to the issues of homophobia and transphobia, to provide consultation to the Office of Human Rights on complaints that involve gender identity, gender expression, sexual orientation, and conversion therapy, to encourage and attract NQT and queer businesses to the city of Duluth, to assist those businesses located in the Duluth and to promote economic development, especially job creation in the city, and to provide consultation and support on improving healthcare accessibility, gender affirming care, for the NQT2 spirit LGBT, LGBT, AI community. The regular meetings of the commission are held typically on the first Wednesday of the month at City Hall And with that currently we have four vacancies. Thank you so much miss Kuppers for coming in today to interview with us My name is as re now I serve as an at large city councilor for the city of Duluth I will be going through some kind of pre-written questions set questions that we we have, and then we'll open it up to counselors to ask for further questions. And before we begin, would you just like to introduce yourself, just generically introduce yourself? We're going to get into your kind of your background and your experience later. But yeah, I'll give you the mic. Sure, just, yeah, very briefly. The team coverage, she hear pronouns. I've worked in DEIB related work for two decades now, since I started my career in children's rights, and have served the city before on the Human Rights Commission as chair for a couple of years, and then total of six years stepped down from that recently. So, looking to reengage in city work and that's very brief but that is me and Annette Sheldon. Thank you so much. Why are you interested? Well, let's start with your educational background. Please give a brief outline of your educational lived experience, work experience, how will your background experience and your lived experience be a benefit and potentially your personal strengths that you would bring to the NQT commission. Sure. So human rights has been my focus on university. I studied at UMD over 20 years ago now. You can push the mic forward as well. Yes. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. Can you hear me now? Can you bring it a little closer? Is this good? Yes. Okay. So, yeah, so I'm a graduate of UMD. I studied anthropology and criminology at the school with a focus on cultural anthropology and really like international human rights. I did Europe work there so I took on additional research, worked with professors there and really studied on human rights with the concentration on children. So professionally I actually entered the workforce right away with my dream job, working internationally, started in Ethiopia with a nonprofit there, securing children's rights, particularly children, who were outside of parental care, so working with orphan and vulnerable children specifically. So I did similar work to that for about 10 years, so working to secure the right of kids to be in family care and outside of institutional care and really trying to guarantee safety. So I've been based out of Duluth now for the past 16 or 17 years while I continue to work internationally and travel for that work. And I've been at Marshall School for the past almost 10 years now working with international, and also working to expand its DEIB programming over the last 10 years. So I'm leading that work now with the institution. I co-facilitate our LGBTQ group and have done so for the past five or six years with a faculty member, and have worked with human rights as far as the city goes for six years again with the Human Rights Commission, I really enjoyed that work. I enjoyed just being able to be in community with people who were focused on similar things and similar ideologies and having similar ideologies I should say. As far as educational background specifically, I continue to learn as we all do through literature and lived experience myself as a member of the queer community. So yeah, I'm just always looking to expand my knowledge base about what it means to be human. And yeah, I'm looking to step up in this particular way right now. Thank you, Ms. Kepers, for your, just your brief background and education. And thank you for your service on the Human Rights Commission and your continued service with the city as you're interested in serving on this board. If you could further elaborate on why you're interested in serving on this particular board. Sure. Well, I see that there's a need for positions. And so in looking at my interests and just kind of like my personal lived experience, I also am a person who loves the outdoors. I am a triathlete. I do a lot of training. I spend a lot of time in the outdoors, but I feel like parks and rec is strongly represented by the city and its constituents. But I'm looking to step into a role that is not currently filled. And so I was looking at this commission specifically because of that. I'd seen that, you know, Corm was hard to attain. So trying to look to see what work has been done. It's been limited until now. And so I would like to just really make sure that it's a functioning commission and to just work in partnership with people To strengthen that the end of the LGBTQ plus representation in community. Thank you Yeah, I'm just gonna go through a few logistical questions and then open it up to council colleagues Do you have any personal or financial interest director indirect with the Duluthuth NQT to SLGBIA Commission. Personal interest? Personal, sorry, do you have any personal or financial interest director indirect? Or are you engaged in any capacity where a conflict of interest may arise? No conflicts of interest, just an interest in like serving community. Yeah. Do you foresee any personal scheduling conflicts which may prevent you from attending regular meetings of the commission? No. And are you currently serving on any other boards or commission? Not at this time. Not with the city, sorry. Would you like to expand, if you want to expand? Sure, so right now I also serve on the board of the Mother Puckers hockey group. So I am new to hockey. It's something that I tried out two winters ago for the first time and love it. It's an extremely inclusive community of women and non-binary folks who are, but the focus really is beginners. So that helps me feel comfortable and just it's a great organization to be a part of. That is really strongly representing a sport that has been less than inclusive in the past. Okay, so thank you. And at this time I'll open it up to other counselors. President Tamanik. Thank you. Thank you. And at this time I'll open it up to other counselors. President Monic. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. So did you skate before you joined the mother of puckers? As a child. I knew how to skate, but not in any sort of organized capacity or like competitive capacity. Now I knew how to stay upright and generally not fall while moving forward. I remember that. I've expanded the skill set sense a little bit. So do you know how to skate? This is a question when my son wanted to play senior year. Can you skate backwards? I can, but I wouldn't say competitively now. So you're probably a forward. Yes. But my question is, but thank you. That's so cool to pick up a skill when you're not a teenager. Yes. It's scary, but it was something that I decided to take on as a 40-year-old. Yeah. I'm going to do that as a 40. It'll be great. I love it. Can you tell me what you see as one of the greatest challenges for the committee and how you hope to add something to address that? Gosh, well, with the biggest I think is forum, right? I mean, just membership in general. But besides that, I honestly don't know because I haven't been able to see what work they've been trying to do. My hope is to really start in working with the city directly and see where the strengths are and maybe some of the weaknesses and start to address that and then expand that into you know community building and awareness. Great thanks. Thank you President Semonik. Thank you for your response. Councillor Dervoctor. Thank you Chair Owl and thank you for being here. My question is, my understanding is that there's a disproportionate number of queer and trans youth and folks who are experiencing homelessness or housing discrimination. Do you have any thoughts about, can you offer any thoughts about that, and do you have any ideas of how to combat that? Ideas and how to combat it. We have some really great organizations working toward combating that. And I think a lot of it is, how do we learn to love our neighbors and love our community members as full humans? So I think it's more like the little conversations that you're having all the time to build community and compassion for people's identities and who they are and the strengths that they bring to the table. I don't think that is necessarily something that can be combated by policy. I think that is something that is combated by building community. And so I would say expanding community, not just with those organizations and how we can partner as a city commission to support organizations like Life House and Transnorthland and all those different organizations. But probably trying to find something systematic where we can bring community together to build compassion. Something that we did actually at Marshall, so the spectrum group is what we're called, like spectrum is the LGBTQ plus group on campus. So what we did was we hosted our first Trans Experience Panel on campus to try and build compassion and awareness for folks lived experiences. And so that was a great nine through 12 program that we offered. And so we had four community people, both alum and just community members, just share their experiences with our school to try and just again build empathy and I think that's where a lot of the discrimination Specifically is you know where we can eliminate some of that Thank you. Yeah, thank you councillor derroctor and thank you for your response Just a few more seconds to see if any other councillors have questions Well we wait. I do have a question that I asked all applicants for our boards and commissions and would like to ask you as well. Although you'll find the question maybe fits a little too well with your application to the commission. Can you give us an example of how you have promoted diversity equity inclusion in your past roles? Perhaps if you want to expand on what you've already kind of talked about in your work in human rights or your work at Marshall or a project that you've done that really highlights your work in DEIB. I would say, That's tough. I think DIV has been essential in all of the things that I have done as a professional, whether or not it was part of the organization structure at the time or not. I think it's understanding people's lived experiences is essential to doing good work and having more people at the table with different lived experiences only enhances that work and the outcomes for everybody involved. So I would just say that I don't know that I can necessarily highlight anything in particular. I think it's just been I continue to try and push the needle all the time. Whether it's on an organizational level or an interpersonal level, it's been something that I continue to do. And it's not always easy work because we're not always on the same page and we're not always even moving in the same direction. But I think it's work that requires persistence, a little bit of tough skin and a willingness to proceed regardless. If I needed to speak specifically about something more recently, I have been working to create a new social entrepreneurship justice and law program at Marshall School, which is based in DEIB work and Expanding the scope of that work In building community our obligations to one another and how we show up in the world and how we can create positive change through our lifetime Through building social entrepreneurship More broadly, so that would be a more recent example of some work. Yeah, thank you so much for expanding on that. That sounds like a great class. And excited for your students to have that option available to them. Just one more second to see if there's any other counselors. If not, the last question I have is, is there anything else you would like to add concerning your possible appointment to the Duluth NQT to SLGBIA commission? Not at this time, just a quick time. Thank you so much for coming and interviewing with us and allowing us to get to know you a little bit more and your appointment or your resolution for your appointment will show up in the next console cycle. So the vote will be for that one will be on the 26th or 27th. Okay. Great. Thank you so much. And with that, we conclude the interview and the personnel chair meeting. I am in the council button. I'll turn it off. I think we can go back to the council. I'm showing it that I'm trying to, um, I need to just read you. Raise my hand. Okay. I'm going to make sure that I'm showing it that I'm trying to make sure that I'm not trying to destroy it. I'm going to make sure that I'm showing it that I'm trying to destroy it. I'm going to make sure that I'm showing it that I'm trying to destroy it. Good evening. We'll move right into agenda session. And we will start with Councillor Forzman who is not here this evening. Councillor Randolph will you read in for him? I should can. Thank you, President Monik. Reading in for Councillor Forzman, item 2, resolution 351. A resolution confirming assessment role for sanitary sewer extension for east for street. Any questions on item number two? Seeing none Councillor Derwockter would you read in purchasing and licensing? Sure, thank you, President Tumonic. Number three resolution 404 amending the 2025 fee schedule relating to cannabis license registration fee and cannabis temporary event fee. And then item number four, resolution 410, resolution requesting that the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA, and the Federal Administration preserved the Duluth Minnesota Office of Research and Development and its freshwater mission. And if I may, go ahead. This is a resolution I created, and I just want to explain it a little bit. It is, the EPA building is in my district. And this came about because I was getting a lot of requests and pressure from constituents in my district to bring this forward. And we feel that it's very much a local thing because the EPA, this office of research and development, specifically in Duluth, employs 136 people, plus contract jobs as well. And not only that, it is a very unique research program that there's no other in the United States. So this is a very unique thing for Duluth, something we should be proud of. And it also protects our lake from PFAS chemicals, which are called forever chemicals. And it does amazing research to keep our waters clean not only the lake but the St. Louis estuary. It was very instrumental in the cleanup that has made the St. Louis River a river we can actually swim in if we would like to. So I will stop there. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Drew Wachter, Councillor Aul. Yeah, thank you, President Tumonic. I had just a quick clarification regarding resolution 404. This is the event fee schedule. I just want to clarify that this is for individuals who are wanting to do an event in, they already have different licenses to host. I guess I was just hoping for an expansion and then recognizing that this is not related to the individual code violation fee schedule which we set three years ago or two years ago. I can speak to that. So the change to the fee schedule is related to one registration fees for micro, mezzo, and retailer businesses. The state will be issuing licenses for those types very soon. For the first batch of cannabis licenses and then the temporary event fee, that will be for cannabis events that will be held at Bayfront exclusively at Bayfront on perly ordinance so. Okay and the original the fee schedule that we set for code violations that is still at that 2550 75. Council President Tumonik, Councilor I believe that is correct. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Mayo. Thank you, President Tumonic. On that same agenda item, I noticed that the microbusiness is a zero dollar registration fee. Is that always going to be zero dollars? Presnant, Tomane, Councillor Meil. That will jump to $1,000 at the second renewal. So the state has set up like an initial period that covers the first year and the first renewal. So it's like a two year period. That fee will apply to that period and then once that hits, it will be $1,000 a year going forward. And are these fees in line with a state issued guidance or are other communities doing other things? Council President Thamontic, Councillor Meu. These are banded by the state. Basically, they kind of put a cap on what you can do with them. So okay. Great, thank you. Sure. Thank you, Councillor Mayo. Councillor Awe. Thank you, President Tumannock. Councillor Awe asked my questions. Great. Any other questions on item three and four? If not, Councillor Awe with personal place. Thank you, President Tumannock. Item five, resolution 355, resolution approving proposed amendments to the specifications for the existing civil service classification of sustainability officer. Item six, resolution 395, resolution confirming the appointment of Nicholas Bayouk to the planning commission. And President Tamanik, if I may. Sure. I wanted to ask, this is, I would just curious if the administration could give a little more detail as to how the sustainability officer role is changing since, you know, with that classification. Council President Tamanik, Councillor Aweld, the role really won't be changing that much. It's really, it went through the civil service process and also went through the CDSC, or CDSA process and the grade and classification did change and that was just a result of our internal grading process. But the job itself really won't be changing. The mission will not be changing. So the mission and the job itself will remain the same. And it correct me if I'm wrong, but from the purpose, the statement of purpose and the resolution, it looks like the main change will come down to payroll. Correct. The pay, there would be a pay increase for this position. Not a pay increase. Just the pay, okay. The specification on where that payroll is. Yes. Okay. You're correct. Is there any updates on the sustainability officer position? It's currently being filled by an interim position. Sorry, I was not clear with my questioning and I apologize, I'm a little stuffed right now from my allergies, so my brain is going off over the place. The question was really grateful that there's an interim and really grateful that that role is right now. What is the long-term vision of filling going from interim? Are we going to be posting that position or how long is that in-term position going to last when are we moving to having a formalized sustainability officer? Great question. The next step following approval assuming approval on Monday the next step will be posting of the position And then a hiring process. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Awek. Thank you, President Tumanik on that same item about the sustainability officer I noticed in the position description it removed some of the components related to advising departments and maybe elected officials, I think, once you get into the essential duties and responsibilities section has them crossed out is that Can you kind of explain the reasoning behind shifting some of that? Because I know there are some other things that We're added like coaching staff on the direction. So is it just semantics at this point or Is that positions going to be say more internally focused than where it previously was? Really really was an effort, we found that there was some redundancy. It was an effort really to consolidate the position and it was a very long, it still is a very long job description. It was an effort to really make it more, try to make it more concise. Really the job, we don't envision it changing much at all. The mission is the same, the job is the same. It will interact with staff, with council, with the public in very much the same way. That's the way it's envisioned. Don't envision that changing. Don't intend that to change. And so it's just really a little bit of word smithing and you know trying to you know make it less redundant I guess but we don't envision it changing in any really material way. Okay and the pay change was not related to the position description change per se it was just once it was re-graded pretty much as is. There was a feeling that it was, that it was, that this is a more appropriate pay grade based upon the job duties, and that was a result of an objective review by multiple parties, the civil service board, and approved by the CDSA through their processes. Great, thanks. Thank you, Councillor Mayelle. Any other questions on items five and six? Seeing none, Councillor Mayelle, public works, please. Thank you, President Tamanik. Item seven, Resolution 400, accepting permanent easement for street and utility purposes from the regions of the University of Minnesota, over under and across certain rail property in the Chester Park UMD neighborhood at no cost of the city. Item 8, Resolution 401, is accepting permanent East Memphis for utility and drainage purposes from the Regents of the University of Minnesota, over under and across certain rail property in the Chester Park UMD neighborhood at no cost of the city. Item 9, Resolution 403, authorizing the sole source purchase of a natural gas regulator station heater from Nelson technologies for a total amount not to exceed $339,000, $366.55. Item 10 Resolution 406 is awarding a contract to Mincom Utility Construction for the Lead Service Line Replacement London Road Project for a total amount not to exceed $1,165,250.50 cents. And item 11, Resolution 408, approving settlement in the matter of Andrew, Habhurger, Heger, and Kelsey Habhur versus City of Duluth in the amount of $33,000 pursuing to the terms of the settlement agreement. And if I may, please. President Smondick. This is a more technical question for Attorney Lair. I don't know would you prefer if I'm going to abstain from the regions of the university? Resolutions should I pull those? Okay. So if we can just pull item seven and eight from consent, please. All right, any other questions on items? Let me see where we are. On items 7 through 11. Seeing none. Councillor Swenson. Councillor O. Will you read in for Councillor Swenson? Recreational libraries and authorities. 12, 3, 9, 9 resolution authorizing an amendment to the agreement. L3. Recreational Library of St. authorities. Thank you, Mr. Dye. I have 12. Resolution. 399 resolution authorizing an amendment to the agreement. L30985 with eight plus contractors for additional construction services at Spare Mountain Snowball Bill Trail Project to increase the amount by, no bear with me. 224,000, $224,000, $421,000, $228,000 for a new total not to exceed, not to exceed $422,000, $1,946.28. Item 13 Resolution 402 Resolution Authorizing. An agreement with George Buuyles and Sons for a demolition of the Norton Park Community Center in an amount not to exceed $78,950. Item 14 Resolution 405 Resolution Authorizing a three year agreement with Campbell productions for the operation and management of the Park Point Beach House. And if I may, Councillor Coohanic. Or President Tamanic. I see Director Phil Vue Williams is in the, the Chamber's today I was wondering if he wanted to just speak towards this noble bill project at Spirit Mountain. I'm just noticing that that was quite the drastic shift for it, it was almost like a quarter, $200,000, $250,000 increase to the budget. So just curious on that funding. President Tamanik, Councillor Al, thank you for the question. The, this is a project whose costs were driven up by two factors. One, the pandemic period spike in construction costs and two, two federally declared disasters that occurred during construction. The additional work that is going to be done is not an expansion of the scope. It is the additional costs to to complete project inclusive of repairing the storm damage and covering those additive costs. The, it's entirely covered by federal money from FEMA, state money from the Legacy Parks and Trails Amendment. We are in good company with regard to the cost overruns on this. All of the recipients of legacy grants who submitted project budgets before the pandemic and went to construction after the pandemic experienced enormous cost overruns. And so our state partners in their generosity and wisdom offered to provide additional funds to all of the recipients to cover those extraordinary cost increases. Okay, thank you for that detail explanation. And just one last question regarding item 14. I'm just curious if you can give, I'm not remembering if three years ago we had the same resolution come forward about the management and operation. Is it normal for the beach house to be, have be externally managed and not by our parks? And was there an RFP process and has Campbell productions done work with the beach house before? President, I'm going to Councillor El, thank you for the question. Until 2020, the beach house was managed by the Duluth YMCA along with their provision of lifeguarding services at the same site. At the end of 2020, they indicated that they wish to continue providing the lifeguard service, but to no longer provide the facility management function. And so, CitySaf took that over and did an outstanding job of promoting it and dramatically increasing the usage so much so that the volume of events, many of them on nights and weekends, has now exceeded what limited city staff can support. So we are now, we did put it out for RFP, and we did notify our partners at the Y in person last fall to make sure that if there was any chance that they might wish to submit that they would have ample opportunity. This is the only proposal that we received. Mr. Campbell is more familiar to you in his longstanding role promoting and managing big events at Bayfront such, such as tribute fest. So the in comparison, the events that he will, for which he'll be responsible at the beach house will be comparatively small and comparatively simple. And we are confident that he will serve well. Do you have an additional question? Go ahead. Thank you, President Tumonic. Thank you for that response. My additional question is does Mr. Campbell have an existing contract with the Bayfront with the city? I'm not recalling that and I'm not seeing a dollar amount for this contract on the resolution and I was just curious what that dollar amount for the contract is. President Tumonic, Councillor Elk, thank you for the question. There should be financial information there, and I apologize for the oversight, I will correct that. The Mr. Campbell's involvement at Bayfront is not through transactions directly with the city. As one of many events promoters, he would enter into contracts with today the deck to hold events there. And so he's a familiar presence, but not someone with whom we have directly contracted in the past. And as to the financial arrangements arrangements the financial arrangement is that he retains his firm will retain 80% of the revenues from events rental the city will receive 20% of the gross revenues from event rental and that arrangement is expected to produce the same net revenue to the city as the predecessor arranged. that arrangement is expected to produce the same net revenue to the city as the predecessor arrangement produced. And so previously we kept all the revenue but we also staffed it. And so now we're zeroing out our expenses, retaining 20% of the revenue and it has the identical net financial impact on us. And those dollars are assigned to a restricted fund for reinvestment in that facility. Okay. Thank you for the explanation. I guess that does bring a little bit of a concern because I know that even counselors on this dios has held weddings at Park Point Beach, the Beach House and I know it's a popular location for big scale events like that. I I was just curious with the funding from the weddings and large scale events then the breakdown would still be 80-20? 80% 20%. Correct. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor, yes. It's showing up. Oh, it is? Yes. Councillor Durabuck has broken it. I thought, I apologize. I do have a question about item 10. Because I thought my button was broken. I noticed that for the contract to mincom utility construction, this is an entity located in And I'm just curious why we are using an out of town construction service for this project. A contract of this size needs to be competitively bid and this was I suspect a little bit on the project and so oftentimes on projects of this size we'll get contract bids from all over the state and this one happened to be from you know not too far away but from you know outside the region. And if, my understanding, if you could just clarify is that when you do an RFP, the lowest bid hat, you have to take the lowest bid, is that correct? And perhaps attorney Lair could expand upon this. I'm a little rusty, but there are exceptions, but generally yes, we do take the lowest bid, unless are you know certain exceptions to that role. Okay, thank you. Thank you Councillor Duro Acquire. Councillor Mayo. Thank you President Sponake. And I think to Councillor Duro Acquire's question to the tabulation of Bids is one of the attachments on that. And it looks like they had one other bid from North Island constructors in Duluth that was like 420,000 I believe more but those are both on agenda item two and I had a question about the Park Point Beach House item as well. So I know part of the agreement in the past had been that the public bathroom access would be maintained at the beach house Throughout the day even when there are events I had my wedding at Parkpoint Beach House, and that was one of the considerations of just know that that's public access I didn't see anything in the Contract about that specifically, but is that a city policy that will be maintained throughout the duration of this contract? President Tamanik Councillor Mayo, I don't know the answer to that question, I will get you a response forth with. All right, thanks. And then just with the YMCA agreement, I was just kind of curious on the history of this, have we ever put it out to RFP before? So when the YMCA had this arrangement with the city previously, was that put out to RFP? Or is this the very first time we've done this type of process? President, to my own account, Councillor Mayo, this is the first time we put it out to RFP. The former arrangement was very odd in that we were engaging them to provide lifeguard services without compensating them for the costs that deliver those services, but giving them the privilege and responsibility of managing the facility and retaining the event revenues so as through that indirect mechanism to cover their lifeguarding costs. And it was not a greater arrangement. Interesting. Well, thank you for the clarification and I'm glad to see that we have a new arrangement moving forward. Thanks. Thank you, Councilor Mayo. Councilor Drew Wachter. Thank you. President Tamanik. I do have a question about number 12. The one about spirit mountain, I'm getting some mixed information on the internet is A-plus contractors and entity and Duluth. It seems like there's also one in Kentucky. President Tumonick, Drew Wocker, this is a small locally based firm. I think it's just two people and they've done a great deal of work for the city over the last decade and served us really well. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Councillor Drew Wocker. Any other questions? On 12-14? Seeing none. Are you done? Thank you. Seeing none, we'll move on to ordinances to be read for the second time. Councillor Randolph, we will read in for Councillor Neffu. Sure, Ken. Thank you, President Simonec, reading in for Councillor Neffu. Item 15, ordinance 8. Amendment, the official zoning map of the city of Duluth. Reclassify the partial described as 0104680, 01265 from residential. Traditional R1 to residential plan Rp. Any questions on that ordinance? I do have one. I do have one. Oh, you do. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you so much, President Monic. When Mr. Staling, when we, when the Planning Commission reviewed this application, one of the items that we look at is will it create material of adverse effects? What, how do we gauge that? Like, what is the measurement tool for that? Before we continue, is that a question that we want to wait until we have the hearing on this? No, this is just a general question on the item. Got it. That's a great question. Council President Tumanik, Councillor Randolph, material, adverse effect. I think that's a term of art. And so I'm going to defer to my professional colleagues on the planning side and get some specific information to you on what exactly that is and what the threshold is for that. I'm not a cook tonight to give you a good answer on that. That would be wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Staling. Thank you, Councillor Aul. Thank you, President Semonik. I apologize for my absence on the last Monday council cycle. And I'm still following up with that council meeting, re-watching that to kind of get that full scope of that discussion regarding this topic from then and what the constituents had said. I guess one of the things that I had highlighted that I was kind of wanting to get some clarification is, does the, my question is it's one with zoning changes like this I ask prior to with spot zoning, which I understand is like when a small parcel is re-zoned, that is different from the surrounding structures, and it's more so benefiting the developer and not so the community or is not in line with what we have in UDC. And I again apologize if this was already covered at the last council cycle, but yeah, just wondering, because my understanding is Minnesota State Statute does not allow for spot zoning. And how would this not be in that realm where it's not a spot zoning situation? Again, Council President Tamanik, Council A. I appreciate the question. I'm very sorry. I will pass this question along to our planning professionals and get an answer back to you before Monday. Okay. Thank you so much, Administrator Staling. I guess I thought maybe that was more of a legal question for the attorney's office, but okay, if it's planning, thank you. Thank you, Councillor, Councillor. Thank you, President Simone. I guess just on that same note under the qualifications for how we determine whether or not to approve the application, there's another kind of generalized term of this like public necessity and good zoning practice, if planning can kind of articulate maybe more so what that would mean in terms of good zoning practice because I think that's maybe one that's a little bit of a as you interpret it kind of a thing, that would be helpful. Council President, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to make sure I get it right, if you could articulate your question in an email to me, I will make sure I get that to our planning professionals just so I make make sure nothing gets lost in translation. I would appreciate that very much. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Steeling. Any other questions on item number 15? Seeing none, we're moving on to public works. Constra mayo, would you read in that? Those ordinances? Yes, President Suman. That's my mic. There we go. Item 16, ordinance five is authorizing an electric line easement to Minnesota Power, a division of elite incorporated upon over under and across real property in the Kenwood neighborhood phenomenal consideration. Item 17, Ordinance 6 is authorizing an electric line easement to Minnesota Power, a division of elite incorporated upon over under and across real property in the Kenwood neighborhood phenomenal consideration and item 18 in resolution or ordinance 7. Authorizing an electric line easement to Minnesota Power, a division of elite incorporated upon over under and across real property in the Duluth Heights neighborhood for nominal consideration. Thank you, Councillor Mayo. Any questions on item 16 to 18? Seeing none, Councillor send the other questions or comments? Thank you so much, President Smondig. I just want to thank Mr. Staling. The cover memos are very nice as a summary for these items. Thank you for that addition and a best practice. and now they'll continue to improve but I think thank you for that feedback. A great councilor walker. Thank you president to monic. I just want to echo that. Thank you so much for the cover memo. It makes everything much more streamlined and clear. And also I do want to add that it has come to my attention that people may want item number four pulled so we can have discussion about it. If that would be okay. Thank you. All right, so noted Councillor, I will thank you, President Tumonicik. The question has escaped from me. So let us know if that comes up before tonight. Otherwise, we will bring it up on Monday. Seeing no other questions or comments, we are done for this evening. We will see you on Monday.