5 resolution to recognize the 60th anniversary of the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy. That would be for approval and presentation, Mr. Turner, you're going to join me down front for that. Item R6, Proclamation to Recognize International Dark Skies Week, 2025 in Loud and Countess for approval only. Mr. Coney, is that yours. Who put that one forward? Who put dark skies forward? I did, did I? Matt, did I? What's my chief of staff? I might have. And I have no idea what we're gonna present that, but I will let everybody know in advance of that one. I thought it was you, Mr. Crony, because that's normally your thing. I know it is your thing, but we will find out. Item R7 Proclamation to Recognize 2025 is National Child Abuse Prevention Month in Louding County. That's for approval only. We are getting a hold of scan. Stop child abuse now to go join them with laws to present that item item R8 proclamation to commemorate bare housing month. That's for approval only item R9 proclamation to recognize April 26 is Earth Day. That's for approval only item 1A, the contract renewal, supply and installation, property and floor covering item 1B contract award, road construction, support services. It's a very long consent agenda, guys. I'm not even halfway through. Item 1C, contract award, construction support service for the Restor and Loud in County recreation complex. Item 1D, contract award, and FY 2025 capital improvement program. Amendment construction of the fire and rescue station, 28 Leedsburg South Station, item 1E, award authority to increase ambulance and emergency services and other social services vehicles, item 1F, award authority to increase capital improvement program, amendment technology products, services and solutions, item 1G, Award authority, personnel, computer, workstations, servers and services. Item 1A, disability services board, and your report. Item 1I, resolution authorizing the issuance of appropriate, backed bonds through the economic development authority of Loudoun County. Item 1J, resolution authorizing the issuance of sales of general obligation, public improvement, and refinancing bonds. Item 1K, fiscal year 2024, Loudoun County Community Services Board, annual report. That was on our consent agenda last time, everyone. That's twice on the consent agenda. Item 11, Western Loud and Recreation Complex Scope Modifications, item 1 in Construction, Contract for Shell, Horn Road West, item 1 in County White Risk Assessment and Internal Audit Plan, item 1o, Composting Initiative, Composting Initiative, Report and Recommendations, item 1p, How composting initiative, composting initiatives report and recommendations. Item 1, P, Howard's Field Community Wastewater System Connections fee waiver for vacant lots. Item 2, a appointments and confirmations. Item 3, administrative items report of April 15, 2025. One more reminder that Walden Wood is not on this AIR report. Item 4, resolution approving the issuance of the economic development authority of Loudoun County, Virginia, up to 18,500,000 multi-family tax exempt revenue bonds. Item 5, proposed establishment of residential permit parking district in the Richmond Forest community. 6. Resolution of to the men Doam 2025 that zero zero zero one loud in county facility standards manual standards for roadways over dams and Plants notes regarding maintenance and emergency access ways and fire lane identification and item 11 board member initiative, each east, east, beach, road, because I almost said, that can come out really bad. East, beach, road, quarter, safety study. That is the consent agenda. I will make a motion to move. Is there a second on that motion? Motion seconded by Vice Chair Turner discussion on that motion. I do want to highlight two things. Item 1P, the Howard's Field Community Waste Water System Connection Fee waver for the vacant lots. If anyone has been following this for the past six years, maybe more than that, many years ago, we had people in Louting County who were still using privies. And when I came onto the board, I found this out. I didn't actually know what a privy was because it's a very nice word for an outhouse. It sounds, it's a very nice word. And I was fairly, I was unhappy with that. I did not believe that anyone in Loudoun County should be using an outhouse if they did not want to and they did not want to. And we needed to hook up a wastewater system for them. It's a very long story, but some of these people have been paying much more in their real property taxes than they should have been paying. And so the fee waiver, we're giving them a fee waiver to hook up their wastewater system. I believe it's the right thing to do. I think it is like, I want to say it's somewhere between eight and 12 homes, so not a lot. So it's a very, it's one of our older, much older communities in Loudoun County and we just needed everyone to not have to go outside and use outhouses anymore. That's what that just was not acceptable to me and I want to say colleagues, please go and read item 1H the Disability Services Board and your report. It's very very helpful to read. We've been talking about some of the changes we're going to make to the county facilities because although we are meeting our minimum ADA standards, that's really not enough for me. I want us to do more than just meet the minimum standards for ADA. And so some of these things have been informed by the disability services board. If anyone goes to the facilities that are down on this floor, you can see the difference in how they are much more than just minimally ADA compliant. And so I really want to thank the disability services board for all of the help that they have given us as we go through the county facilities and make our county facilities as ADA compliant as we possibly can. And so the DAB board has the services board is really helping with that efforts. I really do want to thank them and please go read that report if you've not done that. Anybody else for the consent agenda missed to crony? Yeah, thank you, Chair Randall. So Howard's bill is in the Little River District, and as Chair Randall mentioned, the wastewater project has been ongoing since 2015 to address the public health issues in that small little village. Residents can now connect to the wastewater system for proper wastewater disposal, but currently no vacant lot owners have chosen to connect because it's so cost prohibitive and I want to thank Kevin Griggsby for sending in a fabulous letter making us aware of the cost, the high cost preventing community revitalization efforts in Howard'sville. So that's what this is about. It's to really revitalize the area and it's a small amount of homes. I want to quickly mention the Composting Initiatives report and recommendations. I sit on the Farm Committee of the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments and I learned about Arlington County's Composting program. Arlington County has a pilot program to collect food scraps from smart bins located at farmers walk markets near transit and near multi-family Properties there are 14 food scrap collection bins that cost about five thousand dollars for bin And I would like us to consider these bins at the nine additional food waste drop-off sites that are now approving for expansion. Composting builds healthy soils, and it would also be great for residents, especially our farmers in Western Loudon, to pick up the compost since July 2023. 480 cubic yards have been made available to the public and I'm hoping that we can make more Healthy soils available to our public. Thank you Mr. Crimes going to it's been through it's been through 16 I always say that because you were with me when we when we started this in 2016 was you you you were we did this together so it was 2016 miss Brickson. Thank you, Madam Chair. On the composting item, if you look in there and look at staff's presentation, they do have a demonstration of what these would look like at county facilities. And also I did ask the question about the compost potentially coming back to the county for fertilizer. but right now our compost goes out of the county. And so that staff said that they could be looking at that. I did want to, you know, a lot of stuff literally just flew by us from finance committee, and I just wanted to draw my colleagues attention to it and the public's attention to some of the things that went on consent and just mentioned that if you look at these items It's a demonstration as to how well this county is run and how responsible we are with taxpayer dollars and our fiscal policy We have a policy that our debt service has to be 10% or less of our county's expenditures. And the credit rating agencies do look at that and our ability to pay off our debt when they give us our bond ratings, which have continually been triple, triple A. Tonight we approved 124 million of appropriation backed bonds for things like the crisis receiving stable as station center school bus replacement and acquisition various improvements of county owned facilities. We also approved not more than 380 million in go bonds for projects that are very important including the Philomot Fire Station replacement intersection improvement programs and trails program, and various road and school infrastructure improvements. We also approved an expansion of the Western Loud and Recreation Center, and the reason we did that is because we have decided that we will be putting teen centers in our recreation centers moving forward. And so this will be our first time that we are actually putting a teen center in the recreation center, which we think is more symbiotic for lack of a better word than what we've been doing kind of standalone and or at the libraries. Don't worry, Cascade Library will be open for quite some time until we're able to put more teen centers inside recreation centers, but that is an important note. And lastly, I want, well not lastly, I also wanna thank my colleagues for supporting the Richland Forest RPPD. It's a residential parking permit for some of my constituents. They've been asking for for a little while. And then thank you for supporting the Earth Day and National Fertility Awareness Month Proclamations. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you, Ms. Bricksman. Yeah, I would concur with Ms. Bricksman's words. And I would say that so much of, if not almost all of the credit for how well we're doing, allowed in County accrues to our amazing staff. Mr. Hempstreet and the staff here advised the board and the advice as well. And so we wanna always remember to thank the people who should be thanked for the work they do for Loudin County. Supervisors, I made the motion for the consent agenda. Second advice supervisor, vice true attorney. I don't feel please say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass-3. All right, I have a couple comments this evening. I'm sorry? 6-0-3, I'm sorry, would I say? 6-3, it is 6-0-3, yes. Couple comments this evening. NVTA was this past Thursday, NVTA of which I am sure had our audit results to return to us. We had a clean audit at MVTA so that is very good. We did get all the numbers from our six year program and I do want to say that Loudoun County is receiving $55 million in MVTA regional funds for different loud and county projects, which means that's we did very well. I also want to say that for quite a few years, the greater Washington leadership program has asked me to take part in their program. And I've said no for quite a few years because it just takes a lot of time to do. And many of the meetings were going to be in the evenings and I have evening meetings and that type of thing. What this program is is they try to bring leaders from all over the DC metro area together, especially a lot of business leaders, CEOs and that type of thing. And we, one, network, learn from each other, those types of things. But for me and for loud, and it's also a way to talk to different businesses that maybe haven't entered loud in County. For whatever reason, in the Greater Washington Leadership Program, for the most part, it's mostly people from Maryland and DC. There's never been a person from Loud and County who's participated and there's only been, I think, one time somebody from Fairfax. I don't know why that is, but they asked me to do it. And so this time, I put my application in, so I haven't been accepted yet. I will not know if I'm accepted into May 23rd, but I have put my application in. There is a tuition fee to that. If I am accepted, I will use my office funds for that and I will come back to the board and let them know when that happens and what that will be. I won't know when that will happen until I get to the 23rd of May. So whatever meetings after that I will come back. They did change the meetings to be because I don't know I'm not sure how they meet in Maryland, but in Virginia most of the boards meet in the evening. So they changed them to be every Thursday from nine to 4, which will allow me to make my board meetings and all of the regional meetings and everything else. And I think they actually changed them because they were not getting a lot of Virginia involvement. And so I submitted my application, we'll see how it goes. And I will come back and let everybody know and let everybody know what happens and how that goes. I am really kind of excited about my voice for a cost today. I should have done it some time ago and we find out my information on that just going to be one second. Because, Mr. Crony, you're really going to like this and Mr. Ms. Brickman and Mr. Turner, because my voice for a cost today is loud and wildlife conservancy. So that's very exciting. And we have with us, I'm going to let Tom Kircherville introduce everybody who's come with you today before I answer questions, but ask questions. But the loud and wildlife conservancy is a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting, preserving, and habitats and loudens. Founded in 1995, the conservancy has grown into a volunteer driven community that offers a variety of initiatives including educational programs, citizens of science projects, and much more. All their efforts work toward the vision of a loudening county where people and wildlife thrive together. Tom, how about you introduce everybody who's with you today? Absolutely. And thank you so much for having us. We're so honored. So with me tonight is Amy Yuland, our board president and our stream monitoring program coordinator. And Trinity Mills, our advocacy specialist. So we're happy to have them. And many other representatives of our organization are here tonight as well. I know I saw them in the out of the way. First of all, what are your key programs and your key initiatives? Yeah, so our mission as you stated is very broadly executed as you'll see, but it's very simply stated to protect, preserve, and restore wildlife habitat. And I really want to underscore the volunteer driven portion of what you mentioned in relation to us, because we are a completely volunteer driven organization, and we would not be even in existence without our volunteers. Again, many of whom are here tonight, and some of whom will honor. In fact, last year, 2024, we had the highest volunteer engagement in our history with 625 volunteers donating over 15,000 hours of time to the five areas of work that we do to get back to your original question. And I could talk for at length on each area. So I know I have a very short amount of time here. So I'll be brief. So the five areas that we focus on are citizen science, which is providing the general public the opportunity to engage in legitimate scientific research, data collection, data observation to to help them contribute to answering real-world questions and solving local problems related to our environment. And our citizen science programs include stream monitoring, which Amy leads, amphibian and reptile monitoring, bird counts, butterfly counts, and blubber monitoring. And we provide a great deal of data in those areas, again, all through volunteers, who help us really not only prevent and identify, but also sometimes solve environmental issues in our local environment, our local ecosystems. Second area that we focus on is education. Talk about that more in just a moment. We offered 182 free educational programs last year to the public and those could be anything from bird walks to nature walks to presentations and lectures on a wide variety of subjects. Third area is conservation advocacy, which Trinity heads up here and I'm sure many of you are familiar with our involvement in that. We definitely work to educate the public on a variety of advocacy issues that affect the environment. We also mobilize our members and the public to feel like they can use us and we can amplify their voices through our organization. Habitat conservation is the fourth area and we do a lot of restoration projects throughout the year. There's one ongoing right now at Balls Bluff Regional Park, which is pulling the invasive garlic mustard plant in an effort to really help preserve our native spring ephemerals and Virginia Blue Bills. And we do quite a bit of that. And then finally, our JK Black Oak Wildlife Sanctuary, which is an 89 acre globally rare wetlands that we own in Lukits.. I know many of you are familiar with that. In 2024, we were recognized nearly 1,000 species of wildlife, flora, and fauna that are supported there. Many of them very unique and some of them even on the endangered side. So we're committed to really preserving that land for future generations to enjoy. So that was phenomenal. I know, it's a lot. There was a lot. You answered my second question. I'm going to throw a question to you that I didn't tell you I was going to throw it to you. So you talked about how to monitor species. What about bees? What about, I keep hearing that, you know, that we're losing pollinators and we're losing bees and honey bees and what happens and how do you monitor that? Yeah, well the pollinator program is one that is currently vacant with loud and wildlife and servencies, something that we have had in the past is something that we want to restore and revive. So with each of our programs, we have a coordinator who's really an expert in that area who leads that gets the volunteers together. So we recognize that the pollinator issue is definitely one that we need to focus more on. So from that perspective, we're just looking to get more volunteer involvement to revitalize kind of revitalized that program. What upcoming events do you all have? Well, two I'll mention. One is our Celebrate Birds Month, which starts on April 19th and lasts through May 18th. And this is a month-long celebration of the phenomenon that is the spring migratory season and the height of spring migration in our area. And a big part of that is our birdathon, which happens during that same period. And our birdathon is like a walkathon that we have teams for and sign up for. But instead of counting miles, they see how many bird species they can count. So you are all cordially invited to participate in our birdathon, which you can sign up for on our website if you like. You can form a team and fundraise for a loud and wild life. fundraise for Loud and Wildlife. And then the second event that's coming up, which is really exciting, is as you mentioned, we were formed in 1995. One of our founders, these team Joe Coleman is here tonight. We're so appreciative of everything that he not only has done, but continues to do for the organization. And we will be celebrating that anniversary at our annual meeting on June 8th here in Lee's Berk at the Adelie Recifation're just, okay, all right, that's amazing. Wow, a birdathon. Long live the time, I'm like, no, it's bird only. My people to do that. What is the best way for people to learn more about you, to reach you, your contact information? Yeah, really the best way is just our website, I think. That's the portal. So loudinwildlife.org. And when you go there, you'll find a wealth of resources. Would everyone who's here with the Conservancy please stand up? And we want to thank you all for, wow, thank you, all for being here today. Thank you so much. Thank you all. Very appreciate it. Thank you. Mr. Hempthrit, do you have any comments this evening? Yes, ma'am chair. I've got four comments for this evening. The first is that today, today marks the launch of the annual Solarized Virginia Campaign. Loudoun County homeowners have the opportunity to sign up to learn more about solar power options specific to their property. The program offers free, satellite solar assessments, streamlined installation, and discounted pricing on solar systems from vetted installers. The campaign runs through July 15th. More information is online at solariseva.org. Second, Latin County residents can discard potentially dangerous expired, unused and unneeded medications anonymously at several locations in the county on Saturday, April 26. The Sheriff's Office is partnering with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration and local police departments for the National Take-Back Day event. Tablets, capsules, patches, and other solid forms of prescription drugs will be accepted. Details include the location of the drop off sites are online at laden.gov slash take back. Third, the laden county public libraries, annual food drive begins this Saturday, April 19th. Donations of unopened, unexpired, non-perishable food items can be dropped off at any of the library branches from April 19th through April 27th. Donations will be distributed by laden hunger relief. During last year's food drive, the community donated more than 5,000 pounds of food. More information is online at library.loudon.gov slash food drive. And then finally, we are just one month away from the annual bike to work day event on Thursday, May 15th. Loudon County will once again host two morning pit stops along the Washington and Old Dominion Trail in Leesburg and in Sterling. Loudoun Transit and Community Services will also host information and registration events for Bike to Work Day on April 24th in Leesburg and May 3rd in Asperg. Details can be found at loud.gov slash Bike to Work. Those are my comments for today. Thank you. Thank you. We have our resident bikers Mr. Drixman and Mr. Turner are bike to work day people. And so yay. She ran those not biking to work. I'm really clumsy. Shouldn't happen. Okay, so we have the environmental awards tonight. the Environmental Excellence Awards. And the way we're going to do this, we're going to have the staff come to the table and speak about this first. And then Mr. Turner and I are going to go down front. And we will have, when each award comes up, it will be presented. And there will be a picture taken with the Turner and I. And then everyone will come back at once to take a picture of everyone and all the supervisors who are with us. So, staff please come to the table and we before Mr. Turner and I come down. If you have any presentations we can do those and then Mr. Turner and I would join you down for it. Good evening chair random members of the board, Mark and the assistant director with general services. I am pleased to be here to present the 2025 environmental excellence awards that is the board and the environmental commission's effort to recognize all the good work that's happening in Loudoun County. A little bit of brief background on the Environmental Commission Awards. This comes from the Environmental Commission bylaws, which state that we will hold a yearly awards program to recognize those individuals, businesses, nonprofits, educators for their leadership on environmental issues. We first did this in 2023, so this is our third year doing it, and every year it just keeps getting better and better. So with your permission, Chair Randall, I'd like to invite Jim Bingle to come to the podium to announce the award winners for 2025. And Mr. Turner and I are going to join you all down front. Mr. Bingle, where are you? There you go. Mr. Turner, let's go down front. Okay, sorry. you come down, I am going to let you know that I'm happy to share the Environmental Commission's environmental excellence awards with you today. Also quickly, I wanted to invite everyone to the Energy and Environmental Forum on Thursday, May 22nd, from 5.30 to 8 p.m. at the Academy's of Loudoun. So I'm also joined here, I'm not by myself. In the Environmental Commission, our Vice Chair William Marsh, and if you would please stand up when I mention your name, Mark Peterson, Robert Wilber, and Phil Daley, and Emily Southgate from the Commissioner all here. I hope I hadn't missed anybody. Okay, thank you for participating. We have four awards for activities conducted in the past year, and two lifetime achievement awards to present this evening. All of our award winners exemplify the value of individual and collective action to improve our community. So first I will call up Tanya Finch as the first of the winners to represent the citizen or community group award winner. Tanya Finch started an initiative called What About The Turtles to Protect Wildlife Impacted by Construction. Tanya mobilized community volunteers and coordinated with a local construction company and a wildlife advocacy group on a rescue operation for box turtles trapped in a construction site. This effort created a network of collaborators set an example for community-driven action and demonstrated best practices for protecting animals during construction projects. Oh yeah. Thank you. Oh, no. No. Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you. All right. So I understand that one of our awardees is in transit. So I'm going to go over past her and go to government employee or program team and invite Brian Karnes, general manager for Loudon Water and Paul Gilbert, executive director for Nova Parks up to receive this award. Loudon Water partnered with Nova Parks to create reservoir park along the shores of Beaver Dam reservoir, which opened on October 21st, 2021-4. the innovative park model intersects the reservoir's primary purpose of providing clean drinking water with benefits of open space, recreation and public awareness. Park infrastructure filters rainwater while also providing interpretive content to educate the public on water conservation and protection and provides a space for land and water recreation. Okay. Thank you. In the educator category, here to accept her award is Beth Sostray, who is the commercial horticulturalist for the Virginia Cooperative Extension in Loudon. Beth has provided bilingual training on worker protection standards to local growers and agricultural workers using an innovative outreach system designed to implement specific programs for hard to reach unique groups. In 2024, she conducted training for 147 workers in 30 vineyards supporting a year with no health incidents or pesticides bills. She has shared her practices with other counties and the state of Virginia. Thank you, Beth. Our student winner today, Ryan Nissay, was not able to be here to accept his award in person, but we're going to tell you about him anyway. He is a senior at Potomac Falls High School who founded and directs the Loudon Nature Conservation Project, an organization that encourages youth to take action in environmental restoration. LNCP has partnerships with 14 schools, parks and community organizations. It organizes its own cleanup events, connects students with local conservation organizations, and actively participates in environmental advocacy. Ryan has also conducted independent research monitoring water health in the county. So we'll give a recognition to Ryan in absentia. And then before I present our two lifetime achievement award winners or ask them to come up, these are two people I have the deepest respect for as leaders each in their own right, but it also seems apropos to share a little bit of serendipity in the lives of these two men and in the awards they are both receiving today. Our winners, Phil Daly and Al Van Haik, come on up while I tell this story, originally met as camper and camp counselor when both were much younger. It is safe to say that for many, early outdoor experiences provide a grounding in our future love and care for the environment. After many years and decades later, these men came to know each other again in Loudon, where their environmental interests became intertwined again. People demonstrate environmental excellence in ways both personal and professional, and these gentlemen represent both, demonstrate both. So first I'm gonna go with the younger of the two. I present to you our newest environmental commission member, Philaly who has been a force for environmental education, protection and advocacy in Loudon County since 1980. He has cultivated environmental awareness in the community through decades long volunteer work with multiple organizations including the Loudon Wildlife Conservancy, the Goose Creek the Academic Cinec River Advisory Committee, the Audubon Naturalist Society, Banshee Reeks, Nature Preserve, and many others. He has also been a change agent by leading and contributing to countless nature walks, youth nature camps, and citizen science projects, and regularly advocating for wildlife habitats. Phil has a long history of engaging the community, educating youth and inspiring people to appreciate nature through his own personal observations and love of nature. And now, do you want me to just go ahead and go on with that? Okay. Last, but not least at all, and I really appreciate your recognition of Alvenhike at the beginning of this meeting is Alvenhike. He has championed environmental conservation in Loudon County for half a century. Through grassroots organizational leadership, advocacy with government and communication in the media. He has shaped policies on natural resources, historic sites and agriculture. He has participated directly in county government taking on environmental issues during six years on the planning commission and four years on the Agricultural District Review Committee. He then was a founding organizer and leader of two important preservation groups, the Loudoun Preservation and Conservation Coalition and Friends of Blue Ridge Mountains. He also recently launched the Loudoun Cemetery Conservancy. Throughout all this time, he has contributed to the sustainability of a wide variety of environmental and other nonprofits that improve Loudens' quality of life through his financial support and family foundation, which annually provides support and grants to preservation groups. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you a hand. I'm going to give you the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. Yes. We got some more coming. I'm from Spirits. What? Everything? Thank you. any. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Well that was wonderful and fun and I congratulate everyone who received an award. An environmental excellence award and thank you to the committee. You guys are doing amazing, amazing work. Okay, we have another information item. We're going to be able to get to right now. It's the survey of residents. Now the results of residents, the survey of resident results. And if Mr. Govan and Ms. Cox can come up, please to the table. It's not available in the item. Yeah, but still. Good evening. Good evening, Chair Randall and board members. All right. So to me, my immediate right is Dr. Megan Cox from the Division Chief from the Department of Finance and Precurement, as you know. And to my immediate left, I'm going to introduce Ms. Sonia Wittick, I practiced that, Chief Operating Officer of Polkow, who will present to you the survey of residents. Wonderful. Thank you. We are. We are. Okay. So I'm Sonia Witting, CEO of Polko. Thank you for welcoming me here, board and administrator. We don't have the presentation up so I'm going to proceed with just from my notes. Is it the one that we have in our item? Is this the presentation we're talking about? That we have in our item? It's the same presentation, okay. Okay, so you do have the- We have it, the public can't see it, but we can see it. Later on, we could possibly post it or something so everyone can see this. Okay, wonderful. Okay. So starting out just, I'd like to thank Megan Cox for her thoughtful detailed feedback throughout this project. She was in the central part as were members of her staff in making sure that this was a success and also acknowledged Brandon Barnett who is on my team and he managed most of the work on our side of the partnership. And I'm just here to present. Just second slide, Polico provides tools to bring the voice of people to decision making. We strive to make online engagement efficient, effective and civil and we proudly contribute to thought leadership on survey methods, data analytics and government performance. Third slide. The jurisdictions we work with use our data to assess needs, monitor trends, measure performance, inform budgeting processes, build strategic plans and more. When combined with all the important context that you and your staff bring, it creates a foundation for really robust decision making. Fourth side. The National Community Survey is a standardized five page survey that focus on 10 facets of livability. It provides a full picture of how residents feel about and experience their community. And the facets align to municipal departments so there is helpful data for all county staff. Diff slide. How a survey is conducted matters and we use our expertise to ensure your results are representative. We select our sample without bias. We over sample multifamily housing units. We make statistical corrections for common disparities such as older adults responding in higher proportions than younger adults. This was the fourth iteration of the Loudoun County NCS. The survey was conducted in September October into last year. Extensive multi-modal reach was implemented to ensure a very high response. And 1,352 responses were completed, which is a very excellent result, much higher than most communities achieve. This results in a margin of error of plus or minus 3%, which again is well above the best practices for this type of survey, or below, I guess, smaller than. And the results were statistically weighted to reflect loud and county overall and further ensure representative this. So that's talking about when we get more older adults and fewer younger adults we re-weight it to make sure that it's in equal the correct proportions so older adults are not overly representative. So additionally you currently have about 3,000 subscribers on the Polk- profile, and these can be accessed for follow-up questions through our, um, through our engaged platform. Slide 6. Polkow was the first organization to create benchmarks of public opinion for local governments. We have the largest database, which has been maintained for over 20 years, and and county received comparisons to the entire benchmark database which we call national benchmarks and also to a subset of communities with similar characteristics which we will call custom benchmarks throughout this presentation and within the report. So on to the results going to the slide 8 to orient you to the chart in this presentation. Most questions in the survey were asked on a four point scale, such as excellent, you rated as excellent good fair or poor, or essential very somewhat or not at all important. And in the presentation, we present the top, the percent positive, which is basically the top two items combined. This such as excellent, percent excellent good or percent essential are very important. This is noted at the bottom of every slide. You can see on this one, it's percent excellent good. We also indicate comparisons to national benchmarks with shading, custom benchmarks with teal arrows and comparisons to 2022 with a green upper down arrow. There's legends on the left of each chart to remind you of these. If there's no icons or shading on the chart, that means they were similar to the comparative group. Either the trend. One second. Supervisor keep scrolling. Keep scrolling. Keep scrolling until you see the, until you see this page, the Lownin County, the National Con, so very result. And then keep scrolling up and you're fine with what she's talking about. It's under information items. Survey. It's under information items. There you go, Mr. Turner. It is not in staff presentations. It is under information items. All right. And then when you click on it, it keeps scrolling. And you're going to actually scroll to page 8 on our iPads to start the survey. And then if you keep scrolling, you'll start seeing, she talked about the demographics. That's on page 12. And if you keep scrolling, it actually starts on page nine, actually. OK, you see it? You're good? Hey, buddy, good? OK, thank you. No problem. And we are on slide eights. The facets of community livability. Actually, for us, it's nine. Oh, it's nine. It's not for us, that's okay. Then I will add one. Let me just change that. It's nine on the page. It's 16 if for us. That's okay. Then I will add one. Let me just change that. It's nine on the page. It's 16 if you look at page number of 43. You see that? So everyone, if you're looking up top, go to page 15. If you're looking on the actual page, it's page nine. That makes sense? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Good. So for the facets of community livability, this quality, you can see the ten facets of livability are in this chart. In the survey, we have two questions that ask directly about these facets. The first rates the quality of each facet. And we see here that the economic health and utilities are above the national benchmarks. So that's why they're shaded darker there. The second question, next slide. Refers those same ten facets, but centered on how important each facet is to your community members. So the question is asking the community what they think we should focus on in the coming two years. We ask about both quality and importance of each of these facets so you can have context by creating a quality importance comparison which we'll see on the next slide. So this chart which is also in your report can be used to help a community determine which areas may need additional policy focus or resource allocation in the coming years and which others are performing well by comparison. It shows areas of relatively higher importance that may have lower quality ratings from residents. Here, community design and mobility have larger gaps and potentially need. These were both similar to national and custom benchmarks, but mobility ratings did increase from 2022 to 2024. Next slide. Of the 123 survey items that evaluated characteristics or services, most were similar to the benchmarks, specifically higher than the custom benchmark was loud in county as a place to visit. And lower than both benchmarks were cost of living availability of affordable quality housing and loud in county as a place to retire. Next slide. When results were compared to 2022 in 2024, 21 received ratings that were statistically significantly higher. 93 received similar ratings and 11 received slower ratings. A few of the higher were available availability of affordable quality mental health care, affordable quality childcare and preschool Community sports for the arts opportunities to attend culture and arts music and music activities and Treating residents with respect a few of the lower were employment opportunities Feeling safety feelings of safety from property crime Street cleaning and air quality, but there's all the details report. So if you look up, they actually found the report and now they have it in front of us. Oh, awesome. Next slide. So onto the key findings, the first finding is that Loudoun County continues to be a great place to live. Next slide. About 80% of respondents had excellent or good ratings for Loudoun County as a place to live, the overall quality of life and the overall image of Loudoun County. In addition, 8 and 10 planned to remain in the county for the next five years. This was similar to the benchmarks and remains stable from 2022. Second finding was that resident ratings were on track. Rating items related to Loudoun County's governance tended to be positive and on par with benchmarks. The county saw improvements in three ratings, treating all residents with respect, treating all residents fairly and being transparent. These are increases of 5% to 7% from 2022. value, natural and recreational amenities. Three quarters or more rated the most aspects of parks and recreation and the national natural environment is excellent or good. Ratings for cleanliness and recreational facilities were better than the national benchmark. Air quality ratings did drop from 2022 but only by 4%. Note also that this is perception data and not a measurement of particulates in the air. This may be related to concerns about the growth of data processing centers and it's a topic that might benefit from additional questions using our Engage module and the 3000 folks who are subscribed to your profile. It's concluded in your subscription if that's of interest. Residents viewed Loudness economy as a strength. Ratings for most aspects of economic health were above the national benchmark. It's just something that, you know, I do some presentations all over the country and this is a rare view to see. So you should be very proud. Loudoun County as a place to visit was also on the rise. There were, the NTS has space for available for communities to ask unique questions about special topics and areas of interest for your community and you did ask a couple questions. First, we asked residents what influenced their decision to use public transportation. and availability were the top influences followed by avoiding traffic. Affordability and environmental impact were less of an influence but still impactful for 60% of respondents. Repeating a question from 2022, residents were asked which types of affordable housing were needed in the county. Smaller, detached single-family homes topped the list with an 11% increase from 2022. Townhouses and roadhouses and detached single-family homes were next in importance, both increased by 9 percentage points from 2022. Roughly 7 in 10, we're looking for more duplexes in the and apartments or condos, and half or fewer were interested in tiny or mobile homes. So in summary, Loudon County has a high quality of life. The residents had good ratings for your governance. Natural areas and recreation opportunities were very appreciated, and your economic health is a great strength. That was the quick summary of the survey results. Again, there's a lot more questions that we didn't cover and I know that the staff is diving deep into them. Wonderful. Suppose I know you didn't have the presentation for some of it, but just in which you said do you have any questions or comments? Ms. Bricksman. Thank you. Could you go back to the governance slide, please? Okay, so being open and transparent to the public went up by 5% or more. Otherwise, it wouldn't have that arrow going up. That's correct. Okay. And how the national, okay, so that's the national benchmark. Yeah. So we are basically similar to the national benchmark. Okay, so but the 47, 48, and this might be a question for Mr. Govon. So now what do we do with these results? For example, we'll staff look at this and say, okay, how can we better inform residents about issues facing the community or how can we be better about being open and transparent to the public? So the next plan is to work with our departments and offices to have an interest in the survey of residents. I know that we are looking at, like for example, in DEI, looking at some type of coordination or doing something with this data. We're also looking at any other annual studies or surveys that we can do as well. Okay, and were there any statistics on inclusivity that I missed? The statistics are in the full report. We also have an engagement and inclusivity facet. Okay, but it wasn't in the slide presentation. I'm wondering how we did on that. No, it's not one of the key findings. It wasn't one of the key findings. Okay. And did we ask about sustainability or perceptions of sustainability and environmentalism at all? There are some questions in the natural environment facet. And I would say I think one of the key things that like so in the report there's an interactive online report that's got a lot of depth of data. And one of the things that a lot of communities do is I think that when you're looking at these issues, it's looking at disparity analysis and not just like what the main top line items are. In our presentation, we tend to stick to that because it's a short presentation. But you can look at any of the hundreds, more than 100 questions asked, and look at it by different demographic groups and also areas in the community. So that's a way that most departments usually deep dive a little on the questions that are specific to them and their work. They'll look at the disparity among different people. My last question, recreation programs or classes, that would be more like a PRCS parks and rec services, whereas quality of parks and recreation opportunities would be more outdoor if I'm reading that correctly. Okay, I'm really happy with those numbers. Thank you. Ms. Glass. Thank you, Madam Chair. And Thank you for the presentation. Very insightful for what folks see of us in the community. So you said that we had about 1,352 respondents out of sample of 6,500 and And you said that's a good number of folks that participated? That's an excellent number. It is. So, it's basically valid is basically for at a 5% margin of error. You need 358 respondents. So, and that is honestly what most communities are working with. So to have three times, almost four times as many as that is really excellent. Okay, thank you. Mr. Croni. Thank you, Chair Randall, and thank you for the information. So you mentioned with the 81% on the air quality how that's gone down. You mentioned it might be worth doing a deep dive further analysis. What could you explain? You mentioned maybe with the data centers. We just had a conversation about air quality when we were speaking with staff. They were puzzling about why about why that would have gone down. But it feels like the air quality has not really. And so that was one of the ideas. But I think whenever you see anything that you're just like, that doesn't check quite, you know, this is all of survey data is perception. And perception is incredibly important. I would say it's the number one outcome that you should be measuring thinking about when you about, you know, as a report card for your work, for your collective work. So, but it is perception. So it's very important if you see something like an air quality rating, like to look at the actual what is the air quality as measured in the air. And if there's a disparity, if the air quality is continued, is maintained its actual quality, but the rating has gone down, then it's something to think through what is the public seeing, what is the public hearing. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, yeah. I would really love to have a deep dive of why Loudoun County is a place to retire, kind of deep because that seems to be an area that we were low on. We're working on affordable housing. But is there any plan to kind of look at area of aging to maybe deep dive on that one? I think that's a good one to look at. If I could just say I was speaking with Mike, Megan. We're both working on getting our names right. Earlier and my company did do a statewide survey of older adults with Virginia, with Dars. And I think it was in like 2023. And so I was going to connect with the, make sure she was connected to that data. Because I don't know if it was sort of done through Dars and Triple A's, but I don't know if counties were specifically No, that that happened and that that data is available so that could be a starting point in terms of Really digging deeper on why okay? Thank you Thanks, I'm sure So I'd notice that A fairly low percentage of our residents who responded to the survey watch this meeting and I completely understand why they don't. And they don't necessarily, not many, reach out to you you you on the national benchmark for it. So it's pretty common. I think it's usually in partnering and with other groups and trying to meet community where they are. And much as you can do that, that can be really helpful, but you're still there are people who are not necessarily like they're too busy to be engaged with, even, you know, like community groups that they haven't affinity for, right? So if they're not that engaged, if they're just engaged in paying the bills and doing all that stuff, it's just going to be hard for them to prioritize getting the information because you can provide it in as easily and accessible as you possibly can. But there's still that two way, I think. So, again, the overall, I would say the communities who do it best are just thinking about who their partners are in the community, where they can share out information, and how you can you meet people where they are at. Thank you. Mr. Turner? Thank you, Matt Chair. I was curious. There was a huge jump between 16 and 18, 2016-2018 on respondents like 80% more respondents in 18 than in 2016. It's leveled back off again to about 40% increase. Can you recall was it the mode that we sent out the survey? I mean what changed in 18 and did we duplicate it in 2022 and 24 so what changed is that because response rates to just Randomly sampled surveys have been read going down over the years everywhere We We started using more modes of outreach. So we engaged the staff and created, we have, Polkou ourselves, we have an outreach tool kit for each city that we work with. And again, it's kind of like what I was just saying, it's about, you know, having staff engage with community partners getting the word out, using social media, using email lists, using whatever you can to say, hey, please participate in this survey. To sort of put a little bit of rails on that, we continue to have a randomly sampled survey and we keep the analysis of those separate and then we use statistical waiting to bring them together to ensure that if for some reason we felt like from the other modes we were getting a skewed sample that we could either not use it or do if create make some statistical adjustments. But basically we just recognizing lower response rates and needing to meet the community in more places and where they're at. We engaged with your staff to make sure that there was really good robust outreach. So it's really good to them and a lot of work on their side and a little bit of advice on our side. Is it fair to say this is a completely subjective question, if you don't answer it, I give your permission not to answer it. But would you say in relation to communities around the country, average communities, that we are significantly receiving significantly more positive ratings than an average community, somewhat more average? How would you characterize that? I was, frankly, I think these are extraordinary results. I think this paints a picture of a place that is one of the very, very best places in America to live. I mean, that's what I think it represents. I'm biased. Is that, could I back that up with this data, that opinion? I think that, you know, like overall, I would probably, you know, as a statistician, I would say that you're actually similar to a lot of the benchmarks. So, and you're over above the benchmarks in a good proportion, but not as striking proportion. There are a few communities that, like quite frankly, have a lot of money that might be above the benchmark on more aspects. But yeah, I would say that you can say that you're in a quite a remarkable community. Well, I appreciate that. And corroborating what my impression was on what the key findings started in 14 to 43 if anybody wants to look at the highest performing areas. Our economy, our economic health, place to visit, place to work, ease of travel, Kate through 12 education, opportunities to win cultural arts and music activities, community support. My gosh, if you had listened to the political rhetoric directed at Loudon County for the last five years, none of this would have come to anybody's mind. I will say that it's super remarkable on the economy to have that many items that are above the benchmark. And I want to use just that I'm out of time but this is a political year. What's the member of the sir? Thank you. Thank you. I want to just highlight some of the departments that are doing and have always done it exceptionally well and especially our public safety. The highest survey results period the end is and has always been fire and rescue at 93%. Next highest is our libraries at 90%. And then our Sheriff's Department at 81%. So great job to our employees. On page 12, if you compare impressions of federal government to the Loudoun County government's effectiveness, federal government's 51%, and Loudoun County is 74%. So a little better, a little better than federal government. I also want to say that, and this is important, kind of speaking to Mr said whenever we have a discussion about housing there's a lot of screaming hollering and yelling that we you know people don't want houses if you look at these results 47% of people agree that we need more affordable housing in the Louting County. 23% say they somewhere degree only 11% are 18% say they disagree or strongly disagree. And so remember this supervisors, we start talking about housing. People know that we need more attainable housing in the county. And the numbers and I've lost a page for transparency in the county have gone up significantly. So people think, even they don't hear as much as they want to hear, they do believe we are a transparent government. And so these are good numbers all the way around. And once again, I want to say this, we cannot look at these numbers and not directly attribute these numbers to amazing staff in our county. The both county administration, but all of our line staff, we have the staff in any county government or public servants. And these numbers do not come because the nine of us, and we're great, we are wonderful and all that, but these numbers are not because of the nine of us. They are because of the staff, and they're working, I mean, fire fighters of the fire and rescue Services of 93% not one of us have put out a fire in the past many years, I know we haven't. So these are numbers that attribute to the incredible staff in Louting County and we should absolutely just never forget this, forget that. I also want to say that it's interesting that people are saying that they like to have more volunteer opportunities. Listen people, I do a voice for a cause every single week. There's lots of opportunities to volunteer if you're in Loud and County. If you want to know, you can absolutely email my office and we can tell you about great volunteer opportunities in Loud and County. But overall, these are very good numbers. I do want to know a little bit more about Mr. Crony said about the perception of air quality, because I think that's probably true, that perception comes because of data centers. But overall these are great numbers, and I want to thank you all, and I want to thank our staff. Thanks so much, we appreciate you. Okay, supervisors, we are a little bit early, but I think we might have all the people we need to have here for some of our proclamations. I am told that laws has walked into the room and even without my glasses, I can see the laws has walked into the room. Thank you for here. Thank you for coming. I am coming on Saturday with colleagues to do the resolution at your take back the night night. We will be there on Saturday which I think goes from six to eight. I'll be there at 630 to reach the resolution. I think it's more powerful to go to you to do this and you all to come here because there's going to be a lot more people that take back the night who need to see that resolution than here today. So we're going to do that resolution with you all on Saturday. Okay? We'll see you there. Hopefully we're going to take back the night in the sun and not in taking back the night in the rain because hopefully it's a big weather, but we're going to be there with you. Right now, though, we are going to do some of our proclamations. We're going to do the National Public Safety Telecommunications Week. And we're going to do the National Volunteer Week. And we're going to do the last one we're going to do. Oh, The resolution for this 60th anniversary of the Criminal Justice Training Academy. But right now we'll start with the National Public Safety Cali Communications week. What my staff please meet me up front with the resolutions in hand, unless there's somewhere on the day is. They're probably back there, I think they're back there. Yeah, once you go up there and grab them, it's a turnaround. You joined me down front and I have the microphone already. I know. It's a lot of them. It's a lot of them. I have some. You know, well, you can let us know. You want to know something else. I can just let you know that. I'm not going to let you say it. So I'm good. Thank you. I am not. I'm going to have a second. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up to you. I'll give you up'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, where is he? Oh, okay, animal services there you are. No, well, he's not here. Okay. I do want to say before we start that to animal services to Chris, I want to say this to you. A couple of nights ago I was with somebody and we saw unfortunately a deer get hit. And I immediately went, we got to call it animal services. And the person didn't know that you guys are like always have somebody on call. And so I don't know if people always realize when we talk about public safety, why are animal services is part of public safety and all that you all do. So I just want to point that out. The somebody's on call all the time with you all's office and we know that and we appreciate it very much. All right, I'm gonna read it. Okay, National Public Safety Telecommunications Weeks. Whereas emergencies can occur at any time that require the prompt response of law enforcement firefighters, EMS providers, and humane law enforcement officers to protect life and preserve property. And whereas when an emergency occurs, Loudens Public Safety Telecommunications, telecommunications are the single vital link between first responders and people thinking immediate relief during an emergency. And whereas the safety of our law enforcement officers, firefighters and EMS providers is dependent upon the quality and accuracy of information obtained from citizens who call or text the Loud and County Emergency Communication Center. And whereas, Loud and County Public Safety Telecommunicators have played a pivotal role in the apprehension of criminals, the suppression of fires and the emergency care of all patients, all while consistently demonstrating on wavering compassion and professionalism. Now, therefore be it resolved that the Loud and County Board Supervisors does hereby proclaim the week of April 13th through 19th, 2025, is National Public Safety Telecommunicators week in Loud and County. The Loud and Campus Supervisors, Loud and County Combined Fire and Rescue System, Loud and County Sheriff's Office, and Loud and County Animal Services urge all residents to honor the men and women's whose diligence and professionalism keep our county and citizens safe. She's a chief volumes. saying, chief Williams, and to the law enforcement command staff and to the animal services. I'm going to hand you a little mic. You can say whatever you want to, but I do have one question I do want to actually focus on today. I think sometimes when we talk about the importance of behavior and mental health of our officers, we often think of people who respond. But I often think that people who are on these phones and listening to the crisis or the trauma happening, don't always get the same closure because they're not always there to do that How do we respond and make sure we take care of the mental health of our telecommunicators as well as the mental health and of all of our first Responders, but how do we respond to that because I don't always think that we give enough Focus to the mental health of telecommunicators. And chief Williams, you get to go first. Ha, ha, ha. Madam Chair, thank you very much for the opportunity. So there's a piece, when I reflect back on my training, it was about 30 something years ago. I did time as part of that initial training in the communications center. And I remember some of the calls from 30 something years ago where the 911 calls came in. It was a mutual aid fire between Montgomery and Prince Georgia's County. There was no electronic CAD to CAD. So that was chaotic. There was a thunderstorm coming through with the belt way. And then Mother came home to find her child in it with the dramatic injuries. So all of those things stay with me 30 years later. So I want to say how very much I appreciate what you guys do day in, day out. I appreciate the chair's question because I think each of you or I hope each of you know how important behavioral health is to me. And we do have members of the peer support team who are telecommunicators. We provide them access to our wellness center and our behavioral health coordinator. I think there are opportunities we can do to continue to improve that. Because I think you're right, when the call hangs up, they take a beat breath and then the next call comes in. And that may not be the best way to, you know, rehabilitate from that, dramatic exposure. So, I appreciate you guys. I appreciate you guys too. I appreciate all of you guys. But I know what you, the job that you have is very, very difficult and obviously extremely important. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to walk down here to you, Chris. Thank you, Chair Randall. Yeah, as you know, I've said it many times before my brothers are a supervisor over the ECC, so this means a lot to me. I've had the occasion in my personal life to have to call 911 and even though I'm CIT trained and seen as much as I've seen during my career, it's those calls that knowing somebody on the other line that is confident, calm and also compassionate is what gets you through those moments. And those moments have stuck with me just as much as the moments that I've seen on the job and the work that we do. And to Chair Randall's point, I think that we can never stop trying to improve the mental health of the people that do this work. I know for our department it's something that we strive for, we have trainings for, we try and make sure that people are aware of the resources that are available to them. So it's something that we don't ever want to overlook and we want to put it at the forefront. But I can't thank the people enough that do this job. It is such a crucial job and it helps the people in the community from the word go at the time when they're most needed. So thank you very much for what you do. Thank you. You and I never talk. Thank you. And I would just echo the partnerships we have in telecommunications is just incredible. But also just echoing the thanks to all of our public safety telecommunications who do a phenomenal job. And the trauma is definitely there. That exposure of taking those phone calls. And sometimes it's really acute where you have a one extremely difficult call. We just had one over the weekend, extremely difficult call. And that can trigger trauma. Sometimes it's just a build up of little ones over time. That it's just over and over repetitive for us domestic disputes and things like that. And since we've now gone to universal call takers, we're actually seeing I think this, you know, some of the cross, the aisle calls that were, you know, used to just be ours on this side and yours on that side. And now we're getting exposure to each other. So that, you know, that opens up things there. So our peer support team is, I think, really vital to that. We have members of our peer support team in our emergency communication center. We are super excited to have our behavior health coordinator now on board that will be able to do again. Some of that more acute, but also some of the long term. Thank you very much. No I just wanted to add on in virtually all of these circumstances this is the first voice somebody in dire distress here. The responsibility of that position is acute and lasting and life changing as we've heard here. So I just can't thank all of the telecommunicators in our first responder network and community enough. This is just extraordinary work and really, really valuable. I completely agree. Thank you. I'm gonna give one to each service. So one to animal services, one to sheriff's office, one to fire and then we're gonna figure out how to take a picture, which good luck. I'm not going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. 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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to go to uh, can I have my... Mr. Christian, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bricks. We're going to do the proclamation for the Criminal Justice Training Academy, and Mr. Himstree is going to join us down front for this one. And Chief Brown, you're coming back down as well. Training Academy, Mr. Himstreet and Thank you Hey, how's it going? I am well. How are you doing? Okay? We have a proclamation for the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy. Whereas the Northern Virginia Police Academy was established on April 5, 1965 by Alexandria City, Allenton County and Prince William County, not loud enough. Okay, and whereas the Academy Charter was amended and adopted by the counties of Arlington, Loudon, and Farqueer, the cities of Alexandria, Fairfax, Falls Church, Monaces, and Monaces Park, the towns of Leedsburg, Middleburg, and Perseville, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, and the Metropolitan Washington Area Transit Authority Authority in 1988 and officially renamed the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy. And whereas the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy's gold is to provide professional cutting edge training and support to our member agencies personnel and the greater law enforcement community and has been nationally accredited since 2004. And whereas the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy continues to provide basic and professional development training focused on fundamental policies of 21st century policing for over 2,500 police officers and deputy sheriffs. whereas for 60 years, the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy has been committed to serving the community through commitment to the fundamental principles of criminal justice. Now therefore be it resolved. The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors does hereby recognize the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Training Academy on their 60th anniversary and extends their gratitude for the steadfast dedication to the citizens of Loudoun County. Chief Brown, when I met you, you were in the Sheriff's Deputy, and then you became the chief of the Leedsburg Police Department, and now you are over the Criminal Justice Academy. So you have been in multiple areas of law enforcement in this county and actually involved in multiple areas of law enforcement for the state and for the nation. So I'm going to have you speak, and then I'm going to see what Mr. Himstreet might want to say. Thank you, Chair Randall. And thank you for this recognition. I co-chair Randall up our center of text and said, hey, can we do this? And her and her staff did not hesitate to respond and kind and work very quickly to put this in place. If something that I wanted to do for the 50th anniversary, because I was a co-coordinated for that. And it just didn't come across by mine, but it's much work as the staff of the Academy has done over the last 10 years, I figured we'd get a recognition this time. So I definitely appreciate that. Now, as you can see, the Academy's history has evolved numerous times throughout the last 60 years. But one thing has not changed, and that is training excellence from the beginning. continues to grow grow we continue to get very innovative and poor a whole lot into making sure that our deputy sheriffs and our police officers and our Dispatchers are highly trained and ready for this highly stressful Environment that they go into so on behalf of the Academy and on cap behalf of the board directors, which I will turn it over to our chair, Mr. Himsley here shortly, I extend my thanks and gratitude for giving us this recognition. We appreciate it. Thank you. I have one quick question. Is this also where the police, the animals are trained, the police dogs are trained, are they trained at this academy as well? No, they are not. And where are they trained? they're not trained at our academy. Our academy is a 16-member agency, as mentioned there. And our actually very internal, we do extend ourselves for in-service classes to everybody in the area. So we do welcome folks in when they want to come in and a particular class that they want. Lauren Forsbink can look on our website. Call our coordinator and we usually get them in if we've got a free seat for them. All right. Just thank you, the board, for C4. All right. Just thank you, the board for the recognition. Thank you, Director Brown, for all the work that you do and the team does out at the academy and then absolutely to the sheriff's office as well as all the other partner agencies that provide instructors to the academy as part of the curriculum. I think it's a great thing that's been around for 60 years and we'll keep going and working at it. I just want to add one thing. He's a very humble man here, but Mr. Himsrey came on as our chair roughly about a year and a half, two years ago. And it's very challenging having sat in several capacities at the academy from a recruit to an instructor, to Deputy Director of Basic Training, then on the board of supervisors myself, and now back as a second director, I know the folks that sit around at that table, and it can be quite challenging with a whole bunch of A-type personalities. And I just wanna give Mr. Himstreet his due to say he really does orchestrate and guide everybody around that table towards consensus and makes the academy a better place for it. So I want to appreciate this man right here. So thank you. The attorney wants to say anything? So as a member agency, we are very much indebted to the academy. And actually, obviously I was just trained as a recruit there. I was an instructor there for a while as well. So I've seen it firsthand. And one thing that really strikes me about the Northern Virginia Criminal Justice Academy is that they train well and way above the required minimum standards. And that makes a real difference to the service delivery that is delivered around the northern Virginia area. And it's because of the staff and the standards that they have at the academy that law enforcement in the northern Virginia region is as good as it is. So thank you. Right, let's take a picture. So you and I are going to trans places at this moment. Okay. Everybody come down for volunteer appreciation week? If you were here for volunteer appreciation week, can you please come down? Volunteers, meter you introduce yourself to me like I'm the Blackbeard never met. I'm going to have Mr. Turner read this one. Hello. A proclamation for National Volunteer Week, whereas throughout Virginia's history, citizens have actively volunteered their time, talent, and energy to serve and improve our communities to make our commonwealth a better and safer place. And whereas the hundreds of dedicated volunteer members of the Loudon County combined fire and rescue system, selflessly donate their time as first responders and in critical support roles for the system. And whereas volunteers of the catalysts that create positive changes in our communities by bringing their compassion, their time, their ideas, their talents, their technical skills and professional expertise to strengthen and help our county flourish. And whereas these trained and organized volunteers, our neighbors are summoned to a wide array of emergencies across the county every day, including fires, emergency medical incidents, natural disasters, hazardous materials, incidents, water rescue emergencies, and other public service calls. And whereas our community is incredibly fortunate to have the unwavering support of our dedicated neighbors and volunteer first responders who selflessly give their time to help those in need. Now therefore be it resolved that the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors does hereby proclaim April 20th through 26th 2025 as National Volunteer Week in Loudon County and encourages all citizens to honor the dedicated volunteers of the Loudon County combined fire and rescue system. I have just a couple of weird comments. When I was maybe eight or nine years old, we had a dog named Max, and he was a boxer, and he was a great dog with tons of energy. And at one point, he was too much for my grandmother to handle. And so she gave the dog away, and she gave them to a family that had a volunteer firefighter as the father of the family. And Max would go to all the calls. Max would follow him out, ride in the car, potentially ride in the truck, and Max followed him. And one day for whatever reason, the father couldn't take Max. And so the father went to the call, and Max leaped through the family picture window in the living room and ran to the firehouse. If ever there was a dog that epitomized the dedication to service of the people standing up here and the people they represent, Max was that animal. It is something that springs from the heart. It is a spirit. It's a genetic spirit that drives someone to do something above and beyond. And all of these volunteers have that spirit. They would not be in this job if they didn't have that spirit. And they hear the call and there's something genetically that drives them to respond to help others. And that is just incredible, incredibly laudable. And it really is a life-spload of our community. So thank you all very much. Thank you. And thank you, Mr. Turner. And before I pass it to you, ma'am, I would say that, if I have one major hope right now is that the commitment to our volunteers comes through this board every day. Because we've talked about it for years, and there are things we've done, and hurdles that we've, a study that was done that shows just the financial value of volunteers. And whenever I cite that study, I say, but you can talk to the financial value, and it is significant, but it's impossible to talk to the community value of volunteers, and what you all do every single day. And so I want to say that and I want to say thank you. It's interesting whenever I'm kind of outed all the firehouses, I always seem to land on a volunteer shift and I always say to the volunteers, I'm handing you these muffins, I'm handing you these donuts, please save some for the career staff. Not one time have you guys ever saved any for the career staff, but otherwise you're going to look great job, so I appreciate that. Here you go, ma'am. Can I defer to our system chief? Yes. We have to. Thank you. So if I can just take a couple seconds, because I know you're probably counting the time. So I want to just introduce who is up here. because as you know, we have a really neat governance structure and we have representatives from two of the three committees. So to my left is President Jimmy Chesmondi, who's the chair of the administrative operations committee. And to his left is Kevin Kelly, the chief of the Percival Rescue Squad, who's chair of the EMS Operations Committee. And then we have chief Kathy Harrisack from his device chair of EMS OC and chief of Sterling Rescue. Al Pacifico, who is, he's not only our assistant medical director, but longtime life for long time, life of the rescue squad and the fire company. And on the far end is Jamestarki, who's the rescue chief from the Lubbutsville Fire and Rescue Station. So I just want to say a quick couple things and then President Chesmedia, Chief Kelly, and Chief Heirasek, quick few words if you're okay with that. So I want to say thank you to not only the leadership up here, but I don't want to say more importantly, but as much importantly to the people who are on the units running calls and also doing the behind the scenes work of keeping the lights on, responding the calls, keeping the lights on in the volunteer stations. The other thing that I want to just say, and I've leaned on a lot lately as I've worked through this process, is I would not be here in this position as chief of this system without my experiences of volunteer in a major jurisdiction. So with that I want to say thank you to the board for your support but thank you to the folks standing here and all of the people in the system that they represent. President Chesmondia? Oh the last thing I want to say is chief Calie, so he was on a unit today. He united on down here. Changed units to an ALS response buggy in the parking lot. And that speaks to the commitment of the folks standing up here with me. Thank you, Jimmy. Thank you, Chief. All right. As the chair of the Administrative Operations Committee, I'd like to personally thank the Land County Board of Supervisors for recognizing our dedicated volunteer members during National Volunteer Research Asian Week. Our volunteers selflessly give their time, often spending hours away from their families to deliver a professional high quality service to our community. Our commitment, your commitment does not go unnoticed and we gratefully appreciate all you do for us. Just to extend that, this is being accepted by the group of us on behalf of the 1100 volunteers that are part of the combined system that are staffing EMS fire support service apparatus throughout the county 24 hours a day. And there are career volunteer members and providers who are shoulder to shoulder in this county working. And you know, when we talk about it, volunteer giving just a shift a week at 650 hours alone that we're asking them to be apart from their family, you put on top of that, the training requirements that the volunteers are working to meet all of the same requirements across the board. I think that's where they're showing their dedication to the system and to the county. And I know on behalf of all of them, I'd say we very much appreciate the support of the board and the county administrator and setting up the system for which we have. I would just like to say diddo, but I will. I would try to say that I pointed out that chair Randall, thank you very much. I'm surprised that for the amount of bankwits that we've run into each other this year. Shoes likes to point out that the volunteers are not normal people. That what we do, we do for free. We do some very dangerous things. And yes, we do it for free. But Loudoun County started out as a volunteer system. And so I think on speaking for all of the volunteers that are currently, a lot of them are running duty as Chief Kelly said right now. But I'd also point out that I think that the correlation that we listened to in your study earlier of 93% satisfaction with the Loudoun County residents about the fire and rescue system. It only gives Chief Williams a little bit of a marker for improvement there. But I would say I think it directly correlates to the amount of pride and the amount of content that the volunteers get out of the system. We are trained to a very high standard. We are equipped to a very high standard. And so the delivery of services as a combined system to the community is equally that high standard. And so we're happy to be a part of that success and we look forward to it in the future and Again, thank you very much for all of your support and giving the volunteers a place to call home Thank you Let's take a picture I'm going to go to the next room. 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I'm going to be up we're back and before we start I do want to again things. One, that we have two people who are speaking on the Walton Wood South Riding Special Exception that's on our speaking list. That is scheduled to be heard on, I'm sorry, it was on the AIR report or is on the AIR report for May 6th. So it's not on the AIR report for tonight. Now you can absolutely speak on the item you can, but it was never on tonight's AIR report. So if you want to speak on it, you certainly can, but just so you know that it was not to be voted on tonight. And I want to say that we had two applicants that asked that we defer their applications. One was the Magnolia Rose and I've deferred that to a future meeting and one was cross mail center that has been deferred to a meeting certain of May 6. Again, if anyone would like to speak, you certainly can, but those items have been deferred. So I'm going to call your names. I will call the names in the order that I have them. If you are not in the room, because it's one minute to six, if you're not in the room, if I call your name, I'm going to pass by you. And in one minute, I'll come back to you, but otherwise we're going to pass by you. Okay, the first speaker is Mary Dreyer, followed by Ryan Belier. And the third speaker is Donald Murray. Are any of those speakers in the room? Yes, hi, ma'am, how are you? It is 6 o'clock at this point. If I call your name and you're not here, I'm just going to pass by you. Thank you. Good evening Mr. Reyer. Thank you for being here. Good evening everyone. Thank you for hearing us. My husband and I are residents of Riding sublue springs and we are members of the Dulles District. And we live by the Waltonwood property. And so we're here tonight to provide some public input into this P-Core 2020-0101 request for validity extension for CPAC's 2014-0017 Walton Wood property. This property is currently zone CLI, sorry I'm not even. It currently zones CLI and it has a special exception for 233 senior living continuing care units. The applicant has requested an extension of five years so they can work with Loud0106 to turn this into an intergenerational community. They would like to change the zoning for this property to SCN24 to enable them to buy right, build as many as 250 additional multifamily units on this property. This is a significant change in directly impacts us as residents who reside immediately beside that property. And it appears to us to be non-conformant with the approval conditions of CPECS 2014-0017. In addition, the county ordinance chapter 10.11 clearly states no approved special exception use may be enlarged or expanded unless approval of a new special exception has been granted by the Board of Supervisors. And we absolutely agree with that and hope that you will consider requiring them to get a new special exception for this property rather than re-zoning the property so they can build by right at high densities against our Sierra one-zone homes. And so on that note, I ask the board to consider this input as they make a decision about whether to approve or deny this application. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. We really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you, Mr. Ayers. Appreciate you coming in. Ryan Belie, followed by Donald Murray, followed by Alex Marcus. Is Ryan Belie in the room? Ryan Belie, okay. Donald Murray and Alex Marcus followed by James Russell. Donald Murray, are you in the room? Alex Marcus, are you in the room? And James Russell, you will be followed by Hannah Whitzkill, followed by Donna Wadowski. Good evening Mr. Russo. Good evening. Two weeks ago, this board, I've thought of how to phrase this and I don't know how else to phrase it, but this board accommodated a lie. A lie. And not, you say you'll be here in 10 minutes when you know it's 15 kind of lie. A journalist was slain with American manufactured munitions, probably, possibly manufactured by a company that has an office in Loudon County. The man was 23 years old and he gave his life for truth in a moment in history where it seems that everybody has given up on the concept. This young man gave his life. And it got me wondering, I mean, I've been coming up here for a year, for a year. People have come up with me. People from this community have come up here at substantial risk to themselves and their families. And I wonder why do you think we've been doing that? It's not because we needed a hobby. It's not because we wanted to make friends. We have seen over the last two months an increasing trend I've spoken about here before, a trend of immigration agents kidnapping people off of the street for their political opinions. People came up here at risk to themselves because they knew that day was coming. And the many more who feel these concerns, who have not joined us, the people who thought the concerns of themselves are too great have apparently been vindicated. Thank you, Mr. Russo. Hannah, I'm sorry, Hannah, Witzky-Gull. Paula Bydana-Wodowsky. Paula By Eric Heine. Good evening, Ms. Whitsky. Whitsky. Hi. Hi. So, hello, everybody. I'm here tonight regarding the PCOR 2025-0011 requests that Mary alluded to before for a five-year extension to the special exemption that was approved in 2014 to build a senior living center in Dulles, South. And the reason I came tonight was because I wanted to bring your attention to the scope creep in the design plans to create a new intergenerational community by mixing stack multifamily housing and senior living together in a plan that would more than double the original plans proposed for residential density. And so it was pointed out to me that the procedure for approving this special exemption extension requires that the extension plans do not differentiate significantly from the original plan as approved in 2014. But it seems to me that this new intergenerational plan, which aims at both changing the use case from senior only living to stack multifamily and also doubling the density does not meet that criterion. So I therefore request that if the extension is approved and I know it's not you're not approving it tonight you're approving it several weeks from now. But when you do that we wanted it done so that it notes that the original special exemption was for basically an R8 density and not for their SCN 24-28 density that's currently they're applying for, and that it was only for senior living and not for a mixed use between the multifamily and the seniors which we think will impact lots of things, for example, traffic. So we just want to, you know, you to acknowledge that while when you think about that, you know, extend that extension so that we can begin the public debate kind of of the zoning changes on a level terms and, you know, based on the original special exemption and not on the more recent visions of the builder. So thank you very much. Thank you, thank you very much. Dona Waddowski followed by Eric Haim, followed by Volcan Balaka. Good evening. Good evening. On April 4, 2024, Supervisor Briskman decided to dip her toes decided to dip her toes into international politics by using government letterhead to state lies about Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israel Gaza War. She not only divided our county, but she received immediate blowback from the Jewish community from around the world. I was in this chamber when a woman said that she voted for a supervisor, Brisbane, but is now asking for her resignation. Chair Randall decided at that time not to discipline her. This triggered the pro-Palestinian pro-Hamas mob into coming to every single board meeting since then. The pro-Palestinian pro-Hamas mob not only has thanked Supervisor Brissman, but she continues to write in local papers misinformation regarding the war. The pro-Palestinian pro-Hamas mob have redirected their lies against the sheriff's department. Saying deputies are using Gestapo-like tactics to remove undocumented immigrants from our streets. Nothing can be further from the truth. On July 30, 2024, Melody Waldecker, a grandmother was killed in a car jacking in sterling by an illegal immigrant. Supervised abrism never won to miss a controversy, demonstrated in front of Sheriff Chapman's office on April 1, 2025, with 12 of her fellow misfits over the fact that sheriff Chapman signed an agreement with ICE to place a detainer on criminal immigrants for 48 hours. In the 60 years of living in Northern Virginia, I have never and I mean never seen a current elected official demonstrate against another current elected official One who has been elected by the citizens of Loudoun County the chief law enforcement official that is kept loud in County as one of the safest places to live. Thank you. So just as I have Not allowed things to be said that we're not appropriate, I'm not going to allow citizens to come into the room and speak. No matter who thinks what about them or whether I agree with them or whether I don't agree with them to be called a mob. They are constituents. They have a right to come speak and they do. And they are not a mob. They are citizens and they are constituents and I will leave it at that. Eric Haim followed by Volcan Balakka followed by Renee Katani. Mr. Haim, are you here? Eric Haim, okay. Volcan Balakka, it's B-A-L-A-K-A, are you here? No. Okay. Volcan Balaka. It's B-A-L-A-K-A. Are you here? No, okay. Renee Katani. These are all people who had signed up to speak on that know your rose and they haven't counseled and so I'm just gonna make sure they're not here before I go forward. Scott Brock, are you here? Scott Brock, are you here? Sylvia Baymon, are you here to speak on Yes ma'am? After you will be John Myers, who I do know is here. Good evening, Miss Baymon. Good evening, everyone. My name is Sylvia Beiman. I came to speak to .7, commuter bus service expansion, tamiti gates, tundis, London County. So, good evening, everybody. My name is Sylvia Beiman and I'm proud resident of London County and federal employee at the State Department. I want to begin by expressing my sincere gratitude for commuter bus service London County provides. The speed, comfort and efficiency of commuter bus is a live line for many of us, especially Federal Workers Commuting to DC and the new mandates five days a week in person presence. After five years living in Arlington, moving to London County felt like a breath of a fresh air. I chose this county for its quality of life. I deeply hope not to be forced to due to unsustainable commuting conditions. Current challenges. I bought house near one London in 2019 precisely because I could walk to the former bus stop and commute directly to work. Since that, Stubbuz eliminated due to COVID. Now I drive every morning to Dallas Transit Center where I arrive at 5.10 AM, just to get seat at the bus at 5.48 AM. Often, this tent in dark 45 minutes and cold, waiting for our seat. on the way home, I walk over one mile, five stop to make sure that I have a seat. Some days buses are two full to stop. State Department is the last stop of the commutabase in DC. And by location of State Department, we are simply left behind. I don't mind. I love the Volk. I take it like my daily exercise. But sometimes I go five steps and then comes lady that is impaired or something and I have no heart and withstand. And it breaks my heart to see some people in the right-left behind. Who I represent. I'm not alone. I represent many federal workers and loud-untax peers who leave home before sunrise. I wake up at 4, 4 at 30 a.m. every morning. Work hard to support America's interests and still try to be there for our families after long day. Ms. Behan? I'm sorry, the distributor, but your time is up. If you'd like to email us your comments, you can do that, but your time is up, though. Oh, I just wanted to say if, no, Ms. Behan, your time is up, but we'd love to have you email the comments, too, was okay. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Where do I email it? You can email at vos at loudin.gov. Are you can talk to the clerk? She can tell. Thank you very much. Thank you. The second sir, John Myers, you will be followed by Said Kobase followed by Christie Wick. Ready when you are. Good evening, Chair Randall, Loud and Board of St. Vazers. My name is John Myers, I'm the President and the Loud and Curricure of Fire Fire Association. Tonight, I'm here to speak with favor of the Board Member Initiative addressing loud and comparators and compensation philosophy. In 2017, Evergreen Solutions presented its class and confiding for phase one. The study recommended adding additional comparators to help lounge compensation philosophy be more marketer competitive. County staff agreed with the report, it made recommendations to add the comparators. At finance, Board of Suffolk made a motion opposite of the recommendation to not include the additional comparators. The supervisor believed the county should not use these comparators because they had collective bargaining. As of of picking comparators that allowed their employees a seat at the table was out of the question or rational. Another reason given was the additional comparators had a much higher cost of living than loud. Well currently loud has a higher cost of living than both Montgomery and Prince George's County. But Mr. Hemsley was asked who do we compare to? His answer was we compete with the entire region. Supporting this be a might tonight while allowing to compare to these other localities, but have clicker-barting just like loud now does, and eliminate the need to wait for impasse procedure. As far as compensation philosophy, evergreen solutions and county staff both recommended that the county should compensate its employees at 5% above the median to be competitive. The same supervisor that made a motion against staff and their Greens' recommendations to include a philosophy of 95 to 105% of the median. Their belief was that their positions that are easier to fill and didn't need to be filled at 100% of the median. The supervisor was quick to give examples of job titles that they believed served 105% but would not give any examples of 95%. Why is that? Because when you do that, you remind everyone this job title belongs to a real person. You put a name and a face to the role. You make it human, you make it matter. Just because position has more applicants and it's easier to fill, doesn't mean it deserves lesser compensation. Loud employees are the ambassadors of the county and strive to give its citizens and guests the best experience in service. I ask you tonight to pass this BMI, given loud a more comprehensive set of comparators and setting the standard, that none of its employees will receive pay below the median. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Myers. And we're going to take up this item as we finish public comments. So be very fast and very, very quickly. Saye Kobase followed by Christi Wick followed by Rob Scheldon. Sayead has not called in. Sayead has not called in. Saye does not called in and that was for McNoir Rose. Christy Wic, who is also here for, who also signed up up for, no, your roles are you in the room, Ms. Wick? Because if not, our last speaker who signed up as well is Rob Sheldon, are you in the room? All right, is there anybody on the phone who would like to speak that we have missed? No, there's not. Okay, and we did not get anybody else who walked in and gave us any, okay, within that completes all of our public comments. I am going to go to item number 12 because I think we can get this item done fairly quickly. Before we take our dinner break, during our dinner break, we're going to take a close session. going to do item number 12, then we're going to do appointment nominations and then we'll take our dinner break during our dinner break, we're going to take our closed session. We're going to do item number 12 and then we're going to do appointment nominations and then we'll take our dinner break. Item number 12 is a BMI with Mr. Sains and I. We can probably go straight to emotion on that item. Mr. Sains, would you like to make the motion? Like me to make the motion. Okay, ready when you are, sir. I move that the Board of Supervisors approve amendments to policy 5.3 official compensation philosophy in Loudoun County Human resources handbook to expand the county's competitor market to include Montgomery County, Maryland, Frederick, Maryland, Prince George's County, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. I further move that the Board of Services approve increasing the compensation philosophy target market in policy 5.3 to 100 to 105%. Second. Discussion on the motion, Mr. Saints. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, I believe this is definitely something we need to do. As it's been noted earlier, we are competing with all of our neighbors here in the DMV area to include Montgomery County, Frederick County, Prince George's County in the district, and of course our competitors here in Northern Virginia area, Fairfax and Prince William counties and others as well. So I think this is the right step to take at this time and also to increase the conversation philosophy from where it was at 95 to 100 to 100 to 105. So hopefully my colleagues can support in this matter. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Brooksman. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm really proud and happy to support this motion. I'm glad that we're rectifying this situation. I know that the Chair and Supervisor Sains have been working on this for a really, really long time and it's been a long time coming so Good job and happy to support So I want to I want to kind of reflect on some of the things that Mr. Meyer said When this came up the first time this came up we at there had been a study done from MBTA and it showed who were leaving Loudoun County to go to other places to work and where were they going. At that time, I don't think it's true anymore, but at that time, the number one place people were leaving to go was Fairfax County, number two was Prince George's County at that time. We were losing more people to Prince George's County than anywhere else in Northern Virginia except Fairfax County. The ideal that we would not have had as our comparator, the place where we're losing most of our employees, made no sense to me then. And the rationale given was that, well, they have collected bargaining and we don't. Well, now we do. The other discussion was the comparator. I actually made the motion to make it 100 to 100% and that motion did not pass in the motion. The dip pass was 95 to 100, 95%. And I said at the time, if we said it at 95%, people are going to come in and be paid at 95%. And what that means is we're going to lose people and it calls so much more money to retrain people, especially first responders, than to pay them with their worth and retain them. And so none of that made any sense to me and it was done really for reasons that were never validly explained. so I am This is this is this should have happened then this was long overdue. I will say I will say not just mr. Sains is named but on that three on those three six to three votes at that time it was Christian Amstad Karan Sains and Phyllis Randall who were voting for those things at that time. And so this is, it is approposed that this is back. And it is approposed that we are going to pay, especially our first responders in ways that, that their counterparts in the Washington Metro Cog area are getting paid. And we're going to do a comparator for those in the compensation of 100 and 105%. This is the, it was correct to do then. It is correct to do now. Thank you. Mr. Saints. No, I'll just simply say let's vote on a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that we have a lot of time to say that No, I'm just gonna say that. I'm just gonna say that. Ha ha ha. You're just saying he made the motion. And I second the motion. All the people say aye. Aye. Oppose. That motion will pass 90. Supervisors, let's do our appointments and confirmations before we either take a break and then read in the closed session or read in the closed session. But let's do the appointments and confirmations and we will start. If you have appointment, please put your light on where did mine go? Miss Glass. Thank you, Madam Chair. I nominate Mr. Allen Wynn to serve as the Broadrun Representative on the Transit Advisory Board. 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I'm going to go to the next room. I'm going to get you. Okay. Okay. Okay. We are back and Mr. Turner is going to read as out of closed session. I move that the closed session be adjourned that the Board of Supervisors reconvene its public meeting with the minutes of the public meeting to reflect that no formal action was taken in the closed session. Further move that the resolution certifying the closed session be adopted and reflected in the minutes of this public meeting. Second. Motion is made. Second, Mr. Buzzer, Bricksmann. Discussion on that motion. All in, people, please say aye. Aye That motion will pass 9 to 0 or would everybody please refer? Ms. Glass? A firm. A firm. A firm. A firm. A firm. A firm. And I affirm as well, thank you very much. Mr. Sange, who has a motion? Mr. Sange of a motion. Thank you Madam Chair. I move that the border supervisors authorize and direct the county attorney to file a notice of participation in SCC docket number PUR-2025-0056. The 530 KV Golden to Mars transit mission lines and 2030 KV lock ridge and Sir joiner loops to represent the county's interest in such proceedings. Okay. Did you say second, Ms. Gilles? I will give that second supervisor a glass to cushion on the motion. Briefly, I'll just say to translate this, this is authorizing the county attorney and the county staff to file with the SEC regarding the Mars golden lines that the county would like to participate in the hearing and we will advocate, Continue to advocate for underground and power lines for this route. And we will ask the county to go down to the SEC and ask them to have hearings here and loud in county so we can have ever residents come out and the county officials come out and speak in regards to these power lines as well. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Turner. I'm sorry. Anybody else? Motion was made by Supervisor St. and by Supervisor Glass. All the people say aye. Opposed, that motion will pass 9 to 0. Integral upstairs for a second. I'm going to hand the meeting to Vice Chair Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair or colleagues. Let's do board comments. Supervisor, glass. Thank you, Vice Chair Turner. Let me start with the disclosures on Wednesday, April 9th. I met with representatives from DLA Piper and Cyrus One to discuss the Broadland, Cyrus One data center project. On April 9th, my staff met with representatives from Linar and Walsh Kaluci to discuss the Concord development. April 14th, my staff met with representatives from Enterprise and Walsh Kaluci to discuss the Ashburne Park and Ride Housing Project. April 14th, I met with representatives from J.K. Land Holdings to discuss the Cross-Mail Data Center application. 15th I met with representatives from J.K. Land Holdings to discuss the cross mill data center application. April 15th I met with representatives from TriTech to discuss the Concord development. I went to last Tuesday to a ribbon cutting, which was an opening of a loud and County Pickleball Court. It's inside, it's for 24 hours. There are three courts and a half court there. And at the end, I was able to play a little bit of Pickleball with the instructor. My first time and she said it was pretty good. I was like, I can do it for about 15 minutes and that's about it. So on a more somber note, I just want to just to give my condolences to the family that lost a young child this past weekend. want you to know that I'm praying for you and praying for just for peace and to for God to wrap his arms around you. That's it, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Resiglant, super-reservoir attorney. Yeah, disclosures, my staff spoke with the applicant for the Cross-Mill Center application on, I believe, Friday, April 11th. Also, just for the public's awareness, I will be holding one of my dullest direct town hall meetings on Monday, April 28th at seven o'clock at Mercer Middle School. My guess for the town hall will be Buddy Reiser and we'll be discussing Loud and Counties' economy in light of the concerns about the Freble workforce and data centers and many other issues. So certainly the public is welcome. I always give an update on everything else going on and the dollar's district and around the county. And. and many other issues. So certainly the public is welcome. I always give an update on everything else going on in the Dallas district and around the county. And we'll be happy to take questions and comments from citizens. That's it. Thank you. Supervisor Tachroni. Thank you, Vice Chair Turner. So for just closures on April 11th, I met with Chuck Hune, Charles Yud and John Cox regarding the Cross Mill data center. For my board comments, I have a Red Hill road community meeting on Monday, April 29th at 6 o'clock PM at Watson Mountain Middle School. And the purpose of this meeting is to listen to the community about the possible paving of Red Hill Road to a rural, rustic road standard. The program provides a practical approach to paving Virginia's low volume unpaid roads. When we propose an unpaid road, it is important to solicit the community's feedback. So the Red Hill community requested this meeting to discuss the program and I look forward to obtaining the community's feedback. I am also doing a St. Louis door to door meet and greet on Saturday, May 3rd from 1 to 4 and this is an opportunity to meet the community where they are. This meeting is an alternative way to gather concerns from residents who are not always available to attend the many St. Louis community meetings. So this gives another opportunity for the community to discuss water quantity and quality concerns, traffic concerns, whatever's on their mind, I look forward to seeing them at their homes. So that's something new for me and I hope to do that in other communities as well. Earlier this month I met with Regina Lloyd and her daughter Sarah and Larry Lloyd regarding Mickey Gordon Park. Chair Randall tended this meeting too to discuss documenting the history of Hall's Park. I'm very excited to announce that baseball has returned to Mickey Gordon Park at the Pop Gordon field. There is already a baseball team practicing at the park. I don't think it's American Legion. I think it's another team. So that's great news that people are interested in using the baseball field. And a big thank you to Steve Torpe and PRCS for restoring the baseball field. Thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Armstrong. Thank you, Mr. Chair. On April 14th, I had a meeting with Randy Minchew, Charles Yud and Shakun on the Cross Mill Center. And on that same date, I had an email exchange with Ben Whales on Magnolia Rose. I'd like to bring to the attention of the board something that happened after, well actually during our last meeting out in the lobby and the garage, one of our citizen speakers who had had spoken against Hamas and in support of Israel was leaving the building when one of the speakers who spoke in favor of the Palestinians accosted her and called her a Zionist pig and a Nazi, and continued to follow her out to the parking garage. Fortunately, we have a really good security team here, and they were able to surround the individual who was saying, Zyna's Paganazzi, and prevent that individual from following the other speaker all the way to the other speaker's cars. So I would just ask the people not choose to attack each other in the lobby, in the garage between the two and try to keep it as civil as possible because I would not want this board, these board meetings and this dius to become a platform for attacks on Jews or Israel. And I also don't want the lobby of this building and the garage to become another forum for attacking people on this issue. Thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Sains. Thank you, Vax Chair. Turner on April 13th, I spoke to Ben Wills of Karada Partners in regards to Magnoir Rose. And then on April 14th, I actually spoke to one of the owners of potential Magnoir Rose regarding Magnoir Rose, obviously. And then regards for my mandatory disclosures. Just like the call to attention to the citizens of Loudon that our public library system is doing a food drive from April 19 to the 27th. You can bring, you know, perishable items to any of our library branches. It's in support of Loudon Hunger Relief. The Sterling Foundation is doing their annual scholarship drive. They will be awarding school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The school's first school. The they can apply and get some scholarship money for their for the next endeavors. Also on when I call out May 16th there's going to be a casino night benefiting firefighter Brown Memorial Park that will be taking place at Florida cuisine and Leesburg so if you go to my newsletter there's a there's a QR code you can scan to get more detail information and how to participate, but I definitely plan on attending myself. So again, Friday, May 16th, from 7 o'clock p.m. to 11 o'clock p.m. at Florida cuisine in Leesburg, the Rikicino Night, benefiting the firefighter Brown Memorial Park that is in Sterling, Virginia. And I would just like to go off of Supervisor Umstead's comments, I think you left hopefully would mean your intention was to say that you want to see no violence of any kind to any groups whatsoever taking place in the boardroom, in the lobby, in the garage, or anywhere. You know, everybody should be respectful for one another, their viewpoints and their issues that they champion, and Lex have civil dialogues as adults, and again, human beings, and hopefully be can all come to understandings and understand other viewpoints. But Lex do it civilly people. people. That'll be all, thank you. Thank you, surprise your questioner. Thank you, Vice Chair Turner. As far as disclosure is a concern on April 7th, my staff met with the applicants for Fox Chase Farms of Middleburg and on April 10th. My staff went out to visit the Mengele Rose site and meet with the applicants. The only board comments that I had because I wasn't here for the consent agenda. First of all, thank the staff and this board for taking a very big step in moving forward the Western, Lowndruck, Rational Complex. It's a big thing I've been advocating for. I know a number of folks on this board including the Chair and former supervisor Tony Buffington have been pushing forward for the West and it's going to be a lot really helped to clear up some of our roads as well, because people will now, once this is completed, we'll be able to tend a major recreational center in the Western part of the county, and not have to travel into the eastern part. It's going to be the original facility was 83,000 square feet. Now we've moved over to 96,000 and will accommodate a lot of different things, including meeting spaces, classrooms, gymnasium, fitness center, and aquatic center, which is desperately needed in Western part of the county and a complete pool complex. It's also going to increase the fields. We all know we have a deficit in fields, four diamond fields, six rectangular fields, and so I just thought I would be given I wasn't here for the consent, would remiss and not thanking my fellow supervisors and for all the staff who have worked on this and for many years getting it to this point and taking a very big step forward tonight. So thank you very much and those are my comments and I used one minute and 30 seconds. Thank you supervisor briskim. Thank you, Vice Chair Sains. By way of disclosures, I had conversations with Colleen Gillis and Ben Wales on April 10th and today regarding, respectively, regarding Magnolia Rose. I had a call with Charles Yad from JK Land Holdings on 411 for Cross Mill Center. I joined Scrape for the grape on Saturday, which was pretty amazing. We destroyed over 400,000 eggs, we believe. At Beacon Hill, at Beacon Hill in the golf club, and my staff as well joined, it was gross, so gross, like really gross, and I consider myself an outdoor person, but it was gross. I had the opportunity to join Save Soil Day and present our proclamation to them at Cascades Library. They had a lovely event with some speakers and a movie about how important soil is for us. I would like to invite everyone to join my first ever community bike ride on April 26th. We'll be leaving from Route 7, Brewery. In my district, it will be taking an eight mile trek around the district, mostly in bike lanes at a very safe route. And this is being co-sponsored by Bike Loudon. The Brewery, Arthur's Ice Cream, Maverick Bikes, so it should be a lot of fun. So join us on April 26th, you can sign up from my website. It's a special kind of twisted colleagues for the President of the United States and this administration to use the specter of antisemitism and previous historical heinous acts rooted in the same to justify fascist actions against others in our society, whom they want us to think are the problem. They want us to think that they are criminals and rapists and terrorists as a way to justify their fascist and autocratic desires. It's abhorrent that we have now seen bad faith arguments and misinformation to justify sending green card holders, visa holders, Asalis, students, gay barbers who happen to have a crown tattoo to what amounts to an overseas, unaccountable gulag and El Salvador from which they may never return. Some of these people are being arrested for simply practicing their First Amendment rights, the right on which all others are dependent. Yesterday, his administration literally lied about a 9-0 ruling from our Supreme Court that directed them to bring home Kilmar, a brago Garcia, and even the president of El Salvador who Trump admires stated he would not help bring this man home. We should all be chilled to the bone by these actions, by these lies, and we are now literally in a constitutional crisis. This is un-American, undemocratic, and inhumane. Gun violence archives three months into 2025. There have been 3982 total gun deaths, 79 mass shootings. The deaths include 72 children under the age of 12 and 271 teens ages 12 to 17. Thank you, Madam Chair. He was riveted by my colleague. Thank you, Madam Chair. On Tuesday, April 8, 2025, my staff and I met with Colin Gillis from Carrot about West Belmont. On Thursday, April 10, 2025, my staff and I met with Mike Romano from Wash, Colucci and Jake Ballard from Rooney, partner to discuss the application for bomb on co-resoning. On Thursday, April 10, 2025, my staff and I met with Brian Clifford and Tony Calabris from D.L.A. Piper and Todd House from Cyrus One to discuss Cyrus One in Broadlands. On Tuesday, April 15, 2025, my staff and I spoke with Colleen Gillis from Carrata to discuss the application for West Delmont. I too did scrape the grape on Saturday. Mine was not nearly as gross. No, I was up so go go. No, I was up in love with Phil out in the hinterland scraping and mine was not nearly as gross. Supervisor Glas, you have my deepest sympathy about having to play pickleball as part of this job. And my chief of staff said never ever again say anything about pickleball, so've already violated that now I'm in trouble with my staff. I sat on a panel today downtown, a data center, a world's annual conference at the Washington Convention Center. It was very interesting, packed house, and a lot of really good questions about loud and county and data centers And I was on a panel discussion the week prior to that about data centers at the Association of Public Service Employees. And again, very interesting discussions. That's all I have. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, is it me, sir? Madam Chair, one other thing, point of order if I can. I didn't, I left at the last meeting. I read us into two closed sessions, but I left after the first closed session, so I did not get to affirm either session. I'd like to do that now on a firm. So you affirmed the one that you were at and you affirmed the one that you were not up until the time that you left? That's correct. That's what you're doing? That's what I'm doing. Okay, wonderful. I had, I went up to McGnolia rose to two times to look around and talk to the applicants on Sunday. Supervisor on May 15th, I'm going to hope my annual stay at the county address that would be in this room without objection. I'm going to use this room for my state of the county address. May 15th. There are so many things about this current administration that is very disturbing. And if I start talking, I'm not sure I could finish or, in fact, I know that I couldn't finish. But one thing I most disturbed about is Secretary of Education. Secretary of Education, Linda Mack-Majhan, who used to be over the WWE wrestling, did not know what an IEP was in an individualized education plan. And this past week, she said not once, not twice, but three times. Instead of saying AI, she said A1 is in the stake sauce. So our kids need to learn A1. Listen, for three times times she said she did. For all the talk about DEI and this and that, we have a, you know, Secretary of Defense who they literally have added somebody else to their not secure chain as they talk about war plans and we have a Secretary of Education who doesn't know what an individualized service plan is and doesn't know artificial intelligence from stake sauce. These things are disturbing and I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to stay on it too long because it would be the point. But I am going to say that, you know, that when we talk about people who are not qualified for these jobs, this is what this looks like. And actually, sometimes it's a bit funny, but sometimes it's awfully, awfully dangerous. And with the Secretary of Education, which I am most concerned about, I'm very concerned about education, I'm very, very concerned about the voting rights and the save act that just passed, that if it passed would disallow hundreds of thousands of women from voting. So I will, you know, talk about these things as and when I see appropriate. I do want to say that this is Holy Week and this Friday is Good Friday and this Sunday is my My favorite holiday and my favorite time of the year, which is Easter. I think for me, Easter has such a special sacrosanct meaning and I will say that I often try to say on Good Friday, which by the way, I do a full 24 hour fast on good Friday. And it's an amazing thing to do. But I also try to say an Easter what I'm very, very grateful about. And besides obviously my salvation and my family and my friends, I will say I'm so very grateful to have this position still. I still make a break up every morning and I'm still. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. I'm so proud of the community. They jumped up real, God, Lee up real fast. They jumped up real. Gawdly, it's already up on the screen and everything. Shhh. Okay, man. All right, well, I guess I should ask you guys. I do think because the emails that went back around back and forth today actually, I thought I was clear. And then we realized I wasn't. And they were kind of confusing. And all the things going back, I think we wasn't, but they were kind of confusing all the things going back. I think we need the presentation, because I think we need to level set, because I do not believe that we all have the same understanding. So let's go ahead and do the presentation. Thank you Madam Chair, members of the board. Appreciate the opportunity this evening. As you may recall back in March 10th during the budget workshop, We had some discussion about the increased standees on our commuter buses and at that time we committed to bringing back to the board our recommendations to resolve them if we observed sustained overcrowding on our commuter buses. Well, it threw out March and into April that was absolutely sustained phenomena and has not decreased. So staff has put together a very viable mitigation strategy to address that and that's what we would like to present to you all this evening. If you will indulge us, we would like to level set the where we've been and why we're here now just to kind of frame really just the last year. Back in May of last year the board had the transit summit. At that point in time ridership was exceedingly low and so the board agreed to continue suspending the commuter bus revenue neutrality policy because again we did have ridership to sustain that. We eliminated 10 underperforming routes that were less than 10 riders on the bus per day. We agreed to surplus 16 commuter buses and that was still a hold until the board made a decision about the feasibility study to pilot bringing commuter buses into Loutin for our workforce. And the decision was discussed and forwarded on to increase the commuter bus fare from $10 to $11 dollars in FY25 and to increase the bus fare in FY26 to $12, which would occur actually on December 2026. So that was discussed in May almost a year ago. It's a very different picture than what we have today. In fall, we submitted our budget to the board. And again, it was looking at the underperforming routes and the very low ridership. In December, those actions were affected. We effectively cut those 10 routes that were underperforming. We increased the fee from $10 to $11. And December of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of It's seeing the signs of that in very late February. March, we saw significant increases in commuter bus ridership. And the early part of April continues. We have a lot of statistics that we can share with you in this presentation which Scott will dive into. But the questions that you asked us on March 10th were what changes have occurred in the commuter bus ridership since the federal workers have been returning to in-person work We have that information for you and is a transit services seeing a growing need for additional routes to accommodate these changes Simply that answer is yes So we at this point would like to kind of go over some of those details and and then certainly entertain any questions comments and direction from the from the board. Scott. Thank you. So on the screen right now is a chart of where we have been since the start of FY25, and ridership as you can see has significantly increased, essentially doubled since July of 2024 through March of 2025. The point of note for us is, or for the transit staff, and planning is the average ridership or trip, which is the second column from the right. All the way down at the bottom, you can see it's all the way up to 38. Pre-pandemic, that was 34. So we were riding 34 per day on an average bus pre pandemic. And the other big issue that sticks out with us is the number of buses with standings we basically had none all the way up through February and in a skyrocketed in March. It's continuing to have that same trend in April. So what we did was took a look at FY26 and said, okay, based on the current ridership, what would our revenue neutrality look like? And essentially we've got, and that would be including adding routes to offset the standees. So essentially the projected costs are about 5.9 million. You see the revenues and the projected riderships is $358,000. So we're at about $14, one-way trips starting from July 1 if we were to be revenue neutral. So that was here if I could just jump in here a quick moment. A lot of questions have been asked why are we suggesting and recommending going returning to revenue neutrality. So right now the board isn't subsidizing the commuter bus service to the tune of about $2.7 million of local tax funding for, certainly for 26, it's a little bit less than that for 25. And the conversations that rightfully warranted the waving of the revenue neutrality policy was because the ridership wasn't there. And the board's conversations were about, you know, always looking to get back to that when ridership returned. So it is incumbent upon staff to bring to the board recommendations that are consistent with your historic policy approach and recommendations. And this is what we're doing tonight. Writership is back. How the board chooses to address that we just want to present you the information, but it is clearly a ridership is back. And the tone of the conversations and the thrust of it is when it is back, we should strive again for revenue neutrality. Point of clarification, it was COVID, it was COVID when we went. Okay. Yes, and that's when the Revenue Tality waver or policy was waived. I don't know, did you need it? Did you want to add into that? Yes, yes. Thank you, Mr. Mstreet. The other major contributing factor to this was in the time of revenue neutrality when it was waived, Metro also came online. And the board has made significant investments into bringing Metro into Laban as a primary means of commuting support. The county invests in excess of $30 million a year to ensure that that is a viable option for commuters. And so there is now a need to find balance between those two viable solutions, recognizing that that can be a little bit delicate. We do believe that it is appropriate for us as staff to bring back to you the scenarios that say, ridership is up, braille is in place, revenue neutrality is a viable option for consideration. And with that, the revenue neutrality proposals as Scott has indicated does not affect FY 2025, our proposal, FY 2025, the increased fares that we're receiving due to the ridership can cover the proposal of increased routes. However, in 26, if we were to achieve revenue neutrality that would bring it up to $14 per one-way trip, it would be in December of 2026, it goes to 12 per previous board action. This would move it a little bit earlier what What our proposal is, effective July 1, move it to 14. That would get it to revenue neutral and the 2.7 million of local tax fund that is currently applied in 26 would not be needed as mentioned in that last bullet there. So that kind of frames the why staff is bringing that to you for your consideration. And I think that, I think I'll be quiet at this point and let's kind of take that. So I would say that when you go back just one more time, go if you can go back one more time. That $14 one way is actually a total of net of $28 per day. Right now they are at $22 per day and if they're going back and forth. In December, they will go to $24 a day. Metro was approximately, if you did the furthest extent run of Metro and you parked at our garages, that's about $19. So right now they're at $22 for this concierge service. Metro is at $19. So I just want to put all those factors in front of you. All right, Scott, I'm going to now try to be quiet. We're on the last slide, it's good. FY26, the fiscal impact if we went with an alternate solution of not being revenue neutral. Essentially, if we left the fairs exactly as they are already set today where they would turn to $12 in December, the projection as the additional operating costs would be covered by the fairs as well that are not budgeted in FY26. The LTF would still remain at 2.7 because of the additional routes being added in. So that's where we would stand in the alternate ride and that's also assuming ridership remains steady all through FY26. So with that, the staff recommendation is you want to take it? Okay. The revenue neutrality policy for fiscal year 26 is reinstated. The commuter bus fares are pushed to $14 for July 1. We would retain nine commuter buses and previously authorize for surplus. Estimate and appropriate $101,000 of commuter bus fare revenue for the Department of General Services in 25 to offset the costs of the additional services in FY 25. And with that, we're open for questions. Okay. It would be, it's hard to do this in a motion supervisor's because there's a lot going on. Don't rely on, it's a countywide issue. I would put the motion on the table and then we would go from there. the s . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and that. I'm going to discuss a little more. So let's try just doing this. I moved the board of supervisors. A recent clarification, Matt Chair. I thought you were going to go straight to the alternative motion from the adviser, was you going to deny it? I'm not because of what, that's why I'm not. You changed your mind? because of what Mr. because I told you before this meeting, I did not understand what Mr. Brown told me when I came on this board, when I came on the day is today, it was a different understanding. So I'm not doing that. So. And what Mr. Brown told me when I came on this board, when I came on the days today, it was a different understanding. So I'm not doing that. So I'm going to do this. I move the voice supervisors, reinstate the commuter bus revenue neutrality policy. That's the only motion I'm going to make right now. There's a motion in a second. So just doing this part, just reinstating it, reinstating it doesn't say at what level and how fast. So this could be, we reinstated to the next part of the motion could be re-restated over the next five years. We go first to $12 and then the 13 and then the 14, this part is just that we are going to reinstate the net neutrality policy. I purposely did not say the second part of how much and when because those are two different things. Rather than not, we restate it and I think we should because I do not think we should be subsidizing this commuter bus is different than how we're going to do it and when we're going to do it. That's why I'm that's why I'm that's why I'm that's why I'm that's why I'm that's be, we can talk about with Mr. Brooksman and Mr. Luterner and all that, how we get there. So that's why I split the motion in this way. Mr. Brickson. Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a couple of questions for staff. The way this motion reads though, we will de facto have to go to $14. Correct. So the way the motion was proposed by the Chair, it simply says, reinstate, but doesn't say when. The motion that's presented in the packet does say for fiscal year 2026, but I believe that the chair- I literally didn't say that. Okay, so- Well, but I'm asking the question, because to me, if we decide tonight that we have to go back to revenue neutral, then automatically- in my mind automatically takes us to 14, but you're saying it doesn. It would require the board to have following actions to define when that occurs. Okay, okay. But didn't we decide during the transit summit that we would raise the rates a dollar per year or dollar every 12 months until we get to revenue neutrality? That's what we decided. The there are only two actions taken relative to those was one in 25 and one in 26 with no discussion about getting to revenue neutrality as that being the end game. It was raised from 10 to 11 and 25. And then from 11 to 12 in December. So we had only decided two raises at the transit summit. Okay. Okay. Okay. It seems to me that how we get there, I guess we can decide in the next motion is Madam Chair saying. The other thing I wanted to address, you guys started talking about Metro. And I kind of get the idea or the concept, and I support the concept of trying to encourage folks to go write Metro. But I just did a quick search, and Metro wasn't named once in this item. As a reason why we want to make those rates a little higher so that we encourage them to ride Metro. I kind of buy that theory, but also there are areas in this county where Metro is really not accessible at all. My district being one of them. I mean, there's, I've tried it. Honestly, I've tried to ride Metro to DC and it's really not efficient and it's not time, time does something, timely at all. So a lot of folks in districts where you don't have the real close access to Metro or Metro bus, that's not gonna work for them. And the reason that Supervisor Luterno and I came up with the alternate motion was so that we didn't shock people with a $14 rate increase. So I just want to make sure we're not doing that. And then we can move on to another motion. So thank you. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Crony. Yeah, thank you Chair Randall. So I was kind of surprised at the 2.7 subsidy. How much are we subsidizing the pilot from outside the county. I want to say it was at 1.8 I thought. Yeah, well there's two different pilots. That's what I'm trying to register in my head. I think the first pilot was somewhere around 1.7. I honestly would have to come back to you on that number. I don't have the number off the top of my head. Those are not our residents, bringing people in from Fredrick and Dale City to loud in. So yeah, I just think we ought to think about, these are our residents that are riding the commuter bus. And going to 14 I would agree would be kind of a shock for our residents. Can you reiterate what Metro costs including the costs for the parking? Yes, ma'am. So the furthest extent Metro ride if you're going from into the line in line for this point is about 675 for that ride. That's one way 675. And then it's just under 495 a day for our parking garage. And then, so if you put those together, it's way $6.75 and then it's just under $4.95 a day for our parking garage and then so if you put those together It's about $19 per day That's the cost to do to run Metro and the county invests a little over $30 million Into the infrastructure that we built or support for that the Are we going to reopen any of the closed lots? I know we talked about that talking about infrastructure, the commuter lots that we proposed. So we need proposal for that. So the demand for commuter services is not requiring additional lots. It's requiring additional routes out of those in very specific and discrete times. And so we fortunately have some extraordinary transit planners and modeling that they put into it and they know exactly how to line those up to make sure that they're getting to those pinch points. Okay. We have certainly had a number of a few requests to add new lots. That is not an economically viable or ridership maximizer. Have we looked into, I know we were going to look at transitioning from the Dallas Transit Center to the Ashburn South metro rail garage. Have we looked into that? We discussed it at the summit I believe, but we did not pursue that as a viable option at that time because we didn't have the ridership to demand it. Okay, but now we do. Okay, hopefully that can come back because I know we're paying rent for that, right, for the MWAR garage. Not the MWAR surface lot. Yes, so the county made some capital investments on it and we have a lease that we'd have to break and forego those investments that we made on that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. The Turtle. Yeah, I guess I'm a little, I don't necessarily disagree with the approach of that motion because the alternate motion specifically says that we'll increase one way fares by a dollar until Re revenue neutrality has been reached. So it gives the goal of revenue neutrality. So I don't see it necessary to adopt a separate standalone thing saying revenue neutrality. It just seems kind of unnecessary and maybe a little bit confusing. So, I mean, we can discuss what revenue neutrality means and when we get there. But the reality is that number could change again, right? Like if ridership continues to increase, then the number to get to revenue neutrality is going to go down again, right? That number is absolutely subject to ridership, fairs, grant funding, all of the things that come in and changes every year. Because grant funding is a whole other discussion that could push it in the up direction. So I guess the point is I almost think the board is going to have to just decide this periodically whether we support revenue neutrality or not. And you know at least what we can do is not do it right away, because that's the shock of the $14. Establish sort of this path to try to get there, but we're going to have to end up revisiting this. And we do annually in our budget anyway. We have these budget check-ins. There is a subsidy number that's in the budget every year. We can adjust it every year depending on what we think it is. I think that's just kind of the better approach than just saying. I mean, I'm fine with saying like our goal is to get back to revenue neutrality. It's my goal too, but I don't know that I want to adopt it as policy at this moment without defining it. So I think I just probably wouldn't support this motion. Mr. Sains. Well, thank you, Madam Chair. So which are routes that are seeing the increase in ridership? Mostly routes coming from the west. So from Harmony to Leesburg to the Delstrands of Center NAN, are really seeing the biggest increases. It's not any one of them because most of the routes go through all three of those parking ride lots. It's a combination of my imagination, okay, I got you. So I got to stop here then stop here and so on. And I'm assuming it's the same thing coming back in the afternoon. That's correct. And so are we having, you know, a meering series, obviously I've forwarded'm sure my colleagues have been forwarding a lot of the emails that we're receiving from residents where they had you noted earlier that yes, people are standing in the aisle. And are they standing like the whole ride? So say from Loudon to DC or DC back to Loudon is it the whole ride or is it just partial? Generally speaking, there's standing from 19th and E or 19th Street depending on where they fill up to the first stop in Latin County when there's generally enough people to get off to clear seats for the rest of the ride. I know that's probably not legal or shouldn't be. So, yeah, so we definitely need to do something and get those riders into seats. And of course, you know, we have options and that's what was the goal is not everybody likes taking the metro and I really like taking the long how buses because I personally take the metro when I came when loves it and has to stand up a few times and share those stories with me. So I will continue to listen to the conversation and see where we go with these motions but we definitely need to bring these buses back. So, I have time. Do we have these buses readily available right now or do we have to retrofit or call them back or anything in that nature? We have them readily available to come back and start providing service. And do we have the drivers ready to go? We do, I'm going to caveat this that we do for the few that we're going to need to offset the existing standee issue if we get beyond this we're going to need more. Okay. And obviously, I know Kielis does the day-to-day and recruiting efforts and all that stuff. Did they, do we know if they could get the circulator from DC was canceled a few months back? Did they collect resumes and have like a list of folks ready to go, um, saying a stick beyond standby and go through that list or what are they planning on doing? Most of our partners, regional partners all are reached out to those drivers immediately when that happened. Okay. So, so, surprise us, Santa, I know you're aware of that, this, because of your HR past, they try to keep accounts to keep accounts of pipeline of drivers in training and we mentioned to the board before it takes 45 to 60 days to get a driver on boarded trained and operational. So the three drivers or the number of drivers that we're looking at here that Kielis is identified for early May, they were already in the pipeline to be that driver set for normal attrition. And so we were able to identify those. They will continue that process and they certainly have a heightened awareness as do we all of the potential need. Our transit planners have looked very closely at this and they modeled extensively what the pain points are and how they would be mitigated. So, but they're proposing these couple routes and the morning couple routes in the evening. We have those resources to launch that. I think May 5th is the date that they're targeting right now to get that rolling out. Thank you. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Minister. I just want to drill down the definition of revenue neutrality. So the county has invested a certain capital expense in building the transit system. Correct. We bought the buses. We built the system. That was a capital expenditure that came up in a prior by probably CIP that built the system to start with. So when we say revenue neutrality, we're talking revenue neutrality for our daily operations costs. If we hit revenue neutrality, we are paying for the daily operation of the system through fares. The $14 is revenue neutrality for the all-in capital costs, everything to operate. That's everything that's- So the whole system is revenue neutral at $14. If we drop off the $14 and we stand the schedule we're on right now with a 2.7 million in local tax funding, we're essentially sharing the burden of operating the transit system to every taxpayer incrementally. Whereas if we hit revenue neutrality at $14 on one July, then suddenly the burden, that entire burden of operating the system shifts to those people actually use the system only. Correct? So I understand that. So we went caveat, sir, whenever we get grants, so the buses are purchased with a significant grant contribution from the state. As well as if we're continuing to be fortunate to receive operational grants from the state that is a contributory as well. So that's a part of that total package. So it's not exclusively on the users of that. They are subsidized by grants that we are successful. Except my next question then would be, is the $14 reflective of the infusion of the grant money? Yes. Okay, that's what I thought. All right, so if we continue to operate the way we're operating right now, then we're amortizing some portion of the cost of the transit system to all the taxpayers in Loudon County until we hit revenue neutrality two years hence, correct? Vice going to $14 right now and shifting the burden of the system completely on the people who use the system right now. That's our option. Yes, if staff's recommendation is to make that shift in July, I believe one of the alternate proposals is to our alternate number two, which I believe has turned into a version of the alternate item, would phase that out over a series of years. Phase. Phase that in over a series. Okay, All right. So just to be clear here, we can address the immediate increase in ridership, whether we go to $14 or not. We have the capacity and the resources to address the additional buses, the additional drivers, and meet this demand. If we don't go to $14 by one July, we are absorbing that cost as part of operating at the higher level. We're absorbing that and spreading that extra cost out among all the taxpayers. At this time, actually the additional services because of the additional ridership, the additional fair revenue accumulating will offset those costs. Okay, good, thank you. I am so surprised that we've had a long discussion about this. All I have said was we're gonna go back to revenue neutrality. I didn't say how or when, so we can be flexible. I mean, Mr. Eternal, the reason I'm putting this forward is because of discussion we just add. If our goals to get there are goals to get there, some people's goals might not be to get there with a motion that you and Miss Brixman are bringing. It's because of the discussion we just add. If our goals to get there are goals to get there, some people's goals might not be to get there with a motion that you and Ms. Bricksmum are bringing. Some people's goals are to maybe to get there with the motion that staff is bringing. Some people's goals maybe to get there another way, but everyone's goal is still to get to revenue neutrality, which really is all this motion is saying. all this motion is doing is given us flexibility to get to revenue neutrality. That's all this is doing. Nothing more, nothing less. It's just not that deep. There was quite some time ago in Mr. Pro, she might remember when a study for people who were writing the commuter buses and they were asked if the commuter buses were not available, would you write the metro? The vast majority of them said no. The vast majority of them said they would get in their cars because the vast majority of these writers can't afford to write the commuter bus are their employers paying for them to write the commuter bus. A lot of them might be in pay for it by their employers. So we should not assume that if we, if, if, if, that these people, if they don't write, that they don't write the commuter bus, they're going to get on Metro. They're not. They're going to get in their cars and, and, and clock up the roads a little bit more. The fact that, as Mr. Sains pointed out, the fact that we have people standing and we need more buses speaks to the demand for this bus system. That's what it does. This is the one, this is the one time that I've been in parades. People have come out the audience, out the crowd in parades and said, please don't take away the commuter bus system. People want this bus system. And I have fought for a long time to keep this bus system even when there was a discussion about it going away when Metro was approved. So I am very committed to this bus system, but I'm also committed to not subsidizing this bus system by people who would not even get on the Metro. They would get in their cars. Why would we subsidize this bus system, the commuter bus system for this population? So $14 all at once is a lot. That's going there pretty fast. And so maybe there's a way to get there slower and have different options. But the idea that we shouldn't be trying to get back to revenue neutrality is foreign to me. Of course, that should be our goal in my opinion. Thus, that's all this motion is doing. So I made the motion, supervisor glass, seconded the motion, all people say aye. Aye. Opposed? That motion will pass seven, two, with Mr. Luterno and Miss Brickspan voting against getting back to revenue neutrality. So the next part of the motion, so I'm going to make this motion only because it's in the package. That's it. If no one seconds the motion, it's fine. But staff with the motion for it, so I'm going to make the motion. And then I'll go to either miss bricks and a missile to turn. I'm not sure which one you're going to go to for the alternate motion. The packet motion is the revenue neutrality policy would be for fiscal year 2026 and direct staff to execute and necessary budget adjustments. Adjust the one way commuter bus fare is to $14,000 affected by July 1st, 2025, retain nine commuter bus is previously authorized for surplus and estimate and appropriate 101, and the representative of the community, excuse me, excuse me. Busfare revenue for the Department of General Service in fiscal year 25. Okay, that motion was made in seconded. I have no opening, I didn't think it was going to be seconded actually. I think I actually think the staff makes a motion, I'm going to try to respect that. I actually think $14 is a lot to jump to right away. And so I'm not going to, I made the motion out of respect to staff, but I think $14 are the bit much to jump to right away. But let's discuss this motion since it's on the table now. So anybody else will discuss this motion. Okay, all the people who say aye. Oppose. No. That motion will fail eight to one. Miss, who's making the motion? Miss Bricksman, which I can make a motion. Yes. I move that the board is Supervisors, well this says maintain the revenue neutrality policy waivers. So we just voted not to do that correct. So I have to adjust this motion, colleagues. So I move the Board of Supervisors, increase the one way. So, ma' map chair. Yes. I think supervisor Brisbane, if I may, you just need to say fiscal 27 or later instead of fiscal 26. I move the Board of Supervisors increase the one way fair in the commuter bus service starting in FY27. No, I'm saying the revenue neutrality statement instead of saying restored revenue neutrality in fiscal 26. Oh, do it in 27. Yeah, we just say FY27 or later. Or later. OK. Right. And then you would go to the rest of your motion. So I move the Board of Supervisors continue the commuter bus revenue neutrality policy until that's not fiscal year 27 or later? No, that's not right, Mr. M. Street. So, supervisor, it's a chair Randall's motion was to reinstate fiscal new. No, no, I didn't say, no, no, it wasn't. My motion was simply to reinstate the community bus systems and get back to the new childy. I didn't say that. That's what the alternative motion said that as well. what your motion was simply to reinstate the community bus systems and get back to the community. I didn't say that. That's what the alternative motion said as well. That's what your motion was, which is what was approved by the board. So I'm just saying your motion would now read. I move that the board of supervisors continue the commuter bus, revenue neutrality policy, beginning in FY27 or later, and then you would read the rest of your motion. Fiscal year FY27. Correct. Fiscal year. Not calendar year. You think I should delete the word waiver? Yes, because you've already passed, so the fiscal neutrality, the revenue neutrality policy would begin in FY27 or later. Well no she said it's not going to begin until we want to begin it. She said she wasn't putting a time barrier on it. You're modifying that by setting the time for it now. But now you are your motion does. Well the original motion said increase the fares by $1 per fiscal year starting in FY27 until revenue neutrality has been reached. So with this motion, it gave us leeway to have neutrality reached in 27, 28, 29. Correct. The way I've worded it, you're saying the same thing. It's just saying just saying it in front of. So I should say FY 27 or later. Correct. Okay. All right. Let me try this again. I went of clarification to Michael. How about implement the revenue neutrality policy in FY 27 or later? That would work. That sounds good. Is that okay? Mr. Hems Street? Yes. Okay. I move that the Board of Supervisors implement the revenue neutrality policy starting in fiscal year 27 or later. Retain the nine community buses previously authorized for surplus and estimate and appropriate $101,000 of communityuter bus fare revenue for the Department of General Services in FY 2025. And direct staff to prepare an item to evaluate revenue neutrality for FY27. Second. Thank you. Did you intend to increase the fare to $12 meeting that is approved by the board. In December. That was done during our transit summit. So that can stay in December. That's staying. And we can cover those expenses for fiscal year 26. You don't need to start in July? Yeah. You don't need for it to start in July. No sir. Since we don't have revenue and travel requirement in July, we're fine with it not starting in July. Okay. If I might ask staff a quick question with this plan of implementation. Do you know what the projected LTF might be for fiscal year 2027? Say we only raise it to 13. We would have to do more analysis on the giving you any kind of decent numbers. Because what's going to drive that is what grants we get and how ridership stays strong. It's going to substantially reduce the amount of- That's what I thought. contract contract rates, I did mention- I need to mention that. We're getting ready to go into renegotiations of contract rates, which changes a lot of things. So I'm not at all comfortable giving you a number on that at this time. Okay. Okay. I guess, you know, in general, I don't have an issue with subsidizing a public service. Nobody expects the riders of Metro to fully pay for Metro. I mean, there's certain infusions that go into Metro to provide that public service. There is a rider fee. I don't have it seen the numbers, the chair might be correct in that folks would be willing to pay that this threshold might be up to $28 a day. I don't know and staff, you can bring it to me at some point if I've seen this and I don't remember it. But I don't know that we have seen any data that shows us that number one, the employers are paying for this, I assume some of them are, some of them may not be. I don't know that I've seen data that folks who ride the commuter buses are necessarily not gonna feel it if the rate immediately goes up to $14 or if we go to revenue. Like I don't know if I've seen the data that I don't want to use the term wealthy, I bet this is the only term I'm coming up with. The people can necessarily afford an expensive $30 or $28, $30 round trip bus every day of the week all year long. And it wouldn't be hurting them. And we know that inflation is not necessarily going down. We know that everyone's worried about costs and expenses. So I like this plan that we're going to go to $12 starting in December. We'll go up and we'll bring it back to us in fiscal year 27 maybe in another year and we can evaluate how it's going I think that the increased ridership especially with nine additional buses really might reduce that 2.7 million that we've had to put in this this coming fiscal year and so I'll be interested in learning those numbers so and I would appreciate my colleagues support on this thank you Mr. Lattino. Thank you. I mean I'll just start for a question for sub-reservoirs from through the chair. So what good dropped in this was the $1 per year. Yes. Do we think that it is necessary to say fair should increase at that increment starting in FY27, or would you wish to just keep it? I would prefer, because we're gonna evaluate it. It's coming for evaluation anyway, so then we can decide, yeah, that would be my question. So what this does is just basically, despite the regular rule we just went through, it keeps the revenue neutrality policy really in place for two years, which allows us waiver, which allows us to not shock the system, basically. And the real issue I have with it was that we went through a whole process, we announced fair changes, we announced fair increases. I don't think it's fair to people to then who frankly make plans kind of longer term based on what their community's going to cost and things like that to then suddenly change it, especially effective July 1 when it's April, when we just changed it for January. And we've already told them we're going to change it again for December. So at that point, it would be from the current, which is 11, it would be a $3 increase on $11, rough math, that's like almost 30% increase. So that's too much. So we were really just trying to come up with a way to slow it down while getting us eventually to revenue neutrality, but not having to do so immediately. So I think this makes sense. We are subsidizing it a little bit for this period of time. We can have time to talk about it. So as I understand it, there are no additional roots coming into the dull south stops from this nine, correct? Because I have gotten my own complaints about standing coming from writers in that area. Not a lot, but a few. I have to look, but I believe there is one. There is one. Right. That's what I was trying to get earlier in the day was exactly which routes and the answer I think was was none of those but that we got back anyway. We just kept the level, we just kept it at a high level of where we're doing. We're trying to offset the, we're trying to strategically play specials to do that. Well, we have to follow up with that because since I have been contacted by residents who are complaining about standing as well, I would like to be able to say that we're trying to address it and I'm sure everybody would depending on where your riders are You know, so so we know like where we're actually adding arous In all fairness we really didn't know what's gonna happen until tonight Pass through and we can make a decision on where we could go with budgeting and everything and I And I know this was asked, but you think you can get drivers quickly enough to start this effective. Was it July 1 or? We can get enough drivers to support a couple of routes in early May. Beyond that, we're going to have to start from scratch higher on drivers. Okay. If I may, Madam Chair Chair, just a little bit of a follow on to the supervisor of turn up. And when you ask the, in your area, are you referring to the Delas transit center specifically? Or are you referring to Eastgate and Stone Ridge? Right. Okay. It's want to make sure I add that clear. Thank you. Mr. Turner? Thank you, Madam Chair. Now I'm confused. I want to make sure I got it right. So Chair Randall's motion reinstated the commuter bus revenue neutrality policy period. Civilizer Briskman's motion directs the board that staff to implement the revenue neutrality policy not later than FY27 or later. And you already have a schedule that will achieve revenue neutrality by 27 that was instituted at the transit summit. Sir, we have two years of increases that were not directly based on revenue or ridership projections. They moved us toward that goal so so we will need to come back to you in the 2027 budget process. With more data, more analysis, better understanding of what revenues we will be getting or projecting and estimating to better articulate what revenue neutrality looks like 27 forward. Okay, got that, but we have a schedule right now. We are going to increase fairs right now based on prior direction. Or we're going to leave them where they aren't? The only approved increase at this juncture is in December 2025, from going up to $11 to $12. Okay, so that's still in place. Yes, sir. Okay. Why, I don't know the question, it was really important. I know, I mean, you're all gonna have to bear with me. I want to ask this question. I'm going to watch the clock run down here. Oh, okay. So what we've just decided right now, we are going to begin to be able to perceive palpable relief of the overcrowding by early May. Yes sir. They should start feeling that ease of that pain and then it will get progressively better after that presumably. Depends on ridership, right? Right, we'll add the buses and then depending on where ridership goes from there. Okay, so this is going to be an iterative process. It will, but this gives staff the ability and the authority to make those adjustments. With your direction, We can have the professionals align those routes to make sure that they are addressing the known points as they're occurring. So, and staff has done this previously. They have that flexibility under the current construct. We did not have that. This gives us those authorities to do so. And the whole success of everything we just talked about depends on President Trump. I'm sorry. You don't have to answer that. You don't have to answer that. There's a chart of a question. It's all I have to think. I wasn't. So, I actually don't believe we should be subsidizing this. I'm going to disagree that I do mine. I would mine subsidizing this service. I can think of a lot more things I'd rather spend this to me and dollars on and subsidize and I put in our housing trust fund. I would give itizing this service. I can think of a lot more things I'd rather spend this $2 million on than subsidizing. I put in our housing trust fund. I would give it to our nonprofits. There's a lot of things I would, I mean, we have a bus service, intercounting bus service, it doesn't cost anything right now. People could get on the metro if they want to, but we can't subsidize everything. And I would have a lot of issue subsidizing this service. If we have grants and things that we find and we see great, let us know. We can go with this for now, but I wanted this to be a little more fluid if needed. We want to have the goal to get back to the revenue neutral. But if we, as different things come in and different information is given to us, to us. We may be, we may change when and how we adjust the bus fare while still with the goal of achieving revenue neutrality. But I will tell you this service is not a service I want to to ever subsidize. I don't want to shock them all at once because because I think 11 to 14 is a shock, especially in that short period of time. So I wouldn't want to do that. But there's no way in the world that in the end, this is a service I want to subsidize. Clearly, this is a service of very high demand, which is why we're having this conversation. And if you have this high of demand and you have, and truthfully, I don't know that every single person is paying this every day. Some people may work from home some days, some people may not go in and I don't know what they're doing. And I did not say that jobs are covering them. I said, that's possible, but I do know, I do know for a fact that when asked would you, if this wasn't here, would you get on the metro, the vast majority of people who wrote this service said no, they were getting their car. That much I know for a fact. And so people who are not even willing to get on the metro, I'm not subsidizing this service for them. That's just not something I think we need to do. And so I'll support this motion. And then as we learn new things, if we get scholarship, grant money, if we have a whole lot of people going back to work, or less people going back to work, because it's going on the federal government, all kinds of things can change right now. I mean, things are very much in flux as it relates to who is going into Washington, or even Alexandria on whatever for a job. Things are pretty much in flux. So I want us to be flexible enough to respond to it while still having the same goal. So I'll support this motion now and we'll see if we have to change it in the future. Would you like to have a closing, Mr. Bricksman? I would, thank you, Madam Chair. So I think this gives us some flexibility over the next couple of years to reevaluate. I mean, it's really clear just from the numbers that you have here that this is changing rapidly and has changed drastically. I mean, if you look at the ridership total riders per month from December 24 to March 2025, it has more than doubled. More than doubled. It's gone up 73% compared to July of 2024 and 48% since July of 2025. Pre-per-trip ridership is now at 38. That's up 52% since January. 68 of our buses have standees. So I'm fairly confident that with that type of demand that we will be able to get to revenue neutrality at some point in the near future in the next couple years. But, you know, I also wanted to, I looked for her name. I wanted to thank the speaker who came today and really kind of drove this home and made it a human issue for us, the what she's with, trying to utilize the commuter bus. And, you know, I also think that it's not just a benefit to the riders to have this service. I think it's a benefit for other people who do have to drive, to have less cars on the road. I think it's a benefit to have fewer cars on the road for the environment and the carbon output and all of that. So I think it is a benefit that I think that we should be investing in and I don't, as I said earlier, I don't really mind investing in it. I did want to also thank Supervisor Lutorno for hopping on this with me. Our staffs worked on this today together and I appreciate Supervisor Lutorno and we are on the same page without even knowing it and so I thank him for working with me on this. He wanted a co-sponsor but we don't really co-sponsor motions. So anyway, I thank colleagues for your support and I look forward to the updates from staff. Thank you. Well, he was able to second it so there you go. All of of people who say aye. Oppose. All right, that motion will pass unanimously. Let's go to the next motion today, which is, is it the last item? Work plan to any council. No, because number 11 got put on consent. So I think it is just the work plan. Number 10 and are seven slides on this presentation. And I think we'd like to see them. Are you all by yourself today, sir? I am. Judy was out sick today. We believe in you. I can't sit by. All right. We're ready when you are. Yes, ma'am. Good evening, board. I'm the pleasure of talking about our quarterly work plan update. And one thing, as you noted in the item, that's different this time. I'm seeking at least a little bit of specific guidance about the data center phase two project. So if it would please the board, I'd like to run through sort of these simpler updates on other projects first and then circle back to the data center question. We can fit in the other motions, at least the ones I know of at your pleasure. There's only two up here right there. Yeah. Yeah. So I was last in front of you in January 22nd on the most recent update. Since that time we have adopted the data center phase one, ZOM and CPAM. We have also finalized the rural store village classification CPAM. So a couple of updates on the ZOM work plan is that for phase two of the data center project at least as we have previously laid it out to you and the board to prove the project plan, we would anticipate that taking approximately 18 months or so from now into the fall of 26 for completion because of the number of things that are within that. And as I said, I will circle back to that later. We've also had some movement on the zoning ordinance rewrite adjustments. So we have presented at least the topics, not the specific language, but the topics and thoughts on that to the Zoning Ordinance Committee, both in March and April, and we'll also be returning in May. So we have bumped the completion date of that back quarter anticipation of hopefully wrapping up conversations with them in May, June at the latest, and then bringing a resolution of intent to amend to the board. The floodplain overlay district, while it's being primarily led by building development, it is still a ZOM and they are presenting to both, joint meeting of the SOC and the FSM Public Review Committee on May 1st to begin the review of the ZOM, DOAM language that would be associated with this. For our non-historic community planning initiatives on the St. Louis village plan, even though I still have it as TBD, we have recently completed the second meeting out in St. Louis with the non-kind design cabinet. And so we are incorporating some of their ideas into the draft village plan. We are anticipating bringing the draft back to the planning commission in the June, July, timeframe. And hoping that we will be with you after the August break to present that plan to you as well and try to move that forward to completion. We are also currently pursuing the 2024 general plan review CPM, which you may recall, is sort of a broader than just a cleanup, but it is something that is oriented towards issues that staff has observed over the past five or so years of using the general plan. And so it's addressing a collection of those items to try to clean them up separate from any other sort of CPM process. That will be what the Planning Commission of Public I'm not really sure if you're curious later this month. It has recently been out for review. And we have had some, I'm not sure quite sure what the Tata characterise them, but listening sessions, essentially some work sessions with members of the development industry and others to talk about the various components of this with them as part of that. So we've made some changes in what is presented to the commission later this month will incorporate as much of that feedback that we think is essentially a good idea and that should be before you, hopefully before too long as well. One big update that I do want to highlight is that the countywide transportation plan review previously was TBD. We are now putting a date on it that is going to be partly dependent on some meetings that we're proposing with you and May with both DTCI and DPC staff to among other things kind of gather from you some of the individual issues that you would like to look at in the CTP so we can better understand the scope of what that project might look like. But approximately we're kind of looking at a summer 2025 to summer of 2027 sort of timeline, but again that is going to depend on the feedback that we receive from you as well. For our historic planning initiatives, one thing that I highlighted on the preservation equity initiative phase two is that we are looking to use a little bit of the money that we still have allocated to that project. To doing a national register of store places application for the first Baptist Church of Watson. Watson is historically African American community and as part of the village classification see Pemme mentioned earlier. It's now mentioned specifically in the general plan as a rural store community. So not a village, as you recall the villages we we were at least looking at them all having smaller plans in future years. The communities would not have that level of input, but we do have now added policy guidance to support those communities with small scale targeted community-based initiatives. And this would be the first one of those potentially. So that is something that we are looking at doing. The- And the last update is not actually a project update, but one thing I do like to do when I can bring good news to you is that I had noted there were 11 vacancies in the item within the department and we have since had to other people sign on for job offers. So we are down to nine current vacancies at the moment. So that is all of the updates I have for everything other than the data center project which we can circle back to now or after we discuss this. Oh gosh. There's one motion on the day is right now that's not part of the data center project. And so, uh... Well... Oh, okay, that's two. Well then let's do these, let's do these right now before then Mr. Crony makes another motion. And so let's do these motions first. Miss Glass, would you like to make your motion first? Yes. Are we not going to have some questions? I was going to do questions in motion. You guys will need to do because we're going to literally have four rounds of motions on this day is right now. So my questions have nothing to do with either of these motions. Right. Let me do that. Can you put them in the final motion? Can your questions be asked in the final motion? In the packet motion? Let me just say this. I hear on a regular basis from my colleagues that we're on the day is too long and let's go in and let's move get moving. And I said the one way to do that is go straight to motions. So I'm trying to do that more often and I'm getting pushed back. So again, this is my full time job. It's fine with me. But I don't want to hear people talk about how we're on here too long if you want to ask questions in advance of a motion. So Ms. Bricksman, Do you have one ask questions? Ask questions. OK. My questions are about the Zora adjustments. Can we within the Zora adjustments include childcare facilities, child day centers as an accessory use in chapter 3, table 3.3-01 permitted accessory uses structures, if not, as a BMI needed. So we can do anything that the Board gives direction to do. What we have tried to orient internally with that is truly about clarifications and corrections of anything that was perhaps an inadvertent missing language or a use was listed incorrectly whether it was permitted and should have been special exceptions something to that nature. So we have purposefully not included from our internal direction anything that's a good idea but is not a clarification or correction. But since we do have this going on, we could incorporate it if we just received that direction from the board, especially what sounds like a simple change if it's something that the board would like us to do. Okay, and it's coming back in the fall of this year. So the resolution of intent to amend would likely come before you June, July at the latest we hope. And then we would actually make the text changes and then proceed through the normal hearing process. Okay, so then that would be an opportunity to ask for these text changes. It could be, I would actually say if you want them that we could just do them by motion now, or really any of you all's meetings just make a motion that we have it incorporated. It doesn't have to necessarily, at least on the firm's or have a sheet. But for something like that, if you make a motion to have us incorporated, it doesn't have to be associated with one of our items necessarily. Oh, okay, all right. Well, I'll talk to you about these ideas offline then. Thank you. Still don't know thank you the county wide transportation plan review is now listed a summer of 27 I've been asking about this one constantly. Is there anything we can do to move that up? So like I said, that's going to depend on I think the scope of the- I'm aware of some individualized desires that certain board members have, but definitely not the majority of you you and so once we meet with all of you hopefully in May We can better pin down what that timeline might be so possibly but I without really knowing what everybody Wanted impacted by other stuff in the work plan or not as much because it's sort of different staff No, it's really not impacted by others in the work plan per se It's one of the things that we do we're gonna have to do with that CPAM that we don't for most of our others is run the actual transportation network model and as long as we don't make any significant changes to place types or anything in the meantime Yeah, that should be pretty static. Okay it a CPM? Yes. Yeah. Is that as follow 25 on phase one as fast as that can be done no matter what? Pretty much. Pretty much. Yes. Like if we move something else out of the way, it wouldn't really be done faster. No, and I actually had that conversation with Pat Gileo just last week. But no, we were already utilizing consulting services right now. are waiting to receive materials that we then review and go through adding another staff member to it really doesn't seem like we had any. So the good news is that may have asked some questions taken some time but that's going to save us from having a motion. All right. Madam Chair, may I provide information to Sue Roser? Lieutenant? Sure. Mr. Ruz, let me just want to mention to remind the board that there's an extensive review process that can take as much as three to five months with V dot once we once we develop a plan and you endorse it So we're kind of at their mercy, so that will extend that timeline Miss glass you want this question make a motion. I want to make a motion madam Madam Chair. Okay. You ready? I move that the Board of Supervisors add old Ashburn to the list of villages that will undergo small area plans through Project 9 on table 2 of the Department of Planning and Zoning Work Plan Item 10 staff report. Motion made seconded by Ms. Bricksman discussion on the motion. Ms. Glass. Yes, thank you Madam Chair. I'm making this motion to add Old Ashburn to the Village Small Area Plan's project because I believe there are several aspects of Old Ashburn that are worth saving and need analysis done specifically for that area to best provide a path forward. There's currently a village conservation overlay district for ashburn but it does not include the old ashburn elementary nor the nationally registered ashburned Presbyterian church. The land use historic preservation initiatives, county facilities, and future infrastructure all need to be looked at in tandem to guide future decisions that will save what remains of the old village. I've wanted to have Old Ashburn added to the work plan for some time and after my meeting with staff yesterday to discuss the pros and cons, I believe the time is now. I hope my colleagues will support my motion to Old Ashburn in the village's small area plans project and allow staff to prioritize it with the other 15 villages as we strive to protect what is left of Old Ashburn. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. What's your best guess at where this would fit into the queue? Would this automatically move to the bottom of the pile and give priority to the ones in front of it? Or would the entire mix be reprioritized so that this one could replace priority of ones that are already on the list? So the only direction we've received in board right now was to list the three villages that would kind of be at the front of the line and even that is subject to change. We're going to have to bring back a project plan to you for both the individual plans, but also sort of the plan for how long it takes to do all of them. So we can determine the prioritization at a later time. It doesn't automatically do anything right now. I can support this. Thank you. Ms. Glassman, you first called me about this this morning or the last night and whenever that was. I was like, really, seriously, why? But then when you just said, it makes a good point because when I think of an old aspirin, I think of just that one strip by the firehouse and that type of things, but you make a good point that there's other parts of Old Asperin that we haven't modernized. And maybe if it was part of a village plan, we won't modernize it because I do think it was, it was unfortunate how it happened, but the fact that there are fairly modern town homes, and on one side of the street of Old Asperin kind of bifurcating that village is very unfortunate. But if you go further back, there are other things back there that are still considered Old Asperin. And I have forgot about those areas until you just said that. So I'm happy to support this motion. Thank you, Madam Chair. It's like a closing. I just asked that my colleague support this and we kind of was hoping that there are other parts of eastern Loudon that we could look at but it looks like Old Ashburn is probably one of the last places where it has enough to try to save. All right motion is was made by supervisor Klasen. Mr. Bricksman, on people who say aye. Any opposed? That motion will pass 9-0. Mr. Kirschner, you have a motion. Thank you, yes. I move the Board of Supervisors, direct staff to prepare. Propose amendments within the zoning ordinance rewrite adjustment. Number one, zoning ordinance amendment to modify the standards of the mountainside feature protections as set forth in the line county zoning ordinance section five 0.04 mountainside overlay district to expand the coverage activities permitted with the overlay and to allow for modifications of certain standards for such covered activities. Motion be Mr. Kirsch a second on the motion. I can't support this. I'm going to second this for the point of discussion, but I don't believe I'm supporting this. Mr. Kershner. Okay, thank you Madam Chair. So one of the things I have we have been running into and first of all I want to thank staff for making this recommendation to add this to the discussion of the rewrite that we're going through right now. I think it's probably something, again, when we passed the zoning ordinance, there are things you can't all completely get correct. There are kind of hangups, and what this emotion essentially attempting to do is to make to allow the staff to kind of view some of the issues that have risen with applicants who have come on issues that they're having and to allow the staff to perhaps address those. In some of these situations, I think special exceptions, for example, aren't even allowed. I'll give you a perfect example. There is zero tolerance whatsoever. It's required under the current zoning ordinance requires a 300 foot buffer around a spring house. That's over a thousand foot area. And with no remedy whatsoever, or even a review to review whether or not some mitigation can or cannot take place given that situation. So what this emotion really allows to do is add to our work plan within the zoning learners rewrite and Western Law and zoning learners rewrite to allow staff to come forward with a couple of, I would probably call them and maybe Dan, you can correct me or Joe, these will probably be minor or recommendations for changes that we could potentially consider within that process that we're going through now. Is that a fair assumption? And could you maybe elaborate on that a little? Sure, so I would take the direction to mean that we would actually just put the work into that. there are two mountainside features that are protected under this section. One is the Ridge feature protection and the other is the spring feature protection. And so right now there is no ability to modify, to even consider any differences to what the standards are. So we would be looking at what staff could recommend about the better option that would at least allow the potential for that modification. Not something that's automatic, but something that gives the board or even maybe the zoning administrator some leeway to make things work and not be quite so rigid. And do we currently, I mean right now you can't even come in with a special exception on that. I mean it's just like zero tone, it's period if it's nonsensical, correct? Correct. And that's really, I think, the objective here is to allow staff to kind of look at the problems that have arisen with these applicants, maybe suggest some language that it would allow some, like, a little bit of flexibility there, or at least in some form of a special exception so that we don't continue to run. Would you consider? Friendly? Yeah. Sure. What is it? So would you consider the words to study modifying the zoning, study modifying zoning standards from mountainside preacher protections and study expanding the covered activities permitted within the Opalais until allow for more modifications. Because this says do it. Well, I guess having staff look at income with suggestions is that? We have to have the discussion at some point. I'd rather the motion say it. That would be- Well, will that be sufficient for staff to- I'm sorry, Madam Chair, I'm out of time. Would that be sufficient for staff to at least bring forward an item later that would say, hey, this is what we've looked at and make suggestions potentially? We could, I guess my perception of it in drafting the motion was that we would provide language with some of that study background explaining it. obviously the board will have the final say in whether each line that we're proposing as an amendment gets included or not like we did with so or it'll be a table. We'll get to vote if you'd like, maybe not ideally, but if you'd like, line by line about those different changes. A lot of what's currently in the adjustment zone is going to be pretty minute for something like this. At least you would have a proposal in front of you that you could evaluate inside if you like it or not. But if you'd like us just to study it. Okay, let me think about this. The crony. So I have a question. So the mountainside overlay district is in the rural CPAM zone. It's one of our topics under our project schedule. So I'm just questioning the need for this. I mean, my understanding with zoning ordinance amendment with these adjustments, these are quick fixes, right? To the zoning ordinance is my understanding. We're doing a whole overview of rural town county of the zoning ordinance and the comprehensive plan in that project. And we do have mountainside overlay as one of our topics. So I'm just wondering the need for this when we're actually, when we actually have it as a topic coming up. So the impetus for including that within the rural use of the standards project was that there were a number initially for a part of the reason that it was pushed, was that there were a number of community desires to look at things broadly that for different reasons we didn't feel like we could fit within the rewrite project. I think I have to put words in Supervisor Kirschner's trying to tailor this. Just the couple of things that are so rigid that if we wait for the Western Lomb project to be completed, it will be possibly completed much later than this ZOM could do. So anyone that's having issues with this rigidity right now potentially has a method to Continue with their applications or submit applications that maybe they're not submitting right now if there's flexibility at least that's an option So I would prefer they go through the world so amc pan because there is a topic about that. I mean a lot of I have a of supervisor Kirchner, there are so many people that have come to us, different stakeholders who have said, you know, it is rigid. Our zoning ordinance is rigid. You know, you look at equine and, you know, there's a lot of setbacks that are very rigid for the equine industry. So, I mean, we're fixing that. So I'd rather fix it in a comprehensive holistic view, then look at it as a one off, because I could bring a bunch of these as one off. And I thought we were looking at it holistically. The rural CPM's OAM. Okay. I'm sorry. Were you finished? I apologize, you sure? Yeah, good, Mr. Eternal. All right, so is this, this is a topic in the rural uses so I am, but the concern is that it just will take too long to get it done. Yes, I think, okay. It's accurate. Is this something that staff thinks is a significant issue? I'm kind of getting the impression that you do, honestly. I mean, it depends on how you define significant. It is rigid, so anyone that's within these areas, there's no way around it. They either can meet it or they can't. And, you know, with a 300-foot buffer in some circumstances, if 275 could be provided, but there's a reason why they can't quite get to 300, that might be a reasonable reason to allow some flexibility. Again, it all depends on how much flexibility I think we're talking about with right where we end up So I think the problem is like some of us don't have any kind of baseline really on what the issues are and I think I don't know chair Endo I think did you withdraw your friendly? No, I haven't actually made it yet. I'm giving him some time Okay, cuz I kind of like I think we need a basis to decide whether we want to put the effort into having you actually propose language and do more technical work in sort of scope out exactly what the problem is and how big it is and whether it is something that can just wait until the world uses a zonem or whether this is like a, you know, hair on fire issue for enough people that we actually have to address it earlier. I have no idea. I'm vaguely aware of this issue until I walked into the motion. I've had no discussion about it. So I don't know that I'm ready to add it to the work plan, but I think Supervisor Kirshner brings up what sounds like something that's worth exploring. So I do think a middle ground between what this motion is, but also keeping this kind of discussion going with the board or T-Lock or whatever would be a useful exercise. That's kind of where I am if that's helpful to anybody. Mr. I'm sorry, I'm stuck. Thank you Madam Chair. I guess what concerns me is this is a very general motion in its wording, but Dan, you seem to have some ideas that are very specific where you've run into people with specific problems about specific aspects. So I tend to agree with Supervisor Lutorno that I don't know exactly why we're doing this. And maybe if I did, I would be more supportive. But I wonder if sending it to T-Luck isn't the best idea if the chair of T-Lock agrees to it. I do believe that your perception that our regulations are too rigid in certain areas, that's probably absolutely correct. I know I've had concerns about that with 300 foot buffers in some instances. But I just this is such, this looks like such a generally stated change or direction that I don't really know what I'm voting on in this. So unless there's an amendment that specifies it or sends it to T-Luck, I would probably be a no vote tonight. So if I can address that slightly because we were reviewing the motion internally, similar questions were presented. It's partly, it does read broad. I'd grant you that. The mountainside feature protections that are mentioned, again, there are only two of them, so it's not that there's 12 different standards or features. So if they're both listed, it might seem a little bit more narrow there. And looking at the covered activities right now, there are, I think, four covered activities that are listed and they are very narrow. And so the intent was that we would look at whether amending both sets of this or maybe only one depending on what we don't know exactly how we would write the amendment right now. So, as a staff, we were trying to word it broadly enough to give us flexibility but narrowly enough that you had some idea of what we were talking about. Might have missed the mark, but we tried. Okay, Mr. Turner. Thank you, Madam Chair. I think Supervisor Turner is on exactly the right point that I want to make. What we're effectively saying is, whatever this is, and I don't know what it is, it's sufficiently important to pull it out of the rural CPAM process and give it priority over everything else we're talking about in the rural CPAM process. I promise you, if we put the Rural C-Pamp down down here, like we usually do, I'd get come up with 25 other priorities that are equally urgent and need to be pulled out and added to the DPC work plan as separate standalone items. I'm sorry, I just don't support that. We've got a rural CPM zone process that's going on. Staff has certainly worked in make recommendations in those discussions. And stakeholders can make recommendations. And yes, it might take longer. But that's true of every aspect of the rural CPMZOM. And I think that that is the crucible within which we can cook this soup. And this is one of the things that ought to be in that crucible and discussed. But to pull it out separately in stage, I have a separate priority, especially I don't really know what it is. Someone's gonna make the determination that really doesn't have any oversight that says, this is the issue we're trying to address. I think it needs to stand the rural CPAM zone. Thank you. So, Dan, you may have not been here, but supervise other turnovers, supervise'm still, civilized, are saying, you all were here. Remember when we had the big confusion about what was going on on the AT&T mountain and whether or not it was short here. And remember that, remember that nightmare. Remember that, we at that time made some of these things that were happening in a mountain overlay districts and then Richtop. We made them very narrow on purpose as a result of that because we purposely made these uses very, very narrow. So it's not that I don't know what they are. Is that I would have to know why we want to widen them out or do something different with them before I could say, yeah, that's why I'd them out. I know where we made them narrow. I just don't know what's going on that we need to make them wider. And without that knowledge, it's hard for me to say, yes, or no to that. So I'm gonna go back to Mr. Kirschner. And Dan, if we did say, I mean, first of all, I do think it might be a good idea for this to go to T-Luck. Of what you were on, Mr. Kirschner, as is Mr. Croney, as a, and maybe if we just send this whole thing one time to T-Luck, it may be able to give us some answers just to what's going on. And then we could shoot it back out of T-Luck with at least T-Luck. T-Luck knowing what's going on. I'm on T-Luck. Everyone who does with the rural is on T-Luck. So what if we make this the motion to move this item to T-Lock? For further discussion, to whatever the next T-Lock meeting is, which is, well, maybe not the next T-Lock meeting. Well, no, I mean, you guys got the item ready. What's the next T-Lock meeting, Mr. Crane, do you know? Well, April is full. April is full. So the to the May T-Luck meeting? So let's make them. May, however, my one thing is that I would want to know. Mr., no. Why were separated? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what we're doing. You don't get to speak right. still my time. So, so, no, I just was asking her the date of the tea luck minus I was asking it, which may make a motion to move into the May tea luck meeting. So, Mr. I just was asking her the date of the tea luck mean, that's all I was asking, which may, I make a motion to move into the May tea luck meeting. So, Mr. Kersner, would you be okay just making that motion and doing that, and into the May tea luck meeting so we can have further discussion. More broad related discuss what some of the issues are. Some of the issues, and then Dan, if you could come back and tell us exactly what we're trying to do, exactly what the issues is, because we just cannot go to the short here of mountaining again. I mean, literally a whole like band came out of the short here of mountain boys, band came out of that hole. We're not doing all this again. We're just not doing all this again. So. I'm talking to that Madam Chair. like the motion to move this item to T-Lock for- Okay, motion is made to go to T-Lock, I'm seconded. I'm seconded. To the May T-Lock meeting. Yeah, to the May T-Lock meeting. May T-Lock meeting. Madam Chair, could I just- make the motion to move this item to T-Lock for- Okay, motion is made to go to T-Lock. In second day. Second day. To the May T-Lock meeting. Yeah, to the May T-Lock meeting. To the May T-Lock meeting. Madam Chair, could I just offer two examples of what this might accomplish? One is if you have a property owner, which we're dealing with this, who has an existing driveway and they want to relocate that driveway for whatever reason, whether because it washes out frequently because of the rain from the you know coming down through the through the gravel or whatever Our regulations prohibit them from moving the driveway Period if they want to expand or replace their septic system, the regulations prohibit them from grading to creating a new septic system. These are the minor variations that we're looking for to create that kind of flexibility. Thank you, Mr. Kraboth. Well, there's a motion and a second on the table to send, So, Mr. Kirstner, we'd have to withdraw this motion. Yeah, I would draw that motion. And I would agree that it's a seconder of the motion. And now there's a motion on the table to move it to T-Luck that I have second as well. Do we need to have a discussion on the motion to move it to T-Luck? I don't, I appreciate my colleagues in support for this so we can have. Mr. Crony, that you have a question about the T-Luck motion movement to T-Luck. This is now the time for that to happen, ma'am. So, Mr. Craboth, that you have a question about the T-Luck motion movement to T-Luck. This is now the time for that to happen, ma'am. So Mr. Craboth, can I ask you a question? Okay, so we have mountainside overlay district is in our work plan for the rural C-PAM and ZOM. Wouldn't mountainside feature protections be a part of that discussion? Yes, it could very well be. Yes. But this solution would deliver a final product earlier than what we're anticipating it would. Okay, so I don't know that we need, I mean, I think I agree with Supervisor Luterno here, do we need a final product that quickly? I mean, couldn't it be part, and I agree with Supervisor Turner that, if we had all the stakeholders in the room here, everybody would say that they need their projects done, that they are having issues with setbacks and different regulations. So I don't know that I can support this. I think it needs to go under the mountainside overlay district for the rural C-PAM and ZOAM. Okay. Mr. Latterno? Yeah, I didn't quite say that. What I said was I don't know, because I don't know and I don't understand what this really is about. I guess my question to staff is, do you believe that there are other issues in the rural uses CPM similar to this that are causing as much issue that needs to be addressed quickly? Or is this sort of a standalone, it's kind of an odd ball issue? I literally don't know, I'm not asking a leading question. the project is broad enough, I'm sure that there are other issues like this. This one is just acute enough that whenever we've met with a few people, there is no option we can give them. There is no alternative. They can either meet it or they can't. And if they can't, they cannot move forward. And most of the other issues, that's not the case. And usually some process that you can. Yes. I mean my call and not far be it for me because I'm not on T-look so if they really don't want it they'll vote no but It seems like case. It's usually some process that you can. Yes. So I mean, my colleague, and Farbeer for me, because I'm not on T-look. So if they really don't want it, they'll vote no. But it seems like you could still decide not to pull it out and do anything about it. All this motion does is just have the discussion at T-look. And at least for the rest of us, they don't know anything about this. We may learn something. Sorry, I just swallowed wrong. And then if my colleagues on T-look decide, it's not worth pulling out, I'm not gonna argue with them. Bye. I don't know anything about this. We may learn something. Sorry, I just want to wrong. And then if my colleagues on T-look decide, it's not worth pulling out, I'm not going to argue with them. But I don't know that there's too much harm other than some time by sending it to T-lock. Because in Amor really, what's swaying me quite frankly is more that staff doesn't usually come at us quite this hard on something. I'm just pat sensing that. So this is not the most I'm not attempting to come at you and I need to give away just coming at us. Okay, coming at us is this hard on something. I'm just, I'm sensing that. So this is not the most important thing. I'm not attempting to come at you in any given way. I'm not coming at us. OK. Coming at us is the wrong word. But you're not usually this bullshole to the point where Mr. Crow with is like interjecting as we're about to vote to try to say, this is the problem. Here's why. So I'm kind of sensitive to that. And I think it's probably worth at least a discussion. And then if everybody decides it's not, we can't pull it out. It's a two, you know, then so be it. But at least we'll know more. So I'll support the so I'll support the I'll support chair Randall's motion. Mr. Brooksman. Thank you Madam Chair could could I ask a supervisor to corny questions for the chair. When is it supposed to come? When is the overall issue supposed to be coming to you guys in the work plan? Yeah, the mountainside. I think it's meeting number five, Joe. Am I right? But isn't that like, is it July? Is it the snow? No, July is the breweries and the wineries. Okay. That would be September. It would be September. It's supposed to come in September. Yeah, September. Okay, it's mountainside over. Okay, district, yeah. Okay, thank you. So I think this is what our committees are for. To work out issues and are the state of issues even need to be worked out. We may get there and go, okay, we're good then we're fine. And we may get there and staff will come back with more examples and Mr. Kirsten would have more examples and we'll say, okay, I see that. But I think we have these subcommittees for a reason and I think this is a great use of T-Luck. And I don't know why we wouldn't use it in this way. And yeah, so I really don't like doing this without the T-Lux chairs, you know, concurrence, because that feels like I'm forcing her. But it seems like a lot of times, you know, people are like, I think that's a discomason, but this is what the committee's afford in my opinion. So I'm going to say, let's send this to T-Lux, do you want to close? I appreciate my colleague's support. I mean, we kind of fleshed out. All right, Mr. Lutternall, I mean Mr. T-Luck, I mean this guy. Mr. I said next to you, you forgot my name. The person who made the motion, I seconded the motion to send this to T-Luck to the mate T-Luck meeting. I'm afraid to say aye. Aye. Oppose okay if you're no way to hand Okay, that's a five four vote to go to T. Luck That's a that oh, come on. It's a four four vote. Just say yes. It's a four four vote. It's four four vote fails to motions. And then that's nothing. Now we have nothing here. All right. All right. So, four, four for one vote, it's for for one. With Miss Glass abstaining, so it fell to the motion fails. Okay. All right. I'm gonna go back and change my motion on Ms. All right. I'm going to go back and change my motion on Ms. Glass's vote and say no to her. Okay. Okay, so there's a motion on the work plan. Mr. Crony, would you like to make the motion on the, plan. Mr. Crony, would you like to make the motion in the item for the work plan then we'll go to the data centers? It's on page 13 of the item. Yes, okay, I'm going to do more plan. Okay, I move that the Board of Supervisors approve the current list of projects listed in tables 1, 2, and 3 on the department of planning and zoning work plan as identified in the April 15th, 2025 Board of Supervisors Business Meeting Action Item. And you want to also say that you move that and and to include and to include and to include as adjusted as adjusted this evening for to include. I move. Okay. And to include. As adjusted this evening for to include Old Ashburn. Oh, and to include. And to include. Old Ashburn. The village of Old Ashburn. Yes, there you go. I love that. Yes. Ask the motion. Okay. I will second that motion. Discussion on the motion. Mr. Croney. No discussion. discussion I think we already had the discussion. All I will say is this, there is something to be said around about courtesy to a colleague that can be extended with no skin off people, no skin off people, the extent courtesy to a colleague. I think that that's a good practice to do, and I think it makes us a stronger board when we extend courtesy. Tonight the courtesy was not extended, and I don't really see a reason why it wasn't. Would you like to close Mr. Crony? No closing on that one. All right, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Oppose. That motion would pass 9-0. Let's do data centers, please. Okay. I was wondering why you're spacking up. Okay, I move that the board, I do, wait, well, you have anything you want to say? Nothing, nothing when I add. Okay. Nothing. Okay. I move that the Board of Supervisors for the data center, design, standards and locations face to project scope to the Transportation and Land Use Committee for discussion and re-evaluation and direct staff to return to a future board business meeting with a revised project plan incorporating the committee's recommended revised scope, schedule and cost Motion is made and second by supervisor Turner for this to send this to T-Luck. Yes. Okay. So the data center design standards and locations phase two item was deferred on March 18th and has not been discussed. Sendy and T-Luck gives the committee a chance to discuss the item in more detail. My intention is that will be discussed in one committee meeting in May and then it comes back to the full board. The Phase 2 CPAM will consider amendments to the Loudoun County General Plan to address land use, site and building design, sustainability, water, energy, light and light, and noise policies pertaining to data centers. It will also consider the ZOM updates to the zoning ordinance to include additional standards that may include noise attenuation measures, building and site design, landscaping and buffering, accessory use requirements, and the establishment of data center uses within existing structures. Phase two will also develop policies and additional zoning standards for design and performance guidelines for utility substations and microgrids. So these are things that we really haven't discussed, and I think sending it to T-Lock gives us an opportunity to really define the scope, And to also have a larger discussion like do we want to have an innovation summit? Is that something we do we want to bring in data centers, stakeholders to talk about onsite power generation and how that might look? So there's a lot of different ideas and different topics to be discussed. And I think T-Lock is the right place for it to go because we deferred it, we haven't had it at the board so it makes sense for the committee to take a further evaluation of the item. Thank you. Mr. Sains. I think I'm at your point of clarification really quickly and if you want to rule me out of order, I understand. an underlying issue here as to why we're recommending this go to T-Luck for discussion related to staffs, understanding of what the motion we passed on March 18th, whether it's a permanent motion or a temporary motion. Okay. This whole discussion can be boastful, abbreviated, but also clarified if I can- I am going to rule you out of order right now because because I'm going to give you a reason because when these items are written staff gives us options for motions. This is one of the options for a motion that they have put in fact this is motion number one in this item and they gave us this Notion number one option. And when you get to, when you get to you to speak, if you want to ask staff that question, you may. But the discussion is still appropriate and then we'll get to you to your time. Mr. Sains. Thank you Madam Chair. And real briefly, because I obviously have a little limited time, the staff feel saying it's the tea luck or coming back to the board? Will that extend the project and their silver how long? So it could extend it. I think staff was presenting this and assuming that it would go to the tea luck for a more focused discussion. Based on the potential that the board made hope that the scope would be narrowed. instead of, instead of kept the same or expanded based on the potential that the scope may, the Board may just hope that the scope would be narrowed instead of, instead of kept the same or expanded based on some commentary on the 18th and based on all data centers now being a special exception. So the Board's going to see all of them regardless of what other standards we may or may not put in place. So it may not expand the timeline, depending on the scale of the scope, it's ultimately agreed upon. Okay. All right, so as of right now for this, do we have? Microgrid is already inserted into this. Yes. That's correct. District energy was that incorporated into this already? Was the noise attrition measures incorporated in this already? Yes, noise is something we've looking. Okay. So, I don't know what exactly would be discussed at T-Lock, because those are things that we've talked about and provided information to staff from various points of views and what not so. I kind of feel not necessarily to go to T-Lock to have an extra meeting and then send it back to the board because a lot of the stuff that we already discussed that we want to see is already incorporated in this. So I'll be glad to listen to the discussion. But right now if I had to vote, I would vote to send it to the board and not to T-Lock. Thank you. Is it a T-Lock? Yeah, is it a T-Lock? I'll be very clear. What I'm looking for out of T-Lock is to delete, not add. So, but the reality is there are things that we were contemplating as part of the C-PAM that I don't think are necessary anymore because of the previous item that we adopted. And so there's no reason to waste time telling staff to go out on standards and uses for by-write data centers when there aren't going to be any by-write data centers in the future. So that is why, however the most efficient way to accomplish that is, that's what we need to do. And I think sending it to T-Lock could be an efficient way to accomplish that. It's either that or we do it tonight or we do it on the fly or somebody brings motions. But we don't typically work that well that way. So I'm fine with sending it to T-Lock now. But I want to say, like going into it, if this comes back and we've now added this that the other thing on top of it, I probably wouldn't support it when it comes back to us. But if we can narrow down the scope, there are some important additions to this CPAM, Supervisor, I think Turner have won recently on the microgrid issue. There are some things that we add to this that we need to do, but there's also some things we don't need to do anymore. So let's just focus this and then get it back to the board and get moving Miss Brickman Thank you Madam chair. Why why is the project delayed till till fall of 2026 now? Part because we we hope that there'd be more overlap the amount of work we had to put in the finalized phase one Didn't allow staff to do that. And also our consulting help has kind of been put on hold different times as this project has evolved because if we had started them down the two previous paths we've given them, we would end up not using the work that they have done so we have not had any work really happening on phase two in the background at this point. Okay, so that kind of answers one of my other questions because we did provide the consultant as a resource and I was wondering if they've been used. It sounds like they haven't been used. No. Initially they were gonna do mapping. When we broke out phase one to focus on mapping, we handled that in-house. And we were going to move them towards looking at some of these standards for phase two, but there has been a lot of evolution on that in the past few months. So as you can see my head is exploding right now. That this has been delayed another, I guess, six months, and then sending it to T-Lock could delay it another two months probably. It's hard for me to tell whether we've actually leveraged the, you know, the consultants that, you know, I made a special motion and got funded for it to be used. It, I agree with Supervisor Lutorno that I would like to see things deleted that we don't need. I feel like why couldn't we trust staff just to say you don't need to do stuff on buy rights because you don't have buy right anymore. That seems like an obvious thing to me. It seems to me like the description as to what phase two was supposed to be includes all the things that Supervisor Takroni was saying. It's issues such as but not limited to noise attenuation building and site design design, landscaping, buffering, accessory use, replacements, building design, sustainability, energy, water, air, light, noise concerns. So I guess it's hard for me to agree to send this to TILUQ when it would delay and I believe that what it is already envisioned covers everything that Supervisor Tachroni just listed. And again, I am more up to deleting things from what needs to be done and not adding things. And the idea of a forum, like that just makes, I hope the forum you're you're isn't supposed to be before we pass base two, because if we have to go through another public input forum, I will lose my mind. So I guess I somewhat understand the merit, but honestly, I'm not sure I can support this. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Turner. Thank you Madam Chair. Through several discussions I've had with staff, I believe there is some confusion on staff of the intent of the March 18 meeting on attaching aspects to all data centers. And the confusion is, and I don't know that it's confusion, so correct me if I'm wrong. Staff was under the impression, I believe, that when we passed the motion on March 18th, that attaches specs to all data center development until we came up with performance standards in phase two, in which case we will have defined by right development, the specs will be removed and the performance standards will apply. That is the current size of the phase two project that is currently being contemplated. If we can clarify for staff here tonight that the intent of the board of a majority of the board was for a specks to be attached to all data centers permanently with our March 18th judgment, it completely changes and radically reduces the scope of the project into figure out what we're going to do. I don't know if the performance standards clearly doesn't apply because you got a specs attached. So there's no such thing as a by-right data center. So it's not a performance standard. But I want to set noise standards. I want to set back standards. What form do they come into? They come in a CPAM, do they in the zoning ordinance? If we can simply clarify for staff, yes, the intent or March 18th motion was to permanently attach aspects to data centers. Then they can come to T-Log very quickly and say based on that guidance, this is the much reduced scope of phase two that we can kick out very fast and give them some direction. I can make a motion right here now asking for the sense of the board was our intent for the March 18th specs attachment to be permanent. If the answer to that is yes, they can now scope out what goes to T-Luck, and we can very quickly reduce the size of phase two dramatically. I'm trying to think of how I do that by Robert's rules of war. The first of all, Mr. Croney, you can't say one meeting because you don't know that that would be true once you get to T-Lock. That's not something you can do. Although I don't think it should take more than one meeting. That's not in your control. It's not in my control. It's not in anyone's control. Mr. I do hear you. I hear what you're saying. So, but at this point there is a motion on the table. Now what I could do is table the motion on the table until this question is answered. And then come back and pick up this motion. I'm not sure how you would do a friendly that this motion. Okay, let's try to do a friendly and then I'll have a statement. Okay, so I wasn't in my time, just been. I was trying to figure out how to do this. It's on page 14 of the item. I know that the Board of Supervisors clarify that the intent of the March 18th motion. I don't have the no-one creature in front of me establishing a special exception for all data centers in Loutin County following subsequent to March 18th. That the Board's intent was to make that a permanent change. I further move that the Board of Supervisors forward the data center design standards and locations phase two prochescope to the and Landage Committee for Discussion and Revaluation and direct staff to return to a future board business meeting with a revised project plan incorporating the committee's recommended revised scope schedule and cost. The reason that doesn't make sense is because you're in my opinion is you actually send to the Board to clarify something not to do something. Which is- I'm asking for the board to make a motion that it was the board's intent to clarify for staff that it was board's intent that the March 18th motion was a permanent change. So let me say it back to you. You're asking that the motion is that we clarify for staff right now. That we tell staff right now that that was the board said. So take out the work clarify that we say staff right now that that is the board's intent. And then have the rest of motion. I can, that's a better way to, I think, word that because. Yeah, that's fine. Hold on, hold on, it's a friendly. It's not a motion yet. It's a friendly. Which Mr. Crony, that's a friendly. Who made the second that the motion, me? I did. Okay, did you second the motion? Okay. So, that's a friendly, which means that's all that is. So before I do that, let me do my close and then go back to Mr. Crony, because it's just a friendly. If you don't want to vote for the motion, but it's not a motion. It's a friendly, if you, it's a friend, no, you don't split a friendly motion. That's a friendly motion. Yeah. So listen, I think Mr. Latterno's right, I think that when you see, I think it's hard to do things on this day as during business meetings, it's a lot to do, which is why even the other thing was a lot to do. So I think that something going to a committee is fine. It doesn't need to live in the committee. It goes to when it comes back out of the committee. I do think that we can put a lot of a better word. Take some things out, narrow this scope, do a lot of things with it, because of what's already been done. So that's not an issue, that's not an issue to me. I cannot imagine it's going to be in T-Luck for more than one meeting, although that's not part of the motion should never be said. But I don't mind having the discussion in T-Luck if the T-Luck members are committed to pulling this down, narrowing it, taking some things out and getting it back out. That's what's happening. That's not an issue for me. But if anyone wants to start talking about anything else, and you know, then we can't do that. So no one can say worse like Gigabyte because we can't talk about anything else that's in there. So Mr. Crony, you want a closing? Yeah, I think it would be part of our purview, definitely to refine. You know, I'll say refine. I'll try to go through it. Because some things we may not want to remove. Some things we may want to enhance. So I do think it's important to look at it in a committee because we don't, as Chair Randall said, I don't think it makes sense to be doing this right now. And staff can come in with what feedback you've gotten so far because I think we have given you some feedback already about, you know, noise, tonal noise and micro grids and utility substations. So hopefully you'll bring that to the committee so we can be really productive. And if we can, if we can refine, we'll refine for sure. And then it'll come back to the board. So I think this is the best way to move forward with it. Thank you. Okay. Motion was made by Mr. Crony and with a friendly amendment and a second by Mr. Turner. All in favor please wait a minute. You guys good? I think so. No matter what I think this will end up being more complicated than what I think it is right now, but we will bring an item that lays out the direction that's been given and where we think is, should be the bulk of our efforts moving forward and the committee can agree, disagree, delete add things to that package. Okay. Okay. All of you please say aye. Aye. Opposed? That motion would pass 9-0. Not quite sure. We just passed, but hold on. The county attorney believes that based on the last motion that they are 4-4-1, there needs to be another motion made right now. Mr. Kirstner, would you like to make that motion? Thank you. So I move that, make sure I get slang with right. My motion would be to- Point of order. What, you explain why the county attorney is asking for this? I think it could be explained in the motion. It could be explained in the motion. That's what it's a motion. You have to vote for the motion. That's not- That's not- Can I just make the motion? Yes, that's exactly what's about to happen. That's not the appropriate point. Make the motion. Thank you. So I would make a motion to spend enforcement of the violation of law suit enforcement of violations of mountainside overlay district until we have an opportunity to discuss this issue at the rural zone returns to the board in September. I will second that, explain what the motion is Yes. So we have one of the purposes of my motion was because we have one particular applicant who the county attorney will need to They he's been diligently working through the process trying to resolve the violation But they have come to the conclusion that based upon the way the oversight or the mountain overlay district is written, we may not be able to. So they will have to soon file lawsuit against them. Normally those lawsuits are, they wait till the end, but there appears to be no solution. But as long as we are going to discuss this potential solution to these minor fixes in September, the county attorney could hold off on filing lawsuit if we are continuing to make progress. So the purpose of this is just to suspend Mr. Rogers, correct me if I'm wrong. But the idea behind the motion would be to suspend a lawsuit enforcement of violations of mountainside, the mountainside overlay district until we have an opportunity to discuss the zone rule returns to the board in September. That makes sense? Okay, our chair, our, if you like chair has it. So if, in other words, it would, I think the normal process when someone is in violation of a zoning ordinance, they will diligently work with that person and try to bring them to compliance. This person has diligent work to the process. Missing grandfathering has a current structure. And so by suspending it, it will allow more time to work, perhaps work through it, make some fixes if possible. And as well as other applicants who have come as well, they're not as far down the road, but just suspending the lawsuit enforcement of this. That's what we're requesting. Ms. Ricksman? Thank you. So, let me see if I'm clear on this. We're asking the county attorney, if I may ask the county attorney. We're asking the county attorney to suspend enforcement and or a lawsuit based on a zoning violation. Is that what we're doing? Mr. Mr. Mayor. We're asking that to the county attorney. Mr. Rogers, would you like to answer that? Yeah, first let me say that I'm not saying you have to do this. What I'm saying is right now we have a code violation for which there's not a solution under the mountain over the lay district. So I'm supposed to bring a suit for enforcement. And this would delay the filing of that suit until the board can see it. Okay, I guess I got it. I guess I don't understand why this wasn't just a closed session item. And I also... So basically we were trying to change zoning and let this mountain overlay district issue leapfrog everything else for one constituent who was just about to get sued. I guess that was rhetorical. That was rhetorical. And I guess I would advise my colleagues if you have something you need to get done, if you have a motion, maybe call us. If there's a motion that's going to be this complicated and to avoid an issue like this, call your colleagues. Call your colleagues, because this seems like a much simpler solution than leapfrogging the Western loud and C-PAM to help one constituent. Advocating for your constituents is great. We all do it, but I can't even believe the amount of time we just spent on this and we had staff here trying to explain when the simplest thing would have been for our colleague to call us and tell us what's going on. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr. Sains? Yeah, so kind of. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. could have been explained to us offline or yes. Instead of us going back and forth and all this stuff, I'll just simply put it that way. That could have been explained to us offline, or we asked how to quick close session item and whatever have you. So I'll just throw that out there for next time. To possibly think about that, please. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Luterno. All right, so let me go back to, let me understand what the actual motion was. Are we suspending enforcement of the entire ordinance for everyone? Or just for one particular? With regard to the out and over lay district violations, what's come up is there's just no flexibility in the mountain over lay district ordinance. This person isn in violation and the law reads the way it reads. So currently I'd have to file super enforcement. Is there just one individual that's not in violation or there are others out there and there just has to be one that's advanced far enough for zoning enforcement to be bringing action? I'm aware of one. I believe that I'm not sure if it's Dan or Betts, you indicated there might be another. I'm aware of one. We have other conversations with prop owners who are facing similar issues due to the rigidity of it, but they're not enforcement issues right now. Those are more people that would desire to do different things. They have not already have something that's an enforcement issue. Well, if the board had approved the T-Lock discussion, I don't know how that would have really changed anything, because there's still what it had an enforcement issue, and I think the county attorney would have still have to approach suit, right? We just didn't have that context, but if you're in the process of modifying an ordinance, I would not bring this in. We weren't. We were just in the process of sending the item to T-Lock for discussion. I'm not in the process. Well, that's not that. Okay. So yeah, I would sort of say like, I'm not getting into who did what, but like if there's something out there that we need to know is even if it's staff or whoever. All right, so yeah, I would sort of say like, let's, I'm not getting into who did what, but like, if there's something out there that we need to know, is even if it's staff or whoever, then you need to tell us before something like this happens live in a meeting. That's just not, this is not great. Okay, I don't know what else to say. Mr. Turner, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Ms. Amstet. Thank you, Madam Chair. Madam Chair, if I could continue to grill either Dan or the county attorney on this, thank you. And I at least assume that suspending any enforcement of the mountain lay, mountain overlay, part of the ordinance does not essentially violate the intent of the mountain overlay ordinance? I would think if the problem here was somebody can't clear cut the entire side of a mountain, you folks would not be coming to us and suggesting this. So can I assume that we are at least, if we go along with the county attorney suggestion, that we are at least keeping in tack the general desire of the board to protect the mountain sides. So the enforcement issue is existing. It will not get worse by delaying any action. But they cannot attempt to comply unless we do make a change. If the board decides not to make that change, then they will have to tear down a structure. But in your opinion, if we made a change, we would still be honoring the general intent behind this part of the ordinance. If we were to change the ordinance, is that the question? Okay. I am inclined to support this, especially because legal just got involved. But I want to make sure that we're not authorizing just destruction of mountain, mountain sides. And I've got to assume you would not be coming to us with that. If you felt this was going to destroy a mountain side. I've got to assume you believe the action you are either recommending or going along with still preserves the board's basic intent on protecting a sensitive area. Because if you're telling me, we know we're going to let someone clear-cut a mountain side, then I couldn't go along with it. But if you're saying, this isn't going to hurt anything that's important. a technicality that needs to be corrected. Then I can support this. So I will say something I think in Leo can shoot me down if he would like or if he thinks of this makes sense. Maybe if we clarify the language of the motion to not enforce any existing enforcement issues, way we completely avoid the chance that someone goes and does something else bad new after you take action tonight. Might help everyone feel comfortable in narrowing it. But the existing issue will not get worse. It will not deviate from our policy any further than it already is. either get better because they can come into compliance or because ultimately they will have to tear down the structure. Okay, thank you. Mr. Turner. Madam Chair, may I address the county attorney? Yes, you may. Mr. Rogers, so am I correct here that we're asking the Board of Supervisors to wave enforcement of a zoning violation for one individual in Loudon County till some future date? It's at least one. I'm aware of one and right now the law would say he can't do what he has done. I agree with what Director Galindo said that it's not going to get any worse, but we are put in a position where we have to take action if the board does not amend the ordinance or create a process for a modification. Does it not establish a legal precedent? this board took a vote on the day day at a public meeting to absolve one person from his zoning violation? Doesn't that establish a legal of precedent that if anybody in the county has a zoning violation that we're going to prosecute, they have every right to come before this board with precedent. And so I'd like a vote of the board to waive your enforcement of my violation of that zoning ordinance. I don't think so. I think what you have here is the board's going to consider this ordinance during the rural ZOM. If the board's going to make changes or allow for modifications during that process, then that would be the better approach to take. We're looking for compliance. And if that process does get created, then we have that ability. Otherwise, the resort would be to litigation. I'll also say what I told supervisor Kerstner, it's gonna take me two years to get a court date. This motion, which I saw when I came on the day yesterday, doesn't say any of that. It doesn't give me any clue that that was the backstory behind this motion. Now I understand the backstory. I'm frankly appalled that we're even having this conversation. I think it's unprecedented. I think it's wholly inappropriate. And I think I know the specific individual and the specific case that this is being brought about. But to ask this board to vote, to absolve one person from compliance for their zoning laws is I just think completely and utterly inappropriate. So I'll give you a closing. First of all, that motion wasn't this motion was withdrawn. The motion that we actually voted on and voted for for one, no two was the motion to send it to T-Luck. And we sent this to T-Luck. We might have been able to have some clarity and some indifference at this moment. I think people should always make phone calls, always. But truthfully, it's not just one of my colleagues I'm talking, it's not just one of my colleagues who doesn't make phone calls. And that's just the fact. And my only question was, is I know this case. And I know for a fact that when this was being done, there was a lot of interaction with staff. And so I do not know how, or even what the zoning violation is because we all know this person we all know what we've all been there to be quite honest and so I'm a little confused with that violation might have been but if I am appalled it is it is with my colleagues who cannot even extend one moment of this is your your district, Mr. Kirschner, maybe you actually know what's going on, maybe yes, maybe you should have made some phone calls and maybe close it all that, all that. But in the end, there is a reason that we offer one another a little bit of professional courtesy and grace. And please believe I have offered to every single person on this day. As I have offered that, every single person. And that can happen. And there was no reason today not to send this to T-Luck. None at all. It would not have hurt a thing to send this to T-Luck. So maybe all of us can make phone calls more often. Maybe all of us can assume that the other person is taking care of their constituents. Maybe all of us don't have to have every detail before you chastise somebody else. Maybe all of us can work together to let a person help their constituent. Maybe this is not about one case or even one supervisor. Maybe this is about all of us. Mr. Christmas, you like the closing? I would thank you Madam Chair. Again, apologize to my colleagues if my communication wasn't as clear as it could have been. I certainly will take the blame for that. This is not an attempt to protect any particular one person. Overall, I take offense at that Mr. Turner and you should apologize for that quite frankly. But what I would say is there have been ongoing issues because the Mountside overlay district is largely in the western part of the county where applicants have come forward and run into a lot of issues. So that's really what this was an attempt to do. Yes, this one particular case, which I attempted with a second motion to prevent us from having a lot of file. A lawsuit only, not enforcement, because enforcement has gone through the process. And what we do for almost every applicant who finds themselves in violation because they made a mistake or they didn't make a grandfather and cut off or what off, we work with that applicant. this particular applicant has worked very diligently with staff trying to resolve this and we come all of a sudden to a loggerhead where there appears to be no solution. And so the all I was asking as a result of this motion is since we're going to, since it was the will of the board, to address this in September, can we have a motion so that we don't have to file a lawsuit and someone has to answer when we go through that whole process. This is going to take two years anyway because we might be able to come to a solution at that time. And that is always the way we treat every single person if there is a forward looking solution that we can find. And it seems to be that maybe there is a forward looking solution. And so we're just asking that we speed that we vote yes on this motion to just to spend a basically essentially the final of the lawsuit. But enforcement for existing and I would change my motion if that's okay with the second change it for existing violations right now and not ongoing to address misumstead's concerns there. So if we could change the motion to that I would appreciate it. Thank you very. That's a second though that motion, that's fine with me. That change in length. All right. It's a first and second motion. I second the motion. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Some guys as we are adjourned. Well, the one particular ad, there are multiple people. No, no, no, just help her. We want to take a look at this so she knows it.